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0:00we both seem to be from below the Mason
0:01and Dixon line where are you from I come
0:04from Kentucky and I can honestly say one
0:07of my best friends was a colge girl and
0:10as children have no Prejudice we became
0:12very close friends interracial
0:15commissions were set up in the South
0:17these commissions were composed of
0:19responsible white and negro leaders in
0:22South and they were doing a pretty good
0:25job when there was friction between the
0:28two groups they sought to find a
0:32solution they sought to find a
0:34solution and as a result of it much of
0:37the progress that has been made in
0:40establishing good relations in the South
0:43can be laid at the door of the
0:45iterracial commission that functioned in
0:48the South and enjoyed considerable
0:50respect and Prestige I would not let
0:53that determine whether I become friend
0:55to them by the color I have found
0:58several color people that I have enjoyed
1:01their friendship the South built many
1:04new schools many of them far
1:09superior to those that were attended by
1:13white children do the best that you can
1:16with your life you are unique you have a
1:18contribution to make you have something
1:20to offer schools have a heavy
1:22reinforcement into our characters
1:24because they were black schools schools
1:26were not integrated at that time now the
1:28NAACP is gotten a token number of
1:31negroes integrated the
1:33schools they consider that a great
1:36Victory but I say it's a peric victory
1:40what is significant that this whole
1:41integration campaign coincided with uh
1:45Russia's steep up campaign in Africa and
1:48Asia the racist were getting along too
1:51well in beginning to solve their
1:52problems negro were getting jobs that
1:55never held before things were getting
1:57along pretty spoy now everything
1:59everything is just Topsy turby
2:02now the red started all of this
2:04integration stuff because they wanted
2:08the Negro to unite with the white
2:10Communists that was their objective not
2:12with the other white people but with the
2:14white
2:15communist and as a result they have
2:18destroyed all Pride amongst
2:25them I've always asked has integration
2:27helped to harm the black community
2:31knocked the black folks brains out black
2:34folk had up 100 times more before social
2:36integration
2:38hit we were looking for this social
2:40integration you know why because we had
2:43our own businesses
2:48there our own cab companies we had our
2:51own restaurants we had our own hotels we
2:53had our own school systems my family was
2:55part of one had the only black bus line
2:58in the entire United States and I say we
3:00had a bus line I'm not talking about two
3:01or three buses we had over 500 buses wow
3:06in Winston s North Carolina we had that
3:09from 1927 up to about
3:121967 we own the buses mhm we own the
3:15resource all of our mechanics was blacks
3:17all of our drivers were blacks
3:19electrician was black everything was
3:21black we don't killed our buses right
3:24social integration when all of a sudden
3:27y all start talking about Rosa Parks and
3:28Martin Luther King going down Alabama
3:30want to integrate the bus lines
3:32integrate whose bus lines I have always
3:35ridden in the back of the bus because I
3:37didn't have guts to get in the front of
3:38the bus but now the time had come I was
3:42riding in the front of the bus like once
3:44s says we want to ride on front of some
3:46white buses so we said we don't have any
3:49white buses they said well we'll get
3:50some so we can ride on the front of them
3:53I feel like a complete [ __ ] cuz I
3:54never thought about that like that whole
3:56time they did the boycott they should
3:58have been trying to establish their own
4:00bus company as opposed to wanting to
4:02ride I never thought about that that
4:03y'all boycott for a year just to want to
4:05ride on the front see you're a smart man
4:07I never talk about that they don't want
4:09any more negro business and that negro
4:12business which exists they say that that
4:14should be integrated they do not want to
4:17build anything and they have nothing to
4:20offer to any other group but they want
4:23to force themselves everywhere and as a
4:26result they create friction our new
4:30generation was no longer willing to go
4:32slow as our parents were we turned our
4:35backs on legalism it was too slow we
4:38prefer to use with new energy the
4:40classic tools of more active riding and
4:43sitting in for freedom for first class
4:46citizenship we made sure our Voice Was
4:49Heard Dr JH Jackson has warned
4:52constantly that Communists are directing
4:54the Revolutionary activities of the
4:56radical black power element America he
4:59says he represents the Negro he does not
5:01represent anybody but himself he is
5:03looking for security that's what our
5:04elders are looking for but we do not
5:07want security many of the students work
5:09with Dr Martin Luther King's Southern
5:12Christian leadership conference we have
5:14utterly pushed to sign the old
5:18stated adult negro leadership in the
5:22South and we have organized ourselves
5:26into student groups into student protest
5:28nonviolent protest group and we have
5:31seen real change in the South within the
5:34last past year and a half it was sort of
5:36something that you were caught up in a
5:39storm you know you walked out one day
5:42and the wind was blowing and the rain
5:44was coming down and everybody around you
5:47was talking about the movement and
5:50whether you wanted to or not you had to
5:52pay attention to it and I did I didn't
5:54understand a lot of the whole economic
5:57issues and there was a lot lot of
6:00naivity in it but it was also a
6:02wonderful dream integration was never an
6:05issue for me or for many others but it
6:09was the issue that I think separated me
6:12from the Civil Rights Movement what a
6:13lot of people fa to understand about Jim
6:15Crow is that what Jim Crow was was stat
6:20mandated segregation in other words the
6:23state trying to play a role in
6:27determining where blacks can go and
6:29where rights can go I think that Force
6:31racial segregation is
6:32Criminal and unconstitutional and I
6:35think Force racial integration is
6:37Criminal and unconstitutional I think
6:39either one of them is cruel many people
6:42both black and white understood just as
6:44Governor Maddox did that it is not only
6:47volatile but actually unconstitutional
6:49for the government to force segregation
6:53and by the same token for the government
6:54to force integration any effort to force
6:57integration upon whites is actually
7:00hypocritical if a white man puts his arm
7:02around me voluntarily that's Brotherhood
7:06but if you hold a gun on him and make
7:07him embrace me and pretend to be
7:10friendly or brotherly toward me then
7:12that's not Brotherhood that's hypocrisy
7:14and what America is trying to do is pass
7:17laws to force whites to pretend that
7:20they want Negroes into their schools or
7:22in their places of employment well this
7:25is hypocrisy and this makes a worse
7:27relationship between black and white
7:30rather than if if this could be brought
7:32about on a voluntary basis the NAACP
7:34Martin Luther King and the Johnson
7:37Administration collaborated together to
7:39pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which
7:42in their mind would go ahead and force
7:45integration
7:47anyway the journalists in the 60s were
7:50themselves advocates for social justice
7:53and so naturally they did everything
7:56they can to emphasize and highlight
7:58so-called leaders of the Civil Rights
8:00Movement segregation to the average
8:02negro means being held
8:04back he's looking for Progress he wants
8:07to move forward in the American
8:09mainstream segregation holds him back
8:12what they didn't tell you is that there
8:13was a vast disconnect between the NAACP
8:16and ordinary workingclass black men on
8:19the question of integration up to this
8:21present time it hasn't affected me at
8:25all as far as
8:27uh my work and my social activities up
8:32until this present time I can say it
8:34hasn't affected me these are strong
8:36willed proud men who didn't see their
8:38dignity tied up in what white people
8:40thought about them or whether or not
8:42white people accepted them King was able
8:45to do what salinsky later writes about
8:48in his book Rules for Radicals where he
8:50says the Revolutionary organizer must
8:53create disenchantment and discontent
8:56King was obviously able to do that
8:57rhetorically with his to America speech
9:00where he painted his picture of Black
9:01America which was completely different
9:03than the actual lived experiences that
9:06most black people had at the time there
9:08are
9:09literally two
9:11Americans an American Negro walk the
9:15streets daily in search for jobs that do
9:18not exist and they find themselves
9:22perishing on a lonely island of poverty
9:25in the midst of a vast ocean of material
9:29Prosperity this new depiction in a sense
9:32subjected black people to what white
9:35people were willing to do for them how
9:37white people were willing to vote what
9:39the government was willing to do in the
9:41eyes of the larger society it made black
9:43people look desperate it may people feel
9:45that black people's dignity really is
9:47tied up in what white people do this all
9:50played a part in emotionalizing people
9:52to join the ranks of the Civil Rights
9:55Movement some of the Liberals and the
9:57Communists and all of that ilk along
10:00with NAACP leaders have been demanding
10:03more and more Federal power they want to
10:06take away all power from the
10:09states and when this sort of thing
10:12happens then we're on the road to
10:15dictatorship and once you have given the
10:18federal government that power it can be
10:21used against you depends upon who seizes
10:24control of the federal government I
10:27might say Bill this is my Chief
10:30worry that we have put so much power in
10:33the office of the presidency that
10:35someday the wrong man could come along
10:39I'm beginning a new effort to fix as
10:41much of our immigration system as I can
10:43on my own without Congress and I
10:46wouldn't be so concerned about whether
10:48he could use these powers to perpetuate
10:51himself in office but how he would use
10:53these powers to destroy people that
10:56disagreed with him if you have a problem
10:58figuring out whether you're for Trump
11:00and you ain't black to uh pile up uh
11:04voters where voters don't usually pile
11:06up Senator Bernie Sanders said he
11:08supported voting rights for felons in
11:11prison including the worst of the worst
11:13I think
11:14Johnson is fully aware of the powers
11:17that he has and he certainly has used
11:20them and will use them we should be
11:22constantly encouraging the Congress to
11:24go slow take it easy study research uh
11:28we should be investing private funds of
11:31Foundations which are being wasted in my
11:33opinion too much on things that are not
11:36strictly
11:42American American history is so complex
11:46even how we understand our history is
11:49complex protesters were out today
11:51pushing for the removal of a statue at
11:53Columbus Park this symbol must come down
11:56when conservatives are trying to Stave
11:59off the
12:00left as they come for George Washington
12:03and Thomas
12:05Jefferson their sort of Defense would be
12:08well at that time period everybody owned
12:11slaves and we're the first country to
12:13abolish slavery and you know these types
12:15of things the American Revolution caused
12:17people to question slavery that birth
12:19abolition movements I was very offended
12:22for him to say that nobody criticized
12:24slavery until the the slaveholding
12:28America without fathers decided to raise
12:29it disqualifies 200 when progressives
12:33raise the slaveholding legacy of our
12:36founding fathers to conservatives the
12:39conservative response is generally these
12:41are men of their times and they have to
12:42be understood as such time that black
12:45but some of the same conservatives will
12:46turn around and indict King and say his
12:49views are so incompatible with the
12:51American founding and our principles
12:54that we should reconsider the extent to
12:56which we lionize him the whole reason
12:58that we even lionize or popularize
13:01someone like a Martin Luther King who by
13:02the way was an allout Marxist who didn't
13:05believe in God he said so in his own
13:07papers that he did not believe in the
13:09resurrection of the Christ it's very
13:11strange for someone who professes to be
13:13a Christian Pastor he didn't write any
13:15of his speeches his dissertation was
13:17plagiarized those in his inner circle
13:19his speech writers were themselves
13:21Communists dley Levon was a treasurer
13:23for a Communist front group in New York
13:25byard Rustin was a communist he's the
13:27one who taught Marley the king the
13:29strategy of nonviolence he was a
13:34[Music]
13:37concoction to me it's logically
13:39inconsistent to say that the slave
13:41master should be given due deference and
13:44have his positions analyzed with a sense
13:46of nuance but thei is once and for all
13:51and forever will be outside of the
13:53bounds of any type of respect and honor
13:56in terms of of our political history I
13:59can certainly more so understand why a
14:02Southern Baptist preacher who is maybe
14:05two generations removed from slavery
14:07would be in favor of Marxism than I can
14:11the co-founders of BLM in 2016 I'm not
14:14saying I agree with King's economic
14:16philosophy but I understand why he would
14:17have it well touche but the reality is
14:22that Martin Luther King and the Civil
14:24Rights Movement served in America as a
14:27kind of marxist trojan horse from the
14:30outside it appeared to be moderate and
14:33pro-american this is a gift we should
14:36take it to the Temple of and it's for
14:38this reason that America accepted it but
14:41when you look at the results that
14:43followed which were intentional an
14:45expanded government various socialist
14:48policies a heightened welfare state the
14:50facts reveal that this wasn't ignorance
14:52but malice they quite literally wanted
14:54to
14:57sovietized apeer said that the American
15:01political landscape is the perfect one
15:04for communism because Americans believe
15:06that they live in a democracy communist
15:09philosophy or socialism easily and has
15:11to adapt to the country uh in which it's
15:15taking place in this country there will
15:16never be
15:18socialism unless the overwhelming
15:20majority of the American people
15:22passionately want it and want it so
15:24badly that they're going to go out and
15:25get it it's one of the things that gets
15:27me so excited when I start thinking
15:28about the possibilities of socialism in
15:30this country the civil rights movement
15:33has already begun to develop certain
15:35program it is revolutionary and it is
15:38also I think much more democratic so you
15:40can democratize social issues and you
15:43can in a sense pull out the heartstrings
15:45of America they will then let their
15:47guard down and they will democratize
15:49socialism into reality and so I don't
15:51see Marthur King fighting against that I
15:52see Marther King as a participant in
15:54that which is a subversive thing it
15:57seems to me that the Civil Right
15:58movement must now begin to
16:02organize
16:03for the guaranteed annual income begin
16:07to organize the question arises well
16:09what other options did he have well for
16:12me I think one of the reasons why
16:13there's such a mental block for people
16:15is because we've all went to the same
16:17schools we all graduated from the same
16:19schools we all read the same textbooks
16:22you know we all understand how MLK was
16:25this good moral leader who came to inoc
16:27sense construct the way things were and
16:30there was no one else no one else knew
16:32how to do it but Martin Luther King
16:33here's a guy who got it and he was a
16:35Christian pastor and he was all these
16:36things much of what we have learned
16:38about him turned out to be either false
16:40or inaccurate or you know a myth or what
16:43have
16:46you Dr JH Jackson head of the largest
16:50negro Church organization in America the
16:53National Baptist convention USA with
16:55nearly 7 million members has worned
16:58constantly that Communists are directing
17:00the Revolutionary activities of the
17:02radical black power El there were other
17:04people like Joseph H Jackson who
17:07believed in the fundamental Christian
17:09Gospel not the Social Gospel not
17:12Liberation theology the fundamental
17:14Christian Gospel the inherency of the
17:16scriptures the resurrection of Christ
17:19like he believed in those things
17:20fundamentally what is uh your feelings
17:24toward the New Black theology those of
17:26us who are Christians we don't believe
17:29that uh you can have a theory of God
17:33based on color I don't believe when you
17:35look at his engagement and civil rights
17:37it wasn't this same brand of civil
17:40rights that MLK was pushing in that we
17:42vest certain unconstitutional powers in
17:46the federal government which widens that
17:48power and in a sense usurps our rights
17:52as As Americans because you know to Bob
17:53Woodson's point we shouldn't have given
17:55the federal government the right to
17:57force businesses to integrate rather we
17:59should have merely taken away the
18:02state's right to segregate integration
18:04was never our goal we never saw
18:07integration as a solution to the
18:09problems we were seeking
18:11desegregation and I think confusion on
18:13that point has continued to erode the
18:17self the collective self-confidence of
18:19the black community today so integration
18:21was never uh uh a a an issue for me or
18:26for many others but was the issue that I
18:30think uh separated me from the Civil
18:32Rights Movement both the problem and MLK
18:35solution are unconstitutional says Bob
18:37Woodson says Barry Goldwater and many
18:40others even Malcolm X ironically any
18:43effort to force integration upon whites
18:46is actually uh hypocritical it is a form
18:49of hypocrisy involved if a white man
18:52puts his arm around me voluntarily
18:54that's Brotherhood but if uh you if you
18:57hold a gun on him and make him embrace
18:59me and pretend to be friendly or
19:02brotherly toward me then that's not
19:04Brotherhood that's hypocrisy when I look
19:06at someone like a Joseph H Jackson he
19:08argued that to the extent that the white
19:11man doesn't give you a job it's
19:12incumbent upon you to build your own
19:14businesses and to hire your brother and
19:16your sister and your neighbor that you
19:18aren't begging someone else for a job
19:20and so he didn't only talk about this
19:22but he exemplified this there were a
19:25bunch of sharecroppers in the South who
19:26were getting cheated by Farmers Jackson
19:29was a president of the National Baptist
19:31convention the convention bought 400
19:33Acres of Farmland in the South and they
19:37allowed these black sharecroppers to
19:38work the land for free and to the extent
19:41that they raised money for their crops
19:43they got to keep in Pocket that money so
19:46long as they were saving that money to
19:47buy their own Farmland so they can move
19:49from sharecroppers to Farmers and not
19:51have to depend on anybody else for their
19:53daily bread the convention under the
19:55behest of Jackson did many of these
19:57things now the reason why I bring up
20:00Jackson in comparison to Martin Luther
20:03King is because as you know Ebenezer
20:04Baptist Church was under the umbrella of
20:07the National Baptist convention Martin
20:08Luther King fresh out of Crower very
20:10young very ambitious he wanted to be the
20:13president of the National Baptist
20:15convention he was overwhelmingly
20:17rejected and it got pretty contentious
20:19someone was pushed off a stage and died
20:21someone from Martin Luther King's little
20:23ilk pushed this young man off the stage
20:25and he died so it got pretty contentious
20:27and they ended up kicking Martin Luther
20:28King and his friends out of the National
20:31Baptist convention this was before his
20:33face was plastered on Time Magazine and
20:35and and all the rest of it so what they
20:37decided to do at the suggestion of
20:40Stanley leveson was start a new Baptist
20:44convention which would rival the
20:45National Baptist convention so they
20:46started the Progressive National Baptist
20:49convention uh of course it didn't take
20:51off it didn't do anything so they
20:52started this Southern leadership
20:54conference and then they moved from
20:56there to the southern Christian
20:56leadership conference so the southern
20:58Christian leadership conference and its
21:01concoction was the result of the fact
21:04that Martin Luther King in his campaign
21:06was not popular to these Negroes in the
21:08South as much as Joseph H Jackson who
21:11was a continuation of the kinds of
21:13things that Booker T Washington talked
21:14about Martin Luther King wanted to move
21:16the National Baptist convention into a
21:19new more radical if I can use that word
21:22Social Gospel and to get away from the
21:24kind of fundamental gospel that Joseph H
21:26Jackson and his ilk was preaching
21:28he faed to do so started the southern
21:30Christian leadership conference the
21:32advantage that Martin Luther King and
21:33his ilk had that Joseph hson did not
21:35have is that once the success of the
21:39Montgomery Bus Boycott took off and and
21:41all the things the media basically
21:44swarmed around Martin Luther King they
21:46made him larger than than life Stanley
21:48Levon who was a phenomenal publicist
21:51he's the one who lined up the interviews
21:53who was able to mobilize the media to
21:56put cameras in front of the Silver
21:57Rights movie movement under the beaz
21:58Marther King and the rest is history and
22:01so Joseph H Jackson was all but erased
22:04from these kinds of conversations that
22:06we talk about it always comes down to
22:07Malcolm X and Martin Luther King yeah
22:10the founding fathers were trying to
22:12wrestle away their right to Independence
22:15not by way of deception but by way of
22:17laying it all out on the table they
22:19issued a declaration of independence
22:21said this is what we do not like about
22:23our leadership about our government and
22:26we are going to go to war to fight for
22:28our freedom Martin Luther King and his
22:31elk didn't so much issue a similar kind
22:34of Declaration of Independence a lot of
22:36the things that he did for which he is
22:38lionized if it's true that those things
22:40were done as a subversive tactic is it
22:42then fair to compare him to someone like
22:44the Founding Fathers as is always the
22:46case when whenever I see something that
22:49you produce I'm learning a lot uh I
22:52wasn't um particularly familiar with
22:55Joseph H Jackson so that'll give me some
22:57homework to do I I think the comparison
23:00to the founding fathers is is fair in
23:03that in life a man's Creeds often at
23:07various points in his life will not
23:09match his
23:10deeds and and yes did the founding
23:13father struggle with slavery sure to
23:17some extent but I'm not a person that
23:20says oh we need a new founding we need
23:23new National symbols because I I I
23:26understand that people are flawed
23:29and I'm not arrogant enough to think
23:32that because those men had their moral
23:37inconsistencies that we in our
23:39generation don't have our own I do not
23:41agree with lionizing or deifying any
23:44person but I think we should deal with
23:46everyone's Legacy openly honestly and
23:52consistently and that that that is where
23:55I tend to come down on these things
23:57would a different set of leaders during
24:01that that era have produced different
24:03results quite
24:05possibly yeah it's quite possible and I
24:08I do share your sentiment in terms of
24:11the difference between integration and
24:14desegregation but I also know I have the
24:17luxury of having that opinion having
24:19never grown up in a segregated quote
24:21unquote school now to be fair and I know
24:25you you're historian so you know these
24:27things there are multiple examples
24:29across history even recent history of
24:33despised minority groups flourishing
24:36economically in certain countries but
24:39again when you are a small minority in a
24:42country that is openly hostile to you
24:44even if you dominate part of the economy
24:48sometimes that can make the majority
24:51even more hostile so there's a there's a
24:54sense in which the law is there to
24:56protect you so so yeah so net net we
24:59benefit from the national correction
25:01that he helped sort of Institute in
25:03terms of passing some of those civil
25:05rights laws voting rights laws so on and
25:07so on and so forth but the heirs to
25:09King's throne so to speak particularly
25:11the black preachers and the
25:13politicians and i' include the pundits
25:16the professors and the performers the
25:17people I call the aristocracy who think
25:20that they are operating his legacy and
25:22and you made this point earlier the ones
25:23who see systemic racism and and income
25:27inequality
25:28as bigger sins than sin
25:31itself I think those men and
25:35women have in many respects squandered
25:39the Legacy they have
25:42acquired a tremendous amount of
25:45political power and political Capital
25:48like folks are in Corporate America and
25:51in the CED and became president and all
25:53so on and so on and so
25:55forth but I would argue that these
25:57people
25:58people sort of secured the bag so to
26:01speak but fumbled the ball and I think
26:04the people who tried to copy him have
26:07made in many respects things worse in
26:11the black community uh respectfully I I
26:14don't believe that these individuals the
26:18William Barbers the Jesse Jackson the Al
26:20Sharpton and others The Liberation
26:22theologians as as you put it uh I don't
26:25believe that they are a deviation from
26:27MLK nor do I believe that they hijacked
26:30MLK or or tried to in a sense merely
26:33mimic MLK I think that they are a
26:35continuation of MLK and had MLK not been
26:38assassinated he would have been doing
26:40the same things that Jesse Jackson and
26:42others were doing the reason I can say
26:44that definitively is because you see him
26:46you see him doing that prior to his
26:49having been assassinated where he was
26:51going into these towns and basically
26:54like the whole nonviolent thing is so is
26:58so brilliant it's just so brilliant
27:00because you build these kind of
27:02situations in these moments and you know
27:04what going to happen you know it's going
27:06to ensue you do all of this knowing that
27:09the threat at the end of all of it is a
27:12riot an allout
27:13Riot and you can then use that as
27:16political fodder a riot is the language
27:19of the unheard social justice and
27:23progress are the absolute guaran of of
27:27Riot prevention the whole point of
27:30nonviolence is you get people into the
27:32streets you don't pull permits so that
27:35the traffic can be regulated and the
27:37noise can be controlled and all the
27:39things you you have these unlawful
27:40marches and to the extent that the
27:42sheriff department shows up and tries to
27:44remove you if you aren't being compliant
27:47you're continuing marching then they
27:49have to necessarily remove You by force
27:51and not only that but a lot of these
27:52individuals who were a part of the
27:54marches weren't themselves Southerners
27:55these were Freedom Writers and others
27:56who were coming down from the North and
27:58being agitative when you look at what
28:01Jesse Jackson was doing in the90s where
28:04they were going to these predominantly
28:06white corporations that were situated in
28:08predominately white areas and they were
28:11saying that they were discriminating
28:12because they don't have enough black
28:14employees again these these same kind of
28:16Shakedown tactics that MLK was doing so
28:19too was Jesse doing in the 90s and so I
28:21don't know that MLK would have been
28:24displeased with what his proverbial Sons
28:26were doing because he was he was doing
28:27the same exact things and not only that
28:29philosophically ideologically he aligned
28:33with where these people are for that
28:35reason I don't know I think we have
28:36enough evidence to to say definitively
28:38where MLK would have landed I I I do
28:41want to address the the the point that
28:42you made right and and this is here's
28:44here's
28:45my little of overarching
28:48response is that you know we may think
28:53that based on a person's trajectory we
28:55have a sense of where they would land
28:58and often times that's that's the best
28:59that you can do but I I often remind
29:02myself like eldis Cleaver who I think
29:04started off as the minister of
29:06information for the Black Panther
29:08Party uh when he when he died in
29:121998 he was a Conservative Republican
29:15who was a part of the Church of uh L Day
29:19Saints right so it's not to say that a
29:22person can't change their perspective
29:26over time because many do Tom Thomas Sol
29:30was famous for saying that he he used to
29:31be a Marxist and then one seme summer
29:35working at Department of Labor sort of
29:37did what classes with milit freedom
29:41Freeman could not do which is to to make
29:44him drop his Marxist leanings well
29:46Justice Thomas said you know that he he
29:50I don't know if he was officially part
29:52of the Black Panthers but he he
29:54certainly was was sympathetic to their
29:56IDE ology so yeah that's true and and
29:59then the other thing I'm just and this
30:01is sort of a cultural thing and not to
30:04be you know taking with a grain of salt
30:07but um the show Bo The Boondocks which
30:10probably could not be made nowadays when
30:13they had the MLK episode and and you
30:15know Dr King right was resurrected from
30:19the dead
30:22yeah he was very critical of things that
30:25he saw in the black community what
30:27happened
30:29huie what happened to our people yeah
30:32but this was a
30:34cartoon true but but but what I'm saying
30:36is it's a cartoon and they could have
30:38they could have written his character in
30:40any number of different ways they they
30:42could have made him permed out Al
30:46Sharpton clone but they didn't it's hard
30:49to say where a person would end up
30:52particularly when you're talking about
30:53someone who's assassinated in his late
30:5430s I want to say 39 where he would have
30:57ended up at 60 years old because people
30:59do mature often times they become more
31:02conservative with with age they would
31:04get to see how their ideas ended up
31:07being used and and what the results were
31:11I find it hard to believe that Dr King
31:14thought to himself and one day the guys
31:17that come after me they are going to
31:19make sure that pregnant men have access
31:22to reproductive health care I find that
31:25very very hard to believe now maybe Gay
31:29Right Stuff given that beay Rustin was
31:32one of his closest advisors maybe but
31:36even that at that time would have
31:38been something along the lines of gay
31:42men mimicking the sort of
31:46Bourgeois Suburban values being able to
31:50get a job at
31:53NBC and buy a house with their partner
31:57n roommate you know that type of thing
32:00and pass on property that I highly doubt
32:04even in be rustin's wiress dreams that
32:07he was thinking look the first black
32:09president is going to be in office when
32:12gay marriage is made legal in the United
32:15States and soon after that is going to
32:18come
32:19transgenderism and a drag queen in every
32:22school I find that hard to believe and
32:24and that's what the guys today are
32:27pushing so what I'm saying is I I want
32:30to hold them responsible for their own
32:33beliefs for their worldview for their
32:35positions and to the extent that they
32:38are trading on I want say trading on
32:40King's Legacy because I get the point
32:42you're making I think what they're doing
32:44is extending King's Legacy by saying
32:47this is the new civil rights Battle of
32:49the day trans issues all things LGBT all
32:53things Pride these are the new civil
32:55rights issues of the day gays and
32:57lesbians are the new oppressed group in
33:01America and we as the NAACP are going to
33:05do what we've always done which is stand
33:07up for the marginalized and oppressed
33:10and we're going to continue that rich
33:11Legacy I I think that's more what it is
33:15and it it is that a continuation of what
33:17Dr King started sure I I think it's fair
33:20to to put some of that there but these
33:22people are also embracing things that no
33:24one could have envisioned in the 19

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