MKULTRA Hearing: Rep. Burchett's CIA Experiments Question Stuns Room, Elicits Cheers — Transcript

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1. 0:00I remember when all the talk about MK
2. 0:02Ultra broke and then they were talking
3. 0:04about lawsuits and there were lawsuits
4. 0:06and CIA and the federal government said
5. 0:09that this didn't exist and then they
6. 0:10came back and said, "Well, it does
7. 0:12exist." And then uh but we're not doing
8. 0:14it anymore. I guess my question to y'all
9. 0:17first is which lie do we do we believe?
10. 0:21Cuz
11. 0:24Thank you.
12. 0:28Obviously, there was an open bar before
13. 0:30this thing started. So, thank y'all. But
14. 0:32um Dr. Kinzer
15. 0:37Hit your mic, brother. You're not on the
16. 0:38mic. It's an old CIA trick.
17. 0:41>> I'm just kidding.
18. 0:42>> I put myself in the place of one of
19. 0:44those senior CIA officers and I'm
20. 0:46thinking to myself like the ones back in
21. 0:48the 1950s. Well, other people must be
22. 0:51doing this. Uh we'd be falling behind if
23. 0:53we don't do it. And nobody's looking
24. 0:55over our shoulders. And that I think is
25. 0:57is your job. So, I I think there is a
26. 1:00definite uh
27. 1:02air of urgency and total secrecy. Um if
28. 1:07the if any current research is going on
29. 1:10and if it's conducted in any comparable
30. 1:13level of secrecy to the original MK
31. 1:15Ultra, it's very deeply secret.
32. 1:17>> But one thing you said though, it's
33. 1:19going to be hard for Congress to act
34. 1:21when they're so dadgum compromised.
35. 1:23Let's just be honest. I mean, y'all are
36. 1:26in the business of
37. 1:28of
38. 1:29twisting ears and and telling us
39. 1:32things that we've done.
40. 1:35And that that that sways a lot of people
41. 1:38up here. Somebody doesn't want to wreck
42. 1:39a marriage or their business or lose
43. 1:41this glamorous job that we have.
44. 1:44Um and so I I I suspect that has a lot
45. 1:47of play into it. Sorry to interrupt you.
46. 1:50I'm
47. 1:51I apologize.
48. 1:52>> All I mean to say is that I think if
49. 1:55there are such projects going on inside
50. 1:58the US government, uh there there might
51. 2:00be a sense that we can do this without
52. 2:04any hostile supervision.
53. 2:06>> What are the possibilities that
54. 2:08that what we've learned in MK-Ultra, now
55. 2:11that it has advanced so much to
56. 2:13algorithms and and the computer and
57. 2:16getting to
58. 2:18loners that some of these loners could
59. 2:22through this just mass
60. 2:24propagation of whatever you're doing
61. 2:27uh could cause someone to maybe take a
62. 2:30shot at a president.
63. 2:37>> I
64. 2:38I know there's a lot of speculation out
65. 2:39there about the uh Butler shooting and I
66. 2:43guess even the Charlie Kirk shooting.
67. 2:46I just hate to speculate um
68. 2:49because I don't know. I have no
69. 2:50firsthand knowledge whether those guys
70. 2:52were programmed through radio waves
71. 2:55or through their computer activity. So,
72. 2:58I would never hazard a guess except to
73. 3:01say what I've already said that they
74. 3:03developed means that we've never been
75. 3:05told about many, many years ago and I
76. 3:09imagine they've evolved to be much more
77. 3:11effective now as well.
78. 3:12>> Let me interrupt you one more time and I
79. 3:14apologize again, but don't you think
80. 3:16that they can cast this broad net
81. 3:18through these algorithms and other
82. 3:20things and maybe they don't know the
83. 3:22exact person it's going to affect, but
84. 3:24they know what type of person it's going
85. 3:25to affect and they know it's going to
86. 3:27happen and that way they can they can't
87. 3:29predict when it's going to happen, but
88. 3:31they think it will happen and then that
89. 3:33way they can sort of wash their hands of
90. 3:35this whole thing
91. 3:37and say we didn't have anything to do
92. 3:38with it, but in effect they really did
93. 3:40because they uh
94. 3:42they put this out there and they
95. 3:43continue to put it out there
96. 3:45through whatever method you're talking
97. 3:47about. Go ahead, guys. I'm sorry. Ma'am,
98. 3:49if you want to jump in.
99. 3:50>> She's with the NIH.
100. 3:51>> Okay.
101. 3:53Doctor, go ahead.
102. 3:54>> It sounds to me like you're describing
103. 3:56something like the Martin Luther King
104. 3:58assassination. The FBI didn't carry it
105. 4:00out, but it created such a climate just
106. 4:03denouncing King as the most dangerous
107. 4:05man in America and putting out all this
108. 4:07material about how he was helping
109. 4:08communists that they must have thought
110. 4:11it's going to filter down. Somebody will
111. 4:13take action and then we can say we
112. 4:14didn't have anything to do with it.
113. 4:16>> And James Earl Ray was
114. 4:18a third-rate thief.
115. 4:20He made an incredible shot, one foot on
116. 4:22a commode, one foot in a in a bathtub.
117. 4:25Uh leaning out of a window, basically,
118. 4:28and um
119. 4:29the next day they um or that afternoon
120. 4:31all the shrubbery was cut in front of
121. 4:33the flop house he was staying in.
122. 4:34There's a lot on that one that will
123. 4:36never be discussed. I have some friends
124. 4:38that were there. So, I guess I could I'm
125. 4:40on
126. 4:41pretty close to first-hand knowledge,
127. 4:43but um yeah, I'm sorry.
128. 4:46I'm probably going to get audited when I
129. 4:47walk out of the room. I just I know it,
130. 4:49so.
131. 4:50Thank you. Um Chairlady, I yield back my
132. 4:53four seconds.