MIT 물리학&컴공생이 체감중인 AI가 바꾸고 있는 부의 미래 | 우연히 만난 사람들 ep.09 — Transcript

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1. 0:00Excuse me, sir. May I ask you something?
2. 0:03>> Yes, sure.
3. 0:03>> I'm just a content creator from South
4. 0:05Korea.
5. 0:05>> Oh, okay.
6. 0:06>> And I'm just taking some interview with
7. 0:07MIT students. Is it okay to take your
8. 0:10interview?
9. 0:11>> Yeah, sure.
10. 0:11>> Oh, really? Is it okay to sit on there?
11. 0:14>> Yeah, yeah. Whatever is fine.
12. 0:15>> Yeah. I heard that this is a exam
13. 0:17duration.
14. 0:18>> Uh we have
15. 0:20some final projects now.
16. 0:21>> Yeah.
17. 0:22>> So, I have a final quiz next Monday. And
18. 0:25then the week after we have our finals.
19. 0:27>> Oh.
20. 0:27>> So, I think starting the
21. 0:3017th through the 20th
22. 0:32>> Oh.
23. 0:32>> are finals.
24. 0:33>> So, you have a little time for preparing
25. 0:35some exam.
26. 0:36>> Yeah, we have we have like a
27. 0:38last day of classes is next Wednesday.
28. 0:40>> Mhm.
29. 0:40>> And final exams start on Monday.
30. 0:43>> Mhm.
31. 0:43>> So, we have the couple days in the
32. 0:45weekend
33. 0:46>> Oh.
34. 0:46>> to study.
35. 0:47>> Sounds good.
36. 0:47>> Yeah.
37. 0:48>> Then, uh may I ask you about your major?
38. 0:50>> Yeah, I'm a major in physics and uh
39. 0:53computer science.
40. 0:54>> Oh. Are you born in Boston in Boston?
41. 0:57>> No, no. I'm born in California.
42. 0:59>> California. Then, why did you came to
43. 1:01Boston MIT? Because I heard that there's
44. 1:03also Stanford in
45. 1:05California.
46. 1:06>> Stanford is a very good uh university. I
47. 1:07I didn't like uh the culture at
48. 1:09Stanford. I feel it's too focused on
49. 1:11startups, too focused on I don't know,
50. 1:14things in the Bay Area. MIT people are
51. 1:16more interested in like learning. All
52. 1:18more people here like have the Olympiads
53. 1:20or they want to pursue a PhD and really
54. 1:22like learning something very focused.
55. 1:25Stanford, I feel people want to build
56. 1:26something and build companies,
57. 1:28organizations. And that's just not what
58. 1:30my interests are.
59. 1:32>> So, you're just interested in studying
60. 1:34kind of thing.
61. 1:35>> Yes, yes. I love learning. Yes, yes,
62. 1:37yes.
63. 1:37I'm I'm a very big learning guy. I mean,
64. 1:39I always liked reading as a kid. I would
65. 1:41just read encyclopedias all the time. I
66. 1:43would love watching documentaries and
67. 1:45learn more about the world. Like I love
68. 1:47studying for classes.
69. 1:48>> Yeah.
70. 1:48>> Um just I really like lecture notes. I
71. 1:51like textbooks.
72. 1:53Um that's what I like to do the best.
73. 1:55>> Then, is it okay to ask what grade are
74. 1:57you? Oh, I'm a junior. Junior. Then are
75. 1:59you preparing for getting a job now?
76. 2:01Yeah, so I have to actually prepare for
77. 2:04interviews for next summer
78. 2:07like job offers this summer so
79. 2:10so like different different careers have
80. 2:13different like hiring times. So you have
81. 2:15private equity investment banking which
82. 2:17are the earliest they start before so
83. 2:19actually you you you interview for those
84. 2:22internships for next summer before you
85. 2:24start the internship for the current
86. 2:25summer. So those interviews are very
87. 2:27early and then tech typically starts
88. 2:30like 9 months before the summer so it's
89. 2:32starting in September you have to
90. 2:33prepare for those interviews.
91. 2:35But then if you want to do something in
92. 2:37the startup space
93. 2:38startups start or typically hire most
94. 2:41around like March before the summer. Do
95. 2:43you have your dream job? Uh no I don't I
96. 2:45don't really have a dream job. I like
97. 2:47it's uh
98. 2:49I like if if if I had to work in a
99. 2:51vacuum from the world like if I did if
100. 2:54what I did didn't impact the world at
101. 2:56all
102. 2:57or like you know if money wasn't like a
103. 2:59concern I would work in like academia. I
104. 3:01think research is something I I really I
105. 3:03think I I would enjoy the most but I
106. 3:06feel in order to establish a career in
107. 3:08academia there's a huge focus on you
108. 3:10know papers and putting yourself forward
109. 3:13as a career like in terms of your career
110. 3:15rather than like focusing on like
111. 3:17learning and just reading. So
112. 3:20I don't know. I I don't think that
113. 3:22there's a dream career which exists for
114. 3:23me but uh there's that. There's
115. 3:26different research opportunities that I
116. 3:27would enjoy doing.
117. 3:29And sometimes when I met someone who is
118. 3:31interested in math they wanted you to go
119. 3:33to like master or PhD kind of that but
120. 3:36don't you ever think like that?
121. 3:38Yeah, so um in amazing we have the
122. 3:40masters of engineering program. So if
123. 3:42you're in the computer science
124. 3:43department especially you can do a one
125. 3:45year's masters at MIT. And so I actually
126. 3:47plan on doing this. I'll do my bachelors
127. 3:49and then I'll do my masters one year
128. 3:51later as well. And so, I'm actually
129. 3:53already most of my class I've taken
130. 3:55right now are graduate level classes
131. 3:56even though I'm an undergrad. And so,
132. 3:58these are to fulfill my master
133. 3:59requirements later. PhD is like it's
134. 4:02still on the table if I don't really get
135. 4:04an internship or a job I really like in
136. 4:06the near future, then I will you know
137. 4:08consider going [screaming] into PhD cuz
138. 4:10a lot of my experience is anyways in
139. 4:11research. But the thing with PhD in like
140. 4:13this like current age is things are
141. 4:15changing so fast. With PhD you're like
142. 4:18doing 4 years in a university sort of
143. 4:20separate [music] from like what's going
144. 4:22on in the world. And so,
145. 4:24what you do a PhD in, by the time you
146. 4:27apply and get done with it, it might be
147. 4:29completely different world coming out
148. 4:30and your skills that you could get in
149. 4:31the PhD might not be as useful. So,
150. 4:33that's why I'm scared to do a PhD now as
151. 4:35well. But yeah. Then it's just my love
152. 4:38guess, but when I met someone who is
153. 4:40majoring computer science and math, they
154. 4:42are always not always but most of them
155. 4:44are like interesting in quant investing.
156. 4:47And
157. 4:48we are so interested like interested in
158. 4:50quant investing. Uh yeah, so there's a
159. 4:52field of quantitative finance which MIT
160. 4:55does recruit a lot from. These are
161. 4:58majors which which include software
162. 5:00engineers, includes infrastructure
163. 5:02people, includes traders, and includes
164. 5:04researchers. And so, depending on like
165. 5:07what you want to do, there's different
166. 5:08requirements. But most often you need a
167. 5:10good understanding of like probability,
168. 5:12some basic understanding of how to code,
169. 5:14algorithms, and just like a
170. 5:16good ability and good ability to work
171. 5:19with like into this math. And so, yeah
172. 5:22this is a a career that a lot of people
173. 5:24like MIT is sort of one of like the if
174. 5:26you were to sort of rank careers in
175. 5:28terms of like the most sought-after,
176. 5:30this would be one of the top ones.
177. 5:32Although they're changing now, I feel a
178. 5:34lot of the people who I know got like
179. 5:35quant offers summer are actually going
180. 5:37to go into like open AI
181. 5:39because open AI research is seen as like
182. 5:41very prestigious thing
183. 5:43especially in any of like you know the
184. 5:45AI frontier labs and the Anthropic
185. 5:46fellowship. Um, all these sorts of
186. 5:48things are very sought after.
187. 5:50>> Then there's some more philosophical
188. 5:52questions. Yeah. And is it okay to your
189. 5:54time?
190. 5:54>> Yeah, sure. Sure.
191. 5:55>> Then do you think also like AI
192. 5:57evolution, like the technology
193. 5:58evolution, makes world better like all
194. 6:01over the world?
195. 6:02>> Oh, it'll make the world better. No,
196. 6:04yeah. No?
197. 6:04>> No, I don't think so.
198. 6:05>> Why?
199. 6:06>> Um, I think for a lot of reasons. I
200. 6:08think more in this like current day and
201. 6:11age with like limited regulation on AI
202. 6:13models
203. 6:14>> Yeah.
204. 6:14>> and AI companies, what will happen is
205. 6:17people will continue investing in the
206. 6:18future that AI models will be able to
207. 6:20like take over like all sorts of work.
208. 6:22>> Yeah.
209. 6:22>> And so you're going to get more and more
210. 6:24wealth accumulation in these like fewer
211. 6:26companies and they will be able to, you
212. 6:29know, build more data centers, destroy
213. 6:31the environment more, or like uh, steal
214. 6:34people's like in- the information to
215. 6:36train their models. And, you know, use
216. 6:38like the labor and minerals in other
217. 6:40like countries to sort of build their
218. 6:43technology further and further more.
219. 6:45It's just one of those things that like,
220. 6:46you know, when you have a technology
221. 6:48which limits the amount of people
222. 6:50>> Yeah.
223. 6:50>> that have access to it, right? Like
224. 6:52these AI models, like right now, a lot
225. 6:54of people can use them, right? Like sure
226. 6:56there's like like plans that are like,
227. 6:58you know, $20 a month, which is like not
228. 7:00too expensive, you know, for the average
229. 7:02like American, for example.
230. 7:04>> Yeah.
231. 7:04>> But these like companies are right now
232. 7:06non-profits. They're doing this at a
233. 7:08loss. So, in the future when these
234. 7:10companies do want to make a profit, when
235. 7:12they have to, you know, make money,
236. 7:14these things are going to get more and
237. 7:16more expensive and are not going to be
238. 7:17accessible
239. 7:18>> Yeah.
240. 7:18>> to normal people.
241. 7:19And so the people who have access to
242. 7:21technology are going to get smaller and
243. 7:22smaller and smaller. And the people who
244. 7:24have jobs are going to get smaller and
245. 7:25smaller and smaller. So, the majority of
246. 7:27society is [music] going to be left
247. 7:28behind.
248. 7:29>> Mhm.
249. 7:29>> Right? You need regulation. You need
250. 7:31things that are able to protect like the
251. 7:33majority of people
252. 7:35>> Yeah.
253. 7:35>> to make sure the world doesn't become a
254. 7:36worse place with these sorts of things.
255. 7:37I do think there is a good like there is
256. 7:39a a world that can exist with AI, which
257. 7:41is which is better than our world right
258. 7:42now.
259. 7:43But, with assistance in place, I feel we
260. 7:45are like very, very unprepared for this
261. 7:47type of life situation
262. 7:49and this type of life Yeah, society.
263. 7:51>> Do you think that it's possible to
264. 7:52evaluate the technology with the
265. 7:54ethically?
266. 7:55>> Um yes, I I do think like we can make
267. 7:58ethical AI technology, but we need first
268. 8:00first we have to make sure we know
269. 8:02what's going on with these models.
270. 8:03First, we have to like be able to
271. 8:04understand them, make sure that they're
272. 8:06capable of making the [music] right
273. 8:07decisions. Cuz right now, a lot of AI is
274. 8:09a black box. What we need is like, you
275. 8:11know, actual research and like AI safety
276. 8:14research mech and term, which will help
277. 8:16us better understand how these like
278. 8:17models operate. Second, we need to like
279. 8:19guidelines and policy within the
280. 8:21government to ensure that these
281. 8:22companies are held accountable for the
282. 8:24models and that the the productivity
283. 8:27that is increased by these models go
284. 8:29back to the people which helped make it
285. 8:31in the first place. Surely like this to
286. 8:32didn't help to improve society in
287. 8:34general.
288. 8:35Right? We need we need mechanisms to to
289. 8:37make these things better for society.
290. 8:39And yeah, I mean we just need like less
291. 8:40profit-based thinking in general. I
292. 8:42think
293. 8:43with like the like abundance that like
294. 8:45AI could potentially provide us, we need
295. 8:48to think about, you know, what type of
296. 8:49society we want to become. I think now
297. 8:52more than ever, like we don't have to
298. 8:54rely on the like the free market to sort
299. 8:56of
300. 8:57run our society. There's so many signals
301. 8:59like we're we're running like in like
302. 9:01There's so much information available in
303. 9:03the world that transactions like markets
304. 9:06are just going all over the place, you
305. 9:08know, we have like these like poly
306. 9:09markets, policy things, betting
307. 9:11platforms where where people are just
308. 9:13like, you know, like these markets are
309. 9:14huge. More and more people are just like
310. 9:16putting their money in like a losing
311. 9:18system.
312. 9:19And I I think it's come to a point where
313. 9:21like the the markets are exploiting
314. 9:22people rather than benefiting them. So,
315. 9:24I think we need to see like a a big like
316. 9:25economic change in the world. And I
317. 9:27think this has to come from mass
318. 9:29movements within people, not just uh
319. 9:31yeah, not not just through elected
320. 9:32officials.
321. 9:33>> That's interesting.
322. 9:34>> Yeah.
323. 9:34>> You really like think a lot of things
324. 9:36with this topic.
325. 9:37>> Well, yeah. I think I think MIT is a
326. 9:39great place to talk to people about
327. 9:41these sorts of things. Everyone's
328. 9:41[music] concerned about
329. 9:43you know, how these things will be
330. 9:45applied in the real world. You know,
331. 9:46there's also clubs on campus such as
332. 9:48Maya, which is MIT AI Alignment, which
333. 9:50talks about safety in regards to AI
334. 9:52models. There's Impact at MIT, which is
335. 9:55more of an effective altruist
336. 9:56organization which talks about you know,
337. 9:57the ethics of different things in the
338. 9:59world and how we as students can
339. 10:00contribute to these things.
340. 10:02>> Mhm.
341. 10:02>> And so I think MIT does allow these
342. 10:04sorts of conversations to be held in
343. 10:05like
344. 10:07we'll stay up late at night just talking
345. 10:08about these sorts of things as well. So,
346. 10:10yeah. Yeah.
347. 10:11>> Then sometimes when I start like search
348. 10:14some media, a bit of a media said like,
349. 10:16"This is the last chance to be a leech
350. 10:18because AI will break up a lot of
351. 10:21capitalism thing." And do you agree
352. 10:23about that opinion, too?
353. 10:25>> Will AI break up capitalism? I don't
354. 10:28think so.
355. 10:28>> You don't think so?
356. 10:29>> I I I um I think currently AI will
357. 10:33benefit the technocrats.
358. 10:35>> Yeah.
359. 10:35>> Right? The people The people who own the
360. 10:37AI companies. They will be in the sort
361. 10:40of in control of the markets. They'll be
362. 10:42like they'll
363. 10:43the as the wealth
364. 10:46concentration
365. 10:47deepens further in the direction of
366. 10:48these technocrats, like as they gain
367. 10:50more and more money with all of the rest
368. 10:51of people, they will control the markets
369. 10:53more and more.
370. 10:53>> Mhm.
371. 10:54>> And I feel this whole rather I guess it
372. 10:57will break capitalism in the fact that
373. 10:58like the markets won't be free to
374. 11:01everyone. It won't be your typical, you
375. 11:02know, like like the the the free market
376. 11:04capitalism won't work cuz you'll just
377. 11:05have like monopolies of people. And like
378. 11:07these these individuals or these
379. 11:09corporations will basically be
380. 11:10controlling the the the entire the
381. 11:12entire economy. And I think this will
382. 11:15just become like I have I can't separate
383. 11:16the politics from like the economic
384. 11:18principles here. I I think this will
385. 11:20just become like a technocratic society
386. 11:21where you know, the technocrats are in
387. 11:23charge of the government. They sort of
388. 11:24make the policy decisions. And
389. 11:27yeah.
390. 11:28>> Yeah.
391. 11:28>> But I do think it will be
392. 11:30if AI continues advancing and there
393. 11:33isn't regulation, there isn't resistance
394. 11:35to this movement, like average day
395. 11:37people won't be able to contribute to
396. 11:38the economy. Like we will be shut off
397. 11:40from the market, we will be shut off
398. 11:41from the government, we will be shut off
399. 11:42from society and our contribution to it
400. 11:44cuz our labor won't mean anything. Our
401. 11:48our like voices can be suppressed by
402. 11:50like propaganda and misinformation.
403. 11:53And so yeah, now is like like yes, like
404. 11:55now is sort of the last time where we
405. 11:57can sort of make a difference and you
406. 11:59know, like make a change in the world I
407. 12:00think. Because yeah, these types of
408. 12:01opportunities are just [music] not going
409. 12:02to exist in the future if things
410. 12:04continue on the same trajectory they are
411. 12:05now.
412. 12:05>> What can I do
413. 12:06for changing the world better?
414. 12:09>> Great question. I think I think the best
415. 12:11the best change currently is through
416. 12:13politics. Um
417. 12:15I think we are changing a lot as a
418. 12:16society right now in terms of
419. 12:18technology, in terms of culture,
420. 12:21media. And
421. 12:23with these types of changes, the only
422. 12:25way to address things at the systemic
423. 12:27level is through like under like looking
424. 12:29at political structures, looking at
425. 12:31ideologies and how like do we
426. 12:34implement them in the current society. I
427. 12:36think like I believe in like people
428. 12:37power, I believe in like mass movements,
429. 12:40I believe in organizations which
430. 12:41advocate for everyone. And so I would,
431. 12:46you know, support joining these types of
432. 12:47organizations. And so I think using
433. 12:50labor right now while we still have, you
434. 12:53know, the power of labor against these
435. 12:54corporations, I think is really
436. 12:56necessary. Cuz in the future this this
437. 12:58type of power may not exist. So yeah, I
438. 13:01would say yeah, just join join
439. 13:03organizations, see what you can do to
440. 13:05make movements in society. I still have
441. 13:07to figure this out honestly. I'm not I
442. 13:09want to be more of a political person. I
443. 13:11want to like sort of have these ideas. I
444. 13:12need to get more into like political
445. 13:13literature and learn from the past to
446. 13:16sort of
447. 13:16see what kind of
448. 13:18what kind of directions I can explore in
449. 13:19the future to make a society a better
450. 13:21place. I really want to. And I think
451. 13:22like now is the time. Now is like the
452. 13:24last chance we have.
453. 13:26>> Then if if we really about the world,
454. 13:29what's the most underrated value in this
455. 13:31modern society do you think?
456. 13:32>> Underrated value?
457. 13:33>> Yeah.
458. 13:34>> I would say in general, yeah, I guess I
459. 13:36guess talking to people like in person
460. 13:38and you know, making like real life
461. 13:40connections is probably going to be the
462. 13:42most important thing we can do as a
463. 13:43society to stay connected.
464. 13:45>> Yeah.
465. 13:45>> You know, as it becomes easier to like
466. 13:47talk online or get get like sort of
467. 13:48brainwashed by the the amount of media
468. 13:51that exists online, there's so much you
469. 13:53know, content already online and with AI
470. 13:55generated content it's going to get more
471. 13:57and more worse. There's going to be so
472. 13:57much noise. You won't be able to tell
473. 13:59what's real or what's fake on what's
474. 14:01online. So I think, you know, talking to
475. 14:03people in your life, understanding
476. 14:05what's going on in their lives, getting
477. 14:07involved in your community,
478. 14:08understanding how you can make a
479. 14:09difference there, I think it's really
480. 14:11important. This is like how we sort of
481. 14:13connect to others, how we, you know,
482. 14:14stay stay like human as a society.
483. 14:17Otherwise, we'll just we won't know what
484. 14:19we are, you know? Like if you look at a
485. 14:21lot of people nowadays, when they like
486. 14:23only look at like, you know, one news
487. 14:24channel
488. 14:25>> Yeah.
489. 14:25>> or only look at like content coming from
490. 14:27like specific sources, they become
491. 14:29blindsided to a lot of things inside and
492. 14:31and they live in a world which isn't
493. 14:32real, right? They they live in a world
494. 14:34that's a make up on their own and
495. 14:36they're disillusioned by things and
496. 14:38yeah, I I think you really need to like
497. 14:39make sure you're you're you're living in
498. 14:42the real world if you want to make a
499. 14:43real world impact.
500. 14:56>> [music]