Milton Friedman - The Nature of Free Market Capitalism — Transcript
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- 0:07when you see around the globe the
- 0:09maldistribution of wealth the the
- 0:11desperate plight of millions of people
- 0:13in underdeveloped countries uh when you
- 0:16see so few Hales and so many have knots
- 0:19when you when you see the greed and the
- 0:21concentration of power within don't
- 0:23aren't you ever did you ever have a
- 0:25moment of doubt about capitalism and
- 0:28whether greed's a good idea to on well
- 0:30first of all tell me is there some
- 0:32Society you know that doesn't run on
- 0:34Greed you think Russia doesn't run on
- 0:36Greed you think China doesn't run on
- 0:39Greed what is greed of course none of us
- 0:42are greedy it's only the other fellow
- 0:44who's
- 0:45greedy this the world runs on
- 0:49individuals pursuing their separate
- 0:50interests the great achievements of
- 0:53civilization have not come from
- 0:55government bureaus Einstein didn't
- 0:57construct his theory under order from a
- 1:00from a a
- 1:02bureaucrat Henry Ford didn't
- 1:03revolutionize the automobile industry
- 1:05that way in the only cases in which the
- 1:09masses have escaped from the kind of
- 1:11grinding poverty you're talking about
- 1:12the only cases in recorded history or
- 1:15where they where they have had
- 1:16capitalism and largely free trade if you
- 1:18want to know where the masses are worth
- 1:21worse off worst off it's exactly in the
- 1:24kinds of societies that depart from that
- 1:27so that the record of history is
- 1:29absolutely crystal clear that there is
- 1:31no alternative way so far discovered of
- 1:35improving the lot of the ordinary people
- 1:38that can hold a candle to the productive
- 1:41activities that are Unleashed by a free
- 1:43enterprise system but it seems to reward
- 1:45not virtue as much as ability to
- 1:47manipulate the system and what does
- 1:49reward virtue you think the Communist
- 1:51commissar rewards virtue you think a
- 1:54Hitler rewards virtue you think excuse
- 1:57me if you'll pardon me do you think
- 1:59American president's reward
- 2:02virtue do they choose their appointees
- 2:05on the basis of the virtue of the people
- 2:07appointed or on the basis of their
- 2:08political
- 2:09clout is it really true that political
- 2:12self-interest is nobler somehow than
- 2:15economic
- 2:16self-interest you know I think you're
- 2:18taking a lot of things for granted and
- 2:20just tell me where in the world you find
- 2:21these angels who are going to organize
- 2:24Society for
- 2:26us why is it we have so many a million
- 2:29years and everything in the United
- 2:31States and we still have so many
- 2:33impoverished people who try to get up
- 2:35into the world why is it we have this
- 2:38lack of money where people who can't
- 2:40support them themselves decently and get
- 2:42a decent job where all these big men are
- 2:45up on top making ooodles and ooodles of
- 2:47money they don't eat it they can only
- 2:48eat that much eat in know sleep they do
- 2:51it if they don't eat it and don't don't
- 2:53use it what do you suppose they do they
- 2:55it they what do you mean they it you
- 2:56mean they put it under their pillows
- 2:58that's right no they keep investing it
- 3:00investing it in what that's right what
- 3:02are they invested in well in oil and
- 3:04everything where I mean all these other
- 3:06people who are what do they invested in
- 3:08don't get off the subject what are they
- 3:09invested in well they invested in a lot
- 3:12of uh different things that the little
- 3:13people need well do they invest it in
- 3:16factories do some of that money end up
- 3:18in machines do those factories and
- 3:20machines provide ordinary working people
- 3:22with jobs or not what do you suppose the
- 3:24productivity of this country would be
- 3:26and of the the wage rate would be if the
- 3:29total amount of capital in this country
- 3:31today was what it was 100 years
- 3:33ago where do you suppose the
- 3:36improvements in productivity come from
- 3:37except from the re the investment by
- 3:40people of their savings but let me go to
- 3:43your fundamental question first place
- 3:46Nirvana is not for this world there is
- 3:49no Paradise of course we've got a lot of
- 3:52people who are poorly
- 3:53off but if you look at it over time if
- 3:56you get a sense of proportion the
- 3:58well-being of of the ordinary people has
- 4:02been the main thing that has been
- 4:04improved by economic progress and
- 4:06economic growth and development and
- 4:09residual most residual hard cases of
- 4:12poverty today are the result again of a
- 4:15failure of government why do we have a
- 4:18teenage black teenage unemployment rate
- 4:21in 30 to 40% because of two failures of
- 4:25government one a failure to provide
- 4:27decent schooling which is a governmental
- 4:29responsibility has been whether it
- 4:31should be or not it has been and second
- 4:33because of a minimum wage rate which
- 4:36prevents those kids who haven't had
- 4:38decent schooling from getting jobs at
- 4:41low pay at which they can earn the
- 4:43skills on the jobs that would enable
- 4:45them to rise to higher pay if you look
- 4:46at the sources of poverty you will find
- 4:49a very L most of them are derived from
- 4:53bad what I regard as wrong-headed
- 4:55Government policies I want to make sure
- 4:57I understand you because the government
- 4:59that's a minimum
- 5:01wage what does McDonald's do McDonald's
- 5:05it can't hire as many teenagers it it uh
- 5:08improves its Capital Equipment to serve
- 5:10it does Less business because it has to
- 5:12charge higher uh uh hamburger prices in
- 5:15the absence of a of a minimum wage
- 5:18McDonald's would be able to offer a
- 5:20larger number of jobs to a larger number
- 5:22of youngsters and they would be able to
- 5:23acquire some skills and not only
- 5:26McDonald's so we hire more people more
- 5:28people get work younger people younger
- 5:29people would work and they'd get a
- 5:30chance to develop their skills to become
- 5:32productive members of society instead of
- 5:35being driven into a cycle of poverty and
- 5:37of welfare which is absolutely
- 5:40deplorable the problem of trying to
- 5:43interpret and analyze a system either
- 5:46Pro or Con in terms of such Concepts as
- 5:49the morality of the system or the
- 5:51humanity of the system whether
- 5:53capitalism is Humane or socialism is
- 5:55Humane or moral or
- 5:57immoral the problem with that is that
- 5:59moral values are individual they are not
- 6:02Collective moral values have to do with
- 6:05what each of us separately believes and
- 6:07holds true what what our own individual
- 6:10values are capitalism socialism Central
- 6:15planning are means not
- 6:19ends they in and of themselves are
- 6:21neither moral nor immoral Humane nor hum
- 6:24inhumanity we have to ask what are their
- 6:27results we have to look and what are the
- 6:30consequences of adopting one or another
- 6:34system of
- 6:36organization and from that point of view
- 6:38the crucial thing is to look beneath the
- 6:40surface don't look at what the
- 6:42proponents of one system or another say
- 6:44are their intentions but look at what
- 6:46the actual results
- 6:49are
- 6:51socialism which means government
- 6:53ownership and operation of means of
- 6:55production has
- 6:57appealed to
- 7:00high-minded fine People to People of
- 7:03idealistic views because of the supposed
- 7:06objectives of socialism especially
- 7:09because of the supposed objectives of
- 7:11equality of equality and social justice
- 7:15now those are fine objectives and it's a
- 7:18tribute to the people of Good Will that
- 7:21those objectives should appeal to them
- 7:24but you have to ask the question does
- 7:26the system no matter what its proponents
- 7:28say produce those results and once you
- 7:31look at the results it's Crystal Clear
- 7:33that they do
- 7:35not but Dr fredman uh do you believe in
- 7:38a total less a fair libertarian
- 7:41economy yes I also believe there's room
- 7:45for government and those are not a
- 7:48contradiction I believe that government
- 7:50has some very important functions to
- 7:52perform it has a function of protecting
- 7:55individuals from physical coercion by
- 7:58their fellows it has a function of
- 8:01protecting the nation from foreign
- 8:03enemies it has a function of enabling us
- 8:05to have a forum a means through which we
- 8:09can decide on the rules of property and
- 8:11so on by which we want to conduct our
- 8:13Affairs and it has a function of
- 8:16adjudicating disputes among us those
- 8:18functions in my
- 8:20opinion are the fundamental and basic
- 8:23functions of government there may be
- 8:25some other peripheral things that
- 8:26government can do without doing much
- 8:28harm
- 8:30but beyond that I believe and as
- 8:34unfettered a free
- 8:36enterprise economy as is feasible within
- 8:40those very narrow limits for a limited
- 8:43government if you take the automobile
- 8:45industry in particular since Henry Ford
- 8:47really revolutionized it it transformed
- 8:50the nature of life in this country the
- 8:52automobiles improved tremendously they
- 8:54came down in cost relative to other
- 8:56Goods the effect of the of the kind of
- 8:59regulations you now have have has been
- 9:01to make automobiles not more safe but
- 9:04less safe why because by making them
- 9:07more
- 9:08expensive they make it pay to keep an
- 9:10old car on the road longer the average
- 9:12age of cars on the road has gone up and
- 9:15old cars are less safe than new cars
- 9:18there's no case for the government
- 9:20whatsoever in mandating airbags because
- 9:23airbags protect the people inside the
- 9:25car that's my business if I want to
- 9:27protect myself I should do it at my
- 9:30expense you'd be against uh mandatory
- 9:32wearing of helmets for motorcyclists too
- 9:34of course I think people ought to be
- 9:35free to do what they want what's it what
- 9:37what what's wrong with the why can't the
- 9:39government be paternalistic and
- 9:42maternalistic and care for its citizens
- 9:44well that depends on what kind of
- 9:45government you want of course it can be
- 9:47but it turns out that the paternalism
- 9:50tends to serve the interests of the
- 9:51people who are being paternal and not
- 9:52the people whom they are supposedly
- 9:55protecting it's often described as a
- 9:57profit system but that's a misleading
- 9:59label it's a profit and loss system and
- 10:02the loss part is even more important
- 10:04than the profit because it's what gets
- 10:06rid of badly managed poorly operated
- 10:10companies we don't we don't create
- 10:12inflation by our personal Behavior we
- 10:14create inflation by getting our
- 10:17legislators people in Washington to vote
- 10:19for more and more spending and by
- 10:22objecting the extra taxes and there by
- 10:26having it financed by printing money
- 10:28there's only one way you can stop
- 10:29inflation and that's by having the
- 10:32government create less money and spend
- 10:35less money what does the average citizen
- 10:38do to uh help the inflation or to fight
- 10:40it there is nothing the individual
- 10:43citizen can do to help or fight
- 10:45inflation in his personal Behavior All
- 10:48attempts to tell you it's the consumer
- 10:50who's doing the wasteful consumer who's
- 10:52producing inflation is an attempt by the
- 10:54government to shift shift the blame to
- 10:57somebody else as a citizen you can do a
- 11:00great deal as a citizen you can exercise
- 11:03your
- 11:04influence on your Congressman at the
- 11:07elections to try to elect people who are
- 11:10committed to cutting government
- 11:12spending now we don't have a free market
- 11:15don't kid yourself and the biggest
- 11:18enemies of a free market the two biggest
- 11:21enemies of the free market are two
- 11:22separate groups my academic colleagues
- 11:25and business people they business people
- 11:27are enemies of markets not
- 11:30friends they the the academic people are
- 11:35all in favor of freedom for themselves
- 11:37except even now they aren't even in
- 11:39favor of that with this politically
- 11:41correct nonsense that's going around but
- 11:44historically academic people have always
- 11:46been in favor of freedom for themselves
- 11:48they want to be able to say what they
- 11:49want write what they want do whatever
- 11:51research they want but they're all
- 11:53against freedom for everybody else they
- 11:56think that they know better what's good
- 11:57for the poor people people and the poor
- 11:59people do they think they can run the
- 12:01economy better than the businesses can
- 12:04the business people are just the
- 12:06opposite they're all in favor of freedom
- 12:08for everybody else and at the drop of a
- 12:12hat you can get any leading businessman
- 12:13to give you an L man to give you an
- 12:15eloquent speech on the virtues of free
- 12:17market but when it comes to their own
- 12:20business they want to go down to
- 12:22Washington and get a special tariff to
- 12:24protect their business they want a
- 12:25special tax deduction they want a tax
- 12:28Subs
- 12:30when Chrysler is on the verge of failing
- 12:33which it should have done it should have
- 12:34been allowed to fail Chrysler goes down
- 12:37and and uh exercises political influence
- 12:40try to get the government to lended
- 12:42money to subsidize
- 12:43it so businessmen in general not all
- 12:47there have been some notable exceptions
- 12:48and I don't want to include everybody
- 12:50just as not all intellectuals are in
- 12:54that CL but in the main most businessmen
- 12:58are enemies
- 12:59of free markets the real beneficiaries
- 13:02of free
- 13:04markets are the uh Invisible Man the
- 13:09small consu the
- 13:10consumer the ordinary worker those are
- 13:15the real people who benefit from free
- 13:17markets but
- 13:19unfortunately they don't have the kind
- 13:20of political
- 13:22clout there is a very important role for
- 13:25government to play but there's such a
- 13:27thing as too much of a good thing
- 13:29and government has been growing Beyond
- 13:31bounds right now and to take the
- 13:34simplest measure the government spending
- 13:37at federal state and local levels
- 13:39amounts to over 40% of the income of the
- 13:42people of the country if you go around
- 13:44and ask people are you getting your
- 13:46money's worth for that 40% of your
- 13:48income which is being spent on your
- 13:50behalf supposedly by government there
- 13:52are very few people who will say yes the
- 13:55government is too big it's too intrusive
- 13:58it restricts what we can do it's
- 14:00becoming our Master instead of our
- 14:02servant and we've got to react against
- 14:05it and cut it down to
- 14:11size
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