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  1. 0:00Present order book, what we see is
  2. 0:02number one will be in the defense sector
  3. 0:05and
  4. 0:06most of the businesses are coming from
  5. 0:08our export customers in Israel as well
  6. 0:11as some of the customers in Europe. So
  7. 0:13this is going to be the number one
  8. 0:16business as we go in
  9. 0:1826 27 and 27 28. The order books are
  10. 0:22phenomenal and new inquiries are being
  11. 0:25generated here.
  12. 0:32>> WELCOME TO SUNDAY INVESTING AND THIS is
  13. 0:34our 42nd episode of Know Your Promoter
  14. 0:36series. And today we have Mr. Sridhar
  15. 0:39Acharya with us, the MD of Milworks
  16. 0:42Technologies Limited. So how are you?
  17. 0:45>> I'm doing well, Tanmay. Thank you for
  18. 0:47inviting for this talk.
  19. 0:49>> So you know, before starting on the
  20. 0:51business, you know, I saw a company was
  21. 0:53incorporated in 2021. So
  22. 0:56I am looking at your financial. So from
  23. 0:58where did this idea came that you know,
  24. 1:01I want to start into precision
  25. 1:03engineering for all defense, aerospace
  26. 1:05and railways thing. What is your
  27. 1:06background and how do you enter into
  28. 1:08this business?
  29. 1:10>> Tanmay,
  30. 1:12in fact,
  31. 1:13myself and Madhu, who is also a
  32. 1:15co-promoter, we actually met in way back
  33. 1:18in 2015. At that point of time, we felt
  34. 1:21that you know, we will jump into this
  35. 1:23entrepreneurial mode. So we got together
  36. 1:26and acquired this V3 Technologies based
  37. 1:29out of Bangalore. We had only five CNC
  38. 1:31machines. As we were growing over the
  39. 1:34period of years organically, we felt
  40. 1:36that it was time that we convert this
  41. 1:38company into private limited. You know,
  42. 1:41so in 2021, you know, we applied for the
  43. 1:44ROC for the name and V3 name was not
  44. 1:46available. So we had to coin this new
  45. 1:48company, Milworks Technologies Limited.
  46. 1:51So basically the company,
  47. 1:54you know, uh, the formation of uh, a
  48. 1:57private limited company happened only in
  49. 1:592021.
  50. 2:01So, uh, you know, as a passion for
  51. 2:03myself and Madhu, you know, we have
  52. 2:05been, uh, mechanical engineers for more
  53. 2:07than 25 years in this field. So, uh, our
  54. 2:11machining and, you know, our shop floor
  55. 2:13experience brought us, you know, let us
  56. 2:15get into this entrepreneurial spirit.
  57. 2:18And, uh, every opportunity which we got
  58. 2:21in terms of manufacturing over the
  59. 2:23period of years, we have taken risk and
  60. 2:25move forward. So, if you see from 2021
  61. 2:29to now, you know, we have been growing
  62. 2:31organically, you know,
  63. 2:33uh, initially with, uh,
  64. 2:35new CNC machines, you know, with two
  65. 2:37machines, four machines added year on
  66. 2:39year. And then, in, uh, you know,
  67. 2:42uh, in 2022, we added our second plant.
  68. 2:45And, uh, 2024, we added our third plant.
  69. 2:48And then, 2025, our fourth plant. So,
  70. 2:51the growth has been phenomenal. And
  71. 2:53based on the market requirements and the
  72. 2:56existing customers who have been, uh,
  73. 2:59you know, uh, encouraging us to grow to
  74. 3:02the next level. So, the existing
  75. 3:04customers, you know, kept on, uh, you
  76. 3:06know, giving us new inquiries, new
  77. 3:08orders,
  78. 3:09uh, volume increase. And, uh, you know,
  79. 3:11we have been delivering a quality
  80. 3:13product with the
  81. 3:14uh, you know, with an on-time delivery
  82. 3:17performance. So, again, repeat orders
  83. 3:20keep coming in, uh, with this, uh,
  84. 3:23with this nature.
  85. 3:26>> Got it. So, before jumping on the
  86. 3:28segments of the business, the name
  87. 3:29Millworks, what is the,
  88. 3:31uh, you know, thesis of this name?
  89. 3:33>> Uh, milling is one of the basic
  90. 3:35operation, uh, of a machining. Uh,
  91. 3:38turning, turning is one of the operation
  92. 3:40which, uh, is also a part of the mini
  93. 3:43machining. So, what happened was, uh,
  94. 3:46coining the Millworks, you know, we had
  95. 3:48to, you know, uh, we have more of
  96. 3:50milling activities. And more milling is
  97. 3:52a complex
  98. 3:53uh, machining process with three axis,
  99. 3:55four axis, and five axis. So, we use we
  100. 3:58coined this word and you know you know
  101. 4:01you see the you know we have been lucky
  102. 4:03that the brand has been taken that to
  103. 4:06the national and international level
  104. 4:08now.
  105. 4:09>> Got it. So, now jumping on the four
  106. 4:11segments of your business, one you do is
  107. 4:13aerospace, second you do is defense,
  108. 4:15third you do is railways, and fourth you
  109. 4:17do is semiconductor. So, can you
  110. 4:18elaborate on four of these segments?
  111. 4:22>> Uh yeah. You first I will talk about the
  112. 4:25defense sector of business. We have been
  113. 4:27working with uh
  114. 4:29uh the defense companies India. And we
  115. 4:32have more than 12 companies in defense
  116. 4:35sector in a base out of Israel. So, the
  117. 4:38defense sector growth we are seeing in
  118. 4:40last 2 years significantly very high.
  119. 4:43And the inquiries which we receive and
  120. 4:47then converting get into orders and
  121. 4:49delivering them. So, we feel that
  122. 4:52we are in the right time at the you know
  123. 4:54right
  124. 4:55sector. And the growth has been very
  125. 4:57phenomenal.
  126. 4:58Over the period of time, you know, we
  127. 5:00also see the saw the drone sector also
  128. 5:03growing in uh electronic warfare and
  129. 5:08you know these type of
  130. 5:10newer this thing we have wanted to be a
  131. 5:13part of this journey. So, in last 1 year
  132. 5:16we felt that you know the drone sector
  133. 5:18we had to be because we had uh
  134. 5:20experience in the machining of the drone
  135. 5:22components. Either a BLDC part or a
  136. 5:25machining a composite part or a plastic
  137. 5:28or a 3D dimensional you know 3D printed
  138. 5:30parts. So, we had experience in these
  139. 5:33areas. So, why not look out for a
  140. 5:35company where we can add value
  141. 5:38you know join them and and build I know
  142. 5:42a complete drone. So, this is where you
  143. 5:44know we made a small investment in the
  144. 5:46defense sector.
  145. 5:48And we have been growing at much faster,
  146. 5:53I know, 2x, 3x year-on-year with the
  147. 5:55defense sector. So, we are going to grow
  148. 5:58this sector in the future,
  149. 6:01you know, in the coming days. Coming to
  150. 6:03the aerospace sector, in the aerospace
  151. 6:05sector, we work with like sector
  152. 6:07companies in India. Also, as a tier two
  153. 6:11companies to the aerospace sector in
  154. 6:15India as well as in Europe. So, this
  155. 6:18also has been growing
  156. 6:21at a much faster rate. Here, the
  157. 6:23precisions are very high precision
  158. 6:26components requirement. At this point,
  159. 6:31we do not have a controlled atmosphere
  160. 6:33facility. And
  161. 6:36you know, we are building up, you know,
  162. 6:38controlled atmosphere, that is
  163. 6:40air-conditioned plant with new machines
  164. 6:42coming in. So, aerospace sector requires
  165. 6:46you know,
  166. 6:47controlled atmosphere to machine
  167. 6:50components up to 2 microns to 5 microns.
  168. 6:53Presently, we are working between 10 to
  169. 6:5515 microns without an air-conditioning
  170. 6:57facility.
  171. 6:59The third sector is the rail sector,
  172. 7:01which has been our bread and butter for
  173. 7:03over the period of years. So, we have
  174. 7:05been working with the multinational
  175. 7:07companies, OEMs
  176. 7:09in India and Europe. In the rail sector,
  177. 7:12we have been exporting to almost 12
  178. 7:14countries in Europe, US and Canada.
  179. 7:18So, the components which we are making
  180. 7:21goes into the braking systems, couplers,
  181. 7:25the door parts, the pantographs,
  182. 7:28actuators, you know, all these parts go
  183. 7:30into a
  184. 7:32critical
  185. 7:33you know, critical assembly of train.
  186. 7:38Either it's a metro train or you know,
  187. 7:42of those long-distance trains.
  188. 7:47So, we are proud to be, you know, in
  189. 7:49India and abroad, whether it's, you
  190. 7:50know, in Europe our parts are there in
  191. 7:53most of the,
  192. 7:55I know, most of the trains. So, rail
  193. 7:59sector is going to be There will be a
  194. 8:02growth, you know, in the coming days. We
  195. 8:04see that this sector growth will also uh
  196. 8:09uh you know, it's part of our
  197. 8:12Government of India's Atmanirbhar uh
  198. 8:14this thing. You can see now the
  199. 8:16high-speed train coming in. We are part
  200. 8:18of this
  201. 8:19uh
  202. 8:20you know, developing parts for the
  203. 8:22high-speed trains. Or, you know, we are
  204. 8:25going to We are part of this Vande
  205. 8:26Bharat or Amrit Bharat Express. So, our
  206. 8:28components are going into these trains.
  207. 8:31So, this will also grow. The last sector
  208. 8:34what we see is the semiconductor
  209. 8:36machinery. So, I want to clarify over
  210. 8:38here our parts go into the semiconductor
  211. 8:41machines, you know, the machines which
  212. 8:43is used to build the chips or any of
  213. 8:46those. So, we are We don't make uh we
  214. 8:49are not directly part of any
  215. 8:50semiconductor industry, but the machines
  216. 8:52which goes into the semiconductor
  217. 8:54manufacturing. So, our parts which are
  218. 8:56the frames and, you know, machine
  219. 8:58components and all these type of parts
  220. 9:00go into
  221. 9:02uh the people who are manufacturing
  222. 9:04machines for the semiconductor industry.
  223. 9:06So, this is the four verticals which we
  224. 9:09are presently working. The
  225. 9:11uh you know, the top notch what we are
  226. 9:13seeing in the growth factor
  227. 9:15uh year on year, 100x, you know, 1x, 2x,
  228. 9:18you know, we'll be You'll be seeing that
  229. 9:20more in in the defense sector.
  230. 9:23>> Got it. So, I was also seeing your
  231. 9:26revenue bifurcation per sector and that
  232. 9:27has been fairly volatile, you know, uh
  233. 9:30FY 25 so semiconductor being a decently
  234. 9:32large portion and which has came down
  235. 9:33and also defense has now scaled up. So,
  236. 9:36uh how do you see this revenue mix uh
  237. 9:39going forward?
  238. 9:41>> Uh present order book what we see is
  239. 9:44number one will be in the defense sector
  240. 9:47and
  241. 9:48most of the businesses are coming from
  242. 9:50our export customers in Israel as well
  243. 9:53as some of the customers in Europe. So,
  244. 9:55this is going to be the number one
  245. 9:58business as we go in
  246. 10:0026 27 and 27 28. The order books are
  247. 10:04phenomenal and new inquiries are being
  248. 10:07generated here. The second thing is uh
  249. 10:10the aerospace sector itself. So, we have
  250. 10:13been selected as part of
  251. 10:17you know, once I know part of some of
  252. 10:20the important projects in France as well
  253. 10:22as in Germany. So, this will also grow.
  254. 10:26Uh
  255. 10:26rail sector growth you will see I know
  256. 10:30you will not see a significant growth
  257. 10:32but it will grow. Semiconductor being a
  258. 10:35part of a machinery business, it will
  259. 10:37remain more or less in the same
  260. 10:38percentage. You will not see that much
  261. 10:40growth
  262. 10:41uh numbers coming in in the
  263. 10:42semiconductor machinery business.
  264. 10:46>> So, so we can you know, sort of an
  265. 10:47assume that 50 to 60% is sort of a
  266. 10:50revenue I know bifurcation should be
  267. 10:53towards the defense and around 20 30% on
  268. 10:55the aerospace and rest 20 20% on railway
  269. 10:58plus semiconductor if I'm getting it
  270. 10:59correct.
  271. 11:01>> Exactly. Semiconductor will be in the
  272. 11:03single digit.
  273. 11:04Defense sector will be 50 plus.
  274. 11:06Aerospace will be between 25 to 30 and
  275. 11:09around 15 to 20% will be in the rail
  276. 11:11sector.
  277. 11:13>> Got it.
  278. 11:14Uh sir,
  279. 11:16I was seeing your financials you know,
  280. 11:17so the trade receivables which I saw
  281. 11:20have been fairly spiked up. So, like
  282. 11:23around 6 7 months of receivable we are
  283. 11:25standing and there is a logical reason
  284. 11:27which I feel
  285. 11:29is that two billing for our company is
  286. 11:31about 70 or percent or 80% of the
  287. 11:34revenue
  288. 11:35which whose billings get generated the
  289. 11:38cash flow comes in in the H1 of the next
  290. 11:39financial. So, this H1 FY27. Is my
  291. 11:42understanding correct and
  292. 11:43what steps are we taking forward to
  293. 11:46either reduce or manage this stretch
  294. 11:48working capital cycle?
  295. 11:51>> Uh the Tanmay initially when we moved
  296. 11:54into the sub-assemblies and assemblies
  297. 11:56and project management business, there's
  298. 11:59a calculated risk which we have taken
  299. 12:03where in which
  300. 12:04a large portion of the business will be
  301. 12:07delivered on the completion of
  302. 12:10the orders.
  303. 12:11If you take
  304. 12:13our drone business itself, we work with
  305. 12:16the government of India's Ministry of
  306. 12:18Defense. Where in which the government
  307. 12:20doesn't give us any advance payments or
  308. 12:23anything, you know, 50-60 crores you
  309. 12:25know, in a small project itself
  310. 12:28is being paid only on delivery. And this
  311. 12:31projects normally go between 8 to 10
  312. 12:33months. So, a lot of working capital
  313. 12:35gets stuck over here
  314. 12:37and this is one
  315. 12:39one of the reason and why the
  316. 12:42receivables are very high in this year
  317. 12:45is we made a large amount of billing in
  318. 12:48the month of March for the
  319. 12:52for the quick pay and in turn they are
  320. 12:54now billing into the MOD. So, a large
  321. 12:57amount of money is expected month end
  322. 13:01and in the first week of
  323. 13:04August. And coming to our
  324. 13:07Israel and European customers, we had a
  325. 13:1090 to 120 days credit lines with them.
  326. 13:14With the volatility and the uncertainty
  327. 13:17what we are seeing in Europe right now,
  328. 13:20all the shipping lines most of the most
  329. 13:22of the products which we are shipping
  330. 13:24them they go in containers. These
  331. 13:26containers on the ocean shipment,
  332. 13:28they're all getting stuck in different
  333. 13:30places, either in Colombo port or in
  334. 13:33Haifa port or you know, different places
  335. 13:35of
  336. 13:37it is getting stuck and not getting
  337. 13:39delivered. So,
  338. 13:41you will you see that you know, our
  339. 13:43receivables
  340. 13:45are getting more delayed because the
  341. 13:48components are not delivered to the
  342. 13:50customer end.
  343. 13:51So, what we do we did is we cannot work
  344. 13:55in this way. So, we went back to our
  345. 13:57customers basically in Europe and uh
  346. 14:00uh
  347. 14:00in Israel and we asked them, we
  348. 14:02requested them you see
  349. 14:04our working capital requirements are
  350. 14:06getting stuck. Why don't you help us
  351. 14:08with advanced payments?
  352. 14:10So, April onwards in this current year,
  353. 14:13all orders which we are receiving from
  354. 14:15Israel, we are getting a 30% advanced
  355. 14:18payments. So,
  356. 14:21so our cash flow will be much better and
  357. 14:24we need not wait for the deliverables.
  358. 14:27Also,
  359. 14:28we made it mandatory this you know, that
  360. 14:31we make it
  361. 14:33all the parts going into Israel are
  362. 14:35being airlifted. It is not going by
  363. 14:37ocean ship. We don't want to make it
  364. 14:39even though all our business is
  365. 14:41ex-works. We you know, it's from the
  366. 14:43date of invoicing. We don't take care of
  367. 14:46the logistics you know, the logistics on
  368. 14:49the exports is all ex-works. So, it's up
  369. 14:52to them to take it by
  370. 14:54ocean or by air. So, now we have made it
  371. 14:57a mandatory that you know, our money
  372. 14:59also doesn't get locked in so that
  373. 15:03you know, we requested our customers
  374. 15:06to airlift all those components and make
  375. 15:09our payment you know, within our time 60
  376. 15:12or 90 days. So, this is one part. The
  377. 15:15second part is we are unable to make any
  378. 15:19uh uh, you know, cash flow improvements
  379. 15:22on any of our government of India's uh
  380. 15:24uh
  381. 15:25projects, MOD's or MOD projects or
  382. 15:27BrahMos projects, you know, they uh, you
  383. 15:30know, our money is going to
  384. 15:33get stuck here for 6 to 8 months on the
  385. 15:36projects. Whether it is drones or the
  386. 15:38missile systems for the BrahMos, these
  387. 15:40are all project-based uh things where
  388. 15:43more than getting money, we are supposed
  389. 15:45to give advance bank guarantees, you
  390. 15:47know, bank guarantees. 10% of the tender
  391. 15:50money is also getting stuck over there.
  392. 15:53Uh, this is a system which we have to
  393. 15:54live in and we have to work on
  394. 15:58higher margins and uh work out on the
  395. 16:00inventory carrying costs. Uh, you build
  396. 16:03that in in the product costing itself.
  397. 16:06So, this is how we are going to work
  398. 16:08with all the projects which we are going
  399. 16:10to work with the government of India.
  400. 16:13>> That gives a lot of clarity and actually
  401. 16:15my next question was supposed to be on
  402. 16:16the BGs and you have, you know, fairly
  403. 16:18touched upon the point.
  404. 16:19Uh
  405. 16:20I was also looking the numbers, the
  406. 16:22difference between your DRHP and RHP
  407. 16:24numbers. The 2 months numbers have been
  408. 16:26around the 40% of your combined revenue.
  409. 16:29So,
  410. 16:30uh so, like I I assume H1 end of FY27 or
  411. 16:33very early H2, we should see the
  412. 16:35payments and cash flows coming in. But,
  413. 16:37uh I feel it is fair to assume there is
  414. 16:39no sort of any worry on the uh money
  415. 16:41getting stuck beyond the limit is what
  416. 16:43is fair to assume, right?
  417. 16:44>> Yeah. Yeah, you know, so, uh you know,
  418. 16:47the major portion portion of this money
  419. 16:49right now is uh
  420. 16:51uh more than 50% or more than 60% of
  421. 16:54this money receivables is stuck with the
  422. 16:55government of India MOD's uh this thing.
  423. 16:58And uh that will get closed because this
  424. 17:00is one project, you know, which got uh
  425. 17:04uh the money got stuck over here. Uh as
  426. 17:07part of the all the Israeli customers,
  427. 17:10you know, all the funds are all flowing,
  428. 17:12you know, in last 1 1 and 1/2 months,
  429. 17:14funds are flowing fairly well.
  430. 17:19>> All right. Uh
  431. 17:19>> also coming on this you know I was
  432. 17:21seeing
  433. 17:23there is a concern among you know
  434. 17:24there's a company called as Quickpay
  435. 17:26from which we you derive around the 47%
  436. 17:29revenue and so so what is this sort of
  437. 17:31an arrangement with this company?
  438. 17:34>> What we did was as I mentioned earlier
  439. 17:37Quickpay is a drone manufacturing
  440. 17:39company based out of Noida. Presently
  441. 17:43they are working on a 190 sets of
  442. 17:46loitering munition order from the
  443. 17:48artillery division of uh
  444. 17:50uh
  445. 17:51government of India MOD's order. So when
  446. 17:55we were looking out for strategic
  447. 17:57investments and looking out for to be in
  448. 17:59the defense sector area we found that
  449. 18:02you know uh
  450. 18:04as part of this thing you know we could
  451. 18:07help them we could help Quickpay
  452. 18:11quickly deliver uh
  453. 18:13uh you know the drones which they
  454. 18:14already have an order. So
  455. 18:18the skill sets of Milworks and Quickpay
  456. 18:22they match together to form a team. And
  457. 18:26Milworks is really good in machining you
  458. 18:28know of important components either in
  459. 18:32composites or
  460. 18:34aluminum parts which goes into this
  461. 18:36drone.
  462. 18:37Uh there are some smaller electronic
  463. 18:40modules like battery management systems
  464. 18:44or the autopilot Well we gained this
  465. 18:47over the period of time we built this
  466. 18:49capability to build our own in-house uh
  467. 18:53uh
  468. 18:54battery management system or
  469. 18:56the autopilots. So we helped build
  470. 19:00you know the drones for
  471. 19:03Quickpay with
  472. 19:04the engineering support and you know the
  473. 19:06prototypes and in last eight months we
  474. 19:09worked on this.
  475. 19:11As part of the strategic investment, we
  476. 19:13also hold small minority stake in
  477. 19:16QuickPay Limited. Uh
  478. 19:19so, you know, we are going to work on
  479. 19:22along with them in a long-term
  480. 19:24perspective building uh
  481. 19:27you know, engine-based
  482. 19:28uh drones,
  483. 19:30high-end drones, you know, combining our
  484. 19:32capability as well as their capability.
  485. 19:36Uh QuickPay is very strong in uh the
  486. 19:39software part of uh the drone. Uh either
  487. 19:43building a logic or
  488. 19:46you know, building all the systems which
  489. 19:48is required into the
  490. 19:51you know, electronic warfare system.
  491. 19:53Presently, the entire defense industry
  492. 19:55is working on a EW warfare. So, QuickPay
  493. 19:58is really good in uh
  494. 20:01you know, building this into the drone
  495. 20:03system. And this has been proven, you
  496. 20:05know, again and again with more and more
  497. 20:07product lines which we have which they
  498. 20:09have already built. Uh the facility in
  499. 20:13Noida is
  500. 20:14uh the Ministry of Defense uh
  501. 20:17uh approved license is there available
  502. 20:19and then they have been building this
  503. 20:21for some time now.
  504. 20:22And uh
  505. 20:24uh there is a large project which they
  506. 20:26are delivering a later part of this uh
  507. 20:29month wherein which uh
  508. 20:30from the component level, sub-assembly
  509. 20:33level, and
  510. 20:35uh you know, on the product level, we
  511. 20:36have supported them. And uh in the month
  512. 20:39of March, we we made uh you know, we
  513. 20:42made all these assemblies and
  514. 20:44sub-assemblies and delivered them in the
  515. 20:47month of March. So, now they are ready
  516. 20:49to deliver and
  517. 20:51uh the MOD is presently at this moment
  518. 20:54is uh inspecting all those components
  519. 20:57before dispatch.
  520. 20:59>> So, actually I was reading about
  521. 21:00QuickPay, you know, in the ROC. And I'm
  522. 21:03assuming the details won't be, you know,
  523. 21:04that great with me, but
  524. 21:06you know, whatever details I could look
  525. 21:08at currently it is a fairly small
  526. 21:10company and obviously with this audit
  527. 21:12should go big but
  528. 21:15do you feel the company is fairly
  529. 21:16capitalized on one part and second part
  530. 21:18of this would be obviously they are not
  531. 21:21going to pre-pay you. They are going to
  532. 21:23pay you after they receive the cash flow
  533. 21:25from MOD.
  534. 21:26That actually you know, spikes up the
  535. 21:29entire working at WC for you because you
  536. 21:32know, I am assuming the payment should
  537. 21:34be around 10 9 to 12 because that they
  538. 21:36should receive in about 6 to 8 months.
  539. 21:38>> So you know, you know, Tanmay what
  540. 21:41happens is being an MSME sector the
  541. 21:45first project or you know, successful
  542. 21:48you know, second or third project when
  543. 21:51large project comes it is always between
  544. 21:54how you manage the business. This is
  545. 21:57where you know, Milworks has come in in
  546. 22:00in terms with an arrangement with
  547. 22:02QuickPay. So
  548. 22:04the way the MOD's tender this thing is
  549. 22:08with them is 60% of the payment is paid
  550. 22:12before dispatch. So you know, this is we
  551. 22:15have an arrangement back-to-back
  552. 22:17payments cycle to be received from
  553. 22:20QuickPay to
  554. 22:22to us. So this project we are helping
  555. 22:26them you know, successfully deliver
  556. 22:28keeping uh
  557. 22:29our own skill sets in place. But going
  558. 22:32further you know,
  559. 22:35we are going to help them in a in a
  560. 22:37slightly different way, you know,
  561. 22:39helping them with their own
  562. 22:42banking you know, banking support either
  563. 22:46in terms of debt or any of those. But we
  564. 22:50will have to support them continuously
  565. 22:53as the next projects are more than you
  566. 22:55know, as large projects. They are more
  567. 22:57than 100 crore projects where they will
  568. 22:59require you know,
  569. 23:02technical assistance in terms of
  570. 23:04mechanical parts or, you know, 3D
  571. 23:06printed parts, you know, such type of
  572. 23:08parts they will require. So, we will
  573. 23:10collaborate with them and work in a
  574. 23:12you know, much better way.
  575. 23:15>> Got it. So, thanks for the clarity
  576. 23:17because I was seeing, you know, our
  577. 23:19company being in the limelight as our
  578. 23:21IPO has been declared, but this is one
  579. 23:23sort of a thing on Quickplay which
  580. 23:25everyone is having a concern and you
  581. 23:26know, I feel this has been pretty well
  582. 23:28answered. Uh
  583. 23:30my next question would be we are on a
  584. 23:32very
  585. 23:33very vast sort of a product portfolio
  586. 23:35and four different segments and fairly
  587. 23:37contributing in the
  588. 23:39So, what do you new segments or sub
  589. 23:41segments you Milworks is expecting 1
  590. 23:44years or 2 years down the line we should
  591. 23:46enter or expand into those?
  592. 23:49>> So, what we what we presently seeing,
  593. 23:53you know, pre-COVID what happened is we
  594. 23:56were very active
  595. 23:58in the rail sector. And then there was a
  596. 24:01Boeing Max scenario came in between '21
  597. 24:05and '22. And if we are there in one
  598. 24:08single segment and working on this,
  599. 24:11there's always,
  600. 24:12you know, the business model dripping,
  601. 24:15you know, going down, you know. So,
  602. 24:18I've seen companies who were who were
  603. 24:21only into aerospace when it came prior
  604. 24:23to
  605. 24:25prior to COVID and just after COVID, you
  606. 24:28know, their revenue decreased. Uh
  607. 24:31but if we see our own this thing, you
  608. 24:33know, during COVID time we actually
  609. 24:35doubled our top line and order bookings
  610. 24:37also we we grew up. So, it is always
  611. 24:40good to be in multiple uh
  612. 24:43uh segments and we intend to be in
  613. 24:46multiple segments. Now, in defense
  614. 24:48sector right now we have been working
  615. 24:51only on the component level business and
  616. 24:53our future is now we want to get into
  617. 24:57assemblies, sub-assemblies. Component is
  618. 25:00going to be there as part of
  619. 25:03you know assembly.
  620. 25:04But there are opportunities where in
  621. 25:06which our customers have come back to
  622. 25:09build in you know fuselage systems or
  623. 25:13large missile carrier systems. Wherein
  624. 25:16which a machine component, sheet metal
  625. 25:18component, bought out items, you do a
  626. 25:20welding or riveting or you know such
  627. 25:23type of plastic critical items. So we
  628. 25:26intend to be you know in that league in
  629. 25:29the defense sector.
  630. 25:31That we intend we have a strategic
  631. 25:33roadmap in place with post IPO
  632. 25:36investments in
  633. 25:38adding new machineries which is part of
  634. 25:40our
  635. 25:42you know investment plan.
  636. 25:45So we will be growing in that sector.
  637. 25:47And coming back to the aerospace sector,
  638. 25:50we feel that presently many of
  639. 25:53the parts which we are supplying we are
  640. 25:55on the tier two for the top notch
  641. 25:58aerospace companies either in France or
  642. 26:00in the US. So our intention is when we
  643. 26:04put up a controlled atmosphere facility,
  644. 26:07we will now be in the big league to
  645. 26:09supply components, sub-assemblies and
  646. 26:11assemblies to the top aerospace
  647. 26:14companies. So these are the two sectors
  648. 26:17which we will be focusing in next three
  649. 26:19years and growing at will grow at a much
  650. 26:23faster rate.
  651. 26:25>> Got it. And I was also reading about you
  652. 26:28know the supply chain shift happening
  653. 26:29from the US and North European aerospace
  654. 26:32and defense component companies to
  655. 26:34countries like India because I was even
  656. 26:36I read about spirit, you know.
  657. 26:40I would say manpower or labor cost on
  658. 26:43their overall balance sheet has now on
  659. 26:45their P&L has been to about 30-40% odd
  660. 26:47in India which is at about 5-6 4 to 7%
  661. 26:50anywhere between that. So we should just
  662. 26:53be able to assume that lot of supply
  663. 26:54chain shifts are happening even on the
  664. 26:57commercial aerospace but obviously
  665. 26:59there are lot more qualifications on
  666. 27:01that end but military as well as
  667. 27:02commercial or that ecosystem is coming
  668. 27:04in India if we 5 years down the line it
  669. 27:06should be pretty large.
  670. 27:09>> I agree with you Tanmay. So, we see that
  671. 27:12you know with the announcement of the
  672. 27:14IPO itself we are seeing that newer
  673. 27:17companies are also coming in
  674. 27:20but as of now we are not geared up for
  675. 27:23deliverables because we need to build up
  676. 27:25the infrastructure. It will take 6 to 8
  677. 27:28months and post that you know we can you
  678. 27:31know we can focus on the new inquiries
  679. 27:33coming in.
  680. 27:35>> Any any sort of
  681. 27:37you know
  682. 27:39we are we are expecting to go into
  683. 27:40commercial aerospace components as well?
  684. 27:43>> We are presently doing for couple of US
  685. 27:47customers on the commercial side
  686. 27:50but again they're all on tier two. Now,
  687. 27:53what is happening here is
  688. 27:56you know as we move forward it we
  689. 27:59it is always good to have a strategic
  690. 28:01tie-up with a good
  691. 28:03you know good OEMs
  692. 28:06on developing some of the key components
  693. 28:09and then
  694. 28:11grow in that segment. You know I I want
  695. 28:13to I want to give an example like you
  696. 28:15know Azad Engineering has been really
  697. 28:18good you know I see them you know
  698. 28:20they make
  699. 28:22the blades for the engines you know
  700. 28:24which is
  701. 28:25which is not everyone can do it and they
  702. 28:28have specialized over the period of time
  703. 28:30and then either it's a turbine blade or
  704. 28:32an engine blade they have top notch
  705. 28:35you know and the customers
  706. 28:37across the world you know across the
  707. 28:39world across the competition you know
  708. 28:42they come for the product
  709. 28:45them. So, we intend to follow you know,
  710. 28:48some of the learnings and
  711. 28:54specialized and not to be, I mean, you
  712. 28:57know, some of the
  713. 28:59sector itself.
  714. 29:01>> Got it, sir. Before letting you go, I
  715. 29:03know I would wish, I know, wish you all
  716. 29:06the best for your IPO and I'm expecting
  717. 29:09a blockbuster debut.
  718. 29:11So, like uh my last question would be
  719. 29:14what sort of a growth prospects do you
  720. 29:16expect going forward because I'm seeing
  721. 29:19that two things. First is that past
  722. 29:20growth has been exponentially
  723. 29:23and the working capital estimates, you
  724. 29:24know, RSP also suggest
  725. 29:27basically even a very high growth on
  726. 29:29even that larger base. So, what sort of
  727. 29:31an expectations investors
  728. 29:33[clears throat] coming forward on the
  729. 29:34capital should expect?
  730. 29:37>> So, what I am presently seeing here is
  731. 29:42next to two years we intend to double
  732. 29:44our top line keeping the bottom line
  733. 29:47same, you know, so
  734. 29:49you know, just by, you know, being in
  735. 29:53these existing
  736. 29:55projects. But, we will we will take a
  737. 29:57risk into new projects, new business
  738. 30:00lines over the period of time. So,
  739. 30:02anyway, thank you very much Tanmay for
  740. 30:04your time.

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