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0:00Everybody sitting here, you are the new
0:01OG's. OG's. The internet is who you go
0:04up against when you a real [ __ ]
0:06>> Young people don't trust us.
0:08>> Why should they though? Cuz they
0:09confused. Like this [ __ ] got the lace
0:11front. This [ __ ] taking off.
0:13>> Yeah.
0:14>> But a [ __ ] with a low fade. That [ __ ]
0:15going to take him a minute. So it's
0:16confusing.
0:18>> Whatever you do in fashion, I respect it
0:19cuz it's art. The purses is kind of
0:21wild, man.
0:22>> I don't I don't have those. Wear what
0:24you want. But when you get out, you know
0:25it. You know people going to have the
0:27thing. You know, they going to have
0:28their things to say. It's difficult to
0:29really break through the space. You got
0:31to have something that either connects
0:32to people or you got to have some type
0:33of hook and some people going for the
0:36hook. I try to connect the frequency.
0:38>> Like it's no etiquette in like in the
0:39studio when an artist is focused or
0:42whatever. Like you got all these [ __ ]
0:43in here like bro shut the [ __ ] up. Why
0:45are all y'all [ __ ] in here you don't
0:46do nothing? And I came from Atlanta
0:48where [ __ ] you got to have respect.
0:49You get hit in your mouth.
0:50>> [ __ ] ain't getting hit in the mouth no
0:51more. You can't really do that. I think
0:53if there were consequences to a lot of
0:54these actions that people do, these
0:56whole activities, these [ __ ] ass
0:58actions, if there were consequences to
1:00you not standing on principle, it would
1:02be more people standing on principle.
1:08Live from Revolt Studios in the ATL,
1:11it's time for big facts. Big bank is
1:13here. DJ Scream is here. Special guest
1:15in the building, Trinidad James is here.
1:17We got Best. They are coming together to
1:20the group best dressed, right? And of
1:23course, Vice City representing that
1:24Midwest is in the building, too.
1:26>> You know what I mean? Clap it up for the
1:27brothers. Clap it up for the brother.
1:28>> Hey, hey, hey. What's going on,
1:29gentlemen? How y'all feeling?
1:31>> About time, man.
1:32>> Y'all ain't interviewing me. I'm
1:33interviewing y'all. That's
1:34>> This is a conversation. [laughter] This
1:35a conversation. Oh, you going to start
1:37it up? Go ahead, kick it off.
1:38>> Well, I mean, the first things first,
1:40it's good to see y'all in face
1:41>> because we do a lot of internet now,
1:43right? And um
1:45>> uh for me I want to say this you know
1:47just rest in peace to our boy Ally just
1:50I just I have to say that like I've been
1:53able to anybody that I've worked with
1:54when you work with somebody that I think
1:56bank can relate to the screen you can
1:57relate to even you when you collab or
1:59whatever like that's a bond that we a
2:01decision that we make unspoken
2:03>> to to ride for each other in a type of
2:05way because we got a song together we
2:06made a kid together pause respectfully
2:08you know what I'm saying we got a thing
2:09together and so
2:11>> um when we lose lose that person. Um
2:15it's it it you don't feel the way the
2:18person say like a family member feel.
2:19But it is still like family though
2:21because we did we did this music
2:23together this thing that we love so much
2:24together. So I just wanted to to set it
2:26off top of like
2:27>> being able to see in your face. I was
2:29just at the restaurant. You know what
2:30I'm saying? Shout out to the the
2:32restaurant. We want to go there after
2:33this. Give me you give that salmon. That
2:36salmon crazy if y'all [ __ ] don't know
2:37about that salmon. Um but no it's it's
2:40beautiful to be here man. It's beautiful
2:41to see transition and to see, you know,
2:46different versions of graduation.
2:48[laughter]
2:48>> Appreciate it, brother.
2:49>> You know what I'm saying? No, it's
2:50blessing, man.
2:52>> Hey, man. I'm happy to be here, bro.
2:53Like, I uh like I said, me and X, I was
2:55talking to him. I saw you get in the
2:57movie and it's good to see a cat that
2:58come up how we come up and make that
3:00transition. Um, we met in LA a minute
3:02ago. Yes, sir.
3:03>> You know, and it was like good. And you
3:04gave me some real good advice. I think I
3:06was out. I was still trapping. You was
3:07like, "Man, just keep rocking on your
3:08music. Keep going. It's going to
3:10happen." And I'm like, "All right." He
3:11said, "Just cuz it's not I don't even
3:12know if you remember this." He said, "It
3:14might not be the traditional way, but if
3:15it's in you, if it's in you, you going
3:17to get it." And I'm like, "Damn, that's
3:19dope." And um, yeah, we here, man.
3:21Period. You know, so happy to be here,
3:24man. I I watch the podcast. I love what
3:25y'all is doing.
3:27>> [ __ ] is fire, boy.
3:29>> What's going on, y'all? I'm Beth. Um,
3:32and [ __ ] I've known this crazy dude for
3:3411 years. We met out in LA. Um, and I'm
3:37a producer. I started producing with
3:39him. You know, that's how we link just
3:40on some music stuff. Had a crazy session
3:43with this dude. And um this [ __ ] said
3:46the craziest [ __ ] to me off the top. I I
3:48did a million sessions. This [ __ ] said,
3:50"Uh, play me the craziest [ __ ] nobody
3:52can ever write to." Just it's some real
3:54like when you think back about it's like
3:56some movie [ __ ] Some [ __ ] come in with
3:57this crazy ass big ass afro crazy. Hey
3:59man, play me the craziest thing that
4:02nobody can attack. And I had never heard
4:04it. I work with all these writers.
4:05Everybody's basically wants the same
4:06thing. They want to copycat [ __ ] and he
4:09came in and destroyed these crazy beats.
4:11Um, and then we kind of, it's one of
4:13them things where it's like, oh, this is
4:14my, you see right away this my tribe
4:17right away. Like,
4:19you know, you do all these sessions.
4:20Some people cool, but man, it was just
4:22like right away. Um, you know, and
4:24saying to see I'm I'm honored to be here
4:26cuz I lived in Atlanta for a little bit,
4:28had my time here, but we actually linked
4:30in LA and, you know, for us to come back
4:32here and have this thing here is really
4:34dope. you know, debuting the group, you
4:36know what I'm saying? Together here in
4:38Atlanta is really dope and beautiful.
4:39>> Can we Can we do our intro? Can we do
4:41our intro? How
4:42>> I got an intro.
4:42>> We got [laughter] Listen, you got It
4:45wouldn't be right if we didn't do it.
4:46>> We're professional. You know what I'm
4:47saying? Like, all right. All right. All
4:49right.
4:50>> All right. Now, world. What's going on?
4:51Yo, I am best.
4:52>> I'm dressed and we are best dressed.
4:55>> Come on now. [laughter]
4:56>> Continue.
4:57>> You heard? You heard?
4:58>> I ain't got no intro, bro. I ain't I
5:00ain't cold like that, bro. I'm just
5:02city. You already know what it is, boy.
5:03[laughter]
5:04Give me that water.
5:05>> Now listen, man. Um, we had an episode a
5:08few weeks ago, and this is the perfect
5:10start to this conversation, right? We
5:11had a episode a few weeks ago. We were
5:13just trying to understand fashion and
5:15where fashion is and where it's going
5:17and so forth, right? Where where I left
5:19off with it was me personally,
5:23whatever you do in fashion, I respect it
5:24cuz it's art. I'm cool with it, right?
5:27>> But I am a little confused about one
5:28thing.
5:29>> Yes, sir.
5:30And and and know if y'all do this, I'm
5:33just we just keep it real because it's
5:34good.
5:35>> Yeah.
5:36>> The purses is kind of wild, man.
5:38>> Okay. Purses.
5:39>> Do y'all carry purses? If y'all do, you
5:41know you carry purses, but like you
5:43understand what I'm saying though. Not
5:44like a not like a little like the homie
5:46is carry
5:46>> talking about like the Chanel
5:49car purses like
5:51>> I don't have those. I don't I don't have
5:53those. Um,
5:56>> the bags, the bags that I have, he got
6:00more bags than me, but like the bags
6:02that that draw to me that I have, um,
6:05how I grew up, that would be considered
6:07a purse.
6:08>> Where I'm at now mentally when it come
6:10to fashion is like, nah, the way that I
6:13carry it, the way that I'm holding is
6:14like first I'm not even thinking about
6:17>> how it's coming across. But to me, I
6:19think it's like levels of it.
6:20>> Whereas like certain things I truly do
6:23like, bro, that's for
6:24>> Yeah.
6:24>> for a woman. Like, let her have that.
6:26That's I could say that. You know what
6:27I'm saying? Like with these nails, with
6:29everything that I have, it's certain
6:31things that like I It's really a ton of
6:33things cuz I work with so many women.
6:35All I do is help women in the industry,
6:37rich women.
6:38>> And speaking of you help like sexy red,
6:40you sexy even newer than that. Like I've
6:43been working with Brisk, you know,
6:44brisk, you know what I'm saying? Like,
6:46>> you know what I'm saying? Shout out. You
6:47know, that's that's hometown. That's
6:48home. You know what I'm saying? Um, and
6:51the reason why I've been doing it with
6:53bro for a while, too, is because you
6:56can't understand how to have patience
6:58for a woman until you have to do
6:59something you have to have patience with
7:01other than a child.
7:02>> H
7:03>> self-care is patience.
7:06It takes time. You have to sit there and
7:08get your hair done, blah blah blah. Time
7:10to think, you understand when you go
7:11through it for yourself and it becomes
7:13like I get paid to look like this. It's
7:15my job,
7:16>> right? So now when I go work or deal
7:18with a woman period, however, the things
7:20that I realize get make people
7:23aggravated and things like this because
7:24like well [ __ ] you don't understand. So
7:26now taking back to what we're talking
7:27about with the bag and the purse,
7:29>> how I feel is that
7:32the Chanel clutches and things like
7:33that, like you said, do whatever you
7:35going to do cuz y'all [ __ ] going to do
7:36it anyway.
7:37>> We already passed it. It's already in
7:38the field,
7:39>> right?
7:39>> Y'all [ __ ] doing what y'all want to
7:41do. However, like when Thug wore a
7:42dress, he did what he wanted to do.
7:45>> He did what he wanted to do. do, you
7:46know, your freedom to do what you want.
7:48>> You know what I'm saying? So, it's like
7:50the expression
7:53um of when you see uh a man masculine or
7:58not or whatever because I don't got
8:00nothing against nobody.
8:01>> Um it's kind of more of I more care
8:03about your intention than the piece.
8:05That's what I'm trying to say to you. So
8:07whether it's Chanel small thing like
8:09Future be wearing now on his belt or
8:11whether it's clutch up under his arm
8:12like ASAP Rocky that's $25,000
8:16or $250,000 Birkkins or whatever. You
8:19know what I'm saying for real back in
8:21the day when he had the purple Birkin
8:22and the first person put the big A
8:24Birkin is a woman's bag gang.
8:27>> I mean I just
8:28>> it's a woman's bag especially back then
8:30but he made a thing cool you know. So
8:32that's how I feel. How you feel?
8:34>> Yeah. I mean, I feel like you just wear
8:36whatever you want to wear. I don't
8:37really care what nobody think.
8:39It's just that simple. If you if you
8:41wear whatever you want, nobody don't got
8:44no dominion over nobody's body. But you
8:46allowed to have the opinion, too. You
8:47just got to take you got to be able to
8:48take the bullet with whatever you wear.
8:50You know what I'm saying? Like you wear
8:52what you want, but when you get out, you
8:53know, you know, people going to have the
8:54thing. You know, they going to have
8:55their things to say.
8:57>> So, you just got to stand in whatever
8:58that is that you going to wear. You
9:00know, in terms of the bags though, like,
9:02you know, all the bags that I got is
9:04it's it's on some like what I like is
9:06unique stuff more than anything. Some
9:08that just don't look like anything else.
9:10So, I'm I'm not necessarily looking for
9:12women's bags or anything like that
9:13either. It's just like some cool cool
9:16little I don't know. It might be an
9:18animal or something that's turned into a
9:19bag or something that's or a briefcase
9:21or something that's like just cool. You
9:23know what I mean? Like a pencil.
9:25>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some cool like just
9:27quirky quirky type of thing. So that's
9:29what you know that's what tap back with
9:30that do.
9:31>> How you feel bro?
9:32>> I mean teaches on that ain't my thing
9:34though. Uh because how I come up you
9:37feel me and what I what I resonate
9:38towards. I feel like hey man if anybody
9:41want to wear it want to wear it they can
9:42do that cuz art you know fashion is art
9:43and you got to create and express
9:44yourself and that's their expression.
9:46But me personally I'm not into it. You
9:48know what I'm saying? I got a bag and if
9:50I do get a bag it's functional. It's for
9:52a purpose. You know I need this cuz I
9:53can't carry this and that and that and
9:54this. You feel me? But you know like I
9:57like they say teachers on. It's all
9:58creative. It's all art. I have zero
10:00judgment to anybody. If you comfortable
10:02with it, cool. But you know, whatever
10:03choice you decide to make, know that
10:05with those choices come the lane that
10:07come with those choices. So if you cool
10:08with that and you confident in you,
10:10[ __ ] rock your [ __ ] It just ain't my
10:11thing. You feel me?
10:13>> So when you get dressed, I'm saying and
10:14this is just me cuz we go way back to
10:16him styling me, right? And then he kind
10:19of created the pocket of he created the
10:21pocket of our balance. He was like,
10:22"This is what you can do." and I let
10:24them know this is what I'm probably not
10:26going to do and we find a balance and
10:27everything like that. But I'm saying
10:28when you get dressed creatively and
10:31expressing yourself,
10:33>> um,
10:35>> is it just creativity or is there a
10:37certain amount of I know I will seek
10:39attention with this too. Just keeping it
10:41real cuz a woman might a woman might do
10:44certain things because she's trying to
10:45be seen. You know what I'm saying?
10:47>> Yeah. And [ __ ] do too. And [ __ ] do.
10:49>> Yeah. I think it's a part of the job if
10:50you're in entertainment. You know what
10:52I'm saying? To a certain degree. He kind
10:53of he's supposed to be a little
10:54different. Um, it starts to me like
10:57before he was even in the professional
10:58field of just being like creative for
11:00like just it felt creative. Especially
11:02when you ain't got no money. You know
11:04what I'm saying? When you broke
11:05>> and you got to where you got to mix [ __ ]
11:07and try to figure out how to make
11:08something cool out of the same things
11:09you been had. That's kind of how the
11:11fashion thing started for me. Just
11:12trying to figure out how to make
11:13something new out of what I already got.
11:15>> You know what I'm saying? And then you
11:17just start to get a little bit more
11:18bread and you try other things. You
11:20might have homies that's in the fashion
11:22that kind of give you that confidence to
11:23step out and do other things too. But
11:25yeah, like you know, to each his own.
11:28Always for me, to each his own.
11:30>> Do y'all see [ __ ] where y'all feel like
11:32people went too far or trying or
11:34stretching?
11:35>> Yeah. It's like because
11:38>> because I presented myself like this,
11:40like what I told you, I was like,
11:41"Nigga, you can't find me. I'mma find
11:43you.
11:44>> I'm 4,000. I'm James 4000.
11:47>> Not
11:47>> I don't I'm already here. I'm looking
11:50look I'm actually taking a lap back to
11:51like oh [ __ ] my bad. What I got going on
11:53or whatever I went so far or whatever.
11:55So I say that to say that when it comes
11:57to
11:58>> fashion all I care about is your
12:00intention.
12:02You can make a mistake with a piece.
12:03>> What you mean by intention though
12:04>> of like oh did I buy this bag so I'm
12:07going to I'm going to make the I'm make
12:09these [ __ ] jealous with this bag.
12:12That's weird for a man to say that.
12:14That's weird. Like that's weird. That is
12:16weird bro. That is weird gang. Like if
12:18you bought the Chanel bag from the
12:20resale shop for whatever price that you
12:22bought it from, the same thing that a
12:23bad [ __ ] with money would come and do
12:25>> or whatever. Boom boom. And I know the
12:27shops. I shop. I know the shops.
12:29>> However, it's all about intention.
12:32Anybody can buy the same pieces. We are
12:34peace collecting. When you're a real
12:35shopper, you are peace collecting.
12:37>> So that's the proper intention.
12:38>> Peace collecting. Peace. Oh man, that's
12:40crazy. Like I I might say that for my
12:43daughter when I have when I don't have
12:44no kids. I buy I'll buy this crazy
12:46purple Versace purse thing crazy and I
12:49get it off too when I'm super in my bag
12:51because it's a crazy piece because when
12:54somebody takes a picture of me that
12:56picture is going to end up in a Japanese
12:57magazine and they're breaking down my
12:59fit
13:00>> and that breakdown can get me flew out
13:01to Korea to be a model because I'm
13:04putting this [ __ ] on
13:06>> or whatever because peace people
13:08recognize their tribe. You're only
13:10trying to do things your intention
13:12should be to find your tribe, not to be
13:14like, I'm f to swag on this [ __ ] No,
13:16[ __ ] you're weird. That's weird. When
13:19[ __ ] try too hard, like a [ __ ] uh is
13:22a young man. He's a very famous uh
13:24streamer. His name is Playboy Max. He
13:27wore a lace front recently. He been
13:28performing heavy with the lace front.
13:31Bro, I grew up in this city right here
13:32of Atlanta, Georgia. [ __ ] cannot wear
13:35no goddamn lace front. is like you could
13:37get extended braids, you can get
13:39extensions in your dreads. It's a lot of
13:42things that you do [ __ ] like boy
13:46[ __ ]
13:48But a lace front is when now young
13:50[ __ ] the lace front is thug with the
13:53dress. It's like all right, bro. You
13:54jumped out there and did something that
13:56is completely against the whole grain.
13:59And a part of that is rockstar [ __ ] If
14:01your intention is to be a rockstar,
14:03>> I understand where you're coming from.
14:05>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
14:07>> Doug is a rock star. Thug has proved to
14:09me that he's a rock star. When he wore
14:11the dress and to make it through
14:12everything, he wore the dress. Just did
14:15five years locked up with [ __ ] that
14:18don't wear dresses,
14:19>> right?
14:20>> Came out,
14:21>> y'all had conversation. Boom. Boom. He's
14:23the man. He's still the same man. He's
14:25making great music, building a whole new
14:27army of amazing people. His intention,
14:30he's Look at all the young [ __ ] around
14:31him. They're basically him. The
14:34different versions of him. If you take
14:35Thug Mixtape,
14:36>> you could take the artist and put him by
14:38the mixtape that he sounds like Thug.
14:40This ain't a diss. This the truth
14:42because I am from here.
14:43>> No.
14:43>> Thug is my [ __ ] We went to the same
14:45high school. Went to South Carolina High
14:46School. That's my [ __ ] Dolly and
14:49Sister Dora. That's my [ __ ] I know
14:51when you're being like my [ __ ] But
14:52they're kids. You're supposed to be like
14:55your idol till you figure out how to be
14:57like yourself.
14:58>> That is how the [ __ ] goes. Do you think
15:00um it make people start trying to just
15:02push the boundary different like like
15:04you said Thor wore a dress he was he was
15:06crazy as enough to wear the dress. Now
15:08[ __ ] want to get lace front. Now
15:09[ __ ] want to do this do this. Do you
15:10think the intentions is to push
15:13boundaries?
15:15>> Yes.
15:15>> Like what you guys I think I think some
15:18cash intentions is to push boundaries
15:19like like you saying if you really if
15:20your intentions are to be cuz I see some
15:22pieces I'm like this is slick and I'm
15:23like just the vibration of it the
15:25frequency of it. So I think the
15:26intentions are for some is to push
15:27boundaries, for others is to get
15:29attention. And I think if you doing
15:30anything to get attention, that's where
15:32you always going to fall.
15:33>> Yeah. Cuz how far would you go?
15:35>> Right. If if it ain't no line that
15:37>> you won't cross, then you'll fall. Say
15:40if you ain't going to stand for
15:41something, you'll fall for anything. So
15:42if you doing it for attention, like I'm
15:44going to do this. I ain't seen the cat
15:45with the lace front. I
15:47>> teach his own. But that ain't my thing.
15:49>> I can't diss him. Like
15:50>> now you'll be lame. Like I'm I'm just
15:52speaking with you.
15:52>> No, but yeah, but like you can't you
15:53can't really
15:54>> pull him up.
15:55>> You can't really You [laughter] know
15:56>> what? What? Yeah. What do you mean? He's
15:58doing numbers bank. Like I'm hate on him
16:01because to hate on them,
16:03>> you going to look lame now because
16:04there's so many people that's riding for
16:06it. That's when it's kind of like, oh
16:08[ __ ] this you have done what you're
16:09supposed to do. You supposed to make the
16:11thing that you stand on that's like
16:13egregious become acceptable.
16:14>> I think I think a lot of people too,
16:15they just it's like and you know you you
16:17in the space, we in the space. It's
16:19difficult to really break through the
16:20space. You got to have something that
16:21either connects to people or you got to
16:23have some type of hook. And some people
16:25going for the hook. I try to connect the
16:27frequencies. You feel me? So like what
16:29y'all doing? I I I see y'all show I'm
16:30like, "Yo, I [ __ ] with bro cuz I see
16:32what they talking about." That's the
16:33connection. You ain't going for hook.
16:34You just being you and it's connecting.
16:37Then you got people that's doing stuff
16:38they like I'mma do anything to get
16:40attention. And
16:41>> I think that's what we all all speaking
16:43on. Like sometimes it just gets so
16:45>> far out it's like all right. I can't
16:47deal with this [ __ ]
16:47>> Yeah. I mean teachers on man. teachers
16:49on like everybody on what they on
16:50>> he's going crazy right now in the music
16:52we going crazy that's we could never
16:55>> let me see
16:56>> man it's a lot that I do but it's things
16:59that I just ain't going to do screen
17:00like it's a lot that I do because it
17:02just in my mind I don't have
17:04>> as much in the future that I think I am
17:07so
17:07>> I'm not that much in the current
17:09>> I'm glad you said that though Jame you
17:10said goddamn
17:12>> that would be hating if if you said
17:14something
17:15>> how is that hat
17:17>> if you disagree with that how is hating.
17:19>> Well, hating hating based on the
17:21standards based on our character and how
17:23we came up and how I wasn't even born in
17:25Atlanta. How I came here as an
17:27immigrant. So, what I learned as a I
17:30always say that your teenage years is
17:31what actually molds you as a man that
17:34you're going to be. A lot of things that
17:36you see that men do now, they learned
17:38that when they were teenagers. That's
17:39the same nick.
17:40>> However, I grew up here my whole teenage
17:43life for the most part in Carolina, but
17:45really here. So, Atlanta is where I'm
17:47from. It molded me. It made me Trinidad
17:49James. So everything that you see in
17:51front, I learned it from this city
17:52first. I wasn't traveling,
17:54>> you know. Hell no, [ __ ] I was in the
17:56city. So I said that to say where it
17:58comes to when
18:00somebody does something that's like what
18:04the hell and you say something about it.
18:06The way that this industry works now is
18:08like no, if you got enough people saying
18:10that it's right, whatever, even if it's
18:13it can't be wrong. And when you say that
18:15it's right,
18:16>> [ __ ] up though.
18:17>> No, it's [ __ ] up because your that it
18:19shouldn't change your opinion. What you
18:21don't [ __ ] with, you should stand on.
18:23>> Yeah,
18:23>> that should never change if your
18:25intention for why you not standing on it
18:27is an actual fact.
18:29>> I can say, [ __ ] I am never wearing no
18:32goddamn lace front to do nothing. The
18:36music that he's making that he's putting
18:37out or whatever, if you choose to go
18:39listen to it, whether he had a lace
18:40front or not, it didn't make it better.
18:44It didn't need it. It didn't need it.
18:46But it did what it's supposed to realize
18:48because perception of image is what
18:50actually makes the new rockstar.
18:53>> But for him to feel like he wants to
18:54creatively express himself in that way,
18:58I guess I just don't understand what
19:00that means.
19:00>> I mean, it did what it did cuz look at
19:01us. We talking about it.
19:03>> He did what exactly what he did. So
19:05whatever.
19:06>> Trolling. Trolling. I never heard the
19:07word trolling. I never heard that word
19:09in Atlanta, Georgia my whole life until
19:10I that that's a new thing. got troll
19:12like stand
19:14>> like that's you get pushed in the like a
19:15[ __ ] hit you in your mouth if you troll
19:17him like you know like troll like what
19:19do you mean troll like who's on a
19:21>> who's trolling trouble troll like who's
19:23trolling like what are you going you
19:25don't troll [ __ ] in the city like
19:26that's a new thing these are nuances
19:28>> I had to learn that bro dead ass I had
19:30from Chicago like
19:31>> yeah being from the crib like cats would
19:32troll and I was on like a live one time
19:34and dude was woo woo and I was like I
19:37went to trying to find out who the
19:38address way was pull up on okay yeah man
19:41you Okay. Okay. I'm trying to find it
19:42cuz I'm like I'mma see this [ __ ] And
19:44then one of my home girls was like, nah,
19:46you can't. That's trolling. I'm like,
19:48what? Nah, this [ __ ] going too far.
19:50He's like, nah, that's trolling. That's
19:51how that, you know, that's what it is.
19:53I'm like, [sighs] I had to adjust my
19:55whole way of thinking cuz I was like,
19:57dude, he was going way in like, oh, bro,
19:59your mama w you zesty. I was like,
20:03but like you said, that's that's
20:04trolling. He was doing something to get
20:06me to respond. Mhm.
20:07>> And the minute I respond now, he got the
20:10power over me and now it's everybody
20:12looking at dude. But I was on him. I was
20:14like, I'm going to fan. So I had to fall
20:15back off that. So trolling is some you
20:18can't do that cuz that's like,
20:20you know, it's a form of hate now. Like
20:22you you people do it, but you can't
20:23respond to it is what I'm saying.
20:26You can't respond. I'm telling you, bro.
20:27>> So [ __ ] just different.
20:29>> It's it's way different. You [ __ ] around
20:30and
20:33listen, bro. I'mma keep it a thousand,
20:35man. Like I even got to be mindful of
20:37how I communicate on phone calls with
20:41people cuz people will record your ass.
20:44They they'll bait you, rage bait you and
20:46you know you human.
20:47>> Mhm.
20:48>> And the minute you be like
20:49>> what you if you take it there,
20:52they pressing play.
20:55That [ __ ] even matter with AI though cuz
20:57somebody can just take your voice and
20:59just
20:59>> they can but
21:00>> regardless like if we talking about bro
21:03with the lace front you know and salute
21:04to whatever he doing hope it go
21:06everywhere
21:07>> fact
21:08>> it's also perception is reality
21:11>> you feel me so if you are perceived to
21:14be something
21:16you know you might be looked at that way
21:18you got to have a real strong spirit and
21:19you got to have the god in your life for
21:21real to stand through all that
21:22>> cuz if everybody going nah nah n n n n n
21:24n n n n n n n n n n n n n n nah n n n n
21:24n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n nah Ah,
21:25and you like the only one standing there
21:26for a while, you going to look like
21:27you're wrong.
21:29>> You feel me?
21:30>> What about the kids that can't make
21:31their mind up yet, but they make their
21:33mind up off just seeing people pushing
21:35boundary. They try to push a different
21:36boundary and be more different and then
21:39that ain't what they really wanted, but
21:40they they going with this rockstar [ __ ]
21:43and it don't farewell for them and then
21:45they, you know what I'm saying, go
21:46through depression and all that. Like,
21:48how do we
21:49>> cuz we got a responsibility as adults,
21:52you know what I'm saying? we will put
21:53out to these people what they see. So,
21:56we have to explain, too. We can't just
21:57do this [ __ ] and let it be art and not
21:59explain what we're doing. You get what
22:01I'm saying?
22:01>> Yeah.
22:02>> So, the there's two parts of it. Part of
22:06we going to have to share this answer
22:07together. That's the whole idea of like
22:09why we made the album. What's the dress
22:11code? Like I was doing all the stuff for
22:12sexy whoever, all these people, right?
22:15Working behind the scenes, working with
22:16bro behind the scenes, helping people,
22:17helping people. He's an amazing
22:18producer. This [ __ ] did T pays album.
22:20Carter Ford. He was a legendary producer
22:23before we even met 11 years ago.
22:26>> And so he's already used to servitude
22:28and being in servitude. I start off as
22:30Trinidad James. What that mean?
22:31>> Servitude means where you're in service
22:32to people like Yeah. That type of Right.
22:35And so the for me I start off as
22:38Trinidad James. I don't know what
22:38servitude is. My servitude is to the
22:40consumer.
22:41>> It's not I don't I don't know about
22:43producing for nobody, writing for
22:44nobody. Like I'm only thinking about me.
22:46It ain't until probably like five or six
22:48years later in till I go to LA and they
22:50introduce me like yo you want to write
22:51music for the soundtrack or for however
22:54I get a chance to write for Rihanna and
22:55something like that and it's like okay I
22:57try it out it's interesting the name
22:59Rihanna sound crazy how obviously it
23:01doesn't work out but it shows me that oh
23:03this is another part of the business
23:05however I say that to say that
23:08>> everything that I went through he went
23:09through then we went through together to
23:11get to the a point right now of our
23:13album called what's the dress code That
23:15is our responsibility. We are the new
23:18OG's. Everybody sitting here, you are
23:20the new OG's. OG's. The internet is who
23:23you go up against when you a real [ __ ]
23:25>> Yeah.
23:25>> Because the internet is not real.
23:27>> It's not a real place at all.
23:28>> It's not real. Real things are happening
23:30on the internet, but the internet does
23:32not have a soul. The soul of the
23:34internet is like AI. Like it's
23:36>> But perception is a new reality.
23:38>> Well, but that's it. still matters for
23:40what you say to that same young [ __ ]
23:42that's going between my parents or
23:44Instagram and my big homie bank. For the
23:47person that falls into that if it the
23:49goal is for there to be more gentlemen
23:52like the one sitting in front of us that
23:55give a damn about actual reality, not
23:58perceptionbased reality. And that's what
24:01that's why I don't waste conversation
24:03with people.
24:03>> People respect what they see anyway.
24:05Like I try you try to chop it up with
24:07them. So like like we just did a film
24:09American Clay, right? Short film. It's
24:10on a cool F festival run, official
24:13selection that can all that stuff. And
24:15people looking at me like, damn, oh you
24:16you a writer of movies. I'm like I'm a
24:18rapper singer. I just know how to write
24:20and create things. I came up as a
24:22writer.
24:22>> So when I'm talking to people about what
24:25we doing, like shorties doing what's
24:26going on, they hear me, but then when
24:28they see then it was like the
24:31conversation changed. You know, you
24:32could talk all day long, but it's like I
24:33could tell you, "Yeah, man. Get your
24:35bread up or get your bag up or do this
24:36wool or be righteous or be on this. But
24:38if I'm not moving and walking that same
24:39way, you not listening to nothing. I'm
24:40talking about
24:40>> fact,
24:41>> you feel me? So it's about what they
24:43see. Big facts, right?
24:45>> Y'all did a big fact button. [laughter]
24:48>> Say that for a while.
24:50>> We got to get one.
24:51>> We got to get one.
24:51>> Big staple. We going to have them. That
24:54[ __ ]
24:56[laughter]
24:57That's crazy.
24:58>> Well, that's the truth though. Like I I
25:00really align with what bro is saying,
25:02man. Yeah.
25:03>> Um, man, you know how much proving I had
25:05to do, man. And it's like, what the
25:07hell? Like, I feel like I know who I am.
25:10The worst thing that you could ever have
25:11to do is prove [ __ ] that you already
25:12know that you are.
25:13>> That's the worst thing when you when
25:14you're a creative. Let me say that much.
25:16>> Yeah.
25:16>> You know what I'm saying? In the street,
25:18I understand. It's like a real thing.
25:20It's like, okay, this equals that equals
25:22that equals that equals that. It's mess
25:23ups. It's still the numbers don't
25:25change. For the most part, in
25:27entertainment,
25:29>> people say the numbers don't lie.
25:30Everything lies. Everything lies now.
25:33The numbers lie. Now the numbers
25:35actually lie. So hey, what are we doing
25:38now, man? What we doing? What we doing?
25:40The numbers lie now.
25:41>> But they've been lying. They've been
25:42lying. It's just now we got so much
25:44information we can see it. We looking
25:45behind the curtain now,
25:46>> right? [clears throat]
25:48Yeah. We look behind the curtain. I
25:49remember when I was like really just
25:50trying to come up and I'm taking myself
25:51to radio and they like, "Oh, it ain't
25:53this ain't it. This ain't it. It ain't
25:54wool. I'm trying to get it popping on
25:55this and this ain't it." And then I get
25:57in it and I realize, oh, all I needed
25:59was $200,000 and this would have been
26:01it. Damn. You ain't telling me it took,
26:04you feel me? You making me think I ain't
26:06my [ __ ] ain't special,
26:07>> right?
26:07>> When in reality, I just ain't have no
26:10behind.
26:11>> I ain't have a budget. I ain't had a
26:12key.
26:13>> You could have just told me I need to
26:14get the key.
26:15>> So when I got the key and I'm like, "Oh,
26:17okay." Then cuz I was one of the first
26:19to stay independent. I got to deal with
26:21Universal as a writer. I got dropped
26:23from Mottown. And everybody was like,
26:24"Oh, oh, now people like, damn, how you
26:26doing independent, nigga?" Cuz when I
26:28told you, if I find the key, it's going
26:29to be rap. You can stay there. So, it's
26:31about having the key. All the numbers
26:32been lying. We just seeing behind the
26:33curtain now.
26:34>> That's real.
26:35>> You know, ain't nobody keeping, you know
26:36what? They fire half of black music and
26:38all the music [sighs]
26:39>> and not everybody on telling the truth.
26:42>> Now, they whistle.
26:43>> No, you you if I had a million dollars,
26:45I could have worked a record, but you
26:46ain't telling me that when you was
26:47behind the seat telling me it wasn't
26:48special. You could have told me I needed
26:49a a ticket. We could have we could have
26:51got busy,
26:52>> but nah. So numbers been high.
26:55>> No. But and and we're doing now. Yeah.
26:58>> That's unfort It's it's unfortunate.
27:00It's unfortunate, but it's powerful.
27:01>> Yeah.
27:02>> Because our arrows are the arrows that
27:04the young ones shouldn't have to take in
27:06their back.
27:07>> Yeah.
27:07>> Because that's real.
27:09>> No, I saw the arrow. The arrow our
27:11arrows have labels on it. Our OG's
27:13arrows that have no labels on it. Them
27:14[ __ ] just had arrows and they made it
27:16look cool. Like you're supposed to be
27:17buff and have arrows in your back or
27:19whatever. our arrows cuz we talk about
27:21our [ __ ] now. Our arrows have labels on
27:23them like this was depression, this was
27:26hatred, this was jealousy, this was a
27:28[ __ ] this was me. You know what I'm
27:30saying? And the young and the young
27:32people are now paying attention to all
27:34of our flaws
27:36>> that they see so much on the internet
27:37now because of all the whistleblowing
27:41>> however. And so like they don't trust
27:43us.
27:44>> That's what I realized. Young people
27:45don't trust us.
27:46>> Young people don't trust us.
27:48>> They don't trust us. Ah, cuz things
27:50ain't
27:50>> how why should they though? Cuz they
27:52confused.
27:53>> Yeah,
27:53>> they confused. Why should they trust us?
27:55When they confused, they don't know
27:56which way to go. They They see, okay,
27:58you got one person saying do this. You
28:00got one person saying do this. You got
28:02one person saying dress like this, one
28:03person saying dress like this.
28:04>> You don't know what to do because you
28:06don't know. I'm just speaking like if I
28:08was a kid, I wouldn't know what to do
28:10because say for instance, Bank saying he
28:12not going to put on nail polish. He not
28:14going to do this rockstar [ __ ]
28:15>> right? But he I feel like that but he
28:19ain't going to get to this status if he
28:21don't. You get what I'm saying? Like
28:22certain [ __ ] like this [ __ ] got the
28:24lace front. This [ __ ] taking off.
28:26>> Yeah.
28:27>> But a [ __ ] with a low fade. That [ __ ]
28:28going to take him a minute. So it's
28:30confusing. But that's when you got
28:31>> How does that Go ahead. Go ahead. Go
28:33ahead. I'm saying that's when you got to
28:34like it's a old you know saying like
28:36what [ __ ] Shakespeare said to thine own
28:37self be true. You got to stay true to
28:39you and that's when you got to be
28:40confident in like you know saying like
28:43yeah I bro I'm going tell you me coming
28:45up coming up you know coming up how I
28:47came up I ain't going to get too deep
28:48into it but like you know moving around
28:50you know we you get it I had to do a
28:52couple things to get some things going
28:55and it's like
28:57everybody like that's that's that's not
28:59going to pull it. Meanwhile I got cast
29:00that's coming out and they making
29:02extreme creative stuff and they popping.
29:06And I'm like, "Fuck, man. I ain't going
29:09to go put no dress on. That ain't my
29:10thing.
29:11>> I'm not about to, you know, wear no
29:12dread. I'm not going to be less than
29:13myself." And it take longer.
29:15>> But boy, when that [ __ ] cook, when that
29:17foundation is right, it when it come, it
29:19come. So, you just got to be patient and
29:21you got to be true to who you are and
29:22stop trying to,
29:23>> you know, that's easy to say than do.
29:26You know what I'm saying? Like,
29:28>> Trin, you've been doing pushing the
29:30pushing the limits. You know what I'm
29:31saying? And whatever you do, it fits
29:33you. You know what I'm saying? I'm a
29:34100% you're an artist. You've been that
29:36way. I don't see you being nobody. It's
29:38my first time meeting you today. But I
29:40feel like you comfortable with yourself
29:42and whoever you you ain't give a [ __ ]
29:43how nobody looked at you from the
29:45beginning of the time.
29:46>> I respect that. But you got some [ __ ]
29:48that'll come in and try to emulate what
29:50you do and then once they get there,
29:53it'll run them crazy cuz that's never
29:54was them. So we have to speak to those
29:56people.
29:57>> Yes, sir.
29:58>> So to now go ahead jumping into it to go
30:01back to the question that you asked all
30:02of us. Um
30:05because I came in like this, however, it
30:08allowed me to slow down and like pay
30:11attention to like everything, all the
30:13angles of the game and realize like
30:15damn, okay, this is how it's changing.
30:17or whatever when I didn't make another
30:19all go everything right away or
30:21whatever. That gave me time to like okay
30:24not have to focus on being famous
30:26because this song because of where they
30:28took it.
30:29>> Mhm.
30:29>> They are making my name go up and up and
30:33up and up and me based on how I grew up
30:36here in this city of Atlanta is like bro
30:38you got to have some structure. You got
30:39to have a team. You got to have like a
30:41trap. Like you got to have like a
30:42community like Four Seasons like a a
30:44Thomasville or something. like you got
30:46to have a thing like you can't just
30:48>> you can't have all this motion in the
30:50city and you don't have no community.
30:52That's how I came up.
30:54>> And so in my mind I'm like
30:57I need to figure out how to goddamn move
31:00how I've been moving my whole life in
31:02this city.
31:04>> Um and that didn't make sense honestly.
31:08Chill it took me like
31:12>> five something years bro.
31:13>> Yeah. this young almost year 15 for me.
31:16>> Um, and I and I say that to say where
31:18you ask like how is the young man going
31:20to know the difference between whether
31:22to listen to Bank or listen to Playboy
31:24Max or whatever or listen to Trinidad
31:27because we having this conversation
31:29right now and this a young man going to
31:30look at this and be like, "Bank don't
31:31got no nail polish on. I know what I
31:33think about Bank. He duct tape boom. I
31:35know what I think about Trinidad. He got
31:37nail polish on. Both of these [ __ ]
31:39talking big facts. I don't know how to
31:41listen to now.
31:44How my daddy raised me was
31:48throwing that [ __ ] in the water figure
31:51out how to swim. That's how my daddy
31:53raised me. I'm not even proud of that
31:55[ __ ] but that's how my daddy raised me.
31:57>> Throw him in there. He'll figure it out.
31:59Throw him in there. He'll figure it out.
32:00So that's all I've been doing my whole
32:02life from my origin country of Trinidad
32:05to every place in America that I've had
32:08to come up.
32:10The Atlanta has taught me that. Hey bro,
32:14at first they didn't use this word, but
32:16now I'm an adult and I go through things
32:17and I know stuff. What it was,
32:19>> it's like, bro, you got to you got to
32:21know what the [ __ ] going on. You got to
32:22have discernment.
32:22>> Discernment.
32:23>> Discernment. Discernment.
32:25>> Everybody ain't got it though.
32:27>> You got to find it because that's
32:28adulting. That's being an adult. That's
32:30what growing up is, Bang.
32:31>> Right. But we're speaking about the kids
32:32that make them cho before they become
32:34adults.
32:35>> I got it. I got
32:35>> Yeah. Jump in. Please. Please jump in,
32:37bro. Please. There's the flip of that
32:39too, right? So, it's also the weird
32:41[ __ ] that's trying to conform and be a
32:44>> a regular [ __ ] or facts.
32:47>> We just got they go through it, too. You
32:49know what I'm saying? For me,
32:50>> Trinidad allowed a lot of [ __ ] that
32:52was in the hood that didn't that didn't
32:54relate to the hood [ __ ] to be able to be
32:56themselves too.
32:58>> You know what I'm saying? So, that's
32:59another perspective of it is
33:01>> I think we looking at it from our own
33:02perspective. Are we going to obviously
33:03judge from our perspective outwardly?
33:05But there's the same kid that's looking
33:07and it's like, "Bro, I'm not really no
33:08gangster, but I don't want to wear this
33:10every day."
33:10>> Yeah. N real [ __ ] I don't want to fit
33:12in with that. I really want to be I want
33:13to wear,
33:13>> but I'm afraid to be like this.
33:15>> I couldn't wait for a [ __ ] to come out
33:16with a lace front. Thank God.
33:18>> I [ __ ] with that. I [ __ ] with that right
33:19now.
33:20>> I love that perspective.
33:20>> I'm going say that's because that's a
33:21life I live. I'm from Iowa. I'm a small
33:23town dude where everybody's regular. So
33:26for me to wear anything crazy, I'm
33:27talking about even just
33:28>> anything,
33:29>> anything, bro. Like if it's not a
33:31flannel or something super regular, you
33:33look crazy out there. So for me, I
33:35always was looking for [ __ ] that was
33:37doing some crazy outcast was the best
33:39thing that ever happened to my life.
33:40>> You know what I'm saying? Probably grown
33:42men that's cool as hell was doing some
33:44cool [ __ ] and they wasn't lame cuz it
33:46was lame where I'm from if you did
33:47anything that was weird. You know what
33:49I'm saying? You got to do regular [ __ ]
33:50[ __ ] you lame.
33:51>> That's their mentality, too.
33:52>> I can't even lie, bro. You just you just
33:54you just struck something for me right
33:56there. You just struck something because
33:57you're right.
33:58>> It's just me thinking from my
33:59perspective. It's different people
34:02>> that's struggling
34:04>> to fit in with with me
34:08>> and it's different people that's
34:10>> you know what I'm saying there's [ __ ]
34:12in the gang right now bank that's like I
34:14don't want to be in the gang I want to
34:15just I want to be I want to put the wig
34:18on I don't want to be in this gang bank
34:20I don't want to be duct tape I JUST WANT
34:22TO WEAR THIS I WANT TO WEAR WIG I WANT
34:25TO WEAR wig big bro but I can't wear it
34:27around you because I'll disappoint you
34:29and I don't want to disappoint
34:31It's gone. Exactly. [laughter]
34:35But that's how the young I'm just
34:36talking for the young [ __ ] That's how
34:37in their mind going off what he's
34:39saying. That's the reverse of it. Like
34:41in the gang,
34:42>> they everybody hard.
34:44>> And God forbid, man. School, man. I
34:47probably shouldn't bring this up, but he
34:48dyed his hair one time and I gave him
34:50all the criticism in the world for that.
34:53But I just didn't I just I didn't
34:55understand it.
34:56>> How did he react to it?
34:57>> Huh?
34:57>> How do they respond to the criticism?
34:59[ __ ] I don't know. You know what I'm
35:01saying? He, you know, he took it in, but
35:03>> he probably was upset. Now, me thinking
35:05about it, I wouldn't allow him to be
35:07whatever it is that he wanted to be.
35:09>> Why did he do it? You know what I'm
35:10saying?
35:10>> Exactly. Cuz [laughter] why did you do
35:11it?
35:11>> Why did he do that? Like, we know who he
35:13is.
35:13>> You tripping. You know what I'm saying?
35:15But he wasn't tripping. He was being
35:16>> himself. He not lame. He not gay. He not
35:19he just creative expressive. I I didn't
35:22look at it like I think the best thing
35:24you that's a blessing bro because that's
35:25truly one of the things I think we cyp
35:27we we all of us black men huff we suffer
35:30from hyper masculinity bro like anything
35:33that's even edging on femininity is is
35:36trauma for [ __ ] bro like you can't do
35:38nothing and so you know when you see
35:41outcast I mean you literally got Andre
35:42with a skirt on bro like he got skirts
35:44on bro he's doing anything you could
35:47ever think about ever thinking of doing
35:49it just is super empowering I think for
35:51the longest this time we got even on the
35:52white side you got rockstar boys it's
35:54just super manly this is man chest out
35:56[ __ ] a white boy you know that
35:58was the whole thing and and anybody that
36:00didn't represent didn't feel like that
36:02inside they were outcast that even goes
36:04for nerd [ __ ] like [ __ ] that was
36:05just nerdy you know what I'm saying
36:07nerds is cool though I loved I think
36:09nerd is cool everybody got to be
36:10authentel I I honestly whenever I do any
36:12work with anybody especially with
36:13engineers anything creative
36:15>> I want to work with a nerd bro I ain't
36:16gonna hold you because they g cuz I I'm
36:18a nerd about what I'm a nerd about you
36:20feel And when you really locked in,
36:22nerds is the coolest mother in the
36:24world. Know what the Amen. I love me a
36:26fashion engineer who don't rap.
36:29>> Please don't engineer and rap. Please
36:31just engineer. You went to school for
36:33it. Please. You do not rap. [laughter]
36:35You don't get ANR. You don't manage
36:38three girls from the west side. No. All
36:41you do is engineer. I love that person
36:44on there for [ __ ]
36:46>> I got a uh editor for the film we did.
36:48She her name Rose. Bro, let me tell you
36:50something. All she do is edit, cut,
36:52edit, cut, edit. And she's hyper about
36:54that [ __ ] I send her something. I say,
36:56"Rose, do whatever you do. Make that
36:57[ __ ] dope." And she I was like, "Damn, I
36:59would have never thought to do that."
37:00>> She locked in now. You ain't going to go
37:02hang out with her. She not going to go
37:03to the club with you. She got her own
37:04little thing. But boy, when she come to
37:06doing that, Asian girl, she doing that
37:09out of here.
37:09>> How hard is it? How hard is it now? I
37:11was speaking Atlanta and even outside of
37:13that to get somebody that's so great at
37:16this thing because [ __ ] everybody rap
37:19>> but it ain't hard because it it it all
37:20boils down to authenticity at the end of
37:22the day cuz no matter how much bread you
37:24throw at something if that [ __ ] ain't it
37:25it ain't it and people will feel it. You
37:27know what true is if it's real you could
37:29that's the one thing you can't fake
37:31>> is authenticity. You could pretend but
37:34you can't fake authenticity. If you
37:36authentically that way it's not I can't
37:38pretend to be nobody. I can't. I gotta
37:40be me. And if I'm not me, you gonna feel
37:42it. Even if you don't [ __ ] been good
37:44lately, but
37:45>> [ __ ]
37:47the good to a degree. I live in LA,
37:51[ __ ] Them [ __ ] is professional.
37:53[laughter]
37:54>> But they good. I get what you say. Good
37:55to a degree. They good. That's when your
37:57discernment come in. They good to a
37:58degree. You know, the proof is when you
38:00do it. If I tell you I can do something,
38:03>> I could talk all day long. But until I
38:05do it,
38:06>> I'm just talking.
38:07>> You feel me? And to piggy back off what
38:09y'all saying too is two things I want to
38:10go to what you said and what you just
38:12said. It's like bad people still get
38:13wins.
38:14>> And so you can't like because we look at
38:16money as such the reward of everything
38:18when a bad person a person with bad
38:20intentions win. Everybody get a chance
38:22to win. Everybody they're not our people
38:24they're God's people. So a good person
38:25and a bad person is the same person.
38:26Just the decision they made that day and
38:28what came with that.
38:29>> The rainfall and the just and unjust
38:31alike. So we all God's children. And
38:33then from what you asked him of to go
38:35back to like um where do you find these
38:39professional people that
38:41>> engineer the editor
38:44>> that's when we had dinner the other day.
38:45I'mma bring this part of it up. However,
38:48you got to get back outside and you got
38:50to go to the young people that's coming
38:52out of full sale
38:53>> and like hey [ __ ] don't rap.
38:55>> Still rap though. Let me tell you the
38:57first question. This is some real [ __ ]
38:59>> [laughter]
38:59>> If you want to be part of team big
39:00facts, we're shot shine in here.
39:03>> What's the first Well, you're an
39:04exception cuz you tease a goat. But the
39:08first question we going to ask is he's
39:10probably rapping. The first thing we
39:12going to [laughter] ask is,
39:14>> do you rap?
39:16>> And in our chat, if you rap, we just
39:17going to look at it a little different
39:19because it's like, man, we want James
39:20and Sha and T. We We want people who do
39:23that [ __ ] We do this. You know what I'm
39:25saying? Like, we don't we need people
39:27who do that. That's how you create
39:28[clears throat] That's how you create
39:29great teams.
39:31>> And but you also to play a little bit of
39:33devil's advocate, you have to understand
39:34like now the artist and the rappers now
39:37coming into this space and taking it
39:38over. Correct. So you we in there
39:40goddamn foot up on the table on the
39:42[ __ ] Joe B 200 million up
39:45>> just came and took 200 million up of all
39:47the [ __ ] that been talking while we
39:49was rapping.
39:50>> Yeah.
39:51>> You know what I'm saying? We came and
39:52bullied that.
39:53>> We in that ain't nothing you could do
39:54about that.
39:54>> Saying everything is hybrid. got to.
39:56>> Y'all are pretty much saying in this
39:58[ __ ] and in fashion, y'all just saying
39:59everything, the weed, everything is just
40:01hybrid.
40:02>> Everything.
40:02>> I go for that.
40:04You got to do everything to get it done.
40:06>> Yeah, but it's back it's back to what it
40:07was when what back in the days when
40:09Sammy Davis and all them cats was doing
40:10everything, dancing, acting, singing,
40:12writing, they you got to be multifaceted
40:15and then it started to be going
40:16separate. But now, yeah, everything a
40:17hybrid.
40:17>> Think about how many think about how
40:19many things that y'all had to do
40:21separately to get to each other
40:22>> to do this. And then this kind of like
40:24just cruise control for you.
40:26>> You know how many things y'all had to do
40:28separately had nothing to do with each
40:29other
40:30>> to get here.
40:32>> I ain't gonna lie, bro. I ain't gonna
40:33lie, bro.
40:36>> And back to what he said. Just cuz some
40:38ain't for me don't mean it ain't for
40:40him,
40:40>> right?
40:41>> You know what I'm saying? And and just
40:42being just one track minded by [ __ ] that
40:46really is a hater.
40:48>> Or I really is a hater. [laughter] I
40:50want
40:52you see you from Chicago based off from
40:54Atlanta, Georgia. A person from Atlanta
40:57because I'm an immigrant. I tell you, I
40:58came up here. They taught these
40:59religions of like, bro, I've been doing
41:02podcasts. I've been telling you like,
41:03bro, the one thing you cannot be in this
41:05city, the one thing I always keep in my
41:06mind seared in it. Don't be lame, [ __ ]
41:09I'll be broke. Don't be lame.
41:12>> Oh, yeah.
41:13>> Don't be lame. This city is You can't be
41:14lame here, bro. It's very hyper. Don't
41:18be lame. But real talk, bro. This city
41:20don't play that. Chicago don't play it
41:21either though.
41:22>> But I don't know the details in Chicago.
41:24>> I know the details.
41:25>> Like if you a goofy that's said you
41:26can't you can't get if you get labeled a
41:28goofy. You can't unlabel that.
41:30>> Yeah.
41:30>> Like they can get you shot. You call
41:31somebody that goofy in Chicago probably
41:33like a [ __ ] that like whoa. Hell no.
41:35You spazz out.
41:38That's how lame is. That's how in my
41:40mind how lame was trained to me. [ __ ]
41:42if you end up lame, that's a a pool and
41:45you never get out of that pool, [ __ ]
41:47You lame for life. You're dripping in
41:49it. [ __ ] not going to ever touch you
41:51the same. You can come around. I see
41:53lame [ __ ] at parties all the time. I'm
41:54like, damn. All right, bet. But they
41:57never You never get respected the same,
41:58bro. You never This city will shun you,
42:01[ __ ] Like a Jehovah Witness getting
42:02dysfellowship. I'm telling you, you
42:04can't be lame in Atlanta, Georgia.
42:06>> Well, my question is this then. Go
42:07ahead, brother.
42:07>> Who determines what's a lame?
42:09>> What's a lame?
42:10>> Cuz if if if you say
42:12>> that ain't for me
42:14>> and you can say, "Oh, that's lame."
42:15>> Yes, sir.
42:16>> Right. But then dude being him or he or
42:19she whomever being they self and they
42:21take that emotion they move with it who
42:23was really the lame
42:25>> that ties back to what he said. That's
42:27what he t said. It's like now when you
42:28understand the mindset that we were
42:30taught and we are relearning and
42:31reprogramming things like damn we were
42:33the haters.
42:34He was hating
42:35>> real [ __ ] [ __ ] that I looked at and
42:37didn't understand just for me. I was
42:39hating. I wouldn't say a [ __ ] was a
42:41lame. Like it's a different like like he
42:44always Trinidad always been different
42:45but he never been a lame.
42:47>> You see Trinidad? What's up bro? It was
42:48love. Like [ __ ] we couldn't wait to do
42:50music with you. Whatever this
42:51[clears throat] family
42:52>> what I'm saying but you different but he
42:54never was a lame
42:55>> cuz you was being true to yourself. They
42:57could tell that.
42:59They can tell that like [ __ ] ain't too
43:00hood to not discern where it's like oh
43:02no don't. It's just like it's like when
43:04you come up in the hood they be like
43:05don't mess with the basketball player
43:06and the basketball [ __ ] the high school
43:08good [ __ ] like hey don't come over here
43:09bro go home. Yeah.
43:10>> However, we always have the same. We
43:12always care about each other. It's
43:13levels of it. In the hood, like, "No,
43:14[ __ ] you play basketball. Go home." I
43:16went to South Atlanta, [ __ ] It was a
43:17[ __ ] named Vincent Banks.
43:18>> Yeah.
43:19>> They played at South Atlanta High
43:20School. This [ __ ] was God in Atlanta,
43:23Georgia. God with tennis shoes on.
43:25Whatever. And they protected this man.
43:28Everybody, he was Obama of that hood and
43:31everything around this. This is Pool
43:32Creek. This is zone three. This is
43:34everything around it. They protected
43:36this man. However, wouldn't let him get
43:37get in trouble. And for me being an
43:39immigrant, seeing that, that's what made
43:41me even start basketball first. I'm
43:43going to go be an athlete cuz these
43:44[ __ ] protect you if you any kind of
43:46good type of [ __ ] You know what I'm
43:48saying? So, but just the I now as an
43:50adult, the idea of there is versions of
43:53protection. There is versions of trauma.
43:55There is versions of hating that we
43:57didn't know the whole time that we was
43:59training each other.
44:00>> But the one thing that you said that we
44:02all said and the point of it is that
44:04man, we were taught these things.
44:06>> Yeah.
44:06>> We didn't make this up. Mhm.
44:08>> We were taught these things. So
44:09everything that's happened, that's why
44:10we have to unlearn things to relearn it
44:12>> and be okay with that. Yeah.
44:14>> What you don't know.
44:16>> See, I just don't understand this kind
44:17of [ __ ]
44:18>> That one That one I just saw that one.
44:20That one That one is tough.
44:23>> That one is tough. So that is
44:25>> That one's tough.
44:27>> That one is tough though, bro. You know,
44:28>> I just saw that one today.
44:29>> I ain't going to hate on the little boy,
44:31but I don't understand it.
44:32>> And but you should be able Go ahead,
44:34bro. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
44:35who understand that man
44:37>> know this is a baby how he know
44:39>> I mean right right I think but that's
44:40when it come to parenting and who around
44:42you and if they ain't got parent that's
44:44when it come to guidance around you cuz
44:45we got to still take responsibility like
44:46if if any shorties I don't got no kids
44:48but if I have some shorties and they out
44:50there moving in a way that that they
44:52can't understand based on me that's on
44:54me
44:54>> but who are you to who are you to stop
44:56that growth
44:57>> as a kid I'm a dad
44:59>> he got I about say you talk you got kids
45:01one of those things I got a young son
45:03right
45:03>> my dad is very militant He wasn't really
45:05rocking with none of that [ __ ] He ain't
45:07[ __ ] with none of that. So,
45:08>> you know, I think and I got a son now
45:10and you know, one thing I try not to do
45:13is get in the way of his expression in
45:15any way. Yeah.
45:15>> You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying
45:17to guide coach or nothing. I'm not You
45:19do exactly what you want to do. One of
45:21the things I feel like as a kid that
45:23always hindered me was people trying to
45:25tell me what the hell to do. But like
45:27I'mma do what I want to do anyway. Like
45:28that's what make you rebellious is when
45:30you just doing what you want to do
45:31>> is me me not following your rules makes
45:33me rebellious. You made them shits up
45:35and now I'm rebellious but I just am
45:37doing what I actually want to do. So as
45:39a parent bro I never want my son to feel
45:42like he can't do whatever. Bro, even
45:44down to like
45:45>> it's a silly [ __ ] like my son might make
45:46a lot of noise when he taking a little
45:48[ __ ] and your your dad sense might be
45:50like hey man shut up bro cuz people
45:51gonna make fun of you when they hear you
45:52making noise on [laughter] your [ __ ]
45:54But then in my mind, it's just like,
45:56bro, like that's his natural [ __ ]
45:58noise. When he decides to stop making
46:00that noise,
46:01>> he'll stop making that [ __ ] noise
46:03because he wants to make
46:04>> you you don't think so. But
46:05>> can there's there's I think there's
46:08limits in
46:08>> Okay. I was about to say your son can do
46:10something wrong that you feel is wrong.
46:12>> Absolutely. Absolutely. There's
46:14definitely limits,
46:14>> but it boils down to guidance. Like you
46:16got to you can you can encourage his
46:17expression, but but kind of guide like
46:19on some X [ __ ] You got to just guide
46:21his superpower in the way that's going
46:23to be the most beneficial to him and
46:25what he doing.
46:26>> Yeah. Because again, all we doing is
46:27unlearning trauma, bro. Like it's it's
46:29it's things that I'm trying not to put
46:30trauma on him to unlearn. You know what
46:32I'm saying? So he can feel free this
46:34whole time. Imagine
46:36>> whatever first thoughts you thought
46:37nobody didn't come down and tell you you
46:38was crazy for it and you just got to
46:40excel and be. You know what I'm saying?
46:42That's kind of life I'm trying to
46:44provide for my son. I feel like just be.
46:46>> Who put the pitch out though? I'm
46:48wondering who put the pitch out. Like
46:49why did what that was on a site
46:50somewhere, right?
46:51>> Yeah.
46:52>> That could be AI. It could be AI. That a
46:55people be sacrificing their kids like
46:57for attention that I'm saying like like
47:00the person that had the baby singing the
47:02Young Miami song. That wasn't AI.
47:04>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
47:05>> That one AI kid was all
47:07>> What's the word you said? Intention.
47:08Like your intention is bad. It's like,
47:10bro, you're a bad person.
47:12>> I hate you.
47:13>> That's exploitation
47:15>> because you thought about this.
47:18>> Yeah. You knew what would happen.
47:20>> Yeah.
47:22>> Like I could respect a drug dealer. He
47:25know what's going to happen from these
47:26drugs. But I can't respect a drug lady.
47:27Don't tell me there's fentanyl in my
47:29[ __ ]
47:30>> I can't respect you.
47:31>> Yeah.
47:32>> I can't respect you.
47:34>> No, bro. No, bro. I've been buying drugs
47:37from you, bro.
47:38>> Yeah.
47:38>> Tell me, bro.
47:39>> Don't send a [ __ ]
47:41>> What is that?
47:42>> Yeah. Give me a choice.
47:43>> Give me a choice, bro.
47:44>> Intention.
47:44>> The intent. Like, what is your like Why
47:46would you do that? Why would you do
47:48that? Like why would why would you do
47:49that? Like how does that make sense for
47:51you when you do that to your child? Like
47:53why why like what's that about? You know
47:55what I'm saying? Like but now the the
47:58not even devil's advocate is like at the
48:00end of the day y'all doing what y'all
48:01want to do when to go back to what you
48:03said way earlier. You are allowed the
48:07the thing that it feels like you're not
48:09allowed to have an opinion that's
48:10against the masses. You are allowed to
48:12have it. The only thing that matters is
48:16how you say it.
48:17>> Yeah.
48:18>> Because if you are too passionate or
48:21overzealous about your truth, now it
48:23come across like you hate him.
48:24>> And that's the issue.
48:25>> Yeah.
48:26>> It's like if you know it's the truth,
48:28>> just like the guy you are, you ain't
48:29going to lose your cool about it's like
48:30y'all tripping. All right. I'm not with
48:32that. However, I'm walking away. I ain't
48:34doing no extra talking with you. We
48:36ain't going I ain't not doing a [ __ ]
48:37thesis, [ __ ] No, [ __ ] I'm cool, bro.
48:40>> Yeah, because it don't affect my life.
48:42>> Go ahead, bro. Go ahead, big dog. [ __ ]
48:44I see I never met the [ __ ] I keep
48:45talking about the lace front. I never
48:47met him. I see him if I see him
48:48somewhere. But
48:49>> yeah,
48:50>> that [ __ ] cute. And I get rock. I'm get
48:52the [ __ ] away from him cuz I I can't It
48:54don't make sense. It don't make sense
48:55for me to go. I don't care.
48:57>> Yeah.
48:58>> I hope you know why you doing it because
49:00I know what that comes like. And you are
49:03Are you trying to be an artist? You have
49:05consumers to look after. There are new
49:07consumers now. There are people that
49:09identify with that. whatever. From what
49:11he presents to us, you're not a gay man.
49:15So, you're doing this because you feel
49:17like a diva. He has diva tatted on him.
49:19You feel like a diva.
49:20>> So, do you think do you think these days
49:22that's the new new [ __ ] is like
49:26act gay beyond? I
49:29>> I think it's like if you think of the
49:3090s um it was an era where it felt like
49:33damn were they acting gay beyond? I
49:35[clears throat] think that it was like
49:36um fashion. So fashion does this thing
49:38where when uh high fashion start mixing
49:41in with street wear, you start seeing
49:43different body types wearing [ __ ] they
49:45not usually wearing. And so the
49:47perception of it is like you don't know
49:50at one point in time you used to call it
49:51in the closet. You don't know who is
49:53feminine, who is not. So we just all
49:55existing. So when you seeing everybody
49:57in the club looking a certain type of
49:59way, however, the masses influence the
50:01masses. Yeah. The people who choose to
50:03stand on who they choose to stand on
50:04what they choose to stand on, that's
50:06that person. You your own man or woman.
50:08However, the masses always controlled
50:10the masses. That's how this sheep follow
50:13sheep. And so when these type of to me
50:16when these type of things happen it's
50:18was like
50:21[ __ ] they to answer your question yes
50:23part of it is true cuz two things can be
50:25true at once whereas like yes [ __ ] are
50:27seeking attention
50:28>> they do.
50:28>> So did that start with Prince?
50:30>> No it's before Prince.
50:32>> You got Escarita. I'm just asking. No no
50:34no. I'm I'm It's a guy named Escarita.
50:36This says who lives Esclarita. Escarita.
50:38Something like that.
50:39>> What year was that?
50:39>> This is 1970 1964. Yeah,
50:42>> like if you look at Lil Richard.
50:46>> So you had Lil Richard, right? Lil
50:47Richard got his swag from Esclarita.
50:50Esclarita had the crazy shades on. You
50:52can go look up a picture. Escarita got
50:54shades on just like bro. The same exact
50:55shades as bro 1963.
50:58>> However, [ __ ] was fly as [ __ ]
51:00>> He was he was you know
51:01>> how you spell
51:02>> like I'm had to look at my phone. E S C
51:05L some [ __ ] like that. Hold on. I ain't
51:07that good at spelling. I'm a math guy.
51:10I think they be doing that extra
51:13over-the-top fashion and be questionable
51:15[ __ ]
51:15>> Yeah. [laughter]
51:16>> For like black men though, too. I think
51:17they push it to us heavy.
51:19>> I do. That's just my my thought process.
51:21I think they really be trying to mask
51:23black.
51:24>> Yeah. E S K E R I T A.
51:27>> Look at that. That's Look at that.
51:29That's 196. Look how fly he is.
51:32>> Look at them glasses. Look at the
51:33glasses he got on. Look at this [ __ ]
51:35Look at this. It's 1963.
51:39Go ahead.
51:40>> U E R I T A. So it's like s
51:44>> It's like a Spanish word. Escarita.
51:46>> E S Q U E R got no [laughter]
51:50I don't lie. I don't lie. This big
51:52facts. I'm not lying. Like I'm not going
51:54to lie. Like that's the purpose of Big
51:56Facts cuz like we literally was a little
51:58bit confused with that conversation.
52:00Like I said, I don't trip on fashion.
52:01You do what you do. But it's like bank
52:03even broke it down to like damn man. Not
52:05only they getting the purses, they kind
52:07of like trying to hold the purses in a
52:09feminine way and walk in a particular
52:10way though. Like the dude with the lace
52:12I bro might probably ain't got no hair
52:14right there. I don't know. I mean no.
52:17>> I mean it could be like he probably I'm
52:18just saying like who he might really
52:20just be like him got. [laughter]
52:23I'm telling you he just don't want to do
52:25spray stuff. You feel? So he probably
52:26just
52:26>> Man got
52:28young man. He said he got diva t I'm
52:31trying to get [laughter]
52:33you something. you say it's like where
52:35does that come from? Right. It's like
52:36his expression.
52:37>> It's like why is Prince
52:39>> Prince like why what made this [ __ ]
52:42>> Prince
52:43animal something all right? You know
52:45y'all dress what however y'all dress
52:47whatever nails and all that [ __ ]
52:49>> So how do you take it as a straight man
52:50when a man approach you on some
52:52homosexual [ __ ]
52:54>> I think that gay men have better
52:55discernment than straight men.
52:57>> For sure. Cuz I don't be I
52:58>> because gay men know a straight man a
53:01gay man know a gay man only act gay
53:03around gay men. For sure.
53:04>> I don't know.
53:06>> Eight out of 10 times a gay man is
53:08>> acting gay because he think that you
53:10gay.
53:11>> And concern.
53:12>> Yeah. Yeah. I get what you're saying.
53:13>> Yeah. [laughter] Because he think that
53:15you gay. Like he only going for what he
53:17going for. Gay men don't be really going
53:20for straight men unless it's a bunch of
53:21gay men and then you in their world.
53:24It's like, [ __ ] why are you here?
53:25>> That's what dude said. Who's on our
53:26podcast?
53:27>> What his name?
53:28>> Oh. Um, Saucy. No. No. Like
53:31>> we know our kind.
53:33>> Yeah. I work with Saucy. I I'm not I go
53:36and do the [ __ ] I go to all type of
53:38[ __ ] cuz I don't care. I want to see the
53:41fashion. I want to learn the music. I
53:43want to learn the culture. Black people
53:44are everywhere.
53:46>> They gay, they not gay, they this, they
53:47all type of things. You a director, you
53:49know that.
53:49>> Yeah. Writer, producer, you know what
53:51I'm saying? But I I think I think I
53:53mean, if that's the case, cool. But
53:55>> honestly, I was on a plane coming just
53:56came back from Paris. dude, the the
53:59flight attendant
54:00was a a dude, but he was a a girl. He
54:04had a whole dress, the hair, everything.
54:06>> And I'm like, and as I'm leaving the
54:09plane, like I didn't know the voice was
54:11at the man. I hate I ain't going to come
54:13have a conversation. I was like, it
54:15wouldn't have been no conversation to be
54:16had.
54:17>> But why though?
54:18>> Just ask.
54:19>> Because you wasn't in my I was in a
54:21different cabin, so it wouldn't have
54:23been us to really talk about. I was in
54:24the first class cabin. You was in the in
54:25the coach cabin. So you would have been
54:27coming up there specifically and that's
54:29not my vibration. So it's I'm not
54:30communicating.
54:30>> Oh, he felt like he was trying to holl
54:31at you.
54:32>> He felt he thought Oh, he thought he was
54:33going to have a and I was like,
54:34>> did he know you as an artist though?
54:36>> He didn't know me at all.
54:37>> Oh, okay. Okay.
54:37>> And it was like he had spent so it was
54:39like so when you I can't say because I
54:40think people be just trying what they be
54:42trying and seeing if they they push
54:43boundaries see if they can pull it.
54:45>> And I think you see [clears throat] you
54:46feel me? I think people
54:47>> I definitely hear what you're saying.
54:48But it go both ways. I think that what
54:50you said is that
54:52>> unless he really threw something and
54:54advanced at you. No, it went it went
54:56like it was just kind of like he saying
54:59he did.
54:59>> It was just kind of like I wish we could
55:01have talked and I was like about
55:02>> if you approached me and say you
55:03>> Oh, did you ask him about what?
55:04>> No, I just looked at him like, "Hey,
55:05have a good one, broki."
55:06>> Oh, cuz he was getting off. Right.
55:07Right.
55:08>> Yeah. I'm like, "Have a good one." Like
55:09it wasn't nothing to me. I'm not going
55:10to like disrespect, bro, if that's his
55:11choice. But I'm looking at him like in
55:12my mind. I'm like,
55:13>> "What you going to talk to me about?"
55:14Like,
55:15>> you feel me? So, it's like I don't think
55:17they people I get it when people say
55:18they know they can't, but I think people
55:19going to pull it on how they try to pull
55:20it. And if you allow them to, then they
55:24going to keep pushing cuz it's chicks
55:25out there. I'll be like, I'mma get at
55:28her. And I'mma try it. Try to holl at
55:31her. And if she going, she going. If she
55:33not, cool. You know.
55:34>> Mhm. It ain't that I knew she was going
55:36to pull it or she was going to go. It
55:37was just like, let me see what she own.
55:39And if she on it, she on it. And if she
55:41ain't, she I respect.
55:42>> And so it felt like Sh was doing that to
55:43you.
55:43>> I I don't know if that's what he was
55:44doing, but I know when he said I get a
55:47chance to talk to me, I'm looking at him
55:48like
55:49>> it didn't feel right. You [ __ ] you
55:51single me out of all these people. All
55:53the people you gonna say to me because
55:54you got star energy, bro.
55:55>> So I was gonna say I don't
55:56>> You're in first class. You a [ __ ] in
55:58first class.
55:59>> I mean I appreciate you a [ __ ] in first
56:00class. [laughter] I think so.
56:01>> You a [ __ ] in first class. You got
56:03shades on. [ __ ] that wear shades make
56:05people
56:05>> but you got a whole you got a whole
56:07dress up on. Bro, you
56:08>> got a dress on with working. I mean it's
56:10still [laughter] a flight attendant.
56:12>> My thing is we putting a lot of
56:13attention to his appearance and not the
56:15actual individual. Maybe he just
56:17actually on was curious. That that's
56:19what I'm saying. I'm only saying
56:21[laughter]
56:22like, "Oh, bro, he could be an actor.
56:24Actors acts a lot." I'm sorry. Go ahead.
56:27>> Look at Bro, it was everybody walking
56:30off and he looked at me and was like, "I
56:31hate I didn't get a chance to talk to
56:32you." And I was like, "Oh, okay, man.
56:34Have a good one." I have a good one,
56:36bro. Ski and I was I kept it moving and
56:37it was I was like,
56:38>> "Oh, look."
56:39>> Did he say it in that voice like that?
56:41>> It was deep like that,
56:42>> right?
56:43>> He's like, "Hey, uh, [laughter]
56:46he's like, "Man,
56:46>> you got to get all the details." No, it
56:48was just like that. He was like, "Oh,
56:49man."
56:49>> He said it was like he just said,
56:50"What's up?" NAH, [laughter] BRO.
56:52>> I DID WHAT GAVE PEOPLE
56:56trying to help me about YOU IN THE CRIB,
56:58TOO. YOU SERIOUS? I'M NOT THAT [ __ ]
57:02SAID.
57:02>> The [ __ ] [laughter] said, "Oh man, I
57:03hate I didn't get a chance to come talk
57:04to you." And
57:05>> you know what that means?
57:05>> That means I'm like, "Talk to me." I was
57:07like, "All right, bro. Okay, let's let's
57:08let's break it all the way down.
57:10>> What if what if a man said that to a
57:12woman? How we how would we take it?"
57:15>> Damn, baby. I hate I missed the goddamn
57:17Yeah, I'll let you.
57:18>> So, it ain't like [laughter]
57:19>> [ __ ] know they try.
57:22>> There's no gray area there.
57:24>> No, that was what he said. I I hadn't
57:25had no conversation with him.
57:27>> Uh we we deboarding the plane.
57:29>> I'm coming from the first class cabin.
57:31>> I'm I'm walking off and
57:33>> that [ __ ] belineed and it zeroed in on
57:34me. I was like,
57:35>> "Hey, I didn't get a chance to talk to
57:36you." I was like, "Huge. Okay." I was
57:39like, "All right, man. Be cool, bro." I
57:40kept
57:41>> the only thing The only thing I'm saying
57:42to you, bro, is first of all, stand on
57:44your 10.
57:44>> Yeah. 100%. what you going to do
57:46regardless or whatever the the I love
57:48this type of conversation with grown men
57:50because we're at that place where we can
57:51have these type of conversations
57:52[clears throat] because I just want to
57:54put it out there. It's like bro give a
57:55gay person a chance not to holler at
57:57you.
57:58>> Yeah. But to see what he is on or she is
58:00on
58:03I'm not saying I'm not saying that I'm
58:05not saying that you anti environment
58:08though it depends on
58:09>> he on a plane like he he know the plane
58:12all I'm saying is this man is that like
58:14that person could have been a actor
58:18>> that person don't know
58:19>> this [ __ ] look like an actor this [ __ ]
58:22look like a director he's sitting in
58:23first class [laughter] YOU BRO I DO THIS
58:25[ __ ] BRO THIS [ __ ] LOOK I BE IN
58:28[ __ ] LIKE THEN THEY LOOK THE HAIRCUT
58:30THE GLASSES LIKE
58:31>> NOBODY SAYING YOU LOOK like somebody
58:32that
58:33>> hey YOU COULD PUT ME ON BRO LA IS
58:35OPPORTUNIST PLACE [ __ ] YOU COULD PUT ME
58:36ON [ __ ] I'MMA SAY SOMETHING TO YOU I'M
58:38GAY [ __ ] SO WHAT I'm say about that
58:41part of it what I'm trying to tell you
58:42is the way he said it was like that's
58:44all I'm saying
58:44>> no I mean if he like CHOOSING NO [ __ ]
58:47DON'T GET CHOSEN ON be saying yo I got a
58:48script or I got something I got some
58:50mute whatever I'm I'm whatever but you
58:52know
58:52>> just to add to his point I think that's
58:54a detriment to our community that's the
58:56reason why I think he's standing on
58:57Because a lot of opportunity hide behind
58:59that stuff too. Just get like if you not
59:00gay, you're not gay, bro.
59:02>> Nah, but that was me speaking on when
59:03you said people be choosing their time.
59:04It's like that's not always the case.
59:06Some people just going to pull it and
59:07how they pull it and it's like
59:07>> for sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. You know
59:11what I'm saying?
59:12>> But like generally like there's a lot of
59:14men that think about that about
59:15everything. Like you have discernment,
59:17but it's a lot of men that don't have
59:19that discernment and that is their whole
59:21identity. Like hey [ __ ] get the [ __ ]
59:22off my mother. I ain't
59:23>> But you whole wig gonna dress man.
59:26Depot, hey man. Hey, I'm such and such,
59:28bro. I feel like you blood up a
59:30different type of etiquette, right?
59:31>> You got to off the rip tell me what you
59:32talking about, bro.
59:33>> Yeah. Right.
59:34>> How the hell you just walk on telling
59:35you you didn't get a chance to talk to
59:36me about what
59:38I don't know. I don't know what type of
59:40man you are. And the the like I said, I
59:42don't know. Like when you're on the
59:44plane, like the energy and how you are
59:46portraying yourself right now. When you
59:48just chilling on the plane and you've
59:49been sitting there for 4 hours, I've
59:51been serving you drinks. I've been
59:53walking past you. Even if I'm not
59:54dealing with you in first class, I got
59:55to go to the front sometimes to talk to
59:56my people. If I work there, I'm I'm
59:58seeing like, damn man, I think this
1:00:00person is somebody or whatever type
1:00:01[ __ ]
1:00:03>> If I'm a gay person, I can't stop being
1:00:05gay. I don't know how to ungay myself
1:00:07when I'm talking to you and nobody I'm
1:00:09just presenting myself to you.
1:00:11Hopefully, sir, that you won't think
1:00:13that I'm trying to hollic. I'm not
1:00:14trying to holler. I just want to break
1:00:15the ice. I might not be good at it. I
1:00:17I'm agreeing with you back from the
1:00:18standpoint of etiquette needs to be
1:00:20better from a game to straight man the
1:00:21conversation.
1:00:22>> That's all I'm saying. Like when you
1:00:23when you when you when you when you when
1:00:25you approach me, don't say something
1:00:27that make it seem as that's a advance.
1:00:30Like I hate I didn't get a chance to
1:00:32talk to you. Hey, well take my number
1:00:33then. We could talk. That's what that
1:00:34sound like. He wanted him to say instead
1:00:36of just hey man, you look like someone
1:00:38that's in the music industry. I do this.
1:00:40>> Yes, sir.
1:00:41>> Because you should be aware that what
1:00:43kind of like respect my masculinity you
1:00:46say or whatever it is.
1:00:47>> Well, like as as a straight man, it's
1:00:49discernment. It's how you hear that. You
1:00:52feel me? If I'm having a conversation
1:00:54with you and I'm if I look like I'm a
1:00:56you know that I'm coming any kind of way
1:00:58that's not against that's not what you
1:00:59own. I got to be careful with how how I
1:01:01do things. I'm trying to say this. Um
1:01:03>> bro, when you walked in you look
1:01:04standoffish until you came and dapp me
1:01:06up.
1:01:07>> That's just I ain't gay at all.
1:01:09>> I ain't scared of you. Ain't nothing but
1:01:11you standing there like oh this [ __ ]
1:01:12cool as [ __ ] Like damn. Like then you
1:01:14reminded when I heard your voice I was
1:01:15like oh this is about the [ __ ] You see
1:01:16what I'm saying? But if I if if somebody
1:01:19come to you and they like basically what
1:01:21I'm saying is when basically pick up
1:01:22what you was talking about is because I
1:01:23ain't gonna get to they it ain't I don't
1:01:25think it's people know they own. I think
1:01:27some people in that some cases that's
1:01:29true but I think some people just pull
1:01:31it bro. I don't think it's more of a you
1:01:33know and it's not don't be rude to
1:01:34people if they not in your vibe and they
1:01:36not you know what you own. Don't be
1:01:37rude. Don't don't don't [ __ ] on nobody
1:01:38for what they choices are what they how
1:01:40they born. That's to each his own. You
1:01:41got to respect everybody. But I don't
1:01:43think I don't agree with hey, you know,
1:01:45people go what they on because I've seen
1:01:47so many scenarios where people be like,
1:01:49"What dude on?" And it's like,
1:01:51especially in Hollywood.
1:01:53>> Yeah. Cuz [ __ ] go with they move cuz
1:01:54how how how do you know a down low
1:01:56nigga's down low?
1:01:58>> Can't you don't
1:01:58>> like how do a gay guy know that a down
1:02:00low nigga's down low? Like what what's
1:02:02the signal for them?
1:02:04>> I think it's like it's like a dog
1:02:05whistle.
1:02:06You
1:02:07>> said a dog [laughter] whistle, bro.
1:02:09>> Yeah, bro.
1:02:10>> It's a dog whistle. I don't know. But
1:02:12you get what I'm saying?
1:02:13>> NO, NO, NO. I KNOW. BUT THAT BUT but
1:02:15that's what it, bro. I've dealt with so
1:02:16many gay people because of the music
1:02:18industry, because of hanging out in New
1:02:19York City, how whatever. It's like, "Oh,
1:02:21okay." Like, "That's how you operate
1:02:22with each other." I was like, "Okay,
1:02:23this is your straight friends. These
1:02:24your gay friends, y'all intertwine." So,
1:02:26it's so gender fluid in New York City.
1:02:29>> However, like if I didn't ever get out
1:02:30of Atlanta, I wouldn't even know that
1:02:31[ __ ] I'm not saying that nobody don't
1:02:33get out of Atlanta. just saying when I
1:02:34got out at the time and like started
1:02:36traveling and touring and we took me on
1:02:38tour overseas and Germany and boom and
1:02:40like you go party party in the places
1:02:42where they not playing rap or whatever.
1:02:44It's like damn conversation though.
1:02:46That's you fluidly moving through
1:02:47creativity and dealing with people in in
1:02:49the the business and the vibe. But
1:02:50that's different. I'm talking about when
1:02:52the statement was like, "Oh, people know
1:02:53their own." It's like that's not always
1:02:54Now if I'mma work with somebody, I don't
1:02:56care what you got going on. Long as you
1:02:57dope at what your work is, we can
1:02:59connect, bro. As long as you're a cool
1:03:00person, it's all good with me. Well,
1:03:01like if you trying to zero in on
1:03:04somebody and ain't on that type of time
1:03:05and you keep or you push that energy and
1:03:07all that stuff, then that's not always
1:03:09the case. C, you can't do that to
1:03:10people. You know what I'm saying? So,
1:03:11like
1:03:11>> one of the realest things that y'all
1:03:12said and it takes back when I met bro 11
1:03:15years ago, some of the one of the things
1:03:16that made us like lock in when it came
1:03:18to like creativity was we cared about
1:03:20the etiquette of music. I realized there
1:03:22was no etiquette in music period or
1:03:24whatever. Like I know we started talking
1:03:25what we talking about, but like let's
1:03:26take it back to music, right? There was
1:03:27no etiquette and there's like no
1:03:28etiquette in the studio. It ain't like
1:03:30no. Like, damn, bro. Like, in the street
1:03:32is etiquette.
1:03:33>> And I'm like, how is no etiquette in
1:03:35this multi-billion dollar business?
1:03:36>> Now, what you saying?
1:03:37>> So, in the street is etiquette. It's
1:03:39like, hey, bro, you lost this bag. You
1:03:41owe me some money. Handle that. And you
1:03:43got a certain amount of time. You know,
1:03:44I don't got to say this to you.
1:03:46>> And if you don't, I'mma touch you.
1:03:49You know this. This is the etiquette of
1:03:51the streets. You like, "Hey, bro, you
1:03:52lost this. You owe me this or whatever."
1:03:55in the music business.
1:03:57Uh you could say ask somebody, "Hey bro,
1:04:01let's do a song." [ __ ] I'll do a song.
1:04:03What you bet? And then do the song.
1:04:04They'll do the feature. Boom, boom,
1:04:06boom. And then when it's time to put it
1:04:08out, they charge you $45,000.
1:04:11>> And then now it become like their song.
1:04:14However, they get a more percentage of
1:04:16your song than you. And ain't nothing
1:04:18you can do about it.
1:04:19>> However, like that ain't that that it's
1:04:21no etiquette. And that's unfair [ __ ]
1:04:23But it's like it's no etiquette in like
1:04:24in the studio when an artist is focused
1:04:27or whatever. Like you got all these
1:04:28[ __ ] in here like, "Bro, shut the [ __ ]
1:04:30up. Why are all y'all [ __ ] in here?
1:04:32You don't do nothing. [clears throat]
1:04:33>> Why all y'all [ __ ] in here? You don't
1:04:35do nothing.
1:04:36>> I hate when it's more than three [ __ ]
1:04:38in the Why you don't do nothing? I don't
1:04:41need you."
1:04:42>> Yeah.
1:04:42>> This artist don't need you, [ __ ] If If
1:04:45you was tight, I wouldn't be here. I
1:04:48only get called to help people when they
1:04:50need help. That's why I call
1:04:52>> why you [ __ ] wasting each other's time
1:04:54and it's because there's no etiquette in
1:04:56this [ __ ] There's never been no
1:04:57etiquette. Like [ __ ] just don't have
1:04:58no respect in this [ __ ] And I came from
1:05:01Atlanta where [ __ ] you got to have
1:05:02respect. You get hit in your mouth.
1:05:04>> Yeah.
1:05:04>> And you know that was just something I
1:05:06had to like continuously like learn and
1:05:08kind of almost like
1:05:11deal like deal with it, get through it
1:05:14>> or whatever. It's it's it's tough
1:05:16because I I even though I present myself
1:05:18the way that I do, my inner core was
1:05:21molded from things I learned here in
1:05:23this city. And we not going for that. It
1:05:26don't matter what [ __ ] think about
1:05:27this city.
1:05:28>> [ __ ] who come to this city, you know
1:05:30that.
1:05:30>> You know what's up, bro. Like, no.
1:05:33>> I think you said something key, too,
1:05:34though.
1:05:35>> [ __ ]
1:05:36>> [ __ ] ain't getting hit in the mouth no
1:05:37more. You can't really do that. I think
1:05:38if there were consequences to a lot of
1:05:40these actions that people do these whole
1:05:42activities, these [ __ ] ass actions. If
1:05:44there were consequences to you not
1:05:46standing on principle,
1:05:47>> it would be more people standing on
1:05:49principle. And you can't really do that
1:05:51nowadays.
1:05:52>> I wish we communicated better. You see
1:05:53how you know how to communicate through
1:05:55everything? I wish that us as
1:05:57>> as people
1:06:00communicated better. I wish that
1:06:01everybody knew how to communicate.
1:06:03>> I don't wish that everybody was rich. I
1:06:04don't wish everybody was poor. I don't
1:06:05wish I wish that everybody knew how to
1:06:07communicate.
1:06:08>> Allow not allow things to go over their
1:06:10head.
1:06:10>> Yeah. It's like you understand
1:06:12>> what I'm saying. Not listening to talk
1:06:14back. Listening to hear me.
1:06:17>> Yeah.
1:06:17>> So you can feel what I'm saying.
1:06:20>> That's why I keep coming back to what he
1:06:21said. You know what I'm saying? Cuz it's
1:06:23like actually heard him.
1:06:24>> You heard that?
1:06:25>> Cuz you know what I'm saying? That could
1:06:26be a miserable place too for a [ __ ]
1:06:28that's trying to
1:06:30>> like I'm saying like a thinking from a
1:06:32[ __ ] that forcing himself to fit in
1:06:34with what y'all doing. But what about
1:06:35the [ __ ] that's forcing to fit in to
1:06:37what we doing?
1:06:38>> Yeah, that's real.
1:06:39>> That's it's misery on both sides. That's
1:06:40real [ __ ] right there.
1:06:41>> So dangerous.
1:06:45>> You better fit in, boys.
1:06:46>> I'mma leave my safe house and
1:06:48neighborhood to I I want to hang with
1:06:51duct tape. I got to be duct tape.
1:06:53>> That's some real [ __ ] I'm taking that.
1:06:55I'm put I put that in my
1:06:56>> Yeah.
1:06:57>> in my goddamn treasure chest, man. I'm
1:06:59taking that cuz cuz bro, we can be so
1:07:02hyp so critical of other people that we
1:07:05bring them miseries.
1:07:06>> Wow. Don't be so critical that it
1:07:08becomes hypocritical.
1:07:09>> Yeah.
1:07:10>> That's a real That's real.
1:07:11>> Cuz you bring people misery too by by
1:07:13>> your standards of what you see for them.
1:07:15Yes, sir.
1:07:16>> And some [ __ ] inside of them that they
1:07:18want. I think that's where depression
1:07:19and all that suicidal [ __ ] come from.
1:07:22That type of shit%.
1:07:23>> And you know what's so crazy to pick off
1:07:24what you're saying? I actually truly
1:07:26agree with you because depression and
1:07:28that type of music and things it came
1:07:29around 2015 2016. Mhm.
1:07:31>> How come in four years before 2012
1:07:33before that that's busting for trouble
1:07:36all like that's it's all type of
1:07:38energies like that of course t all that
1:07:40you know um uh t boys turned into two
1:07:44chain so that's masculine music like you
1:07:46know he's basically a pimp whatever like
1:07:47you know like if you think about two
1:07:49chain James [laughter] like you know
1:07:50what I'm saying like basically whatever
1:07:52type [ __ ] so like everything about our
1:07:54city is like hyper masculine like
1:07:56>> [ __ ] the only thing that's gay is
1:07:58bulldogs that's one club in one place in
1:08:02one area. [ __ ] this city big as hell,
1:08:04huh?
1:08:04>> Bulldogs the club.
1:08:05>> Bulldogs the club. Yeah.
1:08:06>> That's wild.
1:08:07>> And um
1:08:08>> bunch of [ __ ] in line with their hands
1:08:10in their pocket looking straight.
1:08:11>> Yeah. Straight up. [laughter] Straight
1:08:13up. Straight up. Straight like that.
1:08:15>> [ __ ] ain't looking to the [ __ ]
1:08:18>> I don't think I don't think I don't
1:08:19think people should be ashamed of
1:08:20whoever. If that's what you are, that's
1:08:21what you are. Be authentic. But at the
1:08:23end of the day, just be true to who you
1:08:25are. And like you were saying, the eticy
1:08:27in the music business, that [ __ ] is
1:08:29non-existent, bro. People will do
1:08:31whatever
1:08:32>> [ __ ] Eticacy across the globe is every
1:08:35business.
1:08:35>> It's it's out of there now.
1:08:36>> But I like it in the street though. In
1:08:38the street there consequences still
1:08:40exist in the street.
1:08:41>> N like it used to be.
1:08:43>> Speaking about when you been in studio,
1:08:48it's not what it used to be.
1:08:50>> No more etiquets. No more.
1:08:51>> No more
1:08:53anarchy. Unless you demand it.
1:08:55>> Yeah.
1:08:55>> You see how which is still Yeah.
1:08:57>> You see how when you when you come here,
1:08:58you have to send the name of the guest
1:08:59room. We make it. We It's It's
1:09:02>> It's got to be demanded inside of your
1:09:04like say in your studio session. Yes.
1:09:06Hey bro, we're not having more than two,
1:09:08three people in the studio. You have to
1:09:10demand etiquette. Top two
1:09:12>> cuz people don't automatically have it
1:09:14no more.
1:09:14>> No. They'll try. They'll try. They'll
1:09:16pull they'll try it. You got to kind of
1:09:17like nah. And then they'll all right.
1:09:20All right, man. Cuz I I have closed
1:09:21sessions. It be me, the engineer,
1:09:23whoever the artist I'm working with, or
1:09:24me and my engineer with me and my uh
1:09:26production partner, Vega, and that's it.
1:09:28I ain't gonna have a bunch of chicks in
1:09:29there, a bunch of dudes in there. Nah,
1:09:30because I'm in there to actually feel
1:09:32free and create whatever I'm trying to
1:09:34create, and I don't need a bunch of
1:09:35distractions around. Some people love to
1:09:37do that. So, if you set that up and
1:09:38catch when they come in with me, say if
1:09:40we do something, you going to know you
1:09:41pull up, you pull up with your your
1:09:43people, I'm like, you got one or two
1:09:44people you can bring with you, but
1:09:44that's it.
1:09:45>> Right.
1:09:45>> And we ain't bringing no gang of people
1:09:46up in that thing cuz you want you want
1:09:48your space,
1:09:48>> right?
1:09:49>> That's why I love golf, especially
1:09:50playing in country club. Oh yeah.
1:09:52>> You got to have your shirt tucked in.
1:09:53You got to have your hat to the front.
1:09:54You can't talk while people on the tea
1:09:56box. You can't talk while somebody put
1:09:57can't walk across somebody line. Like
1:09:59they got the real etiquets of life on
1:10:02the golf course, bro.
1:10:03>> It's like you have to really move like a
1:10:05gentleman.
1:10:06>> Yeah.
1:10:06>> On my life. I ain't think you was going
1:10:07to say golf. I [ __ ] with that.
1:10:08>> No, that's the truth. That's why I golf.
1:10:11Look, I saw Schoolboard Q.
1:10:13>> He schoolboard Q was on a double XXL. He
1:10:15cover with me. Yeah, he's on a He was I
1:10:18know the man that was on in the double
1:10:19XXL freshman room with me when we did
1:10:21the cover for it in 2013. The man now,
1:10:25bro, that is growth. That is like you
1:10:27got to you got to earn being a
1:10:29gentleman.
1:10:29>> It teaches respect.
1:10:31>> We weren't like born in like, you know,
1:10:33these nice houses and went to West Point
1:10:36and we wasn't born into gentlemanship.
1:10:38Yeah,
1:10:39>> that's not even a word. We wasn't born
1:10:40into that.
1:10:40>> You know what I've been getting into a
1:10:42lot lately?
1:10:42>> Tell me.
1:10:42>> Ski shooting. Oh, that [ __ ] ski when you
1:10:46shoot the target clear and you shoot it
1:10:48>> clear. That [ __ ] is beyond relaxing,
1:10:51bro.
1:10:52>> Cuz you got to pop a target moving at so
1:10:54far away and you can't make noise with
1:10:55people around you and it's not like out
1:10:57there.
1:10:57>> But it's really easy cuz you using buck
1:10:59shots, right?
1:10:59>> Yeah, buck shots. But you But if you put
1:11:01it on the advance, they shooting that
1:11:02[ __ ] at a certain speed. You got to
1:11:03follow it. This [ __ ] is It keeps you
1:11:05hand eye coordination. It mellows you
1:11:06out. It's a relaxing thing, bro. It's
1:11:08>> better than Top Golf.
1:11:09>> Oh yeah. No, that [ __ ] that's that's the
1:11:11one that I can see that damn stress
1:11:12reliever. It's a stress reliever cuz you
1:11:15getting whatever frustration you might
1:11:16have, you you letting it off on
1:11:17something that's that's controlled. It's
1:11:19safe.
1:11:20>> It's healthy.
1:11:21>> And it's teach you hand acquination. And
1:11:23you got to relax. You got to breathe.
1:11:24The breathing got to be right. Cuz if
1:11:26you off your breathing, you'll miss it.
1:11:27It's it's a beautiful thing.
1:11:29>> Yeah, bro. Check it. I say we should get
1:11:30into that.
1:11:31>> Try it out.
1:11:32>> Yeah. Know for sure.
1:11:34>> Um, best dress album.
1:11:37>> What's the dress code?
1:11:38>> What's the dress code?
1:11:39>> I took a walk with it. He sent it to me.
1:11:42I looked at the cover. I was like, "All
1:11:43right,
1:11:44>> yeah." Okay.
1:11:45>> I want you to check it out. When you're
1:11:46on the golf course, it's when you go
1:11:47into the When you going to the golf
1:11:49course, that drive,
1:11:49>> I'm on the trail. I'll be hiking every
1:11:51day. So,
1:11:51>> Oh. Oh, please. It's
1:11:52>> good for nature.
1:11:53>> Oh, yeah. It's
1:11:54>> good for nature. I ain't going
1:11:55>> lie. It's It's a self-awareness album.
1:11:57It starts off with best self as the
1:11:59first song and ends on higher. The goal
1:12:01is for if you're already your best self,
1:12:03it's for you to get to a higher place.
1:12:05If you're not at your best self is to
1:12:07get there and then go to a higher place.
1:12:08>> She ain't going to make me be no
1:12:09fingernails.
1:12:10>> No sir. [laughter]
1:12:12Well, I'm I'm calling you. I'm like,
1:12:17[laughter]
1:12:18>> I might get them glasses.
1:12:21>> Hey, you know, you know, it's so
1:12:23amazing. [laughter] You got to
1:12:24understand it. You guys understand the
1:12:26bank, you've been you've been doing this
1:12:28a long time. You know what I'm saying?
1:12:30Like for me, it's like I'm going on, you
1:12:31know, 15 years. And so, but I've been
1:12:33this for 15 years. And I've
1:12:36>> I'm so blessed to be respected by a
1:12:39gentleman like yourself. Man, I was
1:12:40excited, [ __ ] He said, "Trinette, hell
1:12:42yeah. That's my nigga." Like, this [ __ ]
1:12:44always been the cool dude, bro. For
1:12:47>> sure.
1:12:47>> Like, regardless of what, I'm going tell
1:12:49you what makes you cool, bro. Cuz you
1:12:50don't give a [ __ ] what a [ __ ] think
1:12:52about.
1:12:52>> I don't give a [ __ ]
1:12:54>> That's what make you the coolest to me,
1:12:55bro. You always been like that. Even as
1:12:57a Cuz you was to me was a kid when I
1:12:59first met.
1:12:59>> Yeah. Yes.
1:13:00>> It's like
1:13:01>> Trinidad pull straight up on the
1:13:02gangsters,
1:13:04[laughter]
1:13:06>> regular Trinidad James. So, I [ __ ] with
1:13:08that, bro. real [ __ ] I [ __ ] with that.
1:13:10>> I'm playing basketball rest with young
1:13:12Scooter. I'm playing basketball in the
1:13:13hood with and Scooter like, "Come to the
1:13:16studio."
1:13:17>> I'm like, "Yeah, let go. I'm there by
1:13:19myself. I got one partner with me." But
1:13:21and and it's it's been a blessing from
1:13:24it started here in Atlanta with self,
1:13:27Ally, Trouble Scooter. I just named
1:13:28three people that we don't have no more.
1:13:30How I'm like, damn, bro. Like I all the
1:13:34people who are like were the realest
1:13:36with me, I've lost. And that [ __ ] hurts
1:13:39me from time to time, bro. From the
1:13:41three people I named to Nipy to like
1:13:44Bankroll Fresh or whatever. Like these
1:13:46people like
1:13:48>> is whatever [ __ ] think they street.
1:13:50Like [ __ ] you being this person life
1:13:51like you like this is a real street
1:13:53person and you are a street writer. It's
1:13:56different. However, like these are the
1:13:58people who I got embraced by. However,
1:14:01accepted and loved and did songs with.
1:14:03Like I said, we got
1:14:05>> children together. How whatever. You
1:14:07know what I'm saying? It's it's it's
1:14:08really crazy of how unforgiving
1:14:11sometimes it feels like life is.
1:14:14>> But that's why it's so important and why
1:14:15you have it to be so precious with it
1:14:17>> and to and not just for self but to for
1:14:20others empathy. He this man has so much
1:14:23empathy.
1:14:24>> He reads so much books. I'm not big on
1:14:26reading or whatever because I feel like
1:14:28my life is the book. I hear so much
1:14:31happening all the time or whatever type
1:14:33of [ __ ] So I listen to facts, big facts
1:14:35from when like he reads some [ __ ] like,
1:14:37"Man, I just got to I just read this
1:14:38book." Boom boom. I'm like, "Damn." Some
1:14:40things he'll say to me, I'm like, "Oh
1:14:41shit." I have perspective on that. But
1:14:43then sometimes he'll say some [ __ ] I'm
1:14:44like, "Damn, I lived that [ __ ] four
1:14:46years ago. However, produced me a
1:14:48Southern Soul record, man."
1:14:50>> Oh, I got it for sure.
1:14:52>> What?
1:14:54You know how happy they made to give you
1:14:55a hit,
1:14:55>> bro? Give it to me,
1:14:56>> man. What? You don't understand.
1:14:58>> Southern Soul record.
1:15:00Not not not not getting crazy, but you
1:15:02know he going to try to style you too.
1:15:04You know what I mean?
1:15:04>> I ain't he GOT THIS BOOT THIS BOOT AND
1:15:08[ __ ] NO, YOU DID A NO BOOTS. I'M JUST
1:15:10FINGERNAILS.
1:15:11>> NO. YEAH. We understand. [laughter]
1:15:14>> COME ON NOW.
1:15:15>> FINGERNAILS ON MY BOOTS.
1:15:17MAN, come on now.
1:15:19>> No, but on some real [ __ ] I need the
1:15:21record,
1:15:21>> bro. I done, bro. I look forward. That's
1:15:23why I work with Sexy, bro.
1:15:24>> Yeah.
1:15:25>> Because I was like, damn, bro. When sexy
1:15:27pulled up, too,
1:15:28>> bro. sexy pulled up on me in a Maxima
1:15:30with black rims. Like not rims, hubcaps.
1:15:34She two [ __ ] driving it and her
1:15:38sitting in the middle like it was a
1:15:39[ __ ] Rolls-Royce.
1:15:40>> I was like, "Oh, this is this is
1:15:42exciting to me because I'm like, what is
1:15:44this or whatever." And then I was like,
1:15:47then I went to her hood because I was
1:15:48like, you know what? If I'm going to do
1:15:49creative direction stuff,
1:15:51>> I need to understand artists. A lot of
1:15:52times people just jump into the job
1:15:54because you got a check and it's clout
1:15:56>> or whatever. I don't do nothing for
1:15:57clout. I don't have from here.
1:15:59>> We didn't we don't even make up Chase
1:16:01Clout. Somebody else made that. Like if
1:16:02we are the clout that people chase like
1:16:04we don't we you know what I'm saying?
1:16:05Like like you understand from the crib.
1:16:08Like think about everything. He from the
1:16:09Midwest. Like Midwest [ __ ] don't
1:16:11really chase clout. Like southern [ __ ]
1:16:13don't really chase. Midwest [ __ ] and
1:16:14southern [ __ ] are very similar. That's
1:16:15why Chief Keef felt like such a native
1:16:17to Atlanta when he came with that whole
1:16:19block. Like he's like this [ __ ]
1:16:20gangster. Where [ __ ] from? He could
1:16:22have been from John Bur south. Who?
1:16:25Chief Keef could have been from John Bur
1:16:27South. Like there's a [ __ ] that look
1:16:29just like Chief Keef and John Bur South
1:16:31that's on the [ __ ] [ __ ] just like him.
1:16:33Hell you talking about all that.
1:16:36Anyhoos, I say that to say that
1:16:40>> I it's it's something that happens in me
1:16:42that get super super excited when I get
1:16:45to work with a real person in the
1:16:47street. When I went to Sex Hood, I went
1:16:48to St. Louis
1:16:49>> and went to her block. It was um it was
1:16:52four five day. They do like a April 5th.
1:16:54That's when I met her in her hood. And
1:16:56the reason why I remember that is
1:16:57because she from the 45 block and that's
1:16:59how they do their days. Whatever the
1:17:00first two numbers of your street is,
1:17:02that date that correlates to the year,
1:17:04that'll be your day.
1:17:05>> Yeah.
1:17:05>> So, boom, it's 45 block day, whatever,
1:17:08blah blah blah. And I'm like, "Oh shit."
1:17:11I had realized that he said to me
1:17:13earlier, "But you ain't been in the
1:17:14street for a while cuz these [ __ ] don't
1:17:15have no etiquette no more in the street
1:17:16either or whatever." I was like, "Oh
1:17:18[ __ ] I ain't been in the hood in a
1:17:20minute, man. This is the real gangsters
1:17:22and shit." I was like, "Oh shit." Even
1:17:24the women is gangster. Like more guns
1:17:26than the [ __ ] I ain't never seen
1:17:28women who had guns like [ __ ]
1:17:30>> at a [ __ ] thing.
1:17:32>> I was like, "Oh shit."
1:17:35>> Like, bro, you don't you don't want that
1:17:36smoke with her. And I say that to say my
1:17:38point of bringing that up and bringing
1:17:39up her greatness is the authentic and
1:17:42the rawness of the street is like it
1:17:43make because I have that power because
1:17:45I've met superpowers like him and
1:17:47together we could help people in the
1:17:49street go platinum. That makes me
1:17:51excited when a [ __ ] get out the street
1:17:52and go superstar to see sexy go
1:17:55superstar
1:17:56>> when I saw it when the maxima like oh if
1:17:59you could be this confident in the
1:18:00maxima [ __ ] you a show out in a
1:18:02Rolls-Royce
1:18:03>> fact [clears throat]
1:18:05>> if you can be like this in a maxima
1:18:10>> sky's is the limit for you still got to
1:18:11do the work
1:18:12>> I'm going to go get me a maximum pull up
1:18:14on [laughter]
1:18:17>> get my son
1:18:19[laughter] I look I promise you I am not
1:18:21bullshitting, bro. We'll go tonight.
1:18:23>> Like straight up neither.
1:18:25>> I promise you. Send me the studio. I'll
1:18:27get your number. We'll pull up. Like,
1:18:28bro, got one more day in town. Tonight.
1:18:30Today. We do it right now. We do this
1:18:33[ __ ] baby.
1:18:34>> I need you to just go make it and send
1:18:35it.
1:18:35>> Oh, perfect. Got it. Done. [laughter]
1:18:37Listen, I'll get your information.
1:18:38>> You got studio etiquette.
1:18:40>> I see transparency. See, communication.
1:18:43That's why I rather you see remember
1:18:44that to go back to what you were saying
1:18:46about like, damn, we got away from
1:18:47hitting [ __ ] in the mouth. Don't get
1:18:48mistaken. I rather we go in the boxing
1:18:50ring and let's box it out. Because if I
1:18:52hit a [ __ ] in the mouth now, he going
1:18:54to shoot me.
1:18:54>> Facts.
1:18:55>> Because he can't shoot the fade.
1:18:56>> Yeah.
1:18:57>> He just can't shoot the fade. So if you
1:18:58can't shoot the fade, you're going to
1:18:59shoot me. That's that process right
1:19:01there. It's mad rappers. Chicago for
1:19:03show that say [ __ ] Chicago don't even
1:19:05talk about fighting.
1:19:06>> Nah, we just
1:19:07>> y'all stopped. They all y'all stopped
1:19:08that.
1:19:09>> It's a better way to
1:19:10>> y'all said no, we going to So that's why
1:19:12I said communication. I wish that
1:19:13everybody knew how to communicate
1:19:15because you could communicate to me.
1:19:16That's the example. You could tell me,
1:19:18"Hey, Trina, I don't got good etiquette
1:19:19in the studio, but go ahead and do that
1:19:21thing and I'm gonna do what I need to
1:19:22do." And I could and I have
1:19:23>> once you get it to me, send it to me. I
1:19:25can come to you and you show me how to
1:19:26lay it down.
1:19:27>> Oh, okay. That's what I'm saying. But to
1:19:28go through the that
1:19:29>> Yeah. I just
1:19:31>> But you see the transparency to tell me
1:19:33that allows me to know like, "Oh, I
1:19:34don't need him in my vibe when I'm
1:19:35creating cuz he going to throw it off."
1:19:37>> Yeah. Cuz I'm going be like, "Man, come
1:19:38on. That's
1:19:39>> communication."
1:19:42Too too too short.
1:19:44>> But I'm the same way. I hate to sit
1:19:45there and and once somebody make beats,
1:19:47I lose my mind. [ __ ] are making a beat
1:19:49playing that same little thing. Boy, I
1:19:51don't make no beats. I'm f to go do
1:19:53anything.
1:19:53>> Cuz you got to be able to see past their
1:19:55start. And then somebody could be
1:19:57starting some [ __ ] You be like, man,
1:19:58that [ __ ] trash. And you'll throw them
1:20:00fo before they get to where they trying
1:20:02to go.
1:20:02>> I ain't FEELING THIS. [ __ ] YOU DON'T
1:20:04PRODUCE. Let me not come in here because
1:20:06if I'm in here, I'm a boss. I'm gonna
1:20:07say something.
1:20:08>> Yes.
1:20:09>> Yes.
1:20:09>> This [ __ ] sound.
1:20:10>> Hell no, bro. Hell no. But then at the
1:20:12end it'll be hard and I'll be looking
1:20:14stupid or I'll be done [ __ ] it up
1:20:15before I got a chance to get to the end.
1:20:18>> Everybody
1:20:18>> growth growth. If we could do this you
1:20:20know that screen would be
1:20:22>> if we could do this life over
1:20:24>> me man so much stuff bro I'm so
1:20:26grateful. Um the movie
1:20:27>> got the short film American Clay which
1:20:29is doing a festival run. Uh official
1:20:32selection at Cans one Shan Alise one's
1:20:35uh Venice shorts. Uh so we're still
1:20:37doing good on that. We're going to do
1:20:38the full feature on that. I did the
1:20:39music soundtrack out everywhere. I got
1:20:41my project. So now what? Um which I just
1:20:44shot a couple visuals for that in Paris.
1:20:45So that's killing. Got a show that I'm
1:20:47finishing up right now uh called City
1:20:49Life. It's about basically it's like
1:20:51loosely based scripted reality based on
1:20:53my life. It's like Entourage meets the
1:20:55Vince Staple show with a little curvy
1:20:57enthusiasm one day. So it's going to be
1:20:58do we start shooting that in Malibu in a
1:21:00week.
1:21:00>> Good combo.
1:21:01>> Yeah. Appreciate it. So, and then I got
1:21:03the clothing line. Um, and the jewelry
1:21:05line I bet they own, which is these
1:21:07these pieces, you know, non-conlict
1:21:09diamonds, real, you know, joints. Uh,
1:21:11and then the clothing line is on God,
1:21:14>> non like ain't nobody dying or getting
1:21:16murdered up for these type of stones. It
1:21:17costs more to get to them, but it's like
1:21:19preserving us as, you know, cuz we are
1:21:21the ones that's working in those diamond
1:21:23mines. And so, I don't want to see no
1:21:24harm or nothing come to anybody.
1:21:25>> Those not blood diamonds, non.
1:21:28>> How were you able to know, if you don't
1:21:29mind me asking? because I I I partner
1:21:30with a jeweler that's been in his family
1:21:32been in the game for like 50 years. So,
1:21:33it's a certain company like that the
1:21:35beers go through and all them things and
1:21:36there certain lanes you go through, but
1:21:37then there are actual companies that's
1:21:39out there that help you know mine the
1:21:40diamonds for you and they'll let you
1:21:42know that these people this is how this
1:21:44is done. That's how how that's done.
1:21:45It's full transparency and they got to
1:21:46go through like the I forget the company
1:21:48though, but it's it's international
1:21:49company that oversees all that.
1:21:51>> Okay.
1:21:52>> So, you know, you pay a little more for
1:21:53it, but I sleep better at night.
1:21:56>> You feel me?
1:21:57>> What's it got? Now, I must ask this
1:21:58question cuz I'm just that type of
1:22:00person.
1:22:00>> I've [clears throat] always tried my
1:22:02best to stay away from diamonds. I just
1:22:03made myself a gold person because I just
1:22:05don't trust it. Right.
1:22:06>> From the jeweler to where it come from.
1:22:09>> Unless you go yourself.
1:22:11>> Can you really trust these people? Do
1:22:13you think so?
1:22:14>> I mean, you know what I'm saying?
1:22:15>> You want to trust the team you got
1:22:16around you, but I mean, yeah. I mean,
1:22:18there's always room for something to be
1:22:20not right, but you want to try to trust
1:22:21the people you got around you and hope.
1:22:22Now I say that cuz like non-conlicted
1:22:24diamonds it now puts your brand in in
1:22:27the hot seat to make sure like oh
1:22:29>> I mean listen you know what I'm saying
1:22:30cuz if the white folks get banged up now
1:22:33my [ __ ] [ __ ] up like bro you got me
1:22:35out here saying n no n but like every
1:22:38mean that's when you got to be true if I
1:22:39find out that something is going on that
1:22:41you know to that's not against my you
1:22:42know what you mean you get in front I'm
1:22:43going speak on it like hey well I wasn't
1:22:45aware of this and I try to do as much as
1:22:46my due diligence. Um, so you know, you
1:22:50it's it's it's it's [ __ ] A foot in
1:22:52any situation. You just try to do your
1:22:54best to keep it keep it under wrap.
1:22:56>> Do your best
1:22:57>> at that. And then you know the I'm going
1:22:58to go back in and do another project,
1:23:00City Life
1:23:01>> um on that one for the for the show. So
1:23:04>> you know, man.
1:23:04>> Oh, the music for the music for Yeah,
1:23:06sir. Like with with the with the movie
1:23:08American Clay. Uh me and my writer RV,
1:23:10we co-wrote it. My boy Chris directed
1:23:12it. Um, I co-wrote it, executive
1:23:14produced it, did the music for it, and
1:23:16[ __ ] you know, it's doing a lot of It's
1:23:19doing real good, bro. It's doing
1:23:20numbers. It's doing real like real
1:23:22numbers. And then I got a couple visuals
1:23:24that's at like 40 million, 44 million,
1:23:2638 million views.
1:23:27>> Congratulations.
1:23:27>> It's moving. So,
1:23:28>> yeah,
1:23:29>> I'm just happy they rocking with me, you
1:23:30feel me?
1:23:31>> That's that's probably what dude want to
1:23:32have a conversation about, man.
1:23:34>> On the plane.
1:23:35>> N [laughter] maybe, right? Maybe.
1:23:37>> He probably went to you went to a
1:23:40festival and saw the Saw the film, bro.
1:23:44>> Just told him the film. [laughter]
1:23:47>> I mean, yo, your
1:23:49>> He does know your name. He do know your
1:23:50name. He do know your name,
1:23:52>> I guess. So, right.
1:23:53>> You know what I'm saying? He got the
1:23:54manifest.
1:23:55>> Yeah, he got the manifest. [laughter]
1:23:57>> He do. Scream. He do.
1:23:59>> You want to say something to the people
1:24:00before we get out of here, bro?
1:24:01>> Um, yeah. Check the album. One thing I'm
1:24:03going to say, I mean, we we talked about
1:24:04a lot of stuff today. This is a crazy
1:24:06interesting conversation.
1:24:07>> Big facts.
1:24:08>> Big facts. Everything was facts, though.
1:24:11Uh, but you know, we got the album out
1:24:13and you know, one thing about us, like
1:24:14he said, it's different. It's is for the
1:24:16walk. It's for all that thing. I just
1:24:17want everybody to give it a chance. You
1:24:18know, go listen to the music. Um, I'm
1:24:20not really big into the super, hey man,
1:24:22go listen to the but like we did the
1:24:24work um to to make a quality body of
1:24:27work that's worth listening. You know
1:24:28what I'm saying? Start from it and
1:24:30actually get into the brand. Um, I'm
1:24:32also talk about, you know, what we got
1:24:33going on. You know what I'm saying? It's
1:24:34it's bigger than the music. Everybody
1:24:37know Trinidad into fashion and this is a
1:24:39real brand um that we created together
1:24:41that's on you know Imagine Elite Fashion
1:24:45um you know and and clean and and just
1:24:47you know made by us for us and it's a
1:24:49it's a beautiful thing. It's a full
1:24:50expression. It's not just the music.
1:24:52It's also the clothes. It's a brand
1:24:54something you can get behind that's
1:24:55bigger than just the individual.
1:24:58>> Yeah.
1:24:58>> Check out the website. So the the it's
1:25:01important for the reason why it's
1:25:02important for you to even check out the
1:25:03website before you check out the album
1:25:05is because it's like this is a
1:25:07lifestyle. You are not the master of
1:25:09anything that you don't have students
1:25:10in.
1:25:11>> You are not the master of anything. And
1:25:14I'm talking to everyone in this
1:25:15[ __ ] room that you don't have
1:25:18students in. Do
1:25:19>> you have to be able to teach people
1:25:21after a while? And so our website
1:25:23thebestdress.com
1:25:25we show you styling tips like oh maybe
1:25:29put a cuff on your pant it'll be better
1:25:31with Diors or Chuck Taylor's or Jordan 1
1:25:33ones color palettes all the different
1:25:36things what to wear nails with what not
1:25:37to wear with that's a purse that's a man
1:25:40like information knowledge that's what
1:25:43we built the whole best dress brand
1:25:45about because it's not just the music is
1:25:47the lowest hanging fruit bank if I can't
1:25:50make a song I'm trash bro this is what
1:25:52we've been doing for the last 14 15
1:25:54years. Him more than me. This [ __ ] came
1:25:56up with T Payne. T Payne is incredible,
1:25:58man. He's incredible in the studio. He
1:26:01is incred on on the stage. He is
1:26:04incredible. What every record label want
1:26:05is a T pay. They want a T pay
1:26:08>> as a black bird. They all these other
1:26:09[ __ ] what they dealing with it. They
1:26:11want a T pay because the [ __ ] is all
1:26:14the thing. That's why he doing all the
1:26:15things now.
1:26:16>> That's why he's doing all the things now
1:26:17because that's what black people should
1:26:19be allowed to do. all the [ __ ]
1:26:21things.
1:26:21>> Yeah.
1:26:22>> Stop stopping us from doing all the
1:26:23things and we're just representation of
1:26:26what that looks like because that's what
1:26:28you supposed to do as a OG. You're
1:26:30supposed to walk what you talk or
1:26:31whatever. So, what's the dress code is
1:26:32out now. That's why that question
1:26:34matters so much. That's why we have the
1:26:36website. That's what best dress stands
1:26:37for. It's accountability first.
1:26:39Everything else could come in after.
1:26:41>> So, please.
1:26:42>> And babe, I'm going to pull back up on
1:26:43you when uh when the show show wrap and
1:26:46I'm going to do a a screening here for
1:26:47the American Clay movie. I'm setting it
1:26:48up in the next I want to see. That
1:26:50shit's cold, bro.
1:26:52>> You going to do a screen here?
1:26:52>> We do a screen in Atlanta. Yeah. Yeah,
1:26:54cuz we did we did New York, Chicago, LA,
1:26:57Austin, Martha's Vineyard for that film
1:26:59festival. And what else other city we
1:27:02do? Uh, and we did Paris. I got to do
1:27:04something in in a and I got to do
1:27:06Houston. Them the two cities I want to
1:27:07do.
1:27:08>> Locked in.
1:27:08>> Yeah.
1:27:08>> I appreciate this conversation, man.
1:27:10Y'all kind of alter my perspective a
1:27:12little bit.
1:27:12>> That's what it's about.
1:27:13>> That [ __ ] you said, bro. No real [ __ ]
1:27:15because you can you can definitely put a
1:27:17person in a weird space and and and I I
1:27:20I could say I I regret
1:27:24doing that to school that day, man. Cuz
1:27:26I I definitely was hard on him about
1:27:28that dying as hell and I that probably
1:27:30was just an expression of his take from
1:27:32his manhood or nothing. School 100%
1:27:35gangster. You know what I'm saying?
1:27:36>> That was
1:27:37>> a trillion% gangster. [laughter] But I
1:27:39just didn't understand it at the time.
1:27:41And that probably, you know what I'm
1:27:42saying, put a damp on our friendship.
1:27:44But
1:27:45>> I want to apologize to him even in
1:27:47death. I love
1:27:48>> Yes. You have to say these things. You
1:27:50have to say these things. It's important
1:27:53to put it out there because the young
1:27:55person who is looking, he the OG who is
1:27:57looking, he could understand
1:27:59forgiveness. My dad won [ __ ] when I was
1:28:02coming up from the standpoint of being
1:28:04the dad I needed. Yeah. This the last
1:28:06thing I'm going to say.
1:28:07>> The dad I needed. He's just a dad. I
1:28:10work hard. They going to be like me.
1:28:11What the [ __ ] is that? That's not being
1:28:13a dad. You're a father. Being a dad and
1:28:16being a father is two different thing.
1:28:17Being a father, being fatherly, that's
1:28:20why it's a different word. Anybody? I'm
1:28:23dad. Okay, [ __ ] That's a title. Being
1:28:25a father, that means you have to father
1:28:27something.
1:28:27>> Yeah.
1:28:27>> You have to take [ __ ] care of it,
1:28:29man.
1:28:30>> You have to learn. You have to when you
1:28:32deal the the new young parents who care
1:28:34about being the parents now, if you
1:28:36actually like healthy parents now, how
1:28:38tapped in they are with their kids,
1:28:39they're different. But my dad, I bring
1:28:41up my dad because he ain't know how to
1:28:43be that because that's what he was
1:28:44trained. My dad didn't turn into the
1:28:46[ __ ] that I needed him to be until I
1:28:47became Trinad James.
1:28:49>> And now the last 15 years, that [ __ ]
1:28:51been incredible. I don't give a [ __ ] how
1:28:53[ __ ] went in my teenage years. So it's
1:28:55not about how you start, it's about how
1:28:57you end. You always have your while you
1:28:59have life, you can make something right
1:29:02>> because you just made [ __ ] right in the
1:29:03grave. understand
1:29:05>> and somebody saw it live on TV so they
1:29:08can go make it right while the person is
1:29:09alive
1:29:10>> who they did wrong by not trying to cuz
1:29:13you can't be too critical then you
1:29:14become hypocritical
1:29:15>> 100%
1:29:16>> big facts
1:29:17>> it is we appreciate y'all pulling up man
1:29:20great conversation great energy y'all
1:29:22check out everything these brothers got
1:29:23going on and check us out too at
1:29:25wwigfaxpod.com
1:29:27salute

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