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0:00Today's guest turned $700 into over a
0:03million simply by trading meme coins.
0:05There will never be anything easier to
0:07make money online than meme coins. Where
0:09are you going to go turn a,000 into
0:11100,000 in an hour? At the casino. A
0:13former pro Fortnite player, he's built a
0:15cult-like following. Known for his
0:17ability to predict the markets, spot
0:19trends early, and connect with some of
0:20the biggest names in crypto. From March
0:22to December, you didn't leave your room.
0:24I would go out here and then, but the
0:26majority of my days were 10:00 a.m. to
0:29400 p.m. and then 7:00 p.m. to like 2:00
0:31a.m. In this episode, we'll dive into
0:32his journey from broke teenager to
0:34millionaire investor, expose the hidden
0:36players manipulating crypto markets, and
0:38unveil his step-by-step blueprint for
0:40turning internet trends into
0:42generational wealth. I made around 500k
0:45in like 10 20 minutes. And how'd you do
0:47that? Uh, Warren G, welcome to the Jack
0:50Neil podcast. What's up, man? Thanks for
0:52having me. Yeah. Um, so guys, a bit of
0:54context here. We've been traveling
0:56around a bit. Uh, we just came back from
0:58Puerto Rico. Uh, did Luke Belmar, then
1:00did his brother, and Luke was like, "You
1:02have to get this guy orangey on the
1:04podcast." And I was like, "Okay, uh, let
1:06me look into him." And yeah, it turns
1:08out we have a lot of uh, friends in
1:10common, and yeah, he has a really sick
1:13story, so this should be a great
1:15episode. Um, also, we ran into each
1:17other at the airport uh, which kind of
1:18solidified us having a podcast. So,
1:20yeah, I think we're both getting
1:22dominoes. Um,
1:24so Orangey, ETH is down 60% all-time
1:27high. Salana is down 50%. Is this the
1:30end of meme coins? No, not at all. I
1:32think like the idea of meme coins uh is
1:35just getting started. Like the whole
1:36idea of like what I personally think is
1:39that every narrative from now till like
1:40the end of time until like crypto exists
1:43is going to get tokenized. Like if Elon
1:46Musk gets a dog, that's like forever
1:48going to be something that goes on the
1:49blockchain. Like the only thing that
1:50gets affected is how much volume there
1:52is like in the memecoin world. That's
1:54it. So how does uh the bigger coins
1:57affect meme coins? Like do you believe
1:59that if ETH crashes goes to zero, Salana
2:03crashes, like will there be meme coins?
2:05Will they will there ever be a place for
2:06that? Like yeah, people will still make
2:08pump funds every day of course. Yeah,
2:10that's never going anywhere. Uh is
2:11anybody going to buy them? I don't know.
2:14Not if everything's at zero because then
2:15there's no money to make. Give me the
2:17story. uh you turned 700 bucks into $1.1
2:20million trading coins. Yeah, that was
2:22like the start of my journey back in uh
2:25back in March of last year. Uh up until
2:27like August is when I think I made that
2:29video. Okay. So, give me the process of
2:31how you did that exactly.
2:34Um process of how I did that. You know,
2:37I was uh I was seeing all these like I
2:40used to play pro Fortnite for context
2:42and I would see all these like Fortnite
2:43friends on Twitter post like all their
2:46profits and I was really curious on like
2:49how they were doing it. I was already a
2:50little bit into crypto. Um so I just
2:52started reaching out to people like
2:54asking for help like yo can anybody like
2:56put me on? How do I do this? And just uh
2:58me and my Fortnite friends got into it
2:59together. Uh we started learning how to
3:01like trade I guess on Photon the website
3:04was back then. And yeah, from there we
3:07just started like grinding it every
3:08single day, like you know, 10, 12, 16
3:11hour days.
3:13Uh, and it was really slow at first
3:15until until it wasn't. And what did
3:18those days look like? Like where did you
3:20start? Uh, what was kind of your process
3:22for developing that skill? Because I
3:25mean, being a pro Fortnite player, uh,
3:27you kind of already have built the skill
3:29of I'm going to work at something for a
3:30long time, spend every day on it, absorb
3:32all the information. But what was that
3:34process for meme coins? Kind of like the
3:36same, right? Like just get on, wake up,
3:40get onto my computer super early, uh
3:42stay on all day, go to bed super late,
3:44kind of like Fortnite. Um and at first,
3:47you know, it was like I was on Photon
3:49all day and it was like a list of coins
3:51that would come out and I would just
3:52like study all these coins and kind of
3:55like I don't like look at every factor
3:58and decide like what factors imply me
4:01buying the coin. um until it got easier.
4:03Like eventually this website called Pump
4:05Fun came out and like the whole game
4:08just got a lot easier. Like you didn't
4:09have to like worry about like rugps
4:11happening like liquidity like being gone
4:13and stuff. So what makes a good meme?
4:15What makes a good meme? Um how viral can
4:17it go? How much attention can it get?
4:19That's Got it. And then how do you kind
4:22of uh predict with what you know like
4:25how big something can get? Yeah. Yeah. I
4:28mean that depends really on like market
4:29conditions like how much volume is even
4:32like in the memes. Like currently right
4:34now like a good meme like for example
4:36today I was trading a meme coin and I
4:38thought it was really good but like
4:40there's not a lot of volume right now.
4:41So I had to like you know exit it like a
4:43lot earlier than I would have just 3 4
4:45months ago. Um and honestly like bro it
4:49just like I think about it like
4:50attention like how much attention can
4:52this coin end up getting? Like how viral
4:54can it go? Like it's just like my
4:55thought process every time. I don't
4:56know. Gotcha. Okay. Um, and then you've
5:01kind of spoken a lot about these
5:03different processes on Brett
5:05Malinowski's podcast. I really enjoyed
5:07uh listening to that. But what has
5:10changed uh in the past two months on
5:13crypto, like just the crypto space in
5:15general? Amount of uh volume for sure.
5:17Like we had the uh Trump memecoin launch
5:20happened that was insane. Um, and then
5:23we had like Melania
5:25token launch. And then we had like
5:28Libra, which is like the uh it was like
5:30a fake Argentina token thing that
5:32happened and that killed a lot of like
5:34the memecoin volume. It gave people like
5:35erupt people the wrong way. Um,
5:39and ever since then, like you know, we
5:40saw Bitcoin soul ETH like kind of
5:42plummet. And it's just really been this
5:44week that it's kind of been like
5:45climbing back up. Like Bitcoin just
5:47reclaimed 94K. like we were at like, you
5:49know, bottom 80s for a while there. So,
5:53Got it. So, do you think uh like when
5:56the president of Argentina stole $100
5:59million, uh was that like a big memecoin
6:03event that kind of crashed everything?
6:04Yeah. Well, I mean, that's not what
6:05happened, but like that's what like the
6:07the headlines say, right? But, uh yeah,
6:09like the Libra event itself um did
6:12definitely cause a lot of bad sentiment
6:14to go into the memecoin space. And then
6:16give give me like the ultra specific of
6:18that. Like where did they go wrong with
6:19that project? Uh because I think from my
6:23perspective, I saw how well Trump did.
6:25Uh and that kind of established
6:27sentiment of how high these things could
6:29go, which made people more attuned to
6:31hold longer, invest larger amounts. Uh
6:33and then you had Melania, which I was
6:36shocked how big it got in general. Uh,
6:38and then when the president of Argentina
6:40did one, people thought it was going to
6:42go to similar amounts, but it was kind
6:43of rugged in like a day or so. Like, why
6:46did that happen? Why? Um, honestly, I I
6:49can't tell you the why cuz I don't know.
6:50I just know that there was like
6:52miscommunications with the internal
6:53team. I mean, this is just from what
6:54I've seen on Twitter from like the
6:56people behind it. Um, I don't know what
6:59went wrong. I don't So, but what did
7:01they do exactly? like they because I
7:04know the way a lot of these people
7:06running the projects make money is like
7:08uh selling a little bit to the exchanges
7:11or selling a little bit to uh just onto
7:14the market. But like uh so essentially
7:17there's like a green candle which it
7:18means it's going up but they kind of
7:20dampened the green candles which is kind
7:22of how they like extract money from the
7:23project without tanking it completely.
7:25But what did Libra do? Was it just a
7:26straight rug pool or to be honest uh
7:28this happened on February 14th
7:29Valentine's Day at NFC Paris. Like I was
7:32literally like on on a date uh during
7:34NFT Paris and like I see everyone like
7:37my my phone's going off like my wallet
7:38tracker is like everybody's buying this
7:40coin. I put like 40k into it and I just
7:42like kind of step away for a little bit.
7:43Um next thing I know I'm down 40k and
7:45like the token's at zero. So like and
7:48I'm I go on Twitter like everyone's like
7:50just hating on Libra and like what
7:52happened. Um that's like my personal
7:54story. I don't know exactly what
7:55happened. I'm assuming they had a lot of
7:57supply and they just sold a lot of it. I
7:58haven't seen like the documentaries and
8:00[ __ ] cuz at the end of the day it's just
8:01like I went to zero like yeah it rugged
8:04I guess. GG. Yeah. So what's the
8:06difference between like a rug and just
8:09uh like typical extraction in these
8:11projects?
8:13What do you mean? I would say like those
8:14are both the same thing. It's it's the
8:16same thing. Like that's what people mean
8:17by rug cuz it used to be like just
8:18straight up liquidity. No well pump kind
8:22of changed that. You know a rug is just
8:23like how did pump fun change that? Can't
8:26you do one? You can't like pull the
8:27liquidity pool, but you can still have
8:29like 99% of the supply on like all
8:31wallets and sell them all at once. Um,
8:33but like there's been involvement in the
8:35ecosystem and tools that help you like
8:38avoid that. On more positive note, uh,
8:40what's the most amount of money you've
8:42made in the least amount of time? Um, I
8:45made around 500k in like 10 20 minutes.
8:49Got it. And how'd you do that? Uh, my
8:51friend uh accoed me, which means like he
8:54sniped a coin for me. Um,
8:57and we got first transaction on that
8:58coin. What was the name of the coin?
9:00Like what was the project? What was the
9:02meme or is that uh it was like during
9:04like the uh it was like during like the
9:06slurf and boom. Do you remember that
9:07stuff? What was it? Slurf and boom. Like
9:09during that meta it was like pre it was
9:10a pre-sale pre-sale meta and then we
9:13sniped the CA. Okay. And then what does
9:15it mean to like snipe something?
9:17Exactly. Yeah. Like basically like there
9:18were like certain bots that you would
9:19run and we had sniped like hundreds of
9:22coins. Um, but this is the first one
9:23that like we got like first transaction
9:25on. Uh, you're just like running these
9:28bots and as soon as the coin drops like
9:29it'll like try to buy and when you're
9:32the first person to buy, you know, and
9:34it's like mooning like you make a lot.
9:36Do you think there's still a space to
9:37make a lot of money in meme coins with
9:39sniping or just in general? Just in
9:41general. Yeah, for sure. And what kind
9:43of new methods have you adopted
9:46recently? Is it really just an
9:47information game? To be honest, like the
9:49sniping uh method or meta died very
9:51quick. that was very shortlived through
9:52like March and May. Uh it was during
9:54those two months that I really took
9:55advantage of sniping. Uh I had really
9:57good connections, really good friends
9:58that were at the top of the sniping
9:59game. Um
10:02and and like honestly that that was
10:03shortlived. Like the whole these bots
10:05were called like peppermints. Uh that
10:06meta was shortlived. Um from then on
10:10like Pump Fun just became like very very
10:13wellknown and loved and people were just
10:15like
10:16I mean bro you can call Pump and make a
10:18coin for free. like there were just a
10:19coin every single second, you know, just
10:23happening. I don't know. Like I think
10:24from then on I started trading news like
10:26anytime something big would happen IRL
10:28like I would trade the pump and coin of
10:30it. Um and like that's what I did every
10:33single day. And I think like my biggest
10:35obviously we had like some a lot of
10:36celebrity coins happen um on Pump Fun as
10:39well. But like the really really big
10:41event for me was uh the day Trump got
10:43shot. I found out that news on Pump Fun
10:46and I think everybody did and Pump Fun
10:49became like the news like like if you
10:51wanted to know something you'd go on
10:52Pump Fun and see it. Interesting. Um and
10:54so that day I I made a few hundred,000
10:56that day on coins like Earcoin cuz he
10:59got shot in the ear. Uh Survivorcoin
11:02um a lot of coins that day based around
11:04Trump and this narrative and what
11:05happened. So, yeah, it's really
11:08interesting because after my podcast
11:10with Maritz, uh, who's another memecoin
11:12trader that's been fairly successful, I
11:15kind of like started looking at the
11:17charts and it was like you were able to
11:18identify the patterns based on what was
11:21being released and what was doing well
11:22and that would kind of determine market
11:24sentiment. Um, but now that I've haven't
11:27looked at it in like a month or so, it's
11:29like, oh, I don't understand this
11:30anymore. Like do you take days off or is
11:32it like if you took three days off would
11:34it be hard to understand it or no? Is it
11:36a lot? I just took like a few weeks off
11:37and I got back into it like uh beginning
11:39of this week and I feel like I've I'm
11:41already back into it. Um I'm not trading
11:43like like Marish or like other people uh
11:46like when you think trading I don't know
11:47how you think of like I'm not holding
11:49for hours like I'm not even holding for
11:51minutes. Like I'm honestly holding like
11:52for seconds at times. Like I'm just
11:54buying the new coins that are made and
11:56if it's like something that catches my
11:58attention I'll buy it and I'll sell it
11:59really quickly. Oh, so you sell like in
12:01a couple minutes. Like my average whole
12:03time. Yes. My average whole time on like
12:05CLO, which is where you can check your
12:07thing, it's like 45 seconds. Really?
12:09Yeah. Jeez. Um Yeah. Which has it has
12:12its like cons for sure. Definitely.
12:14Yeah. Because you don't get some of the
12:15moon bags. Like do you leave like 20%.
12:18You sell all? I sell all and it's like
12:20cost me a lot of money for sure. But
12:23that is what it is. So always another
12:25coin by the way. Like always. And and
12:27it's because you're just the fastest.
12:29I'm not the fastest. No. Like people
12:31like way better than me. I'm just like
12:33not the slowest. Yeah. What does it take
12:35to be like the fastest? Is that how much
12:38you have or? No. I mean that plays like
12:40a little bit of parts. But honestly,
12:42bro, it's just time. Like I'm friends
12:44with the fastest people and like the
12:45best like um like new pair, new coin
12:49traders and it's just like how much time
12:51they put into the game. Like they don't
12:52get off, you know. But what are they
12:54looking at that maybe you're not looking
12:55at? No, we're looking at the same thing,
12:57but it's like how much faster can they
12:58get into it? And that's the tech they
13:00have. It's not the tech, it's just like
13:02how quickly they are familiar with the
13:05market, right? And that just comes with
13:07the amount of time they've put into it.
13:08It's like the amount of conviction you
13:09have about this thing just based on
13:11looking at it instantly. Like I'll be in
13:12a call with all my friends and like
13:13they'll all buy something and then like
13:15my brain will click, oh yeah, like I
13:16should probably buy that too instead of
13:17like being the first one to buy. You get
13:18me? Cuz then they dump on me. But it's
13:20okay. Makes sense. Um and then so when
13:24are you sell so you're entering
13:26positions at like what 10k uh market cap
13:2920k market cap? Yeah. Like that that's
13:31like the average but like like for
13:33example today I entered a coin at 500k
13:35market cap. Um because the developer of
13:38that coin had like 70%. And I I had a
13:41feeling that he was going to like send
13:42it over to like a fake Elon Musk wallet.
13:44It's like this whole thing that happened
13:45today. Um and I bought it at 500k. Went
13:48to like 2 mil in 10 seconds. That was
13:49like a 4x on my position. This was
13:51today. Yeah. This is today. Yeah. So,
13:53you just made 1.5 million. No, no, no,
13:55no, no. The coin the coin market cap
13:56went to Okay. Okay. Okay. So, how much
13:58did you put into that? Uh, I put in like
14:003K. I made like 8K on it. Okay. So, so
14:03you usually keep your trades at 2 to 3K.
14:05Have you done any big trades recently?
14:08Big meaning like a lot of money. Yeah.
14:10Like 30K, 40K. Yeah. I like never do
14:12that. Huh. And then I guess we've we've
14:15kind of covered this, but how do you
14:16remain so profitable? You think? Uh, I
14:20think it's just like the amount of time
14:21that I've put into it. I was really
14:23early. I was one of the first people
14:24like trenching like buying these like
14:26new coins and um Do you think it'll get
14:28easier over time or harder for me? Yeah,
14:31I guess so. For me, it'll get easier.
14:33Yeah, cuz I'll keep doing it. I I just
14:35mean like with it getting more
14:36saturated, more people getting access to
14:38the tools. I feel like it gets easier
14:39for for me cuz like I'm already at like
14:42I guess like the top. not the top
14:44because there's like people way better
14:45than me, but like you know like pretty
14:47up there I guess. I don't know. When did
14:50you first start trading meme coins and
14:51when did you first buy like Bitcoin or
14:53ETH or something like that? Started
14:55trading meme coins uh 2024 March so just
14:59last year. Uh I bought my first ever
15:01crypto in September of 2021. So like
15:04three four years. And where did you kind
15:06of get the money to I used to be a pro
15:08Fortnite player. So my Fortnite money I
15:11just grew up playing video games. just I
15:13loved it. My dad put a controller in my
15:14hands when I was like 2 years old and I
15:17loved video games growing up. I tried to
15:18go pro in every single game you could
15:20think of. Got it. So, what were you
15:22playing like? Give me the timeline.
15:24You're 21 or 22 now? I'm 22 now. You're
15:2622. So, when you were, let's say, 16
15:30years old, was the game Fortnite? Yeah.
15:32Okay. How about when you were like 10?
15:33Uh, when I was I'll give you the whole
15:35thing. So, like I started like super
15:37super early, like probably like 5 years
15:39old on the Tom Ky OG games. That's like
15:41Rainbow Six Siege. Yeah, like the OG
15:43ones. Okay. Um, then I went into like
15:46Xbox 360 days, all like the little mini
15:48games that they had, the indie games,
15:50the Castle Miner, Castle Miner Z. Um,
15:53eventually like Minecraft. Um, then from
15:55Minecraft, I transitioned to like COD
15:57and BL2, BO3, like zombies. That was
16:00like my thing. Even multiplayer though.
16:03Um, I went Rocket League, uh, Overwatch,
16:06and then Fortnite. Rocket League
16:08Professional is one of the most
16:10interesting things to watch. Oh my god.
16:11Just the how the average person plays
16:13versus professional Rocket League is
16:15like stupid. It's like they're flying
16:16the entire time versus like actually
16:18driving the car around. Highest skill
16:19gap in any game. How about So you said
16:21Call of Duty. Were you into like the
16:22whole MLG like trickshotting thing or
16:24Yeah. Yeah. No, of course. I was a huge
16:26Faze fanboy. I still am a Faze fanboy. I
16:28just know all those guys now, so it's
16:29kind of weird. Um but yeah, of course.
16:32Like Faze, Sore, Obey, Red Reserve. Did
16:35you try to get into those or were you Of
16:36course for I was like a little
16:3712-year-old with like my little fake L7
16:40era PFP on Twitter. Um like setting up
16:44trick shots on like all these doing
16:46sooies off maps. Yeah, of course.
16:47Sooies. Wow. Hitting uh dingers.
16:50Bangers. Um yeah, I used to I used to do
16:52that and then uh I tried to I was like I
16:55can't do this. I'm going to try to
16:56figure out how to edit. Um and that
16:58that's like really hard. You know what's
17:00funny? Like that was my thing too. I
17:02didn't know how to do it. So, I started
17:03doing GFX and then I joined like Psycho,
17:06you know, Psycho. I haven't heard of
17:07that one. They're like a big content as
17:08like a graphic designer and that was
17:10like kind of where I started getting my
17:12connections and stuff. Interesting.
17:13Yeah. It's funny how many video editors
17:15that are extremely good used to edit
17:17trickshotting on BO2. Like a lot of
17:20people I've worked with, that's where
17:22they started. And then a lot of them
17:23today, it seems like they were doing
17:25like Andrew Tate, affiliate hustler
17:27university, and then they became video
17:29editors, which is really interesting how
17:31culture works. But um Okay, so you're
17:33playing BO2 doing zombies. That was the
17:36days. Uh and then when did you get into
17:39Fortnite? Just when it launched straight
17:40up. Fortnite. Yeah, Fortnite came out in
17:42uh I think it was September 2017. And I
17:45was playing Pro Rocket League at the
17:46time. Um Oh, you were already pro Rocket
17:48League. Well, like semi-pro, but yeah,
17:50like I was going on to like pro Rocket
17:51League. Was that your first like game
17:53that you were pro at? It's the first
17:55game I ever got paid to play. Yeah.
17:56Okay. So, give me that story. Like, why
17:58did you decide like have you just always
18:00been better than your friends at video
18:02games or Yeah, dude. Like, no one at
18:03school could keep up any game. Really?
18:05Yeah. I was just a I don't know, try
18:07hard bro. And then where does that kind
18:09of start? Like, is it do you think it's
18:12uh somewhat natural talent? Do you think
18:14it's just hours put in? I don't know.
18:16Well, gaming is definitely like
18:19genetics, I would say. Like some people
18:21either have it or don't, right? Like
18:23it's the same reason you see like all
18:24the same pro gamers go to the next game
18:26and continue being a pro. And there's
18:28people like stuck in bronze in some
18:29certain games. You you get me? Yeah.
18:31There's people that play like League of
18:32Legends for 10 years and are still
18:33bronze. That's a crazy skill gap game,
18:36too. Um Okay. And then so where are you
18:39from originally? I'm Italian. Italian.
18:41So you're from like what part of Italy?
18:43Rome. Rome. Nice. Interesting, man. Um,
18:46and then when did you move to the US?
18:48Uh, I was uh like seven around there.
18:51Seven. Okay. Gotcha. And grow up growing
18:53up in school, you're just grinding video
18:55games. Um, and then so how much did you
18:58get paid to play Rocket League? Uh, my
19:00first ever contract uh was 500 bucks a
19:02month. 500 bucks a month. Yeah. It was a
19:04lot, bro. And then were you streaming at
19:05the time? I was streaming. Yeah. Got it.
19:07So like 20 years. So you switch into
19:09Fortnite eventually. I Why Why was the
19:12change there? That was a really hard
19:13decision to make. Um, I found myself
19:16starting to like miss out on like my
19:18Rocket League scrims with my teammates.
19:20I just want to play Fortnite all the
19:21time because it was so fun to play. And
19:23then one day, you know, I told my like
19:25org owner like, "Yo, bro, thank you for
19:27the opportunity, but I know 500 bucks a
19:29month is a lot, but like I want to
19:30pursue Fortnite and I did." And then how
19:34long did it take you to go pro in
19:35Fortnite, start making money? Fortnite
19:37came out September 2017. Uh, I think the
19:40very very early days we had like the um
19:43skirmishes going on. Um, and then in
19:462018, so like a year after. And what's a
19:49skirmish by the way? A skirmish were
19:50like the tournaments going on back then,
19:52like the winter skirmish, things like
19:54that. I think the OG Twitch rival
19:56competitions. Um, and then in September
19:582018, me and my friends come together,
19:59we make a Fortnite clan. Uh, it goes
20:01mega viral. It was called Chronic. Um,
20:04and then from then I just blew up on
20:06Fortnite. And then what was your first
20:07like tournament? like where were you
20:08ranked? Uh uh the way Fortnite works is
20:11like there's a tournament like pretty
20:12much every day. So there's nobody really
20:13like like ranking like that. Uh every
20:15like few months they have like a big
20:17tournament and like you'll rank in that.
20:18Um but yeah, I was like top 200 players.
20:23Top 200. Yeah. Gotcha. In our region I
20:26would say. Nice. And then so what's the
20:28most amount of money you made on
20:29Fortnite? Um in one tournament it was
20:31like 25 grand. And then what place did
20:33you get to in that tournament? Yeah. It
20:35was I think we got sixth or fifth. It
20:37was like a Twitch rivals event. So that
20:39was squads or duos? It was trios. Trios.
20:41Okay. Nice. So what did you do after
20:44like Fortnite? When did you kind of give
20:45up? I I just I didn't give up. Uh I did
20:48Fortnite from like 2018, 19, 20. Yeah.
20:51So like 2021, 2020, 2021, uh co came um
20:56I gave up like also more context. I grew
20:59up in like a basketball family, you
21:01know, dad played overseas. Um, I mean,
21:03as like every father wants their kid to
21:05play a sport, so like basketball is like
21:06my thing growing up. Yeah, guys, is like
21:08six foot two or six foot three. Uh, by
21:10the way, I was like shocked when I saw
21:11him in person. I was like, Jesus,
21:12something like that. Tall guy. Um, and
21:15so co comes and obviously basketball
21:18season's over. I go really into
21:19Fortnite. I really like make my mark,
21:21blow up on YouTube on Fortnite. Um,
21:24so 2020 to 2021 just like millions of
21:27views, uh, really good placements, lots
21:29of like money being earned, lots of
21:30sponsorships. I was um on a fat like
21:32Facebook deal for streaming back then.
21:34Um everything's going well and then 2021
21:39September comes around. Uh buddy of mine
21:41tells me like NFTs, crypto. That's when
21:43I buy my first crypto. I get a little
21:45bit into NFTs, make some money um and
21:48then lose it all. But by that time, like
21:50by the time I lost it all, I was already
21:51so deep into crypto and NFTTS that like
21:55there was no going back to Fortnite cuz
21:56you're getting a taste of like what the
21:58real world money kind of felt like. How
22:00much money did you have and how much
22:01money did you like go did you go to
22:03zero? Yeah, I went to like worse than
22:05zero. Um, look, I started NFTTS in 2021
22:08with like my whole bank account which
22:11probably like $6,000 at that time. Um,
22:15bought an NFT with it. Uh, that allowed
22:17me to get into an event in New York,
22:19NFTYC. Oh, nice. I went there, met a lot
22:22of people, and from like November to
22:26I guess like June, July, um, made a few
22:29hundred grand. Um, a few hundred grand
22:32with just NFTs. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Uh, but
22:35I mean like I lost it all. It was all
22:37like unrealized, bro. It's like all
22:38these like board eight profits that I
22:39like held on to. Thought they were going
22:40to go to like multi7 figs. Yeah. Just
22:42like wrote it all the way down. And uh,
22:44obviously I had a lot of ETH at like
22:464.7K. I got an ETH tattoo at 4,700, by
22:50the way. Um, and then I held all that
22:53ETH, bro, and it just like went to 800
22:55bucks and I was still holding. And at
22:57800 bucks, I remember I was sitting in
22:58the parking lot at Lifetime. I'm like,
22:59"All right, I'm going to sell this
23:00shit." And then with like four reverse,
23:02I was like, "All right." You sold the
23:04bottom at the bottom. Yeah. What would
23:05you say was like the most amount of
23:07money you had at that time? So, you were
23:0818 or 19? I was 18. Um, it was a lot.
23:12Like if you sold at the top everything,
23:13it was probably like a million or almost
23:15like 700, 800K. Yeah. And then that went
23:17to zero. Zero. Like worse than zero
23:19because uh at that time I like I was 18y
23:22old with money, bro. I bought Lambos and
23:25do really stupid [ __ ] Um and bro, just
23:28lifestyle inflation when you first got
23:30money. Couldn't like keep up with it
23:31when the bull market like really left.
23:34So what were the steps to uh get your
23:36money back? To get my money back, bro.
23:38Um so I lose all the money. I'm a little
23:40bit in debt and I start doing
23:41everything. Start watching all the all
23:43the courses, all the videos. I uh over
23:46here watching YouTube, Iman uh you know
23:49everybody Jordan Welch I buy every
23:50course with like the last money I had on
23:52my credit card on your credit card. So
23:54you're going into debt. I uh I bought
23:56Iman 1500 uh grow your agency on my AX.
24:00I was like a [ __ ] Um
24:02and I I made it an agency scaled it to
24:05like 20K a month. Um and that that like
24:08kept me from going underwater. That was
24:10September 2022 until like January 2023.
24:14In January 2023, uh, two years ago now,
24:17I get a really big break. There's this
24:19gaming competition going on. Nobody
24:20knows about it. It's a board ape gaming
24:23competition called Dookkey Dash. And
24:25that bails me out. I get like third
24:26place in that, make 600 grand, and I'm
24:29back up again. So, um, yeah, I do want
24:32to back up. That's a fascinating story
24:34that that was such a great clip to
24:36watch. uh the video of you winning that
24:37tournament and you're like, "Yo, yo,
24:39everyone, uh be quiet. Uh wait,
24:41everyone, can you guys talk to me for a
24:42second?" Yeah. Clear calms. Clear calms.
24:44Clear comms. Um and then one guy like
24:46did it clear comms and you're like, "And
24:47then I died." Yeah. Yeah. You're like,
24:49"Oh, I still won. We're good." Imagine
24:51if you didn't win, you probably would
24:52have been pretty. Um but so your agency,
24:56what is what's an agency to you? Because
24:59that's just like one of those terms. It
25:00can mean everything.
25:03Yeah. Service you're providing. And what
25:04were you doing for people? Uh we were
25:06doing clipping before it became like
25:08this whole big thing and just like this
25:10is 2022.
25:12Okay. So you one of the first people
25:13clipping for a lot of gamers. Um so like
25:17I went to my you know rich Fortnite
25:19friends like hey guys 1,000 bucks a
25:21month I'll clip for you and put you on
25:22TikTok and bro it worked. It blew up a
25:25lot of them. A lot of them you know got
25:26millions of views for a lot of like my
25:27Valerant friends um Fortnite friends and
25:31yeah just got like 10 of those guys. We
25:32were clipping for Neon back when Neon
25:34was like not this big. Um, where did you
25:37uh get the idea for like clipping
25:38agency? Ian Gaji. Oh, so he was already
25:41talking about that in SMMA. Well, he
25:43wasn't talking about like clipping, but
25:44he was talking about SMMA. So, that was
25:46my SMA. The service I could provide of
25:48marketing was like putting Twitch clips
25:50onto like other platforms. So, you had
25:52to be one of the first people doing
25:53clipping. I would say I guess it was
25:55like when Musa was starting. I remember
25:57because we were like Okay, gotcha. So
25:59you did that and then uh tell me about
26:01the the gaming 600k that you won. Yeah,
26:04man. So, you know, from September to
26:06January over here trying every side
26:07hustle I can. Literally everything. Um
26:10walk me through what you tried. I I want
26:11to hear it. Everything. Like I tried
26:12YouTube cash cows. I was like um that's
26:15just like faceless channels, dude. Yeah.
26:16And I was doing like the YouTube shorts.
26:18Did you know Mr. Beast? Blah blah blah
26:19blah blah. Um were you using your voice?
26:22Yeah, I did that. We ran up a channel to
26:24100K subs. Um,
26:28uh, I tried like Snapchat stuff. I, uh,
26:30I think this is like Tik Tok shop. I
26:32think Tik Tok shop was around here. Like
26:34what did you do with Snapchat? Uh, we
26:35tried shows like the Mr. B stuff. Was
26:38that through Luke? No, it was not. It
26:40was not. I was just I've been friends
26:41with Luke and like he was doing it and
26:43so I I just tried to do it by myself as
26:45well. Did you not make any money from
26:47that or? Not really. No, we weren't very
26:48successful with it. Probably like a few
26:50thousand bucks. Gotcha. Um, that was
26:52that was a lot of my big success, but
26:54maybe we were just earlier at the time.
26:55We were doing news stuff. So, I I assume
26:58that that's how you got so good at news
27:00because uh like when you do new Snapchat
27:02shows, it's all about can you get it out
27:03before everyone else and can you like
27:05produce the content faster than everyone
27:06else? Um, that's interesting. So, a few
27:09few thousand from Snapchat and you went
27:11to Tik Tok shop. What were you doing
27:12with Tik Tok? Tik Tok shop. Uh, dude, I
27:14was doing like just just everything you
27:16could think of, bro. Just uh trying to
27:17sell any product. I remember like
27:19faceless content for yourself. Faceless
27:20Faceless Faceless content like in my car
27:22in my Tesla and like I was just doing
27:24this with all my friends and what else
27:25were we doing? I think around this time
27:27Fortnite maps comes out. No, no,
27:30Fortnite maps after. Um, so yeah, Tik
27:33Tok shop SMMA 20K a month keeping me
27:35alive like not super underwater. I'm
27:37able to afford the minimum credit card
27:39payment bills and the the rent and the
27:41cars. Uh, eventually I sell the cars.
27:43Um, this after Dookie Dash though, uh,
27:46January 18th, this video game tournament
27:49starts. I get hit up to play and from
27:51January to March, I play Dookkey Dash,
27:54make 600 grand. So, yeah. And what's
27:55Dookkey Dash? That's the the video game.
27:57It was like an endless runner. Think of
27:58like Subway Surfers. But, uh, it was
28:01through Board API Club. Like, like they
28:03made the video game. So, they made the
28:04video game. And why is that like why did
28:06they put money into that? Uh, they
28:08didn't they uh put NFTts up for the
28:10prize. Okay. And so the people
28:12speculated on what those NFTs were going
28:14to be worth. Did you sell yours
28:15immediately? Of course I was selling all
28:17of them immediately. Yeah. I learned
28:18from my 2021 days, bro. And did that get
28:21you some kind of like street credit in
28:23the space? Was that like the big moment
28:24for you? That was the big moment. That's
28:26when I became the number one like web 3
28:29gaming guy, but that never took off like
28:31the whole crypto gaming. It might one
28:33day, but not when I was like trying to
28:35get really into it. So you made 600K
28:38from a video game uh winning the
28:39tournament. What did you do with that
28:41money? Uh, funny enough, I didn't learn
28:43entirely, right? I, uh, put 250K into
28:46that into an NFT collection that I got
28:48super bullish on and it went to zero.
28:50Um, so I had like 300K left. I pay off
28:54all my debts. I
28:58just bought a car cash. Um,
29:01down payment on the house, uh, and just
29:05saved the rest of the money. um stacked
29:08it up in soul, stacked it up in ETH. Uh
29:12and yeah, the whole market just went up.
29:14So that that kind of went up. And what
29:16were you working on after that? Right
29:17after the tournament, it gave me a lot
29:19of street cred, right? So now I'm this
29:20web 3 gaming guy. Uh have every game
29:22like, yo, you got to try us out. And I
29:25was able to scale like the Orangey brand
29:27of web 3 gaming up to like 50k a month.
29:29So, I was making 50K a month from uh the
29:33end of Doogie Dash March 2023 up until
29:36started memecoins. And where was that
29:38revenue from? Sponsors, bro. Like uh
29:41sponsored projects. Cryptos have like a
29:43lot of crypto projects have big money.
29:45And like all I had to do was play the
29:47video game. Like play the video game and
29:49stream it, make content on it, record
29:50it. Did that go super viral when you won
29:53or like why why did you have such street
29:55cred from like winning that? It went
29:56viral in crypto. Yeah. Okay, got Yeah,
29:58cuz like you know I didn't win by the
30:01way. I got I got third. Um that clip you
30:03saw was like me winning that section
30:05though. Um got it. Like first place got
30:07$2.2 million. Uh you know [ __ ] No
30:10Fortnite player as well. Like the
30:12Fortnite boys ran that. Yeah, bro. I got
30:14street credit cuz I was the only one
30:16streaming it. I was the only one
30:16recording it. So like for for all of
30:18cryptos like yo can make our gaming like
30:21our crypto gaming stuff like pretty
30:22mainstream. Um I tried that for a year.
30:24It didn't work out, bro. Just crypto
30:26games aren't good right now. people
30:27think that it'll play a big part in the
30:29future and I do too. So, but yeah, from
30:31March 2023 until like March 2024, I'm
30:34doing that. Uh, right around September
30:36of 2023, I start the Fortnite map
30:38business. I did that. Um, how did that
30:41go, dude? It went pretty well. How much
30:42money can you make with Fortnite maps,
30:44dude? [ __ ] millions of dollars.
30:46Really? Yeah, dude. Like a lot. Like cuz
30:49I know I know Luke uh who was doing some
30:51crazy numbers on Snapchat shows is like,
30:53"This is what I do now, Jack." And I'm
30:55like, "Yeah, well, I don't know how to
30:56play Fortnite." Uh, so I don't really
30:58doubt I know how to do this whole map
31:00thing. Uh, he kind of had a competitive
31:01edge already being a pro Fortnite
31:03player. Um, so like, yeah, you said it
31:05makes millions of dollars. There's maps
31:07that make like eight figures a month.
31:08Yeah. And just for people who have no
31:11idea like what a Fortnite map is,
31:12haven't played since the game came out,
31:14like what is uh it, how do they make
31:16money? Yeah. Yeah. So, you make money by
31:18having players on your map. Um, a
31:21Fortnite map can just be like any
31:22experience that you're building within
31:24the game. like a like a tycoon, like a
31:26box fights, builds fight map, a zone
31:29wars. Um, Fortnite is much bigger than
31:31like the original battle royale mode
31:32now. A multiverse of millions of mini
31:35games on their site. And how does
31:38Fortnite pay you? Like, do they just
31:40have so much money they're just giving
31:41it away? Well, it's a good question. I
31:43don't know how that monetization model
31:45works. If you have a lot of players on
31:47your map, I'm guessing you're keeping
31:48them on the game, which makes them spend
31:51more money. Yeah, I'm not sure how that
31:52works. And Fortnite makes money buying
31:54skins predominantly. Um, okay. And then
31:57what makes a good Fortnite map? Uh, how
32:00addicting can you make it to like little
32:01kids? But my specialty was uh brands. We
32:04uh made Fortnite maps for a lot of
32:05brands. So, did you get paid from the
32:07brands and from Fortnite? We made a lot
32:09more money from the brands than from
32:11Fortnite, but both. How'd you get into
32:13that, bro? I just started reaching out
32:15to Okay. Okay. So, these crypto gaming
32:17companies I'm working with, I start
32:19pitching them all like, "Yo, you want
32:21like to get into gaming, bro? Like, make
32:23a Fortnite map. Pay me to make your
32:25Fortnite map." Uh, and yeah, we just we
32:28just did that. Make some good money with
32:29that. Give Give me some numbers. Like,
32:31how much would like a brand pay like six
32:33figures? Oh, how much would one brand
32:35play? Uh, bro, like anywhere from like
32:36depending on how time consuming these
32:39maps were, which could be a lot, like,
32:40you know, anywhere from like 5 to 20 um,
32:43okay, for a map. I mean, I know studios
32:46that charge 100k for a map. So, and it
32:49was just an advertising play for them
32:50and then you got paid by Fortnite. I
32:53would get paid by the studio. A lot of
32:55these maps didn't go anywhere. No one
32:57ever played them. It's just like for the
32:58brand to say, "Hey, you know, we have a
32:59Fortnite map. We have a Fortnite map."
33:01And then, did you ever have any ultra
33:02successful maps? We had one that was
33:05averaging a few thousand players a day,
33:07which was making a few hundred bucks an
33:08hour. So, a few hundred bucks an hour
33:10just on a few thousand players. Yeah,
33:12that's a lot of players, by the way. But
33:14but yeah. Yeah. It just doesn't like I
33:16don't a few thousand players playing a
33:19day. Huh. But there's like millions of
33:21players on Fortnite, right? Yeah.
33:22Fortnite pays out millions of dollars a
33:24day. Yeah. Huh. Do you know any of like
33:26your friends uh like what kind of their
33:29numbers are? You don't have to say any
33:30names. I I have a friend who made the uh
33:33you know some boxite maps that went very
33:35viral and they're doing you know 10 mil
33:37a month 10 million a month from Fortnite
33:40maps. And how do you get into that? Like
33:42uh do you pay who who are you paying to
33:45build them? Is it just other people? I
33:46was in the trenches myself. Like me and
33:47my best friend, we were making these
33:49building. We were learning how to code
33:51on Verse, which is uh the Fortnite
33:53Unreal Studio. Um you have to use coding
33:55to build them. It's not just like you
33:56you can like just place items. Yeah. But
33:59like for like really complex stuff, you
34:00have to code. So um there's the before
34:03like Chatty as well. And then go from
34:05there like how do you uh marketing?
34:08Yeah. From there it's like how do you
34:09market a Fortnite? Yeah, Tik Tok.
34:11Honestly, a lot of clipping stuff in
34:13common there as well. Uh, paying a lot
34:15of creators, like a lot of Fortnite
34:16creators. Um, money per views. Got it.
34:20Like, play on my map and I'll pay you
34:22500 bucks if you get 10,000 views or
34:24something like that, you know. Okay. So,
34:25it's like this whole affiliate marketing
34:27system with the maps themselves. And
34:29then we also had like this um
34:33and then people people would also do
34:35this thing where like they would market
34:36their maps on Tik Tok and YouTube
34:38shorts. I never did this. Um, and it'd
34:40be like, "Hey, you join this map, you
34:42can get a million XP." And then all
34:44these little kids are like, "Oh my god,
34:46I can like level up 100 levels. Let me
34:48go play that map." Yeah. And uh I never
34:50did that, but it was very lucrative for
34:52those who did. Do you think this is
34:54still a good opportunity doing that?
34:56Yes. Uh Fortnite maps in general. Yeah.
34:58There's a lot of competition though.
34:59It's very oversaturated. I was like one
35:00of the earliest people to do it, but
35:02100%. And then what would like do you
35:05have to be a pro Fortnite player to be
35:07good at this? You don't need to know how
35:08to play. You don't need to know how to
35:09play Fortnite. People like quit like
35:11their full-time coding jobs to go make
35:13Fortnite apps instead, bro. So, are is
35:14that the people who's who are working on
35:16this? Like people with experience with
35:17code. Like if you were going to hire
35:18someone like what would be your hires
35:20for Fortnite map? I started Fortnite map
35:22studio business right now. I would
35:24definitely get like some people with uh
35:26verse coding experience and knowledge of
35:28how to make maps. Now it's so much
35:30competition, bro. It's been around for
35:31like two to three years. The best maps
35:33are doing 100k players like average like
35:36right now. M um and then are there like
35:39new maps popping up all the time? Every
35:40day. Every minute. I'm sure there's a
35:41new map. Okay. So, it's kind of like
35:43similar to meme coins and that it's
35:44news-based. Like you're trying to be the
35:46first map market the best. Yeah. Yeah.
35:48I'm sure it is also news based. Like I'm
35:50sure if like like when when that Trump
35:52event happened, I'm sure like somebody
35:53did a Trump map. Yeah. Yeah. That's
35:57interesting. Trump one v one map.
35:59Um Okay. So, you did Fortnite maps. What
36:02was the thing after that? Uh meme coins.
36:05Okay. So there's millions of dollars in
36:08Snapchat to my knowledge, millions of
36:10dollars in Tik Tok shop, tens of
36:11millions in Fortnite maps. Seems like
36:14you've done pretty well at all of these
36:16and have a good track record. Why are
36:18memecoins like the best opportunity? I
36:21think it was very relatable to like
36:22playing a video game. So, and I didn't
36:25have to
36:26do anything but like play the game, you
36:30know, like all this building business
36:32stuff, you have to like talk to people.
36:34you have to actually do the business
36:35stuff. And I think at that time in my
36:37life, I just wanted to get back into
36:39like my roots of like just grinding on
36:40my computer 24/7. Yeah. And that's what
36:42Memecoins like presented to me to be
36:44honest. Like I could just not talk to
36:46anybody, just my friends in a call and
36:49click buttons and make money. And what
36:52was your first big success with a
36:53memecoin? Um,
36:56two soul into 10 on a coin called Ducker
37:00was my first trade ever. And I remember
37:02the liquidity got pulled on that coin.
37:04So I sold right before they did that. Um
37:06back in the day you're in the trenches
37:08for real. Um like a lot of meme coins
37:12are happening. A lot of new ones are
37:13being made. So you're joining like all
37:15the the Telegram group chats, the
37:16Twitter group chats. Um back in the day
37:19you would be on a voice call with the
37:20developer of these tokens and they would
37:22be like, "I'm not going to rug you guys.
37:24Don't worry." And as soon as they say
37:25that just they would pull the liquidity.
37:28Uh this is like pre- pump on days. Um,
37:31but yeah, Ducker was my first play. I
37:33think that was like 300 bucks into uh
37:35like 1,500. And I, dude, I got so
37:37addicted. Like, I loved it. Um, I
37:40dropped all my Web3 gaming sponsors cuz
37:42I didn't want to talk about crypto
37:43gaming anymore. I didn't want to record.
37:45It was a waste of time to like go record
37:47a video and upload it for like a,000
37:49bucks. Obviously, it's a lot, but like I
37:51felt like the opportunity cost like I
37:53would look at a million coins being made
37:55while I'm recording this like crypto
37:57gaming stuff, you know? Yeah. Um, so I
37:59dropped all those sponsors, bro. I I let
38:01go of like 40 50k a month in income. Um,
38:04obviously it paid off, but And what time
38:07was this? This was end of 2023. This is
38:09beginning of like this is March, April
38:11of last year. 2024. Got it. 2024. Okay.
38:16And then so basically I think I read
38:19that from March to December, you didn't
38:21leave your room. Yeah. From March until
38:23November. I would say that's very
38:24accurate. Yeah. November. And then so is
38:28that just the advantage with memecoins
38:30just being awake all day at your
38:31computer? Yeah, that's all. Did you
38:34sleep much? Yeah. Yeah, I slept. No, I
38:35would sleep a lot. Uh I it would cost me
38:37a lot of money sleeping, but yeah, I
38:40still slept. I would go out here and
38:41then. Um
38:43but the majority of my days were like
38:4710:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Around 4: I'd
38:49take a break, get dinner. I'd walk I was
38:51in Burka at the time. Walk downstairs,
38:53Kasatua, whatever. and then 7:00 p.m. to
38:56like 2 a.m.
38:57And what were you doing in those days?
39:00You've kind of told me a bit about it,
39:01but is it like I think you have like a
39:03six monitor setup or something crazy at
39:06the time? I didn't um
39:09I was just dude just sitting there, bro.
39:11Just sitting in front of the computer,
39:13three monitors, camera, and I would just
39:17um trade meme coins. Were you streaming
39:20all this? No, I wasn't streaming. I
39:21would trade meme coins and then I would
39:22record videos sometimes on teaching
39:23people how to do it. Um and then that
39:26blew up and then yeah my YouTube blew up
39:31that that brought a lot of um like extra
39:34attention to me. It blew up on my
39:36socials. I created a Discord server to
39:38provide like tools for people uh which
39:40is what you were talking about um
39:42earlier outside the podcast um potion.
39:45Uh yeah like everything just kind of
39:48went from there. So, why did you decide
39:50to launch Potion? Because it seems like
39:53you were in your room uh all this time.
39:55Like, why do you have to sit there and
39:58watch everything? Why can't you set up
40:00tools to automatically track stuff?
40:01Like, why is it so manual? Like requires
40:04you to be there? Cuz I feel like a lot
40:05of it is just like uh being in the right
40:07head space, right? Like I can get a
40:08notification right now like 10 wallets
40:11just bought Trump coin, which is really
40:13what did happen back in January 18th of
40:15this year. Um, I got those
40:17notifications, but I wasn't in the right
40:18headsp space. I wasn't talking to my
40:20boys who have like who are all doing
40:22research trying to figure out if it's
40:23real. All I get are like these alerts
40:25like they're not going to press a buy
40:27button for me. You know what I'm saying?
40:28So, like being in the game is very
40:30important. Um, I decided to make potion
40:32though because at the time I was
40:35spending like 3 to 5k a month on the
40:37tools that I was using and I was like
40:40what if I make a Discord server and I
40:42put all these tools in them and I charge
40:4420 bucks a week and it just gets paid
40:46for by people joining it and using the
40:48tools for me and it started off as just
40:50the tools. Then I made a chat then I
40:52made a voice call and those voice calls
40:55got got full. Hundreds of people in
40:56there every day just chatting, talking
40:59about meme coins, uh, trading together
41:02and it blew up. And how many members do
41:04you have in your discord? 15K. 15K.
41:08Gotcha. And then how much would you say
41:10potion makes you a month? Obviously like
41:13during uh I think one of the things I've
41:15realized like building a crypto business
41:16like you're going to feel the hits when
41:18it comes like when the whole market
41:19plummets. But uh at our peak we were
41:21doing a mill a month and now we're doing
41:24like 300 a month. So you're making a
41:27million a month just from we were. Yeah.
41:29Yeah. Now we're doing 300 a month. But
41:31that's just from the Discord like the
41:32tools and everything. So how much does
41:34it cost to join? Uh it's 100 bucks a
41:36month. 100 bucks a month. And are there
41:37like tiers to it? Like you can get more.
41:40Okay. So it's 115,000 people and they're
41:43all paying $100. No. No. A lot of them
41:44are free members as well. Free members.
41:46But uh they get access to some tools
41:48just not all of them. What tools do
41:50people have? The most important ones are
41:52like just uh the ability to track
41:53people's social media posts in real
41:55time. So like Instagram, Truth, Social,
41:59um Twitter, Tik Tok. Uh being able to
42:02see like those posts come out like this,
42:04like the millisecond they're posted is
42:06like the biggest advantage anybody can
42:07have. How do you avoid uh something that
42:10happened to me a few months ago when I
42:11was into this uh really heavy was Alon
42:14posted uh like a CA and it was like Pump
42:17Fun token. Um and that was a hack. Yeah.
42:20Yeah, it was a hack. But Alon definitely
42:22did not do that. Yeah. Yeah. Um or maybe
42:24Pump Fun posted it and then he said this
42:26was a hack. Um and how do I avoid not
42:29falling for that? Yeah. Yeah. How do you
42:30avoid that? So there's where like the
42:32experience comes in. Like there's no way
42:34Pun was dropping a token like that. So I
42:36don't know.
42:37It doesn't even bother me. I knew it was
42:38a hack. I bought it just cuz like I knew
42:40people were going to fall for it. Like I
42:41sold like this. Um but what factors do
42:44you think about? It's like has this
42:45person said they'll never do one before?
42:47No. I just feel like I've been in the
42:49industry for so long. I knew pump isn't
42:51dro like stealth launching a token like
42:53that. You know what I'm saying? Like
42:54Yeah. I also don't know if they would
42:55launch on pump either.
42:58That's fair. Like just drop the CA just
42:59like that. Like anytime that happens
43:00it's like such an obvious like hack most
43:02of the time. And then Trump. Did you
43:04think Trump was a hack? I did think
43:05Trump was a hack and that's why we're
43:07not filming this in my Dorado villa
43:10right now.
43:12Um yeah, bro. I thought I thought Trump
43:15was a hack. Um
43:17yeah, it hurts to think about that day
43:19like a lot cuz it's cuz a lot of my
43:21friends are like I said, "Bro, they
43:23don't get traded anymore. A lot of my
43:24friends are done." Did you buy into it
43:26at all? I did buy into it. Yeah. I was
43:28uh eating uh I was I bought an hour
43:31after I took a nap, woke up, saw it, and
43:33I was like, what was it at when you
43:34bought it? $7. That's uh it's very late.
43:38I bought it at 40 cents, 400 mark. Okay.
43:42I buy 30K at dinner and I'm looking
43:44through on my phone and I'm getting
43:46fudded cuz I'm looking at Twitter and
43:47there's like, oh, the domain was just
43:48registered. It must be fake. I'm like,
43:50all right, [ __ ] this [ __ ] I'm just
43:51going to enjoy my dinner. It's probably
43:52a hack. I sell. I keep looking at the
43:55chart. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And then
43:57he tweets it out cuz first it was posted
43:59on truth. Um, and that's it, bro. It
44:02never goes down. It just like goes up
44:04for days. Yeah. I think my friends
44:06collectively made over like $100 million
44:07on that. So So you bought in at 40 cents
44:10and then at what point did you sell? I
44:12sold at like 45 cents. I sold like
44:13pretty instantly, bro. I'm just
44:14scrolling through Twitter really fast,
44:16you know, doing my research as fast as
44:17possible and I just get fed out. Did you
44:19buy into Melania? I did buy into
44:21Melania. I was at the gym and I made
44:22like 20K on it, but it wasn't the bro.
44:24Didn't feel the same. Yeah. And
44:26obviously the results weren't the same
44:27either. Were those launched by the same
44:29people? Do you know? Um, from what I
44:32know, uh, they're not launched by the
44:34same people. Um, but what I know is just
44:37like things I read on Twitter. So yeah,
44:39I don't know like anyone behind a team
44:40or nothing like that. I'm not no Cabal.
44:43Not yet. One day. Nah. Yeah. The cabal.
44:46Uh, what is the crypto cabal? Dude,
44:49there's like tons of cabal. Cabal are
44:50like groups of people that come together
44:52and will pump a token. who like who are
44:55the different cabals? Like how many are
44:57there? Like how many people? Like just
44:58to your I have no idea. I mean I'm sure
45:00cabal can be like a few people and yeah
45:03like I don't know like 10 people maybe.
45:04I I have genuinely no idea. Like people
45:06will have this misconception that like
45:08I'm part of a cabal just cuz I'm like a
45:10decent pump trader. But the cabal are
45:12like the guys making millions a day, you
45:14know, like launching these like billion
45:16dollar market cap tokens. And then is
45:18that like uh the teams on these
45:20exchanges probably? Like is it like
45:23there? I don't know, bro. Like like
45:24truly like I uh I don't know. All I know
45:27is like what I read on Twitter and like
45:28what I hear from other people. Um when
45:31the Trump thing happened, obviously
45:32there was like a lot of talk that like
45:34maybe Meteoro was involved. Um like that
45:37sort of like group, but all I know is
45:40what I read on Twitter. So the people
45:43that you get your information, your
45:45alpha uh from now, like how did you go
45:48about building that up? you talked about
45:50originally it was some of your Fortnite
45:51friends. Uh like it stayed that way.
45:54Like it was it's always been like
45:56Fortnite friends. Um there is no one I
45:58get like information from because like
46:00I'm saying I'm holding these coins for a
46:02few seconds. The only information we'll
46:04get is like uh coin comes out. Um I'm
46:07looking at like a Twitter page. My
46:08friend will look at a website the
46:10website say all right we sell. Like the
46:12only info that we really have. How many
46:14meme coins do you buy a day? Hundreds.
46:16Hundreds. Yeah. And that's what price is
46:20that average like on average it's market
46:22cap $3,000 a coin. How much you put in?
46:24Uh like my quick buy button right now is
46:26set to 3.5 soul. So like 600 bucks will
46:28be my quick buy button. So anywhere from
46:30600 to 20 soul max which is like four
46:34grand right now I think. I don't know.
46:36Okay. So about 600 bucks uh for quick
46:38buy. And then you're usually buying that
46:41at 10k market cap. Yeah I would say it's
46:43pretty accurate. And then you wait for
46:45it to get onchain migrate. Um, no. I'll
46:49sell before migrating all the time. You
46:51sell before migrating? Yeah. Okay. And
46:53then is there any time that you ever
46:54just hold it to like multi-million
46:56market cap? Nope.
46:59Unless it's like the most obvious play
47:01of all time, but like the chances of me
47:03getting in that at 10K are pretty rare.
47:06If something is really good, like let's
47:08see. Um, today
47:11the White House has been posting some
47:12memes. They posted one of like a like a
47:15deportation meme and ticker to port went
47:18to 800K. I got in at like 50k and I sold
47:21most of it before 300k. That's cuz the
47:24market's different. If it was like a few
47:25months ago, maybe I would hold to like
47:27multi-mills and um like for example
47:30peanut. Yeah. The squirrel. Uh I was in
47:32that at 50k and I held a lot of peanut
47:34till like 3 mil, but it ended up going
47:36to two bill. So I mean it doesn't really
47:37matter if I held a 3 mil. Yeah. Yeah. So
47:39peanut the squirrel. Do you know the guy
47:41behind that? I don't. Um, I thought
47:43Peanut was like super organic. I mean,
47:45obviously there's like the team who runs
47:46the socials and all that, but uh, I have
47:48heard that there's like a cabal behind
47:49Peanut. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was a
47:51community takeover. I'm not really sure
47:53what that means. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean,
47:55I know Peanut was like a CTO just like
47:57Mang. Um, when I think about Cabal, I
48:00don't think about like the guys who are
48:01like corning up supply and like CTO a
48:03token. When I think Cabal, I'm thinking
48:05like the guys who are like launching
48:07tokens. Um, I know peanut was not like a
48:10cabal launch cuz I was in peanut at 50k.
48:13I saw the pump on trench come out. How
48:15do you catch the coins though that like
48:17when Trump launched for instance or if
48:19Kanye launched a coin right now, it
48:20wouldn't even be in that pre-migration
48:23stage. I'd have to just top blast, which
48:25means just buying at the highest price,
48:27whatever that price may be. Okay. Like
48:28if Kanye tedd a coin right now. Yeah. If
48:31I was at my computer, I would see it
48:32within a few seconds. So would everybody
48:34else trenching meme coins. Um, and we
48:36would all just buy on top of each other.
48:38And what website are you on? I'm on
48:40Nova, which is my own trading bot. Got
48:42it. You said you lose more than you win.
48:45Yeah. Numbers of times. Yes. I've lost a
48:48lot of trades today, but I had one good
48:50trade that made up for it for all the
48:51losses. So, and that one good trade, was
48:54it just you're the earliest? It's like a
48:57100x, 10x. It was a 5x. 5x. Okay. Like
49:01how much do people make off like making
49:04new coins every day? Rug pulling like
49:07devs. Um probably a lot more than me.
49:09Yeah. Yeah. Like I'd say dubbing coins
49:12on Pump Fun is probably one of the best
49:13side hustles for you to try right now if
49:15you want to make money.
49:17Yeah. Um Yeah. I mean I have like mixed
49:20emotions about that. Like I don't really
49:21see it as like a I mean it depends,
49:23right? The way I see it is like if uh
49:27Trump got a dog right now and nobody
49:28knew, somebody has to make that pun. So
49:32the dev making that is kind of fair game
49:34in my opinion. Isn't it pretty easy to
49:35make it? Yeah, it's free. Just go and
49:37pump that fun and create the coin. Put
49:39the image and the name and that's it. Is
49:40that just feel like morally wrong to you
49:42or um for me personally like the the
49:45reason like I I wouldn't do it was well
49:46obviously like I'm sure the influence I
49:48have is would probably um influence the
49:51chart. I wouldn't want that to happen.
49:53Also, I feel like I have a bigger edge
49:55just trading. Like I feel like I can be
49:57the first one to buy the coin, just wait
49:58for it to come out rather than like
50:00waste time to make it. But there's
50:02people that have bots, dude. As soon as
50:03Trump will tweet like the coin made.
50:06Yeah. I'm guessing a lot of people have
50:07that with Elon as well. Yes. Oh my god.
50:09Elon. Yeah. That's like CT's favorite
50:11guy. He tweeted a crypto meme at 4:00
50:13a.m. Two nights ago. I was asleep some
50:15Poseidon meme and it was like actually
50:17let me show you. Can I show you? Yeah.
50:19And this went super crazy. So he he
50:21tweeted out there's an old saying if a
50:23hot girl texts you about crypto block
50:25him Poseidon. Yeah. And this went to
50:27like 10 mil on Salana. So it was just
50:29like dollar sign Poseidon token. Yeah.
50:30Hey. Hey. Okay. You get it? Yeah. Yeah.
50:33Why did you assume that that was going
50:34to be the the ticker? Because that was
50:36the face associated with the thing.
50:38Yeah. You know, but I'm sure there were
50:39ones like uh crypto hot girl. Yeah.
50:42Yeah. Exactly. And the profile picture
50:45was the Poseidon cropped in or was it
50:47the whole meme? It was the Poseidon
50:48cropped in. Yeah. Okay, that's
50:50interesting. Like you get it like you
50:51know. Yeah. No, I I heavily considered I
50:53was like I think I could launch these
50:54and like have better ones than these
50:56people and like make a website quickly.
50:57Um because like if they don't have a
51:00website, it doesn't go nearly as memes
51:02like this doesn't really matter anymore.
51:04Um cuz they're short-term pump and dumps
51:06anyways. Like every coin on pumping goes
51:08to zero. Uh yeah, websites don't matter.
51:11I would say like the ticker and the
51:12image being clear uh spelled correctly.
51:15You'd be surprised how many uh spotting
51:17mistakes will happen on these coins that
51:19go to like a mill and then the correctly
51:21spelled one will go to like 2 mil and
51:22vamp the other one which means like kill
51:24the other token. Do you think Elon Musk
51:26started memecoins
51:28to be honest around like really early to
51:30the game and I don't know a lot about
51:32like what happened back then. I know
51:33this isn't memecoin first super cycle. I
51:35know there was like a BNB memecoin cycle
51:38a while ago. Um so I don't know. But
51:41does all this stem from like the Doge
51:43thing? I also don't know like that
51:45that's like way past my time. I know
51:46Elon plays a big influence in our
51:48memecoin game today. But you're really
51:50big that this is going to last for a
51:51while. Do you see yourself doing this
51:52for like the next few years or like what
51:54would have to happen? I don't know. Um
51:57I thought I was done uh at the end of
52:00November and I think very recently I've
52:03realized that I'm nowhere near done. Um
52:08so I'm going to keep grinding this out
52:09for for a bit more. And that's because
52:11Trump tweeted the whole it's a good time
52:13to buy and that's kind of what sparked
52:15the markets. No man, it's just like like
52:17my personal goals and ambitions. I don't
52:19feel like I'm there yet to kind of like
52:20call it quits. Um after November, uh
52:25made a lot of money. Just kind of went
52:27to go travel the world and chill for a
52:28bit. Um and I just realized like, bro, I
52:31I like trenching. I like being in front
52:33of my computer. I like trading and
52:34making money. And I still think that
52:35there's a lot of opportunity. And I
52:37realized like
52:39one day like I'm gonna regret not taking
52:41full advantage of this because like
52:44there will never be anything easier to
52:47make money online than memecoins really.
52:49I mean where are you going to go turn
52:51a,000 into 100,000 in an hour at the
52:53casino. That's it. Literally no business
52:56ever will be able to do it. U obviously
52:58people lose a lot too. I'm not oblivious
53:00to that but uh it's my personal favorite
53:03side hustle I've done. Where do you keep
53:05your uh money after you trade a
53:07memecoin? Do you just keep it in? I was
53:08a big crypto guy. I was a big uh ledger.
53:11I was a big crypto guy. And then people
53:13around me started getting robbed and I'm
53:15like, you know, what do I want to do? I
53:18took all the precautionary steps. Um to
53:22be as safe as possible. And now, bro, a
53:24lot of my money is just like in banks,
53:26high yield savings accounts, real
53:28estate. Um or I guess after a trade
53:31specifically, like after a trade
53:32specifically, too. like I'll keep like
53:3550 to 100 so to trade with um more on a
53:37vault but bro a lot of my crypto is just
53:39like offloaded to exchanges with like
53:41really good security or um captain
53:44ledgers but a lot of it honestly just
53:45bank like a lot of it I been instant
53:47profiting out what's a crazy story about
53:50someone getting robbed that you've heard
53:52God bro I wish I could tell you right
53:54now um I have to tell you off camera the
53:57craziest one but uh there's crazy public
53:59ones too bro someone got like their
54:00finger chopped off in Paris to give like
54:02a password. You heard of that? No, I
54:04don't know about this. Um, lots of crazy
54:06[ __ ] happens, dude. It's a very scary
54:07world. Yeah. So, have you had anything
54:10scary happen to you? Definitely. Yeah.
54:12Yeah. Definitely some things happened to
54:14me, which is why I had to take like
54:15steps in order to make sure that the
54:17situation wouldn't continue getting
54:19worse. Damn. I'm curious to hear that
54:21story. Yeah, I'll tell you when the
54:23cameras are off. Do you think Kanye will
54:25launch a coin? I think uh Kanye was
54:28going to and I think he had a
54:29conversation with Anom that was posted.
54:32Um, I think Anom, if I was in Ansom
54:34shoes, I would have advised him not to
54:36do it. So, I don't think Kanye would do
54:37it. And who are the big like who has the
54:40most emotion in crypto right now?
54:41Motion. It changes a lot. Um, the most
54:45right now,
54:47Elon. No, but like inside of our bubble,
54:51the most right now is
54:53I think there's space for somebody right
54:55now. There's space for someone. I think
54:57it went like Anom was the main
54:59character. then Marad. I even think I
55:01had a little bit of a main character arc
55:04and then I think now there's kind of
55:05like room for someone to take over that.
55:08Do you think that'll be you? [ __ ] no. I
55:10don't want it to be me. What's that,
55:11dude? Being the main character of um CT
55:14like everybody to talk about you. It's
55:15uh it's very hard, bro. Like people on
55:17crypto Twitter are like, you know,
55:19anonymous. Yeah. Hiding behind like some
55:21profile picture so people can be
55:23ruthless. Yeah. Um I just like chilling
55:26in my own lane, working on my own
55:28things, bro. Like I've always been an
55:29online internet like money kid, you
55:30know? So that's what this is to me. And
55:32to some other people this is like I
55:34don't know like real serious [ __ ] Like
55:36bro, I'm just like trying to you know
55:38it's my side hustle.
55:40Yeah, I know what you mean. It seems
55:42like a really toxic community. Oh yeah.
55:43Um scary community because there is so
55:46much money in it. Um and then these
55:48people you're competing against or these
55:50people with a lot of motion I guess. Uh
55:53like how old are they typically? Like is
55:55is this Gen Z that's running this meme
55:57coin movement? When you say running um
56:01are you asking about the traders or like
56:02the influencers? I guess both. Both.
56:05Okay. Yeah. The traders are definitely
56:07the Fortnite kids. Like uh every
56:09Fortnite kid is out here what it feels
56:11like making millions of dollars a month.
56:13And on the influencer slash like regular
56:16side of CT, not memecoin stuff. It's
56:18definitely like the older generation.
56:19Yeah. Older generation. Okay. And then
56:22who has we talked about who had motion
56:24but like who are the influencers that
56:27have like credibility like who are the
56:29people in the space like who would you
56:30recommend your first five follows on
56:31Twitter trying to get their meme coins
56:33right? Wow. Oh to memecoins. Okay. Um
56:35credibility is a strong word. I would
56:37say nobody because uh anybody could do
56:40something bad at any point. Um I guess
56:43it depends what you want to learn about
56:44to be honest. I would just uh I would
56:46rather recommend that you follow
56:50thousands of people. Yeah. Make your own
56:52opinion. Yeah. Yeah. There's no one I
56:55would say like you have to follow. Um
56:57cuz like even my opinion may be skewed,
57:00you know. Even my opinion may be like uh
57:03influenced by some of my holdings, you
57:05know, like I'm super bullish on like
57:06this one coin uh Pangu. Uh, so my
57:09opinions on Pangu may be very, you know,
57:12how do you know if someone's shilling
57:13versus uh, like actually obvious to me
57:17now because I've been in the game for a
57:18long time. Yeah. Um, cuz with Pingu,
57:20like for context, that's a multi-billion
57:23dollar market cap. It might be Oh, it
57:24was when I bought, I'll tell you that.
57:26Yeah, same. Um,
57:28uh, I'm sure that airdrop was nice
57:30though. Um, that airdrop was nice if you
57:32sold. Yeah, I uh, I held on my airdrop.
57:34I've bought seven figures into that
57:35coin. It is now worth under six figures.
57:38Wow. Um, but bro, like generally, bro, I
57:40think they have a great team and I think
57:43it'll go back up. There you go. Like my
57:45opinion is biased because I'm down so
57:46bad. All it can do is go up. But how do
57:49you know if someone's shilling? Like
57:52what are the signs? Time, bro. Time in
57:54the market, time in the uh crypto
57:56Twitter community. Is it the way they
57:58write their tweets about it? Dude, it's
57:59just like knowing the people. Just
58:01knowing them. How have you been able to
58:03network with people like Adam Ross, Faze
58:06Banks? um provide value. Like that's
58:08that's always been number one to me.
58:10It's funny you asked that. So remember I
58:12was telling you back in the call days I
58:14wasn't good enough to like be a
58:15trickshotter. So I would go in graphic
58:17design. Um I always found like a way to
58:19provide value to those guys, right? Cuz
58:21everybody needs [ __ ] done and like even
58:24nowadays, bro, like people like edit
58:26videos for free for me and that's like
58:27what I noticed, you know? So a lot of it
58:29started started off as like making free
58:31thumbnails, free edits.
58:34even back in my clipping agency like
58:36offering those services for free for the
58:37bigger guys. So, okay, what are some of
58:39the scams going on in crypto right now
58:41that people don't realize scams? Um,
58:44such as like like me, what do you mean?
58:47I guess if you are someone who started
58:49trading meme coins last year, how to not
58:51get drained thing? Yeah. All right, I'll
58:54tell you the most famous one right now
58:55that uh is very successful. People will
58:57go on pom pun, they will make a fake
59:00porn site um like live girl uh live
59:04naked girl on kick. You click the link,
59:06it's a fake kick.com link. It makes you
59:09click a verification by cloud for button
59:11that will like download like a trojan to
59:13your computer and wipe you out. Takes
59:15your money. Takes your money.
59:19Yeah. And then so don't click on the
59:21porn sites on
59:23it. It says there's like a girl live.
59:25Okay. Uh what like other things have you
59:27seen like that in the past few months?
59:29Like what have been some crazy scams? So
59:30on Deck Screener, which is like a big
59:32website people use to uh check
59:33information about tokens, people will
59:36pay to like hijack over the information
59:39that's um showcased on this token. And
59:42put like websites that are scams. Yeah.
59:46Drainers. And then the marketing of
59:48these tokens, do you think it's I mean I
59:50guess you're just doing newsbased stuff.
59:52Uh, is there anything that you hold
59:54that's like above 100 million market
59:56cap? Penu, like just Pingu. Just Pangu
59:59right now. I have a little bit of Brett.
1:00:00Why do you believe Pingu is going to be
1:00:02so big? So I think about like us
1:00:03internet money kids and Luca Nets is one
1:00:06of those guys that stand out a lot.
1:00:07Founder of Pudgy Penguins. So like Luca
1:00:09is like one of like the OG internet
1:00:11money kids, right? I just choose to have
1:00:15like my eggs in that basket. What's the
1:00:17story of Luke? Uh Luca Annette. Luca.
1:00:20Yeah. uh you know ecom into
1:00:24NFTs, crypto. Gotcha. And then he has a
1:00:27big Twitter presence. Big marketing. Big
1:00:29Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then
1:00:30Pudgy Penguin's just like from a project
1:00:32perspective, like what are they doing?
1:00:34Well, like how are they marketing it?
1:00:36Like what do you look at? I think
1:00:37they're just like really mainstream.
1:00:38They got toys, Target, Walmart, CVS,
1:00:41Walgreens, um partnerships, all times.
1:00:44And their GIF, like people know the
1:00:47Penguin outside of like crypto. You get
1:00:49what I'm saying? like that little pudgy
1:00:50penguin is everywhere. Have you ever
1:00:51thought about launching a crypto
1:00:53project? Definitely thought about it.
1:00:54Yeah, I feel like I thought about it a
1:00:56few months ago with potion. Like I was
1:00:57like maybe I can make like some like uh
1:01:00NFTs or some crypto stuff for potion but
1:01:02feel like it's not worth the hassle.
1:01:04Yeah, it's a lot of effort. Do you think
1:01:05NFTs are dead? Um no, I think that tech
1:01:08is still really good. I think just what
1:01:09people consider NFTs to be right now
1:01:12like that meta might be dead but like my
1:01:14Pudgy Penguin is still worth like 20k.
1:01:16So it's not like completely dead. is are
1:01:18just memecoins more easily accessible,
1:01:20easily understandable, you think? Like
1:01:22why aren't we seeing we see the
1:01:23tokenization of memes, but we don't see
1:01:26like the NFT version? No, meme coins are
1:01:29just super easy. Pom pun made it super
1:01:30easy to make one. You can buy them super
1:01:32easily. Um I think NFTts go deeper than
1:01:37that and it's like a whole another use
1:01:39case for tech. Like I think uh like I'm
1:01:42using NFTs to get into this event at
1:01:44token 249 to buy this week, you know? Uh
1:01:47NFTs will be big in like crypto gaming
1:01:48whenever that comes. Um the cycles
1:01:51gambling was memecoins, not NFTs. That's
1:01:53all it is. And you think crypto gaming
1:01:55will come back? I think crypto gaming
1:01:57never had its like uprise. Why is that?
1:01:59The games aren't evolved yet. The
1:02:01studios aren't here yet. Like there has
1:02:03to be a big game to take that first step
1:02:06into really utilizing crypto into the
1:02:08video game. And you think that'll likely
1:02:09be GTA? It's funny you say the bank
1:02:11clip. Um, no. I don't think DJ will do
1:02:14it. But, uh, I do know that the company
1:02:18that owns Rockstar owns this other
1:02:20company who is making NFT games. I I
1:02:23know cuz I used to work for them. So,
1:02:24they're like in the process of building
1:02:26them, or they've already No, it's
1:02:27already launched. It's called Sugar
1:02:28Town. Take Two. It's called Take 2
1:02:30Interactive. Uh, they own Zingga, which
1:02:32made Sugar Town, and they also own
1:02:35Rockstar that made GTA. So, yeah. You
1:02:37used to work with Zinga. Yeah. Yes. Yes.
1:02:39I used to work at Zingga. I used to do
1:02:40marketing for I think they had a poker
1:02:42game. Yeah, Sugar Town. Yeah. What's
1:02:45Sugar Town? Is that the Sugar Town is
1:02:47their NFT collection and they have a
1:02:49poker game. Got it. Yeah, there was like
1:02:51Zinga Poker on the phone. That's what I
1:02:53used for like downloads for that game.
1:02:55So now that game has been turned into
1:02:56like like a version of that game. It's
1:02:58not like Sugar Poker, I believe. So
1:03:00damn. So we marketed like the same [ __ ]
1:03:01That's funny. Uh what did you do for
1:03:03that company exactly? Uh Crypto Gaming
1:03:05Consulting. And so like you just helped
1:03:07make it a good game. Like what did you I
1:03:09don't know what I did.
1:03:12Corporate, right? I don't know what I
1:03:13did. Yeah. Why is everyone in crypto
1:03:15either euphoric or clinically depressed?
1:03:17Well, I tweeted that out back when uh
1:03:19the Trump token launched. So, that was
1:03:21like specific to like that moment.
1:03:23Everybody had either made a million
1:03:24dollars or everybody had either missed
1:03:26out on the opportunity to make a million
1:03:28dollars. Do you have any friends that
1:03:29made a lot of money? Yeah, I uh yeah,
1:03:32collectively like my personal group of
1:03:33friends made like around $100 million.
1:03:36$100 million. And did they retire? Some
1:03:38of them did. Some of them are still on
1:03:40every day. What event would have to
1:03:41happen for you to leave crypto? It's a
1:03:43lot of money, I guess. And what's that
1:03:45number? I know. Like 100 mil? Yeah. If
1:03:49you gave me 100 million, I would stop
1:03:50trading. Yes. Really? Yes. Okay. Trading
1:03:53meme trading meme coins. Yeah. Yeah. I
1:03:55would stop trading meme coins. But you
1:03:57would keep it all in crypto. So, no. Not
1:03:58all of it. You're the first person I've
1:04:00spoke to that like has money in the bank
1:04:02uh that's big into crypto. You know,
1:04:03these guys usually like all have it in
1:04:05Bitcoin, ETH. I mean, are you just not a
1:04:08part of that whole like uh we need the
1:04:10decentralized currency? Like you're more
1:04:12on just the wave of coins are a good
1:04:14side hustle and I'm good at it. Uh a
1:04:16little bit of both. Like I I kind of see
1:04:17the flaws in like regular banking
1:04:19because I will try to make like a wire
1:04:21or something and I'll get denied. Um but
1:04:24I also see that as like extra protection
1:04:26security that doesn't come in crypto. So
1:04:28there's pros and cons to both, but yeah.
1:04:30No, I'm not like a huge like
1:04:31decentralized banking type of guy. I
1:04:32think the tech is good. That's it. If
1:04:34you couldn't make money in crypto, what
1:04:36would you do right now? Clipping. I
1:04:38would go all in on my clipping agency.
1:04:39You still run your clipping agency? I
1:04:41have a new one that I just started a few
1:04:42weeks ago. And how much is that doing a
1:04:44month? Like 5k a month right now. But
1:04:46it's not about like um it's not about
1:04:48getting the clients on retainer. It's
1:04:50about I want to get billions of views
1:04:52and then I can go to like brands and
1:04:54artists and get their clipping
1:04:55exclusively on us. You get what I'm
1:04:56saying? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about
1:04:59that. Why? Like how would you go about
1:05:00that? Like currently we are like Okay. I
1:05:03was paying out like 50k I paid out 50k
1:05:05to my clippers for the first half of
1:05:062025 or whatever and I just want to run
1:05:09it through my own clipping agency um
1:05:11using [ __ ] and then I want to be able to
1:05:14go to like Drake and be like yo Drake I
1:05:16got like 10 billion views for our
1:05:17creators this month like let's run your
1:05:19next albums clipping campaign on here
1:05:21because I think clipping is like the
1:05:22next big big big thing I mean look at
1:05:25like Paul American right the new show of
1:05:27Logan and Jake Paul they are utilizing
1:05:29clipping when I look at this new wave of
1:05:31advertisement
1:05:33It's like for the CPM you can get on
1:05:35clipping is like a no-brainer for every
1:05:37company to want to do it. Every TV show,
1:05:39every movie. Do you know how many movies
1:05:41I've gone and watched because of like
1:05:42some Tik Tok brain rot that I saw? A lot
1:05:45of [ __ ] movies. Like some crazy edit,
1:05:47right? Imagine like you like dude, you
1:05:49know how many social network edits I've
1:05:50seen on Tik Tok or Wolf of Wall Street?
1:05:52A lot. Like imagine that was like the
1:05:55actual marketing for that movie. And how
1:05:58do you go about clipping? Do you go
1:05:59about the method of super high quality
1:06:02clips on like 10 pages or let's just
1:06:04post as much? I don't I don't personally
1:06:06do like the clipping now. Uh we just
1:06:08have clippers under my agency or I I
1:06:11guess what approach like would you take
1:06:14theoretically? Would it like highest
1:06:15quality as possible? Less or like just
1:06:17mass? If I was like the clipper myself,
1:06:19I would spam out uh quantity. Okay, got
1:06:22it. just because I'm sure you know like
1:06:24some accounts guys like Shadowbanned or
1:06:25whatever or with your clippers
1:06:27specifically like what method like do
1:06:29you look at any of the clips they're
1:06:30doing have any ideas for I mean I don't
1:06:32have time to like manage any of that I
1:06:33just so how much you paid 50k how much
1:06:35how many views did that generate 50 mil
1:06:3750 million yeah a dollar per thousand I
1:06:40think that would be like 500k if you
1:06:43were doing it like meta ad spend yeah
1:06:45it's ridiculous like you look at like
1:06:46all these creators like bre scales like
1:06:48that guy's getting millions of views on
1:06:49Tik Tok for for cheap bro you guys work
1:06:52other uh recently. We're good. We're
1:06:54good friends. Um you look like Mr.
1:06:55Beast, like his show, he was paying out
1:06:5730 cents per thousand views. Like I
1:06:59watched Mr. Beast show cuz of Tik Tok
1:07:01clipping, you know. That Brez guy, how
1:07:03did he blow up so fast? Um I don't know.
1:07:07I think uh once he got like his cool
1:07:08cars, he started blowing up a lot and
1:07:10then he moved to Miami. Typical Miami
1:07:12entrepreneur. What have you learned
1:07:14about content that would be useful to
1:07:16other people? I would say the only
1:07:18vertical I don't understand that you do
1:07:20is Twitter. Like Twitter growth. Like
1:07:21what's the key to uh getting a lot of
1:07:23followers on Twitter? Niche. It's like
1:07:25super niche, right? Uh that's what I've
1:07:28learned about Twitter specifically. Um
1:07:30there is no growing on Twitter as a
1:07:32whole platform. There's only growing in
1:07:33niches. So pick a big niche and you can
1:07:35grow on that. I know because I've done
1:07:36it on Rocky. I've done it on Overwatch.
1:07:38I've done it on Fortnite. I did it in
1:07:40NFTs. I did it in memecoins.
1:07:43And now I'm like on like the tech side,
1:07:45like the unicorn startups side of
1:07:48Twitter. Um, so you pick a niche and
1:07:50then what do you do? Interact with the
1:07:52people in it and be the best at what you
1:07:54do and you'll just grow organically. Got
1:07:57it. Like be the best at like the things
1:07:58you're writing or be the best. No, no.
1:08:00Be the best at within that niche and the
1:08:02followers will come regardless of you
1:08:03tweeting or not.
1:08:05Tweeting good results. Yeah. If you're
1:08:07like a basketball player, you're going
1:08:08to get like like LeBron gets Twitter
1:08:09followers without tweeting. Yeah. Huh.
1:08:11So it's less about trying to like game
1:08:13the algorithm with that. It's more about
1:08:15just posting what you're doing. Yeah.
1:08:17for Twitter at least what's the
1:08:19difference between you and uh pro
1:08:21Fortnite players that were better you
1:08:23think content
1:08:26content
1:08:27explain putting out content and I think
1:08:30the love for it too because I wasn't the
1:08:33best Fortnite player but I got millions
1:08:35of views cuz I was making content um
1:08:38which ended up putting me in this
1:08:39position I am in today like content is
1:08:42king it's a new [ __ ]
1:08:44wave to make it right or I guess like
1:08:46the ones that or like that would beat
1:08:48you in tournaments. Like what set me
1:08:50aside as far as what? Like what uh set
1:08:53them aside from you? Yeah. Yeah. Skill
1:08:55gap. I mean, bro, like uh Fortnite cuz I
1:08:58can't imagine you weren't grinding every
1:09:00hour of every single day. Okay. Well,
1:09:02I'm just going to sound so dumb, but
1:09:03like where you live is like a big
1:09:04factor. I was in Miami getting 30 ping,
1:09:06you know? I wasn't in New York getting
1:09:08zero ping. Um teammates, connections,
1:09:11like that that that [ __ ] matters. There
1:09:13were players infinitely worse than me
1:09:14that just had better teammates, that had
1:09:16zero ping, that had uh good coaches. Um,
1:09:20ping matters that much. Oh, dude, ping
1:09:22matters a lot. Yeah. How do you get zero
1:09:24ping? You move to Dallas right now is
1:09:27where they're at. Dallas. Dallas. So, do
1:09:29Fortnite players like move around the
1:09:31country just based on where the
1:09:32internet's the best? Of course. People
1:09:34gone from Virginia to New York to
1:09:36Dallas. Huh. So funny. I I used to live
1:09:39in like small town Kentucky and I didn't
1:09:41have They get good ping. Kentucky gets
1:09:43good ping on West Coast I think. Oh, not
1:09:46where I'm at. It's like uh like there's
1:09:48like farmland. Um we maybe had 10
1:09:50download speed on the internet. Oh yeah,
1:09:52that's tough. Oh, no, no, no, not 10.
1:09:55One or two um download speed and like
1:09:580.5 upload. And that was a big reason I
1:10:00started making social media videos was
1:10:02because I couldn't play video games
1:10:03online with my friends anymore. Like it
1:10:05was just too like unbearable. Uh, so I
1:10:08just made videos and then I would upload
1:10:10them outside of my house just like
1:10:11holding my phone in the air like trying
1:10:13to get internet. Oh my god. Um, take
1:10:14like 10 minutes to upload a Tik Tok. But
1:10:17who do you think is Satoshi Nakamato?
1:10:19Oh, that's a good one. Um, I think he
1:10:22may have passed away to be honest. I
1:10:24don't know who it is, but I think they
1:10:26are no longer probably here. Why? Cuz if
1:10:29I had that much money in crypto, I would
1:10:30have would have been taking that [ __ ]
1:10:32already. And he hasn't sold anything?
1:10:35No, I think that wallet's like inactive.
1:10:36Like do you have any idea who it could
1:10:38be? Any compelling theories you've seen?
1:10:40Uh the founder of Twitter, Jack. Yeah.
1:10:44Conspiracy theory. That one did look
1:10:47pretty interesting to me. Um I've heard
1:10:49some crazy things like Russian
1:10:51oligarchs. Uh the feds. Uh oh, the feds.
1:10:55Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I think one guest on
1:10:57the podcast said that the code for
1:11:00encrypting on the NSA is the same as the
1:11:03code written to encrypt Bitcoin. Um, and
1:11:06he's like, "But that's just a theory. I
1:11:08don't know." Um, and he was like one of
1:11:10those OG Silk Road guys that was using
1:11:12Bitcoin. Um, and then our friend
1:11:14mentioned it was the Feds. He's like, "I
1:11:16don't want to talk about that." So, uh,
1:11:18what's the most useful purchase you've
1:11:20ever made? The The highest like life
1:11:23quality upgrade thing I've done is like
1:11:25hire a driver, I guess. Um, feel like in
1:11:28a city with a lot of traffic, uh,
1:11:30especially in my niche of work, which is
1:11:31like trading. Yeah, that's like my, you
1:11:33know, that's been like my best life
1:11:35upgrade is having a driver. Do you sell
1:11:37your cars? Um, I still have I mean, no,
1:11:41I still have a few of them, but Yeah.
1:11:44Yeah. I'm sure it's like annoying
1:11:46driving. It's like you're trading memes
1:11:47and driving. Yeah. Uh, when Trump came
1:11:50out, I told myself I was getting a
1:11:51full-time driver so that it would never
1:11:53happen to me again. Yeah. Interesting.
1:11:56What predictions do you have for crypto
1:11:582025?
1:12:00Um, none. because like I don't care
1:12:02about that to be honest. I'll just in my
1:12:04niche I can just keep trading the way I
1:12:06have been uh no matter the price of
1:12:08crypto. Obviously I hope higher for
1:12:11everything. But uh no predictions bro.
1:12:14Yeah I I guess it doesn't matter for you
1:12:15because you're really selling at 100k
1:12:17market cap. So it's like that'll
1:12:19probably exist for the next few years at
1:12:21least. I'll ask you this. Uh what's the
1:12:23best piece of advice you've ever
1:12:25received?
1:12:27Ever received? Um
1:12:33I don't think anything in particular
1:12:34just because uh a lot of the the way I
1:12:38have been has just been watching YouTube
1:12:40like selftaught. So just advice. Um what
1:12:45would you tell yourself if you were 16
1:12:47years old?
1:12:49If I was 16 years old I would tell
1:12:51myself to keep doing what I'm doing and
1:12:54go even harder at it. Um don't get
1:12:56distracted.
1:12:59Definitely don't date girls. That was
1:13:02like a big waste of time I did back in
1:13:03the day. I mean, I guess it like, you
1:13:05know,
1:13:08um made me like more social, but uh
1:13:11yeah, just keep doing what you're doing.
1:13:13Feel like I was always like on a really
1:13:14good path to be honest. Yeah. Buy
1:13:17Bitcoin. Buy Bitcoin. Who's the most
1:13:20impressive person you've ever met?
1:13:23Impressive person I've ever met? Um,
1:13:28I met the founder of Chatterbait.
1:13:31Chatterbait, that guy has made a lot of
1:13:32[ __ ] money. Uh, yeah, I guess.
1:13:37Where was that at? Um, he actually ran
1:13:39NFT collection a few years ago and, uh,
1:13:42he took me around and
1:13:45like just I don't know, we became
1:13:46friends and stuff and it was like the
1:13:48first introduction I had to like big
1:13:50money in the world. Uh, he kind of
1:13:52showed me like what it could really mean
1:13:53to like have money. Yeah. Um,
1:13:56yeah, that was like the the best. Wow.
1:13:59Like, is that a billionaire? Yeah. Huh.
1:14:02Yeah. Well, everyone, uh, this has been
1:14:04your guest, Gabriel Leva Orangey. Uh,
1:14:07where can people find you? Orange on
1:14:09Twitter. Uh, orangegy on YouTube. That's
1:14:12it. Awesome. Appreciate you coming on,
1:14:14man. Of course, bro. Yeah. Thank you,
1:14:15brother. Thanks.

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