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0:00I do get very, very annoyed when I hear
0:02Jews mounting the argument, "Why are you
0:05picking on us? Why are you picking on
0:07me? I haven't done anything. I'm just a
0:10British Jew. I'm not responsible for
0:11what Israel does." And that leaves
0:13absolutely [music] hanging in the air
0:16the unspoken agreement that Israel is
0:19doing something terrible. He repeated
0:21the canard [music] that the Israelis are
0:23committing genocide. Now, that is false.
0:26It [music] is inciting hatred because if
0:28people are committing genocide, you have
0:30to destroy them. If Israel is evil and
0:34if the vast majority of Jews support
0:36Israel, then the vast majority of Jews
0:39are evil. I think it's wrong to think of
0:41these marches as primarily being
0:43organized in order to protest about the
0:46war in Gaza. The driving force is
0:48>> [music]
0:48>> Islamism. If Britain wanted to put down
0:51a red line against the Islamization of
0:54Britain, it would be saying,
0:57"These marches, we know what these
0:58marches are. We're not going to have
0:59that. And we are going to show the
1:01Islamists that we understand the game
1:04they're playing and we are not going to
1:07allow it." And [music] that itself would
1:10send a very, very important signal to
1:12those Islamists. Okay, everyone. I have
1:14to say, I have a list of a few guests
1:16that we have on JTV that I always look
1:19forward to so much because they just
1:22have such
1:23insightful wisdom to share with all of
1:26us. And Melanie Phillips, you truly are
1:28one of those guests. Thank you so much
1:30for making the time to be here on JTV. I
1:32really appreciate it.
1:34Always a pleasure to see you, Ollie.
1:35Hope you're doing okay.
1:38Doing good. Doing good. And I'm thrilled
1:40to have before me your new book and to
1:43encourage everyone to get a copy of
1:44this, Fighting the Hate: A Handbook for
1:47Jews Under Siege. Melanie's written a
1:49number of books, actually. Last time we
1:50spoke, it was to discuss this one, The
1:52Builder's Stone, another
1:54barnstormer, How Jews and Christians
1:56Built the West and why only they can
1:58save it. Um and uh Melanie, there's so
2:01much to talk about uh that you you know,
2:03you cover in this book. Um but it's not
2:05just uh you know, theoretical stuff.
2:07It's
2:09it's happening day-to-day and literally
2:11uh some of the stuff that you talk about
2:13in this book, you were debating on Sky
2:16News uh just a few days ago. And I
2:18wanted to
2:19go go go right into this very first
2:22topic of um
2:23the genocide accusation um that Israel
2:27faces because well, first of all, let's
2:29just let's just see what you had to say
2:31because you were reacting to Zach
2:33Polanski uh from the Green Party um and
2:36claiming that this really is just a
2:38modern-day iteration of the ancient
2:41blood libel. I think he is a menace to
2:43public safety and his remarks to you
2:45were absolutely despicable. Um I counted
2:48at least six references to the fact that
2:50he was Jewish. He is using his Jewish
2:53ancestry as a shield to protect him from
2:56what he's doing. He himself is inciting
2:59hatred. Again, in his interview with
3:01you, he repeated the canard that the
3:04Israelis are committing genocide. Now,
3:06that is false. It is inciting hatred
3:09because if people are committing
3:10genocide, you have to destroy them. He
3:13also has not
3:14>> Is it fair to say people are allowed to
3:16come on television and express that view
3:18if they believe it? Uh well, uh that's
3:21for people who run television to decide
3:23those uh parameters.
3:24>> Well, certainly in this studio, people
3:26are allowed to say things that are
3:27lawful.
3:28Well, whatever you think of that man.
3:29Fine.
3:30So, Melanie, this is the first things I
3:32wanted to talk about. The the genocide
3:34accusation and whether you believe this
3:36should be considered hate speech.
3:40Um yes, if it is incitement. I mean, um
3:45people are entitled uh
3:47and have a right to say what they like.
3:49Um but if you are accusing a people uh
3:54of genocide, then you're accusing them
3:57of one of the worst, most heinous crimes
4:00that
4:01uh a collective can commit.
4:04Um, and it
4:07means that you're looking at them It
4:09means that you're presenting them as not
4:11just wrong, but absolutely monstrous.
4:14That they are evil. That they are
4:16demonic. Um, and consequently uh you are
4:20inciting people to want to get rid of
4:23them. Certainly to hate them.
4:25Um, and to think that they have no right
4:28to be uh treated as anything other than
4:30pariahs. And really they should be
4:33hounded out of
4:34uh civil society and basically removed
4:38from the face of the earth. Uh cuz
4:39that's what you do with people who are
4:41committing genocide. You destroy them.
4:42You go to battle against them. You go to
4:44war against them. And you kill them.
4:46Um, so
4:48that accusation, I think coming in the
4:52framework, I think this is very
4:53important also to say,
4:55this accusation of genocide didn't come
4:57out of nowhere.
4:58It came against the framework of
5:01systematic media lies about what Israel
5:04was doing in Gaza, which represented its
5:07war of defense as a war of aggression,
5:09and crucially, which kept saying over
5:13and over again
5:14uh that the Israelis were wantonly
5:17killing civilians and were killing
5:19babies.
5:20Now, that inspires absolute rage in any
5:24decent person, obviously. But it was a
5:27lie. These things are complete lies. And
5:30consequently they need to be called out
5:32as lies. They need to be opposed as
5:33lies. They need to be, you know, that
5:35conversation needs to be shut down by
5:38being
5:39shown to be not just false, but
5:43murderous in intent. And that hasn't
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6:00And when people will say, "Well, you
6:02know, Melanie, I I'm entitled to create
6:04my own characterization of the way
6:07Israel's government behaves, and I I can
6:10separate that very clearly from my
6:12condemnation of anti-Semitism." Do you
6:14feel as I do that there is no
6:18distinction, meaningful distinction,
6:20between the anti-Semitic violence that
6:23we saw on the streets of London just
6:24last week, and calling Israel genocidal
6:28for the very simple fact that aside from
6:31it being the one and only Jewish state
6:32that you're claiming is targeting
6:34children and babies and genocidal,
6:37the vast majority of Jews support
6:40Zionism. So, you by saying that, you are
6:43stating that most Jews are evil. So, you
6:46you can't disconnect the two.
6:48Well, that's absolutely right. Um if
6:50Israel is evil, and if the vast majority
6:54of Jews support Israel, then the vast
6:56majority of Jews are evil. Um and
6:59therefore, you have to do to the vast
7:00majority of Jews what you would want to
7:02do to Israel, which is destroy them. Um
7:04now, that doesn't mean that, you know,
7:06everyone's going to go out in the street
7:07and murder them, but it does mean that
7:09when uh
7:11uh they hear that, um they
7:14believe that the Israelis have no right
7:17to exist uh in an abstract kind of way.
7:20And when people take it out on Jews
7:23um
7:24uh in Britain or anywhere else, then the
7:27vast majority of people will shrug and
7:29say, "Well, they had it coming to them."
7:31Because, of course, alone among peoples,
7:33the Jews are held collectively
7:35responsible for what Israel does. And
7:37that's another aspect of this. Um but
7:40you certainly can't separate them. One
7:42follows from the other.
7:44I'm curious to know your view on a
7:46debate I was having with a friend of
7:48mine a few weeks ago. He's
7:51clearly Jewish, wears a kippah yarmulke,
7:54was walking around
7:55a shopping mall in London, and this
7:57non-Jewish guy yelled at him, "You
7:59better not be a Zionist."
8:01And he was going up the escalator, this
8:03guy was going down, so he didn't have
8:04chance to respond.
8:06But
8:07had he had the chance to respond, I said
8:09I said, "What would you have said?" He
8:11said, "I would have said to him,
8:12'Why are you making any assumption about
8:14my views? Why did you pick on me of all
8:17people? You tell me that you're against
8:19Zionism, but not against the Jews. So,
8:21why did you pick on me? You have no idea
8:23what my views are.' Now, his intention
8:25was to expose their supposed claim that
8:27they're separating Zionism and
8:28anti-Semitism. But I My view is, and I
8:32want to know your view, that that's not
8:33a a good tactic, cuz it's still playing
8:35into their hands. It's It's still
8:37telling them It's It's asserting that
8:40they are right, that there is a
8:41distinction. And I think much better to
8:44to just lean into the fact that the
8:47Jewish people fundamentally support
8:49Israel. And the more I feel like the
8:51more we try to create that separation,
8:53the more we're trying the more we're
8:55going along with this narrative that
8:56Israel is doing something terrible that
8:58requires Jews to kind of separate
9:00themselves from. The same way that, you
9:02know, we'll hear people saying, "No one
9:04holds all Russians accountable for the
9:06actions of Putin." But implicit in that
9:09is that Israel's actions are comparable
9:10to Putin. And I feel like we should, as
9:12Jews, you know, collectively
9:15show that we fully behind Israel's
9:17actions.
9:19Uh, yes. I mean, I do get very, very
9:22annoyed when I hear Jews
9:24mounting the argument.
9:26And in fact, there was a book that was
9:28written making this argument not that
9:30long ago.
9:31Much lionized,
9:33which says, "Why are you picking on us?
9:36Why are you picking on me? I haven't
9:38done anything. I'm just a British Jew.
9:40I'm not responsible for what Israel
9:42does. And that leaves absolutely hanging
9:45in the air the unspoken agreement that
9:48Israel is doing something terrible. Yes.
9:52>> it depends on the circumstances. What
9:54I'm saying in my book, there's no one
9:57template for how to respond to this kind
9:59of onslaught. It depends
10:02who's doing it, where,
10:04and in what kind of background, and what
10:06kind of context. Now, you talk about
10:08someone going up and down escalators.
10:11Um
10:13and there was no time there was no
10:14opportunity to to engage.
10:17If somebody
10:18shouts at you something like that in the
10:19street, what should you do? Now, some
10:23people will say, "Well, I would stand up
10:26and argue. I would stand up and make my
10:27point." And another person would say,
10:30"Well, I would thump him on the nose."
10:31Okay, so let's put to one side the
10:33person who would thump him on the nose.
10:35I do not approve of that. Would not
10:37Would not suggest that that's what
10:38should happen.
10:39Should that person, if it if if if that
10:42sort of thing is shouted at you in the
10:43street, should that person say, "Hang
10:46on, I'm going to tell you what's what's
10:48what's what?" Yeah.
10:49>> And
10:50I'm
10:52I would be very careful because I do
10:54think that while one must not ever run
10:58away from this, and the whole point of
11:00my book is to show people how they can
11:02stand up as proud Jews and fight back,
11:05you must look after your personal safety
11:07first and foremost. Um you really in
11:10these in in this kind of climate, you
11:12really can't take the risk that's that
11:15that somebody who's just shouting at you
11:17might then come at you with a knife.
11:19And you know, I would I mean, I just
11:21would not recommend that course of
11:22action to anybody.
11:24But if somebody says it to you in more
11:27kind of calm circumstances where, you
11:30you you judge that the physical risk is
11:32low.
11:34Um how to respond is to say, I would I'm
11:37not how I would respond. I am a proud
11:40Zionist, and let me tell you why.
11:42Yeah. Um because um people don't know
11:45what a Zionist is. They think it's like,
11:48you know, I don't know what they think.
11:49They think it's like Nazi.
11:51Um I mean, you have to call them out,
11:53and you have to say, I am standing on
11:56the moral high ground by saying I am a
11:59Zionist and defending Israel.
12:01Um and you must not in the my view as a
12:04Jew take refuge in this weaselly
12:07formulation, as you've just been saying,
12:09um well, you know, why are you being
12:11horrible to me? Uh I've got nothing to
12:14do with it. I mean, it is a point to
12:16make in general discussion that there is
12:19something that is singular and absolute
12:23double standard, that it's only the Jews
12:25who are held responsible for the crimes
12:26of Israel. So, this is in itself wrong.
12:30Um but if you're
12:32um
12:33being assailed personally with this,
12:36then I think uh it's um
12:39it's right and proper uh to uh stand up
12:43and say, I'm a proud Zionist. I'm a
12:46proud supporter of Israel. I believe
12:48Israel is the most moral country in the
12:50world um or what or whatever. And and
12:53then um
12:54you know, uh hopefully uh
12:57the person will come back in a calm way,
13:00and you can then explain. Um but again,
13:03in my book, um
13:05I'm also saying that there are many of
13:07these uh situations where people throw
13:11things at you
13:13um in conversation,
13:15and
13:16it really isn't appropriate or helpful
13:19uh to have a long discussion, because
13:23then you're not going to get anywhere.
13:24What What saying in the book is, you
13:26know, don't
13:28reduce your ex- lower your expectations.
13:30Don't assume. Don't Don't Don't imagine
13:33that you can persuade somebody who
13:35thinks Israel is a fountain of evil that
13:37after one conversation with you, they're
13:38going to say, "Oh, I get it now. Um
13:41Israel is the most moral country on the
13:43planet." They're They're not going to
13:44ever say that. What you uh can only hope
13:48to do, in my view, is to when faced with
13:51a closed mind like that, is to open that
13:55mind a crack. Just a crack. And I'm
13:59suggesting a number of ways in which you
14:01can possibly do that. Um and it requires
14:04some forethought. It means that
14:08when you as a diaspora Jew go out in the
14:10morning, unfortunately, now so many
14:12diaspora Jews are doing this, they're
14:13making a calculation in their minds. Do
14:16I wear my kippah on the tube? Uh do I
14:18wear my Magen David that is visible? Uh
14:21if I leave the house now, will it be
14:24safe to go across Central or will I come
14:26across a Palestine Now demonstration? Uh
14:31free Palestine demonstration. We're
14:33making those calculations all the time.
14:35And I'm suggesting in my book that
14:37people should
14:39mentally arm themselves uh before
14:43engaging with the world. Um doesn't mean
14:45they're going to come across these
14:47horrible situations at all. They may
14:49not. But if they do, they should have
14:52the reassurance of knowing that they
14:54have some facts in their mind and some
14:57lines to take. Even if it's just a joke,
14:59but they have thought it through
15:01beforehand and they know, you know, they
15:04They have a little bit of an armory that
15:06they can that they know they can deploy.
15:09Absolutely. Absolutely. And I I don't
15:10want to talk about some of your
15:11suggestions in the book in a moment. Um
15:14but just going back just for one more
15:15moment to this whole issue of, you know,
15:17someone yelling uh at someone that's
15:19Jewish and people creating this
15:21separation. Do you think it would be a
15:23good idea as alongside saying I'm a
15:25proud Zionist to also say, and you
15:28cannot separate Zionism from Judaism and
15:30that to be a Jew is to be a Zionist?
15:33Well,
15:34it again it depends on the
15:35circumstances. You know, if if if
15:37someone's hurling this at you in the
15:38street, I mean like
15:40really really isn't isn't the isn't the
15:42the occasion to do that.
15:44But I would certainly
15:46advocate saying
15:48to somebody
15:50that um
15:52uh
15:54you know,
15:55the the person says, you know, I'm a I'm
15:57you know, you're a horrible Zionist. And
16:00I would then suggest that you might say,
16:03well, I'm sure you don't mean to be a
16:05horrible I'm sure you don't mean to say
16:07that Jews are horrible. I mean I'm I'm
16:09sure you're making that distinction,
16:10aren't you? In other words, give them
16:12the opportunity to say, yes, absolutely.
16:15I'm making a proper distinction because
16:17Zionism is a political project and
16:19therefore it's fine, whereas, you know,
16:21being horrible to Jews is not fine. I
16:23would never do that cuz I'm a nice
16:24person. Let them say that.
16:27And then agree
16:29that, you know, you're you're glad that
16:31they're a nice person and you're
16:32absolutely absolutely right. In other
16:34words, lean into what they're saying.
16:36Lean into it.
16:38And then say, can I just explain to you
16:41why it's really really difficult to
16:43separate these these two things out? And
16:45what I would say, which they won't
16:47expect, always say something they don't
16:49expect.
16:50Um don't just say, you know,
16:52anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism because
16:54all aren't Jews.
16:55I mean that's just like silly and it's
16:57not going to get anywhere.
16:59Um I would say something more subtle
17:01that they really don't expect and I'm
17:03you know, I I road tested this and
17:04people are going
17:05what?
17:07Um and many Jews go what?
17:10Uh which is this, that um Zionism, you
17:14know, as we think of it today as a
17:16political project that started in the
17:1719th century. But so what is Zionism?
17:20What do you think Zionism is? But let me
17:22let me tell you what Zionism is. It's
17:24simply the right of the Jews to
17:28have their own country in their ancient
17:31ancestral homeland of Israel. Um now,
17:35the point is this that you may not
17:37realize is that that's not a political
17:39project. That's part of the Jewish
17:41religion. That the Jewish religion is
17:44centered in the land of Israel. Judaism
17:48consists of a bit like a three-legged
17:50stool. Judaism consists of the
17:53inseparable fusion of the people, the
17:56faith, and the land. Uh Jews religious
18:00Jews believe or the religion holds that
18:04the Jewish people received
18:07a divine instruction uh to live their
18:11lives according to a set of laws and
18:13precepts
18:14in order to produce a lives of great
18:16value and worth in the land of Israel.
18:20That the religion is centered in the
18:22land of Israel. If you look at Jewish
18:23liturgy, you will find that the word
18:25Zion, as in Zionism,
18:29uh appears over and over again. Now,
18:31that doesn't mean that if you're not a
18:33religious Jew, you're not a Jew. It
18:35doesn't mean that if you don't go and
18:37live in Israel,
18:38uh you're not a Jew. Uh or if you don't
18:41support Israel, you're not a Jew. It
18:42doesn't mean that. You're a Jew
18:43regardless. But Judaism is the fusion of
18:47these three things. And so, if you're an
18:49anti-Zionist, which means that
18:52you don't think that the Jews have a
18:54right to be in that land at all, then
18:57I'm afraid you are being anti-Judaism.
19:01Not necessarily anti-Jewish person, but
19:04anti-Judaism.
19:06And I you know, you're a nice person,
19:08and I don't think you really would want
19:10to be in that position. So, I'm just
19:12bringing that to your attention.
19:13Something like that
19:15uh in the right circumstances
19:18would hopefully take the person aback.
19:21It takes many Jews aback.
19:23Diaspora Jews don't think like this,
19:24many of them.
19:25>> Yeah. Um and it would make them think
19:28and hopefully open the mind a crack
19:32from through which other good stuff
19:34could, you know,
19:36come in.
19:37I think that's such a great point to you
19:39to make that point that this is actually
19:41a religious part of our identity. And
19:43quite frankly, it's quite farcical that
19:46you'll have these people who are, you
19:48know, they say, "I'm against Israel, but
19:50you know, I'm very supportive of Jews
19:52and the Jewish religion." It's like,
19:54have have they read the Torah? Do they
19:56have any idea what this book is? At a
19:58broad aerial view level, this is the
20:00story of the people of Israel being
20:03taken to their promised land of Israel.
20:05Like, that's it's the whole story. So,
20:08it's just absurd that they've created
20:09this
20:10separation. Um and one of the other
20:14things I wanted to talk to you about was
20:16which was being discussed, I think, on
20:18this Sky News panel that you were on and
20:21that's just been a recent development in
20:22the UK, is Kemi Badenoch, the leader of
20:25the Conservative Party, who's been
20:27really impressive in recent days with
20:29her moral backbone and clarity.
20:32She said that she wants to call now, in
20:35a really bold step, to ban these hate
20:39marches, these marches which purport to
20:41be pro-Palestinian, but of course we
20:43know are simply just anti-Jewish and
20:45anti-Israel. And I wanted to get your
20:46thoughts on that because there are some
20:48who are saying, even people on our on
20:50our side, that will say, "Yeah, but
20:53what about free speech?" And there's a
20:54bit of a slippery slope, and could this
20:56potentially create an even worse
20:58backlash? What what are your thoughts on
21:00on what she proposed?
21:01Look, free speech is very important.
21:04And, you You one should lean over
21:06backwards to allow people to
21:11march or demonstrate or protest
21:14on the basis of views that other people
21:16will find
21:18offensive, difficult, unconscionable,
21:20and so on.
21:22But there is a line beyond which a
21:25decent society doesn't go.
21:27And I suggest that line is not being
21:29applied systematically. It's our old
21:32friend double standards yet again.
21:35Supposing you had marches
21:39every week which
21:43defamed
21:45black people
21:47and said we want to get rid of black
21:49people and we don't think black people
21:51should be part of our society and we
21:54think black people are evil and they're
21:56doing terrible things.
21:58Would that be allowed? On the contrary,
22:01it would be unthinkable.
22:03Now why therefore are the Palestine
22:05marches allowed? Because think they're
22:07simply demonstrating against
22:11the behavior of Israel in Gaza. They're
22:13demonstrating in favor of in support of
22:17the Palestinian people. They have every
22:18right to do so. Well, they do have every
22:20right to protest against
22:23policies of
22:24Israel like anywhere else. And they
22:27certainly have the right to demonstrate
22:29on behalf of any people they consider to
22:31be oppressed.
22:33But that's not what these marches are.
22:35They are called rightly hate marches
22:37because they are promoting hate. They
22:40are chanting for the murder of Jews.
22:44Intifada now which means the murder of
22:45Jews across the world. I globalize the
22:48Intifada rather which is the murder of
22:50Jews across the world, at the
22:51destruction of Israel.
22:54Then they're shouting for Jihad
22:57and
22:58they are Um, know, the river to the
23:01river to the sea is the of Israel, and
23:03so on, so on, so on. Now, these things
23:05all break break British laws, actually.
23:07There are laws on the statute book
23:10against all these things, but they're
23:11not being enforced. But, I would suggest
23:14that that's what these marches actually
23:15are, and people of goodwill who are
23:19going on them uh thinking that they are
23:22just demonstrating against horrible
23:24Israel and for
23:26uh the oppressed Palestinians, that may
23:29be genuine. They may genuinely that.
23:31But, the fact is, they are marching
23:33alongside people shouting these things,
23:35and therefore they are themselves part
23:38of this hate movement. Yeah. Now,
23:41um as somebody said in Parliament, I
23:44think, uh the other day,
23:47uh or I think it may be in the um uh uh
23:49um the uh
23:51counterterrorism guy.
23:54Um, it's it's just not possible to
23:56separate out these um these terrible
23:59things that are being uh chanted from
24:01the demonstration. They are inescapably
24:04giving rise to these um to this
24:07incitement and this lawbreaking. And
24:11you know,
24:12people have said, uh very
24:14understandably, it's appalling that the
24:16police are just, you know, standing by
24:19and letting this happen. The fact is,
24:21that if these marches go ahead, uh if
24:23the police were to take on uh all these
24:26people, um
24:28there are thousands of them uh they
24:30would have to take on, and you'd have
24:32riots. Um, and it's just not it's just
24:35not not feasible. The marches themselves
24:38are the problem. Um, and so
24:41I personally think that absolutely they
24:43should never have been allowed and
24:45should not be allowed. There is another
24:46point to these marches,
24:48uh which um
24:49is an even more difficult point to make
24:51uh
24:52in these current in this current
24:54climate, but I believe it to be very
24:55important.
24:57Um we know that the first
25:01uh attempt or the
25:03the the first initiative to have one of
25:05these marches took place on October the
25:087th. Yeah. That was when the first
25:10application was made for the first
25:11march, I believe, in in London.
25:14Now, I think it's wrong to think of
25:16these marches as primarily being
25:18organized in order to protest about the
25:21war in Gaza.
25:22These marches are primarily organized
25:25They're organized primarily by um
25:27Islamists of various stripes, Hamas,
25:30Iran, whatever, and their acolytes in
25:33Britain. But they But the driving force
25:35is Islamism is Islamists. Um and
25:39what they're all about is an ecstatic,
25:43delirious
25:44um celebration
25:46uh
25:47of the fact that they believe that
25:50October 7th breached Israel's defenses
25:53in a way that had not been thought
25:54possible, and that from that moment on
25:58the way was becoming clear for them to
26:00finally defeat Israel, kill Jews, and
26:03then move on to defeat the West. And
26:06that is what's kept it all going is this
26:08belief that they are on a roll, that
26:10they are on the winning side. And that
26:13belief has been hugely
26:16fueled by the perceptible reality that
26:21the British state, like other
26:23governing classes in different
26:25countries, but the British state is
26:27sitting back and letting it happen. So,
26:29what they're letting happen
26:31is first of all um
26:34a movement on the streets which is
26:37celebrating and inciting people to join
26:40in for the final battle to destroy
26:43Israel, kill Jews, and then take over
26:46the West.
26:48Um and there is
26:50what I'm actually saying, therefore, is
26:53that what we have on the streets in
26:54these marches
26:56is actually
26:57the jihad. This is what it is. Um this
27:01is how this is one of the ways in which
27:02it's done. You you you take to this you
27:05you take to you take over public space
27:08of a secular state and you as it were
27:11lay down your flag or you raise your
27:14banner in that secular space and you say
27:17it's no longer a secular space. It's
27:20ours. We are now taking over.
27:23Um it's a sign. It's a signal. It's a
27:26signal to the faithful that we are on
27:28the way to defeat Britain. Um it's a
27:31it's a kind of uprising. Um and people
27:35can't see this because they don't
27:37understand what Islamism is. They never
27:39have done in Britain and no government
27:43uh minister has ever said it.
27:46Um but that's what they're that's what
27:47they've allowed to happen. They've
27:49allowed the streets to be taken over by
27:51Islamism.
27:52And that is incredibly
27:55dangerous and important and significant
27:57for the security of Britain as a whole.
28:01Uh because you know, the streets are
28:03where the battle is being joined and
28:07useful idiots who are not Muslims are
28:10coming along to join in on the basis
28:12that they are, you know, opposing Israel
28:14and supporting the Palestinians. But
28:17actually, what they're doing is being is
28:20being suborned into the jihad.
28:23Um and this is fantastically important
28:27for Britain. If Britain wants to
28:30If Britain wanted to
28:33um put down a red line
28:36against the Islamization of Britain,
28:38against the attempt to turn Britain
28:40Islamic, it would be saying
28:43these marches, we know what these
28:45marches are. We're not going to have
28:46that. And we are going to show the
28:48Islamists that we understand the game
28:51they are playing and we are not going to
28:54allow it. And that itself would send a
28:57very, very important signal to those
28:59Islamists that, "Okay, Britain is
29:02fighting back. It is not what we
29:04thought, which is, you know, it's just
29:07lying down in front of us or offering
29:10its throat to be cut by us. Um if we've
29:12got a fight on our hands."
29:14Unfortunately, British state doesn't do
29:16that. Few people understand that. But I
29:18think it's actually very important
29:19aspect of these marches. Something
29:21remarkable is happening. For decades,
29:23the world told us the problem was
29:25Zionism, occupation, international law.
29:28But lately, the mask is slipping.
29:30Mohammed Hijab, millions of followers,
29:32said in his own words, It's not just
29:34Zionism, it's Judaism [music] as well.
29:36They believe they are superior to you.
29:40Tucker Carlson, from the other
29:41direction, keeps insisting, "Sorry, but
29:43the Jews are not the chosen people. That
29:45there is no chosen people. The chosen
29:47people are people who choose Jesus.
29:51Notice what both of these people, coming
29:53from completely opposite worlds, have in
29:55common. They're not talking about 1948.
29:57They're not talking about land. They're
29:59not even talking about Israel. They're
30:01talking about Jewish chosenness.
30:06And here's what blows my mind. This is
30:08not a modern argument. This argument is
30:10as old as the first two brothers who
30:13ever lived, Cain and Abel.
30:16God chooses one offering, not the other.
30:18And instead of learning from his
30:20brother, Cain kills him.
30:21>> [music]
30:22>> The blueprint is right there at the very
30:24start. And it plays out again with
30:27Ishmael and Isaac.
30:29The roots of the Islamic world's
30:31relationship with the Jewish people.
30:33And with Esau and Jacob, the roots of
30:35the Christian West's.
30:38The two great fault lines of Jewish
30:39history.
30:41And both of them begin not on a
30:43battlefield,
30:47but in a nursery.
30:51And here's what's extraordinary. The
30:53rabbis of the Talmud, thousands of years
30:55ago, summarized this whole phenomenon in
30:57just one sentence. Hatred, sina, comes
31:00from Sinai. Sina is Hebrew for hatred.
31:04From the moment the Jewish people
31:05formalized their covenant with God at
31:07Mount Sinai,
31:09the world's resentment was ignited.
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31:54I could not agree more. And one of the
31:56fundamental problems in the West, which
31:58you've been raising the red flag about
32:01for a long time, is that these people
32:03are utilizing the freedoms of the West
32:05in order to destroy it. And there has to
32:06be a point at which we say stop. And
32:08after the stabbing attack last week, I
32:10had a conversation with one of my rabbis
32:13in America, Rabbi Manis Friedman, and I
32:14said, "What do you think should be
32:15British Jews' message to the
32:16government?" And he said,
32:18"There should be demands that just more
32:20broadly, the standard of expectation in
32:22public life is raised. And that will
32:24have knock-on effects, ripple effects,
32:26precisely as you're saying." He compared
32:28it to uh Mayor Rudy Giuliani, that there
32:30was a you know, very steep drop in crime
32:33because and some people sociologists
32:35have connected it to even things
32:36unrelated to, you know, severe crime
32:38just like saying littering and spitting
32:40on the streets and and loud music is now
32:42going to be banned. So, when you rave
32:44right now, as you said, these Islamists
32:46and others think they can just they they
32:48can
32:49walk over everyone and walk over the
32:50streets. So, completely agree with that.
32:52And one of the other things that I feel
32:54like we've been taught to say it is one
32:56of those Hasbara cliches is um
33:00Look, criticism of Israel, of course
33:02that's legitimate. Of course there
33:03should be room for that. But our problem
33:05is when it becomes delegitimization
33:07dehumanization. I have to say that I'm
33:09getting a bit tired of saying that line.
33:11Not because it's not true, but because
33:14whenever is the criticism that we hear,
33:16I'm talking outside of is you know,
33:18pro-Israel and Jewish circles, outside
33:19of that, when is it ever actually a
33:21legitimate criticism and not just
33:23something that would undermine Israel's
33:25very ability to defend itself?
33:28Uh well, yes. I mean, it's not
33:30legitimate because it's based on lies,
33:33distortion, omission, um misleading uh
33:38misleading information of one kind or
33:40another. That's why it's not legitimate.
33:42Um so,
33:44uh
33:45you know, so so so
33:46>> is do you agree with my assessment that
33:47so basically most of what we hear, the
33:50criticism is not is is not even a
33:52legitimate form of criticism even if
33:53it's
33:54>> Oh, yes. It's I mean, I I I I don't
33:56think I hear legitimate criticism. I
33:58mean, okay. You can people can, you
34:00know, they they they hate Netanyahu.
34:03Okay, fine. Uh they think that, you
34:05know, uh Ben Gvir and Smotrich are
34:08beyond the pale. Okay, that's fine.
34:09That's a legitimate point of view.
34:12Um they can say that, you know, Israel's
34:14policies are are wrong. Um
34:18fine. But if they say that Israel
34:21effectively has no right to defend
34:23itself. And if they make Israel's um
34:27self-defense uh
34:29uh Uh, if if they if they expect Israel
34:32in its in its self-defense to attain
34:36totally unattainable uh standards, um
34:40like, you know, don't kill a single
34:42civilian kind of thing, Yeah.
34:44>> um then it becomes preposterous. And
34:46that's not legitimate criticism at all.
34:48That's something quite different. Uh
34:50that is prejudice. That is double
34:52standards. And that is malevolent. Uh
34:55so, that is the distinction that should
34:58be made. And
35:00on the basis of that kind of
35:01distinction, I think I agree. There's
35:04been very little
35:07legitimate criticism because people
35:09aren't interested in criticizing the
35:11policies of the state of Israel. Why
35:12would they be? I mean, they're no
35:14they're no they're no more interested in
35:16criticizing them than they are of
35:17criticizing the policies of Belgium.
35:20It's It's irrelevant. The reason that
35:22they
35:23so-called criticize Israel is because
35:26they want to jump up and down on its
35:28head.
35:29Of course.
35:29>> Um of course. As they do, for example,
35:31against, you know, um Republican
35:33America, Trump's America.
35:35Uh they don't uh leap to denounce
35:39America when it's run by a uh by a
35:42democratic by by a democratic president.
35:45Um
35:45so, it's it's where we're talking about
35:47malice. We're talking about malevolence.
35:50Uh and it's very easy to see. Once Once
35:53you see it, you can't stop seeing it.
35:55Yeah.
35:56The broadcaster Mehdi Hasan uh just
35:58recently on X uh had a bit of a go at
36:00you, which I would consider to be a
36:01badge of honor. Um and uh I I saw you
36:05responded as well. I just wanted to get
36:06that up on the screen here so uh people
36:08can see this. Um let me just zoom out a
36:11bit so people can see this. So, um Chris
36:13Doyle uh wrote, "Why is Melanie
36:15Phillips, who's talking about you being
36:16on Sky News, who denies the existence of
36:18Palestinians as a people, who is an
36:20apologist for genocide and apartheid,
36:22and blatantly anti-Muslim being
36:24platformed?" And Mehdi Hasan writes,
36:26"Oh, that Melanie Phillips who has
36:28engaged in the most unhinged and vicious
36:29bigotry, the forces of Islam are a death
36:32death cult. No such thing as a
36:34Palestinian people continues to be
36:36invited onto news shows tells you
36:38everything about our media's double
36:39standards on racism and extremism." And
36:43you replied, "Thanks so much for the
36:45plug, Mehdi, and how delightful that Mem
36:46Am Danni came to your party in New
36:48[laughter] York last night." Um, I mean,
36:51I looked at that and look at these
36:52things he's accusing you of, I think
36:55what's not to disagree with here? You
36:57know, this is you're just stating the
36:58truth.
36:59Well, some of it is not what not to
37:01disagree with and some of it is stuff
37:03that I just haven't said. Um, so, um,
37:07you know, uh,
37:09uh,
37:10Well, for example, there not being a
37:12coherent Palestinian nation I guess is a
37:15fact.
37:16>> I I absolutely and that is that is I
37:18think you know, a demonstrable fact. But
37:21other stuff that he describes to me is
37:24just not true.
37:26Um, and it's just you know, defamatory.
37:28But frankly, I mean, who cares about
37:30Mehdi Hasan and Chris Doyle? I mean,
37:33these are apologists
37:35for
37:36unconscionable people doing
37:38unconscionable things.
37:40Um, and I mean, why you know, I mean, I
37:43just don't even feel the need to bother
37:46with the arguments that they make most
37:47of the time.
37:49They have to be you know, they have to
37:50be treated with derision.
37:52I mean, that's how they should be
37:53treated because they should have no
37:56standing whatsoever anywhere.
37:59I mean, intellectually, they're just
38:01rubbish.
38:02Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And
38:05what do you say to those who feel let's
38:07say on our side, they're just too
38:09nervous to say something as bold as
38:11well, there is no Palestinian nation
38:13even though you and I know that's the
38:14case or they're nervous to talk about
38:16the problems that exist in Islamic
38:18culture even though the data and the
38:19polling literally demonstrate there are
38:21widespread problems, but they're just
38:23scared to say it. Yeah, I think
38:25certainly people are very frightened,
38:27terrified in fact, to speak
38:31critically about anything in the Islamic
38:33world.
38:34And I think that fear drives all before
38:36it, but on the other hand,
38:38in in addition to that, people are very
38:40ignorant of the Islamic world
38:43and of Islam and consequently they don't
38:46feel that they are able to to say
38:49anything. And both of those feelings are
38:51I think perfectly understandable, but
38:53they are unfortunate cuz people should
38:55know and they should speak up. But
38:58when the when you consider um
39:01uh
39:03the argument that there is no such thing
39:06as the Palestinian people.
39:08Um again,
39:10tremendous amount of ignorance about
39:11this and certainly fear because, you
39:14know, it goes against the kind of core
39:17belief of all right-thinking people,
39:20i.e. wrong-thinking people.
39:22Um but um
39:25I have to say and this is an you know
39:28it's an unfortunate fact that many Jews
39:33don't know that.
39:34Yeah. Uh there are many Jews who think
39:37um well, you know, Palestinians are
39:39fine, but Hamas is awful or you know, of
39:42course we should have a two-state
39:43solution because there are lots and lots
39:45of Palestinians who just want a decent
39:46life.
39:48Uh and you know, we have to we have to
39:49find ways of of of empowering them. This
39:52is all great if it were true.
39:54Um so I produced lots of arguments which
39:58I think are founded in fact, in law and
40:00in history. Um
40:03and in reality to show it's not true,
40:05but um there are lots of Jews who will
40:09not believe this. They don't want to
40:11believe it. They want to believe that
40:14there are lots and lots of Palestinians
40:16with whom we can do business. Now, you
40:18know, I'm mainly living in Israel now.
40:22And
40:25the idea
40:27of a Palestine state
40:29um
40:30ceased to have political traction quite
40:32some time ago. I think the second
40:35intifada dealt a heavy blow to that
40:39uh because people then thought, well,
40:41there is no what's called partner for
40:43peace.
40:44Uh there is no Palestinian uh authority
40:47uh by which I mean leader
40:49uh who is prepared to make this peace.
40:51And so, it's you know, it's just not
40:54it's it's not a practical proposition.
40:56And Israeli politicians who would argue
40:59for the two-state solution uh find that,
41:02you know, they don't get much public
41:03support. Nevertheless, I think there was
41:07a great sort of reservoir of hope that
41:10it could be possible.
41:12Um and a great reservoir of hope that,
41:14you know, there were lots of
41:15Palestinians
41:16uh
41:17who were just so ill-served by their
41:21leaders and who, if they were better
41:24served by better leaders, uh would come
41:26on board and would live alongside
41:28Israel. I think a lot of people, well, I
41:30don't know about a lot, but certainly
41:32some thought that.
41:33Mhm. And certainly, it was that was what
41:35was believed by those people who lived
41:38in what's called the Gaza envelope,
41:41uh the kibbutz communities alongside
41:44Gaza.
41:45Uh we know uh so many of them befriended
41:48Gazans,
41:49uh befriended Palestinians, uh worked
41:53made a point of working with them, uh
41:56performed all kinds of acts of kindness
41:59for them,
42:00uh drove them to hospital appointments
42:03in Israel and so on and so forth. And we
42:06know that um
42:09those Gazans took the opportunity of
42:13those close relationships to map out
42:16every house and every street and every
42:18family in order that they should be
42:20murdered. And we also know from what the
42:23hostages who
42:24survived have told us
42:27that not one Gazan came to their aid.
42:31Not one Gazan showed them kindness and
42:34not one Gazan
42:36informed
42:37to the Israelis on where they were in
42:39order to save them.
42:41And then you also look at the polling,
42:44the Palestinian
42:46polling that's been that's taken place
42:49regularly. And since October 7th,
42:53we've looked at it with keen interest to
42:57see whether attitudes have changed, how
42:59attitudes have changed.
43:01And the overwhelming majority of the
43:04ordinary Gazans and even more of the
43:08overwhelm of the ordinary
43:11Palestinian Arabs living in what's
43:13called the West Bank.
43:14They approved of October 7th, they
43:17cheered it
43:19and they would want it to happen again
43:20and they want Israel gone and they want
43:22Jews dead.
43:23Now,
43:25um
43:26that is, you know,
43:29that is why in Israel since October 7th,
43:33there has been, you know, a much harder
43:38attitude, a hardening of the attitude
43:40towards the Palestinian Arabs on the
43:42basis that
43:44if we ever thought that we could
43:48have a situation in which they would be
43:50prepared to let us live here in our
43:54Jewish state,
43:55where we were wrong. They weren't.
43:58They don't and they won't ever. We know
44:00that now and that has produced a I think
44:03a change in, you know, Israeli political
44:06attitudes as a result. I mean, public
44:08attitudes.
44:09Yeah. Yeah. I saw a funny line the other
44:11day that said, 99% of Palestinians
44:13really do give the rest a bad name.
44:15>> [laughter]
44:16>> And uh you know, I think I think that
44:18>> say I mean I mean, let me interrupt you.
44:20Clearly,
44:21there are there have to be some decent
44:24Palestinians. Of course.
44:25By the way, I learned recently that it's
44:28uh that that there was actually a Gazan
44:31uh someone personally seems to become
44:33aware of this that gave intel to the IDF
44:36and lost and Hamas ended up killing him.
44:38And it ended up providing intel for a
44:40hostage. So, I know it's very rare. I
44:42know also that from what we know it's
44:44very rare and we know that you know,
44:46from polling data and all that. But of
44:48course, I'm not making a you know, it
44:49was a joke. I'm not making a blanket
44:51statement on everyone saying that you
44:53know, there there are you know,
44:55immutable characteristics that exist
44:57with the Arabs.
44:58>> Well, I'm talking I'm I'm talking about,
45:00you know, the statistical majority
45:03um
45:04which
45:05which suggests that those Palestinian
45:08Arabs who are um
45:11well-disposed, reasonably well-disposed
45:13towards the Israelis are few and far
45:16between.
45:17Yeah. Yeah. And and I also I I do
45:19believe that even maybe who knows, the
45:21majority of them could one day have uh
45:24you know, positive relationships with
45:26Jews but not under a Palestinian state
45:28because the whole Palestinian concept
45:31well, uh is inherently hateful and
45:33anti-Semitic in my view.
45:36>> you have to basically what's called
45:38denazify them.
45:40Um
45:40uh they are they have been inculcated uh
45:43from the cradle, generations of them, to
45:45hate Jews, to fear Jews, to loathe Jews,
45:49to want to murder Jews, and to destroy
45:51Israel, um and take it for themselves.
45:54But it's the Jewish thing that is so
45:56poisonous.
45:57Um and you have to basically
45:59deradicalize an
46:01an entire society. That's a tall order,
46:03isn't it? But, um that's what has to be
46:05done before you can actually uh hope
46:09that um peace can break out, proper
46:12peace can break out between the two the
46:14two communities. Yeah. But, my my
46:16personal view is that that peace can
46:18never we can never indulge in the idea
46:20that it could look like, you know, there
46:21being two states. So, I don't know what
46:23you know, Trump has proposed solution of
46:25remigration. Some have said Israel annex
46:27and then just I don't know have some
46:28autonomous and whatever. I I personally
46:30don't because there's too much in their
46:33culture and religious history uh and
46:35then this national identity they've
46:36created that's entirely cynical um that
46:39would risk be too much of a security
46:41risk for Israel. That's just my my view
46:42there. And also from a positive
46:43standpoint, I think, you know, we've
46:45given them a chance to have autonomy for
46:46100 years. Hasn't uh produced much. And
46:48from the positive standpoint, this
46:50actually is the Jewish people's land.
46:52More to the point, they've been offered
46:53a state of their own, I think, on six
46:55occasions at least. And every time, you
46:58know, either either um
47:00the Jews pre the state of Israel or the
47:03Israelis have accept have gone along
47:06with it, agreed to it, uh or indeed have
47:08offered it themselves. And in every
47:10occasion, the response has been to turn
47:13it down and
47:15redouble uh the campaigns of mass murder
47:19and war and terrorism. Yeah. Yeah. So,
47:21your book again, I just want to put up
47:22on screen for everyone, Fighting the
47:24Hate, A Handbook for Jews Under Siege.
47:26Really uh fantastic stuff. And you
47:29provide principles and specific tactics
47:31for engaging in debates on Israel and
47:34making the case for Israel. Um
47:37people should check uh check out your
47:38social media where they can get a flavor
47:40for that and also order the book on
47:41Amazon. Um but, can you give us What
47:44what do you feel is one of the core
47:46messages you're trying to get out to
47:48people in terms of the strategy shift
47:50that we need to employ?
47:52Uh
47:53well, um the main strategy shift is to
47:56stop playing defense and to get off the
47:59back foot onto the front foot. Um by
48:01which I mean um
48:04I think
48:05as long as I can remember um Jews have
48:08played defense uh faced with uh the
48:11allegations that have come at us uh
48:14about Israel. Uh we throw up our hands
48:16and say "Why are you being so horrible
48:18to us? We are the victims here. We are
48:20the victims of We are the targets of
48:22genocide. We are the victims of of of
48:24mass terror."
48:25Um we are um uh
48:29uh
48:29we are standing up for, you know, um
48:34our rights to live. Uh we adhere to
48:36legal principles. Why Why are you
48:38telling us these Why are you making
48:39these lies about us?
48:41It's not true. We're not committing
48:43genocide. How do I ridiculous um
48:46accusation. It's not true that the
48:48Israelis are killing so many uh
48:51civilians out of wanton disregard for
48:54their lives. It's not true. It's not
48:55true. It's not true. Now, all of that is
48:58correct, but it's the wrong strategy
49:00because if you engage with people who
49:04are hurling uh these defamatory lies at
49:07you,
49:08um if you engage with them on the ground
49:10that they've laid down,
49:11uh then you've lost before you started.
49:13It's the equivalent of the what When did
49:16you stop beating your wife question?
49:18Once you engage with that, if you try
49:20and answer it um then you get sucked
49:23into
49:25trying to you you get sucked into the
49:28impression that you're actually trying
49:30to weasel out of what's actually you've
49:33done. Whereas, the correct response is
49:35to say, "Well, this is a preposterous
49:37question. It's completely unanswerable.
49:39Um and so I won't answer it." So So what
49:42I'm So So my whole um
49:45uh
49:46underpinning the advice that I've given
49:48in the book is to say that that strategy
49:51has to change and that one should
49:55be um
49:58seeking to change the narrative uh to a
50:01small degree if you're just an
50:03individual
50:04uh and to a larger degree if you're a
50:06community leader. Change the narrative
50:08by um
50:10if you're an individual, as I said
50:12before, open the mind a crack. Uh
50:15putting into uh
50:17into the person's mind um
50:19a thought that they or
50:21a fact or an observation or a question
50:25that hasn't occurred to them and that
50:26actually expands their knowledge about
50:29Israel, Jews, Middle East uh to uh a
50:32limited extent
50:34um uh and that surprises them, that
50:36intrigues them
50:38um and that, you know,
50:40park your anger and distress as
50:42individuals. The anger and distress is
50:44overwhelming.
50:45The injustice of it, the insult, park
50:48it.
50:49You may feel better if you vent at them,
50:52but you're not going to get absolutely
50:54nowhere. Park your anger and distress
50:56and regard these attacks as an
50:58opportunity
50:59uh to um
51:01do something positive which will open
51:04their minds a crack. And therefore, you
51:08know, come up with
51:09one fact, one observation that will do
51:12that. Now, I've made several
51:14suggestions. People may not like those
51:15suggestions, but the point is that once
51:17you get into that frame of mind, once
51:19you get into that mode way of thinking,
51:21you make up your own um uh um
51:24uh
51:24reposts. And as far as the community is
51:27concerned, it's just got to get off off
51:28its knees. I mean, it is astonishing to
51:31me in Britain that, you know, the
51:32British Jewish leadership and I think
51:35this is they're not much different from
51:37America
51:38uh or well, Australia, they're a bit
51:40more feisty, but not much.
51:42Um they don't say what needs to be said.
51:44I mean, they you know, they well, yeah.
51:47In indeed, they they they they don't
51:50say, for example,
51:52what I've said earlier in this
51:53conversation, there's no such thing as
51:56uh Palestine. There's no such thing as
51:57the Palestinian people. It was cooked up
52:00in order to destroy Israel. They don't
52:02talk about Muslim anti-Semitism. What do
52:04they talk about? They talk about
52:04Islamophobia.
52:06I mean, the Jewish community leadership,
52:08you know, for the last N years has said
52:10Islamophobia is as bad as anti-Semitism
52:13is the same as anti-Semitism. We must
52:15fight those together. I mean, this is
52:17beyond
52:19stupid. Uh it is quite It is It is
52:22really quite immoral
52:24uh to make those make that uh
52:26equation, not least because it brands
52:30people like me who do talk about Muslim
52:33anti-Semitism as Islamophobic. So, it
52:35shuts people like me down for saying
52:38something that is necessary and
52:40important for people to hear.
52:42Um and in the defense of the Jewish
52:44people and in fact for wider as well.
52:47Uh so, um the Jewish community
52:49leadership has to get up off off its
52:50knees and it has to start It has to
52:52start saying things which are true, uh
52:55which they don't say. And it also should
52:58start um
53:00repositioning
53:01uh Jews um
53:04uh
53:05as not just fighting the good fight uh
53:08for Israel, which is a sort of very
53:10narrow canvas, but it should acknowledge
53:13what few Jewish leaders I think even
53:15think about,
53:16uh but certainly don't say, which is
53:19that the fight against anti-Jewish
53:21hatred uh
53:24is part of the fight to defend Western
53:26civilization, which is under attack from
53:29predatory Islam, from Islamism.
53:32Uh now,
53:34in that fight, the Jews have potentially
53:37many allies
53:39um in other minorities and in the
53:42majority. So, there are many uh
53:44Christians
53:45who are waiting for their own church to
53:49lead them in this fight and they find to
53:51their horror that it's actually in the
53:53forefront it's literally on its knees to
53:56predatory Islam and it's in the
53:58forefront of undermining the West West's
54:02own defenses
54:04of its historic identity. But, there are
54:07lots and lots of Christians who do get
54:09it and who are the Jews potential allies
54:12in this. I mean, Jews and Christians
54:14Jews should be joining with Christians
54:16to
54:17fight in the public sphere
54:21for recognition of an opposition to and
54:24protest against what's going on in
54:27Africa and other parts of the developing
54:29world in which Christians are being
54:33decimated, they're being massacred,
54:35they're being burned alive in their
54:37churches. No one speaks about this. What
54:40an opportunity that would be for Jews to
54:44make a point of
54:47allying with Christians
54:50and really campaigning on this. And this
54:52would achieve many things. First of all,
54:55it would
54:56improve relations between Jews and
54:58Christians.
54:59Secondly, it might well do some good in
55:03alerting the world or or focusing the
55:06world's conscience on what's happening
55:08to Christians and therefore it might
55:10alleviate their plight.
55:12And thirdly, and no less important, it
55:16would tell the great masses in the West
55:19who
55:20don't really think about national
55:22identity in terms of its core principles
55:26being embedded in the Bible, in
55:28Christianity and in Judaism. Um they
55:31regard these as irrelevant and they
55:32think that the core values that they
55:34believe in like, you know, um, um
55:38compassion and putting the
55:41the value putting the interest of other
55:43people
55:45first
55:46and
55:48upholding the value of every human life
55:50and all those sorts of things. They
55:52think that was given to the West by the
55:54Greeks or it's implanted in our DNA at
55:58birth. It's complete nonsense. It was
55:59given by the Bible by by Judaism
56:02actually and then
56:03uh, you know, through Christianity
56:05became the core values of the West. Now,
56:08if Jews and Christians were to unite
56:12in defense of Christians who are being
56:15slaughtered around the world, that would
56:18actually help tell the great masses in
56:20the West that there is something worth
56:23fighting for, that Western values are
56:26actually better than others,
56:28that they believe in the value of human
56:30life, that they really do believe in
56:32standing up against gross abuses of
56:34power and mass murder and that Jews and
56:37Christians are part of this great
56:39battle. This would be a tremendous
56:41thing. Instead of the West telling
56:43itself as it does, you know, everything
56:45the West does is awful.
56:48Um,
56:50the West is is just racist. It's it's
56:52it's just pathetic. It's it's it
56:54oppresses other people. As for Jews and
56:57Christians, well, they're just sort of
56:59ridiculous, backward-looking minorities.
57:02Who cares about them? It would transform
57:04everything. So, that was one example of
57:07where the Jewish community can be
57:08proactive
57:10and think out of the box.
57:12Uh, stand back, think out of the box,
57:14make allies and fight the good fight on
57:17behalf of a much wider swathe
57:21of society.
57:23Yeah, and you provide a bunch of really,
57:25uh, brilliant suggestions both from a,
57:27uh, strategy point of view but also in
57:28terms of specific arguments and how you
57:30would suggest turning the tables or
57:32responding to them. Again, really,
57:33really encourage people to get
57:34themselves a copy of this book. Um and
57:37in our bonus section, want to talk to
57:39you a bit about, you know, you've
57:40studied anti-Semitism now for such a
57:42long time and anti-Zionism, what you
57:44consider to be the deeper roots of this,
57:46what you really put this down to. And
57:47also, something we've been seeing more
57:50recently, the now very clear overlapping
57:53between the far left and the far right
57:56or the woke right or the woke Reich, as
57:58I heard Netanyahu call it, um and the
58:00Islamists and how and and how we can
58:02make sense of that. In the next bonus
58:04section, Melanie explains why the woke
58:06right and left and Islamists have all
58:08converged in their hostility toward
58:10Israel. And even more fascinatingly,
58:13what she believes is the only real
58:15explanation for Jew hatred. To join us
58:18for this part of the conversation, as
58:19well as access a whole new range of JTV
58:22Plus premium content and be part [music]
58:24of regular group Zoom calls with me,
58:26just click on the link below in the
58:27video description. I'll see you there.

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