MELAGRANA: cosa succede davvero nel nostro organismo quando la mangiamo? — Transcript
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- 0:03Look at this fruit, you all know it,
- 0:05right? It's the pomegranate, a fruit
- 0:08that has accompanied humanity for
- 0:10thousands of years. But today I want to
- 0:14tell you something you likely don't
- 0:16know, because inside these small red
- 0:19seeds hide substances which, once they
- 0:22have reached our intestines, can be
- 0:24transformed by the specific bacteria
- 0:26that make their home within our colon.
- 0:30And do you know what's most surprising?
- 0:34Some of the metabolites produced by
- 0:36these bacteria are currently being
- 0:37studied for their possible role in the
- 0:39functioning of the mitochondria. Did
- 0:42you get it right? We are talking about
- 0:44those specific structures that allow
- 0:46our cells to produce a large portion of
- 0:48the energy that they require for their
- 0:50functions. But there's another
- 0:52interesting fact. Two people who eat
- 0:55exactly the same pomegranate will
- 0:58produce very different amounts of these
- 1:01substances because it also depends on
- 1:04the bacteria that live in their
- 1:06intestines. Today I'm going to take you
- 1:09on a journey. We'll start with the
- 1:12millennia-old history of the
- 1:14pomegranate, discover what it contains
- 1:16and follow some of its molecules
- 1:19through our digestive system. We will
- 1:22enter the colon, meet the intestinal
- 1:25microbiota and get to the mitochondria
- 1:27and finally we will also talk about a
- 1:30very interesting topic, research on the
- 1:32pomegranate and urinary tract
- 1:34infections. I am Dr. De Mari and this
- 1:37is a new episode of our series, Inside
- 1:39the Human Body. Before we enter into
- 1:45our body, let us take a small journey
- 1:48back in time. The pomegranate is the
- 1:52fruit of the pomegranate tree, a plant
- 1:54known scientifically as Punica granatum
- 1:56. Its origins are between the
- 2:00Aesculapian and the regions of
- 2:01modern-day Iran. From these lands it
- 2:05gradually spread towards India, the
- 2:07Middle East and the Mediterranean. It
- 2:10was already known to ancient
- 2:11civilizations. The Egyptians considered
- 2:14it a symbol of life and prosperity. In
- 2:18ancient Greece it was linked to the
- 2:20myth of Persephone. According to the
- 2:23mythological story, Persephone ate some
- 2:25pomegranate seeds in the kingdom of
- 2:27Aden. That gesture linked her to the
- 2:30underworld and became part of the myth
- 2:32that explained the changing of the
- 2:34seasons. And think about how
- 2:37fascinating this symbolism is, a fruit
- 2:39that contains hundreds of small seeds
- 2:42has become a symbol of fertility,
- 2:44abundance and rebirth in many crops.
- 2:48But today, science allows us to look
- 2:50beyond the symbolism, because this
- 2:52structure, which is so particular,
- 2:55contains a phytochemical composition
- 2:57that is quite interesting. Let's start
- 3:03with a distinction. Those things we
- 3:06commonly call grains are actually arils
- 3:09, which are the juicy structures that
- 3:11surround the seeds. They are the part
- 3:14that we normally eat. 100 g of arils
- 3:17contain about 83 kcalories. They
- 3:21contain water, carbohydrates, about 4 g
- 3:23of fiber, potassium and small amounts
- 3:26of various vitamins. But the most
- 3:28interesting part from a research point
- 3:30of view concerns the phytochemical
- 3:32compounds. Let's start with the
- 3:34anthocyanins. These are natural
- 3:37pigments which contribute to giving the
- 3:39pomegranate its characteristic deep red
- 3:41color. They belong to the large family
- 3:44of polyphenols. Then we find the
- 3:49ellagitans and here we encounter a
- 3:51molecule that has been particularly
- 3:54studied, punnicaagin. Punica lain is
- 3:58mainly present in the peel and internal
- 4:00membranes of the fruit. Here you see,
- 4:05this part is not the one we normally
- 4:08eat, yet it contains significant
- 4:11concentrations of some polyphenols.
- 4:15This allows us to understand something
- 4:17fundamental. Eating the arils, drinking
- 4:20a juice and taking a concentrated
- 4:23extract does not mean introducing
- 4:25exactly the same substances into the
- 4:27body in the same quantity. It depends
- 4:31on the part of the fruit used, the
- 4:32processing method and the
- 4:34concentrations of the compound. And it
- 4:36is a distinction that will become
- 4:38particularly important when we get into
- 4:41scientific studies. But now comes the
- 4:43most fascinating part. What happens to
- 4:46these molecules when they enter our
- 4:48digestive system? Imagine eating a
- 4:55portion of pomegranate; you chew it,
- 4:57you swallow it, and then the contents
- 5:00finally reach your stomach. Then it
- 5:04passes into the small intestine where
- 5:06numerous digestive and absorption
- 5:08processes take place, but not all the
- 5:10compounds in the pomegranate are
- 5:12completely absorbed in this first part
- 5:14of the journey. Therefore, certain
- 5:18tannins undergo a transformation during
- 5:20the digestive process, subsequently
- 5:22releasing agagic acid. A portion of
- 5:25these compounds reaches the colon and
- 5:27here they meet an extraordinary
- 5:29ecosystem, the intestinal microbiota.
- 5:32We are talking about a community made
- 5:34up of billions of microorganisms,
- 5:36including bacteria that participate in
- 5:38numerous metabolic transformations.
- 5:41Some of these bacteria possess the
- 5:43unique ability to transform ellagic
- 5:45acid into a specific family of
- 5:46metabolites which are known as
- 5:48urolithins. These include urolithins A
- 5:52and B, as well as other intermediate
- 5:54molecules. Now, be careful, these
- 5:57substances are not simply already
- 6:00present in the fruit, in the quantities
- 6:02that we can find after intestinal
- 6:04transformation; they are partly the
- 6:07result of the work of our
- 6:08microorganisms. Therefore, the
- 6:11microbiota does not simply coexist with
- 6:14us, it participates in the chemical
- 6:16transformation of some substances
- 6:18introduced with food. And this is where
- 6:20I want to ask you a question. Do you
- 6:23believe that we all share the exact
- 6:26same types of bacteria within our
- 6:28intestinal systems? Of course not. So,
- 6:31if the production of urolithins is also
- 6:33dependent on intestinal microorganisms,
- 6:35can we really expect that we all
- 6:36produce the exact same quantity of them
- 6:38? In this case too, the answer is no.
- 6:43Researchers have identified different
- 6:45profiles called urolithic metabiota.
- 6:50There are people who predominantly
- 6:52produce urolithin A, others who produce
- 6:55urolithin B together with A, and still
- 6:58others who do not produce detectable
- 7:00amounts of final urolithin under the
- 7:03conditions studied. These profiles are
- 7:07referred to as metabiotype A,
- 7:09metabiotype B, and metabiotype Zer. Do
- 7:13you understand how interesting this is?
- 7:16Two people may consume the exact same
- 7:18amount of pomegranate, but because of
- 7:20differences in their gut microbiota,
- 7:22they can go on to produce entirely
- 7:24different metabolites. This is one of
- 7:28the reasons why research is so
- 7:29interested in the relationship between
- 7:31diet, microbiota, and personalized
- 7:33nutrition. But can we talk about a
- 7:36prebiotic effect? Here we need to make
- 7:39a clarification. A prebiotic is defined
- 7:41as a substrate that is selectively used
- 7:44by host microorganisms which are
- 7:45capable of conferring a health benefit.
- 7:48Some dietary fibers are well-known
- 7:51examples. Certain polyphenols are also
- 7:54currently being studied for a possible
- 7:56microbiotic activity. But the fact that
- 8:00bacteria transform a substance is not
- 8:02enough in itself to demonstrate a
- 8:04prebiotic effect. For pomegranate, it
- 8:08is therefore more correct to speak of a
- 8:10possible prebiotic activity and above
- 8:12all of an interaction between
- 8:14polyphenols and gut microbiota. And
- 8:17this interaction brings us to the next
- 8:19stop on our journey. One of the most
- 8:22studied molecules produced by the
- 8:25microbiota is urolithin A. Once formed
- 8:27in the intestine, it can be absorbed
- 8:30and subsequently transformed by the
- 8:32body into other derivatives. Research
- 8:36has focused on urolithin A, in
- 8:38particular for its possible
- 8:40relationship with a cellular process
- 8:42called mitophagy. But what is mitophagy
- 8:45? To understand it, we need to go
- 8:48inside a cell. This is where we find
- 8:50the mitochondria. These are organelles
- 8:53that are essential for cellular energy
- 8:56production. We can imagine them as a
- 8:59system of small power plants, but
- 9:01mitochondria also tend to get damaged
- 9:04and lose efficiency over time, and the
- 9:06cell possesses specific systems
- 9:08designed to recognize and subsequently
- 9:11remove those that have become damaged.
- 9:14One of these processes is called
- 9:16mitophagy. It is a specialized form of
- 9:18autophagy that contributes to the
- 9:20quality control of our body's
- 9:22mitochondria. Well, several
- 9:25experimental studies have observed that
- 9:27urolithin A can influence some of the
- 9:29mechanisms involved in these processes.
- 9:32Clinical studies have also been
- 9:34conducted, utilizing purified urolithin
- 9:36, in order to evaluate various
- 9:38indicators related to both muscle
- 9:40function and mitochondrial function.
- 9:43But here comes a fundamental
- 9:44clarification. We must not confuse the
- 9:47effects that are studied with a
- 9:49purified molecule with those that
- 9:51result from the consumption of an
- 9:53actual food. Eating a pomegranate does
- 9:56not mean taking a defined dose of
- 9:58urolithin A because that molecule must
- 10:00first be produced by the microbiota and
- 10:03we have just seen that not everyone has
- 10:05the same capacity to produce it. So the
- 10:09research is fascinating, but we cannot
- 10:11claim that eating pomegranate
- 10:13rejuvenates the mitochondria. That
- 10:17would be a conclusion that goes beyond
- 10:19the available evidence and that is the
- 10:22beauty of science, it allows us to
- 10:24discover new mechanisms, but it also
- 10:26teaches us to distinguish between
- 10:28hypotheses of potential benefits and
- 10:30those that have been clinically
- 10:32demonstrated. Now I would like to speak
- 10:36to you about another topic which is
- 10:38currently attracting the attention of
- 10:40research: the potential role of
- 10:41pomegranate in urinary tract infections
- 10:43. You may have already heard of
- 10:48cranberries. They are a fruit that has
- 10:50been studied primarily for the
- 10:51prevention of recurrent urinary tract
- 10:53infections. But why? Some of its
- 10:56compounds, in particular certain type A
- 10:59proanthoidins, have been studied for
- 11:01their ability to hinder the adhesion of
- 11:04bacteria such as Escherichia colli to
- 11:07the cells of the urinary tract. And
- 11:11this is an important step because
- 11:13several strains of Escherichia colli
- 11:15responsible for urinary tract
- 11:16infections have structures that allow
- 11:19them to adhere to the urethra. For
- 11:23cranberry, we also have clinical
- 11:24studies and systemic reviews that
- 11:26suggest a benefit in preventing
- 11:28relapses, especially. But this does not
- 11:32mean that cranberry can cure ongoing
- 11:34cystitis. And pomegranate. Some
- 11:37experimental studies have observed
- 11:40antimicrobial and antibiofilm
- 11:42activities of extracts obtained from
- 11:44pomegranate. Among the compounds
- 11:47studied we find punicalagin,
- 11:49punicalanin and ellagic acid. In the
- 11:53laboratory, certain extracts have shown
- 11:55the ability to interfere with some
- 11:57processes involved in the growth and
- 12:00organization of bacteria. But we must
- 12:03be very precise. These results mainly
- 12:07pertain to preclinical experiments, and
- 12:09concentrated extracts that are obtained
- 12:11from the peel of the fruit are often
- 12:14utilized as well. We are not
- 12:17necessarily talking about the
- 12:18consumption of fresh seeds. There are
- 12:22also small studies on formulations that
- 12:24combine pomegranate extracts with other
- 12:27substances such as dimannose,
- 12:28prebiotics and probiotics. But when a
- 12:32formulation contains multiple
- 12:33ingredients, we cannot automatically
- 12:35attribute the possible result to one or
- 12:37the other and above all the available
- 12:39studies are not yet sufficient to
- 12:41establish that pomegranate prevents
- 12:43urinary tract infections in any way. So
- 12:46if someone tells you that eating
- 12:48pomegranate is exactly the same as
- 12:50taking cranberries to prevent urinary
- 12:52tract infections, you should know that
- 12:58this equivalence has not been
- 13:00demonstrated. Furthermore, if you
- 13:02happen to develop cystitis, especially
- 13:04when accompanied by fever, pain in your
- 13:06sides, or other significant symptoms,
- 13:08it is still essential that you consult
- 13:10with your doctor for a proper medical
- 13:11examination. The fruit is in no way a
- 13:15substitute for an approved therapy. At
- 13:22this point, you are probably asking
- 13:24yourselves: "So, how is it best to
- 13:26consume the pomegranate: as the whole
- 13:28fruit, in the form of juice, or perhaps
- 13:31as an extract?" From a nutritional
- 13:34perspective, I would generally express
- 13:36a preference for fresh arils because,
- 13:39in addition to water and phytochemicals
- 13:41, we also ingest dietary fiber; this
- 13:44fiber contributes to normal intestinal
- 13:46function, and a portion of it can
- 13:48subsequently be utilized by the various
- 13:51microorganisms present within the colon
- 13:53. Juice, on the other hand, generally
- 13:57contains much less fiber and it is
- 13:59often much easier to quickly consume
- 14:02the sugars present in a large quantity
- 14:04of fruit. This does not mean that a
- 14:07pomegranate juice which contains no
- 14:09added sugars should necessarily be
- 14:11considered a negative food item. It
- 14:13simply means that it is not
- 14:15nutritionally identical to the whole
- 14:17fruit. What about extracts? Dried
- 14:20extracts can be standardized so that
- 14:22they contain defined amounts of
- 14:24specific compounds, however, their
- 14:26final composition depends on both the
- 14:28raw material used and the specific
- 14:30extraction process applied. Furthermore
- 14:34, a higher concentration of polyphenols
- 14:36does not automatically guarantee
- 14:39greater clinical benefit. Extracts must
- 14:41be evaluated based on their composition
- 14:44, their safety, and the evidence that
- 14:46is available regarding their intended
- 14:48specific use. We have reached the end
- 14:50of our journey and we started with a
- 14:52fruit that has been known for thousands
- 14:54of years. We discovered that it
- 14:57contains fiber, micronutrients and
- 14:59numerous phytochemicals. We followed
- 15:02some of its polyphenols to the colon.
- 15:06We have seen how certain intestinal
- 15:08bacteria can transform them into
- 15:10urolithins and we have even reached the
- 15:13mitochondria where research is trying
- 15:15to better understand the possible role
- 15:18of one of these molecules, urolipin A.
- 15:20We have also understood why it is
- 15:22necessary to distinguish the studies
- 15:25conducted on extracts from the
- 15:26properties of the fresh fruit, but
- 15:29above all we have learned one thing: it
- 15:31is not only what we eat that matters,
- 15:35it is also how our body, together with
- 15:37the intestinal microbiota, is able to
- 15:40transform it. And this reminds us of
- 15:43how complex and fascinating the
- 15:45relationship between nutrition and
- 15:48health is. But I want to leave you with
- 15:51one last message. We do not need to
- 15:54transform every food into a drug to
- 15:57recognize its value. Pomegranate is not
- 16:01a miracle cure; rather, it is a food
- 16:03that can find a place in a varied and
- 16:06balanced diet, and its scientific
- 16:08history is a subject that is still
- 16:10entirely to be explored. If you enjoyed
- 16:14this episode, write to me in the
- 16:16comments which food you would like to
- 16:18explore in the next episode of Inside
- 16:20the Human Body. And if you would like
- 16:23to continue discovering how our body
- 16:25truly functions, please make sure to
- 16:27subscribe to my channel. I am Dr. De
- 16:30Mari. See you on the next journey
- 16:32inside the human body. Hi everyone.
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