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0:00well you know we talked to a lot of
0:01people for uh my film what is aw woman
0:03which is streaming now exclusively on
0:04The Daily wire and you go to what isw
0:06woman.com and get signed up and you can
0:08watch the film right now many of the
0:11conversations we had were
0:12unintentionally hilarious many were
0:14disturbing veering significantly over to
0:16the disturbing end of the spectrum is my
0:18interview with Dr Michelle forcier who
0:21is as you'll hear her proudly identify
0:23herself a gender affirming pediatrician
0:25and also an abortionist uh we flew up to
0:28Providence Rhode Island to speak with Dr
0:30forcier she was you know friendly enough
0:33at first and what we found in many of
0:36the interviews that you'll see in what
0:38is a woman is that gender ideologues are
0:41very polite and
0:43nice right up until the moment when you
0:46express any skepticism at all but before
0:50we get to that point um where things
0:51really start to sort of fall apart let's
0:53get to know Michelle a little bit watch
1:00my name is Michelle forier um and I have
1:03a medical degree from University of
1:05Connecticut residency University of Utah
1:07Pediatrics and I've worked for a number
1:09of different plant Parenthood for 20
1:12years I do Advanced contraception and
1:14abortion as well as gender hormones and
1:16sort of looking at the whole sort of
1:18schema of gender sex and and
1:20reproductive um justice so you've done a
1:22lot of work in this field could you just
1:23start by telling us sure uh at what age
1:27can a child first
1:30begin to transition into another gender
1:33or identify themselves as a gender
1:36different from how they were born yeah
1:38well I mean there's there's research and
1:40data that show that um babies and
1:42infants um understand differences in
1:44gender some children figure out their
1:48gender really early and the reason why
1:51we are say oh that's that's interesting
1:53or important is because they're figuring
1:55out their gender identity is not
1:57necessarily congruent with their sex
1:59assigned birth when the when the doctor
2:01sees the penis and says this is a male
2:04has the sex of male that's a
2:07arbitrary distinction telling that
2:10family based on that little penis that
2:14your child is absolutely 100% male
2:17identified no matter what else occurs in
2:20their life that's not correct so what is
2:23gender affirmation care you're a big
2:25proponent of if we walk through a child
2:28is sitting down with you is questioning
2:30yeah their gender what's the gender
2:32affirmation process affirmation means
2:35that as a pediatrician as someone who
2:37says my job is to provide the best
2:39medical care for you is I need to listen
2:43really carefully and how I put it in
2:45words for kids so that they can
2:47understand it is tell me your story
2:50where have you been in terms of your
2:51gender and your gender identity where
2:53you right now and more excitingly where
2:57would you like to be in the future have
3:00you ever met a
3:02four-year-old who believes in Santa
3:05Claus so this is someone who believes
3:08that a fat man is traveling through the
3:11sky and a flying reindeer at lightning
3:13speed coming down his chimney with
3:14presents yeah would you say that this is
3:17someone who maybe has a tenuous grasp on
3:19reality they have an appropriate
3:21four-year-old handle on the reality
3:23that's very real for them agreed agreed
3:25but Santa Claus is real for them but
3:27Santa Claus is not actually real yeah
3:29well but Santa Claus does deliver their
3:31Christmas presents well yeah but he's
3:33not real though to that child they are
3:37when I see a child who you know believes
3:39in Santa Claus and then let's say this
3:41is a boy and he says I'm a girl mhm this
3:44is someone who can't distinguish between
3:46fantasy and reality so how could you
3:48take
3:50that as a reality I would say that as a
3:54pediatrician and as a parent I would say
3:57how wonderful my four-year-old in their
3:58imagination is you know one of the
4:00hardest things as we did this film uh
4:02especially in interviewing
4:04somebody like
4:06that is uh not like my instinct just to
4:09yell at them to to begin with but that's
4:12not what the it's kind of a short film
4:15if it's just me going around yelling at
4:16people the objective here is to ask
4:18questions and that's and that's uh all
4:21we did through the whole film is just is
4:22just uh is ask
4:24questions and let gender ideology
4:27essentially hang itself is the idea and
4:30uh and and to show is this something
4:33that can
4:34withstand scrutiny or not even just
4:38basic scrutiny and what we discovered is
4:40that it can't so what's happening in
4:41that exchange is first of all she says
4:44uh talking about a child who who sits
4:46down with her is uh she wants to know
4:49about their gender journey and where
4:52would you like to be in the future so
4:53she's talking about a child's like
4:55five-year gender plan but the point I
4:58was trying to get across to her is that
5:01children don't have a grasp on reality I
5:03mean even if in theory people could
5:05choose their own gender which they can't
5:08but if they
5:09could it wouldn't make sense to say that
5:12a child could choose it children believe
5:14in Santa Claus so like what do they know
5:16about
5:17reality if a if a child is four years
5:20old and believes that not only Santa
5:22Claus is real but that fairies and
5:24dragons and it lives appropriately in
5:26this kind of fantasy world and then the
5:29boy says that I'm a
5:31girl that claim exists within the same
5:35fantasy world this is just imagination
5:37this is a kid who just doesn't doesn't
5:39understand the distinction between
5:40fantasy in reality um so how can they
5:43make these determinations but then again
5:45as as we as found there Michelle
5:47wouldn't even affirm that Santa doesn't
5:49exist so I that was I was unclear about
5:50that also like are you do you actually
5:53think that Santa exists what's happening
5:55but it's it's as you're talking to these
5:58people it's like your own you feel
5:59yourself going slightly insane so it was
6:02a pretty bewildering exchange there but
6:04it only gets weirder from here let's
6:06keep watching male gametes that's what
6:09makes me male no your your sperm don't
6:11make you male then what does it's a
6:14constellation in reality in truth okay
6:19whose truth are we talking about the
6:20same truth that says we're sitting in
6:22this room right now you and I no you're
6:24not listening if I if I see a chicken
6:26laying eggs and I say that's a female
6:27chicken laying eggs did I assign female
6:29or am I just observing a physical
6:31reality that's happening in the world
6:33does a chicken have gender identity does
6:34a chicken cry does a chicken commit
6:37suicide let's frame it because you're
6:40talking you're trying chicken has sex
6:42like any like any biological organism
6:44has an assigned gender but a chicken
6:46doesn't have a gender identity so we
6:48assign female to chickens when they lay
6:50eggs that's a we assume they're female
6:51if they lay eggs that right there will
6:54go down for me
6:56as maybe one of the most probably and
7:00every other thing make that makes it on
7:01this particular list also happen in the
7:03film but certainly one of the most
7:04outrageous uh exchanges I've ever had
7:07with anybody and of course see this this
7:10is what happens when you start asking
7:12questions to to the to the gender to the
7:14proponent of gender ideology is um they
7:17you know they start they end up backing
7:20themselves into various corners and they
7:21have to make um increasingly more wild
7:26sort of claims to get themselves out of
7:28the corners that they've backed
7:29themselves eles into and so when you're
7:31talking about sex for example like it's
7:35all on a spectrum and sex is something
7:38that is as she says in in our
7:40conversation she says that sex is a
7:42assigned at Birth that just like doctors
7:46are just deciding this kind of
7:50arbitrarily well if that's the nature of
7:53sex then what about other organisms
7:56aside from human beings okay we would
7:58also say that a when a chicken is laying
8:00eggs oh well that's a female chicken are
8:02we assigning that is that is that is
8:04that just something we've decided that
8:06the chicken is female or is the chicken
8:09female and if the chicken is female then
8:12that would tell us something about the
8:13nature of biological sex which is that
8:14it's not a signed it is observed but she
8:17can't go along with that and so she
8:19starts talking about the chickens gender
8:20identity and whether chickens commit
8:22suicide um and it doesn't get much
8:24better from there well last week Kim
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8:53and eating fake meat is not going to
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9:39Instead at what age does the medical
9:42transition begin with uh medication so
9:45medical affirmation begins when the
9:47patient says they're ready for it so
9:50that could be a a kiddo who is just
9:53starting puberty and panicking cuz
9:55they're getting breast buds or their
9:58penis is getting bigger and busier and
10:00they're worried about all kinds of
10:02masculine changes and that way puberty
10:05blockers which are completely
10:07reversible and don't have permanent
10:10effects are wonderful because we can put
10:13that pause on puberty just like if you
10:15were listening to music you put the Paw
10:17on and we stop the blockers and puberty
10:20would go right back to where it was the
10:23next note in the song Just delayed that
10:26period of time so this part this is a
10:27part from later in the film as we start
10:29getting into more of the specifics here
10:31about puberty blockers and I'm not going
10:33to say myself right now a lot in
10:35response to that because you have to go
10:36watch the film um because as I said we
10:40I'm asking questions and we don't just
10:41ask questions of people on this side we
10:43bring in other people so there's a
10:45there's a little bit of a back and forth
10:47here but we're going to get a response
10:49in the film to this claim that puberty
10:51can just be just be you know just pause
10:54it as she says like like music does the
10:57human body work that way I mean is is is
11:01that the way it works where you can take
11:04a drug to
11:07intentionally um interfere with certain
11:10normal healthy processes and you could
11:13take and then there's there's no
11:14negative consequences at
11:16all just stop taking the drug and pick
11:19up where you left off which of course
11:22the interesting thing is that even if
11:23that was true which it isn't as you'll
11:24see in the film but even if it was true
11:27well then wouldn't that mean I mean if a
11:29child's taking puberty
11:31blockers to stop their normal
11:33development and then we're just putting
11:35it on pause for let's say five years and
11:39then they decide that okay I don't want
11:40to take this anymore well at a minimum
11:43now they're going to be five years
11:44behind in their growth and development
11:47so even according to her version of
11:50events like at a minimum you're going to
11:52have stunted
11:53growth and you're going to have someone
11:55who is behind in their physical
11:57development but actually the
11:58consequences are lot lot worse than that
12:00as we uh discover in the film and as we
12:03get into um in this next exchange about
12:07the puberty blockers themselves what are
12:10they what do they do uh what is their
12:13what what is their actual purpose uh
12:16let's watch that one of the drugs used
12:17is Lupron right which has actually been
12:20used to chemically castrate sex
12:23offenders you know what I'm not sure
12:25that we should continue with this
12:27interview because it seems like it's
12:28going in particular direction well
12:30you're a medical professional I am a
12:32medical professional so you don't want
12:33to talk about the drugs that you give to
12:36kids
12:37or again I'm a physician and I use
12:40medication you're choosing exploitive
12:43words drugs I give to I'm choosing a
12:46chemical word that was in a dictionary
12:48that's not a correct term for puberty
12:50blocking I could like look it up on my
12:51phone but I'm pretty sure if I looked it
12:52up like you you can look it up on your
12:54phone says medical definition the
12:56administration of a drug to bring about
12:58a mark reduction in the body's
13:00production of androgens and especially
13:01testosterone and I'm saying as a
13:04pediatrician who takes care of hundreds
13:06of these kids when you use that
13:08terminology you were being malignant and
13:10harmful I mean there are some who would
13:12say that giving chemical castration
13:14drugs to kids is malignant and harmful
13:17it's about the context of caring for a
13:19child and and seeing the the suffering
13:23that kids can have that have not been in
13:26affirmative home situations so that was
13:28the part part in our conversation where
13:31things got
13:32um things got a bit contentious but I
13:35wouldn't say that it that it that that's
13:37when they started to get contentious
13:38actually what we discovered in doing
13:40these interviews is that um you know I
13:43kind of knew going
13:45in uh I I had certain points in mind
13:47where where I thought okay well when I
13:49ask this question um it you know things
13:52might get a little bit tense and I kind
13:53of know well because that's that's
13:55that's more of a challenging question
13:57and what I found so often in these
13:58interviews is that things got tense much
14:00earlier than I originally thought they
14:03would because there were questions that
14:05I thought would be really easy for the
14:07person that I'm talking to that turned
14:08out not to be easy at all questions
14:11like uh what's the difference between
14:14sex and gender you know these are like
14:16that's that's supposed to be a softball
14:19but even that things start go off the
14:21rails in a lot of these interviews when
14:22I ask even a question like that because
14:24what we found is that um these people
14:26these gender ideologues especially the
14:28ones who are in this
14:29industry and they're making a lot of
14:31money off of promoting gender confusion
14:34especially in kids it's that well we
14:37found is that they are not prepared to
14:40encounter
14:42any
14:43skepticism at all they're not prepared
14:46to answer any
14:48questions the only questions they're
14:49prepared to answer are the questions
14:50that are not really questions at all
14:52right questions like uh how how
14:55meaningful is it to you to be able to
14:58help people in their gender Journey like
15:00that those kind of questions or it's
15:01just a setup for them to give a
15:03pre-planned canned you know speech so by
15:06the time we got to this exchange it
15:07already gotten pretty tense and uh and
15:11of course I asked her about Lupron now
15:12this is a drug that she gives to kids
15:14and as we hear from somebody else in the
15:15film Scott nent um who has experience
15:18with these kinds of drugs personal
15:19experience this drug in particular is a
15:22drug it is actually by definition
15:24chemical castration which is why I
15:26wasn't planning on doing this but I
15:27pulled out my phone look up the the
15:28definition of chemical castration she
15:30she says that chemical castration that's
15:32an exploitative word and I'm being
15:34malignant and harmful by using that word
15:36well look up the definition of chemical
15:38castration and that is a puberty blocker
15:42that is by definition when you give a
15:44kid a puberty blocker you are performing
15:46chemical castration on the kid period
15:49and we know that because Lupron
15:52specifically has been used to chemically
15:55castrate sex offenders you notice in
15:57that exchange by the way didn't deny she
16:00she takes issue with the words that I'm
16:01using she threatens to get up and storm
16:03out um she's offended by the by the way
16:07that I'm phrasing it the words but she
16:09never says oh no that's that's that's
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17:20question which is the question I ask uh
17:22everyone and uh which is what is a woman
17:25and probably is not going to surprise
17:27you by now that she doesn't exactly have
17:29answer for it but let's uh let's listen
17:31to what she comes up with so we're going
17:34on this
17:35journey boys can be girls girls can be
17:37boys men can be women women can be men
17:40it makes me
17:42wonder what is a woman what is a woman a
17:46woman is someone who claims that as
17:48their identity it could be many things
17:50to many
17:52people that was her answer well a woman
17:54is anyone and that was by the way not to
17:57give any spoilers away but but that is
18:01the
18:02answer from the left to the question
18:04which is a non-answer it's the same
18:05thing as not answering it at all but
18:07that is that is the answer a woman is
18:09someone who says they're a woman and of
18:11course to everyone who gives me that
18:12answer in the film I have the followup a
18:14woman is someone who identifies as a
18:15woman what are they identifying as and
18:17around and around we go because they
18:20don't have an answer to the question
18:21this is a medical
18:25doctor um who can't tell you what a
18:27woman is I mean this is someone who who
18:30if someone goes to her and say is a man
18:33and says I you know I'm really a woman I
18:34want to transition into a woman she will
18:37help facilitate that process and yet she
18:39doesn't know what the word means she
18:43doesn't actually know she by her own
18:46testimony when someone says I want to
18:48transition into a woman she doesn't even
18:49know what that means like what are you
18:50transitioning
18:51into she has no idea as we found over
18:55and over again in the film and that was
18:56just a few minutes of the film um only
18:59one person of the dozens that we spoke
19:00to and I can tell you right now that
19:04um what we heard in those clips there I
19:07don't think any of it qualifies as quite
19:09the craziest thing we heard the chicken
19:10part gets pretty close still not all the
19:12way there there's there's so much more
19:13than you need to see but you have to go
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19:17see it um a lot more where that came
19:20from I promise you go see for yourself
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19:23[Music]
19:28well those were all clips from our film
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