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0:03okay welcome everyone uh for those of
0:05you who don't know me I'm Jen we have
0:07Melanie here as well who's going to be
0:09co- teing our class
0:11today um and I just want to just up
0:16front we're going to introduce ourselves
0:17more in depth and and kind of give the
0:19outline for what we're doing today uh
0:22but I just wanted to share quickly this
0:25is going to be recorded So if you are
0:28struggling with brain F neurological
0:30symptoms whatever fatigue whatever might
0:32be going on and staying for the whole
0:36you know four hours of class time feels
0:38daunting totally okay to leave early or
0:41to pop in and out you will get the full
0:44recording um after after it ends so no
0:48need to worry about that or your
0:51stamina uh we also have enough people in
0:54here that it would be a little chaotic
0:56if we had people unmuting and asking
0:58questions through the lectures so we're
1:00we have times for Q&A uh scattered
1:04throughout the curriculum today and so
1:07if you have a question uh you can either
1:10hold it and wait for that time and
1:11unmute yourself and and ask it then or
1:14if you'd like to you could just put it
1:16in the chat um Melanie and I are going
1:18to take turns presenting and so one of
1:20us will be watching the chat at all
1:23times so if it's a a quick and simple
1:25question we'll just answer it in the
1:27chat um or if it's a longer question
1:30we'll save it uh for the Q&A time so I
1:33will keep an eye on
1:35that uh and I am going to go ahead and
1:39get our presentation
1:45up and share the
1:49screen I will make sure to share this
1:51PowerPoint as well when I send the
1:53recording out so you can look it over
2:02okay let's see this
2:04to full screen here we
2:09go all right y'all are here because you
2:13want to learn about resolving Mell
2:16activation uh and I think Melanie and I
2:19are some of the best people you could
2:20talk to to help understand what this
2:23might look like and what the road to get
2:25there might be so again my name is Jen
2:28Donovan I have a master's degree
2:31actually in mental health therapy uh so
2:34I have a background in trauma therapy
2:37and Trauma recovery um but after my own
2:41experience with massel Activation
2:43Syndrome uh while we believe that
2:46nervous system regulation and mindset is
2:48a really big part of recovery and we're
2:49going to talk a lot more about that this
2:51afternoon um I also realized there was
2:54more to the recovery the mental health
2:56and nervous system regulation practices
2:58alone were not enough for me to recover
3:01so I ended up using a lot of nutrition
3:03and lifestyle practices and ended up
3:05going back to school and I am now also a
3:07nutritional therapy practitioner and a
3:09certified guton psychology syndrome
3:12practitioner and I'm the owner and
3:14Clinical Director at whole body healing
3:16with
3:17Jen would you like to uh introduce
3:20yourself
3:23Melanie hi everyone I'm Melanie I am a
3:27certified health coach and and um my
3:31journey began many years ago I think um
3:36with my education through all of this
3:38with massel I can now clearly look back
3:41and see that I've had hints of issues
3:44for many years but they weren't
3:47affecting me to the degree that it
3:49debilitated me I was able to keep going
3:51and then to and then um over time some
3:55of the things that really started
3:57creeping in were you know food
3:58intolerances and just kept growing and
4:00growing and my food list got smaller and
4:03smaller and um my symptoms kept kind of
4:05creeping in getting worse and worse and
4:09so um that just kind of really led me to
4:13a breaking point where I just my body
4:16kind of just completely broke down and I
4:21was really forced to start looking into
4:24more help which was initially
4:27in by going to my doctor and you know
4:30all the mainstream routes I wasn't
4:33completely satisfied with the answers I
4:35was getting so I started to look around
4:37a little bit more um and that is when I
4:41found Jen and so um I'm very thankful
4:46that I did and I have to say that before
4:50her I was a protocol
4:53Hopper and my nervous system wouldn't
4:57allow me to devote
5:00time to any one given thing and then I
5:04was always second guessing is this
5:05enough time you know so
5:08um when I found her I decided I would
5:11totally do what she said I just commit
5:16and do it and so I did and um I'm
5:21thankful that I did because I'm here so
5:25yeah yeah awesome thank you Melanie yeah
5:29and and let's not forget that uh you
5:32know you initially came to me as a
5:35client doing my protocols uh and all of
5:38that uh but you've gone through six
5:40months of training with me um and so now
5:43you're a coach on staff and then you
5:46also bring your own expertise as the EFT
5:48tapping uh instructor which we'll get to
5:50more this afternoon as well um so I
5:53think Melanie is such a great example of
5:55and and I see this with um a lot of
5:57clients actually is that you know they
5:59start as clients and then maybe they uh
6:01start working for me or they become you
6:04know health coaches or practitioners of
6:05their own this journey can be so
6:07transformative and it can really make
6:09people change what they want to do and
6:11and you know how how they want to be in
6:14the world so um great so uh Melanie and
6:18I are going to go back and forth today
6:21uh in our
6:22presentations so we are going to start
6:25out uh with a section on just really
6:29understanding histamine and mass cell
6:31disorders on a deeper level from our
6:34perspective and framework and so I'm
6:36going to go into that and that's just
6:37going to give you a real overview of
6:40what is actually happening in your body
6:42and that will help you understand why
6:44the approaches we use are so
6:46effective and maybe why some approaches
6:49that are used are not as effective
6:52right so then we're going to have a
6:54little Q&A after each of these sections
6:56we're going to have a little bit of a
6:58Q&A uh and then we will go into Melanie
7:01who's going to be presenting on gut
7:04health and
7:06detoxification as I mentioned before you
7:08know I really would not have been able
7:10to recover personally if I had not uh
7:13been able to really rebalance my gut
7:16microbiome and do some gentle but
7:19consistent detoxification practices uh
7:22gut health and overall toxic load is a
7:25huge Factor when it comes to mcast and
7:27other histamine disorders but of course
7:31we are all here with very sensitive
7:33bodies right that's part of the reality
7:35of these conditions so some of the um
7:38more popular methods of doing this uh
7:41might not work as well for us so Melanie
7:42is really going to talk through how we
7:44approach uh these methods with people
7:47who are very
7:48sensitive then we're going to take a
7:49little bit of a lunch break uh or or
7:52dinner break depending on where you are
7:53in the
7:54world uh and so we'll we'll break and
7:57just give everyone a time to uh rest
7:59their eyes from screens and then we'll
8:01come back after that and we're going to
8:04talk a lot about trauma and nervous
8:06system disregulation so I'm going to
8:08take that session and we're going to
8:09talk about why a history of trauma is so
8:12common when it comes to the development
8:15of mcast and why this is something that
8:17we really need to address it's not
8:19something we can just
8:20ignore um or uh you know pretend didn't
8:24happen you know or override we really do
8:27have to address it but we also have to
8:29address it in a way that is again slow
8:32and gentle for a nervous system that is
8:35probably already overwhelmed and over
8:37stimulated um so I'm going to discuss
8:39that and the TR tension and Trauma
8:42releasing exercises method that we
8:45use and then Melanie is going to take
8:47the last section um and she's going to
8:50talk about how we work to retrain the
8:53brain and uh we use a lot of different
8:55methods for that just going to talk a
8:56bit about the meditation techniques that
8:58we use as well well as the EFT tapping
9:00techniques that we use because again
9:03with these conditions with the trauma
9:05we've experienced we tend to get into
9:07some very stuck in rigid brain patterns
9:10um that we can literally see on EG brain
9:13scans right it's not uh it's not a even
9:16a metaphorical thing we're talking about
9:18here like really actually physically
9:20stuck brain patterns uh and there are
9:22techniques we can use to repattern these
9:24over
9:26time so this is our uh schedule for
9:29today again I'm reiterating you know if
9:32you need to pop in and out if you need
9:34to take breaks you're going to get this
9:35recording you can take your time
9:37reviewing it um so please take care of
9:40yourself
9:44today so you will get lifetime access to
9:47this recording I'm going to put it up as
9:48a video on an enlisted video on YouTube
9:50that you will always be able to go back
9:52to and review when you purchased this
9:55course you also or this master class you
9:57also got access to our our reactionfree
10:00meal plan um so you should have gotten
10:03an email from kajabi which is the
10:04platform we use to host all of our
10:07courses um and there is a meal plan if
10:10you log in and go to uh your library you
10:12should be able to see our reaction free
10:15uh course there and this uh is going to
10:18have a lot of the all all the food lists
10:21and the the protocols that Melanie is
10:24going to be talking about when she's
10:25discussing you know nutrition and
10:27healing the gut so so you are going you
10:30know it's hard when we're just
10:31presenting with a PowerPoint to to go
10:33through all of the nitty-gritty details
10:34we're going to try to get into as much
10:36detail as we can but you're going to
10:37have all of our food
10:39lists all of our general supplement
10:42recommendations um and so again you will
10:43have access to that for life if you know
10:45you're intrigued by what you're hearing
10:47today um but you're like oh my gosh I
10:49can't start this right now maybe I'll
10:51start it in a couple months that's fine
10:52you'll have access to it forever so no
10:54rush no urgency you'll have all the
10:56information you need to learn how to
10:58rebalance your gut with food
10:59with your food sensitivities in
11:02mind we also are launching a new
11:05self-guided course called rebuild your
11:08nervous system um this is new although
11:11you know the techniques in it aren't
11:12necessarily new this will include all of
11:14the trauma relasing exercises the
11:17neuromeditation techniques as well as
11:20the EFT tapping techniques um and some
11:22more bonus content that we just won't
11:24have time to get through today so it
11:25actually is also going to include um a
11:28whole movement protocol call to help
11:30unlock tight fascia um and so this is
11:32another thing you're going to have
11:34access to for Life by signing up for
11:36this master course so you will have the
11:38balance of info of both the nutrition
11:40and the nervous system piece now I do
11:43want to ask for everyone's patience we
11:45have been editing a lot of new videos
11:47and recordings for this rebuild your
11:49nervous system course um my husband Mike
11:52is our video editor and believe me when
11:55I tell you he is this weekend slaving
11:58away at his
11:59computer trying to get all of those
12:02videos finalized and edited so they're
12:04not all quite done and up yet but they
12:06should be within a week or maybe two at
12:08the most so I so appreciate everyone's
12:10patience and Grace with that we were
12:12hoping to have them all up today and
12:13there it's just not going to happen but
12:14he is working as hard as he can and they
12:16will be up there within a week or two
12:18there is already a lot of content up
12:19there already it's just not fully
12:22complete now part of why we are doing
12:24this master class is first of all we
12:26wanted to introduce people to us and to
12:28our methods um help people who maybe
12:30have a lower budget really get as much
12:32access to support that they need um but
12:35Melanie also is one of the coaches for
12:37our six-month immune resilience program
12:41uh it's a really incredible program
12:42we're seeing some really great results
12:44with people there it's very
12:45comprehensive support um and Melanie has
12:47some openings for clients who want to do
12:50that program while working one-on-one
12:52with her um so we'll talk more about
12:55that offer at the end uh but make sure
12:57you do stay tuned until the end so you
12:58hear about that because we only have a
13:00few spots for her before she fills up in
13:05July
13:06okay so let's get into it let's get into
13:11understanding histamine and mass cell
13:13disorders and there's a common
13:16trajectory that we see for people who
13:18may stumble to us eventually we tend to
13:22be like the last house at the end of the
13:24road you know that people come to
13:26unfortunately we're we're trying to
13:28build you know our a audience and Reach
13:29people sooner and sooner and I love it
13:31when I catch people early on in their
13:32Journey because honestly it's it can
13:35healing can be so quick when you when
13:36you catch things early but if you've
13:38been on this road a long time that's
13:40totally okay you are in good company you
13:42can still recover um and it's very
13:45common you know for for things that have
13:47been building for a long time kind of
13:49like Melanie was sharing with her story
13:51so a lot of times you just have this
13:52weird vague list of symptoms right and
13:56they're sometimes hard to describe
13:57they're sometimes hard to expl laain um
14:00they probably don't show up on tests you
14:02know or maybe if they do it's kind of
14:03like yeah these markers are off but
14:05we're not really sure what it
14:07means um however even if the symptoms
14:10are vague they're debilitating like they
14:14seriously impact your quality of life
14:16and because they tend to occur in almost
14:19every organ and every system in the body
14:22it's very hard to get care uh in the
14:26conventional medicine world because our
14:27conventional medicine world is set up
14:30where all our bodily systems and organs
14:33are divided up right there's there is a
14:36lot of incredible medical knowledge out
14:37there and for that reason it makes it
14:40hard for people to look at the whole
14:43body as a whole right and to um oops
14:48sorry skipped um and for people to uh
14:54get this overarching view of what's
14:56going on um people are shuttled off to
15:00Specialists right and that specialist uh
15:03says okay well we're just going to talk
15:05about your neurological symptoms or
15:07we're just going to talk about your
15:08gastrointestinal symptoms right or we're
15:10just going to talk about your sinus
15:12issues or we're just going to talk about
15:13your skin
15:15issues and if you just had one acute
15:19symptom in that area right if literally
15:21your only s symptom was like I have this
15:24weird rash but otherwise I feel great
15:26then yeah maybe going to a dermatologist
15:28would make sense or like I feel awesome
15:30but I'm just like getting some stomach
15:32upset sometimes okay then maybe just
15:34going to a
15:35gastroenterologist you know would would
15:37make sense um but that's just not how
15:41these kinds of conditions actually work
15:43people have all kinds of symptoms in
15:45every eror of the body and they're going
15:46to either end up nowhere or with a list
15:49of like 10 different Specialists they're
15:51seeing and no one is actually giving
15:53them clear answers um so doctors tend to
15:56be stumped or at worst they're very
15:59dismissive um it's very hard to get a
16:02diagnosis of massal Activation
16:04Syndrome um I'll talk about this more in
16:06a little bit but test results are just
16:09very unreliable it's a very new
16:11condition and so we just don't have a
16:12lot of clear criteria for defining it
16:15yet um and again it's it's a systemic
16:18issue so it's not that just one marker
16:20is necessarily
16:22off so we get a lot of people who ask us
16:25like well what if I don't have a
16:26diagnosis can I still come work with you
16:28you know or what do I do if I don't have
16:30a diagnosis how do I know what to do um
16:32and we don't worry about diagnosis at
16:34all there may be reasons to pursue a
16:36diagnosis that I'll share um but uh we
16:39are more interested in listening to the
16:41language of your body which is your
16:44symptoms now what commonly happens is if
16:47you get a really dismissive doctor you
16:50will get a Psychiatry referral and this
16:53can keep people
16:55um really lost for a long time
16:59because Psychiatry tends to imply that
17:01your symptoms are all in your
17:03head right and this is so ironic because
17:09common symptoms of histamine and mass
17:11cell disorders are
17:14Psychiatric so there's this idea we have
17:18that oh if it's psychiatric it's just
17:20mental right but the mental and physical
17:22are completely connected you know we
17:24don't believe we can just like oh
17:26Psychiatry over there you know the brain
17:29it's different it's over there no this
17:31is all together it's all integrated
17:34together and benzo diazines which are
17:37often given when people are presenting
17:40with symptoms of mass because of the
17:42high anxiety states that people tend to
17:44have with these
17:46conditions they actually are mass cell
17:49failers benoi aines have a side effect
17:53of stabilizing mass cells and so
17:55sometimes the benzodiazapines will work
17:59ironically another thing that happens in
18:01Psychiatry and people who have worked in
18:03emergency rooms know this like if you
18:05have a really agitated person you can't
18:07calm down you give them Benadryl right
18:10you give them an
18:12anti-histamine because when we are
18:14inflamed and agitated we have high
18:15levels of histamine in the brain and
18:17benad will often calm you down
18:20mentally um this is another reason why
18:22people will take vadrol to fall asleep
18:24like it's not a coincidence like some
18:26people have insomnia because their
18:27histamine load is high and so they take
18:29padol and then they can sleep so we can
18:32see how there is this Clear Connection
18:34that's happening if people were able to
18:36look at this a little more critically
18:39but they're just taking things at face
18:41value now sometimes people will get uh
18:45access to a uh diagnosis through an
18:49allergist or a mass cell specialist
18:52there are some doctors who are
18:53specializing in this disorder nowadays
18:55um and some allergists are more educated
18:57on these conditions now days and so some
19:00people will be referred to um a
19:02clinician like that and will get a
19:04diagnosis but with a diagnosis generally
19:08you're not actually given any kind of
19:12treatment plan for Recovery You're
19:14simply told let's find a cocktail of
19:17antihistamines and mass cell stabilizers
19:20that keep your symptoms mostly at Bay
19:23and let's figure out the main foods and
19:25environmental factors that trigger you
19:27and avoid those for life
19:29that's the answer which is not an answer
19:32in our
19:37opinion so we tend to work with people
19:40based on symptoms if you're coming to us
19:43with this kind of common presentation we
19:45are happy to work with you we have no um
19:50we have no kind of fixation on any
19:53diagnosis because we know how hard it is
19:55for people to get diagnosed and we
19:57aren't doctors
19:58so we're not billing Insurance we're not
20:01prescribing medications you know and
20:03those are the main reasons why we
20:06actually need a
20:07diagnosis um that's not us and so we are
20:10just willing to listen to your symptoms
20:12and work with you based on symptoms now
20:14this would be a very common presentation
20:17for a mass cell disorder or a histamine
20:20Disorder so not everyone is going to
20:23present in this way so I'll share a few
20:25more other ways that your symptoms might
20:27present um but this is more like the
20:29classic allergic type of symptom
20:32presentation and this is actually copied
20:34from my symptom list in
20:372016 so that's what this is uh and it
20:39just happens to like perfectly overlap
20:42with the common symptoms of massal
20:43Activation Syndrome wild right um so I
20:46had every single one of these uh in 2016
20:49when I was at my sickest and I actually
20:50did manage to get a diagnosis I was very
20:52lucky because I never would have known
20:53what this was at the time it was much
20:55more rare in 2016 um unfortunately it's
20:58much more common now um but in 2016 it
21:01was still very rare and so I would never
21:02have known what tied all these symptoms
21:04together unless I had found an allergist
21:06who recognized it um so it's very common
21:10for people to have circulatory system
21:12issues with the release of histamine
21:14excuse
21:17me so people often will feel short of
21:21breath or they'll have a sensation of
21:23air thirst right we also call this like
21:25cellular hypoxia where technically like
21:28your o oxgen meter if you tested your
21:29oxygen levels you have enough
21:33oxygen but it feels like you're not
21:36getting enough oxygen and so it's
21:38happening more on a cellular
21:39level it's very common to get Tachi
21:42cardia so high heart rate without any
21:44exertion so this would technically be
21:46called sinus tacac cardia where you're
21:49just sitting or lying down um and your
21:51heart is racing uh palpitations or PVCs
21:54are also very common with these
21:56conditions
21:59sorry I choked on my own
22:01saliva
22:04classy
22:07okay uh common allergic symptoms happen
22:10in the skin as well um so if someone's
22:13having an acute allergic reaction right
22:15often you know people ask you in triage
22:18like are you getting a rash are you
22:20getting hives um and this is because
22:22they're you know triaging for a more
22:24serious allergic reaction like
22:25anaphylaxis but with these kinds of
22:27conditions these are often just
22:28happening on a chronic scale right so
22:30just on a daily basis or a weekly basis
22:33you're getting very swollen red blotchy
22:35skin and hives without necessarily a
22:38specific allergic
22:39trigger um again very psychiatric right
22:43so a constant feeling of generalized
22:45anxiety or what we call dread attacks um
22:48people who know no right um it's this
22:52very uh visceral sensation of this
22:54impending sense of Doom that again is a
22:56warning sign of anaphylaxis can just
22:58happen on a chronic level with these
23:01conditions people often struggle with a
23:02lot of fatigue when they're dealing with
23:05um a histamine
23:07attack again common allergic symptoms
23:10like excess mucus excess saliva throat
23:12feeling tight lips getting swollen some
23:15people with these conditions will have
23:17full-blown anaphylaxis those are the
23:19most serious
23:20presentations but not everyone
23:22does anaphylaxis is on a spectrum and so
23:26not everyone will have a full
23:28anaphylactic episode with these
23:30conditions some people just kind of get
23:32these lower level Spectrum anaphylactic
23:34Reactions where it feels very scary and
23:37uncomfortable um but it's not fully
23:42dangerous um hormone issues are very
23:45common with this estrogen and histamine
23:46have a close relationship and so many
23:48people will have symptoms of estrogen
23:50dominance where they will have very
23:52severe PMS symptoms a lot of cramping a
23:55lot of bloating really heavy flow uh
23:58around
23:59ministration uh or on the other extreme
24:01people will sometimes have a menorrhea
24:03when they are very nutrient depleted I
24:05actually had had
24:07both so diarrhea does happen Technically
24:10when you have histamine released in the
24:13gastrointestinal tract um it will often
24:15spur peristalsis and so people might get
24:17diarrhea during an acute
24:19flare but most often I actually see
24:23people chronically constipated um that's
24:25what I struggled with mostly um and
24:29uh this can be a real feedback loop with
24:33sibo or small intestinal bacterial
24:35overgrowth and the histamine issues
24:37right so this is very
24:39common acid reflux and indigestion is
24:42often related to stomach acid release um
24:45at the wrong times that come with
24:47histamine disorders um people often get
24:50uh hot flashes um they will have chronic
24:53sinus congestion um and often seasonal
24:56allergies um very severe more severe
24:59than your average person that includes
25:01the Itchy and watery eyes um brain fog
25:06right um a lot of histamine in the brain
25:08makes us very uh foggy um and not able
25:11to think clearly maybe struggle with
25:12memory um I had really severe reactive
25:15hypoglycemia I see this a lot too um
25:17we'll talk about resolving that a little
25:19later um but uh metabolic issues like
25:23poor metabolic health is very common
25:25with this um headaches and migraines
25:27hist is actually um a common cause of
25:31chronic headaches and migraines I see a
25:33lot of people these issues resolve once
25:35they work with us um I also had quite a
25:38bit of disautonomia symptoms so again we
25:41don't diagnose disautonomia but it is
25:43extremely common for people to have some
25:46type of disautonomia which basically
25:48means autonomic nervous system
25:49disregulation on a chronic level that
25:52cooccur with these issues so people may
25:54be diagnosed with um pots right postural
25:58orthostatic tardia syndrome um or uh
26:01inappropriate sinus tacac cardia um
26:04those kinds of conditions are under the
26:06umbrella of disautonomia and it just
26:09often means that your circulatory system
26:11and your autonomic nervous system are
26:13just not working optimally your nervous
26:15system is not responding appropriately
26:17to the stressors in your environment so
26:19for example you'll stand up and your
26:21blood pressure will drop right that's
26:23the very common thing with pots um so I
26:26really had a hard time standing for a
26:27long time periods of time I would get
26:29very dizzy and feel like I was going to
26:30fate my blood pressure was like 85 over
26:3365 for a couple years it was very very
26:36low um and uh you know I could eat I was
26:41similar to what Melanie was saying where
26:43I could eat about 10 foods when I was at
26:45my worst so very severe food
26:47intolerances so this would be a very
26:49classic presentation of massel and
26:52histamine conditions um that is more of
26:54that um allergic presentation with the
26:56combination of dis anomia symptoms as
26:59well so most people um who have these
27:03conditions or suspect these conditions
27:04are going to really resonate with this
27:06list you don't necessarily have to have
27:08every single symptom on this list but if
27:10just a good amount of these resonate
27:12with you um it's very likely again we
27:14can't formally diagnose anyone but if
27:17you resonate with this list it's very
27:19likely you will do well um working with
27:21our
27:23protocols now there are people who have
27:27a PR primarily neurological or
27:30psychiatric type of these conditions so
27:32I see this less commonly but I see it
27:35enough that I definitely want to bring
27:37it up so for some people the histamine
27:41disorder manifests almost entirely in
27:43the brain or almost entirely in the
27:45nervous system or a little bit of both
27:46so they don't have the common allergic
27:49symptoms like their throat gets tight uh
27:52or they have the rashes you know or they
27:54have the sinus pressure um things like
27:56that so if you don't res resonate with
27:58those but you're still wondering about
28:00this condition it doesn't mean you don't
28:02have it your condition might be
28:04manifesting mostly in the brain or the
28:06nervous system so a classic type of
28:09massel Activation Syndrome that would um
28:12primarily happen in the brain is going
28:14to be um having very intrusive negative
28:17thoughts and sometimes these can be
28:20really disturbing um so these can be
28:23maybe violent images or suicidal images
28:26that just intrusively come into into
28:28your brain and often when I'm working
28:31with someone like we can distinguish
28:32between like true suicidality which is
28:34like the situations in your life you are
28:36feeling like true despair about and
28:38there are there you feel like there is
28:40no Escape but suicide and that would be
28:42more of a true suicidality um however
28:45with this kind of situation it may not
28:48be that objectively the situations in
28:51your life are causing you to feel that
28:54way but you are having unrelenting
28:57intrusive negative thoughts about this
29:00regardless of your life circumstances
29:02right so it's a very physiological cause
29:05for these these thoughts people with
29:08OCD very commonly have high levels of
29:11histamine in the brain um hamine is a
29:15stimulating neurotransmitter it's an
29:17activating neurotransmitter and it can
29:18cause us to get very obsessive and
29:21fixated and so OCD type behaviors can
29:24absolutely be a
29:26result um psychosis delusions paranoia
29:31and
29:32agoraphobia absolutely related to massel
29:35activation in the brain in fact they
29:37commonly find um this in people who have
29:40been diagnosed with schizophrenia and I
29:42truly believe that if we were able to
29:46actually address Mass Cell Activation in
29:49our psychiatric hospitals we would see a
29:52lot of people be able to leave and
29:54recover and live a full life so I think
29:55it's very sad that we are not moving
29:58that direction um with more people in
30:00mental health um and anyone who has had
30:03a really serious Mass cell attack you
30:06know and I mean you can attest to this
30:09like you start feeling absolutely crazy
30:13and you start think you know you start
30:15obsessing over things that may not make
30:18any sense you know like two days later
30:20when you come out of it right you can
30:22get very delusional you can get very
30:24paranoid um and there's a spectrum on
30:27how extreme this can
30:29get um histamine also suppresses our
30:33appetite and so there are people who you
30:36know consistently are eating like 800
30:39calories you know or even less and it's
30:41not because they actually have an
30:44emotional type of an eating disorder
30:46they literally do not have an appetite
30:48and they feel like they have to force
30:50feed thems and nothing sounds good right
30:53and this often gets misdiagnosed with
30:55anorexia but it may actually be a
30:57histamine disorder
30:59um and this includes people who maybe
31:01are eating like 800 calories a day and
31:02they're so overweight right because
31:05histamine tend to also make you puffy
31:07and so some people will be overweight
31:09even though they are eating extremely
31:11low amounts of
31:12calories on the neurological side you
31:15might get uh nerve pain from massal
31:17activation or what I like to call nerve
31:19weirdness right these are some of these
31:21vague symptoms that people will report
31:23that their doctors look at them like
31:24what but just weird Sensations in your
31:27nervous nerves it's not necessarily pain
31:29it's just weird Sensations I used to get
31:31that um that can include like odd
31:33Sensations in the head like whoosing
31:35sounds or a lot of pressure in the head
31:38um buzzing and tingling Sensations and
31:40so for some people these disorders are
31:42going to present more in these ways than
31:44the classic allergic
31:48symptoms so let's talk a little bit more
31:51about
31:52diagnosis histamine intolerance Mass
31:55Cell Activation Syndrome massell
31:57activation disease
31:58and mastocytosis are going to be the
32:00main conditions that may get diagnosed
32:05now they're still trying to figure out
32:07these conditions so there are some
32:10descriptions in medical journals that
32:12are like look at this weird case study I
32:14have that you can find from like the 80s
32:16and the 90s where an allergist was like
32:19what's up with this person I have no
32:21idea what to do with them and when you
32:22look back at their description of their
32:24case study it's like oh they probably
32:26had mcast but it was so rare at the time
32:29it was like look at this anomalous case
32:32study right then we start getting to the
32:35early 2000s and allergists and other
32:38Specialists are trying to get more and
32:39more of these clients and so there
32:42finally is an initial diagnostic
32:44criteria put out in
32:462008 think about that
32:502008 like that is less than 20 years ago
32:54so this is a very new condition
32:58we don't really understand it fully from
33:01a medical
33:02perspective we don't have clear tests
33:06that are reliable to test for it doctors
33:09don't fully know what is going on or
33:11what is causing it
33:14um so they've kind of put these
33:16different categories out there as like
33:19here's some different presentations
33:22right you know so with mass style
33:24Activation Syndrome a lot of times
33:26they'll say well this is where your mass
33:29cells are degranulating and releasing
33:32histamine at too high of a rate right
33:35and with M activation disease or with
33:37mastocytosis often they will say um oh
33:41well you're producing too many mass
33:44cells right like oh with histamine
33:46intolerance which is still debated like
33:48honestly in the medical field if this is
33:50even a thing right um but they'll say
33:52like well you don't have anything going
33:53on with your mass cells you're just not
33:55breaking down histamine fast enough in
33:57your body um so those are kind of the
34:00general ideas and like demarcations
34:02people have but these are all on a
34:04spectrum the point is things in your
34:07immune system are imbalanced and it's
34:10leading to these systemic symptoms so a
34:12lot of clinicians are just not going to
34:14be familiar with it there's a lot of
34:16clinicians that have been taught if it
34:17doesn't show up on a test it's not real
34:20um and so they'll do things like they
34:22will run for example whole blood
34:23histamine I get a lot of people
34:25messaging me saying like well my whole
34:27blood histamine came back low that's
34:30actually really common there's a big
34:32difference between what's happening in
34:33the tissues and what's happening in the
34:34blood and sometimes when histamine is
34:36actually high in the tissues it will
34:38show low in the
34:40blood um so whole blood histamine is not
34:43accurate at all um you can also test
34:46tryptase and this is a
34:48marker that is a molecule that's
34:52released when his what sorry it's a
34:54molecule that's released when mass cells
34:56break down right and so mass cells break
34:58down and they release histamine but they
35:00also release a molecule called tryptase
35:02and so it's like well okay if you're
35:03having mass cells degranulated a really
35:05high rate or you have too many massels
35:07you'll probably have higher levels of
35:08tryptase in your body um and
35:11hypothetically this should be the case
35:13however if you are not acutely in a
35:17flare it may show normal and
35:20realistically who's going to have a mass
35:22cell flare and be like okay I'm going to
35:24drive to the lab right now I mean that's
35:26just not going to happen um so again it
35:29very commonly provides false negatives
35:31you have to be in pretty much a 247
35:33systemic flare to have trip days show up
35:36high and by then like you're often very
35:38far down the road in illness and we want
35:39to intervene much sooner than that um
35:42you can get biopsies um some people will
35:46do biopsies in the bone marrow or do
35:47biopsies in the gut lining to see if
35:50there are higher levels of mass cells
35:52than normal um that might be a more
35:56accurate test at least for the mass Cell
35:58Activation disease and the mastocytosis
36:00where it's like there's too many mass
36:01cells right so that might show up in a
36:04biopsy however it is very hard to get a
36:06doctor who will order these and it
36:08doesn't account for like more of the
36:10mass Cell Activation Syndrome which is
36:11going to be you know maybe you don't
36:13have too many mass cells they're just
36:15releasing a lot more histamine than
36:17would be considered normal so again all
36:20of these tests have their problems um
36:22none of them are particularly
36:25accurate and so let's just be really
36:28clear that diagnosis can be helpful in
36:30some ways we really don't want to disc
36:33ever discourage people from getting
36:35medical care of course um and so for
36:38example if you need more accommodations
36:41for your school or your work um yeah you
36:45do have to have an official note from a
36:48doctor saying that you need those
36:50accommodations and so that would
36:51absolutely be a reason to pursue a
36:55diagnosis for access to life-saving
36:58medications and procedures for example
37:00if you are at risk for anaphylaxis and
37:02you need access to an F pin again
37:06absolutely another valid reason to
37:07pursue a
37:08diagnosis however we really want to
37:11emphasize that getting a diagnosis will
37:15not help you understand why you
37:17developed it in the first place or help
37:20you plan for an optimal recovery it
37:22doesn't tell us anything about that it
37:25just tells us you seem to fit this
37:27common criteria of
37:34symptoms
37:36so this is how we approach these
37:39conditions we always believe that the
37:42body is doing things for a
37:44reason we do not believe that bodies
37:47just malfunction we believe that we are
37:50highly tuned organisms that have been
37:53evolving for millions of years and that
37:56everything that is happening in the body
37:58is for a
37:59reason we also believe that the natural
38:02state of the body is he and of healing
38:05we believe that uh if the body is
38:09supported correctly we will be in a
38:11state of health and
38:13vitality and that if we are hurt or
38:17injured that the body will spontaneously
38:20heal that is what we are literally
38:21designed to do and so if something is a
38:25chronic symptom that means that
38:28something is stuck or imbalanced and by
38:31a chronic symptom we mean lasting longer
38:32than six months right you catch a really
38:36bad flu or cold you know or you break a
38:39leg or step on a thorn like yeah it may
38:42take a few weeks or a few months to
38:43recover from that and your body is
38:45actively healing that whole time but
38:48usually you will recover within about
38:49six
38:51months if something is lasting longer
38:53than 6 months
38:55generally it means something is stuck or
38:58imbalanced something is not allowing
39:01these natural healing mechanisms to
39:03unfold in the body and The Chronic
39:06symptoms that we get so the symptoms
39:08that pop up with those chronic issues
39:10are actually the language of our body
39:12telling us exactly what is stuck and
39:15exactly what is imbalanced so the
39:17language of the body is sensation
39:19unfortunately the body can't just raise
39:22its hand and talk to us and be like hey
39:23this is what's going on in here that
39:25would be really nice right but that's
39:27not how the Body Works instead it gives
39:29us Sensations and those Sensations are
39:31our symptoms and if we can learn the
39:33language of the body then we can figure
39:36out exactly what is stuck and imbalanced
39:38and this is what leads us to
39:44recovery now some people have this
39:47realization they're like okay I don't
39:50want to just suppress my symptoms I
39:51actually want to figure out what's going
39:53on I want to do a root cause approach
39:57right and they'll think of like Google
39:59root cause medicine you know or like
40:01they'll start to figure out like what is
40:02the root cause of this so I'm guessing
40:05probably most of the people here you
40:06know have already gone down that route
40:08to to find us um and this is usually
40:11what leads us to functional medicine and
40:14naturopathic medicine um and this is
40:18such an improvement for people like us
40:20over our Western approach because it
40:22does acknowledge that there is a root
40:24cause approach they are generally more
40:26equipped at understanding and validating
40:29ambiguous symptoms like they're going to
40:31be more used to people coming with you
40:33know more pervasive issues um and they
40:37don't try to divide the body up as much
40:39they do generally try to look at the
40:40body more in a holistic way however we
40:44find that we have a lot of clients that
40:46come to us after going down the
40:48functional medicine or naturopathic
40:51route and these are the problems that
40:53they encounter in those settings and I I
40:56encountered problems in those settings
40:58too um these these same problems um
41:01first of all there is a genetic Destiny
41:04fallacy that is often shared in in these
41:07circles a conventional medicine has this
41:09attitude as well um but it it's often
41:12continued in in functional medicine
41:14unfortunately so often the first thing
41:16they want to do when you go to
41:17functional medicine is well let's test
41:18your genes it's fine I mean we're not
41:22against that by any means um but genes
41:26only show us
41:29potentialities genes only show us a
41:32possibility genes are never Destiny
41:36there is a phenomenon called epigenetics
41:39where our genes are turned up or down or
41:42even on or off depending on our
41:45microbiome balance our toxic load our
41:48nervous system regulation our brain wave
41:50state all of the things we're talking
41:51about today right and so yes people who
41:54have certain genes may be more more
41:57susceptible to developing these
41:59disorders under stress and so you know
42:01almost everyone that comes to us has the
42:04MTHFR mutation like let's just be honest
42:07we almost all have that or CT right um a
42:11lot of people have mutations on their
42:12kit Gene uh which is a big allergic
42:15pathway Gene so yes of course if you
42:18have those genes you're going to be more
42:20likely to develop these conditions when
42:22you are under stress um but we can turn
42:25those stressors off
42:27and then it doesn't mean you're still
42:29going to have those conditions right so
42:32again it's a potentiality it's like if
42:33your body is under stress and not
42:35properly supported what might you
42:37experience that's all it's telling you
42:38so we honestly pretty much never test
42:42genes uh because we just don't see it to
42:45be important like we we see people
42:47recover with all kinds of
42:49genetics and it can feel really like
42:52fatalistic right of like ah I just have
42:54these genes so I guess this is just my
42:56destiny
42:57you know and I I have people come to us
42:59who say you know like well I just don't
43:02detox you know because I have MTHFR and
43:04it's like that is 100% not true um and
43:08that's such a misunderstanding of what
43:09these genetic panels are telling us um
43:12so we we really want to interrupt that
43:16myth we get a lot of these complaints
43:18that it's like well we're going to do
43:20some comprehensive testing with you and
43:22at first that sounds amazing right
43:24because like finally more than just a
43:26basic blood panel like finally test that
43:29may actually show something so it sounds
43:31really good on paper but people I mean I
43:36spent a lot of money on testing when I
43:38was recovering and I have spent a
43:42minuscule amount compared to some of the
43:44people that I get in you know I've had
43:47people who have been sold on 10 2030
43:5250,000 testing packages you know
43:55thinking that finally this will give
43:57them answers and usually what happens is
44:00it's like yep look you have all this gut
44:03dpos oh look you have all this heavy
44:05metal toxicity oh look you have mold
44:07toxicity oh look you have lime you know
44:10oh look you have all these things and
44:11it's like the end right it's like oh
44:16okay like now I feel like my body is
44:19totally broken um and I still don't have
44:21any solutions because usually the only
44:24solutions provided is okay now that you
44:27spent $20,000 on testing here spend
44:29another $10,000 on all these supplements
44:33that's usually what's given as the
44:34solution and it it becomes Western
44:36medicine light right where it's like um
44:39you know instead of giving medications
44:42for symptoms they're just giving
44:44vitamins and herbs for symptoms um which
44:48often are not going to be as harmful or
44:50have as many side effects as
44:51pharmaceutical medication so it's that's
44:53better um but it's still not actually
44:56looking at the the bigger picture or the
44:58deeper root cause right it's just oh you
45:00had all these things come up on this
45:01test here take all these supplements for
45:03that um there tends to be still a
45:06fixation on Quick Fix You Know It hasn't
45:09fully embraced like a a truly holistic
45:12approach to these things um so often
45:15people will be given crash detoxes like
45:18here let's do heavy metal chelation here
45:20you know take this mold detox protocol
45:23you know here do a juicing cleanse for
45:25two weeks um and
45:27that is truly not the solution and it's
45:30so not going to work for people like us
45:33who tend to be very sensitive so I get a
45:37lot of people who do these approaches
45:39and they get worse not better and I
45:42don't mean worse in the sense of like
45:44you know when you go through a detox or
45:47die off you always feel worse for a bit
45:50you know but it's not paced
45:52appropriately so I get people all the
45:55time who have done like these massive
45:57lime protocols or these intensive heavy
46:00metal detox protocols and their body
46:02could not handle it at all and you know
46:06a year later they are still
46:08significantly worse like they totally
46:10crash and so we again we have to really
46:13look at supporting the foundations of
46:16the
46:16health not just cleansing and killing
46:20off you know but actually looking at the
46:22foundations to build that resilience
46:25that's going to allow those spontaneous
46:27healing mechanisms in your body to turn
46:29on and when you're highly sensitive you
46:32have to really Pace things and you have
46:34to work with someone that understands
46:36the importance of pasting and um isn't
46:39going to look at you weird when you're
46:40like I got hives I tried to take this
46:44vitamin or I felt you know we have
46:46strong reactions to things and so we
46:47have to go very
46:52slowly so this kind of summarizes what
46:56uh I'm already sharing
46:57um but the things that you know I wish
47:00worked but generally we don't see work
47:04is taking antihistamines and mass cell
47:05stabilizers they often will suppress our
47:08symptoms for a period of time but they
47:10very often will stop working at some
47:12point or just only take us so far they
47:14usually won't totally eliminate our
47:16symptoms because we haven't addressed
47:17the root cause similarly with taking
47:19supplements very often it's not
47:22addressing the why right so okay you
47:24have disbiosis come up so take this
47:26antimicrobial herb but it's not asking
47:30why do you have that gut disbiosis in
47:32the first place right or here take this
47:35binder because you have heavy metal
47:36toxicity but why is your body
47:39accumulating heavy metals at such a high
47:41rate so we need to go deeper and ask
47:44more why
47:45questions I get a lot of people who are
47:48like I I don't know how to heal my gut I
47:50have already given up gluten and dairy
47:52like I don't know what else I can do and
47:54I think this is just because we don't
47:56have broad education on nutrition in a a
48:01truly holistic manner so you know these
48:05kind of gut healing light protocols
48:07where it's like you know just stop
48:08eating processed food and just stop
48:11eating you know corn and gluten and soy
48:14um they can help like they often will
48:17lower inflammation they often will help
48:20digestive symptoms uh get uh less severe
48:23but they're for people like us they're
48:25just not using usually enough to really
48:29fully rebalance the gut microbiome so
48:31our protocols get much more specific and
48:33much more in
48:34depth we also see a lot of people pursue
48:37low histamine diets and that's great we
48:39use low histamine diets as well because
48:41they do stabilize a lot of people not
48:43every single person with mcast also has
48:45histamine intolerance but most do and so
48:48we usually have people go low histamine
48:51uh just you know by default at first
48:53just to see if we can stabilize the
48:55symptoms a little bit you will do this
48:57and you will get stuck and I see people
48:59so pressed being like I've been low
49:01histamine for a year and I haven't been
49:03able to add back any new foods and they
49:06feel like you know they've been doing
49:07this hard and low histamine is a hard
49:09diet like it it's not convenient it
49:12sucks um and so people will get really
49:15frustrated you know like gosh I've been
49:16doing this super hard diet for like a
49:18year and I I'm not any less
49:20sensitive and it's because low histamine
49:23doesn't heal the deeper root causes it
49:25does not rebalance the gut it does not
49:27refeed nutrient
49:29deficiencies um it's it's not a
49:31cleansing diet you know um and so it can
49:35help but it won't help you
49:38recover and who can relate to this right
49:41staying locked in a fear Loop
49:44researching endlessly spending more and
49:46more money on test protocol hopping like
49:49Melanie was saying trying to figure out
49:52what is wrong with me why is my body
49:54broken why do I keep having
49:57problems so we'll keep talking about
49:59this as we go on but this mindset 100%
50:03needs to shift in order for you to
50:09recover Okay so we've got to rethink the
50:13whole way we're looking at our body the
50:15whole way we're looking at our illness
50:17we have to go back to the basics go back
50:20to the foundations so how do we start
50:22with
50:23that let's look at the science again
50:28mass cells degranulate when they
50:30encounter what they perceive to be a
50:32toxin in your
50:36system want to emphasize the word
50:38perceive and
50:40toxin because this can be
50:44anything literally anything so it could
50:47be what I would call a true toxin like
50:49an objective toxin like heavy metals
50:51pesticides mot toxins from mold um the
50:56toxic met metabolites that things like
50:57parasites and candida and sibo release
51:00into our system but it could also be
51:03excess stress hormones or it could be a
51:06totally inert protein from a food but
51:09you have leaky guts or you have been in
51:12such a state of trauma and fear that
51:16something that is objectively inert your
51:19body is seeing as a threat because it is
51:21hyper Vigilant so we have to look at
51:24this from all levels both from the
51:25immune system and the nervous
51:27system when massel degranulate they
51:30release histamine and this is a primary
51:33cause of your
51:35symptoms remember that a lot of
51:37different things could be happening
51:38under the surface too many mass cells
51:41mass cells degranulating it to high a
51:43rate but we want to reframe
51:48this just the right
51:51amount whatever is
51:54happening however many Mas you have
51:56however fast they are degranulating this
51:58is just the right amount with whatever
52:01your body is perceiving is happening so
52:03we have to learn to trust that what our
52:06body is
52:07doing is on purpose and there's a
52:12reason genetics are never Destiny but
52:14they can determine our temperament and
52:17we tend to see people who are wired to
52:19be more sensitive so let's talk about
52:22that
52:23too usually people who come to us are
52:25already two to four generations into
52:28having chronic conditions right oh yeah
52:30my mom has lupus you know oh yeah my dad
52:33has IBS um you know my grandma had a
52:35thyroid disorder you know these kinds of
52:37things oh you know my grandma was
52:39severely depressed you know my mom had
52:42panic attacks while I was growing
52:44up people can often remember that they
52:46were anxious sensitive and fearful from
52:49the time they were
52:51children right so again people who are
52:53wired to be more sensitive and are going
52:56to have more effects of the stressors
52:59they experiened early in life
53:02right often there's usually multiple
53:05infections and antibiotic use from the
53:07time they are very small maybe an infant
53:09maybe a small trauma um maybe a small
53:12child um there is a long history of
53:15stress and Trauma in their life maybe
53:17they felt a lack of safety and support
53:19growing up or maybe something changed at
53:22some point in their adolescence and
53:24adulthood you know maybe they had a a
53:25good uh life home life early on but
53:28something shifted you know when they
53:30were older and and maybe it was a car
53:32accident or a shock trauma or an assault
53:34but something happened that made them
53:35feel like oh actually the world is not
53:39safe I hate to say it you guys but we
53:42all have the same personality Le most of
53:44us do right I always laugh when I'm
53:46running groups because it's like wow we
53:48all relate to each other so much we tend
53:49to be perfectionist uh we tend to have
53:52that type A personality uh we tend to
53:55really think about things black and
53:56white like we have to do something all
53:58the way or we can't do it at all and we
54:00tend to have a very strong negativity
54:02bias and we'll talk more about this this
54:04afternoon everyone has a negativity bias
54:06to an extent it's actually a function of
54:08our brains just how human brains are
54:10wired um but we tend to have a stronger
54:13negativity bias we're going to be much
54:14more likely to remember and internalize
54:17the bad things that happened to us so
54:20usually this is the buildup right and
54:22then there's a final triggering event
54:24the most common ones I see are a surgery
54:28uh another round of antibiotics uh
54:30getting a virus Co has been a really big
54:32one right or uh taking a medication or
54:35getting a vaccine um sometimes we see
54:37like a shock trauma too like a car
54:39accident um but these are the most
54:41common ones and we get into this
54:44feedback loop right you have symptoms
54:45you're afraid of your symptoms now your
54:47body is in this fear response you can't
54:50heal and your symptoms get worse um and
54:53all of these crash cleanses and you know
54:55trying all these different supplements
54:57you know hopping from protocol to
54:59protocol practitioner to practitioner it
55:01usually actually exacerbates your
55:04symptoms so we don't actually test most
55:07of our clients we have access to testing
55:10if we're really seeing stubborn symptoms
55:12still after six months to a year
55:15sometimes we will test to see if we can
55:17Target things better but most of the
55:19time we don't because we're going to
55:22assume that you're coming to us with
55:24heavy metal toxicity probably with some
55:27amount of MOT toxicity right mot toxin
55:29toxicity and some amount of sibo or
55:32other types of gut dispos we see a lot
55:34of parasites and candida too um because
55:36they come out of people that's all we
55:38know right not necessarily because we're
55:40testing um and you probably have a
55:43trauma history or or history of not you
55:46know being able to overcome you know or
55:48or manage uh the heavy stressors of your
55:51life um so we just kind of assume all
55:53these things are going on when people
55:55come to us um and we just start with the
56:02foundations so our immune system is
56:05working to differentiate ourselves and
56:07other that's really what the function of
56:09our immune system is like are you a
56:11friend or are you a foe um to
56:14distinguish between a stressor that's
56:16going to benefit us right there are
56:18stressors that are beneficial people
56:21live a totally sheltered life they
56:23actually do not have good outcomes um so
56:26some stress is actually beneficial but
56:28then there are toxic stressors stressors
56:30that are just damaging that we don't see
56:32any growth from and our nervous system
56:35is trying to tell the difference between
56:36those
56:37things so our gut and immune system
56:41being balanced and our nervous system
56:43being balanced allows us to make these
56:47um make these differentiations right so
56:49when we start to get imbalanced our
56:51system is less able to accurately make
56:53these distinctions and this is when we
56:55start to develop these
56:59conditions so your body doesn't feel
57:01safe doesn't feel safe in the
57:04world doesn't feel safe with anything
57:06you're eating or
57:08encountering and you don't feel safe in
57:11your body you don't trust your body you
57:14don't understand your body and think
57:16about the state that this leads
57:18to your body is going to shut down
57:22completely because it's not safe out
57:24there and it's not safe in here so what
57:28is the solution there is no solution you
57:30have now backed your body into a corner
57:33and usually we just start zigzagging
57:35back and forth between High agitation
57:37and complete disconnection right so
57:39fight ORF flight and freeze and we just
57:42vacillate between these two things and
57:45when we're vacillating between those two
57:46things we cannot heal we cannot
57:50detoxify so our immune system becomes
57:52both overactive and
57:54underactive we experience both panic and
57:56despair so we have to look at this
57:59pattern holistically and that's what
58:00everything we talk about today is going
58:02to focus on how do we get your body to
58:04feel safe in the world how do we get you
58:06to feel safe in your body and in our
58:08experience we have to do this on every
58:11level we have to rebalance the gut we
58:13have to regulate the nervous system we
58:15have to retrain the
58:21brain so again it's a combination of
58:24addressing microbial hijack and high
58:27toxicity in the body and releasing
58:30trauma and retraining the stress and
58:32brain patterns and so this is why we
58:36have all of our protocols uh addressing
58:39different aspects of the gut brain axis
58:41and that's why we talk about the gut
58:43brain axis a lot because we recognize
58:45how these issues are intimately
58:46connected we cannot talk about the
58:48immune system without talking about the
58:50nervous system we can't talk about the
58:51nervous system without talking about the
58:53immune system we can't talk about the
58:54brain without talking about the gut
58:56we can't talk about these uh digestive
58:58issues without talking about the trauma
59:01and stress we've encountered and vice
59:03versa now the good news is most people
59:06with these issues have a lot of
59:08co-occurring issues I mentioned how
59:09disautonomia is a very uh common
59:12co-occurrence with mcast and other
59:15common co-occurrences are collagen
59:17disorders like EDS uh autoimmune
59:20disorders um and and psychiatric
59:23disorders right all sorts of things tend
59:25to co-occur
59:27uh and so uh these are the root causes
59:30for these issues too right so again we
59:33don't have to just Chase all of our
59:34different symptoms we can look at this
59:37truly holistically and we can address
59:39all these issues at
59:43once
59:45okay let's pause and do a few minutes of
59:53Q&A oh hi Diana
59:57good to see you I'm glad you're
1:00:00here protocol Hopper
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1:00:52first because it's probably there but if
1:00:54you really can't find it and you're
1:00:55having trouble um send her an
1:01:00email faith is asking and talking about
1:01:03symptoms how do you support your cycle I
1:01:05get very short of breath during my cycle
1:01:06and my symptoms are hideen yeah so this
1:01:09is super common Faith you're not alone
1:01:11at all um it's because estrogen and
1:01:14histamine have a very close relationship
1:01:16so uh when estrogen is high histamines
1:01:19will usually also be High um and
1:01:24basically we have techniqu teches just
1:01:26to try to manage your histamine load
1:01:29overall and you can increase those
1:01:32techniques you know during the part of
1:01:33your cycle um and you can also do things
1:01:36to try to release more of the estrogen
1:01:40um so we often recommend that people eat
1:01:42more fibrous veggies uh as they're
1:01:44leading up to their cycle because the
1:01:46fiber does bind to the estrogen and
1:01:48helps to start working it out um so that
1:01:51can be helpful we often sometimes have
1:01:53people take things like calcium de
1:01:54glucarate which which is a supplement
1:01:56that helps to bind to estrogen too and
1:01:58can be really helpful it's usually
1:01:59pretty well tolerated um that can be
1:02:02helpful um but honestly Faith the
1:02:04solution ultimately is to rebalance your
1:02:07gut microbiome um because if we can
1:02:10rebalance your gut microbiome your
1:02:12histamine levels are going to come down
1:02:13because those bacteria that are
1:02:15releasing histamine and causing the the
1:02:17histamine issues um are going to reduce
1:02:20in number and so your histamine symptoms
1:02:22are going to come down and you're not
1:02:23going to have as many symptoms overall
1:02:25you know so even if they increase during
1:02:27your cycle you're not going to notice it
1:02:28as much we usually see hormones as a
1:02:31downstream issue we rarely Target
1:02:33hormones specifically early on because
1:02:37generally hormones rebalance themselves
1:02:39naturally once we're rebalancing the gut
1:02:42so usually three to six months down the
1:02:45road people start seeing Improvement in
1:02:47those symptoms but we just try to manage
1:02:48it as best we can before
1:02:52that Ali is asking do you have special
1:02:55considerations for people who lost their
1:02:58gallbladder I had reflex issues before
1:03:01it was removed but since removed three
1:03:03years ago my issues got worse ah I'm
1:03:06sorry Ally yeah I know it's it just
1:03:08amazes me how flippantly people will
1:03:11just remove an entire
1:03:13organ right but the good news is Ally we
1:03:16get people all the time without a
1:03:17gallbladder you know a lot of people
1:03:19have had that procedure done at this
1:03:20point um and and the good news is that
1:03:24you can still manage without a
1:03:27gallbladder because your liver can take
1:03:29over the function of your gallbladder
1:03:31the problem is is that a lot of people
1:03:33have very congested and weak livers
1:03:36right and this is because Li our liver
1:03:37is our main detox organ and when we have
1:03:39this toxic overload our liver is already
1:03:42overloaded and then if you don't have
1:03:44the gallbladder it has like an extra
1:03:46load of work it has to do so really
1:03:48again um you know the answer is in
1:03:51rebalancing the gut microbiome so that
1:03:54we can lower the toxic load of all the
1:03:58bacteria you get which Melanie is going
1:04:00to be talking about next so this will
1:04:01probably answer a lot of your questions
1:04:03but yeah it's really going to be
1:04:05supporting the liver and rebalancing the
1:04:08gut and uh just allowing your liver more
1:04:10capacity to take over the job of the
1:04:15gallbladder oh jod didn't get didn't
1:04:19find access either that's very weird I
1:04:20will make sure uh to send a follow-up
1:04:23email and maybe Melanie you can do this
1:04:25we can talk later but send an email to
1:04:27everyone who registered making sure they
1:04:29they know where to log into the library
1:04:31yeah so we'll get that sorted you
1:04:35guys Allison if you have sibo and mcast
1:04:38you recommend treating sibo first I've
1:04:40had sibo for two years and I've made my
1:04:41mcast come forward and I'm unsure which
1:04:43is the root cause so sibo always comes
1:04:47first yeah so sibo is a major cause of
1:04:50mcass um and uh that's why we have to
1:04:54address the gut microbiome right because
1:04:57we're not going to resolve your mcast
1:04:59unless we can deal with the sibo so yeah
1:05:01that that is a part of our gut
1:05:03rebuilding
1:05:05protocols Julia if you don't prescribe
1:05:08supplements how do you prescribe an
1:05:09initial diet so we do recommend
1:05:12supplements we don't prescribe
1:05:13medications but we do recommend
1:05:15supplements when appropriate we do have
1:05:17people who are too sensitive to handle
1:05:18any supplements at first and that's
1:05:20totally okay if that's you we we believe
1:05:22supplements are supplemental right so
1:05:25they're great they can be very helpful
1:05:26but they're supplemental they're not the
1:05:28foundation of healing um and we have a
1:05:31couple ways we get you on an initial
1:05:33diet uh if you just sign up for our
1:05:37group classes we have a document on the
1:05:39curriculum that helps you triage which
1:05:41dietary protocol to start with or if you
1:05:43end up working with Melanie uh she will
1:05:45help you pick your initial
1:05:49diet I've been losing weight like crazy
1:05:52with adrenaline dumps I'm in second
1:05:53month postco how do you balance that
1:05:55when you're sensitive to everything yeah
1:05:58it's tough it's tough Julia I I totally
1:06:01feel for you and we get a lot of clients
1:06:03who are in that point where it's like
1:06:05they're underweight but they're so
1:06:06sensitive to foods and you know what do
1:06:09you do and the reality is and and
1:06:12Melanie is going to talk about this when
1:06:13we get to this next session so I don't
1:06:14want to get too far into it but um we
1:06:18have to figure out what is going to
1:06:20address the underlying immune imbalance
1:06:22in terms of your nutrition right so we
1:06:24have to really Target nutrition around
1:06:26rebalancing the gut microbiome and the
1:06:28immune system you know with the foods
1:06:31you can currently tolerate the best and
1:06:33people do not start gaining weight right
1:06:36away I will tell you like that is not
1:06:38what happens and that's okay you can be
1:06:41quite underweight actually before it
1:06:42ever gets dangerous so we have to really
1:06:45let go of that fear and we have to
1:06:46really focus on getting to the
1:06:47underlying causes and get your gut
1:06:50rebalanced enough and your nervous
1:06:51system regulated enough right with the
1:06:53adrenaline dumps we know your nervous
1:06:54system is really on high alert so we
1:06:56have to do both of those things until we
1:06:58can get you tolerating More Foods
1:07:00absorbing your food better and then
1:07:01you'll start to gain that weight
1:07:05back yeah Chris Nexium Chris is asking
1:07:08about uh if Nexium could be contributing
1:07:10to their symptoms but they're having
1:07:12trouble getting off I do not recommend
1:07:14trying to get off Nexium until you're on
1:07:16our dietary plan you will very likely be
1:07:18able to very quickly once you get on our
1:07:20dietary plan but yes that will
1:07:22absolutely exacerbate your symptoms
1:07:26Bonnie yes benzo withdrawal can be a
1:07:29trigger for mcast right because it's a
1:07:31mass cell stabilizer you pull those out
1:07:33um let alone the withdrawal that can
1:07:35come with benzo um so absolutely we see
1:07:38people with that as they triggering
1:07:46event Bonnie is asking
1:07:50why doing D flucan for three weeks
1:07:53triggered her mcast
1:07:55you started up here when you should have
1:07:58started down here right so you had lime
1:08:02mold yeast we need to figure out why
1:08:05your body was so acceptible to that and
1:08:07it's generally a weak and imbalanced
1:08:08immune system so starting up here and
1:08:11trying to kill all of those off before
1:08:13your immune system was strong enough
1:08:15overloaded your immune system so again
1:08:18this is why we start with the
1:08:21foundations I'm sure you still have
1:08:23candida yeah you you can't kill candida
1:08:25with with
1:08:34that uh Jodie yes so jod is asking about
1:08:39the uh esophagal sphincter that doesn't
1:08:42close well that's really tough and that
1:08:45can be a symptom of mass Cell Activation
1:08:47there's a lot of esophageal dysfunction
1:08:49that can happen with that so generally
1:08:52it will improve over time with the diet
1:08:54but I would want to talk to you about
1:08:56switching to more natural methods of um
1:09:00managing those acid reflex symptoms so
1:09:02you're only a few weeks into the diet um
1:09:05it's it's going to take longer than that
1:09:06I'm afraid um so I would just um um I
1:09:11would just stick with it and try to
1:09:13switch to some more natural
1:09:18methods yep Benzel withdrawal can make
1:09:21symptoms get
1:09:22worse okay I want to move on because
1:09:25Melanie is honestly going to answer a
1:09:26lot of these questions in our next
1:09:28session so uh so let's let's move on and
1:09:32we'll have another opportunity for Q&A
1:09:34as soon as Melanie is done with our next
1:09:40session so let me get things up
1:09:47again and I am going to mute
1:09:50myself while Melanie takes over
1:10:14okay so how to heal the gut and detoxify
1:10:18his with with his toin so um the
1:10:22microbiome is an
1:10:23ecosystem there are are fungus there's
1:10:26fungus viruses parasites bacteria and
1:10:30all that stuff lives in there in a
1:10:33healthy balance um I've heard Dr Natasha
1:10:36C Bell McBride refer to it as a
1:10:38beautiful Orchestra all working together
1:10:40and that's what we're made up
1:10:44inside so um you know there's a lot of
1:10:47times that folks want to go in and start
1:10:49you know and Jen kind of touched a
1:10:51little bit on the kill protocols um but
1:10:55with everything ex existing in an
1:10:58ecosystem and ideally living in a
1:11:00healthy balance we don't want to go in
1:11:02there and just bomb everything so
1:11:06um that's why we are very careful about
1:11:09that okay so 70% of our immune system is
1:11:14housed in our gut um our Galt uh gut
1:11:17Associated lymphatic tissue it's
1:11:20modulated by bacterial
1:11:22populations inflammation here leads to
1:11:26imbalance immune function and leaky
1:11:31gut so if this bacteria is all
1:11:34imbalanced then we're going to end up
1:11:36with leaky gut and our immune system is
1:11:38going to go
1:11:39haywire and it's just not a pretty
1:11:44picture these bacteria release chemicals
1:11:48that dock onto receptors in our anic
1:11:51nervous system this influences about 70%
1:11:54of our total system our bacterial
1:11:57balance is the primary modulator of our
1:12:00immune system and nervous
1:12:05system okay Jen
1:12:11next so elimination of starch so with
1:12:16with what we do we like to use um a
1:12:20version of the specific carbohydrate
1:12:22diet the SCD diet uh
1:12:25Jen has synthesized it to be low
1:12:30histamine and what happens is is these
1:12:34um starches will
1:12:37feed the pathogenic bacteria so we
1:12:40prioritize rebalancing the bacterial
1:12:43populations to rebalance the immune
1:12:46system the body usually takes care of
1:12:48the rest so that's another reason we
1:12:50like to start foundationally with
1:12:53nutrition nutrition is always
1:12:57foundational because if our body is
1:12:59finally able to get the proper nut
1:13:01nutrition and it's finally able to um
1:13:05absorb the nutrients that we're T we're
1:13:07taking in through very nutrient dense
1:13:10diet then our body becomes strong enough
1:13:13to naturally on its own take care of
1:13:17some of the back um some of the uh
1:13:19infections and so forth that we have
1:13:21going on in the
1:13:22body
1:13:24so because we are very
1:13:26sensitive um no kill protocols at first
1:13:30we we do not recommend those at first
1:13:33they're too hard on the body and
1:13:35typically uh our detox pathways are
1:13:38already quite blocked or very very slow
1:13:41and if you go in there and do a big kill
1:13:45protocol without understanding how detox
1:13:48Pathways work you're thinking you're
1:13:50helping yourself but instead you're
1:13:53killing off a bunch of bacteria
1:13:56and then that's when th when bacteria
1:13:58die off that creates a lot of toxins
1:14:01then and then not only is your body
1:14:05dealing with with what you're already
1:14:06dealing with it's dealing with an extra
1:14:08load of what you've just killed off and
1:14:11it's like a
1:14:12dam all the stuff is wanting to get out
1:14:16but because your pathways are blocked um
1:14:19they're just recirculating and making
1:14:20you feel
1:14:22worse so as I said we focus on nutrition
1:14:26our ba our bacteria eat what we eat and
1:14:31this is how we modulate their
1:14:34populations so and I spoke about this
1:14:36just a minute ago too the specific
1:14:38carbohydrate diet is most
1:14:41effective in targeting balancing these
1:14:45bacterial
1:14:49populations
1:14:51um and this can be done a low histamine
1:14:54at first lucky for
1:14:57us as bacteria
1:14:59rebalance intolerances lessen and
1:15:02symptoms
1:15:05stabilize okay
1:15:12Jen so the specific carbohydrate
1:15:16diet um all complex carbohydrates
1:15:20starches are
1:15:23eliminated because we have found
1:15:27that carbohydrates feed these bacterial
1:15:31the pathogenic bacteria and that kind of
1:15:33keeps you
1:15:35stuck so lots of folks will come to us
1:15:38and they're one of their safe foods is
1:15:43rice
1:15:44and they are eating it every day but
1:15:48this is feeding that pathogenic bacteria
1:15:51so
1:15:52um this would be a case where though you
1:15:55might only have a few Foods we're going
1:15:58to have to eliminate some of the
1:16:00so-called safe foods because actually
1:16:02they are contributing to your
1:16:05issues so these long chain carbohydrates
1:16:08are not broken down properly when we
1:16:11have weak
1:16:12digestion so then opportunistic bacteria
1:16:16then can kind of take over and because
1:16:18they're feeding on those
1:16:21starches undigested starches then
1:16:24irritate the gut
1:16:27lining eliminating these carbohydrates
1:16:29for a period of time generally 1 to two
1:16:32years can help us progress much faster
1:16:35in our microbiome rebalancing and gut
1:16:37lining repair
1:16:39work and this is why lwh histamine diets
1:16:43which often include rice potatoes
1:16:44oatmeal don't help us recover
1:16:48optimally because all of those things
1:16:51that are your so-called safe foods are
1:16:53actually feeding the p enic
1:16:58stuff
1:17:01okay all right so plants or no
1:17:07plants many non-starchy vegetables and
1:17:10herbs have antihistamine properties and
1:17:13many people do well with higher amounts
1:17:17of these plants teas and juices in the
1:17:20diet things like fennel parsley Ginger
1:17:24broccoli onion Sage Rosemary Etc um so
1:17:30lots of times we will if folks can
1:17:33tolerate it we will have them maybe
1:17:35grate some ginger and put it in tea and
1:17:38in some hot water for just a few minutes
1:17:40and this can really help modulate and
1:17:43help with histamine
1:17:45reactions Jen did very well with things
1:17:49like this um other people are very
1:17:53sensitive to the plant compounds so some
1:17:58of the compounds in plants are like
1:18:00silicates lectins and
1:18:02oxalates these people may benefit from
1:18:05Total elimination of plant compounds for
1:18:08a period of time and this is when we
1:18:10would use our meat only diet the
1:18:12carnivore diet version of the specific
1:18:14carbohydrate diet I happened to fall
1:18:16into that camp uh it didn't matter I I
1:18:21tried tweaking my vegetables I tried
1:18:24just one vegetable here one vegetable
1:18:26there it did not matter what vegetable
1:18:29it was um I had horrible bloating and
1:18:36just very severe digestive um symptoms
1:18:41so ultimately I ended up finding my path
1:18:45with
1:18:46carnivore and I did that for about 10
1:18:48and a half months
1:18:56so stabilizing symptoms first and then
1:19:00we expand so this is really important
1:19:02one of the first things we like to do
1:19:04with folks is get you
1:19:07stabilized so low and antihistamine non
1:19:11starchy plants and meat or carnivore
1:19:15this is where we're headed to help first
1:19:18stabilize with um our
1:19:21Hames so the um um Jen already mentioned
1:19:26that in our program we have several
1:19:29diets that you can kind of triage and
1:19:31look at and see which one might fit you
1:19:35most
1:19:37effectively as I said I ended up going
1:19:40carnivore but not ever and if you and if
1:19:43you don't have to don't do that because
1:19:45we don't prefer restriction but
1:19:47sometimes in order to stabilize we do
1:19:50have to do that this is um one of the
1:19:53cases where um minimizing and and sort
1:19:56of downsizing what we're exposing
1:19:58ourselves to uh in order to expand later
1:20:02is optimal also I would say that because
1:20:06our nervous systems are so really revved
1:20:09up and amped up if our bodies are if
1:20:12we're eating very
1:20:14consistently our bodies know what to
1:20:17expect um we're eating at the same times
1:20:20every day and our bodies don't have a
1:20:22lot of different things to have to
1:20:24digest and break down our nervous system
1:20:27likes that better our bodies then know
1:20:29what to expect so that also helps
1:20:32stabilize your
1:20:34symptoms because you are sending a
1:20:36signal of safety to your
1:20:39body so we would continue this until the
1:20:42first few waves of bacterial die off
1:20:45occur as symptoms stabilize we will add
1:20:48back in therapeutic gut Healing Foods
1:20:51starting with meat stock and home
1:20:53fermented foods
1:20:55um and then these are brought in very
1:20:58slowly until symptoms resolve I can say
1:21:03most of the folks that I I've worked
1:21:05with um we have to start very small with
1:21:08meat stock you know we're we're very
1:21:10often micro toasting our food so when we
1:21:13would start back you know we would maybe
1:21:15take um a little glass of filtered water
1:21:18or even a shot glass and put maybe just
1:21:21a little 1/4 of a teaspoon of the me
1:21:24stock in there because it is very
1:21:27powerful food is medicine and so um that
1:21:34folks can have detox reactions from meat
1:21:38stock because it is so very
1:21:40therapeutic so we often have to kind of
1:21:43hide it in some water or or something
1:21:46like that to um sneak it in and then we
1:21:50can slowly build
1:21:53up um let's see these uh are brought in
1:21:56very slowly until symptoms resolve and
1:21:58the diet then can be expanded as much as
1:22:03your Jen can you scroll up just a
1:22:11pinch I guess my Compu sorry it must
1:22:14look different on your screen so we it's
1:22:17just sharing that we do recommend that
1:22:20people stay within ancestral and Whole
1:22:23Food param amers so we don't necessarily
1:22:27like to tell people yeah go through our
1:22:29program and then you'll be able to eat
1:22:30pizza and Cake whenever you want again
1:22:32right it's it's not so much like that we
1:22:34do want to make sure we're supporting
1:22:37the body long term but within a concept
1:22:40of being Whole Foods based many of our
1:22:43clients are able to expand their diet
1:22:45very widely in the long term once they
1:22:48go through our
1:22:50protocols thank you
1:22:58okay so detoxification
1:23:01support so slow detoxification Pathways
1:23:06plus a high toxic load equal an
1:23:09overburdened immune system and massel
1:23:12Activation Syndrome so Jen kind of
1:23:14already touched on this just a little
1:23:15bit with um
1:23:18MTHFR and you know other genetic
1:23:20mutations and while um we don't like to
1:23:25give give them a whole lot of um
1:23:28attention we do know that they can slow
1:23:31us down a little bit it's not necessary
1:23:34it's not it's not a life sentence like
1:23:36she said it doesn't mean you can't
1:23:38detoxify it just means you're sensitive
1:23:40and you're a bit slower and that's
1:23:43okay so it's a matter of understanding
1:23:48that
1:23:49you're made that way and then as Jen
1:23:53mentioned he in our detox
1:23:57practices so mass cells degranulate when
1:24:00they encounter toxins in the
1:24:03tissues High toxic load is a major root
1:24:07cause of these conditions the toxic load
1:24:10can be endogenously or exogenously
1:24:13produced so um it can this means that it
1:24:17can come from outside our body or be
1:24:21produced inside our body
1:24:27such as with um die off perhaps if you
1:24:31want to you
1:24:35know understand that uh the toxic load
1:24:38can so when you have die off then or if
1:24:41you've got candida and your body is
1:24:44producing things within your within then
1:24:47your body is producing some of these
1:24:49toxins within itself other times we're
1:24:53uh encountering
1:24:54thing toxicity in our environment with
1:24:58um the things that we put on our skin
1:25:00toxic
1:25:01deodorant um uh pesticides and so forth
1:25:06on our
1:25:07Foods things like this so um genetic
1:25:11variants like MTHFR CT are very common
1:25:14as Jen already touched on but they're
1:25:16not life sentences as we've already
1:25:18touched on and they can be properly
1:25:22supported so detoxification support must
1:25:25be done gently and thoughtfully to Pace
1:25:28the adverse reactions to toxins
1:25:30releasing from our
1:25:39tissues all right so detoxification
1:25:42support so we do not use cleanses
1:25:46probiotics antimicrobials or keyers to
1:25:51start
1:25:52they're just too much typically when we
1:25:56get our folks in they are very very sick
1:26:00and um adding cleanses and that will
1:26:03cause you to release um toxins from your
1:26:07body that your your detox Pathways
1:26:09aren't ready for probiotics can do the
1:26:12same um only because the good guys are
1:26:15coming in and kind of slaying out the
1:26:17pathogenic guys and you're going to get
1:26:19a die off um antimicrobials will you
1:26:23know kill off the bad guys as well so we
1:26:27don't recommend those at first so diet
1:26:30and lifestyle shifts alone can cause a
1:26:33die
1:26:33off and this is fascinating it's totally
1:26:37fascinating when folks start our diet
1:26:41and within the the first couple weeks
1:26:43they may feel like blissed out they're
1:26:46like oh my gosh I feel so much better
1:26:49and then as the microbiome starts to
1:26:52shift and some of the pathogenic
1:26:55bacteria start to die off because you're
1:26:57starving it out and some of the die off
1:27:00starts to happen and then they're like
1:27:02oh my goodness what happened I feel like
1:27:05I've been hit by a bus and um that is
1:27:09all very normal so just
1:27:12know um diet and lifestyle is huge for
1:27:17shifting your
1:27:20microbiome like I said food is medicine
1:27:24so we have to pace ourselves because our
1:27:27die off reactions um are going to be
1:27:30pretty big and we don't want to overload
1:27:34them um so we paste them so that our
1:27:38detox Pathways like our where our lymph
1:27:41liver kidneys Etc can keep
1:27:43up gentle supports such as castor oil
1:27:47packs lymphatic massage red light
1:27:50therapy magnesium foot soaks and more
1:27:52are greatly encouraged I have to say I
1:27:55personally love castor oil packs there
1:27:59is something about them um that I feel
1:28:02relaxes me and I feel like it is very it
1:28:09it's good about contributing to poor
1:28:11sleep
1:28:13so I very much advocate for castor oil
1:28:17packs and I would also say lymphatic
1:28:19massage is nice too and dry brushing
1:28:23makes your skin feel feel so nice I'm
1:28:25just adding a little side note
1:28:28here
1:28:30okay okay key
1:28:34takeaways
1:28:37so I spoke on this just a little bit ago
1:28:40Str strategic restriction is necessary
1:28:43to start the rebalancing process and I
1:28:47know I know when you first start and
1:28:50maybe you're one of those folks that are
1:28:52underweight because I was one of those
1:28:54when I first
1:28:55started um I was only about 90 or 95 lbs
1:29:00I was very very ill and when I was
1:29:03looking at the possibility of going
1:29:06carnivore and wondering am I going to
1:29:08lose even more weight I was very
1:29:12scared
1:29:14but interestingly once you um restrict
1:29:21some of what is contributing to your
1:29:24illness your body starts to rebalance
1:29:27and stabilize and eventually you do gain
1:29:30healthy weight it's a little scary at
1:29:32first but don't let that scare you away
1:29:36you will
1:29:38rebalance so just because you don't
1:29:41react to a food does not mean that it's
1:29:45supporting your healing
1:29:48process so this goes back to the rice
1:29:52that I mentioned just a little bit ago
1:29:54you're not reacting to it possibly or
1:29:56seemingly so but it doesn't mean that
1:29:59it's supporting your healing process
1:30:02it's probably
1:30:04contributing and just because you do
1:30:07react to a
1:30:08food doesn't mean that it won't
1:30:10ultimately support your healing process
1:30:13and so this could be referred back to um
1:30:16with the meat stock for instance you
1:30:19know because it is so therapeutic and so
1:30:21healing you may get a detox reaction
1:30:24from it but it doesn't mean that it's
1:30:26not supporting you and it doesn't mean
1:30:28that it's hurting
1:30:31you so the physical root causes of these
1:30:35conditions lie in the micro in m in the
1:30:37microbiome balance gut lining integrity
1:30:41and overall toxic load of the body and
1:30:44these can be addressed and reversed
1:30:47using gentle but effective um approaches
1:31:01questions okay let me take a peek
1:31:07here um
1:31:10Jodie what's the best way to chat about
1:31:12natural methods I've tried a few from
1:31:16natural paths and at the time they
1:31:18didn't help much or long
1:31:20term so yeah this would be a f fantastic
1:31:24opportunity to book a session with
1:31:28myself or a coach to be able to go more
1:31:31in depth about what you have going
1:31:33on um and that's how we could chat more
1:31:37about natural
1:31:39methods yeah and I'll just add Jody you
1:31:42know the few natural methods you've
1:31:44tried from naturopaths were again
1:31:47probably this top down approach right
1:31:50where they were just giving you things
1:31:51to try to suppress your stomach acid
1:31:53without asking why is your stomach acid
1:31:56imbalanced in the first place and so
1:31:58this goes back to everything that
1:32:00Melanie just shared about how we
1:32:02rebalance the gut microbiome you know at
1:32:06the foundation so that all your
1:32:08digestive processes are happening in a
1:32:10more balanced way and if you do that
1:32:12with some of the natural supports you
1:32:14probably will get progress but you can't
1:32:16just pile on the supplements onto that
1:32:18underlying imbalance
1:32:24um Bonnie um you can email me as
1:32:30well yeah everyone I thought on email
1:32:34automatically went out but we'll make
1:32:35sure to email everyone we'll do a group
1:32:37email later with the the link to access
1:32:39the materials
1:32:42yes okay Jody is Veggie broth okay that
1:32:46is made from veggies that are on the
1:32:48okay to eat list in the gut rebuilding
1:32:50diet so yes um so sometimes we do on
1:32:54rare occasion have folks that don't
1:32:56tolerate meat and so we have to start
1:32:59somewhere right
1:33:01Jen yeah yeah absolutely yeah yeah so
1:33:05maybe you can actually go into so yeah
1:33:07we do if someone really is not
1:33:09tolerating meat at all you know we we
1:33:11will still work with you and get you to
1:33:13a place where you can tolerate the
1:33:14animal Foods again but actually maybe
1:33:17you can go do you mind going in a little
1:33:18deeper Melanie into why meat stock is so
1:33:21healing and why we really encourage
1:33:23people to start bringing it in we didn't
1:33:25touch on that too much and maybe even
1:33:27what it is there might not be people
1:33:28here who even know what meat stock is
1:33:30actually okay so there is a difference
1:33:33so I'm maybe a lot of you have heard of
1:33:36um bone broth but bone broth and meat
1:33:40stock are different bone broth is long
1:33:43cooked over many hours and this will
1:33:47build the histamines in there not only
1:33:50that um it is high in
1:33:54uh what's the what's the what's that
1:33:58chemical glutamate yep thank you it's
1:34:01high and glutamate and that can be uh AG
1:34:04agitating to really sensitive folks so
1:34:07we don't recommend bone broth in the
1:34:10beginning maybe later down the road um
1:34:13meat stock is short cooked so in the
1:34:16beginning it's maybe only short cooked
1:34:19for oh honestly when I started I was
1:34:24only able to start with about 30 or 35
1:34:27minutes of something very small I made a
1:34:30very small portion of it but um and that
1:34:33was enough to get me going but I was
1:34:35very quickly able to get up to two to
1:34:38three maybe four at the longest hours
1:34:42but um usually a couple hours is good
1:34:45that way it's short cooked so the
1:34:48histamines are lower but you are still
1:34:52getting um the glycine the um
1:34:59um help me out
1:35:02there cysteine yeah
1:35:05and yes yes that one um so those chem
1:35:12those amino acids are very very
1:35:15therapeutic and they help open up our
1:35:18detox Pathways they are very supportive
1:35:21of our detox Pathways so
1:35:24um meat stock alone short cooked low
1:35:27histamine plus these amazing benefits
1:35:31from the amuno acids that are in
1:35:34them absolutely yeah yeah so really good
1:35:37for opening up the detox Pathways and
1:35:38these are amino acids that are not very
1:35:40high in plant Foods um so you're not
1:35:42going to get it as much from a veggie
1:35:44broth as well as you know we're trying
1:35:45to get some of that uh just collagen in
1:35:49as well you know which is some of those
1:35:51amino acids as well like the proline um
1:35:54and you're just you cannot get collagen
1:35:56from plant sources so that's why we
1:35:57really encourage people to start to
1:35:59bring in the meat stock as their
1:36:01symptoms settle but again not right away
1:36:03you know Melanie talked about all these
1:36:04ways we help you stabilize first then we
1:36:07start to bring that
1:36:09in
1:36:11absolutely um and then Jody's asking is
1:36:13drinking dried nettle tea good for mcast
1:36:16I can't find fresh um that is one of the
1:36:19ones we do allow yes um we don't we
1:36:24don't do a lot of dried herbs at first
1:36:27because you know they're higher in
1:36:28histamine so um we do recommend fresh as
1:36:32much as possible but um dried nettle tea
1:36:36is one we do
1:36:40with um Robin what could explain
1:36:44reacting to any time you eat regardless
1:36:47of what it is yeah
1:36:50so um this so yeah yeah yes this is
1:36:57multifaceted and this goes back to um
1:37:01everything Robin that we've been talking
1:37:03about honestly it it it has to do with
1:37:06the toxicity that you have going on in
1:37:07your body and it has to do with the
1:37:10imbalance in your
1:37:12microbiome but another thing that's
1:37:14greatly overlooked is the nervous system
1:37:19and it could be the most benign thing in
1:37:22the world
1:37:24and you're going to react to it because
1:37:26your nervous
1:37:28system is so reactive and you just don't
1:37:31feel safe and it's not going to matter
1:37:34what it is it doesn't matter what it is
1:37:37it doesn't matter if you ate it
1:37:38yesterday and you didn't react to it you
1:37:40can eat it the next day and you will
1:37:43react it's nervous system
1:37:46disregulation the more calm that we can
1:37:49get the nervous
1:37:50system the better able going to start
1:37:54handling so many more
1:37:58things and then also too while we reduce
1:38:01our detox load or our our our toxic load
1:38:07yeah and and that's exactly it I mean
1:38:08you said it so well it's you know once
1:38:10we have that microbiome imbalance and
1:38:12that leaky gut we're going to have
1:38:14proteins from the food we're eating
1:38:16leaking into the body and our immune
1:38:19system is going to encounter it and say
1:38:20hey you're not supposed to be here and
1:38:22that's what an allergic reaction or
1:38:24intolerance reaction is but then that
1:38:26gets into a feedback loop the more you
1:38:28have that the more scared your ner your
1:38:30immune system and your nervous system is
1:38:31going to be and remember like okay this
1:38:33is how we distinguish friend from foe
1:38:36once that starts to get disregulated and
1:38:37your body is just seeing foes everywhere
1:38:40now you're going to start reacting to
1:38:42everything so you really see what melan
1:38:43is saying about you know how the leaky
1:38:45gut and the gut imbalance and the
1:38:47nervous system disregulation just play
1:38:49into each other until our bodies do not
1:38:51feel safe at all so um we still just
1:38:53have to move forward with the things
1:38:56that you can react to the least that fit
1:38:59the overall parameters of that specific
1:39:01carbohydrate diet so I I joke a lot with
1:39:04people like you got to crawl through the
1:39:05mud for a while like it's just it's just
1:39:09how it is but we we can still get you
1:39:11moving
1:39:13forward yes yeah it requires some
1:39:16courage honestly and that's where a lot
1:39:18of the mindset work and um nervous
1:39:20system regulation will come in there too
1:39:26okay Faith I react to heat and humid
1:39:29humidity immediately walking out outside
1:39:32yeah uh antihistamines barely help yep
1:39:37what do you recommend my vitamin D
1:39:39levels are now going down because I've
1:39:41been avoiding going
1:39:43outside yes so this is very common very
1:39:48common we see this all the time lots of
1:39:51folks can't sit in the Sun or they're
1:39:53gonna pop out with red hives you know so
1:39:57yeah we see a lot of heat
1:39:59intolerance once again it's starting the
1:40:02program it's starting your detoxing
1:40:06starting very gently detoxing out some
1:40:10of these um toxins that are causing some
1:40:13of the reactivity going on it's going to
1:40:16be starting um a
1:40:18stabilizing lwh histamine gut rebuilding
1:40:21diet it's all of the things things that
1:40:23we just talked about all of the things
1:40:26that we just talked about will help
1:40:30that we have to look at this
1:40:32systemically right you know I think just
1:40:35like Melanie is saying you know I wish
1:40:38anti-histamines worked I mean what a
1:40:40what an easy solution that would be but
1:40:41your body is screaming at you right and
1:40:44anytime we're overheated we're going to
1:40:47release histamines in response to heat
1:40:50heat is a major histamine trigger like
1:40:51Melanie was saying this is such a thing
1:40:53that we see and so the solution is not
1:40:55just to avoid being outside all the time
1:40:57right it's like okay well why are your
1:40:58histamines so overloaded that
1:41:01encountering that heat is sending you
1:41:02over the bench and everything Melanie
1:41:05was talking about with rebalancing the
1:41:06gut is going to get to
1:41:10that
1:41:12yeah um and Jen Jody's um just
1:41:16commenting on um yeah her
1:41:20throat yeah yeah Jody you're actually
1:41:22spoton I mean most people with acid
1:41:24reflux it's actually it's disregulation
1:41:27of acid production it's not necessarily
1:41:29acid overload it's either the acid is
1:41:31being produced at the wrong time or
1:41:33there's actually not enough at the right
1:41:34time and the valves not closing so yeah
1:41:37your your spot on jod and again
1:41:39rebalancing that gut microbiome is going
1:41:41to be key to to rebalancing the ability
1:41:43of your stomach cells to produce stomach
1:41:48acid okay so Chris do you recommend
1:41:51stopping antihistamines when you start
1:41:53the protocol so
1:41:57um
1:41:59no in
1:42:01short do we want you on them long term
1:42:05no but
1:42:07um just stopping them is not a good idea
1:42:13so we as Jenna has already said we're
1:42:17very sensitive and so we have to be very
1:42:20gentle and just and
1:42:23because many of us are very typ a and
1:42:25all or nothing and if a little is good A
1:42:28lot's better um or if you decide you're
1:42:31going to do something and you just full
1:42:33bore go at it and our our delicate
1:42:36bodies just can't handle that much um so
1:42:39in keeping with that we would not advise
1:42:43just
1:42:45stopping right
1:42:47away once you're stabilized and then we
1:42:51can start maybe decreasing a little at a
1:42:53time a little at a time a little at a
1:42:56time and then um the other things that
1:42:59we can do also is find out do you
1:43:03tolerate nettle tea do you tolerate
1:43:05ginger tea and we start to bring in some
1:43:08things that are more anti-histamine
1:43:11naturally and at the same time we're
1:43:14reducing so that way you're not just
1:43:16left with nothing and your body's having
1:43:18a freak out so um that's kind of how we
1:43:22would it's very nuanced it's very
1:43:31nuanced
1:43:33okay um
1:43:38Diana how do you know when it's the
1:43:41right time to introduce kefir or the
1:43:45supplements what do you to look for to
1:43:49know when it is time to go to the next
1:43:52step yeah this is a really great
1:43:56question uh so typically I'm looking
1:44:00for
1:44:02stabilization of where like where we
1:44:05currently are I'm looking for
1:44:08stabilization for maybe and I like to I
1:44:12like it to be around a month honestly
1:44:16because we're
1:44:18sensitive so I like to see around that
1:44:22time frame
1:44:23some and then we can talk about what the
1:44:26next steps are um okay for but for
1:44:31kefir let's see
1:44:36here first we bring in our stabilizing
1:44:40um gut rebuilding protocol once we're
1:44:43stabilized what I think around maybe if
1:44:47you're doing well maybe around six weeks
1:44:50or so for the kefir if you're doing well
1:44:54if not some folks can't bring that in
1:44:58for months because that's just how
1:45:00sensitive they are so um it's very very
1:45:06individual and very nuanced and that's
1:45:08why it's really helpful to work with
1:45:10somebody because then we can get more in
1:45:14depth with your
1:45:15personal um symptoms we can follow along
1:45:19very closely with what you're eating um
1:45:22and how stable you are
1:45:25so I would in general say maybe
1:45:29somewhere in the six week to three month
1:45:31range
1:45:34safely um supplement go ahead Jen
1:45:38comment on that oh I I was just gonna
1:45:39say yeah no I mean you said it really
1:45:41well but
1:45:44um Kefir is really an interesting thing
1:45:47and I just wanted to share a little more
1:45:48about that we didn't talk about it super
1:45:50explicitly in the presentation today but
1:45:52kefir is a um it's a fermented drink
1:45:56it's usually made with milk um but it's
1:45:58fermented so there's no lactose in it uh
1:46:01and it has probiotic bacteria and yeast
1:46:04in it so remember we shared like we
1:46:07don't start with probiotics right
1:46:09because they can kill off bad bacteria
1:46:11which is a good thing but for people who
1:46:14are even just making a dietary shift
1:46:16enough things are are changing around
1:46:18already we just want to go really slow
1:46:20and Pace things and so Kefir is like a a
1:46:24mega probiotic right any fermented food
1:46:27is and that's why a lot of people with
1:46:28these issues don't tolerate ferments
1:46:30initially they are high histamine but
1:46:32they also shift a lot of things around
1:46:34in our microbiome you're bringing in a
1:46:36whole Army of new microbes what's
1:46:38interesting about kefir is that the
1:46:40probiotic yeast actually has
1:46:42anti-histamine
1:46:44properties
1:46:46so that's why we tend to prioritize that
1:46:49as a ferment for people we we teach
1:46:51people how to make their own Fe which is
1:46:53going to be better than any store-bought
1:46:55one um and uh this is often what we see
1:47:00allow people to completely resolve their
1:47:02histamine intolerance and like really
1:47:05put their Mel activation into remission
1:47:07so it's kind of ironic because something
1:47:09that is likely going to make you
1:47:10incredibly reactive at first may
1:47:13actually be the thing that heals you
1:47:15right and this is why Melanie was saying
1:47:16earlier like just because you react to
1:47:19something doesn't mean it's not actually
1:47:20going to help you heal so we just have
1:47:22to get you stable enough where you can
1:47:25tolerate a little bit and then we slowly
1:47:28bring it up and I have I mean Melanie
1:47:30was like this too so you can share a
1:47:31little of your story if you'd like
1:47:32Melanie but I have people all the time
1:47:34where it's like yeah they start with
1:47:35like a drop like a lital drop of keeper
1:47:40and then slowly increasing it like
1:47:43within a few months they're drinking
1:47:44like two three four cups a day and like
1:47:47feeling amazing you know and so it it is
1:47:51ultimately the solution it's just matter
1:47:53of getting you there first so Diana yeah
1:47:54it's just about that stabilization like
1:47:57can are you at a place where you can
1:47:59manage your symptoms with just that drop
1:48:01or two of getting started and that's
1:48:03often I would say I agree between six
1:48:05and three months some cases it would be
1:48:07more like six months you know I think
1:48:09for some people but yeah very often in
1:48:11that time range um do you want to say
1:48:13anything about that or the
1:48:15supplements um yeah you know I I
1:48:18remember trying when I brought kefir and
1:48:21Jen and um
1:48:23I I I think I was
1:48:26probably um around four months or so in
1:48:31but I had gone carnivore so that greatly
1:48:34stabilized me so I was able to make a
1:48:36little bit more of a leap and so I was
1:48:39ready to bring that in but oh my gosh I
1:48:41started with I think 1/4 of a
1:48:45teaspoon and it I diluted it in water I
1:48:48had to dilute everything in water just
1:48:50because I was so reactive um but yeah
1:48:54and then at one point I was like Jen I'm
1:48:56drinking like three or four cups of key
1:48:59for a day is this going to kick me out
1:49:01of
1:49:03ketosis I was like what you were doing
1:49:05like a teaspoon last time I talked to
1:49:07you yeah it it's amazing once you start
1:49:09that process it it will snowball in a
1:49:12really beautiful way it's just you it's
1:49:13like crawling through the mud you have
1:49:14to get over these humps at first um and
1:49:17supplements are so individual Diana
1:49:19honestly like there are some people that
1:49:21like we lose very few supplements for if
1:49:23they're very sensitive and things just
1:49:24start resolving on the diet so really
1:49:27we're going to look at Sticky symptoms I
1:49:30think is what I would say you know some
1:49:32people do okay with um some minor
1:49:35supplementation at first and so we have
1:49:37a a general supplement protocol of some
1:49:39nutrients that we often see people
1:49:41deficient in you know that can help
1:49:43stabilize the immune system you know so
1:49:46like zinc you know B1 B6 um magnesium
1:49:51like some of these things can be very
1:49:52stabilizing for the immune system and we
1:49:54usually bring in single nutrients cuz
1:49:56you're less likely to react to that than
1:49:58a big multi you know like a lot of
1:50:00people just take supplements without
1:50:01actually reading the back and so many
1:50:03supplements are just such a mess of so
1:50:06many different things that you likely
1:50:07are not going to do well with so single
1:50:10nutrients uh if you do okay with them
1:50:12you can bring them in from the beginning
1:50:13if you're very sensitive you know again
1:50:15wait until you stabilize and then Target
1:50:17your symptoms your supplements based on
1:50:19your sticky symptoms and and Melanie is
1:50:21going to be great at helping you you
1:50:23know individualize that um
1:50:28yeah and this is Megan's question below
1:50:31that uh is really um right in this line
1:50:36so do you want to clarify that for
1:50:39her so yeah Megan so is it beneficial to
1:50:43eliminate any food that gives you a
1:50:45symptom no matter how small sometimes
1:50:47when I drink meat stock I get an itchy
1:50:49nose but that's it and it's only
1:50:51sometimes there are other Foods that
1:50:52give me very minor reactions too is it
1:50:55best to eliminate or keep consuming
1:50:57because I know it's healing so we're
1:50:59trying
1:51:00to um
1:51:02retach your we're trying to retrain your
1:51:05histamine response so our typical goto
1:51:09is um minor things need to be pushed
1:51:14through because we are literally
1:51:16retraining your histamine response and
1:51:21having these little EXP exposures even
1:51:23if it's giving you some minor
1:51:25uncomfortable symptoms um will have to
1:51:28be pushed through so that your body
1:51:30acclimate re
1:51:32acclimates and uh learns to deal with it
1:51:35appropriately so we would just tell you
1:51:38to keep pushing through now the the the
1:51:42caveat here would be if you're having
1:51:44anaphylaxis that's a severe reaction and
1:51:47we do not push through that but um if
1:51:50you've got about a fatigue and have to
1:51:52go lie down for at 30 minutes while it
1:51:55passes or um you've got itchy places or
1:52:00you know the things that you mentioned
1:52:02then those are probably pushable and we
1:52:06would push through those and eventually
1:52:08the beauty is um as you keep pushing
1:52:11through your body does re acclimate and
1:52:14you stop having these symptoms so it's
1:52:17just about retraining
1:52:22Robin do you include the bones when
1:52:25making the meat stock actually yes um I
1:52:30I did a whole chicken I I would just get
1:52:33a whole chicken and put it in a big
1:52:35stock pot with filtered water we have
1:52:37instructions on how to make meat stock
1:52:41um but what's really nice about if you
1:52:46do like a whole chicken or um you're
1:52:48going to want cuts of meat that have the
1:52:50connective tissue and the collagenous
1:52:53material still attached to uh the the
1:52:58meat right because as it's simmering the
1:53:02nutrients from those are going to leech
1:53:05into the meat stock and that is going to
1:53:08be what helps you um retrain your immune
1:53:15system it's going to help with those
1:53:16detox Pathways um it's just going to be
1:53:19so nutrient so yeah we do include the
1:53:21meat when doing the meat stock yes
1:53:28yes Bonnie has a question about CFS and
1:53:31the simple
1:53:33carbohydrates um so so Bonnie and I'll
1:53:36just share a little and then Melanie if
1:53:38you want to add to this I'd love to hear
1:53:39your take too um Bonnie if you have
1:53:43severe CFS here's the problem you are
1:53:47not making energy from simple
1:53:50carbohydrates right if you were you
1:53:53wouldn't have
1:53:54CFS right so many people with CFS have
1:53:58never actually been in ketosis you have
1:54:02a broken metabolism on the level of the
1:54:06mitochondria right and so you're not
1:54:09actually making energy from
1:54:10carbohydrates otherwise you wouldn't
1:54:12have CFS people who can make energy from
1:54:14carbohydrates they have tons of energy
1:54:16they feel great right so the issue is
1:54:18you actually do have a broken metabolism
1:54:21you're not making energy from
1:54:22carbohydrates but your body doesn't know
1:54:24how to go into a fat burning State
1:54:27either because of long-term metabolic
1:54:29dysfunction most of us have been raised
1:54:32on very high carbohydrate diets we've
1:54:34never had the opportunity to actually be
1:54:37in a fat burning State because we can
1:54:38make energy from fat too and so many
1:54:41people don't know enough about ketosis
1:54:45and macronutrients and Metabolism to
1:54:48know actually how to transition from
1:54:51carbohydrate burning into fat
1:54:54burning and so what they'll do is
1:54:56they'll cut the carbohydrates but they
1:54:58will not actually adjust their
1:55:00macronutrient macronutrient intake
1:55:03enough to allow their body to revert to
1:55:07a fat burning system and that is
1:55:10actually the solution for most chronic
1:55:11fatigue is to get into a ketogenic State
1:55:14and a truly ketogenic State I am not
1:55:15talking about Googling like keto for
1:55:17weight loss diets that is not what I'm
1:55:19talking about right this is actually
1:55:20therapeutic ketosis that has been used
1:55:23for neurological disorders and I would C
1:55:25CFS a neurological and a metabolic
1:55:27disorder you know for many years so this
1:55:29would be a great reason to work with a
1:55:31coach to make sure you actually doing
1:55:33your macronutrients correctly and I will
1:55:36say I probably wouldn't take someone
1:55:38with severe CFS from a high carbohydrate
1:55:40diet straight into ketosis because you
1:55:42are going to be miserable right this is
1:55:43like this pacing detox reaction that
1:55:46melan has been talking about we need to
1:55:47Pace that very carefully and so we do a
1:55:51lot of slow transitioning with people um
1:55:55so that would probably be most
1:55:56appropriate for you Bonnie um do you
1:55:59want to share more about that
1:56:01Melanie I mean I can just share about my
1:56:04personal story with that so I mean I
1:56:07suffered with chronic fatigue and
1:56:10neurological um issues and metabolic
1:56:13dysfunction and all that and um when
1:56:17jened suggested you know therapeutic
1:56:20ketosis I wasn't super excited I have to
1:56:23be I wasn't super excited about it but I
1:56:28was like okay fine so um I ordered the
1:56:32keto Mojo and I tested my blood ketones
1:56:35every
1:56:36morning um and I thought I would never I
1:56:41was always the Carby Girl I liked bread
1:56:44I liked sweets I was very similar to you
1:56:48whenever I would try to get away from
1:56:49too many carbs then I would just not
1:56:51feel well at all
1:56:53um but then I I had gotten so sick I had
1:56:56eliminated so much and then I was
1:56:58already
1:56:59carnivore so anyway um but I was eating
1:57:03very high protein at first and so then
1:57:06when Jen mentioned ketosis and upping my
1:57:08fat and lowering my uh meat and I was
1:57:11like oh my gosh you know I'm going to
1:57:15have to eat a bunch of fat and get rid
1:57:17of the meat that I've been like I don't
1:57:20know it's kind of like my
1:57:23um um security blanket or something um
1:57:27yeah so I did not I I just wasn't so
1:57:31confident that my body was going to be
1:57:32able to switch and I remember telling
1:57:36Jen I feel like I'm starving to death
1:57:40you know I wasn't it was not the most
1:57:42Pleasant transition but once my body
1:57:46switched into ketosis and I was able to
1:57:50utilize my body finally learned learned
1:57:52how to start using fat I felt so much
1:57:55better my neurological symptoms um
1:57:59cleared up greatly um and uh I I I
1:58:04gained healthy weight and I was I I just
1:58:07felt overall so much better so it may
1:58:10not be the most pleasant experience
1:58:13getting switched as you're mentioning
1:58:15you know I see that you just you said
1:58:16that you just don't feel well at all uh
1:58:19I can relate to that very much but it
1:58:22can be done and I totally agree 100%
1:58:26with what Jen said about you know going
1:58:29very very slow in order to get
1:58:32there yeah I want to try to get through
1:58:35the rest of these comments quickly so we
1:58:37can give everyone a nice break um so
1:58:39Megan you know I'll just summarize that
1:58:41yeah if if you're tolerating these
1:58:43things the the probiotics and the
1:58:45massell stabilizing herbs and stuff um
1:58:48yeah to totally fine to keep going so we
1:58:51all message is just you know don't
1:58:53overload your body go slow but we do
1:58:57have to push through minor symptoms you
1:58:59know like we cannot heal we cannot
1:59:02recover without some amount of symptom
1:59:04flaring um and so yeah it's just a
1:59:07matter of of pacing it you know um so
1:59:09that's
1:59:12fine uh Diana one year of carnivore and
1:59:15still having methane sibo yeah so um
1:59:18there's a lot of reasons why people can
1:59:20have sibo so that's why we have this
1:59:22very overarching approach right so yes
1:59:24sibo can be from imbalance in the immune
1:59:28system right and and carnivore can be a
1:59:30great intervention for that but
1:59:32sometimes we actually need immune
1:59:33modulating nutrients for that so I don't
1:59:36usually have people on Carnivore for
1:59:37more than a year usually if someone
1:59:40hasn't stabilized within a year on
1:59:42Carnivore like there's something missing
1:59:44and that might not be what's what's
1:59:46right for you um and uh and I would want
1:59:49to make sure that it's been like fully
1:59:51one year of carnivore because you know
1:59:53if you go off plan it doesn't count as
1:59:56being one year on Carnivore you know and
1:59:57a lot of people will kind of go on and
1:59:59off um so so that that is something to
2:00:02consider too but also sibo has a lot to
2:00:05do with the nervous system actually um
2:00:08like sio forms when we have poor vagal
2:00:11tone right when our nervous system is
2:00:14not actually um allowing that
2:00:17peristalsis and that movement through
2:00:19the digestive tract in an optimal way
2:00:21and things are kind of getting stuck and
2:00:23stagnant you know and so vagal toning
2:00:26looking for neuropathy of the inic
2:00:29nervous system right um nervous system
2:00:32regulation you know looking at mindset
2:00:34all of these things are important for it
2:00:36too so yeah unfortunately diet isn't
2:00:38everything there's more
2:00:43to uh Bonnie we can't give you a
2:00:45specific recommendation on this master
2:00:47class if you work with uh Melanie should
2:00:49be able to look over your labs and give
2:00:50you a specific recommendation
2:00:55uh Chris we do have a basic exercise
2:00:58program that we use we don't want to
2:00:59lose muscle tone as much as possible we
2:01:01do want to strengthen key muscles in the
2:01:04body um but yeah high high heavy
2:01:07exercise actually increases histamine so
2:01:09I'm not surprised it's giving you a
2:01:13migraine oh Diana do you see this
2:01:16Melanie I will get to stabilization and
2:01:18then go overboard and then go off the
2:01:19diet and then I crash and feel like I
2:01:21need to start over you want to speak to
2:01:22this because I feel like you can really
2:01:24relate and have some words of wisdom for
2:01:26Diana yeah yeah so um yeah this is a
2:01:31mindset thing um it's it's so easy to be
2:01:35like yes I I've made it I've
2:01:38arrived and then um you go overboard and
2:01:42off the diet and then you crash yeah
2:01:46um yes and you probably will have to
2:01:48start over um but you'll probably make
2:01:51quick progress
2:01:52but yeah I mean it's this is a mindset
2:01:55thing you just have to like get in your
2:01:58mind you're committing to this for like
2:02:01two years just give it two
2:02:03years
2:02:05and just give it time yeah but don't
2:02:08beat yourself up though because honestly
2:02:11it's it's it's a it's a long road and
2:02:13that's why it's um it's nice to have a
2:02:16coach and a community around you
2:02:18cheering you on
2:02:23yeah yeah I I feel you Diana yeah we've
2:02:26all been there you know and it is just a
2:02:28matter of working on those patterns you
2:02:30know like Melanie was saying um but but
2:02:33I would agree with Melanie that usually
2:02:35if you've made some progress even if you
2:02:37overload yourself I mean you know you
2:02:40may have to kind of go back to step one
2:02:42but I wouldn't say it's necessarily like
2:02:43starting over because usually your body
2:02:46will build resilience and get back to
2:02:48where you were faster you know if you've
2:02:50made some progress initially so I I try
2:02:52not to get people stuck on like oh I'm
2:02:54totally starting over it's like no
2:02:55you're in a new you're in a different
2:02:57place than you were but we may have to
2:02:59go back a couple steps and and start
2:03:02again um Savannah we actually really
2:03:05encourage people to do
2:03:07DIY uh cleaning and hygiene products um
2:03:11you can very cheaply make almost any
2:03:15cleaning and hygiene product with a mix
2:03:18of you know a tolerated fat whether it's
2:03:20like beef Tallow or or olive oil um or
2:03:23something like that uh you know some
2:03:26baking soda vinegar B acid you know like
2:03:31honestly a combination of those
2:03:32ingredients you can make almost anything
2:03:35uh that you need for cleanliness uh both
2:03:37personal and and and home so we do
2:03:39encourage people to get very very
2:03:41crunchy uh you know for a bit while
2:03:44they're healing it really does
2:03:47help oh Megan has a question about uh
2:03:51fruit
2:03:53fruits um and our our stance on fruits
2:03:56do you want to share that so um lots of
2:04:00times in the beginning we prefer to
2:04:04restrict fruit for a little bit um just
2:04:08until you get a little further down the
2:04:10healing path just
2:04:12because
2:04:14um
2:04:16it even though there are safer fruits
2:04:19it's it's just nice to not have those
2:04:22contributing to feeding any um overgrown
2:04:25bacteria so um just in the beginning we
2:04:29do like to just restrict
2:04:32those yeah yeah and it's it's not I mean
2:04:36they are allowed on the specific
2:04:37carbohydrate diet so we often do we
2:04:40start some people off still eating fruit
2:04:42especially if we're transitioning them
2:04:44slowly but you know they we do find you
2:04:48know even though technically they're
2:04:49allowed on the specific carbohydrate
2:04:51diet I don't know about you Milan but I
2:04:53see all the time once our clients take
2:04:55the fruit out for a period of time they
2:04:58have so much so many organisms come out
2:05:01of their body they they really does
2:05:04shift the microbiome um so uh for a
2:05:08period of time um but generally we add
2:05:10those back in sooner than the starchy
2:05:12Foods because they don't seem to be as
2:05:14um as detrimental to the microbiome was
2:05:17saying yeah I found that with Brooklyn
2:05:20my daughter when we pulled
2:05:22hold the last bit of
2:05:25fruit Bonnie asking about ocular
2:05:28neuropathy and ocular migraines um yeah
2:05:32I mean you can actually develop
2:05:33neuropathy anywhere you know that's uh
2:05:36that's why I was saying like sibo often
2:05:37has to do with um inic nervous system
2:05:40neuropathy like neuropathy in the gut
2:05:42lining um and so yeah most neuropathy
2:05:46can resolve um so most of our peripheral
2:05:50nervous system the tissue can regenerate
2:05:53and even in our central nervous system
2:05:55even if we can't always reverse damage
2:05:58that is there if we can strengthen our
2:06:02ability of our nervous system often it
2:06:05will basically bypass damage so this is
2:06:08why you sometimes see people with even
2:06:10things like Ms or ALS which supposedly
2:06:12are irreversible right but you will see
2:06:14people's symptoms improve when they do
2:06:16this work very often and it's not that
2:06:19the damage in the central nervous system
2:06:20is reversed say but the body is able to
2:06:23find ways to bypass the damage and they
2:06:25can do better functioning so I mean if
2:06:27you have these kinds of neurological
2:06:29symptoms in suspect neuropathy like the
2:06:31sooner you can get on top of it the
2:06:32better absolutely um but I do believe
2:06:35you can
2:06:39recover Robin yes that's exactly it uh
2:06:42if you have mcast you've got got
2:06:43disbiosis you know like there's just
2:06:46there's no way around that that's just
2:06:47how this this works so yeah we we don't
2:06:49need to test
2:06:55uh Bonnie we do sometimes use colostrum
2:06:59um we would want to wait until you're a
2:07:00little more
2:07:04stable um
2:07:08Jodie yeah cysts and lumps are basically
2:07:11your body trying to protect you from a
2:07:12toxin so it's very common for people's
2:07:15their cysts and lumps to disappear while
2:07:18they're going through these protocols
2:07:20but also sometimes they can form
2:07:21temporarily and then go away right if
2:07:23your body is detoxing very fast
2:07:25sometimes the body will try to protect
2:07:26you by forming a a
2:07:32cyst Bonnie carnivore doesn't create bad
2:07:35bacteria I don't know who is saying
2:07:38that um now if you are on an extremely
2:07:42limited diet for years at a time yes you
2:07:45can cause further imbalance so we don't
2:07:47recommend extremely restrictive diets
2:07:49for years at a time they're short-term
2:07:59interventions dizziness and nausea uh
2:08:02very common with these issues again
2:08:04there's almost always disregulation in
2:08:05the autonomic nervous system and so if
2:08:07you are having an adrenaline dump or you
2:08:09are um going into a bit of a flight or
2:08:12fight response you're going to feel
2:08:13dizzy and
2:08:16laded and Robin no we actually don't see
2:08:18that uh cutting out the the comp
2:08:21carbohydrates does not seem to starve
2:08:23out good bacteria it can survive uh much
2:08:25longer without that fuel and much of it
2:08:28can also feed on things like amino acids
2:08:31and protein um however this is why
2:08:34unless you are a very extreme case we
2:08:36don't necessarily recommend never eating
2:08:39starches again um you know I have been
2:08:41fully recovered for many years now so I
2:08:44eat starch you know now but my symptoms
2:08:46don't come back right because I have
2:08:48rebalanced and now when I eat starch
2:08:50it's feeding that balance and so I don't
2:08:52have my symptoms come back um but this
2:08:54is why we need to cut it out for a
2:08:56period of time so we can rebalance and
2:08:58then you can feed that balance and and
2:09:00this is why we bring in the ferments too
2:09:02eventually to help bring in more of the
2:09:04good really great questions oh my
2:09:07goodness uh yeah people are really
2:09:09delving into the topic so what we'll do
2:09:12is we will pause for an hour for lunch
2:09:15we're a little past 1 so I guess we'll
2:09:17make lunch 50 minutes because I want to
2:09:19make sure we are back on right at to so
2:09:21we don't get too behind um so I am going
2:09:24to uh turn off my camera but I will keep
2:09:28uh the room open um so you're welcome to
2:09:31just uh keep the room open uh as well or
2:09:34if you want to rejoin uh at 2 o'clock
2:09:36Pacific sorry guys uh you can do that as
2:09:40well um and uh we're going to start back
2:09:43with our trauma release
2:09:46module okay have a good uh break you
2:09:49guys see you in a bit
2:10:20e
2:10:50e
2:11:20e e
2:12:06all right welcome back
2:12:09everyone let's go ahead and get started
2:12:12I hope everyone had a good break got
2:12:16their eyes away from screens for a
2:12:18moment
2:12:21okay so uh yeah I just want to reiterate
2:12:25I I loving all the participation such
2:12:27good questions people are asking I can
2:12:29tell there's a mix of people who are you
2:12:31know already somewhat knowledgeable
2:12:33about those things and some people who
2:12:34maybe this is a really new way of
2:12:36thinking about things so um yeah please
2:12:38don't feel um shy to ask questions
2:12:42really like there's no silly questions I
2:12:44mean me and Melanie both came from a
2:12:46place where this kind of information was
2:12:48very new to us at one point too you know
2:12:51so it's it's okay there's it can be a
2:12:52learning curve and we want really want
2:12:54to make sure you leave here with a good
2:12:56foundational understanding so I
2:12:58encourage you to keep putting your
2:13:00questions in the chat uh and after we
2:13:04have two sessions this
2:13:06afternoon uh and we will do a short Q&A
2:13:10after each of those sections um so in
2:13:13the morning section we really focused a
2:13:16bit more on you know the the
2:13:19physiological aspects of the these
2:13:21conditions so we talked a bit about the
2:13:23nuts and bolts of the symptoms um and
2:13:26what is going on in the body and the
2:13:27nervous system uh Mel talked quite a bit
2:13:30about what we need to do to rebalance
2:13:33the gut microbiome and to start
2:13:35detoxifying our body slowly and gently
2:13:39um and so although these things are of
2:13:41course all connected uh it can be
2:13:43helpful to you know kind of Target what
2:13:45we're talking about as we go along um
2:13:48and so this afternoon we're going to set
2:13:51aside uh some of the the gut and the
2:13:54toxicity discussion and we're going to
2:13:56move more into the brain and the nervous
2:13:59system um although again in reality we
2:14:02can't really divide those it's just an
2:14:03easy way to divide it up and and talk
2:14:05about it so uh I'm going to start us off
2:14:08and uh yeah let's get get
2:14:12going share my screen
2:14:28hey
2:14:30so the roots of mcass in
2:14:35trauma and you know this
2:14:40section this is something that I've kind
2:14:43of come full circle around I guess I'll
2:14:45just share so I mentioned at the
2:14:47beginning how um you know when I was
2:14:50very ill when I got sick I was already a
2:14:52mental health therapist I already had my
2:14:53Master's Degree I was working towards my
2:14:55license and eventually got my license um
2:14:58and I was a trauma specialist um so my
2:15:02specialty uh in my mental health
2:15:05practice was nervous system regulation
2:15:07and helping people learn to regulate
2:15:10their nervous system through somatic
2:15:12tools and through a broader
2:15:13understanding of their nervous system
2:15:15responses and I had a lot of people come
2:15:17to me with complex trauma um who had
2:15:20undergone very extreme stressors or or
2:15:22adverse experiences um and had developed
2:15:25a lot of anxiety and nervous system
2:15:27disregulation as a as a result with that
2:15:30um and and I also you know struggled
2:15:32quite a bit with nervous system
2:15:33disregulation and anxiety you know my
2:15:35whole life I always was identified as
2:15:37someone who ran anxious you know and so
2:15:40you know we tend to go into things that
2:15:42we feel like we need ourselves right and
2:15:45so there is definitely an overlap there
2:15:46so I was all about the drama recovery
2:15:49stuff uh I was was all about the nervous
2:15:51system regulation I it was very well
2:15:54known um my prior practice very well
2:15:56known in the town I was from and uh
2:16:00that's why when I got sick and the
2:16:02things that I was doing for nervous
2:16:04system regulation were not
2:16:07working it really scared me because
2:16:10that's what I knew right I knew how to
2:16:12help people feel better through these
2:16:14tools um and so I had to go into
2:16:17understanding the nutrition and
2:16:19understanding the toxicity um because
2:16:21that was where I didn't know anything
2:16:23you know I had a very surface
2:16:26understanding of nutrition and gut
2:16:27health and and things like that um and
2:16:30so that was like the big missing piece
2:16:32for me and so of course I you know
2:16:36recovered and I was like oh my gosh like
2:16:38this is the missing piece for so many
2:16:40people and so then I went back and I got
2:16:42my certifications for nutrition and for
2:16:44gut
2:16:45health and you know started working
2:16:47primarily on nutrition with clients
2:16:49right I really shifted my career started
2:16:52doing more Health coaching and you know
2:16:55seing great results you know and a lot
2:16:57of my clients but then I started hitting
2:16:59a wall with certain clients and certain
2:17:02people and I realized that it was the
2:17:05clients who had come to this from the
2:17:08angle of nutrition from the angle of
2:17:12toxicity who didn't have the nervous
2:17:14system regulation tools who didn't have
2:17:17an understanding of how trauma was
2:17:19affecting their nervous system and those
2:17:21were the ones that I was having trouble
2:17:23making progress with and I realized oh
2:17:26my gosh like it's both it takes both it
2:17:30takes the gut and the brain working
2:17:33together you can't always just do
2:17:36one and because I had come from a place
2:17:39where I was already so knowledgeable
2:17:40about the nervous system and about
2:17:42trauma like that piece was already in
2:17:43place for me and I think part of the
2:17:46reason I made as much progress in the I
2:17:48mean it took me two years to recover but
2:17:50still I considering how sick I was I
2:17:52feel like that's pretty good um part of
2:17:55the reason I think I was able to recover
2:17:56so completely is because I was doing all
2:17:58the nervous system work I was doing all
2:18:00the trauma release while I was adjusting
2:18:02my diet and going through all the die
2:18:04off you know these reactions that
2:18:06Melanie was talking about um and so I
2:18:08was able to really get through it with a
2:18:10really positive mindset for the most
2:18:12part um we we all have our days right
2:18:15but for the most part I was able to do
2:18:16it with this very very positive mindset
2:18:18and I realized that people who are
2:18:20coming to me who didn't know anything
2:18:22about the nervous system who hadn't
2:18:24really addressed their trauma or maybe
2:18:26just done that work very surfacy like oh
2:18:28yeah I know stress is bad for me I try
2:18:29to manage my stress you know but they're
2:18:31not really doing the deeper work um they
2:18:33could do everything perfect with the
2:18:35diet right they would be doing the same
2:18:38protocol as so many of my clients who
2:18:39recovered so well but if they didn't
2:18:41have that nervous system regulation in
2:18:44place they weren't making as much
2:18:46progress so that's when I started coming
2:18:49for Full Circle and saying like okay
2:18:51well nutrition was a missing piece for
2:18:53me and I had to really expand my field
2:18:54of knowledge to recover but for other
2:18:57people this is the missing
2:19:00piece right and so I started bringing
2:19:02these practices back into my programs um
2:19:06and started seeing better results again
2:19:08right we were looking at the whole
2:19:10system
2:19:11together so I just wanted to share a
2:19:14little background on why our programs
2:19:16now not only emphasize the nutrition
2:19:18Peach and do a lot piece and and
2:19:21emphasize a lot of the uh nuances on
2:19:25getting your gut healthy using nutrition
2:19:27therapeutically and medicinally um but
2:19:29we also really emphasize the nervous
2:19:32system regulation and the Brain
2:19:33retraining as well and when we see
2:19:35people just do one or the other we just
2:19:38tend to not see as much
2:19:40progress so let's first talk about what
2:19:44stress and Trauma
2:19:47are stress and Trauma or normal
2:19:51responses in the nervous
2:19:53system and these are terms that I will
2:19:55kind of use interchangeably because
2:19:58ultimately they occur on a spectrum so
2:20:01there's a deeper underlying
2:20:03physiological mechanism in the nervous
2:20:06system here that it underlies both a
2:20:09trauma response and a stress response so
2:20:12basically when we have this activating
2:20:15response in the nervous system in
2:20:18response to a threat it start starts out
2:20:21as a stress response right like if it's
2:20:23if the nervous system perceives it to be
2:20:25a more mild
2:20:27threat then it's more of a stress
2:20:30response and as that threat is perceived
2:20:33to be bigger and more terrifying right
2:20:36and and more difficult to overcome the
2:20:40stress response will get bigger and
2:20:41bigger and bigger and eventually it'll
2:20:44kind of cross over into more what we
2:20:45would cause it call a trauma response
2:20:48but it's not so much that something
2:20:50different is happening in the nervous
2:20:51system It's Just Happening much more
2:20:53intensely so I also really encourage you
2:20:55to not overthink like well do I really
2:20:58have trauma like or maybe I've just been
2:21:00stressed out a lot of my life like this
2:21:02is not about having a formal PTSD
2:21:04diagnosis although I'm sure many people
2:21:07here do because that's a trend right um
2:21:10but it's not about again the formal
2:21:12diagnosis um much everyone has some
2:21:16amount of experiences of trauma in their
2:21:18life uh it's more about how much your
2:21:21nervous system has been able to overcome
2:21:23those experiences and grow from those
2:21:26experiences and resolve those
2:21:27experiences so I think it would be very
2:21:30difficult to find someone who has never
2:21:32been through a traumatic experience and
2:21:34so I don't want anyone you know playing
2:21:37the trauma Olympics I don't know like
2:21:40overthinking like was that really bad
2:21:42enough you know does this apply to me it
2:21:44probably does apply to you um and for
2:21:47some people that'll be very obvious a
2:21:48lot of us have who are developing these
2:21:50issues you know have gone through very
2:21:52objectively traumatic
2:21:54experiences um and you know I always
2:21:57like to give the metaphor
2:21:59too if you're playing on the beach and
2:22:04you're very tall and you're very strong
2:22:06and a wave hits you you might just like
2:22:08be a little startled be like oh wow I
2:22:10didn't see that wave coming but you'll
2:22:12you'll be fine you'll be standing there
2:22:14right but if you're smaller or you're
2:22:16weaker that same wave could totally
2:22:19knock you over might even pull you out
2:22:22to see so it it's the same stressor
2:22:25right it's that same wave but depending
2:22:28on your resilience and your resources
2:22:31and your strength it's going to hit you
2:22:33different ways and there's so many
2:22:35environmental factors it's not just
2:22:37about physical size right that's a
2:22:39really a metaphor but it's more about
2:22:42like the resources that you have that
2:22:44allow you to see that way of just like
2:22:46oh like that that sucked right but it
2:22:49didn't knock me down
2:22:54so whether or not you identify as having
2:22:57trauma or identify is having a lot of
2:22:59stress ultimately when these things go
2:23:03on for a long period of time when our
2:23:05nervous system is not
2:23:07resolved in these
2:23:10things that's when it starts to really
2:23:12have an effect on our body and again
2:23:13it's the same underlying physiological
2:23:16processes so this is not to
2:23:21also talk about how trauma is just this
2:23:25horrible thing and we always need to
2:23:26avoid trauma and we always need to avoid
2:23:28stress I think sometimes as people
2:23:30become more trauma informed it becomes
2:23:33this rhetoric of like trauma and stress
2:23:34are always bad you know and um people
2:23:37start to feel like very victimized you
2:23:40know in their experiences in life uh and
2:23:43we actually see that trauma and stress
2:23:45are normal parts of life as a living
2:23:49organism and so if we think about an
2:23:52ancestral
2:23:54context humans have always had
2:23:57difficulties and hardships you know the
2:23:59history of humanity is rough a lot of
2:24:02the time so there's been Wars there's
2:24:04been droughts there's been starvation um
2:24:08there's been natural
2:24:09disasters we've been through a lot as a
2:24:12species and other animals do too like
2:24:15this is not unique to humans animals uh
2:24:18experience predation you know there are
2:24:21times of
2:24:22starvation um there are dynamics within
2:24:26groups of animals you know or fighting
2:24:28over territory these are objectively
2:24:31stressful and maybe even traumatizing
2:24:33events that animals go through all the
2:24:37time
2:24:38but the key is the
2:24:42resolution if stress and Trauma is
2:24:45resolved if we feel like we're able to
2:24:48either recover
2:24:50from it or overcome it that stress and
2:24:54Trauma now's become a factor for our
2:24:57growth actually becomes necessary for
2:24:59our development I mentioned briefly
2:25:02earlier children who experience no
2:25:05stress actually have really poor
2:25:07outcomes too children who have an
2:25:10excessive amount of stress and Trauma in
2:25:12their lives also have poor outcomes but
2:25:14there's a sweet spot here right it's
2:25:16that hormetic stressor anyone who
2:25:18Gardens right you know that you have to
2:25:21harden your plants right if you're
2:25:23growing them in a greenhouse first you
2:25:25can't just put them straight in the
2:25:28ground you have to harden the plants by
2:25:31like putting them next to an open window
2:25:33and giving them a stressor that they can
2:25:35handle and that exposure to that cold
2:25:38air and that stress it hardens them but
2:25:41in a positive way it's going to make
2:25:43them more resilient when you plant them
2:25:45outside so they don't die they continue
2:25:47to grow and to thrive and produce all
2:25:49this inredible Bounty for us so this
2:25:52hormetic stressor uh this understanding
2:25:55of like a positive and beneficial
2:25:56stressor is so important ideally the
2:25:59difficult things we go through make us
2:26:02stronger and make us
2:26:04better but we need appropriate resources
2:26:08for something to be a beneficial
2:26:10stressor like that to be able to grow
2:26:12and learn and become better because of
2:26:14the things we experience and so the
2:26:16problem is is that people are engaged in
2:26:19these pattern patterns that are keeping
2:26:21them in a state of chronic stress or
2:26:23chronic stuma trauma and that is the the
2:26:26definition of PTSD um if I'm recalling
2:26:29correctly it's been a while since I've
2:26:30looked at my DSM but uh if I'm recalling
2:26:33correctly it's not considered PTSD
2:26:36unless you've had the symptoms for over
2:26:37six months if it's been over six months
2:26:39since the traumatic event and you are
2:26:41still having all of these symptoms
2:26:43that's when they call it PTSD right so
2:26:45even the DSM acknowledges like yeah
2:26:47there's a natural nervous system
2:26:49response to traumatic events it's not a
2:26:52disorder If you experience something
2:26:54traumatic and it takes you a while to
2:26:57process it and resolve it and overcome
2:26:59it and move forward with your life it's
2:27:01only when we're not moving forward and
2:27:03not overcoming that it now you know it's
2:27:05considered a mental disorder which you
2:27:07know I have my opinions about um but
2:27:09really it's it's just that now it's
2:27:11causing us long-term problems we're
2:27:14locked in these patterns of fear and
2:27:16distrust because we don't feel resolved
2:27:20and it's that stuck trauma state that
2:27:23becomes problematic for our
2:27:25health and this works on so many
2:27:30levels so when we're stuck in this state
2:27:34of stress we actually have so many
2:27:39physiological shifts that occur in the
2:27:42body our inflammation markers go up our
2:27:46fascia actually becomes more dense our
2:27:50hormone balances
2:27:52change so these all make sense for
2:27:55shortterm
2:27:59survival it's okay for those things to
2:28:01happen in the immediate aftermath of a
2:28:04traumatic event it it totally makes
2:28:07sense it helps us get through it but
2:28:10again it's when we're stuck in it for
2:28:11long periods of time that now that
2:28:13inflammation is becoming chronic now
2:28:15we're starting to have chronic pain in
2:28:17the fascia and the muscles right
2:28:22now something that happens with trauma
2:28:27is that it can really exacerbate our
2:28:29negativity
2:28:31bias so I mentioned this briefly earlier
2:28:36that people who develop things like
2:28:38mcast tend to have a strong negativity
2:28:41bias and more of a sensitivity to
2:28:43negative events um and I do think that
2:28:48some of these I mean this is a topic you
2:28:49know I could do a whole other master
2:28:51class on this and I go through this more
2:28:53in my intensive coaching programs but I
2:28:55I do believe that some of these
2:28:57mutations we're dealing with that make
2:28:59it um harder for us to detox our own
2:29:02stress hormones among other things they
2:29:05do make it so we are more naturally
2:29:07sensitive by temperament um physically
2:29:10and emotionally we see a lot of people
2:29:12in this community that identify as like
2:29:14empaths right or feel like they can just
2:29:17really pick up on um very subtle
2:29:20of other people's social cues or shifts
2:29:23in emotions right we're really really
2:29:26tuned into to other people and to things
2:29:28around us there's a lot of
2:29:29hypervigilance right of like I'm
2:29:31noticing everything that's happening in
2:29:32my environment at all times I notice
2:29:34every little thing that changes I know
2:29:36everyone that is in this room with me
2:29:37right now
2:29:39right so we all have this innate
2:29:42negativity bias and you have to think
2:29:45about this from an evolutionary
2:29:46perspective if a branch is shaking
2:29:50if we just assume oh it's probably just
2:29:52the wind and then it's a
2:29:55panther well we're going to get eaten
2:29:57right so not passing on those
2:30:00genes so it makes sense the people who
2:30:05assumed that the branch shaking was a
2:30:09panther are more likely to be able to
2:30:11survive to have children because in the
2:30:13case that oh it wasn't a panther it was
2:30:15just the wind that person like startling
2:30:18and jumping and like you know getting
2:30:20Vigilant and cautious there's no ill
2:30:22effect from that so that's going to be
2:30:25selected for and so now we have an
2:30:28entire species that is going to
2:30:30automatically assume the worst case
2:30:32scenario so some of that is just totally
2:30:34normal to human nature and it's not
2:30:37always bad you know I mean it is it is
2:30:40good to be conscious of potential
2:30:42threats in your environment from just a
2:30:44baseline survival perspective but for
2:30:47some people this can really
2:30:52get
2:30:54EXA especially because the antidote to
2:30:57our negativity bias why our ancestors
2:31:00were not in this constant state of
2:31:02chronic stress and fear and they weren't
2:31:03I mean when we go and we you know if
2:31:05when Anthropologist go spend time you
2:31:07know in traditional societies people who
2:31:09are still living much closer to Nature
2:31:11like generally they are very calm they
2:31:13are very relaxed like they don't have
2:31:15things like depression or anxiety or
2:31:17PTSD um and so even though we they have
2:31:21this negativity bias too and they are
2:31:23going to jump if they see you know a
2:31:25branch move um they they don't seem to
2:31:28have just like this chronic you know
2:31:31like everything's always bad everything
2:31:32happening is always wrong um temperament
2:31:36and so the antidote that helps balance
2:31:39out this innate negativity bias is
2:31:42safety and grounding feeling safe in
2:31:46your environment feeling safe in your
2:31:49community and feeling safe in our body
2:31:52and if we feel like we have the skills
2:31:56that are needed to survive we feel
2:31:59capable you know and doing those skills
2:32:02if we've been raised in a way where we
2:32:04encouraged to you know do the things
2:32:07that we're good at and not get
2:32:09discouraged and not give up and keep
2:32:11trying if we have that resilience
2:32:15conditioned in if we feel connected to
2:32:18the people around us and we feel like
2:32:20are people who are going to have my back
2:32:21and help me out when things get
2:32:23hard that is a Natural Balance to that
2:32:27negativity
2:32:29bias and that's why even though this
2:32:33exists innately in all
2:32:35humans we don't see people in
2:32:37traditional Societies in these chronic
2:32:40stress
2:32:41States so it's not about getting rid of
2:32:44the negativity bias we can't and it's
2:32:47not about getting rid of stress and
2:32:48Trauma again we
2:32:50can't it's about trying to buffer our
2:32:55supports and our resources and our
2:32:58innate resilience because when the body
2:33:01feels supported and capable and
2:33:03connected we naturally drop into what is
2:33:06called a parasympathetic State and this
2:33:09is going to be the more downregulating
2:33:11part of our nervous system and there's
2:33:13actually two types of parasympathetic
2:33:15one is a freeze response it's a very
2:33:17extreme parasympathetic response there's
2:33:19also a gentler parasympathetic response
2:33:21this is what we call like rest and
2:33:23digest often right or our social
2:33:25engagement system it's sometimes
2:33:27called and it's only when we were in
2:33:30that more gentle parasympathetic state
2:33:33that healing processes in the body
2:33:35naturally
2:33:37happen so this is why things like the
2:33:41aces study are so fascinating uh for
2:33:44those of you who don't know this is one
2:33:46of the biggest studies they've done on
2:33:48the connection between child trauma and
2:33:50stress and the adult development of
2:33:52chronic illness it is
2:33:56um it's quite humbling honestly so I
2:33:59definitely encourage you to look into
2:34:01this research if you never have um it's
2:34:04the aces study
2:34:06AC um and it stands for adverse
2:34:08childhood experiences study and
2:34:10basically what they found was that if
2:34:14you had a certain number of adverse
2:34:17childhood experiences and they
2:34:18categorized it in a specific way so it
2:34:20doesn't cover everything but you know
2:34:22they they had things like you know
2:34:23experienced different kinds of abuse or
2:34:26you know had a parent who was in prison
2:34:28or a parent who was an addict or just
2:34:30different different ways that you might
2:34:31have experienced stress or trauma going
2:34:33up and the more of these events you had
2:34:37as a child your likelihood of developing
2:34:40a chronic disease in adulthood goes up
2:34:45exponentially right so it's even more
2:34:47than a direct correlation in the sense
2:34:49that like it's an exponential
2:34:52correlation and this is because if we
2:34:55have never had that antidote to that
2:34:57negativity bias it will run
2:35:00wild we do not have the resilience
2:35:03factors to overcome the experiences that
2:35:06we've developed and the body is going to
2:35:08stay in that state of stress and again
2:35:10we are going to have that chronic in
2:35:12these chronic inflammatory
2:35:14markers we are going to have that
2:35:17tension uh and and congealing in the
2:35:20fascia our body is going to stay locked
2:35:23down and we are not going to detoxify as
2:35:26well we are not going to regenerate
2:35:28tissue as well we are not going to rest
2:35:30as deeply and restore as
2:35:32deeply so even without talking about the
2:35:35gut microbiome we can see how
2:35:39much our experiences in life relate to
2:35:42the illnesses we later develop and so
2:35:44what this leads me to really emphasize
2:35:46is that we don't need to force or coers
2:35:49are healing and I think that so many
2:35:52people come into this work and they are
2:35:55just you know so fixated on this end
2:35:58goal of like I'm going to implement a b
2:36:00and c and that's going to get me to Z by
2:36:03this date and it's like this very like
2:36:05gripping pushing you know energy of like
2:36:08I'm gonna force my body to do this and
2:36:10that's why Melanie and I have emphasized
2:36:11so much like slow paste gentle like we
2:36:16can make incredible changes in the body
2:36:19using very simple interventions
2:36:22honestly but we want to do it at a
2:36:25gentle Pace because we don't want to
2:36:26reinforce the same nervous system
2:36:29patterns that precipitated your illness
2:36:32and so many of us are coming from these
2:36:34kinds of
2:36:39childhoods so this is why you can be
2:36:41doing all the right things all the right
2:36:43Foods all the right supplements and
2:36:45sometimes still not seeing progress your
2:36:46nervous system doesn't believe it's the
2:36:48right time to he
2:36:52oops here we
2:36:55go so let's talk about how we resolve
2:36:59trauma uh the good news is is that today
2:37:03we are growing more awareness of trauma
2:37:07as a society um like I was on you know
2:37:10back when I was still a therapist I was
2:37:12on a task force for the entire state of
2:37:15Oregon to try to implement
2:37:17trauma-informed care in Public School
2:37:20settings like 20 years ago that would
2:37:22have never
2:37:23happened right so I mean we are growing
2:37:26more awareness and that's a really good
2:37:28thing but I think we still don't always
2:37:33have um a clear solution right like we
2:37:37can all acknowledge and most of us today
2:37:39would probably be like yeah I know
2:37:40stress is bad for me you know or like
2:37:42yeah I had some hard experiences growing
2:37:44up that probably do affect me still um
2:37:47but we don't always realize how
2:37:51deeply um and we don't always know what
2:37:55to do to resolve
2:37:58it and unfortunately the most common
2:38:02thing that we have available in terms of
2:38:05Mental Health Care is talk therapy so
2:38:09this is your classic mental health
2:38:11therapy that most insurances will pay
2:38:13for that most Community Mental Health
2:38:15Centers will offer right so this is what
2:38:17most people have access to un Ely I mean
2:38:20and I'm not trying to um you know rag on
2:38:22talk therapy too much there are times
2:38:24when it's really appropriate and can be
2:38:25really helpful you know so it it's not
2:38:27bad to be doing talk therapy by any
2:38:29means it helps a lot of people but it's
2:38:32not as effective as um at resolving
2:38:38trauma um this is
2:38:40because it's not about talking yourself
2:38:43out of a traumatized State it's not
2:38:46always about thinking about it
2:38:48differently
2:38:50there's a place for that Melanie's going
2:38:51to talk more about that after this like
2:38:53how we can start to think about things
2:38:54differently and retrain the brain
2:38:56patterns um but it doesn't change the
2:38:59physical response in the body for the
2:39:01most part and often people will get to a
2:39:04state where they've done so much talk
2:39:07therapy that they're like I can tell
2:39:10every horrible thing that's happened to
2:39:11me and like not feel anything about it
2:39:13they can like talk through every detail
2:39:15you know of the traumatic thing that
2:39:18happened to them and like just feel
2:39:20totally neutral about it but they still
2:39:22have PTSD right they're still having
2:39:25these big triggered reactions they're
2:39:27still having flashbacks you know they're
2:39:29still having a lot of nervous system
2:39:31disregulation they still have all the
2:39:32chronic illness symptoms that have
2:39:34developed because of it so something's
2:39:36not connecting right they're
2:39:37intellectualizing it it's all in this
2:39:40prefrontal cortex this front of the
2:39:42brain um where it's just like they're
2:39:44just doing this higher rational thinking
2:39:46about it and it's just not what resolves
2:39:48it
2:39:50we have to actually get into the
2:39:52body and into the Primal part of the
2:39:56brain so when we experience trauma or
2:40:00stress right again I'm using these words
2:40:02kind of
2:40:04interchangeably anytime you feel uh like
2:40:07we' had a traumatic or stressful
2:40:09experience we contract our physical
2:40:12tissues particularly on the level of the
2:40:15fascia and just if anyone doesn't know
2:40:17what the fascia is the fascia is um this
2:40:19connective tissue that surrounds all of
2:40:22our organs and it it basically holds our
2:40:24body in place right it's it's over all
2:40:27the muscle fibers it's over all the
2:40:30organs um it's it should be this very
2:40:33slidy slick uh substance um that is very
2:40:38hydrated and soft and movable um but
2:40:41when we experience stress or
2:40:45trauma uh of any kind we contract
2:40:50and this makes sense if you think about
2:40:52you know what happens when you contract
2:40:54you know you pull Inward and you're
2:40:57basically uh protecting your inner
2:40:59organs you know your vulnerable organs
2:41:00you're pulling inwards you're protecting
2:41:02the more vulnerable parts of your body
2:41:05uh and you're also like this is a this
2:41:06is a fighting stance right it's like a
2:41:08boxing stance uh and it's also like you
2:41:11know a runner's lunge right you're like
2:41:12getting ready to run and so it really
2:41:15makes sense from a very primitive
2:41:16survival perspective why anytime we get
2:41:18stressed we would contract like that
2:41:21we're getting ready to deal with
2:41:22whatever we perceive to be threatening
2:41:24to us but again that developed in a time
2:41:27when it was probably like a lion hiding
2:41:29in the bushes right it wasn't you know
2:41:32our uncle who did something super mean
2:41:34to us when we were a kid it's just a
2:41:37really different
2:41:39context um and so that physical tissue
2:41:44contracts the the fascia contracts and
2:41:46where it contracts it forms little
2:41:48adhesions uh and and gets very kind of
2:41:51dry and dehydrated in those places and
2:41:52that's when you're like moving around
2:41:54and you hear the like click clack click
2:41:55clack right that's your fascia like dry
2:41:59dry damaged fascia like rubbing against
2:42:01each other and there's some amount of
2:42:03just like you know living a full life
2:42:05where you're you know moving and doing
2:42:07things and maybe have gotten injured in
2:42:09places I mean some of that is is normal
2:42:11as you age right so I don't want to make
2:42:12it sound like if you ever hear a funny
2:42:14noise in your body it's a bad thing um
2:42:16but that can be related to to these um
2:42:21contracted uh patterns around stressors
2:42:24and traumas um that are more emotional
2:42:27um that we have or mental that we've
2:42:29experienced in our life as well and with
2:42:31the contraction of the
2:42:32fascia that basically because the FASA
2:42:35actually houses our nervous tissue so
2:42:38our peripheral nervous system is in the
2:42:40fascia and so it's highly attuned to
2:42:44perceiving changes in your fascial
2:42:46patterns and it's going to send signals
2:42:49into the brain that activate your
2:42:52amydala uh the amydala is the primary
2:42:55part of your lyic system which anyone
2:42:57has done any kind of brain retraining
2:42:59program like dnrs or something like that
2:43:01they talk about the lyic system a lot
2:43:03right this is the seat of our emotional
2:43:05memory and so this is the part of the
2:43:07brain that activates when we get
2:43:08triggered basically right we have this
2:43:10big emotional response that is connected
2:43:13to a traumatic memory and so fascia
2:43:15contracts amygdala activates um
2:43:20and that is where trauma is stored is
2:43:23stored floating around in that lyic
2:43:25system in the brain and in the
2:43:27contracted patterns of tissue in our
2:43:29body it's not stored in this prefrontal
2:43:32cortex where we're like talking to
2:43:35people and telling a
2:43:37story right so this is why we have to go
2:43:39into the body to release trauma it
2:43:43requires an energetic
2:43:45release and you have to have a somatic
2:43:48EXP experience of
2:43:51resolution by that I mean you actually
2:43:54have to feel a shift physically in your
2:43:57body that lets you know that
2:43:59communicates that signal okay this is
2:44:04resolved now when the body releases it's
2:44:08actually going to send that signal to
2:44:10the emotional part of the brain like hey
2:44:13we don't have to be so charged up about
2:44:14this anymore like that that's resolved
2:44:16now it's in the past and then that
2:44:19memory that was just floating around in
2:44:20the lyic system gets filed into
2:44:23long-term memory and it may be something
2:44:26that like we still feel sad about it's
2:44:27not like we're glad we went through
2:44:29tough things of course but we're not
2:44:32going to feel as charged up about it
2:44:34right it's going to be like yeah that
2:44:35sucked but it happened in the past and
2:44:37it's over now so our actual brain
2:44:40activity will change with this energetic
2:44:42release in the body when I say energy
2:44:45you know a lot of people will think of
2:44:46that in a very like woo metaphysical way
2:44:49and and you can think of it that way too
2:44:51you know it works on that level too but
2:44:52I'm actually talking about like literal
2:44:55tangible energy stored in the tissues
2:44:58and the nervous tissue is like that
2:45:00action potential um of the cells right
2:45:02so that's that's I'm literally talking
2:45:04about energy in the
2:45:08body so let's bring this back to
2:45:14mcass we're really going to zoom out
2:45:17what mcass is is a chronic fear state in
2:45:22the
2:45:22body your body is scared at all
2:45:26times and now because of that you're
2:45:29scared of your body that's a really bad
2:45:32feedback loop right you can see how
2:45:34these things get really out of
2:45:37control remember we've said this a few
2:45:39times massed cells degranulate when they
2:45:42perceive a
2:45:44toxin we really want to emphasize the
2:45:47perceive in this section because yes
2:45:50sometimes there are true toxins and
2:45:52often that's where this starts like you
2:45:55are exposed to heavy metals you know or
2:45:57you do get infected with a parasite or
2:45:59you know something like that
2:46:02happens but if you're having this
2:46:04chronic
2:46:06disregulation and now your body is
2:46:09feeling Afraid on a nervous system level
2:46:13you're in this anxiety spiral now where
2:46:15your negative bias has gotten incredibly
2:46:18exacerbated ated and everything now is a
2:46:22Potential Threat there's no
2:46:24balance right you don't have those tools
2:46:27those resources to help bring that into
2:46:29balance now more and more innocuous
2:46:33things are going to be perceived as
2:46:36threats and this has actually been
2:46:38described there's an incredible
2:46:40researcher called uh named Robert navio
2:46:43and he developed a theory called the
2:46:45cell danger
2:46:47response and he was looking at the cell
2:46:49danger response a lot in terms of actual
2:46:53toxic exposure right like if a cell is
2:46:55exposed to a chronic influx of
2:46:57pesticides for example like a metabolic
2:47:00state will turn on called the cell
2:47:02danger
2:47:03response um where the cell function
2:47:05actually changes on a metabolic level so
2:47:10something happens where like a flip is
2:47:11Switched and the body is like okay this
2:47:13is not an acute stressor anymore this is
2:47:15a chronic stressor it's been going on
2:47:17for more than six months remember and so
2:47:21once the body is like no this is a
2:47:23long-term threat I have to deal with you
2:47:25know I'm not going to be able to just
2:47:26have this acute stress response much
2:47:29longer and so the metabolism changes and
2:47:33this thing called the cell danger
2:47:34response flips on but now all the
2:47:36chemistry of your body is different like
2:47:39your cells are responding to things in a
2:47:41different way so yes it can be triggered
2:47:44by physical stressors and it often is
2:47:47there's often that going on
2:47:49but if the body doesn't perceive that it
2:47:53is safe more emotionally psychologically
2:47:58somatically what's going to turn the
2:47:59cell danger response off and again this
2:48:03is why we see like on paper you're doing
2:48:06everything right you know so why AR you
2:48:09recovering because in the nervous
2:48:12system your body still does not feel
2:48:14safe your body thinks there are still
2:48:17threats and so now we have to go to your
2:48:21relationship to your body your
2:48:24relationship to your community your
2:48:27relationship to your home
2:48:29environment and that is what we start to
2:48:32have to look at to make this shift to
2:48:35create this sense of safety and then
2:48:37your body can turn that cell danger
2:48:39response off and you can start to
2:48:41recover because when that cell danger
2:48:43response is on it's focused on just
2:48:45keeping you alive it's not going to
2:48:47allow you to do deep healing
2:48:54work so we can talk about fear but on
2:48:58the flip side we can also talk about
2:49:00trust right I've mentioned a few times
2:49:03you know your your body is afraid of
2:49:06everything you're afraid of your body
2:49:08and your body responses but on the other
2:49:10side of that there's also uh there's
2:49:12something about trust right in the
2:49:14relationship that you have because our
2:49:16relationship with our body is a
2:49:18relationship ship just like a family
2:49:20relationship or a romantic relationship
2:49:23or a relationship with a
2:49:26mentor we have this ego right we have
2:49:29this
2:49:30Consciousness um and we have a lot of
2:49:33things happening in the subconscious
2:49:35underneath that we don't have as much
2:49:36access to and so we do have to have a
2:49:39relationship with that part of ourselves
2:49:41to really tune in and see what's going
2:49:42on and a lot of us are not taught to
2:49:45trust our
2:49:47bodies this happens often from a very
2:49:50very young age where people are told to
2:49:54hug relatives that they feel
2:49:55uncomfortable hugging or you know get
2:49:58pushed in the pool when they're telling
2:50:00their parents like no I'm scared I don't
2:50:01want to go in the water and they get
2:50:03thrown in anyway you know or um they uh
2:50:08are you know being told that their you
2:50:11know bodily Sensations and bodily
2:50:13instincts are sinful maybe you know or
2:50:16they have uh an experience at a doctor
2:50:19where the doctor is telling you no
2:50:21you're not experiencing that symptom
2:50:22that's not real that's just in your head
2:50:25so you can see from the time we are
2:50:27young we are not taught to trust the
2:50:30signals of our body and we often start
2:50:32suppressing the messages of our body
2:50:34over and over and over
2:50:37again and now your body cannot rely on
2:50:40you to do what it needs a lot of us
2:50:42struggle to know when we're tired to
2:50:45know when we've done too much to know
2:50:47when we're hungry
2:50:49to know what it is our body is actually
2:50:51craving when we are
2:50:53hungry and so we overwork and we
2:50:56undereat and we over exercise and uh we
2:51:00don't you know give ourselves the
2:51:02environment we need to get really truly
2:51:04restorative
2:51:05sleep um we continue relationships that
2:51:08are unhealthy and toxic because we feel
2:51:11like we should be in them so you see how
2:51:14this can really spiral you don't know
2:51:17how to trust your body you don't know
2:51:18how to listen to the signals of your
2:51:20body and you're doing things that are
2:51:23harmful for your body and so now your
2:51:25body doesn't trust you
2:51:28either and so this is often why we get
2:51:31more and more extreme reactions to
2:51:34things why you know people are saying in
2:51:36the chat what if I react to everything
2:51:38you know what if I can't even go outside
2:51:40because I'm so reactive because your
2:51:42body is screaming at you it does not
2:51:46trust you and it is going to keep having
2:51:49extreme
2:51:51reactions to mild
2:51:54things until it believes that it can
2:51:56trust you again so that's why we
2:51:59encourage people to really stick with
2:52:01this process for the long
2:52:03term because it takes time to repair
2:52:07this relationship so think about maybe a
2:52:10relationship you've had where there has
2:52:12been a really big betrayal I we've all
2:52:15had that right and and think about you
2:52:17know whether this actually happened or
2:52:18not like what it would have taken to
2:52:20repair that
2:52:22relationship probably a lot of time and
2:52:25effort right that not a lot of people
2:52:27are willing to do so you have to think
2:52:30about this in terms of your own body
2:52:31usually by the time mcast has
2:52:33developed your body has not trusted you
2:52:35for a while that's why you're in the
2:52:37state that you're in and so we have to
2:52:40be delicate compassionate and change
2:52:44things slowly but
2:52:46consistently we have to be become that
2:52:49wise leader that our body has never felt
2:52:52like we were and we have to let it know
2:52:54like yeah I'm going to be changing some
2:52:55things I'm going to be implementing some
2:52:57things it may feel really hard at first
2:52:59you know you may be feeling scared at
2:53:01first but this is actually going to get
2:53:04us to health and I promise I'm actually
2:53:05listening to you now and I'm going to
2:53:07listen to the signals that you give me
2:53:10and we are going to get through this
2:53:12together I mean literally you have to be
2:53:14your own wise leader and you have to
2:53:16talk to your body like that
2:53:24so some people are doing more uh somatic
2:53:28techniques to release trauma um I think
2:53:31more people realize now that the talk
2:53:33therapy just doesn't really always cut
2:53:35it when it comes to trauma resolution
2:53:38and so there are a lot of modalities out
2:53:39there that are offering uh like release
2:53:43Trauma from your nervous system and some
2:53:45of these are really legit um you know
2:53:47somatic experience saying um is one of
2:53:51the ones that is most popular uh Dr
2:53:54Peter LaVine so it's a wonderful
2:53:56modality you know I mean if you can find
2:53:58a somatic experiencing therapist that's
2:54:00that's
2:54:01excellent um but I am part of somatic
2:54:05experiencing and and that technique and
2:54:07and similar techniques is that they do
2:54:09really promote like a good clinician
2:54:12will really promote pacing of the
2:54:14release right there are a lot of people
2:54:17who are on online who are saying they
2:54:20are like somatic coaches or you know
2:54:23trauma recovery coaches or whoever you
2:54:26know and you know I mean I'm one of
2:54:28these right so I'm not judging too much
2:54:31but you have to kind of look at the
2:54:33techniques they use and the experience
2:54:36they have
2:54:37because the solution is not it one
2:54:40massive cathartic release that will just
2:54:43be like ah my trauma's gone and I'm
2:54:44better now and some of these self-help
2:54:46gurus
2:54:48they really kind of make it look like
2:54:50that you know like I mean if you think
2:54:52about people like Teal Swan right or
2:54:54some of these like big influencers on
2:54:55this stuff you know I'm not saying she
2:54:57doesn't do good work everyone has
2:54:59strengths of course but sometimes
2:55:01they'll make it look like oh you just
2:55:02come have one session and then boom all
2:55:04your trauma's gone and everything's good
2:55:06um and that's not how the nervous system
2:55:08works and that can actually be dangerous
2:55:11if you are releasing too much too
2:55:13quickly it can overload your nervous
2:55:15system and you won't actually be able to
2:55:17integrate it right so any shift you make
2:55:19in your nervous system has to be
2:55:22integrated and what that means is that
2:55:24your body has to accept the
2:55:27rearrangement basically and it's going
2:55:30to press the save button on your on your
2:55:32patterns you know like okay we shifted
2:55:35this I'm G to be in this new pattern now
2:55:38and I'm going to keep that that way and
2:55:40that can't happen with massive changes
2:55:43or releases all at once I find that it's
2:55:47much more effective to do many slow
2:55:50releases over time months or even years
2:55:53so the body can integrate every shift
2:55:56that
2:55:58happens I also really want to emphasize
2:56:00that um a lot of these techniques that
2:56:03are kind of getting popular right now
2:56:05they they they still really replicate
2:56:08this sense of like pushing or doing like
2:56:10yeah get it out like do the thing and in
2:56:14my experience this is actually much more
2:56:17about a
2:56:19allowing and like stepping back and
2:56:22surrendering because the body has
2:56:25mechanisms for naturally releasing our
2:56:30trauma again we have to look at like the
2:56:34deer in the wilderness
2:56:37right if they couldn't release the
2:56:39trauma they experienced they would
2:56:42die right and they go through natural
2:56:44disasters they get chased by wolves like
2:56:47they go through things
2:56:48but their nervous systems they are fully
2:56:51in touch with their nervous systems they
2:56:53do not question or distrust their
2:56:56nervous system at all and they allow
2:56:59these natural mechanisms to take
2:57:02place and the mechanisms that our
2:57:04nervous system has for releasing trauma
2:57:07are shaking trembling and
2:57:10vibrating it is using frequency and it
2:57:14is the fascia actually starting to
2:57:18vibrate from signals coming from the
2:57:20brain stem so this is a very Primal
2:57:24experience and it is not a
2:57:28coincidence that people who have a lot
2:57:31of anxiety people who have PTSD people
2:57:34who have a lot of neurological
2:57:37symptoms people who have uh different
2:57:40kinds of central nervous system
2:57:42disorders often experience shaking and
2:57:45trembling as a symptom as a chronic
2:57:47symptom
2:57:48right so yes in some of these cases
2:57:50there is actual damage in the nervous
2:57:52tissue that is causing the shaking right
2:57:54we can acknowledge that absolutely um
2:57:57but for most
2:57:59people your body is stuck in a feedback
2:58:02loop and it's trying to let the trauma
2:58:05go and very likely you are trying to
2:58:08hold it
2:58:09back because if you shake or tremble in
2:58:14front of other people and probably this
2:58:16happened when you were a kid too right
2:58:18you felt shaky or scared what are they
2:58:20going to say stop crying get a hold of
2:58:23yourself you're fine you're fine just
2:58:25stop it right they'll shake you right
2:58:29until you stop I mean this is the
2:58:31experience a lot of us have growing off
2:58:33like why are you crying you know don't
2:58:35worry about that you're fine you'll get
2:58:37over it and so we like oh okay I'm not
2:58:41supposed to do that that's what we learn
2:58:43and so we hold in the shakes and we hold
2:58:45in the trembling and then that energy is
2:58:47just
2:58:48like in our nervous system for years for
2:58:51years and then sometimes it'll come out
2:58:54as a panic attack it'll come out as you
2:58:57know uncontrollable shaking I have so
2:59:00many clients that come to me being like
2:59:02I am shaking all the time or I am
2:59:04vibrating inside my body all the time so
2:59:08many people who come to us have those
2:59:09symptoms and they have so much trauma
2:59:12that their body is waiting to release
2:59:15and they cannot let themselves do it
2:59:17because they are scared of it they don't
2:59:19trust their
2:59:23body but what this shaking and trembling
2:59:25and vibration actually does is it
2:59:28actually goes into those places where
2:59:30we're contracted and holding tension and
2:59:33it actually starts to unwind those
2:59:35tension patterns we break up adhesions
2:59:38in the fascia through vibrating it
2:59:41that's how that works and so it also
2:59:44releases that energy that is stuck in
2:59:45the body I talk about that action
2:59:47potential that energy
2:59:48and that can be released through
2:59:51shaking the sensations can feel
2:59:54unnerving at first though um this is why
2:59:57we really help people what is happening
3:00:00understand what is happening in the
3:00:01nervous system um because you've
3:00:04probably suppressed it your whole life
3:00:06or you associate it with being sick
3:00:09having a panic attack right and you
3:00:10don't think it's a good thing it's scary
3:00:13and so we have to really bring it in
3:00:16slowly and gently again because we need
3:00:18your nervous SYM to be able to integrate
3:00:20all the experiences that you have um and
3:00:23once we do this I mean I have people who
3:00:25um you know like I've had clients that
3:00:27recover like actually I'll tell a story
3:00:29a client who has recovered that I have
3:00:32worked with for a while she um she got
3:00:35in an accident and she had to go to the
3:00:38uh emergency room and when she was
3:00:40sitting in the emergency room she just
3:00:43started shaking all over and she was
3:00:46like oh like this is thing and she just
3:00:49let herself do it she just sat there and
3:00:52like everyone was looking at her weird
3:00:54like are you okay but she just like
3:00:56didn't care and just let herself do it
3:00:58and all of a sudden it stopped and then
3:01:02she felt like she really didn't have any
3:01:04even though it had been kind of a
3:01:05traumatic experience she she was fine
3:01:08right she like just moved on with her
3:01:09life the next day so these mechanisms
3:01:12are there for a reason they work again
3:01:14we have to rebuild our relationship with
3:01:16our body to allow them to come out in a
3:01:18way that feels safe to
3:01:23us so how do we do this on in a more
3:01:26nuts and bolts way so I am a TR tension
3:01:29and Trauma releasing exercises provider
3:01:32um I have been certified since
3:01:352017 and this was a modality developed
3:01:38by a Dr David belli uh who's an
3:01:41incredible clinician and just allaround
3:01:43person he was a social worker for many
3:01:45years um working in uh War zones all
3:01:48around the world you know working for
3:01:50nonprofits um trying to help people
3:01:54recover and um you know rebuild their
3:01:57life after incredibly traumatic
3:02:00events um and so he started recognizing
3:02:04this mechanism in the body through some
3:02:06of his observations and some of his
3:02:08research and he realized that people
3:02:09needed a structured framework to do this
3:02:11like you can't just go tell someone like
3:02:13just you know shake I mean you can you
3:02:15can hokey pokei it out and you do often
3:02:17feel better
3:02:18um but generally this can to have the
3:02:21really more innate Primal experience of
3:02:23it um you really need that structure at
3:02:26first to to feel safe um many people
3:02:29feel very Frozen uh at first and may
3:02:32feel like they have a hard time allowing
3:02:34this and unlocking this and so he
3:02:36developed a series of exercises to help
3:02:39reawaken this mechanism in a safe and
3:02:42contained framework um and with this
3:02:46method The Experience can be p taste or
3:02:48modulated right so it's not about like
3:02:51um just having one big cathartic release
3:02:54it's slowly titrating this experience
3:02:56over time uh and rebuilding that trust
3:03:00in the nervous system like we're not
3:03:01going to overload again you know we're
3:03:03just going to do this a little bit at a
3:03:05time um and this is not like proprietary
3:03:09secret like you don't have to come to us
3:03:11to do this method uh the information is
3:03:14free online or you can buy his little
3:03:16like $10 book on his website um but he
3:03:19has a video on YouTube um as Tory
3:03:22exercises David brelli I'll put the name
3:03:25in the chat in a little bit and he shows
3:03:27everyone how to do it for free online so
3:03:29I mean any anyone can do this anytime um
3:03:33you know a reason to come work with us
3:03:35around it is that uh you know you're
3:03:37just going to get more individual um
3:03:40support in tight trading it uh I do it
3:03:44in a way that I feel like tends to work
3:03:46better for people with really sensitive
3:03:48nervous systems he's you know doing it
3:03:50for a broader audience and so he's a
3:03:52little more intense with the way that he
3:03:54teaches it um I tend to be much more
3:03:56gentle and backed off with the way I
3:03:57teach it um just so again we don't
3:04:00overload your system and we also teach
3:04:03uh related somatic techniques to go
3:04:05along with it to help deepen your
3:04:07experience so um this is a method we use
3:04:09with all of our
3:04:11clients uh Additionally you can use
3:04:14certain uh techniques uh certain
3:04:16stretches
3:04:18um some gentle exercises uh and foam
3:04:21rolling as well so taking a um like a a
3:04:24big piece of hard foam and rubbing it
3:04:27against certain parts of your fascia to
3:04:29help unlock adhesions um because like I
3:04:32said this happens from contraction
3:04:34around trauma but it can also happen
3:04:36just from imbalanced movement patterns
3:04:39um weirdly enough if we grow up in a
3:04:42non-optimal environment we may not
3:04:44actually learn how to move correctly
3:04:46right we may not make the correct de
3:04:48developmental progression you know from
3:04:50rolling around to crawling to walking a
3:04:53lot of things can disrupt that process
3:04:55um and so many of us have very
3:04:57imbalanced movement patterns which
3:04:58causes a lot of problems and pain and is
3:05:01exacerbated if there's hypermobility
3:05:03going on um and this makes more
3:05:05disregulation in the nervous system so
3:05:07when you uh do when you look into the um
3:05:12program that you purchased as a part of
3:05:13this master class we're going to have a
3:05:15whole foam rolling and exercise program
3:05:17that you'll have access to that you can
3:05:19start as well as a video where I'm
3:05:21teaching about how to do the TR from our
3:05:24version of the technique um so all of
3:05:26that will be available to you and then
3:05:29we also have classes active classes um
3:05:31for these techniques in our actual
3:05:34coaching program where we have the live
3:05:35classes as well there's a lot of ways to
3:05:38start using these
3:05:41techniques okay let's do a little Q&A
3:05:53I'm not sure what Robin is
3:05:55saying no
3:05:57questions does anyone just I mean we can
3:06:00if you can just unmute yourself if
3:06:02anyone has uh any questions uh about
3:06:05this section before we move
3:06:10on
3:06:12hello yes hi um I do have a question so
3:06:19this almost sounds like this is
3:06:22the you know because i' I've done I've
3:06:25listen to like a lot of different like
3:06:27coaches and and you know um regarding
3:06:31like mcast long Co and and all that it
3:06:35just seems like honestly you like
3:06:37because you brought up a good point you
3:06:39can do everything
3:06:42right but if your nervous system or you
3:06:45you know the trauma in your life all
3:06:47that stuff is added
3:06:49up to me that seems like the foundation
3:06:52of all of
3:06:54it in my like just from what I'm hearing
3:06:56and it seems to be a common theme like
3:06:58amongst like TMS
3:07:00groups um CFS recovery groups all these
3:07:04different groups that are out there
3:07:06because like I I see a lot of
3:07:08experiences that where people are doing
3:07:11the diets the supplements the the gut
3:07:15redoing everything like but it just
3:07:17seems like nothing changes for him and
3:07:20then the minute that they you know some
3:07:23of these recovery stories these people
3:07:25are saying like yeah once I I fixed my
3:07:27nervous system it really wasn't about
3:07:30that's because that was the cause of the
3:07:31leaky gut you know that then my gut
3:07:34started to heal and they didn't have to
3:07:35do anything
3:07:36extravagant so it just sounds like I see
3:07:40this common
3:07:41theme
3:07:43about it's the brain and the the the
3:07:46rewiring or whatever however way you
3:07:48want to put it into words because there
3:07:50you know olymic you know yeah all this
3:07:52different or the vagel tone and but I
3:07:56just get so confused because there's
3:07:58like so many different ways to skin this
3:08:00cat that you kind of just give up
3:08:03because you don't really
3:08:05understand where exactly to
3:08:08start okay yeah yeah thank you for
3:08:11sharing Julia honestly you put that
3:08:12really eloquently and I I mostly agree
3:08:15with you um and like I started this with
3:08:17I mean I started bringing this work back
3:08:19into my practice after kind of moving
3:08:22away from it because I I was seeing my
3:08:24stubborn cases were the ones that were
3:08:25not addressing their nervous system and
3:08:28so you're totally right if you're eating
3:08:30the perfect food if you're taking the
3:08:32perfect supplements you're doing all the
3:08:33detox practices but you're doing it with
3:08:35this mindset of like hating your body
3:08:38and being at war with your body you know
3:08:40and you have all this fear and Trauma
3:08:43from your life experiences you have not
3:08:44worked through like your body is not in
3:08:47a state to heal so it's probably not
3:08:49going to um so yeah I think you're spot
3:08:52on um I would say that yeah stress like
3:08:56high amounts of stress hormones in the
3:08:58gut can inflame the gut and contribute
3:09:00to leaky gut absolutely you know and
3:09:02many people do find that like wow after
3:09:04I had this traumatic experience my IBS
3:09:07got worse right I mean that's totally a
3:09:09thing that happens um at the same time I
3:09:12have also seen people and this was me
3:09:14too right I mean I I was doing all this
3:09:16nervous system work you know
3:09:17professionally even um and I would not
3:09:19have recovered unless I had changed my
3:09:22diet to rebalance my gut microbiome um
3:09:25and I had to get really serious about
3:09:27that and we do get a lot of people who
3:09:29do come from dnrs who tell people and I
3:09:33I dnrs is a wonderful program you know
3:09:36so this is not not me dogging on them
3:09:38but they will tell people don't change
3:09:40your diet this is all you need and I
3:09:43think that's not okay to tell people to
3:09:45not try certain things
3:09:47um and we do get people who have not
3:09:49recovered with dnrs because they haven't
3:09:51addressed the the food in the microbiome
3:09:54so again this is why we have the
3:09:55perspective that it's really a both and
3:09:57like we have to do both simultaneously
3:09:59and that's where we see the the best
3:10:01results um but I would also caution you
3:10:04you know about that All or Nothing
3:10:05mindset I I know it can be overwhelming
3:10:07when there's so many different options
3:10:09and modalities out there but part of
3:10:11that is because there's a lot of roads
3:10:13to Ram you know like there are a lot of
3:10:15things that do help and so I would say
3:10:19um you know instead of taking it like oh
3:10:21I just need a practitioner hop you know
3:10:23pick one or two things and stick with
3:10:26those consistently and that's why even
3:10:28though there's a lot of techniques that
3:10:30work we have a couple of techniques that
3:10:33we use consistently in our program you
3:10:35know because we just want people to do a
3:10:36couple things consistently and we find
3:10:38these to be very
3:10:40effective okay thank you of
3:10:43course um I'm also seeing a couple other
3:10:46questions come in the chat
3:10:47Ali is asking about
3:10:49EMDR uh I I have uh mixed experiences
3:10:53with my clients doing EMDR for some
3:10:56people it's like a GameChanger you know
3:10:58I mean it it does work uh on a very deep
3:11:00brain level it's not talk therapy um
3:11:03part of it I think is the skill of the
3:11:05practitioner you have but it
3:11:07is it is opening a bit of a can of worms
3:11:10because you do go directly into
3:11:12traumatic memory and you have to be able
3:11:15to handle that right and and integrate
3:11:18that so I've also seen some people get
3:11:21worse after EMDR so I think it has more
3:11:23to do with where you are in your healing
3:11:25Journey
3:11:28um the TR exercises I usually recommend
3:11:31people do it at least a couple times a
3:11:33week maybe three times a week but I have
3:11:35clients that do it daily they they love
3:11:37it and they just do it daily um and
3:11:39usually the benefits accumulate over
3:11:43weeks and months you know so you you get
3:11:46more and more benefits the longer you do
3:11:49it Robin I was referring to our high
3:11:51stress ancestors being the ones to
3:11:53survive and pass on their genes okay I
3:11:54get your comment Robin I wasn't sure
3:11:56what you were referring to but
3:11:58yeah it's the reality yep okay uh Megan
3:12:03thoughts on Chiropractic Care
3:12:05acupuncture or other body work for
3:12:06helping the nervous system yeah these
3:12:08are great techniques and that's part of
3:12:10the reason we've added this foam rolling
3:12:12module to our rebuilt your nervous
3:12:14system program that you guys are all
3:12:16getting access to uh is because
3:12:18sometimes that physical feedback into
3:12:19the body you know just really can make a
3:12:22difference so um massage is great uh
3:12:26acupuncture is is wonderful I'm all for
3:12:28acupuncture Chiropractic Care um I would
3:12:32just be cautious with what chiropractor
3:12:35you go to um I am not a fan of to just
3:12:38like pop you and get you out of the
3:12:40office kind of chiropractors right um
3:12:43I've actually seen people have their
3:12:44disautonomia symptoms get worse go going
3:12:47to chiropractors like that so you want
3:12:48to find someone who's very gentle um
3:12:51maybe someone who just more like cranos
3:12:52sacral style um or there's a um a uh
3:12:58designation called
3:13:00nuca nuca chiropractor who work more
3:13:02with the fascia um those can be really
3:13:05helpful yeah so just just depends on who
3:13:07you go
3:13:10to Robin how do we lower our stress
3:13:13levels when they are caused by our
3:13:14symptoms and being sick yeah this a a
3:13:17great question Robin and I know a lot of
3:13:18people sometimes feel like they're
3:13:19trapped in a corner with this right so
3:13:21totally understandable but part of it is
3:13:25having a new understanding for what your
3:13:27symptoms mean right because if you think
3:13:30that your body is broken and everything
3:13:32is going wrong and your body is
3:13:34betraying you of course that's going to
3:13:36be stressful but if you can see oh my
3:13:38gosh my body is talking to me and it's
3:13:41telling me exactly what I need to do to
3:13:43heal and all I need to do is work with
3:13:45it you might be having the exact same
3:13:47symptoms and suddenly there it's not as
3:13:50stressful right um so a lot of it is the
3:13:53mindset
3:13:54shift um and uh melan's gonna be talking
3:13:58about that more in a
3:14:01minute Bonnie I have done the trauma
3:14:03work several times and thought I
3:14:04recovered only to get worse later was I
3:14:06not totally healed from trauma and try
3:14:07to jump back in too soon could the
3:14:10trauma and disregulation be from neck or
3:14:11a structural issue and not trauma the
3:14:15brain retraining program say all need to
3:14:17do is brain retrain and recover why do
3:14:19some get better only with brain
3:14:20retraining all right so there's a few
3:14:21things here let me start at the
3:14:23beginning um so I I can't tell you
3:14:25Bonnie um you know just from your
3:14:27comment if you actually healed from your
3:14:29trauma or not um maybe not you know it's
3:14:33possible sometimes we think like oh yeah
3:14:34I worked through that but there's like a
3:14:36deeper layer we didn't really get to
3:14:38that's still there so that is possible
3:14:41um but again this is why I really
3:14:44emphasize the gut brain axis you can do
3:14:47do drama work and somatic release and
3:14:49I've seen people do this right I just
3:14:51mentioned with the brain retraining or
3:14:53they've gone to a somatic therapist and
3:14:54they're still sick and they're still
3:14:56sick and they've never addressed the gut
3:14:58right and then as soon as they start
3:15:00getting more um balanced
3:15:04signals from the chemicals that the gut
3:15:06bacteria are releasing going straight
3:15:08into their nervous system as soon as
3:15:10that becomes balanced oh now suddenly
3:15:13the trauma therapy is taking right so
3:15:15again this is why we really need to do
3:15:17both but yes um if you have a structural
3:15:20issue if you have an injury or a part of
3:15:23your body that is very out of alignment
3:15:26I mean that is a that is stressful for
3:15:28the body yeah so we do need to address
3:15:30those things um and you
3:15:33know people recover doing all kinds of
3:15:37things Bonnie it's amazing humans are
3:15:40amazing and there are absolutely people
3:15:43who just change their mindset you know
3:15:46and start a gratitude journal and they
3:15:48just get better there's also people that
3:15:51like just cut gluten out of their diet
3:15:53or just start a vitamin C supplement and
3:15:54it's like oh that's all my body needed
3:15:56now I'm better so I am stoked for those
3:16:00people like bless them that's incredible
3:16:02their body just need a little nudge you
3:16:05know to start healing so so that's
3:16:06amazing um people who come to classes
3:16:09like this generally are not those people
3:16:11we need a little more um but yeah it can
3:16:14totally happen
3:16:17uh Chris water aerobics as a low impact
3:16:21exercise um that could be good I would
3:16:23just be concerned a little bit about
3:16:25public pools uh having a lot of chlorine
3:16:28in the water and uh probably fluoride as
3:16:32well which is really uh not not awesome
3:16:35for us um but but hypothetically like
3:16:38you find a saltwater pool or something
3:16:40that'd be
3:16:44great Robin is asking it's really hard
3:16:46not to ruminate when you feel sick at
3:16:47every waking moment how do we stop our
3:16:49brains from focusing on symptoms when
3:16:51they are so prevalent you know what
3:16:53that's a great segue I'm GNA turn it
3:16:55over to Melanie and she'll tell you
3:16:57exactly
3:16:59how all
3:17:02right let me get this back up
3:17:18okay let me full screen
3:17:25this okay go for
3:17:28it right all right so this subject is
3:17:33super near and dear to my heart
3:17:37um I myself was like
3:17:42extremely uh disregulated in the nervous
3:17:45system Department though I didn't
3:17:47understand that that's what was
3:17:49happening um I
3:17:51had just um a lot of neurological
3:17:55symptoms
3:17:56so this this is just super super near
3:18:00and dear to me so brain R trining and
3:18:04using neuromeditation and
3:18:07EFT um okay so why do we need to retrain
3:18:11the
3:18:14brain so due to habitual experiences of
3:18:17stress and Trauma the innate negativity
3:18:20bias we all have grow
3:18:25stronger okay so I'm going to give an
3:18:28analogy
3:18:30um when we experience bad things in
3:18:35life and we develop that negativity bias
3:18:39and we're always looking for that
3:18:41negative and our
3:18:43brain it's like uh if you can imagine
3:18:47like um like um a tobogan a tobogan like
3:18:51sledding slope and that packed snow
3:18:57eventually as the sleds go down it it
3:19:00gets Slicker and Slicker and Slicker and
3:19:02it turns to ice and it's hard and it's
3:19:05really fast and those those those guys
3:19:07are just zipping right down
3:19:10there this is what happens when we
3:19:13experience a trauma or neg a lot lot of
3:19:17negativity in our lives and our brain
3:19:21develops these neural Pathways and they
3:19:26are associated with the with all this
3:19:29negativity
3:19:30and when we then we kind of just start
3:19:34focusing on the all the negative and
3:19:36then those th those neurop Pathways just
3:19:39get Slicker and Slicker and faster and
3:19:42faster and that stuff just keeps coming
3:19:44in coming in coming in and it's a
3:19:47vicious cycle and it's kind of hard to
3:19:49stop and quite frankly I didn't even
3:19:54realize how much negativity was circling
3:19:57around in my brain until it was brought
3:19:59to my
3:20:00attention once I became aware of it then
3:20:05I could start catching some of these
3:20:09thoughts
3:20:12um I personally did dnrs
3:20:18I I think it's a good program but um I
3:20:23needed more and it was kind of rigid in
3:20:28my opinion and so though I got some
3:20:34better I still needed more and maybe a
3:20:39in a different way than they are
3:20:43teaching and that's my opinion on dnrs
3:20:46okay
3:20:48so um so this is all mapped clearly in
3:20:52research right like this is this has
3:20:55been researched investigating brain wave
3:20:57activity the the prefrontal cortex is
3:21:02this the
3:21:03self-regulation area shrinks the amydala
3:21:06the emotional memory
3:21:10grows
3:21:12and this is what's happening when we're
3:21:14experiencing like this scary stuff right
3:21:17like our self-regulation kind of shrinks
3:21:19and goes out the window it's just not
3:21:21prominent and strong for us and the
3:21:23amydala just kind of takes over and
3:21:25we've got all
3:21:26this um um negative emotional stuff
3:21:29associated with it and that just keeps
3:21:31growing and it just really exacerbates
3:21:33the problem these brain States or
3:21:37overactivity and underactivity in
3:21:39certain parts of the brain cause
3:21:40habitual beliefs assumptions thoughts
3:21:44and patterns of behavior
3:21:47these become deeply ingrained over time
3:21:49just like that ski slope I was just
3:21:51talking about it just gets slick and
3:21:55really fast and very
3:21:57ingrained so we must exercise our brain
3:22:00to regrow new neural
3:22:03Pathways and support to support our
3:22:09recovery now I feel like one of the
3:22:13first steps in doing that is recognizing
3:22:18that you're doing that you know you have
3:22:21to first recognize that it's a thing and
3:22:23catching those negative thoughts because
3:22:25they're so
3:22:27habitual you don't even know you're
3:22:29doing it and some of the things that I
3:22:31would say to myself I would never say to
3:22:34someone else and when I started to
3:22:36become aware of what I was saying to
3:22:39myself I was appalled and
3:22:44um y'all your cells in your body are
3:22:48listening to you they are listening to
3:22:50you they hear your thoughts and they
3:22:53respond appropriately
3:22:55so um and I'll say this too I totally I
3:23:01could not agree more with Jen
3:23:04about balancing your gut brain axis I
3:23:09strongly feel after having been as sick
3:23:12as I
3:23:13was um I strongly feel that
3:23:17rebalancing your microbiome is a must
3:23:21it's just a must because when I started
3:23:23rebalancing my microbiome I started
3:23:26noticing that my thoughts were not so
3:23:29negative I I just felt lighter which
3:23:33then allowed me to start practicing some
3:23:36of this brain exercising that catapulted
3:23:39me even
3:23:41further so I feel like it all works
3:23:45synergistically together y'all it really
3:23:48really does and that's why we address
3:23:51things so
3:23:54holistically okay
3:24:00next okay so meditation is one of the
3:24:04most well studied ancient methods of
3:24:08retraining the
3:24:09brain text techniques used in meditation
3:24:13actually shift the activity and
3:24:15wavelength of our brain state so yeah
3:24:19y'all meditation can be beautiful and
3:24:23wonderful sometimes early on we might be
3:24:26a little agitated so we might find it
3:24:28hard to sit and meditate but eventually
3:24:32when you rebalance your gut brain axis
3:24:36and you do a little bit of work with the
3:24:38nervous system um and you keep trying
3:24:41you can get
3:24:44there meditation however is often taught
3:24:47in an inaccessible way to people with
3:24:49chronic illness and neurode Divergence
3:24:52which often comes
3:24:54together and that's just kind of what I
3:24:56was just kind of alluding to you know
3:24:59it's really I don't know I could
3:25:02probably ask for a show of hands how
3:25:04many of you tried neuromeditation or any
3:25:07meditation um not maybe specifically
3:25:09neuromeditation but meditation in
3:25:11general when you first when you're told
3:25:14oh do this it will help you and you sit
3:25:17down and you you just can't even sit
3:25:19still because you are so antsy in your
3:25:21own skin you can't you can't even sit
3:25:23with yourself because it's
3:25:27uncomfortable um you're you're noticing
3:25:30your body hurting your brain is
3:25:32squirreling and you're like oh I really
3:25:34this is useless I'm just sitting here I
3:25:36should be doing this I should be doing
3:25:38that
3:25:40and you just um you get sidetracked and
3:25:44you sit there for 30 seconds or a minute
3:25:45and you're like yeah I just I it's too
3:25:48uncomfortable because all these things
3:25:50start coming up right it's actually kind
3:25:52of what we want
3:25:54though okay so meditation is not a
3:25:57one-size fits-all approach okay so um
3:26:02Jen's husband Mike teaches meditation
3:26:06beautifully he is so good and he's so
3:26:10gentle
3:26:11about how he teaches
3:26:14meditation and he's really good about
3:26:17explaining why he's utilizing certain
3:26:21types of medit like certain types of
3:26:23meditation he's really good y'all I
3:26:27highly recommend booking a session with
3:26:29him if you can ever if you ever see fit
3:26:32to do so because he's super
3:26:38compassionate the modality
3:26:40neuromeditation developed by Dr Jeff
3:26:43tant addresses these concerns by
3:26:46appropriately stacking specific skills
3:26:49in a more accessible Manner and this is
3:26:51what Mike does he's very good some of
3:26:55these skills are called mindfulness
3:26:57focus and compassion which are taught in
3:27:00our
3:27:02program over time these techniques
3:27:05actually change the patterns in the
3:27:09brain so Jen my screen is also cut off
3:27:12again so I can't see the if I'm missing
3:27:15what I'm missing
3:27:17all right I gotta remember that next
3:27:18time we do these that you can't see the
3:27:20very bottom so um yeah so it's it's just
3:27:23saying that uh these techniques do
3:27:26change the patterns in the brain um and
3:27:28because the patterns in the brain
3:27:30dictate our thoughts and reactions and
3:27:33behaviors um those start to change as
3:27:36well um you know and so for people who
3:27:39are struggling feeling like oh I'm just
3:27:41ruminating all the time I just can't
3:27:42stop thinking about this thing um we
3:27:45have to ex exercise the brain to think
3:27:47differently because this is so ingrained
3:27:49and so we have to do these exercises to
3:27:52help the brain start thinking about
3:27:54things
3:28:01differently so our beliefs about our
3:28:04body can be deeply ingrained in
3:28:08subconscious how many how many times
3:28:11have we gone to the doctor and we're
3:28:15told something is wrong and we are like
3:28:17oh my gosh and we totally own that label
3:28:20and so we've deeply ingrained it um
3:28:23we've got things that are super deep in
3:28:25our sub subconscious that we are not
3:28:27even aware of I mean it's an excavation
3:28:30y'all and it takes
3:28:33time we may have emotional blocks that
3:28:36complicate our ability to fully dive
3:28:38into a meditation practice which is
3:28:41probably why you get really squirmy when
3:28:44things just start to
3:28:46you start to feel you start to feel some
3:28:48of that
3:28:51uncomfortableness we do not believe that
3:28:54suppressing our
3:28:55traumas negative beliefs or fears is
3:28:59helpful to a truly sustainable recovery
3:29:03so Jen said this earlier and about how
3:29:09you know we kind of brought up and
3:29:11taught to oh Shake It Off you're all
3:29:14right you know
3:29:16stop your crying you're fine you're fine
3:29:18and you're just like stuff it in stuff
3:29:20it in stuff it in you know and
3:29:24um that stuff gets stored inside and we
3:29:29were not ever in our
3:29:32culture it's quite prominent anyway but
3:29:35we weren't ever allowed to really fully
3:29:39feel what we were feeling in that
3:29:42moment it felt um
3:29:46oh what's the word I'm looking for
3:29:50just it's not popping in right at the
3:29:52moment but it just does not feel good
3:29:55okay we didn't feel
3:29:59supported in a trusting environment to
3:30:02fully feel our feelings like we weren't
3:30:04fully allowed to feel that storm inside
3:30:07because we were told to stuff
3:30:10it and so as we grew up we kept stuffing
3:30:13it because we feel felt like um
3:30:17nobody could fully handle our storm you
3:30:19know what I mean so these is these
3:30:22issues they must be acknowledged and
3:30:24addressed and processed through until
3:30:27resolution is
3:30:29reached and then we can bring in new
3:30:33beliefs and build those and as we get a
3:30:37little wiggle room even just a little
3:30:40bit that's all we need we just need a
3:30:42little
3:30:43in and a little wiggle
3:30:46room to start being able to get a little
3:30:50light and find that
3:30:53gratitude okay
3:31:01Jen
3:31:02assumptions uh of EFT okay so
3:31:07um I'm am G to talk about
3:31:11e this is something that I work with um
3:31:15it is is emotional Freedom
3:31:18technique
3:31:20so this works similarly as acupuncture
3:31:24only we're using acupressure so instead
3:31:27of going to have needles stuck in your
3:31:29skin you can actually um just tap on
3:31:32certain places on your body and get the
3:31:36same effect um maybe with many of you
3:31:40you have already heard of EFT tapping
3:31:42emotional Freedom
3:31:43technique um it's been super
3:31:45instrumental in helping uh with my
3:31:49nervous system regulation so I love it
3:31:52and it is um like Jen mentioned with uh
3:31:58TR how it is cumulative I find that eftt
3:32:02is the same way the more you do it the
3:32:03more effective it is so EFT Works to
3:32:07harmonize what is going on in each part
3:32:10of our body systems we are
3:32:13neutralizing our thoughts emotions first
3:32:17and then and sending in new information
3:32:22after so once again our body is
3:32:26self-healing and it is
3:32:29self-regulating we just have to give it
3:32:31the right things the we have to support
3:32:34it in in a loving way with the nutrient
3:32:37dense
3:32:38diet um and the proper self-care and I
3:32:43finally figured out that self care is
3:32:46not eating Bond bonds and binging out on
3:32:48Netflix it's actually turning off the TV
3:32:51and going for a walk even when I don't
3:32:53feel like it or don't want to because I
3:32:54know it's best for
3:32:58me our body systems are not separate but
3:33:01work synergistically
3:33:04together just like what Jen said earlier
3:33:07um we really can't separate our systems
3:33:10I know doctors like to separate our
3:33:12systems but we are a whole body our
3:33:16whole body every system works
3:33:19synergistically together it's not just
3:33:22this system or that system it's all
3:33:27together each body system amplifies the
3:33:30health of the other EFT has
3:33:34been
3:33:36um um pop off there EFT has been
3:33:40clinically demonstrated to reverse
3:33:42physical mental emotional illness and
3:33:46symptoms y'all there's studies about
3:33:48this and how helpful it's been um for
3:33:51folks that have utilized it chosen to
3:33:55utilize it and utilize it even in
3:34:00conjunction with medication or even
3:34:02without but um the goal would always be
3:34:05without
3:34:06right
3:34:11okay okay so how does it work so EFT
3:34:14helps reverse the infl inflammatory and
3:34:17toxic effects of stress fears traumas
3:34:21past abuse negative habits or behaviors
3:34:24and remember our experiences and
3:34:27relationships can be a toxin like we're
3:34:31so used to watching our environment and
3:34:35what are we exposing ourselves to and
3:34:37watching our food and that is all 100%
3:34:41on point but we also have to remember
3:34:45that our thoughts are toxic too they can
3:34:49be super toxic and like I already said
3:34:52our cells hear that and
3:34:56respond appropriately to the messages
3:34:59you're sending
3:35:00it eftt sends new information to the
3:35:03brain about thoughts ideas emotions and
3:35:08memories
3:35:10um EFT decreases cortisol and other
3:35:13stress hormones and lowers in
3:35:17inflammation this has been a really big
3:35:20one for cortisol and stress like it it's
3:35:25really really helped me a lot EFT
3:35:27increases immune
3:35:29function it helps with the production of
3:35:32our feel-good neurotransmitters
3:35:34including oxytocin dopamine and
3:35:37endorphins so um when I was first
3:35:41starting
3:35:42out and I was so squirrly with sitting
3:35:45down to actually try to do
3:35:48meditation um
3:35:50EFT was a wonderful segue a wonderful
3:35:55Bridge because when we're stuck in that
3:35:58fight ORF flight and it's hard for us to
3:36:01sit
3:36:02still um and we feel like we have to be
3:36:04doing something or moving or um checking
3:36:08out scrolling Doom scrolling or whatever
3:36:11our whatever it is that day um
3:36:17I myself am a so very type A and I found
3:36:20it hard to sit still so and I felt like
3:36:23me sitting there doing
3:36:24nothing just trying to be calm with
3:36:26meditation was too hard so EFT was a
3:36:32wonderful Bridge because I was moving
3:36:36and I was tapping these points and Jen
3:36:39also does thing um uh grounding into
3:36:42your bones so we'll do a lot of tapping
3:36:46on ourselves to really get
3:36:48grounded and Tapping For Me emotional
3:36:53Freedom technique um was an outlet for
3:36:56that too it made me feel more grounded
3:36:58it made me feel because I was active
3:37:00actively moving like I was doing
3:37:03something rather than sitting and doing
3:37:12nothing so we move through the negative
3:37:15negative or fear based beliefs first so
3:37:19the psychiatrist and psychologist Milton
3:37:21Erikson said this all transformation
3:37:25starts by stating what is
3:37:28true
3:37:30and I could with dnrs I felt like they
3:37:34were wanting me to to override all this
3:37:39crappy stuff that was going on in my
3:37:40mind and just only focus on the positive
3:37:44and so it was like toxic positivity fine
3:37:48fine I'm really fine well Meanwhile my
3:37:51insides are screening
3:37:53hey this is not fine and I don't like
3:37:57what's happening to me so I it was like
3:37:59denying part of myself and I was angry
3:38:01about it
3:38:03so first we have to acknowledge and say
3:38:08what's true and what was true for me in
3:38:10that moment was I feel like absolute dog
3:38:14poop and and I feel like I'm never going
3:38:17to get better I feel like I'm a special
3:38:20case and I'm never going to get better
3:38:23I'm too complicated I'm um oh guess what
3:38:27by the way I can have only three things
3:38:29that's where I was I had I only had um
3:38:33ground beef salt and water when like I
3:38:36had my huge massel blow up I had three
3:38:39things and hamburger was
3:38:42one and that's I know traditionally seen
3:38:45as histamine but that's another
3:38:47conversation so um I was angry very
3:38:52angry and I didn't have not let for it
3:38:53and the people around me didn't
3:38:55understand
3:38:56because they weren't experiencing it
3:38:59when I found Jen and this community I
3:39:04felt normal for the first time in years
3:39:08and things started to make sense to me
3:39:10and I felt accepted and
3:39:15feeling
3:39:17accepted was part of my healing
3:39:21path
3:39:23so back to this fear-based beliefs first
3:39:27as I just said I feel like crap and I
3:39:30never I'm never going to get better I'm
3:39:33too sick these were my thoughts so
3:39:37during this period of time things can
3:39:40intensify when we are starting with
3:39:43EFT so when we start tapping things can
3:39:45start bubbling up you can
3:39:48either um your your emotions or your
3:39:52symptoms May
3:39:54intensify they may get better or
3:39:57sometimes folks see nothing in which
3:39:59case you're still stuck in fight or
3:40:04flight and you are
3:40:09um not accepting yet
3:40:13of allow allowing healing to come in
3:40:20so these things can intensify because
3:40:22we're not suppressing any longer we're
3:40:24allowing them to come up and many people
3:40:27are chronically anxious me angry or
3:40:31unhappy but they are not truly
3:40:34themselves to feel the emotions so this
3:40:37is speaking to the storm I was just
3:40:39talking about that is so intense that
3:40:41you're afraid to express because people
3:40:45around you you are feeling so intensely
3:40:48about whatever is going on whether it's
3:40:49an emotion or the pain in your body that
3:40:52they can't handle it they can't handle
3:40:55it because it's that
3:40:57big so we suppress and we keep it in and
3:41:01this is why the the experiences stay
3:41:04stuck when we truly allow and invite the
3:41:07feelings in they move and they flow
3:41:10naturally you may become more aware of
3:41:12things you have been repressing
3:41:15strong somatic Sensations can occur
3:41:17during this
3:41:18work um and this is not something to be
3:41:21feared but rather embraced so sometimes
3:41:23when we're tapping you're G to have a
3:41:26strong emotional response come up you
3:41:28could cry you could get or just um just
3:41:32some tears or you might have a big cry
3:41:35you could start belching you can start
3:41:38yawning you can have a lot of physical
3:41:41Sensations and things bubble up and out
3:41:46while you're tapping because it's
3:41:49finally becoming unstuck in your
3:41:59system so as we move along with the EFT
3:42:02so we acknowledge the crap next we're
3:42:06going to move into Shifting the new
3:42:08beliefs right into something new during
3:42:13this period you may experience little
3:42:15glimmers of New Sensations you can feel
3:42:18this is when you can start getting those
3:42:20little hints of gratitude openness
3:42:22aliveness calmness PE peacefulness even
3:42:25Bliss like when I first started tapping
3:42:28and after I released you know started
3:42:31getting some release with some of my
3:42:33heavy
3:42:34emotions that's when I could be like
3:42:36okay I still feel like crap but I found
3:42:40a
3:42:41community you know it it only takes 2%
3:42:45y'all just a glimmer just a 2% glimmer
3:42:49we just need a a little bit because then
3:42:52that light will
3:42:54grow remember we are not forcing or
3:42:58pushing these experiences we are
3:43:01allowing them Jen mentioned the word
3:43:03allowing not forcing
3:43:06because that sends the wrong message to
3:43:09your
3:43:10body we're allowing them to arise
3:43:13naturally as we go through the process
3:43:15and I'll be honest there's there's been
3:43:17days where I'm like I I'm going to tap
3:43:20and nothing happens and I'm like okay
3:43:23nothing happens today and I move on
3:43:26and when I am when my body is ready to
3:43:30release another emotion another layer of
3:43:33the onion typically I will find
3:43:39um an EFT video that pops up and it's
3:43:42just the right thing that day or
3:43:46something is said maybe out and about
3:43:49and it just catches my attention just
3:43:51right but it will come up also I would
3:43:56like to say with EFT sometimes it can be
3:43:59delayed you can do the tapping and you
3:44:02go about your business thinking nothing
3:44:04is wrong or or not wrong but nothing is
3:44:07Shifting um and half an hour later or
3:44:11maybe even a couple hours later you find
3:44:14yourself very emotional and you're
3:44:16wanting to cry and you're like where the
3:44:19heck did this come from this has
3:44:21happened to me quite a few times and I'm
3:44:23like what in the world is happening
3:44:24right now then I'm like oh my gosh I was
3:44:29doing some tapping on something a little
3:44:31heavy earlier I think it's finally
3:44:37shifting um also with this um the things
3:44:44that we are going to work work on when
3:44:46your symptoms are speaking to you this
3:44:49is all about mindset
3:44:53y'all we are used
3:44:56to thinking in our mind when our
3:44:59symptoms are screaming at us and we are
3:45:01in a lot of pain and we are not well
3:45:03that day we are used to thinking my
3:45:06body's against me my body hates me life
3:45:10is against me why is this happening to
3:45:13me and
3:45:15instead in order to start making those
3:45:18little shifts where we aren't maybe
3:45:21seeing our body as attacking us or
3:45:25against us we have to start making the
3:45:29new belief declare the new belief that
3:45:34this isn't against me once you start
3:45:36getting in a program and you start
3:45:39working the program and you know you're
3:45:40doing everything
3:45:43right when you're still having symptoms
3:45:46you say to
3:45:48yourself oh I'm doing everything right I
3:45:52know I'm doing everything right these
3:45:54symptoms that I'm experiencing while
3:45:57they are
3:45:58uncomfortable my body is actually
3:46:01healing right now and that's okay I can
3:46:05this is where I am right
3:46:07now so we start making these mental
3:46:09shifts right and we just need
3:46:132% so once we've move through our
3:46:15emotional blockages uh the
3:46:17neuromeditation practices are way more
3:46:20approachable and you can sit with them
3:46:22and they become very effective and they
3:46:26work synergistically
3:46:32together so some people will say but
3:46:35I've done meditation or tapping and
3:46:37nothing
3:46:39happened number one you may not have
3:46:43been allowing the shift kind of already
3:46:46spoke to that a little bit many of us
3:46:48hold on to our beliefs and thinking
3:46:51patterns like an identity I didn't think
3:46:54this was me this was totally me okay
3:46:56this was totally
3:46:57me even if it is uncomfortable it's what
3:47:01we know and the unknown is unknown and
3:47:06so it's scary and so our subconscious
3:47:08mind doesn't want us to go there because
3:47:10it's unknown what's going to happen you
3:47:13know so it keeps us small and
3:47:17contracted and
3:47:20um when Jen was talking about the
3:47:24contraction of physical tissues this
3:47:27also happens
3:47:30emotionally you can feel emotional
3:47:33contraction and you can also feel
3:47:35emotionally open and this is where the
3:47:38healing
3:47:41comes um let's see so ch change can be
3:47:45frightening even if it is ultimately
3:47:47going to help us we can but we can work
3:47:51with you to help uncover these remaining
3:47:54blockages okay this is the
3:47:56meditation um the TR the eft the stuff
3:48:01these tools and their tools really do
3:48:06help number two time and consistency and
3:48:09Jen already
3:48:11said you know consistency is key here it
3:48:14is so key commit to yourself commit to
3:48:17your body make that promise and let your
3:48:21body allow your body
3:48:25to see you demonstrating and following
3:48:28through your caregiving of
3:48:32it it often takes three to six months of
3:48:35consistency in these practices to start
3:48:37to feel shifts in the brain just like
3:48:40you don't become a bodybuilder after one
3:48:42afternoon in the gym patience and
3:48:45practice are so key you know it's um
3:48:48building those new neural Pathways and
3:48:50every time we have a session every time
3:48:52we do that little mind shift um
3:48:55eventually the Mind shifts the positive
3:48:58mind shifts get bigger because those new
3:49:01neural pathways are being built and
3:49:03those slopes will get Slicker and
3:49:05Slicker and so they will come easier and
3:49:07easier as you
3:49:09go okay
3:49:23awesome oops so I know we have a lot of
3:49:25questions and I want to get to those but
3:49:27I was actually thinking maybe we should
3:49:29talk about the program briefly first and
3:49:32then we'll go back to the Q&A so then if
3:49:34people have to leave we can go as long
3:49:36as we need to to wrap up the
3:49:38questions um so let me just share again
3:49:44so we'll get to your questions dra in a
3:49:46minute just hold with us for another
3:49:48moment just want to make sure you have
3:49:50access to our
3:49:53offerings
3:49:55um and I love this slide I made this
3:49:58this is um just some of our clients you
3:50:01can see Melanie and Me in there as well
3:50:03as our um coach Sally as well and these
3:50:06are a lot of clients who have been
3:50:08willing to share their stories uh on my
3:50:11YouTube channel um so it's just a small
3:50:14smidget of some of our our wonderful um
3:50:16very inspiring recovery stories so do
3:50:19you have not been on my YouTube channel
3:50:21I really encourage you to do that it's
3:50:23just whole body healing with Jen is the
3:50:25handle and there's a playlist called
3:50:27interviews um and there's interview with
3:50:29Melanie up there actually and there's
3:50:30interviews with all these all these
3:50:31lovely folks as
3:50:33well so uh as I mentioned before um you
3:50:37guys are going to from coming to this
3:50:40master class you will get access to our
3:50:42meal plan and to our rebuild your ner a
3:50:44system course with the meditations and
3:50:47the tapping um on there so you'll
3:50:49already have access to all the basic
3:50:51tools that we have talked about today um
3:50:53just to self-guide that on your own um
3:50:57but we do want to pitch our immune
3:50:59resilience program as well this is a
3:51:02six-month coaching program um that can
3:51:05be done either as group classes only or
3:51:09group classes plus one-on ones with
3:51:12Melanie so uh you really get an immense
3:51:16amount of support through this process
3:51:19um when you come into this uh program so
3:51:22it is a six-month commitment and that's
3:51:25because you know just like Melania was
3:51:26saying like well sometimes it takes
3:51:27three to six months to see any
3:51:29Improvement I mean that's true for
3:51:30everything we do we are really asking
3:51:32you to dig deep and do some really
3:51:35profound healing and because we're
3:51:36trying to Pace that and be gentle and
3:51:38not overload your system um it does
3:51:41often take six months of consistency to
3:51:43start to see real improvements um
3:51:45although there are plenty of people who
3:51:47feel improvements uh sooner than that uh
3:51:49but we just like to give you that uh
3:51:51that six-month buffer because so much
3:51:54can happen during the first six months
3:51:56of doing the kind of healing we're
3:51:57talking about can be really nice to just
3:51:59have a program in place where you know
3:52:01you're going to get that regular support
3:52:04and so the the foundation of our immune
3:52:06resilience program is you get uh access
3:52:09to group classes on Zoom um they are
3:52:11recorded so you know if you work during
3:52:13the day and some of the class classes
3:52:14Air at times you can't attend live um we
3:52:17have them up we have the replays up for
3:52:19usually about a week after the class
3:52:22airs so you can go back and watch it um
3:52:25and then you also get access to a much
3:52:28more in-depth
3:52:29curriculum uh as well that goes through
3:52:32everything we talked about today but
3:52:33just a little more deeper and in depth
3:52:36um so you get six classes six group
3:52:40classes every month with the immune
3:52:41resilience program so basically one to
3:52:44two classes a week um so we have four
3:52:46regular classes one on nutrition once on
3:52:50lifestyle practices one on theur either
3:52:54the neuromeditation um or the EFT and
3:52:58one on trauma release so you get a class
3:53:01on each of those topics every month plus
3:53:04we have a bonus class where we talk
3:53:06about like a bonus topic that might be
3:53:08helpful for folks every month and you do
3:53:10get an office hours every month so this
3:53:13is a chance for you to um in a group
3:53:15setting and check in with a coach we
3:53:17rotate on who takes the office hours um
3:53:19but everyone usually gets about 10 to 15
3:53:21minutes to troubles shoot what's going
3:53:23on with a coach so that's all included
3:53:25in the um foundations um curriculum if
3:53:29you're just doing the the basic offering
3:53:31um there's also a community Forum which
3:53:33is a really lovely positive space and
3:53:35it's a great resource you know to
3:53:37troubleshoot and ask questions if you
3:53:39need to have an answer we have coaches
3:53:40checking it usually I think six days a
3:53:42week so if you need a quick answer to a
3:53:45question um you can get that there we
3:53:48really pride ourselves in keeping that
3:53:50Community fear free um so we we do
3:53:53sometimes ask people to rephrase their
3:53:54questions on that you know because we
3:53:56really want to promote a positive
3:53:58environment um so uh yeah that's the
3:54:02nuts and bolts of the program and so you
3:54:04get all that with just the uh the the
3:54:07basic package um but we're also offering
3:54:11a tier two right now um where you can do
3:54:17all of those classes and access to all
3:54:19that curriculum and all that Community
3:54:21Plus getting six one-on-one sessions
3:54:23with Melanie and that can be used to
3:54:25individualize your protocol I know a lot
3:54:27of people do feel like they're an
3:54:29unusual case or a complex case um and I
3:54:32assure you we get pretty much everyone
3:54:34that comes in you know feels like
3:54:36they're the unusual complex case and and
3:54:38you know you are I mean that is the
3:54:39reality a lot of practitioners wouldn't
3:54:41know what to do with you guys but um you
3:54:43know you're are bread and butter we're
3:54:45used to that but because of that you
3:54:47know it may feel nice to have that extra
3:54:49support to be able to go get that
3:54:50one-on-one session with Melanie have her
3:54:52go through your health history and
3:54:54troubleshoot to make sure she knows you
3:54:57know um exactly what nutrition protocol
3:55:01that you need to be starting with and
3:55:03exactly what supplements if anything you
3:55:05know what you need to be prioritizing
3:55:07plus she can do one-on-one EFT tapping
3:55:10sessions with you which she's so gifted
3:55:12at I just loved hearing you uh talk
3:55:14about EFT because you have just so much
3:55:16expertise and passion with that and so
3:55:18if you feel like you want more
3:55:21individualized you know EFT tapping
3:55:23coaching she can use some of those
3:55:24sessions for that as well um so we have
3:55:27a really good price for this um you can
3:55:30do a payment plan of 267 every month for
3:55:33six months as a payment plan or we give
3:55:35you a little discount if you're able to
3:55:37pay in full Upfront for 1400s and she's
3:55:40got five openings um and so uh what I'm
3:55:43going to do I'm going to put the links
3:55:45to the sign up in the chat uh just so if
3:55:48anyone here knows like yep sign me up I
3:55:51want to work with Melanie absolutely
3:55:52start me right now um You can make sure
3:55:54you get one of those five spots and I
3:55:56will also put a link up to the tier one
3:55:58you know if you just want to do the
3:55:59group classes for now um that's also an
3:56:02option and even if you do the tier one
3:56:04and then you decide actually maybe I
3:56:06need a one-on-one session um you are
3:56:09able to just book a oneoff one-on-one
3:56:11session with Melanie as well so that is
3:56:13still an option
3:56:15I think yeah that's it okay so let me
3:56:18put those offers in the chat so like I
3:56:20said if anyone is uh really rear and go
3:56:23they can make sure they Reserve their
3:56:25spot um and then we will get to the
3:56:28questions so give me one
3:56:29[Music]
3:56:36moment
3:56:39okay there are all four options
3:56:46and let's get back
3:56:50to
3:56:52question Julia me yeah I know we can all
3:56:54relate to this right I love it
3:56:59yeah oh Jody thank you for sharing a
3:57:01breathing meditation helps her counts in
3:57:04five and out five yeah sometimes that
3:57:07equal inhale and exhale can be a really
3:57:09nice reset for the nervous system that's
3:57:11a great tip
3:57:17jod is dried lemon bomm okay uh well yes
3:57:21so I mean lemon bombs a lovely herb it
3:57:23can really uplift the mood um as Melanie
3:57:26was mentioning earlier we try to limit
3:57:28uh dried herbs um when people are
3:57:30starting out just because it can raise
3:57:33histamine levels so if people are really
3:57:34unstable in their symptoms we want to
3:57:37minimize that but if you're doing okay
3:57:39with it lemon Bob balm is a a lovely
3:57:41herb
3:57:46ah faith is asking about hypoglycemia
3:57:50and safely doing the diet um I know we
3:57:53answered this uh earlier but we can just
3:57:55reiterate um I had hypoglycemia too and
3:57:59now I don't and Melanie you know she had
3:58:03hypoglycemia too and now she doesn't so
3:58:05the funny thing about hypoglycemia is
3:58:07again this is actually metabolic
3:58:09inflexibility so we should be able to go
3:58:13without food for for weeks without ever
3:58:15getting low blood sugar if we are
3:58:16metabolically healthy right like if you
3:58:18think about ancestral times like there
3:58:20would have been times when we would have
3:58:22had very scarce food um and we can't
3:58:24just faint from low blood sugar and
3:58:26survive in the wild right uh so humans
3:58:29are built with metabolic flexibility and
3:58:31so hypoglycemia is a sign of metabolic
3:58:34dysfunction and actually is resolved on
3:58:37a low carb diet uh because it helps your
3:58:39body remember how to use fat as an
3:58:42alternate source of fuel um however with
3:58:45hypoglycemia depending on how severe it
3:58:47is we would just want to transition you
3:58:49really slowly uh so your body can
3:58:56adjust uh okay Faith is asking can
3:58:59antihistamines make mcast
3:59:02worse uh so it depends on the type of
3:59:08antihistamine
3:59:10um if it's an H2 blocker this can
3:59:13suppress stomach acid and it's going to
3:59:15make you more susceptible to developing
3:59:17more gut infections and nutrient
3:59:20deficiencies so yes in that way uh other
3:59:24antihistamines such as zerc Claritin
3:59:26algra they are harsh on the gut lining
3:59:29um and so they could exacerbate leaky
3:59:32guts so yes uh that doesn't mean that
3:59:37you shouldn't take into histamines as
3:59:38Melanie was sharing earlier um we don't
3:59:42want you to just cut off your
3:59:43antihistamine me use you know especially
3:59:46if your symptoms are really severe at
3:59:47first um but once your symptoms start to
3:59:51stabilize you can start to try titrate
3:59:56off thank you faith for your
3:59:59appreciation yeah yeah I know it is
4:00:02helpful when you feel like you can can
4:00:03relate right yeah
4:00:08absolutely um Melanie do you want to
4:00:10take this question from Megan it's more
4:00:12about EFT tapping so I think you'd be
4:00:13better at answering
4:00:15it oh you have to unmute
4:00:19yourself just got the
4:00:21message unmute yourself okay I've just
4:00:25recently started EFT tapping but haven't
4:00:27done much research on it this info will
4:00:30be so helpful moving forward wonderful
4:00:32do you think I can make shifts on my own
4:00:35in 3 to six months or is it pretty
4:00:36important to work with a consultant for
4:00:39best results okay um I totally think you
4:00:43can make some strides in the right
4:00:45direction on your own 100% I do
4:00:48especially there's um there's a few
4:00:51practitioners that I would really
4:00:53recommend um one of them her name is
4:00:55Julie schiffman and she's on YouTube and
4:00:58some of her um her scripts really
4:01:04focus I don't know she just the way she
4:01:06words her scripts really get to the
4:01:08heart of the matter and so I like her
4:01:10very
4:01:11much um so yeah she would be a good one
4:01:15but there is huge value in working with
4:01:19a
4:01:20consultant at some point if you feel
4:01:23like you need to because you might
4:01:25Plateau you um might be like me and be
4:01:28like oh well I know I've got this issue
4:01:31but I don't know how to get at it you
4:01:33know you you might just need a little
4:01:36handholding um so yeah but I totally
4:01:40think you can make um Headway on your
4:01:43own for a little bit you want for
4:01:45sure yeah and that's why we have so many
4:01:47options for our program I mean this is
4:01:49self-guided content that you all already
4:01:51have access to you know just signing up
4:01:53for tier one with just the group classes
4:01:56in immune resilience we see a lot of
4:01:58people make great progress just doing
4:02:00those things but we also know that some
4:02:02people really do better with more
4:02:04individualized care you know you just
4:02:06need a little more support or maybe
4:02:07things are really complex for you and
4:02:09you just don't even know where to begin
4:02:10or you feel very stuck you know so um it
4:02:13really depends on on you and and knowing
4:02:16yourself and what you
4:02:20need um neuro feedback can be helpful
4:02:24yeah neuro feedback is great if you have
4:02:25access to that I would say go for
4:02:32it oh Megan Have you ever worked with
4:02:35someone who heal but then relapse during
4:02:37pregnancy or postpartum because of all
4:02:39the changes in the immune system
4:02:40hormones Etc advice to keeping mass
4:02:42cells at Bay during pregnancy Beyond
4:02:45what's shared in the
4:02:47training um gosh yeah Megan that's hard
4:02:50because um if it's during pregnancy we
4:02:53do want to be very careful obviously
4:02:55because anything you're doing can affect
4:02:57the fetus and so we're we're pretty
4:02:59cautious we do work with pregnant people
4:03:01and we actually have a pediatric nurse
4:03:03on staff who is also taking clients um
4:03:06who does great working with with
4:03:07pregnant folks so um we can definitely
4:03:10hook you up with her but yeah we're
4:03:12pretty gentle uh working with that um so
4:03:16yeah I mean probably not a whole lot
4:03:18more than we've already shared honestly
4:03:21um just yeah really taking to Heart the
4:03:23gentleness you know doing the
4:03:24interventions but going very slow and
4:03:26gentle with it resting a lot um you know
4:03:29funny enough usually people actually
4:03:31feel like their Mass cell is better when
4:03:33they're pregnant because your immune
4:03:35system suppresses so that you don't
4:03:37reject the fetus right um so a lot of
4:03:40people feel a little better when they're
4:03:42pregnant and then like crash after
4:03:43pregnancy and part of that is because um
4:03:46we deplete a lot of
4:03:48nutrients uh when we're when we're
4:03:51pregnant um because obviously we're
4:03:53giving all these nutrients towards
4:03:54growing a baby and then that can really
4:03:57hit us uh after we give birth and we're
4:04:00just so depleted so I've had quite a few
4:04:02clients come to me who their symptoms
4:04:04got much worse after pregnancy um and
4:04:07mostly that is just replenishing
4:04:10nutrients honestly that's really what it
4:04:12is so really doing a nutrient-dense diet
4:04:15which all of our diets are but it may
4:04:16take some more supplementation as well
4:04:19you know high do supplementation to get
4:04:20on top of
4:04:23that I don't know if you have anything
4:04:24to add that
4:04:26me no I experienced I totally
4:04:30experienced what she's talking about I
4:04:32though I felt better during pregnancy
4:04:35and
4:04:38yeah uh Savannah antibiotics are clearly
4:04:41a problem for all of this what do you
4:04:43recommend for dealing with infections if
4:04:45they come up while dealing with this I
4:04:47know that's tough Savannah and we do
4:04:49sometimes have people um who do get
4:04:52infections early on in their process um
4:04:55and we try to frame that
4:04:58as usually it's an old infection
4:05:01resurfacing right usually it's not that
4:05:03you actually have a new infection
4:05:05usually what it is if you you've had a a
4:05:08long-term infection in the body and as
4:05:10we're supporting your immune system it's
4:05:12like coming up more acutely for your
4:05:14immune system to actually fight off um
4:05:17so we um uh we would just want to really
4:05:21track your symptoms there are natural
4:05:24ways to support your body fighting off
4:05:25an infection and so antibiotics are not
4:05:27always necessary so we would help you
4:05:30look at how severe your symptoms are um
4:05:33obviously if you start getting a very
4:05:35high fever or start feeling faint or you
4:05:38know have any signs at all that things
4:05:40are moving towards sepsis we would want
4:05:42to intervene while long before that so
4:05:45in cases like that where the symptoms
4:05:46are just getting worse and worse uh
4:05:49sometimes you do have to take
4:05:50antibiotics but honestly if you have to
4:05:52take antibiotics these protocols these
4:05:54dietary protocols uh we we use are are
4:05:58like the best things you can be eating
4:06:00if you have to take antibiotics because
4:06:02while we're waiting for your gut to
4:06:04recover from the antibiotics you're not
4:06:07eating anything that's going to feed the
4:06:08candida or feed the disbiosis right so
4:06:11occasionally we do have people have to
4:06:13take antibiotics but usually if you can
4:06:16get through the first 3 to six months
4:06:18your immune system gets so healthy that
4:06:19people just don't really get infections
4:06:21anymore is mostly what I see I don't
4:06:23know about you m
4:06:25but yeah um once I first started the
4:06:29diet I it wasn't long after I first
4:06:31started and things started to
4:06:33recalibrate I had I was sick with a
4:06:36really high a pretty good fever for
4:06:39three or four days but then after that
4:06:41broke I was like holy smokes I feel so
4:06:43much better but it it it came pretty
4:06:45fast um after starting my re
4:06:48recalibration and rebalancing but it was
4:06:50it was probably right there at the
4:06:52surface and it needed to be dealt with
4:06:54so my body took care of
4:06:56it that's funny I also had that
4:06:58experience when I first started cutting
4:06:59the starches out of my diet I had a
4:07:01really high fever for like um a couple
4:07:04days just out of the blue um and then
4:07:07yeah my symptoms were less afterwards
4:07:10yeah interesting
4:07:14uh Robin if you have more pronounced
4:07:16symptoms at certain times of the day
4:07:18regardless of what you eat or what
4:07:19you're doing is that a nervous system
4:07:21thing or some kind of histamine
4:07:23dump um
4:07:27so I would say it's likely a nervous
4:07:30system thing um it could also just be
4:07:33related I mean you know all connected
4:07:36here but you know our stress hormones
4:07:38have kind of an arc through the day
4:07:40right where our stress hormones are
4:07:41supposed to be highest early in the day
4:07:42and then start to come down and so
4:07:44sometimes if you have a reversed stress
4:07:47hormone pattern right and your stress
4:07:48hormones are low in the morning and high
4:07:50later in the evening you might be
4:07:52experiencing more more stress hormones
4:07:54and then more symptoms in the
4:07:56evening um so I want to look at
4:07:58circadian rhythm I think uh as part of
4:08:01part of
4:08:04that Bonnie If you're diagnosed with SS
4:08:07or lime would individual coaching be
4:08:10required to utilize the program no no
4:08:13nothing's required so we really trust
4:08:15people you know like we really trust
4:08:17people to uh kind of pick their own
4:08:20optimal Journey right and so no one
4:08:23really has to do anything right so if
4:08:26you feel like I just want to start with
4:08:27the group classes that is totally fine
4:08:30um we don't have any rules around that
4:08:32if you're feeling like gosh because of
4:08:34my S and lime I feel like I'm going to
4:08:36need more support then you know
4:08:38absolutely book book tier two and and
4:08:40start working with Melanie oneon-one um
4:08:43or even if you don't have that that
4:08:45those issues but you just feel like I
4:08:47just need that extra support like that's
4:08:49totally valid you know so really like
4:08:51look into your heart and just you know
4:08:53decide what what level of support you
4:08:54need and you know we have an option for
4:08:56that whatever it
4:09:02is uh sunny I know I don't think anyone
4:09:05got the email I thought an email went
4:09:06out automatically when people registered
4:09:08but I don't think it did so that was our
4:09:10bad and we are this evening uh going to
4:09:12send out an email with the info to uh
4:09:16access that um so you should have
4:09:18created a login uh when you signed up
4:09:21and so you'll use that login to get into
4:09:24kajabi um which is our platform we use
4:09:27and you should be able to then click on
4:09:29your library um and it should be under
4:09:31there so we'll send out an email with
4:09:33instructions um and then you can reply
4:09:35to it um and I'll have Melanie send it
4:09:38so you can reply to her and she can
4:09:40troubleshoot if anyone's having problems
4:09:46Bonnie do folks with severe CFS get back
4:09:49to more athletic and cardio activity
4:09:51post these
4:09:53programs um yeah very very often um I've
4:09:57had clients who started doing
4:09:59longdistance bike riding um I I started
4:10:03powerlifting after I recovered from my
4:10:05chronic
4:10:06fatigue um so yeah it's absolutely
4:10:08Possible A lot of people do
4:10:15Jody thank
4:10:21you um Sunny after a Year's work on this
4:10:24it seems I'm way more reactive and I can
4:10:26see it's because I went too hard with my
4:10:28diet and added things in too quickly I
4:10:30flare worse during my ludal phase my
4:10:34current ND is suggesting lotos
4:10:36progesterone can hormone regulation help
4:10:38also while healing everything else I
4:10:40fear it might make things worse but I've
4:10:41read massels and progesterone can have a
4:10:43positive
4:10:45correlation so you know honestly Sunny
4:10:48um I just get nervous with any strong
4:10:50supplementation or medication with mcast
4:10:53just because it's very hard to predict
4:10:55people's responses so it absolutely
4:10:58could help you know because of that
4:11:01estrogen and and histamine connection um
4:11:04if we can balance the hormones a little
4:11:05bit just while other things are
4:11:07resolving um you know it certainly might
4:11:10help but I've also seen people have had
4:11:12bad reactions to um to hormone
4:11:15supplements you know whether they're bio
4:11:17identical or not um so you know it's
4:11:20just it's a risk um and I would say you
4:11:23know just probably more gentleness is is
4:11:26probably what you need you know but
4:11:27that's yeah that's definitely going to
4:11:29be your
4:11:32call great thanks Megan I'm Glad You
4:11:40Came Robin if we have tested positive
4:11:43for mot toxins where does detoxing those
4:11:45fit into your protocol or do we wait
4:11:47till the mcast is more under
4:11:49control so here's the
4:11:52thing if you have a balanced
4:11:55microbiome and your liver pathways are
4:11:57properly supported and your nervous
4:11:59system is regulated your body is going
4:12:02to be more likely to release mot
4:12:05toxins just
4:12:08spontaneously right and so yes some
4:12:10people do have a genetic condition
4:12:11called sers which means that certain mot
4:12:14toxins you may have a harder time
4:12:15detoxing people tend to get very
4:12:17fatalistic about that you know and I
4:12:19just don't agree I I see people with
4:12:21that recover so um doing the
4:12:25foundations is the foundation to dealing
4:12:27with the mot toxins right like we have
4:12:30to get your microbiome healthy we have
4:12:32to support your liver detox Pathways we
4:12:34have to get your nervous system
4:12:35regulated if you're going to detox those
4:12:36at all so again this is why so many
4:12:39practitioners are starting up here and
4:12:40then need to start down here we see
4:12:42people all the time who are not doing a
4:12:45diet supportive to rebalancing the gut
4:12:47they have a a very stress stressful
4:12:50lifestyle they're not working on their
4:12:52nervous system and they get given all
4:12:54these mold detox supplements right and
4:12:57and it's a disaster um so very often
4:13:01people end up not having to Target
4:13:03things when they go through our program
4:13:05because the body just resolves it on its
4:13:07own however you know we also have an
4:13:09alumni program so it's not like after
4:13:11six months we send you on your way you
4:13:13can keep working with us as long as you
4:13:14need and we have an alumni program
4:13:16that's for people who have been doing
4:13:18our protocols at least six months um and
4:13:21in in that group it's a it's a smaller
4:13:23group and we can individualize things a
4:13:25lot more and so if we need to Target
4:13:26things like mold more at that point we
4:13:29totally can um but we need to get those
4:13:31foundations
4:13:37first uh Julia what's the difference
4:13:39between vagel work and brain retraining
4:13:42I've heard vagel is a different approach
4:13:44towards getting balance in fight or
4:13:45flight the reason I asked is because of
4:13:47disautonomia yeah so this is kind of
4:13:49like um a top down versus bottom up
4:13:52approach in the nervous system um so
4:13:55brain retraining is actually going to be
4:13:57doing things like the meditation like
4:13:59the neuromeditation techniques um are a
4:14:01form of brain retraining there's a lot
4:14:03of ways to do it but we use
4:14:04neuromeditation primarily as our brain
4:14:06retraining modality and uh that's going
4:14:09to be using specific meditation
4:14:11techniques to start to make those new
4:14:13Pathways right the new tracks and the
4:14:15ski slope that Melanie was talking about
4:14:17so it's actually retraining the Pathways
4:14:19in the brain to get the nervous system
4:14:21to regulate from the top down so that's
4:14:23very important because like Melanie was
4:14:24talking about the different parts of the
4:14:26brain um you know become overactive or
4:14:29under active and we have to exercise the
4:14:31brain
4:14:32appropriately um vagal toning um is uh
4:14:36that's going to be more like the
4:14:38tremoring practice that I was talking
4:14:39about so this is a bottom up this is
4:14:41actually working more with the body and
4:14:42the nervous system and and the level of
4:14:44the vegus nerve which is the the nerve
4:14:47that runs between the gut and the Brain
4:14:49um and so we do so the the TR exercises
4:14:53would be considered a vagal toning
4:14:54exercise the the tremoring the vibration
4:14:57can tone the Vagas
4:14:58nerve um and uh we also do bring in some
4:15:02other vagal toning exercises along with
4:15:04the tremoring um and our nutrient status
4:15:07and our microbiome balance are huge for
4:15:08Vegas nerve toning too so I I think we
4:15:11need both personally
4:15:13um for
4:15:20disautonomia Bonnie many of the S docs
4:15:22refused to treat my gut stating that the
4:15:24mold was causing my gut disposes they
4:15:27stated my gut would just go off again
4:15:29living in mold have you found this was
4:15:31not always the case so I I do recommend
4:15:34that people do not actively live in mold
4:15:37so you do have to take away the source
4:15:40of toxic exposure very often now now if
4:15:43you are in a moldy environment and you
4:15:46cannot move for whatever reason it's not
4:15:49possible I do still see people start to
4:15:52improve by doing the foundations I
4:15:55usually do see that people either have
4:15:56to move or mitigate to fully resolve the
4:16:01mold toxicity right because you're just
4:16:02going to be getting more more exposure
4:16:05um so I do definitely recommend getting
4:16:08away from the mold if you know it's
4:16:10there um but I just don't think it's cut
4:16:13and dry like this like I just don't like
4:16:14people making do dogmatic statements
4:16:17like that because I see people recover
4:16:19in all sorts of situations and um if
4:16:22your immune system is being suppressed
4:16:25by disbiosis how is it supposed to detox
4:16:28mold like it all comes together um so
4:16:31yeah I I don't see that to be the case
4:16:35honestly
4:16:38okay
4:16:40okay okay I think we got to the end
4:16:43there um again thank you so much for
4:16:46coming we're five minutes over so I want
4:16:47to respect people's time I want to wrap
4:16:49up here um but basically uh what's going
4:16:52to happen is I'm going to get this
4:16:54recording uploaded on YouTube I will
4:16:56send out an email to everyone that has
4:16:59the link to this video so you can
4:17:02rewatch it and I'll attach the slides um
4:17:05and I will put in the email all the
4:17:08offers for our immune resilience program
4:17:11uh just the group classes or working
4:17:13with Melanie um definitely sign up for
4:17:15those spots with Melanie as soon as you
4:17:17can if you're interested because it's
4:17:18going to I have a feeling it's going to
4:17:19fill up pretty fast um and so I'll send
4:17:22that in the email um along with um I
4:17:25will have Melanie also uh email everyone
4:17:29and um make sure that uh you can get
4:17:33access to the the courses that you
4:17:34bought with this master class so yeah
4:17:37thank you everyone thanks so much for
4:17:39coming it's been great
4:17:44bye guys

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