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0:00Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome
0:01to the Megan Kelly show. We are live in
0:03Washington DC today. I had to be here to
0:07witness the historic arguments at the US
0:10Supreme Court. I was in the high court
0:12today for the first time in a long time.
0:14My god, when I first started at Fox
0:15News, I was the Supreme Court
0:17correspondent and I that's what I did
0:19for a living. I went over to the Supreme
0:21Court, not every day, but most weeks uh
0:24depended on how big the the argument was
0:26or the case was going up before them.
0:28And for three years I was your humble
0:30correspondent at Fox News Channel and it
0:32was an honor. Um I had just come off of
0:35nearly 10 years practicing law and I
0:36loved loved loved being there. And today
0:41it was cool still but it was a little
0:44boring, not going to lie. Uh but I loved
0:46being there because I loved what was
0:48being argued and this is a hugely hugely
0:51important case. uh the the the question
0:54was basically does a state have the
0:57right to ban biological boys from girls
1:02sports. Uh one case involved the equal
1:05protection clause of the constitution,
1:07one case involved that plus title 9. Um,
1:11and it relates to not just these two
1:13states, Idaho and West Virginia, but 25
1:16other states because 27 states have
1:18passed laws banning biological males who
1:20say they identify as females from
1:22participating in girls sports. Now, this
1:24is not what I would desri describe as
1:27the big kahuna. That case is not yet
1:29there, which is what about the other
1:32states, the 23 states, is my math right?
1:35Yes. that allow boys to participate in
1:39girls sports. Do the girls in those
1:42states have a right under Title 9 or the
1:45Constitution to have those sports to
1:48themselves? Do they have In other words,
1:51can we overturn the permission slips
1:54that the blue states have given boys to
1:56participate in girl sports at the US
1:58Supreme Court? And so my own take on
2:01what happened today in the high court
2:03was the following. the court's going to
2:05uphold the bans. So, I think the 27
2:08states are going to be happy and I
2:11predict I think it's going to be 63 uh
2:13that the high court will uphold those
2:15bans as constitutionally valid. But they
2:17were already talking about the 23 other
2:20states who have given a permission slip
2:22for the boys to participate in girls
2:23sports. And unfortunately, my strong
2:26read of the conservative justices today
2:28was they're ready to join with the libs
2:30in saying that's just fine, too. Um,
2:34it's really unfortunate, but that's
2:36that's what I heard today. Um, I want to
2:39get into it with a woman who has been
2:41behind uh the heart of not just this
2:44case, but so many cases that we care
2:46deeply about. Honestly, like Kristen
2:48Wagner is like an angel. She's every
2:51case you care about, every issue you
2:53care about, she's defended it. She's
2:55gone to the Supreme Court with her
2:56group. She's always on the right side,
2:59like literally right, but also correct
3:02side, and we owe her a debt of
3:04gratitude. She's the CEO, president, and
3:06chief counsel of Alliance Defending
3:07Freedom, Love ADF, which represented
3:10both of the states uh here, Idaho and
3:12West Virginia, and submitted briefs in
3:14this case, along with three female
3:15athletes that do not want to have to
3:18compete against males.
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4:21Kristen, thank you so much for doing
4:22this with us today. I'm so grateful to
4:24you and so proud of you because it went
4:26so well uh for the side of sanity today.
4:29Give me your take. I gave the audience
4:30my quick back of the envelope, but your
4:31take is more important and more informed
4:33than mine.
4:34>> Well, I loved hearing your take first
4:36because I you know, I feel like we're
4:38all somewhat emotionally invested in it,
4:40but when you're sitting in it and you
4:41kind of know the ins and outs, um let's
4:44just start with the court. I mean, I
4:46think overall I agree with your take. 63
4:48is probably the way it will result with
4:51some concurrences uh as well. I think
4:54that the um the argument went very well.
4:56I was surprised at well maybe not
4:58surprised but delighted by some of the
5:01ACLU's concessions. They essentially
5:03rolled back their arguments on Title 9
5:05alto together even saying that the lower
5:07court uh decision that they won under
5:10was wrong. So that's great. I think that
5:13it the veil was brought back on the fact
5:15that they refuse to even define what sex
5:19is. So I'm not sure how you can find sex
5:21discrimination if you can't articulate
5:23what sex is.
5:24>> Crazy. Put a pin in that audience
5:25because we are definitely coming back to
5:27that issue. Keep going.
5:29>> And then I mean I don't know. I'm really
5:30curious to see what you think about
5:32this. And maybe it's because like we
5:34have been living these cases out from we
5:37started in about 2015. first big stuff
5:39comes up 2017 where two boys take 15
5:43state championships um from girls. So
5:45that's how long we've been in this and
5:47I've been with these female athletes.
5:49You've interviewed them and we have the
5:51privilege of representing three that are
5:52in that case and I wanted so badly to
5:56just stand up and scream why are we not
5:58talking about the women here.
6:00>> I don't want to hear about hecks or BPJ.
6:03I want to talk about these girls, the
6:05girls that are impacted. And it just
6:08that's probably what made me most upset.
6:10>> That just gave me the chills. That just
6:11gave me the chills when you said that.
6:13There there were multiple times and it
6:15did dawn on me, Kristen, that like the
6:17Supreme Court is really one of the last
6:19few places where there's true decorum
6:21that is maintained. You know, it is very
6:23formal. You are expected to behave.
6:25Every reporter had a suit on. It's not
6:27casual. Every guest that's in attendance
6:30there has got their Sunday best on. You
6:33may not stand up to stretch. you will
6:36sit there and you will obey the rules or
6:38you will be promptly ejected. And I like
6:40that. I like that a lot. They the judges
6:43come in in their robes. It's all very
6:44formal. Um but I actually was tempted to
6:48break the protocol a couple of times to
6:49stand up and be like, "What? What?"
6:53Right? like the the nonsense when the
6:55lawyer for BPJ in the second case, this
6:59is a a boy pretending to be a girl who
7:01wants the right to play in girl sports
7:03and said
7:05the one thing you really shouldn't do in
7:07your ruling because he was sensing that
7:08they were going to rule against him. And
7:10now this lawyer has switched to let me
7:13limit my laws here so that it's just
7:16these 27 states can uphold their ban,
7:18but don't touch my 23 that affirmatively
7:21allow this. And so I think it was was it
7:25Kagan or was it Katanji Brown Jackson
7:27was like tell us what not to rule like
7:30tell us exactly how we're supposed to
7:32rule um so that we can sort of protect
7:34these other rights. And he was like for
7:36the love of God don't don't define
7:38biological sex.
7:40>> What
7:43it it's stunning but it that is their
7:45argument. I mean you know we've got to
7:47look behind the curtain and know what
7:49issue in this. It is about biological
7:51reality and it is about erasing the
7:54differences between men and women and
7:56that cannot happen on our watch. It
7:58cannot happen. But you know these girls
8:00that we're talking about the opening
8:02argument of you know BPJ is this
8:0411year-old that just wants to have fun.
8:06We should have compassion for BPJ. BPJ
8:09is obviously very confused and we should
8:11treat BPJ with kindness. But let's be
8:13clear about this. BPJ has taken 423
8:18girls have been affected and lost places
8:20since BPJ competed in middle school.
8:231100 times this has happened and he's
8:25taken 57 medals from the girls. So let's
8:28talk to those girls like our client
8:30Adelaide Cross who couldn't compete. She
8:32was in the top three on her team. He
8:35starts, you know, throwing amazing
8:38supposedly after puberty blockers, you
8:40know, when all this is not supposed to
8:41have an advantage, at least from what we
8:43heard today, and instead is displacing
8:46all these girls. And now Adela wasn't
8:48even able to compete in the competition.
8:50She was completely knocked out because
8:52as Justice Kavanaaugh said today,
8:54there's limited number of spots.
8:55>> That's right. He was good. Kavanaaugh
8:57was good today. Gorsuch was a nightmare.
8:58Kavanaaugh was good. Even Chief Justice
9:00Roberts was good. We have to talk about
9:02Gorsuch in a second. But the thing on
9:04BPJ is if you listen to just today's
9:06argument because his lawyers were up
9:08there saying, "Oh, he wasn't very good."
9:11And their briefs were like, "He wasn't
9:13good. He he he barely made the track
9:15team." And then when he got on, he he
9:18wasn't at the front of the pack. And
9:20like eventually after a lot of hard
9:22work, he moved up a little. But like you
9:24would really think this is a Charlie
9:26Brown of athletes. And none of those
9:28facts that you just said came out today
9:31in court. They left everybody there with
9:32the impression that this was like not
9:34even a middling athlete and like what
9:36are you complaining about? This this
9:38poor guy was like this little weakling
9:41who barely made the team. But Kristen,
9:44wasn't this this was the case at which I
9:46saw Riley Gaines with the shot putters
9:48who who walked out of the shot put
9:50circle and said, "I'm not competing
9:52against a boy." And he had started to
9:54dominate.
9:55>> Megan, there is so much to this case
9:57that um I mean it's just Yes. It starts
10:01with our client Adelaide Across was on
10:03the same team as BPJ was competing in
10:05the top of um the team and had these
10:07spots and you know the first year when
10:10BPJ was in sixth grade, she was in
10:12seventh grade and during that time um
10:14you know she was still in the top spot.
10:16By the next year she starts getting
10:18knocked out. BPJ allegedly is starting
10:20to throw 10 to 20 feet longer and then
10:22all these girls are falling off because
10:25he's taking these these spots in higher
10:27competition. Next thing you know, the
10:29five shot put or discus um people were
10:33at a different school actually and they
10:35protested and said, "We're not competing
10:37against a boy. It's not fair to make us
10:40do that." So, this is not even BPJ's
10:42team or Adela's team. It's a completely
10:44different school protesting. And
10:46>> yes,
10:47>> those girls are punished by their
10:49school. Where is
10:51>> their protest?
10:52>> This is We're showing some of the girls.
10:54They got in the circle as though they
10:55were going to throw it and then they
10:56walked out in protest which takes so
10:59much guts. I mean especially in this
11:01environment. It was it was an act of
11:03true courage for these girls to take a
11:05stand. Not not mentioned at all today.
11:07And the number like what does the court
11:10have to go along with she pronouns for
11:14these boys. It was infuriating Kristen
11:16because of course it gets to the very
11:18issue of why we're all there. Reality
11:22matters. actual fact biological pronouns
11:25mattered, but the whole the whole court
11:29went along with the lie today by using
11:31she her pronouns.
11:33>> Well, I wouldn't say the whole court
11:35did, but I would say some surprising
11:37justices did.
11:38>> I didn't hear Alto do it. I didn't hear
11:40Thomas do it, but I definitely heard
11:42Gorsuch do it. I I think I heard Barrett
11:45do it.
11:46>> Um, and I think I heard Kavanaaugh do
11:48it.
11:49It is language is so critical and a the
11:52court knows that I mean you know
11:54majority of the court would consider
11:55themselves to be originalists and
11:57textualists and but at the same time
11:59this decorum that you're talking about
12:00no one wants to hurt people no one wants
12:03to hurt their feelings or unnecessarily
12:05offend and and I think that's how this
12:07thing you know the women got steamrolled
12:09in the first place is is we don't want
12:11to have to confront and hurt people but
12:14I think we're getting confused about
12:15what compassion and kindness actually
12:16looks like because it It can't exist
12:18without truth. And so you're right. I
12:21mean, even the idea of having to keep
12:23track of cisgender and transgender and
12:26transgender girls versus I mean, it was
12:28it's mental
12:30>> cisgender. I find cisgender girl and
12:32cisgender woman a slur. I I recoil when
12:35I hear that. And I heard it about 12
12:37times today from Katanji Brown Jackson,
12:39who of course was unable to define what
12:42a woman is during her Supreme Court
12:45confirmation hearing. and once again
12:47today seemed very focused on how to get
12:51around defining women and get around a
12:54ruling that would help women in any way
12:56which she sensed as I think you and I
12:58did is coming from the majority.
13:00>> Well, remember that in her nomination
13:02when she answered that question of she
13:04couldn't answer what a woman was, she
13:06said she'd need to talk to a biologist.
13:08And fortunately, the record is chalk
13:10full of them in these cases. Um there is
13:13ample science um real biologists that
13:17actually know what it means to be a
13:19woman and can define it. And uh I
13:21believe the court will uphold biological
13:23reality in these cases. But man, if
13:26today is not a reminder that we have
13:28much more work to do and again in the
13:31Idaho case as an example, we represent
13:34two athletes who were beaten many times
13:37by a man at the collegiate level who
13:39took the Big Sky Championship. So, you
13:41know, there are there's so many
13:43different women that have suffered as a
13:45result. And of course, we haven't even
13:47started talking about locker rooms.
13:49>> I know exactly. That's not really an
13:51issue here. So, let me just play this
13:53this moment where the they Alo called BS
13:57on BPJ's lawyer who was trying to say,
14:00don't whatever you do in this opinion,
14:02do not define biological sex. Because of
14:04course, he knew this is going to seal
14:06our fate in many cases. God forbid they
14:08just say that a woman is a has a certain
14:12set of gametes and a man has a different
14:14set of gametes. The women's will turn
14:15into ovaries, the mans will turn into
14:17testes, period. Or a woman can have a
14:19baby or a woman has XX chromosome,
14:21whatever. Um, they don't want that. And
14:24Alto was the first one to break the dam
14:27because this guy was getting away with
14:28it. Like the last thing you should do is
14:30this. And Alo brought some sense. And
14:33then I was pleased to hear the chief
14:35justice tag team in like, yeah, what
14:38Alto said. Here's that moment.
14:41>> And what is that definition for equal
14:43protection purposes? What does what does
14:45it mean to be a boy or a girl or a man
14:48or a woman?
14:49>> Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I
14:50think that the underlying enactment,
14:52whatever it was, the policy, the law,
14:53the would have to we'd have to have an
14:55understanding of how the state or the
14:57government was understanding that term
14:59to figure out whether or not someone was
15:01excluded. We do not have a definition
15:03for the court and we don't take issue
15:05with the we're not disputing the
15:06definition here. What we're saying is
15:08that the way it applies in practice is
15:10to exclude birthex males categorically
15:12from women's teams and that there's a
15:14subset of those birthex males where it
15:16doesn't make sense to do so according to
15:18the state's own interest.
15:19>> Well, how can you how can a court
15:22determine whether there's discrimination
15:25on the basis of sex without knowing what
15:27sex means for equal protection purposes?
15:31I think here we just notice we we we
15:33basically know that the that they've
15:36identified pursuant to their own
15:37statute, Lindsay qualifies as a birth
15:39sex male and she's being excluded
15:41categorically from the women's teams as
15:43the statute. So, we're taking the
15:44statute's definitions as we find them
15:46and we don't dispute them.
15:48>> Okay, that was in the first case, heck,
15:50and then it happened again in the second
15:52case with BPJ when there was a male
15:53attorney up there. We'll play that in a
15:55second. Title N prohibits discrimination
15:59on the basis of sex. It's a statutory
16:02term. It must mean something. You're
16:05arguing that here there's discrimination
16:08on the basis of sex. And how can we
16:12decide that question without knowing
16:15what sex means in Title 9? I mean, it
16:17could mean biological sex. It could mean
16:20gender identity. It could mean whatever
16:23a state wants to define it to mean, but
16:25it has to mean something. How can we
16:27decide that without knowing what this
16:29statutory term means?
16:30>> Well, I I think there are a whole range
16:33of sex-based characteristics that can
16:35give rise to discrimination. I think if
16:37someone said, "I'm going to discriminate
16:40against anyone who acts in a feminine
16:42manner, like anyone with limp wrists, I
16:44don't care who they are, but I'm gonna
16:46discriminate against them." Like, I
16:48think that would be sex discrimination.
16:50it would be sort of gender presentation.
16:52I would but I wouldn't say that's not
16:54covered by Title N. And so I just I I'm
16:57not saying that biological differences
17:00aren't part of sex.
17:01>> You don't think we should have an
17:04operating definition of sex in Title 9.
17:07Now I understand the idea that
17:11um
17:12well the question then becomes not
17:14whether or not there's discrimination on
17:17the basis of sex but whether there's
17:18discrimination on the basis of whatever
17:20characteristic you think should be
17:22included in the definition of sex. Now
17:24when it's used as a statutory term I'm
17:26not sure you have that kind of
17:27flexibility. The question then would be
17:29instead what does Congress think the
17:32words word means? But he that that's
17:34really what it comes down to, right,
17:36Kristen? And do you think that they will
17:38have the courage to do the very basic
17:41work of defining what biological sex
17:44means in order to determine a case in
17:47which these bans are based on biological
17:50sex?
17:52I think it's going to be very
17:54challenging to resolve the equal
17:56protection claim without bringing some
17:59sort of definition in on sex and it
18:01being related to biological sex. I I
18:04mean under the equal protection clause
18:06the whole threshold is if when the
18:08legislature draws lines are they drawing
18:10those lines so that they're treating
18:12similarly situated people similarly and
18:15so the biological distinctions here
18:17matter greatly and I think that you have
18:19to define it for equal protection
18:20purposes and we all know what it means
18:23um you know the only person that doesn't
18:25seem to know are are progressive left
18:27activists who are actually trying to
18:29erase the rights of women and girls
18:31across this nation title 7 als Also, I
18:34think you just look at the statute which
18:36says, is there sex-based discrimination?
18:38And the statute itself anticipates that
18:41you will separate the sexes based on
18:42athletics as well as in living
18:45facilities because again, they know what
18:47biological sex means and what it meant
18:49when the law was passed. So, I I think
18:51the court may not want to fully go there
18:54in this, but I think you almost have to
18:57um to to resolve it, and I sure hope
18:59they do. I mean, I just kept thinking,
19:01Megan, I can't 10 more years of this is
19:04insanity.
19:05>> No, no. I mean, by the day, by the day,
19:08by the second.
19:10>> Well, I think of Adela as an example. I
19:13mean, yes, this is about sports, but we
19:14all all know that, you know, Title N as
19:17an example has just been a weapon used
19:19by the last administration, you know,
19:21changing the regulations, changing the
19:22standards. And as they're doing that,
19:25they're opening up locker rooms. BPJ in
19:27the locker room. Adelaide Cross under
19:29oath multiple times says he comes up
19:31behind her, threatens her with sexual
19:33assault. The school does nothing because
19:36they don't want to have to deal with it.
19:38And yet all along, girls and boys are
19:40sharing these locker rooms. They have
19:42different anatomy and that anatomy plays
19:44out in a very real way. Imagine having
19:46your daughter being threatened with
19:47sexual assault two to three times a
19:49week, which is what's going on here. No
19:52more. We've got to we got to correct it.
19:54>> That So the BPJ case was was the case.
19:57It was the Hickox or HECOS, whatever,
19:59however you pronounce it, case involved
20:01um somebody who was at the University of
20:04Boise, right? Um in Boise, Idaho.
20:08>> Yes, they were in Idaho.
20:09>> Boise State. Okay. So, but this this was
20:12a person who was older because they were
20:14in college and they wanted to play
20:15college sports and but the plaintiff in
20:18the other case out of West Virginia was
20:20somebody BPJ who um said that they had
20:25started puberty blockers like they they
20:27knew that they were quote trans as of
20:29third grade that they went on puberty
20:30blockers straight into cross- sex
20:32hormones and therefore never had male
20:34puberty and therefore never developed
20:36male advantage. By the way, the plainif
20:38in the Idaho case who did go through
20:41male puberty also argued he had no
20:44advantage because he lowered his
20:46testosterone levels. And so he's just
20:48the same as you and I. You know, as if
20:50like Shaquille O'Neal post puberty, but
20:54taking testosterone, you know, blockers
20:57could would have no male advantage over
20:59us because it's all wiped out once his
21:02tea levels go down. It's absurd. But we
21:05were we were operating under that
21:07premise like it was real today in the
21:09high court. Um but the BPJ kid was
21:12somebody who is a male but at a very
21:16young age started to do these cross- sex
21:18uh hormones and so on. But you just
21:20mentioned something that doesn't come
21:21out in the coverage of BPJ which is that
21:24there's been an allegation that he
21:26repeatedly has been saying to the girls
21:29on his teams, you can suck my D. I'm
21:32gonna take my D and shove it in your pee
21:34and like really vile disgusting stuff
21:37which is sexual harassment.
21:40>> It absolutely is. And I I mean it's
21:42crushing when you talk to Adala. She
21:44she's not she's not playing sports
21:45anymore. Would you They're in the same
21:47high school. They would be on the same
21:49team. She has been excluded from her own
21:51locker room and her own athletic team.
21:53Uh because there's one not equal
21:56opportunity, not fair play and he's
21:58taken a spot on the team. And then would
22:01you go back into that situation? No one
22:03would.
22:04>> And I wouldn't let my daughter do it
22:05either. I'd be a wor I'd be afraid.
22:07>> No. Absolutely. And I think when we're
22:09thinking about the legal question here,
22:11you know, the question is, can states
22:13draw legislative classifications and
22:16what's the standard that they should be
22:17based on when they're reviewed?
22:19Certainly, states can recognize that
22:21generally speaking, there are advantages
22:24that biological males have that that
22:27just exist. And so essentially what was
22:29being argued today is that we have to
22:31create individualized exceptions first
22:34of all which would mean I mean I don't
22:36even know how a state would pass a law
22:37if every time you needed to make an
22:40individualized exception and then second
22:43on the assumption that sort of the
22:45science doesn't support it and that the
22:47record's just clear that the science
22:49even puberty
22:50>> so let's just set that up clearly for
22:51the audience they were saying okay there
22:53are these laws title 9 is allowed to
22:55discriminate on sex and the equal
22:57protection clause doesn't ban it. It's
22:59been in place for decades. It does
23:02differentiate based on sex between boys
23:04and girls, but that's been accepted to
23:07do it in this fashion and especially
23:09based on sports that's been made
23:10perfectly clear is totally fine and
23:12a-okay. And so these plaintists couldn't
23:14get up there and say title nine and the
23:16equal protection clause like have to go
23:18um because they're discriminatory
23:20against our clients. They said, "Oh, we
23:22one of the arguments was we deserve
23:23exceptions because our clients don't
23:26have male advantage." one because they
23:28lowered their testosterone and one
23:29because they did this drug regimen. And
23:31the justices were like, "So, we have to
23:34make an exception like just for just for
23:37your clients or like for all clients who
23:41don't have male advantage and how are we
23:43going to figure that out like as a
23:44group?" And um like the impossibility of
23:48it, Kristen, became pretty clear to me
23:50like and and and then we got to the
23:51point where the one lawyer in BPJ's case
23:54was like, well, I think you know, back
23:58on the sex question, you you shouldn't
23:59define biological sex in determining any
24:02of this because even if you were to go
24:05with like the biological sex uh
24:07definitions that we could all recognize,
24:09there's going to be the XY chromosome
24:11kid who's got a limp wrist. He actually
24:14said that he's talking about how like
24:16some boys have limp wrists and like
24:19started arguing about like we should
24:20factor that stuff in in figuring out
24:23who's going to get an exception and
24:24who's not.
24:27>> It's completely unadministrable. But but
24:30I think that also just the underlying
24:32truth of what was being debated in just
24:35the sense that boys are treated the same
24:37under this law. Girls are treated the
24:39same under this law. And the idea that
24:42somehow boys who identify as girls need
24:46a special exception. What about the many
24:48others out there? As you said, maybe
24:50shorter. I I'm short. Um what about
24:53those who have a disability? What about
24:55those who are just on medication and
24:57that might impact their performance? Are
24:59we doing exceptions for all of those
25:01individuals? The fact is the ACLU today
25:05made the case that they do believe in
25:07sex-based athletics. They do believe
25:09that there are differences. They agree
25:11to that and they don't want to get rid
25:13of those differences. They just want
25:15boys who identify as girls to be able to
25:17come into the girls category. And we
25:19need to ensure that that doesn't happen
25:21because women deserve equal
25:22opportunities, fairness, and privacy.
25:26They um actually got up there and tried
25:28to spin us that boys
25:33who are on puberty blockers
25:37may actually be at a disadvantage.
25:40>> That's it. It was crazy. It was like not
25:43even puberty blockers. It was I think
25:44this was about like a a post-pubescent
25:48male who then lowers his testosterone
25:50like like the first plaintiff in Hickox
25:53that that person's at a disadvantage
25:56versus biological girls and here's how
25:59that was spun by attorney Kathleen
26:01Partnet s 11
26:03>> I I do think that's the most prudent but
26:04definitely on a record that's more
26:05developed because I think a lot of I
26:07think in the end of the day it might end
26:08up being a surprise to we don't know yet
26:10but I think we have some good evidence
26:12that actually at the end of the day
26:13being transgender woman. Um, actually to
26:16the extent there are and you've
26:18repressed your testosterone, you're at
26:19somewhat of a disadvantage in many ways
26:21because you have again this larger frame
26:23with weaker muscles and no testosterone.
26:27Uh, okay. By the way, it's not no
26:30testosterone. That's a lie, too. They
26:32just get their testosterone levels down
26:34to something closer to what a female
26:37would have, but they still have all the
26:39advantage of male puberty and male bone
26:42length and strength and heart and lung
26:44capacity and all the rest of it.
26:47>> You mean like you mean like Will who
26:49goes by Leah Thomas? Is that is that
26:51Yeah.
26:51>> Is that what you're talking about there?
26:53>> Exactly. That's a great example because
26:55people can see it with their own eyes.
26:57Like that's a postpubescent male who
27:00tried to pawn himself off as female and
27:03puberty blockers or whatever
27:05testosterone, you know, pills to to
27:07lower it or not. You can see with your
27:09own eyes he's got an advantage over the
27:11females.
27:12>> Well, the science tells us that they're
27:14denser bones, longer bones, that all of
27:16these physical advantages don't go away
27:17with puberty blockers. Um this again the
27:20science confirms that even after puberty
27:22blockers there are inherent physical
27:24advantages that boys have that girls
27:27simply don't and they never will and
27:30again I think it underscores the and
27:32also I just want to say this why would
27:35we create an incentive for children to
27:38go on puberty blockers particularly when
27:40the court has already just said in
27:41scretti that hey this is a medical
27:43experiment and we're you know have some
27:46concerns about that and the state should
27:48be working these things out right now.
27:50So I I think there's just a lot of
27:51implications to that argument, but the
27:53science is clear and again so are the
27:55rights of the states to be able to draft
27:57reasonable legislative classifications
27:59that are based on sex. And really what's
28:01being done here is an argument to say we
28:04don't really mean sex, we mean gender
28:06identity. And we know that that
28:08essentially erases women.
28:10>> Yes. Exactly. Right. And so
28:12unfortunately for us though, we're stuck
28:14with Bast which was a Supreme Court case
28:16deciding that under title 7, which
28:18governs employment, gender identity is a
28:21protected class and you cannot refuse to
28:26hire somebody based on their gender
28:27identity, which is just really crazy. I
28:29mean, it's crazy. Just the other day,
28:31Christian, we played a tape that a young
28:33girl at a Planet Fitness out in
28:35California took of an allegedly trans
28:38person, a guy pretending to be a girl,
28:39in the women's locker room at Planet
28:40Fitness in California. Not to get too
28:43graphic, but clearly he was pleasuring
28:44himself in the women's bathroom stall.
28:47And you could see it, not based on, you
28:49couldn't see him exactly, but you could
28:51see the shadow down below. And this
28:52clever girl took a video of the shadow,
28:54which clearly showed what he was doing.
28:56And you and I both know that the vast
28:58majority of these maleto-female alleged
29:00trans people are autogophiles who are
29:03actually not gender confused. They're
29:05getting off in a sexual fantasy that
29:08gets they in which they get turned on by
29:10dressing like women and being around
29:11women while they do it. And nonetheless,
29:14we had to be subjected to uh, you know,
29:17the court talking about these people
29:18like they're, you know, into in in in
29:21Bastto like they're just like you or me
29:23or they're just like somebody who's like
29:25a black person who has an immutable
29:27characteristic that's, you know, skin
29:28color or a woman who's got an immutable
29:30characteristic that's, you know, her
29:31lady parts. And they they actually gave
29:34them the protection of the law saying
29:35you have to hire these people. So if
29:36this guy who was pleasuring himself in
29:38the planet fitness comes into my my
29:40company and he wants me to hire him and
29:43I know that he's probably an
29:45autogophile, I can't say no because of
29:47Bostock. Thanks Neil Gorsuch. He wrote
29:50the opinion and so we have to deal with
29:53that finding. But they did accept they
29:55excluded bathrooms and locker rooms and
29:58now today the question is are sports
29:59also excluded from that? And I think
30:01it's going to go the right way. But can
30:03you just give me your what did you make
30:04of Gorsuch today because I was alarmed
30:07by him?
30:09>> Well, Bostock um is a decision that
30:12we've essentially been litigating around
30:14since it came out. Um we believe it's a
30:17wrongly decided decision and a poorly
30:19reasoned decision. Um and I I've had
30:22Justice Gorsuch rule in some of the
30:23cases that I've argued and write the
30:25opinions and he's done an a fabulous
30:27job, but Bostock is not one of them. Um,
30:30and I think his comments today were
30:33concerning in the sense of um, talking
30:36about whether we should essentially
30:38equate uh, those who identify as the
30:40opposite sex to some sort of special
30:42class status under the law that would be
30:44akin to race. But, you know, we don't
30:46know the reasons he was asking those
30:48questions. Um, so it might have been
30:50that he was trying to get to a place to
30:52resolve the case in a more
30:54straightforward way. But let me say
30:56this. I mean, justice, we have been
30:57litigating these cases for 10 years and
31:00and that issue of, you know, whether the
31:01states must uh essentially protect
31:04women, that's we have a normal argument
31:06in that in two days. Um so, you know,
31:08we're we're covering the landscape. We
31:10are continuing
31:12>> at the lower court, right? At a lower
31:13court.
31:13>> Well, at the eighth circuit court of
31:15appeals, so it's not too much lower. Um
31:17I mean, these are on their way up right
31:19now, so it won't be long.
31:21>> How is that looking? because like I was
31:23so discouraged that they Gorsuch did not
31:26seem like he's going to rule in our
31:27favor on that one. Um Kavanaaugh seemed
31:31like he wasn't going to rule in our
31:32favor on that one and we can lose one
31:35but we can't lose two.
31:37>> I think we don't know when the issues
31:39actually presented and it underscores
31:41the importance of the American people.
31:43It underscores the importance of who we
31:45elect in terms of the legislators that
31:47are passing laws and the legislative
31:48history that they put in place. Um, I
31:51would not give up on that argument. I
31:52think that there's a reason even the
31:54Department of Justice today in the
31:56argument said, you know, we're we're not
31:58going to take a position on that and on
32:00equal protection and we actually believe
32:01Title 9 protects girls in these
32:04instances. And when it comes to Justice
32:06Gorsuch, again, I think there are easy
32:08ways to distinguish Bostock, that was
32:11about whether in a hiring and firing
32:13situation, um, and you had to take
32:15account of sex in that instance, that
32:18sex was like what it turned on, whether
32:20that qualified, um, under the statute as
32:22sex discrimination. In this context
32:25where we're truly talking about gender
32:27identity, the the hinge point is not
32:29sex. A boy who identifies as a girl is
32:32treated the same as a boy who identifies
32:34as a boy. That's not sex discrimination.
32:37And states have the right to make
32:39distinctions on the basis of our
32:40biological differences. So, we're going
32:42to keep going. And I think eventually
32:45we're going to win. And if we don't,
32:48I worry about Western civilization just
32:50candidly. I mean, I think that's how
32:52important this issue is that we can
32:54>> we can talk about what we know to be
32:55true in human biology.
32:57I'm honestly I just have to reiterate I
33:00I'm so grateful to you. I It's one thing
33:03to sit in the anchor chair and get
33:04outraged at these stories and there is a
33:06role for bringing attention to them in
33:09the media. Um, so I'm not completely
33:11discounting the press in this, but and
33:13and usually they've been a force for
33:15evil, but there it takes someone like
33:17you to get off the couch, get up early,
33:22file the briefs, go through the
33:24litigations, which are just painstaking
33:26and tedious and the interrogatories and
33:28the depositions and the motions to
33:30dismiss and the motions for summary
33:31judgement and then the motions for
33:33appeal and then the appellet briefs back
33:34and forth and then the oral arguments
33:36and then appeal up to the next level and
33:37then it's like it's so much work and I I
33:42know it cuz I used to do it for a living
33:43and I just I am so grateful to you for
33:47doing it over and over and over to make
33:52sure these things come out right and
33:53it's on all cultural issues but this one
33:55is the one of our time. Kristen, I'm
33:57just I I can't imagine how when you go
33:59back and you talk to the girls like the
34:01girls in this case, what what was their
34:03reaction? How are they feeling?
34:05>> They're excited. They're relieved that
34:07the argument came. But I I mean I'll
34:08tell you as we're getting ready
34:10yesterday, you know, there's some
34:11there's some emotion involved about
34:13being, you know, having your face all
34:15over and what does it mean in terms of
34:17the hate that you get? And um and yet
34:20they're strong and they're courageous
34:21and I believe they've unleashed warriors
34:23by by taking this battle on. Um MK and
34:26Maddie, they're passionate about this
34:28issue. They receive scholarships under
34:30Title N, scholarships that um you know,
34:33if they hadn't received them, they might
34:35not have been able to go to school. and
34:37laning is the same. And then we've also
34:39been able to partner with Attorneys
34:41General Labrador and McCusky in West
34:43Virginia and Idaho and they have stood
34:46strong in this from the very beginning
34:47as we've represented the states uh
34:49alongside them. So there are bright
34:52lights in this but it takes endurance
34:54and grit and just as you said it takes
34:56the media, it takes your voice. That's
34:58what's helping us turn this corner. It's
35:00it's ordinary Americans and it's
35:02Americans who have a platform saying
35:04we're going to stand for truth. We're
35:06contending for our girls.
35:08>> These girls you just named and that we
35:11just showed, all of whom have been
35:13disadvantaged by boys pretending to be
35:15girls playing in their sports, are not
35:17going to get a puff profile done on
35:20them. They're made out to be villains.
35:24And while the attorney stood up there
35:26today, the female attorney uh for Hickox
35:28and said, "Oh, I would never call them
35:30bigots." You know, because there was a
35:32question, "Are they bigots?" "Oh, I
35:33would never call them." The reality is
35:35that the the trans side does call
35:38virtually every girl who comes forward
35:40to stand up for herself a bigot, a
35:42transphobe. So that's fine. You can say
35:44that to the US Supreme Court. Those of
35:46us who live in the real world have heard
35:47you and the ACLU and the trans lobby do
35:51that every single day since we started
35:54fighting back. Um this is instead what
35:57you get. You get a profile like this
35:59from ABC News. This is on BPJ. Uh, this
36:02is just this past Monday where I I
36:05didn't I didn't hear about any of the
36:07controversy that you and I just
36:09discussed. This is how it sounded. S.
36:14>> With each throw of the discus, Becky
36:17Pepper Jackson strives for perfection.
36:19>> I put time in over the summer and after
36:22practices just trying to improve my
36:24technique and get better.
36:25>> The high school sophomore from
36:27Bridgeport, West Virginia, was born into
36:29a family of runners. consistently at the
36:32back of the pack. A coach instead pushed
36:34her to learn to throw.
36:36>> My times were too slow and she didn't
36:37want me to not make the team. So, she
36:39introduced me to shot put and discus.
36:41And that's when I just fell in love with
36:42it.
36:43>> Becky's throws earned her a spot in the
36:45state championship last season. The
36:47first time the only known openly
36:49transgender athlete in West Virginia in
36:52any sport took a top prize.
36:54>> Your teammates don't see a difference in
36:56your performance or your presence?
36:58>> No. Most of them are really kind. They
37:00support me all the way. It's just like
37:02being any other person on the sports
37:03team.
37:04>> She may be embraced by some teammates,
37:06but she's been protested by other
37:08athletes and targeted by state
37:10lawmakers.
37:11>> Targeted. It's a failed Devon Dwire of
37:14ABC. That's that's what we get about
37:17about Becky who's outed herself and her
37:20identity as opposed to what we hear
37:22about the other girls, the alleged
37:23bigots. Kristen.
37:24>> Well, a number of her teammates actually
37:26had to wear their track uniforms
37:28underneath their clothes or wear their
37:29track uniforms to school because they
37:30didn't want to have to share a locker
37:32room with BPJ and a boy. A number of the
37:34teammates have been displaced. Um,
37:36exactly, you know, 423 girls again that
37:39BPJ has competed against in the course
37:41of the last several years have lost
37:44their positions, 1100 times and again 57
37:46medals. So, you know, some of those
37:48girls are afraid to talk because of the
37:50treatment that they get. And that's all
37:51a part of the design, the bullying that
37:54goes on. But again, as this injustice
37:56occurs, as we bring light to it, more
37:58and more girls are coming forward. I'm
38:01sure you saw a recent UN report says
38:03there have been up to upwards of 900
38:05medals lost.
38:06>> Yes. I was glad that that came out
38:08today.
38:09>> I was very glad that came out today
38:10because the one lawyer got up there and
38:12was like, "Oh, this is BPJ's lawyer."
38:14and and uh the lawyer was like, "Oh,
38:17there were no cuts." So, BPJ did not he
38:19didn't cost anybody their place on the
38:21team. And he wasn't very good, so he
38:23didn't cost anybody, you know, any
38:25medals or scholarships. And and I think
38:28it was in rebuttal, but one of the other
38:29lawyers got up there and said, "Let me
38:31give you the stats." Like the UN just
38:33came out with this report. It was like
38:35900 girls lost or 600 girls lost 900
38:38medals to boys playing. This is a lie.
38:40They continue to tell it. John Oliver
38:43told this lie on his show. My daughter's
38:45uh history teacher last year told this
38:47lie to her and her friend, saying that
38:50this is it's not happening, Kristen.
38:52There just really aren't boys playing in
38:54girls sports taking their medals.
38:56>> Well, a significant portion of our work
38:58has been dealing with how gender
39:00ideology is affecting all Americans and
39:03frankly all around the world. Um you
39:05know the UN report as an example was a
39:07central feature of a hearing that we
39:09testified at along with the author of
39:11that report and Sharon Davies an example
39:13this is happening around the world where
39:15they are losing these medals in addition
39:17when we talk about the work that
39:18Alliance Defending Freedoms had to do in
39:20these areas you know lies can't exist
39:22without censorship taking place and so
39:25we have to ensure that we can continue
39:26to speak freely and have the right to
39:29raise our kids consistent with the
39:30belief that men and women are different
39:32and to celebrate that And that's the
39:35underlying issue here and what's really
39:37going on. The last thing I I want to
39:39make sure is clear. It, you know, it's
39:41it's not about not having a team to play
39:44on. It's that athletics biological
39:46differences matter. And so the
39:48biological boys need to play in their
39:50category. And the girls play in theirs
39:53or they can play co-ed. actually the
39:55girls even who identify as boys can play
39:58in the boys category because the laws
40:00recognize these biological distinctions
40:02and say no the girls don't have an
40:04unfair advantage. So again I I think
40:07that the issues get distorted in the
40:09press and how they're recounted. Um but
40:11I am optimistic that the court's going
40:12to rule the right way. I am also
40:15resolved that we have a lot more work to
40:17do before we ensure that the next
40:19generation doesn't have to deal with
40:21this ideology that crushes people and
40:23families.
40:25>> Yes, we will cover the eighth circuit
40:26argument that you have coming up in two
40:28days. I will see you tonight and again
40:31my profound thanks to you and Alliance
40:34Defending Freedom.
40:35>> We're looking forward to celebrating
40:36tonight. So, thanks for joining us at
40:38it.
40:38>> Oh, I can't wait. Um, okay. Okay, so
40:41Kristen had a run, but I do want to just
40:43give you a couple of thoughts of my own.
40:44I didn't want to suck up the top of the
40:45hour. I wanted to get right to her. I'm
40:47just going to give you a couple thoughts
40:48of my own on today in addition to what
40:50we just discussed. I I'm sorry, but I
40:53cannot believe that Katanji Brown
40:55Jackson is a US Supreme Court justice.
40:57Um, everything she asked was
40:58ideological. Every single question
41:01seemed designed to promote or justify or
41:05give her the ammo to support her
41:07ideology. Um, I didn't even understand
41:10exactly what she was saying in some of
41:13these questions. I was just sort of like
41:14the dog that its head like, "Huh?
41:16Huh?" Soayor, same. Uh, Alo a hero.
41:20Roberts was great today. Thomas, of
41:23course, stalwart. Gorsuch, uh-uh.
41:27Kavanaaugh,
41:28uh, pretty good. Pretty good, I thought.
41:30Not totally sure where he's going on the
41:33second round. you know what what to do
41:36about the 23 blue states that have laws
41:38allowing it because we need those struck
41:40down. We need to win these laws. The
41:42bans need to be upheld and the laws
41:44allowing it need to be struck down
41:45because women's rights are women's
41:47rights period. These girls have the
41:49right to participate in their own sports
41:51without boys coming in and under title N
41:53as well. So both of those things are
41:54equally important and we'll see you know
41:57we'll see on part two. I
41:59Barrett, Gorsuch, and Kavanaaugh seemed
42:03a little shaky to me on that second
42:05piece of it. Surprisingly, I kind of got
42:07a good vibe from Roberts on it.
42:09Definitely Alto and Thomas. So, we'll
42:12see. Elena Kagan is smart. She's not,
42:15you know, she's a lib. U but she's like
42:18a normal lib who asks normal lib
42:20questions. She's not some insane
42:21lunatic. Soayor is a partisan hack who
42:25doesn't seem like she's going to make it
42:26another five years on the bench. I mean,
42:28she truly was like sloavvenly. Can you
42:30be sloavvenly while sitting on the high
42:32court bench and like your robe and
42:34you're down here like hello over here
42:37over here Sonia? Um, and just overall I
42:42love the Supreme Court. I love listening
42:43to the arguments. It was, you know, I'm
42:45not going to last lie. It took like 4
42:47hours, so it was a little long and uh
42:50could have been a little snappier, but I
42:52love being back there. It's such a
42:53distinguished, beautiful body and um
42:57we're lucky to have them and we are
42:58super lucky to have the majority right
43:00now. I think this case is going to come
43:01out the way we want. Fingers crossed.
43:03Say a prayer. Literally say a prayer
43:05because I do think God has a role in
43:07making sure this wrong gets writed. Uh
43:09God bless Christian and don't forget
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44:15Don't wait. Here with me now, Andrew
44:17Claven. He's host of the Andrew Claven
44:19Show on the Daily Wire and author of the
44:21novel after that, The Dark. Andrew,
44:25welcome back. It's great to have you.
44:27Um, I'll just ask you quickly. I I don't
44:29know if you've been following the
44:30coverage of today's Supreme Court
44:31arguments, but it was a theater of the
44:34absurd with the preferred pronouns being
44:37used by everybody, biological reality
44:39out the window, cisgender being thrown
44:43around there, which is a slur. It I
44:45don't need cisgender woman. I'm a woman.
44:47That's it. Period. For those of us who
44:49are actual women, don't call us
44:50cisgender. We're women. Period. Nothing
44:52comes before it. Nothing comes after it.
44:55And then these lawyers standing up there
44:56trying to argue that a male who went
44:59through male puberty has no biological
45:01advantage over a woman so long as he's
45:03taking something to suppress his
45:04testosterone a little bit. I mean, it
45:06was just insane.
45:07>> Well, it's it's insane. The whole
45:09situation is so insane that a a college
45:11professor who's unhappy with her own
45:13sexuality can write a a theory and talk
45:16an entire nation, an entire culture
45:18really, out of one of the essential
45:20facts of human life. Not one of the
45:22essential facts of human life. One of
45:24the greatest facts of human life. The
45:25thing that from which most of our joy
45:27comes from, most of our pleasure comes
45:29from, our lives come from, the
45:31difference between men and women, which
45:32is supposed to be something that we
45:33celebrate and love even as it causes us
45:36all the troubles that romance causes us.
45:38And it's just amazing that a theory, a
45:41theorist with no scientific backing,
45:43with absolutely all the science speaking
45:45against her, can talk a culture out of
45:47that. Uh that's an amazing power that we
45:51give to intellectuals and to academics
45:53who are coming out of just their own
45:55heads without consulting anything. Why
45:58there should this should even be a
46:00conversation and you guys I heard you
46:01guys talking about Gorsuch his decision
46:03in Boto from a guy who says he's an
46:05originalist. Nobody who originally wrote
46:07a law was thinking of anything but women
46:10when they mentioned women or anything
46:11but men when they mentioned men. And so
46:13there's absolutely no reason, you know,
46:16to to accept even people crossdressing,
46:18which can be offensive in a society.
46:20There's absolutely no reason why you
46:21should have to hire somebody who is
46:23cross-dressing simply because a woman
46:25can wear a skirt so a man can wear a
46:27skirt. No, we live in a society. Our
46:29society has traditions and norms and in
46:31if you're in business, you want those
46:33traditions and norms to be uh upheld.
46:35But far beyond that, if you're dealing
46:38with the actual physical differences
46:39that come up and are so important in
46:41sports, you know, you have to deal with
46:44them. And I I'm somebody who I love NFL
46:46football and I watch these guys run into
46:48each other in ways that would break my
46:50bones. I can only I can't even think of
46:52what would happen if they ran into a
46:53female. And so if you follow this to its
46:55absolute logical conclusion, you simply
46:57have dead bodies lying over a hundred
47:00yard field. You know, it's insane. It is
47:02insane. And the fact that we can be
47:03talked out of reality by a college
47:05professor's theory or or a movement that
47:08basically backs it up by screaming at
47:10people uh is insane on its face.
47:12>> And to see the US Supreme Court have to
47:14go along with it. I mean, the the
47:15conservatives were just being polite and
47:18trying to maintain decorum. They don't
47:20believe this. They do not believe you
47:22can call a he a she or that a man can
47:24become a woman. There's just no way. But
47:26we all had to engage in this false
47:28today because that's what you
47:30do with the US regard. was not fun to
47:32listen to in that in that way. Okay,
47:34let's keep going. There's so much news
47:35and I don't have you for that much long
47:36for that for that a long time. I want to
47:38hit Minnesota where there is new video
47:41today um revealing I think I don't know
47:45who this is. There are reports that it's
47:46Renee Good's partner or wife um but I
47:50don't think it actually is. I think it's
47:51somebody else who videotaped the whole
47:52thing from behind the confrontation. But
47:55would you listen to the question this
47:59person shouted at the cops after Renee
48:01Good was shot after she accelerated her
48:04car into an officer? STOP 51.
48:07>> WHY DID YOU ASK ME a
48:21>> Why did you have real bullets in
48:24>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that
48:25tells you everything you need to know.
48:27It's a game. It's theater to them.
48:29Everything in this has been theater.
48:31When you have uh the mayor basically
48:33deciding the case after looking at one
48:35of the many, many videos that are very
48:37difficult to interpret. When you have
48:39the governor of the state come out and
48:41say that he's going to call out the
48:43National Guard essentially to fight with
48:46federal forces, which is a declaration
48:48of civil war. It's all fun in games and
48:51it's all makeelieve and it's it's
48:53absolutely it's really disturbing. I
48:56mean, this is a conversation that I feel
48:58was interrupted after uh Charlie Kirk
49:01was murdered. The the revelation of just
49:03how violent, how lawless, how
49:06destructive the left is in this country
49:09while claiming that the right is all
49:11those things. There are obviously always
49:12going to be bad guys on both sides. But
49:14that's not the issue. The issue is this
49:16is a movement that is anti the founding
49:19of this country that believes it has the
49:21right to commit acts of violence that
49:22will talk you out of it's burning down
49:25uh a city. They say they'll tell you
49:27that that's not an act of violence
49:29because it's an act against property as
49:31if property were not an extension of the
49:32people who build it and the the uh place
49:35that holds their hopes and dreams and
49:36lives. I I just think you know this is a
49:39reality that I don't feel the right has
49:41gotten its its its head around. I mean,
49:43I am I am all for, as you know, you and
49:45I have talked about this. I am all for
49:47dispelling and intellectually
49:49browbeating the the Jewers and the
49:51conspiracy theorists among us, but we we
49:54have got to bring the right together. I
49:56mean, and I'm when I'm when I say this,
49:58this left is so violent and so lawless
50:01and and so dangerous. And we defeated
50:03them. We defeated them in the last
50:04election not just because of the great
50:06candidacy of Donald Trump, but because a
50:09fallank of rebel media that included
50:12Megan Kelly and Ben Shapiro and the
50:14Babylon B and even guys who are not that
50:17political like Joe Rogan and even people
50:18on the left like Bill Maher who at least
50:21believe in freedom. These people have
50:23got to stick together and stop
50:24squabbling among themselves because I
50:27totally agree the threat we face is so
50:30>> I will say for the record one's attempt
50:32to forge you know reconciliation in this
50:35lane can go completely un unrewarded and
50:39can wind up being
50:40>> feal it's insane I I well I listen I
50:42agree and especially on social media
50:44where people forget that they're t
50:45talking to actual other human beings and
50:48use kinds of language against each other
50:50that is completely uncalled or you know
50:52I think in the in the battle of ideas
50:54that is one thing and the battle of
50:55ideas is serious and I think we should
50:57all take it seriously but in the
50:59absolute personal attacks that I see on
51:01the right I I I think they they're not
51:03taking the left as seriously as they
51:05should and they're not remembering
51:06>> that's the enemy
51:08>> that's the enemy what's happening in
51:10Minnesota proves that better than
51:11anything like
51:12>> it's and and it's not just like the
51:14crazy loons leftists who are like crying
51:17on camera who are kind of funny it's the
51:19ones who are actually out
51:21They're they're they're threatening to
51:22kill us. They're loading their guns.
51:25They're doing videos of it and they're
51:26saying they're going to take out yes,
51:28ICE agents, which is bad enough, but
51:29also MAGA. Like literally threatening
51:31us, which they just did with Charlie.
51:35They celebrated the murder by Lu Luigi
51:37Manion of the that guy wasn't MAGA, but
51:40like they're they're fine with political
51:41violence. That's like what I've been
51:43trying to say all along, Andrew, is like
51:45we do have defined enemies and we must
51:47band together in defeating them because
51:49it's like they're it's at a crescendo
51:52right now. It's it's almost at like a
51:54genuinely frightening crescendo on the
51:55left and and they're pointing to us
51:57saying we're the ones crescendoing it.
51:59>> That's right. That's right. They can
52:00pick out the the outsiders among us and
52:02make believe that they're the same as
52:04the insiders among us, the AOCC's and
52:06the mayor of the city of New York who is
52:08what really one of I think one of the
52:10worst people in the country. and and
52:12really has to be they have to be battled
52:14and and you know we forget so quickly
52:16and this is partly the media does this
52:18even to people on the right. We forget
52:20so quickly what happened under the Biden
52:22administration. The parents protesting
52:24uh pornography, homosexual pornography
52:26in their elementary schools who were
52:28threatened with investigation by the FBI
52:30as terrorists. The the people who went
52:32to Latin mass who were threatened by the
52:34FBI. The people knocked off social media
52:37for their opinions including the
52:38president of the United States. you
52:40know, were banned and silenced. We came
52:43this close to losing our First Amendment
52:45uh under the Biden regime. And it was it
52:47really was close. And we got to remember
52:50the the power that we have amassed by
52:53being a fearless rebel media uh that
52:56that speaks its mind and that makes that
52:59allows people in. You know, when I
53:00mentioned Bill Maher, I mentioned him on
53:01purpose because I always have respected
53:03him. Even though I disagree with him 85%
53:06of the time, I've always respected the
53:07fact that he'll bring on Anne Coulter,
53:09that he'll talk to Ben, you know, he'll
53:10talk to anybody basically because he
53:12believes in the founding. I think that's
53:14the battle we're in. It's not between
53:16left and right. It's between those who
53:17believe in the founding of this country
53:19and why we wrote the laws the way we did
53:21and why we set up the Constitution the
53:22way we did. And the people who don't
53:24believe it, they just believe, oh, it
53:25was a bunch of white guys who hated
53:26black people and they own slaves and and
53:28that's evil and let's knock down their
53:29statues and build statues of George
53:31Floyd instead. I mean, those people are
53:33not just crazy. They are freaking
53:36dangerous and they're close. You know,
53:37they not only dominate one of our major
53:40two parties. They are absolutely in
53:42control of one of our our major two
53:44parties, which was not always the case.
53:46But they also dominate our huge swaths
53:49of our press. And you know, I think that
53:51even even some of the press that I would
53:53call right leaning, they don't
53:56understand it. They do not understand.
53:58>> Listen, let me let me play you a little
54:00sampling, okay? This is Democrats and
54:02media, but I repeat myself, but just
54:04take it. Here's a little flavor of how
54:05they've been talking about uh the
54:07Minnesota case 53.
54:14>> That ICE agent murdered a woman in
54:16Minneapolis.
54:17>> This officer not only needs to be fired
54:20and suspended, but based on the video,
54:23he needs to be charged with murder.
54:25>> I'm mad. I'm pissed off. This looks like
54:27murder. ICE has gone rogue. That officer
54:32needs to be arrested and prosecuted.
54:35>> When I look at that video, I see murder.
54:38>> I will not be gaslight lit by
54:41these people. Jonathan Ross murdered
54:43her.
54:44>> Okay, here's one more. S 52. This is the
54:47newly reformed CBS News. The reporter
54:50Nicole Saganja.
54:53DHS this weekend released a video
54:55showing the minutes leading up to the
54:57murder of Renee Good. She and others are
55:00heard honking car horns.
55:03Trump administration officials have
55:04claimed she intended to ram ICE agents
55:07before she was shot.
55:08>> Well, there's only two options, Andrew.
55:10It's either stupidity or intentional
55:12malfeasance. What?
55:13>> It's intentional. It's intentional
55:15malfeasance. Listen, even though you
55:16guys were talking about language when
55:17you were talking about the Supreme Court
55:19and even the language they use when they
55:21say you have a right to protest in this
55:22country. Absolutely. If you want to
55:24stand off on the sidelines with a sign
55:27saying if you're really really nice, you
55:28get to break our immigration laws, go
55:31right ahead. But these people are
55:32throwing things at federal law
55:34enforcement officers who are actually
55:37doing what they are hired to do. It's
55:39not like they're breaking the law. It's
55:40not like they're being abusive. They are
55:42actually doing what they're supposed to
55:43do, which is enforce federal law. And
55:45and people are debating whether the
55:47wheels were turned quite toward the
55:49agent when she tried to run him over and
55:51and are saying, "Well, he could have
55:52jumped out of the way or, you know, he
55:54should shoot to wound like on an episode
55:56of the Lone Ranger television program
55:58from the 1950s." You know, it's like
56:00it's like it's nonsense. I mean, these
56:02are guys the the main thing you want in
56:04this situation is that law enforcement
56:05goes home safe. That's the that's the
56:07main thing I want. I want them to know
56:08that law enforcement can enforce our
56:10laws and go home to their families
56:11without being injured. And if you're out
56:13there injuring them, you know, listen, I
56:15am not somebody at all who is
56:17celebrating the death of uh of Renee
56:20Good. You know, that's not at all what
56:21I'm doing. I'm just saying, you know,
56:23when when you do that to a law
56:25enforcement officer, you're risking your
56:26life. And it's not his fault if you lose
56:28it. That is the only thing. And it's
56:30terribly sad and it's terribly bad, but
56:32it's not the fault of the officer at
56:34all. And that's the the general
56:36>> I agree. It's sad she made the decisions
56:38she made that day. That's what I'm sad
56:40about. And that her children are paying
56:41the price for it. No one wants to see a
56:43child suffer, but they are suffering
56:45right now because of their mother's
56:46really terrible judgment. Um, I did want
56:49to show you a little bit of the flavor
56:50of the of the lunacy. Speaking of like
56:53this is the enemy. Um, let's run these
56:54thoughts. There's out of Minneapolis
56:56with the protesters yesterday.
57:00>> Start with 59. If they're going to
57:02murder us while calling us
57:04then I think we need to be
57:06bigger
57:09Ice.
57:10>> The world is on fire and things are
57:14horrendous right now and I'm not going
57:15to pretend otherwise. I want to be clear
57:17where I stand. ICE. If they come to
57:21my town, I will be in the streets
57:22defending my community. Don't look away
57:25from this. It is so important that we
57:27keeping paying attention. Hey. Hey. If
57:30you're an ICE agent, this might be a
57:32good time to kiss your spouse and kids
57:34goodbye because you know what? You might
57:36not be coming home tomorrow.
57:38>> Wow.
57:38>> Gladly. And your family will be
57:41>> Okay, I'm just got one more for you,
57:42Andrew, and I'll give you the floor.
57:43Speaking of the white people duty, Joy
57:46Reid felt the need to weigh in. Here she
57:48is in s 57.
57:50>> This woman was part of a group of people
57:53who they train to try to be ICE
57:55interruptors. And what they try to do is
57:57observe what ICE is doing, film them,
57:59and try to use their white privilege to
58:01be honest. They're mainly white people,
58:04>> which is what we asked,
58:05>> which is what we asked them to do,
58:06right?
58:07>> Cuz black people like we can't get on,
58:08we can't put our bodies on the line
58:10because cops will shoot us. And so the
58:12presumption had been particularly a
58:14white woman cuz remember part of the
58:15rationale for doing this with ICE is to
58:18save white women, pristine white women,
58:20from being ravaged by, you know,
58:22criminal brown men.
58:23>> Great. White women have been taking the
58:26lead in being the ones to step.
58:28>> Wow.
58:30>> Great. Well, is there some problem with
58:32having white women get saved from rapes,
58:34Joy? Anyway, you you get the flavor,
58:36right? You get the flavor.
58:37>> Yeah, absolutely. And this race thing, I
58:39mean, it's the same with every social
58:41movement in America. It starts out with
58:44a perfectly reasonable ask, you know,
58:46can we please, you know, not ban black
58:48people from using the same bathrooms as
58:50white people? and it ends up being taken
58:52over by the left and being turned into
58:54the exact opposite of what's it's
58:56supposed to be. Civil rights is now in
58:58this country a racist movement. It was
59:00didn't start out that way. They promised
59:02us it wasn't going to become that way.
59:04But that is what it's become. And the
59:05other day, Donald Trump said because of
59:07civil rights laws, white people are
59:08being mistreated. And everybody said,
59:09"Oh, how shocking. What a terrible
59:11thing." He's right. He's abs absolutely
59:14right because the left takes over every
59:16social movement. And the reason, look,
59:18the reason is we're blind in one eye
59:20because of our media's corruption and
59:21because of our academyy's corruption and
59:24because of Hollywood's corruption. We
59:26see everything through the left-wing
59:28perspective, every single thing. And it
59:30affects even right-wing people's
59:32thinking. They don't understand how
59:33dangerous the left is. And when you're
59:35talking, that's just pure racism. It's
59:37pure racism that they're talking.
59:39They're spewing this hatefulness. And
59:41I'm as against racism now against white
59:43people as I was when it was against
59:45black people. There's absolutely no
59:46difference in my mind either. Either
59:48it's right to judge people by the color
59:50of their skin or it's wrong. And I say
59:51it's wrong. And I say that on biblical
59:53principles, but I say it also on just
59:55moral principles. It's it's wrong to
59:57judge people by the color of their skin,
59:59but that's whatever color it is. And you
1:00:02know, I keep hearing this word white
1:00:04used as a porative. You know, if you can
1:00:07do that, then you can use black as a
1:00:08pjorative, too. And they've constructed
1:00:10I know all the theories. I've read,
1:00:12unfortunately for me, all the theories
1:00:14for my sins by which they construct a a
1:00:17uh a fabric of of lies that makes it
1:00:20allowable to be racist against white
1:00:22people when it's not allowable to be
1:00:23racist against black people. It's a
1:00:25total grift. It's not good thinking.
1:00:27It's not reasonable thinking and the
1:00:28press just goes along and the Democrats
1:00:30just go along. And it really is a shame
1:00:32and it's it's something that is just
1:00:35it's a frightening moment because Donald
1:00:37Trump is not as popular as I wish he
1:00:39was. I mean, he's done he's done he's
1:00:41doing a great job, but he talks a lot
1:00:43and he says a lot of things that they
1:00:45can pin on him and he's not that
1:00:47popular.
1:00:47>> He is he's he's raised a good point many
1:00:49times about the economy, which is I like
1:00:52I can't fix it overnight. Yes, it's been
1:00:54a year, but the economy is like a
1:00:56aircraft carrier. Like that thing turns
1:00:59very slowly and he has been trying. He
1:01:02has been trying, but I think Trump
1:01:04believes he's entitled to a little bit
1:01:06more grace in actually, you know, seeing
1:01:08the results translate into people's
1:01:10pocketbooks. And I agree with him on
1:01:11that. Like, he's rolled back
1:01:13regulations. He's gotten so much
1:01:15investment by corporate America and the
1:01:18corporate world into the United States.
1:01:21He's pressured companies into keeping
1:01:22their manufacturing companies here. He's
1:01:25using the tariffs or trying to uh in a
1:01:27way that he thinks is actually going to
1:01:28ultimately bring down costs. you know,
1:01:30it's it's up for debate, but he's you
1:01:31can't say he's not trying. Um, and so I
1:01:34think like he's right that he deserves a
1:01:36little bit more time, and I think those
1:01:37approval numbers will go up once people
1:01:40start to feel the relief of the economic
1:01:43uh pain they're under. Um, there's
1:01:44there's a bunch to get to still. I
1:01:46really want to talk to you about Scott
1:01:48Adams. I'm devastated.
1:01:49>> So, it's so sad. Yeah.
1:01:51>> Devastated. But wait, I I I just want to
1:01:54do one news item before we get to Scott,
1:01:56which is
1:01:57>> the Clintons. Uh, Bill Clinton, is it
1:02:00Bill and Hillary were supposed to show
1:02:02up today? At least Bill was supposed to
1:02:04show up today and testify before the
1:02:06House over oversight committee um on
1:02:09Epstein. You know, they're doing this
1:02:11big probe into what really happened and
1:02:13what they're learning in these
1:02:14documents. And Hillary's supposed to
1:02:16show up tomorrow, so we'll see if she
1:02:18shows up. But listen to Representative
1:02:20James Comr today. S5.
1:02:23>> This is the amount of preparation that
1:02:25went into this deposition today. These
1:02:28were the questions that we were prepared
1:02:30to ask. We've communicated with
1:02:32President Clinton's legal team for
1:02:35months now, given them opportunity after
1:02:37opportunity to to come in to give us a
1:02:41day, and they continue to uh delay,
1:02:44delay, delay to the point to where we
1:02:46had no idea whether they're going to
1:02:47show up today or not. I think it's very
1:02:49disappointing. uh as a result of Bill
1:02:52Clinton not showing up for his lawful
1:02:54subpoena, which again was voted on it
1:02:56unanimously by the committee in a
1:02:58bipartisan manner.
1:03:00>> Okay. So, she's supposed to show up
1:03:02tomorrow and she says she won't. Um and
1:03:05now they are defying a government
1:03:07subpoena. They are risking being held in
1:03:09contempt of Congress, which is what sent
1:03:11our pal Steve Bannon to jail. Uh which
1:03:14is what sent Peter Navaro to jail. So,
1:03:16good luck with that. Um they were
1:03:19scheduled to appear for these closed
1:03:20doors depositions today and tomorrow. In
1:03:22a letter, attorneys for the Clinton say
1:03:24they won't be complying, writing,
1:03:26"President and Secretary Clinton have
1:03:27already provided the limited limited
1:03:29info they possess about Epstein and
1:03:31Galain Maxwell to the committee. They
1:03:33did so proactively and voluntarily and
1:03:35despite the fact that the subpoenas are
1:03:36invalid and legally uninforcable. Why?
1:03:39untethered to a valid legislative
1:03:41purpose, unwarranted because they do not
1:03:44seek pertinent information and an
1:03:46unprecedented infringement on the
1:03:48separation of powers. Okay. The
1:03:50attorneys called the episode nothing
1:03:51more than a ploy to attempt to embarrass
1:03:53political rivals as President Trump has
1:03:56directed. Wow. So, they're not going,
1:03:59Andrew. And you tell me whether their
1:04:01next trip should be um to Rikers.
1:04:05>> Absolutely. They should at least be
1:04:07given house arrest in Steve Bannon's
1:04:08house. I think that would be an even
1:04:10harsher punishment. You know, it is it
1:04:13is this thing that they do with the law
1:04:14though. They talk about the rule of law,
1:04:15the rule of law, the rule of law until
1:04:17it's them. Until it has to do with, you
1:04:19know, attacking an ICE agent or denying
1:04:21a subpoena or anything else they want to
1:04:23do. The stuff that uh Jack Smith, have I
1:04:26got his right first name right? It's
1:04:27Jack Smith, right? The the guy went
1:04:29after the prosecutor went after Trump.
1:04:31the things he's been saying to Congress
1:04:33behind closed doors, what his
1:04:35interpretation of the law, which would
1:04:36essentially erase the First Amendment.
1:04:39This is it's it is a really interesting
1:04:42mindset that the people who vote for
1:04:45Democrats aren't sitting back and
1:04:47saying, "Well, wait a minute. You know,
1:04:48I actually was in I'm in favor of the
1:04:51rule of law. I was in favor of them
1:04:53taking away Steve Bannon, so why
1:04:55shouldn't I be in favor of them taking
1:04:57away Bill Clinton?" It's funny that they
1:04:58don't say that because even even I say
1:05:00that from time to time when a
1:05:02right-winger goes astray. I say, you
1:05:04know, hey, if it's it's sauce for the
1:05:05gander, sauce for the goose, but they
1:05:07don't. It just absolutely stops at the
1:05:09Republicans's door. The rule of law is
1:05:11is only for Republicans. It's the way
1:05:13they think now.
1:05:14>> No. So, well, I look forward to watching
1:05:16what happens next. And I really do hope
1:05:17that there's uh because you know what
1:05:20what's happened in the past like um
1:05:21Merrick Garland got found in contempt of
1:05:23Congress.
1:05:24>> Yes. But surprise, surprise, there was
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1:05:28the prosecuting. But uh things have
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1:07:24I was in the Supreme Court all morning
1:07:28and did not know that Scott died. Um he
1:07:31had just said the other day, he had just
1:07:33said on his show that when they when you
1:07:36deteriorate marketkedly from month to
1:07:39month, you should have months left to
1:07:42live.
1:07:43>> That when it happens week to week, you
1:07:44should have weeks. And when it happens
1:07:46dayto day, you probably have just days.
1:07:48>> Yeah.
1:07:49>> And a couple days later, he died. He And
1:07:51he said he thought he had months. He
1:07:53said he thought he had months left. So
1:07:54it happened quickly. and um his ex-wife
1:07:57Shelley Miles Adams went on his feed
1:08:00today and delivered the following
1:08:02message. Sat 71.
1:08:08>> Everyone,
1:08:09unfortunately, this isn't good news.
1:08:13Of course, he waited till just before
1:08:16the show started, but he's not with us
1:08:19right anymore.
1:08:20He has a final message that he wanted to
1:08:23say. Many of my Christian friends have
1:08:25asked me to find Jesus before I go. I'm
1:08:29not a believer, but I have to admit the
1:08:33riskreward calculation for doing so
1:08:36looks so attractive to me. So, here I
1:08:39go.
1:08:41I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and
1:08:44Savior and look forward to spending an
1:08:48eternity with him.
1:08:50The part about me not being a believer
1:08:52should be quite quickly resolved if I
1:08:56wake up in heaven.
1:09:00>> Great line. What a great classic Scott
1:09:02Adams offbeat out of left field uh and
1:09:06and beautiful and uh you know it's it's
1:09:08Pascal's wager. It's a it's got a long
1:09:10tradition. Uh you know Pascal was a
1:09:12great mathematician who converted to
1:09:13Christianity and he said it only makes
1:09:15sense that you're risking eternity. It
1:09:17only makes sense to believe because you
1:09:18don't lose anything by believing, but
1:09:20you could gain eternity and it's worth
1:09:22it's worth the wager. And so that was
1:09:24what Scott was saying. You know, he was
1:09:25listen I it's it's funny. I I used to
1:09:28listen to Scott all the time and I I had
1:09:29him on my show very early on when he
1:09:31started talking about political things
1:09:33and just really liked him. If if you had
1:09:36asked me do I agree with like 50% of
1:09:38what I what he said, I probably would
1:09:40have said no. But who who cares, you
1:09:42know? I mean, he was a creative,
1:09:43original guy, full of goodwill. almost
1:09:46always gracious, which I really
1:09:48appreciate in this atmosphere. I mean,
1:09:50he was always gracious to the people uh
1:09:52he attacked. He would always tell people
1:09:53he was a far-left. Uh I I didn't see
1:09:56really see a lot of uh evidence of that,
1:09:59but he he claimed it all the time, but a
1:10:02big Trump supporter. The the press, of
1:10:04course, the New York Times, and one of
1:10:06the pettiest, meanest little headlines
1:10:08I've ever seen said he was a popular
1:10:10cartoonist until his racist remarks
1:10:13caused him to be cancelled. He never
1:10:15made racist remarks. Uh he said that a a
1:10:18poll showing that more than half of
1:10:20black people didn't like white people.
1:10:21He said you you might want to avoid uh
1:10:23people on the basis of that because
1:10:25they're they're hostile. That's not a
1:10:27racist remark. That's about hostility
1:10:29and about the way people feel. And just
1:10:31the the the wickedness of of the the
1:10:34left in these moments is is a little
1:10:36hard to take. But the memory of Scott
1:10:38Adams is is a beautiful one. I mean they
1:10:40you know the the Jews say may his memory
1:10:41be a blessing. I think it will be a
1:10:43blessing. He was just a a guy who came
1:10:45with these ideas that sometimes you just
1:10:47sit and blink and have to think about
1:10:48them all day long because you weren't
1:10:51sure where he was coming from. And yet
1:10:53they were really helpful to people. His
1:10:55his advice, it's kind of like Jordan
1:10:57Peterson. I frequently disagree with
1:10:58Jordan Peterson. His advice is always
1:11:00great. Uh Scott's advice was always
1:11:01great. And and again always delivered
1:11:04with this kind of whimsical uh hilarious
1:11:08dead pan gracious way of being. He was a
1:11:12voice that made the internet better,
1:11:14which is not an easy thing to do. And uh
1:11:17I'm I'm really going to miss him. I I
1:11:18really think it's a it's a sad day and
1:11:21uh happened way too soon at this point.
1:11:23You know, sometimes
1:11:24>> 68 years old and I felt like
1:11:27>> he deserved more time. You know, when he
1:11:28announced casually that he had
1:11:30metastatic prostate cancer and that it
1:11:32had spread to his bones,
1:11:33>> right after Joe Biden's announcement
1:11:35came out, he he said, you know, not for
1:11:37nothing, he goes, I have that, too, and
1:11:38I I don't have very long to live. It was
1:11:40like what? Everyone was shocked and it
1:11:44happened too fast. You know, I just felt
1:11:46like we we we were owed more time, which
1:11:48of course is not how these things work.
1:11:50>> Can I point out one thing that he said
1:11:51that I thought was important? He he said
1:11:53that when he started talking supporting
1:11:55Trump, he lost his friends. He lost a
1:11:57lot of his work. He lost almost all of
1:11:59his speaking engagements. So, he was
1:12:00making like 50 to 100 grand per speaking
1:12:03engagement. And he said, "And I may have
1:12:05lost my health." which at least is an
1:12:07indication that it was this tremendous
1:12:08stressor to him. It was something that
1:12:10really got under uh his skin. And I I
1:12:13know people who have gotten very very
1:12:15ill with fatal diseases, with
1:12:17potentially fatal diseases after going
1:12:19through stress like this. And I think it
1:12:21is just a a a sad statement about our
1:12:24society that a guy of that much
1:12:26graciousness, wit, humor, and uh and
1:12:29wild, you know, helpful ideas uh should
1:12:32feel that maybe his health was
1:12:33compromised by the way he was treated by
1:12:35our intellectual chattering classes.
1:12:38>> He he was brilliant and he was the
1:12:42original Trump whisperer when nobody
1:12:45thought Trump could win. Yep. I mean
1:12:47early on in the 1516 campaign he said
1:12:50he's going to win and it was because he
1:12:52is he was an expert in persuasion. He he
1:12:56was a hypnotist
1:12:58>> and he had learned it's the it's like
1:12:59the same thing as persuasion and he had
1:13:01learned the way people who have high
1:13:03persuasion skills sound and he saw Trump
1:13:06doing it from the beginning and he used
1:13:07to do a lot of shows analyzing it. It
1:13:09was a very interesting thing to listen
1:13:10to and so that's why he predicted it
1:13:13when very few did. I know some did, but
1:13:15very few did. Um, he saw it coming. And
1:13:18I mean, everything he I I watched his
1:13:20show from time to time. It wasn't like a
1:13:22regular thing for me. But every time I
1:13:24tuned in, I learned something. Scott
1:13:25would make an interesting quick
1:13:27prediction about something, and I'd be
1:13:28like, "Oh my god, that's so obviously
1:13:29right. Why didn't I think of that?"
1:13:31>> He just had a different way into every
1:13:32story. And he he was very accurate in
1:13:35his ability to size people up, stories
1:13:38up, take something, be like, "That's not
1:13:40going to happen. That is gonna happen. I
1:13:42believe that. I don't believe that." and
1:13:44you're like, "Yes, same, same." as soon
1:13:46as you'd hear him say it. Um, I do want
1:13:48to talk about the controversy because
1:13:49I'm I'm disgusted.
1:13:52People magazine. Didn't I tell you, my
1:13:54friends in the audience, didn't I just
1:13:56say yesterday People magazine is a
1:13:58tabloid magazine? They're the new
1:14:00gawker. They're disgusting. Stop buying
1:14:03People magazine. They're gross. They
1:14:06come out with a headline, Scott Adams,
1:14:09disgraced Dilbert creator, dies at 68.
1:14:13>> This is so disgusting. The Boston Globe,
1:14:16Scott Adams, Dilbert creator, who veered
1:14:19into racist far-right commentary dies.
1:14:23That's their headline to sum up this
1:14:25man's life. New York Times breaking
1:14:29news. Scott Adams, whose comic strip
1:14:32Dilbert was a sensation until he made
1:14:34racist comments on his podcast, has died
1:14:38at 68. And by the way, I'll get I'll get
1:14:41to the juxaposition of the New York
1:14:43Times on Kasam Solommani when he died uh
1:14:48versus what they're saying about Scott
1:14:50Adams. But I do want to start with um
1:14:54the People magazine piece. I'm telling
1:14:56you, stop buying People magazine. Stop
1:14:59going to their website online. Don't
1:15:01support these people. They are far-left.
1:15:04They hate conservatives and they've gone
1:15:06totally tabloid. Matt Walsh posts the
1:15:09name of the writer who attacked Scott
1:15:12Adams. It's Victoria Edel. Edel. He
1:15:15writes, "This is the monstrosity who
1:15:17wrote the vile article. Scott Adams was
1:15:19a great man loved and mourned by
1:15:20millions. This person is a nobody. Loved
1:15:23by no one. The world won't even notice
1:15:25when this person dies." Now they took
1:15:28down her name and exchanged it for staff
1:15:33staff at people because they don't want
1:15:34to take um you know the responsibility
1:15:38for it. And hold on there was one more
1:15:42I can't find it. Hold. Oh yeah. Is this
1:15:44you know this is from from Matt. I'm
1:15:47trying to find it there. It's mixed in.
1:15:48I can't find it. It's in the midst of
1:15:49all my Supreme Court messages. My my
1:15:52phone is a mess. My team is gonna help
1:15:54me with it. But in the meantime, I want
1:15:55to read you this because there is a
1:15:56final message from Scott.
1:15:59Okay, I'm gonna read Look at this in
1:16:01part. It's long. If you're reading this,
1:16:04things did not what Andrew has to go.
1:16:07All right, I I'll let you go, Andrew.
1:16:08I'll just finish it up with the
1:16:09audience, but thank you. Thank you so
1:16:10much for being here. I don't want to
1:16:12>> It's great to see you, Megan. Thanks a
1:16:13lot. It's always great to see you.
1:16:14Byebye.
1:16:14>> To be continued. All right, so this is
1:16:16from Scott for the audience. If you're
1:16:19reading this, things did not go well for
1:16:20me. What a sweet opening line. I have a
1:16:23few things to say before I go. My body
1:16:26failed before my brain. I am of sound
1:16:28mind as I write this January 1st, 2026.
1:16:31If you wonder about any of my choices
1:16:34for my estate or anything else, please
1:16:35know I'm free of any coercion or
1:16:37inappropriate influence of any sort. I
1:16:39promise. Next, many of my Christian
1:16:41friends have asked me to find Jesus
1:16:44before I go. I'm not a believer, but I
1:16:46have to admit the riskreward calculation
1:16:48for doing so looks so attractive. So,
1:16:51here I go.
1:16:52You heard his ex-wife read some of this.
1:16:54I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and
1:16:56Savior, and I look forward to spending
1:16:58an eternity with him. Um, the the part
1:17:01about me not being a believer should be
1:17:03quickly resolved if I wake up in heaven.
1:17:05I won't need any more convincing than
1:17:06that, and I hope I'm still qualified for
1:17:08entry. With your permission, I'd like to
1:17:10explain something about my life. For the
1:17:13first part of my life, I was focused on
1:17:14making myself a worthy husband and
1:17:15parent as a way to find meaning. That
1:17:18worked. But marriages don't always last
1:17:20forever. And mine eventually ended in a
1:17:22highly amicable way. I'm grateful for
1:17:25these years. Those years and the people
1:17:27I came to call my family. Once the
1:17:30marriage unwound, I needed a new focus,
1:17:32a new meaning. And so I donated myself
1:17:35to the world, literally speaking the
1:17:37words out loud in my otherwise silent
1:17:39home. From that point on, I looked for
1:17:41ways I could add the most to people's
1:17:43lives one way or another. That marked
1:17:45the sort the start of my evolution from
1:17:48Dilbert cartoonist to an author of what
1:17:51I hoped would be useful books. Boy was
1:17:54he ever. By then, I believed I had
1:17:56amassed enough life lessons that I could
1:17:57start passing them on. I continued
1:17:59making Dilbert comics, of course. As
1:18:02luck would have it, I'm a good writer.
1:18:04My first book in the useful genre was
1:18:07How to Fail at Almost Everything and
1:18:08Still Win Big. That book turned out to
1:18:10be a huge success, often imitated and
1:18:12influencing a wide variety of people. I
1:18:14still hear every day how much that book
1:18:16changed lives. My plan to be useful was
1:18:20working. Stand by. Next page. I followed
1:18:25up with my book, Win Bigly, that trained
1:18:27an army of citizens how to be more
1:18:29persuasive, which they correctly saw as
1:18:31a minor superpower. I know that book
1:18:33changed lives because I hear it often.
1:18:35You'll probably never know the impact
1:18:36the book had on the world, but I know.
1:18:39and it pleases me while giving me a
1:18:41sense of meaning that is impossible to
1:18:43describe. My next book, Loser Think,
1:18:46tried to teach people how to think
1:18:47better, especially if they were
1:18:48displaying their thinking on social
1:18:50media. That one didn't put much of a
1:18:52dent in the universe, but I tried.
1:18:54Finally, my book, Reframe Your Brain, he
1:18:57came out and promoted that with all of
1:18:58us. Taught readers how to program their
1:19:00own thoughts to make their personal and
1:19:02professional lives better. I was
1:19:04surprised and delighted at how much
1:19:06positive impact that book is having. I
1:19:09also started podcasting a live show
1:19:11called Coffee with Scott Adams dedicated
1:19:13to helping people think about the world
1:19:15and their lives in a more productive
1:19:17way. I didn't plan it this way, but it
1:19:19ended up helping lots of lonely people
1:19:21find a community that made them feel
1:19:22less lonely. Again, that had great
1:19:24meaning for me.
1:19:28I had an amazing life. I gave it
1:19:31everything I had. If you got any
1:19:33benefits from my work, I'm asking you to
1:19:36pay it forward as best you can. That is
1:19:38a legacy I want. Be useful and please
1:19:41know I loved you all to the end. Scott
1:19:44Adams. Wow, it's a beautiful message.
1:19:47Gosh, he did so well. He did so well
1:19:49right to the end with his messaging for
1:19:51all of us in giving of him himself when
1:19:53he was so sick and in hospice care,
1:19:55which he announced last week.
1:19:57Why do the bad ones hang on forever and
1:19:59the good ones go so quickly? like I
1:20:03don't know, you just hear like someone
1:20:05terrible has something happen to them
1:20:07and like then they linger for another 20
1:20:09years. Scott Adams announces six months
1:20:12ago that he's got metastatic prostate
1:20:14cancer and he's gone in what felt like a
1:20:17heartbeat.
1:20:20I loved loved loved listening to Scott.
1:20:23I learned from Scott a lot. I found so
1:20:28many useful nuggets in the lessons that
1:20:30he brought and he was one of my teachers
1:20:33and I'm really going to miss him. I'm
1:20:35very sad for him. I'm sad for his family
1:20:37and I'm sad for the right, you know,
1:20:39like we keep losing people and um it
1:20:43hurts. It hurts like the movement, the
1:20:46push back against the lunatic left. We
1:20:48need people like Scott like with genuine
1:20:51wisdom to give. Gone too soon at 68. and
1:20:55those quote eulogies offered by the
1:20:57mainstream
1:20:59do not do him justice. How dare they
1:21:02take this one moment he had a couple of
1:21:05years ago and you guys remember remember
1:21:06he came on here to talk about the
1:21:08controversy. We were his first interview
1:21:11after he did that show talking about the
1:21:14poll on on black people not wanting to
1:21:17live um near white people and him
1:21:20saying, you know, me either then, you
1:21:22know, it was like it was classic Scott
1:21:24because it was provocative and it was a
1:21:25little tongue and cheek and it was sort
1:21:27of part social experiment and he came on
1:21:29to explain all that to us. Steve, can
1:21:31you find the episode number just in case
1:21:33people want to go back and listen to it?
1:21:35Um, well,
1:21:38no, I don't want to play it now. I don't
1:21:40want to get back into it, but we'll find
1:21:41the episode number for you because we
1:21:42talk about that in a bunch with him. So,
1:21:45he wasn't But like to take that one
1:21:47moment, like that one controversy, and
1:21:49make it his eulogy, his obituary, and in
1:21:53the headline, no less after all the good
1:21:56he's done in the world, episode 638.
1:21:58Thank you. 638 is just immoral. It's
1:22:03immoral.
1:22:04Like why can't there be a bigger pull
1:22:08among the media to just when you're
1:22:10eulogizing someone just try to stick to
1:22:14their best moments and bury the stuff
1:22:17you find controversial if you must put
1:22:19it in his obit down by the bottom. Why?
1:22:22How dare you put that into his head his
1:22:25the headline. And I just think it's like
1:22:28they would never do this to their side
1:22:30or to their heroes or even to like
1:22:33villains. I I mentioned the thing about
1:22:36uh Solommani. Stand by. I'm I'm going to
1:22:39read it to you here. This is what they
1:22:41did to Scott Adams versus to Solommani,
1:22:47a terrorist. Um,
1:22:52okay. Drew Holden found this online.
1:22:55Scott Adams, audacious creator of the
1:22:57Dilbert comic strip, dies at 68. His
1:23:00chronicle of a corporate cubicle dweller
1:23:02was widely distributed until racist
1:23:04comments on his podcast led newspapers
1:23:06to cut their ties with him. Here's Kasim
1:23:10Solommani.
1:23:12Kasim Solommani, master of Iran's
1:23:15intrigue, built a Shiite axis of power
1:23:18in the Middle East. The commander helped
1:23:21direct wars in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and
1:23:23Yemen, and became the face of Iran's
1:23:24efforts to build a regional block of
1:23:26Shiite power. Um, how about all of the
1:23:28stuff about his terrorism and the
1:23:30Americans he killed? He killed
1:23:32Americans. That didn't make it into the
1:23:35headline or the subhead. But Scott Adams
1:23:39comments, which again, they weren't
1:23:42actually racist. You have to go back and
1:23:44listen to the episode, but in the New
1:23:45York Times world they were, it's just
1:23:48wrong. You know, I I I shudder to think
1:23:52what they'll do to me when hopefully
1:23:54many many decades from now I pass. But I
1:23:57also don't really give a because
1:23:58they don't define me and they don't
1:24:00define Scott. And the people who loved
1:24:03Scott and the people who love all of us
1:24:05listening to this show right now know
1:24:08who we are, right? They don't believe
1:24:10this like being in the public
1:24:13eye, they will tear you limb from limb,
1:24:17even in death. And all you can hope is
1:24:21that the people who did know you, who
1:24:23listened to you, in Scott's case, and
1:24:25listened to your show, and maybe
1:24:27occasionally actually got something out
1:24:29of it, know in their hearts who you
1:24:31were. I'm disgusted by People magazine.
1:24:34I spit on People magazine. I'm disgusted
1:24:37with the New York Times, as I am every
1:24:39day. and the Boston Globe, too. Shame on
1:24:43you for for joining in on this.
1:24:46I'll miss him, and I know millions of
1:24:49Americans will miss him. And I know
1:24:51people listening to this show right now
1:24:52feel the same. So, thank you all for
1:24:55being not just truth tellers, but people
1:24:57who see through the And I
1:25:00believe the people listening to the show
1:25:02have been trained now that when you see
1:25:06anyone in the right wing getting piled
1:25:09on and Scott may have called himself a
1:25:10leftist but he he was right-wing he was
1:25:12a right-wing savant. Okay, whether
1:25:16whatever his positions were on various
1:25:17issues to issues that's a different
1:25:19story but like he was ours that he was
1:25:22by the end of his life he was ours and
1:25:24it's perfectly fitting that he converted
1:25:25to Christianity right before he passed.
1:25:28um that you you have to take it all with
1:25:30so many grains of salt. You have to take
1:25:31it all with like one of those huge salt
1:25:33mountains that you see in the wintertime
1:25:35before they go to to salt the roads, you
1:25:38know, because they lie. They lie lie lie
1:25:41about people like Scott and it's deeply
1:25:43immoral to do it in the man's obit.
1:25:46Anyway, what a show. Gosh, thank you all
1:25:47for listening. We've got another barn
1:25:49burner for you tomorrow where I'll be
1:25:51back in Connecticut and uh we will have
1:25:54Emily Jashinsky. There's going to be a
1:25:55lot to go over. I can see it breaking on
1:25:57my phone right now. We'll see you then.

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