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Market Deep Dive - Will Prices Keep Falling? One Piece TCG — Transcript

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  1. 0:00Hello and welcome to One Piece of
  2. 0:02Insight. In today's video, I will be
  3. 0:04checking in on our market indexes to do
  4. 0:06a deep dive on whether or not I think we
  5. 0:08are nearing the bottom of the correction
  6. 0:10or whether cards and booster boxes still
  7. 0:12have further to fall. So, with that, as
  8. 0:14always, this is intended to be
  9. 0:15interesting and informative, but not
  10. 0:17financial advice. Let's jump right in.
  11. 0:19So, let's first start by talking about
  12. 0:20our indices. So, we had the SP index
  13. 0:24falling 3% over the last month, the
  14. 0:26Booster Box index falling 4% over the
  15. 0:29last month, and promo cards falling 2%
  16. 0:32over the last month. Now, if you watched
  17. 0:33our video last month, you would know
  18. 0:35that this is a significant slowdown in
  19. 0:37the decrease in prices. We had much
  20. 0:40sharper falls from July to August than
  21. 0:42we did from August to September. But we
  22. 0:44can see the market is still bleeding uh
  23. 0:46across all indices. So, I think on the
  24. 0:48one hand, it's kind of negative to see
  25. 0:50that the market is still declining, but
  26. 0:52on the other hand, seeing such a sharp
  27. 0:54slowing in velocity of declines made me
  28. 0:56ask the question, does this mean that
  29. 0:58we're getting close to the bottom and we
  30. 1:00might start to see gains again soon? So,
  31. 1:02in order to try to break down this
  32. 1:04question, I wanted to have a few
  33. 1:06different hypotheses of what I thought a
  34. 1:08market that was about to hit the bottom
  35. 1:10might look like. So, those hypotheses
  36. 1:12are I think blue chips will stabilize
  37. 1:15first, right? The reason a market will
  38. 1:17stabilize is because at a certain point
  39. 1:19collectors will say that price is too
  40. 1:21cheap. Now is the time for me to buy it
  41. 1:23and they will jump in and that will
  42. 1:25create a price floor which will
  43. 1:26eventually stop the prices from going
  44. 1:28down and hopefully cause prices to go up
  45. 1:30again. That is most likely going to
  46. 1:32happen with the best cards first, right?
  47. 1:34Because those are the cards that the
  48. 1:35collectors are keeping an eye on to see
  49. 1:37if they hit a price that they really
  50. 1:39want to buy at. The next thing that I
  51. 1:41think would likely happen if we were
  52. 1:42nearing the bottom is we would see
  53. 1:44recently hyped cards correcting the
  54. 1:46most. So essentially what would be
  55. 1:48happening is that the market is
  56. 1:49continuing to find pockets where things
  57. 1:51have been overvalued and correcting
  58. 1:53those things. And we would expect that
  59. 1:55things that had were hyped many many
  60. 1:57months ago would have finished
  61. 1:58correcting and have reached their
  62. 2:00natural floor whereas things that got
  63. 2:01hyped up much more recently might still
  64. 2:04be falling more because they had gained
  65. 2:05more over a shorter period of time. And
  66. 2:07finally, I think we would expect to see
  67. 2:09vintage or in the case of One Piece,
  68. 2:10just, you know, the older sets stabilize
  69. 2:13before the newer sets. And the reason is
  70. 2:15because markets tend to hit a bottom
  71. 2:16when collectors step in and say, "Enough
  72. 2:19is enough. I'm just willing to buy these
  73. 2:20at this price." So, we would expect that
  74. 2:22the cards that are disproportionately in
  75. 2:25the hands of collectors who are less
  76. 2:28willing to sell them would stabilize
  77. 2:30first because there's less incentive for
  78. 2:32them to sell their cards when they hit a
  79. 2:35lower price. So, if you think about like
  80. 2:36the timeline of people opening cards,
  81. 2:39selling cards, collecting, we would
  82. 2:40generally expect vintage cards to have a
  83. 2:43higher percentage of their total cards
  84. 2:45already in the hands of collectors.
  85. 2:47Whereas newer cards, maybe they're
  86. 2:48getting opened in packs, maybe they're
  87. 2:50being graded, you know, maybe they're
  88. 2:51being traded from one person who opened
  89. 2:53it and didn't really want it that much.
  90. 2:55And so, if we see a sign that people who
  91. 2:57are hard collectors who've been in this
  92. 2:59for a while are saying, "Eh, it's not
  93. 3:01worth it to me to sell at that price."
  94. 3:02That is another mechanism that can cause
  95. 3:04the floor to stabilize, which is why I
  96. 3:06think vintage cards would likely
  97. 3:08stabilize before the newer stuff. And
  98. 3:10this is actually what we're seeing in
  99. 3:11Pokemon right now. Now, there are some
  100. 3:13other reasons there, too. Mostly has to
  101. 3:14do with population, but I think there's
  102. 3:16some evidence to believe that this would
  103. 3:17likely happen when we are about to hit
  104. 3:18the bottom. Okay, so let's dig into each
  105. 3:20of these. So, first we're going to look
  106. 3:22at the question of whether blue chip
  107. 3:23cards are stabilizing first. So, if we
  108. 3:26look at SPs, I decided to break SPS down
  109. 3:29into categories of over $800 and under
  110. 3:32$800 as a way to assess sort of like
  111. 3:34what are the most desirable of the SPS
  112. 3:37and see if there's a difference in the
  113. 3:38amount of price movement over the last
  114. 3:40month. And the SPs that were over $800
  115. 3:43have been stable over the last month.
  116. 3:45So, this is the type of thing that I
  117. 3:46think we would expect to see if we were
  118. 3:48nearing the bottom of the market, right?
  119. 3:50you know, you have your ebo3 SPS, you
  120. 3:52have your OP14 Zoro, you know, your Gum
  121. 3:55Gum Giant, your like most expensive SP
  122. 3:58cards sort of stabilizing in price,
  123. 4:00whereas some of the less desirable cards
  124. 4:02that are still very desirable, but less
  125. 4:04desirable than the most desirable ones
  126. 4:06continue to fall because people have not
  127. 4:09stepped in to buy those yet. And so,
  128. 4:11what we saw here is that the under $800
  129. 4:13cards are actually still down 5% over
  130. 4:16the last month. This is exactly what I
  131. 4:18would expect to see if we were hitting
  132. 4:19the bottom of a market, right? And that
  133. 4:20the correction was about to stabilize.
  134. 4:22So, let's talk about promo cards and see
  135. 4:23if we're seeing the same thing there.
  136. 4:25And again, we're seeing a very similar
  137. 4:27narrative. Now, major caveat, all these
  138. 4:30things have small sample size, right? I
  139. 4:32think in particular, the promo card
  140. 4:33selection is a relatively small sample
  141. 4:35size. These are relatively small
  142. 4:36differences, so we don't want to read
  143. 4:38into them too much. But I think promo
  144. 4:39cards are generally telling the same
  145. 4:41story that SPs are telling, which is
  146. 4:43that the most desirable promo cards, the
  147. 4:46ones that are over $300 in our index are
  148. 4:48only down 2%, whereas the ones that are
  149. 4:50under $300 are down 4%. You know, again,
  150. 4:54the way markets tend to work is that
  151. 4:56when you have a huge boom, first the
  152. 4:58most expensive cards go up, and then
  153. 5:00people look at the less expensive cards
  154. 5:01and say, "Well, this seems like a really
  155. 5:03good value compared to that other one."
  156. 5:05And then they pump that up. But then
  157. 5:07when money leaves the market, the first
  158. 5:09things that leave are the less desirable
  159. 5:10cards, right? And so we are still seeing
  160. 5:13more correcting happening on the less
  161. 5:15desirable under $300 promo cards than we
  162. 5:18are seeing on the $300 and up promo
  163. 5:21cards, which again is consistent with
  164. 5:23the narrative we would expect to see if
  165. 5:24we were nearing a bottom. Now, booster
  166. 5:26boxes, on the other hand, are telling a
  167. 5:27different story entirely. I looked at
  168. 5:29the over $500 set and the under $500 set
  169. 5:32and booster boxes over $500 are down 4%
  170. 5:35over the last month while booster boxes
  171. 5:38under $500 are down 1% over the last
  172. 5:40month. Now, this has been mainly driven
  173. 5:43by the OP1 booster boxes, both the blue
  174. 5:46bottoms and the white bottoms losing a
  175. 5:48significant percentage of their total
  176. 5:50value over the last several months and
  177. 5:52over this month in particular. Um, but I
  178. 5:55would say in general we are seeing these
  179. 5:57like less desirable vintage boxes that
  180. 5:59have less expensive chase cards in them
  181. 6:01continuing to fall month after month,
  182. 6:04whereas we're seeing sort of more
  183. 6:05stabilization and even growth in some of
  184. 6:07the later sets that have more desirable
  185. 6:09cards in them. So this is sort of the
  186. 6:11opposite of what you would expect to see
  187. 6:13if we were reaching the bottom of a
  188. 6:14market. And so my verdict here is that
  189. 6:16this is super mixed, right? You know, on
  190. 6:18the card side, I think we are seeing the
  191. 6:21most desirable cards holding their value
  192. 6:22a little bit better than the less
  193. 6:24desirable cards, right? That could be an
  194. 6:25indication that we're nearing the
  195. 6:27bottom. But then on the other hand,
  196. 6:28we're seeing the more expensive booster
  197. 6:31boxes, continuing to correct more,
  198. 6:34showing that people are still taking
  199. 6:36profits on those as opposed to stepping
  200. 6:38in and saying enough is enough. This is
  201. 6:40cheap enough for me to buy. So our next
  202. 6:41hypothesis that I wanted to test was the
  203. 6:43idea that recently hyped cards would be
  204. 6:46correcting the most, right? So that if
  205. 6:48we think about like cards run up, they
  206. 6:50hit their peak and then over time people
  207. 6:52start to try to rightsize that to figure
  208. 6:54out what the card should actually be
  209. 6:55worth. Generally speaking, the more time
  210. 6:58they've had to do that, you would expect
  211. 7:01those prices to be more stable, right?
  212. 7:03So, if a car jumped to $500 back in
  213. 7:05January and folks had 8 months to try to
  214. 7:09figure out what that price was, we would
  215. 7:11expect that the price now would be
  216. 7:12changing less because there was more
  217. 7:14time to figure out what the value of
  218. 7:15that should be. Whereas something that
  219. 7:17spiked in July where they've had less
  220. 7:20time to figure out what that price
  221. 7:21should be, we would expect that to be
  222. 7:22more volatile, right? Because folks are
  223. 7:24still figuring it out. There's still
  224. 7:25more room for correction. We saw a more
  225. 7:27sizable increase over a shorter period
  226. 7:29of time. So, let's see if that's what we
  227. 7:31see in the data. So, first looking at
  228. 7:33SPS, the way that I tried to measure
  229. 7:35this is I looked at when each card hit
  230. 7:39their peak and then I bundled them into
  231. 7:41the cards that fell over the last month
  232. 7:43and the cards that went up over the last
  233. 7:45month. And I looked at where their
  234. 7:47average peak price was to see if we
  235. 7:50could see a difference in terms of how
  236. 7:52long a card has been correcting for. And
  237. 7:55interestingly, we found the opposite of
  238. 7:57what the hypothesis would suggest, which
  239. 8:00is that cards that went down over the
  240. 8:02last month hit their peak significantly
  241. 8:05earlier than the cards that went up over
  242. 8:07the last month. So for cards that were
  243. 8:09falling on average, they hit their peak
  244. 8:13price during the last boom in late
  245. 8:15March, which means that they have had 6
  246. 8:17months to correct and they are still
  247. 8:20falling. whereas the cards that are
  248. 8:22going up are the ones that hit their
  249. 8:25peak in mid June on average. So this is
  250. 8:28really interesting because this is the
  251. 8:30opposite of what I was expecting to see
  252. 8:31here. And so it raises the question of
  253. 8:34why are these cards that hit their peak
  254. 8:36so long ago still falling? And why are
  255. 8:39cards that hit their peak relatively
  256. 8:41recently going up? But before I get into
  257. 8:43why I think that might actually be
  258. 8:44happening, let's check in on booster
  259. 8:46boxes to see if we're seeing the same
  260. 8:47trend. So in the world of booster boxes,
  261. 8:50we are actually seeing the exact same
  262. 8:51thing. So booster boxes that are
  263. 8:54currently falling hit their peak on
  264. 8:56average in late April, whereas booster
  265. 8:58boxes that are currently rising hit
  266. 9:00their peak in September. So we are
  267. 9:03seeing two different pieces of movement
  268. 9:05in the booster box market. We are seeing
  269. 9:07boxes that are continuing to rise and
  270. 9:09hit their all-time highs. And then we
  271. 9:11have a series of boxes that are
  272. 9:12continuing to fall and have been falling
  273. 9:15for quite a while. Okay. So what's
  274. 9:17actually happening here? So my thought
  275. 9:19is that this looks like anchoring,
  276. 9:22right? This suggests that we are not at
  277. 9:23the bottom. This is exactly the opposite
  278. 9:26of what you would expect to see if we
  279. 9:27are at the bottom. So anchoring is when
  280. 9:31a community or a person has an
  281. 9:34expectation of what a price of something
  282. 9:36should be. So if you think that a price
  283. 9:39for something should be $600 and you see
  284. 9:41it for $300, you're going to think,
  285. 9:43"Wow, what a great deal, right?
  286. 9:46But let's say somebody else comes into a
  287. 9:48market a year later after that product
  288. 9:50has crashed and sees it for $300.
  289. 9:53They're not going to think it's a great
  290. 9:54deal at $300, right? Because $300 is the
  291. 9:58first price they ever saw. So what we
  292. 10:00think of as a good deal or a bad deal is
  293. 10:03relative to the set price that we have
  294. 10:05in our mind of what we think something
  295. 10:06is worth. And so what I think is
  296. 10:08happening here is that we had a bunch of
  297. 10:11people who came into the market, you
  298. 10:13know, at the end of 2025, early 2026.
  299. 10:16They bid up the prices of these things.
  300. 10:18They set an anchor point of what they
  301. 10:20thought these things should be worth,
  302. 10:22right? So if we're talking about like an
  303. 10:24OP1 blue bottom booster box, you know,
  304. 10:26their anchor point may have been like
  305. 10:28$5,300. So anything under that price,
  306. 10:30they were going to buy up and they were
  307. 10:31going to support because they considered
  308. 10:32it to be a good deal. But here's the
  309. 10:35thing, markets are gaining and losing
  310. 10:37people all the time. So between, you
  311. 10:40know, late 2025, early 2026, and then
  312. 10:43summer of 2026, a lot of those people
  313. 10:46probably left the market. They stopped
  314. 10:48paying attention. They did something
  315. 10:49else. And so when people started taking
  316. 10:52profits, there weren't as many people
  317. 10:54there to look at that and say, "Hey,
  318. 10:55this looks like a bargain to me. I
  319. 10:57should buy this up." But then we had a
  320. 10:59lot of new people that came in when
  321. 11:01there was hype in the summer. And so
  322. 11:05those folks may have been hyped about a
  323. 11:07certain set of cards, but when they came
  324. 11:09in and if OPO1 blue bottoms were $4,500
  325. 11:12at that point or $4,800, they looked at
  326. 11:15it and said, "Okay, well, I guess $4,800
  327. 11:17for that box is a fair price, so I'm not
  328. 11:20going to buy it unless it becomes a
  329. 11:22great deal." Right? So instead of
  330. 11:24creating that floor, those new entrance
  331. 11:26said, "Yeah, I'm going to wait until
  332. 11:28it's a good deal before I buy it." And
  333. 11:30so it continues to fall. And so I think
  334. 11:32what we're seeing here is that a new set
  335. 11:35of people came in or renewed focus from
  336. 11:38people who had been out of the market
  337. 11:39for a while came in in the summer. They
  338. 11:41bought up a certain set of things and
  339. 11:43they're not necessarily willing to sell
  340. 11:46the things they bought because in their
  341. 11:47mind, they're worth what they paid for.
  342. 11:49But at the same time, those folks are
  343. 11:51also not willing to buy a lot of these
  344. 11:54cards or booster boxes that were much
  345. 11:56more expensive earlier in the year
  346. 11:58because that's not their set point,
  347. 12:00right? By the time they entered the
  348. 12:02market, those things were already
  349. 12:03significantly cheaper. So, they have
  350. 12:04much more room to fall. So, what does
  351. 12:07this mean in terms of the market? So, I
  352. 12:09think number one, it means that we are
  353. 12:10likely not at the bottom. Right? If we
  354. 12:12are seeing these products continuing to
  355. 12:14fall, I don't know what's going to stop
  356. 12:17them from falling until the people that
  357. 12:18are currently in the market think that
  358. 12:20the price has gotten too low. But also
  359. 12:23on the other hand, these cards and
  360. 12:25booster boxes that have gone up a lot in
  361. 12:27the summer, if something happens and
  362. 12:29those people leave the market, then
  363. 12:31there's opportunity for them to fall as
  364. 12:33well. And a new crop of people might
  365. 12:35come in and buy up some things, but are
  366. 12:36they going to buy up those things
  367. 12:38thinking that they're a great deal?
  368. 12:40Probably not, right? So, I think this is
  369. 12:42an indication that there's going to be
  370. 12:43more volatility in the market moving
  371. 12:45forward as, you know, we see more people
  372. 12:48come into the game and remain settled.
  373. 12:50As we've seen people exit to deal with
  374. 12:52Pokemon, you know, I think once the
  375. 12:54Pokemon 30th anniversary fades, we might
  376. 12:57see more of those people coming back and
  377. 12:58saying, "Whoa, I sold my blue bottom
  378. 13:01when it was $4,800 because I wanted to
  379. 13:03take some profits. Now it's $4,000. I'm
  380. 13:06going to buy that back because that
  381. 13:07seems like a good deal now that I'm done
  382. 13:08with all this Pokemon stuff, right?" So,
  383. 13:10like I don't think this means that this
  384. 13:12is going to go on forever, but I do
  385. 13:13think it's an indication that
  386. 13:15particularly for the subsets of cards
  387. 13:17and booster boxes that have continued to
  388. 13:19rise or have fallen much more slowly and
  389. 13:22hit their peaks in the summer, there is
  390. 13:24more opportunity for those to fall over
  391. 13:26the coming months. And also, we have not
  392. 13:28yet seen necessarily the bottom um of
  393. 13:30these things that have peaked many many
  394. 13:32months ago. So, the last hypothesis I
  395. 13:34wanted to test was the idea that vintage
  396. 13:36stabilizes first, right? So, this is
  397. 13:38basically suggesting that the older a
  398. 13:40card is, the more time it has had to
  399. 13:42land in a genuine collector's
  400. 13:45collection. And so, in order for it to
  401. 13:47reenter the market, they have to be
  402. 13:49willing to sell it, which means that
  403. 13:50chances are they're not going to sell it
  404. 13:52as a loss because they bought it because
  405. 13:53they wanted it, right? And so, that's
  406. 13:55something that can help to create floor
  407. 13:57and stability so that the market can
  408. 13:59then go back up at the end of a
  409. 14:01correction. And so what we would expect
  410. 14:02to see is that cards that are older and
  411. 14:04have had more time to land in the hands
  412. 14:06of collectors should be more stable than
  413. 14:09the cards that are newer and are still
  414. 14:10finding their long-term homes. And so
  415. 14:13when we look at SPS, uh, we don't see
  416. 14:15this actually. So for SPS, I broke it
  417. 14:18down into OP1 to OP9 and then OP10 to
  418. 14:22OP16 to see if there was a difference in
  419. 14:25how much prices changed over the last
  420. 14:27month for these specific cards. And the
  421. 14:29answer was that there was near perfect
  422. 14:31par between both of them. Right? So the
  423. 14:33OP1 to OP9 cards fell 1% and the OP10 to
  424. 14:36OP16 cards fell 1%. Which says to me
  425. 14:40that like this is probably not a primary
  426. 14:43mechanism that is deciding where the
  427. 14:45market is going right now. The more
  428. 14:47important mechanism is probably what we
  429. 14:49just talked about in terms of like new
  430. 14:51people coming in and having different
  431. 14:53anchoring points for what these cards
  432. 14:55should actually be worth, right? You
  433. 14:57know, it's really really interesting
  434. 14:58because One Piece like hasn't been
  435. 15:00around that long and prices went up so
  436. 15:02incredibly fast. It's not to say that
  437. 15:04those prices weren't justified, but just
  438. 15:06that there isn't a long enough track
  439. 15:07record to know what these things should
  440. 15:09actually cost. So, if you're coming into
  441. 15:11the market for the first time, you might
  442. 15:13be a little bit hesitant to buy
  443. 15:14something that you think is very
  444. 15:15expensive because there isn't
  445. 15:16necessarily a great track record, right?
  446. 15:18So, would I be surprised if after seeing
  447. 15:20a massive like overpricing of certain
  448. 15:23items that we then see an overcorrection
  449. 15:26where things actually fall below what
  450. 15:28they should be worth? No. I expect that
  451. 15:30is what's going to happen, right? It's
  452. 15:31going to take us a little while to
  453. 15:32triangulate what these prices should
  454. 15:34actually be. Now, before we jump into
  455. 15:36the booster boxes, I will say that I did
  456. 15:37not include the promo cards in either
  457. 15:40this analysis or the previous analysis.
  458. 15:42And the reason is I just didn't have
  459. 15:43enough data. You know, for the monthly
  460. 15:45analysis, I'd only been tracking it for
  461. 15:47a few months, so it wasn't nearly as
  462. 15:48meaningful. And for the vintage versus
  463. 15:51older, uh, most of the promo cards that
  464. 15:54I have are more on the vintage side, and
  465. 15:56so it was wildly imbalanced. Okay, so
  466. 15:58booster boxes. So again, you know, we
  467. 16:01would expect the OP1 to OP9 booster
  468. 16:03boxes to be more stable than the newer
  469. 16:05ones, but that's actually not what we're
  470. 16:06seeing. It's the opposite, right? So
  471. 16:08again, I think this is an indication
  472. 16:10that we are not near the bottom, but I
  473. 16:11think this is also showing that this is
  474. 16:13not the primary mechanism that's
  475. 16:15determining price right now. Now, that
  476. 16:17said, there is something really
  477. 16:18interesting happening in booster boxes
  478. 16:20right now, which is that the booster
  479. 16:22boxes that are doing the best are
  480. 16:24actually kind of the opposite of what
  481. 16:27you would expect. So, as I said,
  482. 16:28typically like our most blue chip
  483. 16:31prospects tend to do really, really well
  484. 16:33during a downturn, whereas like the less
  485. 16:36desirable products tend to fall a lot
  486. 16:38more. But we're actually seeing the
  487. 16:39opposite in booster boxes. You know, the
  488. 16:42OP8s, OP10s, OP12s, like those boxes
  489. 16:46that have been like languishing in like
  490. 16:48the 200 to like $225 range have now hit
  491. 16:51a pretty solid floor of like $240,
  492. 16:54almost $250.
  493. 16:56You know, you see OP14 going up, you see
  494. 16:58OP15 going up, OP16 going up. Like all
  495. 17:01of those booster boxes are coalescing
  496. 17:04around a floor of around $250.
  497. 17:07And so what I think is interesting here
  498. 17:09is that, you know, again to the point of
  499. 17:11anchoring, like the people who are
  500. 17:12currently in the market, who haven't
  501. 17:14been in the market for a long time,
  502. 17:16they're coming in with an expectation
  503. 17:18that like new booster boxes are over
  504. 17:20$200. So, they're looking at these older
  505. 17:24booster boxes that were around $200 and
  506. 17:26saying like, "Well, if a new booster box
  507. 17:28that I want to buy is going to cost
  508. 17:29$200, why wouldn't I just buy this
  509. 17:31vintage one instead?" Right? Even if the
  510. 17:33card quality is a little bit lower. So,
  511. 17:36I think that like the experiences that
  512. 17:38these folks are having are creating an
  513. 17:40anchoring effect that makes the lower
  514. 17:42price booster boxes seem like they
  515. 17:44should be at a floor of around between,
  516. 17:47you know, 225 to $250,
  517. 17:50which I think is really, really
  518. 17:51interesting. I also think that another
  519. 17:54takeaway from this is that we've seen
  520. 17:56OP7 booster boxes now fall below $300,
  521. 17:59which is below where I expected that
  522. 18:01they were ever going to fall. If you're
  523. 18:03looking at the question of like, do I
  524. 18:05want an OP08 or like an OP10 booster box
  525. 18:08for $250 or do I want OP7 for like $290?
  526. 18:13I personally would rather have OP7. I
  527. 18:15understand that the print run is
  528. 18:16probably double the size of those other
  529. 18:18sets, maybe even more, but it's like
  530. 18:20such a more desirable set. I think that
  531. 18:22that's probably too low, right? So, I
  532. 18:24think you have like multiple different
  533. 18:25anchoring points happening at the same
  534. 18:27time here that sends a signal to people
  535. 18:29that both like lower-end booster boxes
  536. 18:32should still be $250, but also like OP7
  537. 18:35is going to continue to fall all the way
  538. 18:37down to that price. Like, that just
  539. 18:39doesn't make sense. You know, in my
  540. 18:41mind, one of the most reliable ways to
  541. 18:43get a good value on something is just to
  542. 18:46buy it at MSRP when it comes out and
  543. 18:48then watch it rise over time as it
  544. 18:50becomes more scarce. Obviously, that
  545. 18:52hasn't been possible in One Piece sealed
  546. 18:54booster boxes for a very long time
  547. 18:56because they've been too expensive. But
  548. 18:57like when we see these boxes, you know,
  549. 19:00normal boxes hitting their low prices of
  550. 19:02like $160, $170, like I think the
  551. 19:06expectation now is that those boxes are
  552. 19:07eventually going to hit a floor of 250.
  553. 19:09And if we look at OP7, you know,
  554. 19:11comparing it to the other anniversary
  555. 19:13sets, OP13's 450, OP9 620, OPO5 is
  556. 19:17like,25, right? Like, do we think it's
  557. 19:20going to stay at $290? No. Might it be
  558. 19:23cheaper than OP13? Sure. But like, do I
  559. 19:26think it's going to be at least $350 a
  560. 19:29year from now? Absolutely, I do. So, to
  561. 19:31me, of all the boxes, that seems like a
  562. 19:33really good deal. Um, but I do think
  563. 19:35there is stability that's happening in
  564. 19:37the booster box market on sort of the
  565. 19:38low end of the market, which is really
  566. 19:40interesting to me. Okay, so what's my
  567. 19:41verdict on this? Well, I think preop10
  568. 19:44just ran too hot and is still
  569. 19:45correcting. I think people came into the
  570. 19:47market and they were like, "Oop, have to
  571. 19:50have it." Bought those prices up
  572. 19:51incredibly highly. And then based on how
  573. 19:54expensive OP1 was, people started
  574. 19:56saying, "Well, OP2 is basically as old.
  575. 19:58A OP3 is basically as old. OPO4, you
  576. 20:01know, almost as old." Like pretty
  577. 20:03similar print run, so we should just buy
  578. 20:05all of those. And then those massively
  579. 20:07increased in price over a short period
  580. 20:08of time. And now they are trying to
  581. 20:11figure out what that price actually
  582. 20:12should be. Like I think it's clear that
  583. 20:14people were overpaying for those for a
  584. 20:15while. You know, if you're looking at
  585. 20:18the question of would I rather have an
  586. 20:19OP7 box for $290 or an OPO3 box for
  587. 20:24$500, I think most people would probably
  588. 20:26rather have the OP7 box. So, I think
  589. 20:28that's part of the challenge these
  590. 20:30vintage boxes are going to continue to
  591. 20:32have. So, I expect that they will
  592. 20:34continue to fall over the near term uh
  593. 20:37until they hit, you know, what is a
  594. 20:38reasonable bottom. I'm also going to say
  595. 20:40something here that I think is probably
  596. 20:42pretty controversial and that there's a
  597. 20:44pretty good chance that I'm going to be
  598. 20:45wrong about, but like if I were to make
  599. 20:47a bold prediction, I think there's a
  600. 20:4950/50 chance that OPO1, at least the
  601. 20:52white bottoms, ends up falling below
  602. 20:54OPO5 in price uh and over the years may
  603. 20:58actually fall below several other boxes.
  604. 21:00I think that as time goes on and as we
  605. 21:03have seen these prices correct for the
  606. 21:06OP1 booster boxes, like the shine is
  607. 21:09sort of off this idea that like the
  608. 21:12number one is always going to be the
  609. 21:14most desirable. Like I think of the
  610. 21:15early sets, OP5 is clearly the most
  611. 21:17desirable even though it has a larger
  612. 21:19print run. And so like I think that the
  613. 21:22white bottoms at least are likely to
  614. 21:24fall below OP5 at some point in the
  615. 21:27future. Do I think it's going to happen
  616. 21:28in like the next few months? No, but
  617. 21:31like if we're, you know, looking ahead
  618. 21:32three years, I would be not surprised at
  619. 21:35all if OP5 was more expensive than OP1.
  620. 21:38So, for me, that's not a box that I own.
  621. 21:41It's not a box that I want to own. It
  622. 21:43still feels overpriced to me personally.
  623. 21:45Again, I don't have a lot of data to
  624. 21:47back this up, right? So, it could very
  625. 21:49easily be wrong. you should definitely
  626. 21:50take it with a grain of salt, but this
  627. 21:51is just sort of like the gut feeling
  628. 21:53I've had looking at the way that these
  629. 21:55prices have eroded for OP1 over the last
  630. 21:57several months while they've remained
  631. 21:58much more stable for OP5, PRBO1, EBO2,
  632. 22:02Ebo1, you know, some of these more
  633. 22:04desirable other sets. And then the last
  634. 22:07thing I want to say here is that the
  635. 22:08fact that the vintage sets are
  636. 22:11correcting could eventually lead to a
  637. 22:14rebalancing of the newer sets, right?
  638. 22:17Because the name of this game is trying
  639. 22:19to look across all the products and say
  640. 22:21like relative to how good this product
  641. 22:24is compared to other products, what
  642. 22:27should this be priced compared to other
  643. 22:29products? Right? So if everything goes
  644. 22:31up 200% then people are going to look at
  645. 22:33the things that haven't gone up 200% and
  646. 22:35say, "Hey, that seems like a really good
  647. 22:36deal." If everything falls 50%, then the
  648. 22:39things that haven't fallen, people are
  649. 22:40going to look at that and say, "Hey,
  650. 22:42that hasn't fallen. That seems like it
  651. 22:44might be too expensive." And so like
  652. 22:46these boxes that have done really really
  653. 22:48well, if these boxes that are doing less
  654. 22:50well continue to erode significantly,
  655. 22:53that could cause people to start looking
  656. 22:54at these other booster boxes and asking
  657. 22:56if they're overpriced. So I don't know
  658. 22:58if that's going to happen, but I do
  659. 22:59think it's something to keep in mind. Uh
  660. 23:01if these prices continue to erode in the
  661. 23:03future, ultimately the market is going
  662. 23:05to seek to find a balance across all of
  663. 23:07the different products, both in sealed
  664. 23:09and singles. If the price of a booster
  665. 23:11box goes up, then the singles inside
  666. 23:13also have to go up. If the singles
  667. 23:14inside go up, then the booster box price
  668. 23:16eventually goes up, right? Like finding
  669. 23:18balance across all of these products and
  670. 23:20across sets is the name of the game in
  671. 23:22trying to figure out what prices are.
  672. 23:23And so when there's movement in one side
  673. 23:25of a market, you have to assume that
  674. 23:27that movement can also be contagious to
  675. 23:29another part of a market. Okay, so
  676. 23:31what's my overall takeaway from this?
  677. 23:32Well, the first is the good news. So
  678. 23:35far, it seems like the pace of the
  679. 23:36correction is slowing, right? People are
  680. 23:38not dumping product, which is really,
  681. 23:40really good. I'm not expecting there to
  682. 23:42be a crash, right? People are making
  683. 23:44decisions about what they want to be in
  684. 23:46and what they want to pay for certain
  685. 23:48things. Obviously, as we've talked about
  686. 23:49previously, there are a lot of other
  687. 23:51things happening right now. There's the
  688. 23:52Pokemon 30th anniversary. There are lots
  689. 23:54of new games that are coming out. It's
  690. 23:56understandable that some money might get
  691. 23:58pulled out of One Piece and be put into
  692. 24:00something else. I don't think that's a
  693. 24:02problem. I think a lot of it will
  694. 24:03eventually come back. Um, but I think
  695. 24:05it's important to understand that like I
  696. 24:07don't think we are near the bottom yet,
  697. 24:09right? there's more opportunity for
  698. 24:11prices to continue to erode in a bunch
  699. 24:13of different places. And so if you're
  700. 24:15deciding what to do in this market, my
  701. 24:18advice as always is to figure out like
  702. 24:21what you value something at, right? Look
  703. 24:23at diverse comps to try to figure out
  704. 24:25what a fair price is and then if it
  705. 24:27falls below that price, then act on it,
  706. 24:29right? It's going to be extremely
  707. 24:31difficult for any of us to try to catch
  708. 24:33when the bottom of the market could be.
  709. 24:35The bottom of the market could be
  710. 24:36tomorrow despite all of these signals,
  711. 24:38right? because everything is incredibly
  712. 24:40complex. And so like rather than trying
  713. 24:42to time the market, think about like
  714. 24:44what your goals, what your objectives
  715. 24:46are, what you really want, what you
  716. 24:48really care about. Like those are the
  717. 24:49only things you can control. And so as
  718. 24:51long as you're doing that, I think
  719. 24:52you're going to be happy with the
  720. 24:54decisions that you make. But you know,
  721. 24:55if you are one of those people who's
  722. 24:57looking for like the absolute bottom, to
  723. 25:00me, at least right now, the evidence is
  724. 25:01saying that we aren't there yet. So
  725. 25:03that's all I have for today. I hope you
  726. 25:04found this interesting. As always, I'm
  727. 25:06really interested to hear what your
  728. 25:08thoughts are, where you agree, where you
  729. 25:09disagree, you know, how are you
  730. 25:11interpreting this data? Are you seeing
  731. 25:13different signals? When do you think
  732. 25:14that the correction is going to end? And
  733. 25:15we're going to start with a hot market.
  734. 25:16Again, you know, I love hearing
  735. 25:18everybody's feedback. You know, if you
  736. 25:20are interested in picking up any cards,
  737. 25:21we have our TCG Player affiliate link
  738. 25:22and our eBay storefront. Uh, you know,
  739. 25:25if you buy through us, we get a small
  740. 25:26commission, which helps us out a ton.
  741. 25:28So, thank you for that. And with that,
  742. 25:29as always, I appreciate your time and I
  743. 25:32will see you in the next

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