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0:05[Music]
0:08well what is up with ticketmail welcome
0:10good evening or afternoon or morning
0:12depending on where you're at
0:15and i want to check out this
0:17interrogation thing with the chandler
0:23chandler helders what's his name
0:25halderson alderson we watched the
0:27sentencing yesterday
0:29and
0:30let me just make sure we're good here
0:35i got the wrong link here make sure we
0:37got the audio and everything
0:40cranked up
0:50what's up good afternoon how you guys
0:51doing
0:52friday
0:55um so this is the guy
0:57that
0:58killed his parents
1:00chopped him up apparently
1:02halderson
1:04killed his parents after his father
1:06discovered he had been lying
1:08about attending madison area technical
1:10college it was just one of a webalized
1:14the 27 year old told about work school
1:16and being on a police scuba dive team
1:18according to prosecutors
1:20helderson was arrested july 8th at the
1:22police
1:23after telling police a day earlier his
1:24parents had gone missing following a
1:26fourth of july
1:28fourth of july trip northern
1:30to northern wisconsin
1:34and uh yeah there's a lot more to that
1:36story
1:40was going to like play the opening
1:41statements but then i was kind of like i
1:43don't know man i'm not sure because i
1:44haven't followed the trial
1:48i wasn't sure what part to play so i
1:50figured let's just watch the
1:54interrogation
2:05no i didn't do any research hoax that
2:08you did research i didn't do any
2:09research
2:10we're just gonna watch the uh figure pop
2:12in and watch the interrogation
2:15that call from mickey yesterday was
2:17really good and a couple people that
2:18called in and explained the whole story
2:22he's appealing his trial asking for
2:23lawyers to contact him oh yeah he did
2:25yeah
2:27i just want you guys to know
2:29uh
2:31i'm appealing
2:35i was wondering to what parts of the
2:36trial were good to watch
2:38i was asking people
2:40prosecution opening statements go that's
2:42what i thought too larissa i watched a
2:44couple of minutes of the prosecutor's
2:46opening statements i was looking at this
2:48let me show you real quick
2:50i was looking at this
2:52and
2:53it's about an hour long but it really
2:55kind of gives you some of the details
2:58of the story but it's close to an hour
3:01long though
3:02opening is the best i feel like if we
3:04start with the opening maybe it'll give
3:06some context for people and me
3:08i don't know what you guys think about
3:09that but it's it's a little bit long but
3:11i feel like we don't need to listen to
3:12the defense he's already found guilty we
3:14could listen to the prosecutor
3:17i could do a poll you guys let me know
3:19unless you just want to watch the
3:21interrogation
3:23but i feel like it would give contact to
3:24the interrogation
3:36i'll do a little poll and you guys tell
3:38me what you want to do we'll see we'll
3:39leave it up to the people
3:41the people
3:43prosecution
3:46opening
3:48statement
3:50first
3:51question
3:53yes no
3:56[Laughter]
4:02married single life spiderman i have no
4:04baby for a couple of days i don't even
4:06know what to do with myself
4:07i'm like oh my god i've towned myself
4:11but i'm here with you guys
4:19let's see what's the chat saying uh
4:26yeah i think we should do the opening
4:28statement i mean i have i listened to a
4:30couple of minutes i figured just the
4:31prosecution i thought it kind of puts
4:33the story out
4:35and then we can watch the um
4:38the interrogation
4:41give me some votes give me some likes
4:42let's see what's going on
4:50oh i could i could speed up the video
4:51that's a good suggestion vic like one
4:54point something right
4:58okay eighty percent say yes let's watch
5:00the okay
5:02so the interrogation is about an hour so
5:05long something like that and then the
5:07intro we're just gonna watch the intro
5:09of the prosecution it's about an hour so
5:11long so looking at two hours
5:13it's not bad
5:15lisa love your content and channel my
5:17love to see your channel growing you
5:18deserve it thank you so much appreciate
5:20it
5:22papa bottom mel
5:24i might have already to be honest with
5:25you but i can't apparently i can't
5:27celebrate on the stream because they
5:29give me a strike
5:37all right yeah let's do i actually
5:38called cheeks before the the stream
5:40right before
5:42yeah let's do the opening statements all
5:44right let's do that well just just a
5:45prosecutor because i there was like
5:47videos and pictures and everything he
5:49was breaking down the whole
5:50thing i think
5:54in a bit you were
5:56everyone was trying to gauge your
5:58knowledge of the case maybe any
6:00preconceived notions you had about the
6:01criminal justice system
6:03ms vera asked you a lot of questions
6:05about what you would think if she did
6:06nothing and sat there and and
6:09okay cat says please listen to andrew
6:11smith
6:12there was another person in the chat
6:13that said we gotta listen to andrew
6:15smith
6:16where's the link if you can link it to
6:17me i'd appreciate it i just want his
6:19portion or you can tell me what day so
6:21andrew smith is the guy that he used to
6:23game with right that's what i hear
6:26i'd like to check that out too
6:28just leave the captions and hit
6:301.5
6:32i have captions enabled for the live
6:33stream so you guys can just enable it
6:35for this live
6:36when i can't fast forward it here
6:38those were good questions um i won't do
6:40nothing in this case because it would be
6:42a very short trial if i did
6:44you're going to hear from me miss
6:46raymond quite a bit
6:57okay so we're just gonna listen to about
6:59an hour the prosecutor and then we'll
7:00move over to the interrogation
7:20[Music]
7:21yes
7:24no further questions cross-examination
7:28is this the beginning part
7:30is this the the right part that says day
7:32one opening statements
7:33it feels like it started in the middle
7:35but
7:36may this witness be excused and released
7:38from her subpoena
7:39yes your honor thank you so much deputy
7:41have a good remainder of your day
7:46not florida
7:51[Music]
8:00i'm gonna keep the deputy under subpoena
8:01she's excused that's not the opening
8:03statement
8:05uh lindsay oh my god i thought that was
8:07opening statements let me get it
8:08yesterday thank you so much
8:22okay here it is i think this is it
8:35thought you were being strung along the
8:36whole time and in a bit you were
8:39everyone was trying to gauge your
8:40knowledge of the case maybe any
8:42preconceived notions you had about the
8:44criminal justice system
8:46ms vera asked you a lot of questions
8:47about what you would
8:48see this is
8:50okay yeah this is it right here thought
8:52you were being strung along the whole
8:53time and in a bit you were
8:56everyone was trying to gauge your
8:58knowledge of the case maybe any
8:59preconceived notions you had about the
9:01criminal justice system
9:02ms vera asked you a lot of questions
9:04about what you would think if she did
9:05nothing and sat there and and those were
9:08good questions um i won't do nothing in
9:10this case because it would be a very
9:11short trial if i did
9:13you're going to hear from me miss
9:15raymond quite a bit
9:17our job in a case is to present evidence
9:19that means to call witnesses the judge
9:21talked about what evidence is we think
9:23of evidence sometimes we think of
9:24especially a murder case you're in a
9:25murder case you think of the gun
9:27and you'll get that there'll be a gun
9:30you'll see that
9:31but evidence is so much more
9:34the first thing evidence is is the first
9:35thing the judge mentioned evidence is
9:37first the sworn testimony of witnesses
9:40both on direct and cross-examination
9:42when people raise their right hand and
9:43they swear to tell the truth
9:45that's evidence
9:46now you as jurors can decide
9:49whether you believe it or not does this
9:51person have any bias of prejudice do
9:53they have anything to gain by what
9:54they're saying
9:56they have anything to lose
9:58all those things are up to you but sworn
10:00testimony is evidence
10:02photographs or evidence videos are
10:04evidence
10:06statements made
10:08by people involved in the case including
10:09mr halvers
10:11or evidence
10:14our job is to over the course of the
10:16next couple of weeks present evidence
10:18to show you the path
10:20of what we believe happened
10:24which is that chandler halderson
10:26killed his parents
10:28dismembered their bodies
10:31and hid them around southern wisconsin
10:36i've been talking about bart and krista
10:37halderson you've heard their names
10:38mentioned numerous time by the judges
10:40here
10:42that's bart and christopherson
10:44i'm going gonna try to use some photos
10:46as i talk to maybe guide us along some
10:48people are more visual learners some
10:49aren't
10:51that's bart and crystal halderson a
10:53couple in the early 50s
10:55living in windsor wisconsin a quiet
10:58street
10:59in a quiet house and i'm in a quiet town
11:02if you don't know windsor think
11:04just south of deforest or maybe if
11:06you're heading up toward the dells when
11:07you see the fleet farm on your left if
11:08you looked right that's windsor
11:12that's the halderson home
11:14at this point perhaps it would be best
11:16if i told you a little bit about the
11:17halderson family
11:20bart the father christa the mother
11:23they have two sons
11:25chandler
11:26the defendant
11:28and his older older brother mitchell
11:32chandler and mitchell are close in age
11:33but mitchell's a little bit older
11:37the time this all happened living in the
11:39honda home was bart halderson krista
11:41halderson
11:42and chandler
11:44mitchell had moved out
11:46mitchell had a job working as a i.t
11:49person for a local corporation doing
11:50pretty well in life
11:52he's engaged doing pretty well in life
11:57buying a house
11:58adult things
12:00growing up
12:02but in july of 2021
12:05it's bart and krista
12:07living in that house
12:09and their adult 23 year old son
12:11chandler halderson living in his room
12:15now all of the events i'm going to
12:17describe for the most part
12:19take place during the first week
12:22of july
12:23from the first to about the eighth so i
12:25put up a calendar this says
12:26not evidence in the case i suppose it
12:28might be maybe i'll mark it as an
12:30exhibit
12:31but it's to provide some reference and i
12:33put the little flag on there because if
12:34you remember this year the fourth of
12:35july was on a sunday
12:38everyone celebrated of course all
12:40weekend a lot of places celebrated on
12:41saturday but the fourth of july was on a
12:43sunday
12:46now i'm giving my opening statement the
12:48judge told you opening statements aren't
12:49evidence and in fact that's the reason
12:51you don't have notebooks i'd like to
12:52think so you have to pay attention to me
12:54but that's not true
12:55because nothing i say is evidence so as
12:58i say things up here
12:59what i'm saying is what i expect to
13:01prove
13:02in the next couple of weeks
13:04but what i expect to prove beyond any
13:06reasonable doubt
13:08is that on july 1st
13:102021
13:12somewhere between 3 p.m
13:14and 5 p.m
13:17chandler holderson murdered his parents
13:21it's an important date and it's an
13:23important time to remember
13:25july 1st
13:26between 3
13:28and 5.
13:31but the story doesn't start there
13:33and this trial wouldn't be three to four
13:35weeks
13:36if the trial ended there
13:40the story starts
13:42a week later
13:44on july 7th
13:462021
13:48nearly a week after killing his parents
13:50but no one in the world knowing
13:52chandler halderson walks into the
13:54northeast precinct of the dane county
13:56sheriff's office
13:58and says
13:59i'd like to file a missing person's
14:01report
14:04he sits down with sheriff's deputies and
14:06you'll meet them today
14:09and he gives a long story
14:12my parents they just haven't come back
14:13from the cabin
14:15they were there this weekend we have a
14:17cabin up north it's in white lake up in
14:19langlain county it's pretty far up north
14:20couple of hours
14:23they just haven't come back yet they
14:24were going to come back monday or
14:25tuesday and i don't know where they are
14:28who were they with the deputies ask
14:31i don't know
14:33i helped them pack
14:35thursday night and they must have left
14:36friday early before i woke up at six
14:39who'd they go with i don't know
14:42where are their cars well they're still
14:44at the house
14:46what'd you help them pack
14:48bottles of liquor lots of money
14:51tools silver bars
14:54why were they going up there
14:56some people get they were fixed in a
14:58window some people got
14:59it was a plumbing issue
15:01storm damage the story varied
15:05sometimes they took just money sometimes
15:06they took just liquor
15:09but over that day the next talking to
15:11numerous sheriff's deputies detectives
15:13including those detectives
15:17he gives this bizarre story
15:20of his parents leaving
15:22in an unknown car
15:24going to a cabin with an unknown couple
15:28with an unknown amount of money
15:30for really an unknown reason
15:35so sheriff's deputies do what cops do
15:37which is they ask him have you heard
15:39from him and he says yeah
15:42i got a text from my mom
15:44and he did
15:45he showed him his phone
15:47made it safely
15:48this is from crystal halderson to chas
15:50that's what his family calls him got
15:52chandler they call them chaz made it
15:54safely
15:55can't get anything through though yes
15:56it's packed
15:57going to white lake today for the parade
16:00we'll be home monday night tuesday early
16:03i love you lots
16:07so at this point the sheriff's deputies
16:09don't know what they're dealing with
16:11these folks get up there and decide
16:13now we're going to
16:14go to the casino for a few days
16:16we're going to play hooky
16:18didn't make a lot of sense they started
16:19talking to co-workers and realized these
16:21people had never
16:22no call no-show missed work which they
16:24both did on friday
16:28did they crash their car
16:30did this other couple kidnap them
16:34where the hell are they
16:37but what good police do and what they
16:38did in this case is they start looking
16:40into the people who saw them last who
16:43were with them last who reported him
16:45missing
16:46and in this case all three of those
16:48things the person who purportedly saw
16:50them last
16:52was with them last
16:54and reported them missing were the same
16:55person
16:57there's chandler halderson
16:59so what the police did
17:01started to look into chandler halderson
17:03this is all occurring in the same 24
17:05hour 48 hour period
17:07and what they learn about him
17:10isn't suspicious at all
17:12he's a madison college student matc they
17:14go by madison college now if you didn't
17:15get the email
17:16madison college student he's about to
17:18graduate
17:20he's studying renewable resource
17:21engineering kind of a hybrid i.t degree
17:24with solar panels things of that sort
17:26he's about to get a certificate
17:29but things that looked bright for him
17:31he'd recently been working at american
17:33family insurance he's working from home
17:34like most of us the last couple of years
17:38but he's working a good job in american
17:40family insurance and not only was he
17:41working a good job chandler had just
17:43gotten a better job
17:45he got hired at spacex
17:47ooh
17:48wow and he's about to embark on a career
17:51that people in the it field could only
17:52dream of
17:55he's planning to move to titusville
17:56florida that's where spacex operation is
17:58down in florida titusville
18:01with his girlfriend
18:03they'd rented an apartment
18:05they bought a car
18:08and not only was this not someone who
18:10was anti-social
18:12he was pro-social he was working with
18:14the madison police
18:16and the department of natural resources
18:17on their rescue diving team he was a
18:19scuba diver
18:20working with the police
18:24the only thing that was bit odd is he
18:26recently suffered a head injury
18:29fallen down the stairs
18:31had terrible concussion
18:32was unable to move for the most part
18:36had to wear a neck brace
18:38he was permanently
18:39perhaps
18:40injured all of those things
18:44threw police off
18:46from thinking it was chandler it had
18:48anything to do with this at that point
18:50for all they knew
18:52as sad as it is bart and krista and an
18:55unknown couple
18:56were crashed into a ditch somewhere
18:58between here in white lake wisconsin
19:01dead from a car crash
19:03so they started looking
19:05deputies are sent up north
19:08the langlade county sheriff's department
19:09is searching a cabin no one had ever
19:11been there it didn't look like anyone
19:12had been there at all in years
19:15it was run down the grass hadn't been
19:16mowed there was no food in the
19:17refrigerator no one had been there
19:20so the police expand their search and
19:22they start talking to not only just
19:24chandler people about chandler they
19:26start talking to people
19:28who were with chandler that weekend
19:32specifically they talked to his
19:33girlfriend
19:35young girl named catherine she goes by
19:36cat
19:38and cat says
19:40i was with him like all weekend
19:43we had normal fourth of july weekend we
19:45went out to my family's farm we got a
19:47farm there was a pool we ate dinner
19:50chandler was having the concussion issue
19:52and he couldn't really move his legs and
19:53so he asked to use their pool the next
19:55day because he thought that was good
19:56therapy
19:58so the police what do they do next they
20:00go talk to the person who owns the farm
20:02and they say was chandler out here and
20:04she goes yeah he was out here on the 4th
20:05of july
20:06but you know what
20:07he showed up the next day
20:10by himself
20:12he showed up the next day by himself i
20:14told him he could come back come back
20:16any time as we just say to people not
20:17expecting they're going to roll in your
20:19house the next day
20:21she says he was acting bizarre
20:24said that he had a doctor's appointment
20:26and they'd given them some bad news that
20:28he was going to lose his job at spacex
20:29because he couldn't travel he couldn't
20:31attend orientation
20:32to start
20:34and she goes and he asked to use the
20:36pool and of course i said yes
20:40this woman will testify and she'll tell
20:41you that she sat in her house for a
20:43while
20:44perhaps a bit
20:46weirded out that someone had just shown
20:47up at her real farm
20:50but she let him have his space
20:52but about an hour later she goes down to
20:54the pool to check on him
20:57he's not there
20:59no one had opened the pool no one had
21:00been in the pool
21:02but she sees his car
21:05it's parked out in the field
21:08away from the pool
21:10backed in toward where that grass is a
21:12bit longer
21:14and had its hatch up she thought boy
21:16that was strange
21:18but she thought maybe he's just on a
21:20walk
21:22so she goes in the pool
21:24she said i'm just gonna go in the pool
21:25if you remember that weekend it's
21:26extraordinarily hot
21:29she starts swimming she says
21:31then i see chandler
21:34he's walking out of the woods
21:36in that area
21:38now at this point in the investigation
21:40the police are out there
21:41with this woman they're out on the farm
21:44and she says he walked out over there
21:46and you'll hear from the detective
21:48detective brett baverstock who was out
21:49there and he'll tell you that his eyes
21:52kind of shifted up
21:54and he saw vultures
21:58i promise the photos are only going to
21:59go this far for right now
22:01but the police walked about 20 yards
22:02into the woods
22:04and in that pile of debris
22:08under dozens of sticks bushes and dirt
22:13they found bart alderson
22:16no now when i say they found bart
22:18halderson
22:19i need to
22:20explain that
22:22they found a human torso
22:26someone had crudely chopped off the head
22:29the arms
22:31and sawed off the legs
22:33in the middle of the thigh
22:35leaving the underwear on
22:38in the beginnings of the pants
22:43they removed the sticks and brush over a
22:45course of a few hours they brought out
22:47doctors from the medical examiner's
22:49office to make sure everything was done
22:50appropriately
22:53they rolled the torso over
22:56there were gunshots in the back
22:58this man had been shot in the back
23:01and chopped up
23:06at this point the farm
23:09beautiful farm
23:11cultivated for years of wildflowers
23:15kind of a
23:16an eden of sorts
23:18was turned into a crime scene
23:21police swarmed the place
23:23drones were in the air cadavers dogs
23:26were on the grounds
23:28everyone's looking through absolutely
23:29everything they could but it's a farm
23:31there's a million places things could be
23:35but one detective said
23:37look at that in the woods
23:40is that a garbage can
23:42full of a tarp
23:45it was i'll tell you that tarp
23:47was taken out taken to wisconsin state
23:49crime lab eventually bart
23:51alderson crystal halderson their blood
23:53is all over it
23:55wow so scenario's pretty bizarre i don't
23:58even know how
24:01what kind of what's wrong with kids
24:02these days man he's like 20. he's 23
24:04right or something 20 something
24:07older
24:12another detective
24:14sick ass people man said
24:16that spot where chandler was walking out
24:18of the woods
24:20there's an oil barrel there like an old
24:21fuel tank with a hole in it
24:24that's right where the car was parked so
24:26she peeks her head in
24:29and that's what she sees
24:31broken saw blades
24:33hand saws
24:34scissors
24:35tree loppers
24:37all of them tested by the state crime
24:38lab all of them covered
24:41human flesh and blood
24:43of bark
24:45and krista holders
24:48the farm was searched extensively and
24:50i'll tell you that some months later
24:52things were even continuing to be found
24:53up to this fall in october the homeowner
24:56the person who owns the farm
24:58was tearing apart a barn trying to clean
24:59it
25:01and they're in a barn about a hundred
25:02yards
25:03from where bart halderson was found
25:06the murder weapon
25:08behind a bunch of boards oh there it is
25:10yeah on the side of the barn
25:12look over here
25:15at this point in the investigation
25:17the police knew they needed to start
25:18talking
25:19to chandler
25:22he's seen coming out of the location
25:24where his dad's body was
25:26just brutally chopped apart
25:31the tools
25:33the cutting instruments are found there
25:37so they do what police do
25:39they bring them
25:40downtown they ask him and he's at the
25:42house and they ask him and his
25:44girlfriend
25:45to come downtown with him
25:47they do
25:48that girlfriend
25:50cat is in one room
25:51and chandler is in another
25:54chandler you'll see this we'll play it
25:57for over an hour meets with police
25:59and again regurgitates this odd story of
26:02his parents with this missing couple in
26:04a random car
26:07going places that no one really knew
26:10one second her cat in the other room
26:14she's vomiting information to the police
26:17literally vomiting at times
26:19but also vomiting information in terms
26:21of she has her phone out she's giving
26:23him pictures she's providing every
26:24single detail she can because she'll
26:26tell you when she testifies
26:28she's one of these people that watches
26:30these crime shows
26:31and she knows when someone's missing you
26:33got to exclude the people closest to him
26:35first and she thought
26:36that's what we got to do
26:38chandler didn't have anything to do with
26:39this i didn't really do this
26:40we got to get to the people who did and
26:42the first step is we got to exclude
26:44us
26:46she didn't for a second think
26:48that mr halderson had done anything
26:50wrong she thought she was with him most
26:51of the weekend
26:52and i'll tell you right now
26:55cat did nothing wrong
26:58cat was an unknowing unwilling
27:00accomplice to some of this but she did
27:02absolutely nothing wrong
27:04and she'll tell you she liked mr mrs
27:07alderson
27:08there were the normal disputes you'd
27:10have with your
27:11boyfriend or girlfriend's parents maybe
27:13you want to go out a lot and they don't
27:14let you maybe you want to
27:16hang out more than they don't want to
27:19but she liked them
27:21her phone is full of messages between
27:23her and mrs halderson
27:26friendly in all respects
27:30cat meets with police not just once but
27:32multiple times and in one of these
27:34meetings she says you know what was
27:36weird
27:37is this weekend when i was with chandler
27:39while his parents were at the cabin
27:42i left the house early one day on
27:44saturday in fact saturday july 3rd and
27:46she says
27:47he told me he was going to do chores
27:49that morning around the house
27:51but when i looked at my snapchat
27:54i saw his location
27:56was in a weird spot
27:59if you don't know
28:00on snapchat
28:02you can set it up so that other people
28:04can see exactly where you are
28:06i think that's what cheeky was talking
28:07about yesterday too when she was
28:08explaining that that's how they found
28:10some of the
28:11different locations he was at
28:13was by the snapchat location
28:16a gps tracker on you at all times if you
28:18will
28:19chandler had that set up with his
28:20girlfriend
28:22and she goes it was so weird where he
28:24was i took a screenshot of it on my
28:26phone
28:27damn and that's what it showed
28:30chandler was saved as hubby in her phone
28:32that's
28:33perhaps a term of endearment between
28:36two folks dating in their 20s
28:40but she said
28:41at 8 58 in the morning
28:43when he was supposed to be doing chores
28:44on saturday july 3rd i thought it was
28:47strange
28:48that he was in what appears to be
28:51a forest on the banks of the wisconsin
28:53river
28:55near prairie du sac
28:58the police took that
29:00they identified immediately where that
29:01location was just based on looking at it
29:03that's a bridge
29:04couldn't be hard out they go
29:06the drones go up the dogs go out
29:09the search team starts searching
29:13very quickly
29:15and i promise this is as far as the
29:17photos will go
29:19they find the remains of crystalholders
29:21but a lot of people don't use like they
29:23turn off their location right on
29:25snapchat don't most people turn it off i
29:26thought
29:28i don't like snapchat so
29:30i have it but i don't really use it it's
29:32kind of annoying
29:34messages keep disappearing all that
29:36stuff but
29:37i thought most people don't have the
29:38location on or you can turn that on with
29:40just one specific person seems like that
29:42was pretty crucial to this
29:45case
29:48now when i say crystal alderson i have
29:50to qualify that as well
29:53we found our legs
29:56one complete leg
29:58then somewhat farther away and another
30:00bush a foot
30:02a thigh
30:04but the same pattern
30:06crudely cut apart what appears to be
30:08handsaws axes things of that sort
30:12this guy's sick as [ __ ] no more of
30:13christopher halderson
30:15that's identifiable to her will ever be
30:16found
30:17she's just those two likes
30:26at this point
30:28the police thought
30:29this is just a strange location
30:32why would chandler be out there
30:35we've been out there before
30:38they started talking to people including
30:41girlfriends of his in the past friends
30:42of his
30:43and they say yeah
30:45chandler really liked this location out
30:46on the wisconsin river he'd go there all
30:48the time it's where he go swimming when
30:51his friends came into town that was the
30:53secret swimming spot and one friend even
30:55said you know what
30:56last year he sent me a picture while he
30:58was out here
31:01kind of shirtless hanging from a tree
31:03with a machete i don't know
31:06didn't have a lot of significance at the
31:07time
31:08that's him
31:09wow look at this guy
31:16we saw it but eventually someone
31:17realized
31:19the tree looks unique
31:21how's your brine laundry a little bit
31:24interesting v pattern right there the
31:26hollowness of the tree as it goes down
31:29the way in which five of those branches
31:31branch off
31:34and eventually one of the detectives
31:35realizes why
31:37something clicked
31:39it was the exact location he ditched his
31:41mother's remains
31:43hmm
31:48that's about 100 feet away
31:52so obviously it shouldn't come to
31:54anyone's surprise at some point chandler
31:55was arrested
31:57in fact he was arrested on july 8th
31:592021.
32:02when you're arrested for a lot of crimes
32:03you go to jail you get booked in and and
32:06not much more happens investigation-wise
32:07after that they have what they need but
32:10of course that's not the case in a
32:11murder investigation especially
32:12something like this
32:14the chandler's taken to jail
32:17and the police
32:18start searching
32:20when i say searching you're going to
32:21hear about searches of the house
32:22searches of this farm searches of this
32:24property
32:26you're going to hear about searches of
32:27landfills and ponds and
32:30ditches all across dane county
32:32but one of the things they started
32:33searching
32:35was
32:36what was this guy doing on his phone
32:39that weekend
32:41and oddly enough most of what they found
32:44was nothing
32:47either chandler hadn't googled anything
32:49all weekend
32:50except for the eighth
32:52or he had deleted his search history
32:55you'll never know
32:56but remember he was arrested on july 8th
32:59taken to the police station and that's
33:01where they told him hey man we know
33:02what's going on
33:05so meaning while he was still on his
33:07phone on july 8th he was still telling
33:09everyone his parents were missing
33:11not just the police
33:13this kid was standing in his front lawn
33:14giving media interviews to all the
33:16community outlets
33:18yo he has interviews can we can we find
33:20that i didn't know he did interviews
33:23so we got another like
33:25chris watts megan boswell
33:28how many other stories it's a couple
33:29people in my head that are popping up i
33:31can't think of
33:34who's that there's a couple that i'm
33:36thinking of but i can't remember now he
33:38did interviews did he really can we find
33:40that [ __ ]
33:43i want to see if i can find it while we
33:45listen
33:46about the and if anybody has a link send
33:48it cabin in the unknown couple the
33:50unknown car he was going door to door in
33:52his neighborhood
33:55my parents are missing can you help me
33:56out do you have any no by the way he did
33:58that too and you'll hear from these
34:00neighbors
34:01some of them were so weirded out
34:04by what was going on
34:07that they secretly recorded those
34:08conversations
34:10cheeky can you dm me if possible
34:14one of them you'll hear
34:16was a man who'd only been retired as a
34:18detective with the city of madison
34:19police for about a month he recorded his
34:21conversation with mr halderson
34:24but while he's doing this that morning
34:27what's he googling
34:30this is what he's googling
34:31body found wisconsin
34:33woman's body found wisconsin wisconsin
34:36dismembered body found
34:38we'll come back to that's crazy dead
34:40body found in wisconsin
34:42body found in milwaukee river
34:46he's searching for whether they found
34:48his parents
34:50and you'll hear in this case he's
34:52starting to search because he's starting
34:54to get worried because the amount of
34:55police in his neighborhood has been
34:57ramping up and up and up because
34:59unbeknownst to him they're finding his
35:02parents remains
35:04and you'll hear that while this is going
35:05on while he's googling these things
35:08uh lindsay sent me we're gonna watch the
35:10clip after the prosecution played
35:11television interviews with chandler
35:13hellerson about his parents
35:14disappearance okay so we're gonna
35:17i guess after we'll check that out
35:20oh lord
35:22oh so it's just audio i think right but
35:25no
35:26oh my god i don't know what's with these
35:28sick ass people that have to go on tv
35:30after
35:31and try to like talk and clear
35:33themselves
35:35this story is crazy as hell
35:37it's in voice og says okay thanks so
35:40we'll listen to it after what is with
35:42these people
35:46wow he's frantically calling police
35:48officers hey why are there more cops in
35:50my neighborhood calls this guy brian
35:52shunk he records them
35:54what's going on
35:55there's more cops did something happen
35:57did you find something
36:02the middle ones
36:03state versus peter caputsu
36:07probably means nothing to everyone
36:09it meant nothing to me when i first saw
36:11it
36:12the name wrong a bell and i wondered why
36:17not only does it show he googled state
36:18versus peter caputsa showed that he
36:20clicked on a link on the wisconsin
36:22court's website
36:23and read something
36:26what he read was a legal case much like
36:28this one is the state versus chandler
36:30hallgerson
36:31the state versus peter caputsu though
36:34was a case that made it to the court of
36:36appeals based on some legal
36:37technicalities
36:39about a man
36:41who dismembered part of his family
36:42members
36:44and threw their bodies
36:45in the river
36:48so at the same time chandler halderson
36:50is going door-to-door in his
36:51neighborhood
36:52crying about his parents being missing
36:54no talking to the local news
36:56telling sheriff's deputies signing
36:58documents saying they're missing
37:01he's conducting legal research
37:03to get himself out of today
37:06so that today never happens
37:12now when i started i started with that
37:13calendar a while ago
37:16and i said the police were initially
37:17thrown off because of one thing and that
37:19was this text message
37:21from krista and it's real
37:23i'll tell you that text message is in
37:25all the search warrant returns from u.s
37:27cellular
37:28it's on the phone
37:30that we were able to search we're not
37:31able to search every phone but some of
37:32them are
37:34made it safely can't get anything
37:36through though yes it's packed going to
37:38white lake today for the parade
37:41be home monday night tuesday
37:43love you lots
37:45sent on the fourth of july
37:48so the police started looking into that
37:51and the first thing they found was
37:53white lake
37:55the parade was on july 3rd
37:58remember the fourth of july this year
38:00was on a sunday
38:01so everyone celebrated on saturday
38:06so they started thinking well how the
38:07hell did this message get sent
38:10so they searched the halderson home
38:12where chandler was
38:14and in the garage
38:16under a shelf in a shoe
38:19wrapped in aluminum foil
38:21was his mother's phone
38:22along with her driver's license
38:25[Music]
38:30gmail right jace would later subpoena
38:32the records from u.s cellular the cell
38:34phone carrier that covers chandler and
38:36the family
38:38and they would look into what cell
38:39towers were being used when that message
38:42was sent if you didn't know all of you
38:43probably have cell phones at any time
38:45your phone is pinging off of different
38:47cell towers it's not always the same as
38:49you sit here half of you might be using
38:51one tower and half of you might be using
38:52another it's based on the workload of
38:54those towers you'll hear about that
38:56but it's generally an approximate area
38:58of where you are
39:03that message on july 4th krista there is
39:05in pink chandler's in green
39:07the message was sent from the halderson
39:09home on july 4th
39:13chandler sent it to himself
39:18so at this point the investigators began
39:20to wonder
39:21and perhaps you're beginning to wonder
39:22how the evidence will come out
39:26how does this happen
39:29how does this kid
39:31with everything in the world going for
39:32him
39:33promising new jobs school
39:36a girlfriend that loves him willing to
39:38move across the country for him
39:41or even physically a kid who just
39:42suffered this major concussion
39:44was unable to use his legs for the most
39:46part
39:48how does this happen
39:51and what you'll learn
39:53it happens because none of these things
39:55are true
39:56oh
39:57he wasn't going to madison college
40:00he wasn't studying renewable resource
40:02engineering
40:03the people at american family insurance
40:05they'd never even heard of him
40:08there's no indication he'd ever even
40:09applied for a job much less had any job
40:12at spacex
40:13the apartment he told his girlfriend
40:15he'd rented in the car he'd bought none
40:16of that was real
40:19the madison police
40:20they don't even have a scuba diving team
40:23neither does the dnr
40:25and this concussion he apparently
40:26suffered he did go to the hospital
40:29you'll hear from the doctor who was
40:30there he said yeah he came in he
40:31reported that he hit his head falling
40:33down the stairs
40:35i diagnosed him with a mild concussion
40:37gave him a neck brace on the way out
40:39told him he could use it if he needed it
40:42but none of the things that chandler
40:43reported to other people
40:46the leg weakness his inability to move
40:48drive travel
40:50none of that was real
40:52and given what you're going to find out
40:54in this case you may conclude at the end
40:55of it
40:56he never suffered any fall at all
41:01what you may conclude
41:03is that it was all made up
41:07now
41:10police started looking into
41:13all of these lies
41:15because
41:16how does a person
41:18looks so promising was able to convince
41:21so many people of his success
41:24how are you able to keep this up
41:27how are you able to catfish your family
41:30your girlfriend
41:31your brother your friends they started
41:34to find things around the halderson home
41:38in the email accounts of bart and krista
41:40halderson in the email accounts of
41:42chandler halderson
41:45when they talk about american family
41:46insurance the first big lie chandler was
41:49making up
41:50again the people in american family
41:51insurance you'll hear them testify
41:52they're directors of human resources he
41:53never worked there i had a couple people
41:56asking what prison is he going to
41:58i think bridget mentioned it earlier
42:00anybody know off the top of the head
42:01just type it in chat never worked for
42:03any of their affiliates
42:05never worked for any of the companies
42:06that are associated with them
42:08chandler had been claiming to work there
42:10for a year
42:13but he never had any money his father
42:16was an accountant so his father would
42:18ask him questions pretty much daily why
42:20don't you have any money
42:21why would she paid any rent
42:24and chandler spun an amazing web of lies
42:28first it was
42:29well i'm a salary guy but they were
42:30accidentally paying me hourly so they
42:32just held my paychecks until they fixed
42:33it
42:34then it was i gave him the wrong direct
42:35deposit info
42:37then it kind of shifted eventually
42:40he said well oh really
42:42so it is the same one as chris watts and
42:44what's the one that chris watts went to
42:46i don't know
42:47damn
42:49that's kind of ironic and interesting
42:53what
42:54he will be going to green bay maximum
42:56security thank you for unforgettable
42:58beauty
43:00wow
43:02interesting very interesting
43:04they were going to pay me but now the
43:06amount is so much they got to pay me so
43:07much money
43:08that when they deposit in the bank they
43:10thought it was fake
43:13and police started to find emails like
43:15this
43:17this from tom selznick a guy in american
43:19family insurance a northeast remote
43:21human resources guy
43:24describing this you're registered as
43:26salary but you're making hourly and
43:27these emails would go back and forth
43:29with chandler
43:31and the hr person and eventually he
43:32forward him to his father
43:35but in the way a parent looks at their
43:37child as maybe telling the truth
43:39is not the way that you as jurors have
43:41to look at this
43:43you like the police maybe have to take a
43:44more critical look at emails like this
43:47and for one notice
43:49why is the guy who works at human
43:50resources at american family insurance
43:52using a proton male generic email
43:54address
43:57why is the guy who's the human resources
43:58manager spelling the word resources
44:00wrong
44:02saying he's the recourses manager bro
44:04this is
44:06it's comically fake
44:08for those of you that may not know like
44:10yeah a lot of
44:11businesses professionals are not using i
44:14mean they may
44:16but it's not professional to use a gmail
44:18account
44:19for a business that's one uh that's why
44:22i have my own server it can melt it can
44:24mail but i might change
44:26the front part to something else but
44:27yeah gmail typically is not something
44:29that's considered
44:30professional you need like a server
44:32domain whatever
44:35and then a lot of times too with these
44:36scam stuff because i get a lot of scam
44:37stuff all the time
44:39you'll see misspellings sometimes or
44:41different things and usually
44:43that's kind of an indicator
44:46he emailed himself back and forth
44:49trying to explain why he didn't have any
44:51money
44:52and he forwards it to his dad
44:57now here's where the story gets maybe a
44:58little more complex
45:02having a fake job
45:05solves a lot of riddles in your life no
45:06one's hassling you to get a new job
45:10no one's hassling you to do chores all
45:11day
45:13the problem is
45:14if your dad works for home from home
45:17if if he was an accountant for instance
45:18which he was and what she did
45:21you actually have to wake up early every
45:23day and go to work
45:24hmm so there he is spoiled spoiled
45:27between bart and chandler hey are you up
45:29for your meetings yeah
45:31over and over again
45:33so chandler woke up
45:35but he had nothing to do all day because
45:37his job was pretend
45:39and so he sat on his computer playing
45:40video games and i'm not against people
45:42playing video games i'm a
45:44guy myself people play video games
45:46but video games if you don't know some
45:48of you are of an age where you do and
45:49some are you in age where you don't
45:51are a much more social thing than they
45:53used to be
45:54when you play video games you don't just
45:57sit on nintendo 64 and play mario by
45:59yourself
46:01you're playing role player games with
46:04people from around the world
46:06and who's up early in the morning
46:08when mr halderson had to wake up to
46:09attend his fake work meetings
46:13people in the military who are stationed
46:15overseas
46:17they speak english
46:18they're american
46:20but they're on a different time schedule
46:21they're on him's time schedule most
46:23people here probably play video games at
46:24night during weekdays
46:27but every day mr halderson was able to
46:29wake up and find a group of friends to
46:30play video games with online one of
46:32which
46:33was stationed in germany
46:36this friend was a guy named andrew smith
46:40now mr smith mr halderson became kind of
46:43best friends they would talk all the
46:45time
46:46they communicated in this video game all
46:48the time
46:49and mr smith he'll testify he's coming
46:51up here
46:52lives down south he's back in the u.s
46:56he'll tell you
46:57that chandler really liked an sks rifle
47:00when they play some of these shooting
47:01games
47:02just something he liked
47:04not a big deal there's nothing wrong
47:06with that
47:08but this past summer
47:10about a month before the murders of bart
47:12and krista halterson
47:14this online friend andrew smith
47:17comes to visit mr hollerson
47:19and expect stays at the home with barton
47:21christa
47:22okay this is a picture of mr smith and
47:24then perhaps
47:26crudely designed yellow shirt
47:28that's mr halderson it's the only photo
47:30we have of them on that visit
47:34you'll learn that mr smith had gotten
47:35out of the military he was done with it
47:38but you also learned that he really
47:40likes guns
47:41like he really likes guns
47:44and he knew his friend liked sks rifles
47:47so when he visited him
47:48this year in june
47:50he brought with him a gift
47:53the sks rifle that was found about 100
47:55yards bart holderson's body
48:00now you'll meet mr smith and you'll
48:02probably concur with me after meeting
48:04him he's not really probably a paperwork
48:06kind of guy
48:07and so when he gave the gun to mr
48:09halderson
48:10he wanted to document that he
48:11transferred the gun
48:13but he wasn't going to fill out any
48:14paperwork so he just took the serial
48:16number of the gun he put mr halderson's
48:19driver's license next to it snapped a
48:20picture on his phone there's a clear
48:21picture of that but that serial number
48:24matches the gun
48:26found in the barn
48:27100 yards from bart holderson's body
48:30and before mr smith left
48:33he decided he would gift his friend
48:34something else
48:35which was about 400 rounds of
48:37high-powered ammunition
48:44now
48:46you'll hear from mr smith
48:50despite me
48:51uh let me play this real quick the door
48:54by the door-to-door asking neighbors
48:58persons feeling and dismemberance over
49:01the sun
49:02let me use the clip that uh
49:05lindsay
49:06sent
49:08i see something real quick
49:11and then we'll jump back thus he didn't
49:13see his parents adam duckster spoke with
49:15that man today he's here now with what
49:16he learned adam
49:18eric chandler halderson lives with his
49:20parents in the village of windsor and
49:21says another unknown couple picked them
49:24up early friday morning before he was
49:26awake and tonight we're left to wonder
49:28what happened to barton krista halterson
49:32brett shuster says his usually quiet
49:35street is busier than ever since last
49:37night pulled in there is a couple
49:39sheriffs out there that two hours later
49:41there's three four detectives there as
49:42we saw the detectives under the house
49:44that's where we knew there's something
49:45going on inside
49:47bart bart's house shortly after the dane
49:50county sheriff's office shared this
49:51photo of bart and krista helderson
49:54police say the couple had planned to go
49:55to their cabin in langlade county their
49:57son chandler asked not to be shown on
50:00camera but he told us he didn't see his
50:02parents leave it added they didn't drive
50:04themselves they were picked up by their
50:06friends who i never got them
50:14playing an ad
50:22forgive me
50:26and i assumed it was someone i was aware
50:28of the close neighbors of theirs up the
50:30street or
50:32their best friends down on the east side
50:35so
50:35that's what i assumed i never really
50:37asked any further chandler says he
50:39assumed his parents had turned off their
50:41phones to avoid roaming charges and it
50:43wasn't until after the holiday weekend
50:45ended that he got nervous
50:47this weekend it was packed i get that
50:49packed
50:50maybe the weather wasn't great for
50:52messaging tonight dane county sheriff's
50:54office says there are too many
50:55unanswered questions to say anything
50:58while langlade county sheriff's office
51:00wouldn't confirm they're helping in a
51:01search police instead spending today
51:04interviewing neighbors like brett
51:06shuster himself the shocked i mean it's
51:08odd though everything that seems you
51:10know it's odd and shocking that you know
51:12you never expect or anticipate seeing
51:15something especially that close to your
51:16house i hope everything works out and
51:18it's just a misunderstanding with
51:19communication and comes pulling in the
51:21driveway any minute
51:22and chandler helderson says first
51:24parents believe even with another person
51:26does happen from time to time but he
51:28tells me another family member went to
51:30that cabin to check out cell service and
51:32was able to get through hopefully we'll
51:34get some answers soon adam ducks
51:36reporting adam thank you
51:44the second video of exhibit 40 is nbc
51:4715.
51:50search continues for this couple krista
51:52and bart halderson they live near
51:54deforest they were reported missing
51:56yesterday nbc 15's elise romas joins us
52:00live from the dane county sheriff's
52:01office northeast precinct elise you
52:04spoke with their son and people in the
52:06halderson's neighborhood
52:10john the helderson's son says that he
52:12helped his parents pack up the night
52:15before their trip to their cabin in land
52:17glade county he hasn't seen them since
52:20i was told they'd be home monday or
52:22tuesday and
52:23tuesday afternoon i got a little worried
52:25chandler holderson says his parents
52:27krista and bart were getting picked up
52:29by friends that friday they were
52:31planning to be at the cabin over the 4th
52:33of july weekend apparently they did make
52:35it i got a text on sunday holderson says
52:38after that
52:39okay so this is him talking
52:41via audio to like the news and stuff
52:43next he began getting worried when his
52:45calls to his mom went directly to
52:47voicemail that's when they were i got
52:49worried and i went to make a report
52:52holderson says his aunt went to the
52:53cabin on tuesday but did not find anyone
52:56there shocked
52:58it's odd the whole thing is this odd
53:00brett shuster lives next door to the
53:02holdersons you know this is typically a
53:04quiet neighborhood you usually never see
53:06anything like this or anticipate or
53:08expect to hear something like this one
53:09of holderson's biggest concerns who his
53:12parents were with when they left
53:14they went with their friends but i
53:16didn't ask who their friends were so i'm
53:18still not really sure while law
53:20enforcement searches for answers the
53:22community is hoping for the holderson's
53:24safe return i hope everything works out
53:26and this you know loss of communication
53:29they're up north and they pull in any
53:30minute
53:32so thoughts and prayers do them and hope
53:34everything's fine
53:38i called the language county sheriff's
53:40office today for information and they
53:42told me that the dane county sheriff's
53:44office is leading this investigation i'm
53:46waiting to hear back from dane county on
53:48whether or not deputies did a welfare
53:50check at that cabin in landlake county
53:53in deforest elise romas nbc 15 news
54:01and finally a clip from w-k-o-w
54:06authorities are still searching for a
54:08windsor couple who have not been seen in
54:10days 50 year old bart halderson and his
54:13wife 53 year old krista were supposed to
54:15travel north last week and return home
54:18on tuesday but their son tells tony
54:20galley his parents whereabouts are
54:22unknown
54:24bart and krista halderson of windsor had
54:27plans for the fourth their plans were
54:29going up with their friends and do some
54:30minor repairs on our cabin that cabin is
54:33some three hours away from windsor on a
54:36lake in a small community in langlade
54:38county did you literally see them
54:40pulling out of the driveway heading out
54:42no their son chandler halderson who
54:45asked to be off camera says whoever his
54:48parents were traveling with from this
54:50neighborhood were to do the driving he
54:53says he received a text from his mother
54:56she got back to me on sunday
54:58said they made it safely that's the last
55:01he's heard from his parents
55:03neighbor brett shuster's reaction to the
55:05holder since disappearance wow
55:08wow you know my wife is pretty shook up
55:10too i mean they're very nice couple very
55:12nice family detectives now go door to
55:15door here while sheriff's personnel here
55:17in dane county are checking for any and
55:20all information the missing couple's son
55:22says law enforcement in langlade county
55:25has checked on the family's cabin there
55:28and he says that visit only adds to the
55:31mystery the sheriff said it looked
55:34like there wasn't anyone home family and
55:38friends hope the halderson's up
55:40all right i'm gonna play one more clip
55:41and then we'll get back to the trial
55:43stuff
55:44um
55:47i don't want to lose the spot but this
55:48is him on the ring door cam too i think
55:51they're saying
55:54this was from uh latoya
55:58of killing and dismembering his parents
56:01over the summer hannah hilgendorf and
56:04her sister haley
56:06said they visited chandler when they
56:07found out his parents were missing she
56:10said she was acting different she said
56:12he was acting differently than he
56:14normally does and a few things were out
56:16of place in the home including a table
56:19turned on its side during that visit
56:21hannah also told the jury she didn't
56:24feel safe and it was like she was
56:26sitting in the middle of a crime scene
56:28thank
56:29say chandler halderson went around to
56:31his neighbors houses asking about their
56:34ring cameras on their porches brady
56:37mallory takes us to the courtroom to
56:39show us why this was a focus today brady
56:41a former madison police department
56:43detective lives across the street from
56:45the halderson home he says chandler
56:47halderson walked up to his door the
56:48morning after bart and krista were
56:50reported missing he asked if the ring
56:52video doorbell he had would have shown
56:54anything happening across the street or
56:57if it caught anyone coming and going
56:59from the previous thursday night friday
57:01morning the time frame he allegedly told
57:03authorities his parents left for the
57:05cabin weirdo a number of other neighbors
57:08told similar stories of how he
57:09approached weirdo [ __ ] bro how weird is
57:11that after your parents are dead their
57:13front door is on you killed them of july
57:158th some of the neighbors captured the
57:17encounters on their ring doorbell
57:18systems
57:20wow
57:21if you were able to capture the road or
57:23my house
57:24did
57:28bro that's so weird
57:31latoya thank you for sending that how
57:33bruh
57:36did you capture anything just just
57:38asking you know just kind of curious if
57:39you caught anything took a copy of
57:41everything and
57:42so we're hoping yeah and look at them
57:44too creepin
57:51prosecutors did not yet establish why
57:53chandler halderson may be looking for
57:55video of the street in front of his
57:56parents home but bart's brother brett
57:58halderson did testify that he urged
58:01chandler halderson to ask around for any
58:03video that might show who came and left
58:05the home at six we'll hear from friends
58:08of the haldersons and why they thought
58:10something was wrong brady we'll see you
58:11at six thank you we oh my god all right
58:14i believe you guys this was an
58:15interesting case for sure
58:17hey i don't know if we're gonna have to
58:18revisit the whole thing
58:20all right let's resume back
58:22it is interesting i can't lie holy crap
58:24this guy's
58:25just
58:27maybe his bizarre actions
58:30and maybe his bizarre
58:32statements he may make
58:34he's not a suspect police proved he was
58:36in texas at the time all of this
58:38happened
58:39another unknowing accomplice to mr
58:41halderson's crimes
58:44so at this point mr halderson's working
58:46a pretend job at american family
58:48insurance
58:49he's not getting paid his father who's
58:51an accountant is kind of honest case
58:52about it
58:54and he's got to figure out something
58:56else
58:57and the best way out of your pretend job
59:00is an even more pretend job
59:03so around may going into june
59:05of this past year
59:08american family wasn't going well so mr
59:10halderson decided to get a new job
59:13he's going to be an astronaut
59:15i work at
59:16spacex this is messages to his
59:18girlfriend
59:19i have a good feeling about spacex i
59:22have a follow-up interview for florida
59:23tomorrow
59:25shoot sorry i got the job
59:27i have training next week over the
59:28computer and leave june 11th and start
59:31june 14th
59:37he didn't give himself a lot of time
59:39but what he gave himself was an escape
59:40hatch he could move
59:42he could end the lies that he had going
59:44on in his life about being a rescue
59:46scuba diver and working for american
59:48family insurance by simply moving to
59:50florida
59:52that presented with it one major problem
59:54which was that job which was also make
59:57believe would pay absolutely no better
59:59than the last job that was make believe
1:00:03so in late june as he's supposed to
1:00:05start the job at spacex
1:00:07in florida for elon musk
1:00:11something happens in the halderson
1:00:12family something real there's a change
1:00:15remember when i started off and i said
1:00:17there were two sons
1:00:19his older brother
1:00:20gets hospitalized that's real that
1:00:22happened
1:00:24got diagnosed with diabetes and was
1:00:25having some complications he's doing
1:00:26great now
1:00:30mr halderson uses that as an excuse to
1:00:32delay starting at spacex it was a stroke
1:00:34of good luck for him a stroke of bad
1:00:36luck of course for the family but a
1:00:37stroke of good luck for him
1:00:40but that only gave him a couple of weeks
1:00:44so his brother
1:00:45who's doing really well in life
1:00:47engaged house
1:00:50real job making a lot of money
1:00:53suddenly he's in the hospital
1:00:55being doted over by his family by his
1:00:57mother
1:00:58people care about him hmm got the
1:01:00attention now
1:01:02what you've been seeking
1:01:03so roughly a week later when chandler
1:01:05halderson needs to think of a new lie to
1:01:06get out of the spacex lie
1:01:09guess who ends up in the hospital
1:01:11being doted over by his mother
1:01:14and his family
1:01:15with a supposed neck injury
1:01:18this is father's day of this year
1:01:20in late june
1:01:22that's bart holderson in the middle
1:01:23mitchell on the right of course chandler
1:01:25wearing a neck brace
1:01:27that no one told him he had to wear
1:01:29on the left
1:01:34now around this time chandler started
1:01:35telling people
1:01:37extraordinarily bizarre set of claims
1:01:40that he had a brain bleed a hematoma
1:01:43that he had spinal damage
1:01:45that he needed his head drilled open
1:01:48the inability to use his legs at
1:01:50all couldn't
1:01:52have you guys ever had anybody in your
1:01:54life this crazy just habitual
1:01:57liars like hearing i mean
1:02:00i've never experienced anything to this
1:02:02extreme but it just takes me back it
1:02:03reminds me of somebody maybe actually
1:02:05like two people yeah somebody's just
1:02:08making up [ __ ] and just going and going
1:02:10and going just kind of standing back and
1:02:12looking and they think i mean i guess he
1:02:14had a lot of people fooled but
1:02:16they just think they have everybody in
1:02:18the world fooled and people maybe don't
1:02:20call them out until they start calling
1:02:22them out just incredible to see some
1:02:24crazy [ __ ] like this yo
1:02:26you're gonna put your time into
1:02:28something else you gotta no you know you
1:02:29guys don't have that [ __ ] i can at least
1:02:31think of two people easily
1:02:37what the hell
1:02:38drive
1:02:39people had to do that for him
1:02:41nerve damage
1:02:43needed to get a colostomy bag
1:02:45but most importantly
1:02:49he couldn't go to florida
1:02:51the doctors had told him he couldn't fly
1:02:54why is it of course that's not true
1:02:55you'll see his medical records and
1:02:56you'll see his doctor testify his legs
1:03:00so suddenly this man
1:03:04who
1:03:04[Music]
1:03:07was
1:03:08for all intents and purposes
1:03:10disabled
1:03:12was being doted over by his family the
1:03:13same people listening to the meals
1:03:16his mom was leaving for him call this
1:03:17neighbor if you need anything
1:03:20she'll help you out
1:03:23couldn't drive couldn't work
1:03:25couldn't do chores
1:03:28another youtuber a bit of a preview and
1:03:30a fast forward this guy who's wearing a
1:03:31neck brace
1:03:33nearly every day
1:03:34in late june look at this 2021 bro i
1:03:37can't wait to have no problem just days
1:03:39later
1:03:40carrying large bags of ice no gas
1:03:42stations to chill his father's cut up
1:03:44body
1:03:45in the freezer and you'll note
1:03:47no neck brace and in fact you'll note in
1:03:49this case
1:03:51chandler halderson has never seen and
1:03:53then neck brace again
1:03:55after july 1st
1:03:562021 when he kills his parents
1:04:01so the job lies are over for chandler in
1:04:03his life
1:04:04american family insurance don't worry
1:04:06about that because you got this new job
1:04:07at spacex
1:04:08in spacex i can't go cause i'm hurt
1:04:11it was a perfect scenario
1:04:13but there was one last lie that chandler
1:04:15had to get out of
1:04:16and that is he had told everyone he was
1:04:18going to matc for college and that he
1:04:21was about to graduate
1:04:23and you'll hear there's a hint of truth
1:04:25to that he was going there at one point
1:04:26in fact there's a hint of truth to all
1:04:27of these lies
1:04:30he did go to matc for like a semester he
1:04:32failed out
1:04:34but he wasn't going there anymore
1:04:37and the parents were starting to grow
1:04:39suspicious
1:04:41and we knew this because when we
1:04:42searched the house we started to find
1:04:44notes
1:04:45on bart halderson's desk bart holderson
1:04:47was one of these guys who prints his
1:04:48emails i don't know if any of you print
1:04:50your emails but some people they get an
1:04:52email and they print it out
1:04:55that was bart
1:04:57we find one
1:05:00it's an email between bart and christa
1:05:03detailing a conversation that he had had
1:05:05with chandler's advisors at matc
1:05:09supposed to meet with someone else so we
1:05:11met with this guy daniel spieth
1:05:13chandler's going to get a solar
1:05:14certificate
1:05:15he wasn't
1:05:17he's registered for fall classes he
1:05:18wasn't
1:05:20he's in the i.t program he wasn't
1:05:23all of these things line by line
1:05:25none of them true
1:05:27but bart alderson talked to this person
1:05:31so please hone in on something
1:05:33that line
1:05:35when i talk to the advisor he sounds
1:05:37just like chaz on the phone
1:05:39jazz and he gives this number
1:05:42that is of course because bart holderson
1:05:45when he talked to chandler's college
1:05:46advisor
1:05:47was just talking to chandler
1:05:49who had bought a burner phone you know
1:05:51cheap phone from like walgreens that you
1:05:53can buy with no service carrier
1:05:56and police know that because they
1:05:58searched chandler's bedroom
1:05:59and in his jets drawer
1:06:01they found that phone
1:06:07now this kept going
1:06:09the lie about going to matc or madison
1:06:11college was the most extensive
1:06:13there were emails dozens if not hundreds
1:06:16of emails going back and forth between
1:06:18supposed advisors at matc and chandler
1:06:21and then he'd forward him to his dad
1:06:23from people like someone named alyssa
1:06:25brandt 64. sometimes chandler would
1:06:27spell brandt
1:06:28b-r-a-n-d-t sometimes just with the t
1:06:30and no d dependent on the day
1:06:34but they all had the at gmail address
1:06:36not at
1:06:37madisoncollege.edu and you'll hear from
1:06:39the people at madison college their
1:06:40people have real emails they don't use
1:06:42gmail
1:06:44but it was
1:06:45over and over again alyssa brant was one
1:06:47of them you heard about daniel spieth
1:06:49also at gmail there was someone named
1:06:50aaron hoover also at gmail
1:06:53in this one chandler's getting upset
1:06:55i have to have a call with whomever is
1:06:56in charge within the next 30 minutes i
1:06:58have been a student for over three years
1:06:59and i will be treated fairly
1:07:01of course he's yelling at himself
1:07:04all of these were fake
1:07:07back and forth to himself
1:07:09and eventually to his dad
1:07:13the halters and parents had to have been
1:07:14growing extraordinarily frustrated
1:07:17kid wasn't getting paid
1:07:18he was injured suddenly
1:07:20his college transcripts aren't coming
1:07:22through so he came to new job
1:07:26so police looked at that original note
1:07:28again
1:07:32they saw something interesting
1:07:35which is in this sea of fake people
1:07:38daniel spieth aaron hoover
1:07:40tom selznick
1:07:43alyssa brandt
1:07:45there was one name that stood out
1:07:48omar job
1:07:51and that name didn't stand out because
1:07:52it was fake
1:07:54it stood out to the police because it
1:07:56was real
1:07:57that is the only real person on any of
1:08:00these emails
1:08:03and what we've discovered in this
1:08:04investigation
1:08:06is in just the day and a half prior to
1:08:08being murdered
1:08:10bart halderson
1:08:12chandler's dad
1:08:13called matc
1:08:16and pretended to be chandler to try to
1:08:18finally get some information on what's
1:08:19going on
1:08:20just as any of you could call any doctor
1:08:22and pretend to be your kid you know
1:08:23their name their social security number
1:08:25their birthday
1:08:26you can get through you can get through
1:08:27those minor security things
1:08:30bart called m-a-t oh snap so dad calls
1:08:33out i'm chandler
1:08:35and i want some answers
1:08:37and for 17 minutes
1:08:39bart halderson
1:08:41just before his murder
1:08:43talked to a man named omar job
1:08:46omar jobe is a
1:08:49entry-level
1:08:51customer
1:08:52service guy at matc he's got no skin in
1:08:55the game
1:08:57doesn't even really remember the call
1:08:59but it was recorded for customer service
1:09:01purposes
1:09:04and bart halderson questions omar and
1:09:06he's very
1:09:08mean at first
1:09:10because in his mind
1:09:12he'd been getting screwed around for a
1:09:14year on where his son's transcripts were
1:09:16and what degree program he's in and why
1:09:18he hasn't graduated yet
1:09:21but toward the end of the call
1:09:23bart
1:09:24asks omar joe hey do any of these people
1:09:26work there
1:09:27melissa bran
1:09:28daniel spieth
1:09:30aaron hoover
1:09:32and he's told no they've never worked
1:09:34there and in fact they haven't
1:09:38and he says
1:09:39that'll be it then
1:09:41that'll be it then are the last recorded
1:09:43words of bart alderson alive
1:09:50bart alderson shortly after that sends a
1:09:52text message
1:09:54a text message that ultimately sealed
1:09:56his fate he's a text to his own son
1:10:00and it says i spoke with omar job
1:10:04now
1:10:06what happens over the next 24 or so
1:10:08hours is a bit unknown homicide
1:10:10investigations are a lot of unknowns
1:10:11because the two people who are the
1:10:13victims who maybe know the most about
1:10:15what happened they're of course dead
1:10:18but there's not much verifiable
1:10:19information that happens over the next
1:10:2024 hours
1:10:22it's also unknown if chandler even knew
1:10:23who omar job was of course he wasn't
1:10:25going to matc so why would he know who
1:10:26some
1:10:28lowly
1:10:28entry-level customer service guy was
1:10:31he wouldn't
1:10:33but bart halderson did
1:10:37when you look at bart halderson's work
1:10:39calendar
1:10:40that he maintains it as a counting firm
1:10:43you see something quite interesting
1:10:44remember at the beginning i said i
1:10:45wanted you to remember a date at the
1:10:46time which was that the holidays were
1:10:48killed between 3 and 5 p.m on july 1st
1:10:512021.
1:10:54guess what was on bart's calendar
1:10:55at that exact time
1:10:58he was supposed to have a meeting with
1:11:00the people at matc
1:11:01with his son
1:11:04so supposed to go to matc and have this
1:11:06meeting
1:11:07at three o'clock
1:11:08on july 1st
1:11:122021. let's go in person of course that
1:11:15meeting could happen
1:11:16because he wasn't going there and none
1:11:18of the people were real
1:11:20right but bart halderson knew that
1:11:24bart halderson knew that
1:11:26fake
1:11:28and so
1:11:29chandler had obviously figured that out
1:11:31at this point
1:11:33there's no way out of this one
1:11:35you can't get out of this lie
1:11:37and so the next day chandler halderson
1:11:40wakes up on july 1st and starts
1:11:42messaging his girlfriend
1:11:447 26 i hardly slept
1:11:477 27 stuff has been going well for me
1:11:49lately just trying to plan for the next
1:11:51thing to [ __ ] me over
1:11:53751 i had a great future planned it's
1:11:56falling apart
1:11:58104 just two hours prior to the murders
1:12:01i overheard
1:12:02they might go to the cabin with their
1:12:04friends
1:12:05but i don't
1:12:06know so somewhat of a full circle at
1:12:09this point
1:12:10that's the moment
1:12:12chandler holderson decides to kill his
1:12:14parents
1:12:15and engage in this bizarre story of them
1:12:17missing at a cabin
1:12:19with an unknown couple in an unknown car
1:12:22at 104 july 1st
1:12:25now shortly after this message
1:12:28it's about an hour and 10 minutes
1:12:31bart holders is getting ready to go to
1:12:32matc for this meeting
1:12:34perhaps to confront chandler perhaps
1:12:36chandler's going to confront him
1:12:38bart text chandler
1:12:40i'm ready whenever you are
1:12:42that's about 50 minutes prior to when he
1:12:44was killed
1:12:45wow
1:12:48those are the last words ever recorded
1:12:50at bart halderson
1:12:53his phone is never used really
1:12:55again
1:12:56dies at some point
1:12:58he never
1:12:59goes back to work no one ever sees him
1:13:01the neighborhood he lives in riddled
1:13:03with security cameras never see him
1:13:04again
1:13:07i'm ready whenever you are
1:13:10what the evidence will show in this case
1:13:11is that sometime after the i'm ready
1:13:14whenever you are message
1:13:16probably just around three o'clock when
1:13:17he was supposed to go to this meeting
1:13:19with matc
1:13:20bart halderson was shot in the back
1:13:22multiple times with a high-powered rifle
1:13:27and after shooting his dad
1:13:29chandler texts his mom
1:13:33dad's phone died
1:13:35text her call me
1:13:38and get sewed on your way home i have an
1:13:40extra hour of work
1:13:43you know he didn't have an extra hour of
1:13:44work
1:13:46but he was delaying her getting there
1:13:48because the evidence will show he needed
1:13:50to
1:13:51move things around
1:13:53prepare for what he was about to do when
1:13:54she showed up
1:13:57she responds
1:13:58okay i can smiley face
1:14:01those are the last words of crystal
1:14:02holder still alive
1:14:06shortly thereafter
1:14:07around just after five
1:14:10neighborhood security cameras the
1:14:11haldersons didn't have one but the
1:14:12neighborhood a lot of people did
1:14:14show krista pulling in
1:14:16getting out of the car walking in she's
1:14:18never seen again until her legs are
1:14:20found out by the wisconsin river
1:14:24but just after killing his mom and his
1:14:26dad the evidence in this case will show
1:14:28that chandler went on his phone
1:14:30if you go on your phone if any of you
1:14:31ever taken a note and take notes on your
1:14:33phone iphone has an app called notes
1:14:36we got some raw data and i
1:14:38i'll put it up here in a second i won't
1:14:40put the raw data because it's a bit
1:14:41challenging to see but chandler creates
1:14:43a note
1:14:45about 5 11 that day on july 1st
1:14:48probably minutes after killing his
1:14:49parents and the note reads
1:14:53weekend shores
1:14:55h2o2 lemon
1:14:57h2o2 is the chemical name for hydrogen
1:14:59peroxide
1:15:01you'll hear from people in this case
1:15:03it's essentially a household cleaner to
1:15:04clean up blood
1:15:05lemon deodorizes things mixed together
1:15:08it's a pretty cheap cleaning product you
1:15:10can have at home
1:15:11so chandler writes a note after
1:15:13murdering his parents h2o2 lemon
1:15:15door handles
1:15:17move your [ __ ] upstairs
1:15:19get a job
1:15:22and clean the floor
1:15:24incredible
1:15:26he then does just that
1:15:28spends the afternoon cleaning the house
1:15:30eventually jumps in the shower
1:15:32we know he's in the shower because his
1:15:33girlfriend and him facetime when they're
1:15:35in the shower
1:15:36no judgment but that's what happened and
1:15:38the girlfriend took a screenshot we know
1:15:39he's in the shower they say they're good
1:15:41nights and chandler says i'm going to
1:15:42bed
1:15:43but he doesn't
1:15:46he goes to gas stations
1:15:48he's carrying out large bags of ice
1:15:51because what chandler had done that
1:15:52night
1:15:54is what you all probably suspect by now
1:15:57he had dismembered his parents or at
1:15:58least started the process and had to fit
1:16:00them inside of freezers that were in the
1:16:02halderson home you'll see some of these
1:16:04freezers they're cleaned there's still
1:16:06some evidence around
1:16:10that night
1:16:12i'm not going to show many photographs
1:16:13for a little bit just because i think
1:16:15you deserve to kind of be eased into
1:16:17some of the things you're going to see
1:16:20that night
1:16:21what appears to have happened what the
1:16:23evidence will show
1:16:25is mr halderson took items from around
1:16:27the house
1:16:28and began cutting apart his parents
1:16:33saw blades
1:16:34covered in barton crysta's blood
1:16:37and axe
1:16:39barton chris's blood
1:16:41hand saws things of that sort covered in
1:16:43bart and crystal's blood
1:16:45he cleaned the house as best he could
1:16:47and you'll hear about that but still a
1:16:49blood spatter found of bart and christ's
1:16:50blood around the house
1:16:53and he had a plan
1:16:56it wasn't a well thought out plan but he
1:16:57had one
1:16:58and that was he was going to burn the
1:17:00remains in the family fireplace the
1:17:03fireplace now
1:17:05so it's july 1st and if any of you
1:17:07remember fourth of july weekend's pretty
1:17:08hot this year
1:17:11people in the neighborhood thought it
1:17:11was a little bit weird
1:17:13that so much fireplace was going on they
1:17:15smelled stuff
1:17:18one person this neighborhood's full of
1:17:19retired cops but one retired cop said i
1:17:22smelled
1:17:23like a barbecue like a smell like a pig
1:17:25roast and he said that
1:17:27just not knowing what it was at the time
1:17:29talking to the police
1:17:33and that night a neighbor who had a
1:17:35security camera behind the halderson
1:17:37home
1:17:39way far away
1:17:41was able to catch something
1:17:43because it was pitch black at night it
1:17:45was able to catch just a little glimpse
1:17:46of all the windows
1:17:48in the haunted house
1:17:50we have an expert that's going to come
1:17:51in who works with video and light
1:17:53analysis he's going to tell you he was
1:17:55able to figure out which window that was
1:17:57and the window it was
1:18:00that he was looking at in that camera
1:18:01footage that kind of
1:18:02just
1:18:03peaked his attention
1:18:06was the window by the fireplace
1:18:08and for many hours over the course of
1:18:10that night the light flickered came on
1:18:14died down on down
1:18:17but in the early morning hours the next
1:18:18day been up all night doing this
1:18:21because you'll learn you really can't
1:18:22burn human remains your home fireplace
1:18:24is not going to get hot enough to do
1:18:25that it takes an extraordinary amount of
1:18:27heat to go to the crematorium
1:18:30they're inducing it with oxygen
1:18:33chemicals
1:18:34not a residential fireplace
1:18:36but eventually in the middle of the
1:18:37night the fire started going well
1:18:40it appeared that air was being pumped
1:18:42into it and you'll see when they
1:18:43searched the halderson home there was in
1:18:44fact a fan found right next to the
1:18:46fireplace
1:18:47next to a tape measure
1:18:49trying to make sure the remains were the
1:18:50right size as they went in the fireplace
1:18:54but that light at one point grew and
1:18:56grew and grew and got very bright in one
1:18:59room
1:19:00then all of a sudden did you say there
1:19:01was a tape measure to make sure the
1:19:03remains were the right size to go in the
1:19:05fireplace
1:19:06wow then the kitchen line came on
1:19:09and then all the lights went out
1:19:16i don't know if anyone's ever taken a
1:19:17hot pyrex plan pan out of the
1:19:21stove and put water in it or dump hot or
1:19:24dump water on your hot water on your
1:19:25windshield on your car in the winter
1:19:28but it explodes the glass
1:19:31the evidence in this case will show that
1:19:32what happened was the fire had gotten
1:19:34out of control burning these human
1:19:35remains human fat was rendering out oh
1:19:38my god dude it was ignited
1:19:40so chandler threw water on it
1:19:42but when you throw water on your
1:19:44residential fireplace
1:19:47you break the glass
1:19:49that's exactly what happened
1:19:52just above that broken glass panel which
1:19:54is clearly shattered you see the paint
1:19:56kind of bubbled off
1:19:58from the heat
1:20:01this is in the search of the home some
1:20:03week later
1:20:05fireplace is clearly used
1:20:09police noticed something interesting
1:20:10about this photograph which is despite
1:20:12being clearly used
1:20:15the fire
1:20:16the logs are rebuilt
1:20:19someone had cleaned out all the ashes
1:20:22and rebuilt it
1:20:25clean logs
1:20:27newspaper one burnt piece in the middle
1:20:30but what stuck out to police right away
1:20:32was
1:20:34that little rock right there
1:20:37they thought what is that
1:20:39you'll hear from the people who
1:20:40collected this evidence you'll hear from
1:20:42an arson specialist from the department
1:20:43of justice a guy named bill boswell who
1:20:45come in
1:20:46you'll hear from a forensic
1:20:47anthropologist a doctor named christina
1:20:49figueroa soto
1:20:50who will tell you
1:20:52we were all interested in what that was
1:20:53because it was out of place
1:20:55so they pulled it off and they put it on
1:20:57one of these fancy police
1:20:58deals and the forensic anthropologist
1:21:01took one look at it and she said oh
1:21:04this is a human skull
1:21:07it burned his parents heads in that
1:21:08fireplace
1:21:11later the police would go through the
1:21:14ash trap of that fireplace and they
1:21:16would find human remains
1:21:18facial bones
1:21:20the knee bones which because we found
1:21:21crystals legs by deduction had to be
1:21:23barred
1:21:24we're all in the ash trap
1:21:27of that fireplace
1:21:29they were all catalogued
1:21:31now burnt remains
1:21:32can't be tested for dna there's no
1:21:34biological material left
1:21:36but they're able to tell it's human
1:21:38based on the structure of the bone and
1:21:40you'll hear from the anthropologists who
1:21:41will talk about that
1:21:45so that's what happened
1:21:47on july 1st
1:21:49now you're going to hear about all of
1:21:51those days in between
1:21:52barton christa dying at 3 o'clock on the
1:21:55first all the way through the police
1:21:57report
1:21:59but to summarize chandler stayed up all
1:22:00night that night of the first
1:22:03obviously things weren't going well
1:22:05burning his parents remains
1:22:07perhaps not having slept he walked into
1:22:09fleet farm at 7 21 am to buy a tarp he's
1:22:13on video
1:22:14he knew his girlfriend was spending the
1:22:16night that night
1:22:17so he spent the whole day cleaning but
1:22:18he's sending her text messages which you
1:22:20will see throughout the day
1:22:21asking her to bring him hydrogen
1:22:22peroxide and a mop
1:22:26because he still needed to clean up
1:22:31the next day
1:22:33saturday july
1:22:343rd 2021 his girlfriend leaves early in
1:22:38the morning that's the day she snaps
1:22:39that picture of him up by the wisconsin
1:22:40river dumping off his mom's remains
1:22:44he spends the rest of the day hanging
1:22:45out but when he goes home and says he's
1:22:47going to bed that night
1:22:48this young man who supposedly couldn't
1:22:50drive or carry heavy objects his phone
1:22:52records show that he's up near the
1:22:54wisconsin river in portage
1:22:56as if you're driving the interstate up
1:22:57to the dells right when you cross the
1:22:58wisconsin river off in the state land
1:23:00there to the right
1:23:02for about an hour in the middle of the
1:23:04night
1:23:05the police tried to search that area it
1:23:07was impossible with the currents
1:23:09whatever remains were thrown in there
1:23:10are lost forever
1:23:12[Music]
1:23:13july 4th 2021 this is the day he texts
1:23:16himself spends the day with his
1:23:18girlfriend's family goes to their farm
1:23:19to use the pool that's the day he says
1:23:21hey can i come back tomorrow
1:23:23goes to some fireworks he's living a
1:23:25normal life
1:23:27no mention of his parents
1:23:29the next day
1:23:30takes out the garbage in the morning who
1:23:32knows what was in that garbage can
1:23:34we've thoroughly searched the landfills
1:23:36but it's impossible to find anything
1:23:39but he took out the garbage
1:23:41he goes out to the farm to supposedly
1:23:43use the pool where he's seen walking out
1:23:44of the woods
1:23:47cell phone tower records proved that he
1:23:48was out there on the farm
1:23:50remember i told you he told that person
1:23:52that he was having trouble at work in
1:23:53school and
1:23:55and and having a bad doctor's
1:23:56appointment
1:23:57he never went to any doctor's
1:23:58appointment that day phone records show
1:24:00he never talked to any doctor it was all
1:24:02a ruse to be able to go out in the woods
1:24:04and hide his father's body
1:24:07the next day not much happens
1:24:10because chandler was up all night
1:24:12again that light analysis shows all
1:24:14night the garage light on and off the
1:24:16garage of course being where we found
1:24:18some of these tools the axe covered in
1:24:19blood
1:24:21he's cleaning up
1:24:23at 4 30 in the morning for no apparent
1:24:25reason he drives around the city of
1:24:26madison
1:24:27there's no idea what he did there
1:24:30but he's not doing much but people begin
1:24:32questioning him about his parents
1:24:35he just says they're late
1:24:38the person most worried perhaps is his
1:24:40girlfriend
1:24:42she thought that was unlike them
1:24:45the next day
1:24:46he drives back to the farm
1:24:49throws a bag of bloody rags
1:24:52into their garbage can
1:24:54that's out by the street
1:24:57at 11 22 he texts his girlfriend that
1:24:59he's finally going to the police
1:25:01we know that bag of rags came from his
1:25:03house
1:25:05because they were in the target bag his
1:25:07girlfriend picked up from target and she
1:25:09did the curbside pickup
1:25:11so her name was printed on the outside
1:25:14it was when she brought him hydrogen
1:25:16peroxide
1:25:17he filled the bag with bloody rags
1:25:19and left it at the house
1:25:22the next day he starts googling body
1:25:25found wisconsin dismembered body found
1:25:26[Music]
1:25:28he's walking door to door asking about
1:25:29security cameras in his neighborhood
1:25:32and at 4 pm they take him downtown
1:25:34and they arrest him at 6 41.
1:25:40so that's the story
1:25:43that's why you're here for a couple
1:25:44weeks holy crap
1:25:47like i said in the beginning a lot of
1:25:49cases end with the murder
1:25:52this one it's just a small piece of the
1:25:54puzzle
1:25:55none of the things that happen after and
1:25:56none of the things happened before make
1:25:58any sense without knowing the murder
1:25:59happened on a specific day at a specific
1:26:01time
1:26:03but the evidence in this case you'll
1:26:05find is overwhelming
1:26:07halderson killed his parents on july 1st
1:26:092021.
1:26:11he cut up their bodies with axes
1:26:14and saws and knives
1:26:17and he didn't even give them the dignity
1:26:18of having a funeral or even a final
1:26:20resting place in one piece or together
1:26:23their remains were scattered
1:26:26across dane county
1:26:28in public land
1:26:29on farms
1:26:31in garbage cans
1:26:34the rivers and perhaps every ditch
1:26:38is a possibility in this county
1:26:41you'll find the evidence in this case is
1:26:43overwhelming
1:26:45now over the next couple of weeks
1:26:47i'll make you a couple promises as your
1:26:49prosecutor in this case
1:26:51i'm not here to waste your time
1:26:53but of all the constitutional rights we
1:26:54talked about of chandler he has them and
1:26:56wants you to respect them
1:26:58there's another one that you should know
1:26:59which is this is the only time we get to
1:27:01have this trial you get one trial in the
1:27:03united states of america
1:27:05and i have to do it right
1:27:07so if that means calling a lot of
1:27:08witnesses i apologize in advance
1:27:11if it means calling experts to say
1:27:12things that maybe you already know
1:27:14i apologize in advance yeah but i'm
1:27:17going to do my job right
1:27:18as your prosecutor
1:27:21second you're going to see terrible
1:27:23photographs
1:27:24there were approximately 5 000
1:27:26photographs taken in this case
1:27:29you're going to see maybe
1:27:31total a couple hundred of actual body
1:27:34parts
1:27:35maybe a couple dozen
1:27:38we have scoured those photographs and
1:27:39tried to remove ones that are just
1:27:41horrible to see
1:27:42because of the conditions the bodies
1:27:44were in because of insects and maggots
1:27:46and things of that sort and instead are
1:27:48trying to only show you photographs that
1:27:50help you understand how the remains were
1:27:51hidden where they were hidden how they
1:27:54were dismembered to the extent possible
1:27:56we're using cleaner photographs that
1:27:58were taken by the dan county medical
1:27:59examiner
1:28:00i promise you
1:28:02i'm not trying to pull on anyone's
1:28:03heartstrings i'm not trying to make this
1:28:06overly emotional you might feel
1:28:08emotional i suspect many of you have
1:28:09never seen anything like what you're
1:28:10going to see in the next couple of weeks
1:28:12but i promise to do my best to limit
1:28:15the amount
1:28:17and lastly
1:28:19i promise to just ask questions a lot of
1:28:21questions
1:28:22because you're the jury in this case and
1:28:24you deserve to hear absolutely
1:28:26everything it will be a struggle you'll
1:28:29get sick of walking back and forth these
1:28:30jewelry rooms you might get sick of each
1:28:32other i hope not
1:28:36but it's an important task
1:28:39what happened here shouldn't
1:28:40happen but it did
1:28:43and so in a couple weeks when i stand up
1:28:45here and miss raymond stands up here
1:28:47i'm going to ask you to deliver a
1:28:49verdict of guilty
1:28:50to finally bring
1:28:52some much-needed truth
1:28:53to chandler holders
1:28:55thank you
1:28:56thank you attorney brown okay so i think
1:28:59that graves gives some great
1:29:02context before i watch the actual
1:29:06interrogation i think that's great and
1:29:08he did a really good job and holy crap
1:29:11how shocking is that right
1:29:14you gotta watch even your own kids i've
1:29:16talked about that previously you never
1:29:17know what these kids what they're up to
1:29:19psychopath
1:29:21uh i wanna play this quick clip that
1:29:24latoya sent which is another interview
1:29:26and then we're going to switch over to
1:29:28the interrogation i'm going to take like
1:29:30we'll take like a one or two minute
1:29:31break just you got to get up you want to
1:29:32go grab something real quick
1:29:34one or two minutes after i play this
1:29:36clip uh here let me see something um so
1:29:40first i'll just
1:29:41okay latoya shout out to latoya
1:29:44let's see let's see what this is this is
1:29:45july 8th
1:29:47but i'll just have you say and spell
1:29:48your first and last name for me
1:29:50okay whenever you're ready
1:29:53c h a hold on a second hold on a second
1:29:56let me i gotta record this i didn't even
1:29:58know they had this
1:30:00all right good job let me record this
1:30:01for the facebook
1:30:03um so first i'll just i'm gonna test
1:30:05your volume but i'll just have you say
1:30:06and spell your first and last name for
1:30:08me
1:30:09okay
1:30:10whenever you're ready
1:30:12c h a
1:30:14n d
1:30:15l e r
1:30:18h a l d e r
1:30:21s o n
1:30:24great and um you are burt and christa's
1:30:26son yes okay
1:30:28um
1:30:29and do you have any siblings yep i have
1:30:31an older brother holy brother okay so
1:30:33it's you guys and your parents um so
1:30:36just you know tell me
1:30:38what
1:30:39you're aware so far kind of leading up
1:30:41to
1:30:42you know what we talked about i guess
1:30:43like explain um you know you were
1:30:45talking to your parents about going on
1:30:46vacation and stuff
1:30:49they told me thursday they'd be going
1:30:51for
1:30:52the cabin for the weekend
1:30:55with their friends
1:30:57after that
1:30:59really we just packed up their stuff
1:31:01were going to do some minor repairs on
1:31:02the cabin
1:31:04and
1:31:05we got them tools
1:31:07just regular going to the cabin stuff i
1:31:09suppose and
1:31:10they went with their friends but i i
1:31:13didn't ask who their friends were so i'm
1:31:15still not really sure
1:31:16and you said that the ones that you
1:31:18talked to them about those friends you
1:31:20weren't exactly sure
1:31:22who they were
1:31:24well at the time i figured it was just
1:31:26the people i'm aware of currently
1:31:29uh just they're close friends
1:31:32so i didn't really bother asking another
1:31:34question
1:31:35uh like who they were exactly
1:31:38um other than that that was kind of it
1:31:40then they headed out friday in the
1:31:42morning um and you said that you you
1:31:45just weren't sure who they did go with
1:31:47yeah
1:31:48um
1:31:50you know what are you guys trying to do
1:31:52right now what what's the next step for
1:31:53you guys uh well we're doing
1:31:56right now we're just trying to get it
1:31:57out there so so i'm talking to the news
1:32:00we got facebook posts um
1:32:05really that's all we can do hopefully
1:32:06detectives will get back to us soon with
1:32:09new information um we had some go or
1:32:13some sheriffs at the cabin yesterday
1:32:16so that
1:32:18they didn't really give us much
1:32:19information though
1:32:21like no one was there but we were hoping
1:32:23someone was there at one point
1:32:26and everything so that's kind of what
1:32:28you're still trying to figure out it too
1:32:29is if if they made it to the case yeah
1:32:32well
1:32:33yeah apparently they did make it i got a
1:32:35text on sunday
1:32:37saying they did make it and that they
1:32:39were going to white lake for like a
1:32:40parade and stuff
1:32:42for the fourth
1:32:43but
1:32:45usually i think it's just more of a
1:32:47party there at white lake for fourth and
1:32:49memorial day is the parade
1:32:51but
1:32:52white lake is usually busy and pretty
1:32:54fun to go to
1:32:56um
1:32:58when did you start to think
1:33:00hey this isn't like them or they might
1:33:02be missing
1:33:03well i i was told they'd be home monday
1:33:06or tuesday and
1:33:08tuesday afternoon i got a little worried
1:33:11and then wednesday
1:33:13uh when my aunt went to the cabin
1:33:16they bro yeah he's like so calm he's
1:33:18probably planned this or thought this
1:33:20all out i mean this whole
1:33:23interview
1:33:25it's odd huh
1:33:28that's when they were i got worried and
1:33:30i went to make a report
1:33:33um and that was filed yesterday i assume
1:33:35yes
1:33:37um
1:33:39what i guess for your family
1:33:41where are you guys right now you know
1:33:42how are you kind of
1:33:44getting through what's happening right
1:33:45now how are you getting moving from day
1:33:47to day
1:33:48um
1:33:50the the neighbors got me pizza
1:33:53oh my god
1:33:55i i'm my brother should be going to the
1:33:58cabin today
1:33:59just to check it out
1:34:01we're just kind of
1:34:03keeping busy
1:34:04that'll
1:34:06yeah as long as we're busy we're not
1:34:08really going to overthink
1:34:10uh are you saying are you staying
1:34:12hopeful remaining hopeful that you're
1:34:14going to figure out what happened yeah
1:34:16oh yeah
1:34:17they they could just be
1:34:19on a boat somewhere having a few drinks
1:34:21or something
1:34:22no reception on boats so what a piece of
1:34:25[ __ ] yeah i was just going to ask if
1:34:27reception wasn't very good yeah i do
1:34:29it's not during high traffic like
1:34:32weekends
1:34:33jeweled
1:34:34oh my god
1:34:35i didn't realize i set myself up like
1:34:37the fourth you wouldn't really get too
1:34:39many texts through however
1:34:42today you would get it you could call
1:34:45even
1:34:47and what was the name of the county
1:34:48langlade lane lake county okay
1:34:51um
1:34:53and
1:34:54i guess you know it's
1:34:57it's just kind of strange because
1:34:59um like you said you're
1:35:01you believe that they did you said that
1:35:03your parents texted you that they made
1:35:04it to the cabin yeah um
1:35:06on the weekend or
1:35:08around the fourth of july on sunday
1:35:10sunday in the morning
1:35:12okay and then it was late like the text
1:35:15could have been sent a while ago and it
1:35:17just got to me on sunday
1:35:19okay yeah because of reception that
1:35:21would make sense okay um
1:35:23what is something that you want people
1:35:25to know like what can people do to to
1:35:27help find them or what is there
1:35:28something you want people to know in the
1:35:29community about your parents um
1:35:37i
1:35:37couldn't say anything specifically just
1:35:41maybe get the word out
1:35:43that hey maybe tell them to
1:35:46call their kids so we know they're all
1:35:48right or
1:35:50maybe send a text an email to their work
1:35:53and stuff that would that would be great
1:35:55um
1:35:58other than that
1:36:00i get the picture spread around
1:36:02um we have pictures
1:36:04up on facebook and
1:36:06i think even on the one news source that
1:36:08the sheriff's put on
1:36:12once those are spread out it should be
1:36:14easy to find them there's quite a few
1:36:15people of course
1:36:18um
1:36:18i asked this at the end of every
1:36:20interview but is there anything more you
1:36:21want to mention that i didn't ask you or
1:36:23we didn't talk about
1:36:26i can't think of anything
1:36:33sorry no no no worries i asked that in
1:36:35case then
1:36:37that was it
1:36:38all right i missed that recording that
1:36:39was a great clip uh because i didn't see
1:36:41that anywhere that's the at the bottom
1:36:43of this article so thank you latoya for
1:36:44sending that
1:36:46uh all right let's get so let me see
1:36:48here
1:36:49uh
1:36:51so we're going to watch the beginning
1:36:53part of this portion from law and crime
1:36:55and then the rest will continue off of
1:36:57here
1:37:00uh 1739
1:37:04so okay let's take one second i'm just
1:37:06i'm just going to grab a drink use the
1:37:07restroom real quick uh you guys go grab
1:37:10something if you want a snack or
1:37:11something
1:37:12i'll be right back i mean i can start
1:37:14playing it and go do it
1:37:16now let's take one or two minutes you
1:37:18guys go grab something i'll be right
1:37:19back okay
1:37:21i'll be back
1:37:25oh
1:37:28i'll be back
1:37:43i love you
1:37:45yeah mini break one minute
1:39:10okay
1:39:11i'm back
1:39:14i want to lose a bunch of people
1:39:26okay
1:39:30now you guys let me know when you're
1:39:31ready we'll give it like a couple
1:39:32seconds and then we'll start
1:39:35uh so yeah we're going to play a little
1:39:36portion of this and then
1:39:39i'm just going to continue off with this
1:39:40clip
1:39:41here's his in uh his interrogation
1:39:44this this was a really interesting trial
1:39:46for sure that i missed out on
1:39:51i heard that the fiance or the
1:39:53girlfriend's testimony was good
1:39:55i heard that this guy andrew smith the
1:39:58guy i used to game with was good i don't
1:40:00know what else what other parts but
1:40:05they'll be back
1:40:06you said two minutes and it was actually
1:40:0830 seconds
1:40:14you're here okay we're here all right
1:40:16all right i guess let's do it so we'll
1:40:18start
1:40:23all right
1:40:26oh wait what is that showing what did i
1:40:27do there oh i don't mean to do that
1:40:29thanks please have a seat everyone at
1:40:31the bottom
1:40:40i'll dim the lights we can resume the
1:40:41playback i will and for the written
1:40:43court record um i
1:40:45haven't moved the screen since we paused
1:40:46it but again uh the actual camera time
1:40:4917 37 33 is where we start again uh
1:40:52latoya if you're out there since you
1:40:54seem to be the link plug if you can send
1:40:56me the
1:40:57portion that has
1:40:59andrew in it maybe we can watch it after
1:41:01this is about an hour long we're already
1:41:02almost two hours in and we got discord
1:41:04night tonight so uh we'll see but yeah
1:41:06send me the android portion playback
1:41:07time 4158 words spoken by mr halderson
1:41:10where it's the fourth and i'll begin
1:41:12playing exhibit 119.
1:41:16good morning i'm a little worried about
1:41:18my family
1:41:20i think i called my mom
1:41:23oh throughout i've called i i don't know
1:41:25the times though
1:41:29throughout the weekend i mean but i
1:41:30called my ma i believe
1:41:33in the morning there's
1:41:35along those lines and i get a text from
1:41:37her
1:41:39there was a text message it wasn't even
1:41:41my message so
1:41:43i assumed
1:41:45she said white lake today
1:41:48so she sent it that day
1:41:52um
1:41:54i couldn't figure out where she was
1:41:56because it was a text there was no
1:41:58imessage so i kind of just like left it
1:42:00at that they're safe they're alive
1:42:04then
1:42:10kids to the afternoon
1:42:13i'm talking to
1:42:15dan
1:42:17i call him up and i ask him well what
1:42:20he's doing
1:42:23or maybe that was the warning but i
1:42:25called dan that sunday ask him what he
1:42:28what he's up to if he wanted to hang out
1:42:31because i i don't like being alone i
1:42:33thought i was very wrong
1:42:36dana's mom's co-worker slash friend yeah
1:42:40um
1:42:43go over there
1:42:45he invited me for fireworks
1:42:48in his
1:42:49his driveway
1:42:56um
1:42:56he said or you said yesterday he lived
1:42:58in deforester windsor
1:43:00yeah close okay i couldn't i could point
1:43:03it at about one or the other
1:43:09throughout the day
1:43:11um
1:43:12the dogs it's just me and the dogs the
1:43:14fireworks and the dogs are like
1:43:17running around and into things i'm
1:43:19trying to keep them
1:43:21okay all they're doing is knocking stuff
1:43:23over
1:43:25spilled their water they haven't eaten
1:43:28they won't go outside for me
1:43:30um even on a leash i couldn't get them
1:43:34out
1:43:36what was the deal with that sirens oh
1:43:38the fireworks were spooking them so much
1:43:40yeah
1:43:42i put them both into the
1:43:45the fort pranked the tv
1:43:49if you guys look up top you can see here
1:43:52this is like a mini
1:43:53cam thing i guess there's two detectives
1:43:55or something there
1:43:57it's like an overview and then there's
1:43:58like a close-up view
1:44:03did that seem to help at all with them
1:44:05thanks bridget yeah
1:44:07the
1:44:08loud tv helped
1:44:10rizzo doesn't like or maybe does like
1:44:12new girl
1:44:14the tv show so we watched that
1:44:17it's the theme song that gets her i
1:44:18think parts
1:44:21um
1:44:23so we watched that
1:44:26um izzy fell asleep so
1:44:30is he's
1:44:31the old dog the older one
1:44:35sunday evening cat comes by
1:44:38and help me with the girls
1:44:41she wasn't there during the day no no it
1:44:43was just me and the dogs she left
1:44:46sunday morning okay from the
1:44:50no
1:44:51no she left
1:44:55saturday morning because i spent
1:44:57saturday night i see that and then
1:45:00sunday
1:45:01it was just me and the girls till
1:45:06whenever cat got there
1:45:09we didn't eat
1:45:10together i don't think
1:45:15no this is sunday this is sunday so i
1:45:17went
1:45:19to cat's house
1:45:21on sunday i actually
1:45:23yeah so that was sunday morning is when
1:45:26i left the girls
1:45:27so all of sunday morning i had the girls
1:45:30in the fort we watched new girl
1:45:32i went to cat's house sunday
1:45:35to eat but we ended up not eating there
1:45:38we went to
1:45:41cress's
1:45:42house it's
1:45:45cottage grove
1:45:47or
1:45:48cascade no
1:45:50cedar bird
1:45:51it's a sea town
1:45:54area
1:45:55okay
1:45:56so where is it here
1:45:59i've never
1:46:00crashed the press
1:46:02chris
1:46:03right so crassus
1:46:04on my phone
1:46:06yeah yeah i saw the calls
1:46:08that's your
1:46:10thing
1:46:14mom's girlfriend i think somebody did
1:46:16explain that right mom has a girlfriend
1:46:18mom's girlfriend
1:46:20i try to talk to her as much because
1:46:21she's like
1:46:22i don't know wise and she really
1:46:25helps me with what's going on with me
1:46:28been in a slump i'd say okay bud yeah
1:46:32all right let's go into cats all sunday
1:46:34to eat what time do you think you went
1:46:36over there
1:46:40food at 3 30. so like i said so about
1:46:43three three three three thirty you went
1:46:46over to cats oh i was at cats well
1:46:48before
1:46:49i was at the noon
1:46:51let's say
1:46:52noon where does cat live
1:46:54the east side east side of madison uh
1:46:58yeah
1:46:59uh you know
1:47:01i'm sure i could look it up but you know
1:47:02the road at all or anything
1:47:05taffler
1:47:06or andrew
1:47:13met her sunday about noon
1:47:16um
1:47:17what'd you guys do at her place well
1:47:21she realized my legs i won't be able to
1:47:23do stuff with them so her her brother
1:47:26and her brother's date went to a thrift
1:47:30store while she
1:47:32yeah cheeky says his girlf his
1:47:34girlfriend's mother is dating a woman
1:47:38and i think you mentioned that too right
1:47:39in the call or somebody mentioned that
1:47:40yeah let me sleep
1:47:42just
1:47:44she just put me to bed and
1:47:47they went
1:47:48and they get home around 2 30.
1:47:52cat and i rush back to my house let the
1:47:55girls out and we go back straight to the
1:47:58farm
1:48:00okay were you at the farm before you
1:48:01went to let the dogs out her no cats
1:48:05like it's like a dude so cat's cat's
1:48:07house
1:48:08sunday around noon
1:48:10um you went to sleep with welsh cat her
1:48:14sister
1:48:16her brother cat's brother and his date
1:48:19and his date okay sorry about that
1:48:22once with a thrift store
1:48:24then then we went to crassus
1:48:27and we ate
1:48:29um
1:48:30that says they're engaged
1:48:32that james left after dinner leaving his
1:48:35date with us and we took a swim
1:48:38after the swim we
1:48:40we left
1:48:43went to cat's house to drop off his date
1:48:47the date stayed at cat's house
1:48:53i think the date like it was the roads
1:48:56maybe isn't what her name was
1:49:00uh have you ever met her before no this
1:49:02was a tinder match from her brother
1:49:05cat's brother
1:49:09okay um
1:49:15what time do you suppose you guys went
1:49:17to crosstalk so we got the cats around
1:49:19noon
1:49:23went to my house
1:49:25to let the dogs out then we left
1:49:28oh i think we got gas
1:49:32and then we went to presses so i'd say
1:49:35we got to
1:49:37it was maybe four when we got there
1:49:40we were late for dinner
1:49:42but it was good because they were still
1:49:44setting up
1:49:47where'd you guys get gas after you
1:49:48remember that one of the quick
1:49:50[Music]
1:49:55i'm trips um
1:49:59what do you say in town are we talking
1:50:01to
1:50:09we got foreign i'm still not
1:50:11super sure but i know we
1:50:14were doing something on the way or we
1:50:16didn't do something
1:50:17i thought we were gonna do a return
1:50:19but
1:50:20i'm jumbling it right now so just have
1:50:23that we went to my house and back to
1:50:25questions we were late okay
1:50:30what were you guys driving
1:50:32were you in your cat's red subaru
1:50:35okay was she driving are you she she was
1:50:39that cat's her car
1:50:42red super reason yeah she it's at my
1:50:45house right now oh okay
1:50:48and you rode with her
1:50:50yes so vic uh thank you for putting this
1:50:54in the chat so chaz you know which is
1:50:56short for
1:50:57chandler
1:50:58and his mom his girlfriend is cat so
1:51:01this chandler his girlfriend's cat
1:51:04his girlfriend's mom
1:51:06dulce and then the girlfriend's mom's
1:51:08fiance is cress
1:51:10when you hear those names popping up
1:51:13thanks b.o
1:51:17um where'd you guys go for a swim
1:51:20there's like a little pool up at the
1:51:23crest's house oh [ __ ] she's been helping
1:51:25me
1:51:26by walking and everything and they get
1:51:28me there
1:51:30okay
1:51:31it's an indoor outdoor outdoor
1:51:36yeah they got something fancy to heat it
1:51:38from the sun okay
1:51:41but that was three of us yeah
1:51:45then we went
1:51:47back to
1:51:49round six no later
1:51:51maybe seven
1:51:53we went back to cat's apartment dropped
1:51:56off roads
1:51:57[Music]
1:51:58got cats
1:52:00dirty or wet clothes she had wet clothes
1:52:05because she was going to dry them
1:52:07and we went
1:52:09to my house together
1:52:11so rose got dropped off at cats yeah the
1:52:14dude duplex in
1:52:16the east side okay
1:52:19james what's you guys at that point here
1:52:22no james left after dinner
1:52:25around 4 30.
1:52:26okay um
1:52:36did was it not getting along with rose
1:52:38or no yeah it worked oh okay
1:52:42um that sucks
1:52:46working on the fourth of july
1:52:48um
1:52:49something
1:52:52this you drop
1:52:53did rose get dropped off at cat's duplex
1:52:55yes
1:52:57we'll refer to cat's house as a duplex
1:52:59yep cress
1:53:01press is the farm yellow pro
1:53:04berries yup my house is my house that's
1:53:07how i referred yeah
1:53:09um
1:53:14where are we sunday night about seven
1:53:18roads dropped off we get to my house
1:53:22and we go to my house in the forest
1:53:27we feed the girls
1:53:29we put her clothes that she brought the
1:53:31wet stuff in the dryer
1:53:341749 give me once i just want to switch
1:53:37the
1:53:48i just i don't want to play around with
1:53:49networks that screw with youtubers and
1:53:51stuff so let me just switch it over real
1:53:53quick
1:53:55we feed the girls
1:53:58we put her clothes that she brought the
1:54:00wet stuff in the dryer
1:54:02because that's what she needed to do
1:54:06look at her clothes dry
1:54:08uh it's after we get back actually
1:54:11um
1:54:14and then we go to dance
1:54:15okay
1:54:16um for the fireworks that he asked us to
1:54:19come by 8 30.
1:54:22um
1:54:23for some reason not i was trying to
1:54:25leave but
1:54:27i was making
1:54:28a joke about it that we were going to be
1:54:31late like stuff like that
1:54:34i drove to dance okay which car were you
1:54:37guys my dad's
1:54:39also blue the one in the garage
1:54:42yeah
1:54:44gotcha
1:54:46when we get there we stay for 45 to an
1:54:51hour
1:54:53that's how i got the bottle rocket marks
1:54:55show me those ones
1:54:57that
1:54:59oh
1:54:59this sparks
1:55:01was a blood or something that flew back
1:55:04shot back out of it
1:55:06yeah that one's stuck in for a little
1:55:08bit that's why it's so bad but these are
1:55:10sparks okay those are a dance house you
1:55:12got those yeah
1:55:16i i didn't know the stick
1:55:19you don't hold the stick this thing
1:55:21flies with it
1:55:22i didn't
1:55:24know um
1:55:32you're over at dan's house about 45
1:55:34minutes to an hour yeah get my hands a
1:55:36little bit
1:55:37oh we find a firework that it spins and
1:55:41takes off and it
1:55:43went straight to the bush
1:55:46so we were like no more of that
1:55:48we're done
1:55:49um
1:55:54did it light the bush on fire
1:55:56no no thankfully it wasn't hot enough
1:55:58for that good
1:56:00after that we cleaned
1:56:02i gave him a bottle of wine as a thank
1:56:04you for letting us
1:56:06come
1:56:09all right
1:56:10thankfully i still have a couple
1:56:13bottles at home
1:56:18um
1:56:19while we're there dan had a few beers
1:56:22his girlfriend was there for fiance or
1:56:26wife i'm not sure their relationship but
1:56:30she was there
1:56:32no name
1:56:34never got her name
1:56:36just dance girlfriend she's got purple
1:56:38hair she's i.t at
1:56:40match the school's own i.t
1:56:44okay
1:56:45anybody else there
1:56:47just the two of us and then the
1:56:48neighbors watched
1:56:50one to our left and one across the
1:56:52street
1:56:53one group
1:56:56um the one across the street had some
1:56:58cooler stuff than
1:57:00i've ever seen a person be alone or
1:57:02firework-wise
1:57:07um
1:57:08but
1:57:09there we are and then
1:57:11then someone in the distance kind of
1:57:13closer to our house launched a mortar
1:57:17artillery firework
1:57:20and then i was like okay we have to go
1:57:22home for the darks so we went
1:57:25and that was
1:57:27pushing
1:57:309 30 9 45
1:57:32we got home
1:57:35we
1:57:37got into the couch for it
1:57:43hey look at this guy yeah
1:57:46and
1:57:47put on daybreak was the apocalypse show
1:57:51um
1:57:54put on that because we're trying to
1:57:55finish it on netflix yes
1:57:59um this is cat and i still yeah spending
1:58:01the night
1:58:03um the whole time dogs are
1:58:05pushing me nosing me and everything
1:58:08and so we kind of stop and
1:58:11stop watching and she goes to bed
1:58:13um
1:58:16i'm trying to let the dogs out or at
1:58:17least go back in a little bit but the
1:58:20fireworks they she that they couldn't
1:58:24um
1:58:26when we get to bed upstairs in my room
1:58:30because she doesn't like the couch
1:58:32and she would work in the morning yeah
1:58:36and
1:58:37i'd see that's 10 ish
1:58:3910 00 10 30
1:58:41and the whole time the younger dog keeps
1:58:44jumping on us
1:58:46um
1:58:46so i leave cat in the bed and i go sit
1:58:50out out down in the
1:58:52uh
1:58:53the couches and chairs down by the real
1:58:55dinner table
1:58:57i go sit there and just hang out with
1:58:59the dogs okay get asleep
1:59:01where we first started talking last
1:59:03night yes like the main kitchen dining
1:59:05room and the coaches okay i sit down
1:59:07there so can get some sleep because i
1:59:08don't work tomorrow she does
1:59:11um then i put the ladder in front of
1:59:14those steps so the girls can't come up
1:59:18i
1:59:19uh they pee on the kitchen
1:59:22the tile so i clean that and like well
1:59:25at least they went before bed you know
1:59:28it wasn't the worst thing they're not
1:59:29going to go outside
1:59:30yeah
1:59:32then i go to bed
1:59:36then it's monday morning
1:59:38cat goes to work
1:59:417 50
1:59:42ish it's just oh [ __ ] i mean
1:59:48it's just incredible these people i saw
1:59:50somebody in the chat saying that like he
1:59:52believes that these people believe
1:59:54he's telling the truth
1:59:56it just takes me back through so many
1:59:58flashbacks it's so to me it's so odd and
2:00:01weird to see people like this concocting
2:00:03life relying going into all these
2:00:05details and hours and spending all this
2:00:07time why
2:00:09just want to shake them like grab them
2:00:11what's wrong with you
2:00:13is that a mental illness yo
2:00:16is there some sort of classification for
2:00:18people like this some sort of mental
2:00:19everything's like mental illness now is
2:00:21there a mental illness for this
2:00:25uh the yeah
2:00:27it's just like
2:00:28maybe earlier
2:00:31but i'm not to myself so
2:00:34we put on new girl in the couch for on
2:00:37monday morning
2:00:41i go back and forth through some video
2:00:43games
2:00:44and then back oh [ __ ]
2:00:46video games
2:00:55back and then
2:00:59throw at you man
2:01:01yo
2:01:02those don't like to stand up very good
2:01:04i'm sorry i'm trying to stretch a little
2:01:06bit while i'm
2:01:07all right um
2:01:10girl video games this is monday
2:01:16um we're getting later i have a little
2:01:18bit teeth for lunch
2:01:25well at the end of the day on monday
2:01:29i did go
2:01:32for the afternoon
2:01:34i did go to the farm to talk to chris
2:01:37and cat's mom
2:01:40i told them what's happening with my
2:01:41health because i had the appointment at
2:01:43two
2:01:45did you go to the farm before or after
2:01:48i told them what happened to me and i
2:01:50told them
2:01:51the legs are probably going to be
2:01:53permanent
2:01:54and the headaches should be fixed after
2:01:57that hammer just cleared a little bit i
2:02:00can't people like this
2:02:02you just gotta cut them out
2:02:03now that i'm there
2:02:06sick of this [ __ ]
2:02:09i talked to their mom
2:02:10um
2:02:14and crest together
2:02:16and
2:02:18i think kent's mom is
2:02:21all right with me
2:02:23she's
2:02:26i don't know if she wants me to move
2:02:28into her
2:02:29the east side
2:02:31cat's house okay instead of paying rent
2:02:33as an apartment because she doesn't like
2:02:35that i live at home does cat live with
2:02:37their mom or
2:02:38that has an apartment okay some way
2:02:42cat does yeah it's on
2:02:45it's by midfield don't have the party
2:02:47avenue it's by there um
2:02:54okay
2:02:56so
2:02:57i'm there talking to their mom and chris
2:03:01i um
2:03:03then i go up
2:03:05the half
2:03:07you know break down by their shed and
2:03:10they go
2:03:11swimming
2:03:13um
2:03:14right by this swimming pool is shed so
2:03:17they wanted to watch me like
2:03:20you know
2:03:23break down and all that so after i
2:03:26noticed they're just watching i
2:03:28just
2:03:29walk over to him
2:03:33describe your breakdown to me
2:03:35uh
2:03:36i actually cried
2:03:38oh yeah
2:03:40he cried started kicking grass
2:03:43just doing the toddler tantrum [ __ ]
2:03:46um then i
2:03:49hopped in the water with them okay so it
2:03:51was
2:03:52too late i was in the water and i
2:03:55realized crest didn't have a top
2:03:57and that was uncomfortable
2:04:00but i talked to them more and that's
2:04:01when she brought up the housing
2:04:02situation how she doesn't like
2:04:05how my parents like
2:04:08are
2:04:09i guess i don't know she doesn't
2:04:11she doesn't know them that well she's
2:04:13never met them okay chris was saying
2:04:15that and cat's mom okay
2:04:18so
2:04:20speaks
2:04:20his
2:04:22first thought right away
2:04:24so she's
2:04:26they're offering me dude get a job
2:04:30live with them
2:04:33work for them while i'm working
2:04:36and pay rent and that's kind of their
2:04:38their deal i would have like a month for
2:04:40your rent or a month or two maybe if
2:04:43they're thinking um
2:04:46i could be able to borrow a car
2:04:48from press maybe if she's nice they're
2:04:51not using it i'd be able to go to work
2:04:54and she have a lot of cars or something
2:04:57no no okay there's an extra one probably
2:05:00she stays at the farm okay so if she
2:05:03didn't need it i could use it
2:05:06to go
2:05:07to a job or at least interviews
2:05:10yeah
2:05:12i was hoping for a job
2:05:14you know near where i live so i could
2:05:16like
2:05:17keep me you know yeah he's going i don't
2:05:20wanna i don't think they can get worse
2:05:21but i i can keep doing it you know
2:05:25um
2:05:30where are we someday so you were
2:05:32swimming um having a little breakdown
2:05:34what were you having a breakdown about
2:05:38you ever have
2:05:40your legs
2:05:42just
2:05:45i don't even know if they're talking
2:05:47like as bad as they they can be yet so
2:05:50yeah so
2:05:51that's not fun and i think you were
2:05:53telling me last night it was it's a
2:05:55symptom of a concussion right so
2:05:57that's not it that's a it's a symptom of
2:05:59nerve damage from the hip spine
2:06:02permanent okay i understand that notes
2:06:05later yeah
2:06:07um so it's just legs i think it's
2:06:10a waste feeling is
2:06:12probably colostomy bag down the road and
2:06:15all of that but
2:06:16here we are sunday yeah
2:06:21okay we're sitting in the pool we're
2:06:23hanging out
2:06:27um
2:06:29they're just talking to me
2:06:32sometimes they're being nice sometimes
2:06:34they're like making the offer like hey
2:06:35if you move in you can pay a run this is
2:06:37a good neighborhood
2:06:39um it's cul-de-sac there's parking
2:06:45so
2:06:47yeah on the east side just off of
2:06:49milwaukee street that's
2:06:51andrew andrew you take the left turn
2:06:53onto andrew down milwaukee you
2:06:56go so that's it
2:07:00um so it's a good neighborhood
2:07:02kind of like the one by my parents
2:07:06i if i live there i at least be on
2:07:09doing my own thing
2:07:12and then they're like well
2:07:14appreciate you stopping by so i i i head
2:07:17out
2:07:18and i go
2:07:20that was monday afternoon i go to dinner
2:07:22at
2:07:24cat's house on the east side okay
2:07:28what time do you think that was
2:07:32it had to be 7 30 i left the farm
2:07:35which is presses 7 30 p.m
2:07:52brothers who tells a story like this as
2:07:55a guy yo my stories are like abc i got
2:07:58up i went here i went home and went back
2:08:00boom that's it
2:08:01what the heck
2:08:04she's
2:08:07she's planning on feeding me
2:08:10uh this is monday correct yeah
2:08:13that's actually the farm swimming press
2:08:20i think we just eat
2:08:22and cuddle a little bit
2:08:24okay
2:08:25i go home
2:08:28there's the girls um let them out
2:08:31and go to bed
2:08:33don't be mean kind of a day yeah what
2:08:36time do you think you left her place 69.
2:08:41[Music]
2:08:42he left about nine okay
2:08:44um
2:08:46[Music]
2:08:47she didn't come with you
2:08:49no i was alone that night okay
2:08:52um
2:08:55i want to drag her away
2:08:57all right i think she stayed at her
2:08:59apartment or her house that night not
2:09:01apartment
2:09:02okay so
2:09:04there we are
2:09:08tuesday tuesday morning
2:09:11that was just
2:09:15someone's feeding right
2:09:19i can't remember tuesday um
2:09:22oh
2:09:24dan wakes me up i believe with something
2:09:27or not wakes me up i i did the six again
2:09:29with the dogs and the food but i got
2:09:31back in bed i don't know if i passed out
2:09:33or zoned out a little bit but
2:09:38um
2:09:39dan is worried about my mom on tuesday i
2:09:42think
2:09:56oh it's tuesday morning they should be
2:09:57here
2:09:59um a little worried i think i called my
2:10:02mom that day
2:10:07all right and then
2:10:10hey joshua
2:10:20yeah so
2:10:21it's off out of range
2:10:24i don't know the other factors that
2:10:26could give you that it's like a
2:10:27voicemail right away it goes right to
2:10:29voicemail right yeah okay so whatever
2:10:31factors can give you that
2:10:33so i might have missed it so from the
2:10:35time like they left
2:10:37did you talk to them at all when they
2:10:39were i got it
2:10:46that was it
2:10:47nothing else yeah so that's
2:10:49that's fishy to me even the text because
2:10:51i realized memorial day is when the
2:10:54white lake parade
2:10:55well sure
2:10:57there's no fourth of july maybe there's
2:10:59cheap drinks but there's no parade
2:11:01quite like
2:11:03on the fourth
2:11:04so
2:11:06well maybe there is now
2:11:09i realize i hope i've always gone on a
2:11:11memorial
2:11:12because that's when that's the work and
2:11:14i get
2:11:16timed off from school and all that you
2:11:18don't get time off for the fourth so
2:11:20basically from the time that they're
2:11:22gone
2:11:23at the cabin in your home you know
2:11:25running around doing what you're doing
2:11:27you just have one communication with mom
2:11:30yeah that's kind of how it would be i
2:11:32just assumed the amount of people
2:11:35where they're at and where they're
2:11:47[Music]
2:11:49while he's up there he loves it oh do
2:11:52that
2:11:53you know
2:11:54does he keep his phone on him when he's
2:11:55up there
2:11:57it's usually in the car oh okay
2:12:00um
2:12:01my brother and i just text all the time
2:12:03while we're up there
2:12:05we set up
2:12:06wire and kind of sometimes to make make
2:12:08better connections sure
2:12:11um so here we are
2:12:13where tuesday um called mom voicemail
2:12:17immediately voicemail immediately
2:12:19tuesday
2:12:21where dan dan called worried about mom
2:12:24not coming to work
2:12:26uh you had already fed the dogs and that
2:12:27before dan called you or reached out to
2:12:44oh
2:12:51[Music]
2:12:56i got a coffee and a quick trip one day
2:13:00well i think that could have been
2:13:01tuesday morning
2:13:03okay
2:13:04a quick trip i got a coffee
2:13:06and i
2:13:08um i used my dad's number at a quick
2:13:10trip
2:13:11to give me the free one is it water is
2:13:13it gold
2:13:15i could have i could have afforded it
2:13:16but you know there's a free one
2:13:18it's tuesday or it wasn't monday i could
2:13:21have gotten a dollar one but
2:13:23it's full price i believe and i grabbed
2:13:25the
2:13:26coffee because it was a free one he
2:13:27hasn't used it for weeks so
2:13:29i'll grab that
2:13:32i couldn't tell you which one i was just
2:13:33driving at that point
2:13:35um
2:13:37when you get one user it's rewards card
2:13:39is what they call it right yeah and the
2:13:40center is phone number
2:13:42you typed it
2:13:44okay
2:13:45um
2:13:46[Music]
2:13:48but i got coffee had to be i'm assuming
2:13:51tuesday
2:13:53and i got a free one
2:13:55amazing
2:13:56sweet it's it was terrible yeah oh it
2:13:59wasn't hey yeah detective's like sweet
2:14:01like what are you all these little my
2:14:04new details for what
2:14:06oh [ __ ]
2:14:08i wanted to try group of gold yeah
2:14:10that wasn't bad
2:14:12um they weren't tuesday
2:14:15uh cats working up
2:14:17my
2:14:18gaming job fun
2:14:20and then i um
2:14:22then i started trying to
2:14:24get the the glass
2:14:26because i've
2:14:28been a little
2:14:29lazy on the glass i just kind of had
2:14:31chairs in front of it i just broom and
2:14:36you know a little sweeper holder you
2:14:38know you broom it into that dustpan yeah
2:14:42um
2:14:44tossing the glass
2:14:45into recycling
2:14:50um
2:14:52i get most of it there's there's a bunch
2:14:53in the cracks of the stone
2:14:56that are taken out by hand are you
2:14:58serious though i didn't injure myself
2:15:00from that but
2:15:02um
2:15:03just
2:15:14my blood was
2:15:16kind of on the floor so i got the
2:15:18swiffer i borrowed from cat
2:15:20from the the foot
2:15:23i've already swiftered the mop
2:15:25i swiffered the the floor floor like not
2:15:28the stone but the floor
2:15:31and then i got a little bit in the
2:15:32kitchen
2:15:34and then everywhere kind of i walked
2:15:35pretty much the the bathroom the kitchen
2:15:39and then
2:15:40i i couldn't get the carpet so i still
2:15:42stained that up you know crabby
2:15:45where was their carpet at the stairs
2:15:47between basement and kitchen carpet oh
2:15:49yeah that's right carpet stays
2:15:52um
2:15:53i tried i can't get it out
2:15:57i don't know how to do that but
2:16:00um then all the way up to my
2:16:03the laundry room where i found my first
2:16:05aid kit
2:16:06i just tried to stop all the bleeding
2:16:08but i you know it wouldn't stop
2:16:10so
2:16:13that blood was all coming from your left
2:16:15foot yeah left foot hole
2:16:19that foot hole
2:16:20yeah
2:16:22i mean we're talking are we talking
2:16:23massive amounts of blood are we talking
2:16:26you know a little bit like described
2:16:29he's starting his traps
2:16:31until i got to the bathroom
2:16:34and then i got back to go grab my sock
2:16:37and some of the
2:16:39paper towel
2:16:40and then i see the glasses in there so i
2:16:42grab a tweezer and pull it out and then
2:16:44it starts
2:16:45squirting out like i got some
2:16:48on a little bit of the rock it wasn't
2:16:50that bad of the rock but
2:16:53it um
2:16:55i think the worst was the
2:16:57that floor
2:16:58that
2:16:59like it kind of like
2:17:01you know like this lid puddles
2:17:05wasn't good without the floor down in
2:17:07the basement
2:17:08well
2:17:09that one
2:17:10um
2:17:12and then i go upstairs
2:17:14to the kitchen
2:17:16and it's still going i'm trying to get
2:17:18my foot in the sink just to slow it down
2:17:21and pinch it maybe
2:17:26and then i waddle upstairs
2:17:28to
2:17:29the
2:17:31the the eye factor the
2:17:34the first day of the day
2:17:36and
2:17:38um once i got it kind of
2:17:40bundled up
2:17:41that's stopped for
2:17:43what i know
2:17:46then i go
2:17:48i need to get some tape
2:17:51um we have a tape box in the basement i
2:17:53go there and i i opened it up again
2:17:57and i bled a little bit more but the
2:17:59basement was easy to clean that's just
2:18:01cement
2:18:02just a little bit of water and i would
2:18:04rag that up
2:18:05but then i grabbed the tape box and i
2:18:07wrapped it
2:18:09um after
2:18:11that that was that's tuesday
2:18:13yep
2:18:15a lot of different
2:18:21wings i go to cats
2:18:23oh okay we had lanes what time
2:18:26um
2:18:27that could have been
2:18:29i've been doing the
2:18:31bs first aid and all that i got a cat's
2:18:33house with her mom and his mother
2:18:36that could have been
2:18:39five or six
2:18:41that's what i was thinking peter could
2:18:42be exactly like he's describing did you
2:18:44guys pick up the wings and go there
2:18:47no i
2:18:49i drove to cats
2:18:51of straight there
2:18:53um would you drive the subaru all right
2:18:56car choice i just
2:18:59um the with the volvo's seat
2:19:02like
2:19:03just you know i can't do it with my foot
2:19:06okay um
2:19:12so we're talking about wings
2:19:15do you guys go wake up wings or yeah so
2:19:17we get there
2:19:18and we're calling around seeing what's
2:19:21up james is getting home with jimmy
2:19:23john's
2:19:27um
2:19:29and we're like oh you don't eat all of
2:19:31it he's like i'm hungry now do all that
2:19:33post gym crap
2:19:37sweet crabs eats half of a sandwich and
2:19:39then we go cat night the two of us in my
2:19:42car we go to
2:19:45buffalo wildlings
2:19:49do you remember which one
2:19:51i couldn't tell you okay i don't
2:19:54um
2:19:59it had to be east right that's close to
2:20:01yeah it's by a mall you got all these
2:20:03dudes
2:20:04let's buy them all
2:20:05they use them all
2:20:07um
2:20:09we go in and get the wings we go out
2:20:12[Music]
2:20:15we go to cats we eat
2:20:19um we watch this movie pretty in pink or
2:20:22something it's about a girl
2:20:24that likes
2:20:26fashion and goes to harvard
2:20:29what's up is that on netflix or it's
2:20:31normal tv
2:20:34they have like everything there i didn't
2:20:38i don't know
2:20:40all right so you get the wings that cats
2:20:41what's pretty in pink
2:20:44yes well it was a pops choice but um
2:20:48all the four of us had we all ate
2:20:50okay and then
2:20:52went upstairs laid down in our bed for a
2:20:55few minutes
2:20:59just letting the food settle or yeah you
2:21:01know
2:21:02i
2:21:03noticed she's kind of
2:21:06fallen asleep
2:21:08so i'm like okay i'm ready to get out of
2:21:10here
2:21:11and i go home
2:21:14get the girls all ready for bed going
2:21:16outside
2:21:18get them watered
2:21:23what time do you think you made it home
2:21:27say nine
2:21:29like the latest
2:21:30um
2:21:34two girls
2:21:37water well not really food they could
2:21:38ate before but water
2:21:41and play like indoor play time and
2:21:44bathroom
2:21:47so
2:21:49if you guys go to
2:21:51so you were home alone then
2:21:53been homeless all weekend really except
2:21:55when cat comes yeah yeah okay didn't
2:21:58come that night
2:22:00now we're we're pushing wednesday aren't
2:22:03we um
2:22:08what time do you think you went to bed
2:22:10on tuesday
2:22:12um i was pretty dang close tonight at
2:22:15home 10 at the latest
2:22:20kind of been tired lately sure um
2:22:26morning on
2:22:28sunday
2:22:29i know wait where are we wednesday
2:22:31wednesday okay so wednesday
2:22:34um i
2:22:36try to go to the farm i keep spamming
2:22:39cress expand the crest
2:22:42i kind of need someone to talk to
2:22:43because freaking out about my parents
2:22:46um jane's calling me
2:22:48i give her the address to go to the farm
2:22:50there and said that to the cabin
2:22:53jane
2:22:54jane helgendorf
2:23:00um
2:23:01never picked up from chris
2:23:03so i go home
2:23:07um did you drive over to the farm or ah
2:23:11yeah yeah yeah because she wasn't
2:23:13answering her phone right so i got close
2:23:16but then i realized i can't just show up
2:23:18they'd shoot me
2:23:20i don't know what i drive
2:23:23what i look like with a hat on they got
2:23:25guns over there
2:23:27would they actually shoot you
2:23:29no i'm insane
2:23:31her dad lives there he's he's 90.
2:23:34he he got a buck when he was 95 or
2:23:38something so i i know if he didn't know
2:23:40who i was he could have yeah
2:23:43so he's he's a whole
2:23:47but he can use a gun that's why i
2:23:50wouldn't do that yeah
2:23:52so the crest's dad lives there too yeah
2:23:55whose foot is a crescent farmer
2:23:58he built it oh okay and then she lives
2:24:00there she's managing the property
2:24:02because he's in a chair yeah he's old
2:24:06um
2:24:08so then it's it's not really a farm it's
2:24:10a
2:24:11farm hobby farm yeah
2:24:17that's pretty much it and their own
2:24:19berries but it's um
2:24:22then here we are
2:24:24i turn around and then
2:24:26jane calls
2:24:28i get a picture of the property at the
2:24:31cabin
2:24:34and i see that
2:24:36so i'm looking at the cabin
2:24:40then it doesn't look right there's a
2:24:42birch tree
2:24:44in in front
2:24:46and i i didn't like the look of it
2:24:47because that didn't
2:24:49that didn't just sit right with me a
2:24:51little bit but i it looked like tracks
2:24:53were pushed down into the grass a little
2:24:55bit right i don't know
2:24:57in the picture
2:24:59and mike said there was like light
2:25:01tracks like someone was there
2:25:04where was the birch tree at it looked
2:25:06like it was in the middle of the drive
2:25:08and sometimes we do do that we
2:25:11spindle fall on log and we put it
2:25:14like a you know a double door entrance
2:25:17so you go in from the gate
2:25:19you park you move the next
2:25:21and then you drive yeah sure so that's
2:25:25like the only security we can get up
2:25:26there
2:25:28um some we have done that before
2:25:32the grass is overgrown but that's from
2:25:34the storm and the fallen trees you can't
2:25:36mold there because the flowers
2:25:42it's so bad
2:25:44so with the birch tree i mean if you
2:25:46guys typically put stuff down like
2:25:48security why did it look weird to you
2:25:51this time
2:25:53i've never seen that log we have we have
2:25:55this log that's close to the shed
2:25:58it's
2:26:00i would say closer to petrified than
2:26:02rotten it's hard like really hard
2:26:07yeah i don't know what kind of tree but
2:26:09that's what my dad and i use when we go
2:26:12so we typically use the same tree this
2:26:14one just seemed out of place too yeah
2:26:16that's not the tree we
2:26:18used um
2:26:26wednesday morning uh jane sends you a
2:26:28picture of the cabin you see the burke
2:26:30street and what all right then i go to
2:26:33the police station
2:26:34because i ask her when should i make a
2:26:37thing a point period
2:26:43i'm sorry
2:26:45[Music]
2:26:48what wednesday morning you said you went
2:26:50to the police department yeah to make uh
2:26:55i'll
2:26:56talk to him about my parents
2:26:58and um then i met with three sheriffs
2:27:03okay
2:27:04three is a three
2:27:06there was a
2:27:08seeley
2:27:09he's a bearded the guy that drove me
2:27:11here i'm not sure the name
2:27:14and then collins uh
2:27:19she was also doing
2:27:22canvassing
2:27:25it's canvassing
2:27:28so here we are throws three
2:27:30i get the questions answered
2:27:34then
2:27:34[Music]
2:27:37oh then we go to my house
2:27:39and then there's three more the same
2:27:41three shares
2:27:44uh so they talk to you at the police
2:27:46station or wherever you get yeah it gets
2:27:48information and stuff and then you came
2:27:50to your house yeah yeah
2:27:52okay
2:27:53and that's probably about then i came a
2:27:55couple hours later they were there
2:27:57questioning you're here now questioning
2:28:00and then
2:28:02that night date
2:28:04night or me on wednesday wednesday night
2:28:07i um go to dan and mary's
2:28:10wednesday night wednesday night what
2:28:12time do you think they feed me um i had
2:28:15probably seven seven thirty
2:28:18and he said he wanted
2:28:20to marry
2:28:21or mary sesto and dan
2:28:24something a [ __ ]
2:28:27so mary cesco's host mary says this
2:28:30house
2:28:30it's
2:28:31it's um on the same road as yours yeah
2:28:34okay just up
2:28:36around the corner
2:28:38for dinner you went there yeah well they
2:28:40just fed me they didn't eat okay they
2:28:42just wanted to brainstorm
2:28:46any good ideas come out of it
2:28:49no okay so you said you only could think
2:28:52of dan and dansman here yeah
2:28:55so you said you went to the the police
2:28:57department to
2:28:58talk about your parents what just tell
2:29:00me what exactly did you talk about
2:29:03your parents with the deputies about oh
2:29:05we're making a report
2:29:07a report that i thought i had to do that
2:29:09at a at station okay
2:29:13and you were reporting
2:29:14like what were you recording exactly
2:29:16just i just want to write down and yeah
2:29:18have it on there uh
2:29:20they're missing this okay
2:29:24gotcha
2:29:27and
2:29:28as far as as far as you know
2:29:31um
2:29:34i mean were you able to tell we've gone
2:29:36into a lot of detail last night and
2:29:37tonight right
2:29:38yeah do you think that you gave them
2:29:42as much information as you've given me
2:29:44or do you think that would you ask way
2:29:46more questions you even asked about my
2:29:48injuries yeah the bleeding and the
2:29:50fireplace yeah
2:29:52um the sheriffs
2:29:54kind of gave what they need to make
2:29:56reports and you've just asked about
2:29:58like
2:30:00home life everything right
2:30:03okay uh so you you got more in depth
2:30:06yeah i think
2:30:07um
2:30:08wednesday here we are and throughout the
2:30:10weekend i've been calling
2:30:15okay
2:30:15[Music]
2:30:17all right um
2:30:18just kind of look at some things here so
2:30:20we started wednesday
2:30:22um
2:30:24mom had work you and your dad watched a
2:30:26little fortune i'm just going to kind of
2:30:28read stuff back through a little bit
2:30:30okay
2:30:31and we kind of ended it last night
2:30:32because that's i've been talking to you
2:30:34since then you know so i don't think
2:30:35there's much else that i need you to
2:30:37tell me from last night
2:30:39um
2:30:42so watching wheel of fortune you're on
2:30:45the couch table downstairs a couch with
2:30:47the back to the table downstairs and
2:30:49tossing the the ball around for the dog
2:30:51and broke the glass fireplace
2:30:54um your foot gets hurt dad gets mad
2:30:58right yeah
2:31:00mom left for work in the morning comes
2:31:02home later on um
2:31:05dog was fine not injured at all was it
2:31:07the dog or the ball that crashed into
2:31:09the grass both the ball bounced the dog
2:31:12hit it with the shoulder that's how it
2:31:14broke it went the ball once you've done
2:31:16it
2:31:17yeah probably not
2:31:19okay um
2:31:22all right um
2:31:23[Applause]
2:31:24playing games watching youtube job
2:31:26search i'm just gonna instead of reading
2:31:29out loud just make sure i don't have any
2:31:31questions
2:31:32um
2:31:33[Music]
2:31:36you guys typically make your beds every
2:31:38day look like they're made yesterday
2:31:40when i was there yes okay we usually use
2:31:43sheets every few days in beds
2:31:50you change the sheets everywhere every
2:31:52few yeah they get
2:31:54changed that's one of the faces it's
2:31:56motivated by the dog harry it's kind of
2:31:59hard to sleep yeah they probably do have
2:32:01some pretty long hair the heat they
2:32:03should um
2:32:04but
2:32:07oh
2:32:08yeah i know no that's fine
2:32:10oh i get it i got a dog he sheds too but
2:32:13you got two of them
2:32:14you know
2:32:17sheets
2:32:23as far as
2:32:25as far as the blood on your foot
2:32:28um
2:32:29how did you clean that up so
2:32:31we were talking you got you had blood on
2:32:35it okay so for webjet and where did you
2:32:38get that from cat let me borrow it um
2:32:42where's it at now
2:32:43i returned it to cat and
2:32:53i don't know where it's at now
2:32:55we just brought it back
2:32:58give it back
2:33:01could you use anything else
2:33:04hydro peroxide
2:33:06for the
2:33:07tiles
2:33:08and the hard floors
2:33:09[Music]
2:33:13um
2:33:14just the big globs needed a little bit
2:33:18hydrogen peroxide did that seem to help
2:33:20get rid of the blood
2:33:22well it hurt my foot uh that stuff um
2:33:26but it didn't really help
2:33:27okay you kind of just made a mess
2:33:30and what do you say only on tiles i'm
2:33:31trying to remember your house i couldn't
2:33:33do carpet with it it wouldn't ruin the
2:33:34carpet right it would i think so
2:33:37um
2:33:38tiles are we talking kitchen because
2:33:40downstairs is just like symmetric well
2:33:42when i had some blood on the basement i
2:33:44used the peroxide
2:33:47okay basement floor and tiles in the
2:33:49kitchen yeah okay yeah i'm pretty
2:33:52excited there it wasn't as much like
2:33:55they were
2:33:56like this size pools in the kitchen okay
2:33:59i was pinching it pretty dang hard but
2:34:01which was also cutting deeper because i
2:34:03had another
2:34:04might still have a piece of glass
2:34:06so the biggest pool that you saw was
2:34:09this was downstairs this was
2:34:12kind of on the stone
2:34:15close to the glass and then there was
2:34:17one right at the base kind of where the
2:34:19chairs i put
2:34:22like a good
2:34:24like
2:34:25two or three inch diameter
2:34:28two three inch diameter
2:34:32more than that
2:34:44did you do anything to
2:34:46so i wrote down on tuesday that you
2:34:48tried getting the glass cleaned up in
2:34:49the basement
2:34:50um tossed it in the glass or glass and
2:34:52recycling did you clean up at all when
2:34:54it actually happened
2:34:56no my dad was furious
2:34:59so he he did stuff
2:35:01to clean it yeah i don't know what he
2:35:03did
2:35:04[Music]
2:35:07but i he's sent me to my room upstairs
2:35:10and he did whatever he did but it still
2:35:12was on the floor after he was done okay
2:35:16um
2:35:18[Music]
2:35:19did your dad get injured at all when the
2:35:21glass broke did he step down in here and
2:35:23set me up
2:35:24but i
2:35:26don't doubt it and he gets mad he's not
2:35:29thinking
2:35:30so we don't know if your dad got hurt no
2:35:33okay no if you want to eat healthy my
2:35:36best guys is
2:35:37that guy reached in the fireplace some
2:35:39kind of assessment or something
2:35:48[Music]
2:35:50head pain do you guys have like tylenol
2:35:52or something
2:35:54i know you guys can't really offer
2:35:55anything like that
2:35:58yeah i've been getting the migraines
2:36:00from all of the
2:36:02hits and stuff
2:36:06yeah um so all right so cleaning up the
2:36:09blood we just got the swiffer and
2:36:11the hydrogen peroxide
2:36:14just kind of smeared it around
2:36:16there's
2:36:19okay oh there's another thing
2:36:23paper toweling yeah
2:36:25just that okay and then there's
2:36:29i don't know
2:36:33where did all those paper towels go just
2:36:36in the trash yeah
2:36:38um some
2:36:42everywhere my car trash
2:36:45in my
2:36:46my trash
2:36:50um they ended up in the car crash
2:36:53there's a bag in the car that i carried
2:36:55around it's a car trash okay it's like a
2:36:57gallon bag okay that's more portable
2:37:00than the garbage can
2:37:03so
2:37:04yeah bloody rag after bloody rag just
2:37:06trying to get it all off and um
2:37:09i don't know
2:37:10it was a lot i
2:37:12i didn't feel sick so i clinted in that
2:37:14box right yeah you know it was enough to
2:37:16pass out or anything
2:37:18is there any reason to believe mom or
2:37:21dad's blood would be somewhere
2:37:24in the house that they've been injured
2:37:26at all that you're aware of well my dad
2:37:29scratches his psoriasis until he like
2:37:32gushes blood okay gushing describe
2:37:35gushing to me enough to run down your
2:37:37leg like um
2:37:40like cover your leg i suppose like
2:37:42he doesn't want his knee
2:37:44so where he does this it just like
2:37:48drips down
2:37:50yeah i asked him to stop but he doesn't
2:37:52do it when he's stressed out yeah he
2:37:55just kind of like gets his tick
2:37:57yeah probably hitches
2:37:59does he um
2:38:01not like does it enough to get on the
2:38:02floor does it leave oh yeah yeah like
2:38:05how much like before we're talking the
2:38:07water bottle lid and the yeti live is
2:38:08there i mean like are we talking puddles
2:38:10like that or just
2:38:12or
2:38:16[Music]
2:38:24just from her bloody noses she gets
2:38:26sometimes when she wakes up
2:38:28that's why we've been doing the
2:38:30dehumidifier
2:38:32humidifier and dehumidifiers yeah
2:38:36probably downstairs you get that we have
2:38:38to do multiple of them but she can't be
2:38:41in the living room too long because
2:38:42that's a dehumidifier you know if she
2:38:44does
2:38:45or knows it's
2:38:47bad
2:38:49not like a regular one she gets it bad
2:38:53um
2:38:55but she either goes to the kitchen to
2:38:57fix it her vanity or
2:39:00the bathroom
2:39:04um when she has bloody noses are we
2:39:06talking and it's just spraying around
2:39:08does it just break well it's not
2:39:09squirting but it's just dripping and she
2:39:11doesn't notice it okay she can't feel it
2:39:14anymore okay
2:39:17um
2:39:19is there any reason to believe that in
2:39:21either one of their vehicles there would
2:39:22be any of their blood
2:39:27their vehicles yeah
2:39:29or anybody's vehicle let's say that no
2:39:32maybe car trash
2:39:34mom's car trash would definitely the
2:39:36past few days
2:39:38my dad's car trash
2:39:42why would they have blood in their car
2:39:44trashes
2:39:44[Music]
2:39:46well my mom does the bloody noses with
2:39:49the air conditioning so okay and uh
2:39:51would we have air conditioning my mom
2:39:53will
2:39:54have to use um
2:39:56uh great towels and stuff because
2:39:59in the hot days you can't have your
2:40:01windows open you'll you won't drive well
2:40:03no so air conditioning my mom will have
2:40:06nosebleeds
2:40:09um my dad hasn't had them
2:40:11as much as she does but he gets them
2:40:14okay
2:40:15um his are worse than my moths
2:40:22um mostly just with air conditioning or
2:40:25sometimes
2:40:26sometimes with a dehumidifier okay
2:40:30me personally just an air conditioning
2:40:34i get them
2:40:35but i'm not as bad as my parents i
2:40:38it's
2:40:40not bad okay
2:40:43all right
2:40:59[Music]
2:41:14i just want to make sure that i'm asking
2:41:16everything so i don't have to keep
2:41:17calling me and stuff do you know my
2:41:19brother you see okay
2:41:21mitch yeah did he make it
2:41:24i know that's a long drive he hasn't
2:41:25called yeah he hasn't called me at all
2:41:27so i don't
2:41:28know i don't think they've ever done a
2:41:30trip like that so it's like three hours
2:41:33three and a half or later [ __ ] okay
2:41:37okay
2:41:40um as far as up at the cabin
2:41:44when do you think the last time you were
2:41:46up there
2:41:47personally last year last year memorial
2:41:50a day i believe it wasn't the weekend
2:41:52before memorial
2:41:57i didn't make the parade
2:41:59i never got through last year
2:42:03when do you think the last time your mom
2:42:04or dad were at the cabin before my dad
2:42:06went when my brother was diagnosed with
2:42:09diabetes
2:42:11when was that
2:42:14the weekend before my concussion so
2:42:17one two three
2:42:18from not including this week
2:42:22four
2:42:23yeah four
2:42:25four weeks did you bring it up brother
2:42:28doing okay
2:42:29he wasn't born with diabetes no this was
2:42:32against the kind you're born in june of
2:42:34this year i think three four weeks ago
2:42:36yeah okay
2:42:38he went up
2:42:39notice uh
2:42:40our plumbing's gone to crap and he
2:42:43bought a new set something at a fleet
2:42:46farm or a home depot or it's like a
2:42:50it's like a four-way converter type
2:42:53thing for the plumbing
2:42:55something for the cabin yeah for the
2:42:56cabin it's for like a toilet or yeah we
2:42:59have a toilet out there actually no nice
2:43:02um not just an outhouse
2:43:04no there is an outhouse
2:43:20thank
2:43:35that's what the sentencing uh he was
2:43:37like oh they told me to have no emotion
2:43:39don't express myself that's why i was
2:43:40like that it's not because i didn't feel
2:43:42anything
2:43:44come on you put them on your mouth
2:43:45already
2:43:49uh sort of plumbing on true serum no no
2:43:52is it is it like uh
2:43:54was it a sink or a toilet or what was it
2:43:56with the plumbing that went bad um
2:43:59so when we have to pour water in every
2:44:02time we go up to start the pump
2:44:05okay
2:44:06so
2:44:07some reason by pouring water in the
2:44:09water never rose in the toilet bowl
2:44:11apparently so you couldn't flush it you
2:44:14know
2:44:15the water didn't come to the toilet
2:44:18so
2:44:18he needed a new thing to stop whatever
2:44:21the problem was i think leaking
2:44:23i don't know i
2:44:25didn't hear everything from him sure how
2:44:27did he find out about that
2:44:30he yeah how did he know that there was a
2:44:33plumbing issue up there well he went up
2:44:35there just to go see the cabin oh so
2:44:37when he went up a couple weeks ago he
2:44:39realized an issue this time he wanted to
2:44:41fix it well he fixed
2:44:43the major issue
2:44:44so it won't be flooding the house okay
2:44:47the cabin
2:44:50no
2:44:50he wanted the pipe set
2:44:52to redo it
2:44:54okay
2:44:56because we we need new pipes because
2:44:57they're lead
2:45:01and i think we might be moving to
2:45:03plastic
2:45:04because there's no water heat we can do
2:45:06plastic yeah
2:45:10um
2:45:15okay i'm trying to figure out what that
2:45:17part was
2:45:18but that was one mitch diabetes
2:45:21the number one
2:45:24did mitch go up there with him no
2:45:26my mom and i we're kind of with mitch
2:45:28all that weekend
2:45:30good and stuff dad just went to welling
2:45:32yep and then later that week i had my
2:45:35fall
2:45:37and i i just started getting my memory
2:45:40back okay so
2:45:42where did his mom been up there this
2:45:44year though mom has not been up there
2:45:47this year
2:45:48maybe they were up there before
2:45:51uh
2:45:52no
2:45:53i think dad
2:45:54dad did it all himself maybe
2:45:58i think this is first
2:46:00and mitch hasn't been in the cabin in a
2:46:01while right today
2:46:04today yeah i couldn't say he's been
2:46:06there he didn't go last year okay
2:46:09okay does he kind of do his own thing or
2:46:12um mitch hasn't lived with us or
2:46:15you know
2:46:17like
2:46:17he's got a family now dog or girlfriend
2:46:21no kids but
2:46:23cool it's kind of
2:46:25you know i'm just like you know it is
2:46:27brothers you might be dead too
2:46:31got a feeling myself yeah all right
2:46:34i've started thinking about that myself
2:46:36and my parents are trying to
2:46:39figure that out with me
2:46:45like that
2:46:47we got all the background i think right
2:46:49yeah like so
2:46:50so i think it's time we start talking
2:46:53about what happened to your parents
2:46:55like the truthful version
2:46:56okay
2:46:58okay
2:46:59so we have like 20 pages of writing
2:47:02we're going to start with a clean white
2:47:04piece of paper for you to start telling
2:47:05the truth okay right because listen
2:47:07listen to me this is the only chance
2:47:09you're going to have
2:47:10to tell us the truth okay okay what we
2:47:13listen listen
2:47:15i can't tell you what we know
2:47:16no we know you're not telling us the
2:47:18truth
2:47:18we know your parents are no longer with
2:47:20us
2:47:21okay and we know the reason why
2:47:24okay you need to tell the truth there's
2:47:26listen listen you need to tell the truth
2:47:29about what happened
2:47:30and just tell us why look at his face
2:47:32here he can't it's not in him people
2:47:34like this they can never
2:47:36tell the truth it's like like
2:47:40just repulse like you can't even like
2:47:42you just can't even fathom the truth
2:47:47okay
2:47:48if something happened if you were
2:47:49defending yourself or if you just got
2:47:51fed up with stuff
2:47:53you need to tell us the truth okay
2:47:56this is your chance to tell us why
2:47:58okay
2:47:59i'm not bs on
2:48:01okay
2:48:06so can we do that okay they're okay um
2:48:19oh
2:48:30wow
2:48:31[Music]
2:48:34see what happens
2:48:35[Music]
2:48:36okay
2:48:38what was the pause for do we miss him
2:48:44juicy syndrome right
2:48:47oh he's upset
2:48:52what happened
2:48:54he really thought they believed in the
2:48:55whole story okay and
2:48:57look you know what happened we're not
2:48:59going to tell you what happened you know
2:49:01what happened you were there when it
2:49:02happened
2:49:04we're not bs okay
2:49:06let me happen tonight
2:49:10you know more right than you think we
2:49:13know i actually
2:49:14but
2:49:16there's people that have pulled us
2:49:17things we have we have evidence with
2:49:19proof
2:49:20but more has happened okay
2:49:24by the way if you guys are warning about
2:49:25the cut on his foot was bleeding all
2:49:27this blood and gushing and hydrogen
2:49:30peroxide and all this stuff
2:49:34here's a look let's see at the
2:49:35defendant's foot
2:49:37all that cleaning and all this stuff
2:49:41here's look at the defendant's foot you
2:49:42can see
2:49:43a cut on his big toe
2:49:45this has been referred to several times
2:49:47throughout the trial
2:49:51that's just so small we got to zoom in
2:49:53hold on a second let me download damage
2:49:57there's those mom we gotta zoom in
2:50:01there's the cat right there guys
2:50:09they were gonna measure it but it was so
2:50:10small they just didn't bother measuring
2:50:12it just all right let's take it back
2:50:16brah
2:50:17this is something else man
2:50:20so your parents never made it to the
2:50:21cabin and i think you know that
2:50:26glass
2:50:28why don't they keep cutting it out pause
2:50:30no
2:50:30play
2:50:32instead of you want to stand up let's
2:50:34come right over here for me
2:50:37getting in your pockets at all wally
2:50:39there's a wall if you're just going
2:50:40there
2:50:44it does kind of remind me a little of
2:50:45just about these people can never admit
2:50:47that they're lying never even when
2:50:49caught red-handed they could never admit
2:50:52it
2:50:53so odd
2:50:58oh it says right now
2:51:01so they would they won't take the vape
2:51:02down in
2:51:12[Music]
2:51:21[Music]
2:51:26the detective said all right
2:51:29we were to say 20 pages of notes all
2:51:31right we're going to wipe all this stuff
2:51:33throw it away we're going to start a
2:51:34fresh new page start telling the truth
2:51:36now we entertain your bs this entire
2:51:38time all right we're getting rid of
2:51:40everything got a whole new blank page
2:51:42try again
2:51:43hey what
2:51:44what happened what
2:51:55incredible dude
2:51:57imagine being in a relationship with
2:51:58somebody like that i think about that
2:52:00girlfriend or whatever
2:52:03i'm gonna stop and it
2:52:06ends for all intents and purposes at
2:52:07148.24
2:52:09and judge you can turn off the screen
2:52:10here moment if you'd like
2:52:20[Music]
2:52:34okay
2:52:36i think that's all i have in me i mean i
2:52:38was curious to see a little bit this
2:52:41whole
2:52:42what was the other thing i want to see
2:52:44andrew
2:52:47andrew smith the defendant's friend
2:52:49that's about an hour
2:52:51that's day eight
2:52:56it looks like there's two different
2:52:57people that talk
2:52:59andrew smith
2:53:02i mean we could just leave it for
2:53:03another day for anything
2:53:10i couldn't be those those detectives did
2:53:12a good job i could i cut it two minutes
2:53:16but they need to do that just let them
2:53:17talk
2:53:25i know i feel like we're gonna have to
2:53:26keep watching different parts of this
2:53:27because now i'm just curious about the
2:53:28rest of the story
2:53:31so maybe we'll come back i don't know
2:53:32maybe this weekend we'll come back i'm
2:53:34curious i mean if you guys want to email
2:53:36me different parts of the thing it's
2:53:38almost like then do we need to go
2:53:39through the whole trial
2:53:41but there's so many different things
2:53:42coming up i don't know that we should
2:53:44commit to a full trial but
2:53:46the defendant's
2:53:47friend would be interesting andrew smith
2:53:50and maybe the girlfriend as well right
2:53:52your girlfriend or fiance
2:53:54or whatever girlfriend that would be
2:53:56interesting
2:54:01yeah i think let's just leave it for
2:54:02next time we'll do another thing maybe
2:54:04tomorrow we can come back yeah
2:54:06i'll do a little more planning we can
2:54:08just hang out and chill i have fun
2:54:10address testimony isn't that long it's
2:54:12not britney
2:54:13um
2:54:15i was look here's the link that somebody
2:54:17sent me
2:54:18let me just uh let's see
2:54:26somebody sent me this link
2:54:28[Music]
2:54:30and so there's this guy is this andrew
2:54:33the guy with the
2:54:35beige
2:54:36jacket or
2:54:40this guy here with the plaid shirt
2:54:52you now ready to go
2:54:56i had a really good time with you guys i
2:54:57appreciate it man appreciate you guys
2:54:58coming through i wanted to pop in man
2:55:01hang out with you guys i like these
2:55:02trial things
2:55:09really
2:55:10which which guy is is it this one here
2:55:12the guy in the
2:55:13brown jacket we could watch this and
2:55:15then go we could watch this last thing
2:55:17if it's not if you don't want to watch
2:55:19we just watch his portion and then call
2:55:21it
2:55:23that's him
2:55:24okay
2:55:26no jacket hold on hold on now we gotta
2:55:28oh oh who's who
2:55:30i mean i could just play it and listen
2:55:32right like
2:55:34andrew smith is up next and it's a
2:55:36little over
2:55:38and it's about a little over half an
2:55:40hour i think army jacket guy okay thank
2:55:42you
2:55:55hold up okay so it's about
2:55:58it's about 40 minutes y'all
2:56:03maybe we should start fresh maybe we
2:56:04should start tomorrow fresh what do you
2:56:06think
2:56:08you won't play enough maybe i should do
2:56:10a vote
2:56:12you'll stay it's 3 30 in the morning
2:56:13you'll stay
2:56:14yo if it's 3 30 in the morning you'll
2:56:16stay then i gotta stay man come on
2:56:17there's only 9 30 here then i got to
2:56:19stay
2:56:24all right let's do it let's do it
2:56:26[Laughter]
2:56:28peer pressure
2:56:30man you want to do this i don't know
2:56:32come on come on all right let's do it
2:56:33[ __ ] it
2:56:38all right
2:56:39um
2:56:40i wish i could find this
2:56:42i'm a little hes i'm a little hesitant
2:56:44to use law and crime because i heard of
2:56:46some drama and stuff even though i know
2:56:49lindsay was saying reiki is it ricky law
2:56:52they fought it and it was no problem
2:56:54but these are big channels that can
2:56:56fight this stuff i don't want to have to
2:56:57deal with mess let me just pull let me
2:56:59see
2:57:03let me just see if i can find a source
2:57:04that's not going to
2:57:06hassle me you know
2:57:08even the other day when i played jesse's
2:57:10video
2:57:11some chicago tribune vid uh company was
2:57:14trying to claim this stuff
2:57:16uh
2:57:17if i could find it real quick
2:57:20or you know what you just sent it to me
2:57:22didn't you uh lindsay lindsay said it to
2:57:24me she's gonna curse me out
2:57:27then she gave me a different link okay
2:57:30this says this ever
2:57:34let me check this link real quick
2:57:45okay here
2:57:46let's do this take a chance somewhere
2:57:48else
2:57:48you know
2:57:52i don't know about core tv either i
2:57:54don't think they would do it like it
2:57:56would be an issue but i guess we could
2:57:57use these guys
2:57:59all right oh some of you guys just do 30
2:58:01a.m all right so i can't complain all
2:58:02right let's do it
2:58:11let me use three now
2:58:16and i'll inquire if over the break
2:58:19anyone was exposed to conversations
2:58:20engaged in conversations or otherwise
2:58:23researched or learned or sought any
2:58:25information about the case i see no
2:58:27hands thanks very much we're going to
2:58:29continue with the state's case if you
2:58:31yeah it would be that simple the law but
2:58:33you'd be surprised sometimes these
2:58:35companies man it should be like that it
2:58:36really is but
2:58:38uh all right we can call your witness
2:58:40please stay called andrew smith holland
2:58:41mr smith do you believe you could
2:58:43testify safely and responsibly without
2:58:45wearing a mask that would be our
2:58:46preference if you can yes sir go ahead
2:58:49and remove your mask surprise they're
2:58:50still doing this mask next i'll ask you
2:58:52to please stand so he literally can be
2:58:54administered like three four years later
2:58:56all right maybe like his two i'm not
2:58:57surprised he's still doing this hand
2:59:00do you solely swear for the testimony
2:59:02about to give him this matters yeah i
2:59:03prefer the local news stations i don't
2:59:05know what this channel is but i prefer
2:59:06the local news
2:59:09yes ma'am
2:59:10uh and cheers
2:59:12i don't wanna do it on camera and then
2:59:13you can pull the microphone back up nice
2:59:15and close
2:59:17perfect good afternoon sir could you
2:59:19please state your name and then spell it
2:59:20out so everyone who's taking notes just
2:59:22knows how it's spelled andrew smith
2:59:24how do you spell it alpha november delta
2:59:27romeo echo whiskey
2:59:29and your last name smith that's pretty
2:59:30good man when i have to pronounce like
2:59:32the letters of my name i'm coming up
2:59:33with weird stuff
2:59:35um nothing that's like this what is it
2:59:37military stuff common spelling sierra
2:59:39mike india tango hotel and uh how old
2:59:42are you sir 22 sir and uh what area of
2:59:44the country do you live in kansas sir
2:59:46okay um
2:59:48do you know someone by the name of
2:59:49chandler halderson yes sir how did you
2:59:51meet chandler holders playing video
2:59:53games while stationed in germany sir did
2:59:54chandler really get it he got sick
2:59:56during the trial
2:59:58hoax said he got he got the virus during
3:00:00the trial okay maybe i spoke too soon
3:00:04the law the virus ended as soon as
3:00:07russia crossed the border
3:00:08okay um and
3:00:11do you see mr halderson in the courtroom
3:00:12here today yes sir all right what's
3:00:14going to happen here is the judge is
3:00:15going to give some instructions and i'm
3:00:16going to ask you where he is so wait one
3:00:18second i would ask everyone who's not in
3:00:20the jury box to lower their masks for
3:00:22just a short moment so that all faces
3:00:24are observed by the witness you can
3:00:26replace your masks thank you
3:00:28did you see mr halderson here in the
3:00:29courtroom yes sir you tell me where he's
3:00:31sitting and kind of what he's wearing
3:00:32over on the right turn his suit sir and
3:00:34that's the end is he at a table yes sir
3:00:37very good oh that's right reflect
3:00:39identification it will it will reflect
3:00:41that education sure um
3:00:44let's talk a little bit about i guess
3:00:45that time period in which you met mr
3:00:47halderson uh you said you were stationed
3:00:48over in germany yes sir uh were you in
3:00:50the military yes sir what branch army
3:00:52sir
3:00:53uh anne's uh where in germany were you
3:00:55stationed on boxer
3:00:57and um where about is that
3:01:00middle of bfe sir okay
3:01:03uh and
3:01:04how did you meet someone who lived here
3:01:06in wisconsin while you were in germany
3:01:08playing video games on arma 3 server sir
3:01:10okay um and armor 3 server i don't think
3:01:13i've heard of that armor 3 servers
3:01:16you were in germany playing video games
3:01:18on arma 3 server sir
3:01:20okay and he was
3:01:22middle of bfe sir
3:01:25and
3:01:26how did you meet someone who lived here
3:01:28in wisconsin while you were in germany
3:01:30playing video games on arma 3 server sir
3:01:32okay
3:01:34and what type of video games are you
3:01:35playing
3:01:36mostly fps sir okay what type of game is
3:01:39that
3:01:40so
3:01:41a go around
3:01:43complete objectives and
3:01:45first person shooter i'm sure certain
3:01:47scenarios sir okay is it a shooting game
3:01:49yes sir okay
3:01:51um and uh
3:01:52some people on the jury maybe play video
3:01:54games other people don't if you had to
3:01:55explain to someone how you end up
3:01:56meeting someone playing a video game
3:01:57could you describe how that happens so
3:01:59you'll connect to a server and then you
3:02:02can type in voice channels or type in
3:02:04questions you can type in text channels
3:02:05meet people you can die by other players
3:02:08and interact through them like that by
3:02:10just typing them or if you guys getting
3:02:13a voice altercation at safe zones where
3:02:16some players can't necessarily hurt each
3:02:18other
3:02:19oh battlefield oh okay
3:02:21okay armor three
3:02:23battlefield i've heard of i heard the
3:02:25new one kind of sucks i've seen this
3:02:26from videos and stuff unless they fixed
3:02:28it
3:02:29okay and so how about did you end up uh
3:02:32meeting chandler um was he just in one
3:02:34of these games and you talked to him yes
3:02:35sir okay um
3:02:37did you talk to him a lot yes sir um did
3:02:40you develop a friendship yes sir about
3:02:42what time was this what year was this
3:02:45i want to say it was 2019 or 2018
3:02:48shortly after my son was born sir okay
3:02:51and uh how often if you just had to give
3:02:53us a general overview how often would
3:02:55you play video games with chandler
3:02:57online almost every day sir okay and
3:02:59would you be talking and communicating
3:03:00during that time period yes sir okay um
3:03:04at some point um
3:03:05you start to learn a lot about chandler
3:03:07i would imagine yes okay did you have
3:03:09any idea of at the time kind of what he
3:03:11was doing in life school work anything
3:03:13like that
3:03:14as far as i knew he was going to college
3:03:16in one of the towns somewhere in
3:03:18wisconsin
3:03:19and doing all that
3:03:21okay
3:03:22at some point you end up here back
3:03:23coming back to the united states yes sir
3:03:25military service was over something like
3:03:27that sir okay um at any point while you
3:03:30were in the military toward the end of
3:03:31your service did you suffer an injury
3:03:32yourself yes sir i was in uh germany and
3:03:35i was coming off the 50 cal range in a
3:03:37german
3:03:38toilet humvee and i got in a humvee
3:03:40wreck
3:03:40so i slammed my forehead on a hard side
3:03:43wall of the vehicle
3:03:46unfortunately so you have a head injury
3:03:48essentially sir okay um
3:03:52were you talking to mr halderson around
3:03:53this time
3:03:54between that head injury when you came
3:03:55back to the united states okay
3:03:58um
3:03:59when you came back to the united states
3:04:01what state did you move to or live in
3:04:03kansas is that your home
3:04:05for now okay
3:04:06um had you ever spent much time in
3:04:08wisconsin before no sir okay um
3:04:12after you moved back to to wisconsin or
3:04:15to the united states um did your
3:04:17frequency of playing video games with mr
3:04:19halderson did it increase decrease stay
3:04:21the same increaser i was in the same
3:04:23time zone
3:04:24okay um and would you continue to play
3:04:27the same types of games yes sir all
3:04:29right is there any specific weapons that
3:04:31mr halderson liked what he's playing
3:04:32these games
3:04:34it really depend on what we were playing
3:04:36and tarkov or escape from tarkov was
3:04:38what's the game was called uh
3:04:40it would range from realistically to
3:04:42whatever we could find inside the video
3:04:44game because not everything was
3:04:47necessarily easy to collect but the sks
3:04:50was certainly a weapon that was
3:04:53fun to use in tarkov and was something
3:04:54that i had grown interested in as well
3:04:57i think that tarkov game is a
3:04:59playstation only
3:05:01and it's kind of like one of those
3:05:03i heard it was good escape from tarkov i
3:05:05don't know it's one of those legendary
3:05:07games i thought
3:05:08maybe not
3:05:09i've always heard of that game
3:05:13not that it matters not that any of this
3:05:15matters but
3:05:16what says on pc
3:05:18okay
3:05:19and um platforms for microsoft around
3:05:22this time after you came back to the
3:05:23united states did you learn anything
3:05:24more about where mr halderson was in
3:05:26life had jobs changed school changed or
3:05:28was things the same for him essentially
3:05:30what i understood was he was still going
3:05:32to college and he at some point had gone
3:05:34back to windsor or i think it's called
3:05:37windsor
3:05:38and said started working for some
3:05:40company installing solar panels or
3:05:41working on contracts for solar panels
3:05:43okay
3:05:44um at any point in your discussions with
3:05:47mr halderson did he get another job or
3:05:50was that the last job you knew him
3:05:51having as far as i know that was it sir
3:05:53okay
3:05:54um
3:05:56at some point you decided to come visit
3:05:58chandler yes sir when abouts was that
3:06:00sometime during uh i think it was june
3:06:03sir of this past year yes okay
3:06:06um
3:06:08generally we just
3:06:09how did that come about did he ask you
3:06:11to come up did you decide to come up so
3:06:13it was one of those
3:06:14last-minute decisions i was able to make
3:06:16sir so my wife had ended up going to
3:06:19visit family in ohio and she was going
3:06:20to be gone for two weeks so i went
3:06:22looked at how many points i had i was
3:06:24able to take off work and i went and
3:06:25called off work that day so i could come
3:06:27up and have a weekend with uh driving up
3:06:30there and then spending two days with
3:06:31him sir okay
3:06:33um had you ever been to wisconsin before
3:06:35no sir okay um
3:06:38it's a long drive up here no [ __ ] i'm
3:06:41yes sir
3:06:43it's okay
3:06:44everyone slips up i'm showing you what's
3:06:46been marked
3:06:47in this case is exhibit number uh 392.
3:06:51um
3:06:52is that you and chandler up here
3:06:54yes sir all right and i'll just move 392
3:06:57and evidence i'll just show it to the
3:06:58jury if that's okay judge any objection
3:07:00no objection it's received you may
3:07:01publish
3:07:02where'd you stay when you were up here
3:07:04with mr halderson in uh their family
3:07:06home in the basement sir did you meet
3:07:07his parents yes sir okay
3:07:12when you were up here um what kind of
3:07:14things did you do for fun where'd you go
3:07:16so we went swimming
3:07:18at some
3:07:20river at some point and then we went
3:07:21drove around to the different department
3:07:23stores department stores and we're
3:07:25looking at weapons and all that so we
3:07:26went to
3:07:27cabela's we went to i think it was i
3:07:30want to say it was bass pro but that
3:07:31doesn't sound right i know we went to
3:07:32gander mountain and then we went to like
3:07:34one or two other places but i can't
3:07:35remember what they were
3:07:37um showing you a photograph labeled
3:07:41exhibit number 563
3:07:43did you take that picture yes sir and
3:07:45what is that the river center that you
3:07:47went swimming yes sir and who took you
3:07:49there uh chandler and his uh girlfriend
3:07:51at the time right um 563 in evidence no
3:07:54objection it is received and i asked the
3:07:55publisher on the elbow
3:07:57actually it's it's not set up right now
3:07:59i'm just going to show everybody
3:08:03was that a river or a lake you're
3:08:04swimming in river sir and was there a
3:08:06city across the street or across the
3:08:08river from there yes sir and there was a
3:08:09bridge on the right paladin
3:08:16having never been to wisconsin before
3:08:18you don't know exactly what river that
3:08:19was or where you were
3:08:21i'm just here sir okay
3:08:22[Music]
3:08:25how long did you stay up here with
3:08:26chandler and the family when you came to
3:08:28visit so i got up there
3:08:30on saturday morning
3:08:33right around 5 a.m i think and then
3:08:36i stayed there until sunday evening
3:08:39around 1700
3:08:42and then went and departed and was able
3:08:43to arrive back home on monday around two
3:08:46or four in the morning one somewhere
3:08:47between sir okay
3:08:49um
3:08:50when you visited wisconsin to see
3:08:52chandler you brought him a gift yes sir
3:08:53what did you bring i brought him a
3:08:5620-inch
3:08:57barrel sks
3:09:00um how did you acquire this gun
3:09:03so i had purchased it
3:09:05on a gun broker and i went and had it
3:09:08sent to my fell and then it went and sat
3:09:10in the phone so i went and did the fl
3:09:11transfer
3:09:12so i purchased it initially because i
3:09:14really thought like oh well i like in
3:09:16the video game i might like it in real
3:09:18life and then
3:09:19i fired it it sat in my safe and then i
3:09:21never touched it again
3:09:23and then it just dawned on me like
3:09:25well i'm gonna give it to someone who
3:09:27might actually appreciate this weapon
3:09:29and take care of it and
3:09:30all that so i end up
3:09:33giving it to chandler as a gift okay so
3:09:35while you like guns you didn't
3:09:36particularly love this gun no sir okay
3:09:39i'm going to show you what's been marked
3:09:40as exhibit number
3:09:42391 um you know what that document is
3:09:45yes sir it's a
3:09:46ffl transfer paperwork sir and you've
3:09:48been saying the the phrase ffl correct
3:09:51yes what does that mean that's a federal
3:09:52firearms license holder meaning someone
3:09:54who's licensed to to sell firearms and
3:09:56fills out people and does the correct
3:09:58background checks and such got it um a
3:10:01move uh 391 in evidence no objection it
3:10:04is received this document has your
3:10:07signature on it and the person who sold
3:10:08it their signature correct
3:10:10yes sir and it has the serial number of
3:10:12the weapon that you purchased yes sir
3:10:14got it
3:10:14um
3:10:15now
3:10:16when you gave the gun to did he pay you
3:10:18for it no sir um it was a gift yes sir
3:10:21um did you document in any way
3:10:23transferring that gun to him yes sir how
3:10:25did you choose did you fill out
3:10:26paperwork like this i took his uh photo
3:10:28id that the state issued him and i took
3:10:30it right next to the serial number
3:10:31annotating that this was me giving this
3:10:33weapon to this individual so that way
3:10:35if anything like this would occur
3:10:38that it wouldn't necessarily come back
3:10:39to me okay it was important to you to
3:10:41document that most times it is yes okay
3:10:43so i'm showing you what's been marked is
3:10:45exhibit number 393
3:10:48394
3:10:50and then
3:10:51maybe a more zoomed in version which is
3:10:53564. do those all appear to be just
3:10:56general versions of what you did there
3:10:58yes sir and so these are chandler's
3:11:00driver's license and the serial number
3:11:02of that weapon yes sir all right i'll
3:11:04move
3:11:05393 394 and 564 in evidence no objection
3:11:10they are received
3:11:13and i'll publish into the jury just by
3:11:14showing it if that's fine with everyone
3:11:16kind of gun was it sks something right
3:11:19so i'm showing first this one
3:11:21this is chandler's id and then you put
3:11:23it up next to that serial number yes sir
3:11:26okay
3:11:26[Music]
3:11:29another version zoomed in same thing yes
3:11:31sir
3:11:33and then
3:11:34the actual serial number
3:11:36zoomed in a little bit closer oh i can't
3:11:38wait for the defense d-lo says mel just
3:11:40wait till you see this kid go off on the
3:11:42defense yes sir can you read the serial
3:11:44number for us of this gun from the
3:11:46zoomed in picture yes sir
3:11:50one zero one seven nine four eight five
3:11:55papa
3:11:57okay
3:11:58so one zero one seven nine four eight
3:12:01five
3:12:02p pete paul
3:12:04okay
3:12:07had chandler asked you for this gun or
3:12:09was this just your idea
3:12:10i think he had at one point asked for it
3:12:13as a joke but mostly was my idea sir
3:12:15okay
3:12:16psyop that's how you implant the thought
3:12:18and then make you think it's their own i
3:12:20like the gun
3:12:23hey you know what here's the gun um you
3:12:26brought him other things that go with
3:12:27the gun yes sir what type of things so i
3:12:29had brought him a steel canister that
3:12:31had contained roughly 480 rounds of 762
3:12:35by 39 steel case tool ammo and is that
3:12:37the ammunition that goes with that
3:12:38weapon yes sir oh okay and showing you
3:12:41what's been marked exhibit 395
3:12:45396
3:12:47397. uh do those appear to be that that
3:12:50canister of ammunition yes sir and are
3:12:53you fairly confident that's the one you
3:12:54brought well i mean i'm the only weirdo
3:12:55that stencils his ammo can so yes you
3:12:57put those stencils on there yes sir all
3:12:59right so i'd move 397 395 and 396 in
3:13:02evidence no objections they are received
3:13:05and i'll move to publish um to 396. yes
3:13:08of course
3:13:09and so showing the jury this picture
3:13:12when you say you stenciled this ammo can
3:13:14what do you mean by that
3:13:15so i've got plenty of different kinds of
3:13:17rounds in my home so i'll go and have
3:13:19different cans for them and i take a
3:13:20spray can i'll buy the stencils so i can
3:13:22make sure i know what i'm grabbing if i
3:13:24need something before i go to the rain
3:13:25so i'm not running around like a chicken
3:13:26with my head cut off trying to figure
3:13:27out what can goes to what
3:13:29so this yellow paint that says 762 by 39
3:13:32that's you that stenciled that on there
3:13:34yes sir okay
3:13:37some type of friend huh
3:13:38and briefly just showing you
3:13:41i'm not saying anything bad about this
3:13:43guy but it's like damn
3:13:46um i wonder until i was thinking real
3:13:48quick i was like i wonder what the
3:13:50the prosecutor did an amazing job with
3:13:52the opening statements i was
3:13:54like what did the defense have right
3:13:57like what what did they say right they
3:13:59do they have opening scenes they have to
3:14:00have opening statements right what did
3:14:01they say was like two minutes long or
3:14:03something like he's innocent
3:14:05what could they argue with this stuff
3:14:07exhibit number 398 399 400 401. uh do
3:14:13all of those appear to be the ammunition
3:14:15that was inside of that cam
3:14:17yes sir all right i'll move 398 through
3:14:19401
3:14:22no objection they are received and i'd
3:14:24move to publish i'll publish just for
3:14:26purposes of
3:14:28just showing the jury something 398 and
3:14:30400.
3:14:31very good
3:14:32and these are just those ammunition yes
3:14:34sir okay there was a lot of ammunition
3:14:36a bit
3:14:39you didn't have anything
3:14:44okay
3:14:48how did chandler react when you gave him
3:14:49the gun oh he was happy what do you mean
3:14:51but how do you know he was happier how
3:14:53do you how do you know that because he
3:14:54had a big smile on his face when i had
3:14:55given it to him as a gift
3:14:57[Music]
3:15:01were you aware whether his
3:15:04his parents that he was living with were
3:15:06were gun people or wanted guns in their
3:15:08home as far as i knew that or what was
3:15:10explained by chandler was that his
3:15:12parents understood the reason why
3:15:14firearms exist in this world
3:15:16and
3:15:17not that they necessarily support having
3:15:19them but they're helpful in situations
3:15:22sure
3:15:23um
3:15:24to your knowledge did chandler have any
3:15:25guns
3:15:26as far as i knew he told me that he had
3:15:28owned a ar-15 with
3:15:32a with a barrel extension that had to be
3:15:35welded on or something like that it was
3:15:37kind of looked like an m16 almost did
3:15:39you ever see that gun he had showed me a
3:15:40picture of it on uh the vid or on the
3:15:43app called discord
3:15:44but i don't have any documentation hey
3:15:46when you were here discord crew where
3:15:48you at
3:15:50discord by the way yeah go to discord it
3:15:52could mel there's a link but you could
3:15:54also just type it in naked mouth check
3:15:55us out wisconsin did you ever see any
3:15:57guns in the halderson house i think i
3:15:59asked about it but i think he said that
3:16:00they had it at the uh
3:16:02wherever their cabin was
3:16:05um what did you do with what did
3:16:06chandler do with the gun were you able
3:16:08to figure out where he put it in the
3:16:09house yeah he had initially so if you
3:16:11would walk down the fly stairs in the
3:16:12basement you would look left there was
3:16:14like a little wood pile and he had stuck
3:16:15it in the middle section there
3:16:17because it was i understood that they
3:16:19might not be happy about having this
3:16:20firearm so but he had told me he was
3:16:23going to be moving soon to do a career
3:16:25in spacex in florida so he was just
3:16:27going to take it with him and
3:16:29move out there with it okay
3:16:31were there any magazines so there's
3:16:32fooling number two that came with the
3:16:34gun yes sir three
3:16:37three
3:16:38um and
3:16:40those all went with that gun yes sir how
3:16:42did were they loaded when you gave them
3:16:44to them not initially sir how did they
3:16:45become loaded i think we were
3:16:47bullshitting with the magazine sir and
3:16:49both of the center were like he was
3:16:51asking me how to load it so i was like
3:16:52oh you just
3:16:53and i was showing them how to pack the
3:16:55magazine sure
3:16:56um aside from and i think we've got it
3:16:59but aside from the gun that the three
3:17:01magazines the ammo can and then the 400
3:17:04some rounds of ammunition was there
3:17:06anything else related to the gun that
3:17:07you gave the chandler uh the optic that
3:17:09came on the weapon
3:17:10the sight for most people if people
3:17:12aren't gun people what's an optic
3:17:14it's the same thing okay essentially if
3:17:16i showed you that gun would you
3:17:17recognize it yes sir okay um you're not
3:17:19going to touch it the detectives in fact
3:17:21are going to touch it but it's already
3:17:22been received into evidence
3:17:24in this case
3:17:26[Music]
3:17:32i think he asked for on discord i just
3:17:34realized now you guys posted the
3:17:35pictures for the girlfriend
3:17:37thank you
3:17:51[Music]
3:17:58so this is
3:17:59detective chunk who i think you've met
3:18:00in this case does that appear to be the
3:18:01weapon that you get chandler can you
3:18:03flip it over
3:18:04i want to check be sure
3:18:06let me check the cereal too
3:18:10bring it closer
3:18:11and uh looking at this zoomed in picture
3:18:13of the serial number from the driver's
3:18:14license photo you can stand up if you
3:18:16need to would you confirm to me if
3:18:18that's the serial number in fact on that
3:18:19weapon
3:18:22i need to touch it lick it
3:18:28yeah he's checking for sure every single
3:18:30number in digit i would just browse and
3:18:32see two three numbers and be like all
3:18:34right
3:18:35he's not playing
3:18:36i think just because you weren't
3:18:37speaking into the microphone because i
3:18:38asked you to stand up that last response
3:18:40yes that is the serial number
3:18:42yes sir okay
3:18:46the magazines themselves um
3:18:50would you recognize those if you saw
3:18:51them yes sir also
3:18:54well i don't remember my brain doesn't
3:18:56always work correctly sometimes but i
3:18:58can remember most things for firearms so
3:19:00i know two of them should be made by
3:19:02promag and then one has a metal bottom
3:19:04with some black screwed up something on
3:19:07it
3:19:08when you gave chandler um
3:19:10the three magazines and obviously
3:19:12there's one gun but there's three
3:19:13magazines there's a good deal of
3:19:14ammunition you know several hundred
3:19:16rounds
3:19:17400 were you kidding me
3:19:19were you giving yo this dude knows his
3:19:21stuff he's not playing
3:19:23correct 480 sir him everything you had
3:19:26related to that gun yes sir okay did you
3:19:28have any reason to keep any of the other
3:19:29things
3:19:31no sir
3:19:32okay
3:19:34just one second we're gonna show you
3:19:35some other stuff
3:19:36gotta get it right
3:19:38i know the numbers everything serial
3:19:40number
3:19:43and this is the
3:19:44prosecutor
3:19:46i want to see what they were talking
3:19:47about with the defense
3:19:56and this might take a second
3:20:00hey you don't play man you got to be
3:20:01right
3:20:03hmm
3:20:14but again you'll notice the defect is
3:20:15wearing gloves so he'll show you
3:20:17anything and he'll turn things around if
3:20:18you ask him but we'll have to ask you
3:20:19not to touch anything
3:20:21roger
3:20:24military mode too
3:20:32just so the jury knows because of the
3:20:34break that we had in suspending the
3:20:36trial i asked the detectives to reseal
3:20:39all of the evidence boxes since we
3:20:41weren't going to be able to access them
3:20:42for a number of days and that's the the
3:20:45process that's happening at this time
3:20:48so that's where they're all
3:20:51right
3:20:53chandler got sick huh
3:20:56that's what hoax said
3:21:01and so
3:21:02would you flip that box over
3:21:05showing you what's been marked as uh 288
3:21:07does that appear to be a magazine
3:21:08consistent with what you gave mr
3:21:09halderson
3:21:10yes sir okay and what defining
3:21:12characteristics are on that magazine
3:21:14that lead you to believe that is in fact
3:21:15one you gave him the big ugly splash on
3:21:17the bottom of the magazine sir all right
3:21:19and i'll have to display that for the
3:21:20jury
3:21:32all right and so we're going to do the
3:21:34same process with the
3:21:35next two
3:21:37the next exhibit we're going to deal
3:21:38with
3:21:38is 289.
3:21:40i feel like we're gonna have to order
3:21:41some food
3:21:42some vega
3:21:44delivery
3:21:48[Music]
3:22:04myself
3:22:07[Applause]
3:22:19he gets there
3:22:35i have a friend that was like really
3:22:36really into guns i told the story
3:22:38multiple times
3:22:39he invited me over to his house one time
3:22:41he had a really nice house
3:22:43he had this cabinet he was a it was a
3:22:45room
3:22:46and he had this cabinet full of guns man
3:22:48i think it was two cabins
3:22:49like from the almost from the floor to
3:22:51the ceiling
3:22:54handguns i think he had some assault
3:22:56rifles or something shotguns
3:22:59they had a desert eagle i was like yo it
3:23:01looks so cool always wanted to hold it
3:23:02there should eagles hey man hey those
3:23:04people right hey bro yeah hold it bro
3:23:07yeah
3:23:08yeah no it's cool man
3:23:10all right so i hold it this is cool it's
3:23:12really heavy
3:23:13yeah man go ahead pull trigger bro and
3:23:16now i'm good man you know i don't really
3:23:18play with it yeah bro yeah it's all good
3:23:20there's nothing in there
3:23:23that's not good so i give it back to him
3:23:26he checks it and there was actually a
3:23:28bullet in that [ __ ] there's a girl man
3:23:31um he's like i'm sorry i told you and
3:23:32that's what i'm supposed to be one of
3:23:34the gun rules you don't just shoot
3:23:36or try to pull a trigger like that you
3:23:38know what i'm saying
3:23:39i never forget that story
3:23:42my friend john we're still cool but
3:23:44again same process we're showing you 289
3:23:46you can ask that be moved any way you'd
3:23:48like
3:23:50does that appear to be consistent with
3:23:51the magazine that you gave chamber home
3:23:53yes sir and would that fit in the to the
3:23:55sks rifle that you just looked at yes
3:23:57sir okay
3:23:59we'll go to the next one and while the
3:24:01detective's pulling up the next one um
3:24:03the last one which
3:24:04i can touch the outside is exhibit 288
3:24:07um
3:24:08you yourself have fired this gun in the
3:24:09past yes sir
3:24:11[Music]
3:24:14what do you mean those people naked mel
3:24:16cancel
3:24:22yeah that's true i'm glad are you aware
3:24:23exactly how much ammunition
3:24:25you gave the chandler yes sir how much
3:24:27uh the box family that i have purchased
3:24:29had 500 rounds in it sir i've shot
3:24:31roughly 20 didn't enjoy the firearm and
3:24:33gave him 480 rounds
3:24:36and when you say 480 is that an estimate
3:24:37or do you know that to be exact that
3:24:39should be precise
3:24:41while you were here in wisconsin
3:24:42chandler did you all fire the weapon no
3:24:44sir
3:24:58yeah i just wanted for protection but
3:25:00i'm not like
3:25:01one of those fanatics
3:25:07that friend was kind of
3:25:20might even be watching
3:25:52[Music]
3:25:57so
3:26:05[Music]
3:26:12is that consistent with the magazine you
3:26:13gave chandler yes sir
3:26:18it
3:26:18and check the cereal
3:26:20and the markings on there did you
3:26:22discuss with chandler when you gave him
3:26:23the weapon
3:26:25in june of this past year um
3:26:28anything more about what he was going to
3:26:29do with it other than i think he said he
3:26:30was going to move to florida with his
3:26:32new job anything else did you discuss
3:26:34was he going to go hunting anything like
3:26:35that
3:26:37i don't believe so sir okay
3:26:41you said you visited him over the course
3:26:42of a couple days did you give it to him
3:26:44right away or later on in the weekend i
3:26:46think it was
3:26:47get a job welcome legend i watched your
3:26:50last video man appreciate the content
3:26:52get a job
3:26:54you guys can go check out his channel if
3:26:56you're not gonna get triggered get a
3:26:58job it was either
3:27:01sunday that i gave it to him or someday
3:27:03on saturday that i gave it to him
3:27:05after you gave it to him and he placed
3:27:06it i think you said under some was under
3:27:08boards and it was uh
3:27:12so it was almost like a bench like this
3:27:13but there's a hollow center that had
3:27:15stuff stacked inside of it and you just
3:27:16kind of shoved it in there since there
3:27:17was stuff blocking the front path of it
3:27:19from view
3:27:20do you know where did the gun ever come
3:27:22out after he put it in there did you
3:27:23ever see it again uh
3:27:26we could have sir i think we could have
3:27:27played around with it just showing how
3:27:29it works and
3:27:30like keep in mind i had this weapon for
3:27:32a couple months just had it sit in my
3:27:34safe so i've had plenty of time to
3:27:36figure out a little bit of the ins and
3:27:37outs of it so okay did he place do you
3:27:40know where chandler placed the magazines
3:27:42or the ammo box i don't recall sir okay
3:27:49did chandler tell you anything more
3:27:50about his job at spacex
3:27:52not really sir just said he had an
3:27:54opportunity that he was looking forward
3:27:55to okay
3:27:57um
3:27:58you left at some points and you continue
3:28:00talking to chandler playing video games
3:28:01after you went back home yes sir
3:28:03uh at some point did chandler suffer
3:28:05some sort of injury yes sir as far as i
3:28:08know he went and uh
3:28:10he went down the stairs and had fell
3:28:13somehow
3:28:14and screwed up his head or his neck
3:28:16okay
3:28:17and did that injury according to
3:28:19chandler did that end up impacting his
3:28:20job or anything like that
3:28:22as far as i knew he
3:28:24so it seemed that because of the injury
3:28:26he wasn't gonna be able to take a flight
3:28:28out to florida to do this spacex thing
3:28:32but
3:28:32other than that he didn't really explain
3:28:34what was wrong just
3:28:36that he wasn't going to be able to fly
3:28:37out there and he wasn't able to look at
3:28:39computer screens or anything like that
3:28:41with
3:28:42so much blur on the screen or motion
3:28:44blur
3:28:46did you find out at some point that
3:28:47chamber's parents were missing
3:28:49yes sir how did you find out it was
3:28:52shortly after the 4th of july when i had
3:28:53came back from texas from visiting my
3:28:55other buddy
3:28:57he had gave me a
3:28:58sort of
3:29:00not hysterical per se but
3:29:02a pretty upsetting call that his parents
3:29:04hadn't got back to him or he hadn't seen
3:29:06them
3:29:07sure and then the cadence of things was
3:29:09this this was after the head injury yes
3:29:11sir
3:29:12the chandler tell you anything about the
3:29:13head injury in terms of specifics about
3:29:15what was going to happen or he told me
3:29:17that he would have to wear a neck brace
3:29:19and that they were supposed to drill a
3:29:21hole in his head or something like that
3:29:22to alleviate some sort of pressure okay
3:29:26[Music]
3:29:28did you talk to chandler about his
3:29:29parents being missing yes sir um tell me
3:29:32about those conversations well day one
3:29:34when he told us because he had told me
3:29:36and my friend that he's friends with
3:29:38that i visited when i was down in texas
3:29:41he told us that they had been missing so
3:29:43we both suggested to him that hey if
3:29:46this is really a big concern for you you
3:29:47might want to contact law enforcement
3:29:49immediately okay what did chandler say
3:29:51to that he said well they might they
3:29:53might turn up so i'll just wait a few
3:29:54days and
3:29:56so it goes
3:29:57after that conversation do you recall
3:29:59having any other conversations with
3:30:00chairman about his parents being missing
3:30:02uh just
3:30:03think talking about how or where they
3:30:05could end up it or
3:30:08what was going on with the situation
3:30:10was chandler expressing worry to you or
3:30:12that he was concerned he seemed
3:30:13concerned yes
3:30:21that's true there's a lot of at some
3:30:23point um
3:30:24sure and obviously now you're aware that
3:30:26chandler was arrested
3:30:27for what happened yes sir um
3:30:32you began having to have some
3:30:33conversations with law enforcement
3:30:35because a gun that was found very close
3:30:37to
3:30:38bart halderson chandler's father
3:30:41was that gun that we just showed you um
3:30:43and so law enforcement started talking
3:30:45to you right
3:30:46yes well i'd reach out to them
3:30:47immediately upon figuring out that he
3:30:49had been arrested
3:30:51um you've been cooperative with law
3:30:52enforcement the whole time haven't you
3:30:54i'm not going to be a broken piece of
3:30:55glass sir
3:30:57meaning you'll help if you need to yes
3:30:59okay
3:31:00um the police in fact visited you down
3:31:03in your where you live at some point yes
3:31:05sir um
3:31:06you when asked had given them access to
3:31:09things like bank records or your phone
3:31:11and things of that sort yes sir and
3:31:12you've provided photographs whenever you
3:31:14could yes sir why was that important to
3:31:16you to assist
3:31:17well to put it blankly sir
3:31:19i served in the army and i'm not going
3:31:21to get [ __ ] for something that i
3:31:22didn't do
3:31:25where were you july 1st july 2nd 2021
3:31:28crystal beach texas sir in fact what is
3:31:30exhibit 566 looks like my bank statement
3:31:33sir and where's that bank statement show
3:31:34that you are
3:31:35so if you follow this down
3:31:37so
3:31:40you can see that i went and did some
3:31:42sort of purchase at a gas station at
3:31:43texas at 702
3:31:46then
3:31:47follow this down 702 lefken texas and
3:31:50then keep following it down you see 702
3:31:52crystals
3:31:54keep falling down you can see left hand
3:31:56against her and then crystal beach sir
3:31:59and then
3:32:01more personally that crystal beach texas
3:32:03sir and then a few interdispersed things
3:32:06that my wife had been purchasing at
3:32:07dollar tree apparently and where was she
3:32:09at she was in manhattan or junction city
3:32:11sir junction city and and all of these
3:32:14purchases and this is a bank statement
3:32:15from the first
3:32:17looks like through the 10th
3:32:19there's not a single one from wisconsin
3:32:20correct no sir nothing from illinois
3:32:23no no sir iowa
3:32:26no sir minnesota
3:32:28unless i have the power of god to
3:32:30teleport sir i don't think that's gonna
3:32:31occur understood i'll move 566 in the
3:32:33evidence
3:32:41looks like through the 10th
3:32:43there's not a single one from wisconsin
3:32:45correct no sir nothing from illinois
3:32:48no no sir iowa
3:32:50no sir minnesota
3:32:53unless i have the power of god to
3:32:54teleport sir i don't think that's going
3:32:55to occur understood i'll move 566 in
3:32:58evidence
3:33:00it's received
3:33:02i don't think it needs to be published i
3:33:03think your bank statements can can just
3:33:06be right there haven't been redacted
3:33:08they have been redacted ultimately is
3:33:10how broke i am
3:33:12that's fine
3:33:13um
3:33:15and in fact at times you're aware that
3:33:17the police verified your location in
3:33:19other ways phone records and things like
3:33:20that i'm sure they did sir yeah um you
3:33:23were never in wisconsin in july of 2021.
3:33:26no sir
3:33:30nothing to do with me thank you leslie
3:33:32for the membership appreciate it
3:33:35snap one second
3:33:39[Music]
3:33:40thank you sir
3:33:42cross-examination oh it's time afternoon
3:33:44mr smith good afternoon
3:33:48i'd like to first uh ask you a few
3:33:50questions about that sks that you
3:33:53purchased
3:33:54is it correct that you purchased that
3:33:55initially for yourself yes sir or ma'am
3:33:58sorry
3:34:01uh
3:34:02you're
3:34:03is it fair to say you're interested in
3:34:05guns
3:34:06in firearms yes ma'am
3:34:09you said you went and fired that sks
3:34:13maybe 20 times
3:34:15i had shot it once and put 20 rounds to
3:34:17the the rifle itself through my hands
3:34:19man
3:34:21after that you decided it wasn't that
3:34:23appealing to you no ma'am
3:34:26just too much kick too much of
3:34:29anything that didn't make me happy about
3:34:31the weapon
3:34:33what do you mean by too much kick
3:34:35so each caliber of weapon or bullet
3:34:38will fire x amount of powder through it
3:34:40so for example the sks would shoot 762
3:34:42by 39 or whatever it is in russia
3:34:47it shoots a bigger payload of powder
3:34:49versus 556-223 which shoots up to 27
3:34:52grains of powder so it's not as much
3:34:54kick but you can still put enough
3:34:55firepower down range
3:34:57why is the kick make it unappealing to
3:34:59you
3:35:00because if i had to defend my family
3:35:03from a home intruder i think 556 is
3:35:06going to be a lot easier a lot faster
3:35:07for me to react with than a 762 by 39
3:35:09round
3:35:12compared to other guns or firearms that
3:35:15you've
3:35:16used
3:35:18the sks is somewhat louder than similar
3:35:21type firearms correct
3:35:24not necessarily it depends
3:35:26it really depends on a lot of things
3:35:28alone where the location is if you're in
3:35:32a
3:35:33let's say you're unit in here it's going
3:35:35to be loud as hell because there's all
3:35:36the encasing around you if you're
3:35:38outside it's going to be
3:35:40not as loud but it's still going to be
3:35:42pretty loud
3:35:44louder than a handgun
3:35:46not necessarily
3:35:48under similar circumstances louder than
3:35:50a handgun possibly yes
3:35:56now you're familiar with your
3:35:57familiarity with firearms you're
3:35:59familiar with the terms of flash
3:36:01suppressor or flash hider yes ma'am
3:36:05and what are those
3:36:06so
3:36:07a flash hider
3:36:10depending on what you have it can make
3:36:12either the ball flame that comes out of
3:36:14it a lot bigger it can make it so when
3:36:15you're shooting or at a prone position
3:36:17when you're firing the weapon gets
3:36:19pulled forward versus sending recoil
3:36:21back so it's not as much
3:36:23and it really depends on what you're
3:36:24talking about specifically you can't
3:36:26just throw
3:36:27a flash hider in with one of the other
3:36:29things because they all do different
3:36:30things
3:36:31potentially they could also reduce the
3:36:32sound not necessarily unless you have a
3:36:35suppressor
3:36:36so a flash suppressor can reduce the
3:36:38sound a flash suppress if you can go out
3:36:40and buy a suppressor with a tack stamp
3:36:42yes
3:36:44so could any kind of silencer
3:36:46yes ma'am and you didn't provide any of
3:36:49those with this sks when you no matter
3:36:53how the sks is barrel at the end of it
3:36:56regardless it's kind of an active guide
3:36:58almost to put a suppressor on so
3:37:01there's barrel threading which was not
3:37:03on this sks at the end of it there might
3:37:05be a special attachment you can get and
3:37:07purchase and put onto this firearm
3:37:09but unless you have certain special
3:37:11attachments it might not necessarily fit
3:37:13in correctly or
3:37:15seed correctly which can cause problems
3:37:17itself and cause an obstruction
3:37:19bottom line though this sks that you
3:37:22gifted mr halderson didn't have any of
3:37:24that no ma'am it's the standard end of
3:37:27an ak-74 essentially
3:37:32now when you gifted this
3:37:34sks to mr halderson
3:37:37you talked about
3:37:38this procedure you use with
3:37:41taking a photo of someone's driver's
3:37:43license with their with the serial
3:37:45number from the firearm
3:37:49that's not something you only have done
3:37:51with mr helderson it's something you've
3:37:54done anytime you've sold transferred or
3:37:56gifted firearms correct yes ma'am
3:37:59and you've done that several times
3:38:02yes ma'am how many
3:38:05depends
3:38:06on a lot of things
3:38:07if i have so
3:38:10i can have an ar-15 that i'll buy and
3:38:12i'll build it and then it'll sit in my
3:38:13safe for whatever reason for a long time
3:38:15and then i can go like oh okay well
3:38:19let's go and sell it
3:38:20but as for how many i've sold that's
3:38:23none of your business frankly
3:38:26okay
3:38:31hey
3:38:33that's really all i have thank you
3:38:35any redirect
3:38:36may this witness be excused and released
3:38:39he is both the president got nothing yes
3:38:41thank you sir have a good question all
3:38:43the axe is how to use a gun that's it
3:38:45they have nothing
3:38:46your day and how much you sold
3:38:49thank you
3:38:51and the next witness please
3:38:58damn was that like that the whole time
3:39:16all right who's this next should we um
3:39:18i don't know what you guys want to do
3:39:19we're almost sad uh four hours
3:39:22i hear the girlfriend's testimony is
3:39:24good
3:39:27so we got chandler's girlfriend kat
3:39:30and latoya thank you for the links
3:39:32cat's mother here the links for
3:39:34channel's trial very interesting and
3:39:36good
3:39:39challenge girlfriend
3:39:42and then we got dulce
3:39:46which is the girlfriend's mother
3:39:48and then testimony from crest
3:39:52we'll say melinda's partner
3:39:57okay so the mother's girlfriend okay
3:40:00oh i see i see i think we should watch
3:40:02the girlfriend thing
3:40:05unless if you guys want to keep going
3:40:07you're done
3:40:08we're kind of like at four hours we can
3:40:09we can continue another day
3:40:12we could we could we could you know
3:40:13maybe tomorrow or something
3:40:18maybe we should get some rest all right
3:40:22hey i'm saying the girlfriend next
3:40:24girlfriend next why are we stopping now
3:40:29the girlfriend next
3:40:31see where uh the link she sent me
3:40:37how long is the girlfriend's testimony
3:40:39okay
3:40:40scales of justice posted this
3:40:46all right so the girlfriend's testimony
3:40:49let me take a quick peek it's about
3:40:54hey it's about an hour long it's a long
3:40:56ride
3:40:58it's a long ride but they're showing
3:41:00pictures video
3:41:05you work in the healthcare
3:41:07i don't know how you guys feeling man
3:41:09you guys want to keep going for real
3:41:11saying goodnight
3:41:13girlfriend doesn't open up
3:41:15unless you're ready to go i don't know
3:41:17my butt kind of hurts i need to just
3:41:18walk around a little bit
3:41:20we could call it we could we could do a
3:41:23drink drink drink
3:41:28rest for the wicked
3:41:30crest is the best to listen to is it
3:41:35who's the best to listen to wait wait
3:41:36yeah hold on you guys tell me people
3:41:38that have watched this who's the best to
3:41:39listen to
3:41:42chris is awesome her testimony smart
3:41:44woman okay hold on let's do a vote who
3:41:45we listen to right now next because
3:41:48i don't want to commit to an hour if
3:41:50it's not that great so
3:41:52let's see something who's next let me
3:41:53type it out
3:41:56who's next
3:41:58okay
3:42:01and let me put okay so we got
3:42:05see these names here
3:42:07we got cat
3:42:08chandler's girlfriend
3:42:13[Music]
3:42:15and then we got
3:42:21dulce melinder which is cat's mother
3:42:27okay
3:42:30and then i want to add one more
3:42:33and i hear you guys talking about crest
3:42:35they're saying crest is a really good
3:42:37one
3:42:38press do say melinda's partner
3:42:42partner partner
3:42:44let's ask the community
3:42:48well it's too long of a question
3:42:50okay crest
3:42:56it will say partner rule says
3:43:00can i put it in quotations that'd be
3:43:02funny as hell no
3:43:04i want to do that okay let's do it
3:43:07i asked the question
3:43:11all right let's see so there's the poll
3:43:13right now we can run a poll
3:43:20the thing is if we start a few minutes
3:43:22or something where i think we're gonna
3:43:23have to finish it i think we need to
3:43:24pick kind of decide on one
3:43:27and then go with it play your chaos
3:43:28thank you so much for the membership hey
3:43:30mel happy friday the trial was a good
3:43:32one i watched the whole thing but love
3:43:34that you're here sharing it thanks for
3:43:35all you do thank you please and thank
3:43:36you for being a member
3:43:38you ready for more damn all right all
3:43:40right oh [ __ ] the voting is kind of
3:43:41tight all right go ahead and put in your
3:43:43vote give it a minute
3:43:45let me close out some of these windows
3:43:47like 100 windows open
3:43:49i might have to go pour myself
3:43:51whatever's left
3:43:54whatever's left
3:44:00correct chris not the toothpaste i'm
3:44:02probably saying crest
3:44:04this is the crest
3:44:08uh let me just before i tally the volts
3:44:11row
3:44:12real quick let me just say um
3:44:14thank you to dread head for the super
3:44:16chat what's wrong with these freaks oh
3:44:18you canceled for that chrissy thank you
3:44:20for the membership so grateful to be
3:44:21here props to mel for holding it down
3:44:22for the best community on the internet
3:44:24thank you lisa marie four hours ago i
3:44:26love your content mel i love to see you
3:44:28growing you deserve it thank you
3:44:30who else did i get everyone beth thank
3:44:32you for the super chat
3:44:34bad enough to kill your parents but then
3:44:35dismember the monster the neighbors
3:44:37thought there was a big
3:44:39pig roast the day he burned the heads in
3:44:41the fireplace because the place because
3:44:44of the smell on the street
3:44:47and smith thank you for the super chat
3:44:48haven't had this much fun on on a friday
3:44:50in years
3:44:51thank you me too
3:44:53dread head thank you for the super chat
3:44:54love you ick love you too man leslie p
3:44:57wait for it y'all it's coming plan your
3:44:59k okay we got everything
3:45:01all right so let's run the
3:45:02votes let's see
3:45:05i think right now uh crest wait i put
3:45:08crest somebody said it's crest not crest
3:45:10is that what you're saying oh somebody
3:45:12type crest
3:45:14it's not chris
3:45:16it's crest
3:45:17who's chris
3:45:19chris okay so let me say one more time
3:45:20and then you can put in your votes
3:45:23so the options are
3:45:26we can get the testimony of cat which is
3:45:29chandler's girlfriend chandler's a
3:45:31psychopath
3:45:33and he had a girlfriend so we can hear
3:45:35her testimony
3:45:37or we could hear
3:45:38the girlfriend's mother's testimony
3:45:41cat's mother dulce
3:45:44or we could hear cress which is the
3:45:46mother's partner
3:45:47the mother had a i guess a girlfriend or
3:45:50um
3:45:51or fiance or something like that and so
3:45:53far from the people i'm hearing
3:45:56they're saying cress was all the people
3:45:57that watch this they've been hitting me
3:45:58up i watched the whole thing all right
3:46:00so which one we should we watch
3:46:03crest crest crest crit
3:46:05chris is the girlfriend of cat's mom
3:46:07right
3:46:09they're engaged okay
3:46:12everybody's saying chris all right and
3:46:14the vote let me see the vote is let's
3:46:16end the poll
3:46:18this is kind of fun
3:46:21i guess we're doing discord on here
3:46:22tonight
3:46:23okay
3:46:2450
3:46:25say crest or crest
3:46:2842 say cat the girlfriend and six
3:46:30percent say dulce
3:46:32dulce
3:46:34all right so let's do chris
3:46:38let's see
3:46:39oh crazy bro that's a girlfriend
3:46:42that's chris
3:46:50all right
3:46:52[Music]
3:46:57thank you all
3:46:59please be seated
3:47:02what are we doing with
3:47:03she's a tough cookie oh wow okay let's
3:47:05hear it
3:47:07attorney raymond
3:47:08people have smoking the dominion voting
3:47:10system has voted
3:47:13um quest i'm going to approach you and
3:47:15show you a series
3:47:16of pictures of things found on your
3:47:19property and talk to you about those
3:47:21[Music]
3:47:29all right let's stretch up
3:47:32[Music]
3:47:36first i'm going to show you what has
3:47:38been marked as exhibits 58 through 63.
3:47:44do you just want to look through those
3:47:47absolutely
3:47:50[Music]
3:47:58[Music]
3:48:02a lot of people telling me chris they're
3:48:03saying she's good i got a cup i got a
3:48:05message too couple messages people
3:48:06telling me cress
3:48:08balls
3:48:09questions here
3:48:11um
3:48:13and we're going to testimony about this
3:48:14later but exhibit 58
3:48:17um is a garbage can found in the woods
3:48:20uh did you keep a rubbermaid or a black
3:48:22rubber garbage can
3:48:24in your woods
3:48:25no
3:48:28and exhibit 59 is that what is that a
3:48:31picture of
3:48:32um that's an old uh i don't know if it's
3:48:35fuel oil or gas it's
3:48:37for scrap
3:48:38and just haven't took it to the salvage
3:48:40yard yet okay um did you keep any tools
3:48:43in exhibit 59
3:48:45in there yes no
3:48:50what is picture
3:48:5160
3:48:54that's the entrance to my driveway and
3:48:57i don't recognize the car there's a bag
3:49:00and that's where i keep my recycling and
3:49:02my trash and that bag appears to be a
3:49:04target bag
3:49:05um i think so i'm not sure
3:49:08and 61 is a close-up of the same right
3:49:15and
3:49:1662 and 63 are some
3:49:19items that were found in that target bag
3:49:21did those items belong to your house
3:49:24no
3:49:25did you
3:49:27uh throw those items away no
3:49:29and your father is 94 you said yes only
3:49:32other person that lives there
3:49:34right well my brother what he was
3:49:36assisted living at the time okay um so
3:49:40your father would take great effort to
3:49:42go and throw anything away outside
3:49:44no he couldn't
3:49:48state at this time would move exhibits
3:49:52it says you have you may have missed
3:49:54part of our testimony the beginning part
3:49:56so this is not it
3:49:57[Music]
3:50:00this later
3:50:03[Music]
3:50:06not the start of it
3:50:08it kind of looked really strong i'm
3:50:09going to show you what has been marked
3:50:11as exhibits 58 through 63. did i miss
3:50:15that
3:50:20do you just want to look through those
3:50:22pictures
3:50:22do i need to get a different video you
3:50:24guys tell me
3:50:25i thought it looked like the start to me
3:50:26but maybe i started a little bit ahead
3:50:28yeah this is the defense
3:50:31oh so it starts with the prosecutor is
3:50:33that how it starts and then it goes to
3:50:34the defense
3:50:36oh
3:50:37okay hold on
3:50:38the plug gave me this uh video
3:50:42plug
3:50:53this is on day three
3:51:00that's not the beginning okay all right
3:51:02they're saying it's not to start
3:51:04all right let me see if i can find a
3:51:05start then
3:51:06um
3:51:07that's day three
3:51:19okay here's
3:51:29videos
3:51:32day three
3:51:42somebody sent me the link if they got it
3:51:44trying to find it right now
3:51:47you are
3:51:48no no no let me go see
3:51:55this this is the prosecution oh look
3:51:58that's the prosecutor
3:51:59which one is it then
3:52:02i see that this is supposed let me see
3:52:03hold on a second let's see
3:52:06search right from the medical examiner
3:52:09could have happened away no i think it's
3:52:11two different people that i think this
3:52:12is the whole thing you know
3:52:15it's about 47 47 minutes
3:52:29no it's not it's not the full thing
3:52:33okay
3:52:36uh let me see if i can find it then
3:52:40uh do say okay chris
3:52:48okay
3:52:50uh
3:52:50do say
3:53:05it's so funny to see people no that's
3:53:06the defense no that's the prosecutor
3:53:07that's the defense
3:53:09okay
3:53:13prosecutor speed up to the good part
3:53:16it's at the end of another oh my god
3:53:20all right so let me let me find day
3:53:22three then if i can find day three
3:53:30powder
3:53:36day three
3:53:41okay we got the whole thing all right
3:53:43you want the whole thing okay the whole
3:53:45thing okay
3:53:46all right don't worry i got you okay
3:53:48that's not the full thing it's missing
3:53:50two minutes
3:53:51okay now we're gonna go through eight
3:53:53hours how about that
3:53:57okay so here
3:54:02right
3:54:03they take a break
3:54:05let's see
3:54:07that day in the
3:54:08kind of surprise
3:54:16there we go is this enough
3:54:20i could fast forward it too you guys
3:54:21wanted to play a little bit on fast
3:54:22forward
3:54:25wasn't gonna sound weird
3:54:35good morning good morning if you believe
3:54:37you can do so safely and responsibly
3:54:40so this is the whole thing right we're
3:54:41good enough i appreciate you guys
3:54:43calling it out thanks fine without a
3:54:44mask would be our preference would that
3:54:46be something you could uh feel that you
3:54:48could do today uh no
3:54:50all right if you
3:54:51let me try what what is the
3:54:53what is the speed that the kids are
3:54:54doing now one point two five or one
3:54:56point let's see 1.25 prefer to maintain
3:54:59your mask i understand pull the
3:55:00microphone much closer because it
3:55:02doesn't level our sound naturally okay
3:55:04no that's too much right 1.25 i think
3:55:06right and if i have trouble hearing you
3:55:08and i'm really close to you i'll ask you
3:55:09to do even closer just so everybody
3:55:11who's a little further away can hear and
3:55:13as you can hear the blowers are on this
3:55:14morning so
3:55:15muffle sound a little bit thank you
3:55:17please proceed attorney raymond i don't
3:55:18know is that too fast thank you could
3:55:20you please state your full name both
3:55:22first and last for the record and then
3:55:24spell both your first and last name
3:55:25crescent plus i c-r-e-s
3:55:34do you know somebody by the name of
3:55:36dulce melander yes i do how do you know
3:55:38her oh she's my girlfriend
3:55:40okay and uh does she refer to you often
3:55:42as press yes everyone mostly does and
3:55:44you can as well
3:55:46and do you know somebody by the name of
3:55:48katherine melander yes i do how do you
3:55:51know
3:55:52i know orthodoxy she's her daughter
3:55:55and through catherine or cat did you
3:55:57become acquainted with somebody by the
3:55:58name of chandler halderson yes
3:56:01and i'd ask the judge will probably ask
3:56:02everyone to remove their masks beside
3:56:04you and the jury um but do you see mr
3:56:06halderson chandler in the courtroom
3:56:08today yes i do okay all right let's just
3:56:10do a normal then
3:56:12we'll go through it normally if you look
3:56:14at the faces i'll ask everyone not in
3:56:15the jury box to lower their mask and
3:56:17then replace their mask please
3:56:20go ahead and answer the question if you
3:56:21could yes could you just let us know
3:56:23where he's seated and perhaps the color
3:56:25of his shirt
3:56:27well he's sitting over
3:56:28across the room over there he's got a
3:56:30blue tie on
3:56:31okay i'd ask the record to reflect that
3:56:33the witness has identified the defendant
3:56:36it shall
3:56:40what sort of relationship did you have
3:56:43with chandler
3:56:45in june
3:56:47or so of 2021
3:56:50this year yes
3:56:52well well last year technically because
3:56:54it's january but yeah true yeah
3:56:56um well you know i didn't spend a whole
3:56:58lot of time with chandler
3:57:00but you know to know him through
3:57:02catherine mostly
3:57:03most of the times i saw him were either
3:57:05get togethers or or through her
3:57:08okay
3:57:09and
3:57:10roughly where do you live
3:57:13in cottage grove camp in a world part of
3:57:16cottage grove yes
3:57:19and
3:57:20just while i approach you i'm gonna put
3:57:22my mask on
3:57:24thank you
3:57:25nobody's ever complained i was quiet
3:57:30i'm gonna show you what's been marked
3:57:32and received
3:57:37[Music]
3:57:39is this an overhead picture of your
3:57:42property in cottage grove
3:57:45yes it is
3:57:46okay um
3:57:49so your house you can barely see the
3:57:51roof right there is that correct that's
3:57:52correct it's in the wooded area okay and
3:57:55that's like the top half almost right in
3:57:57the middle of exhibit 57.
3:57:59and this is a barn or a shed yeah it's
3:58:02an old tobacco shed okay
3:58:04and right here this is a pool yes okay
3:58:08and all of this wooded area
3:58:11is that your property yes
3:58:13and there's more property over here
3:58:15that's not shown true
3:58:17what is on that property
3:58:19you mean the part that's unseen yeah
3:58:22it's um it's all grassy area it's in a
3:58:25crp program a set-aside program so it's
3:58:27just for wildlife so it's like wild
3:58:30flowers
3:58:31some people might describe it as like a
3:58:33briar like a little bit yeah there can
3:58:35be there's actually wild raspberries and
3:58:37things that can grow in there right
3:58:46yeah i guess so for discord july 4th
3:58:48weekend how many times approximately had
3:58:51chandler been out to your property
3:58:54oh i couldn't say exactly i could give
3:58:56you an estimate sure announcement is
3:58:58just fine like 10 or 12 times maybe okay
3:59:01um and did he ever come out there prior
3:59:03to the july 4th weekend by himself or
3:59:06was he always with somebody else he
3:59:08always was with someone else he'd never
3:59:10come out there alone before that i'm
3:59:11aware of okay and generally i assume
3:59:14that was his girlfriend cat
3:59:16yeah
3:59:17she was always with him
3:59:19okay
3:59:24and
3:59:27prior to july 4th weekend what
3:59:29understanding did you have as far as
3:59:32what chandler did for a living
3:59:35well what i understood is he had gotten
3:59:37a job at american family was he was
3:59:40working there as far as i knew
3:59:46and did you have any understanding is if
3:59:48he was attending school or not
3:59:51what do you got yeah you guys let me
3:59:52know i could do a poll
3:59:531.25 i think 1.25 seems pretty standard
3:59:57huh um i wasn't i knew he had been in
3:59:59school but i i didn't know if he was
4:00:00going to school recently it is like it
4:00:03has kind of like slowed down me but i
4:00:04knew he was in school he was
4:00:06getting ready to graduate
4:00:09okay
4:00:11um do you see
4:00:12chandra chandler halderson over the july
4:00:154th weekend yes
4:00:16and
4:00:18what day did you see him
4:00:20on sunday so july 4th itself yes
4:00:25um how did mr halderson behave on that
4:00:29day
4:00:30well he
4:00:32kind of seemed a little
4:00:34not like his self can you describe that
4:00:37what do you mean by that
4:00:40um
4:00:41he just
4:00:43seemed kind of off like
4:00:47kind of weird actually
4:00:49okay um
4:00:51i mean i remember asking how he felt you
4:00:53know because i just you just kind of
4:00:55seemed
4:00:56okay you asked him how he felt what it
4:00:58what did you remember how he responded
4:01:01yeah he just said oh you know i'm i'm
4:01:03i'm doing okay or i'm doing the best
4:01:06that i can and
4:01:08because he
4:01:09had an accident he fell down the stairs
4:01:11or something so i thought maybe it was
4:01:12because of the accident that he was
4:01:14acting off
4:01:15sure was he displaying any physical
4:01:17symptoms on july 4th not that i not that
4:01:21i saw no okay
4:01:22um was he wearing a neck brace at all on
4:01:25july 4th when you saw him no
4:01:28um did he
4:01:30act in any way that he seemed like
4:01:33disabled um did he have any trouble
4:01:35walking or anything like that no i
4:01:38didn't notice that okay
4:01:41um did you have any one-on-one
4:01:43conversations with chandler on july 4th
4:01:47yes
4:01:48tell me about that
4:01:50well shortly after um
4:01:53he was done eating their kids were
4:01:55sitting at the table in my family room
4:01:58and
4:01:59they'd gotten up and i was
4:02:01kind of walking towards the kitchen and
4:02:02he approached me and asked me if he
4:02:04could have my phone number my personal
4:02:06phone number
4:02:07um because he wanted to know if he could
4:02:09come and use the pool
4:02:11okay did you give him your number yeah i
4:02:13gave them my cell number and i also gave
4:02:15them my my landline okay because i don't
4:02:18always answer my cell phone and i don't
4:02:20have voicemail on my cell phone okay did
4:02:22you guys um have any further discussion
4:02:25on that day
4:02:27i don't recall okay
4:02:31um
4:02:32so obviously prior to july 4th he didn't
4:02:35have your number to your knowledge
4:02:37not to my knowledge i didn't give it to
4:02:38him okay and in all fairness when you
4:02:42hung out with chandler prior to july 4th
4:02:45it was always with other people yes
4:02:47namely
4:02:48um dulce and her family correct okay
4:02:53as of july 4th did you have any
4:02:56knowledge about the whereabouts of
4:02:58chandler's parents
4:02:59no i i didn't even know their names
4:03:02did you know whether or not had you
4:03:04heard any stories or anything about them
4:03:06being missing at this point no okay
4:03:10um
4:03:12let's fast forward to the next day
4:03:15monday july 5th
4:03:17did you have any interactions with
4:03:18chandler on monday
4:03:21july 5th yes
4:03:23um
4:03:25what's the first interaction you had
4:03:26with chandler on that day
4:03:29oh the first interaction was i
4:03:32opened up my window i
4:03:33you know i live in a two-story and
4:03:36i saw a car
4:03:38in my driveway came in from outside to
4:03:40get a drink of water and i saw a car and
4:03:41it didn't recognize the car
4:03:43and someone was standing in my driveway
4:03:45and it was it was chandler
4:03:47so i opened the window because he was
4:03:49kind of standing holding his phone and
4:03:52looking around and so i opened the
4:03:54window and i said i asked him if he was
4:03:56okay
4:03:58and he said yeah and i said oh i said
4:04:00are you here to use the pool and he said
4:04:02yeah would that be all right and i said
4:04:04yeah sure were you expecting chandler
4:04:07that day
4:04:08no
4:04:09okay
4:04:11all right so
4:04:13do you remember about what time he
4:04:14showed up to use your pool just
4:04:16approximate if you remember it was it
4:04:18was in the afternoon i just remember
4:04:20coming it was really hot that day i was
4:04:21working on a project
4:04:23and so i came in to get a drink of water
4:04:24so it was probably mid afternoon ish i
4:04:26would say okay
4:04:30and what was chandler like when when you
4:04:32talked to him right there
4:04:34about using the pool was there anything
4:04:37noteworthy you mean when he was in the
4:04:39driveway yeah
4:04:41well he just looked a little kind of
4:04:42spaced out a little bit you know
4:04:45that's why i was kind you know because
4:04:47he kept looking looking around and
4:04:49holding his phone and you know
4:04:53like i said i was just a little startled
4:04:55because i'm like who's who's here you
4:04:57know
4:04:58sure your property is pretty remote yeah
4:05:01it is and your property just to clear
4:05:03things up is in dane county wisconsin
4:05:05correct
4:05:08um so what happened after you told
4:05:10chandler he could use the pool
4:05:13um well
4:05:14he drove up
4:05:17you know because
4:05:18if you come i live on a hill and when
4:05:21you come to the driveway it's kind of in
4:05:22the middle of the hill and so you have
4:05:23to drive further up the hill to where
4:05:25the pool is
4:05:27so he he drove up there
4:05:30okay
4:05:32um did you see at this time when he was
4:05:34going to
4:05:35use the pool
4:05:37did you see it this time where he parked
4:05:41no i did not see where he had parked at
4:05:43that time
4:05:44all right so he do you guys have any
4:05:47further discussion before he goes to
4:05:50use the pool
4:05:52um he
4:05:53he did come down
4:05:55to where i was working on my project
4:05:57which was putting on a ramp on my deck i
4:06:00was putting a ramp so that
4:06:01my father and my brother could get up
4:06:03and down the deck in their
4:06:06on the scooter in the wheelchairs okay
4:06:08and so when i was working on that he'd
4:06:11come down
4:06:13was he come there's a hill that comes
4:06:15leads down to my house
4:06:17and he'd come walking down that hill
4:06:20and then we had a conversation
4:06:24what did you guys talk about
4:06:26well um
4:06:28he
4:06:29was telling me about
4:06:30his
4:06:32accident he said he was at a doctor's
4:06:34appointment
4:06:35and so he was talking to me about what
4:06:37the doctor had said and what was going
4:06:39on did he tell you when that appointment
4:06:41had been
4:06:42i don't remember okay
4:06:45um
4:06:46what did he say occurred
4:06:49well he told me that he had like
4:06:51damage
4:06:52and i asked him where
4:06:54and he said in this area of his head
4:06:57in the back of his head and
4:06:59all right so you you put your hand right
4:07:01above the top of your neck back here
4:07:03yeah okay
4:07:04the back of his head
4:07:06and he's did he elaborate on what that
4:07:08damage was
4:07:09well he said it wasn't good that they
4:07:11might have to do some surgery or
4:07:13something and that he said he was having
4:07:15trouble
4:07:17like with numbers and he said he got
4:07:19lost he had to use a gps he's just like
4:07:22said his mind was kind of messed up and
4:07:25wasn't thinking so well
4:07:27okay
4:07:30did you guys discuss anything besides
4:07:32just his physical health
4:07:34oh yeah i i asked him you know
4:07:37how basically how he was you know
4:07:39overall doing and
4:07:41about his job because he said he had was
4:07:43getting a new job in florida and i asked
4:07:45him about that and like was what did he
4:07:48say
4:07:48well he said that he
4:07:50probably wasn't going to get the job
4:07:51that some manager had told him that it
4:07:53wasn't going to work out because of
4:07:56his injury that he wasn't able to work
4:07:59and then i asked him about maybe he
4:08:01could go back to american family and he
4:08:03said no he didn't
4:08:04he said that
4:08:06wouldn't happen he wouldn't be able to
4:08:07do that so he seemed concerned
4:08:09about
4:08:10you know maybe not having a job and what
4:08:12was he going to kind of do and i asked
4:08:14him
4:08:15you know
4:08:16would he talk to his parents you know
4:08:17maybe could he talk to them or
4:08:20you know things like that just to try to
4:08:21reassure him because he just seemed
4:08:23upset about this news that he had gotten
4:08:25from the doctor
4:08:26sure and what did he respond to that
4:08:30to what
4:08:31i'm sorry to talk to the idea of talking
4:08:33to his parents about his job and health
4:08:35and he said no they're they're still up
4:08:37north and
4:08:39and i just says well you know
4:08:41maybe it would help you to talk to him
4:08:42and his response is he says no they'll
4:08:44just be mad and
4:08:46which seemed odd to me why his parents
4:08:48would be upset with him
4:08:50that he was hurt and
4:08:51couldn't work
4:08:52you know it just seemed odd to me okay
4:08:56um
4:08:57how long do you think this conversation
4:09:00took place
4:09:02i don't know maybe 20 minutes or so i'm
4:09:04not sure
4:09:06all right
4:09:06um what happened after the conversation
4:09:10well i think i'm trying to remember
4:09:12dulce showed up she'd come i wasn't
4:09:15expecting her but she had come to the
4:09:17house and she came
4:09:19through the house we were sitting on the
4:09:20deck and she came and was like what's
4:09:22going on and i said oh i'm just chatting
4:09:25with
4:09:26chandler here
4:09:28and i guess he doesn't have such good
4:09:29news and then she came out and sat down
4:09:32and asked what was going on and then we
4:09:35started to kind of go back over what him
4:09:37and i talked about to explain to her
4:09:39what was happening
4:09:41sure and the jury's already had the
4:09:42opportunity to hear from dulce so i i
4:09:45don't need you to repeat anything that
4:09:46she said okay but what kind of happened
4:09:48next in the event so well then he went
4:09:51to go use the pool because before he'd
4:09:53come down and i'd asked him you know how
4:09:56was the pool he didn't answer and
4:09:58and
4:09:59so he went
4:10:00he said he was gonna go back to use the
4:10:02pool
4:10:03and then dulce and i continued to talk
4:10:05because we just felt something was a
4:10:07little odd you know so we were concerned
4:10:10and her and i had a conversation about
4:10:12him of what was going on
4:10:14okay and then what happened after that
4:10:16well i kind of got irritated it was so
4:10:18hot and i wanted to go swimming and i
4:10:20was waiting
4:10:21for him to be done using the pool so i
4:10:23could go jump in the pool
4:10:26and so i was
4:10:27getting impatient and waiting you know
4:10:30wondering what was taking him so long
4:10:33so i said look i'm i'm gonna go get in
4:10:35the pool i'm i'm done you know i'm hot
4:10:38and i'm tired and i want to go cool off
4:10:41and she said okay so she went to go get
4:10:43her suit and then her and i i have this
4:10:46little riding lawnmower
4:10:48and so we got on the riding lawn mower
4:10:49to go up
4:10:50to tell them hey we're going to go
4:10:52swimming now
4:10:53and when we got up there
4:10:55he wasn't in the pool and the cover was
4:10:58still on the pool and okay so hold on
4:11:00the pool has a cover yeah i have like a
4:11:03like a solar it heats up it helps get
4:11:06the water warm so it just lays flat on
4:11:08the top sure so it's got a little bubble
4:11:11and obviously you have to remove said
4:11:13cover to get into the pool yeah there's
4:11:14times i got lazy where i could fold it
4:11:16over just to get in but i usually like
4:11:18to take it off so i could have was it
4:11:20folded over so somebody could get in at
4:11:22all no
4:11:23all right so the
4:11:26covers on the pool is chandler in sight
4:11:28when you're over by the pool no
4:11:31okay and just
4:11:33is exhibit 57 here's
4:11:38the pool the round blue
4:11:45this is an aerial photo so it almost
4:11:47just looks like a dot
4:11:48right that's the pool area okay so what
4:11:51do you do next
4:11:52well when we drove up and i could you
4:11:54could kind of see no one was in the pool
4:11:57and i didn't see i was looking for him
4:11:59and then i when i looked to my right
4:12:02when we came up the hill i had the doors
4:12:05open in the shed
4:12:07and i could see through the shed
4:12:09that his car was parked on the other
4:12:12side of the shed all right can you can
4:12:13you approach exhibit 57 here and kind of
4:12:16point to where you saw chandler's
4:12:18vehicle
4:12:21testing testing oh okay i'm back
4:12:24yeah after this we're calling it after
4:12:26this we're going i'm going to start
4:12:28getting up
4:12:31he was parked kinda near this is some
4:12:34wood and an oil drum yeah there's a pile
4:12:37of timber
4:12:38logs and then it's like my scrap junk
4:12:41file
4:12:42barely hanging out fair and it's kind of
4:12:44near the wooded line here
4:12:46okay
4:12:47all right so
4:12:50i'm not the best estimator judge i would
4:12:52say four inches
4:12:54south of the barn maybe one inch above
4:12:57the oil tank on exhibit 57 is the area
4:13:00that the witness pointed that seems to
4:13:01be a fair description okay i'm gonna
4:13:03have you sit down just so we can hear
4:13:05you nice and loud on that microphone
4:13:07okay
4:13:09um so what do you do you see his oh well
4:13:12hold on one second
4:13:13do you remember what kind of vehicle he
4:13:15was driving that day
4:13:16it was like a little station wagon like
4:13:19a hatchback
4:13:20it might have been a subaru i'm not sure
4:13:22okay
4:13:22um do you know was the hatch open closed
4:13:25something else the back hatch the back
4:13:28was open okay
4:13:30um all right so that's where you observe
4:13:32the car the back hatch or if you're not
4:13:35a car person like me you say the trunk
4:13:37was open what do you do well yeah cause
4:13:40uh we go and he's not in the pool and we
4:13:42see the car and then i'm like what the
4:13:44heck is going what is he doing and
4:13:47and i said well i'm gonna go over and
4:13:49dulce was like
4:13:51we were like what's he doing
4:13:53you know what is going on
4:13:55so we drove over to see if he was in the
4:13:57back of the car was he sleeping what was
4:13:59he what was he doing was he smoking weed
4:14:02or something we didn't know
4:14:04so
4:14:05we drove over there and with the mower
4:14:07and approached and i drove to the back
4:14:10of the car because the back end was back
4:14:13towards me
4:14:14okay so the back end was facing closer
4:14:17to the barn or the oil drop to the to
4:14:18the to the towards me
4:14:21the front end was facing the shed oh
4:14:23towards you right now yes towards okay
4:14:26so toward the woods towards the wood
4:14:28lines facing this way trunk patches
4:14:31so i drove we drove in the mower and
4:14:34drove to the back of the car because i
4:14:35thought maybe he was in the back of the
4:14:37car taking a nap or i don't know
4:14:39and we look in there and there wasn't
4:14:41anything in
4:14:43the car that we could see okay and at
4:14:45this point you see the car it's empty or
4:14:48it's there's no chandler in it uh do you
4:14:51see chandler anywhere on your property
4:14:53no because then we stopped and we're
4:14:54like what the heck we're looking around
4:14:56where what's he doing where is he and
4:14:58you know dulce was kind of upset at that
4:15:00moment because she's thinking maybe he's
4:15:02doing drugs or something she was really
4:15:04upset thinking he's doing drugs or
4:15:06something
4:15:08so i said i don't know but i'm done i'm
4:15:10going to get in the pool i just was hot
4:15:12and irritated and just didn't want to
4:15:13deal with it and so i said i'm going to
4:15:15the pool so
4:15:17we left and drove and parked the mower
4:15:19by the pool okay so you took your mower
4:15:21drove back over by the pool and parked
4:15:24and then proceeded and got in the pool
4:15:26okay
4:15:27so you're in the pool um
4:15:30when is the next time you see chandler
4:15:33do you want me to show you on that
4:15:34absolutely i would love that
4:15:40why don't you do it and then i'll say it
4:15:42again so it's in the mic
4:15:46i
4:15:48we were in the pool
4:15:50and
4:15:51i would say it was
4:15:52approximately in this area he was
4:15:55walking this way towards us
4:15:58coming towards us
4:16:00i thought maybe he was going to the car
4:16:02but then he went past the car and kept
4:16:04coming towards us okay so why don't you
4:16:07sit and i'll try to say it again in the
4:16:09mic so you saw him
4:16:11you kind of pointed there's some white
4:16:13i don't know what that is
4:16:15oh those are old beehives probably i
4:16:16also got a bunch of beehives that like
4:16:19cleaning out my shed and i they were old
4:16:21and i just threw them out there okay was
4:16:23he kind of coming from that area yeah he
4:16:25was walking
4:16:26like that direction like towards that
4:16:28way yeah
4:16:29and his car was here but he walked past
4:16:31his car you said yes
4:16:33and then walked over by the pool right
4:16:36okay do you remember what he was wearing
4:16:39um like baggy shorts um
4:16:43he he had a shirt on i thought before
4:16:45and when he came back he didn't have a
4:16:47shirt so when he was approaching the
4:16:49pool coming out of the wooded area no
4:16:51shirt right okay
4:16:55all right so he's approaching the pool
4:16:56does he actually get up to the pool
4:16:58yeah he came up to the pool
4:17:01when i said hey chandler i don't have my
4:17:03i don't have a shirt on
4:17:05because i i go shirtless in my pool
4:17:07that's kind of why i was waiting for him
4:17:09to leave because i wanted to have the
4:17:10privacy to get in my pool sure
4:17:13okay um
4:17:15you tell him you don't have a shirt on
4:17:16what happens next
4:17:18and he said well if it would be all
4:17:20right i'd like to get in the pool i'm
4:17:22i'm kind of sticky and i'm hot and
4:17:24i remember looking at dulce because i
4:17:26want to be respectful and i'm i said
4:17:28well i don't have a problem with it
4:17:30they'll say if you don't
4:17:32she just kind of was shrugged and you
4:17:34know
4:17:34i kind of could tell she didn't really
4:17:36like it but she just kind of turned it
4:17:38was sort of like whatever
4:17:40and so i said okay and so then i kind of
4:17:42turned and he got in the pool
4:17:44and
4:17:45he went to
4:17:47the east side of the pool and we kind of
4:17:49went to the west side of the pool excuse
4:17:51me okay and was he actively swimming
4:17:55no he just kind of
4:17:56dipped up and down and kind of was
4:17:59like
4:18:00washing you know like
4:18:02himself off he said it was kind of
4:18:04scratchy and on his walk and it was
4:18:07itchy and sticky so he was kind of like
4:18:10so he you did a motion with your hands
4:18:12yeah and you said the word yeah like he
4:18:14dunked down and then he'd kind of like
4:18:16you know be doing like this and dunk
4:18:18down and kind of
4:18:20okay kind of washing himself rinsing
4:18:23himself off yeah and then
4:18:26and it was odd because he just seemed
4:18:28really different when he
4:18:30he got in the pool from when he was
4:18:33talking to us before different how
4:18:38well he seemed more lucid like you just
4:18:39seemed more present
4:18:43did you say present or pleasant present
4:18:46like focused thank you you're welcome
4:18:48[Music]
4:18:52okay
4:18:53what happened next
4:18:55well
4:18:56then dulce was starting to ask him
4:18:58questions because i
4:19:00think she was concerned maybe he was
4:19:02doing some drugs and
4:19:03i think she just wanted to
4:19:05sort of
4:19:07see if he was so she started asking him
4:19:09questions and
4:19:11things like that
4:19:12to see how he would respond because
4:19:14while he
4:19:15was gone and we were in the pool that's
4:19:17what she spoke to me mostly about is
4:19:19what's going on with him i'm worried i
4:19:21don't know why he's acting this way
4:19:23what's he doing and
4:19:25so just to clear this up though no
4:19:27paraphernalia or any evidence of drugs
4:19:31no
4:19:32and he admitted we that was one of the
4:19:34questions she says if you're doing drugs
4:19:35channel i'm telling you right now
4:19:37that's a deal breaker and if you ever
4:19:39come and he said i will never ever bring
4:19:42brooks drugs to the house or i don't do
4:19:44drugs he
4:19:45you know
4:19:46i just wanted to declare that yeah she
4:19:48confronted him about that okay uh what
4:19:51happens next
4:19:53well we just started talking you know
4:19:55she was worried where is he going to
4:19:57stay because he thought he lost his job
4:19:59and
4:20:00she was offered to say
4:20:02he could stay maybe at
4:20:04their her house in town for a while if
4:20:06you needed to pardon me i have to
4:20:08interrupt here this is all here
4:20:10i
4:20:11agreed i'll i'll go ahead and ask to
4:20:13um uh rephrase the question and uh
4:20:17um
4:20:17those those last responses fall in that
4:20:20category
4:20:21specifics of the conversation um
4:20:25oh snap right up jerk
4:20:29uh another legend what's up man thank
4:20:31you for stopping by i appreciate that
4:20:34man
4:20:35you guys can go check out his channel he
4:20:37he's i saw him talk about summer
4:20:40recently
4:20:41but he was also uh
4:20:43i'm already talked about i think gabby
4:20:45at one point too
4:20:47is that him is that really
4:20:49is that the check mark let me check for
4:20:50the check mark in case i'm being trolled
4:20:52oh that is him
4:20:54i was like in case i'm being drunk
4:20:58um
4:20:59that guy has like he has a lot of subs
4:21:01doesn't he let's see like 3 million subs
4:21:03or something
4:21:08yeah yeah you guys check him out ryan up
4:21:11church on youtube if you want to check
4:21:12him out just pausing real quick
4:21:16i think he deleted his message he got
4:21:17cancelled somebody canceled him
4:21:20already canceled when he came to the
4:21:21stream
4:21:23he was like [ __ ] i wasn't supposed to
4:21:24type that
4:21:28message deleted
4:21:29who deleted his message
4:21:32oh streamlabs streamlabs canceled ryan
4:21:34up church
4:21:36what streamlabs deleted why does
4:21:37streamlabs cancel uh ryan
4:21:40yo what the heck
4:21:42streamlabs cancel right
4:21:47yo
4:21:48don't don't mind uh streamlabs man
4:21:52what the hell it deleted his messages
4:21:54and timed them out
4:22:00why would streamlabs do that
4:22:05that's so weird
4:22:08i didn't i didn't say anything that was
4:22:09cursed cursing or offensive
4:22:14yeah but thank you for stopping by man i
4:22:16really appreciate that that's cool man
4:22:18you guys can go check out his channel on
4:22:20youtube
4:22:27that's crazy
4:22:28in the pool
4:22:30oh maybe maybe 15 minutes ish
4:22:34roughly all right um and at some point
4:22:37does he get out of the pool first or do
4:22:39you oh he got out first he he was said
4:22:42he was in a hurry he had to go
4:22:44that
4:22:45catherine was getting dinner or
4:22:46something and so he was like
4:22:48on a mission and had to like let's go
4:22:50and
4:22:52and then he got out and
4:22:54went to the car and drove off okay and
4:22:57his car that he went to was over there
4:22:59by the oil tank near the wood line right
4:23:03all right i just want to back up here a
4:23:05second um
4:23:07you said at first when you first talked
4:23:09with him on the deck when you were
4:23:11working on a project with dulce he then
4:23:13left to supposedly go swimming and then
4:23:17you didn't see him until he walked out
4:23:18of the woodline later about what was the
4:23:21time gap between there
4:23:23between the time he said i'm gonna go to
4:23:25the pool
4:23:26and the time he actually went to the
4:23:28pool
4:23:30the first time or the second time
4:23:32or all together because there was
4:23:34together so the time he you were on the
4:23:36deck working on your projects and he
4:23:38showed up and
4:23:39he left
4:23:41from the time he left you at the deck
4:23:43area until you saw him walk out of the
4:23:45wooded area oh about what was the time
4:23:48frame in there
4:23:51i'm i'm guesstimating you know
4:23:54maybe 45 minutes an hour-ish maybe okay
4:23:57yeah it's it's a guesstimate okay it was
4:23:59a while like it just to me it seemed
4:24:01forever because i wanted to get in the
4:24:03pool
4:24:04sure so it just seemed like a long time
4:24:10and then after he got out of the pool he
4:24:12got into his vehicle and drove away yeah
4:24:15now later that day did you find out that
4:24:18he actually had attempted to contact you
4:24:21prior to coming to your property yeah
4:24:23later um i remember seeing the message
4:24:27was blinking on my my landline
4:24:30and
4:24:32so i i pressed it and then a name came
4:24:34up and i didn't know what the i didn't
4:24:36recognize the name and then i heard
4:24:38chandler's voice so
4:24:40he had left me a message
4:24:43but i didn't realize it until after he'd
4:24:45come and gone and i listened to it later
4:24:47so he left you a message or a voicemail
4:24:50yeah and saying he wanted to come and
4:24:51would could he come and use the pool
4:24:54and did you turn that message or
4:24:56voicemail over to the dane county
4:24:58sheriff's office yes i did and did you
4:25:00turn over a true and accurate copy of
4:25:02that message yes it's still on my it's
4:25:04still on there right now
4:25:06okay
4:25:07i would at this time move exhibit 64
4:25:09into evidence
4:25:11no objection it is received
4:25:19and i would ask to publish the message
4:25:21to the jury you may
4:25:44this is supposed to be going on
4:25:47the
4:25:48the screen in front of you shows what
4:25:50the jury is seeing
4:25:52no
4:25:53all right thank you
4:25:54that's right hi
4:25:56this is chandler
4:25:58um
4:26:00i just got
4:26:01back with some pretty terrible news from
4:26:04my doctor so i was wondering if i could
4:26:07come by
4:26:09and i'll just take a couple laps to the
4:26:11pool or hang out
4:26:13something
4:26:14on not having the most ideal day
4:26:18i suppose
4:26:22well call me back
4:26:23920-838-4549
4:26:28thank you bye
4:26:33monday
4:26:344 25 p.m
4:26:39and this was message 116. yeah okay
4:26:48okay
4:26:50please make me think it's my computer
4:26:52on july 7th the next day that tuesday do
4:26:55you receive any communication from
4:26:57chandler
4:26:59not directly from chandler no
4:27:02but i i'd heard otherwise that he was
4:27:04trying to come out and
4:27:06i was having trouble with my phone for
4:27:08some reason wasn't working my landline
4:27:09and i
4:27:10was kind of feeling stressed and didn't
4:27:13really want to deal with anybody at the
4:27:15farm that day
4:27:16all right and so did chandler end up
4:27:18coming out on the seventh no
4:27:20[Music]
4:27:22or i'm sorry that's this
4:27:23yeah the seventh okay
4:27:25um
4:27:26[Music]
4:27:28later in the course of this
4:27:29investigation um various items were
4:27:33found at on your property
4:27:35um that you were made aware of is that
4:27:37fair
4:27:39yes
4:27:49let me inquire counsel i think
4:27:51i think the jury entered at
4:27:548 45 we're a little over 90 minutes long
4:27:57this might be a good moment to break
4:27:59sure that's just because we're moving
4:28:00into another subject area and we still
4:28:02have cross-examination i don't want to
4:28:04tax everybody further
4:28:06than
4:28:07about 90 minutes plus 10. so we'll take
4:28:09our morning break at this point ladies
4:28:11and gentlemen and we'll come back in 15
4:28:13minutes all right
4:28:15okay so we're going to fast forward from
4:28:17here
4:28:18let's just go a little bit farther
4:28:31approach you
4:28:37attorney raymond
4:28:39thank you
4:28:40um chris i'm going to approach you and
4:28:42show you a series of pictures of things
4:28:45found on your property and talk to you
4:28:46about those
4:29:03first i'm going to show you what has
4:29:04been marked as exhibits 58 through 63.
4:29:11do you just want to flip through those
4:29:14absolutely
4:29:22by the way i think it's almost over too
4:29:24so you know i think this is getting
4:29:26close to the end
4:29:33yeah i'm still up here man i don't know
4:29:35how we're doing it but we're here
4:29:37i said it was gonna be done like three
4:29:39hours ago
4:29:45we're going to um about this later but
4:29:47exhibit 58
4:29:48um is a garbage can found in the woods
4:29:51uh did you keep a rubbermaid or a black
4:29:54rubber garbage can
4:29:56in your woods
4:29:57no
4:30:00and exhibit 59 is that what is that a
4:30:02picture of
4:30:04um that's an old uh i don't know if it's
4:30:07fuel oil or gas it's
4:30:08for scrap
4:30:10i just haven't took it to the salvage
4:30:12yard yet okay um did you keep any tools
4:30:15in exhibit 59
4:30:17in there yes no
4:30:21what is picture
4:30:2360
4:30:25um that's the entrance to my driveway
4:30:28and
4:30:29i don't recognize the car there's a bag
4:30:31and that's where i keep my recycling and
4:30:33my trash and that bag appears to be a
4:30:35target bag
4:30:37um i think so i'm not sure
4:30:39and 61 is a close-up of the same right
4:30:4862 and 63 are some
4:30:51items that were found in that target bag
4:30:53did those items belong to your house
4:30:56no
4:30:57did you
4:30:58uh throw those items away no
4:31:01and your father is 94 you said yes only
4:31:04other person that lives there
4:31:06right well my brother what he was at
4:31:08assisted living at the time okay um so
4:31:11your father it would take great effort
4:31:13to go and throw anything away outside
4:31:16no he couldn't
4:31:20state at this time would move
4:31:22exhibits 58 through 63 into evidence any
4:31:26objection numb
4:31:28they are received
4:31:30and i will ask you about these in a
4:31:32minute
4:31:33but if you want to just look through
4:31:34those in the meantime i'm going to
4:31:36publish 58
4:31:45the
4:31:45little screen in front of you will have
4:31:47what i'm showing the journey
4:31:53it's only 805 here in
4:31:54las vegas
4:31:56wow
4:31:59i think for me i'm just going to take a
4:32:00break and go get something to eat and
4:32:02probably take a shower
4:32:13this case is really interesting though
4:32:15it was pretty i see
4:32:17what people were talking about as a
4:32:19group
4:32:20this is my the tobacco shed though you
4:32:23called the barn it's the shed
4:32:25you got to go to the beginning of the
4:32:26video better now though four hours you
4:32:28get the whole story from the prosecutor
4:32:29we'll be oh
4:32:31yeah because
4:32:32i cleaned it out i got a big dumpster
4:32:35been meaning to do it for some years now
4:32:38i didn't get through it because i got a
4:32:40little upset there for a second
4:32:42um but 66 through 70 are pictures of
4:32:46your barn before you cleaned it out
4:32:48that's correct
4:32:50um and seventy one two thanks pictures
4:32:53of something that you'll never found in
4:32:54your barn during the clean out that's
4:32:56right okay i would move to admit
4:32:59pictures 66-74
4:33:02any objection know your honor they are
4:33:04receiving bathroom richard
4:33:08i might tonight i don't know
4:33:13what
4:33:14that's despicable how could you say that
4:33:16it could melt
4:33:20while you have
4:33:21identified the exhibits and testified
4:33:23about them the ability to publish them
4:33:26to the jury requires the state to go
4:33:27through them with you again but with the
4:33:29jury able to see those photos at this
4:33:31time okay thank you it's never perfect
4:33:34because of the glare
4:33:35but um
4:33:37chris
4:33:38the garbage can picture 58 that i showed
4:33:41you that was found in the woods but it
4:33:43was not yours no
4:33:44[Music]
4:33:47and how would you describe exhibit 59
4:33:50it's an old fuel tank that's been
4:33:52sitting there for a while we're going to
4:33:54take it to salvage and you have to cut a
4:33:55hole in there so that they know you
4:33:57don't fill it with concrete or something
4:33:59so they want to look in there
4:34:00okay
4:34:01um
4:34:20yeah that's where i put the trash in the
4:34:25of this in the recycling week of july
4:34:27um did you have an experience of your
4:34:29garbage cans being moved
4:34:32no not that i'm aware of i don't you
4:34:34know i don't recall
4:34:36i don't even know if i took trash out
4:34:38that week
4:34:47no i'm not aware of that but that could
4:34:48have happened you know just meaning
4:34:50because dulce sometimes like if the
4:34:51trash is out and she goes out sometimes
4:34:54she'll put it back and i don't know
4:34:55about it that could have happened i
4:34:56don't know sure fair enough
4:34:58but there's a target bag here do you
4:35:00normally keep your trash outside of your
4:35:02garbage cans no
4:35:04i would i would have put it in the trash
4:35:09exhibit 61.
4:35:14uh just a close-up of exhibit 16. right
4:35:19and netflix is going up right the price
4:35:25um
4:35:27some rags with the substance on them did
4:35:29you throw away those wraps no
4:35:33and exhibit 63
4:35:35just been separated out
4:35:37that's true bridget i agree
4:35:43moving on exhibit 66 how would you
4:35:45describe it
4:35:48well that's the
4:35:49north side of my shed
4:35:53and my little lawnmower
4:35:56okay
4:35:57and exhibit 67.
4:35:59yeah it's just showing you the entrance
4:36:01there on the north side
4:36:08exhibit 68.
4:36:11yep that's the messy messy shed
4:36:21uh is that at 69 more the same right
4:36:32exhibit 70. there's an item here
4:36:35along the back wall kind of buy some
4:36:38boards
4:36:39um yeah there's there's a bird bath
4:36:41there
4:36:42can you tell it all from this angle what
4:36:44was behind the bird bath
4:36:46um well there's a rifle there
4:36:49and
4:36:50at some point you discover a rifle in
4:36:53your barn
4:36:54yes
4:36:56do you keep guns in your barn
4:36:58not normally my dad sometimes he'd keep
4:37:00a pellet gun up there but he hasn't been
4:37:02walking for a few years so
4:37:05so what did you do when you well first
4:37:07off when did you first see this guy
4:37:10well i was
4:37:11organizing along the wall you know like
4:37:13i say i was cleaning out my shed and i
4:37:15wanted to go through these
4:37:17like garden tools because i you know
4:37:19making sure i still use them where they
4:37:21broke and i was going to throw them away
4:37:23so
4:37:24i would and then i was organizing
4:37:26putting lumber where the lumber goes the
4:37:27recycling where the recycling goes and
4:37:29so i lifted up a board
4:37:32and i saw a barrel of a gun and i i
4:37:34thought huh
4:37:36right away i thought what's my dad what
4:37:37what the heck has he got
4:37:39his pellet gun over here so i picked it
4:37:42up by the barrel and looked at it and i
4:37:44i right away recognized it wasn't a gun
4:37:47that i'd ever saw or seen ever before
4:37:50and just to be clear for the jury this
4:37:52gun
4:37:53before you lifted it up was behind the
4:37:55board yes it was behind us a bunch of
4:37:57there was like maybe four or five
4:37:59different boards there
4:38:00okay
4:38:02tonight
4:38:03this is where the sun came from what do
4:38:05you do well first thing is i just felt
4:38:07sort of the sick feeling and i set it
4:38:10back down and then i went to ask my
4:38:13father just to make sure
4:38:15that he didn't know about any gun in the
4:38:17shed and i went and asked and he said
4:38:19well what does it look like or whatever
4:38:21and i said
4:38:22well dad i'm just going to call the
4:38:23police and then i called christa
4:38:26the head of the
4:38:28investigation she left me her number
4:38:31and i i called her and spoke with her
4:38:33and told her what i'd found and she told
4:38:35me that she was going to send somebody
4:38:37out
4:38:39okay did you remember roughly
4:38:42one month
4:38:43oh it was um
4:38:45it was in the middle of october-ish
4:38:47because i had i
4:38:48i wanted to clean out the shed earlier
4:38:50but the police were there for so long i
4:38:52my raspberry started so
4:38:54it was after the raspberries were done
4:38:56which is was sometime in the middle of
4:38:58middle end of october-ish okay
4:39:00all right so it was a few months later
4:39:03yes
4:39:05i'm going to show you exhibit 71.
4:39:11is that a picture of the gun that you
4:39:13found in your barn
4:39:15it's kind of a glare
4:39:18oh i'm sorry it is yeah
4:39:24it looks to be
4:39:26do you want to look at the actual photo
4:39:28yeah that would be yeah
4:39:30helpful
4:39:31but it looks
4:39:33similar
4:39:43yes
4:39:45ms raymond if you want to show that to
4:39:46the jury as we walk back towards the
4:39:48elmo
4:39:55bless you
4:39:56we're coughing over there
4:39:57they already had covered in the place
4:40:13yeah tony
4:40:15yes
4:40:27so did the police then in october after
4:40:29you found the gun coming
4:40:32retrieve the gun
4:40:33yes
4:40:41and
4:40:43in july when chandler was on your farm
4:40:46um did you have your barn or your shed
4:40:48locked at all
4:40:49no
4:40:54no further questions cross-examination
4:40:57thank you good morning
4:40:59hi
4:41:01picking up where you just left off
4:41:05do you ever lock or close up that
4:41:08shed or barn
4:41:10i haven't for some years when i
4:41:12used to go to florida in the winter i
4:41:14would close it and lock it but i haven't
4:41:17been there for a while
4:41:18so no
4:41:21and is it fair to say that before you
4:41:23got the garbage bin and did the major
4:41:26cleaning of the shed
4:41:28you didn't know exactly every item that
4:41:30was in there right
4:41:33no not every single item no
4:41:37and you testified that there was a delay
4:41:40in getting the garbage bin and cleaning
4:41:42out that shed because the police were
4:41:44there for a while
4:41:45that's correct how long were they there
4:41:48in possession of your property or on
4:41:51your property
4:41:53oh seemed like forever um
4:41:55a couple of weeks at least maybe maybe
4:41:58longer
4:41:59and they had closed off that area to you
4:42:03yes they i mean they got kind of upset
4:42:06every time i come up with a lawnmower
4:42:08because i couldn't even mow my lawn and
4:42:11it was frustrating so but they pretty
4:42:13much kept me by my house they didn't
4:42:15really want me anywhere around
4:42:18and was it your understanding that they
4:42:19were searching that area at that time
4:42:23yeah they were searching my whole
4:42:24property they served me with a warrant
4:42:32now moving back in time a little bit to
4:42:354th of july
4:42:36weekend
4:42:38i think i heard you testified that
4:42:40chandler halderson was not acting like
4:42:43himself is that right
4:42:45that's correct
4:42:47and it was for that
4:42:49that observation that you and
4:42:52dulce
4:42:53might have thought oh is he doing some
4:42:55drugs is that right
4:42:57that was
4:42:59it was a question because we couldn't
4:43:00figure out why he seemed a little off
4:43:03and you had never seen him like that
4:43:05before right no
4:43:07and normally he's sort of a a quiet
4:43:10nerdy kid right
4:43:12yeah that's a good description
4:43:15that's all the questions i have thank
4:43:16you
4:43:18[Music]
4:43:23the defense has had nothing
4:43:26i've only seen we've only watched people
4:43:28that haven't watched the whole thing
4:43:30bits and pieces they've had nothing
4:43:31nothing at all
4:43:34all right thank you no that's all
4:43:37nothing else further
4:43:39yo
4:43:41i'm looking at myself like holy [ __ ]
4:43:44yo thank you so much guys for joining
4:43:45tonight i really appreciate it i love
4:43:47you guys
4:43:48i'm gonna go get something to eat and
4:43:50just chill for a while chill i don't
4:43:52know it's like 11 i should go to bed but
4:43:53i'll probably i'm going to be up for a
4:43:54while
4:43:56but this was really interesting i
4:43:58appreciate it and i also want to say um
4:44:01it's really nice when people can stop by
4:44:03and say hi uh it's just you can tell i
4:44:06think it's like
4:44:07humility or just people being humble you
4:44:09know because like tend to life pass by
4:44:12and then ryan church and i just think
4:44:14that's really nice people that are
4:44:17you know have a bigger following kind of
4:44:18makes me want to do that
4:44:20you know
4:44:21stop by some people's maybe live streams
4:44:23just say hi it's kind of it's like a
4:44:25nice support thing you know i think
4:44:26that's pretty dope
4:44:29um
4:44:30but yeah
4:44:34i love the shroud thing the trial things
4:44:35are really fun i like to sit on them and
4:44:37listen i don't know there's a bunch of
4:44:38things coming up
4:44:40so we'll see what's next
4:44:45um
4:44:47this guy was sick as hell though man it
4:44:48made me flashback to some of the crazy
4:44:50people in my own life
4:44:52you know just concocting lies just
4:44:54living in their lives and constantly
4:44:55lying
4:44:56and maybe you're thinking maybe you have
4:44:58somebody like this in your life yourself
4:44:59and you're thinking they're going to
4:45:00change you keep trying to help them and
4:45:02you're doing this you're doing that
4:45:03you're paying for this you're paying for
4:45:04that
4:45:08and it's all just lies just lies
4:45:12and there is no helping those people out
4:45:14it doesn't seem like it there's
4:45:16they're going to take you down with them
4:45:19literally to the grave
4:45:20thank you ems appreciate the super chat
4:45:23gracias m's and charisma simply stranger
4:45:30bruh
4:45:33yeah but this guy was sick it's
4:45:34unfortunate man some of these kids too
4:45:36man you gotta be careful with these kids
4:45:37these kids are killing their own parents
4:45:39they're getting angry for whatever
4:45:40reason
4:45:41kid living a whole lie to all his
4:45:44friends his parents family
4:45:46he was sick you don't got nothing else
4:45:48to do like you put that energy somewhere
4:45:51else
4:45:53go start something good go do something
4:45:55i don't know man just weird [ __ ]
4:45:59and then and then just to go through the
4:46:01lengths that he did
4:46:04to you know
4:46:05dismember them and not all their body
4:46:07parts are found and
4:46:09to burn them in in a fireplace and then
4:46:11you're just sitting there like how do
4:46:13these people
4:46:14function and decided they can go to a
4:46:16trial and just sit there
4:46:18yeah
4:46:19i'm just gonna sit here not not only
4:46:20that
4:46:21he's doing interviews
4:46:24with the news
4:46:25how do you do that and keep a straight
4:46:27face
4:46:30oh my god i'm i'm like uh i'm a pretty
4:46:32bad liar that guy i could you could just
4:46:35see my emotions like everything just
4:46:36comes out of me like what did they say
4:46:38you
4:46:39uh what do you say uh i wear my emotions
4:46:41on my sleeve yo i'd be sweating bullets
4:46:43i'd be studying
4:46:45i i couldn't imagine if i would have do
4:46:47something that horrible
4:46:49and then just be up on say oh hi
4:46:51yeah my parents there i'm reporting them
4:46:54missing
4:46:56insane
4:47:02and it kind of brings the a little bit
4:47:04of the the sentencing now just seeing
4:47:06the bits and pieces that we saw it
4:47:07brings the sentencing
4:47:10a little bit into context where this
4:47:11guy's still trying to cover for himself
4:47:14oh i didn't express my emotions because
4:47:16they told me not to
4:47:17which in some cases they do say that but
4:47:19like that guy has no [ __ ] feelings
4:47:21emotions empathy nothing like that
4:47:25nothing
4:47:28okay skull thank you for the super chat
4:47:29hey mel you gotta support worldwide
4:47:32thank you australia austria
4:47:35barefoot hey every cameraman thank you
4:47:37for the super chat barefoot these people
4:47:38will kill you your own kids will kill
4:47:40you
4:47:42you wanna let me go to the party
4:47:45you don't want to let them hang out
4:47:47they kill you
4:47:50[Music]
4:47:52these kids are evolved to i mean this
4:47:54guy was he's 20 something though he's
4:47:55not a child you know but
4:48:00did you guys hear about that crazy
4:48:02i should stop because it's like we'll be
4:48:03here for another three hours right like
4:48:04[ __ ] it all right guys good night three
4:48:06to three hours later but did you hear
4:48:08about that crazy um thing yesterday what
4:48:10was like some teenager got into a
4:48:12vehicle and killed nine people started
4:48:15let's see
4:48:16teenager
4:48:18uh
4:48:20kills
4:48:21a car accident
4:48:23what's the car
4:48:27something that happened yesterday
4:48:34didn't he kill nine people nine dead
4:48:37nine dead
4:48:39car crash it was texas it was texas
4:48:42oh my god
4:48:47let me just look at this real quick and
4:48:49we'll get off
4:48:50that's the thing so you really never
4:48:51know when your time is going to be
4:48:54i was having lunch with my mother and my
4:48:56uncle today
4:48:57we were sitting down and i told him the
4:48:59story and i was like yo
4:49:00literally you could die today tomorrow
4:49:03like just at any moment you
4:49:0613 year old was driving a truck in texas
4:49:08crashed that killed nine people
4:49:11nine people including new mexico college
4:49:13golfers
4:49:16the child was driving the truck that
4:49:17swerved into a van carrying members of
4:49:19the university of the southwest golf
4:49:21teams tuesday night
4:49:26about the deadly crash killing nine in
4:49:28west texas
4:49:30seven members of a college golf team
4:49:32federal investigators now saying a young
4:49:34child was driving the vehicle that
4:49:36struck the team's van in the fiery and
4:49:38fatal collision a 13 year old child was
4:49:41behind the wheel of the pickup truck
4:49:44ntsb agents say sitting next to the
4:49:46child in the pickup's passenger seat was
4:49:4838-year-old henrik siemens of seminole
4:49:51texas
4:49:52both died at the scene we don't
4:49:54speculate on anything it was very
4:49:56clearly a high-speed head-on collision
4:49:59between two heavy vehicles the speed
4:50:02limit on the highway 75 miles per hour
4:50:05investigators also revealing new
4:50:07evidence that suggests a failed spare
4:50:09tire may have contributed to the pickup
4:50:11swerving into the oncoming lane it
4:50:14appears
4:50:15at this point in the investigation
4:50:17that the left front tire which was a
4:50:19spare tire had failed which resulted in
4:50:23the vehicle pulling hard to the left and
4:50:25crossing into the
4:50:27opposing lane the parents of 22 year old
4:50:30student jackson zinn who died at the
4:50:31scene shocked but say the findings don't
4:50:34change how they feel we lost our son
4:50:37and he was great and that's
4:50:40that's what we want to focus on that's
4:50:41what we that's what we're all about here
4:50:43is getting his story out he was we just
4:50:46we're so proud of him the community at
4:50:48new mexico's university of the southwest
4:50:51devastated our institution is crushed
4:50:53and broken but strong but this morning
4:50:56some hope teammates dayton price and
4:50:59hayden underhill the only survivors
4:51:01are both stable and slowly improving in
4:51:04a lubbock texas hospital
4:51:07and we still don't know why that 13 year
4:51:09old was behind the wheel authorities
4:51:11have not revealed the relationship
4:51:12between the boy and henrik siemens we
4:51:14did reach out to the siemens family who
4:51:17right now are declining to comment
4:51:19chanel
4:51:29tyler james mauricio sanchez travis
4:51:32garcia jackson zinn theresa reigns lacey
4:51:35stone and tiego sosa
4:51:39daytona price and hayden underhill the
4:51:41two other people in the van
4:51:43in critical condition yeah you just
4:51:45never know
4:51:46you really
4:51:47[ __ ] it's crazy
4:51:54so i really wonder what the deal is and
4:51:55if we'll find out about that child 13
4:51:58year old driving that
4:51:59van
4:52:00or not a van he swerved into a van i
4:52:03don't know what vehicle they were
4:52:04driving but
4:52:07crazy man
4:52:19yeah that's true spares do have a i
4:52:21don't know what the max speed is but
4:52:22it does have a max speed
4:52:24it's lower stay it's uh you got to drive
4:52:26slower with those
4:52:33i mean yeah man
4:52:35but anyway yeah i'm out of here thank
4:52:37you guys so much have a good night love
4:52:39you guys please like subscribe on the
4:52:41way out
4:52:42and we'll see what we cover i'm gonna be
4:52:44chilling this weekend no no baby until
4:52:46sunday so i don't know we'll see
4:52:49we'll see what we do next oh and i have
4:52:50an update too for the missing person
4:52:53i'm gonna i don't know maybe tomorrow
4:52:55i'll do a video a short video
4:52:57but show some love to this story because
4:52:59this lady is still missing
4:53:01um ella goody
4:53:04i'll put the link if you haven't seen
4:53:05the story before you go to bed go check
4:53:06out ella goody i have a video probably
4:53:09tomorrow or something i'm going to
4:53:10update with this hello goodie
4:53:13still missing and some psych apparently
4:53:15the person of interest is some
4:53:16psychopathy
4:53:18long ass history
4:53:22what do you mean psychopath that's
4:53:24offensive
4:53:29i look goody so i put the thing in the
4:53:31chat yeah make sure you go check that
4:53:33out i look goody all right
4:53:36good night i just got here
4:53:38i love that like at the end of a stream
4:53:40right it's like five six hours later hey
4:53:42did i miss anything i know you didn't
4:53:43say that but i always laugh when people
4:53:45say that
4:53:46like yeah everything
4:53:48just everything also

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