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0:00In 2016, Brandon Wright stepped into a
0:02Utah jail and quietly told officers
0:05something they weren't expecting, that
0:07he had killed a man in Washington more
0:08than two decades earlier. He wasn't
0:11under arrest. No one had tracked him
0:13down. He just walked in and confessed.
0:16The murder had happened in 1994 in
0:18Kelso. Robert Bob Bushy was found
0:21stabbed over 50 times in his trailer,
0:23his body left under a pile of blankets
0:25surrounded by blood. The room showed
0:28signs of a violent struggle. Furniture
0:30overturned, drawers ripped open, and a
0:33bloody hammer left behind. His car and a
0:35welder were missing. The case had gone
0:38cold. But now, after all these years,
0:41the man responsible was sitting in an
0:42interrogation room, ready to talk. He
0:45described the scene in detail. He
0:47remembered the weapon. He told police
0:49how he panicked when Bushy caught him
0:51breaking in, how the fight escalated,
0:53and how he fled afterward in the Bush's
0:55car. He said he later crashed it and
0:58traded the welder for drugs. The entire
1:00story matched exactly. This is the case
1:02that haunted him and the moment he
1:04finally let it out. This is the
1:06interrogation of Brandon Wright.
1:11I'm sorry. Can you have a drink? You
1:12guys mind if you do? That's great.
1:16I apologize for
1:17being I tell you what, you were not you
1:20you weren't made a dick. Okay. It's I
1:22completely understand your position. So,
1:24thank you for giving us this opportunity
1:26to at least talk to you for a little
1:27bit, okay? Um, and if you want to stop
1:29talking, of course, that's your right,
1:30and we're not going to force you to
1:31continue talking to us. Okay? But I do
1:33appreciate that it's very gentlemanlike
1:34of you to to come over here and at least
1:36give us an opportunity to ask a few
1:38questions. Okay?
1:40So, as soon as he This is uh my captain,
1:42Darker. Hi there. How you doing, Darker?
1:46I'm Rich Fletcher. I don't know if I
1:47gave my name. I told you where I was
1:48from over at the jail, but I didn't tell
1:50you my name. So, Fletcher. All right.
1:54Thank you. Appreciate you
1:55guys. Thank you. Thank you.
2:01Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.
2:05So, um, as we briefly discussed over at
2:08the jail, um, um, I did I did listen to
2:11your interview yesterday, um, that you
2:14had with Detective Wilson a couple days
2:16ago and, um, and I do appreciate your
2:20willingness to come in and talk about
2:21what what happened cuz it really not
2:23only helps the family, but it it seems
2:26like it's helped you quite a bit to get
2:28it off your chest. So, that's that's
2:30that's an advantage for both of us, I
2:31think. Um, the reason we wanted to come
2:33out and talk to you though is because
2:35after we listen to the interview,
2:36there's just some things that weren't
2:38addressed. And it's not um it's not
2:40because um they didn't want to talk to
2:43you about it. It's cuz they didn't know
2:44the whole case cuz you came in and
2:46basically gave them the information
2:47about what had happened and they they
2:49didn't know any history of it. So, um
2:52because we're from Kelso where it
2:54occurred, uh we have um a lot more
2:56information about the incident itself
2:58that that was never addressed the other
2:59night. So that's that's why we came down
3:00and wanted to talk to you. All right.
3:03Okay. Um during the interview though, um
3:06you gave them an a
3:08handwritten note that you intended to
3:10send to us. Yeah.
3:14Does that look familiar to you? Yeah. Is
3:17that the note that you wrote? Yes. So
3:19you drafted that in your own
3:20handwriting? Yeah. Okay. And it was
3:22intended for us to have the family.
3:24Yeah. Oh, for the family. You guys?
3:26Yeah. Okay. Okay. I just want to I want
3:28to confirm that that that you hand wrote
3:30that and signed your name to it. Yeah.
3:33Okay. It looks like you wrote
3:35that on the
3:3817th. Is that right? 10 10 full days
3:41ago. It should have a date. Yeah. Yeah.
3:47Okay. So, um if it's okay with you,
3:51um I kind of like to just start by just
3:54kind of recapping what you what you
3:55talked about the other day. Is that
3:57okay?
3:59And and the only reason I want to do
4:00that is just I want to make sure I want
4:02I want to be clear since I'm talking to
4:03you here in person um that that's you
4:06know what you intended to to talk about.
4:08Is that is that okay with you? Sure.
4:09Okay. Sure. So um during the interview
4:13you you discussed uh leaving Utah um and
4:18flying over to Portland. That's correct.
4:21Okay. And it was um
4:23towards middle of August that you flew
4:26there. Yes, it was.
4:30What's that? Yeah.
4:33Um you haven't read your rights.
4:34Correct. Do you remember your rights? I
4:37have the right to remain silent. I have
4:39right to be represented by an attorney.
4:42I can't afford one be appointed for me.
4:47Let me go through the whole thing again.
4:48Okay. I know. I know you read your
4:49rights the other day and I know you're I
4:52know you remember your rights. Correct.
4:54Okay. I wouldn't read to you again. All
4:55right. Just for clarification. Okay.
4:58You have the right to remain silent.
5:00Anything you say can be used against you
5:01in court of law. You have the right to
5:03talk to an attorney presently while
5:04you're being questioned. If you cannot
5:06afford to attorney won't be appointed to
5:07represent you without costing him before
5:09any question if you wish. You can decide
5:11at any time to exercise your rights and
5:12not answer any questions or make any
5:14statements. And if you wish to answer
5:15questions now without an attorney
5:16present, you have the right to stop
5:17answering those questions at any time.
5:19Okay? Like I told you before. Okay.
5:27Um so again, this is your handwritten
5:30note, correct? It is.
5:32Okay.
5:35Um so back in August of 1994, you flew
5:41over Portland. Do you remember where
5:43what what airline you flew?
5:47I don't. Okay. You have you had you
5:49flown much at that point in time? No. In
5:51your life? I had never flown in my life
5:53except for Yeah. I don't think I had
5:55flown in my life at that point. Were you
5:58working here? I was. Okay. Where were
6:01you working? At the Horseshoe Express
6:04Trucking Company. Were you a truck
6:05driver or No, I was out of Washington
6:07diesels. Okay. So, were you laid off
6:11then or were you still employed when you
6:13left here?
6:19I don't know to be honest. Actually,
6:21that might have not have been the time
6:22that I was employed there cuz I was in
6:24Orange Street like a few different
6:27times. So, I might not have been
6:29employed there at that time, but I
6:32believe I
6:33was. It's been It's a long time ago.
6:35Yeah. Oh, I understand.
6:38And you flew out to Portland with who? A
6:42guy named Scott Grape. And who who's
6:44Scott? He was one of my friends. Is he
6:46still around? I'm not sure. Did he live
6:49here with you in Utah? Yeah, he was in
6:51Orange Street halfway house with me.
6:54Okay. Do you know how old he is? He's
6:56probably 3 years older than me. Maybe
6:58two years older than me. So, he'd be
6:59like 46 or 47 now. Okay. Do you have any
7:02family around here or did you I assume
7:04you talked to him quite a bit since you
7:05were your buddy.
7:08I don't know. I know he had an uncle
7:09that lived here and that's all I know.
7:11What was it? Do you know his name? I
7:13don't. Okay. Scott Gray or Great. Great.
7:17G R A T E.
7:21Um, so what made you guys decide to go
7:23to Portland?
7:25We had a friend Randy Davis that had a
7:28cousin that lived in Kels that said that
7:29we could stay up there with them. And
7:32was Randy from here also? I think he's
7:34originally from Washington. Oh, okay.
7:36So, is do you know if he's still up
7:37there or I don't know. I haven't seen
7:40him probably maybe 12 years. Okay. I saw
7:43him
7:45briefly briefly once maybe 12 or 14
7:48years ago where was in um the Utah State
7:53Prison. This barely passing I saw
7:57him by the window. It would have been
8:00more like maybe 15 years
8:02ago, I think.
8:06And he told you that he had some cousins
8:08up in C in Kel or Washington that you
8:10could stay with. So did you say like you
8:12wanted to go up there and like hang out
8:14or I mean how how'd that arrangement
8:16come about? We we didn't have a place to
8:19stay like we were going to Oh, we had a
8:21we got dirty urines at stupid like
8:25something that pays like dirty urine at
8:28the halfway house. Mhm. And so we were
8:31going to run away or whatever and so we
8:34absconded from the halfway house and he
8:36said that he had a his cousin wouldn't
8:38let us stay there.
8:42Okay. So how did you um how did you get
8:45your plane ticket? Do you guys have
8:47money or someone buy it for you? Yeah,
8:49we had a little bit of money. Like I got
8:51my last check and Scott got his last
8:53check.
8:55Okay. So, you got into
8:58Portland mid August.
9:01And who picked you up from Portland?
9:04It was
9:04[Music]
9:07uh Ry's cousin and and her husband or
9:11her I don't know if they were married,
9:13either her husband or her boyfriend. And
9:16you said it was Cal and Sue. Cal and
9:19Sue. Do you know what their name last
9:21names are? I don't know. Okay. What did
9:24they pick you up in? Do you remember
9:26that?
9:28I don't remember the specific car, but
9:29it was
9:30a seems like it was an older like one of
9:34them boat cars. Kind of not a boat car,
9:37but you know what I mean.
9:42I don't know. It's like a big sedan, big
9:44four-door car. Yeah. So, um, so they
9:47picked you up and I assume drove you up
9:49to Kelso. Yeah. Do you know where they
9:51live? like Long View count out in the
9:53county or in Kel somewhere. Not sure. I
9:56don't remember. I don't remember. Um, so
9:59you stayed with them for a little bit.
10:01How long did you stay with them?
10:03Probably maybe seven or 10 days, maybe.
10:06Or somewhere between maybe seven and 10
10:09days. Okay. So, how long did you intend
10:12to stay with them?
10:15I don't know. Indefinitely or I don't
10:18know. you're just going to obtain
10:20residency up there and just stay there
10:23more or less. But
10:25then I don't know, I don't seem to like
10:27get along well with people apparently
10:28for very long periods of time. So I was
10:30just going to come back home and they
10:32dropped me off by place where the train
10:34comes by and I was going to try to jump
10:37on the train but it went by too fast
10:39every time. There's no way I could have
10:40jumped on that train.
10:43Okay.
10:45So, um, did you did you have like a a
10:49disagreement with them or something or
10:52why did you leave their house and and
10:56go go down and and and stay in the shop
10:59or the shed? It was a mis It wasn't a
11:02misagreement. It was me like I have a
11:05difficult time getting along with people
11:07and so I told them I had to
11:08leave and they were like fine with that
11:11and they Yeah. So it was like a mutual
11:14thing. So you just left on foot then?
11:17They dropped me off by the train by
11:19where the train goes by the river by a
11:22river. Okay. Did you have a Were you on
11:26foot or did you have a bicycle or on
11:28foot? Did you ever have a bicycle? Did
11:29you ever find a bicycle? Okay. And any
11:32other transportation other than by foot?
11:38No, not until I stole Mr. Bush's car.
11:41Okay. So, they dropped off at the train
11:44depot and
11:48um you obviously walked from there. How
11:53far do you think you walked? And did you
11:55walk around for a couple days or or was
11:58it the same day that you found the shop?
12:01I think it was like two days. Okay.
12:03Where did you stay for those two days?
12:05In the bushes by the river. Okay.
12:09So, um, when you left the river then to
12:12go and you ultimately ended up at Bob's
12:14property, what what what took you there?
12:18Yeah. I got I was smoking cocaine with
12:20this guy and I got all paranoid that he
12:22was going to beat me up.
12:24You remember who that was? I don't.
12:26Okay. Just a guy in the river. Okay.
12:30So, um, you left him then and then just
12:35happened upon this property.
12:38I was running running through bushes. I
12:40don't know. I thought like all of a
12:41sudden him and a bunch of people were
12:42chasing me and I was like I was really
12:44real like paranoid that they were going
12:46to attack me or something. Mhm. So, I
12:47was just running through all these
12:49bushes and then I stopped
12:52somewhere to listen and I laid there for
12:55a long
12:57time. Seems like
13:00It would not have been like overnight
13:03all the way
13:05overnight. But I then I got up and
13:08started walking
13:13again. And that's when I encountered at
13:16that that um shop.
13:20So, you talked about uh a big shop, a
13:22big shedlike shop, and then you you had
13:24talked about a house and a travel
13:26trailer and a big box fan truck kind of
13:30a thing and then a red car. Um, now,
13:34correct me if I'm wrong, but you had
13:36mentioned, I think, during the
13:37interview, that that you had entered a
13:39shop, the shop, the big metal shop
13:42first. It was a wood wood shop. Like, I
13:45think it was made out of wood. Could it
13:48have been metal or you just don't
13:49remember?
13:52Maybe it could have been, but I don't
13:54think it was.
13:59So, um, it was a pretty good size,
14:01right? Pretty big. Okay.
14:04Um, and what did you do inside the shop
14:07there?
14:08I was walked around looking at stuff and
14:11then I was going to steal some stuff out
14:13of there. So, I stopped. I put it by a
14:16door by a sliding door. Uhhuh. And then
14:19um
14:26um and that's it. And that's how well I
14:28did in there. So if I showed you a quick
14:31clarifying question, how did you get
14:33into the shop?
14:35I think through the side through a side
14:39like there was a a door that you could
14:40you could slide out a little bit or
14:42something.
14:44Was that unlocked? I think that was it.
14:46I honestly don't remember. I don't think
14:48it was unlocked.
14:51So, if I showed you a picture of the
14:52shop, you think you would recognize it?
14:54More than likely, I would imagine that
14:56one.
14:58Did Was there any
15:00um Was there any refrigeration in there?
15:04Any Not that I know of. Fridge, freezer,
15:07anything like that? Not that I know of.
15:09But you said there was some other
15:10property in there. What kind of
15:12property? like all kinds of camping
15:14equipment and shop equipment and like
15:17tools and things like that. Is that
15:19where you got his his tools that you
15:21ended up taking eventually? So the
15:23welder and the Dremel and skill decided
15:27power saws or something when the what
15:29power saws or skill saws or something.
15:31Didn't you say you took a couple of
15:32those too? It seems like I took some
15:35other power tools but I don't remember
15:36what they were but that's where they
15:37came from was the
15:39shop. Okay. Um, and you stayed there for
15:45I don't know, maybe two or three days.
15:47Okay. At what point did you finally dec
15:50decide to go over? I if you hear him in
15:53that shop, you kind of knew that someone
15:54was staying in that travel trailer then
15:56cuz it was close by. It was only 30 40
15:59yards away maybe. Is that about right?
16:01So you knew someone was coming and going
16:03from the travel trailer.
16:06I didn't know that they were living in
16:07there at the time, but then I came under
16:10the impression that somebody was because
16:12it was like like somebody was living in
16:14there currently. So, okay. That time
16:19currently. So, uh at what point did you
16:21decide to go over to the trailer?
16:25Um during one of the days when I was
16:27getting real
16:29hungry, I thought there might be some
16:31food in there.
16:33Okay.
16:35So decided to go in there and look.
16:38Okay. You had mentioned before that
16:40you'd broke a window out to get into the
16:42trailer. That's correct. Okay. Did you
16:44How did you break out the window?
16:46I don't
16:47remember. I don't remember like if I put
16:50something on it and hit it or I don't
16:52remember to be honest. There was a like
16:55a welder's cap.
16:57A welder's like a head protector in the
17:00hole in the stuffed in the hole. Do you
17:02remember anything like that? Could you
17:03have used something like that to cover
17:05your hand with easily? But yeah,
17:10you're not sure if I showed you a
17:12picture, it might you might recall
17:14memory. I remember seeing like some
17:17welder caps, but I don't remember how I
17:19broke the window. Regardless of whether
17:20there was something in the window or
17:21not, I don't remember. Just Did you ever
17:23cut your hand when you broke the window?
17:25Remember cutting your hand? I don't
17:26think so. I think I broke my I think I
17:29cut my hand during the struggle with the
17:31knife right there. You still have a scar
17:34of that? Yeah.
17:37If I take a picture of that
17:41on your thumb or Yeah. Is that what you
17:43just showed me?
17:48That little mark right
17:49there. You think that was caused by the
17:53the knife closing of my hand?
17:56Oh, during the incident itself. Yeah.
17:59How bad did a bleed? I don't remember.
18:08So, uh, you broke the window out of the
18:11door, opened up the door and and went in
18:15the trailer. Was anyone inside the
18:17trailer? No. Do you remember the inside
18:19of the trailer?
18:23I don't. not any more than it just being
18:26a standard trailer like thousands of
18:28trailer or you know I've been in
18:29countless trailers. Do you remember if
18:30it was like really well kept or if it
18:33was kind of disorganized or kind of
18:37moderate like not over like not over
18:40clean or not over dirty just kind of
18:43lived in not like real clean or not real
18:46dirty. Okay. I'm going to I'm going to
18:48show you a picture of the the what I
18:51think is the shop you were in. All
18:52right. Um, and just tell me if you
18:55recognize it. Okay. All right.
19:01That easily could have been it. Yeah.
19:03Okay. That's metal. That's made out of
19:05metal. So, but that's a big shop that
19:08was on the property where the trailer
19:09was. So,
19:12more likely than not that that was the
19:13shop you're talking about, correct?
19:15Okay.
19:19Uh, so you said it wasn't real clean,
19:21but
19:23But it wasn't dirty either. Dirty. So,
19:27uh, you got into the trailer and, um,
19:29was there anything in the trailer that
19:31you were going to take or just or were
19:33you just looking for food? At first, I
19:34was just looking for food and and then I
19:36thought there might be a gun in there or
19:38something. I've been like into guns when
19:41I was younger, so
19:43So, what did you have to eat in the
19:45trailer? A bunch of boxes of granola
19:47bars. Okay. Did you make any food? Just
19:50ate ready to eat food. Anything else?
19:54Not that I remember. I think that was
19:56it. Okay. And I think you told Detective
19:58Wilson that you were in there for like
20:00hours. Probably a long time. So, what
20:03were you doing in the trailer for so
20:04long? Were you sleeping or just hanging
20:08out looking at stuff or Cuz that's quite
20:10a long period of time to be quite honest
20:11with you. It is. Yeah. It's hard to
20:16remember. It just seems like I was in
20:17there for a long time. Okay. Were you
20:20high then?
20:25I'm sure I was, but
20:27not not like just maybe in a residual
20:31way from lack of sleep, like REM
20:33depression. I was probably up I don't
20:36know. I don't
20:38know. Um, from the time that I left
20:42Portland, I mean, I left Salt Lake, I
20:46probably
20:48slept two partial nights in like 20day
20:52period or something, even though I
20:54didn't continue using drugs after I left
20:57Sue and
20:59Calvin. I was probably just, you know,
21:01still kind of gone mentally because of
21:05the bra depation. I would imagine that
21:08had an impact. Not that it's an excuse
21:09or anything, but that's just a like a
21:11legitimate thing like taking
21:14consideration in considering my mind at
21:17the time. Mhm. Not that it takes away
21:19from the responsibility, but absolutely
21:21that would have an impact on, you know,
21:24everything what that would happen. So, I
21:27assume you didn't have any spare clothes
21:29cuz you left Calvin at Sue's place. Did
21:32you take any clothes? Did you find any
21:33clothes to take with you? I don't know.
21:35I don't think I did.
21:38Okay. Um unless I took some clothes
21:41from that I had that I brought from Salt
21:44Lake, maybe. How about any gloves?
21:52I don't remember having any gloves at
21:53all. Okay. Where did you find the
21:56hammer?
21:58I think it was just I think it was
22:00inside of the trailer somewhere. Was
22:02just laying there. I think so. So it was
22:04kind of an impulsive Yeah. You said you
22:07saw Bob come home. Yeah. So the first
22:11thing that I Cuz Okay. Cuz you kind of
22:15knew that he was going to find you in
22:16there. Yeah. Yeah. So when you I mean
22:19what was your frame of mind then? You
22:21just like didn't want to get caught. You
22:24So did you know you were going to attack
22:25him as soon as he came in the trailer?
22:27That's what I thought was that I would I
22:29would hit him and then take his car and
22:30leave. Okay. I didn't think that he
22:33would be able to like He didn't even It
22:36didn't even seem to phase him. The
22:38hammer didn't even phase him. Okay. Um I
22:41think you told me that you hit I think
22:43you told Detective Wilson that you hit
22:45Bob in the head. Yeah. Was So he was
22:49facing you when you hit him with a
22:50hammer. Correct. Yeah. So do you do you
22:52know for sure where you hit him? In the
22:54head. Okay. Cuz there's a really big
22:56gash on on his eye just beneath his eye.
22:59Could you have hit him there with the
23:00hammer? Maybe.
23:03Okay. So, you said when you hit him with
23:05the hammer, it didn't phase him at all.
23:07Probably it probably just made him mad
23:09probably. So, what happened right after
23:10you hit him with the hammer?
23:13He kind of charged toward
23:16me and
23:18um then I saw the knife on the ground
23:21and I grabbed it really quick and and he
23:24was like tackling
23:26me and
23:30And I pulled out the knife as quick as I
23:32could out of the case and everything and
23:34started stabbing him. So you said it was
23:36a Leatherman tool. Yeah. So are you sure
23:40of that or you just think that's what it
23:41was? It was either a Leatherman or a
23:43Gerber multi-purpose tool. It was
23:46definitely a multi-purpose tool. It
23:48wasn't a folding knife. No. But it was
23:49in a case. Yep. So you actually had to
23:52take the case open, remove the device,
23:54and then open it up. Yeah. So a Letoman
23:57tool is Leatherman tool is you have to
24:01open it up and then take a blade out of
24:02the handle itself. So you had to
24:04manipulate quite a bit. Do you remember
24:06doing that? I do. Just briefly it was
24:09like getting tackled and like just super
24:11fast. I don't know. It's like who
24:14couldn't even imagine? But that's
24:16exactly what happened. Okay. Was he
24:17hitting you? No, he was like tackling me
24:21like with his arms. So there was no
24:23blows being thrown. was like just coming
24:26at me and then I got I actually was able
24:29to reach down while he's like pushing at
24:32me, open it up. Believe it or not, I
24:34opened the whole thing up and started
24:36stabbing him and that's exactly what
24:39happened. Was it like a bear hug that
24:41Okay. So, he had you wrapped up kind of
24:42in his arms then? Kind of. Not all the
24:45way though. Like you started pushing
24:47towards me and then But you were able to
24:50open it up. I was. And you had mentioned
24:52that you stabbed him a bunch of times in
24:53the stomach. Was that because you
24:56couldn't get higher because he had you
24:58in a bear hive or do you remember? Cuz
25:00there was a lot of stab wounds in his
25:01stomach. Probably because I was like
25:04down like I when I went down to pick it
25:07up. He's a big guy. Mhm. And um and I
25:10just started stabbing the first place
25:12that I could see. And he and he kept
25:14coming, kept coming, kept coming, kept
25:15coming. It didn't like it seemed to like
25:18it wasn't doing much to him. I mean,
25:21obviously it was killing him, but he was
25:24a strong man. So, yeah. At what point
25:28did he fall down or did you push him
25:29down?
25:33I really don't know. I don't know. Well,
25:35at some point you must have been on top
25:37of him
25:39maybe at the end. I don't know. I don't
25:41think
25:42uh Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then I covered
25:45him with some blankets and stuff.
25:51At one point he stopped pushing towards
25:55me and
25:57then I stabbed him maybe five more
26:00times and he said, "You're killing me."
26:03Was he still standing there? Stop. Yeah.
26:06And then he was
26:08falling. And it's hard to remember like
26:10it's hard to remember like the exact
26:12details, but I just like
26:16How long did he live then after you
26:17stopped stabbing him?
26:24I don't know.
26:31Maybe maybe five minutes or so. Maybe.
26:34Quite a while then. Yeah, because five
26:37minutes is quite a while if you're Yeah.
26:39Watching something like that. Yeah,
26:42maybe. Was he in? The reason I think
26:44that's cuz that's when I I think that I
26:46started smelling like feces and urine.
26:49Oh, okay. So, I think that that that he
26:52was deceased at that point. That he may
26:54have died before that. Okay. Did he say
26:57anything after he fell down? No. So, he
26:59only just said, "You're killing me when
27:01you were fighting with him." Yeah. Is
27:05that the only thing he said? Yeah. Never
27:07say anything else? No.
27:12So after you after you thought he was
27:15dead and you smelled
27:18smelled urine and feces. Yeah. Um you
27:21stuck around for a while. I did. Okay.
27:24Why did you stick around?
27:27Panic. I didn't I don't even know what
27:29Yeah. What was going through my mind? I
27:32could try to think of it and not I don't
27:35even
27:36know. I was scared obviously. I was
27:39really scared. I like I
27:48think Did they hear like horn like a
27:51horn blast in the house that night? Do
27:54you know who? The people that were
27:57living in the house.
28:00Oh, why do you ask that? I'm just
28:03wondering. I don't know. There was I
28:06don't know where would the horn blast
28:07come from? Like when I was driving away
28:09I was h I honked the horn in his in his
28:12car. Oh, accidentally? Yeah, I think
28:15accidentally, but maybe. So, you were in
28:18his you were in his trailer for a little
28:19while after it happened. Yeah. And um I
28:22think you said you took his wallet and
28:23his ID and um and did you take anything
28:28else out of the trailer?
28:30Take some food with you. Probably some
28:32granola bars. Okay. Anything
28:35else? Cup perhaps?
28:39Not that I remember. Okay. Just Where
28:41did you find his car keys at?
28:45In his pocket. So you dug through his
28:47pockets and grabbed his wallet, grabbed
28:48his keys, take any money. There was some
28:51money in his wallet, but I don't know
28:53how much. It was
28:54like maybe 30 bucks or something. 20,
28:5730, 40 bucks. Okay. Did you take
28:58anything out of the wallet and leave it
29:00there?
29:02Not that I remember. Okay.
29:07Um, so you eventually left the trailer
29:10and uh you must have gone back to the
29:13shop, correct? Yeah. There was some
29:16um barbecue sauce and pickles and
29:20mustard, I think, and bunch of other
29:22like condiments and some um some meat
29:25that like it had been taken out of our
29:27freezer. It was staged in the shop.
29:33It was very like it was staged. It was
29:35like set on the floor like like it was
29:38uh put there intending for someone to
29:40come back and get it later or something.
29:42You remember that kind of stuff?
29:44Probably.
29:45Yeah, probably. That must have I mean
29:48assuming that must have come out of the
29:49trailer. Do you know? I don't think so.
29:52Would it have come from the shop? Yeah.
29:54Where did you find that stuff in the
29:55shop? I don't remember. But I don't I
29:58don't I wouldn't have taken I'm going to
30:00show you a picture of that stuff, too.
30:01something that you might have to
30:04recall. This was in the shop.
30:13There might have been a freezer
30:14somewhere. Do you think there was a
30:16freezer in the
30:17shop? I mean, were you intending to
30:19maybe eat that there in while you were
30:22staying in the shop or or you just don't
30:25remember? I don't remember. I probably
30:27did eat some stuff in that shop or
30:28something. Okay.
30:30But I don't remember.
30:33Is it possible that you brought that
30:34stuff from the trailer and like left it
30:38there while you were taking things out
30:39of the shop to leave? I don't think I
30:41would have taken it from the camper to
30:44the car to the to the camper. I mean to
30:48the shop and then take it out of the
30:51sense into the shop. No, it's likely you
30:54you might have found this in the the
30:56shop.
31:00So, you
31:02uh did you back the car over to the shop
31:04to load it up or were you carrying
31:06everything from the shop over to the
31:07car? I think I pulled it over by the
31:10door. Pulled the car over by the door.
31:13You took some tools, a welder, Dremel
31:16tool, things like that, and put it in in
31:19the car or in the trunk? In the car. In
31:21the in the I'm not sure exactly where I
31:23put it. Probably. Okay. And this
31:28Okay. This car that you this Bob's car
31:31that you took, it was a red car. Yeah.
31:34And um you had mentioned that it was a
31:36Chevy Impala. That's my belief. Okay.
31:39That's your belief. So
31:42um it's my belief it was a different
31:45kind of a car, but it was red. Okay. Um
31:49and if I showed you a picture of that,
31:50you think you'd remember?
31:53Probably. Okay, there's there's
31:57one. There's another with a tire. Not
32:02yet. Thunderbird.
32:04Yeah, it didn't seem like it. Let me
32:07show you. I'll show you a picture of the
32:08inside. Maybe maybe the driver's
32:10compartment. Maybe that might spark a
32:12movie for
32:13you. Looks like it was a a
32:16manual manual transmission.
32:27This is Bob. This is Bob's car. I don't
32:30remember whether it was manual or
32:32automatic. Okay. But it was definitely a
32:35red car. Yep.
32:37Okay. This is Bob's car that was taken
32:40from his property. All right. When you
32:44And you had mentioned um on your way
32:47south after you left Bob's house. Yeah.
32:50after this all had happened. Um, you
32:53left Bob's property that night, like
32:57within hours after killing him. Correct.
32:59Yeah. Okay. Um, and do you remember, I
33:03know it's going to be hard for you to
33:04recall, but do you remember what time of
33:06the day this happened between you and
33:10Bob? It was summertime, so it was
33:13probably light until about 9:00 at
33:15night. Then it's hard to estimate
33:17because it was Seems
33:22like sometime between 5:00 p.m. and 7:00
33:25p.m. So, it was still light out then. A
33:28little bit. Okay. I think. And you had
33:30mentioned um when you drove down to
33:32Portland, you and you were headed down
33:33to Portland
33:35to do what?
33:39There's a couple. I was trying to go to
33:40Salt Lake. I was just trying to go back
33:42head back home. Were you intending to
33:44drive the car back home? Yeah. Okay.
33:46Probably. Uh, but you fell asleep and
33:50you hit a barrier or something. Yeah.
33:53Those cement medians like on a freeway.
33:56Okay. They're, you know, just those
33:59center dividers. They're concrete. Do
34:01you remember where that was? It was
34:06um, it had to have been in Portland. And
34:10why do you say that?
34:13Or on the outskirts. because soon after
34:17I pulled
34:19over pulled off the freeway into the
34:22park and um that turned out to be
34:25Burnside Portland or something. Okay.
34:29The car was found with a flat tire. It
34:33was actually the the tire that was flat.
34:35This is actually the right front tire
34:37that um and it looked like it had some
34:41abrasions on it or something from from
34:43hitting something hard like maybe a
34:44cement barrier or something
34:47barricade. Does that look familiar to
34:50you? That's the front right tire of a
34:57vehicle. I I can't remember. That
35:00doesn't look that doesn't look really
35:02familiar. Okay. Did you ever get out and
35:04look at it or just kind of realize that
35:06it was flat tire and that that it was
35:08kind of out of commission at that point?
35:10Yeah, I looked at it a couple of times,
35:12but I don't remember the the details
35:16about how it looked. Okay. Well, the
35:18story that you told the other night um
35:21to Detective Wilson
35:23um actually was consistent with the
35:25condition of the vehicle. Mhm. Um I mean
35:27being 22 years ago, it's I mean I can
35:30see why you would maybe mistake the
35:31front left tire from the front right
35:33tire. I think I said the front right
35:35tire. Actually you said the front left.
35:36That's what was kind of That's what made
35:38me go back and look at the photos. But I
35:39was pretty sure I said front right.
35:41Okay. Well, it is the front right. Yeah,
35:42that's correct.
35:45Or Oh,
35:46wait. Front right? You mean on the
35:49driver's side or the passenger side?
35:51Passenger side. That's the passenger
35:53side tire that was that was damaged.
36:02If so, that's weird. I don't It didn't
36:04seem like that was the one. Well,
36:06nonetheless, I mean, you you knew that
36:07there was a flat tire. That's why you
36:08pulled off the freeway and and that's
36:10Bob's car and that's the condition it
36:12was found in. So, I mean, it's just a
36:15little hiccup. No, it's not that big of
36:16a deal, I think, because it I mean, you
36:18knew that the car was disabled.
36:21Can I ask you just a clarifying question
36:23back to Sue and Calvin? Uh Sue was your
36:26friend's cousin. Calvin was the husband
36:28or boyfriend. How old were they?
36:32I would say
36:36I would say Oh, it's hard to I don't
36:39know for sure. Maybe in their mid 20s.
36:41Okay. And uh to early 30s, what did they
36:44do for a living that you remember
36:46jobwise?
36:48I don't think they were employed.
36:50Okay. Did they have an apartment? Do
36:52they have a house? A house. A house. And
36:54did they live uh in the city limit? So
36:56in in down in Kelso somewhere or outside
36:59of Kelso or I'm not sure the layout
37:02there, but I know like Kelso or you know
37:06right there. Okay. Do they have any
37:08kids? Yeah, they had um a daughter. Do
37:10you remember her name? I don't.
37:15Okay. She's a cool kid though.
37:19And how old was she at the time? 12. 12
37:22years old. Yeah.
37:27That's all I have for that.
37:34Um, you pull off the
37:36freeway, parked somewhere to park. You
37:38were told you couldn't stay there, so
37:41you drove the car over to Did you drive
37:43or push the
37:45car? I was trying to remember.
37:48You ended up somewhere else.
37:50Yeah. There's a guy that like stopped um
37:54with the police officer there, said he'd
37:57give me a hand. So, I think he towed me
38:00to the gas
38:03station and then I went I stayed with
38:06him for like the next seven or so days.
38:09But you left Bob's car at a in a big
38:11parking lot. Mhm. Okay.
38:13And it's and you removed all the pro
38:15removed all the stolen property that you
38:17took from Bob's house and took it with
38:19you with the other people. Yeah. Did you
38:22um there was a a blue shirt that was
38:25left there at the scene. Was that do you
38:27remember if that was your blue shirt or
38:30or
38:32could have been Bob's or do you remember
38:34what you were wearing? If you take took
38:36any clothes off, cleaned yourself up
38:39anywhere?
38:41If I would have cleaned myself up, the
38:42the clothes that I had on would have
38:44been bloody. Mhm. So, if they weren't
38:47bloody, then I don't know if I I would
38:49have to look at them and see if they're
38:51like the ones that I had or Do you
38:52remember stopping anywhere on the way to
38:54Portland, like at a rest area or
38:55anything to clean up
38:57or cuz you had to have blood all over
38:59you?
39:02I cleaned up when I got to their to to
39:05those people's place. They took my the
39:08the bloody clothes and let me take a
39:11shower.
39:12Okay. Did you tell them what she had
39:14done?
39:16Not specifically.
39:18You said something about making up a
39:20story about something else. Yeah. That
39:21something happened to my sister and I
39:23had to I had to take care of it. I
39:27thought that would be explanation
39:28enough,
39:31but I mean I they
39:36you were in Kelso for
39:39probably what a couple weeks maybe.
39:43Yeah.
39:45So, what did you do for money while you
39:48were in Kelso?
39:50I didn't have a job or anything. I had a
39:53little bit of money left. Okay.
39:57Sue and Cal like supported us with some
39:59food and stuff.
40:02That's your cousin and you were staying
40:04with them. My friend or your friend
40:06their cousin uh this Randy Davis. Did
40:09you do you remember anybody in Kelso
40:11that you would have met and remembered?
40:15Uh anybody first and last name? Can you
40:18think of anybody you ran into that
40:20really sticks out in your mind
40:22um other than those those folks?
40:26a bar, uh, another house. Were you ever
40:31contacted by the police while you were
40:32in Kelso?
40:36No. Do you remember stealing anything
40:39while you were in Kelso other than from
40:41Bob?
40:43No. Damaging any property? No.
40:45Assaulting anyone else? Engaged in any
40:48fights or anything? He wasn't any what?
40:51Engaged in any fights with anybody?
40:59What did you do for the two weeks?
41:02Mostly got high.
41:08Do you remember who you were getting
41:09your drugs
41:11from? Really not an issue for us now,
41:14but you get it from Sue and Cal. Did
41:17they offer you any? Uh, it doesn't
41:20matter. It's irrelevant. Okay. Yeah,
41:22they're not Nobody's in any trouble. I
41:23just trying to confirm a few things.
41:28Can you I mean, you've had a couple days
41:30to kind of think about this. I mean,
41:33obviously 22 years actually, but since
41:35you actually came forward and began
41:37talking about it, have you did you think
41:40of anything that you didn't tell the
41:42detectives the other night
41:45that that you remember now?
41:51In other words, is there anything else
41:53that that you feel is important that you
41:55haven't talked about yet? No.
42:00The knife that that um that you stabbed
42:02Bob with? Yeah. You took it with you,
42:05you said. Yeah. And you had it with you
42:07until you were arrested in uh
42:11Portland. And you said
42:14um they the
42:17jail had it when they took property off
42:20of you at the jail and you never got it
42:22back. Mhm. Do you know what they did
42:24with it? Do you know if they just
42:26destroyed it or if they asked you if
42:27they could destroy it or if they gave it
42:29to someone else or They never said
42:31anything to me about just never anything
42:32about it. Okay.
42:40the um you were you were originally
42:42charged with possession of some kind of
42:45an illicit drug in Portland when you
42:47were when you were arrested down there
42:48because you overdosed I think in a bar I
42:51think you said that's correct.
42:54So I'm just going to make an assumption
42:56here and correct me if I'm wrong. So,
42:58the the prop Bob's property that you
43:00had, you uh traded it or sold it or
43:04whatever, the drugs that you used that
43:06you overdosed on. Mhm. Was that
43:09purchased with the prop Bob's property
43:11that you
43:12sold? Cuz you probably didn't have any
43:14money then. I don't the way that it was
43:17working is I started trading that his
43:20property for meth and I was shooting
43:22meth to get high and I started going out
43:24of my mind and I started telling the
43:27people that I was with I couldn't live
43:28with what I did and I have to kill
43:30myself and can you get some heroin cuz I
43:32didn't really use heroin. I use mostly
43:34cocaine, but then I started doing
43:36methylank. I went up there and um
43:40so um I asked that this that lady if she
43:44could give me some heroin and so she got
43:46me some heroin and I went into the bar
43:49and I was sitting
43:50there and I ended up shooting up like
43:54155 units of heroin which I only maybe
43:58done heroin twice in my life or
44:00something, but so that's what happened.
44:03And you were eventually um taken to the
44:06hospital. Yeah. Do you remember which
44:07hospital you were at? I don't. Okay. Do
44:10you remember which bar you were the name
44:12of it? Um I don't. Was any landmarks
44:17around or anything that we
44:24I don't remember.
44:28Yeah. I don't remember. I just remember
44:29telling him I had to leave and that I
44:31had to die.
44:33And then I got the heroin from them and
44:35I left and I found the very first place
44:36that I found was a bar and I walked in
44:39there and they asked me for my ID and I
44:41gave them my orange sweet halfway house
44:43ID card and bought a picture of beer.
44:46Only took like a little drink out of it
44:48and then went into the bathroom and had
44:51this big spoon and I mixed the heroin in
44:53there and drew up one syringe full and
44:56another one that was like 65 units full.
44:59on. I was sitting there like having a
45:02hard time doing it. like actually just
45:03going through with it and then I heard
45:06somebody coming into the bathroom and I
45:09just like just did it finally
45:13like I probably sat there for maybe half
45:16an hour just trying to get up the nerve
45:17to actually just pushed into my veins
45:20and then that's when I did it was and
45:23this guy walked
45:26in and this I got that one holy big one
45:30in there and the one that had like 95
45:32units and then the other one I probably
45:34got about I don't know 50 units or
45:37something and then I was out like just
45:39totally out
45:40cold and next thing I remember I was
45:43coming to on this
45:45stretcher and that was when that's what
45:50that's what last thing I mean that's
45:52what happened there. So you went to the
45:55hospital. Yeah. And then you went from
45:57the hospital to the jail. Yeah. And they
46:00charged you with
46:04Excuse me. Do you remember what your
46:06charges were? I know one of them was
46:09drug possession. Yeah.
46:11And fugitive from justice from leaving
46:14here. Yep. And what were you
46:17D warrant or something for using in that
46:19half my house? Is that what the what the
46:21charge was? You remember? I can't
46:24remember for sure. You had another
46:25warrant from here though. Mhm. Okay.
46:28Um then you spent almost a month I think
46:30in Multma County Jail and then you were
46:32extraed over here directly from the
46:34jail. Does that sound right? Okay. There
46:38was a um there was a note that you wrote
46:40that you said you wrote at Bob's house
46:42in the in the trailer. Yeah. And you
46:45said something about you wrote it, you
46:47know, assuming that you were Bob, you
46:49wrote it that you were the coming over
46:51to somebody's house. Okay. And the name
46:54was a name of somebody who whose address
46:57and name was inside of his trailer.
47:00Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think I know why
47:02you did that, but you put the note on
47:04there
47:04[Music]
47:07to just make it look like somebody so
47:10nobody would question like where like
47:13why is
47:15why he's not answering the door. Yeah.
47:16Okay. Uh where did you put that note at?
47:21I think on the door, like on the outside
47:24of the door, I
47:27think I don't remember for sure, but I
47:30don't believe so. Okay.
47:33Um,
47:37did you sign it Bob or did you sign it
47:41somebody else's name?
47:44I can't remember. I would imagine that I
47:46would sign it Bob. Did you say anything
47:48about a designated driver?
47:53Okay. Not that I Not that I know. Can't
47:56remember.
47:59You also said that you while you were
48:01after after you killed Bob, you were
48:03inside the trailer for a little while
48:05and someone came and knocked on the
48:08door. Did you look out to see who it
48:11was? Did they see anything through the
48:14door?
48:19Like is there anything new on yelling
48:20like Bobby in there or I think okay if
48:23that's if that's how you want to be or
48:25something. I think
48:27and I think you told Detective Wilson it
48:29sound like someone younger that Yeah.
48:31Yeah. Like a kid maybe or Yeah. And
48:34you're and you were sure of that. Pretty
48:36sure. Do you Did you see where they went
48:38after they left the trailer? No. Do you
48:40know if it might have been someone that
48:41lived at the house nearby or That was my
48:44assumption even though I didn't one way
48:46or the other cuz I didn't see him
48:47approach. I didn't hear I didn't see him
48:49go. I didn't see them in any direction.
48:53You know they were alone. It seemed like
48:55it.
49:02Um give me a picture that Well, there's
49:05cats in the
49:07hole. Take a second. I'll find
49:13it. The hammer. Um, after you hit Bob in
49:18the face with it or in the head with it,
49:21did you throw it down or did it drop out
49:23of your hand or during the struggle
49:25maybe did it? I don't
49:28remember. And um, a picture of the
49:31covered the pile.
49:34Yeah. One quick question. When you broke
49:36it broke in, did you did you do anything
49:38with broken
49:40glass? Would you thought to do anything
49:42with it on the way in just so nobody
49:44looks
49:46look like it's maybe
49:50this is the inside of the trailer where
49:53the glass was broke, right? And there
49:55was like a well there's cap. So yeah,
50:00and the only thing the only two things
50:01and you can correct me if I'm wrong.
50:02Only two things I could think of that
50:04that might be for would be either to
50:06protect your hand while you're breaking
50:07it if you happen to break it with your
50:09hand or to just kind of plug the hole
50:12after the fact.
50:15I don't remember though. I really don't
50:17remember.
50:21Okay. It's just kind of an unusual place
50:23for a for a welder's cap to be I mean if
50:26I mean you wouldn't if you were living
50:27in the trailer I can't imagine you would
50:29leave a welder's cap in the It doesn't
50:31make sense to me.
50:32It almost looks like it was placed there
50:33by someone, which would likely have been
50:36you, I'd imagine.
50:38Yep, that would be my assumption. Okay.
50:40You remember when you uh maybe tried to
50:43stop the bleeding the most on your
50:44finger when it's bleeding? You remember
50:46you use a rag or a glove or a shirt or
50:50your pants or I don't remember any of
50:53it. Not any of that actually. I don't
50:55remember.
50:58Which finger got cut? Your left? Yeah,
51:00my left thumb. Are you left-handed? No,
51:02I'm right-handed. Did you stab mostly
51:05with your left or mostly with your right
51:06or both? I think mostly with my right.
51:10I think it might have closed on my hand
51:12when I was trying to open it. Okay. Cuz
51:15it was like in a struggle.
51:21Um it and this is a pretty significant
51:25incident in your life which I mean you
51:27have some pretty clear recollection of
51:30um do you
51:32remember before you left the trailer? Do
51:34you
51:35remember like looking on the floor
51:39and before you left what how you left
51:42the trailer?
51:45I think I was I I stuck blankets on him.
51:51And you did that just
51:53to just to conceal him? I honestly don't
51:56know. I don't know. I was like or were
51:59you I could think back and probably
52:02apply a number of different reasons.
52:04Some of them conscious, some of them
52:06unconscious. I mean, there's a whole lot
52:08of reasons. Well, maybe just did you
52:10cover him so you didn't have to look at
52:11him dead? Maybe that might have been
52:13something. Yeah. I mean,
52:16and I have a picture of a hammer. The
52:18only hammer that was really there, you
52:20said it was a kind of a ballpeen kind of
52:22a hammer, but the one that was present
52:23at the scene was a little bit
52:26different.
52:28Um, you only saw one hammer. Did you see
52:30more than one hammer in the in the
52:32trailer or was it just the one?
52:36I don't remember. Okay. Whatever. There
52:38was more than one. That's the hammer
52:40that was there. Someone familiar.
52:51I might have a wrong recollection of it.
52:53Okay. Well, that was that was right next
52:56to Bob when he was discovered. So, could
52:59you have put some gloves on after the
53:03fact to to work with the the towels or
53:06the ra the blankets or him or could you
53:09have put some gloves on that maybe were
53:12inside the trailer that you found?
53:14Maybe, but I don't remember. I don't
53:17remember how like there being gloves. Do
53:19you remember what uh I know you were
53:22said you were a smoker back then. Do you
53:23remember what kind of cigarettes he
53:25used?
53:27from the trailer.
53:29I don't know if he smoked or not. Do you
53:32remember um any of the manuals or
53:34anything that were laying around? I know
53:36there was a computer book. Okay. I
53:40remember a computer book and and I
53:42didn't even know that he smoked and and
53:45except I saw in the ashtray in that car
53:48in the photo of his car there were
53:50cigarette butts in there.
53:54You remember a bunch of cigarette butts
53:56in the car when you were driving it?
53:59I don't remember one way or the other.
54:00Okay. In that respect, but you just say
54:02that because of the picture. Yeah.
54:06So, I'm going to show you a picture of
54:07the trailer when when uh when the police
54:10finally showed up at the trailer when
54:11the body was
54:13discovered.
54:18Um, can you tell me if this is this if
54:21this to your to your best recollection
54:23that this is the condition in which you
54:24left it?
54:26Why would it matter? Like if I don't
54:29even I don't Well, I'll I'll explain why
54:30after I show you the picture. Okay.
54:32There there's actually a reason why I'm
54:34asking this question. Okay. Do you think
54:37you might recall it or not? I don't
54:40know. Because if you don't think if you
54:42didn't never I mean after you covered
54:44him up you said you covered him up with
54:45a bunch of blankets just stuff from
54:48inside the trailer there that was laying
54:50around. Correct. So you covered him
54:54up.
54:56Um could you have covered up with some
54:58clothing too?
55:00Probably. Just a bunch of articles that
55:02were there at the time. Probably.
55:09Do you remember a like a bright like
55:11afghan kind of a blanket at all? There's
55:15the one that I saw in that other picture
55:18that's
55:19pink. Like I saw just a glimpse of one
55:22in that other picture. I wouldn't have
55:25remembered it. Let me show Let me just
55:27show this to you. Does that Does that
55:28look like like perhaps the the way you
55:32left it when you left the trailer?
55:45probably I think so.
55:52What else did you tell about what
55:54happened? Nobody ever except
55:59for Yeah. when I was on bath salt at
56:03Lone Peak. What's Lone Peak? It's a one
56:07of the parts of the Utah State Prison.
56:11Who did you tell there? I think it was
56:13the FBI like talking to them in my sleep
56:16like I wasn't asleep or whatever, but
56:19investigators from somewhere and I had
56:23mentioned something and
56:26like you dreamt it or something.
56:30No, even though I was probably somewhat
56:33hallucinating, it was still real and I'm
56:35very aware of how real it was.
56:39Was there in prison? I was in prison.
56:42Yeah. Did some investigators came to
56:43your cell or to the infirmary or I'm not
56:46quite sure where they were but they're
56:48probably up in the rafters or I mean
56:51there's probably different
56:52parts that they can go to make
56:56observations of the prison prisoners and
56:59I mean this will sound weird or whatever
57:02but so I think that
57:06they're yeah asking me different
57:08questions and I was answering in weird
57:11ways.
57:12that were probably who knows what they
57:14appeared like. But had has that ever
57:17happened to you before in the past
57:20where anywhere?
57:24Not quite like that. Maybe with the
57:27similar like just questions and stuff,
57:29but it So you're saying it like kind of
57:32like you were hallucinating now? Mhm.
57:35Does that happen to you often or is that
57:37kind of the only time? No, I mean most
57:40of it has been drugreated. Okay. And so
57:42it's not You got booked into the Malone
57:45County Jail after you were in the
57:46hospital for the over
57:48overdosing and you got put in with
57:51whoever you were you were bunking with.
57:54Uh did you tell anybody about this
57:56incident or even allude to it a little
57:58bit?
58:00I think I told
58:02one one I think I might have told a
58:05couple of I didn't say anything specific
58:10but
58:13I alluded to it I didn't mention Kel I
58:16don't think maybe I
58:18did it's hard to remember yeah it's a
58:21long time ago
58:24have you ever been I'm not sure have you
58:26ever been taken to the house taken into
58:27custody and taken to the hospital by the
58:30police
58:32um that day um before they took me to
58:35Mult Mult. I mean at any time in your
58:38life, not not because of this issues,
58:40not because of your overdose, have you
58:42ever been contacted by the police and
58:45questioned and taken to the hospital for
58:47like a mental health evaluation? No.
58:50Okay.
59:03Who are you [ __ ] with right now?
59:10Um, I can't even remember his name. I
59:12think his name's
59:14Jim. He introduced himself like today. I
59:17asked him what his name was, but I can't
59:19remember now.
59:21Did you talk to him at all?
59:24Not at length. I mostly slipped. And he
59:27slept. I'm going to be I'm going to be
59:28perfectly honest with you. I'm just
59:30going to tell you right now that I'm I'm
59:32going to go talk to him. So, did you say
59:35anything to him about why you're in
59:36there? No. Okay.
59:46Did he ask you?
59:49Okay.
59:55Anything else?
59:59You have any questions for us?
1:00:04Yeah, be willing to answer your
1:00:05questions for you if you have any.
1:00:08You you'll get you'll get extradited to
1:00:10Washington back to our to our jail. Um
1:00:14and uh if you want to reach out to us at
1:00:17any point, talk to us. Um, you just tell
1:00:20one of the one of the corrections
1:00:21officers there that you want to talk to
1:00:23the Kelso detectives. All right. We'll
1:00:25come they'll give a message to us and
1:00:27we'll come talk to you. All right. Um,
1:00:32we're going to end up coming out and
1:00:33picking you up. Maybe not us, but some
1:00:35will probably the next week or two. All
1:00:37right. Yeah. Just depends on whether or
1:00:39not you fight the extradition or not.
1:00:42And that's not anything we care about,
1:00:43but that's up to you.
1:00:46Um, can I can I ask just let's if we can
1:00:49go back to what made you walk in the
1:00:52door this weekend and tell somebody this
1:00:54and write that note. Can we can you mind
1:00:56if I ask you why you did that? Yeah.
1:00:58It's been a long time in coming. Yeah.
1:01:02Something I've been running from
1:01:03forever and just Yeah. It's nothing.
1:01:07It's not my doing.
1:01:10What do you mean by that?
1:01:16Yeah.
1:01:18I mean, you trying to do the right thing
1:01:19or do you think like you've been forced
1:01:20to come in here? Trying to do the right
1:01:22thing but having a lot of difficulty for
1:01:25a long time. So, yeah. Were you ever
1:01:28forced to come in here and talk about
1:01:29it? Anybody? No.
1:01:32So, you came in here voluntarily on your
1:01:33own valition? Mhm.
1:01:37Did you get any tattoos while you were
1:01:38in Kelso?
1:01:40I didn't. And we have some tattoo people
1:01:43up
1:01:45there. Had you ever been to Kelso before
1:01:49that two week period? Had you ever been
1:01:52there before? I had. Have you ever been
1:01:54back since?
1:01:58Had you ever been in the
1:02:00trailer before the when you the day you
1:02:03went in and got confronted by him? No.
1:02:08Um, did you know him at all before this
1:02:13incident? I didn't. The reason I ask is
1:02:16his driver's license says Robert Bush.
1:02:19You keep referring to him as Bob. And
1:02:21I'm just wonder if you just you've come
1:02:23to that because most Roberts go by Bob.
1:02:25Is that why you've done that or No, I
1:02:28think that his license is Bob. Okay. And
1:02:32you you said you got rid of that
1:02:33license. How did you get rid of that
1:02:34license?
1:02:36inside of a window sill
1:02:40um of a vehicle. Okay. That the guy was
1:02:42letting me stay at his his house. Okay.
1:02:45You remember what kind of car that was?
1:02:47It was a one of those vans that um have
1:02:52like a a bed. They're like a flat nose
1:02:55van like a older kind of like they're
1:02:59kind of unique. Um I don't know how to
1:03:04what the terminology used to describe
1:03:06them is but like a Volkswagen van kind
1:03:09of but it but um like a Volkswagen van
1:03:14but with a truck bed instead of a
1:03:20You don't remember their names? I don't
1:03:22I don't. How old were they?
1:03:25They were
1:03:26probably I think the guy was maybe four
1:03:29or five years older than me and the
1:03:31woman was probably 15 years older than
1:03:34or 10 years older than me or 15 years
1:03:36older than me. Do they have kids?
1:03:40Not that I know of. Okay.
1:03:45Um,
1:03:50had you ever been in the car before the
1:03:53time you took it? No. Had never been in
1:03:55there. Okay.
1:04:03Do you remember anything that happened
1:04:04to the license plate to the front of
1:04:06that car?
1:04:08I
1:04:09don't. Okay.
1:04:38No questions for us. No.
1:04:42B, I really appreciate you talking to
1:04:43us. It does answer a lot of questions
1:04:45about peripheral things that that we
1:04:48thought were related to this that
1:04:51you know, may or may or may not have
1:04:53been at this point. So, but
1:04:57um it is helpful. I appreciate your
1:05:00willingness to come over here. Can we
1:05:02get a picture just your face shot um
1:05:06before we leave? Sure.
1:05:14And just to let you know too, when we
1:05:15get back from the jail, we'll probably
1:05:17get some fingerprints from me, too. I
1:05:20just let you know ahead of
1:05:39time.
1:05:42Um, do you want to come over with me
1:05:44then?
1:05:46cuz someone need to catch somebody over
1:05:48there real quick and
1:05:50then are you
1:05:52um you still drinking that? Okay. I
1:05:56don't know if they'll let you take the
1:05:57water back into the jail or not. So, you
1:06:00would you like to drink that, too? No,
1:06:01I'm good. No. Okay. Thank you. Yeah.
1:06:04Let's go. Um hang up for just a second
1:06:06here. We're going to make sure that
1:06:08Detective Wilson's ready to help us out
1:06:10and get you back over to the jail. We'll
1:06:13be right back.
1:06:19Thank you. Thank you.
1:09:08Bren ready.
1:09:11You want a sip of water or anything
1:09:12before we go? No, I'm good. Thank you.
1:09:17Brandon Wright was later extradited to
1:09:19Washington where he pleaded guilty to
1:09:21seconddegree murder and was sentenced to
1:09:2317 years in prison. After more than two
1:09:26decades of silence, he finally faced the
1:09:28consequences of what he'd done. But what
1:09:30do you think? Was 17 years enough for a
1:09:33crime like this, or did the weight of
1:09:35guilt already serve part of the
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