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0:01Everybody only units respond in here.
0:07All units respond. Go to code.
0:10On the afternoon of July 6th, 2012,
0:13Oakland police were dispatched to Clay
0:15and 7th Street after reports of a
0:17violent domestic incident unfolding in
0:19broad daylight. The suspect, 41-year-old
0:22Jamas Pearson, had allegedly tried to
0:24run over his girlfriend with a gold 1997
0:26Nissan Maxima during a heated argument.
0:29According to Pearson, she had threatened
0:31to stab him, but instead of walking
0:33away, he got in his car and aimed it at
0:36her. As officers arrived, they witnessed
0:38the vehicle lurching forward. One
0:40officer, believing there was an imminent
0:42threat to life, opened fire on the
0:44moving car. We do not need any units
0:47down here.
0:50You also need to traffic control both at
0:528 and uh eighth and clay. Eighth and
0:55clay. Stop all uh stop all south
0:57compound traffic and all uh on
1:02[Music]
1:04Okay, I need to get
1:15running here. It's the car. There's my
1:18car. Can I get my wallet up there? Hey,
1:20who's got a patrol car? You got a patrol
1:23car
1:25with you.
1:33Where's your car?
1:41Hey. Hey, come back.
1:44Trying to hurt me. I don't make it to
1:46work. I'm just scared.
1:49Okay. Okay. And I told him to drive by
1:52the police station cuz he was on the
1:54back of the car and he was driving us.
1:57We was in a little car. He was driving
1:59us. He We stopped. I jumped out and he
2:02came on the curb. As he came on the
2:04curb, he he didn't stop. So I ran. I ran
2:07and I ran to into the Mexic roads. If I
2:10didn't ran, he would have ran me over.
2:12Pearson was arrested at the scene. and
2:14what he said next surprised even veteran
2:16detectives. What followed was a recorded
2:19police interview during which Pearson
2:21spoke in detail about the events leading
2:23up to the incident. He acknowledged
2:25driving toward his girlfriend stating
2:27that his intention was not to harm her
2:29but to frighten her. This is the
2:31interrogation of Jamas Pearson.
2:35What's up?
2:37All right. Come you finished with the
2:38food.
2:42Let me uh that stuff.
2:48You done with that?
2:53Thank you.
2:55All right.
3:00[Music]
3:07[Music]
3:09Relax.
3:14[Music]
3:26It's been a long night.
3:27[Music]
3:35I got 506.
3:44What's your name? I'm Sergeant Gant.
3:46That's my partner, Sergeant Bos.
3:53Can you tell what's
3:56going to get to that moving a little bit
3:57too quick, Mr. Pearson? Slow down. Slow
3:59down, brother. We going to explain
4:00everything to you. Okay.
4:03So, this is room 202.
4:06How you feeling, man? Besides obviously
4:09tired just like everybody else. Yeah.
4:12You doing all right otherwise? Today.
4:15Yeah.
4:28Okay. Let us just uh get some basic
4:31information from you and we'll explain
4:33to you what's going on. All right. All
4:35right. Um, your last name is Pearson. S
4:38P E Am
4:41R S.
4:43First name is J A M A Z. J A M A Z. How
4:48do you pronounce that? Jamas. Jamas. You
4:51have middle initial Jamas. Yeah. E.
4:54What's your date of birth? 102670.
4:58You're going to have to speak up a
4:59little bit, my brother. This 102670.
5:02102670.
5:04Okay. Okay. Where do you live at, sir?
5:11You live right over here? Really?
5:18Do you live in uh the men's uh thing
5:20right there? No. No. No. You live in the
5:23next block, that uh little hotel thing
5:26over there. Okay. What's the numbers?
5:30Is this like a room number or suite
5:32number? Apartment. Apartment 31.
5:35You remember that's like a this is a
5:38whole bunch of rooms. Yeah. Is it a
5:40brother up in there that's got like a
5:42walker? Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of
5:44people in there. Yeah. I see I see him
5:46all the time. What's your phone number,
5:47sir? Madre. Mhm. Yeah. What's your phone
5:50number? Um I don't you know I had that
5:52phone that I just got. You got a cell
5:55phone number? It's in the stuff. I don't
5:57know the number. I just got the number.
6:00I'm sorry. Phone number unknown, right?
6:02It's in the um It's in the what? It's in
6:05the property, you know, all stuff. It's
6:07in the car. It's in the car. Yeah. I
6:09don't know even know where it's at. I
6:11lost it. How long have you had the
6:12phone? I just got the phone. What? Like
6:16today or last? Couple of days. Couple
6:18days ago. So, did you have another phone
6:21number before? Do you remember what the
6:22old phone number was?
6:42I just got that
6:49question. The stuff all the stuff that's
6:51in the car, like the stuff in the trunk,
6:53too. Are they going to take all that out
6:55too? Um they well they going to that
6:58stuff will stay in the car. Okay. While
7:01it's towed. Yeah.
7:04Yeah. All that stuff will be installed.
7:06So it's going to be missing all stuff. I
7:09can't say they not going to they
7:10shouldn't take any of your stuff. I mean
7:13they inventory. They inventory. So I
7:15mean the technician is going to take an
7:18inventory of what's in the car. So once
7:20she does that, if the toward takes some
7:22stuff, they going have to pay for it.
7:24Okay. All right. Um,
7:28who do you live with over here at 805
7:30Washington? Just live by yourself.
7:37And what do you work at, sir?
7:39Long. You're a long. Okay.
7:50And how long you been doing that?
8:01[Applause]
8:03Okay. All right. So, look, a little
8:06incident happened uh yesterday because
8:08now it's a brand new day. Okay. Um and
8:12we're tasked with investigating that
8:13incident. Okay. Um I want to talk to you
8:16about this. Um let let you get a chance
8:18to explain yourself. Luckily, nobody's
8:21hurt. So, Even you luckily you not hurt
8:25cuz you could I don't know if you can
8:27see it but it's just right there right
8:29see it good I can see something right
8:32did they they take you to the hospital
8:34and stuff and got you medically cleared
8:35right okay so yeah so this thing could
8:38nobody got hurt nobody nobody got hurt
8:40nobody got hurt but man I mean this
8:42could have turned real bad even for you
8:44could have been real bad right you
8:47blessed bro that you blessed I have to
8:49tell you man you blessed I have to tell
8:51you that for real
8:53You might not be here right now, right?
8:55I [ __ ] up. I didn't allow me not to
8:58[ __ ] up that. Yeah. God was on your side
9:01today. Um let me just um fill this out
9:05and I'm going go ahead and admonish you
9:06and we can go ahead and chop it up. Talk
9:07about what this this thing went down and
9:10why it went down so we can go ahead and
9:12wrap this thing up. Okay. So, let me
9:14just fill this thing out right quick to
9:16uh um get to look at the um whatever
9:19other report that they have on besides
9:21this one. Um, what other report? I don't
9:23know if they have one. There's no other
9:25reports.
9:30October.
9:34One reporter.
9:40Excuse me.
9:48Do you have a a message phone number,
9:50sir?
9:52That was my only. So you do you have
9:55family out here? You know, like mom or
9:58dad? Dad, does you have does he have a
10:00phone number that we can put down here
10:02for you?
10:15Mhm.
10:16I was talking to myself.
10:28Time 5:13
10:345:13. Oh, what time it is? Yeah.
10:40Next day, Saturday.
10:44All right. Let me read this to you real
10:46quick. Mr. Pearson. All right. And you
10:49have the right to remain silent.
10:50Anything you say could be used against
10:51you in the court of law. You have the
10:52right to talk to a lawyer and have a
10:54present with you while you being
10:55questioned. Cannot afford a lawyer won't
10:57be appointed to represent you before any
10:58question if you wish one. If you
11:00understand these rights, I'll just
11:01explain to you that yes. Okay.
11:06All right. Can I get you just to put
11:07your initials right next to that X?
11:09You're saying that I read you this
11:11table. What?
11:14Oh, yeah. I got something over here.
11:17Sounds
11:19good.
11:23All right. So, um
11:26like I said, Mr. Pearson, we um we're
11:28the investigators that's going to be
11:29investigating that little incident that
11:31happened out there last night. Okay. Um
11:34it's always more than one side to the
11:36story. We talked to pretty much
11:38everybody that was out there that that
11:39saw what happened. And so, you're the
11:42last person that we need to talk to.
11:44Okay. So, basically, I want you to just
11:46kind of uh give me a brief rundown on
11:49what happened out there. Okay. Who all
11:51these people we listen to? Yeah. Yeah.
11:54Tell me what happened.
11:56Um
11:57young lady.
12:01So, okay. So, the young lady in
12:02question, she's how you spell her name?
12:10So, can you speak louder?
12:14So,
12:17and who is she to you?
12:23As you can say, you know, I tried to
12:25marry her a couple times.
12:28I've been dating her since 2004.
12:33She works at the job, too. She's
12:43since 2004.
12:45She working here
12:47long time. She works at your same job.
12:52Okay. Works.
12:55[Music]
12:56Okay. Go ahead. And um
13:01you know
13:03school and then start getting a lot of
13:06problems like just on and off type
13:08relationship. Mhm.
13:11Um
13:14she seemed like she always called the
13:15police on for something, right? So when
13:18did your problem start?
13:24You really couldn't tell that. It just
13:25like just I mean in the beginning it was
13:28good, right? Yeah.
13:32So if you say that you guys been
13:33together since 2004, when do you think
13:35you probably start?
13:42the first two years.
13:45So after so 2004, five and six. So after
13:49that okay you know we was together but
13:52not like you know like I stay with her
13:54and then she kicked me out. I stayed
13:56with her and she kicked me out.
14:03She been calling the cops on. She called
14:06cops with little stuff. Not nothing for
14:08me kid or just some kind of argument or
14:11she said she just want to kick me out
14:14for some reason. She irritate me all the
14:16time. She used the police to control me.
14:19Okay.
14:23[Applause]
14:25All right. Go ahead.
14:27[Applause]
14:34You can almost sure
14:37I got arrested over her
14:40like once or twice a couple times. Okay.
14:43Here in Oakland,
14:51it like about once really. the other
14:53times I got arrested, but it wasn't
14:55really it was just because I was I got
14:58the restraint, you know, she got the
14:59restraining order, too, though. She's
15:01got a restrain order against you now. I
15:04think the courts appointed it, but it's
15:06been there, but I don't know if it's
15:08still active right now. She just always
15:10bust that out to control me kind of. So
15:13I always go
15:21So do are you guys were you guys still
15:24together as a couple? like like you know
15:27like last week was really really when it
15:30really moved down like I remember this
15:32time and then she moved me in kicked me
15:35out and then last week
15:38Friday well really Wednesday last week
15:40Wednesday we was together and um kids
15:45her youngest daughter was in the car and
15:48another one of her daughter's kids was
15:51Tyranny she was in the car you know she
15:54stays in Richmond she lives in Richmond
15:56Okay.
15:58Holy son know me.
16:01I don't never really get no trouble. She
16:03just always call me when I have to leave
16:04right away, you know, right?
16:07And they don't never really sweat me cuz
16:09they know that I'm not causing no
16:10trouble. They just know that she
16:13happens like this sometimes.
16:19So, let me let me let me kind of um ask
16:21you a couple questions so we can kind of
16:23get this thing moving. Um, so are you
16:27guys actively still dating or did you
16:29guys break up? You know, like like I
16:31never really She kind of just kind of
16:33just broke off on me like last week like
16:36I told you Wednesday we was together and
16:38um we was together and um we had the
16:40kids in the car and so last Wednesday
16:42y'all was together. We was together in
16:44Richmond and it was during the daytime
16:47and um we was about to take the kids to
16:49the park and she you know she kind of
16:52real snappy hike and then she didn't
16:54want to take the kids where they wanted
16:55to go and so I diffused it all and just
16:58told her that I was going to take her
17:00and kids to the YMCA ate and work out
17:03and um I sell a lot of stuff you like
17:06things at the flea market. I usually at
17:08the flea market. We've been there today.
17:10Okay. And um I had some hats and um just
17:13little stuff I was trying to sell to the
17:15store at a wholesale price so they could
17:16sell it over again, right? And um so I
17:18was kind of selling while I was going in
17:20the store. You were trying to do your
17:21little hustle to get money for the
17:22family and stuff. I feel while I'm doing
17:25the job, you know, we get paid well. All
17:28of this money coming in and I always
17:29give it to her or, you know, I spend it
17:31on her some kind of way, her and the
17:32kids, right? All the time, every week.
17:36you know,
17:38she um when I came out the store, I had
17:42the stuff in my hand that I was selling
17:44and I had her, you know, she sent me in
17:47the store to get a swisher for her,
17:48right? So she could roll up her weed to
17:50smoke, right? So she can relax and stop
17:53tripping on everybody. Now, do you have
17:55children with her? I don't have no kids
17:57around her. No kids with her. She just
17:59starts getting everybody think that I do
18:01have kids, but what I do?
18:04Okay. She tell everybody at the job that
18:06we married everybody at the job really
18:08think that we married Mary and
18:12um Wednesday after I came out the store
18:14Mhm. she had these two cigarettes for me
18:17to give to this white guy that was in a
18:19wheelchair that was on pen in front of
18:22his place and um I asked her did the guy
18:26ask you for cigarettes and she said no.
18:28I said okay. So um I said you know I'm
18:31out here selling my stuff. I said, "I
18:33don't want to give him nothing." I
18:35didn't like he about to give me, you
18:37know, some money because he got a lot of
18:38change and he was jiggling in front of
18:40me and he asked me for some of mine. I
18:41told her no. Right. And so she got upset
18:43with me and told me I was checking [ __ ]
18:45This is the only in front of the kids.
18:47That's what she said. She just busted
18:48out. She was She was already in the She
18:50had jumped out of the driver's seat.
18:52Mhm. Cuz I had parked my car at her
18:54house before. What kind of car do you
18:55have, sir? That Nissan. So you own a
18:58Nissan what?
19:00I mean Nissan Maxim 97 the one that was
19:05down there today
19:08you know
19:10we was with her mom and everybody before
19:12that we was with her mom we had just
19:14dropped her mom off at bingo in Richmond
19:16out here somewhere we had a whole bunch
19:18of family in the car and then the last
19:20people in the car was me her and the
19:22kids two kids in the back was at the
19:24store she had the cigarettes for me to
19:26get to the guy and because I didn't give
19:28them to him right She said that I was
19:30chicken [ __ ] and I was going to miss my
19:32blessings and she jumped out of the
19:34passenger seat, jumped back in the
19:36driver's seat and said she was leaving
19:38my [ __ ] ass at the store and um
19:41cuz I was I wasn't [ __ ] That was today.
19:44That was Wednesday. Okay. And I said I
19:47said I was trying to talk to her and I
19:49tried to grab her, you know, get her
19:50close to me and hold her so nobody would
19:52see that we was having a problem. And um
19:55she's made a bigger scene and told the
19:57the people the burrito truck over here
20:00on cutting whatever street that was
20:03directly before the freeway to call the
20:06police and I'm like why is you doing all
20:09this? I said I said over two cigarettes.
20:12I said I don't even smoke. I said you
20:14don't really leave me here. And then we
20:15got into a big thing and I tried to get
20:17in the car and everything and the kid
20:18was in the car and I kind of wanted to
20:20take the car. I wasn't going to take it.
20:21I just was going to like drive in the
20:23parking lot until she got ready to get
20:25in the car. But
20:27the kids was in the car and everybody
20:28was looking and she trying to dress you
20:30down in front of kids.
20:32You said dress me down basically
20:34disrespect you.
20:37Yeah. She just made me feel real stupid
20:39at at the thing in front of truck in
20:40front of everybody and all I was doing
20:42was doing what she told me to do and I
20:44had some money for us, you know, all the
20:46stuff. So, okay, that I had to walk to
20:49the house to back to my car. And as I
20:52was walking, she was calling heck much
20:53and she said that she was coming to pick
20:55my punk ass up, but I never answered the
20:57phone cuz I turned off the phone and she
20:58didn't give a [ __ ] about that. So, I
21:00walked back to the house and I called I
21:01turned on the phone and called her and
21:03she told me to get the [ __ ] away from
21:04her house. And I told her, "Not right
21:05now. I'm waiting for you." She said she
21:07wouldn't call the police, but she was
21:08just she was trying to scare me. And so
21:11I was already leaving and um I left and
21:14um you know I'm calling her from
21:16Wednesday all the way to Friday and I'm
21:18all kind of punk [ __ ] and [ __ ]
21:20and Friday come around. You know we
21:23usually always together but she never
21:25came around after Wednesday. I guess I
21:28was supposed to talk to her right after
21:30she caught me pump my [ __ ] just get a
21:32ride from after she left me.
21:35But she said Wednesday she said that she
21:37was uh going to Sacramento or she just
21:40called when she called. The first time I
21:41talked to her she said she was okay. She
21:44said she was going to go to Sacramento.
21:45The next time I talked to her she said
21:47she was insane and um she had talked to
21:51me some other time but we were still
21:52talking throughout the whole day. I was
21:54still calling cuz I was calling a lot.
21:56Right. I was upset. What's her number?
21:58You know her phone number? She changed
22:00her phone number. She just did this
22:03about a day or two ago. Do you know what
22:05her old phone number was?
22:11[Laughter]
22:14And that's that was her old number.
22:21Metro PCS.
22:24Did you used to text her to this number?
22:27Everyone.
22:28She usually text me more than I text
22:30her.
22:32Okay. So, when was the last time you
22:34guys have been like uh sexually active
22:36towards each other? Probably about
22:41Wednesday or Tuesday. Last Wednesday.
22:43Yeah, last Tuesday. I'll say I'll say
22:47more in the beginning like Monday,
22:49Tuesday, somewhere around there cuz
22:53Wednesday was the day that thing
22:54happened. I never got back in the house
22:56that day.
22:59How many times she left me enrichment?
23:01That's when this that's when this all
23:03started like how we doing the big feud,
23:05you know. Right. And this was last one
23:07in Richmond. Yeah. And then Friday,
23:10that's when she went to Sacramento. She
23:12said she got there and the whole weekend
23:14I was calling then about 3:00 in the
23:18morning on Saturday. She um I guess got
23:21tired of me calling and she answered the
23:23phone and said that she had been married
23:25for 10 years and she never told me and
23:27she was with her husband and she didn't
23:29give a [ __ ] about me and she never give
23:30a [ __ ] about me and I should leave her
23:33the [ __ ] alone and if I do want to see
23:36her I'll see her when she get back
23:39and I continue calling until she came
23:41back on Sunday.
23:45So Saturday she she told you this? She
23:48said she was coming next Sunday. No, but
23:50when she tells Yeah. Saturday night
23:54and then um
23:59I don't know Sunday I talked to her. I
24:02talked to her all that during that whole
24:04weekend, but it wasn't just like no
24:06straight conversation. A few minutes
24:08she'll get on the phone, talk a bunch of
24:10[ __ ] and tell whoever she was with
24:11about me. You know, my mom passed when I
24:14was 15. She was talking about my mom.
24:16She was talking about my dad that I
24:18stayed with. You know, he's
24:19unfortunately doing a crack with his
24:21white girlfriend. But that's got nothing
24:23to do with me, but she always
24:25conflicting on me and calling me a
24:26crackhead. And she always just trying to
24:28downgrade me all the time. Make me feel
24:30bad. It's not just a good look, you
24:33know.
24:34So, Sunday
24:37came. I'm still kind of arguing with
24:40her. and
24:42all the way till
24:45Sunday. What is this? Saturday now.
24:50That was last
24:54week. Then I'll just say from Sunday
24:58until now. Mhm. We just been having
25:02arguments over the phone and she been
25:04changing her number. So, you know, she
25:07changed she always threatened to change
25:08her cell phone number. And then she put
25:09that the guy that was here today. That's
25:12what she told me anyway. She told me
25:14that every time she would jump on the
25:16phone, if she felt like irritate me,
25:19she'll put him on to say something and
25:21he'll say exactly what she told him.
25:23That's why I kind of figured it wasn't
25:24true. But I didn't know who I she never
25:27put a guy on the phone really. Never.
25:29You know what I'm saying? So it was just
25:31real big and I just didn't know how to
25:32handle it. And I never came by her house
25:35and bothered and nothing. I didn't want
25:36to do that. I knew I was just going to
25:37[ __ ] up. So,
25:40I just didn't go by. I just waited. And
25:42um
25:44today I seen her today. You know, it all
25:47just boils down to today cuz I didn't
25:48never really see her throughout from
25:51Wednesday till now. Okay. So, let's do
25:54let's do this. Let's get a timeline. So,
25:56today you saw her. Where did you see her
25:59at? Over there. So, yesterday? Really?
26:01So, yesterday you saw her, right? Did I
26:04see her? I didn't see her. I remember
26:06that. Well, today is Saturday. The
26:09incident happened on Friday. I seen it
26:10yesterday. So, you saw saw
26:14and the guy her daughter had kind of
26:17described him to already. I didn't know
26:19him and I didn't know what he looked
26:20like, but they always lying about stuff.
26:22So, I don't never know what to think.
26:23You know what I'm saying? Where did you
26:24see them at?
26:26Um, at McDonald's Plaza over here.
26:33when you see them talking about her and
26:36this guy. Yes, I seen her and then I
26:38seen that the guy was over there with
26:40her and um that's where we usually go
26:43and you know kind of have a break before
26:45we about to go to work cuz we work at
26:46the porch down here, right? So this is
26:49over you're talking about 7th and
26:50Market, right? Okay. So you see in in a
26:53guy at the McDonald's at the McDonald's
26:56plaz actually looked at the guy. This is
26:58the guy that her daughter kind of said,
27:00you know, she said something about he
27:03had little dreads or something
27:06that she never seen before and she
27:08brought him to the house the other day.
27:11And which daughter was this? That's her
27:13oldest daughter. 14 15.
27:17Well, she just graduated. She might be
27:19older than 15. I have to say 17 cuz she
27:23just graduated high school. That's about
27:2617, right? Yeah. 17 or 18. Yeah. Mhm.
27:32Okay. So, you um you see you see them at
27:36the McDonald's. What are they doing at
27:37McDonald's? And what time of day was
27:39this? It's about 6:30 6:15 in the
27:42evening. Yeah. Okay. I was about to go
27:44to work. She was about to go to work and
27:46I was about to go to work. I w So So
27:47this y'all work nights? We work night or
27:50day. Okay. Depending on, you know, if
27:52it's a job available. Okay. So, this is
27:55at 6:30 on Friday night. You saw her
27:58over there? Yeah. Okay.
28:046:30 p.m.
28:06She been threatening me ever since
28:08Wednesday about she was going to stab me
28:11and
28:14she can't wait to see me so her and her
28:16husband could [ __ ] me up. They've been
28:18threatening me since Wednesday since she
28:19kicked me out. Um I mean, you know, I'm
28:21I'm just thinking Wednesday is when she
28:24maybe had already met the god. I mean,
28:26cuz she always running off to Sacramento
28:28to see somebody and talking about it's
28:30her partner, but I don't never know who
28:31it is. And this is just kind of like a
28:34big buildup on me because um every time
28:37she do that, I don't never know where
28:39she is. And then I just kind of accept
28:40when she come back and don't try to get
28:43into no more fights about old stuff, you
28:45know? Right. But um yesterday we got
28:49into a fight about all the old stuff.
28:51This is on Friday. Yeah. Okay. And so
28:54what did where did this fight take
28:55place? In the parking lot over there.
28:57Okay. So Friday. Friday. What what time
29:01do you think it was? 6:15 6:30.
29:07We got into a fight. They already been
29:09saying they was going to try to hurt me
29:10and kill me. and um
29:14he just kind of got into a scuffle and
29:16they drove off on me and then um
29:22he kept on saying that he was her um her
29:25friend and this basically he didn't
29:28never say she was lying. He just told me
29:30that he not her husband and he's her
29:32friend and that um
29:35he never got to say that he didn't know
29:37why she was doing that. But I think all
29:39the game was on me. Mhm. You know, and I
29:42don't really know nothing at all. I'm
29:43just telling what I what I just think I
29:45know. Right. You know. Okay. So, they
29:48drove off from you. You guys, you say
29:50you guys got into a fight. I mean, was
29:52it fist fight or what? It's kind of like
29:54a fist fight. You know, I I I was over
29:57there and I seen him and um I kind of
30:00talked to him and then they they
30:02recognized who I was and I was like um
30:05it was like, you know, what's up? And I
30:08was like, what's up?
30:10Um, and we just kind of got into like a
30:12little, you know, grab and match. You
30:15say we who who was this? You, him, and
30:18her. Okay. Okay.
30:24Nobody really got hurt or nothing. We
30:26just kind of
30:28was a grabbing match.
30:33And you didn't punch anybody or anything
30:35like that? I didn't even get to hit
30:37nobody. Did you have any weapons on you?
30:39I had the um little knife I had. It's on
30:43my keychain. Okay. And what color is the
30:45knife? It's like black. H. It's black.
30:48It's on the keys.
30:52He says black. The whole knife is black.
30:54It's a little little about this big key
31:01on the keychain. Yeah. I think I was
31:04using a key to try to to
31:07poke somebody, but um I didn't hit
31:09nobody. What color is the handle of the
31:11knife? It's black. I never even had the
31:15knife open. It was a key. It was a key,
31:17you know, the key that I was using to
31:19drive the car.
31:21And you say you think you use the key to
31:23poke at somebody? Yeah. I I was, you
31:25know, cuz I was talking through out the
31:27window. Mhm. you had that little match
31:30and um they just was looking at me real
31:32strange, you know. I don't know. I was
31:34real upset already, you know. Mhm. You
31:36know, I wanted to hurt somebody, but I
31:38didn't hurt nobody. And they drove off
31:39on me all the way to kind of got into um
31:44I kind of pushed them down all the way
31:45to the police station in my own car. So,
31:48wait a minute. Let me make sure I'm
31:49clear. So, you pushed them down. What
31:51car What kind of car were they in? They
31:53got a little white car.
31:57I was trying to catch up catch up to him
31:59so fast that I kind of ran into that
32:01car. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm
32:03I'm I'm following them. They they she
32:05drove off out the the down this parking
32:07lot into that little side street and
32:09come around to the police station like
32:11this and I come behind them and I'm
32:14right behind them and we driving so fast
32:15I boom boom all the way down to the
32:19police station. So I followed them and
32:24bump bumped that car. Yeah.
32:28How many times? Like two or three times
32:31all the way from from the down to the
32:33police station. What street were you
32:35guys on when this happened? I think it's
32:37Seventh Street.
32:41Seventh Street. Yeah. Yeah. Right in
32:43front of the police station.
32:49I did. And I tried to run her over cuz
32:52they they already been threatening me
32:53and they already been threatening me so
32:55many times that I just was tired of
32:56hearing about it and you know what I'm
32:58saying.
33:04Right.
33:07So you say you lost your mind and tried
33:09to I really kind of lost it. I shot her
33:13over in front of the police station. She
33:15ran around a pole or something. I ran
33:17around the pole. Then when I came around
33:19the pole, I ran into a police car on the
33:21other side of the street in front of me.
33:30So she ran around a pole
33:33right here.
33:40She jumped out of her car, right? Her
33:42guy disappeared. They never even called
33:44the cop. Right. So So you Let me make
33:48sure I got the a clear understanding
33:50about this. So you guys are driving down
33:53Seville Street, right? And are you guys
33:55coming from like West Oakland Way? Yeah.
33:58So that would be considered if you going
34:00towards like Broadway that's going
34:02eastbound on Seth Street. So you get
34:03behind and you bump bump them a couple
34:05of times. Three times all the way till
34:08we get to the police station. Okay. Now
34:09you said the police station, you mean
34:11the sheriff's department? The jail over
34:13there across the street from Mass County
34:14Road. That's the That's the North County
34:16Jail. Yeah. Okay. Right there. So when
34:18you bump them, do they lose control of
34:21their car or anything? A little bit.
34:23Okay. But they didn't crash, did they?
34:24They didn't. Okay. So you bump them.
34:27What happens next once they get up there
34:29by the North County Jail?
34:31They kind of jumped out the car. Did
34:33both of them or just the girl? They both
34:34jumped out the car. Okay. And they both
34:37jump out and then what happens? I never
34:39seen a guy again, right? But um I guess
34:43I kind of focused in on her, right? And
34:46where was she at? She was in front of
34:48the uh place where you come out visiting
34:50or whatever. So Okay. So like you know
34:53standing out there on the curb right
34:54there. She jumped out and ran around
34:56that pole right there. Curb in front of
35:01North County. Yeah. Okay. And so while
35:04she's on the curb, what did you do?
35:07I tried to drive. Did you drive up on
35:10the sidewalk? Okay.
35:21You tried to run her down, right? And
35:23you did this cuz you were pissed off at
35:24her or what? They've been threatening me
35:27since last week. Even before that, she'd
35:30already been threatening me, you know,
35:32just of old stuff. It's always about
35:34them not to poke you or stab you or
35:37shoot you or have a [ __ ] shoot you or
35:40you know they've been threatening me. So
35:43I didn't I just didn't take nothing
35:45lightly when I seen them cuz I I didn't
35:47expect to see them over there because
35:49that's where we be at. You know me and
35:50her and then she want to bring him to
35:52somewhere where I'mma come and then I
35:54got to look at something like that. You
35:56know what I'm saying? I feel you. So
35:58that was like too much. I don't know. I
36:00kind of just lost it. I I wasn't
36:02supposed to see nothing like that. No
36:03matter what, she was supposed to put
36:05that in my face. Right. Right. You can't
36:06I never done her like that. I never I
36:08always just over and out go out my way
36:10to do for her and her kids. Right. Now,
36:13were you drinking or anything? No drink.
36:15I just got off for work. Smoke weed? I
36:18nothing. I just got off for work.
36:21I did um 8 hours. Tell you the truth. I
36:24had picked up another job from the union
36:26hall and I was about to go to work again
36:28at 7:00. That's what 6 6:15 6:30 when
36:31this happened. I was about to go to work
36:33again until I seen them and I [ __ ] off
36:36my job.
36:41It wasn't high at all. Right.
36:44You just got off work. Yeah. That's why
36:47we got the steel toes outside right now.
36:49I see them right there.
36:52Okay. Um do you take any kind of
36:55medication or anything like that? Some
36:57medication. You know, she hit me in the
36:59eye with cable boxing right right before
37:02the Wednesday time
37:05over me looking at her cell phone. I was
37:07in the in her room looking there was
37:09some family over and um when she came in
37:13the room I was looking at her cell phone
37:14cuz she always lying about stuff. So I
37:16trying to double check and when she came
37:18in and seen I was looking at her cell
37:19phone and she picked up the cable box
37:21and hit me in the eye and u I just kind
37:24of got like a bang right here. I don't
37:25know. You can see all the scars and
37:27stuff. What kind of medication did you
37:29take? Um, I mean, nothing too serious.
37:31They gave me some kind of
37:34I was taking some other kind of little
37:37cuz I think she I don't know if she gave
37:39me nothing or not, but I had some kind
37:41of little infection and she had came to
37:44the doctor with me and all that, but
37:46it's just the fact that she gave it she
37:47did it for nothing cuz I was looking on
37:49my phone. I never hit her over looking
37:51at my phone ever.
37:53You remember what kind of medication
37:54they gave you? It was like
37:56[Laughter]
38:02pills I was taking.
38:05You remember what they were? They just
38:06pink. I don't know you know the name or
38:09nothing. And they gave me like a shot in
38:12my muscles. It hurt for like 30 minutes.
38:15And then I had like some Vikings. They
38:18gave me some kind of eye mess up cuz my
38:20eye was messed up then. It was swoll up
38:22and I couldn't see out of this for about
38:23a week. Like every time I seen the
38:25light, I had to cover it up and stuff.
38:29And then it's just kind of healing up
38:31now where it just hurt on the side right
38:33here a little bit, but not like a whole
38:34bunch. But she did do that, too. She was
38:39I got stabbed by her before in this arm.
38:42This is a long time ago, but she stabbed
38:44me right here. And it's like it's just
38:46affecting her. I mean, she just hurt me
38:48a lot of different times before and um
38:51seemed like every time we get into a
38:53fight, I I always want to hurt her, but
38:54I don't never actually get to hurt,
38:56always get myself in trouble like I did
38:58today. Right. So, the
39:49Okay. And so I told her and I was like,
39:51you know, I don't know who you seeing or
39:53what you doing and why you always
39:54running off to Sacramento, but if you
39:57seeing somebody, you need to tell me for
39:58real, you know, and don't lie about this
40:00cuz this is serious. right? Um, we need
40:03to go to the doctor. And so she went to
40:05the doctor with me and, you know, helped
40:07me get my eye together and all kind of
40:09stuff. Dumb [ __ ] that she done.
40:14So you kind of a lot of different things
40:16kind of played into why this thing
40:18boiled over yesterday. Sounds like I can
40:21say that for real. That's that's what
40:23happened. Okay. Yeah. That don't that
40:25don't mean that I was supposed to do
40:26what I did. Right. Right. So now let me
40:29just I just want to just get some
40:30clarifying questions. Do you know what
40:33kind of car they were in? She's she
40:36stays there.
40:38No, no, no. What kind of car were they
40:39in? A little white four-door. You know
40:42what type? It's like a Ford
40:47name. White four-door. for a little
40:58time.
41:00He passed away not long ago. Her mom's
41:03name was her mom's car.
41:07She don't own a car. The vehicle belongs
41:10to his name. I don't know his last name.
41:13I used to know, but I can't remember it.
41:17was registered to see something.
41:23She been driving ever since he passed
41:24away. He passed away not too long ago. A
41:26couple of months.
41:33Okay. And um you do you remember what
41:36your license plate number is on your
41:38Nissan Maxim?
41:41I told you.
41:43Okay. You don't know what your name is.
41:45That's fine. Um, so when you, let me ask
41:48you this. When you drove up on the
41:50sidewalk over there in front of North
41:52County, what was your intent? Was your
41:54intent to run her over?
41:57I just really want to get close to her
42:00and grab her. That's what I really want
42:02to do. I want to just get as close as I
42:04can to her and jump out the car and grab
42:06her. Okay. But how how are you going to
42:08do that if she run? I don't know if she
42:10can do that. She
42:13She jumped out the car, too. So if she
42:15can jump out the car, yeah, I had an
42:16opportunity to jump out the car, but I
42:18react fast enough about that. But what
42:20I'm asking you realistically,
42:23I just we we've been keeping it 100 with
42:25each other and I appreciate your
42:26honesty, bro. But I'm saying if she's
42:28standing on the sidewalk, okay, first we
42:30was, you know, rolling, I'm bumping
42:32them, right? You bumped them first.
42:33Somehow she stopped in front of North
42:35County and they both jumped out the car,
42:37right? But you were behind them by that
42:39time, right? And so when I'm coming up,
42:40they was out the car already like on the
42:42curb and I kind of just drove up there
42:46and you know came around the pole and
42:48then I ran into the car across the
42:49street the police. When you drove up on
42:51the car, what did she do? She ran around
42:53the pole. She ran around the pole. She
42:54ran to where I was going. So you run you
42:57drive up on the sidewalk. She's on the
42:59sidewalk. Right. This is her. I'm going
43:02let you uh Yeah. This is the car. This
43:05is my car. Her car is up here. Stop.
43:08come up behind me. I tell you what, done
43:11right on the P. Let me show you
43:12something. Let me Can I draw? Yeah. I'm
43:14going draw like the street and then I'll
43:16let you place where where she was when I
43:18end up. Okay. I'm not a big old artist
43:20or nothing like that, bro. So So this
43:22what I'm going to do. So this is going
43:24to be I really [ __ ] up and tried to
43:25run over on the curb in front of
43:28station.
43:30Okay. So this I'm sorry. What was that?
43:32I said I really [ __ ] up and tried to
43:34run over in front of the station right
43:36there and then I ran to the police car.
43:39It's like I just made a fool out of
43:40myself cuz um
43:43I didn't need to do all that. Right.
43:45Right. This is Seventh Street. I had
43:48already my top by then. You know, Clay,
43:51but you know, you went through a lot
43:53though. Yeah. Clay Street. Seventh
43:57Street. All I could see was that she was
43:59with the dude and she was over there
44:01where we working. You got jailers, huh?
44:02With him, honestly. Yeah. All right. So,
44:06this is Clay Street. Mexically Rose is
44:09right here on this corner.
44:11North County Jail. She not supposed to
44:13be talking to me at all, but you know,
44:14she always violating her thing. Come
44:16pick me up. Like, I'm figuring that she
44:18wouldn't pick this guy up cuz he
44:20wouldn't even have a car.
44:22So, with this with this pencil, show me
44:25uh is this the that's the North County
44:27Jail. This Mexi Roads right here. Just
44:29the lanes. Mhm. So that's Mhm. So
44:34drawing her car.
44:46I guess this is the pole right here.
44:54Mhm. Two Mexic
44:57officer on this side.
45:02this car right here.
45:06Police car right here. All right. Can
45:09you draw where the police car was that
45:10you ran it?
45:21Okay. And do you know what part of the
45:23police car you ran into? The front of
45:26it. Was it parked like this? It was
45:29parked inside. Okay. So if it I ran into
45:33it like this. So you ran head in head on
45:36into the police car, right? Was any
45:38police officers in there in the car?
45:40There was one standing right here on the
45:41curb. So cop was standing on the curb
45:44right there.
45:46Somehow another cop showed up right
45:48here. Okay. And um so by that time I was
45:52underground right here.
45:55two guns on me. He was standing back
45:58here somewhere. Okay. Did um did did one
46:02of the officers fire at you? You know,
46:04everybody keep asking me, but I don't
46:05know to tell you the truth. All I know
46:07is that they kept showing me the bullet
46:08on the ground. I'm figuring, you know,
46:10I'm telling you like I'm telling they've
46:12been trying to hurt me and I don't know
46:13if he fired off a weapon and ran off or
46:16not. You know what I'm saying? Okay.
46:18Because he they never caught him. And I
46:20kept telling them it's a guy that's you
46:22know heard that's been threatening me.
46:23They both been threatening me and I
46:25don't even know. I don't even know this
46:26guy. Right. I don't know why she would
46:28gang up with somebody and and and try to
46:31act like she need to hurt me. Mhm. Yeah.
46:34I don't either. Yeah. I don't either.
46:36She been trying to get me rested. She
46:38been want me to lose this job that we
46:39got. Right. This is a real job. She told
46:42me she can't wait for me to get fired so
46:44she'll never have to look at my black
46:45ass anymore. Now that ain't cool. Yeah.
46:48Yeah. So, let me uh let me go back to
46:51this diagram. So you you say you were
46:54driving your car down on 7th Street,
46:56right? Supposed to be Clay Street. This
46:57is Clay, right? I mean, yeah. So you
46:59driving uh which lanes were you in
47:01initially when say when you back here?
47:03This is Jefferson back here behind you.
47:06Jefferson Street would be back here,
47:08right? It was kind of on this side, but
47:11we might have been swerving a little
47:12bit. Okay. But I do remember
47:16hitting something over here cuz of um
47:19the car wouldn't stop right away or
47:21something. Like I bumped the car right
47:24here that was parked.
47:26Okay. Okay. I do remember that. So you
47:28bumped the car that was parked over here
47:29at the end of Miss Kelly Rose corner.
47:32Mhm. There was a car parked right here
47:34and I was um
47:37I was moving fast. Like I said, the car
47:39was sliding and I bumped the car right
47:40here and backed up and then proceeded
47:44again. Mhm. And followed them. Okay.
47:46It's kind of like they pushed me into
47:48that car cuz this this thing she was
47:50doing with her car. You know what I'm
47:51saying? I was trying to maneuver. I was
47:52trying to get to him and I I I can only
47:56bump him. Right. Now, how fast do you
47:59think you were driving when you was
48:00bumping?
48:04We wasn't doing like no 80. So, I'm
48:06going just say like
48:0935 40.
48:12So, you think you were doing about 3540
48:14mph? Maybe a little faster. Somewhere
48:16around there.
48:18fast enough where I couldn't slow the
48:20car down because the car never I stepped
48:23on the brake like all the way and it
48:24never stopped. And when I um ran into
48:27the police car, the brakes it kind of
48:29gave out
48:31like it didn't I turned it and
48:33everything and then I never even thought
48:35about pulling the heat brakes. Somebody
48:37just stole the car. And then that's
48:38another thing too, right before before
48:42Wednesday and all the stuff I'm telling
48:44you happened. Mhm. I'm saying I'm going
48:46just say about 2 weeks or 3 weeks before
48:50that the same car got stole. I was with
48:52her and spending the night and the car
48:55got stolen in front of the house in
48:56Richmond. Yeah. Mhm. And I came out to
48:59go to it was a Friday night when the car
49:01got stolen, right? And I came out
49:03Saturday morning to go to flea market
49:05like I usually do. And um the car went
49:09there and I asked her about it and she
49:11said she act like she didn't know. She
49:12said she didn't know. And um I never
49:15even called the police or nothing,
49:18right? Because the repo man was kind of
49:20looking for me and I was going to pay
49:21him, but I just figured that the repo
49:23man took it. Mhm. And then um one night,
49:26you know, after um the the card was
49:29missing, right? I never really got no
49:31more calls from the people saying I owed
49:34some money. So I figured that they took
49:36it. But then a week went by and they
49:39never called and said they recovered the
49:40car or nothing. So it made me think
49:42about, you know, maybe somebody did cuz
49:45she was always during the whole week she
49:47was always talking about why you ain't
49:48report your car, why you ain't do this.
49:51You know, she was just, it's kind of
49:53like she was throwing me hints, but she
49:54didn't never say nothing. Right. Right.
49:56So I walked around Richmond. I got tired
49:58of not driving. So I started walking
50:00around Richmond looking for my car and I
50:03found it like about two or three blocks
50:05away by McDonald's. Okay. On um off of
50:0823rd.
50:10Cool. And um you know it was kind of a
50:12shocker and I went and told the kids
50:15that I found it and I asked them do you
50:16think that your mom had somebody steal
50:18my car? She was at work. I wasn't. And
50:21um they said no and they just brushed it
50:24off and I left and after I got my car
50:27back I was really wasn't [ __ ] again and
50:29my card was hella loud. That's what she
50:31said. So it's kind of like she was
50:34capping on me after I got my car back
50:35and she said she didn't give a [ __ ] that
50:36I got my car back. Mhm.
50:40So she you think she's being
50:41disrespectful to you? Yeah, all the
50:44time. Okay. All right. So, let me just
50:47make sure that I I get this right. So,
50:49yesterday, Friday, about 6:30. Mhm. You
50:53go over to this McDonald's lot over on
50:557th and Market, right? That's right. And
50:57you're over there, you see um your girl
51:01and this guy that her daughter told you
51:03about. Yeah. Right. Did she say that her
51:06uh and this guy dating? Did she tell you
51:09that?
51:11She told me that. She said she I'm under
51:14impression that it's her husband when I
51:17approached him yesterday when we all
51:19approached each other. Does he work with
51:21you guys? He don't I don't He don't work
51:23where we work. Okay. I never seen him
51:26before. You know, he kind of looked
51:28younger than me with little twig dreads.
51:31And I don't even think he got a car or
51:33nothing. I think that she just really
51:34was trying to get away from me like she
51:36said she was trying to do. Okay. I told
51:38her, "I understand that, but when you
51:39doing all the other extra [ __ ] you're
51:41doing, like throwing him on the phone
51:43and telling me um talking about my mama
51:46and then just downgrading me about the
51:48job and everything, then tell me you
51:50going to stab me and poke me and shoot
51:51me when you see me too." That was like
51:55kind of over the top. And you got the
51:56[ __ ] in the car where we usually take
51:58our break at before we go to work. So,
52:01I'm going to the usual spot where I go,
52:03you know, by myself. She, you know, I I
52:06I didn't figure I was gonna see her
52:08there at all. She was there with another
52:09She was there with another guy.
52:13So,
52:22so you guys normally go to seventh,
52:24right? Yeah.
52:27All right. So, like I said, I'm trying
52:29to just figure out when you when you saw
52:34a Quita on the sidewalk for the North
52:36County, right? You were already upset,
52:39which was evident because you bumped
52:41their car a couple times. When you
52:42bumped their car, what were you trying
52:43to get them to do? You trying to get
52:45them to pull over or you want them to
52:47lose control? I want them to lose
52:48control so they can stop their vehicle.
52:50Okay. So, you wanted them to lose
52:53control so they could stop their
52:54vehicle. Yeah. Okay. And what were you
52:56going to do if they lost control?
53:01I think we was going to have some kind
53:02of altercation. Okay. And what do you
53:05mean by that? Like, you know, physical
53:07something. So, if they have lost control
53:10of their vehicle, you think you would
53:11have jumped out and physically assaulted
53:12both of them or just her? Um, they they
53:16already been trying to assault me. So, I
53:18don't you know, I think that I just
53:19would have I would have been stupid and
53:21tried to hurt him or something, but I
53:23didn't I didn't ever get to hurt him.
53:25I think I would have had the intentions
53:27of doing something. But
53:35you bump that cart, you make them lose
53:37control.
53:42I know it sounds bad. This sounds real
53:44bad.
53:45It is what it is.
53:48And you say if they got out, it would
53:50have been a physical altercation.
53:52Yeah.
53:54It wasn't going to be no talking match.
53:59You lose this girl. Yeah. What she do?
54:05Just
54:06she not the right person, man. I I think
54:09I'm trying to make her right and she
54:10don't want to be right. You know, like
54:12I'm saying like, you know, like, okay,
54:14we we just regular guys. We kind of got
54:16a respect thing here. You know what I'm
54:18saying? And then that's how you if it
54:20was a young lady in there that you work
54:22with and maybe you did have some kind of
54:24you know thing where y'all don't never
54:26disrespect each other right or fall out
54:28of the frame where you in front of him
54:30and she make you feel bad in front of
54:32him and do it over the phone and
54:34everything else and then try to act
54:36normal in front of everybody else and
54:37act like you a bad guy but she's the
54:39good person. This is how she do. She
54:42telling everybody at the job is under
54:43the impression that I'm her husband,
54:46right? everybody. She She made this up.
54:49She the one told him. I did buy her a
54:51ring before. I did try to marry her like
54:53three different times and she bought me
54:54a ring, too. And for her to sit here and
54:57tell me after all this time that we've
54:59been together that a few months or a few
55:02years before we got together that she
55:04had been married.
55:07And how'd you feel about that when she
55:08told you? I didn't feel good about that.
55:10I mean, how did that happened Friday? I
55:13felt real [ __ ] up. Cuz you think
55:15because she lied to you, do you think?
55:17Or she used you or what? I think that
55:19she been using me. Mhm. And that she
55:22lied to me, right? And then she didn't
55:24have no reason to do neither one of
55:26those. So was your the relationship that
55:28you had with her? Did you think it was
55:30based on trust or what?
55:33I I I trusted her to a certain point,
55:36you know, but then I mean she you know,
55:38she showed a lot of signs of messing up
55:40throughout the time. She cheated on me
55:42before with this other guy. She brought
55:44him to the job and I had to have a fight
55:46with him. This happened
55:49like a long time ago, but
55:53she did she did cheat on me before. Did
55:55you ever cheat on her? I never cheated
55:57on her, man. That was the whole thing. I
55:59I was trying to be with her. There's a
56:01lot of women that approach me, but I
56:03just want to, you know, I want to keep
56:05one woman, be right to her, and she
56:07worked at the job and I liked her. So, I
56:10just kept on coming back to her and try
56:12to be with her. And then she would try
56:14to be with me, too. But then when she
56:16get tired of me, she'll just find
56:18something to say while she going to kick
56:20me out and then go by that and enforce
56:22it. And then every time I try to be
56:23right or whatever, she just say, "Fuck
56:25me and you ain't [ __ ] and this is my
56:27house and you can just get out." Even if
56:29I paid the bills or not, you know, I'm
56:31always paying the bills over there.
56:35And I just bought a bed for her house. I
56:37just bought a lot of [ __ ] for her house
56:38for us. And I was we the ones sleeping
56:41and then I don't know if that, you know,
56:43dude is coming over there or not. Mhm.
56:45But, you know, cuz I don't even want to
56:46go check to see about that, you know.
56:48Right.
56:50So, um
56:52[Applause]
56:54So we here. We roll up on the sidewalk.
56:58And when you roll up on the sidewalk,
56:59were you trying to hit her right here
57:01once you got up the car? Was you trying
57:02to hit? I I I couldn't I mean, you know,
57:05I rolled up there and I knew I wasn't
57:07going to even I knew from back here that
57:09I wasn't going to be able to reach her
57:11at all. But I just rolled up on the curb
57:13cuz I was already mad. You was mad at
57:15her. I was mad at her, right? And I was
57:18way back here when I seen her on the
57:19curb. Right. Mhm. And I already knew
57:21from this distance that I was not going
57:22to reach her, but I just drove up on the
57:24curb. I was already over the top and I
57:27just drove up on the curve and I just
57:28followed her the she went and I kind of
57:31I kind of, you know, back here to tell
57:32you the truth, I kind of felt that I was
57:34about to lose control cuz I had just
57:35lost control right here. Right. And you
57:38mean what do you mean when you say lose
57:39control? The car was not cooperating
57:42with what I was trying to make it do.
57:43Mhm. And so I slid to over here and when
57:47I slid over here and came around the
57:48thing I really was out of control around
57:50this area when I got on the curb and I
57:52just was kind of by the time I got right
57:54here the car just didn't stop and it
57:57kept on doing like a move, you know,
57:59swivel move and it just hit the front of
58:01the car. Right. And so how close once
58:05she ran into the street on Seventh
58:06Street, how close do you think you got
58:08your car to her? Would you get real
58:10close to her? She was like, "I'm I'm I'm
58:12just about to come around this." Mhm.
58:15She's already right here, like almost
58:17across the street. Did you see where she
58:19went?
58:20She ran in front of the Mex County Roads
58:22behind the police officer. Okay. And can
58:26you hear what she was saying? What she
58:28saying? Yeah, I could see her and
58:29everything. The police officer draw down
58:31on me. And by that time, I had hit the
58:33car, hit his police car. Mhm. And I'm
58:36talking about before that, before you
58:38crashed into the police officer's car.
58:40Um, could you see her and see what she
58:43was saying? Um,
58:45I could just see her standing there
58:47talking to police, saying, "You trying
58:48to kill me?" Okay. So, she was standing
58:50there. You heard her say that? Yeah.
58:52Okay.
58:56So, you saw her telling the police you
58:58was trying to kill her? Yeah.
59:04Okay. What happened?
59:07That's when the car hit the police car.
59:10I was I was right there in front of
59:12officers by that time. They was like
59:13right close as you are to me, but I was
59:15just in the car, right? They told me put
59:17my hands in steer wheel and get out the
59:18car and lay on the ground.
59:21So that's what I did.
59:28And then I can hear I can see in here
59:30standing over there behind officers on
59:33the curb though. like the middle of the
59:35street. Right. Right. Like if you come
59:37out next girl when you cross on the
59:39street, I was like right there and she
59:41was like on the curb. Okay. So, do you
59:43feel like your vehicle ever got close to
59:45her and you could have hit her? I never
59:48got I mean, to tell you the truth, I
59:50never got close enough to do nothing
59:52like that. The only time I got close to
59:54her is when I bumped the car.
59:58Were you trying to when I tried to bump
1:00:00the car? Trying to hit her. Um, you
1:00:02saying hit her physically with the car?
1:00:04You sure? You trying to run her over? I
1:00:05tried to run her over, but I never got
1:00:07close to her. But if you did, would you?
1:00:10Um, at that point, I don't think that I
1:00:12would have tried to hit her. I think I
1:00:13would have tried to knock her down with
1:00:14the car. Knock her down. Yeah. Like, you
1:00:16know, like So, you just kind of bump her
1:00:18with the car so she so she stopped.
1:00:20Yeah. I was trying to stop. So, you try
1:00:22you try to uh is it hit her or bump her
1:00:25or whatever from the time you you hit
1:00:27the curb, right? Bump the car like three
1:00:29times from here. I'm talking about you
1:00:31when you're trying to run over. That was
1:00:33up here. Okay. From the time that you
1:00:35jumped the curb. Mhm. Just right here.
1:00:37Right. Okay. And then and then you
1:00:39crossed, right? You crossed. I had to
1:00:41come around this pole. There's a pole
1:00:42right here. I had to come. Were you
1:00:43still Were you still trying to run her
1:00:44over when you uh She was long gone after
1:00:47after I came before I came around this
1:00:49thing. She was long gone already. But
1:00:52you said you And the guy disappeared.
1:00:53Yeah, the guy disappeared. And I was
1:00:56kind of looking for him and her and I
1:00:58couldn't watch both things. So when I
1:01:00came around here, I kind of lost control
1:01:01and just hit the car. Mhm. Did you see
1:01:04her? I was still trying to follow her,
1:01:05but I never really seen her until she
1:01:08was across the street behind the officer
1:01:10and then they was telling me to lay
1:01:12down, you know. But But when you got off
1:01:14that curb, were you still trying to
1:01:16follow her with your car? She was I was,
1:01:18but she was already on the curb. Yeah,
1:01:20but I'm saying you're still going
1:01:21towards her direction. You're right.
1:01:24Would you were you still trying to run
1:01:25over? I already knew I wasn't going to
1:01:28be able to. And I figured that I was
1:01:30about to wreck because I was losing
1:01:31control already.
1:01:34But were you still trying to get out? I
1:01:36was proceeding with I was proceeding
1:01:39towards her. But I knew I wasn't going
1:01:42to make it, but I was proceeding towards
1:01:44her direction.
1:01:46Well, if you didn't hit that car and she
1:01:47kept running towards Clay, would you
1:01:49just kept going?
1:01:51Um,
1:01:53you saying the opposite way down Clay?
1:01:55No. No. Like if I was about to go Okay.
1:01:57after I ran over this curb and
1:01:59everything. Let's just say you didn't
1:02:01hit the police car. I probably kept she
1:02:03kept running. She kept running towards
1:02:05police. She didn't run that way. No, I'm
1:02:06just saying if she did. Okay. If she ran
1:02:09on Play Street, right? She didn't go in
1:02:10Mexico. She ran Play Street after and
1:02:13then and you didn't hit a car, would you
1:02:14still would have tried to hit her? I
1:02:16mean, I kind of realized that I was uh
1:02:18had really lost it and I was already in
1:02:20front of the police station. After that,
1:02:21I was about to go up the street and park
1:02:23the car. But if she was running on
1:02:26place, would you still try to hit her?
1:02:27Try to run? I think I was about to leave
1:02:29cuz I seen a lot of officers around that
1:02:31time. But before that, did you see the
1:02:33cops there? I mean, I knew they was
1:02:35there, too. But I'm So why still try to
1:02:37run over even though you know the cops
1:02:39were there? That don't make sense to me.
1:02:41It It don't make sense, man. You know,
1:02:42and I like I'm telling you for real. I
1:02:45really lost my mind and I wasn't even
1:02:47thinking. I I didn't see no cops
1:02:49standing there. All I seen was him and
1:02:51her in the car is what I could really
1:02:54tell you. What do you think the officers
1:02:55could have done to stop you from trying
1:02:57to run? Um, it looked like they was
1:02:59trying to shoot me.
1:03:02Would I have been wrong or what would
1:03:03you um
1:03:07be me, right? Yeah. I mean, you're the
1:03:09strong. Yep. I don't want to get shot
1:03:11and I'm not I wasn't trying to shoot
1:03:13nobody, but I guess people do need to be
1:03:16slowed down if they out of control.
1:03:18What do you think? I think that they
1:03:20need to be slowed down if they're out of
1:03:22control. I mean, put yourself in their
1:03:25sho. What would you have done? Um, I
1:03:28don't think I would have slowed slowed
1:03:30the person. Put yourself Put yourself in
1:03:32the officer's shoes. What would you have
1:03:34done? You see somebody trying to run
1:03:36somebody over? I probably would have
1:03:38shot the tire or something. Made the car
1:03:40stop.
1:03:42You think shooting the tire would have
1:03:44stopped you from running somebody over?
1:03:47It would have stopped if you would have
1:03:48shot the front tire and the back tire
1:03:50out. The car would have just kind of
1:03:52slid and stopped. Mhm. But still, can
1:03:55the car still continue to roll and still
1:03:57hit somebody? It will roll, but it's not
1:04:00going to be functioning well. I mean,
1:04:01I'll be I'll be disabled if he shot.
1:04:03Who's in control of the car? Is it
1:04:04person or is it the driver? Me.
1:04:09What do you want me to actually tell
1:04:11you? No. No one. They want you to tell
1:04:14us. I know you're saying you about you
1:04:15saying you about to write down. No, I
1:04:17just want my thing is I mean you trying
1:04:19to see what my intent was. That's and
1:04:21that's what and that's what I think this
1:04:23the biggest thing is what your intent
1:04:25sir. That's it. And I can't put my
1:04:27intent is I didn't you know I really
1:04:28didn't want to kill her. Mhm. But I was
1:04:30real upset and I did want to hurt her.
1:04:33Right. Okay. I wanted to hurt her and I
1:04:35wanted to hurt him and that was because
1:04:37why did you want to hurt him?
1:04:40because they've been threatening me on
1:04:41the phone talking about they going um he
1:04:43ain't really actually been doing the
1:04:45threatening. He just been in the
1:04:46background laughing at the whole [ __ ]
1:04:48and you know taking it as a joke and
1:04:52that that um whatever she telling him to
1:04:54do that's what he doing. If she say say
1:04:57this he'll get on the phone to say that
1:04:59and then he'll get off the phone. So I'm
1:05:01like it's like you [ __ ] with a puppet
1:05:03or something. You just he just doing
1:05:04everything you tell him.
1:05:07What would have happened, man, if you
1:05:08ran over?
1:05:11I mean, do you honestly believe you're
1:05:12going to be a you you're in that much
1:05:14control of a car that you can just knock
1:05:15her down?
1:05:17I did. I mean, like, if you just roll up
1:05:21and bump the person, they going to fall
1:05:22down. You know what I'm saying? What do
1:05:25you think would have happened if you
1:05:26ride over? I wasn't going to run it
1:05:28over, though. I was I think you did. I
1:05:31was I was trying to, you know, like stop
1:05:33they I was trying to stop their vehicle
1:05:34at any cost, you know, stop their
1:05:36vehicle with another vehicle where they
1:05:38would just been stopped. No, but after
1:05:40they got out
1:05:42and I was I was about to mess up even
1:05:44more. You said you was trying to run
1:05:46them over.
1:05:49Now, what would have happened if you
1:05:50hand them over? I mean, like my partner
1:05:53said, man, I mean, thank God. Thank God
1:05:56nobody got hurt. You're right.
1:05:58But what would have happened if you ran
1:06:00her over?
1:06:03Um,
1:06:05it would have been a massacre, too.
1:06:08Yeah, man. You know, were you thinking
1:06:10about that at the time?
1:06:13I was telling you, man, I really lost it
1:06:15and I blanked out. I really blanked out
1:06:17and um I just seen her and I seen him
1:06:20and I didn't see nobody else. You
1:06:23obviously didn't see the officer. They
1:06:25were standing there too because when I
1:06:26hit the car that's when I noticed all
1:06:28the officers but before that I didn't
1:06:30see none of those people. What if you
1:06:32had seen the officers prior to them
1:06:33would you have stopped? I probably would
1:06:34have just kept drive off and went to
1:06:36work cuz I was already supposed to be
1:06:38going to work and she was on her way to
1:06:39work. So you were so mad you didn't even
1:06:41notice the officers there. I didn't even
1:06:42see I mean they had even they even had
1:06:44the lights on. You're right. And I I I
1:06:45didn't see none of them and I just I was
1:06:48I just zoned out you know. Wow.
1:06:52You think it's worth it?
1:06:55It's not worth it. I'm supposed to be
1:06:57I'm not supposed to be here. What' you
1:06:59learn out of this, man?
1:07:02I don't
1:07:09know. I [ __ ] up. Relationship is two
1:07:11ways. I [ __ ] up and um I I seen her
1:07:15with him and u it really blew me. You
1:07:19know what I'm saying? It really blew me
1:07:22that I had to see something like that at
1:07:24the place where we always go. So it it I
1:07:28mean that was your spot. It ain't our
1:07:30spot. It's just spot that we Yeah. Like
1:07:33you said that's our spot. That's our
1:07:35spot that we go to. Me and now she bring
1:07:37she bring she bring another cat in
1:07:39there. And she know that I'm you know
1:07:41come to this location and you know hang
1:07:44out here before I get ready to go to my
1:07:45job. I just lost it.
1:07:53Man, again, man, like my part of [ __ ]
1:07:55Thank God nobody got hurt. Yeah.
1:07:58Is there anything that you want me to
1:08:00say to her about this?
1:08:07What could you possibly say to me? I
1:08:10know what you're saying. You're just
1:08:11asking me a question. Yeah. And ain't
1:08:13nothing wrong with that. I appreciate
1:08:14that.
1:08:18I don't know. What did she tell you?
1:08:20Well, she said that you tried to run her
1:08:22over. I told you that, right? Yeah.
1:08:25I was real upset with her. Yeah.
1:08:29You know, I don't want to kill her, man.
1:08:30I I really don't want to kill her. I I I
1:08:32didn't I didn't have the intentions of
1:08:34killing her, but I wanted to hurt her. I
1:08:35did. I had the intentions of trying to
1:08:37hurt it. Right. So, do you know how much
1:08:39a car weighs?
1:08:43That's a lot of metal. Right.
1:08:46What you what you want to tell me for
1:08:47real? I'm asking you. Do you know how
1:08:49much a car weighs? It weigh more than
1:08:52all of us put together. Yeah. And if you
1:08:54hit her with that car, what you think? I
1:08:56was [ __ ] up, man. I told [ __ ] trying
1:08:58to You're going to kill her. Yeah. You
1:09:00could have Tell me what y'all about to
1:09:01charge me with. Can't tell. Well, it
1:09:03ain't up to me to charge you with
1:09:05anything. I mean, all we can All we can
1:09:06do is write up the paperwork and then
1:09:09let the district attorney look at it and
1:09:11he reviews it. But I'm not the I'm not
1:09:13the judge. the jury. I don't charge you
1:09:16with me. You're just doing your job.
1:09:17That's it. I just I come in here, we
1:09:19find. You got to You got to do your
1:09:20investigation, right? And that's all we
1:09:22do. And I tell you that I don't think
1:09:23you're a bad person. You know what I
1:09:24mean? I'm not a bad person, man. I'm I'm
1:09:27the coolest person ever. And and and
1:09:30she, you know, I'm not going to say that
1:09:31she's the worst person ever, but when
1:09:33she want to be, she's the worst person
1:09:35ever. Yeah. You know, Mr. Pearson, let
1:09:37me tell you something. I I sat up in
1:09:38here. We've been in here for over an
1:09:40hour listening here, listening to you
1:09:42talk. And I'm going to tell you, I don't
1:09:43think you're a bad person. You know,
1:09:45what I think is that you got you let
1:09:47your emotions get the best of you. I
1:09:49really did, man. You know, and you can
1:09:51never let a woman drive you to the point
1:09:53to where you let your emotions get the
1:09:55best of you, whether you see her with
1:09:57somebody else or not. Hey, and before
1:09:59all of this happened with this guy, you
1:10:02know, she mean, you know, we get paid
1:10:03every week and it seemed like on
1:10:06Thursday, we get paid on Thursday.
1:10:08Seemed like on Thursday or
1:10:12Friday, Thursday, Friday, I'm the
1:10:14coolest guy from, you know, from when
1:10:16you get paid. Yeah. And then it seemed
1:10:18after the money goes up. It seemed like
1:10:20about four or five days into the week, I
1:10:22always get kicked. This has been
1:10:24happening for, you know, the last couple
1:10:25months. You know what a clue is? Yeah, I
1:10:28know what it is. But Okay. Okay. Can I
1:10:31tell you this? A clue is Sounds like you
1:10:33gather a lot of clues to tell you, man.
1:10:35It's time to move on. But then then why
1:10:37she want to keep bringing me back and
1:10:39come get me and why go back
1:10:42if you know she doing it wrong. If you
1:10:43know she doing you wrong. It's a clue.
1:10:45It's like how you told me at the
1:10:46beginning it's been on and off for a
1:10:49long time and I should have just only
1:10:51because you're allowing it to be.
1:10:54It's time to move forward. She was never
1:10:56supposed to um I wasn't supposed to do
1:10:59that either. I wasn't supposed to mess
1:11:01up like this. Right. That's the point.
1:11:04Right. I was not supposed to mess up. I
1:11:06was not supposed to lose cuz I believe
1:11:07you're you're not a bad cat and I
1:11:09believe you're smarter than that. Yeah.
1:11:11I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't
1:11:13just, you know, go over there McDonald's
1:11:15intentionally think to kill her or
1:11:17nothing like that. It just all just
1:11:20you think you got you lost it when you
1:11:22saw her with another. I just couldn't
1:11:23believe that that was you know that's
1:11:26what she wanted. That's what this is
1:11:27what she wanted to do with me. Mr.
1:11:28Pearson, there's a lot of women out
1:11:30there. Idiot. There's a lot of women,
1:11:32you know. I mean, come on, man. I don't
1:11:34know what my problem is, man. I just got
1:11:35stuck on one. You're just in love. I got
1:11:37stuck on one thing. You're in love, but
1:11:38you got to move forward, man. Yeah. You
1:11:40got to move on. Relationship is two
1:11:43ways, man. You can't just give, give,
1:11:44and give, man. Yeah. And that's what
1:11:46I've been doing.
1:11:48But anyways, uh, Sergeant Gant, you have
1:11:50anything else, sir? Is there anything
1:11:53else you want to say?
1:11:54So, um I mean I know like you guys
1:11:57saying you don't know you guys not the
1:11:59judge or nothing but
1:12:02what do you think they going to charge
1:12:03when you know I mean what I I can tell
1:12:05you what we have to do is do an arrest
1:12:08tag and I mean for starters we got to
1:12:10put down that you tried to assault this
1:12:12lady with a vehicle. That's mayhem. No.
1:12:14No. What is that? Assault with a
1:12:16vehicle. That's assault with a deadly
1:12:18weapon. So that's like a what's that
1:12:20called? That's a felony. Um I mean and
1:12:23then once we do that I mean assault
1:12:26assault with a vehicle and then I get a
1:12:28domestic violence charge off top right.
1:12:30Yeah cuz this is domestic violence
1:12:32related. So what is all that you know
1:12:34that's all I don't know what your record
1:12:36look like. I mean you got the I don't
1:12:38have no extensive record. It's all
1:12:40really plays in your if you don't have
1:12:42an extensive record. The the the record
1:12:44that I do have is behind hers. I tell
1:12:47you what all that question is going to
1:12:49be answered when you get a rain. Yeah.
1:12:51Uh Tuesday. Okay. Okay. So, Tuesday will
1:12:54be arraignment. So, all those questions
1:12:56are going to be answered. Or an option
1:12:59would be if you bail and then see a
1:13:02lawyer.
1:13:03That would be another option where you
1:13:05can find because
1:13:07you don't have I don't know what. Well,
1:13:09you know what? Maybe not. Maybe not. My
1:13:11bad. You know what?
1:13:13Oh, yeah. You may not have domestic I
1:13:16build out. Yeah. My bad. You may not
1:13:18have bill, but if I do got one, it's
1:13:20super high. But, however, you can make a
1:13:22phone call to a lawyer and find out
1:13:24they'll answer all these questions
1:13:25because we don't have that. We don't
1:13:27have I don't have the bail schedule and
1:13:29all that stuff. I don't I don't know.
1:13:31All right. Be sitting down for like 6
1:13:33months, right? I I don't know. Just ask.
1:13:35I know y'all. No, Mr. Pierce, I can't I
1:13:37don't know how long you'll be sitting
1:13:39down. I mean, you know, it depends on
1:13:41sit down at this point. It depends on
1:13:43the the judge, you know. It really does.
1:13:46It depends on It depends on your record
1:13:48and it depends on last time I got
1:13:50arrested was overheard I think somewhere
1:13:54that's around here somewhere for
1:13:56domestic violence right and so what did
1:13:58they do last time I bailed out and you
1:14:01know I dealt with everything and I still
1:14:03owe them ba people over there a little
1:14:05bit of money not that much but a little
1:14:06bit
1:14:08okay well I mean so nothing sound like
1:14:10like nothing major happened last time
1:14:12huh
1:14:14I don't never really do And I I just go
1:14:16to work. I sell my stuff and I deal with
1:14:19that lady
1:14:21and her kids and her family.
1:14:25Okay. So, that's just like my life right
1:14:27there. So, what we're going to do is
1:14:29man, we're going to try to get this
1:14:31paperwork done and then walk you across
1:14:32the street. I mean, drive you across the
1:14:35street to North County so you can get
1:14:37processed and stuff. Then you can make
1:14:38your phone calls and stuff. Right. All
1:14:40right. You got any other questions of
1:14:43us?
1:14:52Okay. So, that's what we going to do.
1:14:54Okay. Sergeant Boss, you have any other
1:14:56questions?
1:14:57All right. Uh,
1:15:00my watch says 6:21.
1:15:02Okay. 06 21 hours.
1:15:07Good luck to you, man. Yeah. Just sit
1:15:09tight, man. But once you overcome this,
1:15:12man, just remember there's other women
1:15:14out there
1:15:16with this lady like that, man.
1:15:19She want to put somebody on face like
1:15:20that. She don't care about me. Right.
1:15:22There you go, man. Right.
1:15:25Place where you know that's just like
1:15:27when you guys go to eat and you know how
1:15:28you doing it and then they want you to
1:15:30come look at that on your break. Right.
1:15:33That would be you good, right? You you
1:15:35probably wouldn't deal with it right
1:15:36then, but you'll call her later and let
1:15:37her have about that. Let her know. Yeah.
1:15:39You let her know that wasn't cool,
1:15:40right? All right, so let's sit tight.
1:15:46Jamas Pearson was cooperative throughout
1:15:47the interview, speaking openly about his
1:15:49actions and his state of mind during the
1:15:51incident. He described the decision to
1:15:53drive toward his girlfriend as a
1:15:55reaction to her alleged threat and
1:15:57repeatedly stated that he was trying to
1:15:58scare her, not hurt her. Despite the
1:16:01admission, no charges related to the
1:16:03incident were found in public court
1:16:05records at the time of this publication.
1:16:07It remains unclear whether the case was
1:16:10dropped, handled informally, or simply
1:16:12not filed through the criminal court
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