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Making AI fair | Osonde Osoba | TEDxManhattanBeach — Transcript

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  1. 0:14So, when I was a teenager growing up in
  2. 0:17Nigeria,
  3. 0:19I was not directing music videos.
  4. 0:32I did decide however to build an
  5. 0:34artificial intelligence.
  6. 0:38I know. I know.
  7. 0:41I was taking computer science and logic
  8. 0:43courses at the local university, and I
  9. 0:45figured it would be easy being a
  10. 0:4715-year-old to just create an AI that
  11. 0:50could reason and argue logically.
  12. 0:56I was inspired by the same dreams the
  13. 0:58early pioneers of artificial
  14. 0:59intelligence had. That we could we could
  15. 1:02create this supermind, an intelligence
  16. 1:05of pure logic and objectivity. And that
  17. 1:07this supermind would be free of human
  18. 1:10traits, traits like subjectivity and
  19. 1:12bias.
  20. 1:16I was working without guidance with
  21. 1:19really, really old computers
  22. 1:21and with irregular electricity. If
  23. 1:24you've been to Nigeria, you might know
  24. 1:25what that's about.
  25. 1:27So, let's just say I was less than
  26. 1:30successful.
  27. 1:32I did however go on to study in the
  28. 1:34United States
  29. 1:35and do a lot more research as an
  30. 1:37engineer on artificial intelligence.
  31. 1:43Around 2013, I was reminded of my dreams
  32. 1:46of objective AI when I heard of a
  33. 1:49Harvard professor's experiments.
  34. 1:52Latanya Sweeney at the university at
  35. 1:54Harvard University was exploring how
  36. 1:57search engine ads change when you look
  37. 1:59up different types of names.
  38. 2:03When she looked up names more predictive
  39. 2:06of being black,
  40. 2:08she got ads for criminal justice
  41. 2:11services.
  42. 2:14So, she'd look up names like Deshawn or
  43. 2:17even Latanya, and she'd get ads like,
  44. 2:20"Has Deshawn been arrested?"
  45. 2:24It's not funny, but it's kind of funny.
  46. 2:26"Do you need a bail bondsman?"
  47. 2:30When she looked up names less predictive
  48. 2:32of being black, so names like Jeffrey or
  49. 2:36Emma,
  50. 2:37not so much.
  51. 2:41Eventually, she calculated that
  52. 2:42black-identifying names were 25%
  53. 2:45more likely to generate ads suggesting
  54. 2:48that the person had an arrest record,
  55. 2:51even when they did not.
  56. 2:54But, these are algorithms serving up
  57. 2:56ads.
  58. 2:58Can algorithms be prejudiced?
  59. 3:01Can a piece of software be racist? Can
  60. 3:04it be sexist?
  61. 3:09Learning algorithms are recipes for
  62. 3:12teaching AI how to learn.
  63. 3:14Modern AI learns by consuming vast
  64. 3:16amounts of data. They learn by spotting
  65. 3:20hidden correlations and patterns that
  66. 3:21humans cannot see. They learn by
  67. 3:24applying neutral math equations.
  68. 3:27But, the more researchers have looked,
  69. 3:30the more they've found examples of
  70. 3:32artificial intelligence systems
  71. 3:34producing significantly biased outcomes.
  72. 3:38And by bias, we mean generally
  73. 3:41violations of ethical or social norms.
  74. 3:44For example,
  75. 3:46a recent study found that search engines
  76. 3:49show more ads for higher-paying jobs to
  77. 3:52men than to women.
  78. 3:55They've also been There was a recent
  79. 3:57study last year showing extensive bias
  80. 4:00in algorithms used in the criminal
  81. 4:02justice system.
  82. 4:06So, just using AI does not eliminate
  83. 4:09bias in in decision-making.
  84. 4:12But, how exactly do these biases get
  85. 4:14into our algorithms in the first place?
  86. 4:19Modern AI
  87. 4:20is only as good as the data on which it
  88. 4:23is trained.
  89. 4:24AI eats
  90. 4:26and processes data, and uses the
  91. 4:28patterns it finds in the data to make
  92. 4:30future decisions. Now, these decisions
  93. 4:32could be as trivial as distinguishing
  94. 4:34between cats versus dogs.
  95. 4:36Or, they could be extremely important.
  96. 4:39An insurance company might use
  97. 4:40artificial intelligence to help it
  98. 4:42decide who is insurable versus who is
  99. 4:45not insurable.
  100. 4:48Consider the case of an artificial
  101. 4:49intelligence trying to find the best
  102. 4:52nurses.
  103. 4:54If we decide to feed this system
  104. 4:56stereotypical training data, so data
  105. 4:58consisting mostly of female nursing
  106. 5:01profiles,
  107. 5:02then chances are the system would more
  108. 5:05confidently judge future female
  109. 5:06candidates as better fits,
  110. 5:09unless it's carefully designed not to do
  111. 5:11so.
  112. 5:13The system isn't being inherently
  113. 5:15sexist. It's simply learning the biases
  114. 5:18present in our data, and applying them
  115. 5:20more consistently into the future.
  116. 5:24Now, occasionally,
  117. 5:27AI develops a case of what we might call
  118. 5:29uh food poisoning.
  119. 5:32Back when IBM was training up the future
  120. 5:35AI Jeopardy champion, that's Watson,
  121. 5:38they had to feed Watson vast amounts of
  122. 5:40data.
  123. 5:42And then somebody decided it might be a
  124. 5:44good idea to
  125. 5:46feed Watson the Urban Dictionary.
  126. 5:52So, after ingesting all that
  127. 5:56let's just say colorful data,
  128. 5:58Watson developed a little bit of a
  129. 6:00swearing habit.
  130. 6:04He began in inserting R-rated
  131. 6:07four-letter words in his responses.
  132. 6:10Now, personally, I would have loved to
  133. 6:11watch that version of Watson
  134. 6:13on Jeopardy.
  135. 6:17But, the moral here is
  136. 6:19we need to be careful what we feed our
  137. 6:22algorithms and our AI.
  138. 6:24And the thing is
  139. 6:26AI is not going away.
  140. 6:28AI already determines what you see on
  141. 6:30your Twitter feed, what you might want
  142. 6:32to watch on your on Netflix, who you
  143. 6:34might want to date.
  144. 6:37And it's going to keep making more and
  145. 6:38more of these decisions in the future
  146. 6:40because the amount of data we have and
  147. 6:43we create is vast.
  148. 6:45And it just keeps growing.
  149. 6:48Artificial intelligence and algorithms
  150. 6:50present the only viable way of making
  151. 6:52sense of this much data.
  152. 6:56So, if you want better medical
  153. 6:58diagnosis, if you want fewer car
  154. 7:00crashes, or if you want to improve the
  155. 7:01quality of human lives and prevent
  156. 7:03needless suffering more generally,
  157. 7:05you're going to need AI systems that can
  158. 7:07learn quickly, tackle complicated
  159. 7:09problems, and make or inform hard
  160. 7:11decisions.
  161. 7:13But, we also want these systems to play
  162. 7:15fair.
  163. 7:18So, it's great that we're beginning to
  164. 7:19get behind or at least discard this
  165. 7:21illusion
  166. 7:22that AI, modern AI, is objective or
  167. 7:25infallible, especially now as AI is
  168. 7:28ascendant.
  169. 7:31And we can all get behind this idea that
  170. 7:33we do not want AI to make decisions
  171. 7:35that run contrary to our values.
  172. 7:39But, how exactly do we teach artificial
  173. 7:42intelligence to abide by social or
  174. 7:45ethical norms?
  175. 7:47And who gets to decide what norms? Who
  176. 7:49gets to decide what is fair?
  177. 7:54To me, these are fascinating questions.
  178. 7:57And researchers have started looking at
  179. 7:58a few approaches to tackling these
  180. 8:00questions.
  181. 8:02So, first,
  182. 8:04we could disclose to consumers when AI
  183. 8:07is making decisions that affect them.
  184. 8:11Top-down government regulation may not
  185. 8:13be desirable or even feasible or
  186. 8:15effective as a way to tackling bias in
  187. 8:17algorithms.
  188. 8:19Making consumers aware
  189. 8:21is an easy first step.
  190. 8:25This also makes us more aware of the
  191. 8:27thousand little ways in which artificial
  192. 8:29intelligence affects our lives and more
  193. 8:31aware of our choices as consumers of
  194. 8:34services that rely on automated
  195. 8:37decisions.
  196. 8:39Second,
  197. 8:40we could create processes for consumers
  198. 8:42to appeal automated decisions.
  199. 8:46They'd be appealing to humans, of
  200. 8:47course.
  201. 8:50Third,
  202. 8:51we could have more human oversight when
  203. 8:54artificial intelligence is making
  204. 8:55decisions in high-risk domains. This
  205. 8:58includes domains like uh
  206. 9:00defense or the criminal justice system.
  207. 9:04These have been policy solutions so far.
  208. 9:07There are a couple of technical fixes in
  209. 9:09the works.
  210. 9:10For example, we've been exploring ways
  211. 9:12of making AI models more transparent,
  212. 9:15more observable.
  213. 9:17Other researchers have been exploring
  214. 9:19ways of making AI models explain their
  215. 9:23decisions.
  216. 9:25The idea behind these approaches, these
  217. 9:28technical approaches, is to create a
  218. 9:30trail of breadcrumbs
  219. 9:32so that we can follow the trail of what
  220. 9:34we might call intermediate inferences
  221. 9:36forward from the inputs all the way
  222. 9:38through to the final decisions.
  223. 9:40Basically, show your work. Or we can
  224. 9:42follow the decisions the trail backward
  225. 9:44from the decisions all the way down to
  226. 9:46underlying causes or reasons.
  227. 9:51These solutions
  228. 9:53they help us see where AI bias exists,
  229. 9:57but they don't always fix them.
  230. 10:00And more fundamentally, don't get to the
  231. 10:01more fundamental question of what
  232. 10:04qualifies as bias in specific domains.
  233. 10:11As an engineer,
  234. 10:13I fully own my tendency to think of or
  235. 10:17focus on technical virtuosity as the way
  236. 10:21to tackle and solve problems,
  237. 10:23just as I tried to do as a teenager all
  238. 10:25the way back then.
  239. 10:29But
  240. 10:30I'm not
  241. 10:32convinced that we can just engineer our
  242. 10:35way out of this particular problem.
  243. 10:37Because the problem is less about the
  244. 10:39technology AI, it's more about all the
  245. 10:43social and cultural context in which we
  246. 10:45apply the technology.
  247. 10:47At the moment, we have AI being applied
  248. 10:49in fields as diverse as medicine, law,
  249. 10:51criminology, and even education. Each of
  250. 10:54these fields have different norms,
  251. 10:56different ethics.
  252. 10:57And AI is like a very smart child. It's
  253. 10:59not always clear on the context of its
  254. 11:01decisions.
  255. 11:03For example,
  256. 11:05in many states, it is perfectly legal
  257. 11:08to discriminate on the basis of
  258. 11:10demographic characteristics
  259. 11:13when you're setting auto insurance
  260. 11:15rates.
  261. 11:17Younger male drivers
  262. 11:18tend to be riskier to insure, at least
  263. 11:21so I'm told.
  264. 11:24But the ability to calibrate this kind
  265. 11:26of risk is crucial for insurance.
  266. 11:30On the other hand, it's illegal to
  267. 11:32discriminate on the basis of demographic
  268. 11:34characteristics when you're issuing
  269. 11:36mortgages.
  270. 11:38Context determines the relevant norms.
  271. 11:41And engineers cannot always teach AI how
  272. 11:44it ought to behave in every single
  273. 11:48application.
  274. 11:49We need to work closer with social
  275. 11:51scientists, so lawyers, economists,
  276. 11:54anthropologists, linguists. And I can
  277. 11:56tell you from personal experience,
  278. 11:58working across these different fields is
  279. 12:00difficult.
  280. 12:02We are trained differently,
  281. 12:03and this is not a joke. We really do
  282. 12:05speak different languages.
  283. 12:09At my day job at the RAND Corporation,
  284. 12:12we try to use
  285. 12:14as an example, we try to use artificial
  286. 12:15intelligence models to study behaviors
  287. 12:19on social networks.
  288. 12:20This includes behaviors like
  289. 12:22radicalization, political polarization,
  290. 12:25and even cyberbullying.
  291. 12:28What you might consider fair or
  292. 12:31normative in any of those applications
  293. 12:33will depend on what you're focused on.
  294. 12:35If you're focused on radicalization,
  295. 12:38then you might not think it's fair that
  296. 12:40we treat every opinion expressed on
  297. 12:42social media exactly alike.
  298. 12:48Here's the crux of the problem.
  299. 12:51We have created artificial intelligence
  300. 12:53in our own image,
  301. 12:55and this is not a compliment.
  302. 12:59AI too easily reflects human
  303. 13:01shortcomings it finds in our data
  304. 13:03streams.
  305. 13:04It amplifies our flaws.
  306. 13:08It's going to take the full range of
  307. 13:10human intelligence to correct for these
  308. 13:12for these shortcomings.
  309. 13:15But if you want to build better, fairer
  310. 13:17societies,
  311. 13:19we need AI systems that reflect and
  312. 13:22amplify the better parts of our nature.
  313. 13:25Thank you.

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