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0:00yeah can you hear me I perfect got it
0:05took a little while but we got it
0:08alright so how are you okay that's good
0:13I'm so I'm really glad you decided to
0:17come a lot a lot of people are very
0:19interested in your case thanks to
0:22brendan dassey's case and with making a
0:25murderer i know you're familiar with it
0:27um tell me I mean I could give you a
0:29whole intro but tell me your story like
0:33I know your story obviously but Tommy in
0:36your words how it started like
0:38background everything person I'm that
0:51you were falsely accused on September
0:547th of 2 of 1988 for killing your
0:58parents or executing your parents which
1:00you were you I'm admitted to a crime
1:04that you did not do you knew from day
1:06one that it was your father's business
1:11partner we all knew was your father's
1:13business partner and somehow you got
1:17roped into confessing to this because of
1:20the police lies saying that you know
1:23your father told you that you did it
1:25when you didn't do it saying that your
1:28father you know woke up from a coma and
1:30said you did it when you didn't do it
1:32and just told you a whole bunch of lies
1:33so is that about the record in the
1:45interrogation is not so what was
1:49determined early deviating was nothing
1:54near the cornea and masochism chose not
1:59to it was a really steaming there's
2:12[Music]
2:39oh okay how did you feel that they were
2:58pinning it on you from day one I mean
3:04when you know in your heart you know
3:07actually did it Jerry Stewart did George
3:22to me was my last words there he faded
3:28now he changes of appearance
3:30he told the family be swimming in the
3:32fish between the planet from New York
3:37New Jersey
3:45you've landed from New Jersey California
3:49he changed to the cavalry he was in a
3:53psychiatric take all of those factors
3:58and say clearly either the son of
4:01clearly considered as honest fact
4:04especially we add in the fact that his
4:07son was a drug dealer you
4:10for others when Jerry himself and I
4:16remember that I vaguely vaguely remember
4:19that now that you're saying it but I
4:21remember because we used to hang out at
4:23the bowling alley all the time and
4:24Schroth more and I vaguely remember that
4:27it's funny that you said that because I
4:28just but even as a teenager I remember
4:49everybody saying it was his dad's
4:51business partner why didn't the cups
4:54ever I mean if we were like what 17 when
4:57you were arrested and then 1920 I mean I
5:00left after 9/11 but you know 17 18 19
5:04the rumor mill all over Belle Terre
5:06Belle Terre country club like oh it was
5:09definitely the business partner and we
5:54argued we argue that how it was for be
5:58there and you know and what was even
6:07freakier was that photo had an appointed
6:10water walking theme we're the only
6:13University
6:14you also that a time and had an
6:15initiative in the breeding so every step
6:19of the way it was a little rush
6:22inclusion misconduct the people don't
6:27want to acknowledge because she's our
6:31famous I think that's been shaken
6:35recently over the last I would say ten
6:38years pretty much in every department
6:40between all the racism with the cops and
6:43or suppose it racism and so on and so
6:46forth when I did my masters in criminal
6:49justice one thing that I've always felt
6:52and I get feedback positive negative is
6:56that a lot of the problem in the system
6:58is public defenders not that rich people
7:01don't go to jail or not that you know
7:03hired attorneys don't go to jail but so
7:06many public defenders are against
7:08clients and as soon as cops here they're
7:11gonna have a public defender now all of
7:13a sudden they're shooting for these
7:14false confessions and everything else
7:16that's what I have found whether there
7:18is stuffed document to back that up
7:22probably not but I have always found
7:25that that whenever you have lost
7:27confession to have public defenders all
7:29or no defender any all the time so when
7:33I say that the large law percent but it
7:40was a small percentage who were in fact
7:47everyone else routine before there were
8:00lawyers involved lawyers may have more
8:09experience more knowledge where we get
8:12abilities insult with fault none of
8:14agilent's purely probably for that is
8:20overworked underpaid they don't have the
8:23same resources right
8:35so the benefit of reporting is the
10:17training and training whether they dc+
10:21the record one of his own interrogations
10:25he wasn't a cop he went back and read
10:28wash and he sort of he did knowingly
10:36because
10:37we'll recorded everyone got to see what
10:41exactly what happened what happened was
10:43is that even Bert Lee he was as many
10:46facts and also those facts that is why I
10:53say recording available but even when
10:58they recorded again I go back to look at
11:00Brendan Dassey that was recorded that
11:03was I mean looking at it blindly I first
11:09time I ever saw it I thought of you
11:11honestly because I'm like this is he's
11:1416
11:15Martin was 17 I just people don't
11:19realize and I've said this over and over
11:21whether you have a high IQ from and you
11:24were spoiled rich kid or you're a scum
11:26of the lowlife when you have cops in
11:29your face yelling at you or being nice
11:32to you it's very easy to say I did it
11:35just to shut them up and you want to
11:38leave and you want to get them out I
11:39don't think people realize how easy it
11:43is to say I did it for someone not
11:45experienced in the law someone
11:48experienced it I say is really
12:43ultimately all motivations are or the
12:48ultimatums that are get it in the mail
14:21your camera a little because we're
14:23getting like your nose a perfect so I
14:29said it you just came to us I said both
14:34of the pilots balance a defines all of a
14:37sudden you're an interrogation room
14:41freedom in hours and hours and hours and
14:46essentially you get everything hold the
14:50only way you're leaving this room is
14:52tell everyone here every five six seven
14:56in other words you fart like what am I
15:01all over this behind and quite a little
15:03bit you're the Levites who believe that
15:05we need a life look at written a see
15:09what I agree and it is very
15:20understanding until you sort of water
15:23you know when you want other
15:25determinations of what an innocent son
15:33effect does that a minute right already
15:37and you get to somebody with your family
15:42members like okay you say something like
15:59that or they got my had or now with
16:08Brendan a lying
16:09totally off track from everything I
16:11wanted to ask you but speaking of
16:13Brendan into even speaking of you I
16:17understand it from Brendan's standpoint
16:19being for lack of a better way say
16:22disabled mentally challenged not it's
16:27the not respectable member of society
16:29from a bad home dysfunctional home I can
16:33see why his mom said no don't worry
16:35about you he doesn't need a lawyer you
16:37on the other hand I always wondered and
16:40always wanted to ask you why didn't
16:42anyone in your family get you a lawyer
16:44immediately why didn't your dad's lawyer
16:53father Tollman pretty degree I don't
17:03want more smoke okay
17:13every time they did in the case when
18:03they want to hide evil and in my case he
18:10was a lawyer
18:11Wow did your dad's partner ever he died
18:15right before a justice Koster was dead
18:26and the last prosecutors private
18:30convenient relevant news that so later
18:32them and Akriti is dead and creamy with
18:35that but you pursue your parents never
18:37got justice the partners still know is
18:45when the over with me that the
18:48prosecutorial powers returned back to
18:51his phone really prosecute is there's a
19:03new digital economy so we're hopeful
19:06Matthews resound we can present all the
19:11events we've gathered over the last 15
19:13to 20 years okay
19:17do you think that if that had enough
19:19happened to you you still would have
19:21been an attorney or are you thinking you
19:23would have taken a whole different path
19:25whoa
19:27what round here I wanna be to this man
19:29okay I wanted to be like Tron so no I
19:58had no tension or aspirations become a
20:00lawyer or a a law professor or you know
20:04teacher Georgetown or I I know that were
20:07living in my role okay
20:10and I will say though that Sean Piko I
20:14think was his name he also has become
20:18successful after 15 years I mean he
20:21actually did his crime but he's actually
20:23got involved not as as well as you but
20:26he also deals with um education in the
20:29system and make sure the prisoners in
20:32New York had mean that's another kid
20:34that got arrested at fifteen and really
20:36turned his life around after doing so
20:38many years in prison
20:39um it's impressive and in case you guys
20:42don't know marty is now an attorney he
20:45used seventeen years there's still one
21:08or two more stops on going through it
21:11but I am a I were in a law firm
21:15I'm professor at were law school and
21:19also a professor at Georgetown
21:21University I'm going to class that and
21:24that's where you did where I found which
21:27I did a video on him Valencia Dixon
21:31Valentino Dixon what an incredible story
21:35like I do
21:36did all video
21:37I knew when I was a student for a law
21:41school
21:42we set up an evolve in terms of the
21:45program and it was actually working for
21:48a Bruce farkhad who's a Laura luminaries
21:50and he was working on this case and you
21:54know we were there there and kind of
21:57just wasn't going anywhere but I've made
22:00a conventional scheme now and I'm hold
22:01on did he know I said that I will never
22:03give up on you and hopefully one day
22:05down the road
22:06it'll change and when in more power and
22:10I started teaching this class so I was
22:12down
22:14Valentina's one of the things we picked
22:16for the students was 80 cases and the
22:22student case I did a video on it
22:32I was shocked so as some of my
22:34subscribers bought his artwork as well
22:36through his website I was absolutely
22:38shocked at how the whole thing came
22:41about how it's just wild
22:44I mean for a murderer
22:50that another man came forward probably
22:56said because the gun okay Valentino was
23:05a man whose artists before the prison
23:07super intensive a huge rollers golf
23:10course
23:10guy never just at a firm golf course
23:14thought it was a crazy idea and also
23:18NASA said I'm on a different path we're
23:19starting to learn golf courses and you
23:23know the first golf worst he's ever
23:25remains whose fella leash you know a
23:28leash
23:30or someone who's never set foot on a
23:33golf course and the first golfers
23:35anything any of your subscribers would
23:38probably say you know penalty just
23:41probably one of the top five that are
23:44you gonna go to yeah that's just wild
23:48now another statistic that I pulled up
23:51though and you work with exonerees all
23:53the time
23:5421 there are 2120 exonerations in the US
23:58since 89 actually felt like it was more
24:00than that I'm according to national
24:02registry right so you have to understand
24:05the reason why that number is what it is
24:08what the definition is
24:10okay that's very important to understand
24:14the national registry generation is a
24:17very very strict kind of standard to get
24:20it editor to their list so you read the
24:23definition on their website you must
24:25qualify satisfy that but if you think
24:28about those numbers yeah that's really
24:31can about a year all right you but in
24:36the last two years right pick last year
24:38the year before you see how many is on
24:41arisians to the place last or the year
24:44before it's about one or two and a half
24:46days to a week three week every time it
25:00is exoneration for those damages that
25:02the guilty party have remained free
25:05coming and you different rods and victim
25:08on the news okay
25:11because one of the things that I have
25:13told subscribers for two years in
25:15multiple videos that everybody's
25:18focusing on the 5% max that are innocent
25:23in jail and I try to tell people 95% of
25:26the time we get it right
25:28it's that 5% that sucks but you can't
25:31hate an entire justice system because
25:3495% of the time they get it right it's
25:36just that 5% up to 5% but why are so
25:42many I understand New York's a big play
25:44but Suez Texas why is New York the
25:47second highest among states for false
25:49confessions I mean granted New York's
25:52big well you think about it it's
25:55probably one of the reasons why the
25:57training that goes it's the fact that we
26:01haven't had the mandatory electronic
26:04recording leaders of televisions I mean
26:06I think there was only one seam in
26:10America
26:11where was mandatory deportation in
26:14Alaska there's been introduction of
26:21electronic record generations I think or
26:28the because we're able to really watch
26:34them and understand you know what their
26:36problem is a default investor you lose
26:40weight the way law enforcement Macready
26:43in my case said he reported the reasons
26:53why they don't know if it's wrong
27:01somebody that inhibits that he what they
27:16migrate but even even when you do
27:19something wrong I go back to dasi every
27:22the whole world saw those interrogations
27:24and how the supreme not the supreme
27:27court how the 7th district
27:29appeals court you know half agreed half
27:33didn't agree one of the main reasons
27:36they didn't agree was the law that you
27:39know according to the law they did
27:40nothing wrong
27:42when is that gonna change because that
27:45needs to change because they did do
27:47stuff wrong he was a 16 year old kid you
27:49were a 17 year old kid
27:51so salty
28:00[Music]
28:19which I knew they would do you think I
29:17mean I know personally that Lauren and
29:20Steve der isn't have spent well over a
29:22million dollars in their time efforts
29:25everything try you know briefs it's not
29:28over but it kind of is over I mean it
29:31can they do anything else form or and
29:34now it's waiting on including everyone
29:48you know in normal condition he it's
29:51never okay with something they were
29:54doing
29:56there is more wood going on we're in
29:57Venice and I've known for very little
30:04for a million years ago
30:06and I can assure you in viewers and I
30:13would imagine so just because I mean
30:16it's kind of confusing because ok you
30:19get tonight from the Supreme Court
30:20you're done you know there's nowhere
30:22else to go but I'm like they have so
30:25many years invested in so many million
30:28over well over a million maybe even two
30:30million by this point invested you know
31:05if you really remember leaving in the
31:14lawyers mm-hmm
31:34but can she get through a completely
31:36corrupt County that's the problem
31:40I don't doubt her ability it's getting
31:43through the corruption of Manitowoc and
31:46what seemingly seems to be all of
31:49Wisconsin if you've heard what you know
31:56so you know
31:59humming a lawyer one better than okay
32:07mm-hmm and I think the one word or a we
32:35with the rain which he hears a lot of
32:40crap for that it's not scientific
32:44professor I'm sorry but he's got some
32:47credibility everyone
34:00okay so you in your heart you believe
34:03they're both completely innocent okay
34:39[Music]
34:44I took their words okay speaking of
34:48Kathleen Zellner real quickly a lot of
34:51feedback that she gets is she's
34:53unprofessional with her tweets and all
34:55that other stuff and supporters we
34:59always say like it doesn't matter like
35:01she's still gonna have the end result
35:03but one of the biggest things that we
35:06see as a supporter is she she has to
35:10have something up her sleeve somewhere
35:12like she's too vocal about this one did
35:16it or that one did it definitively but I
35:19feel like she's hiding the real person
35:21under her sleeve but doesn't want him to
35:24run am I totally off track or does that
35:27sound like a hotshot attorney would do
35:31that
36:27as they leave because you want to maybe
36:59okay that's kind of what I thought and
37:02I've always had that I'm wrapping up so
37:06besides getting admitted to the bar of
37:09New York State you spend 17 years in
37:12prison you are a professor of law you
37:14went through law school where does the
37:17future hold for Martin Tankleff and I
37:20know you married any kids thank you so
37:31one of the things I would love do you
38:59it's Suffolk and I grew up in Suffolk
39:02after Queens but it's Suffolk and my
39:04brother's a cop in Queens but if Suffolk
39:06County still so corrupt as it was and
39:21there's still the highest-paid police
39:24force in the entire country are you
39:42bitter towards what happened I mean you
39:43spent 17 years in prison are you bitter
39:47haha
40:50Wow
40:52morning I want to thank you so much for
40:54coming on um I know viewers are gonna be
40:57extremely happy I know they're gonna ask
40:59me you know well can you get them back
41:01for a live show so I will let you know
41:04feedback um anything you want to close
41:07on oh by the way verse I had her name my
41:12head Rosanna Scotto and Patti the
41:15videographer Patti's one of my best
41:17friends told me to tell you they said hi
41:20Patti told me tell you harm Rosanna said
41:21hi so I said okay I'll do that
41:46no work or well and overwork with
41:48chasing someone who's an ending remember
41:51the offensive object and there is a
41:53genuinely great very deep mobile and one
41:57of the most amazing reward is given
42:00there is a wrongful conviction in New
42:03York she's always open in mono Chapelle
42:06honoré explains agree sweet you just
42:14brought up some I was in the music
42:16business throughout the 90s I never knew
42:19Jason Flom was part of the Innocence
42:21Project granted it was like two separate
42:23lives for me I had no idea that he was
42:26all I had no idea it probably I think I
42:49learned this like a year ago I was like
42:51Jason Flom I was like how does he
42:54connect the two and everyone said yes
42:56but like a family member the Innocence
42:59Project like guess I just wasn't
43:00interested in criminal justice then but
43:03I never knew I was like wow he's got a
43:23list under him did he help with West
43:29Memphis Three because they had a ton of
43:41okay
43:42anything you want to close on new year
43:52sounds good Marty thank you so much and
43:55I'm gonna edit this little player nine
43:58one call I cannot even believe the 911
44:01call it I grew up in Suffolk County and
44:03to hear what a blatant bitch she was I
44:07was like wow have you heard of late
44:09recently
44:10oh thank you listen to me I was like wow
44:21so but I will send you a copy of the
44:24video I mean you can go to a channel but
44:26I'll send you a copy and if I don't
44:28speak to you I have a wonderful holiday
44:30Happy Hanukkah and happy New Year and
44:33I'll speak to you next year okay really
44:37thank you bye bye I don't everything's
44:40okay at the doctor's office

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