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0:02hello everybody
0:03welcome to the first episode of the true
0:04crime enthusiast i'm alessia and today
0:07we're going to be having a podcast and
0:08this is a podcast about
0:11where i dig into the past talk about
0:14various crime stories true crime stories
0:16and talk about
0:17it with my co-host and guest and today i
0:21have my co-host with me
0:22one thing oops yeah
0:25and my second school friend nadia hello
0:29to come with me on this journey so let's
0:31get started um so basically
0:33this story is well it's a true crime
0:36story
0:37um we're gonna talk about this one in
0:39famous case that
0:40you know where this kind of parenting
0:42style were helicopter parenting and
0:44tiger parents
0:46was able to push someone to the edge
0:49and you know it didn't end up in very
0:52good consequences huh
0:53so this is the murder case of the pan
0:56family
0:57so our story begins with uh hue
1:01han pan and big ha we were called han
1:04and dick
1:05they were both vietnamese refugees who
1:08came
1:09to who went to toronto i think they
1:12escaped to toronto
1:14both at different times but then they
1:16met there and they fell in love and then
1:17they got married
1:18so right after they got married they had
1:20two children
1:22so one was a girl named jennifer who is
1:25the main focus of the story
1:26and then the other is a younger boy
1:28three years later then jennifer
1:30who is named felix and uh three years
1:34after the birth of
1:35felix i'm guessing i'm not very sure
1:39um they found a job both of them found a
1:41job at an auto parts manufacturer which
1:43is a place that manufactured car parts
1:45so they were very frugal people like
1:48super frugal
1:50so with that mentality and attitude
1:52right they managed to
1:54save up enough money and by 2004
1:57so they got the job in 1989
2:01and by 2004 they were able to save up
2:03enough money to buy a huge house
2:05a large house and in a park in a town
2:08like about an hour away from toronto
2:10called markham
2:13and this house had two-car garage had a
2:16two-car garage
2:16and guess what they put inside the
2:18two-car garage han drove a mercedes-benz
2:22and the wife big drove a luxurious
2:26es300 both luxury cars by the way like
2:29it's not your bread and butter car you
2:31know they earned enough money to
2:34buy these cars and on top of that they
2:36had 200
2:37000 inside like in savings
2:40so in reserve they have worked that hard
2:43and become that frugal to save up that
2:44my money
2:45so basically they should learn
2:48basically they were like the immigrant
2:50success story you know
2:52relaxed waitress yeah rex to riches they
2:55were refugees they came to toronto and
2:58they became rich in a sense oh my god
3:01you need to take notes
3:04so you know with this immigrant story
3:07and and this
3:08whole thing where they came from vietnam
3:11to
3:12a foreign land and they managed to fund
3:14success and they started building a very
3:16good foundation for
3:17for their kids they want their kids to
3:19thrive off that foundation right
3:20like any normal parent would so what did
3:23they do
3:24asian typical asian they chew the oldest
3:27child
3:28jennifer you're focusing on jennifer
3:31they threw her into piano lessons and
3:34well she showed a good promise at it at
3:37four years old
3:38after that she threw she was thrown into
3:41figure skating
3:43and yeah she was trying to figure thing
3:46and
3:47uh she was trying to figure skating with
3:49the hopes
3:50of her making into the 2010 pinto
3:53olympics in vancouver
3:54to be a figure skater but then that
3:57dream was kind of shattered because um
4:00she tore ligament in her knee no
4:03yeah so it was quite sad la she wasn't
4:07able to
4:08compete or anything yeah
4:11so um but then
4:14this this this like her schedule is
4:17scary let me just read out her schedule
4:18to you so she will go to school
4:20by the way this is in elementary school
4:21which to us would be like primary school
4:23like primary school age so so she would
4:26go to
4:27school and then she would go to practice
4:30and then she would come home from
4:31practice at 10
4:32plus and then she'll go to she'll have
4:34um
4:35she'll just do her homework till
4:36midnight in her sleep
4:38and then she would just repeat that day
4:40again just over and over
4:42and over again always practice bring no
4:44lessons because they think what not
4:46like i don't know a child that goes to
4:49sleep at
4:50midnight primary school
4:53like i think down here i think your
4:55parents would like
4:56my mom yes whooping me to my bed at like
4:5910 p.m yeah
5:00so even though all this and and through
5:03this one i think she was described by
5:06her peers
5:07as you know very pretty she's tall
5:11but she was very plain looking because
5:13well i'm guessing her parents didn't
5:15decide to sponsor clothes or anything
5:17like whatnot
5:19so she never really wore makeup and then
5:22she also had these like glasses that
5:25kind of like nadia has but they weren't
5:27trendy back then
5:29so it was kind of like described as not
5:32trend
5:32right not expensive it was cheap and and
5:37you know just just to to go by with her
5:39eyesight you know
5:40so they see them walk into a wall yeah
5:43this is basically like the asian
5:45stereotype but like yeah
5:47enhanced yeah everyone there is like
5:50destination
5:51okay yeah so so she had a personality
5:54that was described as very friendly very
5:56confident you know
5:57and and she would make sure everybody
5:59because the school allowed that
6:00you know they they would mix with boys
6:03girls
6:03you know whatever race they would mix
6:06with asians caucasians
6:08and then they were mixed with jokes they
6:09were mixed with nerds and geeks the
6:11artsy people
6:12and everybody so she would just be
6:15friends with everybody
6:16so you know here you have this girl
6:18who's very promising
6:20like this young girl social butterfly
6:23straight a student
6:24oh yeah she was a straight a student by
6:26the way ah wow
6:27she gets straight ace honestly she's
6:30like well
6:31she's like i didn't know i thought
6:33she'll be like i'm not like very quiet
6:34like kind like you know like
6:36yeah and then quieter quiet then not
6:38quite quietly go home right
6:40now and then like she's actually quite
6:42friendly and outgoing like very
6:44surprising here
6:45uh i think one of her like a friend of
6:48hers not a friend of us i think a junior
6:49of hers actually said that
6:51you know if you caught her attention you
6:53will have her attention for
6:54like an hour so like she would literally
6:57give you all the attention and should
6:58talk to you
6:58and she'll ask you questions she was
7:00very friendly and she was very like able
7:02to connect with a lot of people
7:04wow yeah so you know you have this girl
7:07who is
7:08she's a social butterfly in school she's
7:09a straight a student she wants
7:11scholarships
7:12and on top of that she can play the
7:13piano she was in a school i think she
7:15was in a school band
7:16and playing flute and then she would
7:19yeah she would figure skate well that
7:22really didn't work out but you know she
7:23would figure skate by high school she
7:26actually had an early acceptance into
7:28ryerson
7:29university wow she
7:33is succeeding yeah and then
7:36she said okay it's not a it's not a
7:38university that i really
7:40was planning to it's not like the best
7:41university or anything so
7:43um i'll go study two years for in
7:46science and then uh every sun and then i
7:49will transfer to
7:50university of toronto uh into the
7:53pharmacology
7:54program i'll call it unt for now u of t
7:57sorry u of t
7:59so that was that was her thing which is
8:02an asian
8:03parent's dream child like like she is
8:07and then got a holistic background
8:11so she had a very bright future ahead of
8:12her you know
8:14unfortunately oh god oh god here it
8:17comes
8:18this was all a lie well not all of
8:21it majority of it
8:24a big part of it and it was a big lie
8:28that jennifer told her parents to her
8:30friends to cover up the real shoes
8:32behind it
8:34yes wait so she's the murderer
8:43i knew something was wrong
8:46it's going to be true man yeah
8:49she did academically well in her
8:52elementary school
8:53for her elementary school life but then
8:56by grade nine her grade started to take
8:58a dive
8:59and yoshi wasn't getting a's but she was
9:02getting like 70 percent
9:03so like a b like all right
9:07yeah okay right yes something that's not
9:09okay for her parents oh yeah
9:10sorry i expected trade is
9:14kind of like singaporean parents also
9:15but you know
9:18so after that you know because of all
9:20this pressure to be a straight a student
9:23she started to self-harm
9:28i mean everybody breaks down a point
9:29right and especially with that much
9:31pressure built inside you
9:32i guess you don't know where else to
9:35put it into la so she started
9:37self-coming and
9:39at her grade 8 graduation which was like
9:43a year before grade 9 which was about
9:46i would say 13 14 for us just to put it
9:49in perspective
9:50yeah um she expected herself to be named
9:53valedictorian
9:54and also to receive a few medals because
9:56of her academic achievements but
9:59nothing she didn't get any medals she
10:00didn't get anything she didn't get named
10:02valedictorian so
10:04she felt like all her effort that she
10:06put into like studying
10:07and all her long nights and doing
10:11so many things i just wasted you know
10:14she wasn't very recognized for it she
10:16she was so upset
10:18and you know but she said she was
10:20putting she said she was happy about it
10:22yeah she was like i'm fine with it you
10:24know like putting a happy mask on
10:26that's what she called it she just put a
10:28happy mask you just say yeah
10:30i'm fine it's totally fine so
10:33why would her parents think that she's
10:35getting straight
10:37even though she isn't she's getting
10:38beats can you guess
10:41she killed someone yeah report card
10:44wow oh okay oh
10:47man okay too fast too fast
10:50she cheats report right no okay forge
10:53report card is
10:55somewhat like um true you know she did
10:58she took um
10:59all report cards with three a's she
11:02would take
11:02scissors glue i knew it in a photocopy
11:05machine and then she would just paste
11:07and it should photocopy and they should
11:08give it a spot
11:11it's so smart
11:17but this is the beginning of a small
11:19lies like
11:21just a beginning of her web of lies that
11:24she would you know have
11:25so like i mentioned before han was a
11:28tiger dad
11:29and you know everything i've told you so
11:31far is kind of like the tip of the
11:33iceberg
11:34so she made her do piano lessons figure
11:37skating classes still like her schedule
11:39was so intense and so packed
11:41no but it's not all so what what he
11:44would do or what her parents would do is
11:46that he would
11:47they would pick her up every single day
11:48from school
11:50and then monitor her extracurricular
11:52activities which were like swimming and
11:54ushu back then
11:55and then like banned her from any school
11:57dance any school functions because like
11:59it was deemed as
12:01uh unproductive that's right but it's so
12:04fun imagine you guys can't go prominent
12:07if i choose not to go is one thing but
12:10being unable to go
12:11yeah it's like yeah it's like kind of
12:13like your parents like houston like you
12:15know everyone would judge you and say
12:16like oh my god why is she not here like
12:17you know what kind of thing because
12:18she's actually kind of like friendly and
12:20stuff but you know she's like
12:21she's like can't hear all these things
12:23there oh my god also like the typical
12:25asian rule she wasn't allowed to date
12:26anybody to
12:27after university and you know she wasn't
12:30able to go to any parties
12:32and even at sleepovers her parents would
12:34chop her off very late in the night
12:36and then pick her up very early in the
12:38morning so she would spend the
12:39least amount of time there what's the
12:41point what's the point yeah
12:43she go there and sleep she come back
12:48exactly basically just i'm wearing a
12:50space on your floor
12:52yeah so you know like i have strict
12:56parents
12:56i i have parents who like tell me okay
12:58you have to come back at this time
13:00you know you cannot go out with your
13:01friends no i don't allow you to go
13:03even study that kind of thing but like
13:04not to this level like
13:07monitoring and this is literally tiger
13:09parenting
13:10everything like at its best yeah
13:14so like you know what will you guys have
13:16done
13:18uh
13:21um i probably yeah i cannot blame her
13:25for
13:25okay it is her fault that she fought a
13:27report card but at the same time you
13:29can't help but sympathize with her you
13:31know because she has all this stress on
13:32her she's
13:33she's sleeping at 12 every day at the
13:35age of like seven eight like for god's
13:37sake
13:38of course she's about to break like
13:40especially with the self-harming thing
13:41and i bet she couldn't tell anyone
13:42because if she told her friends friends
13:44probably laugh
13:45that's not like don't believe don't
13:48believe in like this kind of depression
13:49thing
13:50so it's like why is this so sad but at
13:52the same time it's like
13:55[ __ ] man especially with the sleepover
13:57thing i'm sorry about i don't
13:58do you just don't allow her to go at all
14:00can you so sad you
14:02drop her off after her everything which
14:04is 12. already they're gonna sleep
14:06then she's already tired so even if you
14:07talk talk in the middle of the night
14:08she's gonna sleep right
14:10because she's so tired and then after
14:11that you come at like let's say five to
14:13pick up
14:14there was no point in sending her to the
14:16sleepover
14:18why would you do that oh yeah oh my god
14:23but honestly right if the parents are
14:24not so strict right she wouldn't have
14:26watched all the
14:27report cards and stuff
14:34you know that kind of thing you know
14:35aside from her parents and being dogs
14:38she was a very pretty girl she was
14:40you know she looked good so at grade 11
14:44this was before boyfriend university by
14:47the way
14:47yes yes he met a boy named danielle
14:50of course her name is daniel yeah and
14:54he was in this i think he was in the
14:55school band and
14:57he was one year older than her so he was
14:58a senior and he was described to be
15:01goofy had a big had a big laugh and a
15:03white smile
15:05and they basically remained friends
15:07until they went on a trip to
15:09europe in 2003. as a band
15:13yeah yeah you know it was a school band
15:14trip wait wait so the parents let her go
15:16man
15:17yeah the parents yeah
15:21i mean i guess it's because it's like
15:22it's it's a school thing so they were
15:24like okay just go
15:25you know if it was not a school thing i
15:27don't think they would allow her to
15:29so after they had a performance in one
15:31of the concert halls
15:33the concert hall stood up with smoke and
15:34because she had asthma she started
15:36panicking and she couldn't breathe
15:39so so the whole entire class like go
15:41outside go outside take
15:42taking fresh air take deep breaths and
15:44whatnot and then then i was there to
15:46like comfort her
15:47like
15:48[Music]
15:51and from there on she was like oh my god
15:54he's my hero
15:55you know he's my savior like he he saved
15:57me it was just
15:58one time okay all right she she she
16:01viewed it as he saved my life he was my
16:03hero
16:04so after that you know they started
16:05dating because she
16:07fell in love with him like ned in love
16:10she thought it was love i don't like
16:12where this is going i think yeah like
16:13where this is going
16:15so they start dating daniel you watch
16:17out
16:21so remember han's rule was no boyfriend
16:24no boyfriends until after university not
16:27even during universities after
16:28university
16:30so what was the thing they had to keep
16:31their relationship a secret
16:33and keep a relationship a secret from
16:35their parents they have to keep it
16:37not from her from their parents just her
16:38parents from her parents her friends
16:42everybody like anybody it was just
16:44hush-hush
16:45so you know these were already two big
16:47lies
16:49relationship feeling great and
16:52you know how these big lies work right
16:54you just have to keep building on them
16:56forming this web of lies until it just
16:58becomes so big and
17:01and so intricate and massive and just
17:04you have to come up so many details just
17:06to evade things and so she built this
17:09narrative
17:09she did build this narrative and it was
17:11very big to cover her tracks
17:13now the bright jennifer was earning
17:16mostly bees in school
17:18and she didn't receive that was an ally
17:20she did receive an early acceptance into
17:22riyazan
17:23uh university but then the last point
17:27she
17:27failed calculus so uh
17:31calculus i think in her final exam which
17:34meant
17:35that she couldn't graduate high school
17:37no
17:38yes so that means they the the
17:41university
17:42rejected like not rejected but like took
17:44back their offer
17:45because she felt graduate high school oh
17:47my god
17:49acceptance would want to accept a
17:51non-graduate into
17:53university there's no such way to do
17:55that
17:57so guess what good old jan did next
18:01she stayed and she pretended to go to
18:03uni but then she was actually camping in
18:05high school
18:07well half true kind of so
18:12what did she do she decided to tell her
18:14parents that hey
18:15i'm starting classes because it's the
18:17early admission right
18:19i'm starting classes in fall that year
18:21right after i graduate i'm starting
18:22classes in four
18:23so i would go to campus and i would um i
18:26would do another science degree
18:28for two years and then i will transfer
18:30to u of e
18:31uh uf u of t sorry u of t
18:35and um i'll go into the pharmacology uh
18:38program
18:40and you know the father was like super
18:42excited like hey you know my daughter
18:44my daughter is a straight a student she
18:46graduated uh
18:48graduate high school at the top of class
18:50and then now she's got an early
18:52acceptance into university like hey i'm
18:54living their life with
18:54the best daughter ever she even
18:56graduated pro
18:58yeah so what he did was he bought her
18:59laptop and then she got used
19:02signs how do you lie to someone that
19:05much that they buy
19:06they buy you a laptop for failing high
19:08school
19:09i also want yeah she started to
19:13get used signs textbooks and then she
19:16bought stationery what not and
19:18september comes by and she pretends to
19:21attend the orientation week
19:23so now she's pretending to go to uni so
19:25what the hell does she do in the
19:26meantime of going to uni
19:29you know taking the train down to
19:31toronto
19:32working okay
19:37your boyfriend this daniel got
19:40bad news so you know her parents are
19:42very helicopter parents right so they
19:44want to know what she's doing
19:45in school oh no so what she would do is
19:47she will go down to the public library
19:49she will research on a computer let me
19:51see let me check what you know
19:52like based on my judgment what what is
19:55related to this course
19:56so you should search it on the web and
19:58then i thought she would just copy
19:59downloads on a textbook or a text like
20:01uh or notebook and then she would show
20:04it to your parents like hey this is this
20:05is what i learned in class
20:06and on top of that she would spend her
20:09time at cafes
20:11and visit daniel when he was studying at
20:13another university
20:15and she will also work as a server on
20:17the day
20:18she would teach piano lessons and then
20:21she would go to
20:23she would attend a bar at a pizza place
20:25that the
20:26boyfriend was a kitchen manager after
20:29two years of doing all these things
20:31she actually was supposed to
20:34theoretically
20:35supposed to go and transfer right and
20:38then she lied to her that yeah
20:40i'm transferring i was accepted into the
20:42school i'm going to transfer
20:43she said that because she's transferring
20:45she
20:46the the transit will take a very long
20:48time every day
20:50so she asked the parents hey you know
20:52three out of
20:53three nights out of the whole entire
20:54week can i just stay at a friend's house
20:57oh my god yeah
21:00yeah she stayed at her boyfriend's house
21:04but daniel didn't have my eye on you but
21:07honestly right i think her her life's
21:09right it's like
21:09super like big and i think it's so often
21:12the parents there because the parents
21:13like
21:13like stop her and start like like
21:15monitor her right like
21:16why why would they not knows yeah i
21:19think i think
21:20like maybe after when she went into
21:21university they
21:23maybe like fun sing it yeah
21:26yeah you know basically the dad was more
21:28of the tiger parent the mom was
21:30like an accomplice to it like unwilling
21:32accomplice so she would help
21:34she will help jennifer from time to time
21:35she will pull back a little bit from
21:37being the tiger parent
21:38so she allowed her to you know
21:41stay at her friend's house and then two
21:44years go by
21:45and she's supposed to have graduated
21:47from university with a degree
21:49her boyfriend decides to hire a
21:53a person to fake a transcript
21:56of her good grades so that she would
21:58have always showed her parents
22:00and then so that her parents would now
22:01go to the graduation center ceremony she
22:03said that oh you know this class is too
22:05big
22:05so they only allow one guest per student
22:09i can only bring one person so i don't
22:11want to have to choose between the two
22:12of you
22:13you know i'm bringing my friend yeah i'm
22:15going to give the ticket to my friend
22:18so eventually her lies just begin
22:23i feel like stress for her
22:26don't you lie that much wow while
22:29supposedly studying at u of t she told
22:31parents about this like
22:32exciting new thing that she was
22:34volunteering at a blood testing lab
22:36at a hospital you know and and it would
22:39require late light shifts
22:41so she wanted to stay at her friend's
22:42house topaz for
22:44a longer time stronger periods of times
22:47um
22:47but then han was like hey this is a bit
22:50odd you don't have a uniform
22:51you don't have badges at working at a
22:53hospital you need these things because
22:55like
22:55you need to be identified yeah there's a
22:57lot of things like drugs and
22:59and other things that are kept inside a
23:00hospital you cannot just let any
23:02any old joe just go inside and take
23:04whatever they want right one night he
23:06was like he was insistent i'm going to
23:07drive you to
23:08the hospital and and you know that day
23:13she was like she got out of the car
23:16immediately when they stopped she got
23:17out of the car she was like bye and she
23:19ran in
23:20the father was like fishy mother go
23:23inside follow her
23:26so the mother was like okay fine then
23:27she she went in to
23:29chase after jen and she was like you
23:30know just looking around
23:32and jen knew jen knew that her mom was
23:34like coming after her already she goes
23:36into the waiting room of the emergency
23:38room
23:38to just hide for a few hours until her
23:41parents left
23:43the parents the next day called her
23:45friend topaz
23:46where she was supposedly staying at
23:48right
23:49so called her and then she was like hey
23:52you know
23:52is she there sorry mrs pan
23:56sorry mr pan jenny's not there jen's not
23:58here she's not sleeping over
24:00so when she finally returns oh girl han
24:04is
24:04furious you know he's angry already he's
24:06like you lied to me
24:08you know you know what not where do you
24:10find what else she lied about girl
24:12and then boy yeah so she he confronted
24:15her
24:15and basically she let everything out she
24:18showed
24:19everything you know she confessed that
24:21she didn't volunteer at the hospital
24:24she didn't she didn't get into u of t
24:26she was
24:27staying at daniel's house rather than
24:29topaz
24:30she didn't even go to uh university
24:33at all and best of fiat to top the icing
24:36she didn't even graduate high school
24:39i mean he wanted to kick her out he was
24:41like you know get out get out of my
24:42house no don't lose she's going to the
24:44boyfriend's house
24:45yeah and then her mom mom was very
24:47sympathetic
24:48so her mom was like no let her stay here
24:50go up to your room i want to talk like
24:52this
24:53talk this through with that so
24:56what the compromise was that she could
24:58live in the house was house arrest
25:00how how's the rest yeah so for
25:04two weeks after the incident they took
25:06away her phone they took away her laptop
25:09she wasn't able to contact anybody and
25:12even after the two weeks she was given
25:14stipulated times to like use her devices
25:16and she would only
25:17be able to use her devices in front of
25:18her parents like with supervision
25:21like she would be she would have like
25:23spontaneous text checks like
25:25hey give me your phone let me check your
25:27text messages so you're not contacting
25:28anybody you're not contacting daniel
25:30so cut off the connection with danielle
25:32so no laptop
25:33no phone no danielle i want to break up
25:35bro let him have a break up at least
25:37like
25:38yeah so even when she managed to get a
25:41little bit of freedom she was able to
25:43teach piano lessons and and even when
25:46driving on the road
25:47her parents would check the mileage of
25:48the car so like see how far she goes
25:51oh my god are you serious that's crazy
25:54yeah
25:55and then she was when she was given more
25:57freedom she was able to
25:59enroll into a course to finish up her
26:01high school
26:03my high school education and how old was
26:06she then
26:07how was she yeah good question i was
26:08going to mention that she was uh
26:10should be 22 23 already oh my god it's
26:13like 22
26:1423 years old probably probably around
26:15there 24 yeah the whole adult
26:18yeah she's in her mid-20s and this is
26:20what her parents are doing why didn't
26:21they stop to think
26:23about like why did she lie so much you
26:26know i feel like they should have any
26:27stop to think about
26:28it because it's also the blame it's also
26:31on them you know if they weren't
26:33like so tiger parenting like if they
26:36weren't so like strict on her things
26:37probably would have gone down a very
26:39different route
26:40but it all started from their parent
26:42thing that's why she turned out like
26:44having to lie so much basically jennifer
26:47was
26:47madly in love well she thought she was
26:49madly in love with daniel
26:51and you know she was very lonely during
26:53those two weeks
26:56for the two weeks that she was under
26:57house arrest her mother would be with
26:59her constantly
27:01but then her mother would cite it for a
27:02little bit and then she would tell
27:04she would tell her you know this is
27:06where your dad hit your phone
27:08you can go and use it for now so she
27:09would just text
27:11and then after that she would also sneak
27:13her phone to her room
27:15and under the blanket like that she
27:18would call daniel like hey you know how
27:20are you doing i miss you
27:21you're so cute then she will also sneak
27:24out to daniel's um
27:26house in the middle of the night and one
27:28time her mother
27:29caught her because when she went into
27:31the room in the morning to
27:32i think retrieved something from
27:34jennifer's room she wasn't there
27:36well she received help for that after
27:38that you know she was
27:39placed under house arrest again i guess
27:42and
27:43basically somewhere along somewhere down
27:45this line
27:47i didn't really want this relationship
27:48to keep going on
27:50he's already 25 years old you know he's
27:52in his mid 20s
27:54and he's still having a girl who's like
27:56behaving
27:57well like a child behaving like a 15
28:00year old like oh i cannot cannot
28:02talk to you because you know my dad my
28:04dad is
28:05coming it's like why you are full grown
28:08adult
28:09like why are you still doing this you
28:11know all these kinds of things and
28:13he couldn't understand i mean i'm pretty
28:14sure you understood it but he was like i
28:16cannot do this anymore
28:18so she was like i'm gonna break up with
28:19you and jen was heartbroken
28:22but she loved him so much right not even
28:25like
28:26so long after the breakup he started
28:29dating another girl called christine
28:33oh god so this drives her to the edge
28:37and this is like where you start to see
28:39her really lose her mind
28:41and so because she was so obsessed with
28:43daniel but she couldn't go out to do all
28:44the like you know to try and get him
28:46back like physically like
28:47you know no that's my boyfriend that
28:49kind of thing so what she did was she
28:51came up with a very elaborate lie
28:54about about christine and how she wanted
28:58to make him hate her so what she did was
29:02she told danielle that hey you know one
29:05day when i was home alone
29:08my parents went home and and i i heard
29:10on the door
29:11and this guy put a um police badge to
29:15the peak hole
29:16at the door and and said you know this
29:18police and so when she opened up the
29:19door
29:20a group of i think about five men came
29:23into her house and
29:24sexually assaulted her in the foyer of
29:26her house
29:27she said after the ordeal five days
29:29later
29:30um i received a bullet in the mail you
29:33know who did this
29:34christine kristen did this because she
29:36hates me so much yeah
29:37so he breaks it off with christine and
29:39then they're back together
29:42stronger than ever back together like
29:44hello
29:45oh my god why is why is it like that
29:48yeah oh my god
29:49why oh my god i don't know why the guy
29:50so stupid
29:52oh i think it's because um he has
29:55ties to like at one point of time he was
29:58arrested for
29:59having weed in his car and stuff so
30:02he runs around in that circle as well so
30:04he's like you know it's
30:06it's possible that these things could
30:09happen
30:10living in a dangerous society that kind
30:12of thing
30:13further down along the line she
30:15reconnects with a elementary school
30:17friend called andrew
30:18so this guy was praying to her all about
30:20like how you know hey
30:22i i rock people at gunpoint one and and
30:26she started opening up to him about how
30:28she hates her father
30:29and so to that andrew's response was
30:34hey you know at one point i wanted to
30:38kill my dad
30:41you know i was i hated my dad and i
30:43wanted to kill him
30:45but i feel like this is something like
30:46you say as a friend
30:48it just forms in the brain and you know
30:50that's stupid google brain
30:51it's like hey what if i killed my dad
30:54i'll be reading this wall of handbag
30:57like hey you know i wouldn't be under
30:58this
30:59tyrannical control i wouldn't be
31:02under house arrest i would be able to
31:05live my life and be happy with daniel
31:07and
31:07you know i don't have to keep lying and
31:09stuff
31:10so jennifer and daniel who were back
31:13together and talking and flirting and
31:14stuff you know exchanging 30 texts and
31:16stuff
31:17they've gone to a topic about
31:18inheritance
31:20how if she killed her parents she'll be
31:23able to get 500
31:24you know inheritance she'll
31:27should be able to drive the cars that
31:30they drive she will be able to
31:32get the house that they have they will
31:33be able to live together in that house
31:36i think somewhere along the lines of it
31:38is like he was like hey
31:39this is a good prospect this is good
31:41thing for my future i would have the
31:43house
31:43i would have a car you know i would have
31:45money and so
31:47like just like yeah you know
31:50i'm gonna do this with her like this
31:52this really putting into
31:53stone god yeah god i knew that it was
31:57bad news
31:58so what did he do he gave her a burner
32:00phone which was an iphone that he
32:02um he gave her an iphone and he said
32:05contact this guy
32:06called lanford crawford
32:09who goes by homeboy so i'm just going to
32:11refer to him as homeboy because that's
32:13how he went by
32:14and so hombay told her that hey you know
32:16my usual rates are twenty thousand
32:18dollars to kill people
32:19but since you're a friend of daniel's
32:22since you're his girlfriend you know
32:23you're related to him
32:25i'm gonna give you i'm gonna slash your
32:27prices by 50
32:28so you just have to pay 10 000
32:32and so they were like okay sure
32:35they agree on the price and then on
32:38halloween night
32:39they uh he goes to her house to survey
32:42the place
32:44just just do not see scope out anything
32:47like how i'm
32:48gonna enter check the windows what not
32:51and on november the 2nd which was i
32:54think like
32:55two three days afterwards donald called
32:58jennifer and said hey you know
33:00i've been having feelings for christine
33:02again
33:03she's having feelings for me and i kind
33:05of want to get back with her
33:07then i was like you know okay fine fine
33:10if you if you're gonna do that then then
33:11call off the hit call the hit on my
33:13parents
33:13you know tell homeboy it's over it's not
33:16gonna happen
33:17and then i was like but aren't you doing
33:19this for you
33:20you know like call it off your phone boy
33:22you said you wanted this with or without
33:23me like hey you know
33:26you know it's for you isn't it
33:27jennifer's like yeah it's for me and
33:28then to stop talking for that day
33:30the next day he was like hey you know
33:32everything's lined up everything's ready
33:34we can go and so it was like what the
33:37heck
33:37like 180 turner he went from
33:41i want to break up with you too hey
33:44you know let's kill your parents
33:46together you know this this just shows
33:48like the cuckoo couple probably made for
33:50each other
33:51mm-hmm yeah really the cuckoo hopper is
33:53like what the heck
33:54do you guys not think about this like
33:57who would be the first suspects on the
33:59list then
34:01you think about it but anyway what what
34:04it was
34:05um thought to be it was supposedly what
34:08their plan was
34:09um uh carry out a robbery
34:14it was supposed to be hey you know i'm
34:15gonna do a robbery gone wrong
34:18so like the rubber is going in they
34:20threaten and they accidentally kill
34:23you know because there's a struggle so
34:27november 8 rolls around and homeboy
34:29attacks jennifer
34:31after what okay will be game time exact
34:33text
34:35grammar is the evening jennifer was
34:38watching
34:39shows in a bedroom like netflix shows
34:40early shows
34:42i i think it was a gossip girl or
34:44something and han was downstairs
34:46reading the vietnamese news and he at
34:49around 8
34:5030 p.m he went upstairs to go to bed
34:54and the brother felix was off at
34:57university so you know he wasn't at home
34:58at all
34:59and big the mother was
35:03at a line done something she was lying
35:05dancing with her friends
35:06so she came home about 9 30 at 9 35
35:11she um oh sorry at 9 30 and then she
35:14decided to change into a pj's and soak
35:17her feet in front of the tv
35:18i'm just like no relaxing after line
35:22dancing
35:23at 9 35 p.m a man named david
35:26who is a friend of homeboy called
35:28jennifer and they spoke for two minutes
35:31jennifer then went downstairs to say
35:32good night here's a mom good night
35:34and then open the front door so she
35:37unlocked the front door
35:39then at 10 02 pm the light in the study
35:42switched on for one minute
35:44and then it switched off so this was
35:47thought to be like maybe a signal it's
35:50like hey
35:50you know i've done whatever needs to be
35:53done
35:54no then at 1005 daniel called again
35:58sorry no daniel david called again and
36:00they spoke for three and a half minutes
36:02right after the call three includers
36:05passed into the door
36:08each intruder for one person basically
36:10so one for that one for the mom one for
36:12jennifer
36:13right so each person took the one person
36:15down so the two introduced
36:17to han down from his bedroom and
36:20as big was running up the stairs the
36:22other one grabbed down and put him in
36:23the living room
36:25and then jennifer who was upstairs was
36:28tied with a shoelace i can't i
36:31don't know how they tied her and then
36:35um basically told her to go into her
36:37bedroom and give her
36:39give them the money so she went into the
36:40bedroom give them
36:422 500 and then she went into the parents
36:45room
36:46to take money also from the nightstand
36:49and then she went down to the kitchen to
36:51take from her mom's wallet so basically
36:53the parents are paying
36:55for their own death yeah i was like oh
36:58wait the parents are paying for their
37:02own death
37:03i was like what the heck so while she
37:06was digging for a round for the money
37:07like
37:08big was um well while she was digging
37:10around for the money because like how
37:11did he get into the house like you know
37:13i locked the door like
37:14how how on earth like and and han was
37:16like i don't know i was sleeping
37:18they were yelling in cantonese so he's
37:19like where's the money where's the money
37:21and and
37:22han was like hey i only got 60 dollars
37:23in my wallet i've only got 60
37:25definitely more money hidden around the
37:27house but he's like i only got 60
37:29in my wallet and the man was like liar
37:33liar and after he whacked him across the
37:34head with a pistol
37:36so oh i forgot to mention him so he
37:38breaks him across the head with a pistol
37:42and yeah so so he kind of blacks out
37:46and and and and because like it's
37:49like basically right next to the to
37:51husband right he's like no don't hurt
37:53our doctor just please don't her
37:54daughter
37:55because she's evaluated the situation is
37:57like this is more than a robbery this is
37:59not just
38:00a normal robbery this is normally
38:02robbers won't do this
38:04normally robbers won't leave tracks and
38:05like after people have witnessed their
38:07faces
38:08you know kill somebody or knock somebody
38:11out
38:11in fake violence so that's just not a
38:13normal ammo for
38:15robbers and so
38:18they were like hey you know rice is uh
38:20rest assured she will not be hurt if
38:22she's nice
38:24and um the last intruder who was named
38:27karti
38:28he led jennifer back upstairs after she
38:31got the money from her mom's wallet she
38:32went right upstairs
38:33and tied her to the banister so tied her
38:35arms to the banister in like this
38:37position
38:39and and basically they took the two
38:41parents
38:42into the basement their basement and
38:44then put a sack over their heads
38:47um and then they shot han twice with
38:50shot time twice once in the shoulder
38:52then once in the face
38:54and then he basically just crumpled to
38:55the floor and then they shot big
38:57three times in the face you want in the
38:59head and that killed her instantly
39:01so she was dead instantly and then they
39:03ran out through the door
39:06so jennifer somehow managed to retrieve
39:09the phone that was inside her waistband
39:12and and and she managed to die 9-1-1
39:15and you know she was like please help me
39:17help me i need help i don't know where
39:19my parents are please help me please
39:20hurry
39:21and at the 34-second mark of the call
39:25she starts to hear moaning and it's hard
39:28morning
39:29in the basement and and he is
39:32he had awoken covered in blood with his
39:34dead wife's body next to him
39:36and she crawled out to the main floor
39:38jen was saying he was like
39:39hey dad dad i'm calling 9-1-1 like it's
39:42all gonna be okay
39:44but han doesn't even go up to get
39:47jennifer
39:48he runs out of the house he's like he's
39:50hysterical he's
39:51screaming the hell you know he's he okay
39:54i don't know if it's helped but he's
39:55just basically screaming and and just
39:58that coincidentally his neighbor was
40:00going was leaving for work at night
40:02and so he was like help and the neighbor
40:04got my mom for him and
40:06police came ambulance came and then they
40:08took him to the hospital and stuff
40:11so after that um
40:14the police interviewed jen just before 3
40:16a.m
40:17and she told them that the man would
40:19enter the house looking for money
40:21tied her to the banister then then her
40:23parents
40:24took her parents down to the basement
40:26and shot them
40:27and two days after then brought her into
40:30to get a second
40:31statement after like after the crime
40:33right
40:34then she began to show them because they
40:37were like
40:37they didn't believe her at first like
40:39how on earth do you take your phone out
40:40from your waistband it was a flip phone
40:43how do you call what not so she decided
40:46to contour her body and show them that
40:48it actually can be done
40:49i was like okay fine you did it what not
40:54and but then you know whole started to
40:58be seen and emerged from her stories and
41:01the police
41:02you know police are smart people not all
41:05police but hey
41:06you know detectives know
41:09what's right what the kind of like they
41:11know holes
41:12when they see them right so some of the
41:14questions that they had for her was
41:16um if the key is to
41:20um the lexus was in plain view in the
41:22front door
41:23why didn't they take them why didn't
41:25they take the car if this was a home
41:26invasion for
41:27robbery why didn't they take the car
41:29it's one of the most prized possessions
41:31and um why didn't they have a crowbar to
41:35get in they didn't even prepare one
41:37the front door was wide open like
41:38unlocked basically
41:40and they didn't even carry a backpack
41:42because like when you are stealing
41:44something you need a backpack to load
41:46stuff into right you need to
41:48like steal money and take price
41:50possessions and whatnot
41:52and by the way nothing was stolen from
41:54the crime scene like
41:56at the house nothing was stolen
41:59except for the money that she gave she
42:01willingly gave
42:02nothing was stolen in the crime scene
42:04they did mess up the house to look it
42:06to make it look like it was ransacked
42:08through but nothing was stolen
42:11so and then one of the most important is
42:13why would they shoot two witnesses but
42:16leave one unharmed you know
42:19so after that the police were monitoring
42:22jennifer's movements
42:23so first it was the parents monitoring
42:25the movements not the police and
42:26monetary movements
42:28so in the meantime of all these things
42:31han was han uh with his injuries
42:35that he sustained um he was he fell into
42:38a coma
42:39right after the uh
42:42i think before his injuries and
42:43everything he found into a coma for
42:45three days and when he woke up he had a
42:47broken eye
42:48a broken bone near his eye bullet
42:51fragments lodged in his face
42:52that daughter that doctors couldn't
42:54remove and a shattered whole neck
43:00and basically the bullet had grace and
43:03artery
43:04so he remembered everything
43:07you know he remember everything from the
43:09crime scene he didn't even lose any
43:10memory of it so he remembered
43:12that he recalled seeing his daughter
43:14chatting softly with
43:16the with the intruder like a friend
43:19and he said like you know he said that
43:22with one of the insurance that her arms
43:23were not tied behind back and she was
43:25being well she was being led around the
43:26house to get the money
43:28so basically like she was just walking
43:30around like this and then bring the
43:32intruder around like hey come on
43:33let me take the money and whatnot so i
43:35wasn't actually tired of the shoelace
43:36she said it was tight with a shoelace
43:37but he doesn't
43:40so on november the 22nd
43:43the police uh brought jennifer in for
43:46the third
43:47the third interview this one developed a
43:49different tone
43:50the direct the detective and he said
43:53that you know
43:54she was involved in the crime it's like
43:56you you are you are clearly involved in
43:58the crime like
43:59this this cannot be a just a home
44:01invasion gone wrong
44:03so it's like you know you better face up
44:06like this
44:07your dad has started talking you know
44:09what not and
44:10you better call you better confess to
44:12this crime and and so she
44:13under all the stress and everything she
44:14broke down and she's like
44:17what happens to me if i do you know
44:20oh god girl so after four hours of like
44:24interrogation everything she
44:27she didn't dress up she created a very
44:31absurd lie wow this girl can lie
44:35never learned you know so
44:38she said that it would have been an
44:40attack
44:41wait sorry she said that the attack had
44:43been an elaborate attempt
44:45to commit suicide but gone horribly
44:48wrong she had given up her life and
44:51couldn't manage to kill
44:52herself so she hired homeboy to kill you
44:55know to do the deed for her
44:57and in september she decided to call off
44:59the hit she's like no no i don't i
45:01i don't want to kill myself anymore but
45:03then um
45:05you know she said that information
45:08didn't really get across and so
45:12ultimately the deed was still done
45:15you know and the men ended up killing
45:17the parents instead of her
45:20so like information was just like okay
45:22that's like believable to a certain
45:24extent
45:26yeah but then i guess the police didn't
45:28really
45:29like because you know her plan her
45:32her plan ended up killing her parents so
45:35they
45:35ultimately still arrested her and so
45:39um they started go through all the texts
45:42between
45:43the four of them
45:47three intruders and the the boyfriend
45:49plus her so five of them sorry
45:51and they were all charged with
45:53first-degree murder
45:55because it's an attempted murder and
45:57conspiracy to commit murder
46:00yeah so all of them got
46:04first-degree first-degree murders on
46:06that on their charges
46:08and they're all sentenced jennifer is
46:09sentenced to life in prison
46:13yeah that's the story
46:18i can't believe it can look i think the
46:19worst part of this is that you know the
46:21mom was actually the one that
46:22that like ellie with her but the mom was
46:25one that ended up dying still yeah
46:29up to today he is still around but i i
46:32think it's a bit
46:33sad because like he i mean
46:36it's already sad as much as is he said
46:38that you know
46:39um when i lost my wife i lost my
46:41daughter
46:42at the same time because yeah well maybe
46:45you wouldn't don't don't
46:46order a hate on you i'm pretty sure you
46:47you just be like ah
46:49i don't want to claim her as my daughter
46:50anymore like hey
46:53and so he said he he felt like he didn't
46:55have a family anymore
46:57my still got a brother he doesn't have a
46:58brother but you know they are both
47:00emotionally scared from this like i'm
47:02pretty sure you cannot just
47:04just just lift this down like a normal
47:05person anymore
47:07so you know he said that i i feel i feel
47:10lucky to be alive some days but
47:12sometimes i feel dead too
47:14it's like my wife is gone i don't have a
47:16daughter anymore the daughter that i
47:18thought
47:18i loved so much no and
47:21and say now because of the injuries that
47:24he sustained he's unable to work
47:26he also suffers from anxiety attacks
47:28insomnia
47:29and when he sleeps at night he gets
47:31nightmares
47:35right yeah and so he said he's in
47:37constant pain and he gave up gardening
47:40and
47:40and working on his cars and listening to
47:43music
47:44and because all these activities just
47:46don't bring him joy anymore
47:49and i think it's sad that you can't even
47:51listen to music and feel joy like
47:54yeah that's so upsetting but the brother
47:57like them
47:58colleen there he imagined a brother like
48:00then the brother like oh everything like
48:02like like he didn't want somebody and
48:03he's just like
48:04her like i couldn't die already i like
48:06kind of thing you know like
48:07my parents died that injuries and sister
48:10also
48:11go to jail then she's like huh like why
48:13am i your
48:14head and then he would feel like i'm
48:16like like why am i with this family that
48:18happened
48:19yeah so um
48:22felix the brother actually um after
48:24graduating with
48:25an engineering degree i think from a
48:28university
48:30he moved he moved to the east coast to
48:34wait hold on he moved to the east coast
48:35to work at a private technological
48:37company
48:38and escaped you know the whole stigma of
48:40being a pan family member
48:42because this case was infamous it was
48:44talked about a lot
48:45so he was like i'd want to deal with the
48:47stress and i don't want to deal with
48:48everything
48:49so after all that he has still suffered
48:53from
48:53depression he has suffered from you know
48:56um he's very closed off he doesn't talk
49:00about it a lot
49:01and so he you know but but ultimately
49:05the the father is like hey you know
49:09i love my daughter and and you know
49:12he he's being a bigger person in which
49:15maybe i won't even be
49:17if i i was i was the parent he's like
49:19you know
49:20jen jennifer is now in prison and i hope
49:22she learns how to be a good person from
49:24there
49:26it's like even though she ordered hate
49:28on me
49:29no no but honestly it's kind of useful
49:31also i feel
49:32like like he's not that controlling
49:36of daughter then i don't think you'll
49:38end up this way though
49:39yeah oh yeah i think it's all born out
49:43there lah
49:44so at the same time no one's in the
49:46right but no one's in the wrong either
49:48because yeah what jennifer did was
49:50definitely very
49:52it's very extreme and also definitely
49:55very morally wrong but if you think
49:57about
49:57how much she's been through her whole
49:59life like imagine being controlled by
50:00your parents until you're
50:02young adult that like you're 25 and your
50:04parents are still doing
50:05checks on you on your phone like
50:09wow wow
50:12oh look so heavy yeah this is a heavy
50:16case to start off with oh
50:18yeah but i think it's also the fact that
50:21i think
50:22a lot of people argue with is it might
50:24not be the parenting style i think it
50:26could have been borne out that it's like
50:27you know this hatred for your parents
50:29that that kind of caused this whole
50:31thing um
50:33i've watched a video and and somebody
50:35had a opinion on it was saying it's like
50:37you know hey
50:38she's just cuckoo and she's mad and
50:40because like you know
50:41when when daniel said you know let's i'm
50:44gonna break it off with you i'm gonna
50:45follow christine
50:47she's like kayden don't hold her and hit
50:48all my parents like
50:50i don't want parents to die now so it
50:52looked as if she
50:54was doing things because she wanted to
50:57stay with danielle
50:58that she wanted to meet with him and
51:01because the only obstacle that was in
51:03the way was
51:04parents yeah but i feel like
51:10maybe maybe the parenting style could
51:12have led to this
51:14this whole thing of like being
51:17constantly cautious and being
51:20you know and and and when you have lost
51:23everything in life where you have
51:24thought to lost everything in life you
51:26know
51:26you you don't have phone you don't have
51:29access to the outside world you don't
51:30have
51:31the love of your life you know i think
51:33she went ballistic and she
51:35she just threw caution all caution just
51:37to the wind and she's just like hey i'm
51:39just gonna like kill my parents and
51:40kill everybody you know and i'm gonna
51:43live with daniel because like that's the
51:44only obstacle that's in my way like
51:45that's my parents like
51:47it was like go big or go home and she
51:49just had to go really really big and
51:50kill the people that gave her life
51:52you know amen yeah so
51:56so heavy so so what are your final
51:58thoughts about this case
52:02oh i think one thing can go first
52:07okay like honestly i feel that
52:11like i i think i can read like i can't
52:13understand like i feel like
52:15maybe it's like her parents parenting
52:17that led her to this
52:18like action but like uh i guess like
52:22she's also not dating like the good
52:24boyfriend
52:24i guess if he's if she's eating like a
52:26good boyfriend i don't think the
52:27boyfriend would like want her to lie
52:28also
52:29and maybe like he would like her like
52:31don't lie like maybe just like
52:33like i can go with you like stop my
52:34pants and everything i said i said the
52:36parents
52:36may be so straight about it i feel that
52:38she should try to like talk it
52:40out to the parents saying like i'm so
52:41stressed can you like let me oh my hell
52:43i think that breakout
52:45break down sorry break down and say like
52:47can you stop controlling me i really
52:49feel like telling the real feelings
52:51maybe it helps you know
52:52because i feel that that is not that bad
52:54thinking i'm like what he said
52:56just now like when he's injured and
52:57stuff so maybe he can still relate to
53:01like his daughter and then then maybe
53:03like they wouldn't die and then the
53:04doctor would go to like this
53:06like everything i feel uh so maybe like
53:08parking out will help
53:09i feel like asian parents like they also
53:12won't be like so
53:13i'm using that but i feel yeah yeah
53:16because at the end at the end of the day
53:18most of the things they do is
53:19for your future like for for us you know
53:22like
53:23kayla for especially for this case it
53:24was very very extreme but like
53:26what one thing said i think if if jen
53:29had bothered to
53:31you know talk it out and be a bit more
53:34rational about it i think things would
53:36have turned out a lot better but at the
53:37same time you can't really blame her
53:39because
53:40all these lies started from when she was
53:41very young right
53:43so i think at heart all this lying and
53:45all this
53:46running around and trying to escape
53:49it kept her like it kept her mental age
53:52like as a child that's why she didn't
53:53really
53:54think through rationally and that's why
53:56she's just been inspiring and did all
53:57that
53:58you know it's like oh it's very
54:00complicated
54:01there's so many sides to this story so
54:03it's you can't really say
54:06who's wrong and who's right because the
54:09father is right
54:10but the father is also wrong and jen is
54:12also to a certain extent right but she's
54:14also definitely very wrong
54:15for it and i also
54:18i picky the brother yeah i think the
54:22whole entire victim
54:23of this whole entire thing is the
54:25brother rather yeah actually the mom
54:27also the mom because the mom like
54:29kept her beat but then kind of died yeah
54:31yeah
54:32the mom was like the most sympathetic
54:34parent yeah because honestly like if i'm
54:36the jennifer
54:38i wouldn't kill my mom because like you
54:40tell me you know
54:41i'll keep my dad yeah thing and not like
54:43my dad
54:45i mean
54:46[Laughter]
54:50i'll kill the the one that treat me so
54:52badly and not the one that helped me
54:55yeah yeah i mean i i ultimately
54:58wouldn't kill my parents i would just
55:01move out
55:03like in in more western i mean i guess
55:07here we we don't exactly have the
55:09culture of moving out after we go to
55:11university after we find a job that kind
55:12of thing right it's like
55:13if you start the family then you move
55:14out yeah um
55:17in that culture almost in canada at
55:19least if they're trying to live
55:20the more western dream western life
55:24you know i i feel like she should have
55:27moved out when
55:29you know just say like hey all my
55:30friends are doing this it's the only
55:32reasonable thing
55:34let me move out and let me you know
55:37just just be with my just be my friends
55:40and
55:41let me start my life because that's the
55:42very western way of life especially if
55:44that's what they were pursuing
55:49anyway i think it's like you know um
55:54when you lie like honestly i think all
55:56of us have
55:57lied to our parents before right at a
56:00certain point
56:01because i mean i can't say for everybody
56:03uh
56:04every single parent child but you know
56:06for me my parents are super
56:07overprotective so they have
56:10like kept me at home a lot and not allow
56:13me to do a lot of things and
56:15basically i have to lie and say like hey
56:18you know i
56:19i'm home when i'm not and then because
56:22my parents are usually at work so i'll
56:24be like hey you know um
56:25no i didn't i didn't go out with this
56:27person
56:28no boy friend friend
56:31so like you know all these things like
56:33small little white lies
56:35that probably won't amount to anything
56:38but i guess
56:39that's what jennifer saw in her mind
56:42with
56:42the whole report card and everything
56:44yeah like hey you know these things are
56:46in the system but it's a white lie
56:48i i i i i it's a small thing
56:53and honestly if she actually like if
56:55like
56:56she continued because like um her
56:58parents didn't find out that she thinks
57:00like he's working so she went on so if i
57:02see the parents finally right i think
57:04then she may stop that like she may
57:06maybe like sell everything earlier and i
57:09think
57:09things will go like this yeah yeah
57:12and also like the reason why i think she
57:14never spoke up about like mental health
57:16and everything is
57:17back then it wasn't that big a thing
57:19additionally also it was like you know
57:21um
57:21this was like in 2010 so mental health
57:24wasn't really like a
57:25booming thing that was a topic of like
57:28interest or
57:29or discussion so additionally to that is
57:32like you know
57:33when you have such strict parents the
57:36only thing you can do is lie
57:37i feel like that sometimes that's the
57:40way that
57:41we live and yeah once you get used to
57:44lying you get like one thing yeah once
57:45you get used to lying you get away with
57:47it you just keep lying and lying
57:48and you think a bigger lie is just it's
57:51just a tiny bit bigger than the previous
57:53line
57:54i'll just keep lying and because the
57:56parents think of her as such a good
57:58child
57:58she just it just accumulated to
58:02that much of a consequence you know like
58:04a first degree murder charge where she
58:06put a hate
58:07out on her parents she paid for it and
58:10parents technically paid for it too so
58:14that was that was upsetting yeah that
58:17one
58:19it was like a whole new spin to
58:21helicopter parenting
58:22asian parenting yeah this is the parent
58:24thing you know
58:26yeah so this i feel like this story
58:29through
58:31um asian pairing and helicopter
58:33parenting into the diet
58:35like hey you know this is not okay
58:38but i think it's different cultures
58:41right because
58:42what we see jennifer like i think
58:46if jennifer was put into our society
58:48singaporean society i don't think it
58:50would be the same thing i don't think it
58:51would happen
58:52i think it was mainly because of the
58:53people that surrounded her had so much
58:55more freedom
58:56you know it's the western way of life
58:59it's somewhat like the american dream
59:01where you are more individ
59:03individualistic and you want to succeed
59:06by yourself and already something so
59:08like she was seeing all her peers
59:10having more freedom than her she was
59:12seeing her peers not having to do
59:15intense work just to please her parents
59:17please their parents
59:18and you know these kinds of things and
59:20their schedule wasn't hectic their
59:21schedule was so much free they get to
59:22hang out with each other they don't get
59:24watched by their parents every single
59:25hour every single minute
59:27and and i feel like that's what she
59:29wanted to break away from
59:31because of people who surrounded her but
59:34i feel like if she was in singaporean
59:35society yeah hell no
59:37she wouldn't even think i mean like
59:39first of all we don't even have guns
59:41so yeah so there's that and
59:44additionally everybody's put under
59:45similar stress yeah
59:48like copious amounts of stress
59:50definitely i mean in her case i think it
59:51was a copious amount stress like even
59:53for me it wouldn't be
59:54that case and even for singapore
59:57singaporean students right now
59:59i don't think the parents will go to the
1:00:00extent of
1:00:02lining up the activities too that much
1:00:04because yeah definitely education here
1:00:06is
1:00:06very important you know so you won't
1:00:08even have like figure skating or whatnot
1:00:11study so
1:00:14yeah i think it was there's so many
1:00:17elements to this story that
1:00:19i think formed jennifer's hatred rage
1:00:22anger
1:00:23and she began to just lose it all
1:00:27yeah she's like hey you know i'm gonna
1:00:29lose everything i might as well just
1:00:30lose everything
1:00:31and if i can gain a house and a car by
1:00:34killing my parents
1:00:37this weird fantastical murderous
1:00:41game of house inside a hit that she was
1:00:42playing played out and
1:00:44now she's in jail with the four other
1:00:47guys
1:00:48but honestly i feel it is in singapore i
1:00:50don't think it will happen like
1:00:52dude so extreme though like for example
1:00:54because we never gotten all like
1:00:56uh we have such like such uh cases also
1:00:59of course like let's say if like
1:01:00you're in the states or anything right
1:01:01you keep hearing like oh like turn on
1:01:03cutie's skills and then you'll feel like
1:01:04very influenced and you like
1:01:06like it builds out your hatred and you
1:01:07will like want to like your parents
1:01:09maybe but like
1:01:10in singapore we don't really have such
1:01:11cases like very less lonely hair but
1:01:13like super rare for kids to kill their
1:01:15parents so like you won't have the
1:01:17mindset to go and
1:01:18like go ahead before you want that kind
1:01:20of thing so i feel like
1:01:21it's more rare i think in singapore it's
1:01:23like more control and i think
1:01:26most people i know and see like they're
1:01:28quite like failure
1:01:29to their parents you know like they
1:01:32wouldn't think of like killing them
1:01:34no matter how bad they are right but
1:01:35they don't feel like my parents like
1:01:37deserve to die that kind of thing i feel
1:01:39yeah
1:01:41yeah because i think it's also the asian
1:01:43concept of where
1:01:45family and like familiar relations over
1:01:49everything else over self
1:01:50whereas the western culture is always
1:01:53itself
1:01:54is most important like i'll live for
1:01:56myself
1:01:57you know so
1:02:00there's that different way of thinking i
1:02:02guess her parents were still
1:02:03kind of like hey you know you got to
1:02:04build your career for yourself
1:02:06so that you know your future generations
1:02:09will be able to
1:02:10enjoy and read the the and read what you
1:02:13have sown
1:02:15so it tragically ended in
1:02:19the passing of her mother and the
1:02:23unemployment yeah the father and
1:02:27the depression of her brother so
1:02:30i mean it was a stupid decision made
1:02:34and it had very bad very big
1:02:38consequences that
1:02:39they do not think about but i was like
1:02:42how
1:02:42how if these men if these hitmen were
1:02:45like
1:02:46smart thinking from a murderer's point
1:02:48of view and like the points that the
1:02:50the the the police brought up you know
1:02:53like
1:02:53hey why was it not uh why do you not
1:02:56bring bags
1:02:57or you know bring a crowbar like why do
1:03:00you not think that lexus key like
1:03:02make it look like a crime scene you know
1:03:04it was already bound to fail
1:03:06because of poor planning yeah so like
1:03:12i don't know this i i think they were
1:03:14like stupid young adults that decided to
1:03:18think that the world is really their
1:03:20oyster and take it you know
1:03:23yeah it's a very weird murderous i would
1:03:26say it's weird but it's
1:03:27it's a very popular yeah it's stupid
1:03:30it's stupidity and it's fine
1:03:31you know it's just yeah wow
1:03:34like they thought they thought about the
1:03:36part where the parents die
1:03:38and then they get the inheritance but
1:03:40they didn't think about what if they
1:03:41found out i was the one
1:03:43cute yeah so it was kind of like um
1:03:47so yeah that is the end of our first
1:03:50episode
1:03:50which is the jennifer pan story so if
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