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0:00hi everyone thank you so much for being
0:04here today I'm not sure if unjustified
0:08it's gonna be here or not we talked
0:10about it and I might have been too late
0:13getting back to her about what time but
0:15I'm hoping at least sure can come in and
0:18hey you guys if anybody wants to jump in
0:23[Music]
0:25let me know I say I'm gonna put up the
0:28link if you want to jump in just go
0:31ahead and do it and today we're gonna
0:33talk about guess what the Chris Watts
0:36case the Watts family murders and I
0:39really want you guys to remember paste
0:41it here and then you guys can go go go
0:47um my internet I don't know if it's slow
0:50hi Amy
0:51hi Angelina hi bumblebee hello everybody
0:54thank you to my mods for being here with
0:57me tonight I really appreciate it um I
0:59see bumblebee here I don't know if I
1:01have anybody else on right now but if
1:04you're here thank you thank you I know
1:06prairie boy may or may not be here we'll
1:08see um but thanks for being here and
1:11again I'm hoping that unjustified will
1:14be able to jump in here shortly
1:16maybe not you know if she's busy and you
1:20know I dunno she said she was Tanya oh
1:24thank you are you talking about unreal
1:26or I'm not real justice no no we don't
1:28want him here no I'm kidding you can
1:30actually real just as I challenged you
1:32to take that link and pop on in but
1:36bumblebee thank you I'm assuming you
1:38mean that unjustified will be here I
1:40don't know if she does her program with
1:43with what's it called string there I I
1:46don't know why I am drawing a blank with
1:48my head I've had a migraine for like two
1:50days and it was actually a little bit
1:52better today but I'm still caught it so
1:55forgive me there's my beautiful share
2:00hair
2:01hopefully you can hear me I'm in the car
2:03driving home right now besides that you
2:06in my lap no problem I can hear you how
2:09are you doing good how are you I'm okay
2:12I'm pretty good you make you look
2:16beautiful I'm sorry I could see you
2:19really quick you look beautiful oh good
2:22oh wow thank you will you always look
2:23beautiful so I don't even have to see
2:25you to know that but thank you you're so
2:27sweet so yeah there's one thing I wanted
2:31to talk about today and I know that
2:34share you don't share my opinion
2:36Nesbitt armchair detective is going off
2:40the air for a while and I feel my heart
2:41is breaking I mean I love him he reminds
2:45me so much of my dad with you know the
2:46things he does and says and I always
2:49have a soft spot for older gentleman
2:51because you know ever since I lost my
2:52father about ten years ago and I feel
2:55really terrible that he felt kind of
2:58time go off the air or whatever reason
3:04myself had posted a little bit ago yeah
3:11yeah I if this was two weeks ago I would
3:15have been celebrating myself but you
3:17know I kind of started seeing things
3:19differently
3:20he's it and I'm glad I'm very glad about
3:22that
3:23so now you're saying man yeah I cannot
3:26feel proud about how everybody has gone
3:28about because not only did the goal of
3:31it was to stop him from talking about
3:34the Watts case I was down for that I
3:36didn't like or agree with how he was
3:38talking about Shannon Nicole and that
3:41okay so I was down for that now I'm on a
3:44rant so I'm just gonna finish saying why
3:45I'm saying sorry yeah we everybody
3:51actually I started sitting back and
3:54realizing that people were cutting much
3:56deeper than just wanting to it started
4:00with stop talking about the way the
4:02watts and then it was well maybe he can
4:05go about how he's talking about the
4:06watts differently so that turned into we
4:09got to get him off youtube and patreon
4:11all together now and it became a gang I
4:15just Alan that I actually couldn't be
4:18proud of myself no more for what I was
4:21doing and the deeper actions that people
4:24are taking like calling the IRS making
4:27court cases against Tim I said some
4:31pretty messed up things that I had no
4:33proof of myself with just what I I'm dug
4:35myself I have deleted some videos I kept
4:38the other ones I agree with up they've
4:40been reported but oh wow sure
4:44that's not what my goal ever was and I
4:47think that's wrong because we didn't
4:48just stop him from talking about the
4:50what he has now stopped from doing any
4:53business in the next six years any
4:56business that's deeper than the wats
4:58that's deeper than YouTube you know what
5:00I'm saying so I know it's wrong and I'm
5:04sorry I'm not come back words here it
5:07might find it a no if I disconnect I
5:09will call them you're doing fine you are
5:11you sound very clear to me still but
5:13yeah I know and I feel so bad because um
5:16I'm assuming he's just a pensioner you
5:18know an older gentleman who you know
5:21basically is on what would you be
5:22equivalent of social security here and
5:25the very little bit of money that he was
5:28making on YouTube and all that was
5:30probably allowing him to you know eat
5:34better and all kinds and I feel so bad
5:36it's not like he's taking all that money
5:39and going out to gamble I really
5:40believed he was you know it was
5:42supplementing his meager income and the
5:46fact that he's not able to do it anymore
5:49I don't know only last year but I mean I
5:51feel terrible I really feel terrible and
5:54I had never seen anything from a B that
5:57indicated that he was bad in any way and
5:59in fact he played poker to my death
6:01funny story my husband and I got married
6:04in Las Vegas you know 25 almost 26 years
6:07ago and because we lived in Southern
6:10California so it was like a two-hour
6:11drive and we thought all the relatives
6:13from around the world could come in to
6:16Vegas and stay there and they actually
6:18entertained themselves while we were
6:20doing rehearsal and whatever and we got
6:22we know we had a medium-size 55 people
6:24wedding in Vegas in a church a
6:26free-standing church well my dear my dad
6:30was involved in a giant blackjack
6:32tournament where the winner would get
6:35something like twenty five thousand or
6:38the two five and it was down to the wire
6:41between my father and one other guy well
6:44if my dad would have gone on he may have
6:47missed my wedding you know so I it was
6:50adorable I certainly wouldn't have
6:51blamed him for that but it came out the
6:53other guy one long story short but I'm
6:55just saying that I don't really
6:57here is Allen takes part in poker games
7:00and thing I mean that's a thing that
7:01older gentlemen do I don't see anything
7:03wrong with what he has ever done I don't
7:06agree with him with his theory but
7:08that's okay you know I don't agree with
7:10a lot of people I'm justified we and I
7:13have a different theory as well and you
7:16know I love her
7:19she's adorable hi Tania and Cher
7:24if people did not care for him they
7:26should not listen I agree there's too
7:28much it all he ever wanted was justice
7:30for Ocean and belen Celeste and baby
7:33Nico that's that's all he wanted and he
7:35saw things that I can't see but there
7:39were a lot of people other people see as
7:40well and I realized that Frank reset
7:43little Frankie I believe released a
7:46statement indicating that there are a
7:48lot of people who are gonna go down I
7:50understand their pain I feel terrible
7:53for the Rousseff family but you know
7:55this is another reason why I think that
7:57NK was not involved because they're
7:59begging people to stop talking about NK
8:03being involved about her involvement or
8:05not and I feel terrible because that you
8:09know that's all they want and they know
8:15or the true story they had documents of
8:18the discovery I'm sure that they know
8:20that this woman wasn't involved and so I
8:23can understand them asking people to
8:24stop saying that she was involved
8:26because they know that your story and
8:29that indicates to me that you know
8:31Nicole Kessinger was not involved in
8:33anything in any way but their pain is
8:36kind of flowing over and they're lashing
8:39out at the only people they can which
8:41would be the youtubers and the all the
8:44armchair detectives including myself and
8:46Cher and anyone who perpetuate the
8:50discussion especially when we're trying
8:53to involve another perpetrator when I
8:55fully believe that Chris Watts did the
8:57whole horrible thing himself and he is
9:00in prison we're right where he needs to
9:02be so anyway that's my rant again as I
9:06always rant
9:06I'm going to look at my shot here this
9:12is same one they tried show it I see a
9:17video yesterday real they tried they
9:20tried showing Shannon not coming home
9:24but I can't find it again interesting hi
9:26Sharon hi Katie by the way thank you for
9:30being so sweet to me Katie I'm I'm so
9:32happy that you like my books that that
9:34doesn't make it so proud I you know
9:37place is a tiny any kind word about me
9:40of my work I you know I get teary-eyed
9:43because that's you know that's a huge
9:45compliment thank you um let's see here
9:49ad we'll be back it's a government
9:52banned from being a company director for
9:54five years
9:55which I I don't know if that would
9:57include being an author though I don't
9:59know why
10:03hmm what is the woman told his migraines
10:06but I'm drawing a blank I feels as
10:08though I have Alzheimer's or something
10:09is it lady or Betty or oh gosh Letta
10:12maybe Letta um she removed him as her
10:16co-author so I don't know if he simply
10:19can't run a company or if he can't
10:21because if you were co-author you're
10:23certainly not running a company and
10:25you're just getting royalties from the
10:27sale of your book Letta is her name
10:30Letta does somebody know her name put it
10:32in chat so I I don't know her books are
10:38oh you talking about me here zone Evan
10:41Evan Etta okay thank you if you're
10:43talking about me Kenny thank you so much
10:45you're so sweet
10:47but now that Angelina think he knows her
10:49name I don't know what she writes I
10:51should probably you know look her up and
10:53you know I'm friends with thousands and
10:55then
10:57thousands of off author has a Facebook
11:00presence at all and but so anyway yeah I
11:03know I don't know and I hate it when
11:05things go that way um and you know I
11:08again I love Allen he resin in my dad I
11:11can't see anywhere anyway he could have
11:14done something so severe that um people
11:18would bully him why would you bully an
11:20old man you know I mean that's like
11:22bullying your father and he always came
11:25across as very kind and sweet but
11:28whatever you know and you know I feel I
11:30feel terrible
11:31no matter what and let's see her do you
11:35Paul Dunn met a new bound removed him
11:41because of him going to court for not
11:43doing his taxes oh do they go to court
11:47really for not doing taxes or is it a
11:49corporate thing maybe to go for you know
11:52not being being a corporate or elder
11:55Cher oh she's so sweet
11:57hi cher are you here I'm here gonna go
12:05in get some some barflies to get on to
12:12and tell us their opinion of the Watts
12:14case no I'm I'm kidding totally kidding
12:18[Applause]
12:21get drunk and tell us what you really
12:23said oh nobody wants that if he adds
12:28money the tax man the tax man what the
12:31tax man in UK will want it I know I know
12:34that's a shame again the heart is not
12:39our goddamn business not at all how many
12:44people are after him and how many of you
12:48guys want people like the IRS nosing
12:50around in your damn business - I don't
12:52know I had ready I mean I just don't
12:57understand and when I sat back and
12:58actually thought about it there it's
13:01just it's I cannot I can't handle it and
13:04I felt like a very mean girl any other I
13:07can't I don't understand
13:11old man oh my god all of a sudden I feel
13:13100 silos sorry I believe he's Petey's
13:17elderly about late sixties early 70s I
13:20don't know yeah yeah close to my mom's
13:24age I'd assume but whatever you know my
13:27dad passed away at 67 and again he
13:30reminds me so much of me things into
13:32humor and everything you know but it's
13:35just a shame you know I'll reach out and
13:40privately as well after it goes away but
13:43he really enjoyed doing it too he really
13:46had you know it was something for him to
13:48do and oh my god I'm not gonna try again
13:50on my own cell but yeah so I you know I
13:58would like to if any of you guys know
14:00him as well reach out to him I think
14:02with encouragement because um it's a
14:05shame it's a real shame
14:06but some how are things going with you
14:09share they're okay yeah I mean
14:13everything around me is still like
14:15closed up nothing yeah it's kind of
14:23boring doesn't it well my mother and I
14:26actually went to a restaurant
14:27another strange story she lives in
14:29central Illinois and it's a lot of the
14:31places are um very rural and the cities
14:34where there are restaurants and things
14:35like that one is stopped wearing their
14:38masks and they stopped and they actually
14:41allow people into an internal restaurant
14:44to eat because there were only something
14:47like 10 cases a kovin in one key and
14:54another one right in this little group
14:55of counties my mother lives in so that's
14:57kinda weird it's like that you know my
14:59mother and I are wearing our masks and
15:00they think that we're kind of nuts but
15:02I'm not ready to stop wearing my mask
15:05you know I haven't worn a mask not one
15:07single time are you kidding
15:11and I go right up into the grocery store
15:14all over a Walmart kids I do not wear a
15:18mask at all you are so brave oh my god
15:21okay Brittany's telling me
15:23in his fifties really um he's younger
15:26than me is he really I didn't know then
15:32Alan to accuse you of being older I just
15:35assumed a lot of people are grade
15:38prematurely I guess you know so that
15:40makes sense but still he's still he
15:41still reminds me of my daddy
15:42but um anyway but anybody out there who
15:54has any anything to say please bring out
15:56the topic so we can talk Stephanie says
15:59he's in his sixties I bet that's what I
16:01assumed at least but that's that I
16:03thought you I thought you was like mid
16:05sixties mid to late night at least was
16:13wrong it's still wrong and a lot of
16:15people said okay well when done on
16:16YouTube so am i but I still see those
16:19very same people still talking [ __ ]
16:23about him today
16:24I know I know and I know for everyone to
16:31become a gang and bully someone because
16:33then now what now they are not good
16:35thing they're going after dr. bewell I'm
16:37not gonna stand by a long session so
16:39this girl in dr. B she's an amazing lady
16:42and so is her sister sandy I mean such
16:45nice women they would I mean dr. B is
16:48emotional like me and it she would
16:53sooner you know die than be cruel to any
16:58human being and that's not what she's
17:00about and I've seen the same stuff about
17:02her as well you know actually all the
17:05youtubers anybody you know I've been on
17:08a bunch of different shows I had never
17:10encountered even one person who you know
17:13rubbed me the wrong way or who I thought
17:15was kind of a rude or mean or sinister
17:18person anywhere on YouTube and I know
17:22people like Miss min so we don't we
17:24certainly don't agree in our theories
17:26and I've never spoken to her directly so
17:28I don't know anything about her
17:33okay from that one that's for sure but I
17:35know they're planning attack on her as
17:37well I don't know but again it's the
17:42gang tactic where okay well Allen's gone
17:45so let's now go after everybody that had
17:48ever talked to Allen and that's not
17:50right like what the hell are we doing
17:52right why I mean I've been the victim of
17:56a bunch of bullies again with the Grey
17:58Gardens thing and I still don't know why
18:01I mean I was writing a book for a
18:03gentleman on the gentleman a man who was
18:07in the first grade Gardens movie and
18:10then all of a sudden a bunch of bullies
18:13jumped on me and attacked me and the
18:16terrible things they said about me
18:17terrible things and the guy you know
18:21dropped our project and he dropped
18:23everything and it turned out that he was
18:25the source of the bullying he was
18:27telling people horrendous lies about me
18:30that I mailed dead rats and the mail to
18:32him oh I forget what else oh did I steal
18:36children you know things were so awful
18:39it's our yeah go ahead
18:41yeah I remember you were telling me
18:43about that you're stealing children
18:45that's funny I do I steal children I do
18:48all kinds of fun stuff and you want to
18:51steal a couple of mine I would have
18:53loved them oh my gosh I would take
18:55children if I had permission I take as
18:59many as I can get but no so it can
19:02happen so quickly and these people were
19:04so awful that if you go and look at my
19:07book the goes to Grey Gardens which was
19:10a it's a beautiful biography of a lovely
19:12woman who might be the third booby a
19:15sister next to Jackie Onassis and Lee
19:20Reds well she might be their third
19:22sister half-sister at least and she's
19:26not turning 92 in July and the they
19:30leave reviews that are one-star reviews
19:33accusing me of all sorts of horrifying
19:35things because they were conditioned to
19:38do that and say that I'm an evil person
19:40but you know I am exactly who I am
19:43right here now I'd never hurt a fly you
19:45know I that's not me so I know it can
19:49happen very quickly and it is very
19:51contagious and so I've no idea that
19:56glowny right no I fell right into it on
20:01first definitely not proud about it no
20:05not at all not at all people who now
20:11don't support me I don't for a fact how
20:13they really feel and they're not ok with
20:16it but you think they will ever come
20:18forward and say that now that they've
20:19seen a full tox there's no way in hell
20:22and I don't I don't I know who everyone
20:25is that is agreeing with me under the
20:28table and that's right
20:30sure sure and they won't convert now
20:33sometimes if I make a mistake and I
20:35wrongly accused someone there's
20:36something I will I mean I know you would
20:39to totally apologize and feel like a
20:41real jerk forever basically I think that
20:46makes you a weak person it absolutely
20:48doesn't no no of course not
20:51it makes you be an honest caring person
20:54who actually likes people and don't want
20:56to get something wrong where it could
20:59actually hurt another human being and
21:01how awful is a lot of us have empathy
21:05right when do we call yes ok so I kept
21:11thinking about he helps pay for his
21:14grandchildren
21:15he hopes like he can't make his mortgage
21:18did we just make an old man possibly
21:20homeless
21:22like what nobody is understanding the
21:25Domino effects of the [ __ ] though
21:28everyone's had a hand in playing now
21:30I've only done it for a few months
21:31but everybody has been after this guy
21:33for 19 months 9 months oh my god I know
21:38and I even got threats the first time I
21:41was on his show I was I got a hundred
21:44different threats and people calling out
21:46how they found my phone number I don't
21:49know but um
21:51you know I go look I said I guess is
21:53blasted all over the Hamptons with my
21:55last book but detective in this genre of
22:01true crime right everybody wants to feel
22:03like they are great detectives and they
22:06can dig up dirt and that's what they do
22:07on people they're what what is it doc
22:11seeing I'll just [ __ ] say sorry I'm
22:13cussing on your channel the daxing a
22:16lingo is that how illegal assay shears
22:18addresses you know whatever anyone to me
22:23here are my turn will come to my door
22:25and say half the things that they've
22:27been saying about me because I will
22:29punch on your goddamn throat that's
22:31promised good oh I bet you would I'd
22:34invite them in for tea or to my face
22:38people I really did it right no I know
22:41and they've said things about me with
22:43this case as well mostly for my
22:46affiliation with dr. B and Alan and you
22:49know a couple other people who are very
22:51neither no not to me and you to Tonya
22:56they had no idea they were saying you
22:59reached out to me to get book deals and
23:01I should I should be careful Tonya
23:03little did anyone know I'm the one who's
23:06talked to you oh my god right you
23:12message and I responded but um yeah I
23:16know you know again people ask me do you
23:18make a lot of money on but you know
23:20you're no inclination but no no I don't
23:22know business whether you do or don't
23:25tell nobody but yours and your family's
23:28business but I mean I write is a hobby
23:31and this is the honest-to-god truth I'd
23:32write as a hobby
23:33we always take a loss on my income every
23:36single year and our accountant thinks
23:39I'm crazy why does she keep doing and if
23:42she's not making any profit whatsoever
23:44because you know it's what I do writing
23:47is what I have to do you know and
23:50especially this you know no inclination
23:52I had to write it for the victims I had
23:55to give them a voice and I think I did
23:58that you know well enough that at least
24:01my heart is comforted somewhat and I
24:03really
24:04to provide comfort for the families and
24:05if they were to only read it they'd know
24:08what I mean so whatever I write it's a
24:11hobby and I write when I compelled to
24:13write something and I had to I had to
24:16write about this case
24:17so whatever and no I have not made a
24:20profit at all and I promise I promise
24:25let's see real don't start real what are
24:30you starting real why don't you jump in
24:32here I'll put the link up again you
24:35don't have to hear your voice oh yeah
24:43you're lovely hey man would you like to
24:45try to join in - yeah call in or or or
24:52or hold on I don't know why I can't
24:56write oh there it is you know I don't
24:58have my glasses on right now I try every
25:01day before I go live I try to I try my
25:04glasses on and look at the screen and
25:06it's it's got no I don't want to print
25:12hold on face there we go
25:15Mia if you want to join in even voice
25:18only if you want there's the there's the
25:21link if anyone else wants to join in
25:24please do real come on in you can do it
25:27without us without your face shave today
25:31[Laughter]
25:36my mother's been telling me that I don't
25:38have enough makeup on you can't see my
25:40makeup and my job fair what not really a
25:47job was a good career fair you know
26:02Pauline whatever but literally
26:05mother's been telling me you can't see a
26:06drop of makeup so I kind of whatever
26:12whatever I am what I am
26:15hello hello hello I wonder are any of my
26:18great Gardens people here Oh Mia thank
26:20you oh you're so sweet and you look
26:23beautiful all the time oh my yeah
26:27oh isn't she gorgeous oh my god let's
26:30see him it doesn't want everyone to know
26:33he's a woman Megan J I have no I thought
26:36at the beginning that real justice was a
26:39woman there are certain phrases and all
26:41that that indicates she's a she's a
26:45woman but he says he's not so I really
26:50don't know I would love to hear his
26:51voice real if you are real even if
26:55you're not real right here and tell us
26:56that you're actually a woman know
26:59yourself real show yourself yeah you can
27:04always call Tonya cell phone again that
27:06work on want to make sure my phones
27:09carry us here I've got oh I've got 46%
27:13but that should get us to Adelaide yeah
27:18Colin and me if you can or take that
27:20link if you want to try to do the stream
27:21they are doing you know it's sort of
27:24complicated for people who don't do it
27:27every day so anybody want to make any
27:31comments here I know the doctor bee and
27:34her sister are out there right now
27:35getting our our discovery documents I'm
27:41hoping they'll be able to pick up some
27:42more that we don't actually have what
27:44you know I believe that Vanessa's would
27:47them as well from Chicago Colorado or
27:49unmasked there you're going together as
27:52a team out of sitting like this time of
27:53day they've gotten them already but I
27:55don't know I'll ask them later but I'm
27:58sure they'll post it in that pair of you
28:00watch their videos they're lion videos
28:02about going to get the stuff and
28:04checking out what landmarks in the in
28:07the watski yeah I've seen it I've been
28:11on video chats with them and stuff too
28:15awesome awesome
28:17Neary I'd like them to be able to enjoy
28:20the little bit of vacation that they
28:21have left instead of no doubt and all of
28:25that so oh hey Dave gee hi Dave thank
28:29you for accepting my friend request -
28:31Dave um I didn't realize we weren't
28:33friends they have them date okay thank
28:37you the girls have the documents and I'm
28:40sure that Natasha is going to stay up
28:42all night reading them one by one by one
28:45by one and I don't know if they got the
28:49CDs I won't imagine they would - so
28:52let's hope let's hope um so cover
28:55something awesome our girl
29:03Ryo is 100% man is he your husband oh my
29:06gosh
29:07is that her are you related to him you
29:12know not funny for you my true crime
29:20true seeker aren't you supposed to wait
29:22as I was supposed to be on the wife know
29:24I'm justified yeah yeah yeah she's
29:28adorable she has a cute little southern
29:30accent and I love her channel and I know
29:33that she thinks that NK was involved
29:35quite a bit more than I think she was
29:36involved but yeah again who cares what
29:39our theories are as long as we're not
29:41hurting anyone sorry Mia you're coming
29:49on right are you gonna call her either
29:54call me or click on the link and you
29:57know come on in either way is fine and
30:00we can have up to something like six
30:02guests so I told David to try it - yeah
30:05I love her accent - true-crime truth
30:08seeker she's adorable a nurse done let's
30:14get into party people what are you
30:16talking about I don't know what your
30:20facts are oh she's talking to someone
30:21else here again he's getting lippy I
30:24don't know do I know my boyfriend in
30:28here
30:29now I might nega's oh yeah make him get
30:34in here I know that Tracy's out there
30:37doing all she can to moderate Thank You
30:38Tracy I didn't notice you were here last
30:40time because I don't know why I'm just
30:42um I'm really an airhead especially when
30:45I'm doing alive because I you know I pay
30:48more attention
30:48I don't even pay attention to what I'm
30:50saying I don't know what I do Mia Ari
30:58are you being harassed I hope not I
31:02really hope not and by whom I yeah I
31:07hope it's
31:08I mean because who would harass you know
31:10I mean you'reyou're very very
31:13level-headed and you actually you know
31:17you have your opinions you're so open to
31:20everyone else's opinion I think just
31:22adorable I know I can't imagine who
31:25would what they would find to bully you
31:28about okay so is it I'm going through it
31:31right now to see because nobody is going
31:32to believe her when I'm I'm getting
31:37lippy yeah from what I can see you can
31:40be a little bit kinder to Mia please and
31:43yeah you will also if you're not gonna
31:45listen you will get blocked off this
31:47channel so there's no mods in here right
31:49now but I am going through right now and
31:51I would like you to be kinder to my
31:53yahoo like I agree and I think I think
31:56Tracy's here yeah she's here okay one
32:00lovely mod here so getting lippy yeah be
32:04kinder or you've got to go I'm sorry
32:06yeah especially to Mia come on guys if
32:09you dislike someone like me and then how
32:12do you have any friends at all she's so
32:16wonderful but then again you know I said
32:19that about Tammy and I believe it 100%
32:22but yet people were rude to her
32:25especially after in the last broadcast
32:27she did with me they continued to say
32:31horrible things in private and you know
32:34it's just more @ly adults I mean there
32:37might be some kids out there in junior
32:38high who are on
32:40channel I doubt it I doubt it um but
32:44anyway getting the lippy says I'm not
32:46being rude okay a lot of times in chat
32:48especially or an email or in texting
32:51what we say is so brief that it comes
32:55across incorrectly what is that noise
32:57that do you hear that my dog panting in
33:01the car that sounds like I don't know
33:06yes Mia does have more tolerance than
33:10anyone I know I agree she is very
33:13tolerant of everybody and everyone's
33:14opinions
33:15yes very rude to Tammy who cuz it wasn't
33:19me and Tanya no no is someone saying
33:23they're rude to Tammy no very rude to
33:27Tammy kelly fowler who was very rude to
33:30Timmy oh I think she because I mentioned
33:34people after the fact we read to Tana
33:36young private messages I think that's
33:38who the day is but yes Sarah and I would
33:43never be rude to anyone I mean that's
33:46not what I'm about I love everybody and
33:49I have real emotions for everyone it's
33:53nice to me and that I've made friends
33:56with and there'd be no way I would bully
33:59someone especially you no no no way
34:04I love the standing up to the bullies
34:07and so the tired of people coming after
34:08all my favorite youtubers thank you
34:11Amy's page I am too and they always find
34:16something wrong I know I mean I was on
34:19this tiny little Facebook book group
34:22there was something like under a hundred
34:24people belonging to the group and I
34:27mentioned that there was a short period
34:30of time for like yeah I think David and
34:33I and David Smith and I leave David
34:35alone we thought oh my gosh maybe
34:38Shannon could've killed the children
34:41because that's not unheard of it
34:42happened now all the time women do snap
34:45and kill the children and so I put up a
34:48big scenario in someone's group I don't
34:50know it was I think was August of last
34:52year while the book was under
34:54and I said is impossible have done this
34:57oh my god you know and then I crying
35:01right away on this tiny little Facebook
35:08group they came out of everywhere saying
35:11what a terrible person I was and I feel
35:15terrible
35:16all told that I did that to a man but I
35:19even thought for ones leading moment
35:21that it's possible this you and other
35:23children and I would let thinking
35:28literally chased me up that paper so
35:32horrible I mean it is absolutely
35:34horrible like like preschool right
35:37almost though you know it matter what
35:40you say or what you do if you have a
35:42public presence of any kind you're going
35:45to get bullied and I know it happens to
35:47all my author friends and it's a on
35:49happens to me and and again I think
35:52youtubers are much more accessible than
35:56anybody else involved in anything in the
36:00entertainment world you know that's my
36:02business is entertainment well they're
36:07going to attack us
36:08no matter what I don't know what share
36:10have you got that kind of reception your
36:12channel that they're alive
36:19well ever since I started I got bullied
36:22by one person I forgave them and then
36:26with me starting to change my mind and
36:30my the way I feel of everyone's actions
36:32I sure as has have been but I mean I
36:34have a sick skin with it I get anxiety
36:37from it but I I don't care I've been
36:39through so much more really bad things
36:43in my real life that nothing anyone can
36:46say on YouTube is gonna hurt me good
36:49good good for you and I try not read all
36:51comments and I try to respond the ugly
36:54comments because I I'm very sincere I am
36:57glad the hater I have no not I I I'm
37:02just not meaning to people guys so
37:04or they're reading the new files get
37:09pages from the discovery we've already
37:11had access to okay so they haven't
37:13gotten to any other news stuff let's
37:15cross our fingers and knock on wood
37:17there is new stuff but then again if
37:20there isn't any new stuff on everyone
37:23who contributed to the fund don't feel
37:25like as though you were taken advantage
37:28of because Natasha had no clue what was
37:30gonna be in there only knew that from
37:32the beginning so if there is no new
37:34material it's certainly not her fault
37:36and I'm so glad they did that
37:40bumblebee reel that's how any feels
37:44that's not called your sorry I'm not
37:46sure I get I'm missing a missing on chat
37:50here YouTube really needs to do
37:53something about it two people cannot
37:55think this is okay Thank You andis page
37:58I agree something that dr. B and I'm
38:05sure will have a partner too but we are
38:08actually going to be working on that to
38:10bring awareness about the harassment and
38:13bullying going on and it's actually the
38:16true crime genre oh it's everywhere it's
38:19everywhere
38:20so I mean it's in the thing the biker
38:25genre I'm you do is everybody's got it I
38:28think does it just a few notches worse
38:31than what I've seen in other genres but
38:34it's definitely something that is worth
38:37addressing and hopefully bringing some
38:40attention and awareness to it even to
38:42the YouTube people running it and and
38:47everybody because I'll tell you if I
38:48knew all of the behind the scenes before
38:51I had a channel I wouldn't Cannell right
38:54right no I agree and I went into this
38:57knowing about bullies because I had been
38:59so attacked with great burdens you know
39:02so terribly attacked and they could have
39:05ruined my reputation you know people who
39:08will ride and rats and the male are not
39:10exactly the kind of people you want to
39:12buy books from
39:14I think it was dog poop too and then a
39:17whole shipment of drugs whatever that
39:20means
39:22so yeah yeah and they a hundred percent
39:27believe this and bullies you know came
39:31up from that thinking that I'm some kind
39:32of psychopath who actually you know
39:36nails dead rat whatever whatever
39:39I'm sure do you think CW lies because he
39:43can't help himself or don't know what
39:45happened or maybe it's get PTSD what do
39:49you think share do you think he can't
39:50remember no I think is because he can I
39:55think he I find it being the only person
39:58that actually knows everything and the
40:01details and I think that he continues
40:03lying just because he can I think and we
40:07we all keep going around our names or
40:10his name is still on our tongues and I
40:13think he enjoys it from what I've read
40:15he enjoys his status in prison and I
40:21think he just lies because he can and he
40:23gets off on knowing being the only one
40:26that actually knows the truth great
40:29Patrol he's controlling his own lives
40:32he's controlling keeping the actual
40:35truth we're in real life he felt like
40:37his mom took control from him soon and
40:39took control from him so I think is his
40:41control that's true and I think that the
40:45lying you know and and people say well
40:47he lies why would you believe anything
40:49he says well the way I see it is that he
40:52lied to protect himself in the beginning
40:55you know he didn't want people to know
40:58first of all it was I I don't have no
41:00inclination whatever he said it was so
41:03grammatically incorrect he was saying
41:05that even no idea where they were and
41:08then it went to okay yeah well I killed
41:10my wife you know that kind of thing and
41:12those lines were told to keep him out of
41:14trouble and why do we think between the
41:18truth now because he's got nothing left
41:20to lose there's no reason to continue to
41:23live he's in if he's telling the truth
41:25no you know okay I don't
41:28cinq and I think he might give us little
41:31bits of twist of course think he will
41:35ever tell the truth and say oh wow I
41:40don't believe everybody knows that I
41:43work with people who in prison I worked
41:47with somebody and no longer do that
41:51change her life gave herself to God
41:53she's different and this and that well I
41:56know that it's for show hmm okay and I
42:01think the same for Chris Watts right
42:04it's for show it's to let people think
42:07it's the nurse assist in him it's to let
42:10us or some of us who are gonna fall for
42:12that believe he's a good man he's a
42:15Christian you know he's he's turned
42:18around now and we should just forget
42:19everything else you know it's just not
42:21how it works and it's all for show not
42:23only that you get taken you can have
42:27their special things when you join the
42:29church in a prison
42:30sometimes there's gatherings with some
42:32better food sometimes there's there's
42:34like little things like that that I
42:37don't think maybe like Outsiders like us
42:40would really realize before I've been
42:41asked a hundred times where well do you
42:43think they really gave their life to God
42:46or is it a tactic and it's very few that
42:50I find that actually do give their life
42:52to God in prison I need both of them my
42:55personal opinion is it's a tactic should
42:58get something more it's to get something
43:01more that they don't have right now it's
43:02how does it make them look because a
43:04person know great even the change of
43:07public opinion about them as a person
43:09that would be a good enough reason and I
43:11think that again I explained it in the
43:13book but how Chris is so emotionless and
43:20he understands the difference between
43:22good oh where you know God would
43:26represent the ultimate good and he has
43:29so few emotions you know you know run
43:32over the cat or slow down and let him
43:35pass you know they're both the same can
43:37kill your wife or gay divorce they're
43:40the same to him and
43:42if he feels tries to fill up his
43:45emptiness and his lack of emotion was
43:48something that is inherently good that
43:50is believed to be good for the last you
43:53know how 2,000 years which would be God
43:56in the Bible then why not have good take
43:59over he's completely empty so I think
44:02it's kind and he may very well believe
44:04that he has embraced that and you know
44:06everything about religion but I think
44:08he's trying to fill himself up with good
44:10because it doesn't make a difference
44:14he doesn't fundamentally understand the
44:19difference so that's kind of my opinion
44:26I could have explained that better but I
44:28think it's in the book a little bit
44:29better
44:32maybe I would have but she blocked me
44:35during a chat I'm not trying to cause
44:36problems can you put Stephanie Michele's
44:50last comment up that's what I texted you
44:53about Tonya about Chris Watson's first
44:55girlfriend
44:56um Stephanie if you can email myself or
45:00Tonya and show me where that cuz I did
45:02some googling and I couldn't find it
45:04my email is capital I and then it's I
45:07hear voices 19 at yahoo.com if you can
45:11find where you read that and send that
45:13so Tonya and I can see that it'd be
45:15great
45:15definitely yeah you were telling me okay
45:17his first girlfriend then yes first
45:20girlfriend died in a suspicious house
45:22fire I have a feeling that this wasn't
45:25the first time either he has hurt
45:28somebody severely over that house fire
45:30really got my brain going because like I
45:33had asked last week or actually just on
45:35Monday I feel like maybe he has at least
45:38killed like a cat or a dog or maybe you
45:43brought that up sir sure
45:45and I don't know because again they can
45:49live their entire lives without anyone
45:52ever knowing anything is wrong
45:54they may never act on their lack of
45:57emotion or their lack of empathy it may
46:00yeah they they might just live to a ripe
46:01old age with everyone thinking they're
46:03the good guy sure Tam is in in the chats
46:10she says it's a lie that Chris's first
46:13girlfriend died in a house fire so yeah
46:16I couldn't find anything about that
46:18either Tam if you know anything about it
46:22or you would want to say anything about
46:24that you sure can okay Tammy Newt and
46:28Alyssa the bullies good and I I don't do
46:31that because I always think they're
46:32gonna change and they're gonna see the
46:34you know the light of day and they're
46:35gonna behave but that's probably a good
46:37idea it's probably why you know I'm
46:39always susceptible to bullies because I
46:42don't do it my channel has my email in
46:50there as well so go ahead and send
46:51whatever you have on and I'll take a
46:53look at it
46:55it ain't Elijah oh no no no don't say
46:58shut up I love you Stephanie I love
47:00Tammy don't fight girls but again if we
47:05were all in the same room together none
47:07of us would have any issue with any of
47:08us because that you know it just happens
47:10over you know online because we're
47:13hidden behind our little computers but
47:16anyway mommy ramblings the beginning of
47:21the case did she mention that mommy
47:25ramblings okay I don't care for that
47:28channel but I will check it out yeah I
47:31love I love her channel and she's so
47:33real and again you know it's not an act
47:36I'm sure she's a really nice lady just
47:38kind of like the girl next door or
47:40whatever so yeah here please I love you
47:48all oh my even real justice whoever she
47:51is hi Katie
48:01again loved her live yesterday watched
48:05you last night
48:05I loved Tammy's lives I
48:08can't see him anymore but I would always
48:11like locked
48:12Tammy I'm black us we love you yeah I
48:16know it's so silly don't you know I mean
48:19I love everyone and especially Tammy
48:22because she's so awesome and her
48:25theories are so well thought out and so
48:27researched and we don't agree we never
48:31have so you know there's no reason no
48:34reason for us to not like each other
48:35hello Tanya Tara sorry I'm late on a
48:39vacay in Key West
48:41oh my good for you yeah so and I asked I
48:53don't know I I'm just hoping that
48:55Natasha gets something new you know that
48:57would be just the be-all-end-all to art
49:01our research any little new I know we're
49:04not releasing the phone records and I
49:06talked about this a little bit on my
49:07last but why do you think they're not
49:09releasing those phone records do you
49:14think that something is simple at or not
49:16simple kind of complicated that inkay
49:18implicated herself several times we're
49:21saying get rid of that family and you
49:23know we'll be together or you know
49:25something like that again that's how I
49:27did it in the book that may be her
49:28texting and her phone calls well they
49:30wouldn't know what content of phone
49:32calls was but some of her texts were so
49:35incriminating maybe incriminating stuff
49:41against Watson's mom and dad oh no
49:44really no like there is because there
49:47was something where they were trying to
49:50poison the girls they knew their about
49:52the nut allergy that the two girls had
49:55he kept trying to give them nuts and
49:58Shannon was like like texting her
50:00friends saying like well she put out the
50:03ice cream my kids can't have nuts they
50:05know about the allergies like there was
50:06something about some nut gate as it's
50:09been called mm-hmm so I'm wondering if
50:13maybe there wasn't maybe the mom and dad
50:15were talking with Chris and Mike well
50:17just get rid of her or you know how they
50:18would talk like well if you're not happy
50:20get rid of her or however like your CV I
50:22could say that right right so I don't
50:27know there could have been some
50:29incriminating things maybe they didn't
50:30want people going after Cindy and Ronny
50:32maybe they didn't want them going even
50:34farther after Nicole because it looks
50:37bad but there's an explanation obvious I
50:39mean sir no I know and and yeah the
50:42Watts family did nothing wrong they're
50:44trying to support their son and so what
50:46if they didn't get along with their
50:47daughter-in-law you know I've been
50:50blessed with wonderful in-laws but I
50:52know a lot of women who don't have
50:54wonderful in-laws and they're always
50:55bickering you know so I I just don't
50:58know but you're right someone else might
51:01have said oh boy get rid of that woman
51:03or so you know and it looks as though
51:05they're saying get rid of her as in
51:07killing her whereas they're just simply
51:10saying get a divorce get separated
51:12whatever you want to do Oh mine my
51:16mother mother
51:18I hope my mommy I think the
51:22troublemakers are just that as you know
51:25from your group in New York with your
51:27last book always will be haters thank
51:30you mom
51:31yeah my mother dealt with many nights of
51:34me calling her crying when the bullies
51:36were picking on me with the great
51:38gardens thing and it was pretty it was
51:40pretty low time in my life because if
51:42that hadn't happened to me since I was a
51:44little kid and you know even then it was
51:47nothing so the very surprising that
51:49people hated me so much that they
51:53actually went on a several of my books
51:55the same people and gave me one star
51:57reviews for books they didn't even read
52:00but yeah so thanks mom I'm very happy
52:03you actually are here um yes sure I
52:08agree with the Watts phone calls I think
52:10it was a setup to get ball rolling on a
52:12divorce but I don't think they ever
52:14thought of murder of course not of
52:16course right okay Angie and I mean - Oh
52:22Stephanie you're lovely no no why would
52:25you hide hairy boy I would no no I loved
52:29all the stuff you say and again people
52:32if you want to
52:34I took most of last week off because you
52:37know fun good family stuff with my
52:39daughter but I if you want the comment
52:43in the comments in the live chat or in
52:47the comments below the video please do
52:49comment I'll try not to be mean I mean
52:52if you could be mean to me this don't
52:53mean to any of my guests ever but if you
52:56comment and you're subscribed as well I
52:58am giving away another free book now
53:01next Friday
53:02not yeah next Friday I'm going to select
53:05the winner I think I didn't run away to
53:07already from here but in any case you
53:12can comment in the light you can comment
53:14in the actual comments and you must
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53:30to do that instead of doing creation
53:32because I know that a lot of you already
53:34have it which i but anyway
53:39but no Stephanie you're adorable and you
53:41know I love your comments you're so
53:43sweet I don't think anyone's mad at you
53:45at all no there's some issues in the
53:48chat wait I don't know I was trying to
53:49read the damn chat that's why I called
53:51the boyfriend and I think you couldn't
53:58see really the chai I didn't know who
54:00said what but you're not gonna go after
54:01me I goddamn it no no don't go after any
54:05part of me right yeah nobody nobody
54:09let's see here no no I think that if
54:12there was and the reason they're not
54:15gonna release the phone records is
54:16because there probably is falsely
54:19incriminating evidence in there which I
54:22checked out fully and they already
54:24cleared whoever it was who may attacks
54:27did something regarding getting rid of
54:30the family or getting rid of the wife or
54:32but I think that they know that the
54:34public would run with something like
54:36that and say AHA here's the evidence she
54:38said get rid of your wife you know so
54:40now that's what I think too because look
54:43how everyone acted
54:44was Nicole even I did at the beginning I
54:46said that [ __ ] is guilty right so I
54:49think a father and a son talking about a
54:53divorce of a controlling woman I think
54:56that could have looked bad and maybe for
54:58letting the parents kind of mourn
55:00because I'm sorry they lost their son -
55:02he's in prison they no longer have their
55:04son like they used to right so and the
55:07way a father and a grown man would talk
55:10about divorcing I mean I I don't even
55:13want to know like get rid of that [ __ ]
55:15or something like that I don't know so
55:18bad and maybe that's why they're keeping
55:22it under lock and key so that everybody
55:26doesn't go after Ronnie or Cindy
55:28possibly maybe the nut Gate thing really
55:30happened I don't know no I think I think
55:33the nut Gate thing happened the way
55:35Cindy described it was you know it was
55:38probably blown out of proportion but um
55:40you know if you're a mommy like Shannon
55:43you know any little thing that might
55:45threaten your babies you're gonna kind
55:47of go ballistic about it but I do
55:50believe she may have overreacted now
55:51Shannon was a lovely beautiful woman she
55:54was a great mom there's does nothing
55:56wrong in my eyes but I'm sure she liked
56:00me like I always used to when Ali was
56:02little she may have overreacted to a
56:04possible threat to her children which is
56:06fine no one's right no one's wrong I
56:08think Cindy's a lovely lady you know -
56:11and I certainly don't think she's ever
56:14tried to Bastion and other than regular
56:17in-law problems like everyone has so
56:20whatever but let's see
56:23Dave T C no his first girlfriend was a
56:27newly divorced older woman and chris
56:30said he was the rebound guy okay
56:34cheating on was at the lowest point of
56:37her life then n K and C W had talked her
56:42off oh okay in kcw had to talk her off
56:45the ledge all vulnerable women
56:48definitely that proves the narcissism
56:54rate so he's picking that's how they
56:57like
56:58women unfortunately that have like so
57:01she had her what is it lupus well she
57:04wasn't yeah so she's not really feeling
57:07the best voter self she's sick whatever
57:08and then Nicole had some issues too so I
57:11mean that is predator right there and
57:14definitely he's got a type and so that
57:17all aligns and his type would be
57:20vulnerable women because I think he is I
57:26think he's a covert narcissist and being
57:29a narcissist he'd need praise and how do
57:33you get praise with a woman by doing
57:35nice things for her by appearing to be
57:37very attentive and all that stuff the
57:43other day Drew Peterson and maybe even
57:46Scott Peterson I think Scott Peterson
57:48was kind of in the middle of Chris and
57:49drew but Drew Peterson was an over
57:52narcissist as we all know if we'd
57:54watched any of his interviews anywhere
57:57so he was exactly like Chris except his
58:01narcissism was over and on you know
58:03right there on the table for everyone to
58:05see him making some kind of big
58:07production or show out of everything so
58:10but yet they both ended up killing their
58:12wives because they're you know
58:15Psychopaths it I was also wrong where I
58:17said a sociopath is born that way I am
58:20so sorry a sociopath is actually it
58:23becomes a sociopath because of their
58:25upbringing because of something
58:27traumatic that happened to them or you
58:30know what have you now psychopath is
58:32born i believe chris watts is a
58:36psychopath then because i don't see
58:38anything in the watts family that would
58:40be traumatic or negative or maybe
58:43because look at jamie she's a wonder
58:44lovely woman very nice girl and she
58:47turned out great
58:48so they were raised in the same
58:49household i don't think there's anything
58:51in chris's past when triggered
58:54sociopathy or what's it called now what
58:57does it call now antisocial personality
58:59disorder i do believe he was born that
59:01way
59:01and i was wrong i got them backwards
59:04about that everyone but you think that -
59:07because if you were I mean we've all
59:09seen Shannon on YouTube and when you see
59:13Chris on there well for one I always
59:15thought Shannon had like a youtube
59:18persona I think she was more [ __ ] to
59:21Chris when she was live streaming I
59:24think she acted more sweet and kind on
59:29the streams I don't know it's just a
59:32sense I got but breaks yeah he all Chris
59:37always to me seemed like he wasn't
59:40thrilled with Shannon being on YouTube
59:43or being popular on YouTube I'll say he
59:46seemed annoyed every time he walked in
59:48the door like oh she's streaming again
59:50like I don't know y'all like jealous
59:53maybe of I think maybe not jealous is
59:56terrified that you have to be in the
59:58camera you know in the in the photo and
1:00:00in the video rather you know my husband
1:00:05yeah yeah that's sure huh
1:00:08and my husband you know I mean we're
1:00:10kind of the exact opposites he's
1:00:11definitely an introvert and I'm you know
1:00:14sort of not you know whatever so I think
1:00:17Chris was literally a covert narcissist
1:00:20where he covers it up and he appears to
1:00:23be an extreme introvert may very well be
1:00:26in real you know actually an introvert
1:00:28but you embarrassing him all the time by
1:00:31forcing him to come on to the scene
1:00:33especially when she told him about being
1:00:36pregnant what this it was at the fourth
1:00:39third was its third baby
1:00:42yeah whatever right right he did it when
1:00:45he first walked in the door and she was
1:00:47streaming he actually to me looked
1:00:49pissed
1:00:50he looked mad later when he was talking
1:00:53about the test kit or whatever you know
1:00:56he looked like he was not necessarily
1:00:59happy I'll just say that yeah not a
1:01:02happy camper but yeah I guess if she
1:01:05kept putting him on the damn live
1:01:07streams even if he's on the floor
1:01:09playing with the kids and you could just
1:01:10tell like that's not what he wanted so
1:01:11he probably had some like wheeze doesn't
1:01:13meant there oh I'm sure I'm
1:01:16but you know my husband he doesn't get
1:01:18upset when I do all my little YouTube
1:01:20stuff but you know it's kind of like I'm
1:01:23sure he wishes that I didn't he would
1:01:27never do it never I mean we had a a like
1:01:31a joint what's it called oh gosh what's
1:01:34the name of that why can't they remember
1:01:36whatever app you used to make a bunch of
1:01:38fun you call a bunch of people at the
1:01:39same time as Zoom Zoom call for mother's
1:01:42day for his mom cuz we haven't seen her
1:01:44in a while and you know we were all on
1:01:46the phone for like half an hour before
1:01:47Kelly jumps in to be on the phone with
1:01:49us I think it's a it's a man thing I
1:01:52know and a lot of me and our introverts
1:01:55and you know us women are not usually
1:01:58know that that's wrong too there are a
1:02:00bunch of introverted women I think that
1:02:02Chris had trouble with being front and
1:02:04center and actually being on her program
1:02:06that's Sarah what are you know whatever
1:02:08her lives were and that doesn't
1:02:12necessarily mean not right okay
1:02:19we put Mia's comment on there about her
1:02:22ex it's a covert she was Jose yes Mia my
1:02:26exes are even upset okay my daughter's
1:02:29father I haven't been with in many years
1:02:32hates that I am on YouTube hates it
1:02:35absolutely so it's just how I
1:02:38yeah I could definitely tell that Chris
1:02:40did not like Shannon being a public
1:02:44figure because she's her cuz I know
1:02:49let's see what what did me actually say
1:02:51here my ex is a comer and yes he was
1:02:54jealous of me and I never saw it come on
1:02:57me I'm so sorry um I don't know what
1:03:01happened there would your life but yeah
1:03:03I I'm so sorry you're lucky to have
1:03:06gotten out of there because yeah if he
1:03:10was a narcissist like that he may very
1:03:11well be a sociopath or a psychopath but
1:03:14I am so sorry and dr. B told me that you
1:03:18have to be a narcissist in order to be
1:03:21in order to have antisocial personality
1:03:24disorder which would be you know a
1:03:25sociopath or a psychopath he's depending
1:03:28on correct me if I'm wrong
1:03:29I think they're both fall under the
1:03:31label of antisocial personality disorder
1:03:33because they are such similar maladies
1:03:39Holden true-crime truth-seeker
1:03:43antisocial personality disorders tend to
1:03:46lie break laws act impulsively and lack
1:03:50regard for their own safety or the
1:03:51safety of others okay correct yes I do
1:03:53see that definitely yeah
1:03:59sorry Mia just said her ex found her on
1:04:03YouTube and you know yeah that's because
1:04:06I'm like make sure that you're protected
1:04:08and have any like kind of orders that
1:04:10you need to make sure that you're
1:04:12protected I'm kind of going through
1:04:13something with my daughter's father
1:04:14right now and there's trial coming up so
1:04:16it makes me nervous but Mia that's
1:04:19because the worst thing that we can do
1:04:23for people like that is to just not care
1:04:25and pretend like they're not there and
1:04:27just be successful you have to be the
1:04:31best self that you can be Mia and just
1:04:33keep doing your YouTube because you're
1:04:35successful with it right look at your
1:04:37channel so just keep it up and they're
1:04:40jealous of that they're jealous that you
1:04:42did not need that person in your life so
1:04:46just keep doing what you're doing so
1:04:48what he found you on YouTube let him
1:04:49watch right and stay safe in real life
1:04:54you know and never have to do on YouTube
1:04:57yeah I you see how angry he was at the
1:05:01officer standing when his back
1:05:03yep sliding glass door yes I know I know
1:05:08but he stayed in that nice guy character
1:05:11you couldn't even catch him giving
1:05:13Nicole a consent a bunch of side I you
1:05:15know kind of staring at her with this
1:05:18you know it looks could kill type of
1:05:20thing where he could you know shot her
1:05:22down with his eyeballs v if he could
1:05:24because she ruined the whole thing was
1:05:27she ruined whatever he had planned to
1:05:28come back to the house that day at 3:00
1:05:30or whatever and take care of and then he
1:05:33might have called the police himself
1:05:34saying oh she's nowhere you know after
1:05:37he figured out her phone password and
1:05:38pretended like she had been texting or
1:05:40something all day long I don't know but
1:05:43and how about that guys do you think
1:05:45that he had planned to go back and cover
1:05:47up the crime scene yes even more I think
1:05:51yeah yeah I think honestly I still
1:05:55believe that he was planning on blowing
1:05:57it up right right that's possible that
1:06:02is possible and you know I don't know
1:06:04who it was but someone one of the
1:06:07youtubers who I don't agree with again
1:06:09that's fine I don't have to agree with
1:06:10everyone she said something like he did
1:06:13not even this is didn't even bring the
1:06:16bodies to this to the oil site that
1:06:18someone else brought them there okay
1:06:21what do you think of it does anyone
1:06:23believe that theory I don't know that's
1:06:25kind of off-the-wall but I don't know
1:06:27who would bring you know two little
1:06:29girls and their mommy who's pregnant for
1:06:32Chris to the oil site for him to barrier
1:06:37for them to bury or whatever hey I was
1:06:40helping with that I can't see that but
1:06:42one thing I did wonder I'm wondering if
1:06:46that was like a last resort plan I think
1:06:49maybe if everyone believes Chris had
1:06:51some kind of how maybe things happened
1:06:54sooner than Chris like I almost wonder
1:06:56now didn't Shannon question why Chris's
1:07:00cellphone the picture on his cell phone
1:07:04changed from a picture of Shannon and
1:07:06the girls - it was pictures of the sand
1:07:08dunes that he was out with with Nicole
1:07:10right when he did we can okay sure yeah
1:07:17so I heard Shannon seeing he had changed
1:07:19his picture on his phone to the sand
1:07:22dunes and that she was texting her
1:07:25friends like what weird now his picture
1:07:27is sand pillows I almost wonder like do
1:07:30you think they were planning on possibly
1:07:32taking a trip out there to hide the
1:07:35bodies oh there yeah Wow
1:07:40and I know that I don't know if he saw
1:07:44Natasha where she keeps up that it's
1:07:47more like sand at the at the oil site
1:07:51it's not really like dirt I thought it
1:07:54was hard packed up you know that light
1:07:56clay like dirt that you get but it's
1:08:00more like sand so that sort of gives you
1:08:03the idea that he could have dug that
1:08:05hold that morning even though I still
1:08:07believe he did it a couple of days
1:08:09earlier I think he you know premeditated
1:08:12it by at least a few days and I'll even
1:08:15want to say a month because who knows
1:08:17the date on that letter he wrote to his
1:08:19parents that said if anything happens to
1:08:21me blame my wife that was just so creepy
1:08:24and why wouldn't his parents come
1:08:26forward to say you contact the police at
1:08:30that time and say oh my god I'm afraid
1:08:32for my son's life I mean I wouldn't you
1:08:36guys talked about that letter I want to
1:08:38say was it dated in June or was it July
1:08:40when he was actually out there in North
1:08:41Carolina ten years today but every night
1:08:51on the phone until he went to work he
1:08:54said he wanted me to need him I thought
1:08:57he oh I'm so sorry Mia I thought they'd
1:08:59play as Mia
1:09:00they make us think their best goddamn
1:09:03friend okay yeah luckily I've been
1:09:06married for it'll be 26 years in July
1:09:10believe it or not um I was of course you
1:09:13know five years old when I got married
1:09:18but so you know I had some jerkish
1:09:21boyfriends definitely I had some creeps
1:09:24that I dated and I think we've talked
1:09:26about that briefly but and so I kind of
1:09:30know where you're coming from but
1:09:31luckily I've been blessed with a
1:09:32wonderful husband and Donna you I
1:09:35believe you hi Ann how are you I believe
1:09:38you helped see I still don't see that I
1:09:41really don't and it's not like they were
1:09:44you know dignitaries or someone of
1:09:46getting important other than being to
1:09:48see a beautiful a beautiful little
1:09:50family I don't know who's going to be
1:09:52compelled to actually participate the
1:09:56only person I could think because he is
1:09:59not nobody is going to prison for five
1:10:02life sentences and know you're never
1:10:05walking out of that prison
1:10:07I'll live you're going on my damn body
1:10:09bag for sure so do you think he loved
1:10:13Nicole enough to want to do that when
1:10:14they only had hung out for a summer no
1:10:18no I would like to know why she googled
1:10:25Shannon earlier you know you can't
1:10:28really explain that one away I've tried
1:10:30so many times and it actually has me
1:10:33very curious too I don't know why
1:10:35because that that doesn't look good I
1:10:38have to be careful you know what I say
1:10:40right now but look really good for her
1:10:47and I'm hoping that one day things will
1:10:50settle down hopefully that's one good
1:10:53thing of Alan not incriminating her
1:10:55right now it's the only thing I can
1:10:57think of that would be good of a
1:10:58situation so maybe things will die down
1:11:01on incriminating Nicole and maybe she
1:11:04will feel comfortable to come out and
1:11:06talk but I I know she's not going to
1:11:08come out and talk when everyone is
1:11:10incriminating her and putting out
1:11:12petitions to have her arrested and all
1:11:14of that
1:11:15why would she come out and talk now and
1:11:17also what's the point everyone already
1:11:19has their mind made up they're gonna
1:11:20call her a liar right no matter what she
1:11:23says she's gonna be a liar if she passed
1:11:26a lie-detector test
1:11:28you always say well some people can pass
1:11:30a lie-detector crisis she's a psycho she
1:11:32passed it so there's really nothing that
1:11:34she can say or do that will change the
1:11:37mind of half the people that think she's
1:11:39involved correct and that's a shame what
1:11:41good point she can take to come out and
1:11:44profit off of it exactly yeah you can
1:11:48never live a normal life but let's see
1:11:52her
1:11:52Pamela Stephens Amy W I'm sure a lot of
1:11:56people enjoyed watching the video but
1:11:58again is that the kids choice I don't
1:12:00know what we're talking about he's been
1:12:03saying that the children should not have
1:12:05been basically put on YouTube so Shannon
1:12:09was profiting profiting off of her
1:12:13streams like everybody and she had her
1:12:16kids on there all the time users like
1:12:19believe what
1:12:20that lady was saying kind of like like
1:12:24okay so will useful house for example
1:12:27the children so like the what Michelle
1:12:30whatever her name is the two girls that
1:12:31were twins I made the part you think I
1:12:33have twins without heart because
1:12:35children are only allowed to work so
1:12:37much I think that's what at that point
1:12:39that that person is getting at is ok
1:12:41shenana profiting off of having her kids
1:12:44and maybe chris's parents maybe even
1:12:47Chris had a problem with her kids being
1:12:49on social media like that I've put my
1:12:53kids on very little social media but I I
1:12:56bet maybe there was a problem maybe with
1:12:59Chris's parents didn't like it maybe
1:13:01Chris didn't like it and now knowing
1:13:02YouTube maybe there was some more [ __ ]
1:13:06behind the scenes going on that didn't
1:13:10really help that situation either oh
1:13:12maybe you know I don't know maybe and
1:13:19weird [ __ ] did you know she did a few
1:13:22videos and had the children but for the
1:13:25most part they were just sitting and
1:13:27talking and then the kids were in there
1:13:29occasionally sure but yeah I I really
1:13:33don't know and when my daughter was
1:13:35little their social media wasn't exactly
1:13:38what it is now yeah there was like
1:13:39MySpace and stuff it was kind of nothing
1:13:43so thank you
1:13:46I miss you Jake Oh take me I don't know
1:13:51yes she she she did Shannon tell him to
1:13:59murder her daughter no girl I love you
1:14:04no no I I don't do we answer this one
1:14:09right yeah we already answered that one
1:14:12we can hold that Shannon did not murder
1:14:15the kids because it was when that woman
1:14:18detective brought up that movie right so
1:14:20did she kill the kids and then Chris
1:14:23right away was like oh yes she strangled
1:14:24the kids so we can like get that out of
1:14:27our systems right now that Shannon did
1:14:30not harm those children oh of course not
1:14:34not that see this is why I thought for
1:14:38one brief moment in time that it's
1:14:41possible because there are a lot of
1:14:43women who do that what I would know or
1:14:47if anyone wants to do it out but I'll do
1:14:50it I am gonna look back she wore a lot
1:14:52of like tank tops and stuff I'm curious
1:14:55do you think Chris was ever there he
1:14:57just snapped and killed his family one
1:14:59day or do you think that he was abusive
1:15:01on the low maybe like grabbing her arm
1:15:05or things like that I think emotionally
1:15:10sure wouldn't speak to her and he
1:15:14wouldn't answer her questions when she
1:15:16was worried about their relationship but
1:15:19I don't think that he was physically
1:15:22abusive primarily because I think
1:15:24Shannon would say goodbye you know you
1:15:27grabbed my elbow you're out of here I
1:15:29really think she was strong enough to
1:15:31come back with something that would put
1:15:34him in his place or even remove him from
1:15:37their home I don't think she'd take even
1:15:39one time of him grabbing her wrist or
1:15:42whatever I don't think she would she's
1:15:44never gonna Blade II you know she's not
1:15:46the kind of woman who would put up with
1:15:48something like that in my opinion and
1:15:50Kay was either you know I don't think so
1:15:53I know yeah I know one woman at least
1:15:57two on has lived in that sort of an
1:16:00abusive marriage for a few years and you
1:16:06know she doesn't have that kind of
1:16:07personality he would not leave him you
1:16:11know at the drop of a hat gosh I would
1:16:13be out I would be so out of there you
1:16:15know the first time he revealed to me
1:16:16that he had any kind of a personality
1:16:19that could be dangerous to myself or to
1:16:21my children that's it
1:16:23and I think she man would done the same
1:16:24thing I I think yeah when you have kids
1:16:28and she really was trying to make her
1:16:30marriage work she knew it was kind of
1:16:32over if she still was really working on
1:16:34it so I I mean I guess I don't know now
1:16:36Mia has a question what did Cody mean
1:16:38when
1:16:39he said to Tammy Lee that Colorado is
1:16:41known for sick yeah you know hmm I I
1:16:46don't know what he meant by the sex
1:16:48trafficking in Colorado because they're
1:16:51the children were dead right so unless
1:16:54we're gonna believe the theory that it
1:16:56was all staged and Shannon and the girls
1:16:59are actors and all of that I don't think
1:17:03that would really matter like I guess I
1:17:04don't know I'm not sure whoa
1:17:07maybe there's a lot more we don't know
1:17:09and I'm just gonna address JD really
1:17:11quick yeah you are hurt JD but I have to
1:17:15be true to myself and I think you know
1:17:18that that's why you're still here
1:17:19supporting but I still love you and
1:17:21support your decision okay that's that
1:17:25what um can you did she put out publicly
1:17:30what's going on or no it's just a
1:17:33personal okay let's stay out of it I
1:17:36ain't no there's a question that I
1:17:37missed or something like that I'm sorry
1:17:41yeah she man used Facebook and not
1:17:45YouTube I thought and what's different
1:17:48with you sharing your young children's
1:17:51pics on Facebook that's true you know I
1:17:53agree with that I don't think she I
1:17:55personally don't think she over shared
1:17:57anything um I don't know I I mean I was
1:18:01so proud of my little girl that if the
1:18:04social media existed this way that it is
1:18:07now when she was little I probably would
1:18:10have had videos with my kid in it too on
1:18:11you know on YouTube or Facebook or
1:18:14whatever um but then again you know at
1:18:20that point where of how bullies can be
1:18:23and how stalkers can be at that point in
1:18:26my life if I hadn't written a book yet
1:18:28and I don't would have been aware of the
1:18:31dangers as much as I should have been
1:18:33and I think Shannon has never really
1:18:35been in the public eye and this is kind
1:18:37of the first time that she was with
1:18:39doing her videos and selling her thyroid
1:18:43publicly so I think she probably thought
1:18:45nothing of it you know I I I don't know
1:18:48I really don't know I don't think she
1:18:49did anything wrong with those kids not
1:18:51at all
1:18:53we're backwards down the stairs when he
1:18:56allegedly dragged Shin why it's dumb hmm
1:19:04who says she even was murdered upstairs
1:19:08though me I mean I could see it in the
1:19:13bathroom like the scenario was she was
1:19:15washing her face if there was really
1:19:17make up funny I've been put in a
1:19:20situation like that they'd be very easy
1:19:22to happen but and still I'm sorry but a
1:19:26hundred and forty pounds is not that
1:19:28that big it's not I'm a hundred and
1:19:30twenty 20 more pounds I still feel like
1:19:33heavy light and my son good stuff I sent
1:19:35you that picture Tanya my twelve girls
1:19:37for you picking me up and lifting me so
1:19:40I believe that it could have happened
1:19:44with just Chris I don't see and then two
1:19:46toddlers I'm sorry that's simple it's
1:19:49not only that it was his kids it's
1:19:51easier to see he was he used to carrying
1:19:53them right
1:19:55and I don't know again - Chris Watts was
1:20:04bodybuilding to prepare for that also
1:20:07why is he in scrubs
1:20:09what was he do you remember seeing the
1:20:11YouTube videos of Chris where he's like
1:20:14wearing it looks like he's like a doctor
1:20:17or something I don't know he's wearing
1:20:18like some kind of outfit for something
1:20:22but he was talking about like some
1:20:25relationship expert crap or something
1:20:29what was he doing was that he had on
1:20:31like regular I mean he was kind of a
1:20:33chubby guy at that point II on regular
1:20:35clothes what was he doing then what was
1:20:39he was trying to school people on how to
1:20:42be in a relationship and how he was
1:20:44around it was a goal project I don't
1:20:47know you guys know that he went to some
1:20:49sort of school in a dish or maybe it was
1:20:52for the you know he was giving a talk he
1:20:55was giving right he was doing the
1:20:57PowerPoint presentation either somewhere
1:21:01or possibly in his own living room and
1:21:03it was all about like
1:21:04knowing when to just leave the
1:21:06relationship and hey I mean it right
1:21:10there Chris I shouldn't be laughing but
1:21:12I mean no I know but we have to have a
1:21:15little bit of you know lightweight humor
1:21:17here really does this don't talk to me
1:21:20like that I'm not even kidding I'll
1:21:22block you myself oh you can talk to me
1:21:27like that I'm used to it no he's not
1:21:30gonna talk to anybody like that whether
1:21:36or not she would tolerate or not
1:21:40tolerate enemies that you know what that
1:21:42is correct
1:21:43I can't I base a lot of my opinions on
1:21:47you know how I would behave or how I
1:21:50would act in it it seemed this notion
1:21:52and was a really tough cookie that she
1:21:54wouldn't can you even can you see her
1:21:57putting up with someone physically
1:21:58hurting her the children you know on a
1:22:00daily basis a weekly basis whatever I
1:22:03think she was so strong and then at that
1:22:08point in her life I don't think she was
1:22:09earlier and I think you know she
1:22:11actually hid behind a mask of someone
1:22:14who was very outgoing and very
1:22:16self-assured however I think that she at
1:22:19this point in her life with her two
1:22:21little girls she wouldn't have put up
1:22:23with it that's my opinion of course it's
1:22:25my opinion but if you guys don't think
1:22:27so then you know then maybe I'm wrong
1:22:30God knows I'm wrong quite a bit real
1:22:34justice needs a timeout I'm not kidding
1:22:37or I will hang up the call real time you
1:22:43can say your point and you can have your
1:22:46sarcasm and be your little [ __ ]
1:22:48attitude I love it but don't there's no
1:22:50reason to talk to us like that I'm
1:22:51serious I had clean amount of timeout
1:22:54real perfect good good boy you guys
1:22:59thankful yeah yeah I don't think bad
1:23:03words to my friends I mean you guys are
1:23:05all my friends I don't want anyone to be
1:23:07mean to anyone but cher is a lovely lady
1:23:10and she doesn't need that
1:23:12bumblebee thank you yes she's what
1:23:15you're one of my mods but Glen it well I
1:23:17don't know
1:23:18automatically expire after a little
1:23:20while but it's I mean and if they want
1:23:25to keep it up then yes you will get
1:23:27black for a little while sorry we made
1:23:30the rules and we have to follow through
1:23:31with them for everybody
1:23:33I agree and don't be rude to anyone
1:23:36anybody but everybody here is so nice so
1:23:39far even real justice I don't know why
1:23:42he said bad words but Tanya sure did you
1:23:46see the yellow evidence markers one at
1:23:49the banister was number 28 no I didn't
1:23:55see it the evidence markers inside the
1:23:57home I wonder what sort of evidence it
1:24:00was that they found there and one thing
1:24:04that I always thought was if he did in
1:24:06fact drag her down the staircase I had
1:24:08exactly the same carpet that they had in
1:24:12my last house we had bought it from Home
1:24:15Depot and it's sort of like a yellowish
1:24:17beige and you've got little flecks of
1:24:19dark brown and medium brown all
1:24:21throughout it and it's actually a shag
1:24:24carpeting what we used to know is shag
1:24:26when we were little kids and if you drag
1:24:29something like that you know anything
1:24:31down the stairs there would have been
1:24:34like a line like a straight line or
1:24:37whatever where her feet had it was
1:24:40smushed down the carpet and exactly that
1:24:42way unless I don't know if he'd take the
1:24:44time to go through and you know fluff up
1:24:47each stair again but that's something
1:24:49that didn't show and when the police and
1:24:52and the other folks entered the house
1:24:55with him on the thirty good night hon
1:25:02sorry to interrupt good night Gianna
1:25:05good night Deanna and whoever else is
1:25:09leaving us now I know I talked to too
1:25:12much and I'm so sorry but I'm justify
1:25:15couldn't be here but I'm so grateful for
1:25:17you being here to share I think we got
1:25:20our signals crossed maybe maybe not hold
1:25:23on Oh Davis sending me something thank
1:25:26you I'll take a look at it when we move
1:25:28me in tear I appreciate that
1:25:29let's see indeed
1:25:31love you - jump in - oh there we go okay
1:25:35there is a marker there what is that
1:25:37evidence murder Wow oh yeah and why
1:25:42would a dog not alert over there yeah
1:25:45and I don't know does anyone know - no
1:25:49do I have any dog handlers out there at
1:25:51all maybe I could try I think I've been
1:25:55I've been talking about trying to find a
1:25:57dog handler for some time Thank You Mia
1:26:01this is very interesting you're so sweet
1:26:03and again you're welcome to jump in here
1:26:05just give me a phone call and I'll put
1:26:08you in here
1:26:08you know through audio but um I really
1:26:11would like to know hold on
1:26:20the person who asked me why does share
1:26:22take over my channel she doesn't you
1:26:25know and she's my friend and I love
1:26:28talking nor especially about this case
1:26:30and I talked I wondered percent more
1:26:34than share does believe me if you watch
1:26:36any of my shows I talked and talked and
1:26:39talked and talked and talked and my poor
1:26:41guest can barely get a word in edgewise
1:26:43I'm sorry about that but I'm gonna and I
1:26:46are friends and when she asks me to be
1:26:49there I am absolutely there and we also
1:26:51just start chatting as if we are on the
1:26:53phone that's what friends do exactly and
1:26:56and share actually stepped up tonight
1:26:59she was out doing your personal business
1:27:02and I said please come on I you know I
1:27:04don't have a I don't have a guest
1:27:06tonight because I think I'm just if I
1:27:07can't do it and this was literally last
1:27:10minute and what did she do she dropped
1:27:13whatever she was doing to literally call
1:27:15in to my channel or be on my channel
1:27:17tonight
1:27:17I appreciate share and every way to the
1:27:20girlfriend and I love her and she
1:27:22doesn't take over anything I take over
1:27:24everyone you guys really not see this
1:27:31here Tanya no love to hear you thank you
1:27:35to the both of you ton yin share for
1:27:37this light oh you're so sweet
1:27:38Amy thank you air oh my gosh cadaver dog
1:27:45is not admissible in court like well
1:27:47thank you Stephanie really they're not
1:27:50admissible
1:27:51even as circumstantial evidence and
1:27:54that's news to me I thank you I didn't
1:27:56know that I know that would Casey
1:27:58Anthony case that the cadaver dogs
1:28:01actually hit right there on her car
1:28:04obviously she had poor baby Caylee in
1:28:06there deceased
1:28:08I always wonder why that what's part of
1:28:11the evidence that the jury just picked
1:28:13up on and ran with because it they
1:28:16definitely hit on her car so now you're
1:28:19saying they can't use it in court
1:28:21interesting thank you for letting me
1:28:23straight on that what I would like to
1:28:26know is if a cadaver dog would actually
1:28:30pick up the scent of a dead person if it
1:28:33was only like five ten minutes later
1:28:35does anyone know that I would hope she
1:28:39didn't to tolerate death you see yes I
1:28:42agree women are good at hiding things
1:28:45image perfect family business either way
1:28:49only guess that is true thank you ever
1:28:53so Sophie I agree I agree and you're
1:29:00right this Shannon could have been an
1:29:02actress when it came to the strength of
1:29:05her relationship or even the safety of
1:29:07her relationship she could have
1:29:09completely been concealing that so that
1:29:11her image in general didn't look like
1:29:13anything she didn't want it to look like
1:29:15including a battered woman that is
1:29:17possible absolutely matter what I was
1:29:20thinking earlier when talking about if
1:29:23maybe he abused her even if it was just
1:29:27mental abuse I mean that is the worst
1:29:30I personally dealing with all kinds of
1:29:33abuse I a lot of people will say this
1:29:36too I'd rather be slapped around than
1:29:39have the mental abuse that actually
1:29:41hurts a lot more and it takes over your
1:29:43life a lot more to sir yeah you're right
1:29:47because with the with the physical abuse
1:29:50it's over and done with the mental or
1:29:52emotional abuse it stays with you
1:29:55forever
1:29:56yo it really can take ahold of your
1:29:59psyche and and change you oh yeah
1:30:03definitely forever I mean PTSD and
1:30:05everything else
1:30:06Amy W mere you're a beautiful smart lady
1:30:09going to check out your life you had
1:30:11yesterday I didn't catch it I wasn't
1:30:13feeling well how nice Amy she yeah if
1:30:16anyone wants to hop over to Mia's
1:30:18channel or shares channel or I even put
1:30:21the link to unjustified in the
1:30:23description below
1:30:25but because these are these ladies who
1:30:28are doing a bang-up job and again I
1:30:30don't agree with every theory that they
1:30:32all have but that's okay and that's why
1:30:34we're friends and we're still here and
1:30:36you know whatever because how boring you
1:30:41guys with discussions be the same way
1:30:45how boring is them great um definitely
1:30:52if we all thought exactly the same thing
1:30:54what will we talk about
1:30:55hey although I'm sure you and I could
1:30:57talk about something right lifter while
1:31:02man is living most likely not after her
1:31:06death not what the out of struggle
1:31:08really I don't I don't know if she had
1:31:11just if he had just killed her she would
1:31:14be still very flexible as rigor doesn't
1:31:17set in for a few few hours um but you
1:31:22know I don't know I really don't know
1:31:23and yeah I've carried my my sleepy child
1:31:26before and I've seen her boyfriend carry
1:31:31her before when she's asleep but I don't
1:31:34know you know Ali's probably about that
1:31:36size she's a little shorter than me but
1:31:39see I don't know I I don't know
1:31:41does anyone know would it be difficult
1:31:44more difficult to carry someone who has
1:31:46just been killed
1:31:47then it wouldn't carry someone who's
1:31:49sleeping I don't know don't know don't
1:31:55you I don't I don't know either I've
1:31:59been carried to bed before when I've
1:32:00been sleeping but I don't know how heavy
1:32:04I am I don't know I got no right doing
1:32:07it but Chris Watts was
1:32:09shape at the time of the murders he was
1:32:11working out so I think you could have I
1:32:16think he worded it very much yes he did
1:32:19that I think he did that all along
1:32:21planning what he was going to do and I
1:32:24didn't even think about that until just
1:32:26today when you brought that up but what
1:32:29if he was getting in shape so that he
1:32:31could do this absolutely you had to
1:32:33climb up the oil things get them in the
1:32:34oil things you had to dig a grave
1:32:38somewhat of a grave which was a pretty
1:32:40shitty one if you ask me he didn't yeah
1:32:42right he would have had to be very
1:32:46active especially if he was planning on
1:32:47going back and wiring everything up how
1:32:49he did he to blow it up or whatever I
1:32:53think well we all know he premeditated
1:32:56this but how long don't want it yeah I
1:33:00absolutely think that he started working
1:33:04out and bulking up his arms and
1:33:06everything in knowing what what he was
1:33:09gonna have to do right mm-hmm
1:33:11Wow and I'm wondering okay real justice
1:33:17here back off a timeout
1:33:18welcome back be good carrying a wrap
1:33:21body downstairs walking backwards would
1:33:23be super hard you're right it would burn
1:33:26and then again I know I said you know a
1:33:30black lab before the one I have now who
1:33:32he lost the use of his hind legs when he
1:33:35when he was you know before he passed
1:33:37away and we would have to carry his hind
1:33:40end down the stairs and there were so
1:33:42many times where I almost tripped you
1:33:44know and so carrying you know someone
1:33:48was actually helping you with their
1:33:49front paws was difficult enough and I
1:33:52you know I would trip or whatever
1:33:53I can't imagine carrying a body you know
1:33:57that was what's his probably 50 pounds
1:33:59lighter than him down the stairs so
1:34:02logically I guess he would put her down
1:34:05and then drag her I don't know and I you
1:34:11know lol meanwhile I'm just sitting here
1:34:13clacking my balls teeth banging the
1:34:16floor with my cane
1:34:17hissing about the good old days I just
1:34:20wound up my phonograph and I'm gonna
1:34:23listen to tunes oh that's adorable
1:34:27somehow I think you're not you're not
1:34:30that old Schuyler
1:34:34let's see did he have a bite mark on his
1:34:38neck
1:34:39did he no was the one he um Chris Watts
1:34:43had a bite mark on his neck who just
1:34:46said that I missed it
1:34:47Stephon BB I'll come back to you let me
1:34:49look for that remark here no Chris had a
1:34:53bite mark on his neck is that true I
1:34:56need to go and look at that I don't
1:34:58think I thought it was a very little
1:34:59scratch oh thank you real justice and
1:35:03you know see what a timeout does this we
1:35:06can all be adult like I said I love your
1:35:08little [ __ ] personality and the
1:35:10sarcasm I'm all for it but we don't need
1:35:12to be telling adults telling each other
1:35:13to shut up I appreciate that you're real
1:35:15just so you know that's such a nice
1:35:16thing to apologize it's all we have to
1:35:18do he's kind of like my little brother
1:35:22so it reminds me of my little brother
1:35:25um let's see here the reason why I did
1:35:29wait okay here we go
1:35:30the reason why deadweight is one typical
1:35:32is because the center of weight is not
1:35:34distributed evenly okay I get that um
1:35:40but then again if he did drag her down
1:35:43the stairs then there was no mark like I
1:35:50said I I'm very very familiar with the
1:35:52carpeting and it leaves an indent if you
1:35:54sit on the floor and like leave an
1:35:56indent of your knees or whatever and um
1:35:59so he would have to fluff up those
1:36:02stairs so it didn't look like he dragged
1:36:03something down and I guess I don't know
1:36:06um let's see yeah imma be this I'll come
1:36:12back to your comment again um so three
1:36:14sets of dogs took two 28 25 Sarah took
1:36:19the trail no pic Tavor in the truck
1:36:20either
1:36:21well County footage shows nothing that
1:36:24Chris loaded I know
1:36:26hmm it's Union I mean I wish you could
1:36:29see that video better
1:36:31I mean you know Nate security camera
1:36:34video gosh I wish we could see it better
1:36:37but I don't know to me it looks as
1:36:40though he's dragging initially he drags
1:36:42out something that's very heavy and he
1:36:46I'm freezing I don't know why pictures
1:36:48freezing I look like an idiot but he
1:36:51pulls out something heavy initially and
1:36:53then after that it looks like the loads
1:36:55carrying are much lighter whatever they
1:36:58might be so I I don't know I wish we
1:37:02could have I would even you know
1:37:04something knows how to manipulate video
1:37:06to make it more clear come forward
1:37:10message me or something because I would
1:37:12love to clear up that horrible video and
1:37:16you know Alan Olli said that that would
1:37:18be like photoshopping and he didn't want
1:37:20that kind of thing to be done and I
1:37:22understand that I I don't mind if you
1:37:24guys know how to clean up stuff and make
1:37:26it sharper will you put Stephanie
1:37:31Michelle's last comment up what's it say
1:37:35Chris said invite mark that one or a
1:37:37different one no um it's very lush so
1:37:40the newer one her last time he thinks he
1:37:45took the kids out back Sunday night and
1:37:47put the babies in the tank before
1:37:48Shannon got home and that that could be
1:37:53however didn't we see him loading the
1:37:56truck it looked like one little girl ran
1:37:58out and he picked her up right so on
1:38:01Hoss dates on the camera or off which
1:38:04I'm guessing is very possible she could
1:38:07be sure when I never thought about that
1:38:10that's Danny to me kicked out back
1:38:13Sunday night and put the bill gosh how
1:38:16awful
1:38:17what could be why she couldn't when she
1:38:20said send me a picture of the kids
1:38:22sleeping he couldn't come up with one
1:38:24now see I always thought he may have
1:38:27smothered them prior to that phone call
1:38:29with with Shannon and they weren't I
1:38:32mean I think ceci was gone but I don't
1:38:35think Bella was and I think that he felt
1:38:36that if he took a picture you know
1:38:38number one going back in the room I had
1:38:40been creeped
1:38:42yeah I know really quick I'm just gonna
1:38:45say something JD if you think I'm that
1:38:47kind of person
1:38:48I don't believe you ever would have
1:38:49given me your address and I you know you
1:38:51can personally privately message and say
1:38:55to me what you want to that's fine I
1:38:58still love you and I'm not sure I don't
1:39:02think I've ever ever given you any
1:39:04reason to think that I would give your
1:39:06address out if you honestly think I'm
1:39:08that type of person
1:39:09don't address me ever again because I
1:39:12think you know better than that and
1:39:14that's all I'm gonna say I still love
1:39:16you I'm still glad you're around would
1:39:18love to see you come on the lives but
1:39:21don't worry about me if I was going to
1:39:23do anything like that it wouldn't be to
1:39:25you who still been kind to me so you
1:39:28have nothing to worry about
1:39:29please no Cheryl you wouldn't do that JD
1:39:33I'm so sorry if you feel worried about
1:39:35anything she's wonderful she's not going
1:39:38to anything like that and um you know it
1:39:41seems as though everybody has my address
1:39:42I know what's right for my heart and to
1:39:48make me feel good about every day and
1:39:52unfortunately that meant me not being a
1:39:55part of team Phoenix anymore but that
1:39:57wasn't my choice that doesn't mean that
1:39:59I'm gonna run around and give out
1:40:01people's personal information I stopped
1:40:03doing that and have pulled back on doing
1:40:06that even to Alan why would I go around
1:40:08and do it to someone I called a sister
1:40:10just come on I'm done with that no I I
1:40:14still love team Phoenix so you know I
1:40:17know we don't have anything I just told
1:40:21you I know at a party me anything I'm
1:40:25even knowing that you liked Alan when I
1:40:28had a huge issue degree was anything
1:40:31Alan did but did I ever once tell you
1:40:33never don't have no
1:40:36never never no you're very respectful
1:40:38and you don't actually go into any
1:40:41reasons why you dislike a person at
1:40:43least to me in a private way right the
1:40:46only thing I really know is when you put
1:40:48it up publicly on your on your YouTube
1:40:50channel and then I would still not even
1:40:52talk to you about it much because I
1:40:54think that everybody is entitled to
1:40:57their opinion everybody gets into
1:40:58arguments you know it just happens and
1:41:01he's good nobody's bad we're just human
1:41:04beings and I you know like I said
1:41:06everybody's got my address so yeah I
1:41:10wouldn't do that to you and your family
1:41:12you know that so no and my last chunk of
1:41:18bullies actually put out an aerial
1:41:21photograph of my house
1:41:23yeah what the hell is wrong with people
1:41:25that's that is what I am talking about
1:41:28you guys what the hell are we actually
1:41:31doing that is crazy that's so crazy that
1:41:36people are sending I was getting
1:41:38screenshots of Allens sent to me while
1:41:40he was out having like the things I had
1:41:42without even asking okay that's the
1:41:45scariest part that if I was to start
1:41:47asking for things I probably could have
1:41:49gotten him pictures of him taking a crap
1:41:52for God's sakes like I mean what are we
1:41:55actually doing yeah nobody I mean
1:41:58nobody's out to be cruel to anybody else
1:42:02they are because when I start when I
1:42:05look back it was use the whole Allen
1:42:08thing it's not obviously it's not just
1:42:10about stopping him from talking about
1:42:13one case they cut a lot deeper then it
1:42:16was to get him off YouTube okay cool
1:42:19whatever but then to actually make it so
1:42:23this man cannot run any business for the
1:42:26next six years like what are we actually
1:42:30doing whose awful yeah yeah that's none
1:42:34of our business
1:42:34and oh well he has failed nine companies
1:42:37before I don't care in our reality 12
1:42:40damn years ago I was a single mom with
1:42:43no child support and I sold drugs okay
1:42:46so do you guys all have apparently
1:42:49me off at YouTube you can have fun
1:42:50trying I will keep popping back up but
1:42:52I'm just saying who are we to judge
1:42:54somebody right now I am private middle
1:42:57Blair life or the problems they're
1:43:01having if he was helping pay for a
1:43:04grandchild something like what did we
1:43:08all do what what should we be proud of
1:43:11that was accomplished with this what no
1:43:14nothing I don't know how people can live
1:43:16with themselves thinking that this poor
1:43:19gentleman may not be able to make ends
1:43:21meet or whatever now right I don't
1:43:25understand it I really don't and um you
1:43:29know I don't know what happened with you
1:43:30and team Phoenix but there I love their
1:43:32channel I love Chris you know I think
1:43:33they're wonderful but that's a man team
1:43:36Phoenix and I will say it exactly how I
1:43:39see it is I forgave somebody that they
1:43:44all protected me from that's true they
1:43:48protected me from a bully
1:43:50last November December good when they
1:43:53were trying to take me down when I just
1:43:55had like 70 subscribers at the time in
1:43:57December and they went after they
1:44:01started taxing me putting all my
1:44:02personal information arrest records and
1:44:04all that okay teams really rallied
1:44:07behind me in the members supported me
1:44:10they had my back I then chose to forgive
1:44:13this person which doesn't make their
1:44:15channel look good
1:44:17so to them okay I'm a traitor is how
1:44:22they will see it and that's not what
1:44:24they said but to tell me to part ways
1:44:27and then block me that's what happened I
1:44:30won't talk [ __ ] about any single one
1:44:33person in there but what happened was I
1:44:36support or well yeah now I am supporting
1:44:40someone I chose to forgive somebody for
1:44:42my own my own self my own heart my earn
1:44:47my hating someone and being aggressive
1:44:52with someone takes a lot of energy out
1:44:54of everybody I would think but I had
1:44:57exactly and I can't deal with that
1:45:00I hate two people in my life one of them
1:45:02is
1:45:02the person who gave birth to me the
1:45:04other one is somebody I had two children
1:45:06with that takes a lot of energy to
1:45:09actually hate somebody so much that I
1:45:12just do that and everyone can call me a
1:45:16turncoat a snake say I'm that loyal I'm
1:45:19fine with that but I had to be loyal to
1:45:22my own self and my feelings and I just I
1:45:24couldn't start so I'm so sorry we just
1:45:29had the part where all I'll say we had
1:45:32to part ways because other people this
1:45:35person has hurt other people but I was
1:45:39even told if they I'll just say it
1:45:42everyone knows it's BAM okay if BAM did
1:45:45go and apologize I even asked some of
1:45:48the people bam would love to apologize
1:45:50and just wave the white flag
1:45:51you do your thing we do ours like leave
1:45:54it alone but nobody will accept that
1:45:56because well she hurt too many people
1:45:58okay well I've been in very bad
1:46:02relationships because I I forgive so
1:46:05easily you know what I'm saying that's
1:46:06just me that's normal I'm in real life
1:46:10friends with people that not all my
1:46:12friends are friends with each other but
1:46:14never would they tell me that I've been
1:46:18like that all my life I've been friends
1:46:20with every single click in high school
1:46:23the jocks the skaters the Goths out like
1:46:28the cheerleaders I mean it's just how I
1:46:31am from her life I couldn't be hate
1:46:33someone fake on YouTube I have to be
1:46:37myself and if that pisses people off why
1:46:39people are and they support that well
1:46:41that's great - when my dad don't stay it
1:46:45when I was a little something like I
1:46:47can't I can't see sorry daddy but I can
1:46:50push them all off really good or
1:46:52whatever it is I bet you can't and you
1:46:59can't please everyone but I think it's
1:47:01very any it's unfortunate that you guys
1:47:06parted ways you know cuz I love you guys
1:47:08both you know so I I don't want to um
1:47:10well I don't know I'm so sorry there's
1:47:13any kind of no but you wouldn't do I'm
1:47:14just like
1:47:15I told you I'm not a part of team
1:47:16Phoenix but you do your thing I haven't
1:47:18said anything to you I haven't said
1:47:20anything to you about any one person in
1:47:22team Phoenix and I don't
1:47:23so tells me how people think I would do
1:47:26that it's because I followed what
1:47:32everyone was doing to Ellen so now
1:47:34they're all concerned I'm going to do
1:47:35that to them - do you see how messed up
1:47:37that is you guys oh no no I know you
1:47:43wouldn't do that I know you would
1:47:46yeah I'm sure it was easy to fall into
1:47:50the hate Allen group or whatever because
1:47:54everyone has been very very very cruel
1:47:57to him and I'm sure it's difficult for
1:47:58other people to not see through you know
1:48:00who he really is a night I guess I just
1:48:02um I see who he really is and I think
1:48:05he's a great guy you know but something
1:48:07most people don't think that and it's
1:48:08just so shocking to me I don't know but
1:48:10I'm sorry you're having trouble with
1:48:12team Phoenix I liked you guys I'm not
1:48:14having trouble
1:48:15I am completely leaving the other night
1:48:17they're letting me look that's fine
1:48:19they're commenting that season on my on
1:48:22my videos and that's fine sure makes me
1:48:26feel better I guess let's get back here
1:48:31share I think he took the kids out back
1:48:35Saturday night and put the babies in the
1:48:36we already read that didn't I'm sorry I
1:48:38know and you know that's a very good one
1:48:41mm-hmm you know I don't know I I don't
1:48:44know because I think I think he couldn't
1:48:47take the photograph of them because he
1:48:49was scared but they would look different
1:48:51I can't find this one and get rid of it
1:48:53on the screen because he was afraid they
1:48:56would look different look like they were
1:48:57not simply sleeping because here why
1:49:00would you not just take a picture of the
1:49:02kids you know laying there in the red I
1:49:03can't find it oh my gosh that's okay and
1:49:06we're gonna wrap this pretty shortly
1:49:07we've been on for about two hours but
1:49:10you guys I really here we go what is
1:49:12this from Cher
1:49:13I keep hearing your words and that keeps
1:49:15me going every time oh that's sweet oh
1:49:18my gosh that is I mean I love you so
1:49:21much and she wonderful you girls are
1:49:24both wonderful if I had no one to think
1:49:28out the murder
1:49:29would not be a bad thing to do
1:49:30especially since they knew about Nate's
1:49:33camera so you would just want to keep
1:49:35the attention there while the action in
1:49:39the back okay that's true that's
1:49:42possible
1:49:43yeah but why not do it at different
1:49:45times I mean why not unload the kid 4:30
1:49:49in the morning eh out the back door and
1:49:51have chrisley but if I did not act so
1:49:53suspiciously by pulling up the truck
1:49:56into the garage which he never did and
1:49:59by taking half an hour to load whatever
1:50:01into it which he no apparently never did
1:50:03I don't know I I just don't I have a
1:50:07hard time thinking that it was anything
1:50:08other than what it looks like the whole
1:50:10crime but yeah that's just me let's see
1:50:17here well I think I'm gonna go back and
1:50:20read the chat afterwards share did you
1:50:23have anything you want thank you so much
1:50:24for being here tonight and I'm hoping
1:50:28I'll get unjustified in here with us
1:50:30next time
1:50:33oh yeah go ahead okay honey why do you
1:50:36think they went back to in a to see what
1:50:39they consumed at the airport and supper
1:50:43do you think they found other contents
1:50:45and she answered maybe yeah I don't know
1:50:47maybe maybe maybe and that she was
1:50:51constipated am I correct when you're
1:50:56pregnant though that's that's a very
1:50:57normal side effect when you're pregnant
1:51:00it happened but I wonder if they you're
1:51:06right they probably would have figured
1:51:07that she was pregnant so any unusual or
1:51:09excess contents in there would be the
1:51:12result of her being pregnant um I don't
1:51:15know I don't know if they found anything
1:51:16else in there or not but that's kind of
1:51:18interesting but mmm there's so many
1:51:25things we don't know the answer to it no
1:51:26maybe again Natasha will bring home
1:51:29everything we're looking for answers to
1:51:31and we'll find out I'm hoping she'll
1:51:33post something about it tomorrow but
1:51:35thank you
1:51:36and Thank You Mia and thank you
1:51:39everybody's in the chat and I love you
1:51:40all and even if you guys are
1:51:42you occasionally you're still awesome
1:51:44remember to comment and to subscribe bye
1:51:47guys love ya hi guys I love you all
1:51:50thank you again and have a good weekend
1:51:53and I don't know if I'm gonna broadcast
1:51:55at all this weekend but I might so I'll
1:51:58let y'all know thank you so much bye bye
1:52:00[Music]

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