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0:01hey guys thank you for being here sorry
0:03i um
0:04have something that feels like a tree
0:06log stick
0:07i know it's not mascara because i wear
0:09mascara every day but
0:11i literally kiss a hair of some sort i
0:12can't find it so i'm running late trying
0:14to do the eye drops and whatever
0:16um anyway i'm waiting on cher to be here
0:19thank you all for tuning in again today
0:21after you all tuned in yesterday with
0:23paula
0:23and um i would highly suggest
0:26emailing her if you guys can to see what
0:30she charges for a reading because it's
0:32very much worth it as you saw
0:35yesterday she knew all about my cousin
0:38which was really creepy um but it's
0:40wonderful at the same time so
0:42find her email address below and contact
0:45her that way
0:46my face is also like so blotchy and
0:49ready i got a little bit of a tan
0:51and it looks weird there's chair so i
0:53apologize for what i look like um
0:55there she is beautiful
1:00oh you thank you i can't see you but i
1:02know you're beautiful
1:05there you are beautiful friend of mine
1:08how you been
1:09good how are you it's been a little
1:11while good good good
1:13i was telling everybody i've got
1:14something stuck in my left eye so i
1:16might actually have to pause my camera
1:17and run
1:18to get some um more eye drops i ran out
1:21of the ones that keep in my makeup bags
1:24um it's so something that annoying when
1:26you get something in your eye and you
1:27can't find if it's
1:28something you can just pull it out with
1:29a tissue but i can't find it
1:32so whatever it's probably even allergy
1:34eyes i don't know i'm a mess
1:36so i've always got something in my eyes
1:39i'm constantly flipping my eyes
1:41it's awful i don't even wear contacts
1:43you know um
1:45but whatever you know i'm old um so
1:48anyway
1:48thank you thank you for being here that
1:50is so cool um
1:52we i wasn't on last week you know it was
1:54my anniversary week and my husband took
1:55the entire week off and
1:57um thank you everybody for coming back
1:59even though i took a week off i really
2:00appreciate that
2:02um oh hi russ that's really nice that
2:05you're here
2:06nice to see you let's see here we go
2:11okay yeah dave g
2:14cute dimples hi we're glad you're here
2:16oh what a sweetie
2:18um dr b hi is she here
2:22oh i love dr b and you can read the chat
2:26too um i know that paula couldn't do it
2:28from whatever
2:29device she was using yesterday and that
2:31happens to a lot of people love my
2:32guests i don't know why
2:33um but um yeah you can uh
2:37read the chat too so i won't be so
2:39desperate to read all of them if you
2:41don't mark can you not see it share
2:43no i can if i so it's just my picture
2:46right now i can read the chat when i'm
2:47like that
2:48okay okay good yeah and i thank you
2:51hello hello everyone
2:54[Music]
2:55foxy lady cute dimples i read that one
2:59already
2:59um oh everyone good to see y'all oh
3:03that's you cher
3:08it is and i again i started late because
3:10my my eye is burning
3:13um so whatever anyway what do we want we
3:16wanted to talk about the watts case and
3:17some
3:18interesting points you brought up about
3:21how he said some bizarre statements or
3:23whatever
3:24yeah so why don't you talk about tell me
3:28about that again
3:29well okay thanks a lot dave g you've
3:32made me dive
3:33into this even more it's all your fault
3:37it's all his fault he was posting on on
3:40facebook
3:41and then so i'm like well i'm gonna go
3:43and rewatch
3:45um the interviews that he had done
3:48and then that's when it popped out to me
3:50and i've heard him a hundred times like
3:52everybody
3:53else has but it just stood out to me
3:55that he said
3:57that he knew it was the last time he was
3:59going to tuck him in
4:01his daughters but the words that he said
4:04was i did nothing to stop it
4:09why did you say that like what does that
4:12mean you did nothing to stop it like
4:14i mean mine why wouldn't you say you you
4:16didn't stop yourself
4:18or like um or so like if he did it why
4:22didn't he say like i couldn't stop
4:23myself why did he say
4:25and and use the words i did nothing to
4:28stop it that so then
4:29now that it made me feel like it was
4:32somebody else there
4:33just because that choice of words and
4:36when i was looking at him i think that
4:38was a slip
4:39i think that was the part truth he
4:40didn't mean to have in there
4:43that he didn't it slipped by an accident
4:46is what i got from it
4:47so now i'm questioning it all over again
4:50of course
4:50i know you have the openness mind the
4:52most open mind i've ever seen um
4:54and you go back and forth on your
4:56opinions about the case which is good
4:57and healthy
4:58um and you know i i've gone back and
5:00forth on a couple opinions too but you
5:02know
5:02but right now i am still convinced that
5:05watts did it on his own
5:06um but now what i took from that
5:09statement
5:10was that he was trying to distance
5:12himself from the crime
5:14and so therefore he said i couldn't stop
5:16it something took over me man you know
5:18whatever
5:19um i i think this entire time he's been
5:22trying to
5:23distance himself by saying he was like
5:25in a fugue state
5:26or he was taken over by demons or
5:29whatever just so that no one thinks
5:31badly of him
5:32even though he physically did it he
5:34wants to prove
5:36that he didn't emotionally or mentally
5:38commit the crime because he wasn't all
5:40there
5:40something was you know stopping him from
5:42stopping the crime
5:43um that's my take but you know you may
5:45be very well right
5:47i don't know i don't know what do you
5:48guys think um
5:51let's see here oh good you put up your
5:52link your link is cursed or something
5:55everyone
5:56don't say that i don't know why i don't
5:58know what's happening
5:59i don't either and it's kind of because
6:01if someone
6:02reports a video or something i believe
6:05it takes many many
6:06many months or whatever many people
6:08reporting it
6:10in order to take you down but to have a
6:11black strike so
6:13bad that i can't even it says it that
6:15violates facebook violent
6:17facebook um whatever rules and
6:19regulations
6:20very weird very well says cher welcome
6:23to the dark side
6:27dave look at my hands i have nothing on
6:29[Laughter]
6:32them
6:34you said he said it felt as if someone's
6:36hands were over his or maybe he was
6:39talking from the affair from the
6:40beginning also
6:41so that's another thing that i also
6:44think you guys um i'm very
6:48big um into
6:51we'll call it paranormal investigating i
6:54do that as a hobby
6:56um i believe in demons and spirits and
6:59good evil all those things um
7:03and i do fully believe that there is
7:07darkness in that house and i think it
7:09was there before chris did the murders
7:12if you even look at chris's eyes like
7:15right when he was
7:16caught and in the police camera the body
7:20footage
7:20his eyes are super dark like yeah
7:23really weird yeah and and totally
7:27soulless you could say but
7:30you know i believe that i've heard the
7:34i'm like everybody i've seen the
7:36pictures i've seen videos
7:37i've heard the audio um i know you're
7:40into
7:41paranormal as well definitely
7:44i definitely could go that route to now
7:46yes he still
7:47did it but he had said yes that he had
7:50felt like he was
7:53somebody else was guiding his hands a
7:55demonic thing personally
7:57what my personal beliefs are is that
8:01nicole and him and maybe some other
8:04people
8:04did some kind of seance or something in
8:09that house
8:10before the murders maybe like a month
8:13before or a couple weeks before the
8:15murders
8:16maybe maybe i don't know and again i
8:19think she was
8:21into the wiccan religion and she was um
8:24you know into crystals and all that
8:26white magic stuff that i certainly
8:28played around
8:28with when i was a kid i think by the
8:30time i was her age um obviously i had a
8:32child myself
8:33and um i didn't mess with that but i
8:36know i was
8:37terrified of my daughter using the ouija
8:39board even um by that time but when i
8:41was young i certainly did all that stuff
8:43we bought the crystals there were
8:44certain ones we'd buy
8:46um for certain reasons i did the tarot
8:48cards i still do tarot cards that
8:49doesn't bother me much but
8:51um so i know that a lot of women
8:53especially go through that
8:55um that uh new age metaphysical
8:59stage in their life um now nk was
9:02probably a bit too old to still be into
9:03it i don't know
9:04because it's true unless she is a lot
9:07like
9:08me where when i was younger
9:11and grew up in foster care there were
9:13several homes i was in
9:15um that i basically bounced around
9:17different religions different churches
9:20being in different foster homes i i
9:23somewhat now at 36 have
9:26my own i don't go to church now but i do
9:29have i believe in heaven i believe in
9:31hell i believe that i i've made up
9:33not made up but i've come up with my own
9:36spiritual
9:37beliefs so i still i'm still into all of
9:40that
9:40i actually do have a spirit board um
9:43i have the recorders i have um
9:47evp and a ghost box i have all those
9:50things
9:50sure i do too yeah um i think if you
9:55if we'll call it investigating i kind of
9:57don't really like using that word
10:00i feel i'm just curious because i've had
10:03my own things happen to me so it makes
10:05me curious now to that side
10:08right i think it's very possible that
10:11he could have had some evil thing done
10:14to him if nicole was maybe
10:16really into the cult thing or whatever
10:19too i think
10:20i don't think it's something that
10:22everybody grows out of if she maybe had
10:24her own
10:25beliefs
10:28but as far as performing ceremonies i
10:30don't think we've done that in years you
10:31know my girlfriend natalie and i she's
10:33actually a witch
10:35but we haven't done that kind of thing
10:37in years really we've
10:39played with an angel board a few years
10:40ago um
10:42but that was because my then teenage
10:43daughter was with us and she wanted to
10:45do it
10:46um but we haven't really i mean i of
10:49course
10:49yeah i was a ghost hunter i admit that
10:51for you know a couple years ago
10:52and that was a lot of fun but i believe
10:54in that sort of thing i totally believe
10:56in
10:56um everything that is otherworldly or
10:59everything that is you know paranormal
11:01but i don't think that i don't know i
11:04can't see her
11:05performing rituals at that age maybe
11:07that's what i'm
11:08thinking you know i can't i don't know
11:12yeah i don't know um because i doubt you
11:16gather your kids together and say okay
11:18kids we're gonna have a seance at this
11:19age you know i don't
11:21i don't think but maybe you do and
11:23that's perfectly fine um
11:24but um i don't know i don't know maybe
11:28they did do
11:29things at his house but i'm wondering if
11:32he had more than her
11:33over i don't even know how he got in k
11:36in the door
11:37do you have any idea i mean unless he
11:40went through
11:40she went through the back sliding window
11:44but wouldn't yeah i mean he had a whole
11:47room
11:47set up in the basement that had its own
11:50he could get in and out of
11:51down there and shanann was upstairs i
11:54mean
11:54depending on how
11:58sneaky this man was
12:01how sneaky nicole was i don't know maybe
12:05maybe they were under the same roof at
12:07the same time
12:08i don't know
12:11i don't know either i have no idea um
12:15but it's also fishy that she came in and
12:17the carpets were being cleaned and
12:19um that's just so weird but again i
12:21don't know how she could have made up
12:23stories
12:24um not knowing what chris was going to
12:27say on the other end
12:28that doesn't say i don't know i had a
12:31point with
12:32kate that i i'm just
12:36basically i feel like anything is
12:37possible in this case so i'm just like
12:40open so i don't even know what
12:44like even if it was like a demonic
12:46situation well he still
12:48did that i mean absolutely but you know
12:50there's no you can really fight that
12:52in court right you can't be like oh a
12:53demon took me over that's not being
12:56so of course no judge is gonna be like
12:58oh okay well
13:00well it's not good thank god it was a
13:01demon and not your own mind
13:04and i always wonder at the end of those
13:05scary movies where
13:07like the guy turns into or is possessed
13:09by demons and he runs around trying to
13:10kill his family and his friends or
13:12whatever
13:13and then in the end a woman kills him
13:15you know somehow how are you gonna
13:16walk out of the house with her kid or
13:18whatever and she's so happy that she
13:19killed him
13:20how are you going to tell the police
13:23that
13:24a demon possessed my husband and well i
13:26guess you'd just say
13:27he tried they always bothered me like
13:29what happens next will there be an
13:30inquisition about her killing this man
13:32or
13:33you know i'm sure there would be you
13:34can't use supernatural
13:37um excuses in a court of law you're
13:39absolutely right that's a shame
13:41um but i mean there are psychological
13:44reasons too did he go into a fugue state
13:46and he
13:47i believe a few states where you
13:49basically black out
13:51but you continue to do your life um
13:54not when you are actually he
13:59planned it out though so that's another
14:03thing that
14:03makes me kind of go against the demonic
14:06thing because he was planning it out so
14:08let's say it's a demonic thing well he
14:10wasn't always in that house right so
14:12a demon then that followed him all
14:15around went to work
14:16with him and it was just over him at all
14:18times or is it
14:19that itself was haunted so yeah i guess
14:22i can't
14:23i mean obviously that's not my first
14:25choice but right
14:26let's see how it's possible i definitely
14:28believe in those evps and stuff
14:32um paula said that she really feels like
14:34that trent man
14:36was involved okay um
14:39i am friends with somebody on facebook
14:42and on youtube and i will send you her
14:44link she is also a psychic
14:48a few weeks ago she had even told me
14:52she go she had messaged me just out of
14:54the blue she likes to
14:55discuss the case with me and she was
14:57like just so you know it's coming to me
15:00um in dreams and stuff there i chris was
15:03a gay
15:03man and she doesn't really know like she
15:05didn't follow the case like all of us do
15:08sure like he was a gay man and i feel
15:11like this
15:12one guy is involved there is a man
15:14involved that helped him
15:16so it wow like aligns with what your
15:19friend
15:20paula was saying and that's from
15:22somebody who
15:24isn't as invested in the case as
15:26everybody right
15:27right and i'm wondering though if that
15:29you know paula mentioned that maybe
15:31um the that trent helped chris after the
15:34fact
15:35out at the oil site chris called him
15:37frantically
15:38or whatever um on his way over there but
15:40then wouldn't that be in phone records i
15:42don't know
15:42um right unless christmas burner
15:46he could have yeah he could have
15:48definitely and if you were having an
15:49affair
15:50and nicole even thought maybe there was
15:52other people so if he is having an
15:53affair
15:54even possibly multiple affairs he
15:57probably
15:57would have a burner right right you're
16:00right
16:00you're right so that his man couldn't go
16:04through
16:04you know wouldn't know about it and it
16:06would you know because it looked like
16:07the only thing shanann was
16:09really watching was his charges on any
16:12credit cards
16:13and and stuff like that right which
16:15would be the only way that you could
16:16really
16:17track your husband's you know
16:19wrongdoings or whatever would be what he
16:21spent
16:22she was looking at his phone too because
16:24i remember she
16:25had texted her friend and said
16:28um he's changed his picture on his phone
16:32to some sand
16:32dunes it's not me and the girls anymore
16:36he changed right on his phone so she
16:38maybe was possibly going through his
16:40phone too so
16:40i i would put more money on him having
16:44a burner phone certainly we're like 20
16:47gas station or whatever yeah
16:49right yeah that's entirely possible
16:52right
16:53um but would he be so and well i think
16:55that he was so
16:56miserable because you know they they did
16:59get along but in his mind they did not
17:01you know shenan
17:02and chris and um i think he was so
17:05miserable that
17:06he is saying okay i'm gonna date other
17:08people starting now and you know
17:10start running around with other people
17:12um and the fact that um the amanda lady
17:15and trent have the same story
17:17basically the same story is you can't
17:20look
17:20overlook that and i know a lot of people
17:22said that nk called them they were her
17:24friends
17:25but the point is you know there's no
17:27friend in my life even my
17:29best friend from when i was eight years
17:31old no one
17:32in my life who if i said there's a
17:34murder mystery going on
17:36i was dating the guy who did it can you
17:38please go to the cops and say you had an
17:40affair with him there's
17:41no human being on earth who would do
17:44who would i wouldn't agree to do that
17:46for my best friend i might help her by
17:48bury the bodies what was he
17:52what what what did he get out of the
17:55deal
17:56right right i mean for everything
18:00so what would trent get out of the deal
18:02what was he promised
18:04i don't know you mean by chris
18:07yeah chris possibly
18:10nicole or anybody else that was maybe
18:12involved
18:14um what was trent
18:17promise then to help him because could
18:19you imagine getting there
18:20what if chris was just like hey come
18:21here i need your help whatever and trent
18:23gets there and it's
18:25it's body that's right it's bodies and
18:28looking at
18:29trent and uh
18:32he was more of a feminine man right
18:36though i feel like he would not have
18:38been okay with that maybe even possibly
18:40like
18:40thrown up or something or like had a
18:42little fit
18:43not knowing what to do if i had shown up
18:46and there was bodies that are like i
18:47would have panicked and
18:49freaked out i would have thrown and
18:51someone did throw up at the site right i
18:53don't think that chris
18:54i feel like someone had to have thrown
18:56up
18:57oh no hold on guys do are my mods out
19:00there
19:01um bumblebee where are you i'm hoping
19:04someone's here
19:06um because it looks like we have arguing
19:09in the chat guys don't argue
19:11please um or who is let's see mia i love
19:15mia so let me see what she's talking
19:17about
19:18mark klein oh okay okay okay um
19:22oh yeah oh no i don't know who that is
19:25i'm so sorry mia someone's saying
19:27anything bad in my chat i'll find it
19:29later i promise
19:30um hi cindy surfer
19:36um
19:39i'm sorry megan j um brought up a good
19:42point there
19:43oh she did okay let me find her
19:49why wouldn't they do mobile forensics on
19:52bulty's phone i don't know
19:54do you think maybe they did and why
19:56would this stuff
19:57all not be in the um release
20:00of documents what is that called
20:02discovery god
20:04um yeah i should know that i was almost
20:07a liar i
20:08declined going to school though and i
20:09got married instead but
20:12but i don't know why they have all this
20:14stuff like
20:15for instance um looking down
20:19we could send whatever we needed to him
20:22he would take a look and give us
20:23his ideas so if we wanted to do that
20:27there's an option from a detective point
20:29of view of
20:30what is possibly going on
20:34sure definitely i should probably send
20:35it to danielle parker
20:37and her dad too yeah because like i said
20:40yesterday they actually had a tv series
20:42i want to say in the 80s
20:44about them and it's so i mean it's like
20:46a regular
20:47like magnum pi series or something um
20:50true le79 could be a thrive patch oh you
20:53know what it could be
20:55um but trent said he's on
20:58fenton who chris is on fentanyl patches
21:02um where's oh trent is
21:06well that's interesting right because
21:09was trent not in treatment
21:13i i don't know if he would do you guys
21:15know was he in treatment
21:17or oh i love you too mia you're adorable
21:21um do you think that he was i mean you
21:24guys think he was in treatment or he
21:25actually worked
21:26at a rehab facility right you guys know
21:30which one that is because i know he was
21:31a cna or something like that
21:33um okay so so i don't know if you worked
21:37there
21:38um because he met some guy that was sort
21:40of related to the story there
21:42um but i don't know i i really don't
21:44know
21:46they should have checked trent and
21:49amanda
21:50you know they should have and that's
21:51what i'm saying is that the discovery
21:53does not contain
21:54information like going off to nk you
21:57know off to anadarko and
21:58talking with 30 people and hoping one of
22:01them saw
22:02nk that day or going through their video
22:04you know their security videos
22:06right i'm sure they did but why can't we
22:10see that they did
22:11it's so strange um and you know if they
22:15did any further investigation of trent
22:17why don't we why don't we see that you
22:20know
22:20um but all of those questions
22:23is what also would make me believe
22:26there's that theory out there
22:28that this is um and actually this theory
22:31i've heard from
22:32a psychic as well that it's
22:35the place where this took place there's
22:38actually
22:39things signed where it's okay to
22:42um do experiments on us like social
22:45experiments
22:46on us that is
22:50some kind of weird
22:53no i'm not going to say stage like it
22:54didn't happen i believe it happened i
22:56believe these people died but
22:58was it a set up to like
23:01look how crazy everybody is going on
23:04this case honestly
23:06i'm a huge conspiracy theorist so i
23:10i leave all options open in my mind
23:14and i don't know there's corruption
23:17there is if people can't see that so
23:19to to say that it's not possible to have
23:22something like that and
23:23and do an experiment on all of us look
23:25at us it could have been an experiment
23:26like what makes everybody
23:28love true crime so much or
23:31you think you're that's weird i know and
23:34you know there's so many of the
23:35conspiracy theories that make sense um
23:38but then look at lori day bell and chad
23:40dabo i'm not sure if you know much about
23:42them that's also another
23:43weird bizarre case why were they not
23:46arrested much much sooner and in that
23:48area also
23:50there is document sign where they can do
23:53the the experiment social experiments
23:57what would that be called murder why
23:59don't places have such these weird cases
24:02that just make no
24:03sense in any in any way
24:06like what the heck i know a lot of stuff
24:08out of colorado makes
24:09no sense you know a lot of the crimes
24:12um i love how they want went to the
24:15trouble to interview balti's mother but
24:17not
24:17jamie watts oh gosh i didn't know she
24:19wasn't interviewed
24:21uh i always wondered why was she not
24:22interviewed
24:24yeah i mean she might be a character
24:26witness you know she's such a sweetheart
24:28i love jamie
24:29um i don't know why they wouldn't
24:33um why they wouldn't do at least one
24:36interview as a character
24:37witness for chris um if nothing else
24:41um or even to see if it was true that he
24:43gave
24:44shanann drugs while they were in north
24:46carolina she might have noticed shenan
24:48acting differently or whatever
24:50um because she was there with her only
24:51for a short period of time i don't know
24:53does anyone know why they wouldn't have
24:55interviewed jamie um
24:59they didn't or they didn't interview
25:01leave jim
25:02alone chicka chicken head cannon
25:07that's gonna make me laugh i love your
25:09title um
25:12i don't know why they didn't interview
25:14jim
25:15or did they and it's just simply not in
25:18discovery and
25:20why are they keeping it out of discovery
25:22why would he not
25:24and i know that tammy lee said that um
25:27the case wasn't fully investigated
25:29because everything ended when he did the
25:31plea deal
25:32so but i find it odd i mean i think that
25:35the murder case was closed
25:37but a case against possible accessories
25:42might have continued on i know that in
25:44february where tammy and codar
25:46and um bom haber went to
25:49wisconsin february 2019 they asked chris
25:53point blank and by saying people say
25:56that in
25:57kay was involved or was she involved was
25:59she there blah blah blah and he came up
26:00with a
26:01very strange response saying oh yeah
26:04i had to talk her off the ledge i mean
26:06what is that she's throwing a fit
26:08because she didn't go to the restaurant
26:09she wanted what is the ledge you know
26:10and how does that
26:12have anything whatsoever to do with the
26:14crime
26:15he did not answer that question however
26:17the important thing is
26:19that in february the following year they
26:22were interested enough
26:23in resolving the nk issue once and for
26:26all
26:27by asking him that question or there's
26:30the possibility that all
26:31investigation did end when he confessed
26:33in november
26:34and privately tammy and
26:38obama and and coder had these questions
26:42these burning questions
26:43because their right to investigate
26:46further into the into the crime was
26:48terminated
26:50the previous november and they just had
26:52to ask that you know
26:54privately or or on their own um
26:57on their own volition or whatever let's
27:00see here oh bumblebee you are here yay
27:02stephanie michelle there's not evidence
27:04to support that chris did anything
27:05besides confessing i
27:07i don't know i think the evidence is
27:10whoops sorry um i think the evidence is
27:13that
27:14he had to motive he had that means and
27:16he had the opportunity
27:17which is all that is required to um
27:21pursue him as a suspect um now i think
27:25also that the trash bags came from his
27:27home
27:28um the sheets came from his bed if he
27:31wasn't there
27:32to take the sheets off to bed then who
27:34who did that um
27:36everything ties him to the killings and
27:38you know
27:39if you're alone in a house with your
27:40family and they get killed in the middle
27:42of the night
27:43it's probably you that's why i said
27:47yeah with the john b ramsey case i know
27:48it was patsy ramsey i
27:50have no doubt about it and i've created
27:52my own evidence to prove that you know
27:55um and she she's passed away but i you
27:58know it's probably better
27:59that they didn't convict her that might
28:00be why they didn't because she still had
28:02active cancer
28:03um let's see here more people
28:06yeah they had a lot of money and you
28:08know money they didn't
28:10rock so unfortunately yeah they got
28:13lawyers right away
28:14they can question any further and
28:15unfortunately the um
28:17grand jury determined there wasn't
28:19enough evidence to prosecute
28:21i i it was horrible um second michelle
28:25it's just hard for me to imagine a grown
28:26married man with children
28:28climbing in and out of a basement window
28:30just because he didn't want
28:32was there more i don't know if there's
28:34more hold on
28:37sorry caffeine
28:41didn't want the security alerts to go
28:43off on stan's phone
28:45i don't know i don't think he would
28:48climb through the window but he might
28:49have
28:50his girlfriend climb through the window
28:52right right
28:54yeah when i had to climb through a
28:56window in easthampton new york
28:58um back in november my my the
29:01beautiful lady i was ready and we
29:03actually released a book and we were
29:04doing a
29:05book signing she had locked herself out
29:07of her apartment and so i had to
29:09i dive bombed her living room window
29:10because she actually had to open
29:12it was awful shenan was violently ill
29:15the night chris
29:16showed up he wrote that letter yes
29:19he's guilty i tend to agree with you
29:22stephanie i absolutely agree with you
29:25um the letter itself shows
29:28premeditation and forethought um because
29:32back in july he's talking about
29:36how he's scared for his own life and
29:38that he said oh but no i will never hurt
29:40the children
29:42but if i'm dead or whatever if i'm
29:43murdered shenan did it
29:46no that's weird um cute dimples asked if
29:49we think that would um
29:51chris get that appeal that we all heard
29:54he's trying to do
29:55now i have a theory about this
30:00to hear that somebody like chris could
30:02even get an appeal well we all know they
30:04file appeals and i believe he filed one
30:06and it was already
30:07out um so i have for about a year now
30:12had a theory that
30:14if chris did file some kind of appeal
30:18if chris wins this appeal
30:23i have a theory the whole thing is set
30:25up and staged
30:28the whole thing because why would he get
30:30that right yes
30:32he wouldn't if he wins it that's that's
30:35something in my head that if he gets
30:37this appeal filed and he is granted it i
30:40will believe the theories that it's
30:42a stage set up thing and it was you know
30:45that's why he pled guilty because he was
30:47promised something down the road
30:49or whatever that's just in my own crazy
30:52mind
30:52like i said i keep all options open i'm
30:55like
30:56neutral just in the middle waiting to
30:57see what comes
30:59undone probably something next month is
31:02going to come out that we have never
31:03heard before it's going to throw a damn
31:06wrench and everything for everybody
31:09maybe
31:10i don't know that's another thing i'm
31:11interested to see as well
31:14next month do we see interviews from
31:17chris's parents
31:18do we see interviews from shenan's
31:20parents
31:21from frankie um i'm super curious
31:24because
31:26they want everyone to stop talking about
31:27it so much so are they going to talk
31:29about it next month
31:30around the anniversary that when people
31:33do things like that it
31:34really says a lot more to me
31:38sure what's maybe really going on
31:41um that they haven't profited off of the
31:44story in any way but i personally do not
31:46believe that
31:48um i do not
31:52i think dr phil probably paid them
31:54something minimal
31:55um i know i wasn't paid for my
31:58documentary danny abrams documentary
32:00which is you know i expected nothing
32:02but um a lot of people who are actually
32:05famous or infamous in this case they
32:08probably were hired actually you know
32:10for the interviews they did give
32:12and i can understand that they're both
32:15middle-income families i believe or
32:17you know i'm not really sure what they
32:18make but um
32:20sure fifteen thousand dollars to talk dr
32:22phil great i'll take it you know that
32:24kind of thing
32:25but i don't know rhonda when she did her
32:27um
32:28tv things there was multiple different
32:30tv and different networks that she
32:33did interviews for right um
32:36we were supposed to be filming before
32:37the coronavirus which everything happens
32:39for a reason thank god
32:41but um with the oxygen network
32:45we were going to be doing um like uh
32:48where is she now typisting with rhonda
32:51um for the oxygen network
32:53so david actually said that all of the
32:55previous interviews were done for free
32:58so her family okay nothing
33:01her son and really it's because they
33:03wanted
33:04nothing the family was like i don't want
33:07anything
33:08from this at all like they they've lost
33:11you know they just they didn't want it
33:13so when they came around again and they
33:15were bugging the family and the family
33:16was like oh i don't know i said well you
33:18got to get something out of it this is
33:19your story too
33:21tell them you want this or this or this
33:22out of it so and
33:24i was the negotiator for that so i was
33:27like well you're gonna do this
33:28they want that rhonda needs this and
33:30this including flying me in so i could
33:32be there with her for the interview
33:34that would be important yeah obviously i
33:37know
33:38that these networks especially the
33:40networks which
33:41for all true crime is a billion dollar
33:44industry right every year millions and
33:47billions of dollars
33:48this family now i'm no dummy and i had
33:51rhonda was
33:52stern about making sure certain things
33:54like i had to be put up in a hotel stuff
33:55like that
33:56they had no problem doing any of that
33:58for me
33:59paying for my travel stay food
34:02everything for me
34:03so i don't believe that the nan's family
34:06who would pay
34:07people to stop media from talking is
34:10not themselves getting paid for media
34:15right i would think they would i mean it
34:17would just be the right thing to do i
34:19think um
34:20if you're going to be talking to these
34:22families either
34:23either the watts or the roof sex about
34:25something the most horrible thing that
34:27ever happened in their lives
34:28you should probably compensate them for
34:31their time and their trouble
34:32because that's the last thing in the
34:34world they want to talk about you know
34:35that
34:36um right a fingerprint was found inside
34:38the black garbage bag that did not
34:40belong to the cw or shenand
34:42i thought and i could be wrong dave
34:44forgive me
34:45but i thought that um that fingerprint
34:48was simply
34:49not usable because the arch was smudged
34:52am i wrong about that is that correct um
34:55the fingerprints
34:57they didn't necessarily belong to
34:59another person but the
35:01part of the arch was like smudged or
35:03incomplete or something
35:04um so they couldn't determine whoever
35:08made the print it could have been chris
35:10um
35:11[Music]
35:12but probably also isn't means for
35:15conviction
35:16sadly
35:19talking to me i agree with that time
35:23thank you angelize
35:24um well from what i remember is nk
35:27said leave jim out of this and kobach
35:29said but but
35:31probably um i do remember that exchange
35:35and
35:36you know again if you've read no
35:37inclination i sort of
35:39my best friend david smith is actually
35:42the gym character in my book
35:44and um what i had the mistress doing was
35:47this is her best friend the one she
35:48confided in all the time and
35:50he she called him over to spend the
35:52night because she was so worried that
35:53something happened to
35:55her boyfriend's family um but yet she
35:59didn't want him to be involved
36:01in the in the interrogation because he
36:03didn't do anything he just was kind of
36:05like her
36:05number one support um that's how i wrote
36:08it in the book and no inclination i
36:10don't know if you guys have read it
36:11please
36:12read my book and you can't afford it
36:14message me i'll i'll
36:15be happy to figure something out for you
36:17um
36:19is he straight jim is he a straight man
36:22i don't know i think he's gay honestly i
36:24did uh
36:27i really do i don't think um and i don't
36:30know where i read that or
36:31or gosh what was it i don't remember um
36:35but i think he might be gay yeah and um
36:38chris didn't know anything about him
36:40but i'm sure he knew a whole lot about
36:42her affair with chris
36:43because she wasn't telling her best
36:44girlfriends too much about it
36:47because they had different scenarios
36:49that existed in their past that would
36:50cause
36:51um them to feel differently about her if
36:54she was actually dating a married man
36:56um but she i think she told jim
36:59everything hold on i know
37:03stephanie that's horrible okay what's
37:05horrible what's horrible
37:08hold on i'm looking for did you guys see
37:10anything oh
37:12two seconds that's not correct the
37:13fingerprint was suitable for comparison
37:15but did not
37:16okay thank you um dr b i appreciate that
37:20i i must have read it wrong i am so
37:21sorry
37:22but you have the whole thing and so
37:24you've read it um obviously way more
37:26than i have
37:27uh voices behind the wall i agree
37:28because right now chris doesn't even
37:30qualify for that 35 c appeal nothing
37:33under that appeal plus
37:34chris the only thing i'm thinking guys
37:36is that maybe
37:38if someone could prove that he was
37:41actually
37:41insane at the time he was convicted
37:45no there's no way no no he meditated
37:48that murder
37:49he pre-medicated it and he himself says
37:52i did nothing to stop that
37:55so you know you could have but you
37:57didn't
37:58you know right from wrong then and to me
38:01that's what his words
38:03are saying right i agree no i agree
38:06that he didn't know right now that's
38:08very insanity
38:10the threat matches didn't make him i
38:12mean
38:13there's just no there's no way let's see
38:18shanann suffers with kid kidney stones
38:22and it's noted in her autopsy
38:24and that would have made her really ill
38:25and have trouble going to the bathroom
38:26okay sure i
38:27i do agree with that um she had a lot of
38:32things wrong with her
38:33i know stephanie that's horrible i don't
38:35know again i don't know what we're
38:36talking about and they do
38:38make you throw everything up my heart
38:39just breaks for her she was mentally
38:41tortured i'm assuming we're talking
38:43about shanann
38:44um i know and she had no idea what was
38:47causing her marriage to come to an
38:49end um but he wasn't evaluated couldn't
38:53that argue that he may have been insane
38:55oh you know what jay ray that's true if
38:58he
38:59absolutely and definitely was not
39:00evaluated upon
39:02arrest or shortly thereafter then we
39:05could definitely say that
39:07maybe um he was insane but no one knew
39:12but he did know right from wrong that's
39:14the only measure of insanity is whether
39:16they knew
39:17that their crime was wrong um
39:20now i believe looking at all of his old
39:22interviews that he didn't know
39:25he didn't take it as a wrong thing he
39:27sort of just told it like he was talking
39:30about lunch or something
39:31right um even to the detectives who went
39:35to visit him
39:36in february he told the story as though
39:38he was talking about
39:40going on a vacation you know what he did
39:42on his vacation it was
39:43so creepy it was very withdrawn from it
39:48because it wasn't another reason i
39:49believe the demonic kind of state
39:52too like it almost like he was
39:54explaining
39:55like maybe he was like kind of outer
39:58body experience watching himself
40:00do these horrible things possibly which
40:03would
40:03make me believe more that he is possibly
40:07for real turn spiritual now as he claims
40:10he is
40:11but like i said i i don't i don't
40:13normally believe i
40:15i always right away will think that's
40:17for sure when somebody goes to prison
40:19i agree no i do agree with that i think
40:22that it's
40:23partly for show but i think that the way
40:25his mind works
40:26is that um he's the only he doesn't feel
40:30real emotions he doesn't you know
40:32um so if he were to read a book about
40:35something that's purely good that he
40:37would
40:38absorb that um because he doesn't have
40:41any real feelings or real thoughts about
40:43good and evil
40:44other than the known differences between
40:46good and evil
40:47so i think that he is becoming religious
40:50in hopes that some of that goodness will
40:52actually absorb into him and he will
40:54have emotions
40:56that's my take on that um which doesn't
40:59mean it's insincere but i don't think he
41:00has the emotion
41:02behind the knowledge so he doesn't he
41:06takes this stuff in
41:09and so he has great knowledge of the
41:10bible and all the all the um
41:12quotes and you know stuff from the bible
41:15but he doesn't take it in emotionally
41:17uh might be a blip with with chat
41:20because i've had that happen before oh i
41:21don't know
41:22what are we talking about what what
41:24happened
41:26let's see um megan i can't either hello
41:29mark oh hi mark
41:30um hi irene
41:34i don't know what i can't read i don't
41:35know let's see
41:38i agree um
41:41that's what we talked about just
41:42recently i'm sorry
41:44but um no as far as trent being involved
41:47i can
41:48completely see that i really can um
41:51that he called him after the fact but
41:55the only problem i have with that
41:56scenario is then why would trent
41:59willingly come to the police um not even
42:02knowing if chris might have said well my
42:04buddy trent helped me or whatever
42:06um interjecting himself into the
42:09investigation
42:11i mean i'm that happens all the time
42:14more times than not
42:16okay then a guilty party will go ahead
42:19and jump in before they get him
42:20absolutely and maybe even trying to see
42:24what did they know on him i know
42:27i remember watching that interview and i
42:29remember
42:30everybody was just like oh nope this is
42:33nope it's not true
42:34he's just here for some kind of fame or
42:37whatever
42:38you know and just kind of threw it to
42:39the side and that was it with this trent
42:41guy
42:42but i remember watching him and kind of
42:45believing
42:45what he was saying i kind of believed it
42:48too but i believe everything
42:50yeah you knew me but
42:53um i totally believed it and i i haven't
42:56listened to amanda's interview in a long
42:58time but i think that
43:00actually had um credence in my mind
43:03oh can you see i can see you can
43:06oh okay um some people are having
43:08trouble in chat
43:10seeing others is that what's going on um
43:14yeah chris does tell a story like he's
43:16just talking however if you really
43:18listen to it
43:20if we really listen to it um
43:23yeah if we really if you really listen
43:25to it see i don't know
43:26i i he he he seems like he's just
43:29telling a story
43:30that is benign rather than this horrible
43:33story
43:37yes exactly just like when he said
43:41i did nothing to stop it that does
43:43actually make me feel
43:46like okay so there's more to it
43:51because i do think that was a slip of
43:52truth i don't think that he meant
43:54and if you see his face i think he he
43:56was kind of
43:57i don't think he meant to say that okay
44:00i think he was saying it like almost
44:02like to himself too like
44:04like [ __ ] i did nothing to stop this
44:06like you know like
44:08wow right right right
44:11um it could be i don't know um i don't
44:14think chris would cover for bulty though
44:16they didn't even know each other that
44:17long if he's telling the truth that is i
44:19don't know
44:20i don't think he'd cover for him but how
44:22would they communicate to each other
44:24that he would or would not cover it for
44:26him
44:27and you know if chris no you know if
44:30chris gave a random name how are they
44:32going to know which trent balti it is
44:34but the idiot came forward um if he was
44:37involved but
44:38i can see chris calling some guy to help
44:41him
44:42bury or get rid of the bodies who troy
44:45maybe if not trent i don't know
44:48um try and see if they're on
44:51police radar okay or learn what the cops
44:54have discovered or
44:55suspected so far some even try and
44:58interject themselves in order to give
44:59false information to the police and
45:01throw them off the track of the real
45:03killer okay
45:05absolutely and some yes some even think
45:08they are
45:08smarter than the cops and
45:12it becomes a game for them
45:17interesting sorry i'm blotting my
45:18lipstick um
45:21color is my mouth thinking that wouldn't
45:23be a problem
45:26layla laila dorian you have a channel of
45:29your own
45:33um and if you do maybe i should put the
45:35link in the chat for people to subscribe
45:38please
45:40that would be cool um she
45:44is an author like me i love all authors
45:48it took me a long time to get over um
45:51because i liked cheryl and katel i
45:53really did and i didn't think she could
45:54be capable of doing something like
45:56plagiarism and i still think
45:58um that maybe she copied down words and
46:02had it in her notebook and
46:04went ahead and jotted it down in the
46:05book without even thinking you know i
46:07don't know
46:07i don't know i don't know
46:11um ask
46:14in a about the
46:189 a.m call why is that such an issue
46:21guys what is the 9 a.m call
46:23um what does that prove or disapprove
46:25what what is the theory behind
46:27wondering about that 9 a.m 9-1-1 call
46:29from nicole atkinson
46:31does anyone do you know cher no
46:34i don't so no
46:38i don't know i really don't know
46:42but i'm not sure either like the whole
46:44who called the school
46:46because it was a female right 9am call
46:49this is discrepancy it could be
46:52that she didn't really call it my name
46:54oh and then like i was saying
46:56yesterday or maybe it wasn't yesterday i
46:58don't know when but
46:59um everyone is concerned with that
47:01garage door opening
47:03at 12 42 um
47:06i don't believe it was an interior
47:07garage door i think it was an exterior
47:09um
47:10and therefore it might have been the
47:12garage the smaller garage door maybe
47:15um or that when nick
47:18nick is his name so many nicks in this
47:20case when he was
47:21jiggling the door it might have caused
47:24another door to wiggle
47:25if there's the right vacuum in the
47:27garage i don't know
47:28because if you listen to nicole
47:31atkinson's
47:32interview with the cops she says
47:35she looks at her phone she says 12 27
47:37that's when chris called me to ask if we
47:39were fiddling with the door
47:40and i lied to him and i told him we
47:42weren't that we were out of there but
47:43they weren't really they hadn't left yet
47:45and this is what she was thinking was 12
47:4727 that afternoon um but then later in
47:50the conversation
47:52she goes back and says oh no no 12 42
47:55why did chris call me at 12 42 oh
47:57that was when he asked me if we were
48:00fiddling with the door
48:01um and she said 12 27 i called chris i
48:04believe that's what she said
48:06so i think that um
48:09you know whoever interviewed her was it
48:11coder i think it was
48:12no somebody else i don't know um they
48:16should have asked her so was it 12 42
48:19when you guys were
48:20still there messing with the door before
48:22you took off
48:23um and all the other time stamps are
48:26based on
48:27her remembering oh yeah this one called
48:29me before i got to the clinic or this
48:31one call me after
48:32it's based on her trying to remember
48:35when
48:36in relation to what she was doing that
48:38day
48:39these people called her like oh i was in
48:40the car i remember that like if i was in
48:42the car driving and you know cher calls
48:44me i'll remember where i was when she
48:45called me but in all that chaos she
48:47probably didn't remember getting you
48:49know 50 phone calls
48:51what time of day they actually came in
48:53or what they were when they came in
48:55around
48:55her activities because she was so scared
48:58um but if you listen to the interview
49:00she does say 12 42 oh okay 12 41 or 12
49:0342 that's when chris called me
49:04about the garage door so
49:08she all she's always told the story that
49:10chris called her
49:11and she lied about still being there
49:15and he asks why are you messing with my
49:16door so if it happened at 12 42 there's
49:19your answer it was you know nick
49:21jiggling the door um i don't know
49:24see what do you guys think about that
49:28yeah she was checking her phone for
49:30times like yes she was however
49:32what i mean cindy is that um she
49:35probably didn't
49:36you know you can check for times but if
49:39i get a phone call at 12 45
49:41um for my from my mother i could see my
49:44mom called at 12 45 was but was i at the
49:46grocery store or i already come home or
49:48was i in the car
49:49i think that it's the events surrounding
49:52the time stamps on her phone
49:54that are in question um and if she said
49:5812 42 that's when chris called me to ask
50:01if we were messing with the door
50:03then i think that's right because it's
50:05exactly the same time that there was a
50:07that there was a notice that came in the
50:09garage door had been
50:11opened or tampered with or something
50:14like that
50:15um let's see
50:18that would mean that after she hung up
50:21with chris at 12 27
50:22they hung around for another 20 minutes
50:24then i don't know
50:25they might yeah well
50:30let's see 12 27 42 no about 15 minutes
50:34actually
50:35i think i don't do math in my head i
50:36don't know is that like 15 minutes here
50:40so 12 24 12 27
50:437 and then 12 37 would be 10 minutes
50:47and then 12 42 would be five more so
50:51it's 15 minutes and
50:52yeah i think they did hang around for
50:56that long
50:57um i don't know
51:00to try to get find another way to get in
51:02that would be my guess
51:04no it wasn't me because they were at the
51:05doctor okay but why how do we know they
51:07were at the doctor i know someone has
51:09mentioned um nicole's
51:10life 360 or whatever but i've also read
51:13a lot of information saying that that
51:15particular app is very off
51:17time-wise um but i
51:20i don't know that anyone collaborate
51:21that exact time i don't know
51:25and it wasn't the alarm it went off at
51:2612 42 the garage door actually opened at
51:2812 42.
51:29thanks tammy but don't you think that um
51:33the alarm i mean nick could have pulled
51:35it up a few inches
51:37or an inch or whatever making it appear
51:39to the alarm company
51:40as if it was open um that's what i can't
51:44think
51:44they were not even there cindy that
51:47again that old
51:48that all depends on nicole's timeline
51:51for when she went to the doctor's office
51:53versus when she was standing out in
51:55front of the watts house or whatever
51:56they were doing there
51:58and remember she had a two-year-old with
52:00her and
52:01you know getting a two-year-old back in
52:02the car and you know whatever you're
52:04trying to do with her
52:05is kind of difficult maybe the kid had
52:07to have a diaper change right there
52:09you don't know but 15 minutes is not
52:11unheard of especially since they were
52:13wandering around the house looking for
52:15a way in or for some evidence as to
52:17where she might
52:18be um that's what i think um
52:21[Music]
52:22hold on no no they went to the doctor
52:25cindy i know they did
52:26but again i think that maybe that
52:28timeline might be off and we're talking
52:29like 10 minutes here 10 or
52:3115 minutes sorry um community christmas
52:34is not wearing a hoodie and
52:36a heat wave um
52:40detectives okay yeah you were gonna get
52:41in trouble mark
52:46oh my and again we're all armchair
52:49detectives no matter how much you guys
52:51don't like that word
52:52um uh alan did not invent that
52:55term so you know it that it's just funny
52:59i don't know
53:00um i think he's cool he's awesome let's
53:03see
53:04i love her work oh are we talking about
53:07dr b
53:09her phone shows her location is at the
53:11watts house until 12 47
53:13thank you um her son was messing with
53:17the garage door it didn't open
53:19thank you and getting rippy can you post
53:22um a location um
53:26she spoke to a friend while at the
53:27doctor's office was pretty much proven i
53:28don't
53:29i don't know i anybody who has any
53:32evidence about
53:33any of that um i know it's in the
53:35discovery but it's all over the place
53:37and dr b
53:38has gone over the whole discovery again
53:41um
53:42i don't know and to town
53:46is right it wasn't an alarm the door
53:48actually opened
53:49um i don't know
53:52but you know but you guys know what i
53:55mean if you pull up your garage door
53:57a little bit by hand it's going to read
54:00on your alarm system
54:02that it's been opened um
54:05right the kid was strong enough to pull
54:07it up a wee bit um
54:09i think it's gonna read but it opened i
54:12think i've never
54:13experienced that before but nobody opens
54:15my garage in the middle of the
54:17night or anything um na uses her phone
54:19to keep time on calls leaving getting
54:21back
54:22but my phone is admins ahead of my
54:24fiancees and we never figured out why
54:27time could definitely be off i agree
54:30sorry yeah
54:31absolutely um
54:34listen to na's interviews
54:38no she you're right cindy she does read
54:40off the times
54:42but when she realized okay after she's
54:44done that
54:45you go back she comes back and looks at
54:49it again
54:50so it's later in the interview and she
54:52says wait this is an
54:53incoming call oh that's when chris
54:55called me about the garage door and it
54:57was 12 42.
54:59um that would be a weird coincidence i
55:01don't
55:02you know and she acted as though she was
55:04actually there um
55:07the agents confirmed that nicole check
55:09the doctor's office
55:10it's in the discovery okay and that they
55:13had a definite time stamp you don't know
55:16um two crime two secret has a good video
55:19about the garage door
55:20okay i'll go look at that thank you i
55:21try to watch everyone's
55:23um youtube shows because i i love
55:26everybody out there
55:27and let's see here
55:30i think shenan was taken out the back
55:32someway i don't think anyone died in the
55:34house
55:35yeah i don't know and i really would
55:37love to have
55:38a cadaver documentary maybe i'll ask on
55:41my social media
55:42if they if anyone knows any cadaver dog
55:45experts who could tell me
55:47um if a cadaver dog would be able to
55:50pick up a death
55:52that just happened like five minutes ago
55:55because i don't know if there's any
55:57decomposition yet
55:59i don't know if there's any fluids that
56:00would be created that would definitely
56:04indicate death but i don't know i i
56:06can't speak from
56:07any experience or anything whatsoever
56:10and every time i've looked it up online
56:12no one
56:12seems to have the right answer to the
56:14cadaver dog's um
56:17time you know a time reference to when
56:19they could pick up the scent
56:21so um
56:28i can send it to you awesome getting
56:30lippy um
56:32can you hold on
56:36oh there we go uh you know what can you
56:38find me on social media if you're
56:40talking to me and you might not be
56:41but if you are could you find me on
56:43social media i'm talking again or tony
56:46hagan author over on facebook and i'm
56:48tanya underscore how you get an
56:50underscore author
56:51at instagram and i don't know what i am
56:53on twitter because i never use it
56:55but message me any of those places or
56:57even write it on my wall i've got a
56:58public wall
56:59um and then i will respond to you with
57:02my email
57:03i don't give out my email you know what
57:04i'm thinking about doing is creating a
57:06new email account
57:08during email so that all you guys can
57:10actually contact me whenever you want to
57:12instead of saying something ridiculous
57:14like contact me on social media
57:16so like that's what i do i have an email
57:18just for youtube
57:20okay i should do that too then i've been
57:22thinking about doing that
57:23um yeah you know if i do do that you
57:26guys keep looking back
57:28to below this video where i will post
57:31that
57:32new and interesting um email account i
57:35don't even know what i
57:36probably just emerged he writes tonya
57:38hagan but we'll i'll look into it
57:40um cadaver dog showed interest in chris
57:43watts truck but no one left the dogs
57:45inside the
57:46oh no okay so if they showed interest
57:50it's very
57:51very possible mission was in the back
57:54seat because they showed interest in the
57:56exterior why wouldn't they let
57:58the dog to the backyard or in the into
58:01the back seat or whatever
58:04kept telling the dog to shut up i don't
58:05like that either
58:07i mean not just because i love dogs but
58:09because that prevented him from
58:11finding any kind of uh or indicating any
58:14kind of a dead body
58:15at the very least a hunting dog search
58:18dog bloodhound will be able to pick up
58:19the scent that quick you think so
58:21i i don't know um
58:24yeah hunting dogs are very quick yeah
58:27absolutely
58:29i mean not to sound horrible and doesn't
58:31still horrible to me because
58:33he passed in february my um my little
58:35yorkie poo
58:36he passed in february um just of old age
58:40and he was in my husband's office laying
58:42on his couch he's got in there
58:44and that's when he passed away and my
58:45husband came right out to the emergency
58:47vet and they did what they had to do
58:49um but it was like two minutes later he
58:52carried him out of the room well the
58:53next day my other two dogs i've got
58:56a great pyrenees black lab mix and i've
58:57got a chihuahua um
58:59they were wouldn't go into kelly's
59:01office at all and they usually love to
59:03climb up on the castle he's doing work
59:05at his desk
59:06um they refused to go in there and the
59:08you know my little stewie was only in
59:10there for about five minutes after he
59:12passed away
59:13and then when they did go in there my
59:15big dog kept smelling the sofa where
59:17were stewie
59:19you know and they're not trained yeah
59:21cadaver dogs they're just
59:22dogs um so i don't know maybe it was as
59:26simple as my my big guy was looking for
59:28his brother stewie and he couldn't find
59:30him
59:30and then the last scent he picked up was
59:32right there on the couch but they were
59:33acting very strangely
59:35about that room in general so
59:38you might be right you might be right um
59:41but
59:41three different cadaver dogs went
59:43through the house separately none of
59:45them
59:45commanded um
59:48correct but again that goes back to my
59:50thought that maybe they wouldn't
59:52um detect it yet or maybe the body was
59:56not in it we're
59:57only talking about shanann's body why
59:59does everyone cherry pick from the
1:00:00discovery one of the dogs did
1:00:02enter the truck okay thank you and
1:00:05getting lippy what was the what
1:00:06was the discovery when did the dog
1:00:08actually indicate there was a dead body
1:00:10in the truck
1:00:11i thought they didn't that they acted a
1:00:13little weird but they didn't
1:00:15um they didn't hit on it i don't know
1:00:19um i don't think he did some of my
1:00:22family
1:00:22are freemasons but i don't think they
1:00:24would get away with murder now
1:00:26my dad used to be in that too um and he
1:00:29would never tell us anything it was so
1:00:31funny my brother
1:00:32you know thank him to tell us about his
1:00:35little meetings or whatever and he would
1:00:37laugh
1:00:37because my dad told us everything but he
1:00:40refused to
1:00:41whisper one word about what they do they
1:00:42might be killing people left and right
1:00:44um my kind my grandfather volunteered
1:00:47policing from
1:00:48indiana when don't jones dillinger
1:00:51escaped
1:00:52no soap just
1:00:56who he know who he knew sorry he was an
1:00:58honest german catholic
1:01:00um i'm not catching that up quite you
1:01:03know
1:01:04i don't know um i really wanna how come
1:01:07shenan
1:01:08oh shannon was on her best friend's
1:01:12wedding july 4th and didn't even make a
1:01:16facebook post about it but they're oh
1:01:18you're talking about nicole atkinson i
1:01:20don't know
1:01:21my best friend her name is natalie reese
1:01:23and she is one of my friends i've got 5
1:01:25000 friends and she's one of them
1:01:27even if i tag her in a post she refuses
1:01:29to come over to my
1:01:30wall to you know say anything to me um
1:01:34tim are you are you possibly hinting at
1:01:39you don't think that they were as close
1:01:42um of friends as nicole has been saying
1:01:45because i've been
1:01:47kind of questioning that lately myself
1:01:49um
1:01:50is that why you say that do you think
1:01:52that nicole
1:01:54kind of like pushed her away in
1:01:55shanann's life
1:01:57there's a reason why i think that
1:02:02just curious what your thoughts on that
1:02:04are yeah
1:02:07um the reason why i think that is
1:02:10because
1:02:12the way nicole atkinson was talking
1:02:15about
1:02:16the thrive thing and shannon
1:02:20had told her is it shenan or shannon
1:02:23well her parents named her shannon and
1:02:24she changed the pronunciation of it
1:02:29um then told nicole it seemed more like
1:02:32well no
1:02:33you should just be a customer and nicole
1:02:35was kind of pushy about getting in to
1:02:36thrive and then all of a sudden
1:02:38it was her almost like some of some
1:02:41people think it's been a single white
1:02:42female situation with nicole
1:02:45kessinger and shenan but now
1:02:48that's almost the feeling i get from
1:02:50nicole atkinson and she really
1:02:53yes definitely i don't know
1:02:56i think she pushed her way into shenan's
1:02:58life and shenan was kind of like
1:03:00hesitant and because now if that's one
1:03:03of your
1:03:04best friends like tam is saying why
1:03:06would you
1:03:07not want her to make money off of
1:03:09selling thrive why would you say
1:03:11well you should just be a customer
1:03:12because if it's me and it's my best
1:03:14friend i want you eating too i want you
1:03:15making a paycheck too let's go girl you
1:03:17know
1:03:18well i think that shenanigans they were
1:03:20best of friends
1:03:22i think shenan was so diplomatic um
1:03:25and i kind of know this because i am too
1:03:26but um that you what you want to do is
1:03:29you want to
1:03:30not look like you're stepping like maybe
1:03:32shanann didn't want to assume
1:03:34that nicole wanted to sell the thrive
1:03:36and she said oh you can just
1:03:38be my customer you don't have to sell it
1:03:39kind of thing i got
1:03:41from from what i got from it nicole
1:03:44seemed pretty pushy about wanting to
1:03:46sell it
1:03:47and then shanann was like well no just
1:03:49be a
1:03:51a customer almost like she didn't want
1:03:53it to happen
1:03:54that is the feeling i got from it and
1:03:56then it turned into yeah then it turned
1:03:58into nicole's going everywhere and going
1:04:01on all these trips with shenan it's
1:04:02always nicole and shenan
1:04:03and and i always thought it was super
1:04:06weird how
1:04:06just how quick she called for help for
1:04:10her friend because i don't think i would
1:04:11have been that quick oh my friend didn't
1:04:13answer in 20 minutes okay well i'm going
1:04:15home call me when you get home or
1:04:16something like i don't think i would
1:04:17have right away
1:04:18called the cops right but i think that
1:04:20she was with her that weekend and she
1:04:22knew that her friend that shanann was
1:04:24not feeling well um and i think she was
1:04:26very concerned again maybe she gave her
1:04:28a headache medicine that
1:04:30you know was prescribed in nicole i
1:04:31don't know there's something in there
1:04:33that caused her alarm but if shanann was
1:04:37acting really weak and really
1:04:39um headachy or you know really sick over
1:04:42that week and knowing that she was 15
1:04:43weeks pregnant
1:04:45i don't know i might be like that too if
1:04:47it's a friend who lives nearby
1:04:49um megan j thank you um about the
1:04:51comments about my boy
1:04:53um yeah he was we got him for ally when
1:04:55she was a little little girl
1:04:57and um he was her dog but he was
1:05:01rotten if you guys have a yorkie po
1:05:03yorkie poo
1:05:04toy poodle and yorkie mix you'll know
1:05:06what i mean i'm not sure i think it's a
1:05:08toy poodle part of them that makes them
1:05:10be
1:05:10you know really naughty and kind of mean
1:05:13to other dogs and people
1:05:15i don't know but we loved him oh my god
1:05:17um
1:05:19enjoying 72 i was weary at first i have
1:05:21small kids but i was afraid the owners
1:05:22would have put him off
1:05:24on their own if we didn't take him it's
1:05:27day four
1:05:28and we love him oh we're talking about a
1:05:29puppy i love animals oh my gosh and so
1:05:32my daughter and i
1:05:33and that's true tammy can um
1:05:36what'd she just say i don't know the
1:05:38only pictures you see of shanann
1:05:41and nicole are at the thrive events
1:05:43another reason i thought that because
1:05:45i've seen it online yes
1:05:47even some short like facebook videos or
1:05:50whatever they were
1:05:51um where you it seems to me like
1:05:54nicole's
1:05:55kind of pushing her way in like hey
1:05:59that's what i get from it everyone else
1:06:01has much crazier theories than me
1:06:04i don't know and it's also possible that
1:06:06they just met
1:06:07i mean they met through um shane's mom
1:06:11and it's also possible that nicole
1:06:14just needed a friend and she thought oh
1:06:15this lady is so nice i really want her
1:06:18to be my friend so we're gonna start you
1:06:19know hanging out together and whatever
1:06:21um i don't know i they i really don't
1:06:24know
1:06:25um new comments
1:06:30um
1:06:34i do agree that i do agree the thing is
1:06:36that she was with
1:06:38her the night before and they were
1:06:40talking about her issues
1:06:41with chris um that's true because
1:06:47she had the code to get in um the house
1:06:50i wouldn't give just a friend of code
1:06:52thank you
1:06:53um megan i agree i think i mean she
1:06:55watched the dog
1:06:56during the week that chris was out of
1:06:58town with his family
1:07:00um in north carolina they were all gone
1:07:03so she watched a dog
1:07:05and you're right i i've got a my best
1:07:08friend's son
1:07:09is my only dog sitter that i allow and
1:07:11it's how he just lives here when we go
1:07:12out of town
1:07:14um and i wouldn't i would not kill my
1:07:16dogs but i
1:07:17it would have to be someone i really
1:07:19really trusted
1:07:20and who wouldn't bend the rules for my
1:07:22dogs like um
1:07:24you know we live in a cul-de-sac but a
1:07:27couple houses behind the cul-de-sac is a
1:07:29major street
1:07:30and my big dog is 170 pounds and he runs
1:07:34he likes to get out of here
1:07:36so you know i wouldn't trust anyone to
1:07:38adhere to the rules that he's never
1:07:40allowed out the front gate you know out
1:07:41the um whatever
1:07:42um the gate that's in my foyer i
1:07:45wouldn't
1:07:46just let anyone watch my dogs i know
1:07:48because they are like my children
1:07:50i don't know chair do you believe that
1:07:51way or are you not a dog person
1:07:53no i have i have zoe yeah of course yeah
1:07:57um
1:08:00hold on sorry i was reading one of these
1:08:02questions when you were saying that
1:08:04katie mcgriff what baffles me is n.a
1:08:07knew shan was strangled before they
1:08:10found her
1:08:13and that's not the first time i've heard
1:08:15that
1:08:17i've heard a lot of people say that how
1:08:19did she know
1:08:20when did she know that i mean
1:08:23um katie do you remember when how yeah
1:08:26how
1:08:26how are people saying that where can i
1:08:28find
1:08:29where she had said that or or known that
1:08:31is it in her interview one
1:08:32interview sorry i didn't yeah okay i
1:08:35want i want to see that because
1:08:37i've actually heard that several times
1:08:39and that's very bizarre
1:08:44yeah that is um i don't have one
1:08:47no but i'm dog crazy good for you um
1:08:51watch a lot of dog trainers on social
1:08:52media i'll have a look and i can maybe
1:08:55direct you towards some trainers on
1:08:56social media
1:08:57at j ray okay
1:09:01yeah i need dog training i need to take
1:09:03dancing these classes over here um
1:09:06hold on go back and listen to an area
1:09:08where she says the bed was stripped the
1:09:10sheets were on the floor
1:09:11but i don't know if any were missing why
1:09:14would she say that
1:09:16um oh interesting um
1:09:20i don't know tammy i think i don't know
1:09:23right i believe
1:09:24that story that she he called her and
1:09:27she noticed i think she was very
1:09:29suspicious
1:09:30and um like what paula suggested on one
1:09:34of my
1:09:34shows that it's possible that chris
1:09:38was interested in that what is it called
1:09:40will you strangle someone while you're
1:09:42doing whatever with them
1:09:43um that he might have been into that
1:09:45maybe through trent or maybe through
1:09:47nicole or
1:09:48even through that other woman um and
1:09:51that kind of scared her i mean maybe it
1:09:53was something he really really liked to
1:09:54do
1:09:55and so she thought naturally oh my god
1:09:57he strangled her i don't know
1:09:59you know how long it takes for someone
1:10:01to actually
1:10:02die from being strangled yeah
1:10:05that's not a sexual mistake let me just
1:10:09say
1:10:10um i'm gonna be quiet now
1:10:13no no no but i think it takes a while
1:10:17to actually strangle somebody and it
1:10:19takes some force
1:10:20too it takes some force and it takes a
1:10:23few minutes
1:10:24to kill somebody and the
1:10:27odds of you dying from some
1:10:30sexual suffixiation
1:10:35is i mean pretty slim right so unless
1:10:38you're really trying to kill that person
1:10:41by choking them then i mean that's what
1:10:44you're trying to do it's not an accident
1:10:45it's not some kind of
1:10:47bedroom closed-door mistake that's not
1:10:50what happened
1:10:51that's just people talking and being
1:10:54silly and trying to
1:10:55throw the little sex parts in there
1:10:57because i mean that's true crime case
1:10:59right
1:10:59sex right murder that's right this one
1:11:02has everything
1:11:03right and even the rock and roll where
1:11:05he looked at the battery
1:11:06right right um
1:11:09oh i'm sorry i read that one from tammy
1:11:11already let's see
1:11:15she was choked unconscious and then
1:11:17smothered
1:11:19um now did i the only thing i disagree
1:11:22with
1:11:22is that she i think the official cause
1:11:26of death is as fiction asphyxiation
1:11:29right um where that means that your
1:11:32air flow was stopped somehow it doesn't
1:11:36necessarily mean that you were smothered
1:11:38um so by when you're choking someone
1:11:40their flow of air is stopped and
1:11:42therefore the cause of death might be
1:11:45um smothering or no what is it called is
1:11:49it asphyxiation when you're
1:11:50when your air stops um dr b are you
1:11:53still out there
1:11:54um do you know i i i don't know
1:11:57but i think that i've heard that um what
1:12:00do you think sarah do you know
1:12:03i'm sorry i wasn't i was reading the
1:12:04chat i wasn't listening
1:12:06okay
1:12:10um no they're kind of just chatting
1:12:12amongst themselves
1:12:14on that okay okay
1:12:18strangle sprangling and choking wrangled
1:12:20her on a wares
1:12:24there's a big difference between
1:12:25strangling and choking and we're cutting
1:12:27off the flow
1:12:28to the blood right absolutely yeah
1:12:31oh definitely but i think that when you
1:12:34do cut off
1:12:35layla are you like me i google terrible
1:12:38things when i'm writing
1:12:39i'm trying to like i google one time how
1:12:41to kill the president when i was writing
1:12:43a dystopian book um
1:12:45but yeah do you know when they say
1:12:48strangled and
1:12:49choking um which is a blood choke
1:12:53okay dave it's not 1.5 seconds to choke
1:12:57somebody unconscious
1:12:58ooh i belie there's no way it's 1.5
1:13:02seconds
1:13:04hmm you know i have to go tend to my pup
1:13:07and get an eye drop because i'm trying
1:13:08to deal with this
1:13:09um during the confession he mentions
1:13:12that he and shanann
1:13:13had sex several times why right
1:13:18right i mean is he simply trying to
1:13:20prove that he was still in love with
1:13:22her and therefore don't blame me you
1:13:25know
1:13:26was that ever in any reports just him
1:13:28here so
1:13:29if that's true they would have done some
1:13:32i mean was there any
1:13:36anything found was there semen found i
1:13:39don't know
1:13:40i don't want no but was there if he kept
1:13:43saying that would that wouldn't you
1:13:44think they would
1:13:45have to like or i don't know maybe they
1:13:48just didn't because that's her husband i
1:13:49don't know
1:13:50i don't know yeah you're right i would
1:13:52have to check that
1:13:54right and she wasn't thrown into the oil
1:13:56so she might still have dna
1:13:58samples on her um because it wasn't that
1:14:01many days later and i wonder if they
1:14:02checked under her nails from scratches
1:14:04of his skin i've always thought that the
1:14:07girls
1:14:08i've always asked has there been any
1:14:10nail scrapes done
1:14:11i don't know if you're being choked i'm
1:14:14scratching the hell out of somebody
1:14:16i'm i'm scratching his arms i'm
1:14:17scratching somewhere did he have any
1:14:19scratches on him
1:14:20on his arms i know he had one right
1:14:22behind like his ear
1:14:24i see i can see his back on his neck so
1:14:26i know there was
1:14:27one on his neck behind like his ear
1:14:30um dave sent me um an attachment
1:14:34i don't want to open it because it might
1:14:35oh it's on youtube it'll start playing
1:14:37um but it's the 1.5 second standing
1:14:39sleeper choke hold
1:14:41i've heard that before when we were kids
1:14:43again um
1:14:45you know my cousin michael his brother
1:14:46mark his little brother
1:14:48he was taking like taekwondo or
1:14:50something he told us about
1:14:52um he learned from the older boys in
1:14:53class how to actually
1:14:55knock someone out and i won't tell you
1:14:57how to do it but it's a certain place
1:14:58you press your thumb
1:15:00and they're gone yeah right away
1:15:03right um and so he was daring us to
1:15:06let him choke us no we were
1:15:10surprised that we were smart enough not
1:15:11to do it but um i don't know is that
1:15:14correct is that there is such a thing
1:15:16the chokehold um thank you dave
1:15:19so you you might be correct um
1:15:23oh water oh okay we're talking about our
1:15:25pups
1:15:26sorry um
1:15:29yes what cher said if someone is choking
1:15:32you you're fighting and scratching and
1:15:33kicking
1:15:33and hopefully collecting dna beneath
1:15:35your fingernails um
1:15:37now i think i think that she might have
1:15:40been asleep
1:15:41when he attacked her the first time um
1:15:45oh okay look at dave on top of it thanks
1:15:48steve
1:15:49yeah i know he's sending me stuff that's
1:15:51awesome i'll read it all after we uh
1:15:53after we close here um so yeah there
1:15:56there's
1:15:57so many i don't know why are we still
1:16:00talking about this case why are we all
1:16:01so fascinated with it i don't know
1:16:04um there are so many
1:16:07i don't know how old i don't know if i'm
1:16:09dating myself but do you remember those
1:16:11books where you could like
1:16:13um you read through it and you kind of
1:16:15like choose your own
1:16:16path type things
1:16:20it's almost like that because this case
1:16:23is so
1:16:24left open it really leaves it where
1:16:27it's any possibility to this right we've
1:16:31got the paranormal side we've got
1:16:33conspiracy theories galore
1:16:36it's just it could really be anything
1:16:38and that's probably what's drawing
1:16:40everybody in and making everything so
1:16:42everything you know it's so bizarre um
1:16:45one of those cases and again when
1:16:47children are involved
1:16:48i you know jump right on it to see what
1:16:50we can do
1:16:51um to fix it i know you can't fix it but
1:16:54i mean to
1:16:55write some of the wrongs i don't know um
1:16:57yes you can pass out quickly our camp
1:16:59counselor showed us and we all
1:17:01did it someone held our necks and we
1:17:04boom we
1:17:04oh my gosh katie people actually allow
1:17:08this to happen to children
1:17:10oh no oh jd yes i i was thinking about
1:17:13that recently that it you know it is
1:17:15it's coming up on the anniversary
1:17:17um and that's why anniversaries and
1:17:21stuff for things like that
1:17:22actually tell me a lot like i said i'll
1:17:24be watching very closely what
1:17:25what all of the family on both sides do
1:17:29what the friends are doing and
1:17:30and what's going on that will also tell
1:17:32a lot to me
1:17:34um and does nicole come out next month
1:17:36like i don't i i don't know
1:17:38it'll tell me a lot though
1:17:42do anything yeah okay that's what we
1:17:44were talking about um
1:17:46i wonder if nk busted cw
1:17:49busting him having sex since that is
1:17:51what couples will do after being
1:17:53separated
1:17:54uh and nk went ballistic okay
1:17:57oh i don't know i don't know
1:18:03oh i don't know
1:18:06but how could she do that if she wasn't
1:18:08you know did she go to the house
1:18:10but then again there have been an awful
1:18:12lot of people
1:18:13or chris and nk have said
1:18:17that oh she was only in the house once
1:18:18or twice once or twice that's it in the
1:18:20house once or twice um
1:18:22and i think that even sometimes they say
1:18:24it when they haven't been prompted to
1:18:26say something like that
1:18:28am i wrong i'm probably wrong i'm always
1:18:30no
1:18:32yeah why does she keep bringing that up
1:18:34i don't know i do not know
1:18:36um the family of shanann her dad did an
1:18:39interview last
1:18:40year for the anniversary um about not
1:18:42talking about the case right
1:18:44right um and again i
1:18:47i don't know i don't know i th that's
1:18:49kind of a double-edged sword or whatever
1:18:51i don't want
1:18:52i certainly don't want the families to
1:18:54get hurt by what i do
1:18:56um which is one of the reasons i wrote
1:18:58the book so that
1:18:59they can get some comfort out of you
1:19:01know what i'm trying to tell everyone
1:19:03um um tanya how when you wrote that book
1:19:07um
1:19:08i'm not sure if i've asked you or maybe
1:19:10i did on the phone privately
1:19:12did you get any flack at all from the
1:19:15watts
1:19:16side or shanann side or frankie
1:19:19so everybody was totally fine with it
1:19:21they were fine with that yeah i even um
1:19:23you know i've talked to one of the
1:19:24family members
1:19:26um directly and they were you know fine
1:19:28with it there's no
1:19:29um you know the race sex and what i did
1:19:32too was i
1:19:33tried to bring the families together um
1:19:36and one thing i
1:19:37did intentionally was that i made a
1:19:39character who looks like jamie watts and
1:19:41she's a female
1:19:42and um but she would be doing what
1:19:44frankie would be doing
1:19:46um and so i can made it you know a bunch
1:19:49of people into one person including
1:19:50nicole atkinson's actions
1:19:52um i made a character versus shenan's
1:19:56sister actually or sandy in my book is
1:19:58sandy sorry
1:19:59um it's her sister jill and again she's
1:20:01a composite of several different
1:20:03real-life characters and
1:20:05um i i wanted the families to know how
1:20:08similar they are and how much
1:20:09um i want them to bury the hatchet and
1:20:12and
1:20:13you know become friends and grieve
1:20:15together that would be ideal
1:20:17right because they're both they're both
1:20:18victims they're completely victims
1:20:20you know all around they're nobody's a
1:20:22bad guy in those two families
1:20:24except for the man who's locked up you
1:20:26know and we all need
1:20:28for some reason i i don't know what it
1:20:29is but we all
1:20:31turn everything in like we all want a
1:20:34bad guy
1:20:35right we all cling on to that so
1:20:38i don't know what it is but we all like
1:20:40we all we all just
1:20:42need that we need that one person that
1:20:44we're gonna hate so chris watts
1:20:46is in prison right so who are we going
1:20:47to aim that at
1:20:49i know definitely lindy watts
1:20:52and nicole kessinger even nicole
1:20:55atkinson
1:20:55[ __ ] i even thought sorry for my crunch
1:20:58i even thought that nate the neighbor
1:21:00could have been involved in some ways
1:21:01like i've had so many different theories
1:21:04in my head
1:21:06just so crazy i just don't like yeah we
1:21:08always have to have
1:21:09that one bad guy that we all have to go
1:21:12we
1:21:16and even this is what i was saying about
1:21:18bullying yesterday that um
1:21:20that's what we do on social media too we
1:21:22pick a bad guy
1:21:23and we go after them people are people
1:21:27you know and
1:21:28if you're not a psychopathic
1:21:31killer then you're probably a good
1:21:33pretty good person my
1:21:35my attorney told me um last year when i
1:21:38had all the bullies come at me
1:21:39um and then it was all started by one
1:21:42guy um who i was actually writing book
1:21:44for
1:21:44he said to me the reason that you're so
1:21:47trusting
1:21:47is because most people we meet are not
1:21:51going to be crazy then they're not going
1:21:52to be mean and they're not going to be
1:21:54bullies and but then when you run into
1:21:56one you
1:21:57expect them to be like everyone else and
1:21:59not be
1:22:00bad in nature so i think that um
1:22:04you know that kind of tells me why i
1:22:06like everyone and nobody is you know i
1:22:08haven't
1:22:09found out that someone out there is a
1:22:11psychopath but um
1:22:12so yeah i don't know where i started
1:22:14with that story but i just kept talking
1:22:15um
1:22:17like that share we all need a villain
1:22:19definitely the shadow archetype
1:22:21archetype absolutely um
1:22:26yes yes who is she hmm what are we
1:22:29talking about
1:22:33um
1:22:36real justice senses love everyone um
1:22:39what is he
1:22:40um in witness protection or something
1:22:45he's so funny um do you know him in real
1:22:49life
1:22:50are committees girl or are you him
1:22:53hey bumble true crime true seeker um
1:22:56i'm kidding i'm kidding our communities
1:22:58girl i love you um
1:23:00trying to say thank you ladies i hope
1:23:01you're both well i hope you're well too
1:23:03good to see you thank you
1:23:08aim it at chris thank you he was an
1:23:11emotionally and psychologically abusive
1:23:13piece of whatever trust me
1:23:16yes okay let me do you know
1:23:20do you know the what did you know
1:23:21shanann um if you did i'd love to have
1:23:24you on my show i'd love to have you on
1:23:25my show even if you didn't because i
1:23:27like your um i like your theories
1:23:29um i'd like to have anyone on my show
1:23:31and i know that a girl
1:23:33from my audience wanted to be on the
1:23:34other day but she couldn't make it that
1:23:35day
1:23:36then that's fine you know whatever i
1:23:38think cher came on hi
1:23:39tanya thanks for having me oh gosh thank
1:23:42you for watching that is so cool
1:23:44um and i you know let's see here
1:23:48she wasn't supposed to be here okay i
1:23:50know what you're talking about now which
1:23:51is why i went back to this
1:23:52um she wasn't supposed to be there i
1:23:54think
1:23:56chris was saying and then there she was
1:23:58under my hands
1:24:00there in the room with me why is she
1:24:01here and he was talking about shanann
1:24:03that it seemed as if all of a sudden she
1:24:05appeared why was she there
1:24:07um because he wants to show how clouded
1:24:09his mind was
1:24:11um that boom there was this woman he was
1:24:14strangling all of a sudden that's that's
1:24:15what i took that as
1:24:16to mean um cw does not feel like the
1:24:20villain type but he
1:24:22is i know um
1:24:25yeah that's one thing we all have a hard
1:24:27time wrapping our minds around
1:24:28again his family is wonderful um
1:24:32and they raised a wonderful daughter why
1:24:34would their son
1:24:36be you know out there being a sociopath
1:24:39but
1:24:40again someone mentioned that um i think
1:24:43was on a facebook forum
1:24:44that he's got a disorder just like
1:24:47someone who has diabetes or heart
1:24:48disease um
1:24:49he has a disorder which is um what is it
1:24:52called the antisocial personality
1:24:54disorder
1:24:55potentially he might also be on the
1:24:57autism spectrum
1:24:58or instead of having the anti-social
1:25:00personality disorder
1:25:02but something has made him not be able
1:25:04to connect with
1:25:05what is good and what is evil and i
1:25:07don't know i've never really heard of
1:25:09people who are on the opposite side
1:25:13um no i've been a caregiver
1:25:17for many different adults children
1:25:21male female of all different types of
1:25:24disabilities a learning disabilities all
1:25:26the way up to alzheimer's dementia
1:25:28and things like that when people have
1:25:32any kind of disabilities or learning
1:25:35disabilities
1:25:38they i'm not sure how it happens but
1:25:40they are
1:25:41very very strong when they are
1:25:44angry um i don't know if any of you guys
1:25:47in the chat have ever been a caregiver
1:25:50or
1:25:51anything like that it's it's just the
1:25:53truth and it's even in our training
1:25:55um it's almost like they're missing some
1:25:57senses so other senses take over
1:26:00but the strength that people have
1:26:02especially when they're
1:26:03angry with people who are not mentally
1:26:06stable
1:26:07and then and i mean that in a nice way
1:26:08but who have disabilities
1:26:11um are very very strong
1:26:14so you know if he really did have the
1:26:17disabilities i could actually see
1:26:19i think he would have the anger and the
1:26:21strength done to
1:26:23do the crime by himself okay
1:26:27true no i i agree um
1:26:30there doesn't need to be there doesn't
1:26:32seem to be like
1:26:34oh sorry
1:26:39there doesn't seem to be a disconnect
1:26:40with chris and empathy
1:26:42there does rather i'm so sorry that
1:26:44completely changed the sentence um
1:26:46but no they're they're you're correct he
1:26:48doesn't seem to know
1:26:50that when he talks about putting his
1:26:51kids in the oil well
1:26:53in the same tone of voice that he talked
1:26:55about um making his lunch that day
1:26:58um there's something wrong with him and
1:27:01you know
1:27:02even in his interview from february of
1:27:05last year
1:27:06he um just sounded so flat when he told
1:27:09the story and
1:27:10and he would say things like you know i
1:27:12i knew it was good or not
1:27:14he didn't say i know it was bad but he'd
1:27:15say things like
1:27:17say words of his emotions or that his
1:27:19his um
1:27:20his person cannot portray
1:27:24outwardly he has to say the words like
1:27:26you know i know it was a bad thing or it
1:27:28was you know horrible i wish i could
1:27:29take it back
1:27:30rather than just sitting there and
1:27:31bawling like most people would be doing
1:27:34if they really had a break with the
1:27:35reality
1:27:36and they killed their whole family um
1:27:38and then he mentions that he's got
1:27:39pictures of his family up in his
1:27:41cell right that's so wrong
1:27:45i know and not only is it wrong i mean i
1:27:48i do sort of hope that he looks at her
1:27:50you know and the babies over and over
1:27:52again um
1:27:53but i i don't know the way he tells it
1:27:56several times as if um
1:28:00it needs to be told if he had the
1:28:01pictures up for himself why wouldn't he
1:28:04just not talk about it you're not going
1:28:05to hear about where i've got all my
1:28:07family pictures hanging in my house you
1:28:08know
1:28:09that to me is like giving a serial
1:28:12killer his
1:28:13trophy to hang on to while he's in
1:28:14prison
1:28:16you're right you're right um sir i took
1:28:19care of my fiance he is paranoid
1:28:20schizophrenic
1:28:21and when he is in psychosis he
1:28:24has hulk strength okay out of nowhere
1:28:28it's bizarre to see
1:28:29so yes it can become very strong
1:28:31interesting yes
1:28:33um cwu was for sure
1:28:36autism borderline asperger's right he
1:28:39may
1:28:40he may very well be on the spectrum
1:28:42somewhere um
1:28:45autistic people have empathy and
1:28:46sympathy they're caring people
1:28:48cw is a psychopath right and and that's
1:28:51what i think too
1:28:52but being a psychopath would mean uh
1:28:55that you are
1:28:56um he was born that way sure i don't
1:28:59think there was anything in his
1:29:00upbringing
1:29:01that would cause him to become that way
1:29:06what if he got it from his mom right or
1:29:09from
1:29:10i don't know she seems really caring um
1:29:12i
1:29:13i don't see that with her i i see real
1:29:15emotions with cindy
1:29:16um and with his dad you know and of
1:29:19course jamie is wonderful
1:29:20um but i don't it could have come from
1:29:24his great-grandpa
1:29:25you know you don't we don't know and
1:29:28somehow he came out that way again it's
1:29:30like someone coming out with diabetes or
1:29:32something
1:29:33um from birth or you know the childhood
1:29:35diabetes whatever
1:29:36that is i'm sorry i don't know much
1:29:38about medical stuff um
1:29:40but you're born with it and therefore
1:29:43you can't help it but it's not a it's
1:29:45not a valid
1:29:47um it's not a valid argument in court
1:29:51you couldn't say
1:29:52well i've got um a psychopathology or
1:29:55what they call it now is
1:29:57anti-pers anti-social personality
1:29:59disorder
1:30:00you can't just say that you have that
1:30:02and therefore i yeah i
1:30:03had a right to kill at least you know at
1:30:05least my first family i don't know
1:30:07but um but it is a shame because it is
1:30:10an illness
1:30:11uh oh we were talking about that already
1:30:13sorry i try to pull up the
1:30:15bigger comments um
1:30:18my brother's autistic and asperger's on
1:30:21and something else he has no emotions
1:30:24doesn't know when you're joking at all
1:30:26but my brother
1:30:27don't doesn't show any emotions of any
1:30:29kind i thought he was gonna shoot people
1:30:31oh my gosh
1:30:33yeah i know um but i know that a lot of
1:30:35people on the spectrum
1:30:37what they it's not that they don't have
1:30:39the emotions i think they don't have the
1:30:40the communication skills to display the
1:30:43emotions the way we all do
1:30:45um and i also think they have a problem
1:30:48with communicating
1:30:49or reading cues um social cues
1:30:53um so if you're sad i wonder if people
1:30:55didn't go
1:30:56and try and support and help we got all
1:30:58these people riding for chris watts and
1:31:00trying to prove
1:31:02he had help or whatever where were
1:31:04people like this
1:31:05for let's say is anyone familiar with
1:31:07the gypsy rose case
1:31:10very much so yeah um
1:31:13her mom putting her through all that
1:31:14mental crap and then she still does
1:31:17prison time for
1:31:18having her mom killed her and
1:31:22basically being an accomplice i believe
1:31:24right or having this boy
1:31:25kill her mom i think she was convicted
1:31:27of murder because it was her plan
1:31:30that the boy now did was on the autism
1:31:32spectrum
1:31:34yeah yeah so is everyone so gung-ho to
1:31:38try and help chris and prove that chris
1:31:40didn't do this alone but we got
1:31:41this young girl from how old was she she
1:31:44was
1:31:45young when her mom started forcing her
1:31:47to to play autistic and i think she
1:31:49actually is on the spectrum
1:31:51as well so i mean listen to her talk it
1:31:53doesn't it doesn't show
1:31:55i don't think i don't think you can go
1:31:57through
1:31:58something like that and not come out
1:32:01being unstable and that's the truth even
1:32:04with myself was going through the trauma
1:32:06i've been through my life
1:32:07i don't think i'm not the same person i
1:32:11would be if i didn't go through that
1:32:12my brain it alters your brain it just
1:32:14does it alters the way you think
1:32:16you're always on guard it just it
1:32:18completely changes somebody
1:32:20so why would you fight for her do you
1:32:23know
1:32:24i'm curious to what people think about
1:32:26that case too so if everyone's trying to
1:32:27help chris watson that is a brutal crime
1:32:30where were the people i didn't see
1:32:31anyone talking about or supporting this
1:32:33poor girl who
1:32:35i think the mom deserved everything she
1:32:37got and that's my opinion
1:32:39well i think she they should have just
1:32:40ran away but she was terrified that
1:32:43their her mother would find her again
1:32:45because she ran to some friend's house
1:32:47you know the year before
1:32:48and her mom found her and took her home
1:32:50how awful that poor kid
1:32:52um so i kind of wish she would have just
1:32:54maybe stood up once during an interview
1:32:57and just started walking but
1:32:58you know she could have got beat then
1:33:00too um
1:33:02yeah that just it just sucks it just
1:33:04makes me curious how you
1:33:06how do a group of people like everybody
1:33:09here on youtube
1:33:10go and want to support like a chris
1:33:12watts or back him up but then where was
1:33:14everyone for a case like this poor child
1:33:16could have used
1:33:18half of people their help with it
1:33:22she could have used a lot of help and i
1:33:23think this is jailed her like a lot of
1:33:25children who are abused
1:33:27the system sometimes fails um he was an
1:33:30undiagnosed covert malignant narcissist
1:33:33thank you
1:33:33anya is it anya um he had lived under a
1:33:36false personality for years and yet for
1:33:38his entire life
1:33:40he had that mask on and he um was the
1:33:43good guy that everyone knows is the good
1:33:45guy who would
1:33:46never harm a fly or whatever um and then
1:33:49he was always pushed around and but that
1:33:51was the mask he developed
1:33:53that he realized everyone wants and
1:33:56expects to come out of him
1:33:58so and like lena said in her book um
1:34:01my daddy is a hero she said that um
1:34:04when a covert narcissist like this snaps
1:34:09you think oh my god you're not acting
1:34:10like yourself and what we don't realize
1:34:13is this is the true
1:34:15chris watts this is the true narcissist
1:34:17who's coming out now
1:34:19not the mask of the you know overall
1:34:22good guy who cares about everyone that
1:34:24he had been hiding behind for 36 years
1:34:26or whatever
1:34:27um so when we do he was a good guy
1:34:31and his and his mask is the bad guy
1:34:34no his mask is sorry his mask is the
1:34:37good guy that he wore for 35 years um
1:34:40but behind the mask was the true person
1:34:43he was and
1:34:44when you know again when shanann argued
1:34:47with him that night if they even did
1:34:48that
1:34:49i'm sure she realized oh my god this
1:34:51isn't my husband i don't know this
1:34:53terrible person in front of me but yet
1:34:55she
1:34:56did she knew the fake chris she didn't
1:34:59know the real chris so what we're seeing
1:35:00is the real chris
1:35:01in the end um because now he's gone back
1:35:04to being that all-around good guy
1:35:07and um you know studying his bible and
1:35:10i i don't know mm-hmm yep
1:35:13it's his mask you put it back on
1:35:16absolutely
1:35:17[Music]
1:35:21i agree with you doing well there too
1:35:24like he looks happy he looks content
1:35:26with the interviews i've seen
1:35:28with him in prison like and i think much
1:35:31like rhonda
1:35:32rhonda loved she would always call
1:35:34herself um
1:35:36she was famous she's famous behind bars
1:35:39funny
1:35:41famous and so i'm like i'm wondering if
1:35:44like
1:35:45is that how chris feels like now the
1:35:47light and stuff is finally on him
1:35:49because i swear he was a little bit
1:35:51jealous of shenan in her youtube
1:35:53channel i do i think
1:35:57and i think that he was um not
1:35:59necessarily
1:36:00if he's a covert narcissist he'd never
1:36:02show
1:36:03that narcissism you know but they're
1:36:06more dangerous than
1:36:07again like if you think about the drew
1:36:09peterson and stacy peterson case where
1:36:11he killed his wife and no one's ever
1:36:13found her but we're pretty darn sure he
1:36:15killed her
1:36:15um yeah because he killed his other wife
1:36:18um
1:36:18drew peterson was an over narcissist i
1:36:22mean he was right out there and um
1:36:24pretty disgusting and that's those kind
1:36:26of people we hate so those kind of
1:36:28people we say oh i
1:36:29clearly he was going to kill someone but
1:36:32not like someone like chris who's a
1:36:34covert
1:36:34narcissist murder um narcissist
1:36:38murder and narcissism
1:36:41go together o.j
1:36:44he's the biggest narcissist i've ever
1:36:47seen over
1:36:48right so that must i mean i'm curious if
1:36:51a study was done
1:36:53are they all oh no narcissists i'm sure
1:36:56they are
1:36:57um but it's more difficult to see on
1:36:59chris um
1:37:01please help thank you megan um sure i
1:37:04agree with you
1:37:05that it it alters our mind i've been an
1:37:08emotionally abusive relationship and i
1:37:10often put up a
1:37:12walk and hyper vigilant i am so sorry um
1:37:15mia i i didn't know that um it does and
1:37:19that's part of the thing that i started
1:37:21learning about
1:37:22about a year ago now they're gonna start
1:37:24um fighting in
1:37:25prisons the prison priest that i've
1:37:29talked to
1:37:30thinks that it's about oh was it 60 or
1:37:3380 percent
1:37:35i think he said 80 but we'll go with 60
1:37:39of women that are in prison
1:37:43have battered women's syndrome and they
1:37:46are
1:37:46fighting doctors are going in through
1:37:49prisons to try and help reduce sentences
1:37:51for women who have gone
1:37:53through trauma and abuse um all the way
1:37:55from childhood
1:37:56to adult in the relationships and stuff
1:37:59like that because it truly does mia
1:38:02it changes your mind it changes you
1:38:05forever
1:38:06you'll meet a lot of abused women who
1:38:09have been through
1:38:10physical and mental abuse and
1:38:1499 of them will say they'd rather
1:38:17be hit than to have the mental abuse
1:38:21because the mental crap stays with you
1:38:24and it's all you can think about all the
1:38:28time
1:38:32i mean yeah i would say it's a real
1:38:34thing i'm wondering do you think that
1:38:36um i i don't think it just happens for
1:38:39women maybe chris
1:38:40felt mentally abused and snapped i don't
1:38:44know
1:38:44i i know he felt very very controlled by
1:38:47his mother
1:38:48and then felt very very controlled by
1:38:50shanann
1:38:51i've always said it and i still stand by
1:38:53i think shenan
1:38:55had um a personality she used on youtube
1:38:59i think she was
1:38:59mean and very um
1:39:03well controlling to chris right when she
1:39:06wasn't filming and doing lives
1:39:09and maybe it was that mental abuse
1:39:14i don't know from his mom and from his
1:39:16wife i don't know but why get rid of
1:39:18your children too
1:39:19you know yeah yeah that i don't know
1:39:22yeah but i think he wouldn't have
1:39:24premeditated it if he if he did so
1:39:27he pre-meditated yeah definitely
1:39:30um share i agree with you that ultimate
1:39:32oh we already i'm sorry we already read
1:39:34that
1:39:35i think i you know my mind starts going
1:39:37after a while
1:39:40um
1:39:46unjustified high and justified facts
1:39:48share um and just why i still would love
1:39:50to have you on my show um
1:39:53if we can set up a date we can all get
1:39:55together and chat
1:39:56um yeah i'm justified this year she sure
1:40:00is what a lovely lady um
1:40:03arch and probably the only one on
1:40:05youtube worth over
1:40:08who what who's on youtube worth over
1:40:11600k
1:40:12um
1:40:17um fake teddy yes i will cover oj i've
1:40:20just taken a little
1:40:22um i've taken a little break off of
1:40:25youtube
1:40:26because of the bullying and things going
1:40:28on and i
1:40:29don't i don't like it um i don't like
1:40:32that i found myself
1:40:35crowd when i'm a leader not a follower
1:40:40so um i just took a little break and in
1:40:43about a week
1:40:43maybe less i'm going to start covering
1:40:47oj and even some of my theories on
1:40:49princess diana
1:40:50like i said i'm huge in the conspiracy
1:40:52theories and stuff like that
1:40:53um and huge and with my own research and
1:40:56advocating and helping others i do know
1:40:59corruption is very real
1:41:00so you know i believe a lot more of
1:41:03things that i come up with when i was
1:41:04little so
1:41:05yes if you subscribe to my channel and
1:41:07um i will be digging into oj very soon
1:41:11very cool i'm gonna step away and go get
1:41:13my monster dog
1:41:15out of yeah it's crazy um
1:41:18hold on
1:41:26oh yeah yeah we need to get you on on
1:41:28justified for sure
1:41:33i see israel not here
1:41:37or is fake teddy real
1:41:41hey jd you're awake girl good i'm glad
1:41:43you're here
1:41:50who was saying that nate's videos were
1:41:52fake you guys do you guys believe that
1:41:59oh the link i did drop it earlier um for
1:42:02my channel
1:42:03i'll have to put it on because i can't
1:42:04do it while i'm
1:42:06on the live stream
1:42:09so if you go to the comments of this
1:42:11video when it's uploaded i'll just drop
1:42:13my channel link
1:42:14for some reason it doesn't let her put
1:42:15it in there
1:42:20your attic is full of lady diana yeah um
1:42:23o.j simpson now i was about 10 years old
1:42:27i was born in 83
1:42:29and simpson was what 94-95
1:42:32and um that is the very first
1:42:36case that truly got me into following
1:42:39true crime i remember watching the
1:42:42bronco chase i remember
1:42:45you know as a child you kind of just i
1:42:47remember flashes of it but then
1:42:49going and following it as i got older
1:42:51and older and
1:42:53now um doing this i
1:42:57i watched a lot of documentary and done
1:42:59my own research into the case
1:43:01and found a bunch of stuff
1:43:04that um i think people should shed more
1:43:06of a light on
1:43:08like the documentary about the serial
1:43:10killer glenn rogers
1:43:16i've seen that the whole thing with
1:43:17stage that's one theory that i have read
1:43:20about
1:43:22be careful yeah be careful the juice is
1:43:23still alive and out there i know
1:43:25i know um
1:43:29hey guys sorry thank you cher for
1:43:32covering for me
1:43:34yes roseanne i will also put the link um
1:43:37to what is her i can't remember
1:43:39insightful carrie i believe
1:43:41um but i will drop the link to in the
1:43:43comments for this when she posts it
1:43:45um for that sidekick she because she was
1:43:47actually mirroring a lot of what tanya's
1:43:50friend paula was saying and i i was
1:43:52shocked that's cool yeah really cool um
1:43:55where is she located
1:43:58um well she's on youtube but she's also
1:44:01on my facebook but um
1:44:03i'm not where i'm not sure i think she's
1:44:04from kentucky or something like that oh
1:44:06okay
1:44:06okay interesting um yeah again sorry
1:44:10douche was in florida huh i love i'm in
1:44:13florida
1:44:13quite often so maybe i'll have to get a
1:44:16selfie with him or something
1:44:18uh huh i would be that crazy y'all
1:44:23you would
1:44:26what was all that nonsense of chris
1:44:28moving stuff from the
1:44:30lexus to the trunk the next day um
1:44:34did he oh yeah he did
1:44:38yeah and there's he must have been so
1:44:41shocked i mean if you've watched any
1:44:46any crime movie or read a crime novel
1:44:49he must have been so or even watched
1:44:51like 48 hours or um
1:44:53you know whatever any kind of a
1:44:54documentary about crime
1:44:56then i don't in the first 48 rather 48
1:44:59hours is about a different
1:45:00something else but uh or about anything
1:45:02actually but
1:45:03he must have been shocked about all the
1:45:06things that
1:45:07ellie let him do that normally
1:45:11you know he must have been thrilled but
1:45:14shocked
1:45:14i don't know to clean his house
1:45:18overnight get rid of all the evidence
1:45:21i don't know um jd asked a question how
1:45:24do we feel
1:45:26i'm sorry where is that jd share what do
1:45:29you
1:45:30what do you think about people slamming
1:45:31frankie bruzek
1:45:33i don't i don't like that i don't think
1:45:37any of the family members should be
1:45:40slammed like that i don't think when
1:45:41people do things like that
1:45:43they truly understand the damage that
1:45:46they're doing and
1:45:47and that it does hurt people you think
1:45:49that these people aren't online reading
1:45:51things about themselves or
1:45:52we know frankie is he's on youtube he's
1:45:55on facebook we know he's reading these
1:45:57things that people are saying we know
1:45:58he's listening
1:46:00and hearing and it's it's very messed up
1:46:02because
1:46:03um i've gotten in with families
1:46:06of high profile inmates and it truly
1:46:10hurts them
1:46:11rhonda's son john chandler he had only
1:46:14known
1:46:15certain things just from what he knows
1:46:17from the media
1:46:18not even from what he's been told from
1:46:20his mother or
1:46:21anybody or grandparents or anybody
1:46:24certain things that he knows about the
1:46:25case is
1:46:26only what he's known through the media
1:46:29so if he's going and reading all these
1:46:32nasty things that's all that he knows
1:46:34and it does hurt the family hearing
1:46:36rhonda's dad say
1:46:38that the day rhonda was locked up was
1:46:40the day that
1:46:41he also got a life sentence that
1:46:44breaks my heart these people don't heal
1:46:47i haven't talked to ronda's father in
1:46:50about six weeks or so
1:46:52and even up until about that
1:46:56time you can still hear the pain in his
1:46:59voice
1:47:00and rhonda's been in prison for 17 years
1:47:05um this only happened two years ago and
1:47:08you guys just talking about i mean
1:47:10it breaks my heart and the families need
1:47:12to be left alone
1:47:13i think there has to be some kind of
1:47:15middle ground because it is it's a true
1:47:17crime
1:47:18story we're all fascinated with it it's
1:47:21going to be
1:47:22talked about that is our right as human
1:47:24we get to have our thoughts and opinion
1:47:27and talk about it that's a great thing
1:47:29but i think there is a lot better ways
1:47:32of doing it than slamming people
1:47:34um half the time and half the things
1:47:36that people are talking about on here on
1:47:38youtube and social media we're not even
1:47:40talking about the case you guys
1:47:41everyone's just dogging each other
1:47:43because
1:47:43well your theory is wrong everyone has
1:47:45their own beliefs we can't change what
1:47:47other people
1:47:48are thinking or believing we can't why
1:47:51would we try
1:47:52i don't care i don't care if you think
1:47:54that aliens abducted the watts family i
1:47:56really don't
1:47:57i mean right that's a far out theory but
1:48:00it shows that you're caring about what
1:48:02happened to this poor family it shows
1:48:04that you're
1:48:04creative in your mind and you're looking
1:48:06for answers and for all of that
1:48:09i agree with you yeah right yeah um
1:48:12but yet some people can't i don't know
1:48:14why they fight over
1:48:16theories about a murder case that wasn't
1:48:18our you know in our own family
1:48:20and certainly i i feel so terrible for
1:48:23little frank little
1:48:24young frankie um i don't know how young
1:48:26he really is he might be about your age
1:48:27share but i don't know
1:48:29um he's a boy to me he's a boy anyone
1:48:33thirty it's just a boy to me
1:48:34but um he didn't ask for any of this
1:48:37and um well people may not agree with
1:48:41what the family is doing that's not our
1:48:42business how the family is dealing with
1:48:45their own situation they are the only
1:48:47rights that have
1:48:49the only people that have the rights to
1:48:50truly be doing what they want saying
1:48:52what they want feeling how they want
1:48:53right
1:48:53we don't have really those rights but we
1:48:56do
1:48:57um we can't be bashing the family
1:49:00there's got to be a better way to talk
1:49:01about this
1:49:02but not be bashing frankie did not ask
1:49:04to lose his nieces his future nephew his
1:49:07sister
1:49:08he didn't ask for any of that the
1:49:10families didn't ask for any of this
1:49:12and why anyone would bash anyone i've
1:49:14heard things say like well how could
1:49:16nan's mom just let nikki walk how could
1:49:18you that's her daughter you're letting
1:49:20the mistress go how could you do that
1:49:21well
1:49:22did you ever think about maybe they all
1:49:24have the proof that it wasn't nicole
1:49:27because why wouldn't she want that
1:49:30person convict like
1:49:31people are looking at it all wrong and i
1:49:34agree
1:49:35whether however you think about it we
1:49:38don't have the business to be
1:49:39bashing somebody that just lost an
1:49:41entire family
1:49:43chris is gone locked up never walking
1:49:45out of that prison
1:49:46alive as far as i'm concerned and
1:49:49shanann's gone
1:49:50and and the girls are gone and the sun
1:49:52that was on the way
1:49:53is gone there's a whole family gone i
1:49:55know
1:49:56why are we bashing the mom the dad and
1:49:59all of them like
1:50:00there's got to be a better way where we
1:50:01can talk about our theories and we're
1:50:03not
1:50:04bashing or you're hurting these people
1:50:08and after two years like i said
1:50:11cliff he was it's 17 years later
1:50:15and when you hear this man talk a man's
1:50:18man who works on a ranch has a ranch a
1:50:21real true cowboy and you hear a man like
1:50:24that crying because his baby girl is
1:50:26locked up and he's still not over it and
1:50:27he's crying like the day that she was
1:50:30arrested
1:50:31um that's not right no
1:50:35you can't you can't be doing that to the
1:50:36family
1:50:38right and i know that um people have
1:50:40been
1:50:41bashing frankie i don't want anyone to
1:50:42bash anyone um
1:50:44frankie is very vocal about it he's very
1:50:46vocal about stopping the rumors about nk
1:50:49being involved and things like that
1:50:51but that's okay again you know it he's
1:50:54lashing out
1:50:56i believe because he's hurt i mean that
1:50:58kid is so hurt
1:50:59and that family deserves true justice
1:51:02and i
1:51:03again i agree with you that if you have
1:51:06frank senior telling us that he has
1:51:08stuff that we don't have
1:51:10and he knows the truth and we don't know
1:51:12and then his son is saying nk was not
1:51:14involved
1:51:15stop that um i think that's pretty much
1:51:18true
1:51:19you know i think the right victims yeah
1:51:21parents
1:51:22would certainly know if there is any
1:51:24evidence to
1:51:26release nk from um any suspicion
1:51:29they would be the ones who had it um so
1:51:33you know that's why one of the reasons i
1:51:35don't understand why
1:51:36we keep going on with this dnk do it but
1:51:39you know trent possibly being involved
1:51:40after the fact that
1:51:42he would be um not a not a not an
1:51:45accessory to the crime but he
1:51:46accomplished the accomplice after the
1:51:50accomplice yeah it depends did he help
1:51:54move the bodies did he
1:51:56did he help like how far into it did he
1:51:58know did he even really help i don't
1:52:00know
1:52:01i don't know either no not at all um
1:52:05but again i i'm not gonna blame frankie
1:52:07for being um
1:52:08very emotional about the death of his
1:52:10beautiful sister and his grant his
1:52:12nieces and
1:52:12nephew unborn nephew um i
1:52:16no there's no way but again he's he
1:52:19should not be mean to other people
1:52:22like the youtubers and all that um poor
1:52:25kid i mean
1:52:26it's kind of like if my daughter were to
1:52:27do something like that because she's
1:52:29grieving over you know my dad passing
1:52:31away who you know he did a
1:52:32little while ago or a few years ago um i
1:52:35i don't blame frankie for anything i
1:52:38feel terrible for him
1:52:40but um we need to all try not to hurt
1:52:43everybody you know
1:52:44anybody really and the watts family
1:52:46they're lovely people they
1:52:48and i i get so mad when people are mad
1:52:49at cindy again for
1:52:51supposedly bashing shenan she's not
1:52:53she's talking about
1:52:55the things that her and shinan disputed
1:52:58about
1:52:58and again it's something that
1:53:02all families have arguments and disputes
1:53:04and they think that
1:53:06this family member is doing something
1:53:07wrong and cindy is simply telling the
1:53:10human side of the story and
1:53:12you know she's a wonderful lady and
1:53:13don't hate her for that
1:53:15don't hate frankie for lashing out at
1:53:17the youtubers
1:53:18um but again i you know i don't know
1:53:20it's a really
1:53:23kind of a tightrope to walk when you
1:53:24know when we know we see frankie's
1:53:26hurting so badly
1:53:28but yet you know he'll say things to
1:53:29people like mia it hurt her feeling
1:53:32mia is a wonderful woman i mean she
1:53:35doesn't have a mean bone in her body and
1:53:37and you know i don't know
1:53:38i don't know i wish frankie would stop
1:53:40it but i understand where he's coming
1:53:41from
1:53:42i really do um and i feel terrible for
1:53:44him
1:53:45uh we live 30 minutes from john travolta
1:53:49you see him at walmart oh how funny you
1:53:51think teddy ron travolta is one of my
1:53:53favorite actors
1:53:54yeah i used to see donia well i lived in
1:53:56southern california
1:53:58um and i worked at toys r us when i was
1:53:59a teenager and we would see donny osmond
1:54:02would come in like
1:54:03all the time i mean like all the time
1:54:06that was funny
1:54:07and my mother actually had um
1:54:10who was it scott baio no not his son
1:54:14willie ames scott bail and willie ames
1:54:16used to go to my mother's preschool
1:54:18because williams kid was
1:54:19in her class so it's kind of funny but
1:54:22unjustified look at the light
1:54:24when chris leaves it should have been
1:54:26twilight
1:54:27and it wasn't um the sun was already
1:54:30breaking
1:54:31i don't know but twilight you know when
1:54:34the sun comes up
1:54:35because god knows i've been up typing at
1:54:37that time in the morning
1:54:38um it does start getting lighter before
1:54:40you actually see that red sun
1:54:42and depending on you know what part of
1:54:43the country you're in yeah
1:54:45um don't i mean you do notice it starts
1:54:49getting lighter out there and the birds
1:54:50start chirping and
1:54:51um it gets lighter before the sun
1:54:53actually comes
1:54:54up into our sky so that's what i think
1:54:58i got a um i got a youtube buddy that
1:55:01was actually
1:55:02just spent the night um he spent a day
1:55:04and a night in flagstaff
1:55:06actually just last week so i should i
1:55:09should ask him
1:55:11if he was up early enough like how uh
1:55:14you should you should um yes they were
1:55:17following him alexis was parked up the
1:55:18street
1:55:19what what i saw a picture of that
1:55:23earlier
1:55:24yeah um really i gotta look more into
1:55:26that one though yeah
1:55:30does anyone find it odd that none of
1:55:32nk's friends or acquaintances have
1:55:34shared anything
1:55:35no if she has good enough friends that
1:55:39actually truly care about her they're
1:55:41not going to share anything i mean my
1:55:42best friend could
1:55:44um i don't want to say like kill
1:55:46somebody but i mean i would
1:55:48i would if if my best friend was nicole
1:55:52and i loved her and i cared for her i my
1:55:55mouth would be shut
1:55:56right means too um yeah and i think
1:56:00that um yeah because they don't want to
1:56:01be involved with the rat race i'm sure
1:56:04they don't want to be dragged through
1:56:05the mud like jim has been poor guy
1:56:07um but yeah i don't i don't think i'd
1:56:10say anything either i
1:56:11you know i don't know um yeah who would
1:56:14you talk to like reporters or no that
1:56:16could be it too
1:56:17yeah you would be talking to reporters
1:56:18and then you have your name out there
1:56:19and your family is being
1:56:21all put into this and like do you really
1:56:23i don't think a lot of people want to
1:56:24sign up especially
1:56:25to be interjected into this this
1:56:28specific
1:56:29story and crime i don't think anyone's
1:56:31going to sign up for that no
1:56:33um you have to physically go into the
1:56:37what what what is that youtube creator
1:56:40you can turn off notifications it would
1:56:42help i don't know what you were talking
1:56:43about guys sorry i get
1:56:44caught in the middle of a conversation
1:56:46um thank you chad for
1:56:47rocking the tightrope so politely oh
1:56:50yeah everyone
1:56:51actually angelina you're right
1:56:52everyone's been pretty darn nice tonight
1:56:54that's great um
1:56:56the rusex don't owe anyone anything
1:56:58that's true they do not
1:57:00um until i see proof that nk wasn't
1:57:02involved i have nothing else to
1:57:04speculate on except her own words
1:57:07and phone records that i find very
1:57:09telling
1:57:10oh my gosh and just we have to come on
1:57:11here and we have to talk about our yeah
1:57:13and i totally understand that because i
1:57:16i see both sides um
1:57:17with me i want to see that that proof
1:57:20and stuff in my face to
1:57:21to tell me she was there unjustified so
1:57:24exactly what you're saying but
1:57:26vice versa so i totally understand that
1:57:28yeah
1:57:29and we have different opinions and we
1:57:31can all still be friends you know
1:57:32i'm justified i loved your um video you
1:57:35made about the bullying last week i'm so
1:57:37sorry that you were a victim of that too
1:57:39um i was listening and watching videos
1:57:42as i was going along my week even though
1:57:43you know i took the week off of
1:57:44talking to people at people
1:57:48myself but i loved that video um you're
1:57:50very
1:57:51wonderful person um let's see here
1:57:55did dr b leave us i hope not
1:57:59dr b thank you um for your video about
1:58:02the bullying too
1:58:03it's gone too far this is really silly
1:58:06that there's not been a nicer person you
1:58:08know than
1:58:09dr b and you know whatever everybody
1:58:11else is being bullied out there
1:58:13and the rusek family they're they're
1:58:15amazing people and the watts family
1:58:16they're amazing people and
1:58:18why would you go out of your way to be
1:58:20actually mean
1:58:21to someone to anyone you know we're here
1:58:25to follow true crime and
1:58:26true like high profile cases
1:58:30and everybody putting their theories and
1:58:32their thoughts out there right so
1:58:34why are we so damn worried about each
1:58:36other and
1:58:37each other's lives and things like that
1:58:40like
1:58:40none of you guys are paying my bills or
1:58:43my phone bill my internet bill none of
1:58:45that
1:58:46so why do you care so damn much right
1:58:48right right and
1:58:49you know and like i said some people
1:58:51actually
1:58:52with the gray garden thing they went so
1:58:54far as to find out what my husband's
1:58:55middle name is
1:58:57they went they took um maybe it's from
1:59:00google earth they
1:59:02posted photos of my house aerial photos
1:59:05of my house
1:59:08yeah um and they went on linkedin and my
1:59:12brother and my husband look
1:59:13identical they look like brothers
1:59:15actually like twins and
1:59:17they went on there and found my brother
1:59:19and my husband and they decided
1:59:21that um they're the same person just
1:59:23some actor i hired to play both my
1:59:25brother
1:59:26and my husband oh my god i'm so
1:59:29diabolical like that
1:59:30yeah i've read some weird weird
1:59:34things too that the true crime
1:59:37just brings out not only to your crime
1:59:40any time you put yourself
1:59:42out there i think um anytime you put
1:59:44yourself down
1:59:45i've got a really big personality and
1:59:47you do too
1:59:48um and we don't mind doing that we don't
1:59:51mind jumping into the
1:59:52you know into the middle of the ring or
1:59:54whatever but anytime you do that
1:59:56people aren't going to understand you
1:59:58they're going to think what is up with
2:00:00this girl you know she
2:00:01uh she needs to pick sides yeah that's
2:00:04gotta be fake you know no
2:00:06no no i mean everybody on youtube again
2:00:09even miss mensah she seems like a nice
2:00:10lady
2:00:11um she has a very different theory than
2:00:13anything i would ever dabble with but
2:00:15um she has a place you know just dr b
2:00:18said that and that that really stuck to
2:00:20my brain
2:00:21um that even though i don't like her
2:00:23theories i
2:00:24so what you know and i hope no listening
2:00:26or we don't watch
2:00:28is all right you just don't watch it if
2:00:30you think they're way off the wall just
2:00:31don't watch them you know
2:00:33um they're not going to change the
2:00:35unfortunately
2:00:36no one is going to change the results of
2:00:38this conviction of chris
2:00:40um unless they can they have a
2:00:43really good attorney or even some young
2:00:46you know cracker deck attorney
2:00:47who can look into all the statutes and
2:00:49try to figure out a loophole where
2:00:51chris can get a second trial or get an
2:00:53appeal um
2:00:55i don't think he needs it though i think
2:00:56he did it i really do
2:00:58um but that's it um let's see here you
2:01:00want to i think we're going to wrap here
2:01:02a bit i've got to go
2:01:04like 12 right now anyway so
2:01:07right right what is this that's crazy
2:01:08time it freaks me out about even
2:01:10publishing my book
2:01:11oh now your book is going to be awesome
2:01:12just make sure
2:01:15i know i can't wait um just you know
2:01:18make sure that maybe
2:01:19the mistake i made was that even though
2:01:22you know i'm an author and i
2:01:23want people to read my book and give me
2:01:24reviews i put myself
2:01:26out there quite a bit and i know you
2:01:28might too i don't know but be careful
2:01:31be careful with that because they think
2:01:32they know you um
2:01:34and they think that it's a more personal
2:01:37thing i don't know why but authors are
2:01:39really accessible
2:01:40to the public um and a lot of other
2:01:43people in entertainment are not i guess
2:01:44so that's what i've always figured
2:01:46as to why we're stalked and ridiculed
2:01:49and whatever whatever
2:01:50um i stopped you you did oh yeah
2:01:53people like cher will stalk you you will
2:01:57get voices stalking you
2:01:58there we go um thank you all
2:02:02victim yes victim bashing is morally
2:02:05wrong
2:02:05absolutely oh my god and so i know
2:02:08you're talking about guy mentioned miss
2:02:09mensah um
2:02:11uh that's true but she doesn't know the
2:02:14truth you know um
2:02:15she's speculating and to a lot of people
2:02:17who are making the speculation about
2:02:19everything in this case
2:02:21it is a murder case to them it is not
2:02:23necessarily
2:02:24i don't know to me of course they're
2:02:27real people
2:02:28but a lot of people will look at it on
2:02:29the surface and say oh it's a murder
2:02:30case so i can say whatever i want
2:02:32and in the long run that's fine um
2:02:35just so that no one's hurt by it and um
2:02:38i fear that some people could push it
2:02:40too far where people are hurt by it
2:02:42um but i you know i've not seen anything
2:02:45um sorry mrs speaks very badly if she
2:02:48didn't okay i know
2:02:49i know i know i'm sorry um i don't you
2:02:52know i don't want to
2:02:53open a can of worms and i don't know her
2:02:56um
2:02:57ally's a stalker oh you can stalk me
2:02:59anytime
2:03:00stop share it's not me um but anyway
2:03:04guys yeah
2:03:05yeah anyway i think that
2:03:09true country seeker just plotting along
2:03:12oh okay
2:03:13yeah cher is awesome isn't she i love
2:03:16her
2:03:17i think you're awesome thank you she is
2:03:19awesome and justified and share
2:03:21um um what she accuses
2:03:24that you know that's if there are i
2:03:27don't know
2:03:28i'm saying nothing because i want to
2:03:30stay out of all conflicts and
2:03:32we are their own i love you guys and i
2:03:34love all your opinions just like um even
2:03:37though i know a lot of you don't agree
2:03:38with me
2:03:39but thank you for being here again if
2:03:41you comment
2:03:42and you subscribe you can comment either
2:03:45in the chat
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2:03:56i draw the winner um and everybody has
2:03:59equal
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2:04:02and subscribe of course
2:04:04and i will see you guys i don't know
2:04:07this is actually my birthday weekend so
2:04:08my daughter and husband have a lot of
2:04:10stuff planned we're gonna do
2:04:11um but i'll probably see you guys on
2:04:12monday tuesday i don't know we'll figure
2:04:15it out love you
2:04:15everyone thank you love you guys so much
2:04:18bye guys

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