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0:00where you're from where you were born
0:02where you lived and a little bit of your
0:05background leading up to law enforcement
0:07please ma'am good morning everybody
0:10I was born in uh Charleston and South
0:13Carolina when I was about six months old
0:16my family moved back to England where we
0:19were originally from
0:20lived there until I was about three or
0:22four years old came back to Europe in
0:25Summerville South Carolina
0:27graduated from Somerville high school
0:29after I graduated I was working as a dog
0:33groomer met my would be my husband we
0:37moved to Port Royal South Carolina he
0:40was in the Marine Corps stationed at
0:43Parris Island at the time we moved to
0:45Bluffton we had decided um I decided to
0:50pursue law enforcement always been a
0:52true crime nerd um into Mysteries things
0:55like that so I decided to pursue law
0:57enforcement
0:58um I graduated from the South Carolina
1:00Criminal Justice Academy in 2010 and was
1:03working at the Bluffton Police
1:05Department where I held various roles
1:07been on patrol became a detective then I
1:11was promoted to a supervisor where I
1:14supervise a patrol shift and then
1:16eventually supervise the detective unit
1:18at Bluffton PD
1:20uh my husband and I decided we wanted a
1:22lot of kids so after I had my third
1:27um civilian job
1:28um get out of law enforcement for a
1:30little bit
1:31um with a better schedule
1:32so I briefly worked on Paris Island as a
1:35sexual assault victim especially
1:37investigations I first tried Beaufort
1:40police department but it would take
1:42several years for them to have an
1:43opening in criminal investigations so
1:46then I came to the Colleton county in
1:47September of 2020 and February 2021 I
1:51was transferred to the criminal
1:53investigation division where I currently
1:55am now
1:56I my main focus is child crimes which
2:00means children of sexual and physical
2:02abuse
2:04um those are the cases that I
2:05predominantly work as well I'm a South
2:07Carolina Ike Task Force member and what
2:11that means is it's uh internet crimes
2:13against children and that's a task force
2:15that's partnership with the General's
2:17office and we basically battle online
2:19child Predators child pornography those
2:22types of cases
2:23we do rotate homicides in the detective
2:27division among nine of us
2:30at some point did you work at Paris
2:32Island I did yes sir tell these folks
2:34what you did there I was a sexual victim
2:36advocate for civilians on the base
2:39and your training's hosted by other law
2:43enforcement agencies state and federal
2:46how many children do you have now we
2:48have four okay
2:49okay and uh does your husband work he
2:51does do you work at home he does
2:54he started full-time with Collington at
2:58one year 2020. okay and what was your
3:00role when you first started with
3:01Colleton County Sheriff's Department um
3:03I started on patrol to familiarize
3:05myself with the county
3:07and then did you work yourself or not or
3:10go but you become a detective I did it
3:12okay when was that February 2021
3:18on June 7th of 2021
3:21well let me ask the party get that where
3:23do you not to pry I don't want the world
3:25to know but they're going to where do
3:27you live I live in Ridgeland
3:29now on June 7th of 2021 was a small call
3:32I was okay how far is it from Ridgeland
3:37uh
3:38to here
3:3945 minutes to an hour depending on
3:43traffic and what part of Colleton County
3:45I'm going to did you receive a 4147
3:48Moselle Road
3:50but due to my Longhorn for the property
3:52and who were you coordinating with
3:54during that I mean who was your boss
3:56that's Captain Jason
3:59and after you'd received the call did
4:01you confer with Captain Chapman and a
4:04result of as a result of that what did
4:06you do
4:07your search warrant for the property
4:09okay and for 4147 Mazel yes sir what did
4:14you do after you got the search warrant
4:15I notified everybody over the road that
4:18I did I have a search warrant so
4:21solid crime scene unit was waiting on me
4:23um and it was still going to take some
4:24time to get out there
4:26and then I made my way to 4147 Moselle
4:29road with the warrant had she been out
4:31there before to 41-47 Mazel never
4:36when you went out there did you know
4:38what your role was going to be as you
4:40were going out there I did not
4:42when you got to the central
4:45um sled agents as well as college and
4:46County deputies
4:48um at the scene I was basically the last
4:49one there
4:51um and I met with my supervisor Captain
4:54Jason Chapman and presented them with
4:57the search warrant as well um
4:59he asked me if I knew the Murdoch family
5:03to which I replied I did not
5:06they then asked me if I was familiar
5:08with a boat accident that happened in
5:10Beaufort and my reply was I've heard of
5:14it but I don't know the details
5:16so with that information they said okay
5:18you're going to be assigned as the
5:20liaison with the Leeds case who was
5:23identified as senior special agent David
5:24Owen and that my task was going to be to
5:27assist him with anything he may need
5:29that that evening at the scene and
5:31throughout the investigation and I think
5:34we've heard a prior testimony but the
5:36case was going to be the lead Agency on
5:38the case and did you know special agent
5:41David Owens prior for that night I did
5:43not but she did you get to know him and
5:45actually get to work with himself I did
5:47yes sir
5:48and let's start out with that job when
5:51you first got so
5:53um the first thing as I approached the
5:55I'm sure you've all heard the kennels um
5:58was the overwhelming feat inside the
6:00plane of the door
6:02there was uh there was brain blood hair
6:05skull matter all within the feed room
6:08and the ceiling
6:10uh there was a deceased female
6:14approximately 30 feet across from where
6:18his body was and she was covered as well
6:22but um I had been told that they both
6:24had gunshot wounds to their heads
6:28Mr Alec Myrtle
6:30now did you know
6:33if I was referring to us Paul and Maggie
6:35did you know Paul Bernal and or Maggie
6:37Murdoch I did not lay in bed on the
6:39ground no
6:41uh Mr Murdoch Alec um standing at the
6:45back of the
6:47there was his
6:49um suburban and then there was um I
6:51believe his brother Randy had arrived at
6:53this and they were standing behind
6:54Randy's truck oh so they couldn't see
6:56the scene anymore so we approached him
6:59and asked if he would speak with us he
7:02introduced the man standing next to him
7:04as his personal attorney
7:05Danny Henderson and he agreed to speak
7:08with us by this point it started to rain
7:11so we utilized agent Owen's vehicle to
7:16do the interview
7:17to that that had you made any other
7:19observations about bullet holes or shell
7:21cases area and front and to the left on
7:24the ground in between there was like a
7:26gravel area in between the two buildings
7:29had you seen what's been referred to as
7:31the feed room and yes okay what did you
7:34observe in there inside the feed room I
7:37did observe body matter that had been on
7:40the ceiling as well as covered in items
7:43inside the feed room there was a shot
7:46concrete
7:47did you see me hold the room that had
7:50several holes in it
7:53I'll go skip
7:55I want to skip the statement for a
7:57second all right
7:58after you took the statement out we're
8:00going to get into that
8:01did you go back and
8:03um
8:05look at the scene with either Captain
8:07Chapman I say that she seen the shelters
8:10the dog kennel to tell the ladies and
8:12gentlemen first of all why do you did
8:13that and what were your observations
8:14please man well it was such a large
8:16scene
8:18um I decided to Canvas the outer part of
8:21the scene and while I was doing that
8:23keep in mind it was it was late at night
8:25it was dark so we had flashlights so
8:27while I was doing that
8:29um I noted some
8:31what appeared to me to be fresh shoe
8:34impressions in a Sandy part of the shed
8:37on the left side some tractors in the
8:40wall of the shed there was several fresh
8:43shoe Impressions and when you say fresh
8:47shoe impression kind of obviously what
8:49does that mean it had been left fairly
8:52recently what did they appear to you to
8:54be they look like a flat sandal
8:57flip-flop type shoe
8:59not particularly large in size is that
9:02were they one set of
9:04Footprints or two based on your
9:06observation it was one set of prints
9:09that looked like it went down One
9:10Direction and possibly came back
9:13no doubt about that in your mind no
9:15doubt about it so if you watch me know
9:16what was it like
9:18one set of prints going this way yes
9:22and then it looked like one set of
9:25prints coming back this way yes because
9:26they did overlap each other a little bit
9:29with you when you were looking at this I
9:31was by myself initially and then I found
9:34my supervisor Captain Chapman and and
9:36showed him what I had found
9:38thank you
9:40where we all walk walking when you were
9:42looking at the prince
9:44we've made the decision at that point
9:45due to the type of incident that it was
9:48and we didn't really know what we had
9:49yet to follow the footprints and see if
9:52there was any additional evidence and
9:54find out where that person may have been
9:55trying to go so what we did is we say to
9:58the left side of the shoe prints closest
10:00to the tractors and and followed the the
10:03prints down
10:04noted that they stopped at the end of
10:06the building turned around and came back
10:10and I'm going to show you what's entered
10:12the state's 194.
10:16you're just referring to
10:20what does this depict
10:22that depicts um several what appear to
10:25be boot prints on as well
10:28is this the same path y'all yes okay
10:32and let me show you
10:40stage 195 do you recognize this yeah
10:44those are the the flat the flat just the
10:47flat ones impressions
11:16let me show you what's more space 22. do
11:19you recognize this and does it relate to
11:20you foreign
11:32and can get a little closer view on
11:34States
11:36194.
11:40yes that's the left side of the hangar
11:42can you show in this picture the prince
11:45you were talking about in the foot
11:54flat ones
11:58it's hard to see there's a big deal okay
12:00let me put in steaks um
12:03195 too detector
12:10yeah these these flat Impressions
12:13and we'll see
12:16for those good Impressions you saw that
12:18night the flat ones yes okay were there
12:22any other foot Impressions beside the
12:24flat ones that you saw
12:27on evening of June 7th early morning
12:29June 8th of 2021. that's correct you're
12:31positive
12:38and you and the captain walked how far
12:40were you from the sandals
12:43foot to the left
12:47some of those other prints
12:57now you were a um
13:00and I'm going to do this without putting
13:01it up this is one of those pictures that
13:03we on States
13:04seven
13:08you're a lady
13:10um
13:11you know what women's shoes look like
13:13yes sir
13:14did you go and look at Maggie's shoes
13:17she was wearing I did
13:19why'd you do that to see if they matched
13:22Impressions I had seen and were they
13:25similar to you very similarities and
13:28States 200
13:31do you recognize those yes
13:33yes and what are those those are the
13:35sandals Miss Myrtle had and did they
13:37appear to be similar to the footprints
13:40you saw
13:41yes Barry
13:49now did Mr Harpoon or one of the
13:52investigators contact you about this
13:54foot they did okay was it the pictures
13:56we just put up it was
13:58and did you tell them that what'd you
14:01tell them when they sent you that that
14:02those were not my impressions
14:05that doesn't want you
14:16all right let's get back to uh I think
14:18she said Mr uh on the defendant Richard
14:21Alexander murdaugh the defendant
14:24and said introduced you to who before
14:26you started the interview Danny
14:28Henderson said he was his personal
14:30attorney his personal attorney yes did
14:33he want his attorney in the car with you
14:34he did okay
14:36and uh I believe you said it was great
14:39I'll do to get out of the elements we
14:40sat inside
14:42um agent Owens with sled inside his
14:44vehicle
14:46and please tell the ladies and gentlemen
14:48of this jury
14:49specifically where everybody was sitting
14:51agent Owen was in the driver's seat
14:53Alec murdaugh was in the front passenger
14:55seat I sat directly behind him and then
14:58Mr Henderson sat to my left
15:02please listen to him
15:06first time was that the first time you
15:08met Alex Murdock it was
15:10did he appear to you to be under the
15:12influence of alcohol drugs or any other
15:15intoxicant when you saw him he did not
15:18did he appear to you to understand your
15:20questions and special agent David Owens
15:23questions when y'all were talking to him
15:24he did
15:26were his
15:28answers to either you or agent Owens
15:32Timely
15:33yes were they subject matter appropriate
15:36yes they were
15:39did you have any trouble understanding
15:41twice to repeat a question but he was
15:43understanding what was being discussed
15:51feet
15:53I will show you what smart Stakes 153
15:57and my request did you review this
16:00yesterday I did and does this stage
16:03where you accurately reflect the
16:05interview you agent Owens
16:07had with the defendant Richard Alexander
16:10it does the honor at this time 153 I
16:13believe without a picture respectfully
16:14published
16:36foreign
17:12foreign
17:15[Music]
17:30[Music]
17:46yes sir
17:53May 27 1968.803-942
18:03-1227
18:08[Music]
18:14[Music]
18:21down
18:24[Music]
18:29all right
18:30I totally understand so if you don't you
18:33don't
18:34have any problem with it so
18:38[Music]
18:40starting about 55.
18:43um like when I came back here I mean I
18:46pulled up and I could see him and you
18:49know I knew something was bad I ran out
18:51I know it was really bad
18:57it was
19:09[Music]
19:16um
19:18[Music]
19:26foreign
19:40over and uh I don't know I figured it
19:43out
19:44um
19:45his cell phone popped out of his pocket
19:48that's
19:49started trying to do something with it
19:52thinking maybe but then I
19:56[Music]
20:05[Music]
20:07um
20:08and um you know I called 9-1-1
20:13um pretty much right away and
20:17she was very good
20:19um
20:24I talked to her
20:26um I told her I was going to get off the
20:28phone to call some damages
20:30I did that
20:33um
20:38and I called my brother John
20:45and I tried to call the little boy a
20:47real good friend that's right around the
20:49corner from here but I didn't get him
20:57somebody okay yes sir I mean like any
21:00other evidence I know you said did you
21:03see anything else
21:04that didn't belong or shouldn't belong
21:06or that wasn't part of all
21:11right
21:12no nothing
21:16how about Maggie no sir you didn't say
21:19anything about him
21:20[Music]
21:23what made you come out here tonight
21:26um I went to my mom's late stage I was
21:30conversation my dad's in the hospital
21:33um my mom gets anxious when she does I
21:37want to check on them and Maggie
21:40Maggie's a dog lover because she fools
21:42with the dogs and I knew she was going
21:45through the county I was at the house
21:48I'm at the house in my mom's
21:51um
21:52just a little while I tried to call her
21:57texted her no response
22:00um
22:07when I got back to the house the house
22:09was obviously nobody was in there so
22:11figured they're still up here fooling
22:13around poles
22:15um I'm gonna be getting set up to plant
22:17our sunflowers seeds got died and he was
22:20three figures to do the plant for flower
22:23seeds Okay so I came back up here and
22:28drove up and saw
22:32there you go
22:40they're Maggie involving ordinary reason
22:44what was their relationship like
22:46wonderful wonderful
22:48how about yours wonderful I mean I'm
22:52sure we had little things here and there
22:54but we had a wonderful marriage
22:55wonderful relationship
22:57between yours and false relationship is
23:00it could be
23:02foreign
23:05[Music]
23:12[Music]
23:35foreign
23:39having any problems out here
23:42trespassers
23:43[Music]
23:45the only thing
23:48that what comes to my mind is my son
23:50Paul was correct a couple years ago and
23:54there's been a
23:57you know he was charged with being
23:59arrested for being a drowned there's
24:02been a lot of negative publicity about
24:04that and there's been a lot of people
24:06online just really vile stuff but when
24:10Paul's out and about you know but
24:14[Music]
24:15not enough
24:17as English but other than being
24:19assaulted as he perceived any direct
24:21threats related to the boat accident oh
24:24yes
24:25all the time
24:29um yes
24:31he gets them all the time
24:37and I'm Gonna Keep your ass you know
24:43I've never been pretty firsthand you
24:46know
24:47um
24:49no ma'am it's supposed to be like if if
24:52he goes out places is what you know what
24:56goes out like somewhere he's in college
24:59so he goes out
25:01is what I understand
25:02[Music]
25:07um
25:08his best friend in Colombia is is um
25:14Chapman will loving
25:19um
25:20Bobby Boyle Bobby ball will Chapman and
25:24Paul needs to move into a house together
25:28in Colombia
25:31um he said will Chapman and will Logan
25:34Wills Wills Vanessa Chapman and will
25:38with a noun
25:42um
25:44[Music]
25:45around here
25:48his best friends are
25:50clearly you know and Roman Gibson
25:59yes
26:01[Music]
26:03tonight
26:04is he out here yes sir
26:08I'm gonna try to call brother was one of
26:10the people that he's the boy that I told
26:12you look around the corner of this dick
26:13you know he was just a good healthy
26:16young man
26:21do what you need to do
26:24so is there anybody that you can think
26:27of that we need to talk to tonight
26:30is your name
26:33I mean I can't tell you anybody that I'm
26:36overly suspicious of
26:39off the top of my head it's such a
26:41stupid thing I'm even embarrassed to say
26:44it
26:45but it just didn't
26:48make any sense I just hired a guy out
26:50here and
26:57[Music]
26:59the other day about how when he was in
27:02high school he got in a fight with some
27:05black guys
27:06and FBI undercover team observed him
27:10fighting those guys and put him on an
27:14undercover team with three Navy Seals
27:17and their job was to kill radical Black
27:20Panthers and they did that from Myrtle
27:23Beach to Savannah
27:26you know
27:29is probably the person but
27:32that's just so crazy
27:34yeah that's the kind of part of that
27:36story off today he took his daddy to the
27:40doctor
27:41what's his name C.B rug
27:44foreign
27:47[Music]
28:01[Music]
28:13[Music]
28:15does he live I don't exactly know
28:18somewhere in blood I mean
28:22do you have this phone number
28:26you got it with you
28:31know but I do think Jim and Paul got
28:34along pretty well
28:36um
28:38that's just really
28:41really weird
28:43all right
28:45um
28:48CE
28:53ready
28:57[Music]
29:09[Music]
29:21foreign
29:38[Music]
29:55oh
30:02[Music]
30:04so taking them back by
30:08e
30:10and he said I'll find it I got it on my
30:13phone keep he recorded him saying bits
30:16and pieces of it but
30:32for all this weirdness I mean I do think
30:35they like
30:43um
30:55[Music]
31:00going back to the boat accident
31:02um anybody oh that
31:07really have a hard-on for fall
31:10that you would think would come after
31:12him or he knows any direct threats from
31:15people on the boat
31:17I don't know direct threats between any
31:21any of the people on the boat
31:22specifically but I do think there's
31:25gonna
31:26a small amount of yet between a couple
31:29of them but not recently because
31:32most of this is stuff when people that
31:35Paul didn't really know okay
31:38there were some people that he knew
31:40distantly but
31:43more times than not when I learned about
31:45it
31:49um it's like for example he went out in
31:50Charleston a couple months ago came out
31:52you said you know he was always a real
31:55tough man's man you know he would just
32:02he would defend himself but he hadn't
32:04done it that's right but
32:06[Music]
32:11as far as what
32:13I've never been prouder of him than the
32:16way he has handled the pressures to be
32:19in that situation I think I've told
32:22Danny that before
32:30I mean Paul is a wonderful wonderful
32:33wonderful kid
32:36can do almost anything he gets along
32:38with almost anybody
32:44do you also any weapons out here
32:46um we don't store them but they're
32:50you know they're frequently out here I
32:53need to find out if there were any out
32:54here because
32:56um
32:57I'll have to find out exactly when that
33:00was
33:02thinking got put up
33:04but I'm not positive well that's not
33:06gonna look like
33:08uh it was uh
33:11camouflage
33:14um
33:16I want to say it's a banana bread I
33:20can't remember which brand it is
33:22[Music]
33:24foreign
33:33[Music]
33:56talk to them to run around then I told
33:58her
34:01I told her get out
34:03that I was going to go to the house okay
34:05and then I was lit I already know when
34:07that guy
34:10you have to have a list of all your guns
34:13I can make one I don't have enough here
34:15that was missing absolutely um
34:22we do we probably have
34:2520 25
34:29guns
34:32any rifles yes sir what kind of rifles
34:38I mean you name it across the board yeah
34:43I mean they're
34:45um
34:47you know with a hunting ring
34:49and I have
35:03what was their schedule today
35:06my son works for my brother and he was
35:10coming home to deal with the sunflowers
35:13um he got
35:17here
35:19you're pretty good you can see in our
35:21road around looking at everything for a
35:24good little while probably
35:2745 minutes to an island on Maggie had
35:30things she did in Charleston and
35:35um she had a doctor's appointment in
35:38Charleston and she got back here it was
35:42very late
35:47no probably not home early earlier so
35:50before dinner time
35:52from yesterday
35:57what
35:59[Music]
35:59um
36:09[Music]
36:18[Music]
36:24all the time and the especially common
36:27for her to she's been gone out to run
36:36very regularly it comes out of here a
36:39lot
36:48the deer cameras but none
36:51you know
36:52around up here
37:01well not necessarily deep in the woods
37:04some of them are in the fields and
37:07um but I don't don't
37:10you know are near here
37:16um what doctor's appointment
37:19[Music]
37:22s over her stomach and her tooth I'm not
37:25positive it was sort of a routine
37:30and I can't remember
37:33he told me the name of it and I can't I
37:36want to say Gordon Bourdain we're done
37:40you know who I think she saw
37:47so was she back home around supper time
37:50or
37:52um
37:53six o'clock seven o'clock
37:57I don't think she got back quite that
37:59early I think she got back a little bit
38:01later than that okay
38:04um
38:05[Music]
38:11what did you do today are you at the
38:13officer no I was home I came home Paul
38:16and I messed around I
38:18I uh I was up at the house I laid down
38:22and put the nap on the couch probably I
38:25don't know 25 30 minutes I got up I
38:29called Maggie
38:30didn't get an answer and
38:34I left to go to my mom's she said she
38:38might ride with him but she normally
38:40over there
38:43um
38:43[Music]
38:47you know what time was that
38:50when I was what but you sometimes
38:59all right
39:00um I actually heard 908 foreign
39:04[Music]
39:08let me make sure
39:10[Music]
39:14that I call her
39:179 45.
39:20and then I tried call
39:26and then
39:30you know I think that was riding
39:35[Music]
39:37right over there
39:44two three
39:46I made my call for right here so
39:50um
39:51[Music]
39:53obviously this is when this is when I
39:57attended six
40:00[Music]
40:15[Music]
40:20foreign
40:31[Music]
40:49[Music]
40:55foreign
41:00[Music]
41:07[Music]
41:21all right this rate is
41:24eight zero three
41:26nine four three eight eight eight one
41:33Amazon come on eight four three
41:37two one
41:47day
41:51Savannah
41:56uh he's having a really really hard time
41:59he's got a lot a lot a lot a lot going
42:02on
42:03foreign
42:09he's doing okay giving everything but
42:11he's got a lot going on
42:17it's not Matthew's family
42:24no contact yes I have my brother called
42:27Bart
42:28um the wife of his sister and I mean a
42:32husband a magic sister so that they can
42:36go and tell maggots parents or stuff
42:39like they used to hear it in person and
42:42they're going there and calling me
42:45here yet
42:49yes and her mom used to have knee
42:53replacement surgery and her dad really
42:55had Alexander Jr
43:00mustard against my Buster
43:03[Music]
43:07this one's hard but when you first saw
43:10him he said he tried to flip an Oliver
43:13was he playing on his back on the
43:16stomach just like
43:18[Music]
43:23a lot
43:32[Music]
43:41and when you first pulled into the
43:43property did you come from this
43:45Direction all the police codes are or
43:46which way did you put I went to the
43:48house then I came from the house
43:51okay
43:52and then when my vehicle was part is
43:56where it was okay well no maybe not
43:59exactly but it was pretty close because
44:02I came back the same route that's right
44:12[Music]
44:21um so I can't think of anything else
44:23right now but you know we'll certainly
44:25be in touch
44:27um
44:27[Music]
44:29so
44:35can I answer that
44:37yeah
44:39what
44:46we're finished
44:49here no
44:57no
45:02okay yeah I think we're about done
45:06foreign
45:12[Music]
45:33oily
45:37thank you very much
45:43[Music]
45:50[Music]
46:09think it was
46:11um 1am
46:2012 57 no that sounds correct
46:24would you describe that as an aggressive
46:27interview no
46:35part of your investigating procedure
46:38that you've listened to the 911 we did
46:42and you say wait who's we uh myself and
46:45special agent Owen
46:47did you have
46:50did you have
46:52uh can never stick in the mushrooms
46:55speaking to Mike please man you have
46:58that 911 knowledge
47:01uh in your mind when you were listening
47:03to this
47:04and you already heard it yes
47:07and uh on the 9-1-1 tape how long had
47:11Alex Murdoch writer has been since
47:13you've seen Maggie Murdock
47:16he's estimated uh one and a half to two
47:19hours to two hours one and a half two of
47:21them
47:24and on this tape your interview what did
47:27he said about
47:29seeing Maggie was last time he'd seen
47:32Maggie Murdock
47:34um but she about two hours
47:37did he say you took a nap he took a nap
47:41did he say where he went after that
47:44I did wow just the time of night
47:48wow
47:50with her being an Alzheimer's patient
47:52they tend to be worse at night so I
47:55seemed it was strange to go visit
48:13okay
48:16it was 10.
48:20thank you
48:491006.
48:52this interview was 27 yes that's correct
49:00in your interview in agent Owen's
49:02interview
49:04did uh the defendant Alex murdaugh tell
49:07you he tried to turn Paul over he did
49:11he say whether or not he had tried to
49:13check calls pulse and our magazine he
49:17stated he tried to check both
49:20what did Mr Murdoch I haven't heard all
49:23say about the phone if anything that was
49:26in Paul's possession he stated his phone
49:28popped out of his pocket win when he
49:32tried to check his pulse
49:36you tried to turn him over that's what
49:38he said
50:15foreign
50:31Murdoch is looking at his phone you
50:33remember that correct yes
50:35can you actually see the thumb in there
50:38and the times and the messages on the
50:40video that he's looking at you can on
50:43the bottom left of the screen
50:45and what was that in response to that he
50:47was looking
50:49when I asked what time he texted Matt
50:53saw those on his phone looking at those
50:56when y'all were talking to them in the
50:57car
50:58I couldn't see from where I was sitting
51:00but reviewing
51:02yes
51:14I've got a transcript here but at the
51:16end of the video
51:19toward the end of the interview did Mr
51:22Murdock say again he tried to turn over
51:27then he tried to check it that's what he
51:30said
51:36and I know I asked you at first but I
51:38may not have done it too eloquently
51:41did he first tell you he tried to turn
51:43him over
51:45yes he did and I figured it out yes and
51:48his cell phone popped out of his pocket
51:50that's correct
51:54and and everybody heard it but then
51:56something with it thinking maybe then I
51:58put it back down
52:06what did you think about the phone
52:08popping out
52:09that was
52:13have you ever moved dead weight I have
52:25yeah
52:27please
52:44judge these are a couple of these
52:45pictures that uh I think they have this
52:48on top of it just to warn everybody
52:50these are graphic photos
52:52number two
53:14foreign
53:33he did not
53:45and before I get to it the defendant
53:48everything he'd been down to the kennel
53:49that night
53:50in this interview no
53:56after snap where'd you say you went
53:59went to check on his mother in Hampton
54:10just again if you keep your computers
54:11coming please
54:13defense one
54:36reports permission I like where the
54:39detective come down please judge yes
54:48the technology I'm going to get what you
54:49won't block and I won't block it
55:07okay
55:12where have you tried to get the post
55:16say that myself he tried to turn him
55:20thank you testified you've tried to lift
55:22dead weight right I have
55:29what's around Palmer blood and green
55:32matter
55:34and
55:35if you were to
55:37wear his hands underneath his body
55:40if you were to check the pulse of his
55:42hands how would you do it
55:44you would have to try to lift him up and
55:46get his arms out from under him
55:48enrollment correct by the way where's
55:50his phone
55:51slaying on the back side of his shorts
55:54right there
55:55popped out he said yes
56:04is that his brain
56:06you would have to try to lift his
56:08shoulder to get access his neck this way
56:10correct with you this way
56:14or this way well correct you go
56:16underneath
56:18yes is that right
56:21yes
56:30when you saw Alex Murdo when you first
56:34came up to him yeah
56:41go back sit down thank you
56:48Did You observe it I did why
56:52what were your measurements the hair was
56:54clean say that again that he was clean
57:00when you were in the corner with it
57:04Did You observe his hands I did
57:07you see his arms I did
57:10and when you're out on the side of the
57:12road beforehand did you see your shirt I
57:14did his pants yes his shoes yes
57:17now when you were at this scene
57:20when you first got there
57:22did you see any footprints
57:29anywhere around the body no
57:42did you look at his shoes I did what
57:44kind of shoot Alex Merlot shoes what
57:46kind of shoes were they were like an
57:47athletic tennis shoe
57:50don't even appear to be blood I'll be
57:52sweet I did not
57:54I should look at the laser monster
58:00you see what appeared to be blood on
58:02Alex Murdoch's hands I did not on his
58:04own no on his shirt his short no on his
58:08shoes I did not
58:12how long was this after the 9-1-1 call
58:14two hours two to three hours
58:19all the expression is mine yes
58:22how would you describe the defendant's
58:25hands when you saw him when you were
58:26interviewing him how would you describe
58:28his hands they're clean how would you
58:30describe his arms they were clean how
58:32would you describe his T-shirt Queen how
58:34would you describe his shorts clean how
58:37would you describe his
58:39shoes they were clean
58:59foreign
59:34foreign
59:54yes
1:00:02when you um after this interview go to
1:00:05the actual house at 4147 now I did okay
1:00:08did you go inside just in the foyer yes
1:00:12um
1:00:14did agent Owens go inside
1:00:16shirt shoes and pants collected nature
1:00:19yes
1:00:21you didn't call it no he did I did not
1:00:24and those are the same shirts shoes and
1:00:26pants he was wearing there correct and
1:00:28sled got them that night yes okay
1:00:34after this
1:00:36did you assist sled in some just
1:00:40some things that came out of the system
1:00:41with getting Maggie's going I did okay
1:00:44some other cell phone evidence
1:00:46uh search warrants
1:00:48um
1:00:55were there a search of some of the areas
1:00:57you assisted to some you assisted sled
1:01:00at some point throughout this
1:01:01investigation did anything from the
1:01:03Sheriff's Office agent Owen could go
1:01:05through me or my evidence or using our
1:01:07evidence Bay to process anything I was
1:01:10there to assist in any way that they
1:01:12needed and did you assist I guess in the
1:01:15um helping with Alex um Murdoch's car as
1:01:19far as getting anything out of that car
1:01:21um no sled process to that
1:01:28now if you just listen to my questions
1:01:29I'm not going to lead you just want to
1:01:31ask you one final question
1:01:33is the individual in this courtroom
1:01:37who told you
1:01:40he tried to take the Pulse of Maggie
1:01:42individual in this courtroom who told
1:01:44you he tried to turn Paul over
1:01:46told you that once twice
1:01:49is the individual in this courtroom that
1:01:52you took that statement from
1:01:54that we saw in this video
1:01:57in this courtroom and as the individual
1:01:59you described as 20 mount for the jury
1:02:03he's sitting at the defense table
1:02:04wearing a grayish brown jacket and a
1:02:07white shirt you know we'd like the
1:02:08record to reflect his uh that she has
1:02:11pointed out the defendant Richard
1:02:12Alexander Murdoch it does
1:02:14thank you
1:02:19ladies and gentlemen we have you go to
1:02:21the Jury Room
1:03:00leaves the courtroom that's not an
1:03:02invitation for conversations
1:03:07until a recess takes place
1:03:10of being recessed for 10 minutes
1:12:34okay
1:12:59foreign
1:13:11thank you
1:13:31[Music]
1:13:45rule 20 of the rules of criminal
1:13:47procedure provides that
1:13:50uh there shall be no objection no
1:13:54argument on objections unless requested
1:13:57poet
1:14:00from 19
1:14:0519. rule I'm sorry rule 18.
1:14:10no argument 18b
1:14:15then rule uh 43
1:14:20h
1:14:21of the rules of civil procedure which is
1:14:24applied to the rules of criminal
1:14:26procedure
1:14:28through criminal procedure rule 37 I
1:14:32believe it is 37 yes
1:14:35and that is that
1:14:39only one council is examined a witness
1:14:43State the examining Council only shall
1:14:47make objections
1:14:49as Mr Griffin is examining going to
1:14:53cross-examine Mr Griffin makes
1:14:55objections likewise
1:14:57with the state's attorney general not
1:14:59any and everyone can jump up and object
1:15:03and argue
1:15:04any questions about either of those
1:15:06rules
1:15:14having to get to testify by Blood In The
1:15:16Water yesterday I objected and it was a
1:15:18speaking of Jack Johnson
1:15:19but when I object
1:15:23will you and sometimes invite argument
1:15:25or
1:15:27I'm trying to preserve sometimes invite
1:15:30argument
1:15:31I'm trying to preserve
1:15:34objections in the record
1:15:37um and I'm just wondering and since he
1:15:40doesn't get an appeal that's not his
1:15:41concern
1:15:43um how would you like me to handle that
1:15:46well the objection speaks for itself
1:15:49uh if the parties wish to place
1:15:51something a record at some point in time
1:15:53after a Witnesses is is
1:15:57death examination is over the court will
1:15:59give you that opportunity
1:16:01but if we have speaking objections if
1:16:06the if one party makes an objection and
1:16:08proceeds to argue it through a speaking
1:16:12objection I give equal time to opposings
1:16:15so we end up having a debate rather than
1:16:17that interrupts the trials and all of
1:16:20that I certainly understand
1:16:22[Music]
1:16:24the defense's right to make a proper
1:16:26record and we'll address that as it as
1:16:30is needed without there being a speaking
1:16:32objection
1:16:32for instance they've listed hearsay in
1:16:35my opinion okay
1:16:37should I say objection hearsay or just
1:16:40yes sir I can do that yes the legal
1:16:43basis for the objection okay
1:16:45not not a real advocacy yes sir okay I
1:16:48understand thank you all right
1:16:52bring the jury
1:17:36thank you
1:18:07foreign
1:18:16thank you cross-examination Mr Griffin
1:18:27protective cross good morning
1:18:30my name is Jim Griffin Jim Rutland
1:18:33Rutland I'm sorry that's okay
1:18:36uh my name is Jim Griffin and I
1:18:38represent Alex Murdock
1:18:41you had testified on Direct exemption a
1:18:43moment ago that
1:18:46that it was you believe somewhat unusual
1:18:49for Mr Murdoch to go visit his mother as
1:18:53late as uh
1:18:55906 on a Monday evening you're called
1:18:59testifying I I do and and you were
1:19:02sitting in the car when he was being
1:19:03interviewed and and you recall him
1:19:06saying that his father
1:19:10had just been put in the hospital that
1:19:13very day that's correct and that it was
1:19:16an unusual day
1:19:17because Mr Randolph
1:19:20Murdoch was not with Miss Libby read and
1:19:24she gets anxious when that occurs you
1:19:26remember that I remember him saying
1:19:28something along those lines and in in
1:19:31that context it's
1:19:33you don't criticize a son who goes to
1:19:36visit his mother who has early onset
1:19:40dementia
1:19:42on the very day in the afternoon that
1:19:45the father is admitted to the hospital
1:19:47you're not here to criticize him for
1:19:49that aren't you no I didn't criticize I
1:19:51just made a mental note that that was
1:19:52interesting
1:19:54and and you uh
1:20:00you walk the crime scene when you
1:20:03arrived and you made some mental notes
1:20:07and observations that you subsequently
1:20:08recorded in a report did you not I did
1:20:12and one of the things that you mentally
1:20:14noted and then subsequently reported was
1:20:17that a tremendous amount of blood
1:20:21spatter
1:20:22in the feed room area and around where
1:20:25Paul was murdered is that correct that's
1:20:27correct and there was brain matter
1:20:30normal matter all about the
1:20:33place where
1:20:34Paul was murdered correct that's correct
1:20:37and and I think you even described that
1:20:40there was uh matter
1:20:42that blood that went up to the ceiling
1:20:44and through the door and
1:20:47spider everywhere right that's correct
1:20:50and you also
1:20:52told the jury that Alec was clean
1:20:55and you're referring to
1:20:57his shirt was clean correct correct his
1:21:01shorts were correct you remember the
1:21:02Litany of Mr matters shorts shirts shoes
1:21:05were clean correct that's correct he was
1:21:08clean correct
1:21:09to my visual eye he was clean yes if
1:21:12your visual eye it did not look like he
1:21:15had just blown his son's head off in the
1:21:18confines of a feed room were splatters
1:21:20everywhere
1:21:21isn't that correct I didn't say that
1:21:24well let me ask you in your mind's eye
1:21:26that night on June 7th did he look like
1:21:29someone had just blown his sons had a
1:21:31spatter going everywhere
1:21:33again I I can't say that for sure a lot
1:21:36of a lot of things would come into play
1:21:38to affect that distance
1:21:41is one of them
1:21:43well certainly if he appeared that way
1:21:45on the night of June the 7th
1:21:48you have sworn law enforcement officer
1:21:50you would have initiated process to take
1:21:52him into custody I suspect wouldn't
1:21:54no that was not my role that evening I
1:21:57was just assisting
1:21:59well one one of the things you did that
1:22:01evening with Rutland was you obtained a
1:22:03search warrant did you not I did and
1:22:05that was your first official Duty in
1:22:08connection with this
1:22:11double homicide investigation that's
1:22:12correct
1:22:13and I'm gonna show you exhibit three
1:22:15your honor I've shared it with Mr
1:22:17Meadows during the break and asked the
1:22:20witness to identify it
1:22:23you recognize your pivot three I do this
1:22:25is the search warrant I got that night
1:22:28John would move exhibit three in the
1:22:31evidence this time I believe without
1:22:32objection
1:22:37I have it
1:22:40so Terry please Bob
1:22:42exhibit three is
1:22:45we'll we'll first
1:22:47let's just talk about a search warrant
1:22:49what is a search warrant
1:22:50it grants us the right to to search a
1:22:54certain item that may have been
1:22:55incentive case
1:22:57and and this search warrant was for what
1:23:00property
1:23:014147 Moselle Road in Arlington County
1:23:04Colleton state of South Carolina
1:23:07and it covers the old roughly 1700 acres
1:23:11for the whole property doesn't up that
1:23:13is correct and it covers the house
1:23:17the the residents where
1:23:19you went into the foyer right correct
1:23:22it covers all the outbuildings correct
1:23:25correct yes and it gives you the right
1:23:28to seize
1:23:31um any type of evidence correct that is
1:23:34correct let me see if I can get Mr Elmo
1:23:37to work can you turn it on please
1:23:51I've got to turn sidewindies
1:23:54all right
1:23:56let's see if we could read that done
1:24:01was there lightning
1:24:05much better and can we zoom in all right
1:24:08okay got it
1:24:11so
1:24:12and this is the search warrant right yes
1:24:15it is and it says description of
1:24:17premises
1:24:18uh to be searched and here it's 3147
1:24:22Moselle Road Island
1:24:24and then there's a PIN number what's the
1:24:26PIN number it's a property
1:24:27identification number that's assigned to
1:24:29every Parcels of real property within
1:24:31the county it's set by the tax office
1:24:35it says the property to be searched or
1:24:37any residences Vehicles out buildings
1:24:41kennels or sheds right that is correct
1:24:44and then it says uh the description of
1:24:47the property
1:24:49to uh to search into NBCS and that's
1:24:54under description of property right
1:24:55correct and you prepared this document
1:24:58for the magistrate I did
1:25:01and here
1:25:03says evidence that may be used or taken
1:25:06during the commission of a crime of
1:25:07homicide to include but not limited any
1:25:09item two clothing gloves masks hats
1:25:13hoodies shoes boots jewelry Firearms
1:25:16ammunitions shell casings gunshot
1:25:18residue weapons identification documents
1:25:21any paperwork Etc
1:25:24um
1:25:25it says any evidence inside vehicles on
1:25:28the property any evidence found on in
1:25:31outbuildings or sheds any Tire shoe
1:25:34Impressions any and all DNA to include
1:25:36but not limited to fingerprints
1:25:39Etc any drugs narcotics drugs
1:25:42paraphernalia any and all cellular
1:25:45phones phone records to include incoming
1:25:47outcoming calls text messages voice
1:25:49messages
1:25:50Etc and goes on to talk about
1:25:52photographs and whatnot
1:25:54it's all encompassing isn't it it is and
1:25:57this is basically as broad as a search
1:25:59warrant that you draft because it's a
1:26:01homicide investigation and it gives you
1:26:04cart launch on the property of the crime
1:26:07scene right that's correct and with the
1:26:09search warrant you have the authority to
1:26:11go in the house and look for unclean
1:26:14dirty clothes did you not that was I
1:26:17wasn't in that capacity that evening I
1:26:19would well the search warrant provided
1:26:21that authority to law enforcement did
1:26:23not it would have yes and you mentioned
1:26:26that
1:26:27you got into the law enforcement
1:26:29business because you're
1:26:31CSI TV Junkie up source
1:26:35did I understand you say that yeah I was
1:26:37okay and and you've seen CSI shows where
1:26:41they go and they they look in the drains
1:26:44of showers or sinks and to see if blood
1:26:48residue had been recently flushed
1:26:50through there that's possible is it not
1:26:53it could be and that's just not on TV I
1:26:56mean that's that's skills that sleds
1:27:00um grounding
1:27:02has available to them correct
1:27:05I don't know what they have available
1:27:06but that would be a crime scene unit
1:27:08question
1:27:09the um
1:27:13and and actually there were
1:27:16the
1:27:18the cleaning clothes
1:27:20that Alec Murdock was wearing that night
1:27:22they were seeds were they not yes okay
1:27:25and the clean shoes were yes and the
1:27:29clean
1:27:30shirt with cease was it not yes it was
1:27:33okay
1:27:34and but that you were in the house when
1:27:36that happened but you didn't collect the
1:27:40collecting the foyer
1:27:42and who did the collection do you recall
1:27:45special agent Owen
1:27:47and well was he assisted by anybody I
1:27:51was just standing by
1:27:53they went to a back bedroom and I was in
1:27:55the foyer area it was like an open floor
1:27:56plan
1:27:59and and would you recall how
1:28:05you recall what Mr Owen detective of one
1:28:08special agent Owen Apollo Jones
1:28:11yeah
1:28:12you know a special agent over did uh You
1:28:15observe what he collected to close in I
1:28:18did not
1:28:20you collect all the clothes and put them
1:28:22in one paper bag
1:28:24I don't recall
1:28:35now
1:28:37the jury heard the complete
1:28:41video audio of the interview with Alec
1:28:44Merlot on the evening
1:28:47the early morning hours of June the 8th
1:28:51and yet you were asked to
1:28:53um
1:28:54repeat some of the things that he said
1:28:57and and I want to
1:29:00I mean the tape speaks for itself I
1:29:02don't want anyone to misconstrue your
1:29:04testimony so I just want to ask you
1:29:08are you saying that Mr Murdoch tried to
1:29:11turn his son over two times on that tape
1:29:13or that on two occasions he described
1:29:17one incident that he tried to turn his
1:29:19son over the latter that he explained
1:29:22twice two different times so
1:29:25so in answer to your questions
1:29:27if anyone would
1:29:30have walked away thinking that that Alan
1:29:33Murdoch told you that he tried to turn
1:29:35him over two times that would just be I
1:29:37mean anything we've now clarified it
1:29:39right correct
1:29:42now
1:29:43you never asked
1:29:46or special agent Owen never asked Mr
1:29:49Murdock
1:29:50how he tried to turn his son over
1:29:53correct
1:29:55and and so
1:29:58you see Mr Meadows crawling around on
1:30:00the floor down here as trying to reenact
1:30:02something but
1:30:05that night he never was asked
1:30:08specifically what did you do to try to
1:30:11turn your son over correct
1:30:13that's correct we did not ask that
1:30:16and that night he was not asked
1:30:18specifically
1:30:20how the phone popped out of his pocket
1:30:22while you were trying to turn him over
1:30:24correct correct and that night he was
1:30:26not asked specifically how far were you
1:30:29able to move
1:30:32um Paul if at all when you tried to flip
1:30:35him over correct correct
1:30:39and then FL in fact
1:30:41did he really even say that I was trying
1:30:44to flip him over to check his pulse
1:30:47I'd have to check the transcript but I I
1:30:49believe he said something along those
1:30:50lines
1:30:51what did he tell you where he tried to
1:30:54check Paul's pulse he did not
1:30:59so we don't know from your interview or
1:31:03special agent Owen's interview
1:31:06how he tried to turn him over how the
1:31:09phone popped down at least how Alex
1:31:11describes it
1:31:12and where on Paul's body he attempted to
1:31:16check his paws right correct
1:31:24foreign
1:31:35and you were asked questions about
1:31:39whether there was knee prints and
1:31:41footprints
1:31:42by Paul's body
1:31:45next to his body right yes I was asked
1:31:49that and did you do such a
1:31:52forensic analysis investigation to see
1:31:56if there are boot prints or footprints
1:31:57around
1:31:58I looked with my eyes
1:32:01and were you aware that before you got
1:32:03there well let me what time did you get
1:32:05there
1:32:12I'll take this down I threw Mr Elma
1:32:2712 22 a.m I was on scene okay 12 22 A.M
1:32:31and
1:32:33and Paul's body and Maggie bodies were
1:32:37covered up with a sheep but still
1:32:40present correct correct
1:32:44so
1:32:46when you
1:32:48were looking at Paul's body
1:32:51just observing whether their Footprints
1:32:53near him
1:32:54you couldn't see right next to his body
1:32:56because of the sheep could you the sheet
1:32:58was mostly on his body not on the cement
1:33:01on the ground next to the body
1:33:04was it a fitted sheet no but it wasn't a
1:33:07queen sheet either
1:33:09okay then
1:33:10Jury has seen photos of the sheet
1:33:14um were you aware
1:33:16that
1:33:20captain
1:33:22Chapman
1:33:24and others went around Paul's body and
1:33:27lifted the sheet up
1:33:28to see if there was a gun Underneath Him
1:33:32not us at the scene no
1:33:34well I take it you did not observe their
1:33:36Footprints anywhere in the area either
1:33:38then right
1:33:39not that I recall
1:33:46and you said that uh
1:33:48Alex pants were clean remember saying
1:33:51that I remember saying that what color
1:33:52pants did he have on
1:33:54khaki
1:33:57and are you aware of any forensic
1:34:00testing that had been done to the pants
1:34:01to see whether there was
1:34:03blood
1:34:05on the panels right
1:34:08subsequently no there was nothing down
1:34:10there exactly that night nothing was
1:34:12done forensically not before I
1:34:14interviewed him no what
1:34:17you just did not observe any blood on
1:34:19his pants or in his pocket no just
1:34:22simply speaking with him like this
1:34:24looking him up and down I did not see
1:34:26any blood on him
1:34:31and he didn't look like someone who had
1:34:33just
1:34:35been within feet of
1:34:38blowing Paul's head off right
1:34:41again I can't say that there's so many
1:34:42different factors that you would have to
1:34:44take into account
1:34:47now
1:34:59you get a lot more I believe
1:35:04that night after you left
1:35:07well let's go back
1:35:10when you got to the scene you partnered
1:35:13up with
1:35:15how you doing correct that's correct and
1:35:19um
1:35:19and and you saw inside the shed and you
1:35:23observed there was wadding on the floor
1:35:26near his feet Paul's feet correct and we
1:35:29say wadding what are you talking about
1:35:31the internal components of a shotgun
1:35:33shell
1:35:36and then you saw in the rear window of
1:35:38the shed there were several holes right
1:35:39that's correct
1:35:42and you describing your report that you
1:35:45saw large amounts of blood spatter and
1:35:48brain skull matter were on the door to
1:35:49the shed on the items within the storage
1:35:51building
1:35:52saw that right that's correct
1:35:58and then you you went and examined
1:36:02Maggie
1:36:04's body did you
1:36:07I wouldn't say examined I would just say
1:36:09I I looked at her
1:36:11and one of the things that you notice
1:36:13when you were
1:36:16looking at
1:36:20Maggie's body
1:36:22I believe
1:36:26you said you notice there are a few
1:36:28clumps of her hair and a broken earring
1:36:30we're located near a
1:36:32UTV Tire right that is correct tv Tire
1:36:38I'm sorry
1:36:39what do you mean by UTV uh alternate
1:36:42all-terrain vehicle it's like a
1:36:43four-wheeler side by side
1:36:56foreign
1:37:00and we talked you talked about these
1:37:02foot Impressions that that you observed
1:37:04right I did
1:37:07um
1:37:11and I said I was done with Mr Elmo but
1:37:14I'm not can we put these backlinks
1:37:21thank you
1:37:24can you turn on Elmo or something oh
1:37:26there it is
1:37:31how do you zoom in
1:37:33Doug
1:37:42let's just change the color
1:37:44like okay
1:37:48all right
1:37:53I think I think that's good okay
1:38:01may not be a good one
1:38:11thanks
1:38:13um
1:38:14you mentioned that that you told
1:38:16investigators that were for Dee and Mr
1:38:19harpootley and that
1:38:22that the boot prints were not yours in
1:38:25these photos right that is correct
1:38:28but now you told the jury that the
1:38:30blueprints are here it's incorrect those
1:38:32are not my boot prints
1:38:36whose blueprints are they I don't know
1:38:39oh okay that's why I get to do this so
1:38:42objections
1:38:45so
1:38:48you don't know who the boot Prince those
1:38:49are
1:38:50no
1:38:53all right
1:39:01foreign
1:39:19now one thing about this search warrant
1:39:21that I asked you about earlier
1:39:24it was
1:39:26do you have it up I I couldn't remember
1:39:28if I gave it back to you or not I don't
1:39:30think you did that's okay
1:39:31um
1:39:32it was never executed was it
1:39:40um
1:39:40I handed this off to sled agents once I
1:39:44was at the scene thank you
1:39:49Sergeant off the flood agent I did okay
1:39:53but to your knowledge was it ever
1:39:55executed
1:39:56yes it was oh you think it was executed
1:40:01and why do you say that because the sled
1:40:03crime scene unit I was present while
1:40:05they were processing the scene and
1:40:07executing the work and so there are two
1:40:09ways that law enforcement
1:40:11can get access to property one and ones
1:40:14by consent is that right that's correct
1:40:17are you aware that Mr Murdock gave sled
1:40:21Colleton County
1:40:23anti-law enforcement FBI
1:40:27carte blanche consent to search his
1:40:29property
1:40:31that wasn't relayed to me I was asked to
1:40:34tasked for being a search warrant so I
1:40:35did okay and once as coach Warren has
1:40:38executed
1:40:39a return is filed with the manager who
1:40:42issued it right that's correct and you
1:40:44you never filed return on that search
1:40:47warrant right
1:40:51do you have
1:40:52um like I said it was given to sled so
1:40:56we'll find out more about that
1:40:58I mean you didn't file a return that's
1:41:00all you could say right
1:41:03I don't recall I have to check my notes
1:41:07um
1:41:08you heard on uh the tape you heard Mr
1:41:11Murdock say
1:41:13you can uh
1:41:15you can do anything look for anything
1:41:17you remember him just
1:41:19giving consent to whatever you need
1:41:22as far as speaking with him yes I
1:41:24remember him saying that yeah
1:41:27and
1:41:29and so and you walked back through the
1:41:32crime scene one last time before you
1:41:35cleared the area on the morning of the
1:41:37eighth is that right
1:41:40you could say that we were and we were
1:41:43walking around the whole night and
1:41:44staying out of the way of the crime
1:41:46scene unit
1:41:47was it was it were you there left no I
1:41:50was not they were still processing when
1:41:52I left
1:41:57do you know whether or not the um
1:42:00crime scene unit left
1:42:02shotgun pellets
1:42:05behind at the in the feed room I have no
1:42:07knowledge of any of that
1:42:1020 30. even more shotgun pellets Left
1:42:13Behind fever sustained
1:42:26on Thursday
1:42:29June 10th two days
1:42:32three days
1:42:35Thursday June the 10th
1:42:40you went with sled a number of sled
1:42:43agents in law enforcement agents
1:42:46went to meet
1:42:48with
1:42:50Mr Murdock
1:42:53Mr Murdoch's Brothers Randy and John
1:42:55Marvin Mr Murdoch's son
1:42:58and they all agreed to to meet and you
1:43:01know found a location
1:43:03and I'm outside of barn Bowl I believe
1:43:06you remember doing that I do I remember
1:43:08doing that
1:43:09and that was
1:43:14during that I believe
1:43:16you and um and a sled agent interviewed
1:43:21Mr Randy Murdock correct that's correct
1:43:24Mr Randy Murdock agreed to allow
1:43:28the download of his cell phone correct
1:43:30that's correct and gave consent right he
1:43:33did and Mr Alec Murdock to your
1:43:37knowledge gave consent to download his
1:43:39cell phone correct to my knowledge yes
1:43:42and Mr John Marvin Murdock did the same
1:43:44correct correct and Mr Buster Murdock
1:43:46did the same correct he did and everyone
1:43:48gave a voluntary interview that day to
1:43:51your knowledge right they did
1:44:00and then um
1:44:02a little bit later on the Wednesday June
1:44:0516th
1:44:07um you assisted sled when they went out
1:44:09to the Moselle property and went diving
1:44:11uh searching for
1:44:15you know
1:44:17let me ask you
1:44:19when you assisted sled dive team what
1:44:21did you assist sled dive team on June 16
1:44:242020. I did
1:44:27and with a surge in the Moselle property
1:44:29focusing on waterways ponds the
1:44:31salkehatchee river access points for
1:44:35evidence from the crime correct that's
1:44:37correct were you looking for the
1:44:40firearms that were used to murder Maggie
1:44:43and Paul we were looking for anything
1:44:45that could have been linked to their
1:44:47murders
1:44:49and then you utilize ATVs and canvas the
1:44:52entire 1700 acres of land I did that was
1:44:55my assignment that day
1:44:57and once again that was done with
1:44:59consent by Mr Bernard correct that is
1:45:01correct
1:45:06and then went back the next day
1:45:08um and and Dove another pond on the
1:45:11property you remember doing that
1:45:13I didn't die but I was standing by yes
1:45:15and again that was with consent right
1:45:18correct
1:45:20and then you were
1:45:22given consent and you did a search of a
1:45:25white F-250 pickup that
1:45:28um that Paul normally drove right that
1:45:30is correct
1:45:33and while you were there Mr Davis shows
1:45:35up and Mr Davis you understood to be the
1:45:39caretaker for the dogs yes that's what
1:45:42he explained his job title was at
1:45:44Moselle
1:45:46and that Did You observe him doing his
1:45:49work that day
1:45:50did you watch him wash down the dog runs
1:45:54I don't remember that part
1:45:59but
1:46:01to look at his tire marks and make an
1:46:04assessment as to whether they appeared
1:46:06to match the tire marks that were seen
1:46:08under the shed portion
1:46:11next to the the old airplane Hangar
1:46:14right that's correct he Parks Under The
1:46:16Canopy and TV
1:46:26and then on Friday June the 18th
1:46:30um
1:46:33you had a meeting and you you looked at
1:46:35uh some photos
1:46:37I believe crime safety photos of sled
1:46:40correct I did and you made a mental note
1:46:42and you put it in your room that that
1:46:44you notice a few strands of what appear
1:46:46to be brown hair unable to determine the
1:46:48length from the photo in Maggie's hands
1:46:51and fingers right that is correct and
1:46:54you thought that that possibly was an
1:46:56indication of a struggle that Maggie had
1:46:58grabbed someone had their hair in her
1:47:01hands right I didn't say that in my
1:47:03report no
1:47:04well so why did you know that in your
1:47:06report
1:47:07because it was an observation
1:47:11well you also noticed in your that there
1:47:13were some injuries what appeared to be
1:47:15Paul's face that like he had been
1:47:18um some type of struggle right I noted
1:47:21what what to me could have been
1:47:23scratches or a brute
1:47:28and we heard some
1:47:31testimony yesterday about a bolo
1:47:34on the lookout for the white
1:47:38pickup that Paul normally drives I mean
1:47:41that pickup was correct that's correct
1:47:43it was broken down
1:47:44yeah and you learned through your
1:47:47investigation that
1:47:49that Paul had switched vehicles with his
1:47:51uncle John Marvin and John Marvin was
1:47:53rushing to Moselle when he got the phone
1:47:55call and Paul's truck and it broke down
1:47:57the side of the road yeah that's correct
1:47:59it was Mr I believe Mr Randolph
1:48:01struggled to get in and out of the truck
1:48:08did
1:48:09Colony County Sheriff's Office put out
1:48:12of it
1:48:13statement to the Press on the morning of
1:48:15June the 8th that there's no need to
1:48:18public to be alarmed
1:48:21I don't believe that came from our
1:48:22office it did not come through CID for
1:48:25approval I never seen that press release
1:48:35was
1:48:37Alec Murdock
1:48:39your assisting sled
1:48:42night of June the 7th morning June the
1:48:458th or not
1:48:46a suspect
1:48:48that night everybody was a suspect
1:48:52everybody
1:48:54can you be more specific who else were
1:48:56suspects besides well there was reasons
1:48:59we were asking certain questions who his
1:49:01best friend is who their their routine
1:49:03each day there were so many different
1:49:05scenarios it could have been that night
1:49:07so in my view everybody was a suspect at
1:49:10that point
1:49:11including out including out
1:49:29the courtesy

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