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1:54hello everyone and welcome to day seven
1:57of the Leticia stock trial thank you for
2:00all of you who are here already my word
2:02LJ thank you for the super sticker
2:04already I really appreciate it welcome
2:05to all the new members as well to all my
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2:13who's bought me coffees because you know
2:14I need coffee for this oh yes indeed
2:16okay so I'm monitoring the court as
2:19always the the court broadcast it's
2:21supposed to start in about six minutes
2:23or so
2:24so today what they said yesterday if you
2:26missed it
2:27um what they said was that it's going to
2:30be detective I couldn't hear if they
2:32said Jess or Jeff but Bethel detective
2:36Bethel one of the lead detectives on
2:38this case is going to be testifying
2:41today as well as five hours worth of
2:45interrogation of Leticia Stark which is
2:48like
2:49yes it's true crime as you know
2:52we want to see those interrogation tapes
2:54am I right and when I say interrogation
2:56tapes I feel like I give my age away I'm
2:5839 okay
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3:17okay and thank you to everyone who's
3:19already done that
3:20so here we are again uh yesterday was
3:23another long day big day
3:27um and today I'm sure it will be no
3:29different and if you don't know anything
3:32about this case and this is the first
3:33time you're peeking in we are looking at
3:35the case of
3:38Ganon Stout who was murdered on January
3:4027 2020 and his stepmothers on trial now
3:43here we go
3:48um I wanted to
3:51make a little bit of a further record on
3:53the Medina case
3:54and some research that I've done since
3:56then can you guys hear
3:58um
4:0116 8 109 CRS
4:04um section
4:0716-8-109 permits a layperson to give an
4:10opinion regarding a mental condition of
4:13the of a defendant
4:16um Mr tellini has cited uh people versus
4:18Medina
4:22uh
4:24uh 5 21 Pacific second 1247 Colorado uh
4:281974.
4:30for the proposition that uh the the
4:33individuals which the District
4:35Attorney's Office sometimes requests be
4:37permitted to give an opinion regarding
4:39sanity you can go ahead and have a seat
4:41if you want I'll give you a chance to
4:43talk
4:44um the um about the uh defense has
4:48objected on the grounds of Medina
4:53um and I reviewed the facts and
4:55circumstances of that case and in that
4:57case uh the trial court this was back at
5:00a time let's see it was 19.
5:0274 so it was back at a time when the
5:06issues of uh guilt
5:08and uh sanity were tried in separate
5:12phases and actually this case apparently
5:15had three different trials all on the
5:17same
5:19um facts regarding a robbery and in that
5:22case the trial court allowed a sheriff
5:27um to testify that uh he thought the
5:30defendant was presently sane and I note
5:33that word presently saying uh based on a
5:39contact that the sheriff had with the
5:42defendant while transporting the
5:45defendant from Dallas Texas uh back to
5:48Fort Collins it does not say when the
5:51crime occurred and it does not say when
5:54the sheriff had his first contact with
5:56the defendant
5:58um
6:00so that's not uh terribly helpful the
6:05um next person that was allowed to
6:07testify was an investigator
6:09and according to the facts the
6:11investigator did not first met the
6:14defendant approximately two months after
6:16the offense
6:19and
6:21uh the Supreme Court ultimately held
6:24that it was that the trial court abused
6:26its discretion in allowing that
6:28testimony
6:30um saying that before such opinion
6:33evidence from a non-expert can be
6:35admissible the specific facts upon which
6:38the opinion is based must first be
6:40stated by the witness and his testimony
6:42must also show a closer intimate
6:44relationship with the party alleged to
6:46be insane
6:48um they also cite a case called people
6:49versus coal from
6:52Michigan
6:54um and it appears to be that the
6:56emphasis of that case was that the
6:58witness must establish that he was
7:00sufficiently acquainted with the
7:01defendant or testator so as to testify
7:04to the mental condition on a comparative
7:05basis and not merely to some manifested
7:09idiosyncrasy or eccentric Behavior
7:13um
7:16also however reviewed the case of
7:22people versus tally seven Pacific third
7:25172.
7:27uh Colorado appellate 1999 and
7:31um I will tell you that there is an
7:33error in that case uh because it says
7:36that cert was granted August 28 2000
7:38that's not correct uh cert was denied by
7:42both the United States Supreme Court and
7:44the Colorado Supreme Court
7:47but in that case
7:50uh it involved a
7:53I think it was a cable TV installer
7:59um yeah cable television Company
8:02installer
8:04uh and
8:06the
8:08one worker killed another worker for I
8:12guess infringing on his Turf is how it's
8:14referred to in the case
8:16and the defendant at that point in time
8:18or some months before the killing
8:20occurred uh told his supervisor that if
8:24the victim was not kept off his Turf he
8:26would go to a higher level of security
8:29and the supervisor was called to testify
8:32at trial and was allowed to express an
8:34opinion on The Descent on the defendant
8:36sanity as of the dates other than the
8:39date of the offense and these the court
8:43of appeals in that case found that it
8:44was not error to allow such testimony
8:47also noted people versus
8:50gallimanus
8:53g-a-l-i-m-a-n-i-s-944 Pacific second 626
8:56Colorado appellate 1997.
9:00um holding that it is property inquiring
9:02of the mental condition of the defendant
9:03both before and after uh the commission
9:06of the ACT
9:07and in this case it said the defendant
9:10supervisor expressed his opinion that
9:11the defendant was sane as of nine days
9:14after The Killing
9:15even if his testimony is defendant
9:17contains also Express an opinion that
9:19the defendant was saying at an earlier
9:21date that opinion referred to defendant
9:23sanity only three months before The
9:25Killing
9:29um so as I see this I I think that
9:36the foundation that needs to be laid for
9:38an opinion to be provided is what were
9:40the circumstances
9:44of the contact between the witness that
9:46is testifying
9:48circumstances under which the witness
9:53had contact with the defendant how the
9:56defendant was acting those sorts of
9:58things
9:59um I also note that in this case
10:12everybody
10:18except for the defendant's brother and
10:21Mr stouk had contact with the defendant
10:25either at or near the time of the
10:27offense which is alleged to have been
10:29committed in this case
10:31um
10:32so it seems to me that a person can give
10:36testimony regarding whether or not based
10:39on their contacts with them
10:41whether they thought the defendant was
10:43sane at the time they cannot give
10:46testimony unless qualified as an expert
10:48in a sufficient Foundation is laid they
10:50cannot give testimony regarding
10:53a diagnosis
10:55that may have rendered the defendant uh
10:58insane but they can testify as to
11:01whether or not they saw certain
11:03things whether she was I think the
11:06prosecution has gone down the line of
11:07did she refer to herself by a different
11:09name did she
11:11um seem to know what was going on in
11:14addition with respect to
11:16I think it was Van Nest was the name of
11:19the nurse yesterday
11:21um she's in a little bit different
11:22position number one she was qualified to
11:25testify as an expert true not in the as
11:28a psychologist or psychiatrist
11:31um but part of her job requires her to
11:34obtain consent from a patient in order
11:39to perform an examination and before she
11:42can obtain that consent validly as she
11:44testified she has to make sure that the
11:47patient understands the procedure
11:50understands what's going on understands
11:52why she is requesting what it is that
11:54she's requesting and that the patient
11:56has the present capacity to be able to
11:58understand all of that and make a
12:00decision regarding that so I think her
12:02testimony regarding whether or not the
12:03defendant was sane was properly admitted
12:08so with that Mr talini did you
12:10excuse me did you want to make further
12:12records
12:13to
12:15um
12:18whether or not she was
12:21mentally people signed the releases and
12:24so forth I think she has a training on
12:26that
12:30that has a legal connotation that she's
12:33not qualified
12:34who is on how the foundation my
12:36understanding of course will we just
12:37that's what my objective okay there's
12:40two and I understand
12:42there's Medina and there's in my reading
12:45the meanings there were some of the two
12:47issues that before had with the officers
12:50with the two basically law enforcement
12:52people that's fine one was high
12:54Independent Court saying the proximity
12:56and time when their contact with them
12:59um it also seemed that they were saying
13:00that the contact was someone of a
13:03limited duration
13:05um and I think one of them only had like
13:06an hour long interview with them
13:09um tally and I understand tally it's
13:13unclear from the case how much contact
13:17the supervisor had yeah
13:20for years would have been spreads for
13:23you know a month and so they don't
13:25necessarily have these things
13:29on the time
13:31um
13:32it's depending on how this case goes out
13:35we'll have some direction from the
13:37Supreme Court on how interests of Medina
13:39even though we'll see if you're okay so
13:42it doesn't seem that there's a lot of
13:43cases subsequent to it they're
13:45explaining what the actual Foundation
13:47um is and so I think I made you know the
13:50record pretty clear
13:52um and and again I don't want I'm not
13:55going to make a long record you know
13:59when they're asking that question do I
14:02just don't have that foundations
14:05concerts so they understand what the
14:07code is going to have all right
14:09prosecution do you have any other record
14:11to add yes
14:12uh it's the people's position uh that we
14:16agree with the court on the announced
14:18the cases that you decided however the
14:20jury is also going to be instructed on
14:22what insanity is they're also going to
14:25be instructed at least in the packet
14:26that we provided that a layperson can
14:29weigh an opinion without him saying at
14:32the end of the day all of this goes to
14:34the weight of the testimony because they
14:36also going to be getting the instruction
14:37on The credibility of all Witnesses they
14:41can base the amount of time that the
14:43witnesses have spent with the defendant
14:44and weigh their credibility on that So
14:46the instructions of law will cure any
14:48and concerns that defense has okay all
14:51right and
14:53um that was a long way to start the
14:55morning sorry about that
14:57um
14:59anything we need to bring up outside the
15:01presence of the jury at this point in
15:02time
15:03okay let's go ahead and bring the jury
15:06in
15:23welcome to all the new members
15:25thank you
15:29foreign
16:26are you going to start with the video
16:28uh no I'll start with some testimony
16:30first obviously yeah and there's
16:31actually will be four videos during her
16:34testimony the long one will be her
16:35interview uh that she conducted on uh
16:39January 29th I think it is it's about a
16:41little over four hours we'll also need
16:43to find a Breaking Point this morning
16:45okay
16:47all right for the jury please
16:54fine it's all good
16:57positive I can see it's fine
17:19thank you may all be seated Fort Will
17:21recall 20 cr1358 uh people versus
17:24Leticia staff record should reflect the
17:26jury has returned to the courtroom
17:30good morning ladies and gentlemen good
17:32morning anything occurred since we were
17:34last together that causes any of you to
17:36believe you could not continue to serve
17:38as a fair and impartial juror in this
17:39case if so please raise your hand
17:43no response all right yesterday uh when
17:46we took our break we were still in the
17:47midst of the prosecution's case in Chief
17:49that's where we will resume today uh Mr
17:52Allen call your next witness thank you
17:53Ron we would call Jessica Bethel
18:03it's my understanding Mr cook is doing
18:04her cross so I don't know where Mr cook
18:07went okay
18:10we're good to go then okay all right Ms
18:12Bethel if you would uh raise your right
18:13hand you swear affirm the testimony back
18:15giving this man will be the truth the
18:16whole truth and nothing about the truth
18:18go ahead and have a seat in the witness
18:19stand please watch your step would you
18:21step into the stand
18:28that procedure you may go with it good
18:30morning man will you please introduce
18:32yourself to our jury and then spell your
18:33first and last name for the record good
18:35morning my name is Jessica Bethel
18:37j-e-s-s-i-c-a-b-e-t-h-e-l
18:42Miss Bethel um what do you do currently
18:45for uh work I'm currently a stay-at-home
18:48mom okay did you at one point work for
18:50the El Paso County Sheriff's Office I
18:52did
18:53what were your what was your last
18:54assignment with the El Paso County
18:55Sheriff's Office I was assigned
19:00what kind of Education and Training
19:01allowed you to do that job
19:04um I went through a post Academy to
19:06become a sworn peace officer for the
19:07state of Colorado and from there I
19:10received on-the-job training and
19:13advanced my career into the
19:14investigations division
19:16are you still a post-certified peace
19:18officer in the state of Colorado yes I
19:20am
19:21how long were you in law enforcement
19:23previously
19:26including my time served as a civilian
19:28would be 14 years
19:34I want to specifically get uh get us
19:37oriented to January 2020 time frame were
19:40you working at the El Paso County
19:41Sheriff's Office at that time yes I was
19:43what was your specific job assignment
19:46then
19:46I was assigned to the majors
19:49investigation team which consisted of
19:52detectives Senate investigated homicides
19:56and robberies assaults against people
19:58how many different homicide cases did
20:00you get involved with investigating if
20:02you have a round figure oh boy
20:05um
20:06I would say more than a hundred
20:09at some point did you become involved in
20:11the uh Gannon Stout disappearance case
20:13yes I did what was your role in that
20:15case
20:16I was assigned as the lead Detective
20:19what does a lead detective do
20:21the lead detective coordinates the
20:24investigation mainly on a typical case
20:27and receives the investor receives the
20:30leads and the information that's being
20:33collected by the other detectives and
20:36then from there analyzes that
20:38information and disseminates further
20:40leads
20:41eventually leading up to either
20:43um an arrest of the person or you know
20:46looking at potentially a different
20:48suspect
20:51you said in the typical case was there
20:53something about this particular case
20:54that made it different from those what
20:56you would classify as a typical homicide
20:58investigation yes what was different
21:00about it just from the initial
21:02standpoint
21:05initially this case was receiving a lot
21:07of attention in social media
21:09and the case quickly grew to a
21:13multi-agency case
21:15do you remember off the top of your head
21:17how many different agencies got involved
21:19with this investigation
21:21I would say close to 10 if not more that
21:25include both
21:26um State Colorado agencies like the El
21:28Paso County Sheriff's Office and other
21:30agencies uh also federal agencies yes
21:34did it also include agencies in other
21:36states yes it did would that include
21:39South Carolina and Florida yes
21:44um
21:46because of the scope of this
21:48investigation did that change the role
21:50of a lead investigator from the
21:52Sheriff's Office to some degree it did
21:54yes in what way did that happen because
21:57there was so much information coming in
21:59I assumed more of an investigative role
22:02as opposed to sitting back and
22:05collecting all of the leads at once
22:08would you classify the investigation as
22:10almost an all hands on deck
22:12um in effort absolutely
22:18speaking about just generally how the
22:21course of an investigation might go in a
22:23in a typical case
22:25um what are things that can influence
22:27the direction a case will develop into
22:31things that can influence it um I would
22:34say whether or not we have witnesses
22:36available whether or not there's video
22:40um
22:42whether or not the suspect is willing to
22:44do an interview with us
22:46those types of things can influence it
22:49what about the potential absence or
22:52existence of physical evidence
22:53absolutely that can influence it as well
22:56heavily
22:57um you mentioned Witnesses uh
22:59willingness to give statements or lack
23:01of willingness to give statements can
23:03that also influence the course of an
23:05investigation yes it can what about
23:07misleading on the statements from
23:09witnesses can that have an influence on
23:11an investigation yes it can okay
23:14those things that I just referenced
23:17did some of those things occur in this
23:19case yes completed did some of those
23:22things have a negative influence on the
23:23investigation yes they did they did can
23:26you in a general sense tell us what some
23:28of those things might have been that
23:29caused a negative influence on the
23:30investigation
23:32um this ultimately ended up being a
23:34homicide investigation and we did not
23:36have a standard homicide scene where
23:41there would be you know evidence of the
23:43homicide and a body that was not present
23:46in this case also
23:49um
23:49the
23:51the suspect
23:53providing alternate leads multiple
23:56stories of what happened also influenced
24:00how we proceeded with the case
24:03when when you've got that sort of
24:05dynamic going where there's different
24:07stories being presented to the
24:09investigative team
24:10um you have to sometimes Chase those
24:12down to see if there's any validity to
24:14them we should always chase those down
24:16absolutely okay and why is that
24:19um it isn't it's just as important
24:21whenever you're trying to prove that
24:22someone did something as
24:24um to prove that they didn't do
24:27something we need to act without bias
24:29and so if they present something to us
24:32we need to take that just as it's a
24:35credible piece of information and vet it
24:38before we determine that it's it's not a
24:41good lead
24:42when
24:44when did you first become aware of this
24:46particular investigation do you remember
24:49January 28th so the day after again and
24:53was reported missing by a 9-1-1 call and
24:55a non-emergency call that's correct by
24:58the defendant in this case yes
25:01because
25:03the initial call was for a missing or
25:06Runaway Child
25:08um did that cause a investigative
25:10impetus or momentum to try to find this
25:13child that potentially had run away
25:16initially Patrol handled the case just
25:19as a missing a runaway child
25:21um but then later it was brought to our
25:23investigations we real for our attention
25:25we realized that he was 11 years old
25:29around the weather his medical
25:31conditions it became more important to
25:34find him soon
25:35were there lots of searches conducted in
25:38the um
25:41area sort of surrounding the victim's
25:44home yes I was aware of many searches
25:47being done by neighbors some co-workers
25:50of Alberts and also law enforcement did
25:55that include vast areas of field and
25:58even reservoirs and that kind of thing
25:59yes did any of those searches in the
26:03immediate area turn up any clues that
26:05would lead to any investigative leads
26:08that you can pursue no
26:14you said that you first learned of this
26:16case on January 28 2020 uh did you
26:19actually reach out to the person that
26:22ended up being the defendant in this
26:24case on that particular day yes I did
26:25why did you make that uh effort
26:28I wanted to contact
26:31UM Leticia to speak with her more about
26:33gannon's disappearance
26:35and to meet with her at her preferably
26:37at her home so that I could look at his
26:40room to look for Clues as to where he
26:42may have gone if he had left anything
26:43behind a note
26:45or any behavioral changes
26:47were you able to talk to uh Leticia I
26:50was yes how would you describe her
26:52demeanor on that phone call was she
26:54willing to talk to you
26:56I would say she was hesitant at best
26:59uh do you remember how you described it
27:01in your reports
27:04I don't remember verbatim no okay do you
27:06remember if you described it as being
27:08apprehensive that she was apprehensive
27:09to talk to you yes
27:12did you specifically ask her at that
27:15particular time
27:16um if you could go to the house and talk
27:18to her about what had happened yes I did
27:20did she agree to allow you to come to
27:22the house no she did not did she give a
27:25reason yes she told me that there were
27:27several young children in the home
27:30and she didn't want them overhearing
27:31what we were talking about what did you
27:34do then
27:35um as far as trying to get her to sit
27:38down with you and give some sort of a
27:39statement to you
27:40to meet her at a place of her choice she
27:43ultimately asked that I meet her at
27:45Starbucks located on Fountain Mesa
27:48prior to this particular phone call had
27:50you ever met Leticia Stout no had you
27:53ever talked her on the phone no did you
27:56in fact then meet up with her at the
27:58Starbucks on Fountain Mesa I did
28:00who was president for that interaction
28:04Leticia was present Albert was present
28:06my partner detective Mark Riley was
28:09present
28:10myself and Jason Hess Sergeant Jason S
28:13also was present during part of it
28:16was did you actually do this contact
28:19with her and Mr Stout inside the
28:22Starbucks business yes so was there a
28:27recording made of this particular
28:28interaction yes there was can you hear
28:30sort of the normal chatter that you
28:32would hear in a Starbucks on the
28:34recording of This yes you can
28:39interme approach with people's exhibit
28:40335.
28:57foreign
28:59do you recognize people people's exhibit
29:03335 yes I do how do you recognize it
29:06um it is a disc containing a field
29:08interview with Mr Stout and Leticia is
29:11this the recording of what we were just
29:13talking about your interaction with them
29:15at Starbucks on Fountain Mesa on January
29:1828 2020. it is have you had a chance to
29:21listen to that recording I did is it a
29:23fair and accurate representation of that
29:25interview yes at this time I'd move
29:27forward admission of people's 335 and
29:29request permission to
29:31published all right exhibit 335 will be
29:34admitted go ahead and before we publish
29:37it
29:38um the person that you had contact with
29:40that
29:41um identified as Leticia stouk uh did
29:43that person have the same voice as the
29:45person you talked to on the phone just a
29:46little bit prior to this actual meeting
29:48yes she did do you see that same person
29:50in the courtroom today yes I do will you
29:52please identify her for the jury
29:54pointing out where she is sitting and
29:55what she's wearing
29:56she's sitting at the defendant's table
29:58she has a pink shirt on uh with her head
30:01resting on her hand yes all right ask
30:04that the record reflect she has
30:05identified the defendant the record will
30:07still reflect go ahead and then uh
30:09permission to publish people's 335 and
30:12it is 55 minutes and 54 seconds sure and
30:15is this audio only yes this is audio
30:17only go ahead
30:26okay
30:31I wasn't sure really what you're going
30:33to be in yeah
30:35so
30:39um do you guys just want to stand out
30:41here or do you want to go in the we can
30:42go in
30:47here
30:55non-detected Buffalo by the way okay
30:57let's see that's my partner detective
30:59Riley sorry I'm just a little bit
31:08silly foreign
31:39and so we
31:41I just want to start from the beginning
31:43to make sure that I have accurate
31:45information
31:46so your name ma'am it's t-e-c-i-a-n
31:53- anything same last name
31:57a uch
31:58your date of birth
32:05give me the address because I don't
32:07think that's Street games right it's
32:08just Mandan m-a-n-d-a-n
32:14how long have you guys lived there for a
32:17little over a year yeah
32:20and your name sir
32:22um
33:04so tell me a little bit about Justin
33:06Gannon
33:08how old is he 11. attention
33:17that's not true
33:19right that's what I was told to
33:22real life everything we're doing based
33:24in the
33:25smiles
33:29yeah last night takes her okay
33:49did you go to Fort silks win yeah just I
33:52left Sunday I just I've been there one
33:53day
33:54it's cold outside
33:57Grand Mountain yeah it's in our
33:59neighborhood I was going to say I think
34:01that's a new one that opened up each
34:02other
34:06most of his friends are right there like
34:08right around our house like he has the
34:11boys that live right at the industry
34:13um he plays with them most of the time
34:15but uh Braden is his name what's
34:17brayden's last name
34:19I mean I got all his parents phone
34:21numbers and we talked to him all the
34:22time
34:23if I could get their number too yeah so
34:27we have Brayden I don't know
34:29[Music]
34:31it's they're like and two famous they
34:34live in the same house but they're like
34:35related so well Connor I know
34:38there's a Conor but he goes the rip show
34:40I'm actually like because they re-zoned
34:42them because of the new school or
34:43whatever so he went there last year
34:47there too she works at um yeah she works
34:50at Webster
34:53so this is one of them
34:57so like I said I think his two brothers
34:59and their families live in the same
35:00house
35:01um and they got like three or four kids
35:03but that's associated to Brighton uh
35:06that's Braden's Uncle I got Braden's mom
35:08in there too
35:10but you can get two things or just got
35:13another system
35:19what was the last time again I went to
35:21school
35:23yeah so again I went to school on Friday
35:25yeah
35:29when does he return home from school
35:34yeah 305 or 3 15. they changed
35:42it wasn't like last night
35:50so Brayden and Connor are those the only
35:53two friends uh I mean I don't even know
35:57I'm looking he wants to meet a volatile
36:02like I know the Performing our house
36:08uh so Lily is my really my daughter's
36:11friend but she has a brother that
36:13scanning's age as well
36:15and they kind of live like right behind
36:16us what is the brother's name um
36:21so they live on the next street over and
36:25sometimes they'll ride their bikes over
36:26there but they mainly play with these
36:27boys these parade and then uh
36:30right next door to them that's a group
36:32of girls that my daughter plays well
36:35I just know their mom
36:37camera is the mom and that's her number
36:40right there potato one oh
36:47yeah
36:49so that's a mom
36:51uh my daughter's friends there's like
36:53three girls but one of them is the age
36:55of being it yeah I mean they're all
36:56their kids are like rain you know they
36:58range from like first grade so be their
37:01neighbors yeah they live two or three
37:03houses down but they live next door to
37:05one of them
37:06okay
37:08and that's about it that's all they
37:10really play with now he's got some other
37:11friends at the school but he doesn't
37:13never really does awesome stuff like
37:15that
37:16um point of concern was this right here
37:19this is where the concern started uh
37:24I see the text message and send him
37:27okay so this was I stayed at home
37:30yesterday because his stomach was
37:32hurting so you got hiking on Sunday
37:34okay yeah
37:39probably about I don't know
37:42a few feet in he's like all my stomach
37:45hurts I'm like you know it's probably
37:46because you haven't been you know like
37:47exercising
37:50for a while because he gets like really
37:53bad constipation and so his stomach was
37:56hurting other than that and I was you
37:58you were either on the plane
38:00we're like texting back and forth and I
38:03was like should I just stay at home
38:04because I didn't there was a lot of
38:07stuff coming out a little bit and so I
38:09was like I didn't want anyone to someone
38:10like that scared
38:15and he gets really down and embarrassed
38:17about something yeah so he gets
38:19embarrassed he's very like emotional
38:21about that type of thing because it's
38:22sad about it so he stayed at home well I
38:25mean we went about and then got the dogs
38:28some some new outfits through that to a
38:31new company so we went down to dogs at
38:34the Petco I think it's on holes
38:38Courtney Nevada exit maybe I don't know
38:41the numbers but I know Savannah and the
38:43pools right there and so we went to
38:45Nevada and we're called
38:48um she said in the car because he wasn't
38:50feeling a little bit I wanted to make
38:51sure he was gonna eat and I think he
38:53said he'd like and stuff like that
38:56um I think that's about it
38:57okay came back whatever
39:01um so when we came back he was sexy new
39:04that's right yeah so so he he had
39:07spilled a candle in the house whatever
39:09you know he was because
39:12it's felt like he was smelling bad
39:13because it was accident he met a candle
39:15and we're playing leads throughout the
39:16pandas so he got really upset because he
39:18made a mess about that too so they
39:20turned up where he starts to take from
39:22me I'm in Oklahoma so he told me my time
39:25he's trying to stay positive you know
39:29um
39:30so he's worried about
39:34sister said he was really worried about
39:35getting in trouble for the for example
39:37the accident before the candle down so
39:39then right here I was like we'll talk
39:41later and he's like do we have bath
39:43salts and I'm like immediately I know I
39:45know what that's all about so I'm like
39:46you know what's going on or where did he
39:49even hear this from so I immediately
39:51take service like we have a little bit
39:52for guys and stuff so I was like hit all
39:54the stuff we used for our bathroom put
39:56them away somewhere so we can't access
39:58it so we find out what's going on and
40:01then I asked him for what so with that
40:04the day before when he tells me this I
40:07said
40:07he came in and asked me did we have him
40:10the day before which was the Sunday and
40:13I so I gave him a bath bomb because I
40:15usually didn't know that's all I didn't
40:17know so I gave him a bath bomb we went
40:19to the about I still was clueless to the
40:22basketball team
40:23so then then he tells me this my friend
40:26said if I got some we could play this
40:28weekend and I told him no absolutely so
40:30we were still talking at this point and
40:32then he was like he went on a little bit
40:35then he's like his brother has a car for
40:37a sleepover if I can come over Friday
40:39that's kind of kind of an individual
40:42that would be just some more days so
40:45that's where we get the idea that we may
40:48have left or something well no she told
40:50her I told her he was doing what so when
40:54she does which they do all the time they
40:56walk out and they're like you know where
40:57you going to be back such and such a
40:59time they're always maybe he's 10
41:00minutes late but you know nothing like
41:02this whatever so
41:05I don't even know who this friend is
41:06that's the biggest concern on the
41:10surface that's why she said I always
41:12like to walk over and meet hey blah blah
41:15blah oh yeah
41:27we got some names of other kids on the
41:30bus that I think plays with and so we
41:32kind of hunted them down last time what
41:34they did while I was on the way that I
41:36found one kid named Jimmy but he wasn't
41:38they had seen him and then they were
41:40like well this kid has an older brother
41:41or whatever and they went to their house
41:42and they're like no we haven't seen it
41:44so that's when it really
42:09and the guy was like yeah that's my son
42:11and then he was like I'm sorry to tell
42:13you guys but we don't have a whole world
42:16I don't know if she said Jimmy was the
42:18older school but whatever it was Dad
42:21said there was no older song that was in
42:24their home
42:26but it was like he said pieces were
42:29coming in from different kids trying to
42:31give us information and names
42:46Nintendo or you know watching cartoons
42:50you know sometimes you gotta I gotta
42:52make and go right it's like regularly so
42:54he's not one just to walk off and you
42:56know he's had times where he's been a
42:58little embarrassed about his seat still
43:00to come but never anything to drive him
43:03about something like that so that's why
43:05I mean I had to come to groups because
43:08I'm pretty convinced that something bad
43:11we kind of we put ourselves kind of
43:13broken down to and he didn't feel like
43:15he's at a house where some fun stuff was
43:18going on
43:20anybody call the school yet yeah the
43:22principal called this morning
43:25like can you give us any information I
43:28knew she couldn't but I wanted to start
43:29that monologue so can you give us some
43:31information about being his friends or
43:33anything she's like no but I could go
43:40all right
43:49intubation was not going to help getting
43:51in and um yeah they also just sent an
43:55email
43:56do not reply the district you know just
43:58came to this about the principal said
44:00he's sending out all families okay so
44:03yeah so they're they're doing their
44:04business
44:07um
44:11a social media accounts I don't even let
44:14him get along
44:16does he have a phone obviously
44:19like we checked with that I checked the
44:23phone logs on my my TNT account and yeah
44:28so we have the capability to do a
44:33download on the phone
44:35and potentially see things that are
44:37generated
44:38you and I wouldn't see immediately
44:41um it would be like in cash data or
44:43whatever
44:44um
44:45to be willing to let us look at his
44:48phone do that download see just to make
44:50sure that he didn't have deleted
44:52something that um
44:56okay
44:57um
44:58so it's an iPhone yes
45:06yeah that would be great if we could oh
45:10we'll get there but I brought this
45:12because I have some of my buddies at
45:14work were like yeah right yeah um
45:20to the internet somewhere right or maybe
45:23somewhere and play this game on their
45:24Wi-Fi is the Nintendo switch missing
45:27yeah he had it with us so like he was
45:29going to play games that's obviously you
45:32know he's going for our games with his
45:35buddy or something
45:36um what's a serial number on there
45:46that's it
45:52so it's me other than the stomach issues
45:55since we have any other
45:57ailments disabilities we just uh he
46:00takes
46:01um ADHD medicine
46:04that's never really caused him a problem
46:06other than he makes Straight A's he got
46:08actually got his first beat his past
46:09time so that's it yeah
46:17all right
46:19um
46:20yeah let me give you this phone number
46:25I don't know if you have to subpoena
46:27information or not but so my friend
46:30looked us up and found
46:31um
46:34connection location for the switch and
46:37that's
46:38and I just he found something on any
46:39note that said that so it's it's always
46:41worth looking into it yeah we've got a
46:44database of stuff that we work with so
46:46we will be able to upon a contact if
46:50that service exists so bad
47:03yeah look up only one something that was
47:07oh that's okay are there any other
47:10children
47:14the 17 year old
47:18biologically about the girls no so I
47:21have I have Shannon and my
47:24eight-year-old daughter
47:26and their their mom is on the way now so
47:28she's going to be here but
47:32um the sister's name
47:35what's her date of birth yeah
47:41and
47:42you have custody of both of them I do
47:44what is mom's name technically shared
47:47but uh
47:49so I I would call it that's under here
47:52mom's name is Landon l-a-n-e
47:57ight do you know her last name teach
48:01date of birth uh
48:04or 11 85. and we have one of the child
48:07in the home as well her dialogue
48:09daughter okay what is Mom's phone number
48:13phone number yeah
48:15and you said it's your biological
48:17daughter
48:25what's Harley super 5102
48:29um
48:39you mentioned younger children in the
48:41world well mainly I was meeting Elena
48:44because here's what happened one of the
48:46people called this morning and she was
48:49sleeping and for the long conversations
48:51and she's been like described and things
48:54like that yeah and she already has like
48:57a preconditioner and anxiety but she
48:59gets there yeah it worked up easily so I
49:02just she's having a hard time because
49:04like the National Guard came over here
49:07so many people they found it so she's
49:10it's a lot
49:14um I guess the search history has been
49:16deleted but like that
49:18one right there Monday afternoon I and I
49:21don't know I I don't see a time on that
49:23so I don't know when that happened but
49:26I'm sure that could be gone but it says
49:27can my parent find myself one of his
49:30Auto so
49:32I don't know if he had to take this
49:35where does f g t e b that's so this FGTV
49:41some little kids show that they work the
49:43kids watch and uh they got Mike Franklin
49:46YouTube thing that's going on
49:57yeah
49:59is he talking to any girls no actually a
50:03joke wasn't about that but he had a
50:05puberty class and he was like I don't
50:07want to do like yeah they just like
50:08little puberty class in school so he's
50:10still in the film yeah good
50:15now if you see the messages that say to
50:17Mommy in the last day that's me talk to
50:19his mom because I don't I don't give her
50:22my own decision yeah
50:24search for some stuff on the maps
50:30so he searched for 10315 Declaration of
50:34that again
50:37declaration is probably something else
50:41right yeah Oh Glory yeah
50:46what date was that 10315 declaration
50:52it's just graphic phones Wilson Ranch
50:55yeah I mean that's our neighborhood
50:56right declaration declaration
51:00yeah
51:06but we were we were driving around over
51:08there and somebody said that they saw a
51:11camera
51:16I was wrong
51:21wow look at that
51:25but how does it make any sense because
51:27he went the other directions
51:36and some of the people
51:38it's only because like so this is this
51:40is the one I pulled up is a map I don't
51:43have any
51:45computer
51:50so that's when I click on it
51:53so the exactly
51:58operations
52:12okay
52:16I'm trying to drive by your house and
52:18send it
52:20was kind of farther towards the school
52:21than our house so that backs up yeah
52:24we're up right at the front
52:26that first section
52:37s
52:46we're going to use cell phone so
52:49basically on what the cell phone waivers
52:52would say is that we're gonna we're
52:55gonna prompt this phone with your permit
52:57then
52:58you have the constitutional right not to
53:00have it searched without having a
53:01warrant I think that at this point
53:05started yes so everything that's on that
53:08to include all deleted items everything
53:11it just makes a copy of everything and
53:13then we'll get it back to you and we'll
53:15analyze the copy that we take from it
53:18um again it's you're you're providing
53:21consent I can't force you into doing it
53:23um and I would have to clean a search
53:25warrant and provide a few days
53:27uh 28. I believe so yeah
53:35so we will we'll be performed
53:39and start searching for the person
53:42through that
53:43where might he go other than does he
53:47have any other relatives in here very
53:49well
53:50more relatives in the area it's just us
53:52in the city for instance
53:54yeah I don't know I don't recognize it
53:56we're almost in the car over there I
53:58have to figure out why it's quiet
54:02did you ask about the that's all
54:04conflict address
54:06yeah so we don't know that just the
54:09friend we don't know who the friend is I
54:12could show you all that's sitting he
54:14said to me was best songs like do we
54:16have a name we wanted to take him to a
54:18friend's house yeah let me pull up say
54:21oh
54:26foreign
55:05and in context with that at the same
55:08time we need as soon as you say bath
55:09salts I got about my first word was like
55:11Hey you have something would you think
55:14that's perfect that's like Get It All
55:16Hiding put it away yeah
55:23so like you see it's very big there's no
55:26like
55:27a friend's name or where they live or
55:30anything because the insane was to have
55:32that conversation
55:45is
55:53I'm sorry when did you say you went to
55:54Fort Philip I left a Sunday morning well
55:57actually I want somebody back because my
55:59mom flew outside Saturday night
56:01my flight will soon be boring and then I
56:04got close got there Sunday
56:06at One Day At Last and then this all
56:08happened Monday night
56:10which was yeah yesterday I came back and
56:13what time did you guys go to Petco
56:16okay
56:38because Lena went with us hiking but
56:40later
56:41[Music]
56:42and
56:46[Music]
56:47obviously
56:55um
57:13sending the car to the house the only
57:16thing I can think of though if that was
57:19the person that we took the jingle
57:20basket to
57:22was with me
57:25so if it ends up being the person like
57:27the neighborhood the jingle basket
57:29that's the only thing because it was
57:30somebody in person so you go like people
57:34was that would have been December so I
57:36don't know
57:37I don't know if that's their address I'm
57:40just saying that
57:45like I said like literally from what she
57:48explained everything was consistent with
57:50I'm going to play with my friends so it
57:52was like whatever clothes you had on he
57:55had we make him put his plate shoes on
57:56we got nice shoes and places he had his
57:58place you thought so I mean it was
58:01pretty obvious that his intuitive was
58:02like I'm not leaving but I'm going to
58:04play and I'm you know doing everything
58:06I'm supposed to do and she let him take
58:07a switch
58:08I mean that's don't really ever do that
58:11so
58:13that's interesting well when was the
58:15last time you talked to his mom there
58:18Sunday
58:20he had been talking to he talked to it
58:22right he talked almost I see okay five
58:24times a week
58:25I know you're talking about Friday and
58:27Saturday because my mom was here and you
58:29know he he was on the phone number so
58:33sorry there's just a lot of stuff
58:39thank you
58:43so bio mom's coming in foreign
58:55I mean not to add any confusion to it
58:59but like
59:00the moms married to a guy that's got a
59:02lot of trouble with the law that was one
59:03of my first instincts when it was like
59:05when the come and go thing came up and
59:07they said that he walked in on
59:08nonchalant like everything was normal it
59:10was like like a dude was here or
59:12something because he's he's got a lot of
59:14trouble like that in his background so I
59:16was like it came to my mind it's worth
59:18it went down to it I mean I don't know
59:20if it's anything legit does she have
59:22your address
59:24yeah
59:27I know we just it says I disarmed the
59:30fan on
59:32Monday January 27th at 2 29 so that's
59:36when we leave little and I set the back
59:38door
59:39because I would have like let the dogs
59:41out back then so that's when I that's
59:43when you got home I'm still slowing up I
59:46just didn't have to go
59:47and then let's see he says
59:52basement motion
59:55my medicine it's not showing when I said
59:58the alarm but it says
59:59um living room and basement ocean at 10
1:00:0310 80.
1:00:08so Monday January 27th I learned the
1:00:12alarm at 10 05 am
1:00:16Channel Five Guys that's what time I
1:00:19earned it so I'm assuming
1:00:21yeah because we had motion that morning
1:00:23because we were there which alarm do you
1:00:26use ADT Construction Company
1:00:31what what did you you participated in
1:00:34jingle
1:00:36they do these little basket things where
1:00:38like they would like a group on Facebook
1:00:40or wherever like 17 women and families
1:00:43just said a dollar amount and it's like
1:00:46okay you bring a basket of stuff to
1:00:48their house
1:00:52okay so it's like a secret santa I don't
1:00:54know something like that but for the
1:00:55neighborhood
1:00:57I could either work on the lighting if
1:01:01you want to see the professor Edward she
1:01:02said it doesn't matter weapons
1:01:09okay
1:01:30has he ever left before so
1:01:34I mean and our parents says this but
1:01:37he's a pretty pretty straight up kids
1:01:40and uh
1:01:42whatever he does wrong like the only
1:01:44thing he ever sneaks is you know playing
1:01:47the games if he's grounded or something
1:01:48that's a that's it I mean other than
1:01:51that you know he does his chores I mean
1:01:53he makes Straight A's kind-hearted for
1:01:55me a buses with a sister yeah to that I
1:01:58know
1:02:00the counselor has said everything yes
1:02:02yeah so I I because of um
1:02:06so his mom in the situation with that
1:02:09her husband like she she basically has
1:02:12lost everything because I had a place to
1:02:14live I've gone through a lot you know
1:02:17and on drugs and stuff so I got custody
1:02:18of them it's been pretty hard you know
1:02:21for any kid and um I went to some of
1:02:23that as I did so I was like it's getting
1:02:25a counseling just just to be you know
1:02:27certain there's nothing that they're
1:02:28dealing with and they know it's okay to
1:02:30talk so well they go like once a month
1:02:31on base and uh I always ask at the end
1:02:35of the session hey is there anything
1:02:36alarming that he brought up or anything
1:02:38I need to know about and yeah for him
1:02:41it's it's nothing that he's just opening
1:02:43and you know he's going through normal
1:02:44emotions of uh you know loving mom and
1:02:47love with Dad and stuff like that but
1:02:49nothing okay you need it does he go on
1:02:52Carson's yes and what's the counselor's
1:02:56name I have her number yeah that'd be
1:02:59great looking through this phone and
1:03:01listening to you it's exactly like
1:03:04looking through a 12 year old
1:03:17unless he's done it behind my back I
1:03:20know he gets on YouTube and watches some
1:03:22stuff but I have absolutely said no
1:03:24online game so unless he's got on there
1:03:27and figured it out then not necessarily
1:03:30communicating through the game we've had
1:03:32apps and stuff if you can talk back and
1:03:34post it with your time maybe
1:03:38like something to those instead of text
1:03:40message agents and you could say good
1:03:43thing you see without recognizing it
1:03:46um
1:03:50so I don't recognize any of us
1:03:55um
1:03:57yeah and usually once again he's pretty
1:04:01innocently by telling us or at least
1:04:04hitting at things and he's never even
1:04:06like said oh I learned this and this how
1:04:10he learns is he researches like YouTube
1:04:11and stuff I see the way he was talking
1:04:13to you in his text messages about
1:04:16people
1:04:17but I did block him
1:04:21because he was using Tick Tock out of
1:04:24some uh choking game yes that I noticed
1:04:28and you know paying attention to you
1:04:30know what the news and all that I
1:04:36because of the bad I'm sure there's good
1:04:39stuff with that stuff that encourages
1:04:40those challenges or whatever when was
1:04:43that Xfinity
1:04:48or yeah yeah I did that because I look
1:04:53over and it was so some people were
1:04:55choking and reporters I don't know I
1:04:59guess they got high
1:05:00like you chose yourself or something
1:05:03and so he was laughing but I think he's
1:05:07been giving us just people being silly I
1:05:10don't think he was realizing like how
1:05:12serious that was so I told him the story
1:05:14of Chicago which was a true story he was
1:05:17playing quarter gaming without his
1:05:19throat he had to go to the hospital and
1:05:22so then he kind of looked into like you
1:05:23know like it was serious so I didn't see
1:05:25anything else about it and think he was
1:05:28going to do anything like that I just
1:05:30thought he was having he thought it was
1:05:31funny to see is
1:05:38I know the kids are obviously influence
1:05:41you know that but
1:05:42he would never like smoking or anything
1:05:45like that because his his mom's done got
1:05:49in that stuff since we split up and
1:05:51stepdad as well and then and his grandma
1:05:54his mom's mom smokes are about and so he
1:05:58knows that that causes you know bad
1:06:01stuff and then the thing was in his book
1:06:03bag
1:06:11initially she found nothing but then
1:06:13after he disappeared they went back and
1:06:15no no I didn't love her to look at
1:06:17initially no you asked me to go look at
1:06:20uh I think other things found a two pack
1:06:24of those little Swisher Sweets yeah
1:06:26I don't know somebody had to give him
1:06:28though when did you find those last time
1:06:31yeah so I sent Harley to go do it so
1:06:33earliest was like pulling out the book
1:06:35bag stuff and she's like oh I didn't see
1:06:36anything and then the boat she got a
1:06:38folder in her head that dropped that
1:06:40folder so she was a textile but it
1:06:43didn't look like anything yesterday
1:06:49Connor not not as much because uh
1:06:54uh I don't know did they talk to the
1:06:55police last night
1:06:58I was texting the other parents because
1:07:01they were out in the neighborhood
1:07:02looking forward
1:07:03yeah looking around yeah
1:07:08I know I know they taught them uh
1:07:12all right there you go I don't know but
1:07:15I do know she was there at the time what
1:07:19if the Rubicon Drive address
1:07:21Rubicon driver so Lily and
1:07:33I spoke about earlier they live on
1:07:36Rubicon which I think is the street
1:07:37right behind us
1:07:40behind us but I don't know anybody I
1:07:42thought Gap home was behind us okay hold
1:07:44on let me look at it
1:07:46what is it again
1:07:48nine eight six five
1:07:58it was listed in the report you guys
1:08:00gave it through yeah I didn't give
1:08:02anybody who
1:08:04there was information that you wanted to
1:08:06go to a party with an that went
1:08:08to sleep over
1:08:09is that right
1:08:11no so no he said I want to go to a
1:08:13friend's house they said bring bath
1:08:15salts and my older brother
1:08:17yeah that's that's piecing it all
1:08:19together but they didn't get a
1:08:20tournament yeah
1:08:21same thing
1:08:22okay so this Rubicon
1:08:26we live on Mandan right here that route
1:08:28upon would be those boys that uh
1:08:31Braden's family right here I'm sure
1:08:32that's um so that's Bradenton town I
1:08:35would assume that by because they don't
1:08:37know anybody else okay yeah
1:08:41well I don't know Rubicon goes around
1:08:43here so unless he was going to somewhere
1:08:45right there I don't know but the boys do
1:08:48lived at a roof on then they reach live
1:08:49on Capital so I also we also have a
1:08:52definitely
1:09:07Linda Reese
1:09:11or Reese Linda
1:09:14oh at that uh declaration house
1:09:18I mean to know if there's any kids there
1:09:21would have to go through a school bra
1:09:22slick that's what they're doing now
1:09:24everybody home they had any kids
1:09:28okay
1:09:30wisely would have searched that address
1:09:33Etc and start from there so okay
1:09:36foreign
1:10:09Sean Donahue uh Chris on itself this is
1:10:13a El Paso County yes Deputy Sean Donahue
1:10:16I think is the one I talked to because
1:10:18he said he would text me the case number
1:10:20well and then but then he said we got
1:10:23come and go footage so I texted him back
1:10:25yeah I mean
1:10:29that clerk said oh yeah
1:10:37work
1:11:00and a clerk said yes no
1:11:02definitely ran the new video the kid
1:11:05designed for the video buying the chips
1:11:06yeah he doesn't think it's your thumb
1:11:08okay but he's gonna he doesn't need over
1:11:10their back now if we can go there and
1:11:12look at it but we just can't get a copy
1:11:14of it yeah
1:11:17I was over there when I don't know who
1:11:19was over there at like 11 30. there was
1:11:22another deputy over there
1:11:24guys
1:11:26yeah so I've you know driving around I
1:11:29saw a spot car or whatever there I
1:11:31pulled in and I said hey can I look at
1:11:34it put it he said I don't have
1:11:35permission for that but he said I've
1:11:37looked over an hour and a half I don't
1:11:39see Sports of your son or something
1:11:43that's close
1:11:46all right
1:11:55I'll need a username and password I got
1:11:58it in my phone
1:12:01um
1:12:11okay
1:12:15I saw a
1:12:17screenshot on the phone and put a kid on
1:12:20a sidewalk or something like that
1:12:22if you guys somebody said that so
1:12:26spin life 100
1:12:29um videos photos that I went through and
1:12:32I know that a couple of them were
1:12:34what what appears to be him because it's
1:12:38the same outfit the same looks like the
1:12:40end of people's folding online
1:12:43they had like 400 Comics to go through
1:12:46so that that should be the iCloud
1:12:49username and password
1:12:52[Music]
1:12:56yeah you can write on it and that's the
1:12:58Gmail username and password yeah do you
1:13:01care if I just take a picture of that
1:13:03you have a screenshot and send it to you
1:13:09like
1:13:11me
1:13:16oh yeah
1:13:19way up in this meeting yes sir all right
1:13:21what's your uh what's your number
1:13:22719-208-1406
1:13:28all right
1:13:38so let me do my sapling and I just left
1:13:40my that's my daughter's iCloud too not
1:13:43that it will matter but just in case I
1:13:45just left that one on there for you
1:13:46you're pretty sure yeah okay
1:13:49but I mean so where was this one taken
1:13:52out
1:14:03okay
1:14:19so you know
1:14:24let's see
1:14:32and that one was that one was somewhere
1:14:34over the lighthouse yeah what video here
1:14:36we didn't beat over the coming girl
1:14:39same way I was like I don't really make
1:14:41it
1:14:44right here
1:14:46well this is why this is fine so we'll
1:14:51all be in there they only let you do the
1:14:53just for you keep on clipping so
1:14:55everybody in the house with phones have
1:14:58to get okay
1:15:17and then I'll get in there and be like
1:15:19what number am I putting in and try them
1:15:21all if anybody searched the United
1:15:22States yeah
1:15:24yeah so that's that was the first thing
1:15:26they did was um it was about six people
1:15:31um
1:15:32and because we waited about four hours
1:15:36and the first thing they come in they
1:15:38just were like hey they need to guide
1:15:40you maybe have to learn in like I guess
1:15:43like search what I say and stuff like
1:15:45that and then they said well
1:15:48um typically or sometimes kids can like
1:15:51hide and someone tell me something about
1:15:53it's going to be in the jar and not
1:15:55realize something you could breathe we
1:15:57know like different places so the guy
1:16:00went through every room and all the
1:16:01officers and everybody else like stood
1:16:03this way and he did like flashlights and
1:16:07checked all the spots to make sure he
1:16:09wasn't like hiding because at this point
1:16:12we had already been so long I had if he
1:16:14he doesn't ever come into hide he might
1:16:16be like a play like behind that game but
1:16:19you know not like anything
1:16:21yeah so he went in like all of our
1:16:24closets we like
1:16:27then we looked at the alarm to see like
1:16:31if there was any motion that might have
1:16:33been in any direction that we you know
1:16:36like we didn't know
1:16:39so we spent provided to it he did it we
1:16:41spent a while doing that went over
1:16:42certain things like walked me around
1:16:44they were like does he always leave this
1:16:46here the clothes that were laid out
1:16:49supposed to be laid up when he goes out
1:16:50of town and it's you know just me there
1:16:52I try to lay out all that goes and I do
1:16:54it for him too if I'm somewhere so they
1:16:56can just get up and find their clothes
1:16:58so they were like all these clothes are
1:17:00laid out and I was like yeah it's Monday
1:17:02Tuesday Wednesday because he's got like
1:17:04two bits so can you see other man just
1:17:06like the layout always up so they walked
1:17:08through he just asked simple questions
1:17:10normally do this yeah
1:17:17you're working on the Nintendo right now
1:17:22that way
1:17:33okay
1:17:35so you have a gamer ID on that switch
1:17:40um
1:17:41yeah
1:17:46it might be absolutely
1:17:49yeah yeah we he had one and then we got
1:17:53the new system we just created to work
1:17:54on this program
1:18:05um
1:18:06when he goes to play I know you had said
1:18:08that you have to like basically kick
1:18:10about the door
1:18:11ride his bike event when he does that
1:18:14side where does he go it's just the
1:18:16brain's house well you don't have to
1:18:17kick him outside he's not on his face
1:18:32so and so it wears off it might be a you
1:18:35know like I don't know how to play
1:18:37zombies
1:18:39so when it wears off like if it's the
1:18:41weekend and we give it something because
1:18:42we have to go to church he would not go
1:18:44outside on a Sunday because it's still
1:18:45in the systematic church
1:18:47he didn't take it because he didn't take
1:18:50it Saturday he didn't take it because we
1:18:52went hiking because we did a six mile
1:18:53hike he didn't say get Sunday I'm sorry
1:18:56that was Sunday he didn't take it
1:18:57Saturday he didn't take it Sunday he
1:18:58didn't take it Monday which caused the
1:19:01stomach problem
1:19:02so he was always
1:19:07foreign
1:19:48that's all I see
1:19:50purchase
1:20:24um
1:21:43there's a
1:22:05foreign
1:23:01our neighborhood
1:23:03our house as I learned from them like
1:23:06that
1:23:07two intersection dead end right here
1:23:12that's what I referenced and then
1:23:14basically you come and you go straight
1:23:17to their house so this is This Is Us
1:23:21that's uh Mandan right yeah
1:23:27we'll start doing my back searching
1:23:31we'll be out there all right you said
1:23:35which uh season
1:23:39Connor they live over like Academy or
1:23:43something somewhere yeah over way over
1:23:45Up Academy it's just his mom teaches at
1:23:47that Webster School or works there so
1:23:49that he goes to uh honor his mom's
1:23:51number did you give for that no we we
1:23:55got five questions 15 other things yeah
1:23:58sorry
1:24:00so Brayden is on Route
1:24:04again yeah
1:24:14okay we're doing everything we can for
1:24:17you right now thank you so much you guys
1:24:19up we got your number uh it's charged
1:24:21okay okay thank you
1:24:23okay
1:24:25that'll work and so this is uh
1:24:30school it's down here Grand Mountain
1:24:33it's just the reference and what is it
1:24:36what is
1:24:37the main main drag coming in
1:24:43foreign
1:24:53so what I think we're going to do is
1:24:55we're gonna
1:24:56have a card on your phone
1:25:00um
1:25:01we're gonna head down to talk to to see
1:25:04if we can get a hold of Braden yeah
1:25:12might be in school
1:25:14um and he goes he goes to Grand Mountain
1:25:17yeah they are okay the whole
1:25:19neighborhood does now except okay well
1:25:21Connor's because he's way over here
1:25:23somewhere else
1:25:25Braden does we're trying to talk to
1:25:27Braden we're gonna get a dump on the
1:25:29phone
1:25:31um Sergeant pass the guy that was
1:25:33sitting here um he's also working on the
1:25:36things in the area too with other
1:25:38patrols you sort of like the lead for uh
1:25:40in the field we're going to see what
1:25:42information we can gather from there
1:25:44um and I will inform you guys as soon as
1:25:48I can completely fine if something comes
1:25:51up no matter how minute please call us
1:25:54okay
1:25:56um that 208 number that you texted
1:25:58that's my direct self so um and I think
1:26:01I called you on it so he should have an
1:26:03earphone so yeah hit me up let me know
1:26:06what's going on if I don't answer
1:26:08immediately send me a text too okay okay
1:26:11all right guys
1:26:17that's a good place for a Break
1:26:20um ladies and gentlemen uh we will take
1:26:21our morning break if I can have everyone
1:26:23back in the Jury Room at say 10 40 we
1:26:26should be able to start on time at that
1:26:27point all right for the jury please
1:26:59um
1:27:02thank you ma'am you see the record
1:27:04should reflect the Terry has left the
1:27:06courtroom Ms Bethel I want to apologize
1:27:07to you I didn't realize that the video
1:27:09was or the audio was going to be that
1:27:11long
1:27:12um I would have offered you a seat in
1:27:14the gallery as we have other Witnesses
1:27:16because that witness share is not the
1:27:18most comfortable to be sitting there for
1:27:19uh 55 minutes and 12 seconds listening
1:27:23to something so
1:27:25um next time uh we'll do a better job
1:27:27about that so what are we doing next
1:27:29just continuing with her there will be
1:27:31another video here shortly that is much
1:27:34shorter
1:27:36yeah three minutes and 43 seconds will
1:27:39be coming up here in just a little bit
1:27:40and then we'll get into the really long
1:27:42one which is four hours and 19 minutes
1:27:45okay
1:27:46so we'll probably get about
1:27:49a little less than half of that done
1:27:50before lunch hopefully yeah just find a
1:27:53good breaking point for that and then
1:27:55we'll go over there okay all right
1:27:58portal being recess you can go ahead and
1:28:01step down
1:28:05okay so they're taking a little break
1:28:07until they said 10 40. so that's 6 40 my
1:28:11time I don't know what time it is for
1:28:12you so there's a 20 minute break or so
1:28:14can you guys hear me I hope so I'm just
1:28:16checking okay I always just check rather
1:28:18otherwise like no I can't hear you
1:28:20well that was an interesting
1:28:23call I know the audio quality wasn't so
1:28:25great I know but to hear
1:28:30Leticia giggling and lying and
1:28:34really throwing the victim under the bus
1:28:36of course
1:28:37wow so yes what we have after the break
1:28:40they're going to be playing they're
1:28:41going to be still across
1:28:44examining the the witness whose name is
1:28:48just hold on we'll get it again uh
1:28:50detective Jess Bethel who was the lead
1:28:52detective on Gannon staff's case so man
1:28:56that chair must have been uncomfortable
1:28:57for 55 minutes to sit in that witness
1:28:59chair okay and so we're gonna hear a
1:29:02little bit more from her they'll be
1:29:05asking her questions there's going to be
1:29:07a three minute and 43 second video
1:29:09they're gonna play then for today the
1:29:12plan is to show a full hour and 19
1:29:14minute interrogation video and they're
1:29:17gonna have to split that somehow so that
1:29:19they can break for lunch because they're
1:29:21coming back at 10 40 right normally
1:29:23lunches
1:29:24about an hour 40 later maybe maybe
1:29:27between 12 and half past 12 somewhere
1:29:29there maybe they'll have lunch today at
1:29:30around half past 12 or so
1:29:32um this will be one full stream
1:29:34if all goes well
1:29:36with the with a tick that's the only
1:29:39reason I would then split it now is if
1:29:41something goes wrong with I don't know
1:29:42the computer otherwise we're going to be
1:29:44here for a full stream
1:29:46um today welcome to all the new members
1:29:48by the way welcome so yeah that was
1:29:51intense so I got some questions I don't
1:29:52know about you I saw you asking
1:29:54questions as well
1:29:56basically they play this 55 minute audio
1:29:59when Ganon went missing and it was when
1:30:03Al had already flown back so Leticia had
1:30:06picked L up from the airport from
1:30:09Colorado Springs airport so L was
1:30:13deployed for the National Guard and he
1:30:15had gone from Denver and he gone to
1:30:17Oklahoma for training you're supposed to
1:30:19be gone for just less than a week or so
1:30:20from what we read from the probable
1:30:22cause affidavit but then in hearing that
1:30:24Ganon was missing that he went to play
1:30:26video games with a friend and just
1:30:27didn't return Al immediately got on a
1:30:29plane and came back home
1:30:31and so for him to be in that audio as
1:30:33well obviously he's there El Stark is
1:30:35ganon's biological father Leticia style
1:30:38stepmother of Ganon Al also has
1:30:42um a younger daughter younger than
1:30:45Gannon um Lena Lena was eight years old
1:30:47at the time Gannon was 11 and also
1:30:50living in the house was Harley hunt who
1:30:52is Leticia staff's biological daughter
1:30:54she was 17 years old at the time so what
1:30:58we can hear there there's a lot of
1:30:59background noise but we could hear L and
1:31:00Leticia talking and just relaying
1:31:02information to the lead detective
1:31:04um about
1:31:06Canon being missing you know Ganon you
1:31:09can hear L the whole time say again and
1:31:10left on foot and again and did that but
1:31:12that's everything that Leticia that
1:31:14light t-shirt had told him right
1:31:18interesting it's it's not working
1:31:21okay we can sort it out we could sort it
1:31:23out I don't know
1:31:25my bad I'll have to sort that out in a
1:31:27Break
1:31:28um
1:31:29sorry about that everyone
1:31:32all right so if you sorry I just want to
1:31:34address that quickly if you go to
1:31:35grizzlymerch.com that store is still
1:31:37open
1:31:40so that's a good one I just took that
1:31:41out of the nagpod come on for now but
1:31:43anyway moving on I digress so Leticia
1:31:46says that her I've always wondered she
1:31:49never talks about who else was on the
1:31:51hike you know she's always like we went
1:31:52on a higher Garden of the guards a six
1:31:54mile hike and she did you hear how she
1:31:56slipped up because she says yeah yeah on
1:31:58Saturday no no Sunday Sunday it was
1:32:00Sunday so apparently on Sunday there was
1:32:02a six hour hike at Garden of the Gods
1:32:04with Harley hunt
1:32:06but what I want to know was Lena also
1:32:09there because she hardly mentions Lena
1:32:10for that hike
1:32:13you know Elena would be 11 now so I
1:32:16wonder
1:32:16what if Lena of course they've asked her
1:32:18questions I just wondered did that hike
1:32:20even happen at all and on that hike you
1:32:22know the T-shirt previously said in
1:32:24calls that we heard between L and the
1:32:26teacher and other body cam clips and
1:32:28things that
1:32:30Gannon had pooped his pants three times
1:32:33on the hike that's she really
1:32:34exaggerates quite a lot but also what I
1:32:37found interesting is that she says he
1:32:38didn't take his meds on Saturday or
1:32:40Sunday or Monday now Monday January 27
1:32:422020 was the day that he was murdered
1:32:45she'd booked him off from school already
1:32:47on Sunday saying he's having stomach
1:32:49problems she also booked herself from
1:32:51work at 4 37 in the morning on Monday
1:32:53she was a teacher's assistant saying my
1:32:55stepdad got hit by a car and was killed
1:32:58so that was a very extreme
1:33:01excuse to book off from work right
1:33:03that's a red flag in itself but why if
1:33:06he was on ADHD meds why doesn't L ask
1:33:10and I'm not trying to blame him because
1:33:12I'm just wondering why isn't that not a
1:33:13red flag that like oh yeah he just
1:33:15didn't take his meds on Saturday Sunday
1:33:16or Monday why why did he why did Gannon
1:33:20suddenly stop taking his ADHD meds
1:33:22that's what I want to know because we
1:33:24also know he had hydrocodone in his
1:33:26system right
1:33:27that's weird and did she what you know
1:33:30what I mean like the midst thing is very
1:33:32very odd and then she was also giving
1:33:33him my relax and now on the audio we
1:33:36heard her kind of blaming the switch up
1:33:38of medication for the stomach problems
1:33:40but
1:33:42previously she said he struggled with
1:33:44constipation and that she'd given him my
1:33:46relax
1:33:48so then the bath salts one oh my word
1:33:53before I get to that let me first say
1:33:54the Nintendo Nintendo switch
1:33:57um remember she Googled Can Nintendo
1:33:58find my switch
1:34:01um well I think she used gannon's phone
1:34:02for that well the thing is
1:34:05um that apparently that switch was found
1:34:08under the TV cabinet at some point so
1:34:11they did eventually find it because what
1:34:12I got from the
1:34:14probable cause affidavit and all the
1:34:16coverage we've seen was that that switch
1:34:17was never found but apparently Landon's
1:34:20Landon gannon's mom did an interview
1:34:22with a YouTuber at some point and
1:34:25that information is now accepted on
1:34:27social media as they found the switch so
1:34:30that is what I'm basing that on
1:34:32um I haven't listened to that interview
1:34:33fully myself I haven't found it but I do
1:34:36see a lot on these Facebook groups and
1:34:38justice for again and all that that they
1:34:39talk about the switch being fun
1:34:42okay so I'm just quickly recapping my
1:34:45notes and I'm going to look what you
1:34:46guys are saying
1:34:47so the bath bomb
1:34:50I say bath bomb because Leticia says
1:34:52on Friday Gannon wanted to go play at a
1:34:55friend's house
1:34:56so Friday after school right that night
1:34:59have a sleepover whatever and then he
1:35:01had texted L to talk about bath salts
1:35:04can I take do we have bath salts that I
1:35:06could take along and the dad was like oh
1:35:09red flag no bath salts you can't go
1:35:10there buddy type thing but I just really
1:35:13my gut tells me that she sent that right
1:35:17yes Gemini says opioids cause
1:35:19constipation so even that even that it's
1:35:21complete lie right
1:35:24Heidi says it's actually common for some
1:35:26families to not give the ADHD meds on
1:35:28the weekend and while sick okay
1:35:32oh okay now what's interesting is that
1:35:35this bath salts text comes up
1:35:38we don't I would love to know if that
1:35:41friend
1:35:42had the one that they say again had been
1:35:44texting with about the boss cells if
1:35:46that will be verified at some point like
1:35:48that those texts were not sent or that
1:35:51there was really a conversation like
1:35:52that whatever it is but Leticia says
1:35:54well then I gave him a bath bomb
1:35:56she says she gave him a bath bomb she
1:35:58didn't know anything about bath salts
1:35:59but she gave him a bath bomb which is
1:36:02like those Lush bath bombs they're
1:36:03pretty cool
1:36:04um
1:36:05yes
1:36:07she's lying this is the thing shell Bell
1:36:09123 says it's bath salts like the ones
1:36:11people used to get high she's lying
1:36:14I think she's lying big time I also
1:36:16think so
1:36:17and then
1:36:21yeah right here Gannon wanted to take
1:36:24buses to a friend's house question mark
1:36:25but it was like Tisha in a relatory
1:36:28wrote like t-shirt she also talked about
1:36:29a jingle basket friend so she can't name
1:36:33the friend that he was gonna go and play
1:36:36video games with on the Monday nor can
1:36:38she really name she says um what did she
1:36:41say Braden and Cody or something she
1:36:43says a few names but she doesn't really
1:36:44know she can't tell police officers
1:36:46which friend did he go play video games
1:36:48with and it made no sense to Al at the
1:36:50time because he's like but he was sick
1:36:51the whole day he booked him from school
1:36:53right but then suddenly in the afternoon
1:36:55he's going to play video games with his
1:36:56friend
1:36:57you know that's interesting
1:37:00um
1:37:01but Leticia can't name the friend so she
1:37:04talks about this jingle basket friend
1:37:06and she says but that was in December
1:37:07because it's not January 27 2020 that
1:37:10they took a jingle basket I've never I
1:37:12don't know if that's a common term in
1:37:13America is jingle basket a common term
1:37:16jingle basket
1:37:18interesting so they took a jingle basket
1:37:20to a friend and she thinks it's that
1:37:22friend
1:37:23so and then she makes up that yeah yeah
1:37:25she's she spoke to those people but she
1:37:27never searched for Ganon even her
1:37:28brother who testified yesterday said
1:37:30that she said to them you can go search
1:37:32for Ganon because that's what they came
1:37:34all the way I think from South Carolina
1:37:36am I right they came all the way her
1:37:38brother and her aunt
1:37:40um
1:37:41what's her first name I just remember a
1:37:43surname I always say a card but
1:37:45it almost sounds like awkward a card a
1:37:48chord
1:37:48anyway Bryn Brenda the aunt
1:37:52came through and they were wanting to
1:37:54help find Ganon and they rented a van
1:37:56and all of that
1:37:58oh you've never heard of a jingle basket
1:37:59either
1:38:01so even her brother said that she wasn't
1:38:03participating in the other searches
1:38:05she's like you can go you can go search
1:38:06if you want and when we heard from
1:38:09Nicole Mobley which was on day
1:38:13day two I think it was
1:38:15I can't remember but it's all time
1:38:17stamped if you check out the playlist
1:38:18and check out the previous live streams
1:38:19you can find it very easily Nicole
1:38:21Mobley was someone who lived in the
1:38:23neighborhood and she said you know
1:38:24everyone put the blue lights up to help
1:38:25bring Gannon home everyone was
1:38:27participating in the search drones were
1:38:28out they were searching all night they
1:38:30were called Leticia was at home
1:38:32she was at home
1:38:35Dana
1:38:37Dana said she is a jingle box
1:38:40she is so a jingle basket and I scrolled
1:38:42up too fast sorry Dana here we go she is
1:38:46a jingle basket
1:38:48okay
1:38:50so
1:38:52okay so someone is confirming that if
1:38:54she if she says that Gannon didn't take
1:38:56his meds on Saturday Sunday or Monday
1:38:59it's because
1:39:00he wasn't uh obviously
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1:40:33don't we just love it when it happens
1:40:34can you hear me now sound check sound
1:40:36check
1:40:38freaking browser keeps losing connection
1:40:40with my mic so annoying I'm blaming
1:40:43Windows 11. Bill Gates it's your fault
1:40:47are we good can you hear me okay
1:40:54I'm just checking
1:40:57we'll be talking about the ADHD meds
1:40:59okay that it's normal to not take on
1:41:01weekends because the kids aren't going
1:41:03to school if they are in the mids right
1:41:05okay
1:41:08okay then
1:41:09what I didn't love of course was Leticia
1:41:13wanted to throw
1:41:15again's biological mother
1:41:17under the bus
1:41:18and I just feel like a lot of things
1:41:20that Leticia said
1:41:23like influenced l in some way you know
1:41:25because he was like yeah they know he's
1:41:28one of his first thoughts was that
1:41:29ganon's Mom is married to a dude that's
1:41:31had a lot of trouble in his past and
1:41:34um he thought maybe maybe it was
1:41:38the dude that like took Ganon or
1:41:40whatever
1:41:41Jane says I have Windows 11 too
1:41:45yes gamer Deco says no you don't upgrade
1:41:48to Windows 11. I know I'm suffering from
1:41:50it now
1:41:52um also they banned Ganon from Tick Tock
1:41:54and it was horrible to hear Leticia say
1:41:56yeah Banning from Tick Tock because kids
1:41:58were like choking
1:42:01themselves as a challenge and all that
1:42:03kind of talk when she had murdered him
1:42:05already is just too much it's too much
1:42:08like for a murderer to talk about a kid
1:42:11you like ban them from Tick Tock because
1:42:12you know they're doing all these
1:42:13dangerous challenges wow
1:42:17foreign
1:42:26okay Leticia then talks about finding
1:42:29something in his book bag but then that
1:42:30story changes a lot it changes back and
1:42:32like no I didn't look the first time it
1:42:35was Harley who looked and she found two
1:42:37packets of
1:42:39Swisher Sweets which I never knew what
1:42:42that was okay that just shows what a
1:42:44nerd I am
1:42:46Swisher Sweets are uh
1:42:49a cigar brand manufactured by Swisher
1:42:51Incorporated so little cigars two packs
1:42:54of little cigars in his book bag
1:42:56I don't I don't believe her I think she
1:42:58put those there too
1:43:01uh anyway so she's like no I didn't
1:43:03check the first time Holly went to check
1:43:04it and then I'll check later and then I
1:43:05found those Swisher Sweets two packs
1:43:08right
1:43:11and what else did I ask you what else
1:43:13okay so those are my notes that's that's
1:43:15my notes that I write to you that's
1:43:16pretty much what I got from that I'm
1:43:17just like oh man and the way she lies
1:43:19the way she giggles the way she can
1:43:21very cohesively make up all these
1:43:23stories keep track of what the police
1:43:24are asking and like make sure that her
1:43:26story you know she's always trying to
1:43:27cover her but so yeah to me that doesn't
1:43:30sound like someone psychotic or insane
1:43:32or anything like that
1:43:35oh damn titanium I am says I believe
1:43:37they're giving her drugs to keep her
1:43:39calm during court
1:43:41wow
1:43:44Anita if mods if you can explain that
1:43:48would be great Anita's got a question
1:43:49there
1:43:50okay
1:43:51so I'm not just checking what you guys
1:43:53are saying
1:43:56an old dude or Uncle thing to smoke
1:43:59I hope you're liking the new layout
1:44:00today
1:44:02yes bring you all the all the views all
1:44:05the angles from the courtroom
1:44:07so yes I must say yeah leticia's ear
1:44:11looks pretty weird in court date just
1:44:12like
1:44:13with her hair hooked behind it like that
1:44:17interesting they were usually used for
1:44:19weed
1:44:22I'm trying to
1:44:24trying to think I feel like that's been
1:44:26mentioned weed was it on the calls
1:44:29between l and a t-shirt or something
1:44:30like that
1:44:31yes that's the thing Cheryl says she's
1:44:33giggling with excitement that they are
1:44:34believing her I don't know right
1:44:36okay well in four minutes they're gonna
1:44:38be is it yeah four minutes they're gonna
1:44:40be back in court everyone
1:44:43mermaid says wacky tobacco for the
1:44:45Swisher is what they are used for
1:44:46usually I bet it was her daughters
1:44:48likely very likely
1:44:52this microphone had better comply with
1:44:54me do you hear me
1:44:56such a beautiful microphone
1:44:59freaking Chrome browser anyway so if you
1:45:02hear the little like yesterday
1:45:03it's me plugging in and out the mic you
1:45:06know Mr Grizzly is a software engineer
1:45:09and yeah he knows a lot about computers
1:45:11so he's always like did you you know the
1:45:12usual if you call tech support did you
1:45:14did you restart the computer did you
1:45:16unplug it and plug it back in so just do
1:45:19that yes
1:45:21okay exactly very nice good job good job
1:45:24yes that's true Kathleen it's all
1:45:25explained on the website yes
1:45:28oh man be kind so they just need to do
1:45:31to her what she did to Ganon okay now
1:45:35I'm gonna play a little something as we
1:45:36wait for this two more minutes and just
1:45:39tell me if it double plays or something
1:45:40I just wanted to double check that as
1:45:42well okay so hold on one second
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1:47:28we are back okay here we go here we go
1:47:32put the boxes back on
1:48:07oh damn
1:48:22well let's hope they never make that
1:48:23mistake because remember the autopsy
1:48:25photos
1:48:26oh yes the naughty box and see
1:48:29she's in the snark tank light t-shirts
1:48:32in the snork tank in the corner there
1:48:34everyone
1:48:42she wrote a little letter
1:48:44dear attorney
1:49:13with the defendant I want to clear up
1:49:16some things that we hear in there
1:49:19in your uh initial question and answers
1:49:22prior to us getting into what actually
1:49:24watching the video you mentioned can you
1:49:25hear now that there were concerns about
1:49:27any health issues did some of that come
1:49:29out in this particular recording yes it
1:49:31did
1:49:32was that the ADHD and the bleeding from
1:49:34the rectum report yes
1:49:39there was reference of a Petco on North
1:49:42Nevada that's um the defendant indicated
1:49:45she had visited is that the area up at
1:49:48University Village
1:49:49um dominated sorted by that Costco
1:49:51that's in that shopping center yes it is
1:49:57it was reference to a Nintendo switch
1:50:00and trying to track that during the
1:50:02investigation did you learn whether you
1:50:04could or could not do any tracking on
1:50:06the Nintendo switch we could not track
1:50:08the switch
1:50:10um did you learn later that the switch
1:50:12was actually found in the house I did
1:50:18so it was finding the house
1:50:21there's lots of discussion in that video
1:50:25or that recording I should say
1:50:27about things that required investigative
1:50:30resources um do you remember hearing
1:50:32those things yes does that include
1:50:35um going to different residences
1:50:37um like that I think it's 10350
1:50:40Declaration Drive to look for
1:50:43potentially clues that would lead to
1:50:44discovery of Oregon and might be yes
1:50:48in your experience as a seasoned
1:50:51homicide investigator and detective is
1:50:53time an important element in
1:50:55investigation yes it is mm-hmm
1:50:58is the fact that resources are being
1:51:00expended to chase down potentially a
1:51:03runaway child as opposed to a homicide
1:51:05investigation did that waste valuable
1:51:07time in the investigation yes
1:51:12yes and was that wasting of resources a
1:51:15direct result of misdirection from the
1:51:18defendant it is
1:51:24during your course of conversation with
1:51:27the defendant at that Starbucks on
1:51:29January 28th
1:51:31um is this essentially the fourth time
1:51:34at least that she's given this story
1:51:35that Gannon has run away meaning does
1:51:38the 9-1-1 call the call for service
1:51:41reporting it to Al and then now
1:51:43reporting it to you in this recorded
1:51:45phone call yes
1:51:48so almost a quadrupling down of that
1:51:51runaway story yes
1:51:56what was her demeanor like um I guess
1:51:58because we can only hear what is being
1:52:00said what were her outward
1:52:03um demeanor expressions like were they
1:52:05normal she was common collected
1:52:11did she ever change personalities while
1:52:13you were with her during this recorded
1:52:15um interaction no she did not was her
1:52:18personality consistent throughout that
1:52:19interaction yes it was
1:52:35and then there was reference to
1:52:38um
1:52:39by the defendant there was reference to
1:52:40ADT
1:52:42um data to show uh what time she had
1:52:44returned from doing the run to to Petco
1:52:47do you remember that yes did you also
1:52:49during this investigation
1:52:51um become aware of uh neighborhood ring
1:52:54or doorbell cameras that caught that
1:52:56action as well yes that confirmed sort
1:52:59of that timeline yes
1:53:02yeah
1:53:03was it um consistent during your course
1:53:07of this investigation that there would
1:53:09be some kernel that could be confirmed a
1:53:12kernel of truth that could be confirmed
1:53:14from the defendant wrapped around things
1:53:16that were unconfirmable or turned out to
1:53:18be totally false yes
1:53:21foreign
1:53:27later that particular day 3 45 PM did
1:53:32you reach out to the defendant Again by
1:53:34phone to request particular items I did
1:53:36what were those items I requested that
1:53:39she bring a toothbrush and or hair brush
1:53:42with her of gannon's what was the
1:53:45purpose for that
1:53:46to collect for DNA purposes to develop a
1:53:50DNA profile
1:53:51is that a common thing to do in a
1:53:53missing child case like this yes why is
1:53:56that because if the child is located
1:54:01um
1:54:02and as deceased we're able to identify
1:54:04them
1:54:05by comparing the DNA from the body to
1:54:07the DNA profile that you might gather
1:54:09from toothbrush or a hairbrush yes
1:54:17were you making efforts to get the
1:54:19defendant down to the Sheriff's Office
1:54:21to sit for a formal interview yeah
1:54:24while that was happening with Al stouk
1:54:27again and father show up at the
1:54:28Sheriff's Office and actually sit for an
1:54:30interview yes he did was that at about 4
1:54:3230 p.m on January 28th
1:54:35yes
1:54:38did you um send a text to the defendant
1:54:41asking her to come down at roughly the
1:54:42same time
1:54:44did she did she come down no she did not
1:54:47did she even respond to your text
1:54:48message I don't believe she responded
1:54:50initially no okay
1:54:54later that evening at about 6 PM did you
1:54:56get a call from the defendant yes I did
1:55:00what's the uh and what was the call was
1:55:02it to your cell phone
1:55:04yes does the Sheriff's Office have uh
1:55:07areas in the building that make cell
1:55:09phone service
1:55:10um difficult yes they do what did you
1:55:13experience that with this particular
1:55:14phone call yes I did so what did you do
1:55:16in response to that
1:55:18um because I wasn't able to complete
1:55:20completely talk to
1:55:21Leticia on the phone I hung up with her
1:55:23and I called from a landline located
1:55:25within the Sheriff's Office did you get
1:55:27a better connection on that I did was
1:55:29that particular phone call recorded no
1:55:31it was not do you remember what she told
1:55:33you or what the discussion was during
1:55:35that phone call
1:55:37um
1:55:38she was discussing
1:55:40her relationship with Gannon and Lena
1:55:43she told me about how
1:55:47um her parenting and Al's parenting was
1:55:51separate that they never formally
1:55:53adopted each other's children
1:55:56um that she wasn't allowed to make
1:55:58parenting decisions for Gannon or Elena
1:56:01and Al was not allowed to make parenting
1:56:03decisions for Harley
1:56:07okay and then did she tell you during
1:56:09this particular phone call the last time
1:56:11that she actually saw Gannon at least
1:56:13the way that she's reporting it she did
1:56:15she mentioned that she saw him I believe
1:56:18it was between 3 15 and 4 and she had
1:56:21mentioned that it was a there was a TV
1:56:23show on that she had liked to watch and
1:56:25I asked her what that TV show was and
1:56:27she could not tell me the name of the TV
1:56:29show
1:56:30did she describe the clothing that
1:56:32Gannon was last seen wearing by her yes
1:56:34she did what was that she said it was a
1:56:37blue shirt blue pants and his tennis
1:56:40shoes
1:56:41did she also mention a blue hoodie yes
1:56:46did you ask her during this phone call
1:56:48if she would come down and talk with you
1:56:49at the Sheriff's Office yes did she
1:56:52accept that invitation or did she
1:56:53decline it she declined did she give you
1:56:55a reason why she was declining it she
1:56:57said that her stomach was bothering her
1:57:00and she was having to make multiple
1:57:01stops at different Walgreens to use the
1:57:04restroom
1:57:10later on at about 703 PM did you get
1:57:13another call from the defendant I did
1:57:15what was that phone call about she was
1:57:18FaceTiming me
1:57:19and she was mad because her daughter was
1:57:23left alone with a bunch of men in the
1:57:26home she claimed at that time the
1:57:28Sheriff's Office was at the home
1:57:30to get Lena at Al's request
1:57:44so I think that's later on when she's
1:57:47asking about that would that potentially
1:57:49been at 11 52 PM that particular call
1:57:52a FaceTime call where she's upset about
1:57:54and meeting Al to come home that could
1:57:57have been yes okay
1:58:02did you I guess uh after that 703
1:58:07call
1:58:08um did you get another call from Al
1:58:12in which he was upset yes I did what was
1:58:14that all about
1:58:16I was Al called me and he was sobbing I
1:58:19could tell that he was upset
1:58:21and he told me that he didn't tell tell
1:58:23us everything he had previously uh done
1:58:26an interview with my partner Mark Riley
1:58:28and he explained that Leticia had rented
1:58:32a vehicle from the airport when she
1:58:35picked him up and that he did not
1:58:37disclose that to us
1:58:39did he also talk about trying to find
1:58:42her normal vehicle the black tea one yes
1:58:45was he able to find it he was not no was
1:58:48was that causing him to stress at least
1:58:50as he's relaying it to you yes
1:58:52that lead to him coming back into the
1:58:54sheriff's office for another interview
1:58:56yes
1:59:00and then later on that night about 10 45
1:59:04PM did you get a uh text message from
1:59:06the defendant a rather long text message
1:59:09she's texted me multiple times that
1:59:11night yes do you remember the specific
1:59:13content of that text message I don't for
1:59:16that time frame okay if I showed you a
1:59:18report would that refresher memory as to
1:59:20the specific content of that text
1:59:21message yes
1:59:22Erma approach you mean
1:59:27oh wow you guys
1:59:29teacher making up stomach problems
1:59:32saying she had to stop at the Walgreens
1:59:33several times
1:59:55this paragraph here
2:00:18and for the record on what I had handed
2:00:20to detective uh I'm Sorry Miss Bethel is
2:00:23pagination01-043
2:00:26um did that refresh your memory as to
2:00:28those longer text message yes what did
2:00:30the text message say to you she was
2:00:32asking what I wanted from her and she
2:00:34was saying that she was being set up and
2:00:36that she learned that information from a
2:00:39fellow fellow blue with El Paso County
2:00:44um was that basically an implication
2:00:45that she had an inside source to the
2:00:47investigation to you yes was that did
2:00:50that turn out to be true no it was not
2:00:52true
2:00:56did she also Express during that text
2:00:58message the same sort of theme that she
2:01:00was upset about her daughter being in
2:01:02the house with people from the Sheriff's
2:01:04Office men from the Sheriff's Office yes
2:01:09did she relay in that particular text
2:01:11message
2:01:12um uh the idea that she could hear what
2:01:15was being discussed inside the home
2:01:16because of cameras or something in the
2:01:18home yes
2:01:20did you respond to her
2:01:23I did what did you respond with I asked
2:01:25her she had any information to help me
2:01:27find Gannon did you also invite her to
2:01:30come into the Sheriff's Office to talk
2:01:32with you yes did she accept or what
2:01:34happened she declined
2:01:38retrieved that page from you
2:01:53and then uh just a few minutes after
2:01:55that 11 52 PM is this the FaceTime call
2:01:58that you got from the defendant yes was
2:02:01this a recorded FaceTime call yes it was
2:02:03audio recorded yes
2:02:08he has played for us play it
2:02:13Aaron May approached with people's
2:02:15exhibit 336. you may
2:02:27you recognize people's exhibit 336 yes I
2:02:30do how do you recognize it uh it is a
2:02:33FaceTime interview with Leticia
2:02:36uh have you had a chance to listen to
2:02:38the content of that disc yes I have is
2:02:40the uh recording file on there a fair
2:02:43and accurate representation of the audio
2:02:45of that FaceTime of call yes it is at
2:02:49this time I'd move forward mission of
2:02:50people's exhibit 336 and ask for
2:02:52permission to publish all right you may
2:02:54go ahead
2:02:56are you accepting it as being admitted
2:02:58yes yes it's admitted okay you can go
2:03:01ahead and play it okay I'm sorry I was
2:03:03distracted because I was looking down at
2:03:04this this is while it says FaceTime it's
2:03:06only audio right it's only audio yep and
2:03:09just so that the record is clear I never
2:03:10did hear whether um there was an
2:03:12objection or not from defense as to
2:03:14Hidden moving admission
2:03:19exhibit 336 will be admitted
2:03:28I'm just trying to figure out I got your
2:03:30message without something I talked to
2:03:32you earlier
2:03:34you didn't say anything goes I'm just
2:03:36trying to be I'm confused at what you
2:03:37want me to do what's going on
2:03:40you talk to me now you wanna talk to me
2:03:42again well you you sent me that message
2:03:44saying I don't know what you want for me
2:03:46so
2:03:47yes because I'm
2:03:52I couldn't go home
2:03:54I I don't have anywhere to sleep I mean
2:03:57like I just don't understand
2:04:01um well
2:04:02I'm sorry I mean
2:04:05that that sort of kind of came out of
2:04:07Love Field for me
2:04:09all I'm trying to do is gather
2:04:10information
2:04:12I don't understand what you mean came
2:04:14out of left dude
2:04:16my personal child could not leave so how
2:04:19is that out of left field what do you
2:04:22mean your child couldn't leave
2:04:24she was trying to go to Starbucks and
2:04:27was left there and forced to stay there
2:04:29with men in and out the home by herself
2:04:32okay I don't know what happened at the
2:04:35at your home
2:04:38um I know that she was offered the
2:04:40opportunity to come into the office and
2:04:42she didn't want to so she
2:04:44she didn't go into the office
2:04:55either Starbucks
2:04:57coffee like every day
2:05:09hello
2:05:14is there anything more that you you
2:05:17might be able to share with me to help
2:05:19me find Gannon
2:05:22give me this
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2:05:28where are you now
2:05:30you keep asking me this over and over
2:05:32and over
2:05:39where are you now
2:05:40going in to talk to you okay we got an
2:05:43attorney when you already talked to me
2:05:45earlier okay but and that's perfectly
2:05:48fine
2:05:49but I just don't understand what's going
2:05:52on do you have any do you have anything
2:05:54any further information to give me that
2:05:57may help me find Gannon any new
2:06:00developments new informations okay well
2:06:03then um I'm gonna go ahead and end the
2:06:06conversation then
2:06:07because we've already spoken
2:06:11okay so why do you keep saying
2:06:14to because someone came
2:06:18and looking for me wanting me to go talk
2:06:20to them so now it's you so I'm trying to
2:06:22figure out what's going on you and I
2:06:24have already spoken
2:06:27um if if you don't want to come in to
2:06:30speak with me at the office
2:06:33um that's completely fine
2:06:37I don't I don't know and and so what I'm
2:06:40saying at this point in time Leticia is
2:06:42if you don't have any other information
2:06:44for me to actively look uh through to
2:06:47find Gannon
2:06:49um
2:06:50there's no there's no point in me
2:06:52continuing this conversation I need to I
2:06:55need to get off the phone here and and
2:06:57start working on on leads and
2:06:59developments
2:07:02okay all right thanks
2:07:09so first of all where were you when you
2:07:12got that FaceTime call I was in the
2:07:14Sheriff's Office
2:07:15the uh other noises that you can sort of
2:07:18hear in the background you know what
2:07:19those other noises were it to me if I
2:07:21remember correctly it sounded like
2:07:23windshield wipers on a car okay making
2:07:26that weird moaning sound yes they're
2:07:27rhythmic okay
2:07:30um
2:07:32the
2:07:34sounds like potentially her demeanor is
2:07:37a little bit different than what was
2:07:39happening at Starbucks how would you
2:07:41describe that
2:07:46could and angry because of the idea of
2:07:49trying to get her down and talk to you
2:07:51at the Sheriff's Office
2:07:56I'm not exactly
2:07:58what why she was angry with me but she
2:08:00was angry with me what was your goal
2:08:02what were you trying to achieve as
2:08:03you're accepting this FaceTime call from
2:08:05her I thought that maybe she had
2:08:08additional information for me to follow
2:08:09up on so I could find Gannon and did she
2:08:12resist that on giving you additional
2:08:14information that might help find Gannon
2:08:16yes
2:08:18um besides the fact that she's um
2:08:20expressing anger did she have a
2:08:22consistent personality with what you had
2:08:24experienced in a previous phone call and
2:08:26at Starbucks yes
2:08:29yes
2:08:30um there was reference
2:08:31um made by her that she wasn't going to
2:08:33come down and talk to you at the
2:08:35Sheriff's Office unless she had an
2:08:36attorney
2:08:37correct did that indicate that she had a
2:08:39good understanding of what her rights
2:08:40might be if she does come down yes
2:08:46what was your answer yes
2:08:53and then did you
2:08:55um basically through out that um night
2:08:58early morning hours were you getting
2:09:00text messages from the defendant yes I
2:09:03was what were the what was the nature of
2:09:05those text messages
2:09:08um a lot of them were about her
2:09:11focused around her I kept asking her to
2:09:15come in to talk to me if she had any
2:09:17additional information for me and
2:09:20eventually in the early morning hours of
2:09:22the of the 29th she gave me a story
2:09:28um that she needed to talk to me she was
2:09:32asking for a friend if
2:09:35um if we released information to the
2:09:38media I told her we did not
2:09:41she said something that had happened to
2:09:43her and she couldn't tell me around
2:09:46Albert because he would be mad and would
2:09:48become violent
2:09:50um
2:09:52and I ultimately arranged an interview
2:09:54for her which was supposed to start at
2:09:5710 o'clock at the Sheriff's Office
2:10:00on that Wednesday
2:10:0210 o'clock AM yes okay
2:10:06was it odd to you
2:10:08um as you're describing those text
2:10:10messages the early text messages that
2:10:12the focus from her perspective was on
2:10:14her as opposed to
2:10:16finding Gan absolutely why was that odd
2:10:19in my experience
2:10:22investigating other crimes and
2:10:24investigating other missing children
2:10:27the parents are always willing to give
2:10:29me whatever information they can to find
2:10:33their child
2:10:34and it I've never experienced a parent
2:10:39being concerned about their own
2:10:41well-being or welfare while their child
2:10:43is missing
2:10:46in those text messages did she also
2:10:48describe injuries
2:10:50um that Ganon had suffered
2:10:53what were those
2:10:54she's
2:10:56blood on him
2:10:59did she say from Cuts yes did she also
2:11:03describe Burns yes did she
2:11:06um deflect any cause of those injuries
2:11:10away from herself
2:11:15did she in fact say that she did not
2:11:17hurt Ganon she did
2:11:22at that stage of the investigation was
2:11:25that an odd uh development that she's
2:11:27now indicating that he was hurt but she
2:11:29didn't hurt him yes in what way
2:11:32most times if you don't know what
2:11:35happened to somebody
2:11:37um you wouldn't put yourself out there
2:11:39to say that you didn't do something to
2:11:42that person
2:11:46so you mentioned that you arranged in
2:11:49these text messages to have the
2:11:50defendant show up for an interview at
2:11:52the sheriff's office at 10 A.M on
2:11:55January 29th
2:11:56uh which would be Wednesday
2:11:59um did she show up at 10 A.M she did not
2:12:02um were you able to have any contact
2:12:04with her
2:12:05um around that time frame to indicate
2:12:06where she might be or why she wasn't
2:12:08there I did text her yes did you get any
2:12:11responses uh she eventually did respond
2:12:13to me and told me that she was yours in
2:12:16place because she was being or excuse me
2:12:19her her daughter was being stalked and
2:12:22her family was receiving death threats
2:12:25and so she wasn't able to come in until
2:12:29she got those things taken care of
2:12:32was there any indication I mean the
2:12:34investigation that either her or her
2:12:36daughter was actually receiving death
2:12:37threats no
2:12:41what time did she arrive
2:12:4312 o'clock noon
2:12:55I may approach the 337. you mean
2:13:09detective or I'm sorry I keep doing that
2:13:11Miss Bethel um do you recognize people's
2:13:14exhibit 337 I do what do you recognize
2:13:16it as it is a copy of the interview I
2:13:20conducted along with Detective cat
2:13:22Houston uh with Leticia at the office of
2:13:26the sheriff is this the interview from
2:13:28January 29th uh 2020 at starting at
2:13:31roughly 12 p.m it is
2:13:34um have you had a chance to review the
2:13:36contents of I think that's actually a
2:13:38thumb drive or a portable drive right
2:13:40yes
2:13:42um is the content of that thumb drive a
2:13:44fair and accurate representation of that
2:13:46interview of the defendant it is
2:13:48or at this time I'd move forward
2:13:49admission of people's 337. Mr cook
2:13:53that 337 will be admitted okay and
2:13:56you're on permission to publish and just
2:13:58for reference sake this recording is
2:14:00four hours 19 minutes and 46 seconds
2:14:03long
2:14:05um and so we will have to
2:14:06um stop at for the lunch break and then
2:14:08probably a second time as well okay all
2:14:11right so ladies and gentlemen what we'll
2:14:12do is
2:14:13um this is both video and audio rank it
2:14:16is okay so uh we're gonna start this uh
2:14:19we will take a break uh a normal lunch
2:14:21break to flex that to a reasonable
2:14:24breaking period
2:14:26um and then uh we'll send you in your
2:14:27way and we'll come back but in the
2:14:29meantime start with that and Ms Bethel
2:14:31you can step down uh and sit in some
2:14:33places a little bit more comfortable for
2:14:35that longer period of time
2:14:38um and
2:14:40prosecution go ahead thank you
2:15:16I'm gonna slide it to when they actually
2:15:18come in the room good idea
2:15:21I hope this view is good you guys
2:15:30and then just because you're interested
2:15:32in our in our building is supposed to
2:15:34mind if I just pat you down here with
2:15:35this
2:15:38um
2:15:41go ahead and put your arms out for me
2:15:43and just separate your legs slightly for
2:15:45me there you go
2:15:48that's what's gonna like poke me or
2:15:49anything like you're not diabetic or
2:15:51anything are you yeah
2:15:52okay
2:15:57it's a phone
2:16:00oh
2:16:03anything in your purse
2:16:08like
2:16:15perfect thank you
2:16:19we'll be right back with you
2:16:39foreign
2:17:34just while we're actually watching this
2:17:36part I do want to put on something on
2:17:38the record normally I wouldn't
2:17:39necessarily want to play the dead time
2:17:41when there's not an interview happening
2:17:42but I think her actions inside the room
2:17:44are also relevant for mental health
2:17:46issues so I'm playing it differently
2:17:48than I know right that's your call
2:17:51thank you
2:18:53is this view good guys
2:19:01I can crop out her attorneys if you
2:19:02don't want to see them let me know
2:19:05foreign
2:19:48that's totally fine
2:19:51um yeah let me get that started for you
2:19:53I have like Coke and Sprite and like
2:19:55apple juice do you want something like
2:19:56that you have Diet research high and low
2:19:58carb diet I think there's no diet thank
2:20:01you all the vending machines are even
2:20:03sold out thank you so much for getting
2:20:04that yeah here's my card just so you
2:20:06have it so I don't forget
2:20:08I'll get that just okay
2:20:11so that's my that's my partner detective
2:20:13piece and I know you saw Mark with me
2:20:15yesterday
2:20:17um I worked with a couple different
2:20:18people I'm like in charge of no I
2:20:21wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily say I'm
2:20:23in charge it's just you know we all hit
2:20:25in and how about where we can so
2:20:28um Mark helps me whenever I'm out and
2:20:30about and Kat helps me whenever I'm here
2:20:32right so she's she's gonna be hanging
2:20:34out with us
2:20:36um and I also have um something going on
2:20:39so if if this ends up going over which
2:20:44is totally fine
2:20:45um I just want you to have know who Kat
2:20:47is and that okay
2:20:50um where did where did you park did you
2:20:52park in the garage the garage that's way
2:20:55behind our building
2:20:56yeah that one oh okay yeah perfect
2:21:00um for validation what kind of vehicle
2:21:01were you in so that I can put that on
2:21:03the validation slip whenever you because
2:21:05I'll I'll give you something to turn in
2:21:07so you don't have to pay yeah it's a
2:21:08Volkswagen um Tiguan which is Volkswagen
2:21:10big one yeah okay
2:21:12um
2:21:13and
2:21:15let's see what else
2:21:17um
2:21:19so I'm just gonna go through my normal
2:21:21Spiel with you
2:21:22um I know that we've we talked last
2:21:25night but because you're in here in the
2:21:27police building I want you to know
2:21:28certain things right
2:21:30so first of all you're in here
2:21:31voluntarily
2:21:33um you can leave you just have to let me
2:21:35know that you want to leave right
2:21:36because I need to escort you out of the
2:21:38building okay
2:21:40um if there's ever a time that you need
2:21:42to take a break you need the bathroom
2:21:44you need more water you're still hungry
2:21:47whatever it is let me know okay I'm I I
2:21:51can't read your mind so I need you
2:21:54to let me know what's going on with you
2:21:55okay so that I can help you okay because
2:21:58the whole purpose of this
2:22:00um
2:22:01of us talking is to to gather some
2:22:03information and I have a question about
2:22:05that I understand that I know it's
2:22:07recording and all that it's totally fine
2:22:10um but does that like usually stay
2:22:11within the court and stuff like that and
2:22:13I'm just asking
2:22:14yeah so this because I'm gonna have to
2:22:16show you some very you know personal
2:22:18things okay and that's perfectly fine
2:22:21and so it's it is not our common
2:22:23practice to go and be releasing that
2:22:26stuff like that
2:22:27another little admin thing that I do
2:22:30just to sort of kind of cover my butt
2:22:32whenever I have people in here talking
2:22:34is to go over a Miranda waiver it
2:22:37doesn't mean that you're in trouble it's
2:22:39just because you're in a police station
2:22:41and I want you to be absolutely certain
2:22:44of your rights right okay
2:22:46so I'm going to go over that with you
2:22:48right now
2:22:50um so you have a right to remain silent
2:22:52anything you say Canon will be using a
2:22:55quarter loss you're the right to talk to
2:22:57a lawyer and have him present with you
2:22:58while you're being questioned if you can
2:23:00afford to hire a lawyer one will be
2:23:02appointed to represent you before any
2:23:03questioning if you wish okay you can
2:23:05decide at any time to exercise these
2:23:07rights and not answer any questions or
2:23:08make any statements great do you
2:23:11understand each of the rights that I've
2:23:12explained to you and having these right
2:23:14to mind do you wish to speak with me yes
2:23:16okay so if you pick a purple yes or I'm
2:23:19sorry Circle yes and then initial try to
2:23:21redone it but
2:23:23if you'll initial next to yes and then
2:23:26down at the bottom is an X here if
2:23:28you'll sign up for me
2:23:32no
2:23:34um
2:23:35sorry this is
2:23:38I gotta be watching it doesn't like to
2:23:40work for me it's 12 10.
2:23:44thank you
2:23:46so
2:23:49because you know I know I met with you
2:23:51yesterday we talked on the phone we
2:23:53texted we've you know we've been talking
2:23:55with each other a lot but because this
2:23:57is recorded I want to get like let's
2:23:59sharpen the basics okay who you are you
2:24:01have your ID uh yeah yeah in your purse
2:24:07yeah
2:24:08what are they yeah I haven't heard of
2:24:10that is it a new like a Quaver brand
2:24:12wait I'm you know yeah they're really
2:24:15good
2:24:16they're like better than like the
2:24:17Michael Kors oh really yeah
2:24:22she's just like Kim Kardashian remember
2:24:24Kim K in the house
2:24:29I know this is your South Carolina
2:24:33ID
2:24:41what's your middle name oh it's um I do
2:24:45my maiden name which is Hardin
2:24:49h-a-r-d-i-n-h-a-r-d-i-n- yes yeah okay
2:24:51and that's your maiden name
2:24:54all right
2:24:56there's a deal remember
2:25:00I have a given middle name Lynn
2:25:04yes ma'am
2:25:08there you are thank you
2:25:10what's a good phone number for you in
2:25:12case I need to get a hold of you 8.3
2:25:14okay six five five seven four six zeros
2:25:17just remember you guys this is from a TV
2:25:19screen in the court okay
2:25:21that's why it's not the highest quality
2:25:24what is in case I need to send you any
2:25:27documentation via email
2:25:29um how can I do that
2:25:33like my name Lynn and then 2006
2:25:36yahoo.com
2:25:43are you on any social media platform
2:25:45Facebook or Instagram well I wasn't for
2:25:48a long time but just recently I just got
2:25:50like my Facebook back because we were
2:25:52with we didn't have for like two years
2:25:53so I do have Facebook but I've always
2:25:55had Instagram but it's mostly like my
2:25:57like a travel YouTube type thing okay it
2:26:00was uh what's Facebook it's just my name
2:26:03sure
2:26:06I'm sorry you said it's under Tisha
2:26:09YouTube because I abbreviated it's Tet
2:26:15is it your Fame last night
2:26:18yeah because I don't
2:26:20it's really I really like I know my
2:26:23first name I'm always like oh I should
2:26:25be like with ketchup so I just put tea
2:26:27because I'm not saying your name wrong
2:26:28no you haven't but I always try to
2:26:30change it if my mom didn't like it so
2:26:31like we try to change it so yeah so I
2:26:35just gave up just to put tea
2:26:42you know we always have a name we don't
2:26:45like or something
2:26:47and um you said Instagram
2:26:49now my Instagram is under Dr Stout
2:26:53Dr Webb oh
2:26:56is it spelling of your last name okay
2:26:59because I have my doctorate degree in
2:27:01education okay I'm like is this like a
2:27:03Dr pimple pucker kind of thing so it's
2:27:05for your education doctor all right and
2:27:08then
2:27:09um
2:27:10address that I need to send if I need to
2:27:13mail anything it's 6627
2:27:16Mandan Drive Mandan draw and then 80925
2:27:22and where are you working
2:27:23well I was working with wd3 but I didn't
2:27:26want to work as a teacher anymore so I
2:27:28just thought I was gonna be a vlog
2:27:29attendant so that's currently what I
2:27:31started doing with spirit so I had been
2:27:33going back and forth doing like um
2:27:35uh like FAA First you have to get like a
2:27:38study guide
2:27:39I know you're probably like oh you have
2:27:42a doctor here you want to be a flight
2:27:43attendant you know I just like to travel
2:27:44but um my goal is to like teach online
2:27:47too and do the flight attendants so I
2:27:49could do both sure such an overachiever
2:27:51a book good spirit and like things like
2:27:54that so that I could go to training so I
2:27:56was supposed to go to training we get
2:27:58like a training date February March
2:27:59April so in the meantime I was just
2:28:00doing like seven at a convenient at the
2:28:02Early College that's why I told you
2:28:04early college picking up sub shifts and
2:28:06stuff like that okay you're more of a
2:28:07substitute well I was just I was just a
2:28:09fifth grade teacher at French but I
2:28:12something has gotten so difficult in
2:28:14elementary schools it's
2:28:16I just I don't want to do it anymore
2:28:18okay yeah so it was kind of like in
2:28:21between I just finished working with
2:28:22them and
2:28:25yeah I'm sure kids nowadays are a
2:28:26handful right it's hard because I did
2:28:28fish away for so long because that's
2:28:30what my doctorates in and then you're
2:28:31like oh like you get burned I can help
2:28:34so many you try to help so many people
2:28:36and
2:28:37this is hard
2:28:39you're right
2:28:40so you're gonna do flight attendant with
2:28:42with Spirit Well have you been picked up
2:28:45by them yet well I got an operator from
2:28:47Spirit an offer letter from I just got
2:28:50one yesterday from guy West okay
2:28:54um and the reason I like Skywest is
2:28:55because they have a domicile in Colorado
2:28:57Springs and in Denver that you can
2:28:59actually like work there and I could do
2:29:01both
2:29:02because I was gonna
2:29:04um I thought that was elaborate um I was
2:29:06gonna do like Pikes Peak and like I'm
2:29:08sure I wouldn't have a problem because I
2:29:10just finished this past year I was gonna
2:29:12just do them both and then so I hadn't
2:29:14decided but now that sky was just had
2:29:16offered it I was like that would be
2:29:17perfect because it was just like
2:29:18centrally located you know right so you
2:29:21could come home all the time yeah that
2:29:23was a big problem that we had is because
2:29:24I was going to take the spirit job and
2:29:27then I would be based anywhere they
2:29:29don't have a base in anywhere in our
2:29:30area so like I would have to be in Las
2:29:32Vegas oh wow so I would never get to see
2:29:35anybody at home and then you like saying
2:29:38these crash pads you already familiar
2:29:40with it we were on vacation with some
2:29:43people who uh the wife used to be a
2:29:46nurse and she actually transitioned into
2:29:48being a flight attendant but she was
2:29:49telling us all about it right yeah
2:29:53I did start getting scared about it
2:29:55being in Vegas and I was like man I'll
2:29:56never get to see everybody at home and
2:29:58like
2:30:00I mean I love the travel part so then I
2:30:02was stuck with traveling but being alone
2:30:04or traveling with everybody else but
2:30:07maybe not as much here so you know like
2:30:09that one in a nutshell I was kind of
2:30:11evaluating
2:30:15is it okay if I just thought that
2:30:16because it's like okay
2:30:20but um yeah okay so I was in like a silk
2:30:23uh evaluation type thing trying to
2:30:25figure out
2:30:26the transitioning for education and
2:30:28never having like another career
2:30:30and then like worrying about how people
2:30:32would look at you like oh you're you
2:30:33have a doctor degree you're on flight
2:30:35attendant you know you realize you guys
2:30:36like don't make money right yeah
2:30:39my uh my niece is actually a flight
2:30:42attendant so for Southwest they said
2:30:46that's the best one and whenever they
2:30:48have openings it shuts the website down
2:30:49oh well that's what I heard that's
2:30:52pretty awesome I didn't know about that
2:30:53apparently it's really hard to get into
2:30:57they're supposed to like handle
2:30:59emergencies in the air
2:31:01yeah and like the training is so you
2:31:04think people just think we were third
2:31:06people but the training is so I heard
2:31:09it's very intense yeah they do ditching
2:31:10exercises they kick people out every day
2:31:12if you're late for class for one minute
2:31:14kick you out oh wow and that's good we
2:31:16need standards like that whenever and
2:31:19let me just tell you this in case it
2:31:20comes up like summer but
2:31:22Spirit blew me out to the December 2017
2:31:24training right
2:31:26problem is I didn't have anybody to
2:31:28watch Harley Albert was working night
2:31:31shifts and so it's always hard because
2:31:33it's always on me to find babysitters
2:31:34for everybody all the kids it was it's
2:31:37always on me so I get out there and he
2:31:39was supposed to help I know she's 17. we
2:31:41later stayed by herself whatever
2:31:43but through the night because he was
2:31:45working 6 p.m to 6 a.m that kind of
2:31:48scared me yeah like she's just doing the
2:31:50Air Force so like I know she's gonna
2:31:52have to learn how to like shoot a gun
2:31:53protection but
2:31:55you know like she's not ready yet mature
2:31:57like she's very mature but she's not
2:31:58ready so I came back you know and I was
2:32:01like talking to them I just told him I
2:32:02was like my daughter's at home whatever
2:32:03and they're like we can move you to the
2:32:05next class
2:32:06um I think another February whatever
2:32:08um so anyway so just in case you're like
2:32:10Oh I thought you were but I did fly out
2:32:12like will you play flew you out or
2:32:14whatever and I came back because I was
2:32:16panicking about her the dogs everybody
2:32:18can take care of so who's your baby for
2:32:21it yeah
2:32:24so
2:32:25um
2:32:26why don't we talk a little bit about
2:32:29what's going on so start
2:32:32I understand so initially you didn't
2:32:34tell me some things because Albert was
2:32:35there and when we say Albert we're
2:32:37talking about Eugene he doesn't like UD
2:32:39because his dad is Eugene and he was a
2:32:42child molester okay like uh he like
2:32:45raised his sister so he um freaks out
2:32:48about the word like if he hears Eugene
2:32:50but I said maybe that might help you if
2:32:53you have if you don't have to call in
2:32:54Eugene it probably would be okay yeah
2:32:58so so what I want you to do is is take
2:33:01me through
2:33:03um
2:33:05Sunday into Monday
2:33:08and and be as detailed as possible as to
2:33:11what you were doing who was there where
2:33:13you were at how long you spent etc etc
2:33:17um because the more detail I have
2:33:19um it might spark something look at me
2:33:21it's okay if I take my notes out because
2:33:22like I wrote down all kinds of stuff
2:33:25because I was like I I tried to write
2:33:27anything you might
2:33:32different things or whatever she brought
2:33:35notes
2:33:37so we already talked about the beginning
2:33:41so I'm my paper is that we're at the
2:33:43same story that you we started with but
2:33:45then when we start with Sunday which was
2:33:47the day that we went hiking right yeah
2:33:50okay so we went hiking at Garden of the
2:33:52god
2:33:53um we actually did you see the picture
2:33:54from garden of God I didn't okay so we
2:33:56have pictures where we went Garden of
2:33:58Gods
2:33:59um we were going to take the dog for a
2:34:00while but then my daughter got called in
2:34:01to work because she works at Massage
2:34:03Envy great so we were like okay we're
2:34:06gonna go hiking we
2:34:08crazy thing is like it's always like
2:34:09we've got one kid likes to hike a lot
2:34:11the other one don't spent the whole time
2:34:13like come on let's go we gotta burn
2:34:15calories
2:34:16excuse me all this type of things
2:34:19then and he started having a stomach
2:34:21problem and he pooped in his pants so it
2:34:24kind of caught her hike a little bit
2:34:26short but I was like it's okay it was
2:34:28kind of cold what I say cold for me but
2:34:31I'm used to like 80 degree weather so it
2:34:32was kind of getting cold so we decided
2:34:34to go home okay so we go home I don't
2:34:37really remember what we did the rest of
2:34:38the day it was probably just like random
2:34:39things around the house I thought we
2:34:40went to dinner oh no we didn't get
2:34:42dinner because he wanted to take he
2:34:44wanted to take a bath
2:34:51and
2:34:52this is just dance so I thought he
2:34:55wanted to
2:35:00um so going through the night that was
2:35:01we were just doing like a regular random
2:35:04I feel like I don't know who you guys
2:35:05should be talking to but um who used to
2:35:08be doing like great random things around
2:35:09the house it's Sunday no football on you
2:35:12know I mean I don't know like specific
2:35:14every little detail we did but just a
2:35:16normal
2:35:18um everyday situation other than he was
2:35:20in a lot of pain because you get really
2:35:22bad it's okay if I like show you like
2:35:24graphic but not graphic but like with my
2:35:26hand motion yeah he'll get where he has
2:35:28to like poop and like I swear they're
2:35:29like that big it might take like two to
2:35:31three weeks he has a uh like a GI
2:35:34problem so because he takes Vyvanse so
2:35:37like he had went the whole time with
2:35:38that without Vyvanse
2:35:40um so whenever that happens sometimes
2:35:42it'll get where his stomach like wants
2:35:44to work but then you know like can't so
2:35:46he spends a lot of time in the bathroom
2:35:47like kind of like hurting and things
2:35:49like that okay all right so then at this
2:35:52point the dog we have two new little
2:35:55Frenchie and a um what is the English
2:35:58bulldog
2:35:59or really like you know French and
2:36:01English bulldogs
2:36:04um they're really kind of like a
2:36:07well the State stadium is the French
2:36:09bull she's kind of what time maintenance
2:36:10but um the kids always help out a lot
2:36:13with them you know but Jana wasn't
2:36:14feeling too well and the dogs out you
2:36:17know how they like know someone's not
2:36:18feeling well so they are all laying down
2:36:20there and it was gassy like very very
2:36:24they're back with that very very gassy
2:36:25or whatever and you know life goes on
2:36:28but so Bannon had started a candle again
2:36:31normal they he's very like responsible
2:36:34in terms of like uh if you give him
2:36:37something and say do this do this this
2:36:39and like a list to prepare
2:36:41fine so we let him you know do things
2:36:43like that like Albert lets him like use
2:36:46uh put her to cut the boxes down you
2:36:49know and like teaching things to be like
2:36:51a independent growing up adolescent so I
2:36:54didn't see a problem with him no light
2:36:56candle whatever whatever okay well I
2:37:00don't remember the exact time I'd have
2:37:01to look at uh when the fire thing went
2:37:04off
2:37:05um I was tired Albert had lived because
2:37:07me so we spent the whole night out prior
2:37:09Saturday because he was going to train
2:37:12Oklahoma so we stayed up most of the
2:37:14night okay you know just everybody was
2:37:16going to miss each other let's see each
2:37:17other for a while whatever so I was kind
2:37:19of like you know tired I had dozed off
2:37:21for a little bit
2:37:22and Elena asked me could she stay up and
2:37:24still watch
2:37:25um the rest of her iPad or whatever you
2:37:28should have always like no strict like
2:37:29hey you know you can you know whatever
2:37:31but I did feel kind of bad because she
2:37:33it was just her birthday and at the same
2:37:36time the university we had a lot of
2:37:37stuff going on right so we made it about
2:37:40her but like I was trying to give her a
2:37:41little extra because not everybody got
2:37:43to make it there and we went a lot for
2:37:45Hannah's birthday like we took him to a
2:37:46Rockies game he we took friends with him
2:37:48I mean you know like popcorn hot dogs
2:37:51but we didn't do that with her books in
2:37:54her defense we bought her switch so it
2:37:56was kind of but see I could tell she was
2:37:58just barely asleep when I went in there
2:38:00so it starts beeping like a beep beep
2:38:03beep beep and I thought that someone was
2:38:05coming in the house
2:38:06so I I look and don't see anyone any new
2:38:09doors or hear anything so I was like I
2:38:11was just been through so I hit an r2564
2:38:13which is our alarm code but it didn't go
2:38:15off
2:38:16and I was like what the hell is this
2:38:18thing so I walk through Lena's room the
2:38:21alarm is in her room and I walk back
2:38:23like through the top part of the house
2:38:24and you've been in the house so you know
2:38:26the top part of the house I haven't been
2:38:27in there okay so there's the upper level
2:38:28and then there's the below basement so I
2:38:30like walk back and forth or whatever I
2:38:32didn't see anything going on then it
2:38:34started saying fire fire fire fire
2:38:37like it kept it's out there and fire oh
2:38:40well so and I thought it was the
2:38:44um
2:38:44you know how like you so there's like
2:38:46sensors for your fire alarm and then
2:38:48there's sensors for your like uh alarm
2:38:50alarm so I wasn't going to everything
2:38:53trying to like ban it while it was going
2:38:55off because I was thinking kitchen fire
2:38:57nothing's wrong whatever so I was
2:38:59quitting like towels over some of the
2:39:01sensors because I thought that was like
2:39:02monitoring the fire thing whatever and
2:39:05then I realized it kept going and going
2:39:06so then I see smoke coming up from the
2:39:09downstairs
2:39:10I run downstairs and my idea of a big
2:39:13fire
2:39:14is anything that I've seen on fire
2:39:17pretty much in their smoke you know just
2:39:19that's just because I grew up in the
2:39:20country so you know like I remember
2:39:22bonfires and like things like that you
2:39:24know so there was smoke coming up
2:39:26through the bases so the basement has
2:39:27like you walk down the basement there's
2:39:29just so fun stuff over here it was
2:39:31coming up through the basement so I like
2:39:34run back up the stairs
2:39:36go grab Lane and luckily my point
2:39:38telling you about her being not a real
2:39:40sleeper she woke right up so she wrote
2:39:43myself and I and I like pretty much like
2:39:44grabbed her and I was like get up get up
2:39:45get up get up I did I gave her keys I
2:39:48said can you go I don't remember that
2:39:49order but I said something along the
2:39:51lines of can you go take the dogs to
2:39:53Daddy's truck and sit there and wait
2:39:55right
2:39:56so I don't remember the order of how we
2:39:58all ran out the house but I know that at
2:40:00that point I did she ran out and I can't
2:40:02remember if I ran out to make sure they
2:40:04got the truck or she ran up by herself I
2:40:05don't remember that part but I do know
2:40:07that they were I know that they were had
2:40:09gotten in a truck I came back inside run
2:40:11back downstairs
2:40:13and that's when I was trying to get Dana
2:40:14because I couldn't get I didn't know how
2:40:17to get everybody at once so my main
2:40:19thing was to get the front people out
2:40:20you know and then go so then I ran that
2:40:22downstairs to get gaming and then the
2:40:24fire was on the floor over here then on
2:40:27the sofa so I'm pretending this is the
2:40:28sofa and this is our core so it was
2:40:30right here and right here
2:40:31and I had saw the candle that was over
2:40:33here so there's coverage everywhere
2:40:36because the kids always get on about
2:40:37they leave a lot of covers laying around
2:40:39all the time I mean there's like 10
2:40:40clothes and LOLs and blankets and all
2:40:42this so they were all right here so I
2:40:44take a whole bunch of them and I go and
2:40:46like like basically Smash down on the
2:40:49sofa and the um fire to put it out so I
2:40:53got a burn and I was like get up again
2:40:56and started running at that point
2:40:57because it wakes him up he's alert he's
2:40:59realizing that the covers and
2:41:01everything's on fire the carpet's on
2:41:02fire and we all go outside so we get in
2:41:07Albert's truck and we drive and I drove
2:41:10off in Phoenix because I saw that I put
2:41:12the fire out so I knew that there was no
2:41:14you know like nothing wrong like it
2:41:16wasn't keep going I drove off and paint
2:41:18it because I just like oh my gosh what
2:41:20do I do now like the carpet you know
2:41:23we've done this and this scanner's upset
2:41:25freaking out because the security is
2:41:27going to get in trouble and and da da da
2:41:29da so you know like the whole talk was
2:41:31going on so we drove maybe around the
2:41:33block a little bit and came right back
2:41:34so we came back in and like developed a
2:41:37plan for the next day to figure out
2:41:40honestly we were going to break the cup
2:41:41like fix the carpet and try to like not
2:41:44say anything and the reason for that is
2:41:46because
2:41:48like Albert freaks out about every
2:41:50little thing if the kids do something
2:41:52and I'm on like me and he'll be like you
2:41:56do this you weren't being a good
2:41:58um you weren't doing this you weren't
2:41:59doing that and so we both kind of were
2:42:01like a little like worried about it and
2:42:04he gets very like crazy like if
2:42:07something goes wrong
2:42:09so that was the plan go to sleep rest he
2:42:12was going to stay out of school
2:42:13I'm gonna get the carpet fixed and then
2:42:16go from there and plus number 30. so
2:42:18Lena didn't want to uh sweep in her room
2:42:21you know everybody was still kind of
2:42:23like frazzled and I think Lena slept
2:42:25with me you're on the sofa I brought the
2:42:26dogs up and again he wanted to go in
2:42:29history by that point because he was
2:42:30already sleeping with it so that's where
2:42:33Sunday
2:42:35uh like pretty much kind of like stopped
2:42:37and everybody went to bed and yeah and I
2:42:40think that's an Albert messages because
2:42:42uh he was pleasing that was on a
2:42:44different time zone and he didn't see
2:42:45him that night so okay and I didn't feel
2:42:47that no one was at harm make sure I say
2:42:50that because the fire was not
2:42:52where was that going now
2:42:55I know that Gannon had like black mark
2:42:58all on his shirt like like the smoke
2:43:01Mark but he had on the long sleeve shirt
2:43:03and a short sleeve shirt because he
2:43:05sometimes he has or whatever stay on
2:43:06short sleeves a long sleeve a short
2:43:08sleeve shirt with a long sleeve shirt
2:43:10um so I didn't see him in any kind of
2:43:13like nothing other than the little burnt
2:43:15that we had I didn't see where did you
2:43:16see burns on Ganon
2:43:18all right so with Ganon I just saw that
2:43:21okay so like on the top like right here
2:43:23like say the shirts are here like right
2:43:25here there was a burn and the reason for
2:43:27that was I think whenever like he'd been
2:43:29trying to come up I'm sorry it kind of
2:43:31burned a little bit I'm not gonna make
2:43:32an assumption I don't really know
2:43:34and as far as that I didn't see anything
2:43:37go like I I didn't know any like other
2:43:40differences or anything like that oh I
2:43:42thought was that I said you okay he ran
2:43:44out the house he was firing at the house
2:43:46everything was normal
2:43:48yeah yeah now I'm gonna let you know in
2:43:50a little bit why he was bleeding but at
2:43:52that point when you get to the Monday
2:43:54morning thing I'll let you know about
2:43:56that describe the claim for me how how
2:43:58tall are these planes is it like
2:44:00smoldering on the carpets are kind of
2:44:01creeping across like a grass fire or is
2:44:03it like coming up working his way up the
2:44:06couch like how is this
2:44:09really don't know I know that it was
2:44:11like here centralized on on the floor
2:44:13but like I could see I think the smoke
2:44:16might have like kind of intimidated me
2:44:19more because I spent all night coughing
2:44:20so I think that that kind of intimidated
2:44:23me so much because I couldn't the
2:44:24visibility was starting to be a little
2:44:26bit you know like
2:44:28as if I had walked into a small fire and
2:44:31I was just
2:44:32afraid that it was gonna because you
2:44:34know like upholstery for the couch that
2:44:37was my biggest concern was the
2:44:38upholstery for the couch so
2:44:40okay so I would say you know it was like
2:44:42maybe like in this area like right here
2:44:44it wasn't like here so the place the
2:44:46Flames were you know two three feet high
2:44:49you think
2:44:50how much light did you see coming off of
2:44:52this through the smoke
2:44:53no okay and that's fine if you don't
2:44:56know I'm not really I'm not like a
2:44:57professional and I was in the moment of
2:45:00freaking out the like even an accurate
2:45:03answer sure oh because I don't want to
2:45:05tell you what's here and I might have
2:45:06been here I don't want to tell you this
2:45:08this and it's
2:45:14if you know that I saw covers
2:45:17coming up on fire what was because what
2:45:20covers were coming up on fire like he
2:45:22had a cover on because he was he was
2:45:24sleeping on himself would be covered
2:45:26with what do you mean what kind of
2:45:28blanket you you'd mentioned there was
2:45:30LOLs there's quilts color which kind of
2:45:33what blanket was he using oh I'm not
2:45:36sure there was a couple that were there
2:45:37there was a black they were all I put
2:45:41them all back in that bin that was
2:45:43sitting there did you he said you didn't
2:45:44mind there was the black it was like a
2:45:46little furry there was watermelon I
2:45:50don't remember specifically which one he
2:45:51had I know there was blankets in the
2:45:53area because they always would make us
2:45:54around it was a mermaid went around but
2:45:56the whole operation when I grabbed them
2:45:58and put it out I grabbed them all and
2:46:00done it okay yeah all right
2:46:03were any of them like damaged whenever
2:46:05that happened oh yeah they also I left
2:46:08them all there when I showed them that
2:46:10night that you know like they were
2:46:12damaged or whatever okay well I haven't
2:46:13been in the house okay I'm sorry I was
2:46:15thinking see like yeah nope I didn't go
2:46:17into the house either so I was like
2:46:19trying to make sure that yeah so
2:46:22then
2:46:24again and decides that he doesn't want
2:46:27to go to school because of his tummy
2:46:28issues or because he's going to help you
2:46:29with the carpet what is it was kind of a
2:46:32combination of both okay and who who
2:46:35used him for school but well I had sex
2:46:37Albert and said could you not go to
2:46:38school first okay because he was hurting
2:46:42with his stomach but also the whole plan
2:46:44was that we were
2:46:45we were going to figure it out so who
2:46:47actually contacted the school to excuse
2:46:49him it wasn't me I didn't I don't know
2:46:51okay
2:46:52um did someone contact because I didn't
2:46:54Liar Liar okay somebody would contact a
2:46:57school or you probably would get like a
2:46:58phone call I know with my kids school if
2:47:00they're not there by 8 15 to office not
2:47:03me because he would have the
2:47:06um like the automated system where he's
2:47:08like your child's gonna think I mean
2:47:10your child is missing for school today
2:47:12whatever whatever okay
2:47:14um
2:47:16so that's Sunday and you're you're
2:47:19saying a lot of we and that kind of
2:47:21thing so so you've mentioned earlier
2:47:23that Harley had gone to work she got
2:47:25called into Massage Envy so who went on
2:47:28the hike
2:47:29or so it was originally gonna be all of
2:47:31the Harley me again Elena
2:47:36and then Harley got called in she like
2:47:38she switched this to someone but then
2:47:40that person like I guess the policy is
2:47:42that that person agreed to take your
2:47:43shift but then they'll come you still
2:47:44have to come or something I don't know
2:47:46so she just was like I have to go she's
2:47:49only gonna be working there in like a
2:47:50few more weeks or whatever so I told her
2:47:52I was like don't burn any Bridges I know
2:47:54it sounds crazy that you have to do that
2:47:55but you got to go in so she went in to
2:47:58work on Sunday okay
2:48:00so it ended up being you Gana or Gannon
2:48:04and Elena that went hiking right okay
2:48:07and so then let's go through Monday yep
2:48:20so we welcome
2:48:21we wake up on Monday
2:48:24how we wake up
2:48:26you know like everybody get yourself
2:48:27whatever whatever
2:48:29size in bed
2:48:31he already knows that we are going out
2:48:34and about today that was the plan
2:48:38let you know I bought blaina out mates
2:48:40because usually again and walks around
2:48:41the time
2:48:42so I walk Lena out
2:48:44to the like front door and around to
2:48:47make sure I seen her around the corner
2:48:48to get to the bus stop and she didn't
2:48:50okay all right come back inside
2:48:53I don't remember if I laid down a little
2:48:55bit I probably played on my phone for a
2:48:56little bit you know wasted a little bit
2:48:58because she goes outside like 6 50 6 55
2:49:01you know still early take the dogs out
2:49:03um things like that well
2:49:05I go down we're talking again about hey
2:49:07like this is a plan like go downstairs
2:49:09the basement whatever say basement but
2:49:11as in like his room is a Foreigner's
2:49:13basement and I realized that Ganon
2:49:16he actually had like marks like on his
2:49:19arm
2:49:20and they were actually like killing at
2:49:23that point and I didn't I didn't I swear
2:49:26I did not realize that they had I I
2:49:28don't know if like they start like
2:49:30because burns are sitting there I don't
2:49:31know if they started like peeling like
2:49:32overnight or like whatever and he had
2:49:36like really bad anxieties so whenever
2:49:39things are Killy or like uh things like
2:49:41he bites his own Nails a lot anyway like
2:49:43anything that's like lose something that
2:49:45they like them so I don't know if like
2:49:47as I guess as burns like you know burned
2:49:50a little bit and when I do this I don't
2:49:52mean
2:49:52like I'm giving you a location I'm just
2:49:55saying like as in Burns like on your
2:49:56skin
2:49:57um I guess the way I'm like you're not
2:49:59like pull a little bit shorty or
2:50:01whatever so like on the arm it kind of
2:50:02gets a little stretchy and peeling but
2:50:04then I was like freaked out because I
2:50:06was like I didn't know
2:50:08that
2:50:10that his arm
2:50:12like that so I'm like crying because and
2:50:16and this is where I have to start
2:50:18telling you you know like
2:50:20and like very like I was scared because
2:50:23my thought process was Albert is going
2:50:25to kill me like because I made a mistake
2:50:29as a parent and I forgot to like really
2:50:31check him down
2:50:32and you really got a little bit more
2:50:35birds than you should
2:50:37well I was freaking out because I
2:50:42was like and again I was like it's okay
2:50:44like it's so fun and like he had on his
2:50:47arm and as it was peeling
2:50:52yeah
2:50:55and just asked you know I don't know
2:50:57enough about Burns man I should have
2:50:59called the hospital and just asked like
2:51:03I made a mistake
2:51:05I swear to y'all I didn't know they were
2:51:08that bad I did
2:51:09so I feel horrible so here I am I know
2:51:12it's not you know about me but as a
2:51:13person I was feeling horrible that I
2:51:15didn't
2:51:16I didn't call Albert to say
2:51:18you know they're like this so I told him
2:51:20I said okay listen this is what we're
2:51:21gonna do we're gonna put some like aloe
2:51:23on your arms you know and things like
2:51:25that and I was like it's gonna be okay
2:51:27we're gonna fix it we're gonna you know
2:51:29now all I could think about was we're
2:51:30gonna fix it and I don't know in my mind
2:51:32how it's going to fix it as far as the
2:51:34he he wasn't in pain he wasn't saying
2:51:36like I'm hurting or anything like that
2:51:39he was more of like peeling it like you
2:51:41know like it was like it was like a boy
2:51:43am I saying that I wear a boy or like
2:51:46slither.io in a blister you know
2:51:50um so there was blood and and then so
2:51:52I'm like holding him and I had blood I
2:51:53mean when I say blood let me explain to
2:51:56you I don't mean like dripping out
2:51:58pouring every blood so let me not like
2:52:00give you that thought process because
2:52:02sometimes when I say like if I say
2:52:03blames to me I'm like this is a big
2:52:06point you know
2:52:08there there is blood
2:52:10I was just so like let's forget so I was
2:52:14like we'll just clean it up don't worry
2:52:16about it we'll we'll figure it out
2:52:17where's the blood out so the blood is on
2:52:20his arms on his like uh sheet that he
2:52:23had which we we washed the sheets
2:52:26um so it was on his sheet it was on his
2:52:28arm and he has them on like like his arm
2:52:31I guess from like sleeping or whatever
2:52:32he had some on the wall we like we
2:52:36cleaned up everything we I put a new I
2:52:38put like garnish the and I said there
2:52:40are garnish like the wrapping
2:52:43but a wrapped me I was like we'll check
2:52:45it with the aloe and see if it gets
2:52:47better because my next thing was I'm
2:52:50gonna assess the situation in so many
2:52:52hours
2:52:52and if it looks because I did look
2:52:55online and it said like if it turns the
2:52:57yellow color then it could be infected
2:52:59or whatever and I was like that was
2:53:01gonna be my next step so I want you to
2:53:02think that I was like neglecting the
2:53:04fact that so you realize that he's got a
2:53:06burn you you do some some treatment that
2:53:08you think is appropriate at the time
2:53:11um and and then you tell yourself you
2:53:14know I'm gonna do this follow-up okay so
2:53:18so then what happens after after you
2:53:20take care again is make sure he's okay
2:53:22honestly I'm facing the house and I know
2:53:24there's two things I gotta fix you know
2:53:26and when I tell you that Albert will
2:53:29freak out over things so I'm just I just
2:53:31want you to know that so Ava I want you
2:53:33to take a picture of my mind of how I'm
2:53:35like afraid to be like okay I gotta fix
2:53:37these situation and I need to fix them
2:53:39fast with carpet and things like that
2:53:42so number one I was like I need to get
2:53:45the I need to fix the carpet and number
2:53:47two I need to figure out you know like
2:53:50it's just like I said does Indiana need
2:53:52to go get like some burn cream or
2:53:54whatever
2:53:57this is probably as good a time
2:54:01I was wondering when you get there okay
2:54:06um Council approach for a minute
2:55:05there's no sound right now by the way
2:55:07because it's sidebar time
2:55:11welcome to membership Angelique
2:55:16foreign
2:55:28ladies and gentlemen um if I can have
2:55:31everyone back in the Drew room at say 1
2:55:3320 we should be able to start uh this
2:55:35afternoon uh on time what we're going to
2:55:38do is I've been talking with the
2:55:40attorneys and
2:55:41um when we come back they're still going
2:55:43to be about uh three hours and 20
2:55:46minutes or so of the video to go we will
2:55:49take another break uh during math uh
2:55:51that's just too long to have you sitting
2:55:54um so we will take another break during
2:55:55that but that's what you can expect when
2:55:57you come back so if you want to bring
2:55:59beverages or something like that feel
2:56:02free to do that so that you have
2:56:04something to drink it seems like it's
2:56:06getting a little warmer in the courtroom
2:56:08when we came in this morning it was a
2:56:10sweltering 64 degrees
2:56:12but it's a it's a little bit warmer now
2:56:15so and I expect it will be this
2:56:16afternoon as well so anyway we will see
2:56:19you at 1 20. uh all rise for the bird
2:56:22please
2:56:36thank you
2:56:39foreign
2:57:10okay everyone I hope you can still hear
2:57:13me
2:57:14so coach resumes at 1 20 p.m uh Colorado
2:57:18time let's just quickly put this on here
2:57:21pair that okay let's just debrief of
2:57:23what we just heard because that was a
2:57:25lot what I've I've put a timer on and it
2:57:29shows we've looked at about 34 minutes
2:57:32of that video and the attorney said it
2:57:35was
2:57:36four hours
2:57:39and 19 minutes long so if my
2:57:41calculations are correct we still have 3
2:57:43hours and 45 left of that
2:57:45that was a lot so let's just quickly go
2:57:47over some things that I wrote here
2:57:51sorry for the big paper paper noise
2:57:54Max is like go nap G you mean snack
2:57:56right
2:57:58okay
2:57:59wait
2:58:01okay wait oh there we go Sunday we're
2:58:04talking with a with a story so that was
2:58:06an interview from January 29th what we
2:58:09heard was Leticia declining many times
2:58:12several times to do an interview and
2:58:14just like what do you want like what do
2:58:15you even want from me to the lead
2:58:17detective um I would like information
2:58:19okay about how to how to help get Gannon
2:58:22home and she's like oh a word okay hold
2:58:25on let me just move this because it
2:58:26looks all weird on that side
2:58:28there we go okay So eventually she
2:58:33whilst in there for an interview on
2:58:34January 29 2020 that's two days after
2:58:38Gannon was murdered
2:58:40so that's can you believe it like that
2:58:42what we just saw it's two days after
2:58:44again and was murdered and she went
2:58:46there with big stories I can't even
2:58:48remember the handbag she mentioned but
2:58:49one of the first things she mentions is
2:58:50her handbag you know it's just like so
2:58:52expensive you know because she thinks
2:58:53she's Kim Kardashian remember that's her
2:58:55role model but she literally in her head
2:58:56thinks like yep yep I'm like that I want
2:58:58to live like that I'm going to dress my
2:59:00hubby up like that I'm I'm her
2:59:02no you're not
2:59:04so anyway she talked a bit about her
2:59:06YouTube channel which I've never found
2:59:07let me know if you found it a YouTube
2:59:09channel and an Instagram called doctor
2:59:11style okay because you know she thinks
2:59:13she's got a Doctorate in Education no
2:59:15then
2:59:16she so she's been uh teaching special
2:59:19education for so long you know yeah
2:59:21right
2:59:22you know she was an assistant teacher
2:59:24but like special ed
2:59:25no tolerance for children clearly
2:59:28um she said that she's got all these
2:59:30offers from these different airlines
2:59:32Spirit was one I think the one was
2:59:34called was it called skyworth or
2:59:35something
2:59:37so many offers coming in to be a flight
2:59:39attendant now let me tell you something
2:59:40if you didn't know my name is Giza La K
2:59:42I'm South African living in the
2:59:44Netherlands okay
2:59:45some people like what accent is that
2:59:48you're new here right I was an airline
2:59:49pilot for South African Airways for nine
2:59:51years of my life and every single year
2:59:55pilots and flight attendants do
2:59:57firefighting training and it's the whole
2:59:59thing it's actually pretty scary they
3:00:01sometimes um you know like a container
3:00:03they put like a whole bunch of
3:00:04containers together or sometimes a
3:00:05really long one super dark in there and
3:00:07then they put like these um
3:00:09like aircraft seats in there and they
3:00:12fill that whole thing with smoke okay
3:00:14it's they they test your your
3:00:17um tolerance to emergency situations of
3:00:19course and especially fire and you've
3:00:20got to like crawl on the floor and
3:00:22follow all the glow-in-the-dark strips
3:00:24but it's it's actually really scary yeah
3:00:26I think it was Michael Kors Michael Kors
3:00:27like Michael Kors and everything so for
3:00:30her to be like oh my word like she it's
3:00:32she's like it's not a high flame I'm not
3:00:34an expert I'm not an expert but it's
3:00:35just like a little flame
3:00:37right but her instinct is to pack all
3:00:40the kids in the car and take a drive
3:00:42around the block we heard the calls that
3:00:44she had with El staff on day two and
3:00:46three and she talks about pecking all
3:00:48the kids in the car and just taking a
3:00:49drive around the block like
3:00:51lady you will never be a flight
3:00:53attendant okay never
3:00:56being a flight attendant is not about
3:00:58being a host okay just like a host D I
3:01:02know people joke about the name hosty no
3:01:03no no it's all about safety and fire
3:01:06fighting is a big one
3:01:08there's no way she was getting offers
3:01:11from anywhere and she's like you know
3:01:12they blew me out no they didn't it
3:01:14doesn't work like that
3:01:15word okay
3:01:17so uh anyway and for me I'm not I'm not
3:01:21scared of a lot I like I don't know I
3:01:23have a high tolerance for like um chaos
3:01:26and fear fearful situation so but still
3:01:29for me that firefighting in that dark
3:01:30environment with all the smoke never
3:01:32mind when we did all the pilot training
3:01:33they also fill the whole Flight Deck
3:01:35with smoke and you gotta like the one
3:01:37engine is going off and then you're
3:01:38hitting a bird over here and you know
3:01:40someone's dying in the back all
3:01:42stimulated and you've got to like handle
3:01:43this right I can handle a lot of
3:01:45pressure so the thing is Leticia no she
3:01:47cannot
3:01:49she's just like oh my word what do I do
3:01:51my first instinct is pack everyone up
3:01:54do a drive around the block yeah right
3:01:56okay she also was talking about was she
3:01:58talking about Al working night shifts or
3:02:00herself because I felt like she started
3:02:02going into quite a different lie there
3:02:04but she's talked about someone working
3:02:05from 6 p.m till 6am I first thought it
3:02:07was her and then she changed it to L so
3:02:09I wasn't sure
3:02:10um she was also panicking about
3:02:13um
3:02:14you see what the night shift thing she
3:02:16said she was panicking about Harley and
3:02:17the dogs she never mentions Elena or
3:02:20Gannon she's Panic that's her priority
3:02:22you can hear it there Harley and the
3:02:24dogs
3:02:26that's it okay
3:02:29thank you thunder Angels South African
3:02:33Powerhouse currently energizing YouTube
3:02:35in the Netherlands yes now
3:02:39she gets then to uh she took I wanted to
3:02:41show you L if I can show you it's just
3:02:43the attorney's head is blocking L but if
3:02:45I could show you L why I wish we could
3:02:47have seen him while she was talking all
3:02:49this crap if he doesn't like his name
3:02:50maybe that's true I don't know he
3:02:51doesn't like his first name Eugene
3:02:53because his dad is a molester she says I
3:02:56don't believe anything she says though
3:02:57but okay she said that and so he likes
3:02:59to be called L she also said that she
3:03:01doesn't like her own first name either
3:03:03so she calls out Tisha and then on
3:03:05Instagram it's Dr Stark on YouTube it's
3:03:07t or t-shirt or whatever the hell she
3:03:10said there right now she talks about
3:03:12Sunday so they're like tell us about you
3:03:13know they just want to know like about
3:03:15it again and going missing and she's
3:03:17like okay okay I'm whip up my nose
3:03:20look now I've got notes so we can
3:03:21debrief of this but this lady in this
3:03:22situation no
3:03:24don't know what the notes are for
3:03:26they're not Grizzly True Crime notes
3:03:27she's sitting there like okay okay I've
3:03:29brought my lies along I'm just gonna
3:03:30follow the script so she brings her
3:03:32notes and says they went hiking at the
3:03:34Garden of the Gods and they have
3:03:35pictures she asked have you seen the
3:03:36pictures because we got pictures and
3:03:38they're like no we haven't seen the
3:03:39pictures okay okay because we have the
3:03:41she means like we have time stamped
3:03:43evidence that we were hiking for six
3:03:45hours
3:03:46and then she says we didn't do dinner
3:03:48but if you remember the
3:03:51if you remember the interview with
3:03:53Spencer we saw him interviewed or take
3:03:56the witness stand testify on day
3:03:59five we're now in day seven day five I
3:04:02believe he was there wasn't yesterday
3:04:03right
3:04:04day five
3:04:06anyway and so he was uh she was talking
3:04:09to him about getting some Burger King
3:04:11like yeah yeah telling uh Hardy come
3:04:14here and then like we remember we got
3:04:15Burger King now she's telling
3:04:17investigators here which was actually
3:04:18before that interview took place
3:04:21saying they didn't get dinner oh but I
3:04:23thought you got Burger King though um
3:04:25yeah I've got a big color-coded notebook
3:04:27I love this look at it look at it yes
3:04:30okay
3:04:31so she says Gannon was in a lot of pain
3:04:34and that already was like what but she
3:04:37said then she said can I show you
3:04:40graphically like a graphic and she's
3:04:42like no no I don't mean graphic and I'm
3:04:43like what is she gonna show hand
3:04:45gestures to show how big his poop was
3:04:48that's what she wants to show it because
3:04:49you know she's always ready to degrade
3:04:51the victim isn't she
3:04:53anyway so she talked about that and then
3:04:55she said they've got French and English
3:04:57bulldogs
3:04:58and talked a little about gas and poop
3:05:00for a while okay it was a lot she said
3:05:02she grew up in the country so she's not
3:05:04used to fires or smoke so for her a tiny
3:05:07fire is a huge fire
3:05:09but am I right guys I don't know if you
3:05:12grew up in the country don't you have
3:05:14bonfires like don't you make fires more
3:05:16than anyone
3:05:17not like you know like campfires bonfire
3:05:21she's like so grew up in the country no
3:05:23bonfires for me really
3:05:26really yes Lorraine Lawrence
3:05:29yeah ridiculous with poop
3:05:33oh let's see this one okay koopy Ducks
3:05:36is the monster gave Ganon xlax so
3:05:38laxatives my relax right to mess up his
3:05:40stomach she planted the Swisher cigs in
3:05:41his book bag the father believes
3:05:42everything those diabolic diabolical
3:05:44lunatic says
3:05:46how was he that clueless you ask um
3:05:49so then
3:05:52L she was declining interviews but Al
3:05:55wasn't he already went in for a second
3:05:57interview he was like me and I forgot to
3:05:59tell you or you left out that you know
3:06:01she had rented a vehicle picked him up
3:06:04in a rental car and he could not locate
3:06:06the Tiguan remember that okay so now
3:06:08let's go to the next bit sorry I'm
3:06:10following on there was a notice at the
3:06:11top little scribble at the top of my
3:06:12page
3:06:13so then she says
3:06:15that in the basement
3:06:18it's a couch
3:06:19and it seems like she's saying again is
3:06:21on the couch covering blankets this
3:06:23little candle that he's
3:06:26uh lit and the blankets are Catching
3:06:30Fire she goes downstairs because she's
3:06:32walking around and just I don't know
3:06:34checking on the kids or what and seeing
3:06:36like whoa there's an alarm going off and
3:06:37suddenly it says fire fire so she goes
3:06:39downstairs and the whole room is just
3:06:42you know filled with smoke that comes
3:06:43later she first is just like tiny fire I
3:06:46can't describe it though because she's
3:06:47not a professional
3:06:48and
3:06:50so she packs all the kids in the car and
3:06:52drives off in a panic
3:06:54yeah no zero survival skills at all
3:06:57there
3:06:58anyway
3:07:00um and then somebody asked in the chat
3:07:01where are the burnt blankets
3:07:04good point
3:07:06where are the burned blankets I wonder
3:07:07if those were some of the blankets that
3:07:08were in the suitcase or not I don't know
3:07:11we are the burned blankets where the
3:07:13clothes you're referred to and where's
3:07:14the weapons because we still don't know
3:07:17we don't know uh the nine millimeter
3:07:19handgun was found in the house
3:07:21um he was trigger winning
3:07:23stabbed 18 times there was four
3:07:25lacerations from blunt force trauma and
3:07:27he was shot at three times one bullet
3:07:29actually lodged in like went through his
3:07:31jaw and went to the backup he said now
3:07:34the gun was found but what shop weapon
3:07:37did she use we don't know we don't know
3:07:41um she she said she thought she put the
3:07:43fire out that's why she had packed
3:07:45around the car and taking a drive around
3:07:46the block because that makes no sense
3:07:50I thought I put it out so everyone we're
3:07:52going for a drive around the block and
3:07:54then she said Gannon was really scared
3:07:55and
3:07:58he had smoke marks all over his shirt
3:08:02she said his arms were burnt but she
3:08:05also said now his neck she even showed
3:08:07like that
3:08:08and we know there was an injury
3:08:10as well from the autopsy
3:08:14wow so so that's interesting you know
3:08:17that she initially to what she was
3:08:19telling l
3:08:21about the burns on his arms we heard all
3:08:22those phone calls but now in this
3:08:25interview she says there were also marks
3:08:27on his neck
3:08:29okay she also lied about booking him off
3:08:32at school when they asked about him
3:08:33being booked off at school she says what
3:08:35what who booked him off I didn't I
3:08:36didn't book him off
3:08:37like what do you mean but like we heard
3:08:40as well now the principal testify yes
3:08:43she texted the principal to book Gannon
3:08:45or from school at like half past four in
3:08:47the morning
3:08:49didn't she oh no no no how about four in
3:08:51the morning she booked herself off
3:08:53late Sunday
3:08:55early Monday morning she had booked
3:08:56Gannon off saying he's got um stomach
3:08:59problems and won't be coming to school
3:09:00that day
3:09:04she booked in it sorry sorry I'm going
3:09:06with my timeline she booked him off on
3:09:07the Sunday she booked herself off
3:09:09because she was a teacher's assistant on
3:09:10the Monday that's when she texted the
3:09:12principal booking herself off but she
3:09:14had booked him off and told Al that he's
3:09:16not going to school today but now she's
3:09:17like what what do you mean book off I
3:09:18didn't do anything who did it did Al do
3:09:20it because I didn't do it what a lie oh
3:09:22my word
3:09:23and she also
3:09:25let's see then she goes to Monday
3:09:27on Monday so the very next day after
3:09:29this fire and I thought they went hiking
3:09:31so Sunday night okay is the fire all
3:09:33that the next day she said Gannon had
3:09:35burns on his arms he had really bad
3:09:36anxiety and he would bite his own nails
3:09:39to that I'll say well does anyone else
3:09:41but anyone else's Nails because like
3:09:43what a comment to make
3:09:44if you're biting nails you're definitely
3:09:46buying your own Nails you know what I
3:09:47mean you're not going to bite someone
3:09:48else's nails
3:09:49stupid Leticia and then she said she she
3:09:51got a whiny voice on and she was really
3:09:54scared she made a mistake and she knew
3:09:58that now in her this is her story that
3:10:00Gannon had burns on his arms and there
3:10:02was a big mess and
3:10:04she said that she was really scared that
3:10:06Albert is going to kill me
3:10:10she had also told we heard the detective
3:10:13Jess Bethel on the witness stand say
3:10:16the teacher said that Al would get
3:10:18really mad and violent now then we don't
3:10:20know anything about it sounds like she's
3:10:22the one who gets mad and violent right
3:10:25yes and I am not T-Pain exactly she's
3:10:28the nail biter and not anyone else
3:10:30wow
3:10:32so she said she should have called the
3:10:35hospital
3:10:36but we heard the calls between her and
3:10:38Ellen she was like what no man it wasn't
3:10:40bad I just put aloe on you know how he
3:10:41is he's fine but Elle was like
3:10:43um
3:10:44my kids like they need a Band-Aid for
3:10:46everything like what do you mean that he
3:10:47was just fine what do you mean that the
3:10:50blisters and stuff were peeling like
3:10:52what
3:10:53so that's a scary little story she then
3:10:55explains
3:10:57because of the burns and the peeling why
3:10:59there's now this where's the blood
3:11:00there's blood on the sheets she washed
3:11:03the sheets she says she put on garnish
3:11:05as well okay
3:11:07I suppose she's yeah I'm talking about
3:11:09the sheets and all that and then she
3:11:10said there's blood on the wall now we
3:11:13saw
3:11:13yesterday's body cam which I've also
3:11:16made a short video of if you want to
3:11:17check that out everything's on the
3:11:18playlist for you but everything's time
3:11:20stamped as well if you do look at the
3:11:21longest streams
3:11:23she said oh we saw on that body cam all
3:11:25those little marks are made on the wall
3:11:27with how much blood spatter there was
3:11:29from all those luminal tests so that is
3:11:30very scary but she's basically
3:11:32explaining why there would be blood on
3:11:35his mattress
3:11:36and why there would even be Blood on the
3:11:38wall
3:11:39doesn't make any sense right okay so
3:11:41those are the notes I have so far that's
3:11:42what we have so far and what I timed is
3:11:44we've listened to
3:11:47um about 38 minutes of this it's a four
3:11:48hour 19 4 hours and 19 minutes long
3:11:52interrogation video which I'm enjoying
3:11:55watching with you it is so nice to have
3:11:57this live reaction with you because
3:11:59normally when it's trials and stuff I
3:12:00watch the stuff and then I'll bring you
3:12:02the updates and the summaries but it's
3:12:03so nice to watch it live with you so
3:12:05thank you so much for being here
3:12:07um I really appreciate let's see the
3:12:09time so now Denver time is
3:12:131204 they said they're coming back at
3:12:15120 right okay so let me just see some
3:12:18of your comments a bit and then I'm
3:12:19going to keep the stream going but I'm
3:12:20going to just have a little a little
3:12:22snack you know it's snack time and time
3:12:24to stretch my legs too and then I come
3:12:26back fully powered up okay
3:12:29even with a coffee little stretch and we
3:12:32back so
3:12:34if you want to just leave the playing in
3:12:35the background do that I'm just going to
3:12:37play like a little tea time break thing
3:12:39that I make for you
3:12:40and Arlene says we love being here with
3:12:43you yes we love it thank you I love
3:12:46being here with you guys yes yes yes
3:12:49love watching with me that's nice I'm
3:12:51glad today I got to sort out all these
3:12:52different views that we can have
3:12:54it's much better zoomed in um I was
3:12:56worried about the quality but I can see
3:12:58like if I do it like that it's okay it's
3:13:00okay
3:13:01yes
3:13:02this is the thing Shelby says this was
3:13:04very late at night why were the kids up
3:13:05that late and she left get into his own
3:13:07devices downstairs I mean the
3:13:10the child that is closest to the fire oh
3:13:12that's the last one she's thinking about
3:13:14right
3:13:15it's very scary I actually wonder what
3:13:16the real story is like what really
3:13:18happened with that candle there was also
3:13:20a sock in the candle remember that they
3:13:21found
3:13:23they found a sock in the candle that was
3:13:24so weird and that whole wax
3:13:28patch and then she also cut out a large
3:13:31portion of the carpet remember that
3:13:34there's a lot of dodgy stuff there I
3:13:36don't know what all she did to him yes
3:13:39keep it real soon I'm very curious if
3:13:40you had his ADHD medicine in his system
3:13:42they mentioned oxycodone
3:13:45and something else what was the other
3:13:46one I can't remember now if you remember
3:13:48tell me
3:13:49um I just remember the oxycodone because
3:13:51I'm like what
3:13:52um but he he didn't take his medication
3:13:54according to her I know what she's
3:13:55saying though that's why you're
3:13:56interested on Friday Saturday oh sorry
3:14:00on Saturday Sunday or Monday yes
3:14:03Jan says it makes my work day much
3:14:05brighter being here with everyone yes
3:14:08yeah tissue
3:14:12very nice Lisa heard official says on
3:14:14YouTube channel love this consider me a
3:14:15Grizzly you're a Grizzly I've been
3:14:16following the story since day one thank
3:14:18you for your amazing coverage and thank
3:14:19you for being here yes
3:14:23okay
3:14:24I just want to see I just want to see
3:14:26something quickly how long is this file
3:14:29I made I can either make like relaxing
3:14:32music for you or
3:14:33just wait this tea break oh the tea
3:14:35break one
3:14:36is it really an hour okay
3:14:40so do you want relaxing music for the
3:14:42break or do you want me to play this
3:14:45bunch of clips that I put together for
3:14:46you we've watched some of it throughout
3:14:47other streams but it's old press
3:14:49conferences news clips and things like
3:14:51that what would you prefer
3:14:54um so just type in
3:14:57one for relaxing music with like a Canon
3:15:02picture background two for
3:15:05an hour's worth of all kinds of clips
3:15:07and press conferences and things
3:15:10okay let's see what you guys say
3:15:13and thank you Amy oh yeah and thank you
3:15:16everyone while you're doing that thank
3:15:17you so much everyone for the super
3:15:19stickers and for becoming members we'll
3:15:21have a members only stream
3:15:23um I always want to do it like right
3:15:25after this but I'm dead you guys I'm so
3:15:27tired of my word I'm so tired after
3:15:28these three these trials I'm like whoa
3:15:30whoa so
3:15:33okay one
3:15:35most more relaxing music am I right
3:15:36music okay you like relaxing music
3:15:40if we watch the clips together or what
3:15:44there's a lot of okay wait I might have
3:15:46to do a poll
3:15:48just hold on one second
3:15:54for the lunch break
3:15:56um anyway so the members only stream
3:15:57might have to be tomorrow if I have
3:15:59energy after these trials I'll do it
3:16:01I'll do it but sometimes I'm just like
3:16:02I'm out of energy last night that was
3:16:04very towards the end I was like damn I'm
3:16:06getting tired okay so I wish you prefer
3:16:09relaxing music
3:16:11or
3:16:13video clips and by video clips I mean
3:16:18oh no not add an option
3:16:22there we go but video clips I mean like
3:16:24press conferences Clips um of L again
3:16:27instead and Mom making statements um old
3:16:30news Clips things like that yeah it's 50
3:16:3250 exactly that's why I'm doing a poll
3:16:34now
3:16:36and I'll keep taking notes as I say I'm
3:16:38Gonna Keep on taking notes and we can
3:16:39just debrief every time I hope the
3:16:41debrief helps as well in case you've
3:16:42missed something
3:16:45no never you know people have always
3:16:47said don't burn out from when I was a
3:16:48child already I've got a lot of energy
3:16:49I'm probably on that 80d profile myself
3:16:54I have a lot of energy and a lot of
3:16:56coffee
3:16:57and a lot of self-care habits that keep
3:16:59me going yes
3:17:03Danny don't say so she gave him two
3:17:05kinds of pain meds I thought she said
3:17:06she did not give him any
3:17:10oh she lies all the time her story
3:17:11changes all the time
3:17:15Marie says when you take a break we love
3:17:17you being here with us yet you need to
3:17:18take a break I do I do I mean the trial
3:17:20only starts every day for me at 5 p.m
3:17:22huh so I have the whole day to relax to
3:17:25catch up
3:17:25I finished at about one in the morning
3:17:27and then I do timestamps and stuff so
3:17:28from two in the morning until the next
3:17:30day five o'clock I'm off you know what I
3:17:32mean
3:17:34okay you guys are voting on the poll
3:17:36video clips most of you are saying video
3:17:38clips okay
3:17:47so let's take it back
3:17:50do you want to see goes all the way to
3:17:52an hour yeah yeah
3:17:56okay so we're gonna put
3:17:59I'm gonna put the video clips on and I
3:18:03I'll be back right
3:18:04and don't worry we will switch it up
3:18:06today we do video clips later we'll do
3:18:08some relaxing music tomorrow we could on
3:18:10sorry Friday we could do relaxing music
3:18:12again if you don't like it just muted
3:18:14and but keep the stream going and I'll
3:18:15see you after the lunch break okay so
3:18:17it's coming back hold wait wait let's
3:18:19put it on I made this for you
3:18:21I made it for you so you could see
3:18:22caught on lunch resumes at 1 20 p.m
3:18:25Colorado time you see that you see that
3:18:27okay so here we go
3:18:30to be in my heart and I'm always going
3:18:32to be in your heart
3:18:33and I'll see you when I get back and
3:18:35he's like okay Daddy love you and I'm
3:18:36going to finish watching Pokemon I
3:18:38remember it like it was yesterday
3:18:40[Music]
3:18:43hey guys and today I'm I'm about to play
3:18:45some Sonic Mania
3:18:49for our channels we're going to be doing
3:18:52a lot of these together
3:18:57it is
3:19:01laughs
3:19:11[Applause]
3:19:11[Music]
3:19:16you're teasing Tails yes he's my boy
3:19:21show it oh I got and nickels
3:19:24[Music]
3:19:30[Music]
3:19:35[Applause]
3:19:38I believe
3:19:40[Music]
3:19:43I believe
3:19:45nope
3:19:47go fall and crack your face open
3:19:55[Music]
3:20:06[Music]
3:20:10I'm sorry about that I see it's now it
3:20:13looks like glitching a little bit just
3:20:14give me a second
3:20:17sorry about that everyone okay
3:20:20hold on hold on we wait for it okay
3:20:22let's first do this to keep you
3:20:24entertained we like to do that
3:20:34stand by
3:20:53foreign
3:20:57[Music]
3:22:03thank you
3:22:30I'm always going to be in your heart
3:22:33and I'll see you when I get back and
3:22:34he's like okay Daddy love you and I'm
3:22:36going to finish watching Pokemon I
3:22:38remember it like it was yesterday
3:22:42hey guys and today I'm I'm about to play
3:22:45some Sonic Mania
3:22:49for our channels we're going to be doing
3:22:52a lot of these together
3:22:56it is
3:22:59[Music]
3:23:01all right
3:23:16you choosing Tails yes I love pills he's
3:23:19my boy
3:23:24thank you
3:23:27sorry noodles
3:23:33I Believe I Can Fly
3:23:36I believe nope
3:23:39to fall and crack your face open
3:23:45today
3:23:54[Music]
3:23:56it is surveillance video that could be
3:23:58at the heart of a child murder case
3:24:00showing Gannon leaving with a stepmom
3:24:02Leticia but according to neighbor
3:24:04Roderick Drayton Gannon is nowhere to be
3:24:06seen when Leticia returns I watched the
3:24:08video I could slow her down speed it up
3:24:10I know he didn't come home with her so I
3:24:12knew something she'd done something with
3:24:14him or to him Drayton started reviewing
3:24:16footage after a knock on the door from
3:24:18the FBI just kept looking through video
3:24:20earnings of Clips until I found it
3:24:24from the start a search team scoured
3:24:26acres of land looking for Ganon Leticia
3:24:29has maintained her innocence full
3:24:30emotional Cassie Brown knows the family
3:24:32it's been really tough her son was
3:24:35friends with Gannon the two bonded over
3:24:36video games he really did love Sonic as
3:24:38much as everybody says like many in the
3:24:40lorson ranch subdivision they're showing
3:24:43their respects blue is the theme he's
3:24:45really a light
3:24:47he's so happy and so loving balloons and
3:24:52ribbons are hard to miss after hearing
3:24:54what happened today it's like it's just
3:24:57it's just heartbreaking as a community
3:24:58prays for a family experiencing
3:25:01tremendous sorrow crime lab
3:25:03investigators spent several hours at the
3:25:05Stout family home this evening they left
3:25:07around nine o'clock tonight though the
3:25:09El Paso County Sheriff's Office won't
3:25:11get specific about what they are looking
3:25:13for also when district attorney Dan May
3:25:15was confronted by reporters this
3:25:17afternoon he would not specify why he
3:25:20paid a visit to the family home the
3:25:22neighborhood has rallied around the
3:25:24Stout family this has been an area of
3:25:26intense search over the last week
3:25:28ribbons and porch lights here are blue
3:25:30ganon's favorite color the latest public
3:25:33development is surveillance video from
3:25:35the next door neighbor it appears to
3:25:36show Gannon getting into a pickup truck
3:25:38that the neighbor says belongs to the
3:25:40boy's stepmother Leticia staff the truck
3:25:42returns to the home without the boy
3:25:44about four hours later Leticia has not
3:25:46responded to our request for comment we
3:25:49do know that she told investigators she
3:25:50last Saw Gannon at the home between 3 15
3:25:52and 4 pm on the day he went missing she
3:25:55said that he was planning on going to a
3:25:56friend's house meanwhile ganon's father
3:25:58and biological mother put out a video
3:26:00statement through the El Paso County
3:26:02Sheriff's Office and a kid just doesn't
3:26:04disappear and no one sees him that's
3:26:06those it's not how this works so if you
3:26:09have anything that's credible if you're
3:26:12afraid don't worry about imagine my son
3:26:14how afraid he is imagine how Frank
3:26:17Gannon is so please call please write if
3:26:21you need to have someone else to do it
3:26:23for you please do
3:26:24because my son deserves to be here as of
3:26:27tonight law enforcement has not
3:26:29announced any arrests or suspects at the
3:26:31El Paso County Sheriff's Office says
3:26:33they are continuing to search for again
3:26:34and and that they've received 231 tips
3:26:37tips that they say they will vet with
3:26:39the hope of bringing Gannon home safely
3:26:41in Colorado Springs tonight I'm Ryan
3:26:43Harrow 9 News
3:26:48how do I describe my G-Man my Gannon
3:26:51gannon's my hero I love him so much he's
3:26:55not only my hero he has multiple people
3:26:58that call him his hero as well he has so
3:27:02many family members that just look up to
3:27:04him at such a small age
3:27:06he's full of life he's happy he's
3:27:09energetic he loves sports he loves Sonic
3:27:12he loves going outside playing with his
3:27:15friends his sister his neighbor
3:27:16especially Braden
3:27:18um this neighborhood basically gives you
3:27:22a true example of who my son is
3:27:24everybody coming together
3:27:26all the smiles that people have
3:27:28this is why I have hope because I feel
3:27:31it this is again and truly speaking to
3:27:33our community
3:27:35Gannon is he loves blue he loves Sonic
3:27:38he's into coding he loves riding his
3:27:41bicycle with a sister and I know that
3:27:44he's missing that right now
3:27:45he holds his job as being Big Bubba very
3:27:49important and for him not to be able to
3:27:51talk to his sisters
3:27:53has to be hurting him
3:27:55this week has been awful
3:27:57it's been more than a roller coaster
3:27:59ride
3:28:00it's been more than emotional mess
3:28:04I don't even have answers for my
3:28:05feelings other than I'm afraid I'm
3:28:08afraid that I will never hear his voice
3:28:10that I'll never hear him run and say
3:28:12Mommy
3:28:14that I'll never hear those corny jokes
3:28:16that he always tell every single day he
3:28:18has to tell me a joke he looks forward
3:28:19to telling me something silly
3:28:22and I'm afraid that
3:28:25I mean never say that again or hear it I
3:28:28don't want to believe that because that
3:28:30means that I'm giving up hope and I'm
3:28:32not giving up hope because my son is
3:28:34full of Hope
3:28:35so I'm urging anyone that has any leads
3:28:39credible leads
3:28:40if you're too afraid because you know
3:28:42something a kid just doesn't disappear
3:28:44and no one sees him that's doesn't it's
3:28:47not how this works so if you have
3:28:49anything that's credible if you're
3:28:51afraid don't worry about imagine my son
3:28:54how afraid he is imagine how Frank
3:28:57Gannon is so please call please write if
3:29:01you need to have someone else to do it
3:29:03for you please do
3:29:04because my son deserves to be here he
3:29:07deserves to be here please call Yellow
3:29:09Paso Sheriff's County
3:29:11and let them know and I thank you guys
3:29:14the community for what you've done
3:29:16because this is again this is who he is
3:29:20and I thank you guys so much
3:29:23well again it was born he weighed only
3:29:25one pound of six ounces and even today
3:29:28he's still our Miracle child
3:29:30he still is and
3:29:37he's such a happy child and he just
3:29:40brings life to every party
3:29:42he his smile even today is keeping us
3:29:44going his affection smile brings me joy
3:29:46every time I think about it
3:29:49the past eight days have been uh has
3:29:52landed said a roller coaster of emotions
3:29:54sometimes we jump in for Joy because we
3:29:56get an information that we might think
3:29:58is a break in the case and then the next
3:30:01minute we get it from you know we see
3:30:03something or get information that just
3:30:05breaks our heart in a million pieces
3:30:06again
3:30:07but through all this just know that your
3:30:09thoughts and your prayers and your
3:30:12messages keep them coming because even
3:30:14if we don't respond we are receiving
3:30:16them and that has given us strength to
3:30:17get through this
3:30:19and I do want to say I'm so proud of of
3:30:21Lena my little baby girl here and of
3:30:23Landon you know my children's Mother
3:30:25they've been so strong through this
3:30:26stronger than I would have ever thought
3:30:28that I that I could have ever been and
3:30:30I'm getting straight from them as well
3:30:33as I said please keep sending your
3:30:34thoughts and your prayers because we are
3:30:37receiving them and if you have any
3:30:38information any information at all that
3:30:40could help please reach out to the El
3:30:42Paso County Sheriff's Office with only
3:30:44credible information but any information
3:30:46that you think may help thank you so
3:30:48much
3:30:51[Music]
3:30:54thank you
3:30:58we have a sad update tonight in the
3:31:01Gannon Stout case the 11 year old boy's
3:31:03body believed to have been found in
3:31:05Florida his stepmom reported him missing
3:31:07back in January and as news 5's Colette
3:31:10bordelon explains she is now facing nine
3:31:12new charges accused of his murder
3:31:15those charges against gannon's stepmom
3:31:17Leticia Stout stemming from that
3:31:20discovery which happened Wednesday of
3:31:22this week when our Sheriff's Office got
3:31:24a call from deputies in Florida saying
3:31:26they found a young boy's body and after
3:31:28an autopsy are tentatively identifying
3:31:31him as Gannon
3:31:34his Mark left on Larson Ranch
3:31:39with an update on Friday every heart
3:31:41broke after remains found in Florida
3:31:43potentially point to Gannon how does a
3:31:46person think like that to do something
3:31:48so heinous Kelly Gasper lives across the
3:31:50street from the Stout home we'd have the
3:31:52windows open we'd hear the kids playing
3:31:54outside that's the best sound is the
3:31:56kids outside playing and he was one of
3:31:58them a boy she believes deserves answers
3:32:01how do you get from Colorado to Florida
3:32:03with the body and not be noticed the
3:32:05discovery changing the case for the
3:32:07prosecution anytime you have a homicide
3:32:10case the body has a lot of evidence
3:32:12associated with it and I'm speaking in
3:32:14only a general sense now 13 charges
3:32:16filed against Leticia Stout including
3:32:19the standard first degree murder charge
3:32:20and eight crimes of violence including
3:32:23use of a firearm blunt object and a
3:32:26knife or something similar we met with
3:32:28the family earlier today and obviously
3:32:30they're distraught with this information
3:32:31they were still holding out hope that
3:32:33Gannon would come home alive despite the
3:32:35original charges that we filed in this
3:32:37case lead prosecutor on the case Mike
3:32:38Allen says even though gannon's body was
3:32:41potentially found in Florida they
3:32:43believe the crimes happened in Colorado
3:32:45otherwise they couldn't charge her here
3:32:49I'm gonna miss hearing his laughter with
3:32:52the rest of the kids out in the out in
3:32:54the street playing while neighbors work
3:32:56to remember a young boy taken too soon
3:32:58Justice will be served if it's not here
3:33:01on Earth it'll be up in heaven
3:33:03only time will tell what happened to
3:33:05Ganon as his stepmom sits in jail
3:33:08accused of the crime Leticia Stout is
3:33:10still scheduled to appear in court on
3:33:12April 14th Allen says despite covid-19
3:33:15in custody cases like hers are still
3:33:17being heard at this time meanwhile the
3:33:20investigation continues with the
3:33:21Sheriff's Office wanting to hear from
3:33:23anyone who might have seen Stout in
3:33:25Florida at the beginning of February
3:33:27always watching out for you El Paso
3:33:29County Co-op portal on news 5. we thank
3:33:31you for your patience as we work
3:33:33diligently to piece together what led to
3:33:35gannon's disappearance
3:33:37our speakers today will be Sheriff Bill
3:33:39Elder Lieutenant Mitch mahalco FBI
3:33:42Denver division special agent in charge
3:33:45Dean Phillips district attorney Dan May
3:33:48and Senior Deputy district attorney
3:33:51Michael Allen
3:33:53we will not be taking any questions at
3:33:55the conclusion of the press conference
3:33:57however I will be reading a statement
3:33:59from gannon's father Al Landon may may
3:34:03not speak
3:34:05please respect the family's requests for
3:34:08privacy as they begin to absorb and
3:34:11process the devastating news they have
3:34:13received today
3:34:14Sheriff Elder
3:34:18thanks Jackie
3:34:20um welcome everybody
3:34:23today marks five weeks
3:34:25since the investigation Into The
3:34:27Disappearance of Gannon Stout
3:34:30we're holding the press conference to
3:34:32update you on some significant
3:34:33developments
3:34:36while we've yet to locate Gallant Gannon
3:34:38this morning just after 8 o'clock A.M
3:34:40East Coast time
3:34:42Leticia Stout was taken into custody in
3:34:45Myrtle Beach South Carolina without
3:34:46incident
3:34:47by law enforcement officers from this
3:34:49the El Paso County Sheriff's Office the
3:34:52Denver and Columbia divisions of the FBI
3:34:55the Myrtle Beach South Carolina Police
3:34:57Department
3:34:58the Horry County
3:35:00South Carolina Police Department and
3:35:03Sheriff's Office
3:35:06Leticia will be held without bond in the
3:35:08J Reuben Long Detention Center in Horry
3:35:11County South Carolina will she where she
3:35:13will remain until she's extradited back
3:35:16to Colorado Springs on the following
3:35:17charges
3:35:19charge one murder in the first degree of
3:35:22a child Under 12 years of age by a
3:35:25person in a position of trust
3:35:28child abuse resulting in death
3:35:31tampering with a deceased human body
3:35:34and tampering with physical evidence
3:35:37I cannot stress enough
3:35:38what a difficult time this has been for
3:35:41gannon's family
3:35:44like Jackie said they've provided a
3:35:45written statement but they will not and
3:35:47they won't be providing any interviews
3:35:49at this time
3:35:50and I ask that you protect their privacy
3:35:54this has been a rapidly Devol developing
3:35:56and highly complex investigation and it
3:35:59underscores the importance of teamwork
3:36:02in the law enforcement agents in our
3:36:04community
3:36:05while our hope is always the tragic
3:36:08cases like this never happen it is
3:36:10precisely why the extremely close
3:36:12relationships we enjoy with our local
3:36:14state and national law enforcement
3:36:16Partners becomes the most important
3:36:19the list of people from around the
3:36:21country that have worked many many long
3:36:23hours and invested themselves so deeply
3:36:25and is long and impressive
3:36:28I offer my sincere thanks to each and
3:36:30every one of you for all that you've
3:36:32done in the investigative efforts so far
3:36:36the safety of the citizens of this
3:36:37community is the top priority to all of
3:36:40us standing before you today we'd like
3:36:42to thank the thousands of members of
3:36:44this community for your compassion
3:36:46your kindness and your thoughtfulness
3:36:48your generosity
3:36:50and your support while we've taken on
3:36:52the tireless search efforts over the
3:36:53past five weeks
3:36:56on behalf of the Sheriff's Office all of
3:36:59the investigators the staff the
3:37:00volunteers involved in this
3:37:01investigation
3:37:03from all over the United States we would
3:37:05like to express our deepest sympathies
3:37:07to gannon's family and friends
3:37:11there is no way to express the depth of
3:37:13our sympathy
3:37:14and our hearts break for you
3:37:17but I make this promise this team will
3:37:19continue its work these Partners will
3:37:21remain steadfast and diligent until the
3:37:24conclusion and final prosecution of this
3:37:26case
3:37:28we will not stop
3:37:29and this investigation has only begun
3:37:33leticia's arrest photograph will be made
3:37:35available to the media as soon as we can
3:37:37following the press conference Jackie
3:37:39will have the details and now I will
3:37:42turn this the microphone over to
3:37:44Lieutenant Mitch mahalco
3:37:52good afternoon
3:37:54we will we will not be going into detail
3:37:56about the information in the
3:37:58investigation which ultimately resulted
3:38:00in the rest of Leticia
3:38:01but I can tell you that this has been a
3:38:03methodical and time-consuming
3:38:05multi-state operation with investigators
3:38:07working nearly around the clock to find
3:38:10Gannon
3:38:11there have been thousands of hours of
3:38:13Investigation in search efforts
3:38:17this includes large-scale searches in
3:38:19addition to small specific searches with
3:38:21drones horses canines and other
3:38:24resources
3:38:26while we have not yet found Gannon
3:38:28information has been developed that is
3:38:30helping us narrow our search
3:38:33as you can see from the arrest sadly we
3:38:36do not believe Gannon is alive
3:38:39our work is only just beginning
3:38:41and you will continue to see many law
3:38:43enforcement officials in El Paso County
3:38:45over the coming weeks and possibly
3:38:46months as we continue our Relentless
3:38:49pursuit of justice for Gannon and his
3:38:51family
3:38:52on behalf of the investigators and staff
3:38:54involved in this investigation we would
3:38:56like to express our deepest
3:38:59sympathies to the family and the friends
3:39:02of Gannon
3:39:03the death of a child is something no
3:39:05parent should ever have to endure
3:39:09this case has not just been an
3:39:10investigation for us this case has
3:39:13become very personal and will forever
3:39:15remain in our hearts
3:39:17we will continue to work closely with
3:39:19the Fourth Judicial District Attorney's
3:39:20Office the FBI and other partners to the
3:39:23conclusion of this investigation
3:39:26at this time I'd like to turn this over
3:39:28to FBI Denver division special agent and
3:39:30charge Dean Phillips
3:39:36thank you for being here today
3:39:40on behalf of the men and women of the
3:39:42FBI
3:39:43all the special agents
3:39:45investigative analysts support staff
3:39:48and our Task Force officers we express
3:39:51our deepest condolences to the family
3:39:53the friends and the loved ones okay
3:39:58to the Press I also ask that you give
3:40:00the family space and time in order to
3:40:03process the information that they're
3:40:05dealing with now
3:40:07to the community thank you for your
3:40:09patience and understanding for your
3:40:11assistance and for the support you
3:40:14provided to the law enforcement
3:40:15Community as we have worked through this
3:40:17investigation
3:40:19the law enforcement Community I want to
3:40:21recognize in particular
3:40:23the El Paso County Sheriff's office
3:40:24Colorado Springs Police Department
3:40:28the Douglas County Police Douglas County
3:40:31Sheriff's Office our partners are task
3:40:33force Partners in Pueblo the Pueblo PD
3:40:36Pueblo County Sheriff's Office and the
3:40:38Colorado State Patrol
3:40:41all of these agencies have worked
3:40:42tirelessly and seamlessly together
3:40:45throughout this investigation
3:40:47although this is not the outcome for
3:40:49which we had hoped
3:40:51we continue to work this aggressively
3:40:54and we will continue to work it through
3:40:56to the end
3:40:58as far as the FBI is concerned we
3:41:00brought significant resources to bear
3:41:02to include
3:41:04agents special agents investigative
3:41:06analysts technical support
3:41:09evidence response teams and behavioral
3:41:12analysis unit support
3:41:14but we are not done we will be here with
3:41:16our partners to the end we will continue
3:41:18to help law enforcement and the
3:41:20prosecutors see this to the very end
3:41:23and know this
3:41:25when it comes to the loss of a child
3:41:28the FBI
3:41:30will always bring all available and
3:41:33logical resources to bear
3:41:35to help our law enforcement Partners
3:41:37when called we will answer the call
3:41:41to the community I want to tell you that
3:41:45at this point
3:41:46all the evidence points to
3:41:49again his disappearance being the result
3:41:51of Foul Play
3:41:53but we have no reason to believe that
3:41:55there is any information or intelligence
3:41:57indicating a threat to other children in
3:41:59the community
3:42:01thank you very much
3:42:07this is not the outcome that anybody
3:42:09here wanted
3:42:10we wish today as we were standing here
3:42:13that we had little Gannon with us to be
3:42:15able to present our community still
3:42:17alive and doing well unfortunately
3:42:19that's not the situation as you've heard
3:42:22in arrest warrant was issued for
3:42:24first-degree murder of Gannon in this
3:42:26case
3:42:27unfortunately we've had to get to know
3:42:29the family now as part of our
3:42:31prosecution family and they'll be with
3:42:33us for the next many months going
3:42:35forward
3:42:36it's an unfortunate thing that we are
3:42:38here today
3:42:39I do want to thank all those who've been
3:42:41involved the FBI has been amazing John
3:42:44Cronin who's the special agent in charge
3:42:47here in Colorado Springs has spent
3:42:49literally his team 24 7 for weeks across
3:42:53this country we could not have done this
3:42:54without their support
3:42:56Bill Elder's team has been fabulous in
3:42:58terms of their work working tirelessly
3:43:01again 24 7 for many weeks hoping we
3:43:04would find Gannon unfortunately we are
3:43:06not
3:43:07Colorado Springs Police Department Kevin
3:43:09Clark came over and it's been amazing
3:43:11the work that he has done which I
3:43:13understand he may even be get a special
3:43:15recognition from the FBI in terms of
3:43:16what he's done on this case
3:43:19my lead prosecutor on this case has been
3:43:21Michael Allen he will continue to be the
3:43:23league prosecutor throughout this case
3:43:25and with that I'd like to introduce him
3:43:27to fill you in on some of the things we
3:43:29expect going forward
3:43:35I want to let everybody know that the
3:43:38affidavit in this case supporting the
3:43:39arrest warrant remains sealed we do
3:43:42understand why this case has drawn the
3:43:44attention it has from across our
3:43:45community our and also across our
3:43:47country well we want to do everything we
3:43:49can to make sure we achieve Justice for
3:43:51Gannon so we're not going to talk about
3:43:53the facts of the case going forward
3:43:55we want to make sure that we protect
3:43:56these criminal proceedings
3:44:00anytime anytime a child goes missing
3:44:02it's natural for people to want to help
3:44:04out and we encourage people if you have
3:44:06credible tips to still report those tips
3:44:08to the Sheriff's Department we are going
3:44:10to continue this investigation and
3:44:12really it's a two-pronged investigation
3:44:14at this process I should say one we
3:44:17still want to bring Ganon home so that
3:44:19he can have a proper burial and his
3:44:20family can achieve the closure that they
3:44:22need but we also want to hold the person
3:44:25that we are charging Leticia Stout
3:44:28accountable for what she did in this
3:44:30case
3:44:31she has been arrested on the following
3:44:33charges murder in the first degree child
3:44:35Under 12 by a person in position of
3:44:37trust that is a Class one felony and
3:44:40carries the potential penalty of life in
3:44:42prison without parole
3:44:43the other charges are child abuse
3:44:45resulting in death tampering with the
3:44:47deceased body and tampering with
3:44:49physical evidence
3:44:51the extradition process is where we are
3:44:53now we will proceed until we get Leticia
3:44:57back here to phase formal filing of
3:44:59charges which will be sometime in the
3:45:00coming days we do have a team of folks
3:45:03in Myrtle Beach South Carolina right now
3:45:06two prosecutors from our office FBI
3:45:09agents and members of the El Paso County
3:45:10Sheriff's Office they're collecting
3:45:12evidence even in South Carolina as we
3:45:14speak and that will continue until they
3:45:16exhaust that effort
3:45:18uh I do want to add to that all
3:45:20defendants Leticia included are innocent
3:45:23until proven guilty Beyond a reasonable
3:45:24doubt that will be the case it's our
3:45:26burden to prove this case Beyond a
3:45:27reasonable doubt we are confident that
3:45:29we'll be able to do that but because we
3:45:31have that burden we want to protect
3:45:32these proceedings we won't be commenting
3:45:34again on the facts of this case thank
3:45:36you very much
3:45:45really I'm not in their correct mindset
3:45:48to be even standing up here but if I had
3:45:49to say one thing
3:45:51that when he said Canon is no longer
3:45:54with us I'd have to say again and is
3:45:55with us
3:45:57after the stories of people from all
3:45:59over the world
3:46:01he's not only my hero now he's a World's
3:46:04hero
3:46:06so I think the community the positive
3:46:09support from a state that I've never
3:46:12visited other than two or three times
3:46:15I'm astounding by the amount of love
3:46:17that's not come from me this came from
3:46:19my boy
3:46:20and
3:46:23never thought I'd be standing here it
3:46:25was a nightmare
3:46:28I've had to put trust in the people I
3:46:30don't know
3:46:31today I got the worst news
3:46:35in the best news
3:46:38obviously we know what the worst news is
3:46:40but the best news is that Justice will
3:46:42be served and I'll make sure that
3:46:44Justice is served because my boy did not
3:46:47deserve any of this that has happened to
3:46:49him
3:46:50so I urge Media One More Time
3:46:53just to hold off on questions until we
3:46:56know
3:46:57that this person the Stepmom that I even
3:47:01trusted
3:47:02that she would pay
3:47:04a hundred percent
3:47:06for this heinous thing she done
3:47:09and I know that that's going to be due
3:47:10we'll be done so I asked you guys I beg
3:47:13and plead of you if you've known if you
3:47:14see the story all of you have seen this
3:47:16story please hold that very close to you
3:47:19because I want to live this Earth
3:47:21knowing that Justice will served for my
3:47:22boy
3:47:23and I know that you've seen pictures
3:47:26you've seen stories you've seen my
3:47:29little man
3:47:30he is truly my hero and I'm gladly
3:47:33giving that to you guys too that he can
3:47:34be your hero I've heard stories of
3:47:36people that have not prayed in years
3:47:38that have finally fell on their knees to
3:47:40pray I know where my son's at without a
3:47:43Shadow of Doubt
3:47:44so many families have been brought
3:47:46closer together
3:47:48because of this
3:47:49I know my boy is special and I've told
3:47:51my people and my family and friends
3:47:55that Gannon has a testimony
3:47:57the Ganon has a story he's special
3:48:02and this is his story
3:48:05so make that story
3:48:08magnificent
3:48:11who my child is and I'm putting my trust
3:48:14into you guys
3:48:16to do that
3:48:18so thank you for allowing Gannon to be
3:48:19your hero and sharing him with us
3:48:30so now I'm going to read
3:48:33a statement from Al gannon's dad
3:48:38in a moment on September 29 2008 my
3:48:42heart stopped as my baby boy entered
3:48:44this world way too early weighing only
3:48:47one pound six ounces
3:48:49his infectious smile and constant
3:48:51laughter made an impact on every single
3:48:53person he's ever met although I'll miss
3:48:56the years I missed the years when he was
3:48:58learning to walk learning to talk and he
3:49:01had welcomed his little home from
3:49:02the hospital I've been looking forward
3:49:04to his teenage years and the fun we had
3:49:07ahead of us as he became a young man
3:49:10okay
3:49:16in a moment
3:49:18on March 2nd 2020 my heart stopped again
3:49:22when with what we have heard up to this
3:49:24point my little boy is not coming home
3:49:28we will never play Nintendo again
3:49:31no more taco Tuesdays
3:49:33no more smooth looking haircuts
3:49:36no more Big Bubba for my Lena and no
3:49:39more G-Man for the world
3:49:43the person who committed this heinous
3:49:45horrible crime is one that I gave more
3:49:48to anyone else on this planet and that
3:49:50as a burden that I will carry with me
3:49:52for a very long time
3:49:54but the god I believe in is the owner
3:49:56and decider of justice and Vengeance
3:49:58only he can repay
3:50:01although I am selfish and want my baby
3:50:03boy here now and forever how can I
3:50:05question God for bringing Ganon home to
3:50:08him
3:50:09because Gannon believed in God and I
3:50:11will never stop believing
3:50:13thank you to the El Paso County
3:50:15Sheriff's Office and the FBI for the
3:50:18thousands of hours it took to uncover
3:50:20the truth as we know it and may they
3:50:23stay strong and focused as they move
3:50:25forward
3:50:32the mug shot for Leticia will be
3:50:34available on our social media platforms
3:50:37as soon as she is formally booked into
3:50:39the Horry County Sheriff's Office
3:50:40Detention Facility
3:50:42I do have press packets available for
3:50:45the media which will be available at the
3:50:47conclusion of the press conference
3:50:49as senior district attorney Michael
3:50:52Allen said all investigation questions
3:50:55should be directed to the district
3:50:56attorney's office all search effort
3:50:59information will continue to come from
3:51:00the El Paso County Sheriff's Office
3:51:04right now I'd like to time take the time
3:51:06to thank the media for your constant
3:51:08coverage and not letting this nation
3:51:10forget Ganon
3:51:12our work is not done let's continue to
3:51:15work together to find him
3:51:17thank you for coming
3:51:38really I'm not in the correct mindset to
3:51:40be even standing up here but if I had to
3:51:42say one thing
3:51:43that when he said Canon is no longer
3:51:46with us I'd have to say again and he is
3:51:48with us
3:51:49after the stories of people from all
3:51:51over the world
3:51:53he's not only my hero now
3:51:55he's a World's hero
3:51:58so I think the community the positive
3:52:02support from a state that I've never
3:52:04visited other than two or three times
3:52:07I'm astounded by the amount of love
3:52:10that's not come from me has came from my
3:52:12boy
3:52:13and
3:52:16never thought I'd be standing here it
3:52:18was a nightmare
3:52:20I've had to put trust in the people I
3:52:22don't know
3:52:24today I got the worst news
3:52:27in the best news
3:52:30obviously we know what the worst news is
3:52:32but the best news is that Justice will
3:52:34be served and I'll make sure that
3:52:37Justice is served because my boy did not
3:52:39deserve any of this that has happened to
3:52:41him
3:52:43so I urge Media One More Time
3:52:46just to hold off on questions until we
3:52:49know
3:52:50that this person the Stepmom that I even
3:52:53trusted
3:52:54that she will pay
3:52:56a hundred percent
3:52:58for this heinous thing she'd done
3:53:01and I know that that's going to be due
3:53:03we'll be done so I asked you guys I beg
3:53:05and plead of you if you've known if you
3:53:07see the story all of you have seen this
3:53:08story please hold that very close to you
3:53:12because I want to live this Earth
3:53:13knowing that Justice will served for my
3:53:15boy
3:53:16and I know that you've seen pictures
3:53:18you've seen stories you've seen my
3:53:21little man
3:53:22he is truly my hero and I'm gladly
3:53:25giving that to you guys too that he can
3:53:27be your hero I've heard stories of
3:53:28people that have not prayed in years
3:53:30that have finally fell on their knees to
3:53:32pray I know where my son's at without a
3:53:35shadow of a doubt so many families have
3:53:38been brought closer together
3:53:40because of this
3:53:42I know my boy is special and I've told
3:53:44my people and my family
3:53:46inference that Gannon has a testimony
3:53:49again and has a story he's special
3:53:54and this is his story
3:53:57so make that story
3:54:01magnificent
3:54:03who my child is and I'm putting my trust
3:54:06into you guys
3:54:08to do that
3:54:09so thank you for allowing Gannon to be
3:54:12your hero and share him with us
3:54:21the work also understands
3:54:25that this is an emotional case for a lot
3:54:28of people
3:54:30almost all cases involving a church a
3:54:34first degree murder or
3:54:37the judges in this District handle a
3:54:40number of first-degree murder cases all
3:54:42the time
3:54:44this case is governed by the same rules
3:54:46of law evidence of procedure that apply
3:54:49to all of those cases
3:54:52in addition please remember that audible
3:54:55comments and emotional displays or
3:54:57outbursts are strictly prohibited
3:55:00is it any time during the proceedings
3:55:03you feel the the onset of emotional
3:55:05reaction that may violate the Court's
3:55:07order
3:55:08please quietly and discreetly Texas
3:55:12there is no in and out and once you
3:55:15leave for whatever reason you will not
3:55:17be permitted back in
3:55:19that filing other charges Mr Allen thank
3:55:24you honor we uh earlier today filed the
3:55:26formal charges to the report system and
3:55:28I'm handling a paper copy to the defense
3:55:30team now yeah
3:55:32uh it was earlier this morning judge
3:55:34okay
3:55:36I can advise the courts of what those
3:55:38charges are if you'd like yes because it
3:55:40hasn't made it out of the clerk's office
3:55:42yet so when you file it downstairs
3:55:44electronically it takes roughly about a
3:55:46day or so for it to death house
3:55:50just
3:55:53the magic of the uh
3:56:03so what I have is forecast that's
3:56:06exactly what I judged all right
3:56:08we have received that your honor and we
3:56:10have advice sorry okay
3:56:15um at the four count completed
3:56:16information wait further redeem or
3:56:18anything okay foreign and
3:56:22um
3:56:26I've received this case because of you
3:56:28know one uh the first rumor just would
3:56:31proceed get some water over there and I
3:56:35have some water I'm sorry
3:56:37um this case would normally proceed to a
3:56:39proof ethernet presumption rate during
3:56:42um is that what you want to set at this
3:56:43one time judge we're actually asking for
3:56:45a review hearing to be set in 21 to 30
3:56:49days Mr Allen has let us know that it's
3:56:51unlikely that we'll receive any
3:56:53Discovery in this case
3:56:55um until 21 days from now
3:56:58um and so as a result
3:57:00we are not in a position where we can
3:57:02set the case for preliminary hearing
3:57:04improve evident presumption great
3:57:05hearing we also don't have access to the
3:57:07arrest warrant affidavit I'm going to
3:57:09deal with that one right and so we have
3:57:11no idea we are not in a position where
3:57:13we can tell the judge
3:57:16what's going on
3:57:19judge uh this case spanned the
3:57:22investigative portion of this case it
3:57:23still actually is ongoing to one degree
3:57:25but um it expands roughly five weeks
3:57:28before the arrest affidavit was that um
3:57:31given to a judge I have seen an ECM yes
3:57:34and so the are the discovery in this
3:57:37case is very voluminous we're over a
3:57:39thousand Pages already based on what
3:57:40I've been told from the Sheriff's Office
3:57:42and the FBI there is
3:57:44um tons of video evidence electronic
3:57:47data from cell phones and that kind of
3:57:49thing
3:57:50um so we are working they're working on
3:57:52it now and we have advised them of what
3:57:54that 21 days looks like as far as when
3:57:56we need to turn over Discovery to
3:57:58defense
3:57:59um I just know that because of the just
3:58:01the sheer volume of those things I don't
3:58:03even have the reports yet
3:58:05computer
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4:13:58hello everyone
4:14:02I'm like where's the music coming from
4:14:04my phone
4:14:06okay I'm back and I've got a banner on
4:14:10my head hold on
4:14:12hold on one second just make sure this
4:14:14is right
4:14:16okay
4:14:18can you all hear me
4:14:22hope so
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4:14:36I got it in honor of Ganon it's a
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4:17:43okay I think I'm back now
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4:21:49can you hear me can you hear me testing
4:21:51testing check checks out now we know
4:21:54what we do after lunch break we sound
4:21:56chick sound chick chick
4:22:00oh my word
4:22:04I can read lips
4:22:09I think we're good now
4:22:13there we go pernil said there we go
4:22:18and there's nothing I can do about these
4:22:20problems literally nothing you guys
4:22:25I try
4:22:27anyway so let me put this uh background
4:22:29on a blue one so we get ready okay it
4:22:32should all be good if it isn't now what
4:22:33was I saying before did you hear me at
4:22:35all before
4:22:37I got this blue necklace okay
4:22:40in honor of Ganon let's move my hair out
4:22:43the way
4:22:45it's a blue heart
4:22:48and I just think it's very nice look at
4:22:50it look at it it just arrived today
4:22:52okay
4:22:54keep it real soon I can read lips too
4:22:56the Grizzlies on it yeah
4:22:58yeah I can read lips I I went deaf in
4:23:00school for two years my parents thought
4:23:02I had selective hearing but I actually
4:23:03went deaf
4:23:04So eventually I had ear operations
4:23:07um so I could literally read lips yep
4:23:12yes Maurice is like I think Canon is
4:23:15playing with his son control right just
4:23:17when I showed that necklace
4:23:19yeah I rebooted and everything it's all
4:23:21good
4:23:22just take the timer off
4:23:24okay so let's see
4:23:29okay so we back now everyone we have got
4:23:32four minutes left until Court
4:23:36um so it should be here and what we have
4:23:37left is
4:23:40three hours and 45 minutes
4:23:43of latisha's video
4:23:46um
4:23:49okay and to those of you who stayed
4:23:52throughout the stream damn thank you so
4:23:53much if you're watching from work
4:23:55good job good job make sure you like uh
4:23:59like the stream and share it so others
4:24:01also know where we are
4:24:05some people are behind in the Stream
4:24:06right because you're saying no sound
4:24:07we're all good
4:24:08okay
4:24:10back in the saddle says Aaron yes
4:24:13perennial exactly dieter's like oh here
4:24:15we go again if there's anyone's um
4:24:17stickers and things I missed during the
4:24:19break I'm so sorry about that I'll have
4:24:20to go check actually
4:24:22thank you so much I really appreciate it
4:24:25so where we left off last was
4:24:28Leticia explaining what happened on
4:24:30Monday
4:24:30and we're at the point where the last
4:24:32thing I wrote down was that she said
4:24:34there was
4:24:35Blood on the walls and
4:24:37Blood on the sheets
4:24:39that's scary
4:24:41yes
4:24:43yes I got the the blue heart necklace to
4:24:45on again yes I did
4:24:49thank you Jill
4:24:52you know what also thought of in the
4:24:54break oh my word you know how in this
4:24:56interrogation video Leticia says
4:25:00um
4:25:01she she calls herself t-shirt because
4:25:03she doesn't like her name
4:25:05you know and then she also talks about
4:25:06um L whose first name is Eugene he
4:25:09doesn't like his name remember that
4:25:11well if she had if she really had
4:25:14dissociative identity disorder you
4:25:16wouldn't just say oh I don't like my
4:25:17name so I've just got like another name
4:25:19it wouldn't be like that at all
4:25:21so they're already she's debunking her
4:25:24own
4:25:26defense's diagnosis
4:25:28Yvonne Robinson thank you so much uh
4:25:31just thank you dear young lady for your
4:25:33beautiful compassion one old lady who
4:25:35has renewed faith in the compassionate
4:25:37young you are amazing and after a
4:25:40lifelong interest in True Crime feel
4:25:42like I've come home that's so nice thank
4:25:43you so much Yvonne
4:25:45thank you
4:25:47okay
4:25:51yes okay so you all refreshed everyone
4:25:53good
4:25:56sure
4:26:01thank you okay I can't believe they all
4:26:03thought they'll be back already
4:26:04sometimes they catch us off guard
4:26:05they're like a minute or two early they
4:26:07said they'll be back at 120 Colorado
4:26:08time it is now 118 Colorado time
4:26:12yes we gotta did you hear her she said
4:26:13you know she said yada yada yada and
4:26:15then here and there she said she's got
4:26:18also got another variation of that um
4:26:20and Connie says Burns don't bleed that
4:26:23much I know right mhm
4:26:27yes that was such a sweet message thank
4:26:29you Yvonne
4:26:31okay let me make sure I've got
4:26:33everything ready here
4:26:37oh boy
4:26:39is this still working
4:26:42yes okay
4:26:45the judge will be there
4:26:49okay good job
4:26:51I'm just checking everything
4:27:04and this will be the teacher okay good
4:27:07so as soon as we're ready we're good to
4:27:09go again
4:27:15sorry just setting this up quickly for
4:27:16you
4:27:18like that
4:27:31we'll wait for the screen uh welcome to
4:27:33membership Pauline Young
4:27:36pulling tears
4:27:38um yo you became a member welcome
4:27:40Stefan says
4:27:43[Music]
4:27:45I know koopy duck says flight attendant
4:27:47she's still telling the police is like
4:27:48still and she's saying she'd get so many
4:27:50offers no
4:27:55okay we've got a minute actually it
4:27:57should be now they should be back now
4:27:59honestly
4:28:01so let me take this off sorry
4:28:10yes thank you keep it real everyone like
4:28:12share and let's get back into I can't
4:28:14wait like let's start let's go
4:28:25mm-hmm
4:28:30[Music]
4:28:36Rebecca says get your paracetamol ready
4:28:38we will all have a headache I think of
4:28:40this I hope not but we might all be very
4:28:43very tired yes Stefan's is flight
4:28:46attendant at SpaceX yeah like chassis
4:28:48chassis boy if you have never heard of
4:28:49the chandel holders in case check out
4:28:51that playlist oh my word okay they're
4:28:53coming back to court
4:28:55I could hear the sound
4:28:58I hear the judge
4:29:01it looks like
4:29:03yes
4:29:05so there's not going to be another good
4:29:06except me
4:29:09if they will
4:29:16all right
4:29:17we're called 20
4:29:20cr1358 people versus Leticia stock
4:29:22record should reflect the jury's not
4:29:23present in the courtroom is there
4:29:25anything you need to pick up outside the
4:29:27presence of the jury at this point in
4:29:28time prosecution
4:29:30no sir okay
4:29:34foreign
4:30:15foreign
4:31:10cr1358 people versus Leticia stock
4:31:12record should reflect the jury
4:31:15when we took our break we were in the
4:31:17midst of a video I think we're going to
4:31:18start it right at that San Antonio
4:31:20prosecution
4:31:36foreign
4:31:47I should have like made this mistake so
4:31:50I drive is it okay so where's the Ranch
4:31:53at the end of Worcester Ranch is a bunch
4:31:55of
4:31:55new builds like construction things like
4:31:59that
4:31:59I drive through the new build
4:32:03I always wanted to be like hey look the
4:32:05ear knows how to you know fix it because
4:32:07if I get online and start calling people
4:32:08then they'll be like making appointment
4:32:09I figured I might find somebody that you
4:32:12know to do like a little side job and
4:32:14come and help us fix the when I say
4:32:16carpet I'm talking about fix the living
4:32:18room
4:32:18the the thought that I had cut out or
4:32:21whatever so I did I pulled up
4:32:24um on the back part there are some new
4:32:26houses being built and there were some
4:32:28like Hispanic and I'm not saying that to
4:32:29be like discriminatory they were
4:32:30Hispanic people that were out there and
4:32:32I was like hey do you know where you can
4:32:33get the car the carpet that is in the
4:32:35Larson Ranch model home I told him the
4:32:37model home which was the same home that
4:32:39we had I mean I don't know if it's the
4:32:40model home but I gave him the name
4:32:41because I asked like I looked online for
4:32:44the company for the name I said it's in
4:32:46there see that everybody has that same
4:32:47carpet yeah
4:32:49so we got a roll of the car like a roll
4:32:52of the carpet where'd you get set from
4:32:54I we got it from the guy on the scene
4:32:57like I saved out of theme but but the
4:32:59construction area so we got the carpet
4:33:01from the guy in the construction area
4:33:03well I didn't get it then he said he was
4:33:05going to bring it to me so I gave him
4:33:06the address and this is where I messed
4:33:08up I gave him and this is why I couldn't
4:33:10tell you this for an hour I gave him our
4:33:12code to get in because he was going to
4:33:14go fix it and I just assumed working in
4:33:17the house
4:33:19he was gonna be okay you know whatever
4:33:22and
4:33:23me and Gannon left I just said hey did
4:33:26you give him the garage door code yeah
4:33:28and what about the alarm
4:33:30well if you go in through say like
4:33:32you're walking in through our house
4:33:34there's no sister so we always keep it
4:33:37on on our alarm and you can walk in
4:33:39through the garage and alarm will never
4:33:40sit off all right and the reason for
4:33:43that is like there's no door like
4:33:45there's nothing that tows that door that
4:33:47it's open because then so you don't have
4:33:49a sensor there right right so we called
4:33:52me and the kids come in every day in the
4:33:55garage and never have to like set you
4:33:57know reset anything like that okay um so
4:34:01me again to go on I don't remember
4:34:02exactly where we went first I know we
4:34:04wrote it a little bit because I was
4:34:05looking for different places
4:34:08like different key outfits because
4:34:10sometimes they get like Ross but Petco
4:34:12has some really good deals going on
4:34:14right now so I was like I'm a great
4:34:15Petco Deanna was like at that point it
4:34:17was like he wanted to lay down because
4:34:19his throne occurring he wasn't
4:34:21complaining about like any like pain on
4:34:24his arms or anything like that he just
4:34:25said you want to lay down because it's
4:34:27not certain so we were in Albert's truck
4:34:29so we lay down I mean he lays down in
4:34:31the back of his truck
4:34:33um so he's just laying down whatever I
4:34:35went to Petco I can't remember if I went
4:34:36in the store beside Petco I don't I know
4:34:38we went some places around town just
4:34:40different uh location systems you go to
4:34:42I know we did Petco I know I went to a
4:34:45gas station to get gas which Petco did
4:34:47you go to the one at um is it Nevada in
4:34:52something
4:34:56that's the area I basically was in for I
4:35:00wasn't gone that long for most most of
4:35:01the time frame that was the the area
4:35:04that I was in and then I made the wrong
4:35:06when you're coming back and it tells you
4:35:08go this way this way I made the wrong
4:35:10exit like I got in the wrong one so I
4:35:12had I went back I guess that would be I
4:35:14went back I went North a little bit
4:35:17before I turned around to come back
4:35:18because I I made the wrong with
4:35:20um so I get back and I can't did we go
4:35:23eat at that time
4:35:25look I didn't get anything to eat maybe
4:35:26I just got Starbucks I could look at my
4:35:28credit card or something like that would
4:35:29be if you if you want to look at things
4:35:33and eventually yeah that would be
4:35:35helpful okay so um
4:35:38oh cool I remember what happened then I
4:35:41realized I had to go back to pit code
4:35:42that's why we turned around and came
4:35:44back because I started off I bought two
4:35:46outfits reading one or two and then I
4:35:48came back in Petco
4:35:50and I got the rest of the outfits that
4:35:53were on there because I was like oh I'll
4:35:54go two more for this price so I did go
4:35:56back to Petco twice
4:35:58um so I'm sure in between did you guys
4:36:01did you go
4:36:03um let's see we live at 10 something you
4:36:05know it's like a 30 minute drive from
4:36:07lorson Ranch
4:36:09so if I got there got gas got Starbucks
4:36:12I'm a media I was there at 11 ish I
4:36:15don't want a big time because so you go
4:36:17to Petco the first time and then how
4:36:18long in between the first visit and the
4:36:21second visit oh
4:36:27can I give you that like looking up a
4:36:29guesstimate or or maybe an hour maybe an
4:36:32hour
4:36:34um
4:36:36you ever like any any tracker apps or
4:36:38anything on your phone because I know
4:36:40like for me I have that like 360. and
4:36:42it'll tell me
4:36:44it'll tell me you know yeah my short
4:36:47trips are you don't even tell me if I
4:36:49walked somewhere it's freaking awesome
4:36:51okay I just get tracked by Google
4:36:54Android phones though it just tells me
4:36:56my my family likes to know where I'm at
4:36:59so yeah to Harley because
4:37:03um
4:37:04you know it was only shouting in her
4:37:06father was killed so it's always like
4:37:09like she and I and like she was like
4:37:11really all ahead and check out renewed
4:37:13or whatever so um
4:37:14I kind of like do it maybe a little over
4:37:18the board of all Kingdom
4:37:21because I right now like
4:37:24all right let's see
4:37:26if you have the one with the
4:37:27subscription I'm like trying to figure
4:37:29out if I should get better I don't she
4:37:31always says something about purchasing
4:37:32it and she said it would tell us
4:37:35yeah and she was saying that um
4:37:39it was kind of like how the Apple watch
4:37:41would do if you had a crash detection of
4:37:43alert authorities let's say yeah okay
4:37:45this is I don't know if this is like a
4:37:47service thing but
4:37:49it's uh
4:37:55um I would say I'm like I would say
4:37:57hours because I did
4:38:00I'm a very interested person when it
4:38:02comes to like shopping
4:38:04so I had to go back and make my note I
4:38:06can leave right here but it's loading I
4:38:09think maybe can I see it maybe it'll
4:38:10maybe it'll give me better research
4:38:16yeah oh shoot
4:38:19you have a password or something
4:38:22I can put it in I'm not fitting my
4:38:24fingers okay
4:38:27sometimes this corner if you hold it up
4:38:29high it'll
4:38:32because I know people watch it I want to
4:38:34have my passcode band and they'll know
4:38:35our code for a lot of stuff
4:38:37all right here we go is it working
4:38:40no oh that corner is like typically the
4:38:43Sweet Corner hold it up here yeah
4:38:46we can set it down here
4:38:49let's see if it keeps going okay
4:38:52um okay so you make the second trip to
4:38:55go back and buy more outfits and then
4:38:58um
4:38:59what
4:39:01where do you go from there is Dan is Gan
4:39:05and still telling you that he wants to
4:39:06like lay down how's he doing
4:39:09um
4:39:10there you go yeah I told you this is a
4:39:13Sweet Corner it says purchase could not
4:39:15be completed I didn't purchased anything
4:39:18the purchase cannot be completed what
4:39:21does that mean
4:39:21I have no idea I've never had that pop
4:39:24open before the purchase please try
4:39:26again later
4:39:28uh well I mean we tried I guess they
4:39:31said it's two accident signal so we
4:39:35membership includes two
4:39:37how long have you guys had that up
4:39:40oh God
4:39:42our driving for a long time okay yeah
4:39:47yeah maybe a long time because I want to
4:39:49say like I don't I just never had me do
4:39:51a purchase he just said
4:39:57and then he asked me to put anything or
4:40:00purchased enough
4:40:08you don't need anything I didn't hit
4:40:10anything
4:40:12okay
4:40:13so so you go back to to Petco the second
4:40:17time does Gannon these places sorry I
4:40:20was gonna say it says crash detection
4:40:21disabled does that mean I don't have the
4:40:24yours looks different than mine does
4:40:29um
4:40:30and you don't have a subscription
4:40:33like it gives me but it sends me all the
4:40:35alerts like it says like Carly arrived
4:40:37home well yeah I mean I get those too if
4:40:40you have certain places that like home
4:40:43yeah well I get the work at home but
4:40:45it'll say completed of Four Mile Drive
4:40:47completed uh you know what I'm saying
4:40:49like I get I think we might have
4:40:51different versions we're going into
4:40:52Android so anyway this neither here nor
4:40:55there so when you and Gannon are out
4:40:57running around to these places and you
4:41:00know getting your gas and your coffee
4:41:01and like Petco a couple times and did he
4:41:05go into the okay first with you yeah but
4:41:08I parked and I know you're gonna see
4:41:10this so I'm going to say that I parked
4:41:11on the front and like I don't know if
4:41:12you could you probably if you see the
4:41:14Petco
4:41:15um
4:41:16hammers I'm in this can I show you sure
4:41:18I'm in the store a lot of times walking
4:41:20back to the front door doing this and my
4:41:23point of doing that is because I was
4:41:25making sure that I didn't see him like
4:41:27you know if you needed something or like
4:41:29eating out or whatever and we he stays
4:41:32in the car like I really can stay in the
4:41:33car all the time with like if like Lane
4:41:35is in the car and he'll be like it's
4:41:36okay stay here sit here buddy we'll be
4:41:38right back
4:41:39to anything of it because he had to
4:41:41switch with him and he was playing a
4:41:43switch do you know what store you were
4:41:44in yeah okay so like if you needed your
4:41:47picture else but and I and I and I did
4:41:49keep walking to the doors with overtime
4:41:51and I'm pretty sure I did it on the
4:41:53second visit to walking back to the door
4:41:56just to make sure you know I could be I
4:41:58was like oh you know sure I need to do
4:42:01whatever sure
4:42:02um so yeah you can see that on there
4:42:05so why do you need to know like what I
4:42:07did in there so you're just in there
4:42:09shopping and it wasn't even a long shot
4:42:11like like it wasn't and then you come
4:42:13then you come back out and then where do
4:42:15you go
4:42:16um so I don't I know we were right in
4:42:18that area like different places but I
4:42:20don't think I've stopped anywhere else
4:42:21specific to get anything other than
4:42:23Starbucks I made a wrong turn and then
4:42:26uh two times at Petco and I was looking
4:42:30for my rivals but after the second time
4:42:32at Petco did you go anywhere I think
4:42:34after that pick it was when we started
4:42:35to head home okay so you go home and I
4:42:38wanted to I want to give you like an
4:42:39accurate of that if I pulled this up
4:42:41because I I don't I feel like right
4:42:42after Pickers we went home I don't I
4:42:44don't want to try and bring it up yeah I
4:42:46don't want you to think that I missed a
4:42:48stop or something
4:42:50and I will tell you on the way
4:42:55on the way there
4:42:58we did stop and get gas somewhere
4:43:00I can't remember if it was on the way
4:43:02their way home do you remember what
4:43:04station
4:43:057-eleven here
4:43:09if you gotta go I hate to do this yeah I
4:43:12need to I need to run out I'm gonna I'm
4:43:14gonna come back okay okay
4:43:16um it shouldn't take me very long
4:43:17hopefully
4:43:18um but please continue talking with
4:43:21Detective Houston and then whenever I
4:43:23get done with that I'm gonna come back
4:43:24in and we'll we'll get back on again
4:43:26yeah I'm trying to pull this up two
4:43:28units
4:43:29a little
4:43:34sure
4:43:36the the USAF is being slow too
4:43:39into my phone I don't and you can try
4:43:42that corner again it might it the floor
4:43:45is a little weird
4:43:51so we're I'll see you guys left Petco
4:43:58um so did you buy something there that
4:43:59time or
4:44:01the second time yes okay okay and I know
4:44:04she kept asking me about what was gonna
4:44:06do and go out with you whatever blah
4:44:08blah blah blah so I'm gonna say this
4:44:10about getting bad okay so everyone has
4:44:13been yeah like about this whole thing
4:44:15about camera footage and this happened
4:44:18because we didn't see this or didn't see
4:44:20this so
4:44:21I'm very sorry what do you mean everyone
4:44:24so like my whole family is being
4:44:27harassed my mom is being threatened to
4:44:30be killed my daughter is being stopped
4:44:32uh I fight with me allowed to get here
4:44:35because I had to put some safety
4:44:36measures in for her own well-being okay
4:44:39and uh my family from back home is being
4:44:43threatened uh people are staying there
4:44:45sending people after them
4:44:48um okay all I think so you know there's
4:44:50always a world of people making uh
4:44:54situations and saying let's be a good
4:44:57person but then threaten someone else
4:44:58okay so being aware of that that that's
4:45:01what that's what was going on so in
4:45:03between all that and all these people
4:45:05were sending me like messages
4:45:08I didn't respond to any of them during
4:45:11all that there was something along the
4:45:12lines of someone checked uh neighbors
4:45:16two doors down or something camera
4:45:18footage and never saw anyone do this or
4:45:21that like I don't know like specifics
4:45:23but my point behind telling you that is
4:45:26if if this is what you guys and I'm not
4:45:28saying this is what your base is stuck
4:45:30on if this is what your basis of phone
4:45:32is like in the same day and age timeline
4:45:34security things like that
4:45:37you will see on somebody's security
4:45:39Shannon and I run to the car at 10 time
4:45:42that morning and we returning that to
4:45:44something
4:45:44so he I remember specifically in the
4:45:47truck I pulled it right in front of the
4:45:49ring so and like wearing yeah so we
4:45:52don't have a subscription okay according
4:45:53to these neighbors who can see y'all all
4:45:55the way to the truck every day okay they
4:45:57should be able to show you during those
4:45:59time frames that we run in
4:46:02we've run out we run second or whatever
4:46:05okay and then you leave around 10
4:46:07something and then you get back around
4:46:09two something I feel like it was like
4:46:10335 to 225 to something okay because I
4:46:14knew I had to be back in time to do a
4:46:16couple days and then I knew Lane would
4:46:18be coming there I knew probably would be
4:46:19getting off work yeah yeah so that was
4:46:22the whole thing so going on from there
4:46:26Shannon goes inside I think first I
4:46:29don't want to misquote myself I'm pretty
4:46:30sure he ran it first and I I had the bag
4:46:32for Petco
4:46:34okay
4:46:47he goes in through the garage I go in
4:46:50I'm getting ready to put up things stuff
4:46:51like that
4:46:53this is where it got it I I made a
4:46:56mistake okay
4:47:00so
4:47:02as we got inside I heard something but I
4:47:05didn't think anything about it because I
4:47:07thought you know maybe
4:47:09maybe Daniel was like doing something
4:47:10maybe we were like doing whatever
4:47:16I think I was in there
4:47:18and I gave him the code
4:47:20the guy from the yeah it's all my fault
4:47:23I gave him a code to fix the carpet
4:47:29and here comes the stories
4:47:37you went inside
4:47:39I noticed when I had like walked in and
4:47:41thought I saw a lot for
4:47:44we have like a little bookshelf uh
4:47:46thingy I keep my shades in there too but
4:47:49we also have like our guns and stuff I I
4:47:51saw it was open but in my mind I thought
4:47:53maybe I left my shades or whatever do
4:47:56you like sunglasses yes okay so I didn't
4:47:58think anything of it when I heard noise
4:48:00and I just started walking downstairs
4:48:01but I didn't walk downstairs with like a
4:48:03gun or anything like that so I started
4:48:05walking downstairs and then when I
4:48:06walked downstairs I hear something again
4:48:09well at that point in time Daniel was on
4:48:11the sofa and I saw him and I heard them
4:48:13again and I walked on around to where
4:48:15the so gannon's room is here and there's
4:48:18a storage all of it here okay and I
4:48:20heard something and so I walked through
4:48:21the storage closet to open the storage
4:48:23closet and when I do it she was standing
4:48:26in there he had him go in the storage
4:48:28closet okay
4:48:40so I mean he was like hard like on the
4:48:43ground
4:48:44trying to spray me and I just
4:48:50and like
4:48:53from there on was like an important
4:48:56because I was trying so hard because
4:48:58Shannon had a table in his room and I
4:49:00like I went back and hit my head on it
4:49:06and like try to like you know be helpful
4:49:09do something whatever and from there it
4:49:12was kind of like a blur everything else
4:49:14that was going on because I was just
4:49:15like crying
4:49:17freaking out and
4:49:20I don't know what
4:49:22I really don't know
4:49:25okay I don't
4:49:27and I'm just like
4:49:30in the moment thinking
4:49:33memories of like wow you know like the
4:49:35thing was open you had to go and I I
4:49:38didn't remember what happened from there
4:49:39and so I kind of like blacked out just a
4:49:42little bit and and so all these things
4:49:44are going into your mind is I'm blacked
4:49:45out
4:49:46I don't know if like I know he was like
4:49:49when Vanna was like trying to get on him
4:49:50I know he was like moving in and you
4:49:53know like and it was just all like it's
4:49:56so like a cycle to me and so I'm like
4:49:59out of it for a little bit just for a
4:50:01little bit and then
4:50:03from when the time I woke up they woke
4:50:06up but like I kind of like that a little
4:50:07bit and I I immediately like freaked out
4:50:09was like
4:50:10I could I was like I could I couldn't
4:50:13find Gannon so like the guy was still in
4:50:15the House Lena was on the way I didn't
4:50:17know where Dana was at because I was
4:50:19calling for Ganon I thought he was
4:50:21hiding like I I legit thought he was
4:50:23hiding and like maybe the other closet
4:50:25that was on the other side the other you
4:50:28know whatever I thought he was fighting
4:50:30I was so scared so I run up the stairs
4:50:32because I hear
4:50:34you know I know it's like almost time
4:50:35for Elena and I hear that the Ring app
4:50:38like like alerts for someone at the
4:50:41front door but it could have been just
4:50:42like like Amazon or something driving
4:50:44back because there was nobody at the
4:50:45front door and then I run back
4:50:47downstairs because in my mind I was like
4:50:49thinking where is Ganon and I didn't
4:50:51want to leave and like run outside and
4:50:54scream and you know go crazy because I
4:50:56did not know where he was at at the time
4:50:58and everybody says to me you know like
4:51:00because I told
4:51:02I've written him about it and they're
4:51:04like why didn't you like run to go help
4:51:07and I
4:51:08I didn't want to leave to go get help
4:51:09and I did I was terrified because she
4:51:11was I know Albert would kill me because
4:51:13Dana was still in there so then when I
4:51:15get downstairs he has he has the gun and
4:51:18he has a scanning and I'm sitting there
4:51:20like freaking out like what am I doing
4:51:24Brianna does make it through the door at
4:51:26this time and then so I go upstairs
4:51:29because I I know that he was like don't
4:51:32say anything because I didn't know if
4:51:33someone thought like he was a cop or you
4:51:35know someone heard something or I didn't
4:51:37know anything so my thought about this
4:51:39was if I say anything again I'm down
4:51:41here
4:51:42you know I I need to just be as cool as
4:51:45possible at like because we order things
4:51:46from Amazon like all the time you know
4:51:49books and things like that so it was
4:51:51Lena so the reason I sent Lena away was
4:51:54because I wanted her to be safe too so I
4:51:57said Elena on a mission to go get like
4:51:58the mail it never gets to know
4:52:01nothing like that I sent her on a
4:52:03mission to go get the mail okay and so I
4:52:06just started making up random things for
4:52:07Elena to go do and I looked at Lena and
4:52:10I said she was standing there I was like
4:52:12just stay gone for a little while
4:52:13because I didn't want her coming back
4:52:15and then that you know like
4:52:17in the situation as we were too so like
4:52:20in my mind I think if I say anything if
4:52:22I do anything I I just didn't know what
4:52:25to do I was in complete panics so I go
4:52:27right downstairs again
4:52:28and I'm like pleading and like talking
4:52:30and like all these things going on
4:52:33like just back and forth with him and
4:52:35why are you doing this why did you heard
4:52:37us why are you doing these things and
4:52:40then it just started being like a like a
4:52:42hosted wind puzzle like back and forth I
4:52:44I don't even remember how it kept going
4:52:46for you know like maybe I say five or
4:52:49ten minutes so I don't know if it was
4:52:50that long and then he was like on top of
4:52:52me again
4:52:54kind of light out
4:52:55hit my head again
4:52:58I was on the table that was inside like
4:53:01in between the red there's a Red Roof
4:53:02that was in there okay and he was trying
4:53:05to do it again and I was just like lose
4:53:07it lose in my mind like completely like
4:53:11Albert
4:53:13Albert sister was was raped and so in my
4:53:18mind I kept thinking Albert's gonna be
4:53:20like like I'm nothing and I shouldn't
4:53:22have been thinking about that I should
4:53:24have been but but I was and that was all
4:53:26I could keep thinking about you know
4:53:28like
4:53:32all these emotions are running through
4:53:35there and it was like he asked me to
4:53:38give him a suitcase and I gave him a
4:53:40brown
4:53:41she hit me on the head again like right
4:53:44here
4:53:48okay and so then you did that and then I
4:53:51wiped out again
4:53:54and then I don't know what happened
4:53:56I really don't I don't know I just know
4:53:59that
4:54:01I did lie I did when they came I did say
4:54:06begin to live whatever you know that
4:54:10maybe we never did he never left
4:54:13it's a play area I just didn't know what
4:54:15to do and I painted the moment that I
4:54:17didn't want
4:54:25and I just want you know that's the only
4:54:26reason that I that I made of the LIE is
4:54:29because I knew that
4:54:31I didn't want to face the consequences
4:54:33of you know trying to explain to him all
4:54:36that was going on because he was saying
4:54:37to me you're trying to make this about
4:54:39you
4:54:40you know this is not about you and I
4:54:42knew all those things because I've lived
4:54:44in it I still I panicked and I just told
4:54:46a story and I was going to try to think
4:54:48of like you know saying I'm sorry that
4:54:50it might have delayed you know like
4:54:52looking for again if I do not know where
4:54:55a gaming was I I do not know I do not
4:54:58know his his whereabouts from that point
4:55:00on but it was still in the same time
4:55:03frame that I gave you guys so that
4:55:05wasn't there was no contradictory to
4:55:07that same time frame because it still
4:55:09was about four o'clock it took over the
4:55:11time frame with me what was the time
4:55:13frame it had to be around like four okay
4:55:17because Harley gets off at 4 30. okay
4:55:20and so Harley had just gotten home or no
4:55:24was on her way home or something and and
4:55:27my phone was like alerting I knew Holly
4:55:29was on her way home and I was gonna tell
4:55:31Harley when she got there I was gonna be
4:55:33like look this is what happened we need
4:55:36to get help we need to call 9-1-1 and
4:55:37all I kept thinking about was I
4:55:40it's gonna be my fault because I gave
4:55:43them I gave him
4:55:46the post he brought the carpet
4:55:48he did all that okay and I did he fixed
4:55:51it I just said no I had already cut it
4:55:54he brought the big roll of carpet it's
4:55:56at the house yeah okay and where's that
4:56:00at the house it's in uh the back storage
4:56:03room
4:56:04okay is that the one that he was hiding
4:56:06in huh is that the storage room that he
4:56:08was in yeah whenever you went down there
4:56:10yes I put I put the carpet back in the
4:56:13storage room the reason I put the carpet
4:56:15back in there because it was laying like
4:56:16in the like
4:56:17so the third one is right here it had
4:56:19fallen over at some point when all this
4:56:21was going on I put and I picked it up to
4:56:24put it back
4:56:25like on the thing I wrote it up oh and
4:56:28then all the way vote out but it was
4:56:29like somewhat rolled out through the
4:56:31promotion and I wrote it back up and put
4:56:33it open inside okay
4:56:35okay
4:56:37um
4:56:38are you doing okay yeah okay
4:56:41um so the time frame is that
4:56:45four o'clock is whenever I'd only tell
4:56:48you exactly four I don't like saying
4:56:50that because the horse talk with
4:56:51whatever
4:56:52we can say about okay okay okay and then
4:56:55what happened after that so did anybody
4:56:59come home or Elaine is still out and
4:57:01about Harley's home
4:57:03uh comes home or whatever I'm paced in
4:57:05the house like trying to think of a plan
4:57:08of like what do I do and I should have
4:57:10like immediately like on the phone you
4:57:14know whatever but all I kept thinking
4:57:16about was
4:57:18it's not my fault it's my fault because
4:57:20I was going to say to me
4:57:22you gave some stranger access to our
4:57:25home you know this is all of you and in
4:57:28my mind I thought I could fix it like in
4:57:30my mind I thought I could fix this I and
4:57:33I don't know why I thought that that was
4:57:35a horrible decision-making problem but
4:57:36also was in a very emotional state that
4:57:40in normal situations people can say oh
4:57:42they won't I will call I would do this I
4:57:44would do this but if you're not in a
4:57:46situation everybody handles things
4:57:48differently sure and I was making an
4:57:50irrational decision in a panic situation
4:57:53where I should have immediately been an
4:57:55educator be in all these things it
4:57:58should have been one of those things
4:57:58where it was immediate know how to
4:58:00answer it and you might think this
4:58:02girl's gonna be one of your flight
4:58:03attendance she's got to be able to think
4:58:05that
4:58:07it was not that easy in the moment
4:58:09because my my mind was in so many
4:58:11directions that I could fix it I sure I
4:58:13literally thought I was going to fix it
4:58:15sure and and that was where it went from
4:58:17there so I was going to tell Harley I
4:58:19didn't so Harley I hey stay safe around
4:58:22the situation and was thinking okay if
4:58:25if I don't have any any kind of like
4:58:28information like if I don't have a plan
4:58:30in my in my brain by a certain time
4:58:32that's what I'm gonna call
4:58:34okay and so that's how so you had like
4:58:37predetermined a time that you were going
4:58:40to call if you hadn't figured anything
4:58:41you need to come up with a specific time
4:58:43but in my brain I kept saying okay I got
4:58:44to do I got to act soon but I knew that
4:58:48you know I'm like thinking by 6 6 30
4:58:51like I need to make a great a good
4:58:54decision because
4:58:56what am I going to tell the girls
4:58:57because they're gonna be like
4:58:59you know like where's Gannon I don't
4:59:01know like we because we were gonna all
4:59:03go eat sushi so that was where that time
4:59:06frame okay would have been like what am
4:59:08I supposed to do go get in the car and
4:59:09be like
4:59:10Dan is like always this I couldn't keep
4:59:12going on and on with the irrational
4:59:13decision of not calling 9-1-1 okay and
4:59:16and I had to stop the musician so what
4:59:18happened so tell me what what happened
4:59:21as it went on so I called 9-1-1 okay and
4:59:24they said hey sorry you know this is not
4:59:27an emergency you have to call this other
4:59:29line okay so I called the other line and
4:59:31it was a four hour wait for them to get
4:59:33there okay so four hours later they came
4:59:35I'm still in the Panic set I'm like
4:59:37these people are nothing I say is going
4:59:40to solve this situation so I did say
4:59:42that channel is at this time again I've
4:59:45admitted it's a very rational decision
4:59:46because it could have been more helpful
4:59:48to be honest and say this is the
4:59:51description here's to be looking for
4:59:52instead of like the situation being like
4:59:56he was gone and that was I should have
4:59:59done that because
5:00:00I panic okay
5:00:02you know and so from then on that's when
5:00:06you you guys came
5:00:08um they came through asked me questions
5:00:09they searched the house
5:00:12um every room flashlight you know
5:00:14whatever whatever they went outside in
5:00:16the garage uh they searched my car blah
5:00:20blah blah okay and was Harley there at
5:00:22this time uh when they did the searches
5:00:24uh yeah okay yeah yeah yeah because she
5:00:27had this was you it took like four hours
5:00:29uh so it was like later in the night
5:00:31that this had happened okay so when you
5:00:33say they searched your car which card
5:00:35did they searched like the car my car
5:00:36like the black car the black car yeah
5:00:38okay yeah okay yeah like so there was a
5:00:41deputy there was like six or seven and
5:00:43then one of those deputies that
5:00:44responded to the scene uh he came around
5:00:47with a flashlight and he like searched
5:00:50like like everything up and down up and
5:00:52downs every room would ask me questions
5:00:54like
5:00:55well the quality here will this be here
5:00:57you know like would this be here would
5:00:59this be here
5:01:01and I put everything back in order
5:01:05Minecraft like I I told you I moved
5:01:07because there you know I I fixed the
5:01:10situation because I was
5:01:12I was being stupid and I I should have I
5:01:15should have told them what had really
5:01:16had okay and so he went through
5:01:18everything he went through the outside
5:01:20he went through the car and he went
5:01:22through the patrol she went through
5:01:23everything but he actually got into the
5:01:25car he he wanted my ID okay and he then
5:01:28he asked me did he said do you mind if I
5:01:30look around either in the garage he got
5:01:33he opened my car in fact he left my car
5:01:35to open because the next morning the
5:01:37back door was open oh really yeah so he
5:01:40he went in the car dealers I mean I'm
5:01:42sure you guys have a record of who who
5:01:44was in there but he opened the car
5:01:45opened up this opened up the truck he'd
5:01:48look through the bags and that were in
5:01:49the truck he looked over everything in
5:01:51the garage with the bags whatever were
5:01:53here came back in he did the same thing
5:01:54and you know like in different parts so
5:01:57it's trying to be like really thorough
5:01:58yeah like trying to be really really
5:02:00thorough he was going through every
5:02:01parts of the house okay
5:02:05there was nothing missing because I put
5:02:08I did take the gun that he had I did put
5:02:11the gun back
5:02:12okay
5:02:13sounds okay
5:02:16so um so is was there anything else that
5:02:20happened on Monday like did you talk to
5:02:21Harley about it or
5:02:24or about about what I told you
5:02:27no I told them that the first like the
5:02:31first situation like what you told are
5:02:33just about right right right that um and
5:02:35that was that
5:02:36again and went to go play at a friend's
5:02:39house right and do you remember the
5:02:40friend's house name I never gave anyone
5:02:43a name or anything at all
5:02:46and also too like
5:02:49I didn't want to leave out any like key
5:02:51points or whatever sure I had my
5:02:53headphones on because when I was like
5:02:56upstairs when it all started I had my
5:02:58headphones on so my headphones were
5:03:00still on through the whole thing so
5:03:02that's why if you ask me like where like
5:03:05did you hear any noises did you hear
5:03:07anyone leaving did your alarm go back
5:03:09off I had my headphones I had my
5:03:11headphones still on they were still on
5:03:13my head when you came inside the house
5:03:15yes okay yeah like I have my headphones
5:03:18still on when I came inside that like no
5:03:19not coming in house with them but like
5:03:21in the house when I went downstairs I
5:03:22still have my headphones on
5:03:27so when you came into the house you
5:03:30didn't have them on but then you had
5:03:31them on when you went downstairs yeah
5:03:33because I came in doing like a normal I
5:03:35would get ready to listen to music I was
5:03:36gonna work out okay so I was like you
5:03:38know you like boom boom back and forth
5:03:40what kind do you have like I have Beats
5:03:42Audio like the ones that go over or like
5:03:44they come in yeah the ones that like
5:03:45okay like they kind of like smash your
5:03:47head in or whatever yeah so I always
5:03:49have to like yeah always have to like
5:03:52move them you know like back and forth
5:03:54and stuff like that okay yeah and that's
5:03:56what I was doing like moving them when I
5:03:58was like do I hear something you know
5:04:00because it's kind of like I heard
5:04:02something but I wasn't sure that I heard
5:04:03something at all and that's when I
5:04:04started when downstairs okay and are
5:04:06they like noise canceling or anything
5:04:08like that or Ambient sound or do they
5:04:11just do like play regular music I mean I
5:04:13think they always cancel them right
5:04:15because that would be I don't know I
5:04:16think you can get them either way it
5:04:17would be beat I'm not sure I think you
5:04:19can get them either way so I didn't know
5:04:21if you knew yeah I don't I don't know we
5:04:23have two different years and the one
5:04:25like we have two different and I know
5:04:27one of them is the like the Kush push
5:04:29you know like push incline or whatever
5:04:31and the other one doesn't push in as
5:04:33much and I have the ones that like
5:04:42um so which ones were you wearing mine
5:04:44okay which color are those I
5:04:47um
5:04:51okay and what color are Albert
5:04:55all right all right Anthony okay I think
5:04:57okay we just want to make sure that you
5:04:59know like if we see them or whatever
5:05:01again the
5:05:06um you know if
5:05:08you said that um that your head got hit
5:05:11and stuff like that and we'll go back to
5:05:13that a little bit but maybe if he like
5:05:15touched them or something like that then
5:05:17we can we want to make sure that we get
5:05:19the right ones right right okay
5:05:22um so any was there anything else that
5:05:24happened Monday like after the deputies
5:05:27left or anything like that no so I I
5:05:32went out to my car that morning because
5:05:33I knew that Albert was going to uh fly
5:05:36in or whatever and so normal
5:05:40like like routine you know like I got up
5:05:43whatever I got in my car and I realized
5:05:46that he is the guy I left the back door
5:05:48open and then so I was like oh my car
5:05:50might not crank and I you know drive out
5:05:52and I drive down the street because I
5:05:55was gonna drive my car blah blah blah to
5:05:58pick it up and I decided to come back
5:05:59because it was too early his flight
5:06:00wasn't coming in until 8 53. okay and I
5:06:04was going to like honestly just just
5:06:05drive I had to think in my brain
5:06:07you know I was like this is the best
5:06:09thing but I didn't I just drove down the
5:06:10street came back and that was in your
5:06:12black car okay
5:06:14um and then so then you ended up picking
5:06:16him up later yeah and you took your
5:06:18black car to do that no so well yes so
5:06:20what happened is I took my black car but
5:06:23I had already I sent him a message
5:06:24earlier and I said hey can is there okay
5:06:27we'll get a rental car okay and he said
5:06:29yes I have a lease vehicle so you can
5:06:31only put like a thousand miles on it and
5:06:33I'm like pretty anal about you know like
5:06:35I don't want to go over and that type of
5:06:37thing so his car is very expensive on
5:06:40gas so I was going to get a little I did
5:06:41get a little economy car and I knew we'd
5:06:44be driving around everywhere everybody
5:06:46was like searching and in my mind I was
5:06:49like freaking out because I had
5:06:51I'm going to blame because we don't want
5:06:54our codes in our home and so I was like
5:06:56I know we're gonna drive every
5:06:57everywhere all day so I was like I'm
5:06:58going to get a rental okay so I did and
5:07:01so I thought I got my rental car and I
5:07:05left my black car at the airport
5:07:08dealership at the airport right because
5:07:09I had to have a way to
5:07:12like that wall keep them in yeah so
5:07:14Albert asked me where my car was at and
5:07:16I told him it was that French the reason
5:07:18I told him that is because I
5:07:20Albert I get a lot of post is about this
5:07:22whole working and changing career thing
5:07:24that you guys uh I told you about in the
5:07:27beginning and that was like a personal
5:07:28situation that I just I didn't want to
5:07:31fuss with him about
5:07:32you know like the working and changing
5:07:34you're going to give up your career for
5:07:35this business so I just said it was he
5:07:37knew I used like I had just worked
5:07:39differently I said it was that French
5:07:41one of my friends brought me that's why
5:07:42go ahead okay so that's why he thought
5:07:45was at French but it was my way of so he
5:07:46thought that
5:07:48I wanted he knew I had to go get myself
5:07:50from French because I stopped working
5:07:51there
5:07:53um so and that's kind of I wanted it to
5:07:55go with authority because I wasn't ready
5:07:57yet to tell him I wasn't returning it at
5:07:59all to education
5:08:01it just wasn't okay so he doesn't know
5:08:04that yet well he knows that like I've
5:08:07been I'm a beautiful attendant and oh
5:08:08never mind I can't do it because I've
5:08:10been back and forth you're going to go
5:08:12for making almost I made like 60 Grand
5:08:14to I think they make like 18 to 20 an
5:08:17hour and but you could only do so many
5:08:18things like reserve shifts you got like
5:08:20crash pads so I'm back and forth on
5:08:23something I really want to do and the
5:08:24money so I went back and forth with him
5:08:27on that and that was just one of those
5:08:28things where
5:08:30I just wasn't prepared to be like oh
5:08:32you're ready you're going to be a
5:08:33teacher again oh you're going to do this
5:08:34again oh you're back at the school again
5:08:35blah blah blah you know your jacket
5:08:37subbing again so so you took your so you
5:08:40drove to the airport in your black car
5:08:42okay what time did you do that
5:08:44here's flight landed at eight fifty
5:08:46something so I got there in time to
5:08:50park my car and then I walked up to the
5:08:55um thing and he was coming down the
5:08:57escalator and then I go over to budget
5:08:59and I you know get the
5:09:01um rental car he sitting on the little
5:09:03corner over here waiting on his bag
5:09:05um and we'd walk out we get the car okay
5:09:08and so where did you park your car at
5:09:11the airport do you remember
5:09:13um in the short term parking maybe about
5:09:15like a middle wave okay there's it's a
5:09:20long like this it goes from you got the
5:09:23rental cars the section here section
5:09:25section so it wasn't that the further
5:09:27section and maybe like over here okay
5:09:31um okay and then
5:09:33but you're in your black card this
5:09:35morning right okay because I had to turn
5:09:37the rental car back in okay right okay
5:09:40so you picked your car up this morning
5:09:41no no I think the rental car back last
5:09:44night because I needed I didn't know
5:09:46what time situation you know he's upset
5:09:51with me for not telling you guys first
5:09:52things that you know it could have been
5:09:54a quicker for sure or or whatever the
5:09:56case may be so I didn't know like I
5:09:58thought we were gonna have to stay you
5:10:00know like a hotel or something
5:10:02um so I parked my car my heart my Harley
5:10:05picked me up because I was going to get
5:10:06a room at a hotel okay and so I I bought
5:10:09you guys do that because it was shares
5:10:10through this morning so
5:10:12well
5:10:13people are working different people and
5:10:15so I just want to make sure that while
5:10:17we're talking that I have all of the
5:10:18information right right so if I if I ask
5:10:20you something that you feel like has
5:10:21already been covered before I'm not
5:10:23trying to be a brat or anything like
5:10:24that I just want to make sure we have
5:10:26everything roll on the same page with
5:10:27everything right okay so
5:10:30um you drove the rental car back last
5:10:32night early this morning so I know it
5:10:35was it was last night it wasn't it
5:10:37wasn't that it wasn't that late okay
5:10:39yeah and then Harley picked you up and
5:10:43you left your car at the airport still
5:10:44no no okay so I drove my car I mean I
5:10:48joined the rental car back got in my car
5:10:51okay left okay okay so I didn't have
5:10:54anywhere to go because they're fussing
5:10:56at me and people were not you know
5:10:58everything's going on in the searches
5:11:00and things like that so I just
5:11:02basically I didn't really have anywhere
5:11:04to go and I myself put some of myself
5:11:06was at home so I didn't have a card to
5:11:08get gas I didn't have anything like that
5:11:10so I was basically like just you know
5:11:12like going somewhere parking like trying
5:11:14to stay warm because it got a little bit
5:11:16cold or whatever sure so finally I just
5:11:17finally gave in was like Albert look and
5:11:20he was like I need you to tell me the
5:11:22truth and I that's when I started
5:11:23messaging her that it would I'm gonna
5:11:25come home and I'm sorry you know so
5:11:27exactly what happened it's all my fault
5:11:30because I should have let everyone know
5:11:32that I gave someone a coat and I try to
5:11:35replace that so
5:11:37um so at that point I leave my car at
5:11:40the hotel which was near Harley's work
5:11:42okay and she Albert was like you guys
5:11:45coming I said yes
5:11:47we're on our way I'll leave my car at
5:11:49the hotel the entire night and leaving
5:11:51Holly's car we stay home tonight last
5:11:55night and then I come back with Harley
5:11:57when she came to work this morning and I
5:11:58get I walk over to the hotels okay so
5:12:01have you gone and gotten a hotel room
5:12:03and then changed your mind into
5:12:04something no stay home no I parked my
5:12:07car because I was gonna get a hotel okay
5:12:09my thought process was like we got in
5:12:10Harley's car and went home and I don't
5:12:13want people like
5:12:15his ex-wife is there you know I didn't
5:12:17want people like
5:12:19you know there's not a domestic type
5:12:21situations like going on you know me
5:12:24myself against you know like her family
5:12:27and that proper thing so my plan was
5:12:29we'll just come back here and stay at
5:12:31the hotel sure if we have to sure so
5:12:33that was the whole point of me leaving
5:12:34my car there okay okay do you remember
5:12:37which hotel it was yes it's the uh ihd
5:12:39the Holiday Inn that was right there
5:12:41holiday in yeah and again that's where
5:12:43the police are at online where my car
5:12:45was at
5:12:47we were yeah okay I mean it could have
5:12:50been something separate but I just
5:12:52assumed because when I got when I got in
5:12:54my car to pick it up and the one at um
5:12:57Center Point center point so over by
5:12:59like the movie theater and stuff like
5:13:01that
5:13:03okay and it was
5:13:05Sheriff cars or csvd cars uh El Paso
5:13:09whatever white and maybe green maybe
5:13:11white and something
5:13:13yeah okay
5:13:15I just assumed they were there because
5:13:18you guys need my car was there but I
5:13:20parked up there because we first of all
5:13:21enjoyed one car in case it came back we
5:13:23had to stay at the hotel so okay yeah
5:13:25okay
5:13:27and then I picked it back up this
5:13:28morning so I figured back up this
5:13:30morning yeah and then you came here or
5:13:31did you go anywhere first no I I was
5:13:33just driving around because I was on the
5:13:35phone trying to figure out situations
5:13:37for like my mom was getting like I said
5:13:40he was getting all the dresses so I
5:13:41wanted to like talk to them because they
5:13:43were freaking out in a Hatton been able
5:13:45to talk to them in the last 24 hours so
5:13:47at that point my mom was was like really
5:13:49worried that I hadn't told her why are
5:13:51these people
5:13:52you know in her desert you know and so
5:13:55at that point in time I had to make that
5:13:58decision to focus on making sure my mom
5:14:01knew like Hey listen don't respond to
5:14:03you know anything people say you know
5:14:05and that type of thing
5:14:07um but I do have one question I know
5:14:10like
5:14:10um
5:14:11and it was probably really frustrating I
5:14:14know your husband was a pet and stuff
5:14:15like that too like we had we took a long
5:14:17time to get out there for
5:14:19um I guess we were under the impression
5:14:22it was a runaway or whatever so it took
5:14:24longer
5:14:28you know in her desert you know and so
5:14:31at that point in time I had to make that
5:14:33decision to focus on making sure my mom
5:14:36knew like hey just then don't respond to
5:14:39you know anything because I say you know
5:14:41and that top of me
5:14:43um but I do have one question I know
5:14:45like um
5:14:47and it was probably really frustrating I
5:14:49know your husband was upset and stuff
5:14:51like that too like we had we took a long
5:14:53time to get out there for
5:14:55um I guess we were under the impression
5:14:57it was a runaway or whatever okay so it
5:14:59took longer to get out there to you guys
5:15:03um but in the meantime like when we did
5:15:05get out there there's like all these
5:15:06people out in the neighborhood and like
5:15:08stuff going on in Facebook and stuff
5:15:10like that how did that happen like
5:15:14um Albert had had someone else
5:15:18um start talking on Facebook uh okay one
5:15:20of the kids involved
5:15:22okay so she like initiated something on
5:15:24Facebook and then of course all the
5:15:26people comment on okay there's a
5:15:28community Pages they're quite active
5:15:30page four yeah okay I didn't know if you
5:15:32had posted something not originally he
5:15:36had the little Cambria okay uh post an
5:15:39original post image like initially and
5:15:41then okay is that like a friend of your
5:15:43guyses or that's uh one of the kids
5:15:45Braden's Mom okay
5:15:47okay okay
5:15:50um
5:15:51all right
5:15:53so I want to go back a little bit
5:15:56um just to kind of think I could like
5:15:57use the restroom really fast absolutely
5:15:59sure
5:16:00um
5:16:05no we're coming back okay was it like a
5:16:08long-term process or something like that
5:16:09really you can just leave everything
5:16:11wherever it is and we don't have to like
5:16:13clean up anything or anything like that
5:16:15and I'll just show you where the
5:16:16restroom is do you want to leave that
5:16:18here can we watch your hot pocket oh you
5:16:20don't want to take it to the bathroom
5:16:41yeah no no that's a good stretch break
5:16:44take a seventh inning stretch break here
5:16:48seventh inning stretch break everyone
5:17:03sure her eyes are bad her lies are
5:17:05really bad
5:17:16and as always she's the only one not
5:17:17standing right now in the court
5:17:28oh I should get in those tissues
5:17:36Christina says peace and quiet
5:17:40it's nice isn't it
5:17:48I don't know
5:17:50probably
5:17:57stretch break
5:18:11yes these police officers are so good
5:18:15to go we are okay they're just letting
5:18:17her talk and talk and talk
5:18:30thank you
5:18:34anything else you need another
5:18:37caller or anything
5:18:51I think we still have two hours and 45
5:18:53minutes of this
5:19:15mm-hmm
5:19:19oh now she's suddenly cold
5:19:54oh they say they're gonna show us this
5:19:56so we can just watch her
5:19:59hey
5:20:07I'm sorry yeah
5:20:18I know
5:20:21I can't that's the only this job if you
5:20:24lose another job I don't know it sounds
5:20:25like it wouldn't work out that well
5:20:41I know
5:20:43we're not going to do that because
5:20:49okay
5:20:50all right let me do bye
5:20:53all right anything it's okay
5:21:06so I just want to back up with you
5:21:08um we kind of have like a good overview
5:21:10of everything
5:21:12um but so we can
5:21:15get really narrowing down to try and
5:21:17find Dana and everything else like that
5:21:18I just want to try and get some more
5:21:20specific stuff on everything yeah
5:21:23um so I did write some stuff and
5:21:27um
5:21:30so
5:21:32um
5:21:35and then so going back to the um just a
5:21:39little bit to the to the fire part you
5:21:41said that Ganon had some some stuff on
5:21:44his arms what part of his arm was that
5:21:47my my kind of remember what the inner
5:21:50area
5:21:52these are points are like wherever we're
5:21:53doing this like in the inner area like
5:21:55this okay so like right here yeah but
5:21:57like it like the burns were like not
5:21:59like you're thinking like like like like
5:22:02round Burns it was more of like not like
5:22:05Burns better like this
5:22:08um right here there's more of not
5:22:10necessarily Burns but like a little bit
5:22:12like skin like it was like skin peeling
5:22:15like in watercraft yes okay and so that
5:22:18was like on his left arm his right arm
5:22:21it was on both arms because remember
5:22:22when I came in I I took the covers and
5:22:25like basically like like got on top of
5:22:28both like on here and then the fire that
5:22:31like not like him prison in my Bible
5:22:33like like you know like I was just
5:22:34trying to get the fire out okay and he
5:22:36was like hanging off the side of the
5:22:39like off the side of the um
5:22:42he was like like saying my name like
5:22:46like he was alert like what Chrome could
5:22:48be just like woken up okay yeah so he
5:22:51was not having a full conversation with
5:22:53me but
5:22:54and then just like calling my name and
5:22:56he's like I'm so sorry he's getting the
5:22:59sorry you didn't mean to do it that he's
5:23:01been around me for a year so it was him
5:23:04thinking oh my gosh dude like I'm like
5:23:06waking up being like
5:23:08oh I just made mistake like we
5:23:10would say in the in the mind of a kid
5:23:12okay yeah
5:23:16um
5:23:18so the next day you go to like you're
5:23:22trying to figure out how to get this
5:23:24carpet fixed and you said that you had
5:23:26already you you cut the carpet I cut the
5:23:29carpet okay yeah where did you use to
5:23:31cut the cards I had a Albert has like
5:23:33these tools that are like we're working
5:23:36tools like chisels and and I don't know
5:23:39the specific name of the ones but
5:23:40they're like a little salty it and I
5:23:43just like took the carpet and did like
5:23:44this okay okay yeah I mean I didn't
5:23:47necessarily follow it but I just kind of
5:23:49was like they're very sharp Foods he has
5:23:51a lot of woodworking tools and stuff in
5:23:54the in the garage so I just took one of
5:23:56those things it's got like a handle and
5:23:58what color you know like you use because
5:24:00I try with the box cutter but I couldn't
5:24:03like it wasn't like deep enough to like
5:24:06really cool whatever okay yeah okay
5:24:08because I tried a couple times in a box
5:24:10better I think I'll get kind of like
5:24:11started the process but then
5:24:14I had to get like a stronger object or
5:24:16whatever okay do it okay sure
5:24:19um so you cut the carpet and then you
5:24:21guys are gonna go try to figure out how
5:24:24to like get this fixed or whatever else
5:24:26so you said that you um
5:24:30you went over to like where's the new
5:24:31construction is do you remember can you
5:24:33tell me more about that I'm I'm not
5:24:35familiar with the area I mean I could if
5:24:37you want me to drive you there
5:24:39the next flight or whatever I don't know
5:24:41like they give you street names if
5:24:42that's what you're asking sure that's
5:24:44true that's fine but can you describe it
5:24:46for me I feel like the school there
5:24:49there's the school in the back and so
5:24:51there's a bunch of new bills okay that
5:24:53are in the area right near the pool okay
5:24:54sure yes okay do you remember like when
5:24:57you went to the new builds and stuff
5:24:59like that was it like the first house
5:25:01then or like 12 houses in or yeah how
5:25:04far in did you have to go there was a
5:25:05couple well I'd rather just go swimming
5:25:07because you're gonna quote me on me
5:25:08telling you an estimate of the number
5:25:10and and that I don't think that scares
5:25:12me so I can give you an accurate
5:25:14description of which house it was
5:25:16okay well for now let's let's go with
5:25:20what you kind of remember is like do you
5:25:22remember did you have to drive
5:25:24um far in there or just a short distance
5:25:26I don't know what you mean by like far
5:25:28in there like into where the new builds
5:25:30are
5:25:32those they're all like you just go
5:25:34around like in loot okay so I don't I
5:25:37don't know if you're asking okay so far
5:25:39sure
5:25:40um I mean I could show you I just don't
5:25:42know your terms of distance addressing
5:25:44that you're like okay well
5:25:47I guess like so there's you're saying
5:25:49that they're like in a loop or whatever
5:25:52no the whole area is in like those
5:25:54leaves those streets there's kind of
5:25:56like different sections of the new build
5:25:59okay yeah it's a really like I I can
5:26:02show you because you're gonna quote me
5:26:03on me you need hand motion and things
5:26:05like that and that's not fair to me
5:26:07being being on a conversation that's
5:26:10just not fair and I'm sure if I have
5:26:12attorney there he would say we're gonna
5:26:13go show instead of just
5:26:15okay giving you something that would be
5:26:17an estimate so you went to the new build
5:26:19and um
5:26:21you found this guy
5:26:24and and asked them about yeah his name
5:26:26is Eduardo
5:26:27Eduardo we say oh Eduardo I don't know
5:26:30how to say the Spanish things right but
5:26:31Eduardo Eduardo okay something like like
5:26:35maybe I'm saying it wrong but I heard
5:26:36Eduardo with like a g yeah okay but it
5:26:40might be a j if it's the finish I'm not
5:26:42sure but I'm not Spanish but
5:26:46so he said he told you that was his name
5:26:49yeah he said of artist yeah and so maybe
5:26:52about like five eight really skinny he
5:26:55had on the two belt
5:26:58um had on like a like a like a Twitter
5:27:01bit like Facebook like a cold weather
5:27:03vest
5:27:05um I think it was I think it was really
5:27:07not really I don't really remember
5:27:09exactly but he did have Ouija on and he
5:27:11had on so that's that's the word like to
5:27:13combat boots or whatever I'm assuming in
5:27:16my mind that this was just um
5:27:18like this was somebody who was he looked
5:27:21like he was a like a legit worker there
5:27:24was people you know like on the houses
5:27:26uh there were people working in
5:27:29different areas so I didn't think it was
5:27:30any sure that he was a legit not
5:27:33necessarily contractor but someone that
5:27:35was going to music Someone knowledgeable
5:27:37right yeah right because I didn't and I
5:27:40didn't explain to him why it happened
5:27:42like I didn't say okay this happened I
5:27:44said we need a piece of carpet you had
5:27:46the carpet that for this model home okay
5:27:49so what did he say
5:27:51he said yes and I like I was like do you
5:27:54have the carpet I gave him like a hand
5:27:56reference of like the size that I would
5:28:00need and he said yes we had a rule for
5:28:01that they have the
5:28:02the only piece that they had that all
5:28:04all of them have the same and there's a
5:28:06lot of homes or the same code even said
5:28:08something and long I don't really know
5:28:10the the definition of that but some
5:28:12certain homes have the same exact thing
5:28:14and everything okay you know what I mean
5:28:16like if I had the same four and one the
5:28:19same because a lot of those are saying
5:28:21every five houses or whatever they have
5:28:23like three or four houses that they
5:28:24build over and over and over right right
5:28:26okay and they put the same finishings in
5:28:28them
5:28:29that was my uh assumption that I had
5:28:32taken from that okay
5:28:34and so he said that that you that they
5:28:36had it and then what what what happened
5:28:39next as far as like him having it
5:28:42um no no it was I just always have to
5:28:44make sure it's not my daughter okay yeah
5:28:46because you have to worry Mom so he said
5:28:48he was going to bring the carpet and fix
5:28:51it I gave him the code to get into the
5:28:52crutch okay
5:28:55um and so and you had mentioned that you
5:28:58thought maybe you would find somebody
5:28:59that would want to do like a side job or
5:29:00whatever else like did like how much did
5:29:03he say he was going to charge you for
5:29:04doing this and for the carpet and stuff
5:29:06like that right so we never had made
5:29:08that like uh just like like that
5:29:11conversation I just said hey and I'll
5:29:13give you a small donation so what I did
5:29:16was I said okay I think my ex-husband
5:29:20probably that he used to like working uh
5:29:23like she thought and stuff like that so
5:29:25I'm on a vacant we're done like this
5:29:27back home would have been like ten
5:29:28dollars an hour here it's probably a
5:29:31little more like 15 you know 15 20 an
5:29:33hour whatever and I said I'll give you a
5:29:35small donation you didn't ask me earlier
5:29:37about the part I'm sorry if we messed up
5:29:39and I said I'll give you a small
5:29:40donation and then in my mind the
5:29:42donation was gonna be fifty dollars so
5:29:44that's exactly I had cash that's exactly
5:29:46what I had was the fifty dollars like on
5:29:48the counter and I explained that to him
5:29:49that it would be on the counter thank
5:29:51you for you know doing it make sure the
5:29:52garage is closed and like I said you
5:29:54didn't ask me all that but I did go
5:29:56through a conversation I just didn't
5:29:57like can you bring the carpet
5:30:05make sure you close the garage back we
5:30:08have a security system I told him we had
5:30:10cameras you know like I talked it up
5:30:13through the conversation okay to you
5:30:15know let him know that these are this is
5:30:17the steps and you know the processes and
5:30:19stuff like that to follow okay so let's
5:30:22let's talk about that conversation a
5:30:24little bit just because we didn't and
5:30:25that's why we should go back like get
5:30:27you know more information and everything
5:30:28else like that so
5:30:30um he says he has the carpet and then
5:30:33um did you ask him like okay can I just
5:30:35have the carpet or did you ask him like
5:30:37can you do fix it for me or did he
5:30:41volunteer to fix it for you
5:30:43like did you ask him if he would just
5:30:45give you the carpet or like is it going
5:30:48to be like a package deal
5:30:49it's just like I wasn't asking for like
5:30:52the carpet for the size room I gave him
5:30:54like the
5:30:58he's bringing a scrap like like rooms or
5:31:01scraps or whatever that's already some
5:31:03extra from a job okay so you didn't ask
5:31:05him to just like bring you carpet so you
5:31:08could fix it you asked him to come and
5:31:09fix it for you yeah okay yeah I I mean I
5:31:13I've had in my mind to fix it then I was
5:31:17like I you have to measure and then like
5:31:19because I changed tools like once I was
5:31:22going to be existing so if you cut it
5:31:24different on that side and it just was a
5:31:25little
5:31:26out of my thought process okay yeah have
5:31:30you like if you've never done carpet
5:31:31before I would imagine that like trying
5:31:33to patch it would be kind of hard
5:31:34especially if you had to use different
5:31:36stuff to cut it okay
5:31:39um okay so he agrees to
5:31:43yeah come to your house to fix it so you
5:31:46give them the address yes I would do the
5:31:48whole here's where it's at like is money
5:31:51how much you know we do back home I mean
5:31:54it was probably like a good two three
5:31:57minute conversation okay of the
5:32:00specifics that meeting would be done and
5:32:03I did that out of panic because I needed
5:32:07to get it fixed I didn't want to put it
5:32:08on Craigslist because people said he
5:32:10called me or this and they upcharge and
5:32:13oh we need to replace the whole section
5:32:14and things like that and then he tell
5:32:17you like what he would charge you or did
5:32:18you just say this is how much I'm going
5:32:20bro I just immediately said that I was
5:32:22going to give a donation like in the
5:32:25terms of like I like I didn't really
5:32:27have a lot to give you but can you like
5:32:29hook me up but I kind of was like can
5:32:31you like kill me up like that you know
5:32:32being more of like a preview this for me
5:32:35I really need it I don't have a lot of
5:32:36money like a favor yeah like uh okay I
5:32:39mean because if he's on the job working
5:32:40and he makes so much an hour and can
5:32:42make an extra 50 bucks that day that was
5:32:44150 might turn into 200. you know so and
5:32:47my mind is thinking to dinner it was
5:32:49back to the times that colleagues that
5:32:51would do the same thing you know he
5:32:52would be like go do it don't go pay a
5:32:55subcontractor just go get someone who
5:32:57wants to work after hours you know or
5:32:59whatever and so that was my okay
5:33:09so
5:33:10um what did you tell them as far as like
5:33:12how to get into the house and stuff like
5:33:13that well you know I just gave him in
5:33:16the garage code okay and I explained
5:33:18where the carpet needed to be replaced
5:33:20so I mean okay there's no like when you
5:33:22enter in a home there's no like
5:33:24specifics you just Upstairs Downstairs
5:33:27that's it okay so you told him it was
5:33:29downstairs
5:33:31kind of the area that it was in or you
5:33:34could you walk downstairs you were
5:33:36thought okay like it wouldn't have been
5:33:37like you need to go search for it I mean
5:33:39what problem is this okay yeah look at I
5:33:41don't understand you promises I'm saying
5:33:43to the person that's coming it's like oh
5:33:46that's confident you know because see I
5:33:47had poop
5:33:53put like a piece of carpet that was on
5:33:57it but the problem with the piece of
5:33:59carpet that was on it was that was a
5:34:01piece of carpet that was from the
5:34:03outside like you know what I'm saying so
5:34:05we walk on it and it was like those
5:34:06extra piece right and I didn't I mean
5:34:09sure they could have you know used the
5:34:11same carpet but
5:34:13I I needed a carpet to fit a specific
5:34:15size of someone who had extra carpet
5:34:17then why not go ahead and fix the whole
5:34:19thing you know and we could have a
5:34:20little extra roll for so hopefully
5:34:23there's ever an emergency or anything
5:34:24like that okay so yeah okay
5:34:27um because I thought that there would
5:34:28have been some somewhere
5:34:30like in your house right okay because
5:34:33yeah like sometimes you know like I knew
5:34:35like when we had our home we killed it
5:34:37we left our
5:34:40Square what are they called the hardwood
5:34:42floor somebody left like maybe like 10
5:34:43little sheets and things like that so
5:34:45like I thought you know but
5:34:47in my mind like okay no I'm just gonna
5:34:49go I hadn't seen anything so I had to
5:34:52you know go find it yeah okay and then
5:34:55you act so much differently when you're
5:34:56trying to
5:34:58the impulses and make it hurry up and
5:35:00get it done quick quick decision when I
5:35:02probably could have just been like hey
5:35:04um you know let's look at something that
5:35:06we have maybe in the back corner we
5:35:08could have cut a piece out or something
5:35:09like that but I didn't want to go mess
5:35:10up another lady
5:35:12an old lady another lady's house
5:35:14like the renter like the owner we rent
5:35:17from them okay so you're right okay I
5:35:19thought you guys owned another web my
5:35:20bad okay so
5:35:22um
5:35:25um so you left so you went there you
5:35:28said that he was
5:35:30about five eight yeah okay what color
5:35:33hair did you say size is my husband's
5:35:35six
5:35:36right just a little bit shorter skinny
5:35:38dark hair like dark hair like wine you
5:35:41might think I'm Hispanic so like I'm
5:35:43really Brown in the in the summer but
5:35:45have you ever been here too okay
5:35:50question was a lot darker than mine okay
5:35:56thing but I would say like
5:35:59middle to Tanish okay
5:36:04um
5:36:07was this hair like it had texture to it
5:36:10was it straight was it curly well he had
5:36:12a thing on his head so it was like a
5:36:14little I don't know that piece or
5:36:17something and it was just I can't tell
5:36:19you like a hairstyle because we had like
5:36:20a little uh Brown like strapping around
5:36:23it but it was just like like almost like
5:36:25jet black hair okay but it wasn't like
5:36:28long okay
5:36:31and then
5:36:33um
5:36:34what was his face shapes like
5:36:39I mean like a little chubbier to mine
5:36:41okay
5:36:43like more rounded
5:36:49was there anything
5:36:51um about his face that like stands out
5:36:53that would help us be able to find him
5:36:55like that would we be able to be like
5:36:57that's the guy right there like did you
5:36:59have well I was wondering
5:37:01I'm bad saying but like maybe like a
5:37:03little bit
5:37:04foreign
5:37:06ER they're like the little holes what
5:37:10they hold no look you know how you can
5:37:12see some people and it's got a little
5:37:13like holy like stand from the acne like
5:37:15acne yeah yeah like stars
5:37:18that's really good stuff like acting
5:37:21like stars were kind of like present
5:37:22just a little bit there okay and not bad
5:37:25though not like you know super bad but
5:37:27it could have been like even more like
5:37:29recalls or like whatever but it's just a
5:37:30little section of like right here but
5:37:32detail there's just like from age or
5:37:34whatever okay
5:37:36um or maybe even from dryness I don't
5:37:38know I wasn't
5:37:39giving him a in constipation but I do
5:37:41remember there was like little spot here
5:37:43okay did he have any facial hair yes he
5:37:46had a mustache that way right here like
5:37:48around in this area and that was
5:37:50completely it okay we went like this
5:37:52here like the
5:37:54correct yeah I'm trying to give you this
5:37:56because I don't know how to say the
5:37:57wording okay just a mustache yes okay
5:38:01um and he said his hair was like jet
5:38:03black do you remember like approximate
5:38:05like could you tell approximately how
5:38:07long it was
5:38:25it wasn't like a military cut or
5:38:27anything like that yeah no no no not a
5:38:29military cook or anything at all okay
5:38:31they're kind of like medium length
5:38:34um
5:38:36and then how old do you think he was I
5:38:39was saying
5:38:41easily late 30s early 40s okay
5:38:45but and based upon me thinking that too
5:38:47about the face
5:38:49facial structure you're not even look at
5:38:51some people's skin and they'll uh the
5:38:53lack of elasticity or whatever it is
5:38:55different like those little you could
5:38:57tell that I've been there for a while
5:38:58okay almost like it was like a Samsung
5:39:01verb I was like you could just tell
5:39:02something had been
5:39:05is that the very unique feature I just
5:39:08wanted you to have because that wasn't
5:39:09something that you know okay the person
5:39:11that was safe this was you know on the
5:39:13basis would be permanent sure do you
5:39:16remember seeing any tattoos or any other
5:39:18links I remember I just remember the
5:39:21best I didn't see any tattoos
5:39:24um he had a shirt under the bed
5:39:27shirt or jacket okay I mean like I think
5:39:30under this but like you know you have
5:39:32the best over and people wearing the
5:39:33shirts yet so that's like a Colorado
5:39:35thing but kind of what color was the
5:39:37jacket do you remember I just remember
5:39:39the red part because remember I told you
5:39:41earlier I was like I think it's red but
5:39:42I was talking about this top layer yep
5:39:45yeah that's a vegetables right yeah yeah
5:39:46and I didn't know if you remembered what
5:39:50color the shirt was that wasn't um okay
5:39:53I know and then you said he had boots on
5:39:55yeah he had on like the like
5:39:58um rocky boots or like the like the
5:40:00construction
5:40:01do you remember what color they were
5:40:03yeah they were that light tank like a
5:40:04stand okay
5:40:07okay and he had me and I think he had
5:40:09the belt thing I know everybody had the
5:40:10belt but I just said it was a tool belt
5:40:13yeah it was like a good stop being bad
5:40:15in pockets
5:40:16I mean okay
5:40:19um and I remember I told you that at the
5:40:21scene I don't remember
5:40:24like a specific color it was just oh
5:40:26yeah you know you see now you're like oh
5:40:28person in the black shirt person
5:40:29whatever I didn't aggressive I do but
5:40:31the but the face did stick out and I
5:40:34could I wish I was good at drawing
5:40:36because I'd want you to like
5:40:38to like notice that or whatever and it
5:40:39was like more rounded kind of like
5:40:41pretty reception in this shirt
5:40:44um and then so
5:40:47and you went through the fact that
5:40:49you guys left there and you went to
5:40:51Petco
5:40:52well we already talked about I don't
5:40:54know
5:40:55if I got gas beforehand or not but I
5:40:57told you guys I would be more than
5:40:59willing to give you the
5:41:01information from an exact travel
5:41:04um for the route but we immediately left
5:41:07the worst Advanced area of the track
5:41:09okay yeah
5:41:11um
5:41:12so what was you had said you were going
5:41:14to leave him the cash on the bar did you
5:41:16go back and put that there or were you
5:41:18gonna like or had you left that there
5:41:20whenever you left no so we have uh I
5:41:24always have like everything that was in
5:41:26the with all the notes and everything
5:41:29like that that was in the drawer that
5:41:31sits on the side of the kitchen or
5:41:32whatever okay and I had cash put in
5:41:34there because I had gotten playing the
5:41:36lottery
5:41:37cash back from the lottery and I had
5:41:40already laid it out on the counter my
5:41:42mindset was the reason I related I kind
5:41:44of was not because I had it
5:41:45predetermined I was going to leave it
5:41:46out for a specific person I already had
5:41:48it laid out of the counter because I was
5:41:50gonna give that money to Harley and to
5:41:51heart because Harley has been paying on
5:41:53the dolls because chance we Finance team
5:41:55okay she's paying him back or whatever
5:41:58and we always give her a portion of
5:42:00chance and a portion of her car payment
5:42:01so I was going to give that back to her
5:42:03anyway okay and so in that moment I
5:42:07don't even remember when I came in that
5:42:09I checked to see that the whole month I
5:42:12didn't I left her a hundred dollars but
5:42:14okay I didn't check in the moment if
5:42:15that hundred dollars like when I walked
5:42:17in I didn't say haters only 20 there and
5:42:21my mind wasn't thinking about you know
5:42:23like it was gone so I thought you know
5:42:25okay but in my conversation with him
5:42:29here's here's how much you want to do
5:42:31donation blah blah blah so when I come
5:42:33in I didn't think to go look to see if
5:42:34he left the remainder of the hundred
5:42:35dollars like that just wasn't in my
5:42:37mindset because you know it was already
5:42:39there on the counter whenever you had
5:42:41left right and that was just because
5:42:42when Holly got in I was going to tell
5:42:44her that that was usually like I either
5:42:46ideally her money or you know like
5:42:48whatever we paid what really oh I
5:42:50haven't heard of that one yeah everyone
5:42:51else it's kind of like Apple pay or
5:42:54whatever they usually like I I really
5:42:55have money or things like that but
5:42:57Albert knows this I haven't had my
5:43:00um USAA credit card in such a while so I
5:43:03didn't have a way to you know to go get
5:43:05it or whatever so I have lottery ticket
5:43:07money script so I was like I would be
5:43:09the lottery ticket money that I've been
5:43:10fashioned to go buy new water tickets
5:43:11okay and do you remember was that like
5:43:13when you put it out there was it like
5:43:1520s yes it was all in yeah it's always
5:43:17pinned and the reason it's always tends
5:43:18is because I tell myself I'm not playing
5:43:20anything like above the the like the 10
5:43:24amount okay and I go to the Safeway all
5:43:26the time and put it in that machine
5:43:27because I put more than ten dollars in
5:43:30that machine they're going to keep it
5:43:31you have to oh okay you have to ask like
5:43:34you know oh I put a 20 in there you got
5:43:36to think 20 and a lot okay so you had
5:43:38ten dollars or a hundred dollars and ten
5:43:41dollar bills on the counter when you
5:43:42left yes okay
5:43:44um so you weren't worried you didn't
5:43:45have to go back to like put that back
5:43:47out for him before you went out yeah I
5:43:49know and I didn't intentionally like
5:43:50leave it if they you know whatever I in
5:43:52my mind when I left because I didn't
5:43:54know like hey what time I didn't have a
5:43:56specific time I knew I needed to do that
5:43:57before Lena but usually Holly gets off
5:44:00at 3 15. so I was assuming she might
5:44:02meet me back home okay but she works
5:44:05remember I told you like they were
5:44:06having
5:44:07people have to take the shifts and all
5:44:08that so she hasn't worked until later in
5:44:10the day sure okay
5:44:12um all right so and then you come home
5:44:15let's talk about what happens when you
5:44:17come home okay and I know that um
5:44:21that it can be difficult to talk about
5:44:24um so and I did want to talk about that
5:44:26part without
5:44:28I I just I'm one of those people that
5:44:30tries to
5:44:33try to like not think that mental health
5:44:36is always a you know uh an issue or like
5:44:39things like that and in my mind I'm I
5:44:42was afraid of the whole like always
5:44:44causes mental health problems you know
5:44:46like that type of thing so sure talking
5:44:48about it I'm trying to like don't think
5:44:50if I'm like emotions I'm trying to be
5:44:52the blocker to think that I'm not going
5:44:54to let that be a stigma that I have to
5:44:56I'm going to have mental health problems
5:44:57because of this so that no and and what
5:45:00I was going to say is because um you
5:45:02know I've been a Special Victims Unit
5:45:04detective and so
5:45:06I've had to investigate different types
5:45:08of assaults and sex assaults and stuff
5:45:10like that with adults and children and
5:45:12so I just kind of want to let you know
5:45:15um
5:45:16and this is you know tip
5:45:19I would let anybody that I was going to
5:45:21have this conversation now
5:45:23um but that's what I've experienced with
5:45:25and that it can be a hard thing to talk
5:45:28about and that I understand that
5:45:31um and so and then
5:45:33it can be kind of a sensitive subject
5:45:35and like people don't always want to say
5:45:38specifics but for us like
5:45:41to be able to document everything and be
5:45:44able to to really pursue it we have to
5:45:47get into the specifics and I just want
5:45:48to apologize up front for that because I
5:45:50know it can be uncomfortable
5:45:53does that make sense
5:45:59are you okay
5:46:26do I have to talk about that
5:46:28I don't want you to like I said I don't
5:46:30want to be dreaming
5:46:33I'm sorry you don't want what you're
5:46:35dreaming anymore
5:46:38my mother keep saying when I get my mind
5:46:41I keep safe and I'm trying to block it
5:46:42I'm biting the Battle of blocking out
5:46:44exactly everything you know sure
5:46:48um well so we'll just have I can say yes
5:46:55I just don't want to be like
5:46:59really specific in terms of are you
5:47:01talking about like you're gonna ask me
5:47:03questions about like
5:47:04so what I'd like you to do is is start
5:47:07by telling me what you remember hearing
5:47:09whenever you came in that day and then
5:47:11and and as you walk me through it I'll
5:47:14have to ask you some questions okay yeah
5:47:16yeah okay
5:47:17so you
5:47:20and correct me if I get anything wrong
5:47:22okay you had said earlier that whenever
5:47:24you came in that you you thought maybe
5:47:27that Gannon had come into the house
5:47:29first I almost positive he went into the
5:47:32house first if I had to get the packet
5:47:35the bags that we had purchased
5:47:38sure sure
5:47:40um and then and you guys came in through
5:47:43the garage correct I want to say the
5:47:45garage I'm like 80 percent
5:47:49that the garage could be parked on the
5:47:51front with Alberta okay
5:47:53okay
5:47:54um
5:47:56so you coming through the garage Dannon
5:47:59has already come inside what's the first
5:48:01thing you remember seeing whenever you
5:48:02come inside I used to always go in to
5:48:04think about you know hey I need to uh
5:48:08let the dogs out hey I need to do this
5:48:10yeah you know like that is my mentality
5:48:13is to go in to do that and the alarm
5:48:16could tell if no it won't because I had
5:48:18put those things on there see that's
5:48:20where the hard part is because I can't
5:48:21give you that kind because
5:48:27yeah
5:48:28but it might some of the things that
5:48:31were I told you I had the things going
5:48:33on with me I put the little towel things
5:48:35on them or whatever so the centers were
5:48:37picking up and some of them weren't were
5:48:38so I can't give it like that kind of I
5:48:41went in I couldn't tell you if I went in
5:48:42and went upstairs and went downstairs
5:48:43first by the motion but the motion was
5:48:46all off because I had put uh put towels
5:48:48right right you hadn't pulled those down
5:48:50from the night before yeah like I in my
5:48:53mind that was not like sure some of them
5:48:56like like the one in the corner like
5:48:58hanged up the thigh so it might have
5:48:59picked it up or it might have not done
5:49:00so if it wasn't for that I could tell
5:49:03you uh by that did I go straight in and
5:49:06go straight to the basement or because
5:49:07it would say like well so there's
5:49:09emotional activity I want to so with
5:49:12with this kind of conversation it's
5:49:14really all about what you remember and
5:49:16what your perspective right okay so I
5:49:18remember it was just basically being you
5:49:20know like normal because I'm excited we
5:49:22got you know we include for the pets and
5:49:25I'm I mean we're coming in the door yada
5:49:28yada okay the day's halfway through
5:49:31I had I knew I had specific
5:49:33responsibilities to continue out to the
5:49:35rest of the night my brain hadn't said
5:49:38hey you need to go check or anything
5:49:40with the money yet because
5:49:41it I just wasn't on that you know that
5:49:44direction yet sure I was on the
5:49:45direction I wanted to work out I wanted
5:49:47to listen to my music I wanted to like
5:49:49relaxed that was my that was my mindset
5:49:51that wasn't to be a contagious this
5:49:53year's and here's the fifth that type of
5:49:55thing so it should have been because I
5:49:58gave someone the code to get into our
5:49:59house but
5:50:01in my experience in lordson ranch is in
5:50:04that you know most everyone has uh
5:50:08people they give people their codes and
5:50:09let them command the fixings and you
5:50:11know like you could do the Amazon
5:50:12packages and have them delivered inside
5:50:14the door so I wasn't thinking you know
5:50:17like I need to run in and check make
5:50:18sure it's okay if I felt that
5:50:20I was doing a Harper situation that
5:50:22would have been like I thought I
5:50:23wouldn't have done it but second off I
5:50:25would have went in immediately and been
5:50:26like did you fix what you're supposed to
5:50:28do with anything from the hall that
5:50:30would have been my initial thing so it
5:50:31was a normal I want to listen to music I
5:50:33want to work out I don't know I might
5:50:34ask another drink I don't up and down
5:50:36dog that type of thing that would have
5:50:38been my you know mentality but what I
5:50:40didn't hear anything until I had my
5:50:42headphones on and I thought like one of
5:50:44those things where you thought you heard
5:50:45something because like the downstairs if
5:50:48anybody makes any kind of noise like a
5:50:50bling it's like it echoes really loud oh
5:50:52really like it has like a like a a lot
5:50:55of echo through the vents okay so even
5:50:57sometimes whether you're asking about
5:50:58another counseling or not even like
5:50:59having things on or not sometimes it's
5:51:03just a way that you know they're sitting
5:51:05on there you hear something you know and
5:51:06that was like you know I almost like an
5:51:09echo in a way and that was and and below
5:51:12my room would be that storage room okay
5:51:16so so you were in your room when you
5:51:18heard that
5:51:19but when I heard that I don't remember
5:51:20if I was I know I had the headphones on
5:51:22okay we're walking back and forth
5:51:25because I had a big speaker box over
5:51:26here and then either either I play the
5:51:29big speaker or play the headphones or
5:51:30however on the big speaker back and
5:51:32forth I don't know if I was like here
5:51:33there again I wish I could give you the
5:51:36uh motion thing because that will give
5:51:37you a better time like a PVP board or
5:51:39there would be five here like that but
5:51:41when I heard it that's when I was just
5:51:44kind of like oh I hear something
5:51:46remember I even told you earlier I had a
5:51:48couple of times before I even thought
5:51:50that that would be of a concern so when
5:51:52you thought you heard something what
5:51:54happened there so I I don't remember if
5:51:56it was one or two times or whatever that
5:51:58I kind of was like doing this here and I
5:52:00back and forth and that's what I can do
5:52:01that I you know started to walk down the
5:52:04stairs and I told you that piano was on
5:52:06to the right of the area okay like when
5:52:09you walk down the stairs he was on the
5:52:11right of the area okay
5:52:14the balance over here okay and was he
5:52:17just was the guy just out or the the
5:52:20noise was probably because of like
5:52:22moving around I guess or whatever and
5:52:26the door was like almost not not
5:52:27necessarily like a semi-crack well maybe
5:52:30it will send my credit I don't know if
5:52:32he was looking out like like peeking out
5:52:36or anything like that and so I noticed
5:52:39that someone was right there and that
5:52:41one immediately it was just so there was
5:52:43no it wasn't like hey how are you
5:52:47these things in your homes are not there
5:52:49to
5:52:50when they're not supposed to be doing
5:52:51whatever they're not there to be like
5:52:53talk to you it was immediate from then
5:52:55that went to that again and came in okay
5:52:58try to get on so well let's slow all
5:53:00that part down okay okay so you go
5:53:02downstairs you notice somebody's there
5:53:05what's the what's the next thing that
5:53:07happened so I noticed that you were
5:53:09there he had I told you when I went in
5:53:12my room earlier
5:53:13one of the things that I remembered
5:53:14triggered nothing triggered what I
5:53:16thought was odd but I had my shades and
5:53:18I remember I told you my uh doors were
5:53:20open to the cabinet in the room okay so
5:53:23I noticed um that they were open so that
5:53:27kind of mom was like did I leave that
5:53:28open but that also set off the fact of
5:53:32when your brain runs rapidly and you're
5:53:33looking like gosh that's why that door
5:53:36was open that like you put it together
5:53:39right right you put I put it together
5:53:40very very quickly and so that part ran
5:53:43back in my mind and so immediately when
5:53:45he saw that like he saw me I don't know
5:53:48if if the intentions was to
5:53:52us to come in that soon I don't know the
5:53:54intentions if it was the do anything
5:53:57because I don't think the intentions was
5:53:59going to be
5:54:00like taking a big summer because it was
5:54:03a movie he already had on bugs he
5:54:06already had to have a pain a gun from
5:54:10our home like had already you know done
5:54:12those things and immediately it was an
5:54:14attack mode for me okay and from there
5:54:17and oh I didn't mention to you I did go
5:54:20in the um cabinet because I take all of
5:54:23our other pants or uh anxiety and I was
5:54:27like already super anxiety from like
5:54:30having all this you know like going on
5:54:32and stuff about like fire stuff like
5:54:35that so I took two little recipes
5:54:36so so I did go in and take two through
5:54:39the ride pounds and yeah and that was in
5:54:41the cabinet so where I was spam or was
5:54:43that somewhere else
5:54:44like in the kitchen
5:54:46no you said that you went in where was
5:54:49I'm sorry I'm sorry like in the kitchen
5:54:50we have a kitchen cabinet I have to say
5:54:52that to you okay the cabinet that I'm
5:54:53talking about the doors is a bedroom
5:54:56um let's say cabinet it's like a online
5:54:58like a like a smaller one has swords
5:55:00that open okay I should this is my
5:55:03cabinet cabinet thing or something right
5:55:04the bedroom one the particular one would
5:55:08be where the medication right right so I
5:55:10did take that's what I said I think I
5:55:12might have got something to drink or
5:55:13something but I did take two of that we
5:55:15said that I did do that and then I did
5:55:17okay so just so we're clear
5:55:20the kitchen cabinet was where your
5:55:22medication was describe for me the
5:55:24armoire in the bedroom whereas the
5:55:27shades and your gun so you want to know
5:55:29like what's in it or like what what does
5:55:30it look like no other is it sorry so
5:55:33it's uh silver like a chroma shoulder
5:55:36like glass okay and um
5:55:39it does have handles like a little knob
5:55:42that you can pull on or like full open
5:55:45and then of course they have like I keep
5:55:48my important documents in there like a
5:55:50passport or does it have drawers or
5:55:53anything that no drawers okay it has the
5:55:57inserts like shelf yeah the gel
5:56:00perfect and where is where does that fit
5:56:01in your bedroom
5:56:03can you look in the room like say I'm
5:56:05like opening the door walking in the
5:56:06room exactly right here okay and is it
5:56:09like does it sit on something or does it
5:56:11have its own feet why is it on feet okay
5:56:13yeah okay I just want to make sure that
5:56:15we're talking about it has its own feet
5:56:16yeah and like if I had to do like a
5:56:19I don't know what samples or whatever I
5:56:22I just wanted to tell you about the
5:56:23medicine because she's like oh I didn't
5:56:25subscribe to me anyway so yeah sure yeah
5:56:27and I had already taken one that morning
5:56:29too so it was it was just I don't have
5:56:31to take my panic attacks but I just had
5:56:33taken a lot I don't think a lot of it I
5:56:36thought that but I'd take them yeah I
5:56:37don't take any at all since I'm having a
5:56:39panic attacks it was a little bit more
5:56:41than usual right right just because it
5:56:43was just you know like okay the whole
5:56:45anxiety of it so you go downstairs and
5:56:48you see him and you said that he had
5:56:50already found a gun
5:56:52he had already been in the home in our
5:56:55home
5:56:56um like moving like I say moving like
5:56:59doing something because you wouldn't
5:57:01have just walked in and know see there's
5:57:03something here you've had to go in and
5:57:05spoke to people and probably book their
5:57:06drawers and things like that I don't
5:57:08know I'm not making that assumption
5:57:09that's like I'm just saying he had
5:57:10already attained one so I'm kind of okay
5:57:12I don't I can't see for what you know
5:57:14like what went on or
5:57:17okay what um can you describe the gun
5:57:20for me
5:57:20um so it was our black gun Black Gun I I
5:57:23don't know what um
5:57:27or whatever
5:57:30um
5:57:31okay uh was it
5:57:34do you know whether it was like a
5:57:36revolver or like a like automatic
5:57:39trigger
5:57:42okay
5:57:44and is that like
5:57:47um
5:57:48and you you know the caliber maybe I
5:57:50think the three three
5:57:52four nine one of those
5:57:57okay
5:58:00it was your black gun okay how many how
5:58:04many guns do you guys have
5:58:06um
5:58:11or or okay what kind are they
5:58:15um
5:58:17I don't know the big one that Albert has
5:58:19it's kind of like an ER since then okay
5:58:22um and then there's the shotgun and so
5:58:24too I think they're both two three eight
5:58:29three eighty yeah like I think like like
5:58:31I think it's like a 380 very low 380.
5:58:34okay
5:58:36um and are they both black or like
5:58:38sometimes they have like the colorful
5:58:39ones yeah mine's uh like a teal color
5:58:42okay we have a black one and a teal yeah
5:58:45okay
5:58:51okay
5:58:53I just wanted to cover that really quick
5:58:56okay so you go downstairs you've already
5:58:58obtained a gun you think it's your black
5:59:00gun well no I don't think I I saw what
5:59:03color black okay
5:59:05um so I was assuming where I told you
5:59:07that my mind went through that that was
5:59:10like okay
5:59:12now at that time I wasn't 100 if it was
5:59:16or not because
5:59:18there's plenty of like God sure
5:59:21so for me what happens next
5:59:25who you want me to go through the whole
5:59:27like it's all again
5:59:29well we need to we need to know like
5:59:31more specifics about it so you said you
5:59:33saw him and that he had the gun and then
5:59:36he attacked you how did he attack you
5:59:48until uh 3 15. again don't discuss the
5:59:51case money yourself don't discuss the
5:59:53case with anyone else don't do any
5:59:55research about any aspect of the case
5:59:58um with that if we can have everyone
5:59:59back in the jewelry room at 3 15 would
6:00:01be
6:00:03a rise for the jury please
6:00:38foreign
6:00:55[Music]
6:01:02because I know there's another video
6:01:04that's I don't think
6:01:06it'll probably be mid-morning Friday
6:01:08where they get to me so I'm sure we're
6:01:10going to finish this thing yeah
6:01:12there will be some empty time I think in
6:01:15the in the room that will just push
6:01:16through but when I mean empty nobody's
6:01:19in the room right yeah
6:01:21but it but it's not going to be like 30
6:01:23minutes right
6:01:24I can't remember honestly there's a
6:01:26chunk though okay well we'll just uh if
6:01:29we get it finished today great if we
6:01:31don't we'll finish it up on Friday
6:01:34and my DACA tomorrow is virtual so you
6:01:39can leave everything here I don't have
6:01:41to you don't have to clean off tables
6:01:42you don't have to do anything and thank
6:01:44you all right
6:01:45all right thank you quarter beams
6:01:47testing all right
6:01:57okay so in recess I just couldn't want
6:02:00to take this off
6:02:04and then it's like please not another
6:02:06video
6:02:07yes got another one I'm trying to
6:02:09calculate how long that was so that was
6:02:11we started the 20 Past
6:02:15so 35 I think that was one hour 35.
6:02:19we had
6:02:20I think we've still got it about two and
6:02:22a half hours yeah
6:02:24oh my word
6:02:26we still have a while and they're gonna
6:02:28maybe fast forward through some of uh
6:02:30the video where there's no one in the
6:02:32room
6:02:33oh you guys that was a lot that was
6:02:35really a lot
6:02:37I have made some notes but oh man
6:02:39listening to her it's exhausting huh do
6:02:43you guys sleep well at night because I
6:02:44sure do let me just move my mic closer
6:02:46here so we're on a break
6:02:49um
6:02:51liberopini says wait are we on a break
6:02:53now we're on a break
6:02:55and Sandy says None of what she says has
6:02:58anything to do with Ganon that detective
6:03:00is awesome I know right nothing
6:03:03yeah oh my word for real welcome to all
6:03:06the new members and thank you so much
6:03:07everyone for the stickers as you know I
6:03:10can't verbalize them while we're
6:03:11listening to this but I always wave at
6:03:13you so thank you so much I really really
6:03:15appreciate it
6:03:17um
6:03:18so someone I think it was the bag lady
6:03:22in chat you were saying that if I do
6:03:25remember vaguely researching Leticia
6:03:28stuff's ex-husband
6:03:31from what I remember they got divorced
6:03:33long before he died but she was
6:03:36mentioning
6:03:38today Harley's dad got killed so it just
6:03:41makes me I'm just gonna have to revisit
6:03:43that so if you do have a link to that
6:03:44please send it to me on Grizzly True
6:03:46Crime gmail.com I just want to have a
6:03:47look at it again
6:03:48but anyway
6:03:50so the first thing I wrote down is what
6:03:51happened to leticia's ex and apparently
6:03:53his name is chance and also Grizzly Cat
6:03:56found for us leticia's Instagram but
6:03:59it's private so Dr stuck but it's a
6:04:02private account but thanks for finding
6:04:03it either way
6:04:05okay so she Leticia was saying you will
6:04:08see you'll see it on the ring door cam
6:04:10you'll see the truck pulling up so she's
6:04:13basically saying we left after 10 and we
6:04:14came back just after two but she's like
6:04:16225 or 2 35 something like that and
6:04:19she's like you'll see it which already
6:04:21is interesting because she's aware of
6:04:23exactly which cameras and what
6:04:25they'll be seeing you know what I mean
6:04:28yes NC says I'm curious me too I'm
6:04:30curious again
6:04:31I was curious before and I remember
6:04:33looking at it so it's somewhere there on
6:04:35the playlist but I want to look at it
6:04:36just one more time just again yes
6:04:38exhausting chance
6:04:41Holly Hunt it's Holly Hunter it would be
6:04:43chance hunt I would think
6:04:46um and so
6:04:48she says she gets home around 2 25 or 2
6:04:5135 or January 27th the day that Ganon
6:04:53was murdered now what's interesting is
6:04:55she says that Harley gets off work at 4
6:04:5730. so you know what's scary is that in
6:05:00her mind she knows she's only got from
6:05:02around half past two to help us four
6:05:06to do whatever it is she's doing
6:05:09you know like she was aware of the
6:05:12timeline
6:05:14so that's very interesting um she starts
6:05:17speaking like super fast when and the
6:05:19Moshi yada yada's and the more she digs
6:05:21herself her own
6:05:22grave not that we want to say that no
6:05:24but you know what I mean given the
6:05:26content but like she she just the faster
6:05:29she talks the more she lies mm-hmm
6:05:31and so she said she was terrified and
6:05:34she said again she actually said it
6:05:35twice this time in this session that we
6:05:37heard that Albert would kill me but like
6:05:40no Leticia she's the killer you know
6:05:43what I mean but she's always like
6:05:44remember when we heard the calls between
6:05:47L and Leticia and she was saying
6:05:50to him she was feeling sorry for herself
6:05:52because she has to ask people if she can
6:05:54use their phone she has to ask if she
6:05:56can sit in their cars which is like wait
6:05:57what but anyway she's like there could
6:05:59be bad Killers or something so she
6:06:00projects very hard she's like they could
6:06:03be Killers L would kill me I would be so
6:06:05angry with me
6:06:06yeah I know that's all her you know what
6:06:08I mean so
6:06:10um I wrote here that she Cherry picks
6:06:13trauma stories because she said Albert's
6:06:16sister
6:06:17it's interesting as she suddenly called
6:06:18him Albert and not just L Albert's
6:06:20sister
6:06:21was s Aid
6:06:23and then Leticia says and I kept
6:06:25thinking
6:06:26so while this is all happening to her in
6:06:28effect story of iguardo she said
6:06:31she's thinking the whole time that her
6:06:33husband's sister was essayed and
6:06:36therefore her husband's gonna think of
6:06:38her as nothing I mean that is just
6:06:40terrible to me that she would even
6:06:41project that
6:06:42that she's trying to say that if I
6:06:45understood it correctly that L thinks of
6:06:48his sister as nothing because she was
6:06:51essayed I don't like that no no I don't
6:06:54think that's going to cross his mind I
6:06:55can't I don't know him I'm just like
6:06:57that just doesn't sound right the way
6:06:59she said that
6:07:01um so man she talks about Eduardo and
6:07:04him bringing
6:07:05the carpet so he's gonna fix the carpet
6:07:09because she had to cut out a piece of
6:07:10the carpet
6:07:11but then he's also bringing like scraps
6:07:13of carpet and carpet and she's going to
6:07:15give him a donation have you ever heard
6:07:17of that sounds worse than freaking Amber
6:07:18Heard talking about a pledge
6:07:21she's going to give him a donation not
6:07:23like an hourly pay just a donation and
6:07:25she was thinking maybe like fifty
6:07:26dollars I mean wow
6:07:29Chrissy art says I think we all need to
6:07:31make a pint after the circus act
6:07:35that's the thing Angela one finger but
6:07:37someone else three pointing back at her
6:07:41I know right she's talked about the
6:07:42carpet more than anything but there's a
6:07:44little bit if you've noticed her pattern
6:07:46ooh it's quite scary when you
6:07:48when you realize there's always these
6:07:49half truths in there somewhere so if you
6:07:51listen carefully to what she's saying
6:07:53sometimes it's like
6:07:55you know like when saying she was saying
6:07:57to L before that Gannon was really
6:07:59scared
6:08:00that he was really scared of her as well
6:08:02I mean that's true that would be true
6:08:04given what happened
6:08:07um she also said that Albert
6:08:09would blame her for giving a stranger
6:08:12the keys to to her home
6:08:14okay so to their home
6:08:16um yeah okay but that's not what's
6:08:18important now it's not like a naughty
6:08:20child you know what I mean she's not
6:08:21like oh my word I've been so bad he's
6:08:23gonna be so angry with me and then what
6:08:25is your next how do you make decisions
6:08:27after that I mean it doesn't make any
6:08:28sense
6:08:29ah okay Eileen can you send it to me um
6:08:33on my email
6:08:35please
6:08:37yes and so and and see sorry I missed
6:08:41that
6:08:41yes Holly is on both the prosecution and
6:08:44defense Nancy said she measured it mash
6:08:46it up Patch It Up
6:08:47did she though
6:08:49wasn't it still cut out I don't know
6:08:51does she though now what is interesting
6:08:54is she says
6:08:57she said this
6:08:59she was making an irrational decision in
6:09:02a panic situation
6:09:05true to that
6:09:06but the fact that she can sit there and
6:09:09say that the fact that she can say I was
6:09:11making an irrational decision in a panic
6:09:15situation
6:09:16exactly yeah you don't have did number
6:09:19one number two yeah you you're literally
6:09:22saying it that guy's just making an
6:09:23irrational decision yeah
6:09:26and you understand it so you're not
6:09:27insane at all you made an irrational
6:09:30decision now she's talking about
6:09:34she's making the story about something
6:09:35else but we know what happened in that
6:09:37time frame you know what I mean
6:09:40so then she said I couldn't keep going
6:09:43on and on with the irrational decisions
6:09:46so I called 9-1-1
6:09:49again she does not have dissociative
6:09:51identity disorder to even calculate like
6:09:53that I couldn't just keep going on and
6:09:56on with these irrational decisions so I
6:09:57decided to call 9-1-1 that's what I had
6:09:59to do next
6:10:01then she complains a bit about them
6:10:02getting four taking four hours to get
6:10:04there and then she keeps on saying she
6:10:05panicked and all that right
6:10:07then she says I was being stupid and
6:10:11should have told them what really
6:10:12happened yes stupid not insane
6:10:16she's busting her own ass here she's
6:10:18literally like debunking her own defense
6:10:22you know what really sucked as well I
6:10:24think I wrote that somewhere else where
6:10:26she said she's aware of like mental
6:10:28health struggles and she doesn't want to
6:10:30stigmatize things she literally said she
6:10:33doesn't want to stigmatizing okay
6:10:35well what a defense you have
6:10:38like let's stigmatize an already very
6:10:41stigmatized disorder dissociative
6:10:43identity disorder and let's call that
6:10:45Insanity just to you know add salt to
6:10:48that wound
6:10:49what
6:10:50but she's like I don't want to you know
6:10:52in this interview I don't want to
6:10:54stigmatize anything yeah okay
6:10:57but when she said I was being stupid
6:11:00and I should have told them what really
6:11:01happened yeah yeah these words were
6:11:04going to remember them
6:11:06she also says that uh
6:11:10she put the gun back that iguardo had so
6:11:13she's trying to in every story that you
6:11:15can hear from
6:11:16everything she told her brother when her
6:11:18brother testified if you were here for
6:11:19all the stuff or the whole trial so far
6:11:21if you weren't go check out the replays
6:11:23everything is time stamped for you
6:11:25um it's all on the playlist I've made
6:11:27two playlists now there's again in style
6:11:28playlist and I also made it Leticia
6:11:30stuff depending on what you're searching
6:11:31for so you can find it on both okay and
6:11:33they all time stamped so if you listen
6:11:36to what the brother said
6:11:37if you listen to everything she's always
6:11:39trying to pin
6:11:40parts of the story on someone and this
6:11:43one was iguardo now some guy called
6:11:45iguardo that she says was in his 30s or
6:11:4940s late 30s early 40s had a round face
6:11:51acne scars uh mustache
6:11:55pink boots
6:11:57so there's like a brown belt he's got it
6:11:59on his head he's wearing a jacket with
6:12:02like red he's got like a little tool
6:12:03belt too too but then he's got pink
6:12:06shoes on no that just I mean she then
6:12:08said sand cut it after but sand is not
6:12:10pink she's wearing pink in court many
6:12:12many days
6:12:14right
6:12:15thank you and apologetically authentic
6:12:18for reminding everyone to leave their
6:12:20DNA on that thumbs up
6:12:23thank you why why do I need to do that
6:12:26just so that it it helps to boost the
6:12:28video the stream into the algorithm
6:12:30that's what it does and then other
6:12:32people if you guys like it other people
6:12:34will be shown the stream and they can
6:12:36decide if they want to join or not too
6:12:38they will have more people chatting here
6:12:39with us
6:12:40okay so she put the gun
6:12:44back that he had
6:12:46that's weird that whole story we know
6:12:49the whole story makes no sense but
6:12:50especially that it's just like
6:12:52so he attacked you and then
6:12:55I say to you twice and you blacked out
6:12:58remember then later it's not in this so
6:13:00I don't know if she'll say it here but
6:13:01there's this she data changed her story
6:13:03to this being Quincy Brown and he he was
6:13:06basically in like a pen suit at that
6:13:08time and then out of his pocket slipped
6:13:10a business card and it said Quincy Brown
6:13:12on the business card so that this whole
6:13:14story we just heard it changes later
6:13:16anyway
6:13:19um and so let's just quickly look at
6:13:20this
6:13:21she said she had her headphones still on
6:13:23her head she's talking about ones like
6:13:24the ones I'm wearing but beats ones
6:13:27what
6:13:28and then when they say oh really like
6:13:29how many do you have like what color and
6:13:31she's like uh like making she can't even
6:13:33keep a story straight about headphones
6:13:38she was trying to describe the color
6:13:39when they're like what color is yours
6:13:40what color is else and then she's like
6:13:42um
6:13:43is it noise canceling doesn't even know
6:13:46can't even answer that properly
6:13:52Janet Murphy's like pink boots
6:13:53construction worker it's one of the
6:13:55Village People
6:13:56sure she makes up a lot I've never seen
6:13:58someone lie like this have you guys ever
6:14:00seen someone lie like this I know we've
6:14:02seen a lot of liars that commit crimes
6:14:04but my word
6:14:06this one she really she takes the cake
6:14:10okay let's see what else I got here for
6:14:12you
6:14:13she was oh yeah she was blaming L for
6:14:17being anal about mileage so remember
6:14:19when she left her car the Tiguan at the
6:14:22airport and then she rented a car
6:14:25and then she was saying to L it's
6:14:29because she didn't want to put mileage
6:14:30on her car which made no sense and he
6:14:33was very worried about it and called the
6:14:35police and said look I didn't tell you
6:14:38this before but I'm telling you right
6:14:39now she rented a car it was very weird I
6:14:41don't know where her car is
6:14:42yes yeah you guys are like never in my
6:14:45life
6:14:46but now to the police she's saying
6:14:49that's his fault that he's the one
6:14:51that's anal about mileage and she keeps
6:14:53saying that he's gonna get so angry with
6:14:54her about all sorts of stuff like she's
6:14:55worried about mileage and even in that
6:14:58interview on the phone she's worried
6:14:59about a job
6:15:01not Gannon
6:15:04that says a lot of course of course
6:15:06we know in hindsight we know a lot right
6:15:07so yeah she was worried about losing a
6:15:10job on January 29th she gets that whiny
6:15:12voice uh I think she was talking to L on
6:15:14the phone and she's like yeah I don't
6:15:15know it won't be good if I lose this job
6:15:18wow okay
6:15:21yeah Michelle Bell said she couldn't
6:15:22keep going with the irrational decisions
6:15:23so she analyzed Ganon
6:15:27Jessica Jones says I agree some Jody
6:15:29area similarities
6:15:30a little bit huh
6:15:34there are some similarities there I get
6:15:36what you're saying
6:15:38except that was at least like uh
6:15:42a relation an intimate relationship
6:15:44right
6:15:45it does like attacking a child oh my
6:15:48word
6:15:49Leticia light t-shirt she did say
6:15:51Eduardo so that's why I say guardado
6:15:53because they asked her with the G she
6:15:54says yeah with a G
6:15:55so sometimes people say Eduardo but she
6:15:58says Eduardo with a G she thinks now she
6:16:01says she um cut the carpet
6:16:03with a box cutter but that it wasn't it
6:16:07couldn't cut deep enough so she got a
6:16:09stronger object to do it I worry about
6:16:12those words that sounds like there's
6:16:14half truths that she's
6:16:16telling us right
6:16:22Cherry says they both exist but have
6:16:24nothing to do with murdering Ganon
6:16:29yep blue bear artists that must have
6:16:31taken some courage by out to finally
6:16:33decide that he can't trust her I
6:16:34couldn't see him in court now I mean he
6:16:35might be there I just was looking and I
6:16:37couldn't see him in court now I think
6:16:39perhaps
6:16:41um he's like oh man you can't watch this
6:16:42anymore
6:16:43not sure though
6:16:48so
6:16:50wait what is she talking about a cold I
6:16:52wrote you a cold weather best oh that's
6:16:56what he was wearing a cold weather vest
6:16:58and she would give him a small donation
6:17:00of fifty dollars she said he's bringing
6:17:02rolls or scraps to fix the carpet so not
6:17:05only is he not getting paid properly
6:17:06he's going to get a little donation you
6:17:08know fifty dollars or so but he's also
6:17:09got to bring the scraps and the rolls of
6:17:11carpet what
6:17:12so she described him as a round face
6:17:14acne scars and mustache late at his
6:17:17early 40s
6:17:18um
6:17:19and when the Arthur to expand which is
6:17:21going to do more now she said she cannot
6:17:23block the memories out do I really have
6:17:26to talk about it again because I cannot
6:17:28block the memories out that's what she
6:17:29said
6:17:30then you don't have the ID like
6:17:32literally where's the dissociation
6:17:34where's the compartmentalization
6:17:37with dissociative identity disorder you
6:17:39compartmentalize trauma it's a trauma
6:17:42disorder it's a very
6:17:46strong coping mechanism
6:17:50so if she really had did she would say I
6:17:53don't know I just can't I have no idea
6:17:56can't access that trauma right now
6:17:59no clue you wouldn't be saying I don't
6:18:01really like my name so I like calling
6:18:02myself t-shirt no and you also wouldn't
6:18:05be saying that she she cannot block
6:18:07those memories out she's just dreaming
6:18:09about it literally she's describing PTSD
6:18:13but it seems like a fake one right
6:18:15because the whole Eduardo story
6:18:17she's describing PTSD but now defense is
6:18:20going I can't wait for the mental health
6:18:22experts Bring it on Bring it on I've
6:18:24done a lot of research on dissociative
6:18:26identity disorder because when I wrote
6:18:28the books for Ted Bundy John Wayne Gacy
6:18:32Jeffrey Dahmer and Eileen Munoz
6:18:35um actually across the board in serial
6:18:36killer cases they like to explore as a
6:18:40possibility it seems of them having
6:18:42dissociative identity disorder and some
6:18:45said that Ted Bundy had it I mean he was
6:18:48they practically called him a
6:18:49shape-shifter the way that he would
6:18:50change so drastically
6:18:53especially when talking about the
6:18:54murders it would scare the crap out of
6:18:56people so some mental health
6:18:58professionals were like whoa like this
6:19:00guy has the ID and same with John Wayne
6:19:02Gacy he actually claimed that he had it
6:19:04and some experts agreed that he did
6:19:07so that was interesting so I did a real
6:19:09deep dive I love psychology topics I
6:19:13love all mental health topics I'm very
6:19:15passionate about mental health and yes
6:19:17not stigmatizing
6:19:19yes morticia's like I don't want to
6:19:22stigmatize anything I'm just going to
6:19:23one day at the trial be like I've got
6:19:25the ID oh yeah right anyway
6:19:27but I personally
6:19:29um I'm always sensitive to you know
6:19:32people stigmatizing disorders Gotta Get
6:19:34the facts straight bullet points all
6:19:36that there's a there's a manual for it
6:19:37you know with all the bullet points yeah
6:19:39Leticia no defense need to read that a
6:19:41little bit
6:19:42so when she said cannot block memory
6:19:45side sorry but there you go
6:19:47what are the mental health professionals
6:19:49gonna say about that hmm
6:19:52anyway she talked about taking two now
6:19:55some of you might know the name of that
6:19:57medication better than me but to me it
6:19:58sounded like the other name for Xanax
6:20:02she took two anxiety pills but then she
6:20:05said she was panicking so she took more
6:20:06than she usually would so initially she
6:20:08said two then she said more than she
6:20:10usually would and as Jeanette pointed
6:20:12out that's probably
6:20:15she's probably saying that for a reason
6:20:17because they might find that some of the
6:20:19medication is
6:20:20lacking in the house missing more if she
6:20:23thought like you know she's thinking
6:20:24ahead she's trying to stay 10 steps
6:20:26ahead and we know that Gannon had
6:20:27hydrocodone
6:20:29and some other uh meds in his system so
6:20:32that's a worry
6:20:34okay and the rest is just me calculating
6:20:36things yes I was busy doodling what
6:20:39she's describing Eduardo as
6:20:42yeah literally she's like this is what's
6:20:44in her mind while she is describing him
6:20:47the way she does all of her
6:20:50you know she's like like a little belt
6:20:52on his head and then he's got like you
6:20:54know like those acne scars yeah there we
6:20:55go lorazepam
6:20:59okay okay wait
6:21:02like mental health topics all the
6:21:04medication names I don't know so well
6:21:05lorazepam
6:21:10sold under the brand name Ativan among
6:21:13others are used as a benzo oh okay
6:21:15benzoids used to treat anxiety disorders
6:21:17okay
6:21:18it's
6:21:23Xanax okay I wasn't far off I was yeah
6:21:26okay Xanax Alprazolam and Ativan the
6:21:29razopam are both intermediate acting
6:21:32benzo medications
6:21:34okay oh you love the drawing I'll put a
6:21:37picture of it on patreon okay if you
6:21:39guys want to see it
6:21:40yeah I was just doodling Edward I'm like
6:21:42sorry basically just trying to visualize
6:21:44like there's a belt on his head jacket
6:21:46cold weather jacket cold weather vest
6:21:49red
6:21:50and then she doesn't describe any pants
6:21:53but pink boots yeah okay
6:21:57yeah
6:22:00OMG he's a Mayan
6:22:07says you've mentioned self-care and love
6:22:09can you expound on your expanding on my
6:22:12processes
6:22:14that would be I would need hours
6:22:17I would need many hours for that yes
6:22:20okay so what time did they say they're
6:22:21coming back do they say quarter past or
6:22:2320 past I think they say 20 past right
6:22:27okay let's see what you guys are saying
6:22:28so those are the notes I took so far
6:22:29wish us all luck with the next um
6:22:32because they're coming back at
6:22:34Denver time now 20 past three right
6:22:37it's coming it's quarter past three now
6:22:39normally they would finish Court by
6:22:40around
6:22:41five right so I don't know how they're
6:22:43gonna finish this video good luck
6:22:45I think that's why the defense was like
6:22:48yeah this is going to take all the way
6:22:50into Friday morning
6:22:53so there's no court on a Thursday in
6:22:54case you didn't know yet it's Mondays
6:22:56for this case for this case this trial
6:22:57Mondays Tuesdays Wednesdays and Fridays
6:23:00the judge attends to other cases on a
6:23:03Thursday okay so there's no
6:23:05um day we're on day seven now day eight
6:23:08will be on Friday
6:23:10give me a fright
6:23:11they gave me a pride here we are
6:23:14okay we're back in court
6:23:27Griffin
6:24:06thank you
6:24:27all right for the jury please
6:24:58thank you may all be seated report will
6:25:00recall it's like 20 cr1358 versus
6:25:03Leticia Stout when we took our brake
6:25:05mirror into this for the video uh
6:25:07interview of the defendant that's where
6:25:09we will resume prosecution
6:25:13thank you
6:25:26and we're back
6:25:30you know you said you worked with like a
6:25:34big things and stuff before but
6:25:46hard to tell someone about people like
6:25:48coaching sure I get that
6:26:01and I just I just need like not not
6:26:04realize that right now
6:26:07can I get a little bit
6:26:09like you want to take a take a break I
6:26:13just
6:26:15you're wanting me to give you
6:26:17I think played by slave basically of
6:26:22an assault is very hard for you to ask
6:26:24them to do okay that's not like me
6:26:27explaining how to play a game
6:26:30it's very difficult
6:26:32to explain what you remember well and we
6:26:35can take it slowly and and and you can
6:26:38tell me what you remember what happened
6:26:40and stuff like that you know I want to
6:26:42make sure that you're okay and I want to
6:26:46try and find Ganon right right okay so
6:26:49the more details that I have the better
6:26:52it is that I'm going to be able to try
6:26:54and help you and to try and help you in
6:26:56it okay for me telling you about an
6:26:59assault on me is
6:27:02not going to get like
6:27:04a faster result unless they like
6:27:06actually put some action into it you
6:27:09know
6:27:10what do you mean like I don't know like
6:27:13action and is it too late to like check
6:27:16your body I mean is it no no it's not
6:27:19like those type of things it's not too
6:27:21late at all actually no it's not and if
6:27:24you want to do that we can actually
6:27:25absolutely get that set up so that we
6:27:28can make that happen
6:27:29so it's it's definitely not too busy
6:27:31like a private like area or like habits
6:27:35that were
6:27:36so um what it's it's called a sane exam
6:27:39and they're done by uh forensic nurses
6:27:42okay at the hospital okay so it's like
6:27:45in an actual people what's known that's
6:27:47what you're there for
6:27:48and so I mean well obviously the nurses
6:27:50would but not like just whoever else is
6:27:53in the hospital wow and so
6:27:56um because it is like a
6:27:58um
6:27:59because it's a forensic thing and
6:28:01because it's part of a criminal case you
6:28:03know obviously this person who assaulted
6:28:05you you know so that we could gather
6:28:07evidence then to make sure that you know
6:28:10when we find them that we can prosecute
6:28:13them and stuff like that we would want
6:28:15to take you over there to the hospital
6:28:17and we get the forensic nurse to come
6:28:20and talk to you okay and then
6:28:23um they have paperwork to go over with
6:28:26you just like any other kind of like
6:28:27bureaucracy or anything else like that
6:28:29right
6:28:31um and they get your permission to
6:28:32gather that evidence from you and to do
6:28:34an exam okay and then and they're all
6:28:37female all the nurses so
6:28:40um and you know they have their process
6:28:42that they go through and they collect
6:28:44all that evidence and then that's turned
6:28:45over to us
6:28:47so it's not too late at all
6:28:50so that was my
6:28:52but we need to know what happened
6:28:55because just like if
6:28:58you know like and this is just like a
6:29:00totally Off the Wall example but like if
6:29:05your kid comes in and tells you yeah hey
6:29:08Mommy I'm I'm hurt because yeah I fell
6:29:11down well you need to know
6:29:14where they fell and how they fell and
6:29:16whatnot so you can help them but that's
6:29:19the easy uh right easy thing that when
6:29:22you're doing several different things in
6:29:25your brain and not to mention or being
6:29:27violated physically it's hard to give
6:29:29that specific you know details I
6:29:33remember is all pushing me in the room I
6:29:35remember having my head hit I remember
6:29:38those things sure and and what I'd like
6:29:40I remember my wounds getting taken off
6:29:43okay okay but I don't want to be telling
6:29:46just got to take out that I don't want
6:29:47to be on that and that's not what I
6:29:50would tell that to like a nurse you know
6:29:52in the specific so that that could
6:29:55assist in the process but I maybe I
6:29:58would I say I would but I don't know
6:29:59it's a hard
6:30:02the hard thing to be like okay you're
6:30:03offensive baby remember this you
6:30:04remember that like that
6:30:06sure and and really we just we need to
6:30:09know like The Narrative of it and there
6:30:11will be some stuff that I would ask
6:30:13specifics of and if you remember you
6:30:15remember and if you don't you don't or
6:30:17what you can say is you know
6:30:20well I remember that but I don't want to
6:30:22say
6:30:23no I'm not trying to not tell you
6:30:26anything exactly
6:30:28it's just a hard process I guess maybe
6:30:31I'm thinking you're asking too much
6:30:33details then maybe I'm overthinking what
6:30:35you're asking me so do you want me to
6:30:36like
6:30:38like I said do a play about the way of
6:30:39what I remember like as far as like
6:30:41losing like we'll just start at the
6:30:43beginning and tell me what happened okay
6:30:48um so when he pushed me into the room
6:30:51okay I remember like the like a battle
6:30:54process of like you know like back and
6:30:57forth uh you know like that type of
6:31:00thing I remember that type of thing tell
6:31:02me more about that the battle back and
6:31:04forth well if someone
6:31:07he's not much bigger than me so it's not
6:31:11like it was a big powerful person that
6:31:13because I mean I feel like I'm I'm
6:31:15fairly kind of a little strong
6:31:17um so it wasn't a your fear of being on
6:31:20the ground it was uh you know like a
6:31:23getting like leave around the room uh I
6:31:27don't I don't really remember like which
6:31:28direction I after I hit my head the
6:31:31first time that's when it started to
6:31:33leave
6:31:34a little blur into into what was
6:31:37happening there okay so and remind me
6:31:40what was it that you remember hitting
6:31:42your head on that first time I think I
6:31:45want to say it was that red and black
6:31:47table I'm sorry red and blue table that
6:31:49was in the red and blue table I feel
6:31:52like it was the red blue table that was
6:31:54again in the room because I remember
6:31:55like going back and hit my head
6:31:58and what and you
6:32:03feel like it was
6:32:04well there was a couple like the ground
6:32:06was the was the Victoria but I was also
6:32:10fighting back so I don't want you to
6:32:13think that it would have been some sort
6:32:15of and I did
6:32:16I did have like I was gonna like show
6:32:19you guys have the balls in there a
6:32:20little bit concerned with a little
6:32:21something fresh but I did have
6:32:24um the ability to push back some because
6:32:27he wouldn't like overpowering that
6:32:29it was just like two years ago I'm sure
6:32:32that sounds awful to say but of course
6:32:33so when you got pushed into the room
6:32:38where and you got pushed like you guys
6:32:41are doing this battle back and forth and
6:32:43you hit your head
6:32:45did you end up on the ground first I
6:32:47don't remember I'm sorry okay
6:32:50I don't I just remember hitting my head
6:32:52and
6:32:53and
6:32:54I remember the next time I hit my head
6:32:56the second time that he came back after
6:32:58me and tried again so there was a couple
6:33:00of times that I kind of was in and out
6:33:03of it and not to mention I had taken
6:33:06Lorazepam a little extra than usual you
6:33:09know
6:33:11you know a little bit
6:33:14I don't know like I did not know I'm
6:33:17like but it was
6:33:19zoned out a little bit sure
6:33:23um
6:33:25it was almost like I was at like blacked
6:33:27out
6:33:28okay
6:33:29because it is one of the things where I
6:33:31could like hear what was going on but I
6:33:34kind of but I didn't like know what was
6:33:35going on or vice versa what do you
6:33:38remember feeling
6:33:41there is not like
6:33:43like pain as far as like your your email
6:33:47part I feel like the pain was on the
6:33:51struggle of like your body was tired
6:33:53okay so like it's higher in trying to
6:33:56like you're brain feeling you don't give
6:33:58in but your body just
6:34:01in the tired mode
6:34:03okay and that was
6:34:06it was more of like an I just almost
6:34:08it's almost like I I was given up but
6:34:12I wasn't you know like what Once We Were
6:34:19you know
6:34:23I I can't I can't talk about
6:34:27um
6:34:28so do you
6:34:29are you saying like once the did you
6:34:33penetrate you
6:34:36okay
6:34:46I remember my clothes coming at all
6:34:51now my top part okay
6:34:54remember the bottom plate and I don't
6:34:55remember if this was the first time
6:34:58for on the second time which wasn't a
6:35:00successful time
6:35:02um
6:35:03I remember my post going off like on the
6:35:07bottom and I never had on my top call
6:35:09and
6:35:12I remember I was pushing like like
6:35:14pushing back sure and
6:35:19then I like out of my mind
6:35:22it was almost like a little blur because
6:35:24I hit my hand again
6:35:27like you know you're like trying to push
6:35:29up like to pushing on your off and you
6:35:31get pushed back down here hit your head
6:35:33okay and then
6:35:38I kind of love it
6:35:42yeah
6:35:44he did it like
6:35:47I'm not gonna here's the thing is that
6:35:49this this conversation like what we talk
6:35:51about is not I'm not going to run and
6:35:53talk to your husband about or hurt his
6:35:55ex-wife or or anything else like that
6:35:57okay
6:35:59I don't want to give in because I wasn't
6:36:01it wasn't I didn't agree to it but I
6:36:05point it feels like I I did give in okay
6:36:09and
6:36:11um
6:36:12thank you for telling me that we
6:36:14appreciate that
6:36:18um
6:36:19when you say
6:36:22that you gave in and that he completed
6:36:24it
6:36:26do you I don't I don't remember about
6:36:29when I say completed I mean as in
6:36:32I was able to like
6:36:35like I had that bowl of energy
6:36:39get up again you know
6:36:41I don't I don't know if there was like
6:36:43completed I don't and I don't I can't
6:36:45I'm not wanting to think about that
6:36:49so I'm not asking if you like ejaculated
6:36:51or anything like that that wasn't my
6:36:54script I'm sorry so I thought so my
6:36:56question is did he put his penis in your
6:36:58vagina right yes okay do you know
6:37:03okay
6:37:05okay that question
6:37:07um
6:37:09and that was when you were on the ground
6:37:12okay and you said that he was pushing
6:37:14you down what part of your body was
6:37:16being pushed down remember
6:37:18okay so you said that like you kind of
6:37:20like came back up at some point I I
6:37:23don't I don't remember okay
6:37:25I don't want to give you wrong
6:37:27information about
6:37:29step by step about my body being
6:37:31violated
6:37:33I don't think that's fair like I don't
6:37:35think that's
6:37:37and then every time I have to keep
6:37:39saying to you like
6:37:41the fact that you have to do that to you
6:37:43again and that's to take it to you again
6:37:46difficult
6:37:47was there
6:37:50anywhere else that you were penetrated
6:37:53no beginning area
6:37:56anywhere else on your body
6:38:00yeah no okay
6:38:04um
6:38:06and then at some point
6:38:09it ended
6:38:11okay
6:38:12um what happened next after it ended
6:38:15but it didn't end at that direct moment
6:38:19because remember again and then
6:38:21like tell me about that Santa goes in to
6:38:23like jump on him okay to like kind of
6:38:26help me out okay and so I don't remember
6:38:28anything from like laying back and I
6:38:31remember that I could like hear
6:38:35that man and I came in okay back in here
6:38:39that he knew
6:38:42this is not what you're supposed to do
6:38:45yeah like Anna was aware that someone
6:38:47was was trying to harm me okay he might
6:38:50not have understood the complete
6:38:53in essence of it but he understood
6:38:55someone within our home and wasn't
6:38:56supposed to ignore what he was doing
6:38:59okay right okay I mean our home is we're
6:39:02very open we're always like
6:39:04we talk about like oh you don't have a
6:39:07girlfriend you don't be listening to
6:39:08your marriage so he's very aware of you
6:39:11know like that's not how things happen
6:39:13sure um so he came in at that point in
6:39:17time and then I do remember that Gannon
6:39:20was
6:39:21like I don't remember I don't say throne
6:39:23but like
6:39:24he can't jump on a big guy that's a big
6:39:28guy to him you know five six seven eight
6:39:31ish is a big guide head sure because it
6:39:35was something and I don't remember from
6:39:37there I just remember that Gana tried to
6:39:39jump on him and I remember Gannon was
6:39:41over here
6:39:42at this point in time and then it was
6:39:45just
6:39:46it was just kind of like a blur about
6:39:48what happened but I do remember after it
6:39:50and when I say finish I don't mean what
6:39:52you're asking me about exactly and I do
6:39:54remember what that was like getting oh
6:39:56[Music]
6:39:57my situation so he that was when he had
6:40:01the gun again and afterwards not
6:40:04necessarily at him but had I had the gun
6:40:06and had gained okay can you tell me more
6:40:09about that so he I don't I I just know
6:40:12that
6:40:14in in in the way he had him was kind of
6:40:18not necessarily at like a like a here or
6:40:21if I had the ability to show you it was
6:40:23more of like uh okay it was more of like
6:40:26a
6:40:30more like a just wrapped around but like
6:40:32Gannon didn't when he recognizing
6:40:35like the gun he wasn't trying to at that
6:40:37point fight and fight back to him he was
6:40:40just crying like to me like to help him
6:40:44and so that's why
6:40:46I made the decision to try to send the
6:40:50other the other kids somewhere else this
6:40:52is what if I would have ran for help at
6:40:56that point in time I had every
6:40:57opportunity to run for helping
6:41:01and I'm not a good enough
6:41:04computer to like or really don't
6:41:07to like run go he's like I'm gonna shoot
6:41:09somebody you know because I don't what
6:41:12else I've been doing so I'm just not my
6:41:15mom I wasn't thinking that of
6:41:17trying to create harm if I made a den
6:41:21position okay and that was
6:41:23probably where I should have done some
6:41:26sneaky technique of I thought about it
6:41:29after I should have like gave Lena a
6:41:31letter you know or or something like
6:41:33that and said hey go to the mailbox take
6:41:36the neighbor's letter like just the time
6:41:38I thought about actor but I didn't think
6:41:41about it at the time okay so when you
6:41:45were on the ground and and Gannon came
6:41:47in what do you remember hearing
6:41:49him yelling what was he yelling like he
6:41:53was yelling my name like directly
6:41:55specifically at me as in like Gannon was
6:41:59yeah like what does he call you he goes
6:42:02well I just remember I told you about my
6:42:03name thing yeah
6:42:06he was like saying are you okay okay and
6:42:08then that's when you realize that wasn't
6:42:09like not that I wasn't but you realized
6:42:12that was kind of like in and out of it
6:42:13and what were you saying I was like
6:42:16immediately like doing the first part
6:42:19was doing the first time was doing the
6:42:21push back like get off of me get off
6:42:22them
6:42:23so I wasn't said that but I wasn't
6:42:25communicating with you okay like I
6:42:28wasn't
6:42:29saying again and go you know do this
6:42:32specifically or like I didn't say like
6:42:34run go do it I didn't say anything the
6:42:37record that I recall
6:42:39okay now maybe I did that I recall
6:42:41wasn't
6:42:42specific Direction
6:42:44you know to to guide him an immigration
6:42:47that was more of what about okay about
6:42:49it was like like a back and forth thing
6:42:51instead of being
6:42:53but I and that but at that point I do
6:42:55remember like when I was down and you
6:42:57kind of get like that little Concrete
6:42:59where your head jars back a little bit
6:43:00where your uh heads are back a little
6:43:03bit
6:43:04um it kind of made me a little
6:43:07like busy a little bit and was the man
6:43:09saying anything I don't remember
6:43:11anything but noises what kind of
6:43:13annoying was dear River
6:43:15[Music]
6:43:17I I can't guess that's that's the thing
6:43:20right so like I can't put words in your
6:43:22mouth I can't guess so I know like
6:43:30I'm sure
6:43:32like I'm sorry
6:43:34pleasure noises
6:43:36no matter how to describe it like a
6:43:38pleasure noises but
6:43:41okay
6:43:46and so
6:43:48he's making pleasure noises
6:43:51and then Gannon comes in and yells your
6:43:54name
6:43:55what does that I mean I don't remember
6:43:56since then we just came and yelled my
6:43:58name or be guilt first but okay what
6:44:00does the man do I just it was more of
6:44:02like a voice but he was
6:44:05[Music]
6:44:07recital okay
6:44:11kinda
6:44:14like they kind of look like he's moving
6:44:16okay obviously we've got to put more
6:44:21moving
6:44:23we gotta put more like Forest on your
6:44:26body
6:44:29and that
6:44:31this is when I'm starting to cry
6:44:34because it was like a given up
6:44:36because I could give it up tight moment
6:44:39I'm sorry that you are upset by that and
6:44:42it was just
6:44:45because what I mean
6:44:46why do you say to do at that point sure
6:44:50you can keep trying to fight
6:44:54but they're already taking something
6:44:55from me that you only have personally
6:44:57with yourself
6:45:00jerk
6:45:03foreign
6:45:04do you remember
6:45:07um
6:45:08Dan saying anything else
6:45:10other than your name
6:45:14I know he was calling to help at some
6:45:16point
6:45:17and I think that would have been when he
6:45:19had I don't remember oh gosh
6:45:23I don't remember like any
6:45:26um
6:45:27anything other than Ellie I think I feel
6:45:30like I remember the second
6:45:32I think I remember around the second
6:45:33second time of the battle you could say
6:45:35and get off over there okay but I don't
6:45:38I'm telling you when I tell you that and
6:45:40I hope to God that you were never in
6:45:42that situation right
6:45:45it just it's just almost like a blurb
6:45:47because you're so disappointed in your
6:45:50like a
6:45:52emotional feel like your self-worth cure
6:45:55how you feel about yourself sure like
6:45:58for nothing
6:46:01what did you smell when this was
6:46:02happening I definitely I was going to
6:46:04say that to you I forgot to
6:46:10I could smell like a sort of a very uh
6:46:14um
6:46:15strong like um
6:46:17paint or like a
6:46:21almost like a paint like someone had
6:46:23been painting or like they were around a
6:46:25house that might have had
6:46:27um the drywall
6:46:30almost like it was like at work
6:46:32though like you do you're doing this
6:46:35like the drywall are you talking about
6:46:36like paint or like the texture or smell
6:46:38yeah the powder of the drywall you know
6:46:41how like you sand it has like that that
6:46:43smell like I could smell
6:46:46and that part on them but I feel like at
6:46:49one point I thought I smelled alcohol
6:46:51okay and
6:46:53um
6:46:55you said that your ex
6:46:58Harley's dad did drywall so the drywall
6:47:01smell is something that you would be
6:47:02familiar with
6:47:04um he either would have did it a while
6:47:06like a while ago sure um but I you know
6:47:11like
6:47:12in our home and things like that I'm
6:47:14pretty I don't want to say like you know
6:47:17a lot about drywall but just from being
6:47:19around the work sites growing up you
6:47:21might think about with him I was young
6:47:22when I was with him I remember a lot
6:47:25about
6:47:26you know drywall in general so sure um I
6:47:30don't know if it's specifically drywall
6:47:32is more of like a like a sandpaper-ish
6:47:34no okay thank you
6:47:37did you smell anything else you said you
6:47:39smelled alcohol at one point I remember
6:47:41smelling like a not like a deep strong
6:47:45alcohol smell what I would
6:47:49um have like a sense of alcohol
6:48:00and it kind of was like a
6:48:06I don't know
6:48:10like almost like a fetish like a soft
6:48:13little pipe smell I remember at one
6:48:15point okay
6:48:16okay
6:48:18I'm like you walk into a restaurant
6:48:22and
6:48:23that
6:48:27um
6:48:28what do you remember feeling on your
6:48:30back
6:48:31just a couple of days before the I have
6:48:35been having like a lot of uh lower back
6:48:39pains like already so it took
6:48:43that like paint away you know it's
6:48:46almost like it was the same because I'm
6:48:49getting pushed back but I'm screening so
6:48:51it's almost like a like I felt a little
6:48:53bit of nerve but I didn't feel like I
6:48:55didn't have any
6:48:57Haze of the back pain oh back to this it
6:48:59wasn't like that I I knew that there was
6:49:01nerve being
6:49:05depicted or you know changed in some
6:49:07Direction
6:49:11but it was water
6:49:16[Music]
6:49:18and just remind me
6:49:21um you went upstairs and told Lena to go
6:49:25away basically to keep her safe and then
6:49:27you came back down and that was when he
6:49:29had Gannon or he had Gannon before he
6:49:31did that
6:49:32you mean like when you said that he had
6:49:34his arm wrapped around right so once he
6:49:37had him once I came back because
6:49:53because there was the first ring that
6:49:55wasn't
6:49:56um
6:49:57there wasn't anybody on the ranger there
6:50:00was no one there
6:50:01um because I think I went up and down up
6:50:03and down or maybe I don't remember if I
6:50:06went up one time and down or up one time
6:50:09twice I don't remember okay exactly but
6:50:11I remember there was two alerts
6:50:14um or two uh triggers
6:50:16um due to the door you know and and I
6:50:19was like
6:50:21yeah so it's two triggers I mean it was
6:50:23two times because the first time there
6:50:25was nobody there okay there was no there
6:50:27must have something must have said it
6:50:29all said no yeah so and then there was
6:50:32this Elena was the next
6:50:34um
6:50:35the next trigger okay I but I knew the
6:50:38next one was Lena because I knew the
6:50:40timing
6:50:41always perfect and you can hear from our
6:50:44house when the book hits its breaks okay
6:50:46so I didn't have to go look at an app or
6:50:49anything without because I knew that you
6:50:52know timing was just the same as normal
6:50:54you know that you can hear this is right
6:50:57there you can hear you know kids are on
6:51:00the way like that type of thing and sure
6:51:08you know I had the conversation with her
6:51:11just like it was a normal
6:51:13a normal day but then that's why because
6:51:15I didn't want to be like here go
6:51:18I did quickly say here go whatever but I
6:51:21wanted to not just open the door like
6:51:23here or right now okay I had to at least
6:51:25make a 30 second one minute you know
6:51:29maybe I'm maybe I'm exaggerating one
6:51:30minute but 30 second dialogue
6:51:34um of here I need to go no okay or here
6:51:37goes you know so you think I'd like to
6:51:39buy it for sure
6:51:40because later on
6:51:43you know she was I knew she was gonna
6:51:44have to eat back at some point and I
6:51:46figured just that later on she was
6:51:47eating
6:51:48I figured out another time she smacked I
6:51:50was worried about getting her
6:51:51out and about that time
6:51:55um
6:51:57when I'm sorry I should have given her a
6:51:59note
6:52:01I should I should have given her a note
6:52:02we don't you know we don't need to go
6:52:05into like what you should have done or
6:52:07shouldn't have done or anything else
6:52:08like that you know
6:52:09um
6:52:10things are never perfect and we can we
6:52:13can beat ourselves up for a hundred
6:52:15years about things we should have done
6:52:16right right okay so that's that's not
6:52:19I'm not here to judge you or or anything
6:52:21else like that I'm here to understand
6:52:22what happens right and try and gather as
6:52:25much as we can so that we can help you
6:52:27and we can help find Canon okay
6:52:31um when when the attack was going on
6:52:33downstairs you said you got hit your
6:52:36head got hit a couple of times where you
6:52:37hit anywhere else
6:52:44sure like
6:52:46were you were you playing I don't
6:52:49remember that I don't remember being hit
6:52:51anywhere else okay do you have any
6:52:53injuries I don't have like uh any
6:52:57specific injuries here because I was
6:52:58grabbing like this like okay like
6:53:01pushing up most of it usually with my
6:53:03kids I don't think trauma but hey
6:53:07okay
6:53:15um and then like and then I did like
6:53:17have
6:53:19like a look like this about a little
6:53:21like right there was like bleeding okay
6:53:24and then my nails
6:53:25um I know they look crazy now but um
6:53:27they were and then of course that was
6:53:29the landmark so that was it you know my
6:53:32nose where that became when I get
6:53:33nervous you know like I
6:53:36I don't know we'll do whatever but that
6:53:39would have been some
6:53:40of me okay yeah so you go upstairs tell
6:53:45Lena to go and then you go back
6:53:47downstairs right and he still has DNN
6:53:50what happens next
6:53:52foreign
6:54:01do what you need to do so like
6:54:07if he was the first time my body
6:54:10and then
6:54:12he has CNN
6:54:14and I don't want to make sure you got
6:54:16hurt so I don't care anything right now
6:54:18oh that's when he was asking
6:54:21well he wasn't asking me he was
6:54:23demanding uh different things you know
6:54:27even demanding like
6:54:29that I I probably didn't say that
6:54:31earlier but I do remember that now he
6:54:33was like demanding things from me he was
6:54:36a man to me that I was not to say
6:54:38anything that
6:54:40there will be consequences he didn't say
6:54:43the word there were consequences but it
6:54:45was in a a louder tone of direction of
6:54:48saying what what exactly did he say I
6:54:50don't remember exactly I just remember
6:54:52there was some sort of you you gotta
6:54:55make sure you don't tell anyone at the
6:54:56door
6:54:57you know and I had common sense enough
6:54:59to know if he had gain and Heather gun
6:55:01that I'm not gonna sure make a stupid
6:55:03decision so coming back down
6:55:06um at that point in time I remember
6:55:09being like what like
6:55:10I don't remember if I was there supposed
6:55:12to reading or asking Deanna was saying
6:55:16Help
6:55:18I didn't have a weapon I couldn't just
6:55:20go grab and hurt him so somehow I don't
6:55:25remember exactly what we end up being in
6:55:28again like being in a commotion again
6:55:33um and that's the second time that he
6:55:36was attempting
6:55:38um the try and that's when I kind of
6:55:41went completely a blackout and I don't
6:55:43remember
6:55:44you know
6:55:45oh yeah I remember I told you it was
6:55:48demanding uh different things and I gave
6:55:51him a brown suitcase
6:55:54um
6:55:55I gave him a box that was in the room
6:55:59um could be acne female he demanded
6:56:04the brown suitcase okay the demand the
6:56:06brown one he demanded the APK and I just
6:56:08gave him
6:56:09the browser case okay and in my mind I
6:56:14didn't
6:56:16you know I didn't know can you describe
6:56:18the suitcase for me I I don't remember I
6:56:20just remember there was we have like 10.
6:56:22okay it's remembered the brown is it
6:56:25like a do they checked bag a carry-on
6:56:27bag yeah maybe like oh I got 27 inches
6:56:31maybe
6:56:33because like when you would check not
6:56:35one yeah I can't check 27 and you can
6:56:37only check 20.1
6:56:39so so checked is the ones that like you
6:56:42you give to them like that it can't be
6:56:47over 21
6:56:49um Spinners or whatever can't be over 20
6:56:51it has to be over 21. it doesn't have
6:56:52the original check but if it's number 21
6:56:54it can't be a curious
6:57:03whatever and I thought he was gonna put
6:57:06things in her home and like take all of
6:57:10our stuff and like our anything that
6:57:13needed I learned some like paste the
6:57:15guns
6:57:16what did he do with it and take you know
6:57:18like I I don't know I provided
6:57:22what he asked for or demanded and then
6:57:25we got into it again because we were
6:57:28sort of yelling and I don't remember
6:57:31what we were yelling about but it was
6:57:34just anything I could do I give you this
6:57:37I give you this take everything and we
6:57:40just whatever you know and
6:57:43okay and you said that he wanted a box
6:57:46yeah he um that was one of the things
6:57:49that I'm trying to remember that
6:57:51um and I that's what I said I thought he
6:57:53was going to attack her like whatever
6:57:55there was in her home originally I
6:57:57didn't think that he was in our home to
6:58:00take you know I told you I didn't think
6:58:02he's gonna have to take something
6:58:03because oh you know
6:58:05I'm done but at that point I thought he
6:58:08was gonna
6:58:09Clean us out with a recipe take whatever
6:58:13he could like steal things yeah like
6:58:14steal things from us because
6:58:17you can if you're in north and ranch and
6:58:20you're like oh I'm going to the airport
6:58:22wait
6:58:23he doesn't look like you're walking out
6:58:25the front door with a TV you see the
6:58:27fans right but that was my mindset of
6:58:29like oh so you think that he was gonna
6:58:31correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds
6:58:33like what you're telling me is you
6:58:34thought you was going to take stuff from
6:58:36your house and put it in the suitcase in
6:58:38the box right it looked like he was
6:58:40going to the airport yeah like he was
6:58:42stealing yeah yeah and now I think it's
6:58:44typically the airport but like it looked
6:58:46like they're making Scrabble yeah so
6:58:48like in my mind I'm just thinking he's
6:58:50about to see me style but I don't really
6:58:51care thank you everything
6:58:53sure right he wants to take that was
6:58:56like in my mindset and then I remember
6:58:58there was like talking or yelling or
6:59:01I don't remember how we got to part you
6:59:05knew the second part but I remember he
6:59:06he wasn't able to
6:59:08and of course then between all that I
6:59:11mean it was I wasn't running around
6:59:13naked I had to provide
6:59:16yeah back on sure
6:59:18I know and that was a awful feeling like
6:59:23I mean it wasn't like you know I just
6:59:26found Affairs and I had to
6:59:29like put myself back together what do
6:59:32you mean by put yourself like my pants
6:59:34like I couldn't if I were to show you up
6:59:36at the front door or whatever would you
6:59:39know rain or anyone
6:59:41I mean I do I walk around in like short
6:59:43shorts and all that but I'm saying like
6:59:45it would have been and like you say
6:59:47we're not going to go a lot of sugar but
6:59:48it could have put off alarm this is this
6:59:51is what you need or whatever whatever
6:59:53but
6:59:54um this is my daughter is enough if I
6:59:56just but her
7:00:07okay
7:00:16sure
7:00:17um Do You Remember
7:00:24um so can you can you describe the box
7:00:26for me
7:00:28the brown box I feel like a cardboard
7:00:30box yeah like a wooden box really it's
7:00:32like a metal like did it have stuff in
7:00:35it yeah probably not like there was
7:00:37nothing in it but it was just a regular
7:00:38like shipping boxes like that's why I
7:00:41mean that makes common sense
7:00:43I'm putting stuff in there and but he he
7:00:46could have easily have gotten that and
7:00:48stuff but he would have had to have
7:00:50written again and go but that you know
7:00:52that was his
7:00:54way to have control of the situation
7:00:56sure and where was where was that box at
7:00:58before you got it
7:01:00in the like in our storage room oh crap
7:01:02yeah and is that where the suitcase was
7:01:04as well or yeah I got the suitcase and
7:01:08the box and none of it say anything
7:01:11because I did things going to rob us
7:01:13like I say like take all of our stuff
7:01:15and I started out with
7:01:18being
7:01:19upset about me and Rob and then it was
7:01:21like taking anything too long
7:01:23it sounds really scary yeah it
7:01:26definitely is because in my mind I'm
7:01:28like but but I knew if I'm giving into
7:01:31the situation
7:01:34then
7:01:36I can get what you know like what I
7:01:38would put the result out of it which
7:01:40would have been uh every everybody would
7:01:43have been safe and he's going to get
7:01:45what he wants and
7:01:47their attention but
7:01:49we saw someone that he wanted to take
7:01:52advantage of
7:01:54do you give them the stuff
7:01:55there's another altercation and you said
7:01:58he couldn't and he kind of tread off
7:02:00yeah like you couldn't
7:02:02he couldn't at that point in time like
7:02:04like take my pants back off like the
7:02:08first time because it was because I was
7:02:11more of in a like
7:02:14I'm like lackadaisical uh being at that
7:02:17point because once we were like when I
7:02:19hit my head this the next time on the
7:02:21thing I think that hit from the first
7:02:23thought that I just I don't really
7:02:25remember after that right where was
7:02:28Bannon I don't really remember
7:02:32that's why that's where it kind of was
7:02:35everything from then was a blurring so
7:02:38there was we'd be telling you that was
7:02:41like what do you mean you don't know
7:02:43what happened after that and no one's
7:02:45going to you know understand that unless
7:02:47they're there in that moment that I
7:02:49don't remember that's not what I'm
7:02:51saying at all I have to ask the
7:02:52questions right because if I don't ask
7:02:54the questions then somebody later is
7:02:56going to be like well what happened what
7:02:58happened next where was he and I can't
7:03:01say well I didn't ask right like I have
7:03:04to ask the question I'm sorry I wasn't
7:03:05yeah like in general not specifically
7:03:08right so if I ask a question I'm not
7:03:10trying to like
7:03:12make you feel bad or anything else like
7:03:14that I'm just trying to understand and
7:03:15make sure that we cover everything right
7:03:16okay
7:03:18um so you say that um you hit your head
7:03:20again you kind of don't know what
7:03:23happened next
7:03:24do you remember or I guess can you tell
7:03:26me how this ended I just remember like
7:03:30being out of it but I could also
7:03:34like in my mind like I could hear
7:03:38you know like loud
7:03:41like loud banging you know but I I don't
7:03:45remember I couldn't see
7:03:48you're like what was going on or
7:03:52or anything like that I just
7:03:54like I could hear a little bit of a
7:03:57struggle but I don't I don't know what
7:03:59was going on okay
7:04:01and that for me is hard because
7:04:06I need to know like and I hope that I
7:04:09because like dreams are like maybe I'll
7:04:11dream and remember what was going on or
7:04:13maybe I'll have like a regulation
7:04:17reflection later well yeah I remember
7:04:19this but I clearly have been
7:04:23my brain to to to give it to you about
7:04:27like exactly what was happening sure and
7:04:30that sure at that point in time what
7:04:32what's the first thing you remember
7:04:34after the second semester after the
7:04:37attack the second attack
7:04:43I just remember being like where's Gina
7:04:46and I it's freaking out because I didn't
7:04:49know where he was at okay and
7:04:53I didn't see anything that would have
7:04:57told me
7:04:58and
7:05:00I thought I was hiding
7:05:03okay because I I thought maybe he was
7:05:07in the closet or you know somewhere
7:05:09hiding
7:05:10so that he knew
7:05:14you know like he would be okay like away
7:05:17or whatever I thought he was hiding okay
7:05:19what are your what was the first thing
7:05:21you did after this happened the I was
7:05:24calling his name because I did think he
7:05:26was fighting okay and I at that point in
7:05:30time once I realized that
7:05:33he wasn't hiding I went into that
7:05:38motive like okay I'm fixing
7:05:41help me understand how you understood
7:05:43that he wasn't hiding well because if I
7:05:46am saying to him
7:05:48to everything that I assumed that
7:05:51everything was I didn't see the guy in
7:05:53my like sight I'm assuming that he was
7:05:57hiding you know like in my mind like I
7:06:01didn't see the guy thing he's hiding so
7:06:03then I'm asking him
7:06:05now again where are you again we're
7:06:07gonna be the hiding because then I'm
7:06:08asking him
7:06:09you know again where are you again oh
7:06:11maybe he was
7:06:14somewhere hiding
7:06:16so that he knew
7:06:20you know like people will okay like away
7:06:23or whatever I thought he was Private
7:06:25okay what are your what was the first
7:06:27thing you did after this happened so you
7:06:29I was doing his name because I did think
7:06:32he was fighting right and at that point
7:06:35in time once I realized that
7:06:39he wasn't fighting
7:06:41I went into that
7:06:43load of like okay
7:06:47help me understand how you understood
7:06:49that he wasn't hiding well because if I
7:06:52am saying to him
7:06:54to everything that I assumed that
7:06:56everything was I didn't see the guy in
7:06:59my like type I'm assuming that he was
7:07:03hiding you know like
7:07:05you know my like I didn't see the guy so
7:07:08I was thinking he's hiding so then I'm
7:07:10asking him
7:07:11you know again where are you Daniel
7:07:12where are you okay so then I realized
7:07:14CNN would come out
7:07:16or again I can't say anything let me do
7:07:19different things and different kinds of
7:07:20what if Vienna was thought it would say
7:07:22but then in my mind to be honest with
7:07:26you when I said I'm gonna fix this I
7:07:28thought again it was too high so when
7:07:30the detective
7:07:32like
7:07:34um searched a home I really was hoping
7:07:36that that was
7:07:38that's what was going to happen and he
7:07:40had been scared to come out because he
7:07:41didn't know if it's sick or maybe if he
7:07:44was like you know had hit his head or
7:07:47something after what I don't remember
7:07:49but he could have been you know
7:07:52or hiding and maybe got I don't know I
7:07:55don't want to constantly think of how he
7:07:56could have maybe not being aware alert
7:07:59if I think my thought process was
7:08:01when the guy being played on trips for
7:08:03the fact that I was going to find him
7:08:04like we Biden that's what it really set
7:08:07in that
7:08:09but I didn't know where he was at has
7:08:11Gannon ever hid in the house before
7:08:14um not that I'm aware of I mean they
7:08:15played little like back and forth of
7:08:18like you know like five behind the sofa
7:08:20or like boo but it's only like you know
7:08:23a little bit of time
7:08:25um
7:08:26but in it and but we don't have
7:08:29like
7:08:32the violence of you know and theme
7:08:36another another man hurting someone so I
7:08:40thought I would think in that moment he
7:08:42would have been like okay but he wasn't
7:08:44you know promised to be like I'm gonna
7:08:47hide out but his personality is very
7:08:52now in
7:08:54like actually
7:08:56getting along with people and that type
7:09:00of thing so yeah I think that um
7:09:02somebody who talked to the school and
7:09:03like they've said that that he was
7:09:04pretty laid back and right quiet right
7:09:08and that would have been you know my oh
7:09:10again Dana wasn't on his medicine
7:09:12so he has a different
7:09:16um
7:09:17the way he acts was differently than we
7:09:21did
7:09:22sure so he would be able to ask her you
7:09:24know so that's why I was expected
7:09:27you know that he would have he had to
7:09:29come right out but they
7:09:31on his medicine he'd been like zoned out
7:09:34we've tried to make decisions
7:09:38um correctly because he would have been
7:09:40you just like that when he picked it
7:09:42didn't we can't do any sport like he has
7:09:45about like I mean reading all of every
7:09:47so my mind was thinking he didn't take
7:09:49his medicine
7:09:52what's his behavior like when he doesn't
7:09:53take his medicine
7:09:55um
7:09:55it's not bad like it used to be where
7:09:58you couldn't get in a focus on some
7:09:59music like if you went to church he
7:10:02could not get injured without
7:10:03electronics and none of that might have
7:10:05been a little bit local but
7:10:08um
7:10:10it was you needed something to have that
7:10:13attention for 2018 you needed something
7:10:15to have that on
7:10:16um so without it medicine he could
7:10:19and I kind of like on the hike we might
7:10:22run way up there and then
7:10:24you know there's like that much energy
7:10:27and is that what it was like on Sunday
7:10:30you mean the hike yeah
7:10:32it was like he had the book diverse his
7:10:35interview but then summons
7:10:48imagine like walking around sure
7:10:51that would be uncomfortable right pretty
7:10:53much anybody I think
7:10:56um
7:10:57what happened to the gun
7:10:58so okay so
7:11:00we're gone this is how I knew I didn't
7:11:02know in the time at the Village I I
7:11:05didn't know I didn't know the time ago I
7:11:07just assumed what colors that it was you
7:11:12know so remember I said that I put the
7:11:15stuff back in to Follows it I put
7:11:17everything back the way it was because
7:11:19obviously at that time
7:11:22and told them what had happened because
7:11:25I was in that mentality of I'm going to
7:11:26fix it so I put everything back
7:11:29in in the position that it was and he
7:11:32did not take the gun or
7:11:36he couldn't have because the gun was the
7:11:40gun when I left it would have been up
7:11:42there but I didn't bring it downstairs
7:11:44but that was our gun but that's how I
7:11:46knew for a fact that
7:11:48he had to have our gun or either he had
7:11:50it in the process of stealing it and
7:11:52somehow it fell and he maybe had another
7:11:54gun I'm not sure about that part but I
7:11:57do know that I took I put it back in it
7:11:59so where did you find your gun right
7:12:01this is the spirit was over and you said
7:12:05you were putting everything back where
7:12:06it belonged yeah where was it whenever
7:12:08you found it to put it away so like at
7:12:10the carpet because the carpet roll Beast
7:12:12has like fallen off so it was at the
7:12:14carpet okay and that was
7:12:16and you said the carpet was kind of
7:12:20like leaned against them leaned in but
7:12:22kind of had fell over coming out of that
7:12:24storage area right right because it was
7:12:26like I wonder if it was in like
7:12:31no no I want to say that the carpet had
7:12:33like not necess of multiple pieces but I
7:12:35remember like you did maybe different
7:12:37directions I don't remember but I feel
7:12:38like I saw different directions okay but
7:12:40yeah I had felt have fallen over but the
7:12:42gun was there
7:12:44I didn't even with that that's why I
7:12:47assumed in the situation that he was
7:12:48hiding okay I didn't think that there
7:12:51was a concern
7:12:52you know at the time that you know
7:12:57okay
7:12:59um
7:13:00describe for me what gannon's room looks
7:13:02like after this happened
7:13:04I just remember equipment
7:13:06putting things back together I say back
7:13:09together but like
7:13:11I remember we had I like
7:13:13I tried already like um
7:13:16like straighten out his room
7:13:19from before because I mean he had the
7:13:21like burning system and
7:13:24I do remember again it was oh I I do
7:13:27remember Dana was bleeding
7:13:29and I think from the upper would have
7:13:32been something with his arm okay but I
7:13:34do remember he was
7:13:37like he did have like gloves and stuff
7:13:39like that I do remember at some point
7:13:41that he was bleeding I just
7:13:45I want to say I remember he was on on me
7:13:50I felt like at some point in in that
7:13:53phantomato when the first time he might
7:13:55have like landed on me or somehow I was
7:13:58like
7:13:59closed in not just that old man but it's
7:14:02still like he was there okay
7:14:05so I had that like um like knew he was
7:14:09here but yeah
7:14:15taking advantage of correct and
7:14:19so but but yeah back to what you said
7:14:21about the reading so I put like
7:14:24everything
7:14:25you know
7:14:27back in a order you know I want to say
7:14:31that it might have been interesting
7:14:34or 20 minutes I don't know it would have
7:14:37had to been
7:14:39so it probably would have gotten off at
7:14:414 30. it might even been
7:14:44it might have even been a little bit
7:14:47longer that I remember being out of it
7:14:49and the reason why it's just a time
7:14:51frame
7:14:53okay and the um
7:14:57um this will happen on Monday right
7:15:02I just wanted to make sure
7:15:06um
7:15:07so
7:15:11you put this stuff back together you
7:15:13found the gun
7:15:14on the floor next to the carpet and then
7:15:17had fallen over
7:15:18where did you put the gun I took
7:15:20everything and put it back
7:15:23when I had to tell like Albert that was
7:15:25the first question that he asked was
7:15:27like uh where all the guns are they all
7:15:29here
7:15:31um that type thing so I I put them all
7:15:32back together okay and they don't live
7:15:35in your house so I don't know where it
7:15:37all back together is so where are the
7:15:39guns typically stored
7:15:41um either in that Jill said I was
7:15:42telling you about the silver one right
7:15:44or in the closet okay and so I put um
7:15:49the the other guns were never had never
7:15:54been pressed into you guys
7:15:56what happens in three years apart
7:16:00they were already in the closet but the
7:16:03handguns usually are in different
7:16:05sections which would be accessible in
7:16:07case of emergency leave the shotguns to
7:16:10be bad you know that's accessible so I
7:16:12put the look my handgun was already in
7:16:16it too
7:16:17you're killing my yeah my my handgun was
7:16:20already like like interplay completely I
7:16:23mean I don't know if it was an exact
7:16:24same location but my angels okay
7:16:29then what you just told me yeah
7:16:38they're gonna ask how long is this now
7:16:51uh ladies and gentlemen we're gonna take
7:16:52about a 10 minute recess uh so if I can
7:16:55have all of you head back to the jury
7:16:57room we'll be back in 10 minutes don't
7:17:00discuss the case among yourself I have a
7:17:01specification with anyone else
7:17:03um with that I'll rise for the jury
7:17:05please
7:17:20thanks Sarah
7:17:22okay wait I better take this off
7:17:26thank you so much
7:17:28okay hold on
7:17:30now we've got to fix we gotta fix again
7:17:35so we'll do this this
7:17:46got a bit of a hot mic there
7:17:48wait let's see what they're saying
7:17:53ah
7:17:54yeah
7:17:57his mic is on the mic is on
7:18:01the guy
7:18:04oh
7:18:11foreign
7:18:37thank you
7:18:39okay so they're taking a 10 minute break
7:18:43I think we need like a 10. Daybreak
7:18:46after all that that was again a lot I
7:18:49know I say that all the time but holy
7:18:51moly you guys that were so much
7:18:55let's just see what I wrote down here
7:18:56wait
7:18:58sure I'm still taking notes but mostly
7:19:01I'm just like and then what I mean she
7:19:03is just telling lie after lie after lie
7:19:09okay the lie that I wrote down that's
7:19:11just like what was that she should have
7:19:14written Lena a letter and she was also
7:19:17worried about Lena which is ganon's
7:19:19younger sister she was eight years old
7:19:20at the time
7:19:22she should have written her a note is
7:19:24what she says
7:19:26a note
7:19:28after all that
7:19:30and in the midst of all that Lena comes
7:19:32home from school and your thinking is I
7:19:35really should have written her a note so
7:19:37she'd go put it in the she said put it
7:19:39in a neighbor's mailbox
7:19:43to put in a
7:19:45in a neighbor's mailbox Yes yes again
7:19:47she has no survival instincts whatsoever
7:19:50and she is continuously debunking
7:19:53her defenses Approach at all times
7:19:56dissociative identity disorder doesn't
7:19:58work like that none of the stuff she's
7:20:00saying
7:20:01she's debunking that she even has it you
7:20:04know what I mean
7:20:05wow yeah the circle talk is draining
7:20:09oh man I wrote your pleasure noises
7:20:11someone said in chat I put on the screen
7:20:13earlier I'm sorry if I can't I can't
7:20:15remember who said it but you're like
7:20:19what if
7:20:20what if Gannon really caught her
7:20:24now that made me think because we've
7:20:25never really thought about that angle
7:20:27what if Ecuador really exists
7:20:30and she was having an affair with him or
7:20:31something and again and caught her I
7:20:33don't think that's really true I don't
7:20:34think so but imagine like oh my word
7:20:37because the way she describes him she
7:20:39said that he's I mean we've already got
7:20:41we've already got all of this okay but
7:20:43now we have to add that she said she
7:20:46could smell paint
7:20:47drywall and a work smell and then also
7:20:51the
7:20:53smell of fresh tomatoes fresh tomatoes
7:20:56fresh tomatoes as we would say
7:20:59South African okay
7:21:00wow that was a lot it was like paint
7:21:03drywall work smell
7:21:05and that she gave him a brown suitcase
7:21:07yeah actually it was olive green if
7:21:09you're going to pin this on him but uh
7:21:11Brown okay
7:21:13yeah yeah you saw that too forgot to set
7:21:15it
7:21:18would be interesting if she was doing
7:21:20that
7:21:22eguardo
7:21:26and says she's the sharpest doll pencil
7:21:28in the Box I think criminal mastermind
7:21:30right and then she talked about 27 inch
7:21:34bag
7:21:36and that he was gonna pack up so he's
7:21:38gonna arrive there and remember later
7:21:40she changes the story to Quincy Brown
7:21:43so later he's got a business card and
7:21:46he's a man with a plan he's gonna come
7:21:48in there according to her story now
7:21:50essay or
7:21:51ask for demand a bag and then
7:21:55she thinks he's gonna pack the bag and
7:21:58take some of the stuff out of the home I
7:21:59mean wait like really a lot of people
7:22:01you guys are all asking in the chat what
7:22:03movie is she basing this on I don't know
7:22:06I've never seen a movie like this you
7:22:08know like where is she getting all this
7:22:10from now the problem is there at the end
7:22:12that was pretty scary now not at the end
7:22:14we still got a long way to go with this
7:22:15but Gannon was bleeding is what she said
7:22:17yeah that was another truth that we know
7:22:21that she was setting
7:22:23you can smell that it says Mama True
7:22:25Crime oh yes
7:22:27One Way says I'm sorry for all the
7:22:29iguardo in this world
7:22:32okay so I'm gonna stretch for a second
7:22:35here too so what I'm gonna do
7:22:38is play some delightful music for you
7:22:40just hold on one second
7:22:42I'm gonna find it for you we're gonna
7:22:44put on
7:22:45this
7:22:46okay like this
7:22:55thank you
7:23:23[Music]
7:23:33foreign
7:24:21thank you
7:24:23[Music]
7:24:36[Applause]
7:24:42[Music]
7:25:02foreign
7:25:08[Music]
7:25:53okay I'm back so
7:25:56what I want to quickly show you here
7:25:59is
7:26:02if you go to my YouTube channel
7:26:07and you go there's the home page videos
7:26:11shorts live playlist if you go to the
7:26:12community tab then members I've just put
7:26:16this here for you so this is where the
7:26:18next stream will be
7:26:19I set it for five past five PM uh
7:26:23coloring for me
7:26:25it won't be a long stream but we
7:26:27definitely need to debrief just a little
7:26:28bit okay so go over there and once I go
7:26:32live you should get a notification as
7:26:34well
7:26:36so we've got that
7:26:38okay now we've got map time on there
7:26:40hold on I've always got the maps ready
7:26:42you see
7:26:43always ready to add okay so where is it
7:26:45this yeah we're waiting for this now
7:26:47okay
7:26:48yes that's my kitchen very nice
7:26:51when life gives you lemons get snorky
7:26:54right
7:26:55man's like it was delightful not to hear
7:26:58Leticia for a bit
7:27:00I agree
7:27:01oh my word okay so I don't know how much
7:27:03longer this video is but I do think
7:27:05they're gonna go into Friday morning
7:27:07just like they said they might sorry for
7:27:09the interruption we have
7:27:11um
7:27:12you need to wait just one minute I think
7:27:15why
7:27:38let's go ahead and bring the bird
7:27:40backing
7:27:44that direction
7:27:47he started here yeah yeah
7:27:51is it I'm sure oh yeah
7:27:58science back during the day
7:28:09sorry I'm waiting for the screen
7:28:11that was my work yeah I felt awful at
7:28:14night before I was like a big freaking
7:28:16kid um
7:28:20I felt pretty bad
7:28:23all right for the jury please and yeah I
7:28:26would have too except for it makes you
7:28:28feel kind of screwy
7:28:32foreign
7:29:02sorry for the interruption ladies and
7:29:04gentlemen that was emergency I had to
7:29:05deal with unrelated to this case with
7:29:07that uh go ahead and start with one and
7:29:09then just as far as timing goes judge do
7:29:11you want us to just play it right up
7:29:13till five and then about five till five
7:29:15till okay
7:29:18yeah so everything was
7:29:20already here I just put I think let me
7:29:23when I tell you put my gut put the guns
7:29:25back into place there wasn't multiple
7:29:26out in different places I just want to
7:29:29make sure you know that I was sure it
7:29:31was I put that going back with it
7:29:33partner again okay make sure so you put
7:29:37the black handgun into the silver
7:29:39firmware I'm saying chess thing with
7:29:43your teal handgun right in the same tips
7:29:47and except they've been moved since then
7:29:50well Albert took them to both of them he
7:29:53maybe give me give him mine too
7:30:10but you know they weren't in the same
7:30:12place that they were sure and so Albert
7:30:15took all them food because
7:30:17it was like well I don't want you to
7:30:20harm yourself
7:30:27and that was today yes okay
7:30:30do you have a history of training
7:30:31department no
7:30:33say things like
7:30:35it's hard to say something about like
7:30:37I'll grab a knife it's not true I did
7:30:40not do that like I have never done
7:30:42anything in my entire life never
7:30:46seen any kind of counseling for anything
7:30:51uh prior to
7:30:53anything I got was through being good
7:30:56so maybe nothing like that so there will
7:30:59be no
7:31:00like reason and right there in the
7:31:02beginning there's that mental health
7:31:03thing I've always tried to put a blocker
7:31:04up because I know that
7:31:07you know thinking in your life can cause
7:31:09a problem and I just never I never did
7:31:12anything like that like
7:31:14I might be like because I was raising
7:31:16the country that might be like someone
7:31:18says something about complaints I'm like
7:31:20you're gonna work out you know that type
7:31:22sure sure but not anything that would
7:31:24have been I've been like I'm gonna cut
7:31:27myself and okay harm myself
7:31:31one
7:31:33you know like in his military level
7:31:36protection
7:31:37well it cares about you that's good
7:31:39right he wanted to think so
7:31:42to figure everything away
7:31:45I don't want you to hurt yourself and
7:31:47I'm like what
7:31:49so I just want to kind of like sum up
7:31:51what I think about or what I kind of
7:31:53know generally about what happened on
7:31:55Monday
7:31:56okay
7:31:58um so Albert didn't go to school that
7:31:59day or not Albert
7:32:01being apologized Gannon didn't go to
7:32:03school that day because
7:32:05he was not feeling well and because you
7:32:08guys wanted to get the carpet fixed
7:32:09right you went to the Newville area you
7:32:13met Eduardo
7:32:16um and you arranged for him to come over
7:32:18to your house
7:32:19while you were gone to work on
7:32:24replacing that piece of carpet for you
7:32:26you could come over to my house like I
7:32:28was going to work on replacement carpet
7:32:30yeah you gave him the like the garage
7:32:32code and stuff so we could come in and
7:32:34and she said I was gone one replacement
7:32:37parts I was on shopping while he was
7:32:40gonna do the tournament okay I thought
7:32:42you said it I was making sure that he
7:32:44hadn't flipped it the way I said it and
7:32:47that's exactly right I want to make sure
7:32:48that nothing's Twisted yeah okay so
7:32:50you're gonna go to Petco do some right
7:32:54now to go pick up that to go stopping to
7:32:56get involved in the name yeah
7:32:58so you we're gonna go do some shopping
7:33:00and he was gonna go fix the carpet
7:33:03you left the house around 10 30 ish 10
7:33:0610 30ish
7:33:07and then you go there's at some point
7:33:10you got gas you went to Petco twice and
7:33:13after you Starbucks earlier but it was
7:33:15actually Dunkin Donuts okay
7:33:17coffee yeah Dunkin Donuts maybe okay
7:33:22um and then you get home about 2 30 2
7:33:2730.
7:33:28you come in
7:33:30and you said you wanted to listen to
7:33:33your music and work out yeah within the
7:33:35and like donut mode not in the
7:33:37remembering oh my gosh
7:33:39okay and then
7:33:43um sometime between that 2 30
7:33:46or after you get home at that 2 30 time
7:33:48frame you're getting your headphones
7:33:50putting your headphones on music zone
7:33:52out whatever else you thought you heard
7:33:54something you went downstairs and that
7:33:56was when this attack happened
7:33:58and then
7:34:00um
7:34:01what time does Lena come home from the
7:34:03school bus
7:34:06it depends they came to school hours it
7:34:08could be anywhere between 3 15 and and 3
7:34:1230 so that's depending on
7:34:14so 315 330 is the typical time Elena
7:34:17comes home he said you don't want her to
7:34:19be in danger so you send her out the
7:34:22Rider bike and check the mail
7:34:24and
7:34:27you go back down another altercation
7:34:29happened
7:34:30and whenever the next thing you remember
7:34:33is that you kind of come to and Gannon
7:34:36is missing right okay so and that that
7:34:39was probably like around four o'clock
7:34:41rough estimate
7:34:43yeah because it would have been or it
7:34:46could have been 4 30 but it could but it
7:34:48wouldn't have been after 4 45 5 because
7:34:53art listing Hollywood took 30 minutes
7:34:56to get home
7:34:58so she hadn't
7:35:00got home Lena was still
7:35:03right bye
7:35:05or out and about
7:35:12yeah they had to be four which
7:35:15okay 450 no later like I said 4 45
7:35:18because that would have been quite a
7:35:20good event already
7:35:22on her way home
7:35:25I think I have a pretty good idea
7:35:27um I'm I'm pretty sure that was exactly
7:35:29right
7:35:31yeah then I sent Harley Elena his
7:35:35doctorate yeah yeah
7:35:39what is the um
7:35:43you have an alarm on your house what
7:35:45company do you use for the ADT ADT write
7:35:49that down and you have the same that's
7:35:52the is the passcode for the ADT stuff
7:35:56the same as like your garage door code
7:35:57and stuff like that or
7:35:59like I mean like the login
7:36:02like when you go in to disarm let's say
7:36:04yeah yeah yeah
7:36:06um it's different because
7:36:08um the alarm is again first thing yeah
7:36:12it's birthday yeah okay
7:36:19okay
7:36:22um
7:36:29I'm gonna take a break you need to use
7:36:31the restroom
7:36:33um no but I really need
7:36:38um
7:36:39I haven't powered and I don't haven't
7:36:42eaten and I I'm just getting tired
7:36:46okay
7:36:48um all right and we had talked earlier
7:36:51about whether or not
7:36:53um whether or not it would be able to
7:36:56take action at this point as far as like
7:36:58Gathering evidence and stuff like that
7:36:59with um whether it had been too long and
7:37:02I told you that it wasn't something that
7:37:05you're willing to do right yes if I
7:37:09would do anything for you to figure out
7:37:11who Eduardo is and make sure that
7:37:15okay and it's perfect that I found you
7:37:18to say to make sure that I could just
7:37:19like
7:37:21okay what um what pants were you wearing
7:37:24when all this happened I there was a set
7:37:27of like uh closing
7:37:29um I had like washed the stuff like we
7:37:33end up advice yeah sugars
7:37:37um
7:37:38or whatever but I put it with all the
7:37:41stuff that like I embossed and thought
7:37:43that I still remember if it was the
7:37:44black and purple or the black and blue
7:37:46but it was like sporting Athletics they
7:37:49were online
7:37:50um here when I went home last night
7:37:53because they like leggings or joggers or
7:37:56yeah they were like like kind of like
7:37:59this
7:37:59yeah well but more of the nylon Nation
7:38:05so they were like black and maybe purple
7:38:07or blue yeah I was one that I wear like
7:38:10a lot of Nike
7:38:13it was one of those
7:38:15and you can give them the alarm code
7:38:16right you just gave them the garage code
7:38:18because yeah because you didn't have to
7:38:20have you don't have to have
7:38:22like the alarm code
7:38:24if I'm in the house okay you have to
7:38:27have
7:38:28you know and that's the thing when I
7:38:30even said the lottery I mean I I may or
7:38:33may have not I mean typically I try
7:38:34again because we had tried to
7:38:37you know log into my phone and do it if
7:38:39I forget that's what they're thinking if
7:38:41I had
7:38:42whether I had or not at the line but I
7:38:45I'm pretty positive I'm uncertain that I
7:38:49have this alarm sure but you don't it
7:38:51doesn't have a sensor on the door
7:38:53were you able to see if you log into
7:38:56your alarm account whether or not it was
7:38:59alarmed at that time yeah that's why I
7:39:01was finding a machine that I couldn't
7:39:02service
7:39:04okay okay
7:39:06um you might need to like plug into the
7:39:08Wi-Fi or something like that yeah to do
7:39:10that and there's a there's open wi-fi
7:39:12it's like EPC
7:39:14yeah right you know it's a jewelry choir
7:39:16is the password
7:39:17if you want to do that
7:39:20um you need to use restroom or anything
7:39:21like no I'm actually I'm I mean am I am
7:39:24I like three to leave or
7:39:26we're not holding you here
7:39:28um we'd like to get you for that get you
7:39:30over to the hospital for that I will
7:39:33totally do that but I really am I just
7:39:34want to get some some food and take a
7:39:37minute and I can drive myself to the
7:39:39hospital I don't want to feel like I'm
7:39:40some
7:39:41you know the person they're going to
7:39:43look at differently because I was
7:39:46growing up with you know thankful people
7:39:48and I just
7:39:50that's why I ask you where the secret
7:39:52like where people would know because I
7:39:55understand you have a problem
7:39:58and that is our common purpose to have
7:40:01them here but
7:40:03you're also thinking about how
7:40:05emotionally yeah and I get that and so I
7:40:08will tell you that if we drive you over
7:40:10there we don't go in the front we go in
7:40:12a back way
7:40:14um so you wouldn't be seen by the
7:40:15general public or anything like that and
7:40:17obviously we're not in like uniforms
7:40:19Everything Is concealed all that other
7:40:20stuff
7:40:22um so
7:40:24it's not like we walk in with a Scarlet
7:40:28Letter or anything else like that so
7:40:30okay
7:40:32um let me go check on a couple of things
7:40:33really quick and then
7:40:35um be right back okay okay
7:40:38are you wanting to leave right now I'm
7:40:40really hungry I'm thirsty my lips the
7:40:42chat okay
7:40:44so that's really bad impressed I mean
7:40:47you guys know my it's not like I don't
7:40:49want them to talk to you
7:40:52foreign
7:40:54okay I'd get some communication with me
7:40:57okay can you give me just a few minutes
7:40:59to just check to make sure that I cover
7:41:01everything that I need to cover and then
7:41:03I'll come back in
7:41:04he said that I would be able to go and
7:41:07she didn't say I would be
7:41:09like I I I mean I'm sure I've been here
7:41:12hours
7:41:13and he said specifically that I would be
7:41:15able to go and I'm not saying that you
7:41:17can't I'm asking if you can give me a
7:41:19few minutes I I think if you can you
7:41:21please call me or
7:41:24I mean
7:41:26I I still have like
7:41:29you know
7:41:31have to maintain my my mental my mental
7:41:36health in this situation and that's very
7:41:39important you know and I just I just
7:41:41want to go
7:41:42I lose the brain and I wanted to shower
7:41:45and look at my fingers
7:41:48and all this thing all right
7:41:50so it would be better to get the
7:41:54forensic examination going over there
7:41:56like before not like things I'm not
7:41:59doing
7:42:00like I was in stage and things like that
7:42:02I'm not doing that I haven't showered in
7:42:04a few days I
7:42:05like that
7:42:11but I will glad to go I mean if you if
7:42:15you're saying you want to go take a
7:42:16shower before you go get something to
7:42:18say I was going to take a shower I said
7:42:19I need I need some time for like to just
7:42:22rest
7:42:23I'm exhausted I want to take a shower
7:42:25when my hair is nasty and I'm not going
7:42:27over there like dirty knowing for
7:42:30someone so
7:42:32but you realize that's how we gather
7:42:34evidence right so if you go take a
7:42:36shower right now and I understand that
7:42:38you're like uncomfortable right right
7:42:40and that you want to take a shower right
7:42:42so that's why I would like to get you
7:42:43over to the to the hospital to get the
7:42:46exam done okay well I then I'm driving
7:42:48myself in because I I I'm not getting
7:42:51escorted to an exam when I'm already
7:42:53going through a difficult time we
7:42:54haven't
7:42:56violate my my body to whether you go in
7:43:00the front or the back I mean
7:43:02am I not allowed to pick myself there
7:43:04that didn't say that at all I'm I'm
7:43:07trying to figure out and I'm trying to
7:43:09impress upon you like if you go take a
7:43:11shower then you wash away the evidence I
7:43:13know I understand I just said and you
7:43:14said you wanted that you weren't going
7:43:16to go over there while you're
7:43:24how to leave
7:43:27please I have to go over here let me get
7:43:29somebody to escort y'all okay
7:43:43fine
7:43:45so that I could
7:43:47but I could go
7:43:49well can you talk to me about what
7:43:51tonight
7:43:53then you told me I could I know but I'm
7:43:56left
7:43:58and I want to I just want to get the
7:44:01fill in so I have a couple questions
7:44:02about Sunday through a week filling that
7:44:05in I know you're tired I'm tired so I
7:44:08said that I could so I just want to take
7:44:10a break that's all I'm asking for where
7:44:11do you want to that means I wanted to go
7:44:13to risk like he said I could drive
7:44:15myself to the hospital so I just don't
7:44:16want what do we need
7:44:19am I am I able to get this
7:44:22to just go I mean
7:44:25what do you mean am I okay
7:44:28but I've been hearing about a hospital I
7:44:30mean what's going on with that this is
7:44:33this is why
7:44:36this is frustrating because I have
7:44:39already seen her information that you
7:44:42guys can truly like watch and seeing and
7:44:45you can know who I am going to the
7:44:47hospital because she wants to get
7:44:50um DNA DNA like or have your body chased
7:45:00did that happen it's happening on Monday
7:45:02on Monday
7:45:04what I
7:45:07can't right now and go forward again I
7:45:09can't
7:45:11okay so let me make sure that we've got
7:45:15everything lined up for a thing exam
7:45:17that's what you're talking about yeah
7:45:18she's gonna do that and I'm gonna just
7:45:20take a break I want to get food look at
7:45:22my
7:45:23sister chat I haven't you want some food
7:45:25I know
7:45:26okay
7:45:31I promise you have my number I haven't
7:45:34not you're done you're done with all
7:45:35this I haven't not communicated with you
7:45:37I have been so you don't want that coke
7:45:39nothing but I'm not taking it
7:45:42you can if you want I just didn't know
7:45:44if you were done with it we recycle them
7:45:46too so okay
7:45:48okay for me just real quick let me make
7:45:51sure that she doesn't have any other
7:45:52questions
7:45:55let me just let me double check if you
7:45:59said I could go that she
7:46:01didn't put the interview I don't I don't
7:46:04know I'm not holding cases if someone
7:46:06locked me out you want to you want to
7:46:08leave I will I will clearly ask answer
7:46:11your questions I just want to take a
7:46:12break like I was literally don't follow
7:46:14all your all where do you want to go for
7:46:16your break
7:46:19honest and right I want to see my child
7:46:21I want to get lunch with her
7:46:24well I'm more than happy to get to lunch
7:46:27or to bring your daughter here or or
7:46:29whatever needs to pop in
7:46:31I'm not I'm not saying that that you
7:46:33can't leave
7:46:35but I would like to finish up this
7:46:37conversation with you there's a couple
7:46:39of questions about Sunday that I have
7:46:41and this is the first time and I'm
7:46:43hearing that you're sexually assaulted
7:46:45you go to the same right that would be
7:46:47well
7:46:50lean towards the door should I open the
7:46:51door if you'd like to have a
7:46:53conversation in the room you can
7:46:56it's up to you
7:46:59like I said I missed out on a bunch so
7:47:03awesome
7:47:10where do you want to go
7:47:14so am I not allowed I'm clearly asking
7:47:16the question well I'm I'm trying so I
7:47:19guess our communication isn't the
7:47:20greatest at this point in time
7:47:22are you wanting to leave the office to
7:47:25go get something away yes I just
7:47:33[Music]
7:47:37good good
7:48:03they're gonna fast forward
7:48:09foreign
7:48:13will is looking quite entertained here
7:48:15look at him look at him
7:48:20he's loving it
7:48:40it's rocking chair time again
7:49:00I just want to get directions
7:49:10okay so at this point in time
7:49:14out outside and tell me something wrong
7:49:16wrong things that you decided that you
7:49:18wish to leave and that there's no
7:49:19problem with that
7:49:20um I I asked if uh
7:49:31he said okay and uh and I told you that
7:49:36we would be applying for a search
7:49:37warranty
7:49:39I'm not I'm not going anywhere I
7:49:42literally just be Direction I I mean I
7:49:44have family numbers in there I don't
7:49:46have
7:49:48is going to be applying for circles
7:49:49is that understood I'm gonna ask you one
7:49:52one favor do you let me find out or you
7:49:54show me something that is that you can
7:49:56legally take my phone and you don't have
7:49:58a search warrant yet
7:50:00you show me that can you show me that
7:50:02can you show me that yeah
7:50:05but could you send me that story because
7:50:07that feels like that's kind of a little
7:50:09unconstitutional and if that's the case
7:50:10that was it that can be something
7:50:26I'm not hiding anything from you I just
7:50:29want directions I want to be able to
7:50:30call my family
7:50:35thank you
7:50:46but why
7:50:48you won't even have a word yet
7:50:59you can it's not about the song
7:51:03the teacher at this point
7:51:06a little bit
7:51:13more
7:51:21yes
7:51:23okay so I'm going to hold you here until
7:51:25we get that first
7:51:27yes nice
7:51:39and I've been nothing but respectful
7:51:42Community sure and and I'm okay
7:51:46I wasn't I don't care that you had the
7:51:49phone if you took it at my home and that
7:51:51was very that was very that was very
7:51:53disrespectful if you would have just
7:51:54asked me for it I would have been
7:51:56imagine
7:51:57a little bit sure
7:51:58it was a way to see it
7:52:02okay so that's that was my my thing with
7:52:05you on that and then all I'm saying is
7:52:07we'll have to be trapped in a room
7:52:10so I understand that um and I hear what
7:52:14you're saying you're not feeling
7:52:15disrespected about the form being taken
7:52:17and that was okay right and I'm sure
7:52:20that I'm not letting him speak right now
7:52:22but I'm sure if I did he would say that
7:52:23he is sorry for making me feel
7:52:25disrespected at that time okay at this
7:52:27point I'm being told that you have to
7:52:29stay and this is where we have to keep
7:52:30it okay this is going to be the most
7:52:33comfortable environment okay okay it's
7:52:35like there's a couch and whatever else
7:52:37or other interviewer obviously I'm
7:52:39Payless a lot now
7:52:40foreign
7:53:07and
7:53:08I can tell you that that a forensic
7:53:11nurse examiner is possible to
7:53:14do yeah
7:53:17you can't go to the bathroom okay we're
7:53:20telling you is that you can't go into
7:53:21the bathroom
7:53:25and I've offered you the opportunity
7:53:27multiple times to go to the bathroom but
7:53:29I wanted to think for the whole time
7:53:30okay so here's the thing okay
7:53:34whatever you want from I don't right
7:53:36we're not saying that you can't go
7:53:37urinate or defecate if that's what you
7:53:40need to do because we're telling you
7:53:41that we can't allow to have happen is
7:53:43you go in there and get paper towels and
7:53:46begin wiping possible evidence off of
7:53:48your body so you want to watch me
7:53:59what about like the older drinks or
7:54:01something
7:54:03I don't know
7:54:05Hotmail
7:54:09so
7:54:11you need a a colder bottle of water or a
7:54:15Gatorade
7:54:17are you taking my drink no one
7:54:36am I able to make a phone call
7:54:39can I make a phone call
7:54:44before
7:54:50we're not concerns we're not asking
7:54:53questions I'm not allowed to make a
7:54:54phone call
7:54:56okay so things have changed since since
7:54:59I made that statement to you what okay
7:55:01and so that is at this point in time
7:55:07I'm sorry
7:55:10to agree to leave right and um you know
7:55:13you could stop by answering questions
7:55:15right whenever you wish Etc et cetera
7:55:17now we're going through the course of
7:55:19the investigation uh we have reason to
7:55:21believe that you essentially have
7:55:22evidence on your body and we're applying
7:55:25for this report
7:55:31basically I'm not thinking there is we
7:55:35know you are what are your various
7:55:36beliefs and then somebody was very
7:55:38educated
7:55:43um but we are going to apply for the
7:55:44restrictions I know I said something
7:55:47because you've already said that you
7:55:49didn't want us to do that now we have to
7:55:51go through the process of getting a
7:55:52search warrant because you've already
7:55:53declined the clients so it's going to
7:55:55take a little bit longer okay right now
7:55:56I need you to have it sit on the couch
7:55:58okay
7:56:11leticia's watching the clock
7:56:22what is she doing
7:56:24um can you do those questions
7:56:26or you said something about you had
7:56:28questions
7:56:30um you've already asked for an attorney
7:56:32no I was out in the hallway he said do I
7:56:35need to call an attorney I'd like to
7:56:36make a phone call and all that stuff so
7:56:38here's the thing I don't want to get
7:56:39into all of that any any other questions
7:56:42because you've already said I was saying
7:56:45I was thinking
7:56:46I know and and obviously I do not want
7:56:50it to be misinterpreted in any way shape
7:56:52or form right okay so we're gonna hold
7:56:55off right now so you're saying you don't
7:56:57have to have those questions to ask me
7:56:59while we were saying at this point in
7:57:00time okay if something changes I will
7:57:03let you know right
7:57:06mmm
7:57:13um we'll pick our evening break if we
7:57:16can have all of you uh where you need to
7:57:18be on Friday morning we should be able
7:57:20to start on time at that point uh again
7:57:22don't just concentration of yourself
7:57:24they'll discuss videos
7:57:26and research about any aspect of this
7:57:28case
7:57:30um enjoy tomorrow uh see if you can get
7:57:32some sunshine
7:57:33um and then we'll see you on Friday
7:57:35morning uh nine o'clock all right
7:57:40let's see
7:58:12if he may all be seated records should
7:58:14reflect the jury has left it quarterly
7:58:16is there anything we need to pick up
7:58:17outside the presence of the jury at this
7:58:18point in time no no
7:58:20okay all right um as I said uh my DACA
7:58:24tomorrow is uh virtual so you can leave
7:58:27everything here there's not going to be
7:58:29anybody else here except for myself and
7:58:31Mr Sproul so
7:58:34um
7:58:34I'm gonna leave everything here if we
7:58:35want if you if there's something that
7:58:37you want to lock up let us know we can
7:58:39put it in evidence Blossom thank you
7:58:48thank you polarized
7:59:00and boom that's it okay so what I'm
7:59:04going to do now is make sure that the
7:59:06live stream for Friday
7:59:07I'll set it to public now so that you
7:59:10can see it there day eight
7:59:13in this stream should lead you to that
7:59:15one otherwise let me just quickly
7:59:18put this in chat yeah no
7:59:21there was such a cliffhanger I know
7:59:23um sorry I just here we go Gemini I'm
7:59:25like who said it gemini65 OMG
7:59:28Cliffhanger I can't wait for Friday I
7:59:30can't wait to see more of that that was
7:59:32really good
7:59:34I don't know about you but I enjoy the
7:59:36day with you
7:59:37watching most of the day was that um
7:59:41that video
7:59:42you know but also hearing the FaceTime
7:59:44calls and all of that wow what a day
7:59:48that was so it was really great to
7:59:50experience it with you I hope that you
7:59:51had a good day with me over here if you
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7:59:59let me turn off slow mode so that we can
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8:00:08now if you are a member make sure that
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8:00:13that's where it's at the next stream I'm
8:00:16gonna have one just a debrief of today
8:00:19because there's a lot that I'm sure you
8:00:21guys want to vent okay me too let's just
8:00:23snark it up a little bit and then we get
8:00:25ready for hopefully Sunshine tomorrow as
8:00:28uh the judge said maybe we can get some
8:00:30sunshine tomorrow but otherwise Friday
8:00:32oh my word we're getting ready for that
8:00:34why do we have to wait a day
8:00:36why do we have to wait
8:00:38okay I'm going to show you one more time
8:00:39just quickly way to find the stuff
8:00:43it's going to be here
8:00:45uh there we go this is my channel if you
8:00:48go to home go to videos as well here
8:00:50because you can see here is a video that
8:00:53I uploaded for you guys this morning
8:00:54it's of the 911 cam footage from
8:00:58yesterday's trial day okay and there's a
8:01:01tribute at the end of uh for Gannon
8:01:03we're live right now over here the
8:01:05upcoming live stream is right here oh
8:01:07man probably going to change the picture
8:01:09it's horrible just this is enough for
8:01:11one day but like I'll put an
8:01:12interrogation picture there for us like
8:01:14t-shirt and if you go to the community
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8:01:18says let's snark and debrief click on
8:01:20that and I'll see you there in the next
8:01:22let's see what the time is what's the
8:01:24time I'll see you there in 10 minutes
8:01:26okay
8:01:28sure thank you everyone and again for
8:01:30the stickers for all the coffees oh my
8:01:32word yes see you keep me going I had
8:01:35lots of coffee today thank you for the
8:01:36coffees the paypals oh my word you guys
8:01:38are so sweet PayPal is a very direct way
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8:01:42know taking the cut so I really
8:01:44appreciate it and I I'll see you if
8:01:47there's any updates I want to just say
8:01:49this you know um the Madeleine Kingsbury
8:01:51case Minnesota
8:01:53missing mom off too okay I'm I'm looking
8:01:56because there was an update today where
8:01:58the X has come forward to say that he's
8:02:02released a statement from his attorney
8:02:03okay with his attorney and saying that
8:02:06he is
8:02:07he did not have anything to do with her
8:02:09disappearance
8:02:11so I'm watching that if he actually
8:02:12spoke on camera
8:02:14yeah we're gonna have to have to look at
8:02:15that probably tomorrow then okay it's
8:02:18snarky time so thank you so much
8:02:20everyone and I will see you
8:02:22in the next one bye
8:02:30[Music]
8:02:40[Music]
8:03:02[Music]
8:03:08[Music]
8:03:16thank you
8:03:37foreign

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