Lecture Tim Dyson,iss,The Hague,The Netherlands,23 April 2009 part 8.mov — Transcript
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- 0:00as an outstanding ecologic environment
- 0:01very different from the world average a
- 0:04very fertile soil and the supply of
- 0:06water no major of a geographical
- 0:09stickles normanton no dessert so the
- 0:12only problem of the Dutch was control
- 0:14the water flows which they did with his
- 0:16successor now you wouldn't be able to do
- 0:19that in the places where Tim Dyson was
- 0:22working in a middle of India know where
- 0:25I was working the silent part of Africa
- 0:27there is no water there so you don't
- 0:30have the same problems of Kusum and if
- 0:34you go to mountains if you go to read
- 0:36areas you will have a very different
- 0:38problem of course you expect very
- 0:40different population densities and
- 0:44now there is another argument about
- 0:46Holland is that the more problems you
- 0:48have to solve the more you if solutions
- 0:51will find but if you look at all the
- 0:54places in the world where you have a
- 0:55similar environment I mean the deltas of
- 0:58the big rivers you take the ganga palma
- 1:00put river in in bengal it take the Nile
- 1:03Delta in Egypt you take the Niger Delta
- 1:05in Nigeria this has never happened
- 1:08only here in all and people were able to
- 1:11have this incredible innovation in
- 1:15techniques that made possible the
- 1:18petition goes on a small piece of land
- 1:20so that the argument developed by
- 1:23establish a weapon on number for the
- 1:25people that the eye of population
- 1:28density it leads to innovation but i
- 1:30think has been wrong in most of the
- 1:32cases that over the last 50 years 5,000
- 1:35years this gives me so far very very
- 1:37long time we still are facing the
- 1:39limitation of
- 1:41that multi described the carrying
- 1:43capacity of the land and also the
- 1:45management of the economy what I'm doing
- 1:48in time here fine okay
- 1:51next question that I would like to raise
- 1:53today is what happens beyond food limits
- 1:56I mean multis was focusing always and
- 1:58food and all the societies that he had
- 2:01studied had major a problem with food
- 2:05whether it was in the e
- 2:07in the northern of Europe in the city
- 2:10area any studied everything he could a
- 2:13good fine in
- 2:15America's in OC Enya and everywhere
- 2:19but the natural between the relationship
- 2:22between population and environment has
- 2:24been changing very quickly in the recent
- 2:26past as a result of the population
- 2:28explosion so there are new limits
- 2:31appearing now for plans for land animals
- 2:33and for fishes luckily so far we have
- 2:36been able to find new solutions
- 2:38increasing League for plans raising
- 2:41animals in factories and developing fish
- 2:43farms but the lipid limits have been
- 2:45pushed forward but the still exists them
- 2:48now what water is becoming a major issue
- 2:51in about half of the world not here that
- 2:53for sure but if you go to Africa are in
- 2:56most places to South Asia and many
- 2:58places even I mean Latin America and
- 3:01some places
- 3:02water is becoming a major issue are for
- 3:05the the population not only because of
- 3:08the population explosion of course but
- 3:10also because of the increasing demand
- 3:11for agriculture on in some cases for the
- 3:15industry the demand for energy is also
- 3:18increasing the Matta Kelly the fossil
- 3:20fuels are limited and other sources of
- 3:23energy are either very expensive or are
- 3:26in competition with agriculture and the
- 3:28land space is limited and is becoming
- 3:31again a source of conflicts the century
- 3:34ago in Africa land was still available
- 3:36and if you didn't have a land here you
- 3:39move 50 kilometers away and you will
- 3:41find freelander and it was free from
- 3:43migrants and settlers this is no longer
- 3:45the case it's finished in any part of
- 3:47the world with a very very few
- 3:49exceptions some
- 3:51next slide please
- 3:53so here we are reaching the core of the
- 3:56new relationship between population and
- 3:58development on population and
- 4:00environment we are reaching a stage
- 4:01where any large change affects the
- 4:04global ecological equilibrium and this
- 4:07global dimension is new at the time when
- 4:10what is what is booked all the
- 4:12limitations were local they were not
- 4:14global them
- 4:15are listed here a few of the major
- 4:17issues and this game again in
- 4:20presentation the greenhouse effect
- 4:22induced by human activity which is the
- 4:24main source of global warming and which
- 4:26has so many consequences for the
- 4:28environment the land degradation and
- 4:30pollution as a consequence of over
- 4:32utilization and destroy all cultures the
- 4:36negative in else impact for humans as
- 4:39well as for animals of fertilizers and
- 4:41pesticides
- 4:42necessary to meet the demand for food as
- 4:44well as a toxic waste is produced by the
- 4:48industry i will also to mention the
- 4:51price of land which has been increasing
- 4:53very quickly and is likely to increase
- 4:55even more in the future in some places
- 4:58the price of land for housing is so high
- 5:01that no one could afford to buy a piece
- 5:02of land with an average income you
- 5:04needed excellent so many high income in
- 5:06order to to be able to acquire a piece
- 5:09of land which was not the case a century
- 5:12ago
- 5:13agricultural land is also becoming an
- 5:15issue for many of our populated
- 5:17countries such as China Japan Korea or
- 5:20Saudi Arabia and those countries are now
- 5:23buying or renting land in other
- 5:25countries which raised numerous
- 5:27political issues as exemplified by the
- 5:30resin coup d'etat in Madagascar so they
- 5:33are now major trade offs that we have to
- 5:36face and which necessitate difficult
- 5:38choices and trade off between arborlon
- 5:41and when forest between them for food
- 5:44and land for energy production food
- 5:47co-ops versus animal forming increasing
- 5:49production versus safe environment and
- 5:51space for wildlife vs. space for humans
- 5:54now I go often to South Africa annum
- 5:58wave much fascinated by the space that's
- 6:01still available for wildlife in this
- 6:03part of the world and this is possible
- 6:05only because of the relatively low
- 6:07population density yeah now this has
- 6:10almost disappeared in Europe if one
- 6:12wants to introduce a family of bears or
- 6:14wolves in France this become a national
- 6:16issue and almost impossible technically
- 6:19so totally different sides of the pot
- 6:21lemon
- 6:23new and very important issues have
- 6:26emerged in recent years any chance as an
- 6:28effect on global ecological equilibrium
- 6:30and Frances increase land implies the
- 6:34destruction of the rainforest which
- 6:35implies increasing emission of carbon
- 6:37dioxide which implies global warming and
- 6:40as many adverse consequences so if one
- 6:43considers all the basic constraints on
- 6:45human life mentioned above do we have
- 6:47any solution compatible with increasing
- 6:50population increasing income increasing
- 6:52demand for goods and energy as defined
- 6:55by the North American Way of life I
- 6:57thought we have and this was said
- 6:59already in the
- 7:02Club of Rome report some 45 years ago
- 7:06it's an interesting report a colleague
- 7:09of mine went back to this report and try
- 7:12to
- 7:12compare what did happen in last 40 years
- 7:15since the report was done with what they
- 7:17wrote in 1972 most of what the road was
- 7:20right and I know where we are we are
- 7:23just seeing the beginning of the
- 7:25problems and that they have described
- 7:27next slide
- 7:33next next question but its upper portion
- 7:37control well I think there have been
- 7:39major changes in the relationship
- 7:41between developed and developing
- 7:42countries in the 1950s when the
- 7:46population Dippet started it was
- 7:48centered around the wheel of the North
- 7:50namely the USA and its allies to control
- 7:53the position of the south and it was
- 7:55mainly at that time Latin America Asia
- 7:56and Africa and this happened
- 7:59unfortunately in the context of
- 8:01imperialism the colonization communism
- 8:04Cold War and was therefore highly
- 8:06politicized this is most unfortunate
- 8:08since they are mostly common interests
- 8:10that we see now I'm not any longer an
- 8:13image of conflicting interest attitudes
- 8:16and behavior too low to what's low
- 8:19fertility tended to converge in the
- 8:21recent years the world has become a
- 8:23global village with common economic and
- 8:25ecological constraints and the new
- 8:27courage ecological issues and the
- 8:29consequences are also becoming global in
- 8:32particular global warming
- 8:34so far I going back again to the
- 8:37transition we have been lucky to have
- 8:39dedicated people in the USA around
- 8:42nineteen fifty started to address the
- 8:44issue of operation control without
- 8:46without them will be in a much worse
- 8:49situation and will not have
- 8:53the stabilizing position by
- 8:562050 that the United Nations
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