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0:00And I don't think that's who you guys
0:02are. I don't think that's who you are.
0:04Um
0:06I don't want that to be the story that
0:07comes out. That's what they're going to
0:08say to the jury
0:10if if you don't tell us your side of the
0:12story.
0:13Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
0:15and educational purposes only. All
0:18individuals are presumed innocent until
0:20proven guilty in a court of law.
0:21Any footage used in this video is
0:23obtained through public records and
0:25falls under fair use for the purpose of
0:27reporting, analysis, and public
0:29interest.
0:30On the night of March 21st, 2025,
0:33hundreds of people gathered at Young
0:35Park in Las Cruces, New Mexico [music]
0:37for an unsanctioned car meet.
0:39What began as a large social [music]
0:41gathering quickly turned into chaos when
0:43gunfire erupted across the crowded park.
0:46Multiple shooters fired into the crowd,
0:48leaving three people dead and
0:50approximately 15 others injured. [music]
0:52Investigators later recovered dozens of
0:54shell casings scattered throughout the
0:56scene, underscoring how quickly the
0:58gathering had turned into a mass [music]
0:59casualty event.
1:01Witnesses described confusion and panic
1:03as people ran for cover.
1:05Survivors reported being struck by
1:07gunfire while families searched
1:09desperately for loved ones in the
1:10aftermath.
1:11Law enforcement responded [music] to a
1:13rapidly evolving scene involving
1:15multiple suspects, conflicting witness
1:17accounts, and video evidence captured by
1:19bystanders. [music]
1:20Investigators began piecing together
1:22what happened, working to determine who
1:24fired first and how the violence
1:26escalated in a crowded public park.
1:29Within hours, authorities began
1:30identifying individuals believed [music]
1:32to be involved. The investigation
1:34quickly focused on several suspects
1:35connected to the shootout, including
1:37Tomas Rivas. Two days after the shooting
1:40in the early morning hours of March
1:4223rd, 2025, Rivas was arrested and
1:45booked into the Doña Ana County
1:47Detention Center. As investigators
1:49continued building the case surrounding
1:51the Young Park shooting. This is the
1:53interrogation of Tomas Rivas.
2:03I'm going to go back to the police
2:04department right now.
2:58All right.
2:59Is my right?
3:06Yeah, you gave me my little blanket but
3:07anything
3:08a blanket is really cool. Sorry.
3:11If not, it's okay. I'll just talk to you
3:13guys and get your info. No, you're good.
3:14I'm I'm trying to like think if we do.
3:17I don't think we do.
3:18I mean
3:19Well, fair. You're good. Most of us were
3:21like a bunch of extras so we're like
3:22hot. Right here. You know what I mean?
3:26Got you. It's cuz you're still young and
3:29lean. You got to get old and meaty like
3:31the rest of us.
3:32Um all right. So, it's you go Is it
3:36Tomas or Thomas?
3:36>> Tomas. T O M A S. Or Tomas Rivas.
3:39Got you.
3:41All right.
3:42Okay. Oh.
3:44I don't have one. I just can't find it
3:46in all these pockets. All right, got it.
3:49Okay.
3:51Tomas
3:53Rivas. And what's your date of birth,
3:55bro?
3:562004. Do you have water or anything?
3:58No, I'm just cold and I got I got a
4:00blanket cuz we're hurting here. I got
4:02you.
4:02Have a break for a moment right now,
4:03right? And what's your address? Um 365
4:07Karen Avenue, trailer 20.
4:1120? Mhm.
4:12Okay. And a phone number for you?
4:14575-612-1572.
4:19How long you've been living there? Uh
4:21like a year or two. Who do you live
4:23with? With my sister.
4:25Your sister's name?
4:27Got you.
4:28Um all right, bro. So,
4:32the reason we're here to talk to you,
4:33it's all over the news, all over social
4:34media. What we're trying to do is talk
4:38to people whose names got brought up to
4:40make sure cuz it's crazy all the Right.
4:43We want to make sure we got everything
4:45legit. We don't want anyone to get in
4:47trouble or get hurt, right? There's a
4:49picture of a guy with a a long rifle
4:51circulating social media and that guy
4:54didn't do anything.
4:55And so everyone like wants to kill this
4:57dude saying he's like the Cruces' most
4:59hated and they're like literally going
5:00after him and he literally didn't do
5:02anything. He just happened to have that
5:03that gun there and he didn't shoot. You
5:04know what I mean? So, we're trying to
5:06prevent people from getting accused of
5:08things that they didn't do. Okay? That
5:10being said, we have talked to Nathan
5:12already, okay? And he has
5:17already told us a lot, okay? Including,
5:20you know, that you guys were there and
5:21all that stuff. He's already told us
5:22that. So, we just want to kind of talk
5:25to you and get
5:28what's true about what you were there,
5:30what you saw, what you did, what you
5:31didn't do, stuff like that so that way
5:34we can have an accurate picture. Okay,
5:36you know what I mean? Cuz again,
5:38it's just crazy. It's the biggest thing
5:40we've had in Cruces since the bowling
5:42alley. So, you got to understand we got
5:44like It Well, not just we got to do our
5:47job. I mean, we always got to do our job
5:48but you got to imagine everybody's like
5:50Oh, yeah. Everyone's like wants to know
5:53what's up. You know what I mean? Okay?
5:55What was in El Paso that was happening?
5:57So That's That's what your brother said
5:59at first but
6:00we talked to him for a while and then
6:02we got over that and he gave us his
6:04phone and so we have all his messages
6:05and pictures and
6:06>> Yeah, no. But we're in El Paso so he has
6:08everything so like um I received a phone
6:11call I'm there at the time. And I got If
6:12I could get my phone from the car, I'll
6:14show you guys.
6:14>> It's the one in the car. We're doing a
6:15search warrant so we'll grab it. Oh,
6:16that's cool. We're going to get all that
6:17stuff.
6:18>> We'll get all that stuff. I But I was in
6:19El Paso Uh-huh. But this girl named
6:21Diana called me on the phone call me.
6:23Um saying that we dated and this and
6:26that. And I was like, "No, we're in El
6:27Paso." Like we're in El Paso and she was
6:28just cussing me out saying we should and
6:30like give people my address and this and
6:31that. And I was like, "Well, you guys
6:32can say whatever."
6:33>> [clears throat]
6:33>> They have taste. I I didn't even shower
6:35or anything from my action. So, you guys
6:37could do whatever you guys
6:38>> Okay. Let Let me Let me hook you up with
6:40this real quick, okay? We want to make
6:41sure
6:44it's fair for you cuz obviously you were
6:46just in handcuffs. We just took them
6:47off. So, you were detained, right? You
6:49understand that, okay? So, we're cops.
6:51You were detained. I got to advise you
6:53of these things. You've probably heard
6:55them before, okay? Doesn't mean you've
6:56been charged with any crimes. It just
6:58means before we actually talk and get
7:00your truth,
7:01I need to say these things, all right?
7:02So, you do have the right to remain
7:03silent. Anything you say can and will be
7:05used against you in a court of law. You
7:07have the right to talk to a lawyer and
7:08have him present with you while being
7:09questioned. If you cannot afford to hire
7:11a lawyer, one will be appointed to
7:12represent you before any questioning if
7:13you wish. You can decide at any time to
7:15exercise these rights and not answer my
7:17questions or make any statements. Do you
7:19understand these rights as I've
7:20explained them to you? Yes, sir. Okay.
7:22I got you.
7:23Yeah, so so I mean, I'm hoping
7:27cuz Nathan took a little while so I'm
7:29hoping we can kind of skip some of that
7:31cuz he started with the same and he
7:32showed me the pictures on Snapchat when
7:33you guys go to the party. He's like,
7:35"See, look. Here's this Transmountain."
7:37And all that stuff and the invite. He
7:39showed us all that stuff and went
7:40through it. But eventually he came to
7:42tell the truth, which is he and him went
7:44to meet Gustavo and Jojo there and they
7:48got some
7:49and kind of dragged you and him into it
7:51and then everyone ended up leaving in
7:53your car got crazy. In in his uh
7:56>> is I don't even have a car. No, in his
7:58car. In the red Mercedes. Cuz that's
8:00what you guys met Gustavo met Tabo there
8:03and Jojo. We're actually picking up Jojo
8:05right now. Um he's We're We're snagging
8:08him up right now and he was one of the
8:09ones that was described as well. So,
8:12your name, first and last name, Nathan's
8:14name, first and last name were
8:16identified being there
8:17uh by lots of people and when we showed
8:22the pictures of his car, Nathan's car
8:25there on scene that people took and you
8:27guys running into him, you know,
8:28obviously he's like, "Okay, yeah." Um
8:32he It took him a while.
8:34What
8:36we're concerned with with you is he His
8:39statement is that he was driving and
8:41that the three shooters cuz he didn't
8:43see three people with guns getting into
8:45his car as he it takes off. The
8:47statement we have right now is the three
8:50people with guns are Gustavo, Jojo, and
8:54you. Okay? So, that's the statement. So,
8:58we're giving you an opportunity
9:01if that's incorrect. And when I say
9:03incorrect, I don't mean incorrect in the
9:04sense that you were in El Paso because
9:06you weren't. But what I'm saying is if
9:09he's trying to protect himself,
9:12that's your opportunity because
9:14Gustavo's getting picked up, Jojo's
9:16getting picked up. Uh
9:17Uh again, all that's like we're way past
9:20that. Like we've been given tons of
9:22resources by the feds and everyone to to
9:25get all this stuff.
9:25>> There's videos. You guys should be able
9:27to clear the cameras. You guys have the
9:29technology to But and we even showed the
9:31videos in the cameras and Nathan
9:33specifically said that you were the guy
9:35in in that. And And we'll be sure So,
9:38Nathan initially when he starts to come
9:39around,
9:41excludes you and him. Right. But then
9:43when he showed the photo of the three
9:44getting in the vehicle, it was you.
9:46Yeah, he said it was all Jojo first and
9:48Gustavo and you guys were just kind of
9:50chilling. But then once we showed him
9:52the video and picture, he's like,
9:54So, again, what what I don't want Okay,
9:57cuz look people are out for blood.
9:59Not we're not out for blood. We're just
10:02out to find the truth and get justice.
10:03We're not trying to hurt anyone, but
10:05there are people out there who are out
10:06for blood. So
10:08we're going to put out the evidence
10:10as the evidence shows.
10:12Okay? And right now and
10:15this is why Nathan came around is right
10:17now the evidence just by itself with no
10:19explanation doesn't look good for you
10:20guys. It makes you guys look like mass
10:22murderers, which I don't think you are.
10:24And it's not fair because you guys
10:25weren't the only ones shooting. There
10:26was other people shooting, too.
10:28But what you have to overcome and we
10:31need to get past this so we can get to
10:32where we were with Nathan before. I mean
10:34obviously you know we talked to him for
10:35a long last time. We you saw him you saw
10:37us scoop him up and it's been hours. So
10:39you know that we talked to him for a
10:40while. I just wanted to get this out of
10:41me. I got you. So perfect. Well, tell me
10:45Let's Let's get over that. I'll pass it
10:47on. I mean I even have his group chats
10:49on Instagram, the snap I have he gave us
10:52his password. Okay? I have his phone and
10:55everything in it. So I don't he even
10:58said he he even has pictures holding
11:00Gustavo's gun the Glock 23 and the Glock
11:0230
11:03that him and Joe that Gustavo and Jojo
11:05have. He even has all that in there. So
11:07again, you're being named not just by
11:10witnesses, but by your own brother as
11:12one of the shooters which easily gives
11:15us probable cause to charge you with a
11:17quadruple murder.
11:18Okay? Which would be the rest of your
11:21life in prison. So if you can explain
11:24what you did during the shooting
11:27you have the potential to help yourself.
11:29My brother
11:30I mean just You guys have pictures, you
11:32guys have videos, whatever you guys have
11:34technology to find out who it is. That's
11:35all I'm saying. You guys have resources.
11:37>> Correct. You.
11:39Yes.
11:40So you So you should take something into
11:42consideration. So we're talking about
11:43all this technology, we're talking about
11:45photos and stuff like that, but a lot of
11:46times it comes down to what?
11:48People sitting on the stand testifying
11:50against who they saw what they did,
11:51right? Well, could testify against what
11:53I don't know. Yeah, so but here's the
11:54thing.
11:55So there's there's a a known ongoing
11:59dispute in between you and
12:03I have um Tell me online on that. Well,
12:05I don't even know
12:06Okay. Well, his brother. But but are we
12:09on the same page about that? There's an
12:10ongoing dispute between you guys. You
12:11guys don't like each other, right? I
12:12don't even consider that. I have two
12:14kids. So I don't
12:15But here's the thing. You guys show up
12:17yesterday. There's a little
12:18confrontation between the two of you
12:19guys, right? And we're going to give you
12:21the opportunity to tell us your version
12:22of it. Okay? Cuz what's going to happen
12:24on their side? What do you think they
12:25told me? I talked to everybody yesterday
12:26at the hospital. And what do you think
12:28they told me?
12:29They They're going to say everything
12:30that makes them look innocent this this
12:33and that.
12:35But they're going to make you look like
12:36the bad guy.
12:37But I'm going [snorts] to share one
12:38thing with you.
12:39They told me
12:41that
12:42and uh I had guns.
12:45They They told me, okay? That was
12:47forthcoming, okay? So that kind of
12:50shades on their side just a little bit,
12:52right?
12:53>> [snorts]
12:54>> But you and your brother
12:57were specifically identified.
13:00Because of this feud or whatever
13:01it was initially verbal and then
13:03somebody pulled out guns and then the
13:06other person pulled out guns.
13:07So which narrative is it going to be?
13:09The narrative where they're saying
13:11>> I have I have the phone calls and
13:12everything when they were calling me
13:13when I guess everything was happening.
13:15I'm telling you I have proof of
13:16everything. You You say that and so did
13:18your brother and then he cracked and he
13:21cracked and he snitched and he gave us
13:23all the evidence we need to put you and
13:24him away. So it look
13:27it's good, bro. If you if if you don't
13:29want to be smart like him
13:30it's what it is. But but
13:32>> that I'm being I'm not nothing like
13:34that. I'm not hiding anything. I'm
13:35telling you guys here we guys really
13:36don't have the resources. You guys say
13:38that I was there.
13:39Which is cool.
13:40>> Not just names. We have evidence
13:41including your own brother to testify
13:43against you.
13:44We'll say the that side is the victim's
13:46side, right? Yeah. We have the victim's
13:47side who's going to testify on tape
13:49who's on recording
13:51saying it's you and your brother with
13:52the other guys. Yeah. Well Now we got
13:55your brother Huh? We could send him to
13:57court for that. We could go to court.
13:59Of course. But we got to get your thing
14:01to say, "Hey, this is what happened.
14:03This is what the fight was about. If
14:04they pulled out guns
14:06you shouldn't be responsible for
14:07everything there. Correct?
14:09I'm not Cuz Nathan's
14:11Nathan's naming you which we can use to
14:14charge you, right?
14:15>> You guys should You guys weren't the
14:16only ones who had guns. You guys were
14:17the ones that shooting, right?
14:19Are they going to have to be responsible
14:21for stuff for what they did? Yes. All I
14:24know is I don't know why you guys That's
14:25why you guys don't I don't believe
14:26anything you guys say. I'm not to be a
14:28dick head or anything. I know how you
14:29guys operate.
14:31You don't think Nathan snitched. That's
14:32what you think. I'm just saying like You
14:34want me to go get his phone and show
14:35you?
14:36And open it and show you with the his
14:37password that he gave us? I can do that.
14:39Will that prove to you that I'm not full
14:41How about that? I don't know. I'm Let's
14:43go through it together. We already have
14:44the warrant. Let's go through his phone
14:45together.
14:46Let's see.
14:48Let's see what Gustavo and and the group
14:50chat has to say. How how would that make
14:52you feel better?
14:54You would You said evidence. You said,
14:55"Look at the evidence." Let's go look at
14:56the evidence together.
14:58What do you think?
15:01This doesn't look bad, dude. We're
15:02trying to give you an opportunity. Like
15:03I said, you're not It's not one-sided.
15:05Not one-sided at all.
15:08I'm going to pick We're
15:10We're trying to get your version, okay?
15:12You got to get a version out there,
15:13right?
15:15Correct? Yeah.
15:18Because what are they painting? They're
15:19painting themselves 100% victims, but I
15:21know
15:23again, I know for a fact
15:26that they had guns.
15:27Their whole family did the same thing
15:29Nathan did and said
15:33"My relatives pulled out guns, both of
15:35them."
15:36They said that.
15:38Okay? Nathan turned around and said the
15:39same thing with you guys, right?
15:41So in a culpability
15:44everybody shooting at everybody, right?
15:48Yes.
15:49What's intended is intended, what's not
15:51intended is not intended. You shouldn't
15:52be responsible for something you didn't
15:53intend to do.
15:55Correct?
15:56But that's what it's going to be painted
15:58if we don't if we don't change the
15:59narrative.
16:01So if I technically say that I wasn't
16:03there what what I'm saying technically
16:05what I'm saying you guys are not going
16:06to believe. If If you technically say
16:08you're not there
16:09it's going to make our job a whole lot
16:11easier. I want to Can I talk to you real
16:13quick?
16:13>> I have evidence so I have proof
16:15that like the girl called me. She
16:16literally called me saying that she was
16:18going to have them go shoot up my house.
16:20And then and I straight up told her I'm
16:21in El Paso. I'm with You understand
16:23Spanish?
16:24Me no. Do you understand Spanish? A
16:26little bit, but we know Yeah, I told her
16:27I was like I'm with someone. And many
16:28ways I was like I'm with someone. Can
16:30you leave me alone?
16:31>> [clears throat]
16:31>> You guys left here. You went to El Paso.
16:33You went to the party. The party got
16:34busted up and you guys went to Trasval
16:36and then you came back to El Paso.
16:38Right?
16:41Right?
16:42That's the story.
16:44Okay?
16:45So that's where you got to really think
16:47about what you're saying to do cuz right
16:49now your future your life is
16:51Yeah, it's on the line. And again
16:55your involvement versus what you're
16:56responsible for. Okay? You're not
16:58responsible for everything that happened
16:59out there that night, right?
17:01Well, I don't I don't know what happened
17:03to me. I mean I'm just Here's the thing.
17:05I've I've even thought this up. So I
17:06know for a fact all these little car
17:08meetups, right? What do we What do we
17:10call them? Tingle words? What do we call
17:11them? Car meets. That's what I Car meets
17:13are running, right? Everybody's doing
17:14the donuts.
17:15Everybody's got a gun. They even got a
17:17lighter or laser on it. They shine them
17:19on the tires when everybody's doing
17:21donuts and [ __ ] like that. Tell me I'm
17:22wrong.
17:23I'm correct, right? Well, cuz when I go
17:25to see them
17:26>> a lot of people tell me that that's what
17:28they do. Like, "Oh no, I wasn't you
17:29know, it's not to threaten anybody."
17:31Right?
17:32But if somebody does something that
17:34threatens you, do you have the right to
17:35to react? Oh, yeah. It's called
17:38self-defense. Okay.
17:40So what's the difference of of you
17:42giving a version of self-defense versus
17:44you giving a version that you weren't
17:45even there? Everything's going to point
17:47to to the fact that you were there.
17:49Whether it's the cell phones, it's it's
17:51the cameras, it's the videos, it's your
17:54brother, it's the family members who who
17:56know that you have the ongoing beef with
17:57the two of them.
17:59Putting you there.
18:01Like you guys's name right away that
18:03dropped out.
18:05Okay?
18:07But it's it's the narrative that you
18:08want to go and I will I've been doing
18:10this a very long time.
18:11I don't know if you remember meeting you
18:13a while back. Oh, yeah? Yeah.
18:15So I hope I treated you fair. No, you
18:18did No, honestly you're quite You're the
18:19quiet one. You're not really the type to
18:20talk. So but
18:23the thing is everybody has their their
18:24stories, right?
18:25>> Mhm.
18:26So you've got to give your side of your
18:28version. You're not culpable for
18:29responsible for every single thing every
18:32single shot that went off, right?
18:34You're not responsible for all
18:35everything, right? And you shouldn't be
18:37responsible for that, right?
18:39They're going to be responsible on their
18:40side as well.
18:41Okay?
18:43So it's not just like, "Hey, let's dump
18:44on dump on the Ribas brothers."
18:46That's how it's how it is. That's how
18:48it's The Ribas brothers they actually
18:50Ribas brothers are But I'm trying to
18:51tell like just told That's the first
18:52thing they did. They called me to They
18:54They were saying They even giving my
18:55sister's address. So they even sent me a
18:57screenshot of my mom's location. Yeah,
18:59we just talked to that girl. That's what
19:01we're here to do. I'm like that's like
19:02that that ain't right. That ain't right.
19:04I didn't have nothing to do with that.
19:05pissed me off because my sister and I
19:07have my nephew living I have my sister
19:09my nephew both of my nieces are there,
19:11you know? Mhm. And we got cameras. So I
19:13told them I was like, "You can do
19:14whatever you want to do. I have cameras.
19:16I have everything and I can prove
19:17everything." Just like you guys want to
19:19say that it's us pointing fingers right
19:21away.
19:22I'm I'm going to finger you. You're
19:23talking about them or us? No. Them.
19:24Them. Them.
19:26Yeah. No, you're good. You're good.
19:27Talking about them. But yeah, I told the
19:29girl and like I said I was just like
19:32Cuz right right away I got a call I
19:34don't know.
19:35I'm guessing that I don't know what time
19:37it happened, but I got a call at like 30
19:3910.
19:40And that's when I was already in El
19:41Paso. It didn't happen there.
19:43I don't know. That's what I say.
19:44>> Don't say they called you. You
19:45You [ __ ] yourself again. No, that's
19:47the time where I don't know around like
19:4810 9:30 I don't know. That's I have the
19:50phone. I can show you. Yeah. And I
19:52didn't catch myself in a lot of trouble.
19:54So, you just you just you just
19:56Honestly honestly you guys are just I
19:58got I got to show you my my phone call
20:00at 10:20. I don't even know. I just know
20:02I got a call around that time. I could
20:04show you guys. So, but the thing is is
20:06Nathan she talked with Nathan. We talked
20:09with Nathan.
20:10He give us the BS it it very very very
20:12changed a little by little
20:14up to what it was, okay? They're trying
20:17to protect you and him.
20:18And then when we showed them the video
20:19and the photos and stuff like that
20:21there's three.
20:23They get into his car and leave. Then
20:24it's like
20:26it was those three.
20:28Right? Mhm.
20:30What you guys do last time with Gustavo?
20:33I sent him a message.
20:36You you you know what happened?
20:38Right?
20:39This is This is a lot more serious.
20:41>> Well, it's cuz you guys have could get
20:42search warrants to our houses anything
20:44like All that is happening. I hope it
20:46does cuz I I said I I hope it does cuz
20:48you guys will find anything like we need
20:50find whatever
20:51we we get recovered. What get recovered?
20:54It literally happened last night. Mhm.
20:55So, whatever you guys need to do go for
20:57it. But we're not that naive either,
20:59dude. No, I'm not being naive. I'm just
21:01saying like
21:02>> Even if it happened and you were to El
21:03Paso then it opens the doors for so many
21:05other things.
21:06Destruction of evidence getting rid of
21:08it this this and that, right? So, with
21:11all this stuff that's going on, right?
21:12We know
21:13I'm going to tell you what we what we
21:14we're going to tell But technically what
21:16I
21:17can I tell you from my point of view?
21:18>> It looks like you guys are trying to
21:19throw No, like everybody's just trying
21:21to throw somebody What does it
21:22Everybody's trying to? Look, we're here
21:24to get the truth and the facts.
21:27I told you I did not told you that they
21:28told me that they had guns.
21:30Right?
21:31So, when we go and collect everything
21:34the guns that are associated with them
21:36will be matched up to them.
21:38The stuff that is is associated with you
21:40guys will be associated to you. So, at
21:41that point
21:43where whatever this gun did that
21:45person's responsible.
21:47Whatever these guns did these persons
21:49are responsible. Does that make sense?
21:50You shouldn't be responsible for theirs.
21:52And that's what we're here to talk about
21:53and figure out is you guys are only
21:55responsible for what you did. And what
21:58you did is why we're
22:00why did
22:02The why is always the biggest question.
22:05Understand? Yes, sir. Whether it was
22:07fear, retaliation, or
22:09starting one of the It's not one of
22:11those, right?
22:13I know there's a beef for me. That's
22:15right.
22:17Correct?
22:20I said I don't consider myself to have
22:22problems with anybody. I have two kids.
22:23I'm too
22:25This goes So, this goes completely
22:27against what everybody else does. No,
22:28no, I know, but like
22:29>> But you guys had beef that night last
22:31night. I I said I don't have beef. I
22:33don't have beef with
22:35Words words exchanged, right?
22:38Talking to me and you guys have the
22:39video, right? Yeah. And we have tons of
22:41witnesses.
22:44You know, that that that's the hard
22:46thing, bro.
22:48And and and the best thing for us on
22:50some of those situations are is we have
22:52people who don't know you and don't know
22:54them
22:56who are 100 They're unbiased. They don't
22:59They're not picking sides. They tell
23:00what they saw. I know I'm I'm on this
23:03case as community watch too and I've
23:04been seeing them I've been seeing
23:05everything.
23:06>> Everybody has an opinion on the
23:07community watch. Yeah.
23:08But the people who talked to us are
23:10unbiased.
23:11The ones we talked to last night don't
23:13know you don't know them. This is what
23:15they saw.
23:17Right?
23:20Somebody go your side somebody go their
23:22side, but it all depends on what you
23:24know, what's consistencies, right?
23:27For what you tell us
23:29there's a consistency okay, this is what
23:31a witness told us that had nothing to do
23:32with either one of you guys. This is
23:33what they saw.
23:35Okay?
23:36Does it match his story? Does it match
23:37their story?
23:39Okay?
23:40Who's going to get a greater Who has a
23:41greater weight? You, them, or this
23:43independent witness?
23:45I really don't Or the independent
23:46witness, right? Cuz they have no they
23:48have no
23:49fighting
23:50They have no dog in the fight.
23:53You know what I'm saying?
23:55But to completely remove yourself from
23:57it when we know you're there Nathan was
23:59there.
24:00And then smarten up a little bit.
24:02All right?
24:04Nathan was able to give his narrative,
24:06right?
24:07So, now if your narrative doesn't match
24:09his narrative how bad does that look for
24:10both you guys?
24:14We got Gustavo, right? They're picking
24:15him up, right? Mhm.
24:17When he comes in and he gives us a third
24:18narrative
24:20how does that look for the three of you
24:21guys?
24:23Right?
24:25And And that's the important thing.
24:27We're not trying to sell you short.
24:29It's It's It's giving you opportunities.
24:31No, I know, but I'm just I just talked
24:33to This stuff, right? big situation And
24:36it's weird So, for we're on a kind of a
24:37different side. We sat here for hours
24:39and talked to Nathan, right? Where he
24:41started with the same story you did of
24:44we were in El Paso. I got this flyer. I
24:47got a call. We went to El Paso. All this
24:50stuff, right? We showed him things
24:53like we have cameras all over the city
24:55that take pictures of license plates,
24:57right? Video. You guys were not in El
25:00Paso until way after the shooting, okay?
25:03We know that for a fact. That's done.
25:05Like that's We know that.
25:07It took a long time for Nathan to come
25:09off of that and change his story
25:11and tell us what that you guys were at
25:13the park.
25:15You guys were at the park. Your sister
25:16was at the park. Your nephew was at the
25:18park. You guys were standing there
25:20watching the Infiniti do donuts or the
25:23not the Infiniti of blue car do donuts.
25:25There is a what a C-Pac right there
25:27doing stuff and somebody, you know,
25:30calls Gustavo over and some beef starts,
25:32right? Like
25:35that like
25:36show you
25:38He drew this for me.
25:40Right? Like yes, your brother drew that
25:42for me. I'll show it to you later if you
25:44start I mean I'm just showing you proof
25:46that
25:47like we're not lying to you making up
25:49some BS story that your brother told us
25:52something.
25:54Right? Like I'm not I'm not lying to you
25:56on that. We we sat here for But we
25:58worked him into that situation, right?
26:00We had a long conversation with him
26:02where we're kind of coming at you
26:03already where you're still stuck in that
26:04place of like this is my story and we're
26:06coming to you like we already know this
26:07isn't true, right? So, we don't kind of
26:09have that
26:10dynamic with each other like we did with
26:12Nathan, but we're kind of just trying to
26:14skip ahead and just, you know,
26:16be like we already know that you guys
26:18being in El Paso isn't true. We know
26:20that you guys did go to El Paso after
26:22the shooting. You were going to go to
26:24that party. There was cops outside of
26:25the party. So, then you guys left. And
26:28you allegedly went to Transmountain
26:29where you guys did whatever.
26:31That's the story. That's not the true
26:33story.
26:38Right? So,
26:40we have video of some some video of the
26:43shooting and what you I think what you
26:46say something about like the us having
26:47stuff to be able to clear up images and
26:49whatever. That's not true. That's all
26:51fake CSI.
26:52That's TV show. That's fake. They call
26:54it the CSI effect, right? That's not
26:55real, right? And
26:57>> you guys had technology. No, I wish we
26:58did. I wish No, we don't. But we have a
27:01lot of video footage, right? And we have
27:04a story that or we have a video of
27:07people getting into Nathan's car. It is
27:09the red Mercedes. We have video of
27:11shooters getting into his car.
27:14There's He told us initially that
27:16there's two shooters that it's Josiah
27:18and Gustavo are the two shooters, right?
27:21And that they get into his car and that
27:22all four of you drive to El Paso
27:24together.
27:25We have video that it's three shooters
27:27get into his car.
27:28Pictures. Right? Three shooters.
27:31He said I'm not
27:33a shooter and I sat here and said I'm
27:34like it's either you or it's your
27:36brother Tomas that is the shooter.
27:38And he said I don't know. I
27:40I I was in the driver's seat. I didn't I
27:42didn't shoot. And we said then who is
27:43that person and he said oh it's it's
27:45it's Tomas. He's the he's the fourth
27:47shooter.
27:49I third I'm sorry.
27:56You know, and and just to support the
27:58you guys with that.
28:00You see our big camera that's right
28:01there in the corner of the gas station?
28:03big trailer
28:05Oh, the one by the Yes. Oh, it's the one
28:07by the gas station, right? I don't know.
28:09There's one at the shelter. You know
28:10what I mean?
28:12Yeah. Yeah, you see it? So,
28:15I mean that's where where where we're
28:16putting you guys with everything and and
28:17just go outside of that only makes you
28:19look bad. You guys look bad.
28:22Another thing like I'm not with LCPD.
28:24Like I'm with the the FBI. Yeah,
28:26obviously. Do you Are you familiar with
28:28like FBI? No, this is my first time.
28:30Okay, so but you know what the FBI is.
28:32Um Federal Bureau of Investigation.
28:34>> Yes, but it's it's a federal agency,
28:36right? So, we do different types of
28:37charges and state charges. Yeah, it's
28:39way different. It's way different.
28:41>> Yes, and it's it's if you get federal
28:44time you are serving all of your federal
28:47time and it's not like on the state side
28:49where you get 5 years and you're going
28:51in and maybe doing two or you're going
28:53to plead incompetence and that doesn't
28:55that's not how the federal system works.
28:57You go for 18 years and you are going to
28:59jail to federal prison for 18 years away
29:01from your family, away from your
29:03children. You have two kids, right?
29:06You're not seeing them. And
29:08we're bringing
29:09these charges federal, okay? And this
29:13isn't like they told you this is the
29:14biggest case in Saw Bowling Alley.
29:16>> No, I know since the massacre that's
29:17what I've seen
29:19in the West Coast news.
29:20>> Yeah, there's three three people are
29:22dead right now. There's probably going
29:23to be a fourth person dead. And there's
29:2514 other people that are innocent people
29:27that are shot.
29:29Right? Like these this is going to be a
29:30big charge where people can go to jail
29:32for the rest of their life.
29:33Okay? And
29:35we're not wanting to put that on anybody
29:37who didn't do it. Especially somebody
29:39who has two children that they need to
29:40take care of.
29:42Like I don't want, you know, you to go
29:43to jail because your brother's putting
29:45your name out there and then you don't
29:46see your kids until you're an old man.
29:48And they don't know you.
29:50You know what I mean?
29:53Oh, yeah. I know what
29:55I
29:57I mean I don't know. Can
29:59I just Can I just hold you down till
30:01tomorrow or No, that's not how No.
30:04That's not how it works. Um now is your
30:07only We're talking to you right now.
30:09We're here to get your side of the story
30:10and figure out what the truth is.
30:13By the time court comes, we're already
30:14going to have our charges.
30:16And they don't usually let I mean I
30:18can't speak, but they don't usually let
30:20people like If you're a defendant, they
30:22don't usually let you sit go onto the
30:24stand to speak. So, typically, right now
30:27is going to be your chance to say your
30:29truth of what happened.
30:31So, we have Nathan's truth.
30:33We have these other people's truth,
30:35right? But we also have the media where
30:37their story is going to be these two
30:39gangs, rival groups, what they call it,
30:41right? You know what everyone's going to
30:42infer on that. Don't care about anybody
30:44and they're just shooting into this
30:46crowd
30:47of people. They're just willing like
30:48shooting everybody because they don't
30:50care about the community. They don't
30:51care who gets shot. They're selfish
30:52people just, you know, worried about
30:54violence and killing people. And I don't
30:55think that's who you guys are. I don't
30:58think that's who you are.
31:00Um
31:01I don't want that to be the story that
31:03comes out. That's what they're going to
31:04say to the jury
31:05if if you don't tell us your side of the
31:07story.
31:18I don't know. I'm just like So, you've
31:21seen the social media stuff, right?
31:22>> Yeah. What's What's the term that's
31:24thrown around all the time is now being
31:26thrown around with this? Uh
31:29I'm not really sure. I just seen the
31:30videos. Mass shooting. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
31:32Okay. So, wait like she talked about the
31:33media, the press, and what
31:35everybody else out there. They didn't
31:36mass shoot. When they talk about mass
31:38shooting,
31:40they look at one or two people
31:41responsible for it. It's a one-sided
31:43affair, correct? This is not a one-sided
31:46affair.
31:46But the only way we can get that out is
31:49our truthful
31:51mostly truthful statements from you
31:53guys. Mhm.
31:55Can I get my sister and her baby daddy
31:57as a witness? They saw
32:00They They could tell you guys
32:01everything. Yeah. What Yeah, we'll talk
32:03to people like anybody that you want to
32:06talk to, but
32:07What they What are they a witness to?
32:09Like will you tell us what happened that
32:11night?
32:13I don't know. Just We have everything
32:16Whatever you guys think, I have an
32:18answer for everything. So, But we don't
32:20know what to ask them.
32:22And that's the thing. What you tell
32:23Remember what I said about consistencies
32:24in statements? So, what you tell us, we
32:27go and talk to your your sister, your
32:29brother-in-law. What they tell us, if
32:31it's consistent with what you say,
32:34whose credibility is that to Me.
32:36Yours. So, you're helping yourself
32:39your credibility with all that. But it
32:41just got to start with you.
32:43I don't know. I'm just How am I supposed
32:45to go about getting to leave that?
32:47Okay. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
32:49>> Well, everything happened last night and
32:50it just everything's [ __ ]
32:52Right? That's what we just said.
32:53Everything's [ __ ]
32:54But now, how do we start repairing that?
32:57How do we start looking out for your
32:58best interest? How do we start moving
32:59you forward in life?
33:01Okay? Responsibility is responsibility.
33:04But you got to start looking at
33:05accepting responsibilities and moving
33:07forward with your life.
33:08Okay? Being negative about it is not
33:11especially with these guys. It's not
33:12>> No, I know. Yeah, you guys are right.
33:14No. And we'll
33:15I can tell you what our story is right
33:17now.
33:17Right? This And
33:20if we leave with this story today, you
33:22are going to jail.
33:24And you will be in jail until you go to
33:26court. And you will not see your kids.
33:28It's And it's months to put together an
33:30investigation. Like it isn't a couple
33:32days.
33:32>> after today I'm going to stay in jail?
33:34If if what the story that Nathan just
33:36told us and you don't tell us anything
33:38different, right? Like the story that we
33:40have from Nathan is you you are the
33:43shooter. You're the third shooter that
33:45gets into his car. And if you don't tell
33:46us anything different, we're going to
33:48That's all we have to go on. You are
33:49going to be the third shooter that got
33:51into the car. And that's how this
33:53investigation's going to going to work.
33:55I'm not a shooter. I don't have a
33:56firearm. I can't even be around
33:57firearms. Okay. I mean that's what your
33:59brother said, too. He said he doesn't
34:00have one, either. And it's either him or
34:03you in the car.
34:05Right? So, it's it's
34:07We know Josiah is a shooter. We know
34:09Gustavo is a shooter.
34:10You or your brother is the other
34:12shooter. And we know that. And that's
34:14the question I posed to him. And he said
34:18You can get a firearm pretty easy. I
34:19know he said you don't own any. It's not
34:20a question about owning one.
34:22>> easy. It's on the streets. But even I
34:25can't
34:26If I'm being honest, um
34:28not that long ago in the past, well, I
34:29had an incident and I'm going to court
34:31right now for it. Okay.
34:32>> So, this This is what I'm saying. Why
34:33would I risk it? Throw my life away for
34:36it. So, Yeah. I mean I like which I'm
34:38dumb ass I understand. Yeah, I I
34:40understand where you're coming from. I'm
34:41just telling you if if you don't give us
34:44something different,
34:46we only have that to go on. You know?
34:48And he told us 95% of the truth.
34:52And then didn't 99% of the truth and
34:54didn't give us the last 1% of putting
34:58a gun in his hand, he put the gun in
35:00your hand.
35:01And that's what we have like, you know,
35:04he's truthful up to that point. So,
35:06that's what we have to believe if that's
35:08only story we have.
35:11Right? Like does that make sense? Do you
35:12know where I'm coming Do you understand
35:14where I'm coming from?
35:16And was Nathan there right now? If you
35:18don't mind me asking. He's Holding your
35:20hands.
35:21>> He's in the holding cell.
35:25And I get it. He's your He's your
35:26younger brother, right? Like you don't
35:27want to
35:29You guys are are, you know,
35:31supposed to be there for each other and
35:32defend each other, but
35:36that's what
35:37I know it's a hard situation. And this
35:39is honestly the time to be there for
35:40each other, to defend each other.
35:42Because again, it looks bad on you guys,
35:44right? I don't know. I'm not even going
35:45to get to go home with my kids after
35:47today. But But to come forward
35:49home with my kids and I'm not even going
35:50to be able to do that, you see? But you
35:52But you have the potential to where you
35:54can go home later. Where if we go off of
35:56Nathan's story, you're not going to be
35:57going home for a very, very long time.
36:00Right?
36:01>> Well, I know it's I didn't shoot. They
36:02have cameras. They have everything. You
36:04guys That's why I say you guys
36:07You show me everything and I can see I
36:09mean I can show you this and show kind
36:10of
36:22So, we have
36:25That's Nathan's car. Uh-huh. We know
36:28that for a fact. He told us that's his
36:29car.
36:30Right?
36:34This car's locked at this point.
36:36You say in part from our earlier video.
36:39This car gets unlocked by a key fob. His
36:41lights flash. Boop boop. You know,
36:42unlocking a car from the outside.
36:45These three people are shooting.
36:48These We know shooter, shooter, shooter.
36:51They all get into this car and this car
36:53leaves.
36:54Nathan said, "I'm already in the
36:56driver's seat of this car."
36:58That's Gustavo. That's Josiah. That's
37:01you.
37:03I don't even have a tool to do anything
37:04like that. Okay.
37:06>> have nothing like that. You guys can go
37:07check my house.
37:08>> Yeah, but but I'm Who is that then?
37:11I don't know.
37:15Who is this person that gets into the
37:16car that you were in that drives to El
37:18Paso? There's four people in this car.
37:22These three people are shooting. Who is
37:24that person?
37:33Yeah.
37:34Good. Mhm.
37:36I don't have no idea like that. Cuz it's
37:38it's coming down.
37:40Okay?
37:41And again, it's We know
37:44these are shooters, right? They're
37:46shooting this way, but we also know that
37:48rounds are shooting this way, right?
37:50What happens to this car?
37:52Who's? Your brother's car.
37:54When does the When did the bullet hole
37:55open and fire happen?
37:57Um
38:00That was honestly that had happened like
38:02last week. That had happened like a week
38:04ago or
38:04>> He told us that it happened at a
38:05bonfire. Yeah, and somebody pulled up to
38:07him at a red light and he did that to
38:09him. So, That was inconsistent. What did
38:12we just do right there?
38:14Huh? He had an opportunity to give
38:16consistent story for what he said.
38:18Cooperation. Corroborated his story of
38:21saying that the bullet holes didn't come
38:22to his car that night, which he did tell
38:24us.
38:25He said it happened right when he got
38:26the car. Yeah, it was the night that he
38:28got the car, which was like a couple
38:29like a week ago or Yeah. So, there goes
38:31your credibility.
38:32Starting to fall apart, right?
38:35Continue with it.
38:36Do you feel
38:37Do you want a piece of pizza, man? We
38:39got pizza. No, I'm okay. I'm just sad.
38:42I If I'm being honest, I'm worried at
38:44the fact that I'm not going to be able
38:45to see my kids after today. Yeah, and
38:47and and that's what
38:49I know that's I know Yeah, I heard you
38:50talk about your kids before and I'm like
38:52I can tell your kids are important to
38:53you. And if you didn't have anything to
38:55do with this, you should be able to be
38:58near your kids. Like I don't We don't
38:59want to take somebody away from their
39:00kids who didn't do anything wrong.
39:02>> nice to hear, you see? And And the only
39:04reason I came in is
39:06maybe this will help you out, but we're
39:08charging your brother, your other
39:09brother, too. He wasn't there. He wasn't
39:11there. He wasn't there. But he wasn't
39:12there. He was told the story
39:15by Nathan.
39:16So, and he's telling us the story that
39:18Nathan related. Including Nathan
39:20shooting.
39:22Okay?
39:23Including Nathan shooting and saying
39:24that uh that one guy had took Gustavo in
39:27a headlock
39:29and then him and Josiah shot him.
39:31And he was talking about uh
39:34and and those guys in the previous beat.
39:36So, he wasn't there, which we can
39:38corroborate. So, he's not going to get
39:40charged, but
39:41he's it, see?
39:43Okay? So, his statement is matching
39:46Nathan's statement.
39:47Which is matching some
39:48>> Even more Even more stuff that Nathan
39:50didn't even tell us.
39:52Okay? So, it
39:53Everyone Everyone even your sister
39:55corroborated stuff with what she saw.
39:58When she showed up Well, I could have
40:00ran the way he did. Yes, but she's
40:02corroborating that you're involved in
40:05this.
40:06Okay? So, I'll let you talk to him. I
40:08just want you to know Look, this is not
40:10some conspiracy to get you. Okay? We
40:13know what the truth is.
40:15Yeah. And honestly, surprisingly
40:18everyone has told the truth
40:20so far. Which normally is not the case.
40:22Most people won't tell us the truth,
40:24believe me. It's most people do not. But
40:27everyone Both your brothers have at
40:30least told 99% of the truth. And
40:33it again it puts you there
40:36in the midst of this shooting. You know,
40:38if you want to say you didn't shoot and
40:40we can talk about it. You can talk about
40:41it, and that's fine, but
40:43can't cannot say you weren't there,
40:44okay? And you cannot say you weren't
40:46involved in the don't want this beef
40:47because
40:48you
40:49Your brother You know, your other
40:50brother he even knows exactly what the
40:52beef is and Nathan told him the whole
40:54story afterwards. Okay? So, let me know
40:56if you want that pizza, but please just
40:58be honest with me cuz it'll help you
41:00out.
41:00>> I just want to know if I'll be able to
41:01see my kids. You got to think about You
41:04got to think about the short game and
41:05the long game, right?
41:07You're in the long game right now. I
41:08know. You just got to How do you
41:10minimize
41:12that long game for yourself?
41:14Does that make sense? I don't even know,
41:15to be honest. I just
41:17You be be truthful and honest about it.
41:19Can Can you talk about what you did?
41:22What you did. Or what you didn't do.
41:24Yeah. And not what everybody's going to
41:26say you guys did.
41:28Okay?
41:30I didn't do anything. That's all I got,
41:32and I'm I'm just I'm getting blamed for
41:34it, but Well, what did you Then what did
41:36you see happen?
41:38What they told you? Yeah, but we need we
41:40can't we can't have that. We need we
41:42need They took that away. Could I have
41:44my jacket at the hospital? I know what I
41:46was wearing. It was brown with black
41:47sleeves.
41:49Um you guys will see it. Okay. Um
41:52So, um
41:54This So, so what happened like when you
41:57guys got to the meet?
41:59What happened?
42:00I was walking with my nephew. Okay. How
42:03did you get there? Um
42:05With my aunt and my sister. Your sis You
42:06came with your sister.
42:07>> Mhm. Okay.
42:09And then I was walking with my nephew,
42:10and they They had cocked their guns.
42:13Who did? They They did. Were they Yeah,
42:16who's they? Um
42:18Bam Bam. He goes by Bam Bam, their
42:20cousin. I don't know who he is. I just
42:22What he look like? He had really long
42:24hair. I don't know if you guys saw him
42:26yesterday. Long hair? Okay. Or like
42:27today, I don't know. He has really long
42:29hair. They all just cocked it, and we
42:31were with my nephew. Okay.
42:33So, what I was doing with my
42:35brother-in-law, he took me back.
42:38Your nephew? Yeah, and um
42:42Who am I am?
42:43He just From there just he went to go
42:45say hi to one of his friends that was by
42:47them. Antonino.
42:50Okay. Um and
42:52he'll tell you this too. Yeah, yeah,
42:54we'll talk to him. Yeah. Um Antonino
42:56literally just dabbed him up like a
42:58regular person, and they were about to
43:00hit him, and then
43:01I just see that one walk up to the
43:04to them to take care of my
43:06brother-in-law. And that's when I see
43:07the big guy grabbing that one. Okay. He
43:10was choking about it. Okay. About about
43:12it, and that's when they pulled out
43:13their guns. Okay. So, they That's a
43:15consistent thing that we're getting is
43:16they seem to have started
43:19this whole thing. Which that's good I
43:21mean for you guys like that's You guys
43:24are defending people, you know, so after
43:26that happens
43:28Gustavo is getting choked. What happens
43:29after they pull out their guns? What
43:30happens after that? I was worried about
43:32my nephew, so we we ran.
43:34You ran? Yeah. Where'd you run to? My
43:36sister's car.
43:38Your sister's car?
43:39Okay. You could see it in the video,
43:41matter of fact. It's a white Nissan in
43:43the video. I don't know if you seen the
43:44video of
43:46Mhm.
43:47So, but your
43:49Your sister wasn't there, right? She
43:50left to get food.
43:52No, she was there.
43:53She was watching She
43:55She saw everything happen. She saw the
43:57whole shooting. Yes, she saw everything
43:58happen. For
43:59me, he can tell you everything hands
44:00down. Okay.
44:02So
44:03Who's with you when you run to your
44:04sister's car?
44:06Just me and my nephew. Just you and your
44:07nephew? Okay. And what happens after
44:10that? They
44:11just They were shooting. That's it.
44:13Okay. Did you see your brother Oh, I
44:16honestly know. It's just crazy,
44:18honestly. You just hear the
44:21Okay.
44:22So
44:24Now that you're like being truthful with
44:25us, I'll show you this the the thing
44:27that your brother drew us, and I'll tell
44:28you what
44:29he told us cuz it's not the same as what
44:31you're telling us. So, he says that you
44:34guys went there together.
44:36He says that he picks you up because
44:37they were waiting for you because you
44:39got off of work late cuz you work
44:41and cuz you have kids, take care of your
44:43kids. So, um and you're working to get a
44:45car. Yeah. He said He said you're
44:47working to get a car. So, you're at work
44:49and that you weren't ready yet, so they
44:51were waiting for you. Um
44:54So, they go to pick you up, and you guys
44:56end up The plan wasn't to go
44:58to the meet. You guys were going to go
45:00to El Paso.
45:01All this other stuff happened. You guys
45:03end up going to the the meet, and that
45:05you guys are hanging out. You're
45:06watching the donuts right here in the
45:07parking lot, right?
45:09This is where um
45:11Gustavo gets grabbed in the choke hold,
45:14and this is Josiah.
45:16And somebody starts shooting at Josiah.
45:18Josiah starts shooting back.
45:20And that initially he said that you guys
45:23ran to the restroom together with your
45:24nephew. And you guys are hiding in the
45:26restroom together. No, he was with my
45:29sister.
45:30>> Okay.
45:31You guys are waiting here, he said right
45:33here. This is like the dots. And then he
45:34says that by himself he runs this way to
45:38his car.
45:40With his car. And then he gets in his
45:42car
45:43and starts it, and he's trying to leave.
45:46And then he says that Gustavo and Josiah
45:48come up and are knocking on the windows.
45:50Hey, let us in. Let us in. We need to
45:51get out of here. And then they get in
45:53the car, and then he says afterwards
45:55that you run up.
45:57He's like, I don't know where he was.
45:58Initially thought that he was taking my
46:00nephew to my sister's car. And then runs
46:02in.
46:03Well, I left, but After we showed him
46:05these pictures
46:07he says, "Well, I don't really know
46:09where my brother was.
46:11I'm in the car, so that's him.
46:14He's like, I I ran to my car by myself.
46:17I didn't do anything. It wasn't me. I
46:20actually don't know where Tomas was.
46:23He's the shooter. I'm not the shooter."
46:25And that's that's the story we have. You
46:27can see in this drawing. That's my
46:28handwriting cuz I just wrote down This
46:30is his drawing of what happened and his
46:33path of where he ran, where you guys
46:35were. He's putting you guys together the
46:38whole time. He's putting you in his car
46:39there and leaving.
46:41He doesn't say you came with your
46:43sister. He doesn't say you leave with
46:44your sister.
46:51I don't know. I'm just
46:56I hope they find whoever did it. That's
46:58it. We didn't shoot. We did.
47:03It was
47:04We did.
47:06Okay.
47:09That's why I'm right here.
47:11You got to help yourself start helping
47:12yourselves out.
47:14Okay?
47:16Just like I told you the Remember the
47:17side by side? I know it was there.
47:20Perfect witness. Okay.
47:22Outside of her, people said
47:24the
47:25the Rivas brothers came
47:27The cousins. Not Not the
47:30The street brothers of like the Rivas
47:32brothers came up
47:33and and had the beef the original
47:35dispute beef with
47:40Frenchie went all right from there.
47:43Again, we talk about positioning and
47:44stuff like that. As she talks about you
47:46going this direction.
47:47If somebody goes down behind the red car
47:49over here or there is that going to be
47:51you guys?
47:53If you guys shoot I'm going to say
47:54theoretically this is you guys shooting
47:55in the direction she told you were.
47:57Could you explain it a little bit
47:58better? My bad. I'm sorry.
48:00You You're You're right in the right.
48:02We're shooting and you guys are shooting
48:03this direction, right?
48:04Mhm. If somebody goes down and shot by
48:06something back here or we have a strike
48:09on the building or we have a strike on
48:10the car
48:11is that you guys? Or is that the other
48:13people shooting at you guys? That's the
48:15other people.
48:15>> The other people shooting at you guys.
48:17Okay?
48:18That gives a clarity of okay, what's
48:20going on. It's not one-sided.
48:22But again, we talk about the media and
48:23everything out there. They're going to
48:24push a one-sided thing, right?
48:26We will stand up and say this is exactly
48:28what our investigation shows that it's
48:31two peop- two groups of people that had
48:33a dispute.
48:35And this group says this one started it.
48:36This one says that group started it, but
48:38they're both responsible for shooting
48:40guns and injuring people.
48:42You should only be responsible for what
48:44you did. Not what they did. Minimizing
48:47what I did.
48:47>> I didn't shoot. That's all I can say.
48:49I'm being honest. I honestly hands down
48:51I didn't shoot. I I said I can't be
48:53around that stuff. I I really can't.
48:56Dude
48:57How long do you think I've been around
48:59hearing that? I don't know. And your I
49:00mean your brother just sat in that chair
49:02and told us the same thing that he can't
49:05He doesn't want to be shooting. Your his
49:08Dad died. in the position I'm in. Uh
49:10Yeah, I really can't be around them.
49:12Like I'm being dead ass And you said
49:14something about running away with your
49:15nephew.
49:16He said the same exact word.
49:19So, who's running away with your
49:20>> said that I was running with my nephew.
49:22Yeah, that's what you said, right? But
49:23he said the same thing until he turned
49:25and gave the girl stuff. Well, he's he
49:27did he said running with the nephew, and
49:29then when I showed him these pictures
49:31and I said
49:33We know The video shows three shooters
49:35getting into your brother's car. He only
49:37said that Josiah and Gustavo are
49:39shooters. He said all four of you get
49:41into his car, right? So,
49:44when I confronted him with this and I
49:45said this is
49:47either you or your brother.
49:49He said initially that you were running
49:51to with your nephew, but then after I
49:53said this is either you or your brother,
49:56who is it? He said, "Well, I don't
49:57really know where Tomas was. I thought
49:59he was taking my nephew, but I don't
50:00know if he was shooting."
50:03And then he said that that was you
50:05shooting.
50:08I don't know. How was I shooting? I
50:09don't Wait, I don't know if I was even
50:11wearing anything like that. You guys
50:12could go check our house, everything.
50:14>> Okay. So, were you Were you even in El
50:16Paso yesterday? I was. I was. Okay. What
50:19time did you go to El Paso? Uh I'm not
50:21sure. So, How what?
50:23You recognize that?
50:25I'm not. You know, but it's what It's
50:26what It's what your brother shoved into
50:28the house on Renfro when our other
50:29covers were following you today. And
50:31it's what you were wearing that night.
50:33Confirmed by brother's and multiple
50:34witnesses.
50:36This is what they stuffed.
50:39Okay? So, you're already looking at
50:41tampering with evidence on murder just
50:42alone with that.
50:44I don't You know what I mean? But, you
50:46understand what I mean.
50:48So, even without the shooting, tampering
50:50is the same level of crime. Yeah, I
50:53I understand. Okay. I Look, we're trying
50:55to be transparent with you. That's why
50:56I'm coming in and showing this cuz I
50:57don't want you to think that we're just
50:59blowing smoke up your ass and trying to
51:00get you to confess to something that we
51:02have zero evidence. And I just got this.
51:03So, we're trying to be transparent with
51:05you to aid in you telling the truth cuz
51:07at this point, the only thing that
51:09matters is the truth. Not the evidence.
51:11You don't need to concern yourself with
51:12that because trust us, the community is
51:14pouring it in. I mean, pouring Our
51:17inboxes are full, bro. Full.
51:20>> And this isn't usually the case. Like, a
51:22lot of times we don't have the help from
51:24the community, but this case was so big
51:26and so many innocent people were hit and
51:29hurt. And, you know, like your nephew
51:31was there. Well, he's 3 years old. Like,
51:33he could have been hit easy by the
51:34gunfire.
51:36Right? Like, this isn't Like, people
51:37aren't playing messing around with this
51:39one.
51:40It's something we need to figure out the
51:41truth of what's going on.
51:43And you aren't giving us the truth.
51:47Well, I said I was wearing a brown
51:48jacket.
51:49Who was wearing the red jacket? Who was
51:51wearing that jacket?
51:52It's going to be your brother, huh?
51:54No, he was wearing a white hoodie.
51:57But, there's only four people in the
51:58car.
52:05Right?
52:07Do you understand how this isn't looking
52:09good for you? Yeah, like it Not not for
52:12us. Not for you and your For you.
52:14Your brother already made himself
52:16>> [snorts]
52:16>> look better than you are. He's saying,
52:18"I didn't do anything. I just drove the
52:20car." What? I just I just I was trying
52:22to leave. I'm innocent. I was driving
52:24the car. It was these three other guys
52:26that did all of this.
52:28Right? Like
52:29>> prior. I didn't shoot. I had my brown I
52:31had I could show you guys what a hoodie
52:32I was wearing and everything. It's at my
52:34house on the chair. And you guys will
52:36literally find it. You guys You also
52:38just told us that we would never find
52:39it, right?
52:41And what did we just see you guys dump
52:43today?
52:44I mean, we didn't know right away. You
52:45knew the car was following you, right?
52:47>> [snorts]
52:47>> Our undercovers were following you.
52:48That's why you guys got stopped. That's
52:50why we knew where to go on Renfro to
52:52find them.
52:54As soon as you guys left from there, you
52:55guys got stopped, right?
52:58Right? I but I just I don't know what to
53:01That's why I have my I said you guys
53:03could go to my house. Here's the That's
53:04where we'll find the jacket that I was
53:05wearing. Here's the thing. We talk about
53:06honesty and truthfulness, right? And how
53:08that's presented. But, every lie that's
53:11told or we would say untruths that are
53:13told, what do you think happens? Check
53:15our Check our Check Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:16And then if we go through all these
53:18things and when we when we go to present
53:19this and say, "Hey,
53:21he lied to us." And we're able to prove
53:22these are untruths.
53:2537 times.
53:28Right?
53:29Again, we talk about your credibility.
53:30Where does that go?
53:31Straight down the tubes, right?
53:32>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I said
53:34you guys could go to my house. Well, and
53:35your and your brother kind of played the
53:36same game as well. He I cuz I asked him
53:39what everyone was wearing.
53:41What did you say he was wearing a white
53:42hoodie? Yeah, like Yeah, he told me he's
53:44wearing a blue hoodie. Yeah.
53:45Oh, actually he was wearing a blue polo
53:47um like a teddy bear. Okay. Yeah, he
53:49tells us that
53:51um and then he's trying to argue. He
53:53tells me
53:54the four of you get into his car to
53:56leave and you guys go to El Paso. For Is
53:58that true? Do you guys leave the
53:59incident and go to El Paso together?
54:01After
54:02After. Okay. So, how did
54:05>> That was I said I was wearing a black
54:07black and brown jacket.
54:08>> Okay. Well,
54:09>> But, this So,
54:11You guys could go to Who who um
54:15What did it look like after the shooting
54:16was over? You run to your sister's car
54:19to
54:20bring your nephew. What happens after
54:21that?
54:21>> We take off a little bit. She's looking
54:23for her baby daddy. So, she You get in
54:25the car with her.
54:25>> Yeah, and I get off the car after to go
54:27with me. Where did you go with Nathan
54:29at?
54:29To his car. I mean, no. Where did you
54:31meet? Like, if you get in your car with
54:32your sister and you leave the park,
54:34where do you guys go where Nathan
54:36picks you up?
54:37>> Right there in there.
54:38Right there. Where is that right there?
54:39More down. Like, you know how you could
54:41get out through there? Just you reverse
54:43and you could get out. So, no video
54:46shows the car stopping and anybody else
54:48getting in that car. No video shows
54:49that.
54:50Right.
54:51Cuz I think the The video That's not
54:53just a photo. No, I mean, that's what
54:55I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
54:56There's videos.
54:57>> Yeah, you guys could look through No
54:58other videos showing that car pull out,
55:00go forward, whatever. So,
55:04>> There's too much cars on this to even
55:05know what's happening. So, what you're
55:06saying is
55:09you don't get into the car in this
55:10parking lot.
55:12Once in the entrance, like what is your
55:14exit? You know how there's a little gate
55:16or anything? Yeah, right there.
55:18So, but right [snorts] here you don't.
55:19>> Mhm.
55:19I already got in I said you guys could
55:21play the video. You guys could see the
55:22white car in the back. So, this has to
55:25be Josiah, Nathan, and Gustavo.
55:28Nathan was wearing a blue polo hoodie.
55:30People can change their clothes. People
55:33can put on different clothes. People can
55:34change clothes.
55:36Obviously, you guys
55:37were found You guys were followed today.
55:40They saw you stop and drop off
55:42that hoodie and some other stuff in a
55:44location.
55:45They pulled you guys in a car. They
55:47pulled that car over. You and your
55:48brother are in that car. They go back
55:50and check that spot. That hoodie's
55:51there.
55:53In your possession. So, somebody was
55:56wearing that hoodie that was shooting
55:58that gun and got into that car. And
56:01like I said, your brother tried to play
56:02this game. It's It's kind of semantics
56:04at this point. You're arguing a color
56:06It's It's not looking good when you're
56:07arguing the color of a shirt in a
56:09shooting situation, right? You get that?
56:11>> like that's what I'm saying. I could
56:12pull the jacket that I was wearing that
56:14night. So, there. And but But, what I'm
56:16saying is if if you didn't get into the
56:19car here, then that has to be your
56:20brother.
56:21If four of The four of you rode down to
56:23El Paso later together.
56:26So, you,
56:27Nathan,
56:28Gustavo, and Josiah go down to El Paso
56:30after this
56:32together, right? When you get into the
56:34car, what are they talking about? What
56:35are they saying?
56:37I don't think that we're just going to
56:38go to El Paso. You guys are just chill?
56:41Like, you guys just got into a huge
56:42shooting and all kinds of bullets flying
56:43everywhere. Like, you guys are just like
56:45chilling in the car. No, well, we're
56:46honestly
56:47>> You're like losing your right?
56:49>> Yeah, we're [ __ ] pants.
56:50>> Yeah. So, what were you guys talking
56:51about?
56:52Cuz I'd be freaking out.
56:54>> know. I was just freaking out, to be
56:55honest. I have never been put through a
56:57situation. Yeah.
56:58>> Same with my nephew. So, that's that's
57:01why I was [ __ ] pants. Honestly, I
57:02was [ __ ] pants. And what your
57:04brother said, too, was that you would
57:05probably pull out your gun to help your
57:07nephew.
57:09I don't really have a gun. That's what
57:10he told us.
57:15He also didn't have a red hoodie. Mhm.
57:17He also didn't have a red hoodie. So,
57:19now we're we're disputing facts from
57:20right here, right? You're That's three
57:22years ago. You're disputing the facts,
57:23right?
57:24But, you're also now earlier just
57:26disputing the facts of what witnessed by
57:28a police officer today.
57:30Mhm.
57:33Doesn't look good.
57:37You told us earlier there was only four
57:39of you guys in that car,
57:41right?
57:43Any other explanation would have to put
57:45five people in that car,
57:48which is unrealistic, untruthful,
57:51inconsistent with anything that's being
57:52said.
57:53But, why are you guys saying that's a
57:54shooter? There's no There's video of of
57:57This is just a still shot from a video.
57:59There's video of all three of these
58:01people shooting muzzle flashes.
58:05Can I see the video by any chance?
58:08I don't have it.
58:09These are just other photos.
58:11>> the majority of this, dude.
58:12You guys have been on social media all
58:13day long.
58:15Since this happened, you guys have been
58:16on social media. People are sending you
58:17the videos. No, I just seen them on my
58:20last shift, but they're all blurry.
58:30Again, you were responsible for what you
58:32did. That wasn't anybody else doing it.
58:35And I am. I am.
58:36I just I don't know. You guys don't
58:38believe me at this point. No, I mean,
58:41we want the truth of what Like, like
58:43we're getting stories from these other
58:45people.
58:46And you're saying you didn't shoot, but
58:49you're not explaining
58:51who other Like, I didn't
58:53>> You're just kind of Well, you guys don't
58:54understand. So, when gunshots are shot,
58:57No, we do understand.
58:58>> to [ __ ] leave.
58:59>> Yeah. You have to leave. And especially
59:00when my nephew's there. That's what you
59:01guys don't understand. Mhm. But, I'm not
59:03going to sit here and explain I don't
59:05explain a file or like, you know? Well,
59:07the That's I'm trying to tell you guys
59:08like I don't have time to even look. I
59:11was just My nephew was my main priority
59:13and get out of there.
59:14Okay.
59:16Why Why would your brother say that
59:17you're shooting?
59:19I don't know.
59:21I would ask him the same thing. I mean,
59:23I have a brother that would
59:26that would that would me up. If I'm your
59:28position and my brother who was like one
59:30of the people I love most in the world
59:32is sitting there saying like I didn't
59:33shoot, Lacy was shooting.
59:35It wasn't me and then I'm like you're
59:36going to put that on me when I didn't do
59:38anything. Like you're the one who made
59:40the choice to go and shoot
59:42get in this situation when his nephew is
59:43there. Your nephew is there. He's
59:45putting your nephew in danger. I
59:46understand that like you know some
59:48happen your friend got put into a
59:49chokehold and he thought maybe he was
59:50going to die. Mhm. Right?
59:53But he knows you have kids. He knows you
59:54have things you're trying to take care
59:55of. You have a court that you're trying
59:56to take care of and he's putting the gun
59:57in your hand.
59:59Like I don't know about that.
1:00:00If that's not the truth.
1:00:03And that's something that you need to
1:00:04think about cuz that's your reality
1:00:06right now.
1:00:07Are you going to choose like yourself or
1:00:09and your kids or are you going to you
1:00:12know sit
1:00:13I'm choosing myself and the kids and my
1:00:15brother but it's just I mean that's kind
1:00:17of the different. You and your You and
1:00:19your kids
1:00:20are here and your brother is over here.
1:00:22Yeah, kind of two different choices.
1:00:24That's not the same choice anymore. He
1:00:26made it two different choices today when
1:00:28he said that you're the one that's
1:00:29shooting and it wasn't him.
1:00:38I said I don't know what to say but Cuz
1:00:40you get into this car and you guys the
1:00:43whole way to El Paso that's an hour
1:00:44drive you're talking about this
1:00:45shooting. You know if your brother shot
1:00:47or not. You know it.
1:00:50You know if you shot, you know if your
1:00:51brother shot. It It You can't play the I
1:00:53don't know game. Like that game doesn't
1:00:55work and it doesn't look good for you.
1:00:58We need There's too much evidence here.
1:01:00There's too many people saying things
1:01:02that you can't just say I don't know I
1:01:04just heard in my sister's car I don't
1:01:05know what happened. You do know what
1:01:06happened.
1:01:08Well, I wouldn't have been that ass. I I
1:01:10don't know I don't know how to get you
1:01:12guys to believe I really But you you're
1:01:13the shooting after that I just All
1:01:15right, well let me take the shooting
1:01:16out, okay? Got it. You got
1:01:18>> somebody I believe You got somebody who
1:01:20says they see a gun in your hand.
1:01:23One of the one of the interviews I did
1:01:24last night they put a gun in each both
1:01:27you and
1:01:28Nathan Salas. Mhm. They put guns in your
1:01:30hands, okay?
1:01:32Person didn't see the shots, they heard
1:01:34shots. But they saw guns in your hand.
1:01:37I see that doesn't mean that you shot
1:01:38it.
1:01:40But this is an independent person who
1:01:41saw a gun in your hand. Mhm.
1:01:44But you're telling us
1:01:47Did we have minimum have that and we
1:01:48have a gun in our hand? I understand the
1:01:50protection. I understand that this
1:01:51stuff's going on. And we know you're at
1:01:53court right now for
1:01:54other stuff like we don't really care
1:01:56about that, right? Like I don't care.
1:01:59I know you care. You care. But we're not
1:02:01we're not
1:02:02Yeah, and we're not like going to be
1:02:04like
1:02:05this We're we're worried about this
1:02:07incident, right? We have We have
1:02:08probably four people dead and we have 13
1:02:11people shot, right? Like this is a a big
1:02:14deal. Like if you just had a gun in your
1:02:15hand I don't I don't really care about
1:02:18that, right? Like And I understand you
1:02:20care.
1:02:21>> I have any more shots. You guys could
1:02:22tell there's No, you can't. That's not
1:02:23really Yeah, they don't they don't do
1:02:24that anymore. It's called GSR. They
1:02:26don't really do that anymore cuz it's
1:02:27not like super accurate, right? But
1:02:29we're not like
1:02:32People are saying you're And
1:02:34if you go with what your brother told
1:02:36us, right? Like you kind of start saying
1:02:38you don't know what happened, you don't
1:02:39know if your brother shooting. I don't I
1:02:41You're saying you didn't shoot, right?
1:02:44I'm not saying I don't believe you with
1:02:45that. What I'm saying is I don't believe
1:02:47your other story about I don't know what
1:02:48happened with the other I don't know
1:02:49about Gustavo shot. I don't know about
1:02:50anybody shooting because I just ran
1:02:52away, right? You worrying about your
1:02:54court stuff and having a gun is going to
1:02:56be nothing compared to what you have
1:03:00what happens with us if you stick with
1:03:03this story. No, can I explain myself?
1:03:05The only reason I'm worried about the El
1:03:07Paso thing Mhm. is because I'm already
1:03:09as it is they're giving me 10 years of
1:03:11probation. Yeah, and I I mean I get why
1:03:13you're worried about it. But 10 years of
1:03:15probation
1:03:15>> wasn't involved in it you know so that's
1:03:17why I'm like I
1:03:18was there but I didn't shoot. I didn't
1:03:20shoot. So but I'm going to talk to
1:03:22Nathan about it too cuz I don't know why
1:03:23he's saying that [ __ ]
1:03:25Yeah, you and you won't be able to talk
1:03:27to Nathan unless you're both in a
1:03:28freaking jail cell together. Uh you like
1:03:30that's going to be it cuz that's the
1:03:33reality of the situation.
1:03:36You get into this car after shooting you
1:03:38guys are all talking about it.
1:03:40You know who shot.
1:03:42You know what happened. I know it's
1:03:44crazy but they're like holy like we just
1:03:46I just shot this dude. Like I know
1:03:48that's the conversation that's happening
1:03:49in that car all the way to El Paso. You
1:03:51know if your brother has a gun
1:03:53in that car.
1:03:56I didn't see him with one.
1:03:58Did you see anybody with a gun in the
1:03:59car?
1:04:02I see us.
1:04:06Who?
1:04:08Esteban photos.
1:04:24You say so those?
1:04:25Mhm. I saw those. Well, we I'm we're
1:04:28telling you all three are shooting cuz
1:04:29you seen the muzzle flashes.
1:04:37Okay?
1:04:46Well, that's what you got to think
1:04:47about. Think about what happened last
1:04:49night. What is like
1:04:50I saw them getting out. I'll be honest
1:04:52with you.
1:04:53That will never see the day of light.
1:04:56With what these guys are looking at.
1:04:58That that that will never see the day of
1:05:00light.
1:05:01You got El Paso stuff.
1:05:03Oh, well.
1:05:04Uh I
1:05:05>> Cuz that's the same thing, right? Um I
1:05:08really don't know to be honest. This is
1:05:09why Peter and Kelly they're going to
1:05:10give you 10 years of probation that's
1:05:11the same thing. Mhm. Okay.
1:05:14That will never see the day of light.
1:05:15That's going to get put on the back
1:05:16burner for what these guys do.
1:05:18Okay.
1:05:19But like I I already said I'm not a
1:05:20shooter or anything like that. I'm still
1:05:22brought in the mix. That's what I'm
1:05:23trying to because of bringing you. Yeah,
1:05:25they're bringing you in the mix.
1:05:26>> people on both sides putting you in the
1:05:28mix. It's just Their side and your side
1:05:30putting you in the mix.
1:05:33I think if you just cranked off rounds
1:05:34to scare people to get them away and not
1:05:36intend to actually shoot somebody.
1:05:38Okay, that's that's that's information.
1:05:41There's a lot of people do that, right?
1:05:44I've never heard of that. That's what we
1:05:46call it spray and pray. It's like I
1:05:47should get the hell out of here, right?
1:05:49If that's what your function was at that
1:05:51time then
1:05:52that's what we need to
1:05:54I didn't shoot. But so no gun was ever
1:05:56fired by you. Real nobody's going to say
1:05:58you fired a gun.
1:06:00I didn't have no fire on. Did anybody
1:06:02going to say you fired the gun? I don't
1:06:04know to be honest. So I just We just
1:06:06told you somebody did. Both of people
1:06:07did. I know there's people saying I did.
1:06:09That's what I'm saying. So all these
1:06:10people are stacking up against you.
1:06:13And what are they going to do? They're
1:06:14going to paint the Reavis brothers They
1:06:16they been painting them Yeah. James and
1:06:19Barry say Reavis brothers are
1:06:21I So if we wanted to follow a narrative
1:06:23would we spend this much time with you?
1:06:25We'd walk out and say yep this is Nolan
1:06:26all about it.
1:06:27They're responsible for every single
1:06:29death there. They're responsible for
1:06:30every single person that was shot.
1:06:33Right?
1:06:35We just won't talk about the guns that
1:06:36they had.
1:06:38No, but
1:06:39The first thing I met her I told her I
1:06:41said I have a family member telling me
1:06:44that those two guys had guns as well.
1:06:47That the Reavis brothers has guns and
1:06:48they had guns as well.
1:06:50Okay?
1:06:51That's one of the first things I told
1:06:52these guys.
1:06:54That's the truth.
1:06:56Right? I'm not picking sides. She's not
1:06:58picking sides.
1:06:59Truth.
1:07:01Right?
1:07:06I want you to be responsible for what
1:07:07happened with you and what you did.
1:07:09I don't want you to be responsible for
1:07:10what
1:07:12what
1:07:13uh
1:07:14did. What the other piece did.
1:07:16Okay?
1:07:18Right?
1:07:20Like uh Wilbert the other detective that
1:07:22was in here or we were talking about
1:07:23earlier the the guy with the the rifle,
1:07:25right?
1:07:27He is painting He is the face of the
1:07:29shooting. of the Las Cruces mass
1:07:31shooting.
1:07:32Undeserving, right?
1:07:35Should you be solely you and your
1:07:37brother solely be the face of this
1:07:39shooting? No. Change the narrative from
1:07:41mass shooting to
1:07:43fight a fight with shots fired.
1:07:48Right?
1:07:56You only you can do that.
1:07:58Mhm. And the things is
1:07:59talking about being accepting
1:08:00responsibility for something like
1:08:03If there's a possible way to find these
1:08:04guns
1:08:05what do we do? We match that stuff up,
1:08:07right? Mhm. That helps to make sure to
1:08:09find them. Yes, that helps. They're
1:08:12still on scene out there.
1:08:14We're collecting
1:08:15everything out on scene there. It's
1:08:16locked down. We're collecting every
1:08:18single bullet at the hospitals. We're
1:08:20collecting everything like that. And if
1:08:21anything tied to you
1:08:22And I didn't shoot. They have
1:08:24>> [snorts]
1:08:26>> There's evidence technicians can line up
1:08:29where shots were were fired, right? Like
1:08:32that's a true thing. And they they get
1:08:34like poles
1:08:36and stuff and laser lights. Yeah, they
1:08:38get lasers and there's this thing called
1:08:39a Faro machine and it 3Ds a whole area
1:08:42and they can put where rounds were
1:08:44coming from, right? So
1:08:47you can put where the person standing
1:08:49right here if there's a person standing
1:08:51over there he shot that person. It came
1:08:53from this gun.
1:08:55Right?
1:08:56If we get stuff coming from this gun
1:08:59that hits people
1:09:01that hits
1:09:03could be one of the killing shot. I
1:09:04don't know.
1:09:05Your brother saying that's you. That
1:09:07murder becomes your murder because your
1:09:10brother is saying that's you.
1:09:11>> That's what he Right? Like that's a big
1:09:14that's a big deal.
1:09:15If you're saying you didn't shoot
1:09:27Mhm.
1:09:29>> Um, so what's going to happen after
1:09:31this?
1:09:33I mean, it depends on what
1:09:36As of right now,
1:09:38we have you both you and your brother
1:09:39dropping off
1:09:41the red hoodie.
1:09:44And a shoot a shoot So, it's
1:09:46A shoot. But you were shooter. Like you
1:09:48and your brother like that's
1:09:51As of right now, that's you with your
1:09:53brother saying.
1:09:55So,
1:09:57depending on what this gun did and
1:09:59honestly, there's a there's a thing
1:10:01called a conspiracy charge, right? With
1:10:03the federal government. So, even if
1:10:07everybody in this car is going to be in
1:10:09big trouble.
1:10:11Potentially, right? But one person, if
1:10:14there's four people in the car, there's
1:10:15only three shooters, one person is in a
1:10:17lot less trouble
1:10:19than these three people.
1:10:20>> [snorts]
1:10:24>> Right. So, we're trying to figure out
1:10:26who's in less trouble than
1:10:30these three.
1:10:32I mean, it's that's it's you or your
1:10:34brother.
1:10:35And we're trying to like I said, figure
1:10:37out.
1:10:45I don't know much. That's I already told
1:10:47you what I knew.
1:10:49That's just how it is. So, if we
1:10:52if we you like DNA, you know, DNA? Yeah,
1:10:55yeah, yeah. Is Okay.
1:10:58If we pull some hair or like
1:11:01something off this hoodie,
1:11:03is [snorts] there any reason
1:11:05that it's going to be you that comes
1:11:06back to anything we find on this hoodie?
1:11:10Can I see the video?
1:11:10>> On the inside.
1:11:13I don't have it.
1:11:17It took a while for us to print these
1:11:18out, so
1:11:20yeah.
1:11:20It's the same thing. We're not going to
1:11:23we're going to give you opportunities to
1:11:24to help yourself help and give What do
1:11:26you want me to do to help myself? We're
1:11:27not going to give you everything that we
1:11:28have. Okay? So, in the same sense, we
1:11:32Wilmer came in and talked about your
1:11:33brother, right? Adrian, right?
1:11:35Adrian was able to tell us the story,
1:11:37tell us some facts.
1:11:39We're going to comb through Adrian's
1:11:40statement.
1:11:42And if he provides some facts
1:11:44that were not released by us, that only
1:11:47the person there or the person telling
1:11:49the story knew,
1:11:51we're going to find those to
1:11:52Okay? The red sweater.
1:11:54She brought it up. Is that going to have
1:11:56your DNA on it?
1:11:59Is that
1:12:01I
1:12:05I might go that far and say yeah. No,
1:12:07no, [laughter] no, no. I might go as far
1:12:09as saying yeah, bro.
1:12:10No.
1:12:11>> I think it might have both of your
1:12:11guys's on it.
1:12:16And it might be more than just DNA.
1:12:21So, we got to think about what we're
1:12:22telling Adrian.
1:12:24We're giving you little by little,
1:12:25right?
1:12:27So, right now, if I don't say anything,
1:12:29I'm going to straight up get locked up,
1:12:30right?
1:12:32Regardless of what the situation is.
1:12:33>> No, I mean, we're still going to
1:12:34investigate, right? But there's only so
1:12:36much that we I mean, like you said,
1:12:38there is video, but you can't see who
1:12:41people are. So, we have to go based off
1:12:42of what people say.
1:12:44Right? I just
1:12:47I don't know whatever
1:12:49Well, how do I say that? I want to
1:12:51whatever.
1:12:52If we stick with what you say,
1:12:54I'm promising you.
1:12:56I'm going to go through and I'm going to
1:12:57pinpoint every inconsistency lie that
1:13:00you said.
1:13:02And show and prove how much it's not
1:13:05true.
1:13:06And what is that going to do to you?
1:13:09Make me more guilty.
1:13:11And I'm not going to say more guilty.
1:13:13It just makes you look more unfavorable.
1:13:16So, when all this stuff comes about and
1:13:17they're saying, you know,
1:13:19what's a range is, right? You guys have
1:13:20ranges as well. Yeah, yeah, sentencing
1:13:23ranges.
1:13:23>> it.
1:13:24You said you got 10 months, right?
1:13:26No, 10 years. Probation.
1:13:27>> Probation, right? Was that all you could
1:13:29have gotten?
1:13:30I honestly, they were offering me 5
1:13:33years in prison on like 10 years
1:13:35probation sounds a whole lot better,
1:13:36right?
1:13:36>> Yeah. So, you have options to vary with,
1:13:38right?
1:13:39So, the more consistencies and
1:13:41truthfulness you say, you're on this end
1:13:43the lower end of this stuff, right? The
1:13:45more stuff that we prove that it's lies
1:13:47and [ __ ] and stuff like that,
1:13:49you're you're going to start climbing
1:13:50that hill.
1:13:51And also They were even threatening me
1:13:53with the video saying that it was us and
1:13:54I was like Well, send it to me. Send it
1:13:56to me. It's like like you know, I can't
1:13:58actually see it.
1:13:59Um, but she didn't she couldn't even
1:14:02send it. She said I was one of the ones
1:14:04that shot
1:14:05and my brother, but even I thought I was
1:14:07like, can you send it to me, please? I
1:14:08was like you know, they so choked my
1:14:10brother, he would have had marks on his
1:14:12neck.
1:14:13Mhm. But your brother wasn't the one in
1:14:16the He was choked by I don't know.
1:14:19Um
1:14:21Everybody has a part. There's side,
1:14:23there's side. Everybody has a part of
1:14:25this big melee.
1:14:27Big brawl, little brawl, whatever we'll
1:14:28call it, okay? Yeah, I don't know. What?
1:14:31If they're already saying
1:14:34straight up, we had guns.
1:14:37We fired.
1:14:39And you guys
1:14:41didn't do that.
1:14:42I'm not saying self-defense or that.
1:14:43Yeah, if anything, it was just it was
1:14:45just self-defense. You could just put it
1:14:46like that. But but explain it to us.
1:14:49Without giving us a story?
1:14:51Like when you guys walked up, what is
1:14:53said, what is
1:14:55done? They caught the guns, you know
1:14:56what that is, right? But why? What
1:14:58happened before that? Well, I don't
1:14:59know. I don't know. We got there. Did
1:15:01did did
1:15:02>> no, no, let me let me tell you
1:15:03something. They got there. Mhm. And we
1:15:05were walking towards the gate. Like not
1:15:07on the pavement, like where you were
1:15:08doing donuts.
1:15:10And I had my nephew holding his hand
1:15:12and he started talking to who he seen
1:15:14it. And we
1:15:15>> Who are they talking to about? You just
1:15:16saw it? Yeah, I just ignored it. I
1:15:17honestly I don't know how to say it. I
1:15:18don't have time for it. I really don't.
1:15:20Did did something happen with Bam Bam
1:15:22with beef beef over the stolen gun? Um,
1:15:24they were blaming it on me. I mean, we
1:15:26had a stolen gun. They So, what happened
1:15:27with that? Um, so Bam Bam was blaming it
1:15:30on me with a stolen gun. They he and his
1:15:32cousin and everybody were there and I
1:15:33was like, why you guys are even walking
1:15:35to come to my house?
1:15:36Here's my name. What what were they like
1:15:38blaming for? Like what what was going on
1:15:40with it?
1:15:41>> They were just saying that I took the
1:15:42gun and all this. What gun is this? Um,
1:15:46they showed us a picture of it. I think
1:15:47it was an FN 45. Okay.
1:15:50And
1:15:52How do you know Bam Bam? Um, I really
1:15:54don't know him to be honest with you.
1:15:56Why was he putting it on you that this
1:15:58gun was stolen? Um, cuz I was working
1:16:01there at the cousin's house with um,
1:16:03Lily's deal.
1:16:05Lily's uncle.
1:16:06Okay. Like you were doing like
1:16:08construction or some kind of thing or
1:16:09like plumbing. Okay, so you were doing
1:16:11the trailer. Okay, so you're doing
1:16:12plumbing on Bam Bam's house and a gun
1:16:14his cousin's his cousin's house. Okay.
1:16:16The cousin with the long hair? Mhm.
1:16:18Bam Bam is the one with the long hair.
1:16:20Okay. So, was the cousin there last
1:16:22night? No, no, no. I didn't see him.
1:16:24Okay. They were just blaming it on me.
1:16:27They were blaming it on me all crazy
1:16:28saying that they were going to like I
1:16:30saw the video the messages of Bam Bam
1:16:32where he was messaging me When was that?
1:16:34Um, I honestly don't know. Like recently
1:16:37or It was when it had happened cuz they
1:16:40[clears throat] were really trying to
1:16:40blame it on me. They were pointing their
1:16:42finger at me and I was like, why you
1:16:43guys are even walking to come to my
1:16:45house? I was like, whatever. When when
1:16:47did
1:16:49you work on the house on the when did
1:16:50you do the plumbing? Um
1:16:55Kind of late on.
1:16:58Like December, January, one of those
1:17:00months. Oh, like which house was this?
1:17:03Um, it's in Los Angeles.
1:17:06Um, but they were really blaming it on
1:17:07me, you know, I was like, wow, wow. I
1:17:09was working with the uncle, so you guys
1:17:11the uncle would have seen everything,
1:17:13you know?
1:17:14But they were really trying to say I
1:17:16stole it this and all this. I was like,
1:17:19you guys could you could say whatever.
1:17:22Point fingers, do whatever. I was like,
1:17:24even they blamed me for the
1:17:26They even gave my name for the
1:17:28cuz they called the cops. I was like, my
1:17:29name, my name, my date of birth and if
1:17:32you guys need my address, um, just call
1:17:34this number and I gave them my number.
1:17:35Okay. So, were they bringing that up
1:17:37last night? Um, I I I I said I wasn't
1:17:40paying attention to what they were
1:17:41talking
1:17:42Yeah, but I did pay attention to it.
1:17:43They were calling Gustavo over.
1:17:46I don't I don't take this
1:17:49I'm just going to let it Don't [ __ ] you,
1:17:50dude. Don't talk
1:17:52Talk to my mom. You want to talk to
1:17:53That's that's what we do, right? The
1:17:55thing is my mom actually taught me how
1:17:56to be a bigger man. To walk away from
1:17:57the situation, de-escalate you.
1:18:00ain't worth it. She ain't worth it.
1:18:01How's it look then?
1:18:03Did we walk away?
1:18:05I was with my nephew, that's what I
1:18:06said.
1:18:07So, they called Gustavo over. What's
1:18:10there Why were they calling him over? I
1:18:12really don't know. I said I was I'm with
1:18:14I'm with my nephew all day. Yeah, but I
1:18:16mean, do you do you know if there's like
1:18:17a history, right? Like do they have beef
1:18:19with each other? Like why what's going
1:18:21on with that? That I know of, no, but
1:18:23they were just trying to act tough. Who
1:18:25the other guys were?
1:18:26>> Yeah, and they were like, come here,
1:18:28come here and we're like, no, like no,
1:18:30like Mhm. Like we we do we have told
1:18:33them to like seriously in front of a of
1:18:34a
1:18:35kid even. Mhm. Is it like
1:18:38this like like kind of like gang related
1:18:41[ __ ] Like is there like beef between
1:18:42like groups of like some kind of thing?
1:18:44Like why like we're trying to why did
1:18:46this happen? Like why?
1:18:49I personally don't even know. I just
1:18:52know that they pulled out their guns and
1:18:53that everybody just scattered. They
1:18:54really just doing self-defense. I
1:18:56scattered.
1:18:58That's how what people say.
1:19:02You sure what you did?
1:19:04So,
1:19:05That you're there, right? Yeah.
1:19:07You're the only one saying that you
1:19:09didn't shoot.
1:19:12So, do you guys say you think I shot?
1:19:14That's fine then. I'm not saying where I
1:19:16think you shot. I'm not saying that. I'm
1:19:17saying telling you you're fine. I'm
1:19:19telling you what
1:19:21everyone else is saying.
1:19:23And this is like I know you're saying
1:19:25you didn't shoot, but you're not
1:19:27explaining
1:19:29like
1:19:30How do you want me to explain when I was
1:19:31like this So from like
1:19:33>> Like basically my nephew. So that's what
1:19:34I don't understand. You guys are stupid.
1:19:36I'm sorry to say I was literally like
1:19:38this with my nephew. Where's your nephew
1:19:39left foot? Like that. Where's your
1:19:41nephew left foot? We already gone.
1:19:43We already drove him with the car little
1:19:45bit down. There was like America in the
1:19:46way.
1:19:46>> you're not explaining how you get into a
1:19:48car with like three people who I was
1:19:50shooting there. How are you I I I get
1:19:52that, but then you're like not explain
1:19:53like what you guys were talking about in
1:19:55the car and stuff like
1:19:57I I said we're trying to figure out who
1:19:59who is who is who is this person? That's
1:20:02what we're trying to figure out.
1:20:03>> mean to be rude, BUT LIKE WHAT WHAT
1:20:05WHAT ELSE DO YOU GUYS need for me? I
1:20:06already gave you guys my story.
1:20:07>> That's true, dude. Yeah. That I already
1:20:09gave you guys my story. That's We're not
1:20:10just talking about the gym marks, dude.
1:20:12Like honestly, Nate Nathan saved himself
1:20:14is minimizing his thing. He accepts
1:20:15responsibilities.
1:20:17We said not 100%, but there's some
1:20:18responsibilities, right? So he's
1:20:20[snorts] still being on that lower end
1:20:21of that hill.
1:20:22Okay?
1:20:23Gustavo, what do you think Gustavo's
1:20:24going to do? I don't know.
1:20:27I really don't know, honestly.
1:20:28>> Gustavo has every reason to minimize
1:20:29this incident as well.
1:20:31Do you know why? They hurt him.
1:20:34Huh? They He's a minor in league.
1:20:36>> No, they know. No. Mhm.
1:20:37Because the people on the other side say
1:20:39the problem is with the Rivas boys.
1:20:42Not with Gustavo.
1:20:44Well, then why did they grab Gustavo
1:20:46first? Cuz he went over there. Yeah.
1:20:50You were talking. You were just talking.
1:20:52I don't know what they were talking
1:20:53about, but
1:20:54those guys aren't poker somewhere.
1:20:57I'm not pinning them. They're not
1:20:58innocent on any any form of fashion
1:21:00either. Right?
1:21:02They're not like, "Hey, come over here
1:21:03and let's talk about our dispute." No
1:21:05way.
1:21:06They wouldn't pull their guns
1:21:08if it wasn't a confrontation.
1:21:11They're all family member. They said
1:21:12they pulled guns.
1:21:16This is say
1:21:18you guys have guns.
1:21:19They pull guns.
1:21:21Everybody started shooting.
1:21:23So
1:21:25their old family is telling me
1:21:27that they witnessed
1:21:28their family shooting at you guys.
1:21:33And I don't even have you saying I shot
1:21:35back in self-defense. I had a gun even
1:21:38to display it to show self-defense.
1:21:41Right?
1:21:46You know?
1:21:48Like you're you're you're not giving
1:21:50yourself any help Mhm. in this whole
1:21:52situation at all.
1:21:55To even give yourself
1:21:57a strong self-defense.
1:21:59Okay.
1:22:03You're not even giving yourself that
1:22:04opportunity.
1:22:12As our investigations go forward, say
1:22:13details you be straight honest with us,
1:22:15right?
1:22:16And as we go through we pile through
1:22:19interviews.
1:22:20I probably interviewed 35 people in the
1:22:22last night.
1:22:23Do you think I remember every single
1:22:24thing they said? No. Okay. I have to sit
1:22:26down and go back and go through it,
1:22:27right? They interviewed a ton of people.
1:22:30Everybody's interviewed a ton of people
1:22:32and more people are calling in, right?
1:22:34So as she said, the investigation
1:22:36continues, right? If we get to the end
1:22:38of our investigation and and we sit down
1:22:40with the attorneys and stuff and we're
1:22:41like, "Hey, no. This
1:22:44This is way over here more than over
1:22:45here." And I'm not I'm not going to buy
1:22:47it. A lot of
1:22:48people don't like us.
1:22:50Cuz they just hate us because of the
1:22:51Rivas. Because we go by the Rivas. So
1:22:53they're probably going to find and then
1:22:55also it's right there.
1:22:56They're not No.
1:22:58Nobody's pinning it on you. No, no, no.
1:23:00That's I'm just saying I'm putting it as
1:23:01example, you know? Well, even the family
1:23:03member who they talked to
1:23:06said that their own people were
1:23:07shooting. They're not pinning it on you.
1:23:09>> Yeah. Right? Like that's a true like No,
1:23:11it was just self-defense or any words
1:23:13about
1:23:14But that's what you're telling is
1:23:15self-defense, but you're not telling me
1:23:16what you did in self-defense.
1:23:20This lady says
1:23:21both of you guys are responsible.
1:23:23That's her position. She's not giving
1:23:24more credit to you, more credit to this.
1:23:26But both of them are responsible for
1:23:28what happened last week.
1:23:29That's big for a family member to say.
1:23:31And you put that family member on a on a
1:23:33on the stand in court.
1:23:35That judge, that jury's going to love
1:23:37that person.
1:23:38Because they're not picking sides.
1:23:39They're telling what the truth the truth
1:23:41fact reality.
1:23:43And
1:23:44if we prove
1:23:47that that's you
1:23:49if we prove that that's you, right?
1:23:51That that you're that shooter.
1:23:54Now your whole story is I wasn't even
1:23:56there. You're not going to have a
1:23:58self-defense claim. It's going to come
1:23:59after the fact and it's going to look
1:24:00like kind of a hodgepodge defense of
1:24:02like, "Yeah, this
1:24:04Yeah, right? So like it and then it
1:24:06would just be like, "Oh, he's only
1:24:07telling the truth now because he screwed
1:24:08and we proved it was him." Or we proved
1:24:10it was his brother. Whoever we proved it
1:24:12is. But if it's you
1:24:14because we don't know who it is yet,
1:24:15right? Your brother's saying it's you.
1:24:17You're saying you know, you're not
1:24:19saying it's your brother. You're not
1:24:20They're you're not explain We don't know
1:24:21who this red hoodie is even though we we
1:24:23see you guys today dropping off this red
1:24:24hoodie. Like there's a whole lot of
1:24:26inconsistencies that aren't looking
1:24:28good. So if we do prove that's you,
1:24:30which I think we're going we're going to
1:24:32prove it's one of you. We will do that.
1:24:34We're we're in the very How long This
1:24:36happened less than 24 hours ago.
1:24:38You know? Like we're going to prove who
1:24:39We're going to find who it was. Cuz we
1:24:41still have to talk to these two dudes.
1:24:44Right? We're going to find who that was.
1:24:46And if it is you
1:24:48you your story at least makes it helped
1:24:50himself a little bit and said something.
1:24:53You know?
1:24:56Your DNA, your hair follicles
1:24:59going to be on that sweater.
1:25:01I got a I got a hunch.
1:25:04I'm reaching.
1:25:07Pretty sure it's going to be on Okay.
1:25:09Pretty much going to go with Nathaniel's
1:25:11it's going to be on there, too.
1:25:12Nathaniel's going to be on there.
1:25:13Cuz he's the one who dumped it today.
1:25:16Right?
1:25:18So I know at least
1:25:19one for sure is him.
1:25:22Prove that yours is there and then
1:25:23probably going to prove that that
1:25:25Donald's is on there, too.
1:25:27And that's probably going to be one of
1:25:28our biggest piece of evidence in this
1:25:30whole case.
1:25:35They're accusing you of stealing a .45
1:25:37asset, right? Mhm.
1:25:40Which I told them about the clothes.
1:25:41>> just going to share this piece of
1:25:42information.
1:25:44When I looked at buddy yesterday last
1:25:47night
1:25:48what do you think came out of him?
1:25:50A .45, right?
1:25:52Mhm.
1:25:53Where do you think everybody's going to
1:25:54say that .45 came from?
1:25:55The one that I really think I took from.
1:25:57All right.
1:25:59How
1:25:59far is it?
1:26:01Right? So when we start going back and
1:26:03start talking about back stories
1:26:06Oh, [ __ ]
1:26:08That almost sounds makes sense as a
1:26:10coincidence.
1:26:11I don't believe in coincidences in this
1:26:13job No,
1:26:14that's it's not That thing's a
1:26:15coincidence. Oh, yeah. No. But I said I
1:26:18I had told him I was like, "You guys
1:26:19could get us I guess. Can I search my
1:26:21room? Whatever you guys want to go for
1:26:22it cuz I'm 100% taking I probably
1:26:24wouldn't told them to get a search
1:26:25warrant. You just told me earlier. Well,
1:26:27you can go to the house. You can search
1:26:28my whole house. You're going to find a
1:26:29red sweater.
1:26:30Cuz you know it's not there anymore.
1:26:31Well, you know you guys just dropped it
1:26:32off.
1:26:34I'll be honest with you. When we sat
1:26:34down, I didn't know what you guys
1:26:36dropped off until he walked in and
1:26:37>> Yeah. We didn't know. Honestly, we just
1:26:39found out when you did that red sweater
1:26:41got picked up.
1:26:43I'm
1:26:44dead serious. We were told something was
1:26:46dropped off. You guys were followed.
1:26:49You remember two light cars that were
1:26:49following you guys? Mhm.
1:26:51Your brother did.
1:26:53He told us that.
1:26:55He says he pulls over. Who goes and
1:26:57drops it off?
1:26:59Who goes up to the to the apartments?
1:27:02I think it's Nathan. Uh-huh.
1:27:05Right?
1:27:06Drops it, jumps back in the car and
1:27:08leaves, right?
1:27:10You guys go down the road a little bit.
1:27:11You get stopped, right?
1:27:13Officers go back with they get you guys
1:27:15here. They go back.
1:27:17They're doing everything right. They do
1:27:18a search warrant for that property. Mhm.
1:27:21They get paperwork. They put the judge
1:27:22the judge, "This is what we saw. This is
1:27:24what we observed. This is They reference
1:27:25the photographs. They reference the
1:27:26videos.
1:27:28And they
1:27:31say, "We believe evidence
1:27:34Judge signs off on it.
1:27:36We start talking to you.
1:27:38They haul ass over there and look and
1:27:40What do they find?
1:27:44And both you and your brother I don't
1:27:45have a red hoodie. You're not going to
1:27:46find a red hoodie in my house. You can
1:27:47do a search warrant in my house because
1:27:49you guys know it's not there because you
1:27:51dumped it off somewhere. What
1:27:53Do you not really not have a red hoodie
1:27:54and that's why you said it?
1:27:56And or or is is does Nathan Nathan not
1:27:59have a red hoodie and that's why he said
1:28:00it? Or does one of you know that it's
1:28:02not there anymore?
1:28:04Because you dropped it off there.
1:28:06Well, I really don't have a red hoodie.
1:28:10But is your DNA going to be on that red
1:28:11hoodie?
1:28:12I really don't know. No, you should
1:28:13know. That's the thing. When when we
1:28:15pose question to people in this type of
1:28:17situation, if I said, "If you would ask
1:28:19me my DNA's on that red hoodie?" I would
1:28:21tell you, "Absolutely not." We know.
1:28:23Yeah. But if you somebody went in my
1:28:24house and they grabbed this shirt from
1:28:26like if it's in my dirty clothes, like
1:28:27is your DNA on it? Yeah, probably. I
1:28:29wore it
1:28:31yesterday.
1:28:32Yeah, my DNA's going to be on it. It's
1:28:33mine.
1:28:35So when we process that red hoodie and
1:28:37we find all three of you guys' DNA on it
1:28:40what's the only logical explanation of
1:28:42that? Scientific explanation of that?
1:28:46Who's in contact with your brother?
1:28:48Who's in contact with you and
1:28:49potentially in contact with
1:28:52Right?
1:28:57And that looks bad.
1:28:58Yeah.
1:28:59I mean maybe just wanted to just dump
1:29:01that alone. Mhm.
1:29:04And there's no self-defense.
1:29:07You got self-defense. You got fear. You
1:29:09got
1:29:10all kinds of stuff. Okay?
1:29:12I mean we got self-defense, fear.
1:29:15Trying to protect yourself.
1:29:17Trying
1:29:19to shoot somebody. Trying to kill
1:29:21somebody. We want to be on this side of
1:29:23the the the river not this side of the
1:29:25but only you are going to take us there.
1:29:28Can
1:29:29I get a lawyer for you guys today? I'm
1:29:32sorry.
1:29:33You're fine. You're you're you're
1:29:34allowed to do that. That's your right.
1:29:35Yeah, I know. Yeah. What else do you
1:29:37guys need though [clears throat] from
1:29:37me?
1:29:39Well, we can't after after you invoke
1:29:41work We're done. We're done.
1:29:43Yeah. There's no more.
1:29:45Okay, well what else do you guys need?
1:29:47You want to go back to holding cell?
1:29:49Yep. You want to hang out?
1:29:52And talk.
1:29:55I'm really hungry and thirsty. So, hang
1:29:58out. You'll be in here for a little bit.
1:29:59Yeah.
1:30:01Oh my god. This is crazy. So, we're
1:30:04going to be in here forever?
1:30:06Until tonight?
1:30:09We're all going to sit down and talk
1:30:09about the paperwork and everything and
1:30:14what's going to happen and who's going
1:30:15where. Obviously, there's still an
1:30:16arraignment. Gustavo.
1:30:18And we'll go from there.
1:30:20Oh, just wondering. Whatever's added to
1:30:22the end of the line is added at the end
1:30:23of the line. So.
1:30:25We're
1:30:26done with yours.
1:30:28Well, I
1:30:29I technically said I want a lawyer so
1:30:31I'll be able to speak with my lawyer,
1:30:32right? Yeah, we'll start talking to my
1:30:33lawyer.
1:30:34Yeah. Okay, well that's all.
1:30:37I don't know. I just want to get out of
1:30:39here. So, we're not able to leave. You
1:30:40guys have our phone numbers and
1:30:41everything.
1:30:43Dude, you are part of a mass shooting in
1:30:46Las Cruces, New Mexico.
1:30:48Like this is national news. What about
1:30:50my brother? The main dude. Is he going
1:30:52to get to go home? I was shown an
1:30:53article from a London paper.
1:30:56This is from across the oceans, right?
1:30:59Talk about this, dude.
1:31:01That's how big this is, dude.
1:31:03You guys don't These guys don't come in
1:31:05for nothing. No, I know you guys don't
1:31:06but I I will say my story will be a
1:31:08lawyer out here.
1:31:09Just
1:31:11What I can't even go speak to a lawyer?
1:31:13No.
1:31:14When you get your lawyer, so my name's
1:31:16Lacey. I'm Special Agent Lacey Trust
1:31:18with FBI.
1:31:19I don't have a I don't have I'll get
1:31:23Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't They
1:31:24don't give us cards anymore because I
1:31:26don't know why. Um but I'll um
1:31:30Then you don't mind me asking you so we
1:31:32have to wait here for the whole
1:31:33investigation to be over or what?
1:31:35>> This is what we're we're at right now.
1:31:37So, if we sit down and we all talk and
1:31:40we determine if there's probable cause
1:31:42to charge you whether it's state side or
1:31:44federal side. That's where we're at.
1:31:50Is he So, is April going to stay here,
1:31:52too? My older brother is going to stay
1:31:53here, too, as well?
1:31:55I don't know. He might He might get out.
1:31:57He might get out. If he in fact is
1:31:58involved in
1:32:00So, he just becomes a witness.
1:32:05And sent.
1:32:08Is he Is he able to write? Yeah, just
1:32:09keep that with you with your stuff. So,
1:32:10that's my name. That's my work work
1:32:12phone number and then that's my email
1:32:13too. Just in case you need anything. At
1:32:15least can I call my lawyer
1:32:17one of the patrol guys give me a
1:32:19lawyer and let you guys know. Um but I
1:32:21need my phone. It's in the car and I cuz
1:32:23I don't know his phone number. Well,
1:32:25actually never mind. Can I write it down
1:32:26with you real quick? Sorry.
1:32:29I already did it.
1:32:30>> So, your your phone you want us to
1:32:33um
1:32:34Do you need a number out of that?
1:32:35>> I need my phone numbers cuz I Okay.
1:32:37What's your What's your um passcode cuz
1:32:39we'll have to open it to get those
1:32:40numbers for you. I got it myself.
1:32:42>> No, you can't have your phone. No, I
1:32:44know but I'll wait until after
1:32:45everything is done. No. Like you're
1:32:47going to be waiting until like if you
1:32:49get arrested, you're not going to have
1:32:50your cell phone here. You're not going
1:32:51to get those numbers. So, if you want
1:32:53those numbers, we're going to have to
1:32:54open your phone for you and get them for
1:32:56you.
1:32:57Your cell phone's evidence.
1:32:58>> Yeah, it's evidence.
1:33:00It's cool. I have nothing in it but I
1:33:02just
1:33:04I didn't know.
1:33:08Can I just write down this phone number
1:33:09real quick, please?
1:33:10Yeah, do you have the Yeah, you think
1:33:12they know it?
1:33:29So, I'm going to You and Ethan are going
1:33:31to be here for the rest of the night
1:33:32technically.
1:33:34As long as we're active You guys are um
1:33:37active suspects in this. Um
1:33:41So, they're going to be in So, the
1:33:43investigation is
1:33:45There's either of you up or you both get
1:33:47There's enough probable cause to arrest
1:33:48both of you.
1:33:53I can't make a phone call right now.
1:33:55It's really upsetting at all.
1:33:56So, I could like talk to my daughter at
1:33:58least. No. No. Not right now. I mean The
1:34:00[ __ ] are these guys Talk to these guys
1:34:02once we get them back over there. They
1:34:03might be able to The thing with that,
1:34:04too, is it's got to be on speaker phone.
1:34:06Well, it's cool. I'm just going to like
1:34:08at least talk to my daughter.
1:34:10Cuz I'm being brought up in this. So,
1:34:12I'm just like
1:34:14It's no way. I would stop. Huh? I would
1:34:17stop.
1:34:19Don't dig deeper for yourself. Yeah.
1:34:21Don't go backwards in the whole
1:34:22>> going backwards. I'm just like I'm just
1:34:24thinking my daughter
1:34:26being everything. But you started this
1:34:28anyway. You're not involved at all. No.
1:34:29No. I'm not trying to say that. I'm just
1:34:32speak
1:34:33with my lawyer and see what happens.
1:34:42They do a re-phone? Yeah, well
1:34:45You know Yeah, just hang out. We're
1:34:46going to get the patrol guys. We're
1:34:47waiting for them to come.
1:34:48>> No, no. Wait a minute. That Do you know
1:34:49how long I'm going to be here for?
1:34:51Uh I don't know.
1:34:53Cuz I I Like I said, we're going to talk
1:34:54to these guys and they're going to
1:34:55figure out if there's paperwork
1:34:56paperwork involved. So, long as it takes
1:34:57our guy to type it up.
1:34:58We're waiting for them to type it up.
1:35:02Well, I might go to jail after this.
1:35:07You mean ask what's that?
1:35:08You mean you want to say that's what
1:35:09you're trying to You mean that's what
1:35:10you're trying to say you mean what?
1:35:13That was a bet, man.
1:35:15You know what that means? No. If I had
1:35:17to bet
1:35:19You were going to county or you were
1:35:20going home?
1:35:21I'm putting my money on that you're
1:35:22going to county.
1:35:26You're looking
1:35:29a lot, dude.
1:35:31Do you know that is the only We don't
1:35:32even know the total
1:35:34counts they may charge you with.
1:35:36So, since I didn't want to talk, they're
1:35:38going to charge me with it. No. No.
1:35:42No.
1:35:43I mean it's just it's a it's a variance
1:35:45so we have to weigh
1:35:47the probable cause
1:35:48of information.
1:35:51Right?
1:35:52Like I said, we got to weigh their side,
1:35:53your side, independent sides and see
1:35:55where we're at.
1:35:56Okay?
1:35:58Why are we stuck here? That's obviously
1:36:01This is time we don't get back.
1:36:03I know.
1:36:05I so I'm being stuck here. You guys have
1:36:07our numbers. Everything. You guys have
1:36:09You guys can contact us and we'll be at
1:36:10our houses.
1:36:13Cuz there's no reason to consider
1:36:15anything
1:36:15what's being
1:36:17investigated alleged. You think we could
1:36:19just let you walk out the door?
1:36:20>> No, not walk out. But I'm saying you
1:36:22guys have our phone numbers. You guys
1:36:23have our addresses. You guys have
1:36:24everything you guys need. If there's
1:36:25anything bad were to happen, you guys
1:36:27could just go get us.
1:36:29I don't think there's point in you guys
1:36:31holding us here. This is just a waste of
1:36:33time.
1:36:35So, just hang out.
1:36:37Can I get a water at least, though,
1:36:38please?
1:36:38>> Okay.
1:37:43I'm really cold I know, man, but we
1:37:45can't make a blanket out of nothing. You
1:37:47know what I mean? You guys don't have
1:37:48anything to cover with?
1:37:50I know it's really cold. If we had it,
1:37:52we would probably be willing to but like
1:37:54I said, it's kind of hard to bring
1:37:55something out of nothing.
1:38:07Following the March 21st, [music] 2025
1:38:10shooting at Young Park, Thomas Rivas
1:38:12remained in custody without [music] bond
1:38:14as prosecutors moved forward with three
1:38:16counts of first-degree murder.
1:38:18He pleaded not guilty in April 2025
1:38:20[music]
1:38:21and the case proceeded through months of
1:38:23pre-trial litigation before trial began
1:38:26in February 2026 in New [music] Mexico's
1:38:28Third Judicial District Court.
1:38:31During the trial, jurors heard testimony
1:38:33about multiple [music] shooters,
1:38:34bystander video, recovered firearms, and
1:38:37forensic evidence linking a handgun to
1:38:39Thomas [music] Rivas.
1:38:41Witnesses described the chaos of gunfire
1:38:43in a crowded public park while the
1:38:45defense argued Rivas acted in fear
1:38:47during a rapidly escalating
1:38:48confrontation.
1:38:50Prosecutors argued that firing into a
1:38:52crowd demonstrated extreme indifference
1:38:54to human life,
1:38:55the legal standard for depraved mind
1:38:57first-degree murder.
1:38:59During proceedings, [music] the court
1:39:01removed willful and deliberate murder
1:39:02theories and dropped a conspiracy
1:39:04charge. The [snorts] case ultimately
1:39:06went to the jury on three counts of
1:39:08first-degree murder under the depraved
1:39:09mind [music] theory. On February 16th,
1:39:122026, the jury found Tomas Rivas guilty
1:39:15on [music] all three counts of
1:39:16first-degree murder. Under New Mexico
1:39:19law, each count carries a mandatory life
1:39:21sentence. [music]
1:39:22At the time of reporting, sentencing had
1:39:24not yet been scheduled. The Young Park
1:39:26shooting left three people dead and
1:39:28roughly 15 others injured.
1:39:30>> [music]
1:39:30>> A mass casualty event that began as a
1:39:32car meet and ended in gunfire across a
1:39:34crowded public park.
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