Larry Elder Explains Why He Doesn't Believe Systemic Racism Exists — Transcript

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1. 0:00let me ask you then uh based on what
2. 0:02your dad was saying
3. 0:04you mentioned um jim crow's self
4. 0:07your father they wouldn't give him work
5. 0:09outright slurring adam
6. 0:11why don't you first i guess the question
7. 0:14is what do you think systemic racism is
8. 0:16and then why would you say there isn't
9. 0:17any well systemic racism means top-down
10. 0:19stuff uh the way it used to be during
11. 0:21jim crow
12. 0:22uh i'd ask you to give me the example of
13. 0:25of a corporation fortune 500 corporation
14. 0:28an institution uh college media uh uh
15. 0:31military where there's top down racism
16. 0:33you can't come up with it the the the uh
17. 0:36media is really relentlessly left-wing
18. 0:38academia same thing the military uh is
19. 0:41quite diverse
20. 0:42give me give me the name name the
21. 0:44corporation whenever whenever there's a
22. 0:45corporation where somebody says
23. 0:47something arguably racist like texaco
24. 0:48did a few years ago ceo on tape
25. 0:51referring to the employees as i don't
26. 0:53think he said n word but he said
27. 0:54something disparaging goes on tv
28. 0:56apologizes texaco loses
29. 0:59hundreds of millions of dollars in
30. 1:01equity uh and then they end up having a
31. 1:04program to advance the uh
32. 1:06the careers of the black employees of
33. 1:08texaco
34. 1:09papa john remember he was on a call one
35. 1:11time he said something
36. 1:13he was quoting somebody else and said
37. 1:15the n word lost his own company
38. 1:17uh there john there's a guy named john
39. 1:19o'sullivan he used to be the editor of
40. 1:21the national review he said white racism
41. 1:24exists but its social power is weak the
42. 1:27social power against it overwhelming
43. 1:29there's no upside today in any
44. 1:31corporation
45. 1:32blatantly openly even subtly being
46. 1:34racist so let me let me uh get your
47. 1:36thoughts on this i was uh i was down
48. 1:38covering the ferguson riots back when
49. 1:40the michael brown stuff happened and i
50. 1:42did a documentary on what people they
51. 1:45refer to as systemic racism
52. 1:47what they what how it was explained to
53. 1:48us is st louis is actually a very small
54. 1:51city
55. 1:52outside of st louis and st louis county
56. 1:54actually it's it's like 90 some odd
57. 1:56cities right these cities were formed uh
58. 1:59when uh are you familiar with pruitt i
59. 2:00go
60. 2:01it was one of the first if not the first
61. 2:03um
62. 2:04like uh
63. 2:05community housing project housing and it
64. 2:07was in st louis
65. 2:08and one once it fell into disrepair you
66. 2:10started to get crime in the area things
67. 2:12started to get bad and white people in
68. 2:14st louis started to flee the city and
69. 2:16then form new new surrounding suburbs i
70. 2:18bet you middle class blacks also fled
71. 2:20the city
72. 2:21it's possible
73. 2:22but so what happens today is
74. 2:24you have areas that are
75. 2:27you you end up uh seeing
76. 2:29racially
77. 2:30fractured communities one area is all
78. 2:32white they had racial covenants which
79. 2:34were eventually made illegal but then
80. 2:36you have you know a white grandfather
81. 2:38gives it to his son who gives it to his
82. 2:39you know son or whatever you have areas
83. 2:41that are predominantly white black or
84. 2:42otherwise what ends up happening is
85. 2:44you have impoverished black people as a
86. 2:46result of a lot of these policies
87. 2:49because of the way the cities are set up
88. 2:51they should move
89. 2:52well and nothing stopping them from
90. 2:53moving move we interviewed people and
91. 2:55asked them about it and they said move i
92. 2:57i
93. 2:58lived in cleveland for a number of years
94. 3:00and i remember uh when i first got there
95. 3:02in 1977 there was a newscast of all
96. 3:04these white people living in akron uh
97. 3:06where there was 25 unemployment
98. 3:08complaining about the steel mills uh
99. 3:10going going away rust belt and i was
100. 3:12looking at the television i said move
101. 3:14move move but what's stopping you from
102. 3:18moving get out of jail
103. 3:20so what do you mean jail so i want to
104. 3:22get your thoughts on on with their
105. 3:23accusation on their claims
106. 3:26what ends up happening is something they
107. 3:27call going on tour
108. 3:28where if you have a busted tail light
109. 3:30and you drive from your town four miles
110. 3:33to your job you go through four or five
111. 3:35cities you get pulled over in each one
112. 3:37you get a ticket in each one and then
113. 3:39you go on tour through their jails where
114. 3:41one twenty dollar infraction you can't
115. 3:42pay for turns into four weekends in jail
116. 3:46where they keep trading you the next the
117. 3:47police stations
118. 3:49so
119. 3:50this is this is what they refer to as
120. 3:51remnants of racial covenants which
121. 3:53created multiple jurisdictions which
122. 3:55have a negative impact on people today
123. 3:56okay we did ask people why don't you
124. 3:58move the area well people who have
125. 4:01negative bank accounts i mean
126. 4:02theoretically could just start walking
127. 4:04but i think for a lot of people that
128. 4:06they don't know or it's just not
129. 4:08reasonable i suppose i'm not saying that
130. 4:10is systemic racism it's what they claim
131. 4:12is systemic racism and it's how i of
132. 4:14course followed ferguson greatly and the
133. 4:16obama white house comes in and they
134. 4:18accuse the ferguson pd of being
135. 4:20systemically racist for the reasons that
136. 4:21you mentioned it turns out that ferguson
137. 4:24is 67 black but 85 of the traffic stops
138. 4:27were of black people 18 point gap ergo
139. 4:30systemic racism
140. 4:31apply that same logic to new york new
141. 4:33york is 25 black but almost 55 percent
142. 4:36of the traffic stops are black people
143. 4:38that's a 30 point gap even bigger than
144. 4:39ferguson yet nypd offices street
145. 4:42officers majority of them are people of
146. 4:43color turns out that obama did a study
147. 4:46called race and traffic stop came out in
148. 4:472013 by the national institutes of
149. 4:49justice which is a research arm of the
150. 4:50doj and you name the traffic offense a
151. 4:53black motorist was more likely to
152. 4:54violate it whether it was speeding
153. 4:55driving without uh without a with an
154. 4:57expired tag driving without the proper
155. 4:59headlight uh driving without a seat belt
156. 5:01driving without a child safety seat in
157. 5:03the back when you have a kid you name
158. 5:04the offense black motorists were more
159. 5:05likely to commit the offense stop
160. 5:08committing crimes if your if your pal if
161. 5:10your tail light is busted fix it don't
162. 5:12expect people to give you some slack
163. 5:13just because you're black fix it
164. 5:16take responsibility the so the response
165. 5:19we got was that if you have to choose
166. 5:21between paying for gas or registering
167. 5:24your plate or whatever people are going
168. 5:25to choose probably to pay for the guests
169. 5:27to move the car knowing that they're
170. 5:29going to get you know they run the risk
171. 5:31the issue is the structure of the
172. 5:33jurisdictions turning one infraction
173. 5:35into four which then results in you get
174. 5:38a ticket you can't pay it's 50 bucks you
175. 5:40say well i couldn't pay for the 20
176. 5:41registration i can't pay for the 50 fine
177. 5:43so the police come and they say you're
178. 5:45going to spend a weekend in jail then
179. 5:47but the moment you get out of jail the
180. 5:48next department is waiting right outside
181. 5:50saying you're coming to us next so what
182. 5:53they refer to as institutional racism is
183. 5:55not that the individual officers are
184. 5:57being racist but that due to the
185. 5:59remnants of the past
186. 6:01there are negative consequences for
187. 6:03people who live in this jurisdiction
188. 6:04jurisdiction today and they don't know
189. 6:06what to do to stop it solve it or get
190. 6:08out
191. 6:09again i would just say it's a real
192. 6:11simple solution don't commit crimes uh
193. 6:13in in baltimore where freddie gray died
194. 6:15freddie gray died in police custody
195. 6:17remember he was the one who was in the
196. 6:18van yeah
197. 6:19there were six officers who were
198. 6:20prosecuted three of the officers were
199. 6:22black the state attorney who brought the
200. 6:23charges with black city council was all
201. 6:26democrat majority black the mayor was
202. 6:28black number one number two running the
203. 6:29police department black
204. 6:31the u.s attorney general at the time
205. 6:32loretta lynch is black as was the
206. 6:34president
207. 6:35now these are black people running the
208. 6:36entire system and still people are
209. 6:38talking about it being systemically
210. 6:39racist i'm reminded of that joke that
211. 6:40wanda sykes said
212. 6:42how are you going to complain about the
213. 6:43man when you are the man
214. 6:44and
215. 6:45i'd like to know what the officials are
216. 6:48in st louis who they are in all these
217. 6:49areas my suspicion is they're regular
218. 6:52people trying to do their jobs and
219. 6:53they're not bigots
220. 6:54i i just think this is difficult you can
221. 6:56still say the system's broken you can
222. 6:58still say that people should not be
223. 7:00dying in police custody you can still
224. 7:02say that cops need better training
225. 7:05but do them on a case-by-case basis
226. 7:06that's what i'm saying it should be case
227. 7:08by case and it always has to be all or
228. 7:10nothing when we're screaming at each
229. 7:11other on twitter but like a lot of times
230. 7:14it's not racism it's that cop didn't
231. 7:16train jiu-jitsu and doesn't know how to
232. 7:17put on a proper choke holder doesn't
233. 7:18know when a person is completely out and
234. 7:20just needs to be trained there's a city
235. 7:22in in uh california called rialto
236. 7:24realtors around 100 000 people racially
237. 7:27it reflects the demographics of
238. 7:28california the same percentage of
239. 7:29hispanics blacks asians his and whites
240. 7:33and the cops a few years ago were
241. 7:35ordered to wear body cams they didn't
242. 7:37want to at first
243. 7:38and they wore them after a year what
244. 7:40happened
245. 7:42police complaints fell 90
246. 7:45and police use of force fell 50 not
247. 7:47because the police were engaging in any
248. 7:48kind of different uh activity they were
249. 7:51they behaved as they always were always
250. 7:53been trained civilians stopped lying on
251. 7:55them
252. 7:56and they started complying and as a
253. 7:57result the police didn't need to use the
254. 7:58force anymore they stopped filing
255. 8:00lawsuits
256. 8:01and because it is
257. 8:03illegal to file a false lawsuit against
258. 8:04a cop so it turns out the civilians were
259. 8:06the ones who were making a bunch of
260. 8:08false allegations as did michael brown
261. 8:10during ferguson uh michael brown's
262. 8:11friend who said hands up don't shoot
263. 8:14turned out to be a complete lie even
264. 8:15obama it was uh i think holder uh eric
265. 8:17holder is a uh
266. 8:19department of justice
267. 8:21at the time yeah and it turns out that
268. 8:23um
269. 8:24the michael brown's dna was on the
270. 8:26officer's gun he tried to get the gun
271. 8:28and his friend i think his name was
272. 8:29dorian johnson or something said that my
273. 8:31friend said hands up don't shoot and it
274. 8:33turns out a complete and total lie they
275. 8:35lied the police are lied on all the time
276. 8:37and when they got busted because of
277. 8:39rialto they stopped doing it i just
278. 8:40wanted to circle back real quick to what
279. 8:42you were saying about
280. 8:45actually what tim was saying about this
281. 8:46kind of
282. 8:47when you feel like you're you're
283. 8:49underwater right i don't have money to
284. 8:51to get out of these situations i think a
285. 8:53lot of what we're talking about right
286. 8:54now
287. 8:55it's institutional problems right it's
288. 8:57the government welfare state we're we're
289. 8:59doing a lot of talking about them but
290. 9:01for people
291. 9:02listening to the show
292. 9:04right
293. 9:05before
294. 9:07you have a kid before you're ready or
295. 9:10split um on the mom before you end up in
296. 9:13a situation i mean man i've been in
297. 9:15situations where
298. 9:17you just feel like
299. 9:19you just feel like checking out is the
300. 9:21only answer where it's you know you're
301. 9:22broke and you finally get a thing and
302. 9:24then that falls through and then you
303. 9:25just keep digging digging digging
304. 9:27digging digging what's your because man
305. 9:29i was so touched by the story you told
306. 9:31about your dad
307. 9:32what's your personal advice so forget
308. 9:34the institutions it's real simple
309. 9:36listening uh they're they're probably
310. 9:38the most prominent think tank on the
311. 9:39left is the brooking institution
312. 9:41and one of the ones on the right is
313. 9:43called the american enterprise institute
314. 9:44they don't agree on anything but they
315. 9:45agree on what they call the millennial
316. 9:47success sequence
317. 9:49finish high school
318. 9:52ideally one where you can read write a
319. 9:53compute at grade level that's why i
320. 9:54support school choice but first of all
321. 9:56finish high school don't have a kid
322. 9:57until you're 25 years old until you're
323. 9:5920 years old get married before you have
324. 10:01the kid get a job keep that job any job
325. 10:04even a minimum wage job don't quit until
326. 10:05you get another job within six months
327. 10:06you'll get a raise and finally avoid the
328. 10:08criminal justice system
329. 10:10committing an act of crime is a
330. 10:12voluntary act you don't have to do it
331. 10:14you follow that formula you will not be
332. 10:16poor and you'll get to the middle class
333. 10:18you don't there's a very good chance
334. 10:20you're going to be poor so there's uh i
335. 10:22i i agree mostly i would just say
336. 10:26when it comes to at least where i grew
337. 10:28up they were ignorant of the law is no
338. 10:30excuse for breaking it so i as well as
339. 10:32many other people have found ourselves
340. 10:35unwittingly having committed a crime not
341. 10:37realizing it was because it was
342. 10:38seemingly innocuous like when you get a
343. 10:40ticket when you're driving in illinois
344. 10:41you can keep driving there's no no
345. 10:43problem you got a ticket it's like so
346. 10:44you drive they take your id you keep the
347. 10:45ticket when you get pulled over you show
348. 10:47them the ticket they say okay you pay it
349. 10:48off they send you your id back what i
350. 10:50didn't know because they don't tell you
351. 10:51this in driver's ed or anything is that
352. 10:53if you get two moving violations on the
353. 10:54age of 21 they suspend your license so
354. 10:57sure enough i got a class a misdemeanor
355. 10:59which was a threat of a year in jail and
356. 11:00like a 2 500 fine it wasn't just
357. 11:03something i could avoid i didn't even
358. 11:04know it was happening so that took away
359. 11:07my ability to drive for like two years
360. 11:09because not only was my license
361. 11:10suspended then i got caught driving on a
362. 11:12suspended license which i didn't even
363. 11:14know was suspended and you couldn't
364. 11:15blame systemic racism well so he did
365. 11:18my point is simply though you know
366. 11:21i feel like the system is is
367. 11:24a simple way to put it is it might be
368. 11:26easy to say avoid the law but for a lot
369. 11:28of people the system is just busted yeah
370. 11:30one same with these ways right i was
371. 11:32just gonna say same with um
372. 11:34sex education so much sex education is
373. 11:37not the best in this country and i feel
374. 11:39like especially
375. 11:42for if you're pro-life you should want
376. 11:45the best sex education possible so that
377. 11:47people don't even get into this a
378. 11:49situation where they would even want an
379. 11:51abortion so maybe a lot of it does start
380. 11:53with education when it comes to the law
381. 11:54when it comes to learning the trade when
382. 11:56it comes to sex education i think but
383. 11:58but tim it's hard to go to jail they
384. 12:00don't want you to go to jail especially
385. 12:02when you're young they have all sorts of
386. 12:03programs juvenile programs diversionary
387. 12:05programs it is hard to go to jail you've
388. 12:07got to commit a crime to go to jail
389. 12:08you've got to hurt somebody to go to
390. 12:09jail it's hard to go to jail they don't
391. 12:11want to put you there gavin newsom
392. 12:12released 8 000 convicted felons some of
393. 12:14whom were violent felons because of of
394. 12:16covet they don't want you there
395. 12:18the idea that somebody is hiding behind
396. 12:20a tree with a net looking to snare black
397. 12:22people it's just a it's just a lie for
398. 12:24sure sure but you know and and again i
399. 12:26think we're outside of racism at this
400. 12:28point just talking about you know i i
401. 12:30passed the success i would agree for the
402. 12:32most part uh with you i think the issue
403. 12:34of crime is not even about jail is about
404. 12:36i wasn't able to drive for for so for
405. 12:38for two years on it for this point it's
406. 12:39like that'll make it harder to get a job
407. 12:41i couldn't do anything i was like so i
408. 12:43was like okay i guess i'll go live in
409. 12:44the city where i don't need to drive i
410. 12:45had no choice you're still in america
411. 12:47absolutely still in america where where
412. 12:49people in cuba are braving shark
413. 12:51infested waters to get here where people
414. 12:52from haiti are trying to get here
415. 12:54central america mexico they would love
416. 12:56to trade places with us as we sit here
417. 12:57in mine and now and moan about
418. 12:58relatively minor things now i agree with
419. 13:00you on that my attitude on all this
420. 13:02stuff is when you tell people to move
421. 13:04like that's actually what i did so i had
422. 13:06i did that 200 bucks in my pocket and i
423. 13:08found a ride share to california and i
424. 13:09was like i'll sleep on the beach i don't
425. 13:10care i'm not going to stay in a bad
426. 13:12situation
427. 13:13and so my attitude actually is very much
428. 13:15in line with that so pick up your cards
429. 13:17and play them to the best of your
430. 13:18ability that is your duty that is your
431. 13:20moral obligation i thought it was
432. 13:21interesting that you talked about not
433. 13:23knowing the law about the the tail
434. 13:25wasn't the tail lights or uh uh
435. 13:27suspended license getting right like
436. 13:28it's systemic ignorance maybe of the law
437. 13:30but what it makes me think of when i
438. 13:32think of systemic racism is that 200
439. 13:34years ago all these black people from
440. 13:36africa were slaves and they were
441. 13:38intentionally not educated they were
442. 13:40intentionally not taught to read and
443. 13:41write then they were eventually let out
444. 13:43or whatever slavery ended they had kids
445. 13:45they didn't know how to read and write
446. 13:46they didn't know how to teach their kids
447. 13:47the kids didn't know how to read right
448. 13:48then they had kids and for the most part
449. 13:50education is passed down generation
450. 13:52through the family without that we have
451. 13:55a systemic ignorance problem but they
452. 13:57call it racism just because they happen
453. 13:59to have been from africa those slaves
454. 14:01they could have been
455. 14:02they could have been like italian you
456. 14:04know they just weren't at that time but
457. 14:05maybe there was a reason that their skin
458. 14:07color was dark i just don't think it's a
459. 14:08skin color issue
460. 14:10that's a good point i think the
461. 14:11implication today is
462. 14:13you know often what i talk to people
463. 14:14about is the policies of racism have
464. 14:16like been made illegal and and you
465. 14:18actually can make they're people who
466. 14:20make money suing whenever they perceive
467. 14:22it like right now you've got
468. 14:23these selected videos where a muppet
469. 14:26person won't hug a black kid
470. 14:29but they don't show you the videos where
471. 14:30the muppet people don't hug the white
472. 14:31kids either and things like that they're
473. 14:32just very bad muppets you guys or
474. 14:34whatever you call them i don't know if
475. 14:35they're muppets
476. 14:37it's rosita and it took place at sesame
477. 14:39place in philadelphia uh and there's
478. 14:41video showing rosita high-fiving white
479. 14:43kids ignoring blackheads and when
480. 14:45somebody made the video put it on on web
481. 14:48it went viral and a bunch of other
482. 14:50people who went to sesame place over the
483. 14:51years
484. 14:52found videos where this thing was
485. 14:54happening so maybe something is going on
486. 14:55there but my problem is this uh this 25
487. 14:58million dollar class action lawsuit been
488. 14:59filed jesse jackson writes a letter to
489. 15:01sesame place accuses him of engaging
490. 15:02systemic racism the family that filed a
491. 15:04lawsuit is from baltimore
492. 15:07philadelphia has had black mayors
493. 15:09the
494. 15:10police chief is a black female the
495. 15:12superintendent of school is a black
496. 15:14person
497. 15:15the family from baltimore files a
498. 15:18lawsuit as i mentioned there are 13
499. 15:19public high schools in baltimore where
500. 15:20zero percent of the kids can do math at
501. 15:22grade level zero percent 13 high schools
502. 15:24another half a dozen where one percent
503. 15:26can that's half of all the high schools
504. 15:28in baltimore where the kids in the inner
505. 15:29city are either zero proficient in math
506. 15:31only one percent are proficient jesse
507. 15:34jackson said nothing about that he said
508. 15:36nothing about the fact that philadelphia
509. 15:38where sesame place is is on track to
510. 15:39register the highest number of murders
511. 15:41in the city's history most of them are
512. 15:43black jackson says nothing about that
513. 15:45but he goes ballistic over some
514. 15:48four-year-old kid not being high-fived
515. 15:49by rosita it's ridiculous and whether or
516. 15:52not this kid responds to this in a
517. 15:53sensible way depends entirely upon the
518. 15:55parent to put it in perspective where's
519. 15:57jackson on these other things nowhere do
520. 15:59you think that leads to
521. 16:01more people taking
522. 16:03actual racism less seriously absolutely
523. 16:06it does because it trivializes the whole
524. 16:08the whole word racism well and that's
525. 16:10what i was wondering and that's been one
526. 16:11of the things that has
527. 16:13gotten me so just over so much of the
528. 16:17left it's that if you start conflating
529. 16:21um a sexist joke with sexual assault if
530. 16:24you start conflating the muppet thing
531. 16:26with you know actual hate crimes then
532. 16:29you're getting all of these people that
533. 16:31are just gonna
534. 16:32suddenly they hear the word racism and
535. 16:34they go oh what like that stupid muppet
536. 16:36thing and you're
537. 16:38you're essentially
538. 16:39you're taking away any meaning from it
539. 16:41because
540. 16:42i don't think you're saying that racism
541. 16:45isn't real but the problem is if we're
542. 16:46talking about these fake stories then we
543. 16:49can't actually come up with solutions
544. 16:50about what to do with real racism and i
545. 16:53thought about our friend bill ottman who
546. 16:54did the minds convention that we all
547. 16:56performed at and he actually had because
548. 16:59you were talking about a lot of black
549. 17:00intellectuals not going on your show but
550. 17:02he had coleman hughes on a panel with
551. 17:04cornell west and it was awesome because
552. 17:07they were respectful to each other and
553. 17:08they were both looking for solutions and
554. 17:11i think it is so cowardly
555. 17:13of democratic black intellectuals not to
556. 17:16go on your show because it shouldn't be
557. 17:18about we're just going to shout talking
558. 17:20points at each other if you care about
559. 17:22racism you want all voices from all
560. 17:24political sides to be like hey man
561. 17:26there's a problem what do we do to fix
562. 17:27it but let me just say
563. 17:29as you mentioned
564. 17:31you've got murder you've got homicide
565. 17:33but what are these lawyers going for
566. 17:35perceived slight set up at a wealthy
567. 17:37theme park or something maybe it's just
568. 17:39for the lawsuits well not wealthy we
569. 17:41were poor and couldn't afford disney
570. 17:42world
571. 17:44c-span yesterday yeah for two hours and
572. 17:46a guy calls up black guy and he says you
573. 17:48know i watch a lot of black talk show
574. 17:50hosts and i never see you on any of them
575. 17:52yeah i never see you on uh on roland
576. 17:55martin's show he said uh i never see you
577. 17:58on any of of the shows and i said well i
578. 18:00debated roland martin before the
579. 18:01election i killed him sure uh he has a
580. 18:04radio show he's never invited me on it
581. 18:06um charlemagne the god has a very
582. 18:07popular show yeah
583. 18:09reached out to him to have him come on
584. 18:10my radio show didn't hear back i was
585. 18:12gonna be
586. 18:14a few months ago with a guy named a guy
587. 18:16named bill bellamy sat next to me
588. 18:19yeah yeah yeah yeah
589. 18:20they're up watching him and we had a
590. 18:21long conversation and he said you know
591. 18:23one of my friends is charlie and the guy
592. 18:24why don't you go on this on his show and
593. 18:26i said can you set that up he said yeah
594. 18:28i can do that we exchange information i
595. 18:30never heard back yeah now we want to
596. 18:33just show up knock on the door say hey
597. 18:34interview me right it doesn't work that
598. 18:36way
599. 18:37you got to be invited yeah tim invited
600. 18:38me on this show i didn't just show
601. 18:40up would have been awesome hi tim hi tim
602. 18:43yeah
603. 18:44you got two hours yeah if you showed up
604. 18:46randomly knocked on the door we'd roll
605. 18:47out the red card
606. 18:48you'd be invited that would have been so
607. 18:50funny joy reid hasn't had me on the show
608. 18:51the view hasn't had me on invite me i'm
609. 18:54there yeah
610. 18:55i'm easy to find we have gotten to a
611. 18:57point where everything is so tribalized
612. 18:59that the idea of having
613. 19:01a
614. 19:02black conservative
615. 19:04people are just so used to
616. 19:06i scream by talking points at you you
617. 19:08scream your talking points at me instead
618. 19:10of like hey man no if we all want the
619. 19:13best for these struggling communities
620. 19:16then you need to hear a diversity of
621. 19:18opinions absolutely there's a magazine
622. 19:20called ebony ebony for a time was the
623. 19:23most popular black magazine came out
624. 19:24once a month it still comes out it
625. 19:26doesn't have the same power it has right
626. 19:28now owned by a different family and
627. 19:29every year they had a feature jamie
628. 19:31called the 100 most influential black
629. 19:33americans
630. 19:34and every year excluded from that list
631. 19:37were clarence thomas
632. 19:39thomas soule
633. 19:40who is absolutely brilliant he's he was
634. 19:42once called by david mamet the
635. 19:44playwright america's greatest
636. 19:45contemporary philosopher not included in
637. 19:48ebony and walter williams the first and
638. 19:50only black person that i know of to be
639. 19:52the chairman of an economic department
640. 19:53of a non-historically black college well
641. 19:55they need it they don't even know who
642. 19:56these people are yeah i didn't know i
643. 19:58didn't know thomas sol i didn't yeah and
644. 20:00i knew clarence thomas is like the pube
645. 20:02guy like that that's all we're told on
646. 20:04the left you know what i mean where even
647. 20:06if you disagree with him it's like well
648. 20:07you have a black house how do you
649. 20:09exclude somebody who's on the supreme
650. 20:11court now one of the most influential
651. 20:12black people in america i agree how do
652. 20:14you do that yeah but they did it every
653. 20:15single year and of course i was never in
654. 20:17it and a bunch of other people who are
655. 20:19younger
656. 20:20black conservatives were never in it
657. 20:21yeah thanks for checking out this
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