Larry Elder Discusses Systemic Racism, Fatherlessness In Black America, Presidential Bid + More — Transcript
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- 0:00wake that ass up in the morning The
- 0:02Breakfast Club
- 0:04morning everybody it's DJ Envy
- 0:07Charlamagne the guy we are The Breakfast
- 0:09Club we have Tesla Figaro with us and we
- 0:11got a special guest in the building 2024
- 0:14Republican president uh presidential
- 0:15candidate Larry Elder welcome brother
- 0:17thank you so much for having me it is an
- 0:19honor how you feeling I feel good he
- 0:21does more than that though I mean radio
- 0:23host the radio host for 40 years
- 0:26old times best-selling list yeah I've
- 0:28got a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame
- 0:30corner of Hollywood and Vine Southeast
- 0:31corner just saying okay
- 0:34yeah yeah about a handful of radio guys
- 0:37too and I'm one of them yeah I think
- 0:38it's you Elvis Duran yeah big boy
- 0:42named Arthur Godfrey okay yeah so let's
- 0:45let's jump right into it why are you
- 0:47running for president
- 0:48well I'm running as an America first
- 0:50mega guy and we have an America first
- 0:52mega guy running obviously so the
- 0:55question is what do you bring to the
- 0:56table Mega okay and the answer is I
- 0:59bring a lot of issues to the table that
- 1:01I feel our side is not talking enough
- 1:02about if at all for example the number
- 1:05one social problem in America by far is
- 1:08the epidemic night of covet but a
- 1:10fatherlessness
- 1:1170 of black kids today enter the world
- 1:14without a father in the home married to
- 1:15the mother up from 25 back in 1965. now
- 1:1825 of white kids into the world today
- 1:20without a father in the home married to
- 1:22the mother and the stats are clear even
- 1:24Barack Obama once cited him
- 1:26if you're raised without a dead or five
- 1:27times more likely to be poor and commit
- 1:29crime nine times were likely to drop out
- 1:32of school and 20 times we're likely to
- 1:34end up in jail what's happened in the
- 1:36mid 60s with I think the best of
- 1:37intentions a Democrat named Lyndon
- 1:39Johnson launched what he called the war
- 1:40on poverty and since then we have
- 1:42incentivized women to marry the
- 1:43government and incentivize men to
- 1:45abandon their financial and moral
- 1:47responsibility you know when I tell say
- 1:49this to people
- 1:50the pushback I get is well there are
- 1:52lots of things that are going on
- 1:53systemic racism poverty uh here's the
- 1:56problem
- 1:57if you look at a young black male age 10
- 1:59to 43 that's young to me because I'm 71
- 2:01years old a young black man in that demo
- 2:04was 13 times more likely to be murdered
- 2:06than a young white man same demo
- 2:08young black man real young 19 and under
- 2:11the number one cause of preventable
- 2:12death is homicide almost always at the
- 2:15hands of another young black male
- 2:18same demo for white to the number one
- 2:20cause of preventable death is
- 2:21unintentional deaths that includes drug
- 2:23overdoses automobile accidents drownings
- 2:26uh it's not until they get to number
- 2:28four that death is the cause
- 2:31in America 60 of the shootings the
- 2:34robberies and the homicide Academy are
- 2:36committed by black people often against
- 2:37other black people of the homicides in
- 2:40this country half of them are black
- 2:42victims almost all killed by other
- 2:43blacks uh how do you explain that uh if
- 2:47it isn't for the absence of fathers are
- 2:49you prepared to say
- 2:50black people are just genetically
- 2:51inclined to commit more crime I doubt it
- 2:53and the go-to reaction often is is
- 2:56poverty uh and systemic racism here's
- 2:58the problem
- 3:001940 when there was blatant racism this
- 3:03is before Brown versus Board of
- 3:04Education before the Civil Rights Act of
- 3:0664. KKK was still alive and well 87
- 3:09percent of blacks lived under the
- 3:10poverty line now it's about 14 percent
- 3:13you can't blame it on poverty you can't
- 3:15blame it on racism it is the breakdown
- 3:16of the nuclear intact family and neither
- 3:19side is talking about it the left
- 3:20doesn't talk about it because they
- 3:21caused it with the welfare state and our
- 3:24side does not talk about it because if
- 3:25you're white
- 3:26you'll be accused of dissing single moms
- 3:28who are heroically raising these kids or
- 3:30you'll be accused of being a racist or
- 3:33if you're black you'll be accused as I
- 3:34was by the LA Times being the black face
- 3:35of white supremacy nobody's talking
- 3:37about that I am one of the reasons you
- 3:41know if your statistics are right what
- 3:42are the reasons that you think fathers
- 3:44aren't in the home
- 3:45as I said it's because uh in the mid 60s
- 3:48Lyndon Johnson launched what he called
- 3:49the war on poverty in Charlemagne
- 3:51literally they sent social workers
- 3:52door-to-door in the inner city I
- 3:54remember this advising women of the
- 3:56availability of welfare provided there
- 3:57was no man in the house it created an
- 3:59economic incentive for women to marry
- 4:01the government same thing with whites
- 4:03in 1965 eight percent of whites into the
- 4:06world without a father in the home area
- 4:07to the mother now it's about 25 percent
- 4:09also up threefold look at Census Data
- 4:121910
- 4:131920 1930 in places like Milwaukee
- 4:16Chicago Philadelphia a young black kid
- 4:19was slightly more likely to be brought
- 4:21into a world with a father in the home
- 4:23married to the mother than a young white
- 4:24kid we have incentivized this kind of
- 4:26bad behavior and has had disappointed
- 4:28bad effect on the black community
- 4:30let me ask a question what do white
- 4:31people do wrong
- 4:32what do you mean what do white people do
- 4:34I'm not worried about white people I'm
- 4:35worried about what what what's going on
- 4:37with us if there's systemic racism in
- 4:39this country no no I don't say there is
- 4:42you say there is I don't believe that oh
- 4:44you don't believe this no there used to
- 4:45be obviously tell me tell me what you
- 4:47think the number one systemic example of
- 4:49systemic racism is in America
- 4:54maybe mass incarceration maybe really
- 5:00um in during the Great Depression when
- 5:0250 of black adults were unemployed you
- 5:04didn't have this kind of mass
- 5:05incarceration it's the breakdown of the
- 5:07family
- 5:07there's a direction I'm not going to I I
- 5:09agree with the family part I'm a black
- 5:12man who is the father to his children
- 5:14and I'm happily married right black man
- 5:16to a black woman so I'm never going to
- 5:17argue at that point you know but I just
- 5:19feel like everything is black black
- 5:21black black black with you black is
- 5:23wrong black people do this and black
- 5:24people do that and when I ask you what
- 5:26white people do wrong you said you're
- 5:27not worried about white people I'm
- 5:29talking about the the damage
- 5:30disproportionate damage going on in the
- 5:32black community for example look at
- 5:34these uh smashing grants that are taking
- 5:35place in Los Angeles where I live
- 5:36there's a suburb called Glendale where
- 5:39at a mall recently a mob of 30 to 40
- 5:41people they had masks on but one guy got
- 5:42popped he was a black I think most of
- 5:44those who were doing this were black uh
- 5:46and in recent years and times have been
- 5:48a number of these in places like Chicago
- 5:49places like like New York
- 5:51if I were involved in something like
- 5:53that Charlemagne I grew up with a dad
- 5:55just as you're raising your your own
- 5:57children I would have been more afraid
- 5:59of my father than I would about the cops
- 6:00catching me these kids are afraid of
- 6:02neither they don't have a father in the
- 6:03home cops are demoralized they're
- 6:05pulling back uh their Manpower is short
- 6:07uh and as a result you tell a bad guy
- 6:10you're less likely to be caught
- 6:11convicted incarcerated crime goes up
- 6:13they may be criminals but they're not
- 6:14stupid when you say what do white people
- 6:16do I mean this is a country that has
- 6:18struggled mightily to get over its uh
- 6:20its historic racism there was a civil
- 6:23war there was a big Civil Rights
- 6:24Movement this is the only majority white
- 6:26country that's ever elected a black
- 6:27president let alone reelected a black
- 6:29president the three biggest cities in
- 6:31America are New York Chicago La they all
- 6:33have black Mayors even though no city
- 6:35has a majority of black population the
- 6:37president of Harvard is a black female
- 6:38Martin Luther King in 1966 Charlemagne
- 6:42gave an interview to the BBC this is two
- 6:44years after the Civil Rights Act of 64
- 6:46got passed and he said
- 6:48I'm Amazed
- 6:50how many positive changes there have
- 6:51been in America in the last two years
- 6:53why if things keep going like this we
- 6:55could have a black president in about 40
- 6:57years time do the math right on cue
- 6:59Barack Obama elected 2008. he didn't say
- 7:01there'll be a black female president of
- 7:02Harvard and there has been he didn't say
- 7:04they're going to be black CEOs of
- 7:06Fortune 500 companies and there have
- 7:07been several he didn't say the
- 7:08percentage of the house would equal the
- 7:10percentage of black people in the
- 7:11population and it does he didn't say the
- 7:14three largest cities would have black
- 7:15Mayors and they do he didn't say the
- 7:17largest and most prestigious
- 7:19organization organization of doctors the
- 7:21American Medical Association would have
- 7:23two black presidents and there have been
- 7:25he didn't say the most prestigious
- 7:26organization of lawyers the American Bar
- 7:29Association would have two black
- 7:30presidents and they have he said
- 7:32president meaning at that point I can
- 7:35feel that I've reached the Mountaintop
- 7:36which is the speech he gave right before
- 7:37he got assassinated the day before and
- 7:39now we act as Lyft Barack Obama never
- 7:42even got elected and we're still talking
- 7:43about systemic racism it's not fair it's
- 7:45wrong and you're discouraging black
- 7:47people from working hard
- 7:50Mr Elder a quick question let's just
- 7:53remove the word racism since that seems
- 7:55to be a word uh that that triggers you
- 7:58know a conversation down the water hole
- 7:59let's just focus on the word system
- 8:01uh you mentioned that the system uh was
- 8:05the one that discouraging again we have
- 8:06no problem with agreeing that the the
- 8:08family the the black family should
- 8:10certainly uh have some room for some
- 8:12improvement let's just focus on systems
- 8:14system well we're not going to go down
- 8:16that water you we're not going to go
- 8:18down that water hole let's get to the
- 8:19question so the question is you said
- 8:21that the system encouraged uh black
- 8:24women to be single mothers correct I
- 8:26said the welfare state yes the welfare
- 8:28the system so who's in charge of the
- 8:29system who's in charge of the system
- 8:31well it was Democrats that passed it and
- 8:34who were Democrats were they black or
- 8:35white at that time well at the time
- 8:37majority of black people were Democrats
- 8:39as the majority of black people were
- 8:40Democrats now I'm talking about the
- 8:42sister remember the main idea is the
- 8:43word system who was in charge of the
- 8:46system at the time the the Democrats at
- 8:48the time the system I'm just going to
- 8:50Charlemagne's point about white or black
- 8:51was it white Democrats in charge of the
- 8:53system or black Democrats well if you're
- 8:55prepared to say that Lyndon Johnson did
- 8:58this viciously with an intent to destroy
- 9:00the black family I disagree he did it
- 9:01with the best of intentions
- 9:03and if you look at if you look at the
- 9:05New York Times which is left wing The
- 9:07Washington Post which is left wing they
- 9:08cheered all of this right and what I'm
- 9:10asking was it white people so I'm going
- 9:12to ask again in case my mic's not coming
- 9:14through clearly was it white people in
- 9:16charge of the system are black people in
- 9:18charge of that system that helped break
- 9:19down the black family it's a simple yes
- 9:21just a simple question white or black
- 9:23well you didn't have to go on welfare
- 9:26unless you voluntarily chose to go on
- 9:27welfare the inducement was put there by
- 9:30democrats uh by the left right okay well
- 9:34most black most black people were
- 9:36Democrats and they voted for these white
- 9:37people not voters I said who's in charge
- 9:38of the system
- 9:40who put them in charge
- 9:45Linda Johnson was white thank you okay
- 9:48but but if your argument is that the
- 9:50reason he did it is because of racism
- 9:52then I disagree he did it because that's
- 9:54not my argument I just asked you a
- 9:55simple question was he white or black
- 9:56Charlemagne and you know Mr Ellie you
- 9:58said uh you talked about the Smashing
- 10:00grabs right and I find that interesting
- 10:01because you know when you see the mass
- 10:03shootings that happened majority of
- 10:05those people are white males what do you
- 10:06what do you think about it actually if
- 10:08you look at the percentage of whites in
- 10:10America which is 60 percentage of mass
- 10:13Shooters is under that the percentage of
- 10:15people that commit hate crime is under
- 10:17that the percentage of people who are
- 10:18serial killers is under that black
- 10:20people are 13 of the population we
- 10:22commit a greater percentage compared to
- 10:23that we talked about the Smashing grabs
- 10:25though so I was saying since you're
- 10:26using that as an example I'm saying well
- 10:28what about you know the mass shooters
- 10:30that are usually white males one more
- 10:32time they are usually white males
- 10:34because 60 of the country is is white
- 10:36however they underrepresent in terms of
- 10:40the number of mass shootings uh about 50
- 10:42or so of the mass shootings in this
- 10:43country are committed by white people
- 10:45even the white people are 60 of the
- 10:46population they underrepresent we over
- 10:48represent when it comes to hate crime
- 10:50when it comes to mass shootings when it
- 10:52comes to serial killings when it comes
- 10:53to robberies when it comes to virtually
- 10:54every category of violent crime we over
- 10:57represent so what do white people do
- 10:58wrong
- 10:59I'm gonna keep asking you that because
- 11:00well it seems to me rather than deal
- 11:04with with what's going on the pathology
- 11:05that's going on in the inner city you
- 11:07want to blame you want me to talk about
- 11:09how bad white people are um
- 11:11which I don't think is a pretty
- 11:13particularly productive thing to do I
- 11:15think no I'm talking I'm talking to the
- 11:16cause and effect but you know if we
- 11:18can't talk about the cause which I
- 11:19believe is systemic racism and white
- 11:20supremacy the FBI says well I just told
- 11:22you if it's systemic racism please
- 11:24explain to me how it was when Americans
- 11:26America really had systemic racism in
- 11:281940 87 of black lived under the poverty
- 11:31line again this is during a Jim Crow era
- 11:34my father is from Athens Georgia grew up
- 11:36in Jim Crow my mom is from Huntsville
- 11:37Alabama grew up in Jim Crow 87 of blacks
- 11:40live below the poverty line this is
- 11:41before Brown versus Board of Education
- 11:43you did not find you did not find these
- 11:45kind of black on black crimes probably
- 11:46because they still were living below the
- 11:48poverty line though sir I'm sorry
- 11:50forgetting the fact that they they were
- 11:51still living below the poverty line
- 11:52you're picking and choosing saying this
- 11:54was good
- 11:55okay the end between the part of your
- 11:58line but let's move forward well let me
- 11:59can I just can I just address that in
- 12:011940 87 of blacks lived under the
- 12:04poverty line 1960 that number had fallen
- 12:06to 47 that's a 40 Point drop in 20 years
- 12:08that's the greatest 20-year period of
- 12:10economic expansion for black people in
- 12:12the history of America again well before
- 12:14Brown versus Board of Education well
- 12:16before the KKK uh imploded well before
- 12:19we had race-based preferences why
- 12:21because it was rare for a black kid to
- 12:23be raised in a family without a father
- 12:25in the home a strong belief in
- 12:27judeo-christian values a belief in
- 12:29patriotism even as America wasn't
- 12:31applying these values to black people
- 12:32obviously and the belief in
- 12:34entrepreneurship all those things are
- 12:36now under assault by organizations like
- 12:37black lives matter Charlemagne black
- 12:39lives matter had on their website an
- 12:41attack on the nuclear family the
- 12:43founders are self-described Marxist
- 12:45trained marxists Marx wanted to Dethrone
- 12:47God was an atheist and Mark did not
- 12:49believe in capitalism let alone
- 12:50entrepreneurship all the things that
- 12:52made black people still survive in
- 12:54virulent racism are now under attack by
- 12:56organizations like black lives matter
- 12:57all those things have always been under
- 12:59attack by white supremacy you can go
- 13:00back to things like whether it's the
- 13:01Tulsa Race massacres like every time
- 13:04black people do create these systems
- 13:06that are our systems and we are the
- 13:08entrepreneurs it seems like white
- 13:09supremacy finds a way to do this every
- 13:11time look the Tulsa Massacre within
- 13:14about five years that whole area was
- 13:16rebuilt uh it was not even called the
- 13:19the Black Wall Street until after it was
- 13:20rebuilt and was rebuilt by the way by
- 13:22black people without one dime of
- 13:24government money
- 13:25yeah who destroyed it to begin with it
- 13:27was right racist who destroyed it no
- 13:29question about it we've had race rights
- 13:31but so so if Japanese you do agree that
- 13:34there's racism I'm just so confused I
- 13:35never even came closer
- 13:38I never came close to saying there was
- 13:40no racism you just said you don't think
- 13:41it's systemic racism not anymore
- 13:43obviously there was we had something
- 13:45called slavery we had something called
- 13:46Jim Crow destroyed black West hold on
- 13:48sir I'm sorry
- 13:53system
- 13:54right wanting to pay those same living
- 13:56descendants because I know your position
- 13:57on reparations but those same living
- 13:59descendants of Black Wall Street okay
- 14:02and then you move and then you go on to
- 14:04say that this the system the
- 14:05quote-unquote system is also trying to
- 14:07destroy president Trump so I'm just so
- 14:08confused on do you believe that the
- 14:10system can destroy or not you you pick
- 14:12and choose sir and that's what's so
- 14:14confusing to me you just said it wasn't
- 14:16racism now it is racism
- 14:18I said there was no racist I said it
- 14:21wasn't systemic racism let's talk about
- 14:22uh
- 14:24can I can I can I can I just make this
- 14:27make this point Charlamagne please uh
- 14:29let's take Chinese Americans uh Chinese
- 14:31Americans were the first ethnic group to
- 14:33be excluded with an Immigration Act in
- 14:34the late 1800s uh they had riots against
- 14:37Chinese uh in L.A in San Francisco there
- 14:40were laws that prevented Chinese
- 14:41Americans from participating in the
- 14:43laundry business I'm in California
- 14:45California of course rounded up Japanese
- 14:47Americans during World War II there were
- 14:49laws that prevented Japanese Americans
- 14:50from owning Farmland the average
- 14:52Japanese-American household has a higher
- 14:54Capital Income than the average White
- 14:56household the average Chinese American
- 14:57household has a higher per capita income
- 14:59than the average White household how
- 15:01does that happen it happens because of a
- 15:02strong belief in family it is rare for a
- 15:05Chinese American or a Japanese American
- 15:07kid to have to have a child outside of
- 15:08wedlock and a strong belief in education
- 15:11and a strong belief in entrepreneurship
- 15:13these are the kinds of qualities that
- 15:14make people successful you can't blame
- 15:16everything on having a fatherless family
- 15:18right because I didn't say blaming
- 15:19everything but that's what you're saying
- 15:21you're saying a strong community no you
- 15:22said that's what I just said I didn't
- 15:23say you talk about the Asian community
- 15:24Asian Community it's easy for them to
- 15:26get loans for entrepreneurships it's
- 15:27easy for them to get loans for houses
- 15:29you look at our community if you really
- 15:31if you really want to talk about our
- 15:32community right you look at the schools
- 15:33in our community some of our schools are
- 15:34the worst right would you agree with
- 15:36that yes or no absolutely
- 15:39one of the reasons I'm running for
- 15:41president for school so would you say
- 15:42that is in our community is systemic
- 15:45it's also in our communities heavy food
- 15:46deserts there's nothing but fast food
- 15:48places that are just killing and
- 15:49destroying that would you say that's
- 15:50true boy
- 15:52um
- 15:53you said number of things I just
- 15:55addressed one of them about loans in
- 15:581965
- 15:59Barack Obama who was in private practice
- 16:02joined a bunch of other lawyers to filed
- 16:04a class action lawsuit against City
- 16:06Corps which is headquartered here in New
- 16:08York 186 black people were applying for
- 16:11loans for mortgages they didn't get them
- 16:13and they accused City Corp of engaging
- 16:15in racism City Corp said no it's not
- 16:17racism you have poor credit scores and
- 16:19we want to make sure we get our money
- 16:20back Obama joined a bunch of other
- 16:22lawyers and they sued City COPE in a
- 16:25class action lawsuit and City Corps said
- 16:26okay to hell with it gave them all loans
- 16:29and they followed them all up Daily
- 16:32Caller did a few years later almost all
- 16:33of them lost their homes several of them
- 16:35filed for bankruptcy one of them even
- 16:36said you know when you don't qualify for
- 16:39a loan maybe we shouldn't get a loan
- 16:40well duh it wasn't true that black
- 16:43people were not getting loans plus there
- 16:45are all sorts of black owned Community
- 16:47Banks around the country and it turns
- 16:48out the turn down rate when you apply
- 16:51for a loan at a black Community Bank was
- 16:53even higher because they had less
- 16:54capital and they couldn't afford to loan
- 16:56money to risky people it is just not the
- 16:59case that the reason for the plight of
- 17:01the black community is because people
- 17:02were not lending money to them it's just
- 17:04not true that's not true
- 17:05what's not true about facts of 1965
- 17:09right let's talk 2023 right I said 1995
- 17:111995 I was told 2023 right my son will
- 17:14be successful in real estate and
- 17:16successful in buying a house you know
- 17:17why because of you because if you owns a
- 17:19house right but my father because if you
- 17:22and the driver not own houses because if
- 17:25you and the drive you put into We're not
- 17:26gonna have a conversation you're not
- 17:27even appreciating what you've done to
- 17:28yourself
- 17:30okay we have a conversation all right
- 17:33when we talk about it right it's harder
- 17:35for our community to get to get loans
- 17:36right and not just because of poor
- 17:38credit scores it's because of of where
- 17:40the areas are you talked about the Asian
- 17:42Community a lot of the Asian Community
- 17:43have their own Banks and they're able to
- 17:45process and get their own Banks there's
- 17:47not too many African-American branches
- 17:49that are able to give out money so
- 17:50that's one then let's talk about getting
- 17:52grants for Schools they're not even
- 17:53giving grants for schools at the rate
- 17:55that they're giving grants for white
- 17:56people and let's talk about when they
- 17:57talk about entrepreneurship they are
- 17:59giving so much money to these white and
- 18:02Asian kids and Asian people doing it and
- 18:04uh a thousand times less than our
- 18:06community will you agree to any of that
- 18:07no no I don't I don't we was virtually
- 18:09anywhere any of what you just now said
- 18:11the the turn down rate for a white right
- 18:14applicant for a mortgage is higher than
- 18:16the turn down rate for a Japanese or
- 18:18Chinese applicant for a mortgage now are
- 18:20you telling me that banks are
- 18:21discriminating against white in favor of
- 18:23Asian Americans is because their credit
- 18:25scores are better they often live below
- 18:27their means they save more even when
- 18:28they're making the same amount of money
- 18:29than black people do if you have poor
- 18:31credit score you're not going to get a
- 18:32loan period end of statement even even
- 18:35ahead of Urban League even the head of
- 18:37Urban League a black man once said that
- 18:39if you have poor credit score you're not
- 18:40going to get a loan end of the state sir
- 18:42but let's just okay when you were
- 18:45talking about crime you you weren't
- 18:46prepared to talk about this proportion
- 18:48you talked about how it was more black
- 18:49people that was doing it and then you
- 18:50talked about how we're the smaller no
- 18:52other population the same applies also
- 18:54to the loans it's more white people than
- 18:56it is black people you seem to pick
- 18:57you're talking about the rate
- 19:00whatever it is the bottom line is it's
- 19:02more white people than it is black
- 19:03people and so if more black people are
- 19:05getting not getting loans
- 19:06disproportionately it seems you'd only
- 19:08want to apply the disproportion uh to
- 19:11the conversation when it benefits I'm
- 19:13not
- 19:15I'm not sure you understood my point
- 19:17that's why I mentioned in 1995 186 black
- 19:20people who were not getting loans filed
- 19:22a class action lawsuit claiming that
- 19:23they were denied the loan because of
- 19:24racism City Corps said okay here are
- 19:26your loans the reason I wasn't giving
- 19:27you the loans is because we're afraid
- 19:28you weren't going to be able to pay them
- 19:30back fast forward they weren't able to
- 19:31pay them back which proved talking about
- 19:34that I'm not talking I know you're not
- 19:35because you're talking about I'm talking
- 19:38about your response to Envy when he said
- 19:40when you said more white people get
- 19:42approved for loans
- 19:43I said black Americans have the highest
- 19:46denial rates for purchase and
- 19:47refinancing loans according to Home
- 19:48Mortgage disclosures
- 19:50all credit scores are the same 15 of
- 19:54Hispanic loan applicants were denied
- 19:55compared with about 11 of white and 10
- 19:58percent of Asian applicants with same
- 20:00credit scores and that's Washington Post
- 20:02since you love numbers so much and I
- 20:04know you do love numbers that's coming
- 20:05from The Washington Post that's 2023 I
- 20:07can show you a study that says the
- 20:09opposite let me ask you a question uh
- 20:10yeah Mr uh Donald Trump Rudy Giuliani
- 20:13and I'm pretty sure everybody who just
- 20:14called a RICO with him in Georgia they
- 20:16all had fathers and they still ended up
- 20:18in jail how did that happen
- 20:19[Music]
- 20:21nobody said if you have a father you
- 20:23won't go to jail nobody said if you
- 20:26didn't have a father you're going to
- 20:27jail my father never guess what you did
- 20:29say mistake
- 20:30man answer me answer these questions
- 20:34let them finish this statement my father
- 20:36never knew his biological father he got
- 20:38thrown out of the house when he was
- 20:39eight when he was 13 years old eighth
- 20:40grade Dropout Jim Crow South Athens
- 20:42Georgia uh fast forward my dad cleaned
- 20:45toilets two full-time jobs cleaning
- 20:46toilets when I was growing up went to
- 20:48night school to get his GED and then
- 20:49after that he went to high school to
- 20:50learn how to operate a small restaurant
- 20:51age of 47 my dad says Nicholson dimes
- 20:54from his job starts a small restaurant
- 20:55near downtown L.A fast forward he
- 20:58retires in his 80s he owned that
- 20:59restaurant he owned property next door
- 21:00plus the house that's still in our
- 21:02family not too shabby for somebody who
- 21:04did not know his biological father it's
- 21:05not a death sentence you still have
- 21:06choices it's just much much more
- 21:08difficult to raise a child on your own
- 21:10even Tupac Shakur said I know for a fact
- 21:12[ __ ] Tupac excuse me I know for I know
- 21:14for a fact uh had I had a father I would
- 21:16have been more confident I would have
- 21:17been more disciplined end of quote well
- 21:19how did all those white men end up in
- 21:20jail when he said still had fathers the
- 21:21trumps and Giuliani I'm just asking the
- 21:23question how did they end up in jail
- 21:24because because some people commit
- 21:26crimes no sir stop my apologies for
- 21:30interrupting you earlier I just couldn't
- 21:32stomach the answer that I knew you
- 21:33couldn't stomach the answer yeah I
- 21:35couldn't stop me because your actual
- 21:36answer to Trump uh being what what's
- 21:39happening here with the indictments you
- 21:40actually said that the system was doing
- 21:42it you said there was a two-tier system
- 21:43this is your word that's right it was a
- 21:45two-tier system so when it came to Trump
- 21:47all of a sudden you now believe in this
- 21:49systematic thing that's happening to
- 21:52Trump but then when it happened but it's
- 21:53not but it's not about race it's not
- 21:55about it I ask you that I asked you
- 21:56remember I told remember I made it easy
- 21:58for you and I took race out of it
- 21:59remember I said I'm just talking about
- 22:00the system I'm just talking about if you
- 22:02if you wanna if you want to ask me
- 22:04whether I believe Donald Trump is being
- 22:05treated the same way as Joe Biden and
- 22:07it's been no I didn't the same way as
- 22:08Hillary Clinton all these people are
- 22:10white all these people are white there's
- 22:11a double
- 22:12standards my question you said today you
- 22:15didn't hear my question said some people
- 22:16commit crime so you do believe that
- 22:17Trump Giuliani them they committed a
- 22:19crime I don't know would you you just
- 22:21said some people come here crying I said
- 22:22some people commit a crime I didn't say
- 22:23Donald Trump committed a crime if you
- 22:24ask me specifically whether I believe
- 22:25Donald Trump came to the crime I don't I
- 22:26don't specifically about those people
- 22:28and why they ended up in jail they all
- 22:29got fathers well Donald Trump's not in
- 22:31jail well he got indicted yeah you got
- 22:33to indicted that's a far cry from being
- 22:35in jail
- 22:36why did he get indicted he got arrested
- 22:39well he got he's going to get arrested
- 22:41he got him he got indicted in my opinion
- 22:43because uh the uh doj has a double
- 22:46standard they let Hillary pass for
- 22:48example she clearly violated the
- 22:50Espionage Act by having an unsecured
- 22:52survey in her basement uh she paid for
- 22:54the Steele dossier she destroyed thirty
- 22:58thousand uh emails that were under
- 23:00subpoena and she got a wrist slap uh and
- 23:02Donald Trump is now being indicted I
- 23:04think for the fourth time it's unfair
- 23:05right now I grew up the FBI is for a
- 23:08long time and in the FBI has been
- 23:10corrupt uh there was cointel uh the uh
- 23:13the FBI
- 23:14Jacob Hoover also uh wiretapped MLK
- 23:17under Robert Kennedy the a Democrat
- 23:19Attorney General
- 23:21right right and I find it interesting
- 23:23how the same people who criticize the
- 23:25FBI historically are now defending the
- 23:27FBI because they're going after Donald
- 23:28Trump oh we're not defending that I
- 23:30didn't say you were I said some of the
- 23:31same people we're just looking and
- 23:33saying damn finally what's your thoughts
- 23:35with Florida and you see that uh they're
- 23:37trying to take out history out of these
- 23:39history books and not trying to teach
- 23:40our history I find it interesting that
- 23:43the Democrats are the ones complaining
- 23:44about Florida this is a party of slavery
- 23:47party of Jim Crow the party of the KKK
- 23:49the party of the Southern Manifesto
- 23:52the the party of uh of Dread Scott the
- 23:56party that I said earlier destroyed the
- 23:57nuclear intact family and the party that
- 23:59is opposing school choice and now they
- 24:01want to lecture Florida on making sure
- 24:03the proper history of slavery is taught
- 24:05I don't I don't know anybody who's
- 24:06defending slavery anybody not not Rhonda
- 24:10said he's not defense people benefited
- 24:12from slavery actually you're talking
- 24:14about one life actually talking about
- 24:15one line in about 127 pages of of uh of
- 24:19of uh the study and it is a line that
- 24:22was repeated almost verbatim and the
- 24:24associated uh in the advanced placement
- 24:27African-American course that the the
- 24:30Senate Administration refused to use
- 24:31because of the sexual stuff that was in
- 24:33it it's basically the same thing that
- 24:35was in the advanced placement
- 24:36African-American courses and now because
- 24:38it's in that all of a sudden the the
- 24:40governor is accused of somehow defending
- 24:43slavery he's not doing anything of the
- 24:45sort what did you think about well sir
- 24:46you you were actually one that defended
- 24:47slavery uh in your comments you say that
- 24:49like it or not slavery was legal in
- 24:51response to reparation so it's you that
- 24:54was defending slavery correct uh
- 24:56defending it and saying that it's
- 24:58illegal are two very different things
- 25:00slavery slavery slavery slavery slavery
- 25:04unfortunately your response that was
- 25:06your response into if reparations should
- 25:07if reparation should happen so your
- 25:09response to that was like it or not
- 25:11slavery was legal and one would think
- 25:13that that was a defense on those well
- 25:15what you would think it was a defense
- 25:16but but it is not a defense
- 25:18unfortunately slavery has been part and
- 25:20parcel of human history from the very
- 25:22beginning Asians enslaved Asians whites
- 25:24enslaved whites blacks and slave blacks
- 25:25Native Americans slave Native Americans
- 25:27This is a culture the western
- 25:29civilization that had a revulsion
- 25:30against it we had a civil war against it
- 25:32uh we ought to applaud ourselves for
- 25:34doing something about this this is a
- 25:36flawed country it's moving forward uh
- 25:38it's becoming more perfect all the time
- 25:39today if you are born and raised in
- 25:42America if you finish High School
- 25:43presumably one where you can read
- 25:44writing computed grade level which is
- 25:46why I support School of Choice don't
- 25:47have a kid before you're 20 get married
- 25:49first get a job keep a job don't quit it
- 25:51until you get another job and avoid the
- 25:53criminal justice system you will not be
- 25:54poor if you don't follow that formula
- 25:56there's a good chance you will be you
- 25:57know uh the first GOP debate is coming
- 25:59up
- 26:00um and uh you didn't qualify and I saw
- 26:02you right well you didn't say I've Not
- 26:04I've not yet not qualified it's not
- 26:05until August 21. oh okay well I saw you
- 26:07right in the op-ed that the Republican
- 26:09National Committee has rigged the rules
- 26:10of the game by instituting a set of
- 26:12criteria that is uh so uh honors what is
- 26:16it
- 26:17I mispronounced Tupac so you
- 26:19mispronounced owners
- 26:23and poorly design that only established
- 26:26the billionaire candidates are
- 26:28guaranteed to be on stage explain to us
- 26:30why that uh system hurts people well
- 26:34I ran for governor of California I got
- 26:363.5 million votes it seems to me that
- 26:38made me credible
- 26:39the RNC is requiring us to have one
- 26:41percent or 40 000 individual donors in
- 26:442020 the DNC required you to have one
- 26:46percent or a certain number of donors
- 26:47for reasons that I don't quite
- 26:48understand the RNC is requiring you to
- 26:50have have both of them
- 26:52one of the candidates in this race is a
- 26:54multi-millionaire he's offered a 20 gift
- 26:56certificate if you give one dollar
- 26:58another one is offering a free air
- 27:00quotes country western concert if you
- 27:02give one dollar another one is giving
- 27:04you a commission if you are a
- 27:06prospective donor to go out and get
- 27:07other prospective donors seems to me
- 27:08that corrupts the whole process I'm
- 27:09doing it the old-fashioned way
- 27:10Charlemagne I'm asking people to support
- 27:12me and go to my website larryelder.com
- 27:14and give me at least one dollar
- 27:16if I get one dollar from forty thousand
- 27:18individuals I will be up on that stage
- 27:20in Milwaukee on August 23 and when I get
- 27:22up there game on hold my beer so why is
- 27:24this so would you is this system holding
- 27:26you back would you say it's a system
- 27:27holding I I would say it's unfair it
- 27:29seems to me this early uh the the voters
- 27:31ought to decide this I mean in 2016
- 27:33there were 17 or 18 Republican
- 27:35candidates now there's 13. uh somehow
- 27:37someway our Republic survived and we
- 27:39could survive with 13 candidates I don't
- 27:41know why there have all this rule to to
- 27:43eliminate certain people at this point
- 27:45but rather than those systems can hold
- 27:46you back
- 27:47I'm going to say but rather than whine
- 27:49about it my goal is to get on as many
- 27:51shows as I can like yours urge people to
- 27:53go to Larry elder.com give at least one
- 27:55dollar even if you want somebody else
- 27:58don't you think it's wise for us to talk
- 27:59about the epidemic of fatherlessness the
- 28:01lie that America remains systemic racism
- 28:03systemically racist uh and the need for
- 28:05school of choice 13 public high schools
- 28:07in Baltimore zero percent of the kids
- 28:08can do math at grade level are you
- 28:10kidding me 53 public high schools in
- 28:12Chicago zero percent of the kids can do
- 28:13math at grade level meanwhile the
- 28:15Democratic party is opposed to School of
- 28:16Choice while the party Elites whether
- 28:18it's Barack Obama or Gavin Newsom or or
- 28:21Joe Biden have their own kids in private
- 28:23school it is wrong and we need to talk
- 28:24about that Larry Elder why would why
- 28:27would somebody from our community vote
- 28:28for you or why should they vote for you
- 28:30why should a black person vote for you
- 28:31because I'm telling the truth and the
- 28:32truth oftentimes it's unpleasant it's
- 28:34not pleasant for me to be called the
- 28:36black face of white supremacy as the LA
- 28:37times did it's not pleasant for me to be
- 28:39accused of being anti-black as Tavis
- 28:41Smiley once called me because I I don't
- 28:43support reparations by the way Barack
- 28:44Obama never supported reparations nobody
- 28:46called him anti-black we need to talk
- 28:48about what's going on what's going on is
- 28:50the breakdown of the family and most of
- 28:51the things we complain about Downstream
- 28:53whether it's crime or whether it's bad
- 28:54schools the Genesis is the breakdown of
- 28:56the nuclear intact family and we don't
- 28:58talk enough about it do you agree that
- 29:00our community is hit harder with a lot
- 29:01of things that you just said whether it
- 29:03is racism whether it is getting loans
- 29:04whether it is getting entrepreneurship
- 29:06whether it is education whether it is
- 29:07all those things you do understand that
- 29:09and agree with I I do but much of it is
- 29:11either self-inflicted or because of
- 29:13policies that we have supported
- 29:14Democrats that we have supported I wrote
- 29:16a book called It's coming out in uh in
- 29:18October it's called as ghost California
- 29:20my mission to rescue the Golden State
- 29:22and save the nation it's about the
- 29:24one-party rule in California California
- 29:25has super majorities of Democrats in the
- 29:28Senate and in the house and as a result
- 29:30our schools are working are near the
- 29:31bottom people are leaving California for
- 29:33the very first time we have the highest
- 29:35uh state income tax in the country the
- 29:37average price of a home in California
- 29:38cost 175 percent above the national
- 29:40average all because of these left-wing
- 29:42policies that are hurting the very
- 29:43people black and brown people living in
- 29:45the inner city the people on the left
- 29:46claim that they care about do you think
- 29:48slavery is self-inflicted or do you
- 29:49think Jim Crow segregation was
- 29:51self-inflicted or do you think
- 29:54of course it wasn't self-inflicted but
- 29:57but there are a lot of a lot of people
- 30:00have bloody hands in slavery for example
- 30:02slavery could not have existed had it
- 30:03not been for African Chieftains who were
- 30:06selling a black slave captured uh in
- 30:08battle or captured through raids and
- 30:10selling them to European and Arab
- 30:12slavers it could not have could not have
- 30:13existed without that so everybody has
- 30:15dirty hands here that's why reparations
- 30:17is such a foolish thing if you're going
- 30:18to get reparations from the five percent
- 30:20or so of white people they have some
- 30:22sort of generational connection to
- 30:23slavery and that's all there is then you
- 30:25need to go back to Africa uh and get
- 30:27money from African countries that were
- 30:29involved in the slave trade and the and
- 30:30in the Arab slave trade and by the way
- 30:32the Arab slave trade was even worse than
- 30:33the European slave trade ninety percent
- 30:35rate of attrition often making men and
- 30:37women walk on Barefoot across the Sahara
- 30:39and the men were cast rated uh only
- 30:42about five so so so if they go after the
- 30:44money from the other countries then
- 30:45would you agree that it would be okay to
- 30:46go after the money from America
- 30:49when are you going to stop with this
- 30:51everybody has
- 30:56there'll be no end to this because
- 30:58slavery has been part of human history
- 31:00from the very beginning
- 31:02we'd be getting money let you talk sir
- 31:04I've let you talk and every time I talk
- 31:06you begin to talk and then you say let
- 31:07you finish so I asked you a very simple
- 31:09question you said if you're going to go
- 31:10after it in America go after in Africa
- 31:12so if we all agree to go after that in
- 31:14Africa will you then agree to go after
- 31:16that in America it's just a simple
- 31:17question no no I won't because it's a
- 31:19waste of time we ought to be spending
- 31:20our time on on education okay okay you
- 31:23told me that that I cut you off then I
- 31:25tried to answer your question you won't
- 31:26let me finish thank you it's a waste of
- 31:28time we ought to be talking about
- 31:29working hard investing in ourselves
- 31:31right now as we speak they're Haitians
- 31:33uh in Haiti lining up for a lottery to
- 31:35come into this country why because it is
- 31:37the land of the free and the home of the
- 31:39brave you can go from nothing to
- 31:40something faster in America than any
- 31:42other country in all of human history we
- 31:44ought to be talking about that let me
- 31:45just one more Point 1997 Time Magazine
- 31:49and CNN hooked up together to do a poll
- 31:51on what black teenagers and white
- 31:53teenagers felt about racism and both of
- 31:55them were assets racism a major problem
- 31:56in America both of them said yes but
- 31:58then time and CNN asked this question of
- 32:00the of the black teenagers it's racism a
- 32:03big problem a small problem or no
- 32:05problem in your own daily life this is
- 32:061997. 89 of them said small problem or
- 32:10no problem in my own daily life in fact
- 32:11twice as many blacks said failure to
- 32:14take advantage of available
- 32:15opportunities is a bigger problem than
- 32:17racism
- 32:191997. look it up 2023 though
- 32:22you think America's more racist now
- 32:24after the election and re-election of
- 32:25Barack Obama than it was in 1997. yes
- 32:27because of the election of uh Maga
- 32:30Donald Trump 100 yes really absolutely
- 32:33how is it how is it uh Charlemagne that
- 32:36Donald Trump got eight percent of the
- 32:37black vote in uh in 2016. he got 12 in
- 32:422020 50 increase he got 20 percent of
- 32:45the black male vote in 2020. uh if Maga
- 32:48is racist how do you explain that that
- 32:49Donald Trump substantially increased the
- 32:51percentage of black votes Republican
- 32:53party God sometimes people make why are
- 32:54you running against something yes I'm
- 32:57not running against him I'm running
- 32:58against Biden Harris any one of the
- 33:00republican nominees we have would be
- 33:02better than what we have right now I'm
- 33:03not running against him I'm running to
- 33:05put forth the issues I just now
- 33:06mentioned that I've been talking about
- 33:07for the last few minutes you know I want
- 33:08to ask you about that you know after
- 33:09four indictments 91 criminal charges
- 33:12don't you think it would behoove the
- 33:13Republican party to move
- 33:15on from Donald Trump
- 33:17I think that the voters and the primary
- 33:20will make that decision what do you
- 33:22think though I have no problem with with
- 33:24uh I thought Donald Trump did an
- 33:25extraordinary job as president
- 33:26especially for black people best economy
- 33:28ever he did something about the borders
- 33:30the people that are most hurt because of
- 33:32poorest borders are black people living
- 33:33in the inner city because most of the
- 33:35illegal aliens have little or no
- 33:37education they end up living in the
- 33:38inner city they compete against black
- 33:40people with high school or less for jobs
- 33:41they're about a million fewer black
- 33:43people working than who would otherwise
- 33:45be working if it weren't for illegal
- 33:46alien labor and illegal alien labor
- 33:48according to a study done by the Civil
- 33:50Rights Commission puts downward pressure
- 33:51to the tune of almost two thousand
- 33:53dollars per year in the salaries of
- 33:54black people living in the inner city
- 33:55and Donald Trump gave us the most secure
- 33:57border we ever had he also supported
- 33:59school choice he also did the first step
- 34:01act which allowed about 5 000 mostly
- 34:04black men with long criminal uh
- 34:06sentences non-violent to have their
- 34:07sentences reduced an average of 70
- 34:09months per uh he pardoned Jack Johnson
- 34:11the first black heavyweight champion
- 34:12even Barack Obama didn't do that yeah he
- 34:14did an extraordinary job for black
- 34:15people I think you're innocent until
- 34:16approving guilty but I feel like
- 34:18President Biden had four indictments 91
- 34:21criminal charges uh you know President
- 34:22Obama have won diamonds 91 criminal
- 34:24charges y'all will be telling them that
- 34:25they need to step aside and they
- 34:26shouldn't be running for president well
- 34:27I wouldn't vote for Barack Obama or for
- 34:30Joe Biden in any case no matter where
- 34:31they had indictments or no indictments I
- 34:33don't vote for tax men regulate liberals
- 34:35um you're a conservative right obviously
- 34:37no question what initially made you
- 34:38gravitate towards being a conservative I
- 34:41think it was my father my father was a
- 34:42lifelong Republican and my father always
- 34:44told my brothers and me the following
- 34:46Democrats want to give you something for
- 34:47nothing I'm trying to get something for
- 34:49nothing you almost always getting
- 34:50nothing for something and my dad I told
- 34:52you about his background he told my
- 34:54brothers and me that hard work wins you
- 34:56got out of life what you put into it you
- 34:57cannot control the outcome Larry but you
- 34:59are 100 in control of the effort before
- 35:01you moan or groan about what somebody
- 35:02did or said do you go to the nearest
- 35:04mirror look at it and ask yourself what
- 35:05could I have done to change the outcome
- 35:06and finally Charlemagne my dad told me
- 35:08my brothers and me this no matter how
- 35:10hard you work how good you are sooner or
- 35:12later bad stuff is going to happen to
- 35:13you how you deal with those bad things
- 35:14will tell your mother and me if we raise
- 35:16the man I wrote a book about my father's
- 35:18life it's called dear father Dear Son
- 35:19two lives eight hours it's about an
- 35:21eight-hour conversation he and I had
- 35:23where at the beginning of the
- 35:24conversation I thought my dad was harsh
- 35:25I thought he spanked this too often we
- 35:28had we had a belt in those days from the
- 35:30south you spank kids uh and I thought my
- 35:33dad was way too harsh and we had an
- 35:35eight hour eight hour conversation and
- 35:36by the time we ended my dad got bigger
- 35:38and bigger and bigger and Larry only got
- 35:39smaller and smaller and smaller I
- 35:40apologized to him and it's a book that
- 35:42that's changed a lot of people's lives
- 35:44it's called as I said your father dear
- 35:46son lives eight hours the paperback is
- 35:48called a lot like me same book but it's
- 35:49cheaper can you honestly say this is the
- 35:51Republican party that you grew up on
- 35:54this modern day GOP yes uh the
- 35:56Republican Party pretty much has always
- 35:58stood for low taxes low regulation uh uh
- 36:01Peace Truth strength not strength
- 36:03through peace and strong borders and
- 36:04still does
- 36:05and and when Donald Trump is gone and he
- 36:07will be gone even if he gets reelected
- 36:09day after he gets reelected he's a lame
- 36:10duck the party will still go on the
- 36:13principles will still go on however I do
- 36:14believe that uh many people in our party
- 36:17uh have have uh spent and spent and
- 36:20spent so that Ronald Reagan my favorite
- 36:22President when he entered the Oval
- 36:23Office Charlemagne uh when he left
- 36:25government was bigger he got bigger
- 36:27under George Herbert Walker Bush it got
- 36:28bigger under w got bigger under Donald
- 36:30Trump and the only way to restrain
- 36:32spending is with them amendment to the
- 36:33Constitution to fix spending to a
- 36:35certain percentage of the GDP with
- 36:36exception for war and for natural
- 36:38disaster otherwise we're going to get
- 36:39bigger and bigger and bigger let me use
- 36:40a word unsustainable that's the word
- 36:42Barack Obama used to describe the
- 36:44so-called entitlements unsustainable was
- 36:46a word that Bill Clinton used to
- 36:47describe them but nothing happens
- 36:49because if you run claiming you're going
- 36:50to reform Social Security or Medicare
- 36:52the other side is going to accuse you of
- 36:53not caring about the sick the poor the
- 36:55elderly and you are going to lose
- 36:56elections that's why government gets
- 36:57bigger and bigger and bigger so we need
- 36:59a law to restrain spending otherwise
- 37:00it's going to get bigger and bigger and
- 37:01bigger and for young people like you uh
- 37:04these programs are not going to be there
- 37:06Mr Elder I I know a lot of black
- 37:09conservatives and and I I I completely
- 37:11agree about the black family I don't
- 37:13think anybody here objects to that I'm
- 37:15sorry about that at all I think when you
- 37:17talk about ideology and then you mix in
- 37:19parties and then personalities it gets
- 37:20kind of confusing and you know you
- 37:23mention yourself not to moan and groan
- 37:25you know that as long as you work hard
- 37:26all is well and I think where the
- 37:28conflict is coming in is you did moan
- 37:30and groan about how the Republicans
- 37:31treated you you did moan and groan about
- 37:33Governor Newsom and uh you know asking
- 37:35for a recall you did not leave that up
- 37:37to the voters you are moaning and
- 37:39groaning when it comes to Donald Trump
- 37:40and how he's being treated so it just
- 37:42seems to be a hypocrisy and I don't know
- 37:44if the message would land a little bit
- 37:46better if there was some fairness across
- 37:48the board on Democrats and Republicans
- 37:50I'm an independent by the way and I
- 37:52think both parties are trash and I think
- 37:53all of us here you know see both sides
- 37:55and that's the part that's just not
- 37:57Landing for me there seems to be an
- 37:59unfairness on both sides with you well
- 38:01not too surprisingly I don't agree with
- 38:02your analysis how is it that I did not
- 38:04leave the recall to the voters what do
- 38:05you mean by that yeah what do you you
- 38:07said you said you said I didn't leave
- 38:08the recall to the voters no no I said
- 38:10you moaned and groaned about it you you
- 38:12said it should be recalled correct
- 38:15correct I said Gavin Newsom should have
- 38:17been recalled yes right that's moaning
- 38:19and growing well actually it's taking
- 38:20advantage of what's in the California
- 38:21Constitution which is when a certain
- 38:23percentage of Voters sign a petition to
- 38:25recall a politician uh there can be a
- 38:27recall vote and there was one as there
- 38:29was in 2003 we recall the governor then
- 38:31and there was in 20 20 21 when I
- 38:33attempted to recall Gavin Newsom that's
- 38:34part of our Democratic process in
- 38:36California absolutely absolutely we we
- 38:38agree with that I'm going to your
- 38:39statement when you said rather than moan
- 38:41about it a little while ago you said
- 38:42rather than moan about it I'm just going
- 38:44to keep doing the hard work and so I'm
- 38:45just saying that technically is moaning
- 38:47about it because the government
- 38:49I don't follow I don't follow exactly
- 38:52what you're saying I believe it's okay
- 38:56one moment yeah we get it one moment
- 38:59you're complaining about the system and
- 39:01the next minute you're saying the system
- 39:02is is fair the next thing you're saying
- 39:04is not fair so that's what I'm saying
- 39:05there just seems to be a double standard
- 39:07on you and the system not wanting to be
- 39:10accountable for a system that black
- 39:11people are not in charge of by the way
- 39:13do I of not wanting to hold both sides
- 39:15accountable when it comes to the system
- 39:17do I believe Hillary was treated
- 39:18differently and Joe Biden treated
- 39:20differently than Donald Trump is being
- 39:21treated yes I do is that an indictment
- 39:24about whether or not America is
- 39:25systemically racist no it is not
- 39:28two different things yes if you're
- 39:30trying to merge the two but they're two
- 39:32totally different things I agree with
- 39:33you there's two different things we're
- 39:34agreeing we're agreeing to two different
- 39:36things we're agreeing really terrific
- 39:38things we're not agreeing that there's a
- 39:39systematic racism because we're not in
- 39:41charge of the system sir in case you
- 39:43okay okay all right all right can we can
- 39:45we black people have never been in
- 39:46charge of any system actually actually
- 39:48we have been take Baltimore no we've
- 39:50never been in charge may I finish anyway
- 39:52no tell me what Financial system are
- 39:53black people in charge of the Health
- 39:55Care system are black people in charge
- 39:56of what government system are black
- 39:58people prison system I'm about ready to
- 40:01tell you I'm not talking about Mayors I
- 40:03already know they're talking talking
- 40:04points sir I go on Fox News all the time
- 40:06as well so let's not let's not go there
- 40:08with that I said what system have we
- 40:09created have we implemented that we have
- 40:12been in charge of name one is this why
- 40:14you don't like talking to black women
- 40:15Larry Hilda wow
- 40:17um Baltimore uh Freddie gray a few years
- 40:20no no that's Mayors I'm not talking I
- 40:22said system I'm going to tell you about
- 40:25this system if you allow me to finish my
- 40:26point I'm not talking about somebody
- 40:27elected and doing a job sir I asked what
- 40:29system did we create what Finance okay
- 40:31let's talk about the system of one of
- 40:33the largest thank you when the systems
- 40:35of one of the largest uh cities in
- 40:36America Baltimore uh Freddie gray died
- 40:39in police custody a few years ago uh the
- 40:41mayor was black the head of the police
- 40:44department was black number two it's not
- 40:46in charge of the system but go ahead
- 40:47number two person in charge of the
- 40:49police department was black all all the
- 40:52city council Democrats majority black
- 40:54still not in charge of the system wow
- 40:57six officers charged three of them were
- 41:00black a judge before whom two of the
- 41:01officers tried their case found him not
- 41:03guilty was black still not in charge the
- 41:06city uh uh intended of public schools
- 41:11was black the county superintendent of
- 41:12public schools is black
- 41:14um the Attorney General at the time
- 41:16Loretta Lynch is black as was the
- 41:18president of the United States was black
- 41:19and yet still not in charge of the
- 41:21system
- 41:22well Wanda Sykes said when when uh when
- 41:26Barack Obama got elected how are you
- 41:27gonna complain about the man when you
- 41:29are the man now from the president to
- 41:31the attorney general to the state
- 41:32attorney uh to the mayor to the head of
- 41:34the police department uh to the
- 41:36commissions of the schools in the city
- 41:38and in the county uh to the majority of
- 41:40City Council in that City all of them
- 41:42are black and you're still saying that
- 41:44we don't run anything no no I said who
- 41:47created the system I didn't say we
- 41:48didn't run anything I I challenge a lot
- 41:50of those black leaders by the way I said
- 41:52who when we talk about the system who
- 41:54what black people have been in charge of
- 41:56any system I'm not talking about a
- 41:57position I'm not talking about a mayor
- 41:59you know you're basically saying that
- 42:01they're black faces that are still in no
- 42:03probation
- 42:04so you're a black face in a position in
- 42:07the conservative movement they're just
- 42:09the same they're just on the other side
- 42:10I'm talking about so then so so then so
- 42:12then when Martin Luther King said in
- 42:141966 I believe there could be a black
- 42:15president uh in about 40 years time then
- 42:18it really doesn't matter if there's one
- 42:19or Israel nothing changes
- 42:27realize they're correct wow
- 42:31an individual killed him
- 42:33right that was also a part of crow Hotel
- 42:36through the system correct not correct
- 42:39not correct FBI didn't have anything to
- 42:43do with it the CIA didn't have anything
- 42:44to do with it was definitely on Martin's
- 42:46ass like I didn't say he wasn't uh
- 42:49Robert Kennedy is the one that approved
- 42:51the wiretaps but to say that the FBI
- 42:52killed him I mean what's your evidence
- 42:55of that oh no that's pretty serious
- 42:57charge yeah yeah pretty serious charge
- 42:59serious charges yeah
- 43:04uh it is to allow states to set up
- 43:07commissions of retired judges and
- 43:09retired DA's to get rid of these soft on
- 43:11crime George Soros back DA's that are
- 43:13allowing a bunch of bad people on the
- 43:15streets or not charging bad people to
- 43:16the full extent of the law and the
- 43:18people that by and large are hurt by
- 43:19these people are the very black and
- 43:21brown people living in the Inner City
- 43:23um
- 43:24there's a Larry krasner is a George
- 43:28Soros back D.A in Philadelphia he's been
- 43:30impeached but this Philadelphia state
- 43:32senate wouldn't even take up the case
- 43:33we've had two attempts to repeal a soft
- 43:35on crime D.A in L.A county and it hasn't
- 43:39gone through yet we've got a bunch of in
- 43:42my opinion this guy Alvin Bragg he ran
- 43:44promising to get Donald Trump and when
- 43:46he got in he said the evidence wasn't
- 43:47there and then one of the former DA's
- 43:49writes a book accuses a brag of giving
- 43:51Donald Trump a pass and all of a sudden
- 43:53he brings counts against Donald Trump I
- 43:55think it's unfair do you think members
- 43:57of your party are leaning toward fascism
- 44:02Define fascism I mean the rejection of
- 44:04democracy the rule of law and equal
- 44:06rights under the law in favor of a
- 44:07strong man Donald Trump who interprets
- 44:09the popular will
- 44:11uh no I don't uh there was a long
- 44:13article about Barack Obama by one of my
- 44:16mentors his name is Thomas Soul he's an
- 44:18economist he's a black conservative he's
- 44:20still alive right 95 years old and he
- 44:22wrote a piece in which he said a lot of
- 44:24people call people like Barack Obama
- 44:26socialist socialism is government
- 44:28ownership of the means of production
- 44:29fascism is when the government allows
- 44:32you to own me into production but
- 44:34government tells you what to do and he
- 44:35said frankly technically people like
- 44:37Barack Obama are fascists that is to say
- 44:39these are left wound people telling you
- 44:41how to run your business telling you
- 44:42what to sell telling you what you can't
- 44:44sell for example in California we have a
- 44:46governor named Gavin Newsom who recently
- 44:48said by the year 2035 no more sailed of
- 44:51new gas powered cars how dare you uh
- 44:54most people don't want an EV they like
- 44:56their own gasoline-powered cars but now
- 44:58you're telling car dealership they can't
- 44:59even sell them what do you call that but
- 45:01what about you know uh when they you
- 45:03tell women what to do with their bodies
- 45:05well that is a moral issue I happen to
- 45:07be pro-life and I believe that uh uh
- 45:10that abortion is a sin that's not
- 45:13telling women what to do with their body
- 45:14that's expressing my opinion about
- 45:15whether or not it is right or it is
- 45:17wrong for example there is a guy right
- 45:19now behind bars in Philadelphia named Dr
- 45:21Kermit Gosnell he is an abortion doctor
- 45:24who performed late-term abortions when I
- 45:26ask people who consider my position to
- 45:28be extreme I ask him tell me at what
- 45:30point do you believe pregnancy has gone
- 45:31so far that to terminate The Unborn
- 45:33would be would be homicide and almost
- 45:35nobody will give you an answer so in
- 45:37other words what you're really telling
- 45:39me then is this guy Dr Kermit Gosnell
- 45:41should be set free he's a political
- 45:43prisoner he was persecuted unfairly if
- 45:45you want if you won't tell me when you
- 45:46think at what point of pregnancy cannot
- 45:48be terminated unless it's less unless
- 45:50it's homicide uh then to me you're
- 45:52essentially allowing women to to Kill
- 45:55The Unborn no matter how old that unborn
- 45:56is and I and I think that's wrong the
- 45:59other thing strongly real quickly on
- 46:00this issue
- 46:01it'd be one thing if the pro-life
- 46:03Community was not talking to talk and
- 46:04walking the walk but there are literally
- 46:06thousands of pregnancy centers All Over
- 46:08America whether it's funding for
- 46:10adoption services funding for housing
- 46:12funding for Education funding for job
- 46:14training to let women know they have
- 46:17Alternatives and every state will decide
- 46:19this the government shouldn't be passing
- 46:20some sort of law one way or the other
- 46:22regarding abortion every State's going
- 46:24to decide that I'm in California which
- 46:25is a deep blue State there have been two
- 46:27initiatives to restrict abortion I voted
- 46:29in favor of them I was overwhelmingly
- 46:30defeated and when abortion has been put
- 46:32on the ballot in recent years other
- 46:34people that wanted abortion restrictions
- 46:35have lost the American people pretty
- 46:37much have said first-term abortions they
- 46:39want them to be legal late-term
- 46:40abortions they don't want them to be
- 46:42legal I happen to disagree with that but
- 46:43I'm willing to live in a society that
- 46:45has a different point of view than I
- 46:46have on this issue and you have a real
- 46:47democracy if you're taking away people's
- 46:49Power of Choice
- 46:51if you're taking away people's power to
- 46:53choose and not giving them any options
- 46:55well if you consider it to be if you
- 46:56considered to be a crime uh that
- 46:58abortion is a sin in my opinion not
- 47:00taking people the right to choose you're
- 47:02making a moral statement about what's
- 47:03right and what's wrong I mean there's a
- 47:04lot of sins though sex before marriage
- 47:06is a sin I'm sure you did some of that
- 47:08as for the sins of my past either the
- 47:10Lord has forgiven me or the statute of
- 47:12limitations have run out I'm making a
- 47:14joke about that a lot of people of
- 47:16course make mistakes yes
- 47:18okay and I think that people uh should
- 47:20deal with the consequences of their
- 47:22actions and and if you let people know
- 47:24their consequences to their actions it
- 47:26will inform their actions and make them
- 47:27behave more responsibly anytime you
- 47:29allow bad behavior to continue you're
- 47:31going to get more bad behavior whether
- 47:32that's so how does that apply to
- 47:33president Trump then because you said
- 47:35that was a two-tier system that because
- 47:37I don't I don't believe I don't believe
- 47:39Donald Trump you don't think you need
- 47:40anything I don't think he did anything
- 47:41wrong no I don't I believe that he
- 47:43complained about the election the same
- 47:44way Hillary did Hillary for four years
- 47:46referred to the 2016 elections having
- 47:48been stolen her word not mine she called
- 47:50Donald Trump illegitimate her word not
- 47:52mine uh Jay Johnson who's Obama's DHS
- 47:54secretary testified under oath that not
- 47:57a single vote tally was changed by the
- 47:59Russians they tried but they failed to
- 48:00change a single vote tally 66 percent of
- 48:02Democrats believe the Russians change
- 48:04votalis to get Donald Trump elected even
- 48:07though Jay Johnson testified underworld
- 48:08not a single one with change that's the
- 48:10damage that people like Hillary and
- 48:12former President Jimmy Carter uh and
- 48:14Stacy Abrams and Hakeem Jeffries and
- 48:16others have said for years referring to
- 48:18Donald Trump it's illegitimate a greater
- 48:20percentage of Democrats believe 2016 was
- 48:21stolen then we feel that way about 2020
- 48:24but yet nobody calls him election
- 48:25deniers and nobody accuses him of
- 48:27undermining our Republic and they're not
- 48:28undermining our Republic they're
- 48:29complaining about an election you have a
- 48:31right to do so
- 48:32I know I know you probably got to go uh
- 48:34have you ever heard of the term a [ __ ]
- 48:36wake up call no
- 48:38it is an incident where a person of
- 48:40color forgets that they are of color and
- 48:42are reminded rather brutally by an
- 48:44unexpected Act of racism
- 48:48you think well I'm acutely aware
- 48:51Charlemagne that I'm a black person just
- 48:53as you are a black person and when uh
- 48:55Joe Biden insulted you by saying you
- 48:58ain't really black we don't know whether
- 48:59or not you want to vote for me or vote
- 49:00for Donald Trump uh the team see me that
- 49:02should have been a wake-up call on your
- 49:03part how dare this guy come in here and
- 49:05insult you a black man and tell you you
- 49:07got to think a certain kind of way I'm
- 49:08amazed that you weren't mad about that
- 49:11um I'm not gonna say that it upset me
- 49:13it's like I'm not letting you upset me
- 49:14you know I mean I don't tend to get
- 49:15upset over things like that but what I
- 49:16did say well you just not talk about a
- 49:18[ __ ] wake-up call and it seemed to me
- 49:19that that should have been a wake-up
- 49:20call on your part to have a white guy
- 49:22come in here who also said by the way uh
- 49:25uh about Mitt Romney
- 49:27um uh because he didn't want to put more
- 49:30regulations on Wall Street gonna put
- 49:31y'all back in Chains and Joe Biden has
- 49:33lied for decades about the Civil Rights
- 49:35record claiming that he desegregated
- 49:37movie theaters and restaurants and
- 49:38Wilmington Delaware when he didn't any
- 49:40didn't do any of that he lied and said
- 49:42that he tried to visit Nelson Mandela
- 49:43during apartheid South Africa he did not
- 49:45and he came in here and told you you
- 49:47weren't even black unless you think a
- 49:48certain kind of way it seemed to me that
- 49:50should have been a [ __ ] wake-up call
- 49:51for you but it wasn't apparently I mean
- 49:52you know for the record I'm not a
- 49:53Democrat or Republican I didn't say you
- 49:55were I think I don't know what you are I
- 49:57never even asked you about your party
- 49:58affiliation yeah I'm just saying but you
- 50:00are black and to have a white guy come
- 50:02in here and tell you you have to say
- 50:03think a certain kind of way otherwise
- 50:04you quote ain't black wow how should I
- 50:06reply to him you think
- 50:08what I just now said how dare you insult
- 50:10me and tell me I I think as a human
- 50:12being let alone as a black person I
- 50:13don't tell you how to thank Joe Biden
- 50:15how dare you come in here and tell me
- 50:16how I I should think I'm going to vote
- 50:18for Donald Trump if I want to vote for
- 50:19Donald Trump and if I want to vote for
- 50:21Donald Trump it does not make me not
- 50:22black 20 of black people black men as I
- 50:25said I voted for Donald Trump in 2020
- 50:27are they not black now so only 80 of
- 50:29black people black men walking around
- 50:31are really black 20 or not because they
- 50:33voted for Donald Trump how insulting is
- 50:34that how condescending is that um
- 50:37I I mean you probably right but I didn't
- 50:39take it in that way well I did as I said
- 50:41to him in that moment you know it's just
- 50:42about me wanting something for my people
- 50:44and I want to know what is he going to
- 50:45do for my people and not only for my
- 50:47people now how are you going to atone
- 50:48for the things you've done to my people
- 50:50right that's it right this is a guy uh
- 50:52Joe Biden who when he first got into the
- 50:54Senate hung out with segregationists
- 50:55talked about how well he got along with
- 50:57him I talked about how he didn't want
- 50:59integration because of a jungle uh this
- 51:01guy has made all sorts of insulting
- 51:02things to black people and his policies
- 51:04right now are hurting black people
- 51:05inflation hurts the people at the bottom
- 51:07more than anything else letting a bunch
- 51:09of illegal aliens into the Border or
- 51:10hurting black people more than anybody
- 51:11else as I said earlier he supports
- 51:14oppose a School of Choice when he has
- 51:15his own kids in private school and we
- 51:17lost a year almost two years of
- 51:19in-school education in California
- 51:20because of covet that he supported I
- 51:23mean this guy has done monstrous things
- 51:24to black people and then for him to come
- 51:26in here and tell you how you ought to
- 51:27think of the black person it blew my
- 51:29mind as a person objectively who doesn't
- 51:31care about either the party when I just
- 51:32take a step back and I just look at what
- 51:34everything that's happening I see one
- 51:36party that theme still committed to
- 51:38democracy somewhat and one party who's
- 51:41headed fast towards fascism
- 51:43that's just my personal opinion so who
- 51:45do you think I would vote for well well
- 51:47let's let's talk let's talk about
- 51:48fascism since I assume you're talking
- 51:50about uh election denying uh in 2000
- 51:53when George W bush won the election over
- 51:56Al Gore uh the Democrats the first week
- 51:58of of January 2001 tried to overturn the
- 52:01results in Florida
- 52:03uh 2004 George W bush gets reelected uh
- 52:06Democrats including Benny Thompson the
- 52:08chair of the January 6 committee Jamie
- 52:10Raskin a member of the January 6
- 52:11committee joined with 28 other house
- 52:13Democrats and Senator Barbara Box would
- 52:15overturn the results in Ohio claiming
- 52:17without any evidence the Debo voting
- 52:19machine had been hacked uh 2016 January
- 52:2220 January 2017 Democrats challenged
- 52:25more States uh trying to get the
- 52:27election overturned that elected Donald
- 52:29Trump then Donald Trump challenged the
- 52:31first week of January in 2021. nobody
- 52:33accused them of undermining our Republic
- 52:35nobody accused them of being fascist
- 52:36they exercise whatever means they could
- 52:39to try to win the election I want to
- 52:41remind you that Hillary Clinton advised
- 52:43Joe Biden during the 2020 election if it
- 52:46is a close election quote do not concede
- 52:48under any circumstances close quote
- 52:50Donald Trump used whatever legal means
- 52:52he could advancing some novel legal
- 52:55theories to try to stay in office and he
- 52:57failed but I don't blame him for trying
- 52:59yeah but it's not just election denying
- 53:01it's the disdain the women in fear of
- 53:03non-standard gender identities and
- 53:04sexual orientation disdain for the
- 53:06galvanizing of popular rage against
- 53:08cultural Elites it's nationalism based
- 53:10on dominance Superior racing historic
- 53:12Bloodlines like there's a lot of things
- 53:13that Republicans are doing well what
- 53:15about what about uh what about uh Joe
- 53:17Biden going to Howard University as he
- 53:19did recently giving a commencement
- 53:20speech Charlemagne and he said the
- 53:21number one threat to the Homeland was
- 53:23white supremacy really the anti-defense
- 53:26the Anti-Defamation League keeps track
- 53:28of how many people are killed by
- 53:29extremists no matter the race of the
- 53:30extremists every year last year there
- 53:32were 25. as I said in 2020 there are 11
- 53:35000 blacks who were murdered almost all
- 53:37murdered by other people not murdered by
- 53:39white extremists it's a lie to say white
- 53:40extremists is a big problem in America
- 53:42it's a lie it's what Democrats do to get
- 53:44black people angry it's what Democrats
- 53:47fine uh I don't I don't agree with that
- 53:50the number one threat to the Homeland is
- 53:52a large number of people who are engaged
- 53:54in criminal activity uh and what
- 53:56Democrats do is tell black people racism
- 53:58racist and racism they tried out David
- 54:00Duke or some other effect simile every
- 54:02four years to tell black people vote for
- 54:04us because after all we're the party of
- 54:06racial justice social justice inequity
- 54:08and these nationally people over there
- 54:09these Republicans are the party of Jim
- 54:12Crow and slavery even though it was the
- 54:13Democratic party that was a party of Jim
- 54:15Crow and slavery so why should black
- 54:16people rock with the GOP then like what
- 54:19are the reasons economics
- 54:21uh I had Tavis Smiley and Cornell West
- 54:23on my radio show one Charlemagne
- 54:26and I told Tavis and and Cornell West
- 54:28that under Ronald Reagan black adult
- 54:30unemployment fell faster than white
- 54:31adult unemployment black Hispanic
- 54:33unemployment fell faster than did white
- 54:35unemployment black teenage unemployment
- 54:37fell faster than did white a teenage
- 54:39unemployment black businesses were
- 54:40created at a rate faster uh their
- 54:42revenues grew at a rate faster and they
- 54:43both told me that I was wrong and that
- 54:45they would have the data on my desk by
- 54:46Monday that was 15 years ago I know the
- 54:49mail is slow but it seems to me they
- 54:50should have given it to me by now again
- 54:52Donald Trump resided over the best
- 54:54economy ever for black people lowest
- 54:56unemployment and it seems to me the
- 54:59number one reason that most people vote
- 55:00is because of the economy we have had
- 55:0240-year historic high in inflation we've
- 55:05had gas prices that are now about 40
- 55:06percent more than what they were when uh
- 55:09Joe Biden came into office and we have
- 55:10about seven million illegal aliens in
- 55:13our country and the bulk of the
- 55:15suffering because of these illegal
- 55:17aliens will be borne by black people
- 55:18living in the inner city those are those
- 55:20are three reasons alone not not to vote
- 55:22for the Democratic party and to vote for
- 55:24Republican party and by the way I'm not
- 55:25voting for a fishing buddy it's not
- 55:26because I like Trump or like him
- 55:28personally I'm voting for policies and I
- 55:30don't really care whether or not uh his
- 55:32his personality offends people and he
- 55:34does bad tweets maybe it might be better
- 55:36for our society if he were more polite I
- 55:39don't know I don't care I'm not voting
- 55:40for a phishing buddy I'm voting for
- 55:41somebody to keep taxes low keep
- 55:43regulations low uh to secure the borders
- 55:45and keep us out of unnecessary Wars
- 55:46would it be fun to have money in the
- 55:48fastest country though to be black and
- 55:49have money in the fastest country
- 55:51I don't agree this is a fascist country
- 55:54it's always better to have money than
- 55:56not to have money um
- 55:58all right anything else says
- 56:00well I just just a simple question have
- 56:02the Republicans done anything uh that
- 56:04you disagree with just out of curiosity
- 56:06they spend too much uh I think taxes are
- 56:08still too high uh I think that there are
- 56:12a lot of Republicans that support things
- 56:13like minimum wages and by the way Milton
- 56:15Friedman one of my favorite economists
- 56:17said the minimum wage is perhaps the
- 56:18most anti-black law in the statute books
- 56:20close quote at one time a black teenager
- 56:22was more likely to have a job than a
- 56:24white teenager until the minimum wage
- 56:25came along and kicked it up and up and
- 56:27up so there are policies at the
- 56:28Republican Party supports unlike minimum
- 56:31wage some of them do that I don't like
- 56:32also also kinds of Licensing unnecessary
- 56:36licensing I was at an Apple Store a few
- 56:38years ago and this black woman waited on
- 56:40me and she was very sharp technically
- 56:41I'm not very technically sharp and I was
- 56:43very impressed and I said have you
- 56:44always been technically sharp she goes
- 56:45well I'm not really I I'm just here
- 56:47because I want to uh
- 56:50earn enough money to get a license to
- 56:51cut hair I said black hair she said yes
- 56:53I said you don't know how to cut that
- 56:55black hair already I have black barbers
- 56:57in my family everybody learned how to
- 56:58cut hair on their own she said well in
- 57:00California you have to have a license uh
- 57:02to get uh if they have a a license to
- 57:05get open up a shop to cut hair that's
- 57:07how much does it cost she said five
- 57:08thousand dollars I said you need to get
- 57:10a five thousand dollar license to learn
- 57:12how to do something you already know how
- 57:13to do what is that so a lot of the rules
- 57:15and regulations
- 57:20the system applies to both blacks and
- 57:22whites too but fair enough those systems
- 57:25ought to be struck down uh and uh so
- 57:27there are lots of things Republicans do
- 57:28that I don't know you know that you know
- 57:30they have to train how to learn with
- 57:32diseases and to make sure your clippers
- 57:33are clean and make sure certain things
- 57:35that you have to follow certain
- 57:36protocols so that you can be a barber so
- 57:38that you can make sure that the
- 57:40community's safe when you're doing these
- 57:41these protocols well if if there weren't
- 57:44government protocols there'd be other
- 57:46protocols for example there's something
- 57:48called the consumer reports uh that's
- 57:50not government and it comes out and it
- 57:52talks about cars and what cars are good
- 57:54cars are safe if Government didn't do
- 57:56this kind of thing entrepreneurs would
- 57:57step in and they would have licensing so
- 57:59there'd be a little sticker on the
- 58:01window when you go to a barber shop and
- 58:02they would say I've been approved by
- 58:04so-and-so licensing board or
- 58:05organization some of it's [ __ ] 5000
- 58:07is too much though there are there are
- 58:09all sorts of things that we would do if
- 58:10the government was not doing them do you
- 58:12have a black bubble yeah I do oh okay
- 58:14just making sure actually actually I
- 58:15have a black barber for 25 5 30 years he
- 58:18got cancer and now the person that owns
- 58:21a shop who is Latina cuts my hair okay I
- 58:23do want to ask you one final question
- 58:24when did you when do you think systemic
- 58:26racism ended since you said it don't
- 58:28exist anymore when did it end um I can't
- 58:30come up with a specific time but uh
- 58:32civil rights Civil Rights Act of 1964 uh
- 58:36Brown versus Board of Education the
- 58:37loving versus Virginia act that struck
- 58:39down uh race mixing you couldn't for 13
- 58:43states you couldn't marry a white woman
- 58:46um again I think that when Barack Obama
- 58:48got elected that was a big deal uh when
- 58:50Obama got elected this is really
- 58:52important he got elected with a little
- 58:54more than 52 of the vote
- 58:56he walks into the Oval Office the third
- 58:57week of January he had a 70 approval how
- 59:00can that be how can 15 all of a sudden
- 59:02support this man it wasn't because they
- 59:04wanted capital gains taxes raised which
- 59:06Obama promised to do it wasn't because
- 59:07of Obamacare which Obama promised to do
- 59:09is because many Americans said at the
- 59:11very least he'll stop the nonsense that
- 59:13America remains systemically racist and
- 59:15for eight years in my humble opinion he
- 59:17played race card after race card after
- 59:19race card so when he entered the Oval
- 59:21Office both blacks and whites thought
- 59:22race relations were getting would get
- 59:24better when he left both blacks and
- 59:25wives thought they got worse why because
- 59:27he did things like the Cambridge Police
- 59:29acted stupidly when they didn't if I had
- 59:31a son he looked like Trayvon when what
- 59:33happened to Trayvon had nothing to do
- 59:34with his race he embraced black lives
- 59:36matter uh he invited Al Sharpton in the
- 59:38White House over 70 times uh he said
- 59:41that racism is in America's DNA he said
- 59:43all sorts of things so that when he left
- 59:45both blacks and whites thought relations
- 59:46race relations got worse
- 59:48this is where the and we can just agree
- 59:51to disagree because you're mixing race
- 59:52relations and voters what voters decided
- 59:55to do who might just be very good people
- 59:57that decided to elect a black man
- 59:59confusing with institutional system
- 1:00:01racism and those are just two totally
- 1:00:04different things and it's okay if we
- 1:00:05just agree to disagree
- 1:00:06um you know we're I'm talking about
- 1:00:07structures not what voters did or you
- 1:00:10know voters wanted to see better race
- 1:00:11relations we're talking about structures
- 1:00:13the same structures that you've
- 1:00:14referenced several times that have also
- 1:00:16spited you so Joe Biden for example when
- 1:00:19Georgia reformed his law said it was
- 1:00:21worse than Jim Crow it's Jim Eagle more
- 1:00:23blacks voted in Georgia than ever before
- 1:00:25the percentage of blacks increased uh if
- 1:00:28the structure how is it that the
- 1:00:29structure did not stop black people from
- 1:00:30voting in Georgia
- 1:00:32well I'm not talking about voting sir
- 1:00:34I'm talking about it let just just to be
- 1:00:36fair I think Joe Biden and what Joe
- 1:00:38bideners did to African Americans
- 1:00:39particularly with the War on Drugs was
- 1:00:41one of the worst things that actually
- 1:00:42happened to black people just to put
- 1:00:44that on the record he he too was a part
- 1:00:45of that system that I'm talking about
- 1:00:46Democrats as well I just try to stay
- 1:00:49balanced to say that that same system
- 1:00:50goes applies on both sides Democrats and
- 1:00:53Republicans helped with mass
- 1:00:54incarceration Joe Joe uh Biden LED it
- 1:00:57wrote it so so we have no problem or I
- 1:00:59have no problem uh condemning him as a
- 1:01:02Democrat for what he's done I'm just
- 1:01:03talking about institutions versus
- 1:01:06relations are just two totally different
- 1:01:07things and that's just where we you know
- 1:01:09just disagree with that and that's okay
- 1:01:11well we didn't really get into mass
- 1:01:12incarceration but most people who are
- 1:01:14behind bars or behind bars because they
- 1:01:15committed a violent crime against
- 1:01:16somebody else and often the black people
- 1:01:18who are behind bars committed to
- 1:01:19violence crime against another black
- 1:01:21person uh well when I'm talking about
- 1:01:23mass incarceration I'm not talking about
- 1:01:24violent crimes I'm talking about
- 1:01:25non-violent crimes particularly the War
- 1:01:27on Drugs I was very clear I I I agree I
- 1:01:30agree I agree with you that that I
- 1:01:32believe that the drug problem should be
- 1:01:34dealt with as a health problem rather
- 1:01:35than a criminal justice problem but most
- 1:01:36people are not behind bars for using
- 1:01:38drugs or for dealing drugs they're
- 1:01:40behind bars for having committed a
- 1:01:41violent act against another person sure
- 1:01:43but that wasn't what I was talking about
- 1:01:44I was very clear when I talked about Joe
- 1:01:45Biden writing the crime Bill and mass
- 1:01:47incarceration when we're on drugs to
- 1:01:49non-violent offenders so that's a
- 1:01:51different conversation you're weaving
- 1:01:52the two together so we just just have a
- 1:01:55disagreement on institutions versus race
- 1:01:57relations and that's okay well well in
- 1:01:59order for you to go go to jail you have
- 1:02:01to commit a crime if you walk down the
- 1:02:02street not always when you're black in
- 1:02:05America
- 1:02:05well where are the class action lawsuits
- 1:02:07Charlemagne we have all these black
- 1:02:08lawyers many black people have gone to
- 1:02:11law school where are the class action
- 1:02:13lawsuits uh claiming that a bunch of
- 1:02:15people are behind bars illegally
- 1:02:17wrongfully where are they so you think
- 1:02:19everybody that's behind I didn't say
- 1:02:20that I didn't say that why don't you
- 1:02:22answer my question where are the class
- 1:02:23action lawsuits oh you gotta need money
- 1:02:25to do classes you have you have you've
- 1:02:27had a you've had a black Attorney
- 1:02:28General Eric Holder or you had
- 1:02:30back-to-back black Attorneys General
- 1:02:31Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch why didn't
- 1:02:33they release a whole bunch of people who
- 1:02:36are illegally Behind Bars why didn't
- 1:02:37they do that yeah
- 1:02:39I criticized them as well one on record
- 1:02:41because actually you're right uh he lied
- 1:02:43and said that he was going to fix the
- 1:02:44crack cocaine disparaging so I went on
- 1:02:46record you're right and guess what guess
- 1:02:48what he works for the system so he's
- 1:02:50just a black face that works for the
- 1:02:51system at the time so again we just
- 1:02:53disagree on systems and institutions
- 1:02:55versus Black Faces in high places well
- 1:02:57the disparity has been has been
- 1:02:58rectified uh now you go to jail for
- 1:03:00dealing powder as you do as you do for
- 1:03:03dealing crack and at one time there was
- 1:03:04a distance
- 1:03:05ratio is not the same
- 1:03:07well because the dealers are not the
- 1:03:09same uh for example there are more white
- 1:03:11people behind bars for drunk driving
- 1:03:13than or black people there are certain
- 1:03:14categories
- 1:03:17depend on it depends on the drug more
- 1:03:19whites are behind bars for meth than
- 1:03:21than uh than blacks going all over the
- 1:03:22place sir we were talking about it's
- 1:03:24very clear you said drugs depends on the
- 1:03:25category of drugs it depends on the
- 1:03:27category of drugs more whites are
- 1:03:28involved in meth and blacks I gave you
- 1:03:30the category that I wanted to talk about
- 1:03:31and you start talking about drugs all
- 1:03:33over the place
- 1:03:34okay more blacks are involved in crack
- 1:03:36cocaine more whites were involved in
- 1:03:38powder more whites were involved in mesk
- 1:03:40than blacks depends on the category of
- 1:03:43the of the drug you're talking about and
- 1:03:44I was talking about a very clear
- 1:03:45category and I gave you I I told you
- 1:03:47where I just criticized the black man
- 1:03:48who was in charge and you skipped over
- 1:03:50that and went right to talking about
- 1:03:52drunk driving so again so sir we I have
- 1:03:55no problem with criticizing black
- 1:03:56Democrats we we do that Charlemagne does
- 1:03:58that all the time it's just the
- 1:04:00imbalance of understanding that even
- 1:04:01Black Faces in high places even
- 1:04:03including yours and Democrats
- 1:04:05Republicans just being fair across the
- 1:04:07board that's all well that that to me
- 1:04:10that to me basically is no different
- 1:04:11than what Joe Biden just did with
- 1:04:13Charlemagne which is to tell me as a
- 1:04:14black person I got to think a certain
- 1:04:16kind of way otherwise I'm not I didn't
- 1:04:17like and I didn't like that either well
- 1:04:18you just did I didn't like that either
- 1:04:19you just did I didn't call me a black
- 1:04:21face as if I'm supposed to think a
- 1:04:22certain kind of ways I said faced in
- 1:04:24high places I said they're everywhere
- 1:04:25you're a black face you're in a high
- 1:04:27place you're running for president of
- 1:04:28the United States that's a high place
- 1:04:29you are a black face correct I said so
- 1:04:31there's black face in high and high
- 1:04:33places on both sides so it's just about
- 1:04:34being fair for me on both sides I've
- 1:04:37mentioned I agree with that I agree with
- 1:04:39that yeah I mentioned several Democrats
- 1:04:41that have a problem with several several
- 1:04:42several including Joe Biden so you don't
- 1:04:44have to sell us on that we get that I
- 1:04:47saw that's all and black conservatives
- 1:04:49agree with a lot of your message Mr
- 1:04:51Elder but when you're when you're not
- 1:04:52balanced across the board it just kind
- 1:04:54of lands flat that's all who's um who's
- 1:04:56cocaine do you think it was in the white
- 1:04:57house since we're talking about drugs I
- 1:04:59have no idea all I know is that it seems
- 1:05:01to me it's to be scary that this that
- 1:05:03secret service has closed the
- 1:05:04investigation without identifying a
- 1:05:06suspect what other kind of stuff goes in
- 1:05:08and out of the of the White House
- 1:05:09without anybody knowing about it but I
- 1:05:11have no idea I just think it's bizarre
- 1:05:13that the investigation all of a sudden
- 1:05:14got closed that fast and you think
- 1:05:15criminal charges should be bought
- 1:05:16against President Biden right
- 1:05:18I think there certainly should be an
- 1:05:20investigation about the pay for play
- 1:05:21stuff that we're hearing the IRS
- 1:05:23whistleblowers are saying that the they
- 1:05:25were told to stand down in their
- 1:05:26investigation uh I think there's a
- 1:05:28double standard going on as I said
- 1:05:30earlier for example Donald Trump has
- 1:05:31been indicted for document possession
- 1:05:32there is a special counsel investigating
- 1:05:35uh Joe Biden for document possession but
- 1:05:37his Defenders are saying well Joe Biden
- 1:05:39unlike Donald Trump turned over the
- 1:05:40documents readily when they were found
- 1:05:42out to have them and if that's the case
- 1:05:44why is the investigation still taking so
- 1:05:45long
- 1:05:47um uh telemarket can support your
- 1:05:49campaign Larry elder.com I need one
- 1:05:51dollar from forty thousand individuals
- 1:05:52even if you want somebody else to talk
- 1:05:54about some of the issues that
- 1:05:55Charlamagne and I have been talking
- 1:05:56about the last several several minutes I
- 1:05:58can get them front and center so
- 1:06:00larryolder.com one dollar forty thousand
- 1:06:02individuals I will see you on August
- 1:06:0423rd in Milwaukee all right it's Larry
- 1:06:06Elder Mr Breakfast Club good morning
- 1:06:08wake that ass up in the morning The
- 1:06:11Breakfast Club
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