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0:00For me, it's this old world. It's an
0:01old version of ourselves that is
0:03crumbling away anyway. There is a whole
0:04other one that is renewing itself. For
0:06me, this new world, if we're going to
0:07call it that, is already here. It isn't
0:08going to arrive later. It is now, it is
0:10already here. Your fear can hold you
0:12stagnant for your whole life until the
0:13end of your days, that's fine. But here
0:15, we have free will, we can change that
0:17state of mind. You can, however, choose
0:19which world you want to be in. Do you
0:20choose love, fear, or do you simply do
0:22things full of love and can you only be
0:24in love and joy? I fall into truly
0:26phenomenal fatigue. I try to end my
0:28life, I quit my job, I change my circle
0:30of friends, and in the end, I have
0:32nothing left. And that's when the
0:33voices arrived. We are afraid to love
0:35ourselves completely. It's quite
0:36fascinating why humans are wired like
0:37that. As soon as you have to embrace
0:39your full light, your joy and
0:40everything, oh no, I shouldn't take up
0:41too much space. I start speaking this
0:43language and this person answers me in
0:44the same language and we both
0:45communicate. We don't know what we're
0:46saying mentally, but we communicated. I
0:55know it's annoying when creators ask
0:56you to subscribe, but since I started
0:57doing it, the channel started growing
0:5910 times faster. If you don't subscribe
1:01, YouTube probably won't show you the
1:02next episode. It's free, it takes 2
1:04seconds, so subscribe and I'm delighted
1:06to welcome Aurore Rogers to the show
1:07today. Aurore, thank you very much for
1:09being with us today.
1:10Well, thank you so much for inviting me
1:12, it's a pleasure.
1:15So, it's going well, I like to start
1:17simply and ask you what your life was
1:18like before mediumship entered your
1:20life. Wow! Uh,
1:23I'm talking about mediumship and we'll
1:25define you better later, but before you
1:26opened up to your spirituality and all
1:28these more subtle worlds.
1:30Well, listen, what was my life like
1:32before? I didn't know at all that any
1:34of this existed. It didn't even
1:36specifically interest me. I didn't know
1:39about the existence or the notion of
1:42the soul, incarnation, reincarnation,
1:44spirit. The living energy with which we
1:48can communicate in many ways was
1:50totally unknown to me. So I lived a
1:53very down-to-earth life. I was
1:56passionate about theater, it had
1:58nothing to do with it. But, on the
1:59other hand, I was looking for answers
2:01because I was suffering a lot. I had a
2:03rather complicated childhood and I was
2:05looking for answers to build myself, to
2:09change my mindset, to be—how should I
2:12say—more conquering in the face of
2:14life, because I was rather fearful and
2:17had difficulty loving life. And so, I
2:21looked for answers by reading books, by
2:24training in neuro-linguistic
2:25programming, NLP, coaching, but it was
2:28just to help me actually change my
2:30mindset. I was supported by a therapist
2:34and this therapist had different
2:36practices and it was thanks to that
2:38therapist that I started to discover
2:40that oh, we have a soul, oh, an
2:42intuition, oh, there are memories that
2:44we carry that are transgenerational and
2:46perhaps even more distant. Oh, wow, I
2:49see. And so I was doing hypnosis and
2:51then it became regressive hypnosis, and
2:53all of that was for therapeutic
2:54purposes. But not only did it heal me
2:56on my path and help me rediscover the
2:58taste for life, it also showed me this
3:00other world. And my intuition was
3:02already present, but I didn't
3:03necessarily listen to it. And
3:05mediumship even less so, I don't even
3:07know if I had it from birth. I assume
3:09so, but I have no proof. And so it was
3:13later, at 28, after a big emotional
3:16shock and the big burnout that many
3:18people have often experienced. I feel
3:22like it's part of a generation where we
3:25need to hit rock bottom to, I don't
3:28know, wake up following complicated
3:30events. Uh, suddenly I heard voices, so
3:34I thought, "Hey, what is this delusion?
3:37" And mediumship appeared. It said to
3:40me, "Peek-a-boo, I'm here and I have
3:41plenty of things to tell you.""Aurore,
3:42do you want to come and listen?"
3:45I love it. But so, before this somewhat
3:48fateful moment, you had a classic life,
3:50a classic job. I mean, you were really
3:52just an average Joe, right?
3:53Yes, an average person. It wasn't at
3:55all part of my upbringing or my culture
3:58, and at that moment, around 25, I
4:00started to get a little interested in
4:02spirituality, well-being, and personal
4:04development. I discovered that world.
4:07So I said, "Hey, this makes me wonder,
4:08maybe I'll find some answers." But
4:10going from that to becoming a fortune
4:12teller? No, and I had never seen a
4:15medium or a psychic. I had dabbled in a
4:18bit of astrology, it had impressed me a
4:20lot. But otherwise no, it wasn't at all
4:22uh I didn't hang out with anyone in
4:25that circle. It wasn't part of my
4:26reality at all, not at all. I barely
4:28even knew it existed. Huh.
4:30Could you perhaps take us back to one
4:32of the moments where you experienced
4:34something that most challenged your
4:36vision of reality and your
4:37understanding of it? Wow.!
4:40There are so many. Uh, I think it
4:42started when I discovered the concept
4:45of the law of attraction, you know,
4:46that famous concept, power of intention
4:49, the law of attraction. I was reading
4:51a lot of books on it and I started
4:52experimenting, putting it into practice
4:54, and I was stunned to see how well it
4:56worked and how much I could influence
4:58my reality and manifest things. And
5:00that's when I said to myself, "OK, we
5:02can really be the creators of our
5:03reality. It's not just a concept, it's
5:05not just a catchphrase telling you, '
5:06Trust yourself and go live your life.'
5:08It's real, you can manifest miracles.
5:10And I was, I was fascinated, thinking,
5:12'But how does this work? This is crazy
5:14stuff.'" And so, I, I experimented with
5:18it daily. Uh, I read a huge number of
5:21books on it to understand how it worked
5:24, and indeed, uh, well, since that
5:26opening, everything I wish to
5:28experience manifests, and it fascinates
5:30me. I tell myself that we can really
5:33create any reality we want. And so for
5:35me, that was one of the first doors
5:37that opened.
5:38Huh, it's, it's quite funny. It's one
5:40of the subjects I wanted to explore
5:42with you a bit later in the discussion,
5:44and it's a topic I've explored
5:45relatively little on the podcast
5:46because I never quite know how to
5:48approach it, since the way it's often
5:49pitched and sold
5:51uh seems a bit simplistic to me, and I
5:53say to myself, "It can't work like that
5:54."
5:55Uh, and I wanted to break things down a
5:57bit for myself before being able to
5:59talk about it on the podcast. But
6:01anyway, I'm very happy to dig into this
6:03topic with you. How do you understand
6:06manifestation today and the law of
6:07attraction, and perhaps what is a
6:09misunderstanding that you observe quite
6:11often regarding these laws?
6:13Uh, well, for me, it's above all an
6:15internal work, and it's very much work
6:17on our beliefs, our limiting beliefs as
6:19well as our positive beliefs, above all
6:21, because people say, "Set an intention
6:23and wait for it to manifest." No, you
6:26have to take action. Uh, you can't just
6:28wait, pray, and expect it to happen.
6:30For me, it requires a huge amount of
6:33work on, uh, one's ability to permit
6:35oneself to live what one desires. You
6:38see, we often have prohibitions. "Oh, I
6:39can't do that, I'm not legitimate.""Oh
6:41no, I'll never make it, I'm too old.""
6:44No, anyway, I have no talent.""Oh, but
6:45I can't, because I have an unconscious
6:47family loyalty to Mom and Dad, and I
6:49can't surpass them and do that because
6:50I have to be loyal." And all those
6:52kinds of things are thoughts, beliefs
6:54we have that limit us and ultimately
6:57keep us from living what we truly want.
6:59And yet, we dream of experiencing
7:00something, we dream of doing that, but
7:02we unconsciously forbid ourselves from
7:03doing it. And for me, all the work is
7:06in observing all those limitations that
7:08hinder our ability to succeed. Because,
7:11since in my eyes everything is
7:12vibrational, if you vibrate "I want, I
7:14want, I want" but you vibrate "I'm not
7:16allowed, I'm not allowed, I'm not
7:18allowed," you will manifest the "I'm
7:19not allowed" because your frequency
7:21vibrates, your beliefs vibrate that.
7:23And so, you can try to tell yourself, "
7:25But yes, I made my vision board, I
7:27visualized, I pray every day, I set my
7:29intentions every morning, I act as if,"
7:32and nothing manifests. Yes, possibly
7:34because your frequency, your beliefs
7:36prevent you from manifesting things,
7:38and maybe the opportunities are right
7:39in front of you, but you don't even see
7:41them. Well, because you think you
7:43aren't enough, that you can't, and so
7:45on and so forth. And that internal work
7:48is extremely demanding, I find,
7:50fascinating, but it takes courage,
7:52strength, an ability to be totally
7:54lucid, to observe yourself, to say: "
7:56Wait, it's true I carry a belief that
7:58controls me," but you have to be super
8:01lucid to observe yourself, outsmart it,
8:03and deprogram it. And for me, it's a
8:07subject that fascinates me because,
8:08well, I spent a large part of my life
8:10understanding these unconscious
8:12programs that drive me in order to
8:13rewrite them and, as a result, manifest
8:15my dreams. And even today, you see,
8:18right now, I'm really into music, I
8:21want to sing, and it's waking up all my
8:23childhood beliefs within me. Be quiet,
8:26don't take up space, don't make any
8:28noise because when I was little,
8:29silence had to be king, you see. And so
8:31as soon as I sing, boom, I get all my
8:33neuroses, all my wounds, my dad telling
8:35me "Be quiet Aurore, you're taking up
8:37too much space, go to your room." And
8:39all of that comes back up and it starts
8:41to hinder my expression. So I'm working
8:44on telling myself "OK, I'm still
8:45forbidding myself from really singing
8:46even though I want to because I don't
8:48feel capable, because I don't sing in
8:49tune, because I shouldn't make too much
8:51noise." And all those things, well,
8:53they are still a bit inside me. And,
8:55every time I move forward with music,
8:57it deprograms a little wound, but, at
8:58the same time, sometimes I feel like
9:00I'm going backward, you see? And so, I
9:02move forward, I move back, I move
9:03forward, I move back, and I reprogram,
9:04and, actually, I am making progress.
9:06And for me, the law of attraction is
9:08that—it's moving forward and back,
9:09forward and back, because often we want
9:11many things but we aren't capable of
9:13receiving them. So there you go, I
9:15would say more or less that.
9:18They kind of sell us the law of
9:19attraction as something metaphysical,
9:21you know, that there's something in the
9:22fabric of the universe, that it's all
9:24energy, that everything resonates, that
9:25we attract what we vibrate, and so on.
9:27Yes.
9:28Do you understand it in that sense? Or,
9:31from what I understand, it's also a bit
9:33from a perhaps more psychological and
9:35neurological point of view, where, in
9:36fact, the brain has its belief systems,
9:38thoughts, well, beliefs influence
9:40thoughts, and these influence actions,
9:42more in the psychological sense of the
9:44term and...
9:46and so I'm trying to understand what
9:47the distinction is between the two.
9:49Well, for me, the two go together. For
9:51me, the two are just two ways of
9:52talking about the same thing. I think
9:54that indeed everything is energy and
9:55there is indeed a magma of information
9:57that resonates with what you vibrate
9:59and you can manifest miracles and that
10:01all of this is energy and that there is
10:02a great whole. You can call it many
10:04things on different levels. That's the
10:07very ethereal side, and how do we say
10:09it? What's the term for that? Anyway,
10:12let's just call it ethereal. But I also
10:15like to have the pragmatic side,
10:17because for me, our free will lies in
10:19that pragmatism towards ourselves,
10:21towards our actions, and towards
10:23what’s around us. Because you can't
10:26necessarily act on the environment, but
10:27you can act on yourself. And it's
10:29because you act on yourself that you
10:31then act on the environment. Take you,
10:34for example, let's say you wake up in
10:35the morning, you're in a bad mood,
10:37you're vibrating—let's imagine you're
10:39vibrating a brown color. Okay? So from
10:42an ethereal point of view, let's say
10:43your vibration is, well, you're
10:45vibrating brown. You'll have situations
10:47around you that have other frequencies,
10:49other colors. Yellow, pink coming
10:51toward you, and you're brown, brown,
10:53brown, and then the pink comes along
10:55all "la-di-da, hearts and unicorns,"
10:56and you won't even see it because
10:57you're like, "No, I'm brown." And it
11:00will clash, and you might not even
11:02receive the "la-di-da, hearts and
11:03unicorns" pink, you see, because it’s
11:05going to get all mixed up. The pink and
11:08the brown will make a not-so-pretty
11:09color, and it will influence both the
11:11outside and you. So from an ethereal
11:13point of view, the frequency isn't very
11:15aligned. So you don't see the "la-di-da
11:17" opportunity that's right in front of
11:18you. You see what I mean? So, you work
11:21on yourself another morning, and this
11:23time you're doing great, you're in a
11:25good mood, birds singing, you're
11:26vibrating pink. You go through your day
11:29, you encounter other energies: blue,
11:31yellow, green, and all that. You meet
11:33some "la-di-da" and you think, "Oh, I'm
11:35vibrating 'la-di-da' too." And so you
11:37laugh with that energy, and it
11:38nourishes it.
11:40And so the frequencies align, and it
11:42creates synchronicities, miracles, flow
11:44, you see? And so, with this slightly
11:48strange example, I'm trying to mix the
11:51ethereal side of color with simply your
11:54state of mind.
11:55When you're in a bad mood, you can't
11:57even respond to a smile. You're in a
11:58bad mood.
11:59But...
12:00But sometimes, a smile can change your
12:01state of mind because it reminds you, "
12:03Oh yeah, that's right, maybe I should
12:04calm down." And so you see, your your
12:07availability depends on your inner
12:10state. Hm
12:11hm.
12:11Do you see what I mean?
12:12So, when we say the inner creator state
12:14creates your reality. Exactly.
12:17It's not so much that the objective
12:19reality as it is in the universe
12:21changes, but rather your way of
12:23understanding, perceiving, feeling, and
12:25experiencing that reality will change.
12:28Exactly. Your reality only depends on
12:31what you tell yourself in your head,
12:33how you live it, and your emotions. I
12:35think we are each in our own reality
12:37and no one is in the same one.
12:39That's something people don't
12:40necessarily like to hear because it
12:42places us at the center and makes us
12:44incredibly responsible. Personally, I
12:46think it's great because it means you
12:47are the master of your fate, so to
12:49speak.
12:50Um, but it is true that when we've
12:51gotten into the habit of playing the
12:53victim role a bit and saying, "No, it's
12:55not me, it's the circumstances around
12:57me, I didn't do anything to invite all
12:58this." But actually, getting a little
13:01kick in the pants that tells us, "Well
13:02no, you can choose to step out of that
13:04pattern," that can sometimes be painful
13:05to hear.
13:06And yes, that, yes, yes, it's much more
13:08comfortable to stay in a somewhat
13:09limiting belief. "Oh well no, it's not
13:11my fault, it's everyone else's fault."
13:12Yes, well of course.
13:15I'd like for us to dive back into that
13:17moment where you—to change the
13:19subject a little—that moment where
13:21you heard voices for the first time.
13:23Could you take us back to that moment?
13:25How did you experience it? How did you
13:26feel about it? Um
13:28yeah,
13:28there you go.
13:29Well, I experienced it in a rather
13:31paradoxical way. There was a part of me
13:34that knew exactly what was happening
13:35and another that was completely amazed,
13:37skeptical. Like, what is this madness?
13:40What is going on? And in fact, I
13:43received a message for a friend who was
13:44having major problems in her life and
13:46suddenly, I felt the need to write down
13:48what I was feeling. But it was it was
13:51stronger than me, you know. It was
13:52really like I have to write. Well, and
13:55in fact, I wrote three pages or more
13:58about a family history I had no
14:00knowledge of, which concerned a
14:02specific friend. And the moment I do it
14:05, there’s a part of me that knows
14:06exactly why I'm writing this and
14:08understands everything that is written.
14:11And then there’s the other part that
14:12goes, "I don't understand anything at
14:13all of what’s written.""What is this?
14:14This is fascinating." So I call my
14:16friend, I say, "What are you doing
14:17tomorrow? Come over for a coffee." She
14:19comes to my place and I read her what I
14:21channeled, and she bursts into tears.
14:23And she tells me, "But it’s crazy
14:25because I was told I was going to
14:26receive a message from my guides." And
14:27she says, "But this is a message,
14:28literally.""There are four pages
14:30written down.""And how do you know this
14:32?""Is it a family secret?""Yes, my
14:33mother is like this, yes, I am like
14:34that." No, no. So, I didn't know that
14:36information. And the moment she—I see
14:40that it resonates with her so strongly,
14:42well, I'm like, "But this is
14:44extraordinary, what—how is this
14:46possible?""It’s fascinating." And at
14:49the same time, the "Yeah, I know
14:50what’s happening." And so for 9
14:53months, starting from that day, I
14:55explored this space within me. Meaning
14:58I told myself, "OK, something
14:59fascinating happened here, uh, I'm
15:01going to understand how it works,
15:02what’s the user manual, actually?"
15:05And so I thought, maybe if I ask
15:07another question, maybe I’ll hear an
15:09answer, since it came a bit like that
15:11last time. But maybe if I focus, I’ll
15:13hear voices again. And at first, I
15:15heard nothing at all. I needed more
15:18than an hour of meditation and inner
15:21silence to hear anything, you see. And
15:24by practicing, I ended up hearing the
15:26voices faster and faster. And indeed,
15:29uh, when I asked a question, I would
15:31hear an answer. But actually, the
15:34practice, what took me time, was
15:36understanding this space where I have
15:38no more thoughts. I’m almost no
15:41longer there, and I’m just listening
15:43to a field of information that comes
15:45from I don't know where. And for that,
15:47it requires really withdrawing
15:49completely. It’s not me who will have
15:50the answers. I don't know what is going
15:51to be said. I might not even agree with
15:53what is being said. And so I really
15:55have to be absent. And so that’s why
15:58meditation helped me enormously to be
15:59in this quality of presence, of
16:01listening, and to pick up on what we
16:02were saying before, it was a certain
16:04vibrational state that will resonate
16:05with the vibration of this information
16:07that I will finally be able to hear.
16:09But as long as I am in my actions, my
16:11mind, my thoughts, the little character
16:13of Aurore, I don't have access to this
16:15field of information. I really have to
16:17make space and have the feeling of
16:19rising in frequency. Well, it's a
16:21feeling, it might not be true at all,
16:22but it's an altered state of
16:23consciousness, you know. And so there
16:25you go, for 9 months, I practiced,
16:27practiced, practiced, practiced,
16:29practiced every day, every day, every
16:31day, until it became much more
16:32instantaneous, until I understood the
16:34inner posture, heard the voices clearly
16:36, and channeled without interfering,
16:38trying not to change a word. Inevitably
16:40, it passes through my filter, so it's
16:42still my words. But there are times,
16:43it's words I don't know and then
16:44sometimes, I absolutely don't agree
16:46with what the guidance says. Even on my
16:48YouTube channel, there are guidances
16:49that I release. I'm like, "Oh really,
16:50that's the point of view? Oh yeah, well
16:51I'm not there myself. But okay." And I
16:53repeat it, and when I see the impact
16:54and that it inspires, I say to myself,
16:56"Well, the information got through, it
16:58fascinates me, I have a blast doing
16:59this, go ahead, broadcast it, and
17:01everyone does what they want with it."
17:02You see? So I take this as a big
17:04playground
17:05but one that is very demanding. And
17:06there are codes too. You can't joke
17:08about everything with this. In the
17:10spirit world, there is also, well, how
17:12could I put it, a respect. You can't
17:15just do anything and everything in my
17:16eyes. H
17:19At the beginning, you talked a little
17:21bit about this notion, but how
17:22difficult was it for you to make the
17:24distinction between what came, what is
17:26actually an intuition, an inspiration,
17:27something you were reaching for, or
17:29something that was the mind coming in
17:31to construct it? At the beginning, did
17:33you perhaps have a bit of both
17:34intermingling, where there was a part
17:35of intuition and then afterward a part
17:37of the mind? How did you manage to
17:39distinguish between the two and build
17:41that muscle of, "Okay, I know this
17:43isn't coming from me"? Well, first of
17:46all, because I was always surprised by
17:47the information that came through, and
17:48it wouldn't have been what I would have
17:50said at all initially. And I often
17:53asked questions of people I don't know,
17:55whose lives and histories I know
17:57nothing about, and I practiced with
17:58many strangers precisely to avoid any
18:00interference. And every time I had
18:03information, these strangers would tell
18:04me, "Yes, actually, I live there. Yes,
18:06actually, I have three children. Yes,
18:07actually, I live in the mountains."
18:09Well, anyway. And so all the evidence
18:10showed me that, okay, I’m picking it
18:12up correctly; people confirm it
18:13afterward even though I don't know them
18:15. At one point, I asked on Facebook, I
18:18said, "Look, I want to practice, it's
18:20free, send me your name and a question.
18:22" And I got, I don't know how many
18:25requests, about a hundred or a little
18:26less. Well, anyway, at least 50 people
18:28who, in one night, sent me a name and a
18:31question. And I thought, "Okay, well,
18:33this is great practice." And so, how
18:35could I know that Bernard lives near a
18:38field with two sheep, has three
18:39children, and his mother is next to him
18:42? I can't guess that, and yet I was
18:43picking it up or could say, "Right now
18:45you feel that your problem is this one,
18:47you're asking yourself questions, you
18:49want to move." No, isn't that it? "Yes,
18:51actually, right now I'm having
18:51financial problems. I'm wondering if I
18:53should move." Oh, really? And so that
18:54proved to me it wasn't coming from me,
18:57since I had no information. And by
18:59experimenting with it, I understood how
19:00it happened within me. What is the
19:02feeling that makes me sense the energy
19:04is coming from the outside? The
19:05information is coming from the outside.
19:06The voice I hear is not my own. And
19:09then, after a while, the flow of speech
19:11that comes through isn't even me
19:12anymore. And sometimes, they are even
19:15words I don't know. So, there you go,
19:17if I do a guidance session for myself,
19:19for example, it's more complicated
19:21because I have too many emotions, too
19:22much attachment; it concerns me. So,
19:25I'm always a bit...I often manage to do
19:27it anyway, even today, but I still have
19:29that doubt: "Oh, but this is for me,
19:30maybe I'm influencing myself, so I'm
19:32not 100%sure when it's for me." But
19:34when it's for others,
19:36I put myself in a position where, in a
19:38way, I don't care about the answer.
19:39Whatever comes, it doesn't belong to me
19:42, I don't care. It's a way for me to
19:45step back, you see. Of course, I am
19:47concerned by the answer, but it's a
19:49stance of "Okay, I'm not in charge."
19:52What was the most difficult thing about
19:54having that spiritual openness and
19:56learning that voice? Uh, the most
20:01difficult part, I'd say, was the
20:03periods of life I lived through before,
20:05where I had a sort of...it's quite
20:08funny in the sense that I started
20:10setting the intention: "I'm letting my
20:12soul take the wheel," because I wanted
20:14to connect to that intuitive part of
20:17myself, which I called my soul, which
20:19for me is connected to something bigger
20:21that has information that I, Aurore,
20:24with my mind, don't have. That's my
20:27belief. And so, I started telling
20:29myself: "Hey, I'm letting my soul take
20:30the wheel." I'm letting my soul take
20:31the wheel. And so, I started
20:32manifesting it with everything we've
20:33talked about since the beginning, you
20:35know, changing my mindset and all. And
20:36from the moment I did that, my life
20:38started to be a living hell because
20:40everything was falling apart. And in
20:43hindsight, I understood: my soul was
20:44taking the wheel, saying, "Well, if you
20:45want me to take the wheel, Aurore,
20:47you're going to have to: one, listen to
20:48yourself; two, respect yourself; three,
20:50change your circle; then, quit that
20:51useless job that doesn't fulfill you,
20:52and start listening to yourself because
20:54right now, you're not listening at all.
20:55""You're in a state of impossible
20:57self-destruction.""We're going to have
20:59to reconfigure all of that." And in
21:02fact, for 2 or 3 years, this
21:03reconfiguration, I wasn't living it
21:05consciously, you see. It's just that I
21:08saw everything falling apart. Nothing
21:10was working, nothing was fluid. It was
21:12hell until I fell into a truly
21:14phenomenal state of exhaustion. And so
21:17I ended up losing everything in my life
21:19somehow, you see. I tried to end my
21:21life, I quit my job, I changed my
21:23circle of friends, and in the end, I
21:25had nothing left. I wasn't on the
21:27street, because I had some savings, but
21:29I was really starting from zero. And at
21:31that moment, well, I had nothing left
21:32to lose. Anyway, I had lost all faith.
21:34So I had already lost everything, if
21:35you will. And that's when the voices
21:37arrived. And in fact, those voices
21:39helped me get back on my feet. And
21:41since I had nothing left to lose, after
21:42a year, I told myself, maybe this can
21:44help people. If I share this, maybe it
21:46can do some good. It did me good; maybe
21:48it can help at least one person. I
21:50started sharing it, I saw it worked,
21:51and since I had nothing left to lose, I
21:53was like, "Well, you know what? Go
21:55ahead, I don't care what others think.
21:56Come on, I'm launching my videos." And
21:58the guidance told me, "Do YouTube." I
22:00said, "Oh no, no, YouTube is a lion's
22:02den, there are too many people." No, no
22:03, a small Facebook group is fine, I'm
22:04hidden and everything. Do YouTube, and
22:06it insisted, and it insisted, and after
22:096 or 8 months, I finally said: "Okay,
22:11I'm launching on YouTube." And indeed,
22:14everything changed then, and that's
22:15when I saw how reliable and accurate my
22:17guidance was, and how abundance could
22:19arrive because I was listening to what
22:21my guides were telling me and not the
22:23limits of Aurore, who is scared, who
22:25doesn't feel legitimate, who doesn't
22:27want to be seen, blah blah, you see.
22:29And so it was still about, am I capable
22:31of accepting this abundance? And in
22:34fact, from the moment I did that, I
22:35always followed my guidance which has
22:37always been ahead of me, which has
22:39asked me to transcend many fears even
22:40today, and every time I do it, I think,
22:42"Damn, that was right." And it's the
22:45same for everyone, you know. I say this
22:47with Miguil, but it can be your
22:48intuition, when you have a calling from
22:50the heart, something that tells you, "
22:51Go left," you don't know why, and then
22:53afterwards you see, "Oh damn, yeah, I
22:54did the right thing." And so there it
22:58is, the difficult period for me was
23:00before mediumship, and afterwards I
23:01started to breathe again, everything
23:03rebuilt itself, and now everything is
23:05fine.
23:06A quick side note before we continue.
23:08I've been subscribed to Gaia for two
23:09years now. YouTube is great, it's my
23:12go-to platform, but you often end up
23:13having to watch hours and hours of
23:14interviews to find the answer you're
23:16looking for. Gaia, unlike YouTube, is
23:18organized into series and episodes,
23:19really functioning as a coherent whole,
23:21which allows you to get straight to the
23:22point and save a huge amount of time.
23:24I'm showing you on the screen the
23:25series that had the biggest impact on
23:27my own journey and that, incidentally,
23:29inspired this podcast. I'm super happy,
23:31I sent them a little email and they
23:32agreed to become a partner of the
23:33channel. So if you're intrigued, you
23:35have one week to discover Gaia for free
23:37via the link in the description. You
23:39can always watch a season on the topic
23:40that speaks to you most and then cancel
23:42. To be honest, that's what I did. Then
23:44I ended up resubscribing. But anyway,
23:46in any case, I recommend you go check
23:47it out, take a look. It's really
23:48extremely interesting. Come on, let's
23:50get back to it. I think what you're
23:51saying resonates with quite a few
23:53people watching us today, this aspect
23:55of deconstructing what is, and perhaps
23:57this fear of what is to come.
24:00What do you generally say to people who
24:02are a bit in this in-between, where
24:04what I have is falling apart, I don't
24:05know what's coming next, and I don't
24:07feel or I don't know if what's coming
24:09next will be better. Yeah, well, I
24:12understand that feeling. Indeed, we
24:14have no idea, but I think it will
24:16depend on what we actually do with all
24:19these deconstructions. Once again, we
24:21are responsible, we are the captain of
24:23our life, of our reality, of the
24:24quality of life we choose to offer
24:25ourselves or not. And it's about being
24:29truly lucid about how we sometimes
24:31inflict things upon ourselves that lack
24:33generosity or abundance because we lack
24:35generosity and abundance towards
24:37ourselves. And I think it's a journey
24:39to learn how to love yourself more. If
24:41you love yourself more, you will offer
24:43more, you will give more, you will
24:44receive more, simply because you love
24:46yourself more. And so, all the places
24:49where we don't love ourselves enough,
24:51life comes to show us. When something
24:53collapses, it's often to make room for
24:55something else. Although we never quite
24:57know what. So every time, you have to
24:59leap into the void; it's exhausting,
25:00and yet, we have no choice because life
25:02takes away what was holding us up. So
25:04we have nothing to lose. But this void
25:06comes to reveal a void within ourselves
25:08, and for me, that contributes to the
25:10elevation of consciousness. We are all
25:13being slightly modified, reconfigured,
25:15evolving, called to something—we
25:17don't quite know what—but we can't do
25:19otherwise because, at some point, it no
25:21longer resonates within us. Or else
25:23life ensures it stops if we don't do it
25:25ourselves. And there is something that
25:27fades away. For me, it is this old
25:29world. It's an old version of ourselves
25:31that is crumbling away regardless.
25:33There is a completely different one
25:34that is renewing itself. But for it to
25:36renew, it requires us to come to a
25:38space within ourselves where there is
25:41much more love, more faith, more
25:43generosity. And I think we must move
25:46forward one small step at a time, not
25:49go too fast, and observe all these
25:52fears we have. How long are we going to
25:54let them manipulate us? Actually, at
25:55some point, it's enough. Yes, you have
25:56a fear. Well, do something about that
25:58fear, really. Get off your ass, you
25:59know? Because your fear can keep you
26:01stagnant your whole life until your
26:03final days. That's fine. It's there,
26:05and it can take control. But we have
26:07free will; we can change that state of
26:09mind. It’s tiring, it’s demanding,
26:11it’s difficult—it’s certainly not
26:13easy—but if we do nothing, nothing
26:16will happen. So we are obligated to
26:19move, to question ourselves. And I
26:22believe, at least in my experience,
26:24when I see people walk that path, it is
26:26always better. In any case, it can't be
26:28worse than being in nothingness.
26:29There's nothing left, I'm a victim. Oh
26:31my god, grumpy me, I have my little
26:32fears. Blah blah. Yes. Victim, victim,
26:34victim. Well, nothing is going to
26:36happen if you stay in that. But as soon
26:38as people start doing it, boom, life
26:40responds. Oh, you love yourself a
26:42little more? Oh, you want a little more
26:43joy? You want a little more abundance?
26:44Oh well, great. I'll give you some. And
26:46every time, it's "Yes, but I'm a little
26:47afraid of...""Yes, that's normal." Well
26:48, change yourself a little. Come on,
26:49love yourself a little more. Oh yes,
26:50but then I have to heal my fear of dad,
26:52mom, my childhood, that sort of thing.
26:53Yes, absolutely. Yes, always the same
26:55subject. Yes, well yes. Always those
26:56little beliefs and yes and yes, the
26:57wounds of the soul. Well yes, well work
26:59on it and all that process that we know
27:01by heart when we're into personal
27:03development, spirituality, it's always
27:04a bit the same thing. Hm.
27:06hm.
27:07But I also think that here we are
27:08starting to reach other spheres. But
27:09that's another subject.
27:12You mentioned your guides a few times.
27:13What is your understanding today of who
27:15these guides are and what are you
27:17connecting to? I have no idea. I don't
27:21necessarily seek to understand exactly
27:23and to personify all of that. I could
27:26believe that it's just a magma of
27:27information. I could believe that there
27:29really are entities. I could believe
27:31that there are different strata between
27:33the departed, the guides, the
27:34archangels, the source. But all that in
27:37the end, uh, I don't need to understand
27:40exactly what it is and how it works
27:42because I love the wonder of telling
27:44myself I don't know what it is, it's a
27:46mystery and I love that mystery. All I
27:49know is that I connect with the heart
27:51to what I call the source, but the
27:54source answers me in many ways with
27:56different frequencies, different
27:58energies, different messages. And
28:00sometimes I can perceive and I say to
28:02myself, "hey, yeah that's so-and-so,"
28:04you see at one point, I heard it was
28:06Metatron. I said OK, it's Archangel
28:07Metatron and I recognized his frequency
28:09, his energy. Particular posture, I say
28:11OK, when I talk to the departed, it's a
28:13completely different energy. Once, I
28:15felt the Virgin Mary and it's
28:17unverifiable. It's just that I heard
28:19Virgin Mary and then I felt an
28:20incredible love. I'm like, oh wow, ok,
28:22if it's her. Wow, it's extraordinary,
28:24you see, but it's unverifiable.
28:26Sometimes I hear some galactic stuff,
28:28um, sounds like Arcturians. Um, I saw
28:31this blue extraterrestrial character,
28:33and it said, "We don't show ourselves
28:35much because, truthfully, we’re a bit
28:37scary for your mindset." So, yeah,
28:39that’s basically the idea. I was
28:42dying of laughter and I’d see a blue
28:43flash every time, and I’d hear this
28:45really weird galactic stuff and I
28:47understood the language without
28:48mentally understanding it. And
28:50sometimes I channel this language, like
28:51, "Wow, what is this playground?" you
28:53know? And, and I don't, I don't have
28:55all the understanding. I get snippets
28:57of info, but I believe it in the moment
29:00I experience it. But, you know, it’s
29:03just my faith. Then some mornings,
29:05I’m like, "This is all nonsense."
29:07Screw it, I’m quitting spirituality.
29:08It’s all hot air, 3D stuff, come on,
29:10be a normal human, let’s get back to
29:12the real world because I’m sick of
29:13all this stuff, and then it starts up
29:15again. And I also, well, I don’t
29:17necessarily read everything, tons of
29:19things on it. I enjoy my experience, I
29:22have fun with it. As long as I feel
29:24it’s right and it feels good, I’ll
29:26continue. Uh, so there’s that. Also
29:28in small doses, I don’t want it
29:29taking up too much room in my life.
29:31I’m here to live my reality, my life
29:32as a woman. So, yeah, I try to find a
29:34balance in that. But
29:36yeah, I have snippets of sensations,
29:38but I couldn't tell you for sure
29:39that’s what it is, I have no idea.
29:41No.
29:42Do you feel an evolution in your
29:44perception of what’s on the other
29:45side? Was it at the beginning, as you
29:47said, just an energy you were
29:49connecting to, and now you’re able to
29:51perceive the subtleties better, the
29:52different frequencies, and so on?
29:54Yeah. And my mediumship also evolves a
29:57little each year. There are periods
29:59where it, it just stops. I don’t have
30:01access, then sometimes it comes back,
30:02and when I channel, I don't have the
30:04same experience. Uh, lately, you know,
30:07it’s funny, when I channel, I have
30:09far fewer physical sensations than
30:11before, where it’s like, before, the
30:14differences in entities, messages, and
30:17energies were very clear. Whereas today
30:19, it’s much more subtle, and I almost
30:21don't feel the difference anymore, and
30:23it’s not an issue; it’s just
30:24whatever comes, the language that comes
30:26, French, galactic, whatever, I don't
30:28care, I just let it flow through me.
30:30And here, I have more physical
30:31experience and it's less tiring for me
30:33as well. So I like it, but who knows,
30:35in two months I might tell you the
30:36opposite. I might say, "Oh, well, now
30:38I'm having a different experience, it's
30:39very variable, I don't control that." H
30:44You're talking about galactic language;
30:46the people who watch the podcast know.
30:48Basically, I'm more connected to the
30:50Anglo-Saxon world, and that's where I
30:51started my journey and so on. And then,
30:53it's when I reconnected with the
30:54French-speaking world that I realized
30:56there were still quite a few gaps on
30:58many subjects, and I said to myself: "
30:59Well, why not take part of the context
31:01I learned in the Anglo-Saxon world and
31:03bring it to France?"
31:04And, precisely, one of the subjects
31:06that is being mentioned more and more
31:08in the Anglo-Saxon world, but still
31:10relatively little in France, is
31:12everything that involves light language
31:14. That's what I thought of when you
31:17were talking about galactic language.
31:19How do you understand that idea
31:20yourself?
31:21Are they real languages that come from
31:23elsewhere that we channel? Or aren't
31:25they really languages as we understand
31:27language, but rather a way to encode
31:29pure energy, more of a frequency than a
31:31language? How do you understand all of
31:33that? Yeah. Well, from the little I
31:36understand so far, it's that indeed,
31:38light language, galactic language, the
31:40language—I don't know what to call it
31:41—from what I've gathered, it's a
31:43vibrational encoding. It's as if they
31:46were geometric shapes and those
31:48geometric shapes come to interfere with
31:50our frequency, our energy, our own
31:52geometric shapes the moment we hear it.
31:55So, in a way, it is a real language,
31:57but it doesn't have grammar like ours
32:00at all. And I think, well, I presuppose
32:04that the fact that we don't necessarily
32:06understand it mentally is also wise so
32:08that it doesn't go back into the mind.
32:10It's on other layers, at another level.
32:13Now, I believe there are people who
32:14understand it very well and can
32:15translate it for you just like they
32:16translate French, English, or German.
32:17You see, I find that fascinating.
32:19Personally, I don't know how to
32:19translate it. However, I know that when
32:21I channel it, it comes from a space in
32:23the heart. The person in front of me
32:25receives it, and often there are
32:27emotions, there's a reaction that
32:28happens. And one time, it happened to
32:30me, I was giving a shamanic healing to
32:32a person and so I start speaking this
32:34language, and this person responds to
32:35me in the same language and we both
32:37communicate. We don't know what we're
32:39saying mentally, but we communicated,
32:40it was super funny, she answers me the
32:43same way and everything, and it seemed
32:44perfectly normal to me. And then we
32:46came back from our trance, we laughed,
32:47she goes, "But did you understand?" I
32:49don't know, it was full of love. Yeah,
32:51me too, but no idea. And yet, I think
32:54our souls understood. I think the
32:56subconscious, it picks up on something.
32:57I don't know, it's fascinating. Me, I I
33:00don't know much. I haven't looked into
33:01the subject. I haven't listened to
33:03other people talk about it or, you know
33:04. but from my own experience. For me,
33:06it's a sort of encoding and I think
33:08it's necessary that we don't
33:09necessarily understand it either
33:10because at some point you also have to
33:12let go of the head and the mind.
33:13Hm. What you were mentioning, the
33:16contrast between your normal, everyday
33:183D world and then your universes that
33:20are a bit more, a bit more "out there,"
33:22and the tension perhaps between the two
33:23and the fact that you were switching
33:25from one to the other. It's quite funny
33:27because, well, at my level, I don't
33:28have that kind of experience. Like, my,
33:30in my opinion, less "out there," it's
33:32perhaps a bit less "out there," but
33:33it's true that I, I, I find myself a
33:35bit in that, in the sense that,
33:36sometimes, I have a conversation with
33:38someone and, at the end of an episode,
33:40I tell myself, wait...all of a sudden,
33:41I realize it like that, and I say to
33:43myself, but it's still, it's, it's
33:45become my reality. And I have a whole
33:47coherent conversation, you know, where
33:48I debate topics and. I, it's still
33:50crazy to what extent, well, the
33:52universe can have surprises for us,
33:54because it's, two years ago, I never in
33:56my life could have imagined. But it's
33:58true that sometimes I switch from one
34:00to the other; at the beginning it was a
34:02bit complicated because you feel a bit
34:03like you're becoming schizophrenic, you
34:05know, juggling between these two
34:07realities.
34:08uh and then I sort of latched onto that
34:10idea by telling myself, well, in fact,
34:12the fact of also staying with this very
34:13concrete side allows me maybe to be a
34:15better bridge for people who are still
34:16in this very
34:18if I had completely left this concrete
34:19world, well, I wouldn't be able to ask
34:21the questions that people are asking
34:22themselves. So that's why I managed to
34:24patch that up a bit, but it's true that
34:25it can feel a bit strange at the time
34:27and might give the impression of being
34:29schizophrenic.
34:30Yeah, yeah, totally. Sometimes I have
34:31that, and then other times I tell
34:32myself I can't talk about all these
34:33subjects anymore. I'm like, I'm sick of
34:35it, let's go have a beer. Let's do that
34:37, let's eat some chips. You know,
34:39something basic, because the chakras,
34:41the stuff, the energies, it's
34:42fascinating. But at the same time, you
34:45also know I think you need to be very,
34:47very grounded to be able to touch very
34:49ethereal spheres. I think it goes
34:51together and that it's, it's, you need
34:52to be, the more grounded you are, the
34:54further and higher you can go. I also
34:56see people who sometimes lack grounding
34:59and are completely lost in this
35:00ethereal cosmos and who, uh, almost do
35:02nothing with their lives anymore and
35:04are lost in it, and it's quite
35:06surprising to see. So, I think the, the
35:08balance points are important. In any
35:11case, I know that, there you go, the
35:12more grounded I am, the better I
35:14channel, you know. And when I'm not, I,
35:15I, I don't use the tool. I'm like, no,
35:17I'm not in the right state. But hey,
35:18those are just my beliefs, but
35:20I presuppose that it goes together
35:21anyway.
35:23What is one of the messages that comes
35:25up most often right now in your
35:26channeling and in the messages you
35:28guide
35:30for individuals and for the collective?
35:33Uh, there's really the notion of acting
35:35, moving forward, taking action, of, of
35:38shifting into higher gear. Uh, there's
35:41an aspect of, it's time to build this
35:44world that we all need, and that
35:45involves daring to overcome fears at
35:47times. Uh, and it's daring to give
35:51humanity or others or in your life your
35:53best, how could I put it, not the best,
35:55but your color, you know. You see, it's
35:59like a painting, we are each a point of
36:01color and this painting, it needs to
36:02have bright colors. And so, we are told
36:05, "Well go ahead, embrace your color,
36:07go do what really deeply animates you
36:10and stop hiding in your gray-black,
36:12give us some red, you see." And, and
36:15that often requires courage and
36:16strength because sometimes it makes us
36:18veer off the path we are used to living
36:20. It asks us once again to change our
36:22perceptions of ourselves, and well, we
36:24still have this fear of shining, you
36:25know. No matter what we do, there's
36:27always this fear of—it’s crazy,
36:29really. We are afraid to love ourselves
36:31completely. It’s quite fascinating
36:33why humans are wired like this. As soon
36:34as we have to embrace our full light,
36:36our joy, it's like, oh no, I shouldn't
36:37take up too much space or something.
36:39It’s—it’s fascinating, that. But
36:42guidance insists a lot on this, on the
36:44fact that, well, many things are
36:45collapsing, many things are stopping.
36:48Yes, the world around us isn't very
36:50pleasant to look at, but in a way, who
36:51cares? Take care of yourself, do what
36:55you have to do, put joy into your
36:56projects, pursue the projects that have
36:57been close to your heart for so long.
36:59They've been sitting in drawers for so
37:00many years. If you have those desires,
37:02there's a reason for it. So, respond to
37:04those reasons because that is what your
37:06soul came here to do. And if you don't
37:07respond, well, it's a pity because
37:09there are plenty of people who need you
37:10. And needing you is sometimes just a
37:12quality of presence. It doesn't
37:14necessarily mean doing something
37:15extraordinary for millions of people.
37:16Not at all. Having good energy, a smile
37:19, being present for your family, that's
37:21extremely important. But are you truly
37:23present? And why do you have that
37:24desire? Why do you have that project
37:26you're always saying, "Oh, I'd love to
37:27do that"? There’s a reason. And
37:29actually, the further we go, the more
37:31it opens up, the more you discover new
37:33things about yourself and the world,
37:34and the more the new world reveals
37:36itself. Well, this new world is already
37:38here. But it contributes to—it’s a
37:40bit like the image of a flower. It's
37:43time for you to bloom and share your
37:44petals and your fragrance with us.
37:48I was talking about the Anglo-Saxon
37:51world. In the Anglo-Saxon world, there
37:53is a person named Darryl Anka who
37:55channels an entity named Bashar, who
37:57shares quite a bit on this concept of
37:59following your excitement and so on.
38:03And an idea that resonates—I wonder
38:04how much this aligns with what you
38:06think—is, let me try to put it well:
38:08there’s no such thing as a one-sided
38:10coin; there are always two sides to a
38:12coin, and so, if you have the desire to
38:14share something...
38:16it’s because there is necessarily
38:17someone on the other side waiting to
38:19receive it. And by not sharing it,
38:21you’re actually making the person who
38:24is waiting for what you have to share
38:26wait even longer. And
38:28and that if you didn't have, if you
38:30didn't have the impulse,
38:32if you have the impulse, it’s because
38:32there is someone there to receive it.
38:34Oh yeah, that’s a magnificent belief.
38:35I love that one, I had never heard it
38:37but I completely agree. And you know,
38:39when you look at your life and see
38:41everything that helped you move forward
38:42on your path, what is it? Who is it?
38:44Where does it come from? It’s the
38:46people around you. It’s the training
38:49you took, the discussions you had, the
38:51people you met, the books you read, and
38:53all that, thanks to whom? Well, to the
38:55people across from you who gave you
38:56that information, who shared that
38:57moment, who were there. And so it’s
38:59them who accompanied you because they
39:01were there and they were open to you,
39:03and vice versa. And so if we’re just
39:05hiding in our corner doing nothing,
39:07well, we don't contribute to the
39:09momentum, and above all, it stagnates
39:11for us too. So yeah, I love it.
39:14How do you understand synchronicities?
39:17It’s also, you see, within your law
39:19of manifestation, law of attraction,
39:20etc., and in the mix, there are also
39:22synchronicities where I also wonder
39:25how does that work?
39:27That’s a good question. I have more
39:29questions than answers about
39:30synchronicities. In any case, I find
39:32them fascinating every time they happen
39:33. But I do see that they arrive because
39:36I manifested them 6 months, 1 year, or
39:395 years ago, and each time they are
39:41resonances of things I asked for
39:43sometimes long before. I say to myself,
39:45"Ah, it's finally happening, it's a
39:47miracle." But it happens because, once
39:49again, I am capable of receiving them.
39:51I’ve had plenty of synchronicities
39:52show their faces that I didn't see. I
39:54tell myself, "Ah, does it take time?"
39:55Well yes, Aurore, you aren't able to
39:56receive them; you don't love yourself
39:58enough for that yet. Uh so, I think we
40:00still manifest them a lot. Then, I
40:03believe there are also things that are
40:04predestined. I have the feeling that we
40:06still have soul contracts, that there
40:08are things on our path that are more or
40:10less written that we can see as
40:12synchronicities and which we cannot
40:13necessarily escape. Uh, I have that
40:15feeling. So, I see a mix between, well,
40:17things written in advance and things
40:19that we also manifest. Uh,
40:22and how do you understand the balance
40:24between destiny, things that will
40:26necessarily happen to you, and still
40:28the need to take action? You see,
40:31typically, we sometimes talk about
40:32vehicles, well, awakening, you see, the
40:34fact that you woke up or the fact that
40:36I launched the podcast, etc., were
40:38those predetermined things? And if so,
40:41well, to what point do I really have to
40:42take action and make it happen? If it's
40:45going to happen anyway,
40:47well, it will only happen if you do it;
40:48you could have never done it. I could
40:50have never answered that call and said,
40:52"No, I'm not going to do YouTube," and
40:53I would have lived another life. I
40:55could have not answered the call. Would
40:57it have been fluid or not? Would my
40:59mediumship have expressed itself
41:00differently? Maybe I would have become
41:02an artist and I would have been a
41:03channel for something else, you see, I
41:05have no idea. Was it predestined? I
41:09don't have the answer to that. I think
41:11there are events in my life that were
41:13written, whether they were positive or
41:15negative events. I have the feeling
41:16that there were, how should I say,
41:18tipping points that were there. But I
41:21also think that from what the guides
41:22told me, it's that there is also the
41:24impact of the collective unconscious.
41:26Meaning that since there are a lot of
41:28people who are actually setting
41:29themselves in motion, who are awakening
41:31as they say, who are moving, well, this
41:33unconscious impacts us and so it
41:35changes our own unconscious. So it's
41:37not just us doing the work; there is
41:38also the collective that is releasing a
41:40lot of memory, and finally, this
41:41frequency comes to impact you and
41:43release your memories too. And so,
41:46there are many healings we receive that
41:47don't come from our own work, but that
41:49come from, well, from Bernard,
41:51Jean-Christelle, and Yvon, who did the
41:52work for you too, just as you did the
41:54work for them on other points, and we
41:56are truly interconnected. So I think
41:59the collective unconscious influences
42:01us. I think there are things that are
42:03destined, then it's a matter of whether
42:05we open the doors or not. There are
42:07moments, it's I don't know, I have the
42:10feeling we can't escape it. And then
42:12afterwards, there is indeed, uh, I
42:13think our free will...If for example
42:15you don't do the podcasts, maybe you
42:16would have started writing, maybe you
42:18would have done a blog, maybe you would
42:19have done something else or not, and
42:21you had your free will, and you might
42:23have a feeling of telling yourself: "
42:24But it's strange, I have the impression
42:26of being a little bit off the mark
42:27maybe, I don't know.""I have more
42:29questions than answers." There,
42:33you've been speaking since the
42:34beginning, you have mentioned a
42:35collective shift a few times. I observe
42:38around me, but indeed, I feel that
42:40there's a whole bunch of people who
42:41were very far from being interested in
42:43subjects like spirituality and so on
42:45who are starting to look into it, who
42:46we see an openness and so on. In
42:48parallel, I see more and more burnout
42:50around me despite my young age of 30,
42:51and yet even at 30, there are plenty of
42:53people who are burned out. Is that part
42:56of precisely this collective awakening
42:57you seem to be talking about, and could
42:59you help us better understand what is
43:01happening? Well, wait, repeat your
43:04question to me, is it regarding burnout
43:05or
43:07well, are burnouts and the opening to
43:09spirituality part of a generalized
43:11collective awakening and what is
43:13causing this awakening?
43:16Well, uh, there are several questions
43:17in your question. Indeed, surprisingly,
43:19burnout is still often connected, and
43:21given the number of people experiencing
43:22it, I have the impression that it's
43:24part of a generation. In any case, I am
43:26not certain that future generations
43:27will have to experience burnouts to, uh
43:29, to have an awakening. I don't think
43:31so. I dare to believe not. I feel like
43:34it's also the collapse of a belief
43:36system, of values, a way of operating
43:38that is blowing up in our faces,
43:39because the system we're in is
43:41collapsing anyway, and it's slowly
43:42rebuilding itself over...I don't know
43:44how long, but it takes time. But, yeah,
43:47it's happening. So I think what we are
43:49experiencing internally, the collective
43:51, the world is experiencing it too. Why
43:53are we having this collective awakening
43:54? The only answer I have is because the
43:57frequency is rising, but it has been
43:58rising since the dawn of time and it
44:00will just keep rising. So we have
44:01actually been in spiritual evolution
44:03since the dawn of time, and right now
44:05there is a shift because I don't know
44:06why, it's surely predestined. The Earth
44:09is moving, humanity is moving, and it
44:10is written that humanity must move at
44:12this time. Honestly, I have no idea. I
44:14haven't looked that far ahead. But uh,
44:18I think there is a quest for meaning,
44:20that the system we are in no longer
44:21suits many of us, that there is too
44:23much suffering, that we are tired of it
44:24, and that there is a notion of
44:26connection to unity, to the heart, to
44:27unconditional love that is starting to
44:32burst with the desire: when are we
44:33going to stop warring and killing each
44:35other? But first within ourselves. And
44:40will the world find unity? I feel like
44:43the Earth will always remain in a—
44:44well, the Earth has its own experience,
44:46but humanity will always remain in a
44:47dual world. I don't know if there will
44:50ever be an end to wars, but, on the
44:52other hand, I think we can find more
44:54and more unity within ourselves, and
44:56that it invites us to vibrate that love
44:58more and more, and therefore, it will
45:00necessarily have an impact in the
45:02centuries to come. But honestly, I have
45:05no idea. I'm so deep in it that I don't
45:06have the perspective. I'll tell you
45:07when I die. What?
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45:56A comment I see quite often is, "For
45:59years we've been promised a transition,
46:01a new earth, whatever you want to call
46:03it."
46:04Uh, and yet when I look around me, not
46:06only are things not improving, but I
46:07have the impression they are getting
46:09worse. How do you—first of all, do
46:11you get this kind of remark too? And if
46:13so, how do you generally respond? For
46:15me, the great, the new world there, if
46:17we’re going to call it that, it’s
46:18already here. It’s not going to
46:19arrive later. It’s now, it’s
46:21already here. There are plenty of
46:22things that are chaotic, but there are
46:23also plenty of magnificent things that
46:24are here. It depends on where you look,
46:26and I think there is as much—there is
46:27duality, I think there is as much light
46:29as there is shadow. And that, to me,
46:31hasn't changed since the dawn of time.
46:32I have the impression that that won't
46:34evolve, based on my beliefs. Uh, what
46:36you can choose, however, is which world
46:37you want to be in. What does that mean?
46:40What information are you looking at?
46:42What energy are you emitting every
46:43second? What are your daily choices?
46:45Are you choosing love, or fear? Are you
46:48choosing the "Oh my god, this state is
46:49chaotic and so I am vibrating chaos too
46:51," or are you simply doing things full
46:53of love and putting joy into it? Focus
46:55on that, and you will see that there
46:57will be love and joy, and you can be
46:58only in love and joy, and almost not
47:00even concern yourself with the other
47:01world anymore. You see, I'm
47:03exaggerating, but it's a bit like that.
47:05Meaning that as soon as our energy is
47:07in conflict, boom, we are in the other
47:09world, right? But the other world is
47:12just whatever state you are in, right
47:13here, right now. Are you in an energy
47:16of inspiration and joy? OK, you are in
47:18this new world. Oh no, I'm complaining
47:19about something. Poof, you are in the
47:21between-world. And for me, that's where
47:23it all plays out. Uh, and the more we
47:24master it within ourselves, the more it
47:26will necessarily manifest around us.
47:28And I find that there are also a huge
47:29number of things going very well. There
47:31are as many positive things as negative
47:32things in my eyes. I agree with you
47:36quite a bit, and it's true that for a
47:38long time, I struggled with this idea
47:40of inner state creating the reality we
47:42experience, and we mentioned it at the
47:43start of the episode. But it's true
47:46that it's the kind of thing where you
47:47have to experience it to realize just
47:49how well it works. And it's true that I
47:52tested saying: "OK, well, for a few
47:54weeks, I'm going to try to be
47:55hyper-attentive to my inner state, to
47:57the information I ingest, etc." And
47:59it's true that it feels like the world
48:01around us is changing. I don't think
48:03reality changes. I think it remains
48:04just as it is. But on the other hand,
48:06we will have a completely different
48:08experience. Have a completely different
48:10experience of it.
48:10Exactly.
48:11After that, one of the questions that
48:13sometimes comes up is: doesn't that
48:14feel a bit like burying your head in
48:16the sand, you know? To say "I'm putting
48:18my head in the sand, everything is fine
48:20, everything is great in my world," but
48:22at the same time the world, the real
48:23world so to speak, continues to be
48:25chaotic. I don't think you should bury
48:27your head in the sand. I think you just
48:28need to know what you are participating
48:30in each day. What are you building in
48:32the face of this world? If it is so
48:33chaotic, what are you doing to make it
48:35better? Do your part. Do your little
48:37hummingbird part. Just that alone is
48:39already huge. We aren't going to change
48:41the world overnight in one second. It
48:42doesn't rest on the shoulders of one
48:44person. It is the collective that will
48:45change. And so it starts with yourself
48:48first, impacting the people around you,
48:49and thus impacting your circle; then
48:51your circle will also impact you, and
48:53it ripples out, and after a while, well
48:54, all the drops in an ocean, and then
48:56the ocean changes color, you know. But
48:59it's what we do each day in the face of
49:00this? What choices do we make? If you
49:04spend your time saying "Oh my god, the
49:06world is doing badly and ugh, I'm
49:07falling back into bad vibes." Well,
49:09you're not going to change the world,
49:10are you? You're going to feed that
49:11negativity. So you are feeding the bad
49:13world. Do you see what I mean? And we
49:15do that many times throughout the day.
49:17We, oh shoot, I've, I've lost my train
49:18of thought again. Okay, I'm recentering
49:20. I'm putting action and choices back
49:23in. Uh
49:25For me, it's really the daily actions
49:27that make the difference. Uh, when you
49:30connect to the frequency, you know.
49:32Yeah,
49:32go ahead, go ahead, sorry.
49:33When you connect to these collectives,
49:35to this information, and so on, to
49:36these guides, does it ever happen that
49:38you perceive things about the future of
49:40an individual or a collective? And how
49:42do you understand this notion of
49:44predicting the future yourself?
49:45Uh, well, sometimes I see the future
49:48for individuals. When I used to do
49:50individual sessions, to me, it wasn't
49:52necessarily always written. Meaning,
49:54it's always a paradox. Was it written
49:56or not? And for me, it depends on what
49:59the person is vibrating when I deliver
50:00the message; they have a certain energy
50:02. They are on a timeline, let's say,
50:04based on who they are at that moment. I
50:07will channel what is happening within
50:08them at that very moment and sometimes
50:10I get flashes of, hey, in your future,
50:11there is possibly this, this, and this
50:12because right now, you are on those
50:14tracks. But the fact of hearing this
50:15info, maybe the person will say "Oh,
50:16but that doesn't suit me at all, I want
50:17to do something else, so I'm going to
50:19vibrate something else." And boom, they
50:20change tracks and then they will create
50:21a different future. And so that could
50:23call my guidance into question. Uh and
50:25then there are times when things are
50:27predestined and then well, you can try
50:29as hard as you want to change tracks,
50:30what happens happens, but I don't
50:32necessarily see the future. That's not
50:34what interests me, in any case, when I
50:35was doing individual sessions. It
50:36wasn't to see the future. I find that
50:38what matters is what is happening now
50:39and what you can act upon. So sometimes
50:41I have had flashes. Uh, I had a flash
50:44for Covid. I had made a video that I
50:48filmed in January and I saw Covid and
50:51the lockdown 2 months before. Well,
50:54there was nothing we could do, it was
50:55already there, actually. Was it really
50:57that far ahead? It was two months away,
50:59it was inevitable. So, I saw it. But
51:01beyond that, I don't necessarily have a
51:03vision for 2030 or 2040. Uh, that's not
51:06what I receive, and I feel like my
51:08mediumship doesn't put me in that place
51:10, that it's not my role, that my role
51:12is to bring people back to the present,
51:14to their responsibility for what we do
51:16now. So, but maybe that will change for
51:18now. That's it. We'll see. Listen, your
51:22way of, well, of handling the subject
51:24speaks to me quite a bit because that's
51:26also how I understand it on the podcast
51:29and I know it's a subject that
51:31interests people. What is going to
51:32happen in the future? Uh, but from
51:34personal experience, because I looked
51:36into it, or rather I was interested in
51:38these subjects for a while, I realized
51:40that pretty quickly it puts us in a
51:41passive stance of: "Well, if it's going
51:43to happen, it's written, so I don't
51:45have to do anything today."
51:46Yeah. Uh, and that's not a stance I
51:49want to promote on the podcast. Uh, so
51:52but then I do think there is an
51:54interesting side to thinking that, well
51:55, actually there are fields of
51:57possibilities, that we can choose our
51:58possibility, and that it's our inner
52:00vibrational state that will determine
52:02the trajectory. Uh
52:03totally.
52:04And it also helps to understand the
52:05structure of the universe a bit, that,
52:07well, ultimately linear time, when you
52:08understand it, maybe it only exists on
52:10our plane here. It's a nice exercise
52:13for the mind, but it's true that
52:14overall, it's always a bit of a
52:16slippery slope once you talk about the
52:17future.
52:18Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And indeed, for
52:21me, you have to keep your
52:22responsibility and then every day, in
52:23one second, you make a new choice, bam,
52:25you change your future. So for me, the
52:28future is actually right now. It
52:29depends on what you...I like to imagine
52:31train tracks, you see. What are the
52:33tracks I am manifesting right now with
52:35what I am vibrating, with what I decide
52:36, with what I do, with my thoughts?
52:39What kind of life path does that create
52:41? Ah, that doesn't suit me. Well, I'm
52:43going to change the tracks of my train,
52:44you see. And that's what amuses me. And
52:46sometimes, I take stock and I tell
52:47myself after 6 months, hey, yeah, I
52:48missed a bit here, and here, and there.
52:50Well, I'm going to create a train that
52:51will head over there, and there, and
52:52there. And uh, and that way, you
52:54redesign your life on a daily basis.
52:56You remain the captain on board. I mean
52:57, I think it's so important to be able
52:59to choose your life, you know.
53:03We've talked quite a bit about
53:04enthusiasm and what draws you and so on
53:06, about listening to that little inner
53:08voice. How do you generally advise
53:10people to manage to distinguish between
53:13what is intuition and what comes from
53:15the mind? Because I have a very
53:17concrete example, I have my sister
53:18there who is a little younger than me,
53:20she's trying to do theater, she's been
53:22rejected several times and so on, and
53:23she's at a bit of a turning point where
53:25she has to decide: should I continue
53:27theater or not? And actually, when
53:29you're in the thick of it and you have
53:30to make that decision, I tell her, "
53:32Well, listen to your intuition, what
53:33does your intuition tell you?" She says
53:35, "I don't know, it's my mind." And in
53:37fact, it's quite complicated to see
53:39what is really the little inner voice
53:41and what is the mind and the belief
53:43system, it's completely interrelated,
53:46and after a while, I'd want to say: "
53:48Who cares whether it's one or the other
53:50." Make your decision, you know, take
53:52action. And the moment you take action,
53:54you'll see if you're happy or not. So,
53:55maybe she'll tell herself: "I'm
53:56quitting theater," and then she'll say:
53:57"No, actually, I regret it." Well then,
53:58it's like saying: "You want to?""Well,
53:59start again," and she will perhaps know
54:01then.
54:03Maybe she'll continue, she'll hit more
54:04walls, doors will close, it won't be
54:05smooth, and if she still wants to, it's
54:07really a calling, you know. She says, "
54:09But actually, I'm hooked on this, I
54:10can't not do it." Well, then that means
54:12you want to. We could summarize it as
54:14that. Then, if we want to play with
54:16something a bit more subtle in the
54:17feeling, for me, intuition is always
54:19about expansion. It does, and then
54:21there’s the fear of "Oh, I don't know
54:23," but at first it’s "Oh yeah." While
54:25the mind is like, "So, I’m going to
54:27explain to you why it wouldn’t work."
54:28Because, you know. And there, it’s
54:29off for a long debate that will last
54:31you hours and will remind you for days
54:32and days. And it will speak so loudly
54:34that you won't hear your little voice
54:36anymore because it's talking to you,
54:37arguing, this and that, and it drains
54:39your energy, and it's like, blah blah
54:41blah, and it goes on and on. Intuition
54:42doesn't last. Intuition is, uh, do you
54:45want to keep going? There, it's already
54:46gone. If you were thinking about
54:47something else, you didn't even hear it
54:48. And for me, intuition is also
54:50physical. So what helps me tremendously
54:53is meditation, slowing down, going for
54:55a walk in nature, actually quieting the
54:57mind, all those practices. I love, you
55:00see, anything that helps me quiet the
55:01mind. It could be sports, it could be
55:03painting, it could be playing music,
55:05being in nature, or just having fun.
55:07All that allows me to say: "Shut up,
55:09little ego!" Right there. And so, I
55:11come back into my body, I return to the
55:14present, and it's in those moments that
55:16I can better hear my intuition. And as
55:18long as I personally am stressed and I
55:20don't know and I'm asking myself 10,001
55:21questions, you have the struggle,
55:23exactly like you said about your sister
55:24. And indeed, it's not clear. And so in
55:26those moments, it's either we manage to
55:28slow down and return to our center. And
55:30if we can't do it, then make a choice,
55:32take action. You'll see that after a
55:33few weeks, you'll quickly see if you
55:34made the right choice. You'll, you'll
55:36feel it right there. "Actually, I
55:37regret it, I really want to do theater.
55:38""I stopped for 3 months, I miss it."
55:40No problem. Make another decision. You
55:43don't have to have the right answer
55:44right away, you know. And sometimes, I
55:46find we are too demanding about "Is
55:47this my soul, is this my intuition?" Is
55:49it my ego? We are made of all that.
55:51Just act, you'll see, you don't have to
55:54make the right decision immediately.
55:56You can be wrong, it's not a big deal.
55:58And often in personal development,
55:59we're afraid of making mistakes. You
56:00have to be the best version of yourself
56:01and all that. Not your thing. You need
56:03to be aligned, chakras, all that stuff.
56:05Yeah, but come on, let yourself live a
56:07little too.
56:10Does that resonate with me? It
56:11resonates a lot. I'll show him the
56:12video, we'll see if it resonates with
56:14him too. Uh, we
56:16Oh yeah, wait, on the other hand, hold
56:18on, I just have an anecdote too, you
56:19see, just because it might help to make
56:20a choice. I'll give you a really simple
56:23example between vanilla ice cream and
56:24chocolate ice cream. Okay? You take one
56:27in each hand, you close your eyes, hop,
56:28you mix them up, you don't know which
56:29is in which hand, I'm going to take the
56:31one on the right. You'll know right
56:32away if you want to eat it or not. Well
56:35, it's the same for a choice. Do I stop
56:36or do I continue theater? Come on, you
56:38mix two pieces of paper, you mix them
56:39and the one I pick will be the decision
56:41. How you react in that moment, you'll
56:43know.
56:44Oh, great. Another topic perhaps that
56:50will speak to many people right now is,
56:52precisely, the side of professional
56:53realignment,
56:55something I hear a lot around me and
56:57that I understand. I was lucky enough
56:59to be quite flexible. I had money saved
57:01up, I had no children, I had my wife
57:03who was working. So I had a bit of a
57:05choice and the luck to be able to take
57:07that risk. That's not the case for
57:09everyone. There are people who have
57:10children, there are people who have
57:11obligations, rent to pay, and so on.
57:13What do you generally recommend to
57:15people who are in this situation who
57:17feel that, indeed, there's no longer
57:19any point in what they do today, no
57:22more meaning? There might or might not
57:24be something else calling them, but
57:25they tell themselves, "Okay, there's
57:26the material reality behind it, I have
57:28bills to pay."
57:29Yeah. Well, for me, I wouldn't
57:31personally have any advice because like
57:33you, I had no children, no obligations,
57:35nothing. So I was able to make my
57:38choices, and even then, it happened
57:39slowly. But I I don't necessarily have
57:44any advice. What I would say is,
57:45precisely, take the time to see what
57:47would actually make sense to you
57:49already. who was there, if you aren't
57:51happy where you are, what are the
57:52criteria that would make you happy? Is
57:54it really another job, or can you
57:55answer that need in a different way?
57:57Because sometimes we think it's about
57:59changing careers, when in the end it
58:01might just be changing how you spend
58:02your free time, or you know, I don't
58:04know, it's really about looking at
58:06what's bothering you inside. And then,
58:09frankly, I don't have the answer. It's
58:12about taking the time to ask yourself,
58:13"Well, if I had to do something else,
58:14what would I do?" How can I start
58:16looking into that right now? How can I
58:18perhaps start training for that? There
58:20are many people who say, "Okay, I'd
58:22like to start my own business with my
58:23new passions, but I'm afraid." Well, do
58:25your research on people who are already
58:28doing it, how they launched their
58:29projects, and how they found clients.
58:32And, really, don't necessarily jump
58:34into the void and put yourself in
58:35danger, because then it becomes an
58:37emergency and it's even more chaotic.
58:39But for me, there's no ready-made
58:41answer because we each have different
58:43values and different beliefs. Some
58:45people are actually effective when
58:46they're under pressure and stress.
58:47Others, on the contrary, work better in
58:49slowness and in comfort. It depends on
58:53how we operate. So I don't actually
58:56want to answer. I'm answering you now,
58:58but really I should just say I have no
58:59idea. Still, I'd like to share one
59:03point that resonates with me and that,
59:05in my opinion, remains good advice:
59:06there are a whole bunch of things you
59:08can do to de-risk things and allow that
59:10passion, that intuition, to prove to
59:12you that it can indeed meet your needs,
59:14and you don't have to take a leap of
59:16faith all at once. There are actually
59:18some intermediate solutions to make
59:21sure you feel more comfortable making
59:23that leap. Very concretely, for me, it
59:26was leaving my job at a tech company. I
59:30could have said I was quitting to
59:31launch the podcast, but in the end, I
59:33did two years of freelancing in the
59:34meantime.
59:35Which allowed me to have more free time
59:37to launch a side project that I
59:39couldn't have done when I was an
59:41employee. Uh, but at the same time, it
59:43gave me enough flexibility and comfort
59:44to tell myself, "Okay, well, it's okay
59:46if it doesn't work out right away." Uh
59:49So there you go, maybe try to see for
59:50yourself, okay, are there intermediate
59:52things I could do a few hours on the
59:54weekend, a few hours in the evening,
59:55maybe reduce my employee work hours a
59:57bit, etc., to de-risk the gamble. Yeah,
1:00:00completely. Maybe another one is. It's
1:00:04a subject that resonates a little less
1:00:05with me, but I know it probably
1:00:06resonates quite a bit with the people
1:00:08watching us, and I'm trying to really
1:00:09make it concrete. And I think there are
1:00:12a few decision points that people might
1:00:14be facing right now: there's perhaps
1:00:15work, perhaps also relationships. Uh,
1:00:19what would you recommend to someone who
1:00:20is in a relationship where you feel
1:00:22like something just isn't right,
1:00:23there's a misalignment, but you tell
1:00:25yourself, "Well, I don't want to be
1:00:26alone and I don't know if I'll find
1:00:28better.""And uh, there's a part of me
1:00:30that tells me maybe I'll manage to
1:00:32change the person, but another part of
1:00:33me that tells me I've been trying for a
1:00:35while and it's not working."
1:00:38Yes. Well first, I think you have to
1:00:39come back to yourself. You don't change
1:00:41others. You change yourself if you want
1:00:42to, but others, you have to leave them
1:00:44where they are. They will change if
1:00:45they want to. Uh, I think believing
1:00:47that you're going to change others is,
1:00:49it's a lost cause in my opinion. Uh,
1:00:51besides, do you necessarily have to
1:00:53leave everything again or not? It's a
1:00:55bit like a career. Uh, no, there might
1:00:57be subtleties to understand. What is it
1:00:59that makes it not work? What is it that
1:01:01makes it less smooth? At what level is
1:01:02it? Uh, is it, it's going to depend on
1:01:05each relationship, you see. Afterward,
1:01:08if a relationship isn't right, there
1:01:10are also, well, all the other
1:01:12relationships you can encounter in the
1:01:14meantime. Even if you stay with person
1:01:17X or Y who only moderately suits you,
1:01:19you can also look at other
1:01:20relationships, take your time, uh, and
1:01:23likewise, it's...you see what I mean?
1:01:25It's not about cutting ties completely,
1:01:27but I think the idea is to look within
1:01:29yourself: what is it that makes me feel
1:01:31not so good? What isn't aligned? Is it
1:01:33me who isn't aligned, or am I
1:01:34projecting that the other person isn't
1:01:35aligned with me? Because sometimes we
1:01:36say it's the other person's fault. But
1:01:38wait, wait, wait, look at yourself
1:01:40first; what makes you feel suddenly
1:01:42misaligned? Because of what? What do
1:01:43you need? What are your needs? What are
1:01:45you feeling? Have you expressed it? Did
1:01:47the other person understand it? Are
1:01:48they truly incapable of responding to
1:01:50it? Is their way of responding perhaps
1:01:51a bit different from what you expect?
1:01:52But isn't it still good, too? Would you
1:01:54be willing to accept that different way
1:01:55of doing things or not? And so, I
1:01:57always come back to looking at oneself
1:01:59and observing what the real issue is,
1:02:01taking back one's responsibility once
1:02:03again, and stopping the projection of "
1:02:05it's their fault, it's the other's
1:02:07fault"...Uh, no, it's your own fault
1:02:09first and foremost if you want to find
1:02:11someone to blame, a way of thinking,
1:02:13but...hm.
1:02:14h
1:02:15At least you can take action on
1:02:16yourself.
1:02:18If I try to find a common thread in the
1:02:20discussion, I feel like it ties into
1:02:22the core idea of knowing yourself, your
1:02:24limiting beliefs, your needs.
1:02:29How can we dive in and understand that,
1:02:31but at the same time avoid falling into
1:02:33the trap of over-intellectualizing and
1:02:34always trying to understand, break
1:02:36things down, and all that?
1:02:38Yes, well.
1:02:39Exactly, how do we...
1:02:40Oh yes, yes. What would you advise
1:02:42people to do to try to find a balance
1:02:44between deconstructing and still moving
1:02:46forward?
1:02:46Hm, first off, my advice would be:
1:02:49leave yourselves alone and stop
1:02:51overthinking, just live. You have to
1:02:54stop with all these topics; at some
1:02:55point, it's useless. And then, when you
1:02:59feel there’s something persistent
1:03:01within you, that lingers for months and
1:03:04months, where you feel something is
1:03:06wrong, go and identify what is actually
1:03:09wrong within yourself. Where does this
1:03:13unease come from? Is it boredom, is it
1:03:15relational, professional, or just a way
1:03:18of expressing yourself? Is it your
1:03:20daily life, what is it? Is it where you
1:03:21live? What is the real subject? Because
1:03:25sometimes we can't quite pinpoint it,
1:03:26and it's about taking the time to ask,
1:03:28"What is it that makes my daily life—
1:03:30what are all the little actions that
1:03:32don't suit me?" What is the real thing?
1:03:36Breakfast is finally over. OK, when I
1:03:38go to work, well, actually work is fine
1:03:40. Oh yeah, it's true that the
1:03:41colleagues, I'm not...yeah, it's the
1:03:43colleagues, really. The colleagues
1:03:44annoy me. OK, but do you like your job?
1:03:45Yes, I love my job. It's the colleagues
1:03:47. OK, what is it that annoys you about
1:03:49the colleagues? Well, the conversations
1:03:50, they aren't nourishing. OK, you need
1:03:52nourishing conversations. Do you have
1:03:54to have them at work? Couldn't you have
1:03:56nourishing conversations with other
1:03:57people elsewhere in the evening when
1:03:58you do another activity? Yes, it's
1:04:00possible. I would need to find the time
1:04:01. Ah, OK. How can you organize yourself
1:04:03? Well, and take action. But indeed,
1:04:06the over-intellectualized approach, we
1:04:09are all different. Some are very much
1:04:12into that, others not at all. Same here
1:04:14, I don't have a ready-made answer but
1:04:17Does this...it's an idea that just came
1:04:19to me...does this
1:04:20over-intellectualization sometimes come
1:04:22from the fact that there is a belief or
1:04:23something that we identified quite
1:04:25quickly but that we don't want to
1:04:26address?
1:04:28And to feel like we're still moving
1:04:29forward, still working on things, we
1:04:31find lots of stuff and work on
1:04:32everything, except the big elephant in
1:04:34the room, well, it's still there,
1:04:36actually. And that you could also just
1:04:38address the elephant, and once that one
1:04:39is resolved, and everything will be
1:04:41resolved, quote-unquote, whereas
1:04:42conversely, as long as it isn't
1:04:43addressed, well, in fact, we could go
1:04:45around in circles for 5 years.
1:04:46Yeah, that's it. That is very true. And
1:04:48even if we never go see that elephant
1:04:50and we go around in circles, it's not a
1:04:51big deal either.
1:04:54You see, it's also good to remember
1:04:55that I don't need to be the best
1:04:56version of myself and always succeed in
1:04:58life in the abundance of whatever, the
1:04:59stuff we're often bombarded with in the
1:05:01performance spirit that has also been
1:05:02passed on to the world of spirituality.
1:05:05And it's inspiring, but after a while,
1:05:06just let yourself live. You have your
1:05:08flaws, own them too. I mean, you know,
1:05:09just give yourself a break. So yeah,
1:05:12well, it's a life journey, right?
1:05:15Great. Well, listen, Aurore, this was a
1:05:17slightly different episode than usual,
1:05:19very concrete. It really resonates with
1:05:21me. I hope this resonated with the
1:05:23people who watched us today, and that
1:05:25perhaps they have a concrete action
1:05:26they can take to integrate into their
1:05:28lives. I have three small questions
1:05:31that I ask all my guests at the end of
1:05:32an episode. The first is, what does
1:05:33living a fulfilled life mean to you?
1:05:36A fulfilled life for me? It's a life
1:05:39where I have fun, where I don't take
1:05:41myself seriously, I laugh. For me, that
1:05:43is what's fulfilled.
1:05:45Great. And if you had one piece of
1:05:47advice for the 20-year-old Aurore, what
1:05:48would it be?
1:05:50Wow! The 20-year-old Aurore, hold on,
1:05:54she wasn't very happy. And so that's
1:05:56where I ask myself the question: "Were
1:05:58things destined or not?" Uh, I would
1:06:00tell her don't give up, and you see
1:06:02your instinct that tells you that you
1:06:03will make it despite everything you're
1:06:05enduring, uh, follow that little voice
1:06:06inside you, Aurore, because it's not
1:06:08the people around you who are
1:06:09supporting you. So, pick yourself up.
1:06:12Go for it.
1:06:14Great. And finally, what services do
1:06:16you offer, and where can people learn
1:06:18more about you or get in touch with you
1:06:19? Basically, if people are curious and
1:06:21would like to go a bit deeper into your
1:06:22world, what do you offer? Well, yes,
1:06:25you can already find me on my YouTube
1:06:27channel, which is called Aurore Rogers,
1:06:29and then there's my site rogersore.com,
1:06:31where there are many online courses
1:06:33that I offer on how to align yourself,
1:06:35how to manifest a life at the right
1:06:37frequency. And then, I also offer
1:06:41in-person workshops, and the easiest
1:06:43way is to subscribe to my newsletter
1:06:44because every month I do a guidance for
1:06:46the month, so I channel the energies of
1:06:48the moment, which I don't necessarily
1:06:50do on YouTube like I used to, so it's
1:06:51via email. And then, I often send one
1:06:56or two emails a month with an
1:06:57experiential journey, a practical
1:06:59exercise to help yourself, inspiring
1:07:01things, and everyone picks what they
1:07:03want. And if I do in-person events,
1:07:06well, they will be, we are kept
1:07:08informed mainly in my newsletter, but
1:07:10for the rest, everything is on my
1:07:12website. Great, thank you very much for
1:07:15being with us today and for sharing
1:07:17everything you have continued to share
1:07:19for years. In any case, I found this
1:07:21conversation extremely interesting.
1:07:23Oh, thank you, it was a real, a good
1:07:25moment, sorry, for me too. I was
1:07:27delighted by this exchange.
1:07:30I am Réy, you are watching point0, and
1:07:32I will see you in the next episode.
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