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發燒新聞／梁文傑以外省身分回應　批羅大佑：聽不懂他說什麼｜民視新聞 — Transcript

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0:00I might be hitting a nerve, but you are
0:02also from the Waishengren community,
0:04Minister.
0:04>> It used to be called "Minister Yibao."
0:07>> Do you think your current situation in
0:09Taiwan is anything like what Luo Dayou
0:10described? A situation like that.
0:14>> Actually, because I am from the
0:16Waishengren community, I have no idea
0:18what Luo Dayou is talking about.
0:24To bring these discussions back into
0:26Taiwanese society and stir up such
0:28emotions again......is absolutely bad
0:30for this society.
0:34Besides, Luo Dayou cannot represent the
0:37Waishengren, as he himself is not even
0:39one.
0:42He doesn't need to go out of his way to
0:44worry on others 'behalf.
0:46Alright.
0:50Moving on.
0:55First, regarding the Taiwan Affairs
0:58Office's press conference yesterday,
1:00they claimed that "transnational
1:02repression" is a lie fabricated by the
1:04DPP to sell their "two-state theory" for
1:07Taiwan independence.
1:12They also claimed it’s a "green terror"
1:14tactic to amplify the chilling effect
1:16and incite cross-strait confrontation.
1:23We must solemnly point out that the
1:25TAO's statement cannot withstand the
1:27test of facts at all.
1:30Whether the CCP is involved in
1:32transnational repression cannot be
1:34denied by a few words from the TAO.
1:37The evidence gathered by our judicial
1:39investigations is the most important
1:41basis.
1:43Take the Shih Ban-min assault case as an
1:45example.
1:47At the time, the TAO dismissed this case
1:50as a simple public safety matter, even
1:52claiming the suspect might have acted
1:54out of personal indignation.
1:58However, our prosecutors investigated it
2:00clearly: this case had several features
2:03.
2:05First, it was funded and directed from
2:07abroad, where people overseas were
2:09dissatisfied with Shih Ban-min’s
2:11cross-strait remarks and paid others to
2:14form a transnational harassment group.
2:18This group had a second feature:
2:20organized criminal division of labor.
2:24Hong Kong gang members were involved,
2:26with some acting as lookouts, some
2:28carrying out the attack, and others
2:30conducting surveillance.
2:33The third feature was the pre-planned
2:35reconnaissance deployment.
2:37And the fourth was the actual violent
2:39assault.
2:41Regarding the suspect we apprehended,
2:43Liao Gang-fa, he confessed in court
2:45after the prosecution indicted him.
2:49He pleaded guilty to all the charges in
2:51the indictment.
2:53Then look at the Huang Yi-hao staged car
2:55accident case; it shares similar
2:57characteristics, including overseas
2:59funding and direction. Along with
3:01domestic division of labor and planning
3:03based on leaked personal information.
3:07Then there was the deliberate staging of
3:09a car accident and post-incident
3:11reporting.
3:15The TAO also called the Huang Yi-hao
3:17case a smear campaign, but we rely on
3:19the evidence found by our district
3:22prosecutors, and both cases clearly show
3:24: It wasn't out of any personal
3:26indignation.
3:29It is completely different from a
3:31typical public safety incident. And
3:35It is absolutely not something
3:37fabricated.
3:40Shen Bo’s surveillance case is the same
3:43.
3:44They all share the same characteristics
3:46.
3:48Therefore, we want to emphasize that the
3:50government protects the freedom of
3:51speech for all people.
3:55And regarding all political stances, we
3:57believe everyone has the right to
3:59express their opinions freely.
4:03One should not be subjected to
4:05surveillance or intimidation for
4:07criticizing the CCP; this is an issue
4:09that needs to be prevented and is the
4:11greatest test for Taiwan's democratic
4:13and free system.
4:16Thank you.
4:17>> Alright, thank you, Deputy Minister. We
4:20will now open the floor for questions
4:21from the media.
4:23Is there any member of the press who
4:25would like to raise their hand first?
4:27Everyone is welcome to ask questions.
4:29Liberty Times, please.
4:30>> Deputy Minister, hello. Today, China
4:33held a commemorative conference for the
4:35160th anniversary of Sun Yat-sen's birth
4:38, and Xi Jinping made some remarks,
4:40mentioning Sun Yat-sen and unification
4:42multiple times. He also said that
4:45negotiations on national reunification
4:47could be initiated under the One-China
4:49principle.
4:50I would like to ask for the Council's
4:52stance on this.
4:53Thank you.
4:54>> Alright.
4:57We have all seen the remarks made at
4:59today's conference.
5:03In fact, this speech did not cover much
5:05regarding cross-strait unification.
5:10It mainly focused on two points.
5:14One is the claim that the CCP is the
5:16legitimate successor to Sun Yat-sen's
5:18revolutionary ideals.
5:21This is to establish the legitimacy of
5:23the CCP's rule.
5:28The other part is using the
5:30commemoration of Sun Yat-sen's birth to
5:32reaffirm the correctness, greatness, and
5:35glory of Xi Jinping Thought.
5:40He raised many points within it.
5:44Calls such as adhering to patriotism,
5:47love for the Party, and socialism, and
5:49insisting on the comprehensive
5:50leadership of the Party and the
5:52centralized, unified leadership of the
5:54Party Central Committee. And insisting
5:57on combining the basic principles of
5:59Marxism with China's concrete reality,
6:02and so on.
6:07Therefore, it was essentially using the
6:10commemoration of Sun Yat-sen as a
6:12pretext to establish the legitimacy of
6:14the CCP's rule and the correctness of Xi
6:16Jinping Thought.
6:25As for the part about Taiwan's
6:27unification, the wording and stance are
6:29not much different from the past.
6:34Thank you.
6:35>> Alright, thank you, Deputy Minister. Is
6:38there anyone else? Storm Media?
6:39Following up on this topic of Sun
6:41Yat-sen, is the Council worried that the
6:44mainland is now using Sun Yat-sen as a
6:46symbol for its united front? Because in
6:49the past, the Legislative Yuan had
6:51amended laws, potentially requiring
6:53government agencies, schools, and the
6:55military to remove statues of Sun
6:57Yat-sen. Is the government likely to
6:59push for such amendments again? Thank
7:02you.
7:03The CCP has been using Mr. Sun Yat-sen
7:06as a symbolic figure for its united
7:08front since the 1950s, so this is not a
7:11new practice.
7:16The government will not take any special
7:18corresponding measures just because they
7:20are now commemorating the 160th
7:22anniversary.
7:25Alright, thank you.
7:27>> Thank you, Deputy Minister. Are there
7:29any other issues the media would like to
7:30address? Deputy Minister, hello. United
7:33Daily News, a question please. Veteran
7:35musician Lo Ta-yu was interviewed on the
7:36radio program "UFO Breakfast" on the
7:3810th, where he criticized the DPP for
7:39fighting for freedom of speech in the
7:40past but now making the public afraid to
7:42speak out. He further stated that
7:43Mainlanders are currently being bullied
7:45quite miserably, sparking controversy.
7:47In response, former Taipei City
7:48Councilor Froggy retorted, "First,
7:50include the song' Orphan of Asia 'in
7:52your concert setlist in China, give a
7:54talk during the concert, and then tell
7:56me Taiwan lacks freedom of speech."
7:57However, some netizens pointed out that
8:00Lo Ta-yu did perform this song in
8:02Shanghai in 2018. So, I would like to
8:05ask the Mainland Affairs Council how it
8:07views Lo's criticism of Taiwan's freedom
8:10of speech and this controversy. Thank
8:12you. If Taiwan didn't have freedom of
8:14speech, it would have been impossible
8:16for Lo Ta-yu to appear on this program.
8:18And after finishing this program, if
8:20Taiwan lacked freedom of speech, he
8:22might have been subjected to treatment
8:25similar to people like Kevin Tsai or
8:27Huang Yi-hao, but he wasn't.
8:29So, Taiwan's freedom of speech is
8:32actually, actually quite clear.
8:35I don't really understand what Mr. Lo
8:37means by saying the government makes
8:39people live in fear.
8:42Today, everyone is free to say whatever
8:44they want on various online platforms
8:47and through various channels of
8:48discourse.
8:52As long as you don't break the law, I
8:54basically don't think Taiwanese people
8:56feel there is any restriction on freedom
8:58of speech regarding the government.
9:03Well.
9:06However, Mr. Lo specifically mentioned
9:09the issue of provincial origins, stating
9:11that Mainlanders are treated as "
9:13traitors" or the like.
9:19From the standpoint of the Mainland
9:21Affairs Council, we believe that such
9:23remarks are very divisive to society.
9:27Since the 1994 Taipei Mayoral election,
9:30that election was perhaps the most
9:32intense mobilization of provincial
9:34identity in Taiwan.
9:41Since that race, all politicians and
9:43political parties have learned that
9:45almost no one dares to provoke or
9:47highlight issues of provincial origin to
9:49incite public sentiment.
9:57Now, 32 years later, it is hard to
9:59imagine that anyone would still use such
10:02rhetoric to discuss provincial identity
10:04issues.
10:06We hope that this election will just be
10:08an election, and after it is over,
10:10everyone will return to their own duties
10:12.
10:15Let’s not reopen the painful wounds of
10:17Taiwanese society.
10:20Thank you.
10:21>> Alright, thank you to the Deputy
10:23Minister. Are there any other questions
10:25from the media friends present? Meihua
10:27Media.
10:28>> Deputy Minister, excuse me, I may have
10:30to touch on a sore spot for you, but you
10:32are also a second-generation Mainlander
10:34.
10:34>> Yes.
10:34>> Previously known as a second-generation
10:36Mainlander. Hmm.
10:37>> Do you feel that your current situation
10:39in Taiwan is like what Lo Ta-yu
10:41described? Such a situation.
10:44>> Precisely because I am a Mainlander, I
10:46have absolutely no idea what Lo Ta-yu is
10:49talking about.
10:53And let me say again, for Taiwanese
10:55society to keep discussing these things
10:58and stirring up such emotions is
11:00definitely not good for this society.
11:05And Lo Ta-yu cannot represent
11:07Mainlanders, because he himself is not a
11:10Mainlander.
11:12He doesn't need to go around troubling
11:14himself on behalf of Mainlanders.
11:17Alright, thank you.
11:19>> Okay.
11:21Do our friends in the media have any
11:23other questions?
11:25Everyone is welcome to raise their hand
11:27to ask.
11:28Hm. Oh, the Central News Agency reporter
11:31.
11:32Deputy Minister, regarding foreign
11:34reports that the U.S. had suggested
11:36Taiwan monitor Huang Lok's movements in
11:38Taiwan back in 2024, the Minister stated
11:40this morning that the Mainland Affairs
11:42Council did not receive such information
11:45, and Huang Lok was not specially
11:46scrutinized when entering the country.
11:49I would like to ask, when exactly did
11:51the Taiwan government first learn that
11:53Huang Lok might be involved in national
11:55security concerns?
11:58And did the U.S. back then really issue
12:00a warning or provide any intelligence
12:02related to Huang to any Taiwan
12:04government agency? Additionally, since
12:06the government has repeatedly stated it
12:08would strengthen entry reviews for
12:10individuals from the Mainland, Hong Kong
12:12, and Macau, what new concrete measures
12:14will be taken in the future to prevent
12:16similar cases from occurring? Thank you
12:17.
12:18>> Alright.
12:20What you are referring to is a New York
12:22Times report.
12:24As for the accuracy of the New York
12:26Times report, I do not know.
12:28But from the perspective of the Mainland
12:31Affairs Council, we indeed did not
12:32receive any relevant information.
12:35Our Mainland Affairs Council did not
12:37receive any relevant information.
12:40Well.
12:47We have always had review processes for
12:49individuals from Hong Kong, Macau, and
12:52the Mainland, but this also depends on
12:54specific intelligence and leads.
13:00If there is no specific intelligence or
13:02leads, it may just be a general review.
13:05If there is specific intelligence or
13:07leads, then the review will be
13:09strengthened and will be much stricter.
13:12So, it depends on the specific
13:14circumstances of each case. But
13:16regarding the Huang Lok incident, the
13:18Mainland Affairs Council did not receive
13:20relevant information beforehand; this is
13:23certain. Alright, thank you.
13:25>> Alright, thank you, Deputy Minister.
13:28Do our friends in the media have any
13:30other questions?
13:32Next.
13:34A few days ago, Minister Chiu gave an
13:36interview.
13:37Everyone was concerned about Jensen
13:39Huang, and even more so about the person
13:41with the same surname, Huang Le.
13:44They asked if he was a Chinese spy.
13:47I recall the Minister saying there was
13:49no information to provide at the time.
13:51I would like to ask again: regarding the
13:54claim that Huang Le is a Chinese spy,
13:56first of all, no official from the U.S.
13:59has come out to say he is a spy; it has
14:01all been through media reports.
14:03Can our side confirm that Huang Le is
14:06indeed a Chinese spy?
14:09Just like you, we have only seen the
14:11information through the media.
14:17We are unable to confirm or deny this
14:19matter.
14:21Thank you.
14:22>> Okay, thank you, Deputy Minister. Are
14:25there any other questions from members
14:26of the media? Please raise your hand.
14:29Central News Agency, please. I would
14:31like to follow up.
14:35Based on what the Minister said this
14:37morning and what you just said, if the
14:39MAC hasn't received relevant information
14:41, can you disclose whether any other
14:43government agency in Taiwan has received
14:45such intelligence from the U.S.?
14:50I can only say that the MAC has not
14:52received it, and the MAC is not an
14:54intelligence agency.
14:56So, whether other units have received it
14:59, we are not sure, but the MAC has not.
15:02Okay.
15:03>> All right.
15:04Are there any other questions from the
15:06media?
15:07Liberty Times.
15:09>> Okay, regarding a Chinese tourist who
15:11applied to visit Taiwan, their
15:13application was rejected because the
15:15form stated "China Taiwan." The KMT
15:17caucus in the Legislative Yuan
15:18questioned whether this approach is the
15:21behavior of an authoritarian state. I
15:23wonder what the MAC—
15:29Our position is very clear: if your
15:31application documents are deemed to harm
15:33our national interests or violate
15:35principles such as reciprocity and
15:37dignity, we certainly have the right to
15:39deny your entry into Taiwan.
15:45I think this is the government's right.
15:48As for the specific details, since the
15:51National Immigration Agency handles the
15:53actual approval process—we don't have
15:55any particular comments.
16:01However, on the matter of principle, as
16:03long as your application documents or
16:05your purpose for coming to Taiwan harms
16:07our national interests or violates the
16:09principles of reciprocity and dignity,
16:12we have the right to reject your
16:13application.
16:18Thank you.
16:19>> Okay, Meihua Media.
16:22>> May I ask if this is an isolated case?
16:27This is the first time I have seen such
16:29a case, yes.
16:33Okay, does anyone else from the media
16:35have any other concerns regarding this
16:37topic?
16:40Deputy Minister, I would like to follow
16:42up. If similar situations appear in
16:44future hotel booking confirmations or
16:46other supporting documents, what would
16:48the standard operating procedure (SOP)
16:50be for handling them? Will there be a
16:52direct request for a recommendation or a
16:54re-upload, or can we rest assured as
16:56long as it doesn't involve official
16:58documents?
16:59Will there be clear administrative
17:00guidance provided to the grassroots
17:02level later? Thank you. This falls under
17:05the National Immigration Agency’s review
17:07process.
17:11We won't interfere too much with those
17:13details, but the broad principle is that
17:15you cannot harm Taiwan’s national
17:17interests or the principle of
17:18reciprocity.
17:22As for the detailed implementation, I
17:24believe that should be left to the
17:26National Immigration Agency to consider
17:28.
17:31The Director-General of the National
17:33Immigration Agency has stated that they
17:35will continue to refine the system to
17:37avoid unnecessary misunderstandings, so
17:39let's refer to the Agency's statement,
17:41shall we?
17:44>> All right, thank you, Vice Chairman.
17:46Storm Media.
17:47>> Excuse me, Vice Chairman, I have another
17:49question on this topic. Does the
17:51Mainland Affairs Council agree with this
17:53practice of requiring political
17:55statements from applicants? Secondly,
17:57does the phrasing "Taiwan and China are
17:59not subordinate to each other" align
18:00with the Council’s position on
18:02cross-strait relations? Thank you.
18:09Our Council's formal expression has
18:11consistently been that the Republic of
18:13China and the People's Republic of China
18:15are not subordinate to each other.
18:24That is our official terminology, and we
18:26hope that other government agencies will
18:28refer to our usage.
18:33Thank you.
18:34>> All right, thank you.
18:36Meihua News.
18:38>> If you put it that way, "two countries
18:40not subordinate," to my knowledge,
18:42before the DPP took office under Tsai
18:44Ing-wen, the Council's position wasn't
18:46like this. The Council’s previous
18:48position was "two sides not subordinate
18:50." The Vice Chairman just used the term
18:52"two countries." Does this involve the "
18:54Two-State Theory," and is there a
18:56suspicion of it being unconstitutional?
18:58Thank you.
18:59"The Republic of China and the People's
19:01Republic of China are not subordinate to
19:04each other"—we have stated this many
19:06times. This isn't something said only
19:08today, and it has been the case for many
19:10years. All right, thank you.
19:12>> All right.
19:13Are there any other questions from the
19:15media?
19:17Tai Sounds, hello. Vice Chairman, you
19:19just mentioned that many media outlets
19:21are concerned about the investigation
19:23into the Huang Le case and whether we
19:25have received information on whether he
19:27is a Chinese spy. However, the Executive
19:30Yuan spokesperson mentioned at a press
19:32conference today that transnational
19:34cooperative investigations are underway
19:36.
19:41>> Since this involves "two countries"—
19:43though it likely refers to Taiwan and
19:46the United States—As for whether we have
19:48been provided with relevant information
19:50, is the Mainland Affairs Council
19:52involved in any part of this?
20:00Or have you been asked to provide an
20:01opinion?
20:03Thank you.
20:05>> Regarding the specific investigation, we
20:07...
20:12For us, what we are more concerned about
20:14is whether there are any loopholes in
20:16our export controls on high-tech goods.
20:22That is the issue we consider more
20:24important.
20:28As for whether specific individuals are
20:31spies or otherwise, that is for other
20:33agencies to handle; we are more focused
20:35on the systemic issues, thank you.
20:40Next question.
20:41The statement made by the Executive Yuan
20:43spokesperson is quite different from
20:45Singapore's.
20:47Singapore's official position is the
20:49same as what the Vice Minister mentioned
20:52; they are investigating high-tech
20:54controls, but as for whether Huang Le is
20:56a Chinese spy, they did not investigate
20:58that.
21:01It seems our spokesperson is going a
21:03step further than Singapore by checking
21:05if Huang Le is a Chinese spy; is that
21:07the situation?
21:12May I ask, I am not familiar with the
21:14Executive Yuan spokesperson's remarks,
21:16but the core business of the MAC is to
21:19review, from a systemic perspective,
21:21whether there are any loopholes in the
21:23export of high-tech products.
21:30Will such loopholes cause the
21:31international community to have doubts
21:33about Taiwan, and will it shake their
21:35confidence in us?
21:40I think this is the more significant
21:41issue.
21:43All right, thank you.
21:45>> Thank you, Vice Minister.
21:48Are there any other questions from the
21:50media?
21:52Yes, Vice Minister, sorry to bother you
21:54.
21:55Today, figures including Kuan Chung,
21:58President Wang Jin-pyng, and President
22:01Chen Chien-jen released a peace
22:03initiative.
22:06I would like to ask if you have any
22:08response to the demands of this activity
22:10, thank you.
22:12>> All right.
22:16This initiative is mainly led by Mr.
22:18Kuan Chung and Mr. Ting Shou-chung,
22:20involving over 200 scholars, though the
22:23names I see are mostly familiar faces.
22:29Our view is as follows.
22:32The importance of peace in the Taiwan
22:34Strait is something the whole world
22:36knows.
22:38But the whole world also knows that the
22:40one trying to disrupt peace right now is
22:43the CCP, not Taiwan.
22:45So, if you want to call for peace, you
22:47should be calling on the CCP.
22:50Do not get the target wrong.
22:53This statement mentions prioritizing
22:55cross-strait peace and opposing war and
22:58confrontation.
23:00No one disagrees with that statement.
23:03I agree with it, too.
23:05However, peace is not surrender, because
23:08surrender cannot bring equality and
23:10dignity, nor can it preserve freedom and
23:12democracy.
23:14If we were to surrender, we could have
23:16done so in 1949.
23:19Why would we have brought two million
23:21people to Taiwan?
23:25As for their call for cross-strait
23:26negotiations on final political
23:28arrangements.
23:32I think I will use the words of Mr.
23:34Chiang Ching-kuo, who once said in 1982
23:37that the CCP does not keep its word.
23:42Any idea that the CCP would allow Taiwan
23:44to retain its own social and economic
23:47system after unification with the
23:49mainland is unrealistic.
23:55I think this can be fully illustrated by
23:57Hong Kong's experience over the past few
24:00years, so we hope that all sectors of
24:02society recognize the CCP's ambition to
24:04annex Taiwan and harbor no unrealistic
24:07illusions.
24:10Also, do not pander to the CCP's
24:12narrative on Taiwan, which misleads the
24:15international community's perception.
24:17Alright.
24:20Thank you.

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