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0:00If your happiness depends on the actions
0:03of others,
0:05you know, you're at mercy of things that
0:07you can't control. The best-selling
0:09author and host
0:09The number one health and wellness
0:11podcast
0:12with Jay Shetty
0:15Yeah, I'm not even just saying this. I
0:16literally
0:18think I manifested this. Like it's the
0:20after I saw you at Simeon Haze's house.
0:24So that was a couple months ago and then
0:25a few weeks ago my I was talking to my
0:27social media girl randomly. We were just
0:29talking about a bunch of stuff um and
0:31just kind of what I would love to
0:34represent and just talking about a new
0:35chapter for me and whatever and I was
0:37she was like
0:38"Who would you really want to like talk
0:39to or whatever?" And I was like, "It'd
0:41be so cool to talk to Jay." And she was
0:43like, "That would be really cool." And
0:44then we kind of just that was kind of
0:46the thought and whatever and then you
0:47hit me and I was like, "No freaking way.
0:50He's hitting me right now." So I was
0:51like, "Absolutely. This is like perfect.
0:53It's the universe just putting it in
0:55perfect timing because
0:56That that makes me so happy because it
0:57was exactly the opposite way. So I've
1:01for a long time had people that I'd love
1:03to sit down with and every time I saw
1:04you do something with mental health in
1:06Vogue or any of the segments that you
1:08ever did, I was just like, "She's
1:09amazing." Like, you know, it's
1:11incredible to the way you were talking
1:12about it when you'd post about it. I'd
1:14be like, "Oh, this is incredible." Like
1:16to see see you speaking so openly about
1:18it and vulnerably about it.
1:19And so I've always wanted to do this and
1:21then but we've never really crossed
1:23paths and so I'm always just a bit like
1:25and I don't like asking friends of
1:27friends when I haven't met someone and
1:28Right. So I I was like that day I had to
1:30like pluck up the courage and be like,
1:31"I'm just going to ask her myself." Cuz
1:33it's easier when I ask direct and I know
1:35Christie so
1:37but I was like I it's nicer when there's
1:39I told my team too. I was like, "It's so
1:40much nicer when there's like a personal
1:41connection
1:42For sure.
1:42and someone really feels comfortable
1:44rather than it's like a PR thing.
1:46was it was so perfect. Like when I think
1:48back to it, I'm like, "That was me just
1:50trusting the universe and not pushing
1:52for anything and I knew it was going to
1:54kind of happen when it was supposed to."
1:55And it literally did. So,
1:57you felt it, too.
1:58Yeah, I did. That means a lot to me.
2:00Yeah, and and I hope that this is the
2:01start of spending more time together,
2:03Me, too. I would love that.
2:04camera, too. I would love that, cuz like
2:06I think also, I don't know, like I
2:08admire people like you. I admire like,
2:12you know, the the Michael Pollans and
2:14Michael Singers and Wim Hofs of the
2:16world, and I feel like you fit in that
2:18category for me of just people that are
2:20Cuz you know, I know a little bit about
2:21your story. I'd like to actually know
2:23more, which would be really cool to act
2:24I know obviously not here to ask you for
2:26that, exactly. But, for me just
2:29personally, like I'd love to know more
2:30of your story. I know that
2:32you've had quite the experiences, and I
2:34think that's so cool. I'm like so
2:36intrigued by people with just that
2:38amount of curiosity and like
2:40determination determination and
2:41patience. Like that takes so much
2:44patience to be like you or like any of
2:47those people that I just listed. It's so
2:48cool to me, and I just I wish I wish for
2:51myself, but I'm working on it.
2:52that curious, too. You're that curious,
2:54yeah.
2:55It's just, you know, that that level of,
2:57like I said, patience and deter-
2:58determination is like
3:01it's a gift. Like that is like a really
3:03really amazing gift, and like I said,
3:06like I'm just working on it all the
3:07time, and I that's my goal in life, I
3:09guess.
3:10Well, well, I I think I feel the same
3:11way about you again that And by the way,
3:14I love all these people you just
3:15mentioned, too. So, so I feel very
3:17honored to be put into that group of
3:18people. And we've had Wim on the podcast
3:20before, too. So, he's been a guest. But,
3:21with you,
3:23I feel the same way back when it's like
3:24when when you see someone who is so
3:26curious, who could get away with not
3:29worrying about these things if you don't
3:30want to, but then still being courageous
3:31enough to talk about these things, and
3:33then using your platform as a space to
3:35open up these dialogues. Like that is as
3:38if not more important, as well, as as
3:41doing the work and doing the path.
3:42Yeah. I mean, I I I can
3:43I I can see you doing the work. It's fun
3:44watching you do the work and figuring it
3:46out.
3:46I love working on myself. Like it is
3:49actually like a passion of mine, and
3:51like I just
3:53I find so much comfort and joy and like
3:55actually finding where I think I could
3:58better myself and being like, even if
4:00it's physical, like physical as in like
4:02my physical health or working out or I
4:04just started doing, speaking of Wim Hof,
4:06I just started doing like cold plunges
4:07and ice baths and like even if I don't
4:09have the time to go outside, I just got
4:11a cold plunge. I did it right before I
4:12got here. It's the best thing ever. It's
4:14also
4:14yeah. So, again, it takes so much mental
4:17like the whole thing of it is all
4:18mental. So, I don't know, just stuff
4:21like that I really love. So, I'm always
4:24I'm always trying to just be the best
4:26version of me, and so I just love that.
4:28It like actually makes me feel really
4:30good. I love self-care, and I just love
4:31stuff like that. So, it's been really
4:33cool, but it's cool for you
4:35to say that you enjoy seeing that from
4:38me because there's always been kind of
4:40this weird part of it for me where I'm
4:42like, is this a pity party? Cuz I don't
4:44want it to be. Like I want this to feel
4:46very
4:47positive. I want to connect with people,
4:49and I guess that's that is my goal there
4:51is to be like there actually is this
4:52side of me that you might may not know
4:54of, but the goal here is to connect and
4:58also not feel like I'm throwing some
5:02pity party for myself because I want
5:03this to be a learning experience for
5:05everyone. I want this to be really
5:06positive and really really well
5:08received. I want you to look at it and
5:10actually have a positive feeling towards
5:11it. So, I don't know, you'll find like
5:13if I, you know, when I do kind of post
5:15about something or when I want to talk
5:17about something, I'm usually sharing a
5:19tip or like sharing kind of like a
5:21little technique, even if it's something
5:22so simple as like walking outside,
5:24taking a few deep breaths, and
5:25journaling. Like
5:26Yeah. it's just that kind of stuff that
5:28I really like um to share cuz I feel
5:31like I want to be helpful Yeah. Yeah.
5:34Absolutely. And that's how I That's at
5:35least how I see it. I see it not not
5:37completely
5:38not as a pity party at all, but so much
5:40more as just, "Hey, here's a reminder or
5:42here's something that I did." And I feel
5:44like that positivity shines through,
5:46too, in the way you do it, so at least
5:48if that helps, whatever that's worth
5:50from the outside, it definitely comes
5:52across that way. And and this has easily
5:54been the warmest introduction to a flow
5:56of a conversation I've ever experienced
5:58in my entire life of doing this.
5:59say I was actually I was actually really
6:01nervous coming in here cuz this means so
6:03much to me. Like and I'm serious cuz you
6:05know, I've done a a lot of interviews in
6:07my life and when when thinking about
6:10this one or thinking about that I even
6:11wanted to do something like this, it
6:13just it it means a lot to me. And so it
6:16made me a little nervous. And I was like
6:17I just want to get this right. This
6:18isn't like, you know, me going out and
6:20promoting something or talking about
6:21something. This is, you know, something
6:24very real that um we all experience,
6:26which is just, you know, our ourselves
6:29and our well-being and just everything.
6:31So Yeah, and this is this is a, you
6:33know, for me genuinely and I and I
6:35really do mean this. Like the podcast
6:36has been a
6:38great excuse or really for my side an
6:41intention to get to know people and I
6:43really admire.
6:43Yeah. And so for me it's been a great
6:45way of building new friendships and
6:47relationships because if you can sit and
6:48talk to someone and really get along
6:49with each other, you're like, "Oh, we
6:51should do this more often." And so Well,
6:52I'm honored. Yeah, so for me it's
6:54definitely been that and to me, you
6:56know,
6:57you saying that and, you know, taking it
6:59as intentionally as you are, it's, you
7:01know, for me it's as important I I
7:03always share this before we start
7:04recording usually, but we just flowed.
7:07Hey everyone, welcome back to On
7:09Purpose, the number one health podcast
7:11in the world. Thanks to each and every
7:12single one of you that come back every
7:14week to listen, learn, and grow. Now,
7:17it's very rare that I get to sit down
7:18with someone that I have admired for a
7:20very long time from afar. Someone that I
7:22believe has inspired me through the
7:24sharing of their story. Someone who
7:26speaks so vulnerably and openly about
7:28the things that I most care about.
7:29Mental health, purpose, uh the journey
7:32of life and discovery and curiosity. And
7:36what I want to share about this person
7:37is when I bumped into them at a mutual
7:38friend's birthday party and I just want
7:40to give a big big shout out to Simi and
7:41Haze because this wouldn't happen
7:43without them. I love you Simeon Haze.
7:44You've been amazing guest on the podcast
7:46before as well. Uh I wouldn't have
7:48bumped into this individual and had this
7:49opportunity to reach out to them. And as
7:52soon as I reached out, this has been the
7:53most flowing conversation and connection
7:56that I've possibly had on the podcast to
7:57be honest. So, I just want to put that
7:59out. I'm speaking about the one and
8:00only, someone who needs no introduction,
8:02but successful business founder,
8:04international supermodel, uh founder of
8:07the incredibly successful tequila brand
8:08818, and star on the Hulu's The
8:11Kardashians, which premieres in second
8:14season on September 22nd, the one and
8:16only Kendall Jenner. Kendall, thank you
8:19so much for doing this.
8:20having me. That was a wonderful
8:21introduction. Oh, well, it's it's
8:24honestly been such an honor getting to
8:25know someone who
8:27it's very rare that I find someone who
8:29functions in with very similar values in
8:32in a personal connection sense. So, when
8:34I reached out to you,
8:36I I really meant everything I said. And
8:38I could have written you an essay, but I
8:39was like, let's spare her the details.
8:41And then to to get your response and
8:43then for us to be here within a couple
8:45of weeks of connecting. Yeah. And even
8:47your message this morning, I just want
8:48people to know. I was like,
8:49the the text you sent me this morning, I
8:51was like,
8:52this never happens. Like, I was like,
8:53this is amazing. And I was like, but and
8:55I was literally going to do the same
8:56thing. And so, to me I was like, this is
8:57very rare. And so, I love the synergy
9:00and the flow that we're experiencing and
9:01Me too. I'm excited to get into it now.
9:04Yeah.
9:04funny cuz I called I called Haze before
9:06um the other day and I was just like,
9:08"Oh my god, I'm going on your friend's
9:09show." and whatever. And she was like,
9:11"He's the best. It's going You're just
9:13going to flow right into it. He's so
9:15easy to talk to." And that's literally
9:16what happened. And like I told you, I
9:18just feel like I manifested this moment
9:20for for both of us and for this just
9:22this whole experience. And so, I am
9:25really happy to be here. And I'm
9:26honestly honored. Like I said, I admire
9:27you and I There's so many people like
9:30you that I admire. So, I think sitting
9:31down here with you is just so cool for
9:34me. And I get to talk about fun things
9:36with you.
9:36Amazing. Amazing. First of many. And And
9:39I wanted to start with because I I
9:40always like to start with just things
9:41that I've seen more recently. A couple
9:43of days ago, I think you posted a
9:44beautiful picture of you hugging your
9:45horse.
9:46Uh and you were like, you know, like
9:47snuggle time or something like that. And
9:49I was just like, when when did horses
9:51become a part of your life and how did
9:54you get so close to them? I think I've
9:55spent many lifetimes with horses. I
9:58think this is very one of many lifetimes
10:00that I've had. I grew up in a horse
10:02community. So, where we grew up, horses
10:04everywhere. Trai More trails than there
10:07were homes, really. And so, I was always
10:09around horses, and I just was deeply in
10:11love with them. And I have no
10:13explanation, and that's why I say I feel
10:14like in past lives I have just been
10:16around horses. Yeah, so since I was a
10:18really young kid, loved them and
10:22continued to love them my whole life.
10:24They're just the best. They're the most
10:26majestic and gorgeous and spiritual.
10:29They feel everything. I just like It's
10:32such an honor to be in their presence
10:34and to be able to do what I can do with
10:36my horse I find so magical, that I can
10:39stand in her stall with her and just
10:41like vibe out with her. I I like
10:43sometimes come to like a little get a
10:45little teary-eyed when I'm standing in
10:46my stall with her cuz I'm like, this is
10:48so cool that you allow me to do this and
10:49we have this connection without any
10:51words. It's just the best thing ever.
10:53So, I love them.
10:54Yeah, that's so special. I I have a
10:56different teary-eyed story with horses,
10:58but I'll I'll tell I'll tell you the
10:59short version. So, when I proposed to my
11:01wife, who I can't wait to introduce you
11:03to, when I proposed to her, which was 8
11:04years ago or something like that, when
11:06when I proposed to her, I organized a
11:09very, what I would consider like a very
11:11a very Hollywood proposal. It was It was
11:13too over the top, and I would do it
11:15totally different today with all
11:16everything I've learned. But, yeah, it
11:18happens. It happens. And so, we were
11:20walking to buy the Thames in London,
11:22which is where we both born and raised,
11:24and this a cappella group jumps out, and
11:25they're singing Bruno Mars, and then
11:27like they give her a bouquet of flowers,
11:29and then I get down on one knee, I
11:30propose, we have dinner by the river and
11:32then we walk around the corner and
11:35there's a horse-drawn carriage to take
11:37us around
11:38to take us around London. And so we're
11:40on this carriage, we have this
11:41beautiful, you know, path through London
11:43and then we get into the train to get
11:44back home to her parents to tell them
11:46and they already knew.
11:48She's got hives all over her face. And
11:51all over her arms.
11:52She's allergic to horses and I found out
11:55the day I proposed to her. I was like,
11:56all right, so that She was like She had
11:58tears and when we got back her parents
11:59were like, "What did you do At least you
12:00got to enjoy the moment. At least you
12:02got to enjoy the moment yeah, it wasn't
12:03so laughters. But but no, I I love
12:04horses. No, I love horses the same way
12:07you do. Like I I used to go to India a
12:08lot when I was a kid and that's where I
12:11first learned to be with horses and it I
12:14mean, they're so therapeutic.
12:15Absolutely, yeah.
12:17there's equine therapy. It's the best.
12:19Exactly. Yeah, they make me they make me
12:22when I'm with her. I have a few, but I'm
12:25most mostly with one of my horses right
12:27now because I'm Her name's Dilantra. I
12:29didn't name her. She came with her name.
12:31But I call her Dylan or Dill.
12:33I love her so much, but when I'm with
12:35her I I genuinely I speak of like I I
12:38spoke about how I've just loved horses
12:39my whole life. I I feel like a kid
12:41around her. Like I feel like my
12:4312-year-old self that would get up every
12:45morning at throughout the entire summer
12:47at 8:00 a.m. to go just be at my
12:50trainer's facility and I would stay
12:51there from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. I'd
12:53ride all her horses, I'd groom all her
12:55horses, I would just sit in the stalls
12:57with all the horses. Like it just
12:58anytime I'm with her, I just have that
13:00sense of like being a child again and
13:02it's a really really good feeling. Yeah,
13:03animals have that special ability, don't
13:06they? Like whichever animal you're
13:07attracted to and I I've I never thought
13:10I would, but when I lived as a monk, the
13:12animal that's revered in India is cows.
13:15And you would never think of cows being
13:18like majestic or you know, in that way,
13:20especially when you're not in India, but
13:21the cows in India have these like
13:22lotus-like eyes. Like their eyes are
13:24just like absolutely stunning, yeah. And
13:27they're so special and they're such
13:28gentle animals. And recently Roddy and I
13:31went trekking with gorillas in Rwanda.
13:34And gorillas are the We have to go. I
13:36That sounds unreal.
13:38It was unbelievable and they're the
13:40animal that's revered in Rwanda. So,
13:42whenever they have a new gorilla that's
13:44born, they have a naming ceremony with
13:46the community and it's
13:47It's so beautiful, but And then I heard
13:49somewhere that you your first job was
13:51you were a dog walker.
13:52Yeah. And so I was thinking like, do you
13:54have any lessons or anything you learned
13:56by being a dog walker? I think first
13:58jobs are so interesting.
13:59Yeah. No, I mean, I was always a super
14:03disciplined child. Like meaning to my
14:05Like I just loved I would put myself to
14:07bed at 7:00 p.m. Be like my mom would be
14:10like playing with me and my little
14:11sister and be like, "Mom, it's 7:00. I
14:13got to go to sleep. Like it's time for
14:14my bedtime." She'd be like, "Are you
14:15okay?" And so, I was always that kid and
14:19so I I think I just was always really
14:20eager to like work. I don't know why. I
14:23just like wanted to always have
14:24something to do, something that I felt
14:26passionate about, that I really enjoyed.
14:28And so, yeah, when I was young, I put
14:30some flyers around our community and
14:32said I would walk dogs and I ended up
14:33getting people that would get Let me
14:36have their dog for a few hours and take
14:37it for a walk. So, I loved animals and I
14:40liked having something to do. So, I
14:42spent I was a kid that liked to be by
14:44myself with animals. So, like I think
14:47that that was a cool very fitting thing
14:50for me cuz I got to be by myself
14:51walking, but then also experience all
14:53these little dogs with their owners.
14:55Yeah. Yeah, I wish I did that. I used to
14:56deliver newspapers. So, that was my
14:58first job and it's not as glamorous in
15:00London because it's raining. Was that
15:02what you were desiring or was that more
15:04just like
15:05old and wanted to make some money. You
15:06were just like, "I need a I was like, "I
15:07need to make some money." Yeah. And so,
15:09I was like, "All right, I'm going to
15:10start doing this." And you don't get to,
15:11you know, you'd see it in the movies
15:13where the paperboy just like chucks the
15:15paper at the door, but I had to actually
15:17go and put it inside. So, my only
15:18interaction with dogs is they were on
15:20the inside grabbing the paper.
15:22And so, yeah.
15:23at you.
15:23Yeah, they're barking and stuff, but I
15:26always love knowing about people's first
15:27jobs and and how things started for them
15:29because of, you know, obviously where
15:30you are today, but
15:32what do you think it was in those early
15:34years where you just said you were very
15:36disciplined? Like it sounds like you
15:38were you were aware of certain habits
15:40that you built then. What were some of
15:41the things that you feel confident about
15:43or
15:44how did how did you look for validation
15:46in those early years and where did it
15:47come from for you? I mean, it's
15:49interesting. So, Kylie, my little
15:51sister, she was always the social
15:53butterfly. I was always I just liked
15:56being to myself. I don't know if that's
15:58the Scorpio in me, so it just came
16:00naturally or whatever. I had a I had a
16:02group of friends who I loved, but I just
16:05I I like can vividly remember just on
16:07the weekends not running to go be with
16:09my friends all the time. During the
16:10summer, I was with them, but on the
16:11weekends in between school, I would I
16:14was really just by myself. I would love
16:16to like hang out in my room. I like was
16:19kind of a nerd. I loved video games and
16:21like sitting on the computer and playing
16:22Sims all day. Like I just kind of liked
16:25being to myself. And then all day long
16:27during the summer was with my horses.
16:28And
16:29yeah, I don't know. I just it just
16:31brought me joy. I don't think I have
16:33like
16:34a you know, a super long explanation for
16:37that. It was so simple for me as a kid.
16:39Like it was just as simple as that made
16:41me happy. And that's just what I wanted.
16:43And it explains, I guess, a lot of me
16:46now. Um I went through like a phase
16:49where I felt like I had to be around
16:50people. I think I live a very social
16:52life and my job is very social. So, I
16:56was, you know, kind of conditioned to
16:58want to be around people a lot. And then
17:01as, you know, the pandemic came around,
17:03you're not around as many people
17:05anymore. And now I'm just re-enjoying
17:06being by myself, which is really cool.
17:09Yeah. And um I had the most I had the
17:11best day on Sunday all by myself. I got
17:13up. I went and rode my horses. I like um
17:17took my niece to ride her pony.
17:20Just me and her. It was so nice. Brought
17:22her back home, went to my house, got in
17:24my cold plunge, went in my pool, laid
17:25out, journaled. Like, I was having the
17:28best day and I was just pretty much all
17:29by myself. So, I I enjoyed it so much.
17:32that. I'm sure that's so refreshing for
17:33people to hear, too, because I feel like
17:35people may, from the outside, perceive a
17:37life, which obviously, like you said,
17:38for work, it's busy and it's social. And
17:40of course, you have wonderful friends,
17:42but to know that you can feel
17:43comfortable in your own company, and
17:45that's been a habit that you've
17:46developed over time.
17:47I crave simple things. Like, I I love my
17:50life and I love my job and I I feel so
17:54fortunate that I have been placed here,
17:57that for some reason, I was given this
17:58life. Like, I feel immensely grateful
18:02for that. And I have had so much fun.
18:04And I like think back on just the
18:05experience that I've had the experiences
18:07that I've had this far. And it's like
18:09it's like a shocking to me. I'm like,
18:11this is so freaking cool that I live
18:13this life. But at the end of the day,
18:15like when I am home and when I'm alone,
18:16like I crave the simple things. I love a
18:18simple day. I love just like a simple
18:21routine and being to myself and being
18:24around the people that I love, my small
18:26core crew. So. Yeah. That's beautiful.
18:28Yeah, I mean, that's I think that's what
18:29we're all striving for is that passion
18:31in our careers and our work and then the
18:34simplicity at home. What would you say I
18:36I was thinking about this and I've
18:37watched so many of your interviews and
18:39and read so much, too, but what would
18:41you say for you has been one of your
18:43like proudest moments or greatest
18:45achievements or something that you
18:46really feel like, and internally I mean,
18:48like for for the basis of our
18:49conversation, like something that really
18:51brings you joy internally when you think
18:53about it or when you when you had it?
18:55Like I said, I look back and the things
18:58that I've accomplished, just even my
19:00job. Like, I think I really, at one
19:03point, when I was younger, decided I
19:06want to be a model and this is what I
19:07want to do. And the fact that I
19:09executed, cuz we talk about that
19:10determination, like I really was I was
19:1314 years old when I kind of made that
19:15decision and was like, this is what I
19:17want to do and I went to my mom and I
19:18was like, please help me do this. And
19:21I didn't stop until I was 24
19:25that I was like, okay, I think I need to
19:27like take it back a notch, which we can
19:29also get into cuz that's a very
19:30Yeah. kind of dramatic story, but like I
19:34I just knew and I think I'm proud of
19:36myself for being that kid and being
19:39determined to do that and then executing
19:41and doing it to the to the level that I
19:43had done it and that I I guess I still
19:45do. But I I also am proud of
19:49I think more so the self-work that I've
19:52done within that process cuz there was a
19:55long period of time, I'd say the core
19:58five years of it that I was extremely
20:01overworked,
20:02not my happiest, not because I wasn't
20:05doing what I loved, but just because I
20:07was overwhelmed and I was I felt like I
20:10was saying yes to everything cuz I felt
20:12really, really grateful and really
20:13honored to be in the position that I was
20:15in, so I was always saying yes.
20:18And it just took a lot out of me to the
20:20point where
20:21I just wasn't happy anymore. And so I
20:24had to set those boundaries for myself
20:26when I was about 23, 24. I'd say like
20:29what, a year before the pandemic, so
20:30yeah, I was probably 23. I really set
20:33boundaries for myself and I was like, I
20:35want to continue to do this cuz this is
20:36what I love,
20:37but I need to start saying no when I can
20:41and prioritizing
20:43me and prioritizing like,
20:46you know, my happiness and my
20:48well-being. Yeah. And it has done
20:50wonders for me. Like I feel like I can
20:53show up better for myself and I can show
20:56up a better person for the people that
20:58get to be around me that day and you
21:00know, that I work with on that day, so
21:02Yeah.
21:03Yeah. So
21:04what I'm proud of. Sorry I didn't give
21:06you a long answer to your question.
21:09I won't say hoping for that because I
21:11I'm always open to wherever anyone's
21:13life experience goes, but there's a part
21:14of me that loves hearing that. Like, I
21:16really appreciate hearing that because
21:18when you've achieved so many incredible
21:19things in your career, which you have,
21:21to then say, "Well, this is the part,
21:22like knowing how to navigate it or
21:24making the right choices at the right
21:26time." Healthy balance.
21:28balance, yeah.
21:29important. It's important for all of us.
21:31Yeah. Like, we have to This is what
21:33we're prioritizing, you know? Yeah. How
21:35did you find the courage to do that at
21:37the 23 mark as you're saying? You're in
21:40a competitive industry. As you said, it
21:42was overworking. It's fast-paced. I'm
21:45guessing there's comparison in that
21:47industry. There's competition in that
21:48industry. It's not an easy space to be.
21:51You're Of course. you know, you're in
21:52the top 0.01% in your industry. So, it's
21:55it's hard.
21:57And the reason I asked this is because I
21:58work with so many people in this space,
22:00and to have the courage to say, "No, I
22:03know that if I saw this out, then all of
22:06this is going to be just fine." That
22:08actually takes more courage than we
22:10recognize. We realize that when you have
22:12nothing, then there's nothing to lose.
22:14You can actually have a lot of courage.
22:15But when you have everything and there's
22:16everything to lose, and a lot of the
22:18time, at least what I've heard in in
22:20town is,
22:21you know, older managers and agents, and
22:23I'm not saying you have any of this, but
22:24people that I know will be told, "Well,
22:26hey, if you don't do this, like, you'll
22:27be forgotten next year or, you know,
22:29your your career's only going to last
22:30another 6 months." How did you have that
22:32courage to say, "No, no, no, I need to
22:34do this"? Like, where did that come
22:35from? And I think that it's like, I've
22:37never thought about it that way, to be
22:39completely honest with you. I just knew
22:42that if I had gone any further, that I
22:44was going to lose myself. I was at that
22:47very I was on the teeter-totter edge of
22:51that point where
22:53had I gone any further, I was probably
22:56not going to be great. It was so
22:58important to me
23:00to feel good that I just knew that it
23:03was something that I had to do, and I
23:05can't say like
23:07you're absolutely right. Like there were
23:10so many people around me that had told
23:13me not to say no, and told or told me
23:16yeah, told me not to say no, told me not
23:18to stop. I fought my way out of it a
23:20little bit because there were people
23:22that had worked for me that, you know,
23:24didn't
23:25want me to stop cuz it might have
23:26benefited them.
23:27Of course.
23:28But I got to that point and I just knew
23:30I had to do it and I I just I don't
23:32know. I don't know how to explain it, I
23:34guess.
23:34Yeah. It was just such an unbelievable
23:36sensation that I had where I knew that
23:39if I do this, I'm going to be better for
23:41everyone, and I'm going to be better for
23:42myself, which means I'm going to be
23:43better for the people around me. And I
23:45have to do this. And so, it wasn't
23:48really
23:49I want to be able to live
23:51with happiness, God forbid any of this
23:54ever went away. And I think that that
23:57was a big moment for me of being like,
23:59I'm going to be okay Mhm.
24:01if I don't get this job tomorrow. And
24:02I'm going to be okay if I don't get that
24:05job in a month. If I have to take this
24:06time to do whatever, things will come,
24:08everything's going to work out the way
24:10it's supposed to, and I had to trust
24:11that. So.
24:12Yeah. Well, to me from the outside and
24:14it's it's beautiful that you didn't see
24:15it in yourself because that almost makes
24:17it even more wonderful. But the idea
24:19that to me from the outside, that's a
24:20lot of courage. Yeah. Thank you.
24:21it takes a lot of courage, it takes a
24:23lot of vulnerability and openness, and
24:25and it takes courage at every level,
24:27whether someone's thinking about
24:29quitting their job to do something they
24:30love, or whether someone's trying to
24:32relocate their family and doesn't know
24:34how, or whether someone like you is
24:36feeling success but then going, "Well,
24:37wait a minute." And I think in the past
24:39few years we've seen athletes and
24:41musicians and actors and people in all
24:43creative industries step back and say,
24:45"Well, I need to put me first."
24:46Yeah. And I think that that's empowering
24:49Mhm. because I think we hear about
24:50burnout in work culture and corporate
24:53culture so often.
24:55So what what what was it that you
24:57started to do with that new found time
24:59at that time? Like where was Is that
25:01where the curio- Was the curiosity
25:02always there and now you could actually
25:04follow it?
25:05It was. It was It was always there and I
25:08had had a lot of people coming to me
25:10telling me about meditation and how it
25:12changed their life and therapy and so
25:15many different things and I was a bit
25:18overwhelmed cuz I was like, "Oh my god,
25:19what if this is going to suit me?" I
25:21think it's a very personal experience. I
25:23think everybody has a very different
25:25version of all of that stuff and so it
25:28was a little overwhelming. So, I think I
25:29really just took the time to be off for
25:31a second. It was even the little things.
25:33It was like being able to go to my
25:35friend's birthday party which I wouldn't
25:36have been able to go to before cuz I was
25:39working a lot.
25:39I I love hearing that because I think it
25:41is those simple things like
25:43you know, giving yourself that space
25:45whatever it is that you needed to do
25:47when you needed it and and like you
25:49said, sometimes it's like that's when
25:51all the subscribe buttons come up in
25:52front of you and it's like, "Try this
25:53and try this." And it's like, "Well, no,
25:54no, no, let me just take my time." It
25:57was also now that I think about it,
25:5923, I'm 26, I've had my horse for So,
26:03around that time is when I bought the
26:06horse that I have now
26:08who is my like I I jump her and I like
26:11how I I have a two other horses but
26:13they're like retired so I don't really
26:15ride them the same way I ride her. So,
26:17yeah, I guess it was around that time
26:18too that I was like, "I'm going to do
26:20this cuz I love this." And like I want
26:22to get back into it and this is what
26:23I've loved my whole life. So, so it was
26:25around that time that I feel like all of
26:27that started happening and I bought my
26:28horse and I like started taking more
26:30time for things that made me really
26:32happy. Yeah, what what I what I'm
26:34noticing in you and observing or at
26:36least from just these
26:38No, in a good way. In a good way. It's
26:40all good.
26:41I was just saying it's like it feels
26:42like no matter what's happening in your
26:44orbit, there's this pillar of belief
26:46that
26:47it's important to be happy. Like it you
26:50know, that's like this core center
26:51belief in your life where it's something
26:52that's important to be happy. It's
26:53important to be happy. It's
26:55that has to be the goal. For sure. And
26:58you know, it's not always easy. We live
27:03in such an interesting industry and in
27:06such an interesting time with social
27:08media that it can be very hard
27:11sometimes.
27:12You can fall victim to so many things
27:15that
27:16don't serve you and that don't make you
27:18happy. If your happiness depends on the
27:22actions of others,
27:24you know, you're at mercy of things that
27:26you can't control. Mhm. And that's never
27:29where I want to be. So I I always want
27:31to live in like
27:33me and my therapist talk about like my
27:34higher goddess, my higher self. Like I
27:37always want to live there knowing that
27:40you know, when I'm there, you can't take
27:42that away from me. Yeah. That That's
27:44mine and no matter what you can disagree
27:46with me, you can agree with me. That's
27:48not going my I'm not changing. I'm not
27:50shifting. I'm here. I'm in my higher
27:52goddess. So I kind of
27:55I always live by like
27:57keep holding my happiness and not
27:59letting anyone else affect it. And
28:01though I fall victim to it at times,
28:03yeah. we as we all probably do,
28:05Absolutely. I um I strive every day to
28:07live in that place. So What are What are
28:09some of the qualities of your higher
28:11goddess or that that kind of uh avatar
28:14like
28:14She's awesome.
28:16Like I said, I don't love a pity party.
28:18I also like, you know, sometimes it
28:20feels weird to like say good things
28:22about yourself, but I've also learned a
28:24lot about talking to myself and a lot
28:26about looking in the mirror and being
28:27like, "You're great. You're gorgeous.
28:30You're amazing. You're loyal. You're
28:32positive. You're so many Like I love
28:35words of affirmation. I love just
28:37sitting there and reassuring myself of
28:39who I am because that's another thing
28:43for me. You know, there's
28:45so many false narratives about me, about
28:47all of us, I'm sure. Like, so many
28:50people think they have you figured out
28:52when they don't even know the half of
28:54it. So, sitting there and being like,
28:57you know, you get frustrated sometimes.
28:58It could feel really unfair. You could
29:00be reading something that someone is
29:01saying about you or hearing something
29:03that someone's saying about you and
29:04being like, that is so unfair cuz that's
29:06not who I am. And that really gets to me
29:09sometimes and that really sucks.
29:11But then looking at myself in the mirror
29:13and being like, but I know who I am.
29:15Mhm. And that's all Why does anything
29:16else matter? And my friends know who I
29:19am. And my family knows who I am. My dog
29:21knows who I am. My horse knows who I am.
29:23Like, why does any of everything else is
29:25just noise? I I do this exercise. I
29:28don't think I've shared this before, but
29:29I do this exercise with some of my
29:31clients where we'll go on a walk and
29:32we'll be on a hike wherever we are. And
29:35I'll ask them what they think a piece
29:38of, you know, maybe there's a little
29:40leaf or maybe there's some a flower or
29:42something that looks a little unique on
29:44the path. And I'll say, "What do you
29:45think that feels like? And what do you
29:48think it would feel like if you picked
29:49it up in your hand?"
29:51Mhm. And they'll be like, "Oh, it looks
29:52really rough and like it might scratch
29:54me and like it looks like a bit, you
29:56know, like uneven or whatever and looks
29:59kind of hard and strong." And then I'll
30:01ask them to pick it up. And nine times
30:03out of 10,
30:05it's completely different. Like, they'll
30:06pick it up and it'll just dissolve in
30:08their hands or they'll turn it over and
30:10the color's really soft. And sorry, the
30:12shape the shape's really soft and the
30:14color's totally different on the other
30:15side. And I do that exercise to help us
30:18realize just how multifaceted humans
30:20are. Like, today I've got to meet you
30:21and and obviously we're spending a lot
30:23of deep, intimate, vulnerable time
30:24together. So, you learn faster about
30:26someone, but if someone only follows
30:28someone on social media or only sees
30:30someone at an event or only sees one
30:32interview, it's so easy to create such a
30:35singular view of someone.
30:36Right. And I think and I want to say
30:39this because I really think we all feel
30:40it. I don't think anyone wants to be
30:42seen Mhm. in a singular way. Mhm. If you
30:46had to choose one word that had to be
30:48you for the rest of your life, I don't
30:50think anyone wants that. I think we all
30:52know that we're messy and complex and
30:55and different.
30:56Of course.
30:57But we like to put someone else in a
30:59box, whoever that may be,
31:00Mhm.
31:01because it's easier then to live life
31:03and say, "Okay, well, that's person's A,
31:05B." Right.
31:06You know, so there's this beautiful
31:08piece of wisdom that I always share from
31:10Charles Horton Cooley, and he wrote this
31:12in 1890, I think it was, which just
31:15shows how true this has been for such a
31:17long time, and obviously long before
31:19that as well.
31:20And he said, "The challenge today is I'm
31:23not what I think I am. I'm not what you
31:25think I am. I am what I think you think
31:29I am."
31:30And we'll let that blow everyone's mind
31:32for I it gives me chills every time I
31:33say it.
31:34He uh Charles Horton Cooley said, "The
31:36challenge today is I'm not what I think
31:38I am. I'm not what you think I am.
31:41I am what I think you think I am." And
31:45what he's trying to say is that we live
31:46in a perception of a perception of
31:49ourselves. So, if I think you think I'm
31:51smart, then I allow myself to feel
31:54smart.
31:54Right. It's like we need that
31:56validation.
31:57Or if I think you think I'm not smart,
32:01then I feel hurt.
32:02Yeah. And and the challenge is I don't
32:04know what you're thinking at all, or
32:05especially outside in the world. And so
32:07I find that what you're saying around
32:09like, "Well, what do I think about
32:09myself?"
32:10Mhm. Like, how do I feel about myself?
32:12How do the people that actually know me
32:13Mhm. feel about me? I think that's
32:15really empowering. I wanted to ask you
32:17because I feel like from from what I've
32:19seen and from what I've heard, you have
32:20you have great friendships. You have a
32:21great relationship with your families,
32:23you said. Like, what do you think have
32:24been really great habits or traits in
32:28relationships that have helped you build
32:29up good friendships and and family
32:31relations? Because I think for so many
32:32people, sometimes their friendships and
32:35their family can often be the most
32:36difficult part. but
32:38I feel like the way you communicate or
32:39the way you're talking about it, I'm
32:40like, "Okay, there's some really good
32:41habits in place here." Have there been
32:43any principles or rules that you've
32:45learned along the way that have been
32:47helpful? I mean, of course, honesty.
32:49Um I'm a big person on like keeping a
32:52really honest, healthy, communicative
32:55relationship. Um
32:57but I also think like I find it really
33:00important to have
33:02not feel like you're on top of each
33:03other when you have your family around
33:05or your friends around. It's okay to
33:07like sometimes even if you're at like a
33:09family dinner running to the bathroom
33:11and just be like, "Let me just take a
33:11couple breaths
33:13because this is getting overwhelming."
33:14Do you know what I mean? So, I just love
33:16to like
33:17take a second. My feelings are valid.
33:20Like sometimes my family's a lot, which
33:22I bet everyone already knows. So, just
33:24everyone's families are have a sense of
33:26crazy to them. But But I think that I
33:29can get really overwhelmed really
33:30easily. I am prone to just, you know,
33:34a good amount of anxiety and just being
33:36extremely overwhelmed and kind of taking
33:38everything too seriously sometimes. So,
33:40I like to just step away sometimes and
33:41just be like, "This is okay. I'm allowed
33:44to feel this way. It's valid. I'm just
33:45going to take a deep breath and I'm not
33:46going to react and then I'm going to go
33:47back out there and I'm going to be
33:48fine." That's a great idea.
33:51I love that. I love how easy it is. You
33:52don't need to No one needs to learn a
33:54new meditation practice. So, a new
33:56thing. That's That's so accessible.
33:58Yeah, it's as simple as that. Yeah.
34:00I you know, one of the things that, you
34:03know, when it which which really touched
34:04my heart when I saw this because I think
34:06when
34:07things happen in culture and and
34:08everyone talks about it, but but
34:10sometimes you're like, "Okay, well, I
34:11can tell that there's a real connection
34:12here." Like when when you lost Virgil.
34:14Mhm. Right? Like that when I when I saw
34:16your message and what you spoke about
34:18it, I was like, "Wow, this is this is
34:20someone who had a really deep connection
34:21with this individual." And going through
34:22grief is really, really tough. Like, you
34:25know, people who lose and I lost uh two
34:27really close people to me during the
34:28pandemic. I'm sorry. One was Thank you.
34:31One was One was my spiritual teacher
34:33since I was 12 years old and he died of
34:36stage four brain cancer and I hadn't
34:37seen him
34:39during the pandemic. I couldn't go back
34:40for his because that was still when it
34:41was like tight lockdown. So, I couldn't
34:43go back for his funeral.
34:45And, you know, he'd been the person
34:47who'd been such a key piece of my life.
34:49And then the other person, pretty much
34:51in the same year, was my best friend as
34:55a monk. So, he was still a monk. And and
34:57he having to get cancer and he passed
34:59away during the pandemic. I couldn't see
35:00him either. And he was my age and so to
35:02lose someone that was, you know, he was
35:04still there. And so, yeah, and so and so
35:06when I saw your,
35:08you know, your wonderful tribute to
35:10Virgil as well, I was like, you know,
35:12how how how do you process something
35:14like that when, you know, it's not only
35:16industry friends but genuine friendship
35:18beyond that and just
35:20Well, my first thought here is, why is
35:22it always the best people? Like, why is
35:24it always these people that are just
35:26such balls of light in everyone's life.
35:29It's like so, you just think about it
35:31and you're like, this is so unfair and
35:33you're going through every emotion and
35:36to be honest, it was really shocking cuz
35:39not everyone knew what he was
35:42going through and suffering from. So, it
35:44was really shocking.
35:46I'll never forget the day I found out
35:48and
35:50it just absolutely obviously breaks your
35:53heart and
35:56you can't help but be like, oh my god,
35:58did I did I ever say enough? Did I ever
36:01tell him enough? It's really interesting
36:04to share that feeling with so many
36:06people. It feels good in a way and
36:09you're just like, everyone it makes you
36:11feel so human and you're sharing this
36:13emotion with people that knew him,
36:15people that didn't know him, people that
36:17just loved him from afar and it's just a
36:20really
36:22beautiful and incredible thing to a
36:24certain degree but then also just
36:26obviously the most
36:28devastating thing. It hits so hard when
36:31so many people are talking about it and
36:33so many people are affected by it. So,
36:35it was definitely, um,
36:37a really shocking,
36:39really sad time. Yeah.
36:41It was, yeah. Yeah, and those and and
36:44it's really interesting what you said
36:45there is like why and and I had that
36:46with my spiritual teacher for sure. I
36:47was just like
36:49like he was, you know, and and what's
36:52really powerful about what I could at
36:55least remember from him at the time was
36:56that even though he had stage four brain
36:58cancer, which means he'd lost his
37:00short-term memory and a lot of his
37:02long-term memory was impaired, if you
37:04ever met him, he would just thank you
37:07for your service to God. Like he would
37:08just say, "Thank you for everything
37:10you're doing for other people." And he
37:11would just be grateful.
37:13And I was just like, "How
37:14how V was, too. He was the most
37:17positive,
37:19lived life, like, appreciative, wanted
37:23to say yes to everything, wanted to just
37:26be there for everyone. You could
37:29literally ask him to design a pencil for
37:31you and he would be like, "Oh, it'll be
37:32done tomorrow. What do you need What
37:34else do you need?" Like, he just had so
37:37much to give and he gave it. And that
37:40wasn't That was pre-his diagnosis. That
37:43was like That was just who Virgil was.
37:46And so, to then find out what he found
37:49out at a certain point in his life and
37:50still be that person and still like,
37:52"I'm going to show up for everyone." And
37:54like,
37:55"My time here is so special to all these
37:57other people and I'm going to just like
37:59be here to make them feel amazing." It's
38:02just like unreal. Like it makes you just
38:05feel like, "What?" Yeah. Like, how how?
38:08You're How could you be that incredible
38:10and giving? Like that is so crazy. There
38:12wasn't a selfish bone in that man's
38:14body. Like he was just the best. Yeah,
38:16and and But I'm sorry to hear about your
38:18Oh, no, no. I I think it's it's actually
38:20nice speaking about people that we both
38:22love in in a sim- in a in a similar way
38:24even though we're in such different
38:25places in life doing very different
38:27things. But they to talk about someone's
38:30and I think that's a big part of it for
38:31me at least with grief that I feel like
38:33when I talk about the beautiful
38:34qualities of the people that I lost, it
38:38gives me so much confidence that
38:41they want me to live it and they want me
38:43to try and embody it and that how
38:45fortunate we are to have experienced
38:47that type of humanity.
38:49Yeah. Like you know too
38:50And those are my thoughts of him. Like I
38:52think all we ever really want as human
38:54beings is to be you know when we do
38:56leave this earth we want to be
38:57remembered so beautifully and positive-
39:00positively. I know at least I do of
39:02course but like you just want you of
39:05course want to make people feel
39:06something and he made so many people
39:09feel something and for that it is so
39:11special. Like what do they say that we
39:13you know we have our purpose here and I
39:15know that he fulfilled a purpose here
39:17that he was supposed to fulfill and I
39:19think that that's I think about it
39:22beautifully. Like I obviously it's a
39:24very very sad situation and it and it
39:27breaks my heart but I have nothing but
39:30beautiful thoughts of him and I think
39:32that's really cool and really special.
39:34So Yeah. You thank you for sharing that
39:36too and I I I have to ask you because
39:38yeah I just I feel I I love hearing
39:40amazing things about amazing people that
39:42you know because I think so many of the
39:44most incredible people I grew up reading
39:46about people that I never met and I
39:48spent a lot of my life studying books
39:50about people that I never met so Malcolm
39:51X and Martin Luther King and Einstein
39:54and people that I really see as people
39:56that have directed so much of my life
39:59from how they lived and I feel like he
40:02was potentially one of those people that
40:03I never met him but whenever I hear
40:05about him I'm just like oh this is
40:07someone that we could learn from.
40:09You spoke about purpose there. I was
40:11wondering how is your purpose changed?
40:12You had this very
40:14confident view of a I want to be a
40:16model, you know, you've you've
40:17superseded, exceeded, and continue to
40:19flourish in that world, and I and I
40:21always wish that you do. How has your
40:23purpose evolved as that time's gone on?
40:26I think I've learned a lot. I've learned
40:28a lot about myself, about what I want
40:31from my life, and which is kind of what
40:32we've been talking about, but um I'm
40:35actually really excited to get older and
40:38to learn so much more about not only
40:41myself, but like the journey and the
40:44path that I I guess want to take and
40:46want to be on. So, I'd say, you know, my
40:50purpose has evolved from obviously
40:53within business, doing what I want to
40:55do, and making sure I'm happy, and
40:58finding the thing that I love, and all
40:59those things, but I've kind of like I
41:02said, really tuned into me, and I think
41:05my purpose, at least at this very
41:06moment, and what I've kind of evolved
41:08into is
41:09is my higher goddess. Like, I am
41:11determined to tune into her at all
41:13times, but also
41:16as I get older, I have so much that I
41:18want to connect
41:22with other people, and with, you know,
41:24aka social media, and people that may
41:27not know me personally,
41:29and just, you know, the following. Like
41:30I said, I was given this life for some
41:33reason. For whatever reason I was placed
41:35here, and I do feel a purpose to
41:39share, and connect, and put a smile on
41:42people's faces, or make someone feel a
41:44positive feeling, and so I think that
41:47within me wanting to achieve me tuning
41:50into my higher goddess, I think that
41:51also entails me being a
41:54great version of myself for other people
41:56to then
41:58experience, and my tips, and my tools,
42:01and whatever I can share, whatever help
42:03I can give. I I really
42:05you know, as corny as it sounds, I want
42:07to spread love Like I want people to
42:09feel love. I That's really, I guess, the
42:12purpose. Yeah. That's That's beautiful.
42:14I mean, what more could you ask for?
42:15Yeah. Right.
42:16Yeah. And And And it is funny that so
42:18much of the stuff that is corny or, you
42:20know, whatever, that's the stuff that's
42:21true. Like, that's the stuff that It is.
42:24Like, there's also just We all just like
42:26live in such a It's an interesting time,
42:29obviously, and it can feel really
42:31negative. Yeah. And I tend to stay off
42:34of platforms like social media platforms
42:37because it's hard to look at sometimes,
42:39and it feels really negative. So, I feel
42:41like we all just need a little bit of a
42:42smile sometimes. I agree. I agree. I I
42:45post these uh
42:47videos every day, which are just these
42:49fun, silly things that happen in the
42:51world that my my team will find, I'll
42:53find, and I post them every day
42:54literally for that reason and that
42:56reason only because I'm like, I may or
42:58may say may or may not say something
43:00that makes someone smile. Right.
43:01But this definitely will. Like, this
43:03this without a doubt will bring some joy
43:05to someone's life. And if if this is the
43:07only joy that someone experienced, I
43:08want them to see good in the world
43:10Mhm. and believe that there's good in
43:11the world.
43:11That's one of my favorite things to see
43:13on um Tik Tok. When I sit in my bed at
43:15night and fall victim to Tik Tok, I love
43:17to see There's people that will post
43:19like um here's like five amazing facts
43:22that have happened in the world in the
43:24last couple weeks or whatever, and it'll
43:25be like the you know, pandas are not
43:28extinct anymore, and like the Great
43:30Barrier Reef is coming back, and stuff
43:32like that. And so, I'm like, that's so
43:33cool. That's what I want to hear.
43:35Exactly. And And, you know, if it was
43:37like it's going down, it's like it's
43:39going to get a lot of likes and hits,
43:40but if it's going up, it doesn't get the
43:42same attention. Yeah.
43:43do we like gravitate towards the
43:45negative so much? Like
43:47I know. very interesting.
43:49I I genuinely believe it's just a
43:51pattern. It's a pattern and a habit
43:53that's been adopted for so long.
43:55And we have to retrain ourselves.
43:58of it all and the whole thing, and we're
44:00like, that's going downhill. I need to
44:02see what's happening, and we just like
44:05we do need to retrain our brains. It's
44:07exactly what it is. Yeah, and it starts
44:09with what you said earlier. It starts
44:10with how we see ourselves.
44:11Mhm. It is all from that. If someone
44:13looks in the mirror, as you were saying
44:15earlier, or if someone just reflects on
44:17themselves, not in a physically, but
44:19just internally.
44:20Yeah.
44:22Most of us will spot all the negative
44:24things about ourself, and then we take
44:26that out into the world and spot all the
44:27negative things about everyone else. And
44:29then we take that out into social media
44:31and So, that just propels from
44:34if you ask
44:34a reflection of yourself.
44:36If we ask someone to sit down and write
44:37down, as you said, we feel uncomfortable
44:39taking a compliment, or we feel
44:41uncomfortable saying something Saying
44:42nice about ourselves, right?
44:43Exactly. And so, it all starts with our
44:45relationship with ourself. If we were
44:47able to find
44:48three good things about ourselves today,
44:51I promise you you're going to find three
44:52good things about the person sitting in
44:53front of you, and and that will Right,
44:55exactly.
44:56I do a lot of like inner inner child
44:59work with my um therapist, and there's
45:02actually a trend on TikTok that was
45:04going around, but um coincidentally
45:06enough, we ended up naturally speaking
45:07about it in my session, and it was like
45:09this trend on TikTok, I guess, that was
45:11like um
45:13like a girl being like, "Anytime you're
45:15being mean to yourself, just think this
45:17is who you're talking about." And then
45:19it flashes to like a photo of her as a
45:20kid. Yeah. And so, I me and my therapist
45:23were talking about something similar,
45:25and she was like, "Why don't you find
45:26like a photo of yourself and put it on
45:28your bathroom mirror, so that every
45:30morning, every night, every day when you
45:32walk into your bathroom mirror, you're
45:34looking at her and you're remembering
45:35that if there's anything negative that
45:36you're ever saying about yourself, if
45:38you're being mean to yourself, you're
45:39talking about her." And so, I did that,
45:42and I went into my um I went into like
45:44my memorabilia closet in my house, and I
45:46was looking through old like photo
45:48books, and I've seen these photo books
45:49my whole life. I've literally seen every
45:51photo that's been in here, and I like
45:53flipped to a page, and there was a photo
45:55I'd never seen of myself, ever. It was a
45:57Polaroid, so it was the original photo,
46:00and it was just me as a little girl with
46:02a bow in my hair and a dress on and I
46:04have like a little alien tattoo or
46:05something right here and I'm like have
46:07this big cheesy smile on my face and I
46:09was like that's the photo I'm putting on
46:11my thing. I can show you the photo
46:12later. I have a picture of it on my
46:13phone but um so I pasted it on my
46:16bathroom mirror and I talked to her and
46:19I'm always like if I'm ever looking in
46:20the mirror and being negative towards
46:22myself or anything I'm I always look
46:23right over to her and I'm like she's
46:25dope and I love her and so it's just
46:28another way of just self-love.
46:30that. That's such a great tool. That's
46:31such a great tool. My team found a kid
46:33picture of me and made an embarrassing
46:34version of that trend so I'll show you
46:36that too but Oh awesome. Okay, so you
46:38know it.
46:38Yeah, I know exactly I know exactly what
46:40you're talking about as well. Kedo, you
46:42saying earlier that you know you you
46:44wanted to come here and you you wanted
46:45to share and you manifested and you
46:47there were things you wanted to share.
46:48What is it that's on your heart that
46:50you've wanted to share that maybe we
46:51didn't go there today already or is
46:53there something on your mind and heart
46:54as an experience or a any anything that
46:57really drew you here and made this
46:59happen right? Like
47:01I want to honor that. I think we've
47:03obviously we've honestly touched a lot
47:05of what I felt like I would have loved
47:07to get off my heart. I don't know. I was
47:09really excited honestly to come here
47:12and share a little bit of me that I feel
47:17is very sometimes scary for me to share
47:20and um like I said I came in here and I
47:22was a little nervous cuz this is
47:23important to me and like this part of
47:27you know everyone's journey and and what
47:29we're talking about today is is so
47:31important. I really that was I guess my
47:33intention here today was to come in and
47:35share a little bit of me and maybe for
47:38whoever's watching they find some
47:40comfort in this or some joy from this or
47:43they understand me a little bit more.
47:45You know what I mean? So I think that
47:47we've hit a lot of really cool points
47:49and yeah, I mean I feel I feel really
47:51good. Good. I wanted to honor that. I I
47:54asked that because you know I think it I
47:56think when when you feel you're in that
47:58flow with someone and yeah, I I feel
48:00like, you know, we've learned so many
48:01new things about you today and there's
48:03so many moments where I'm like I just
48:04feel like you're so comfortable and and
48:07you've been so open with us, but I just
48:08wanted to honor that.
48:09Thank you. Thank you so much.
48:10that you've really felt heard and seen
48:12and I appreciate that. Thank you.
48:14I want to be mindful
48:15We all want to just be understood at the
48:17end of the day. So.
48:18I think the closer you get to people,
48:22humans, the closer you get to people of
48:25different backgrounds and different
48:26walks of life,
48:28the more you start to recognize how
48:30similar we all are.
48:31Yeah, exactly.
48:32how many challenges we all share,
48:35despite how much money someone has in
48:37the bank, despite how much fame someone
48:38has, despite how much followers someone
48:40has.
48:40Right.
48:40And what we find is that everyone feels
48:42their own guilt for where they are and
48:44everyone feels their own pressure for
48:46where they are and everyone feels their
48:48own challenge for where they are and you
48:49just start to realize that we all have
48:51the same emotions
48:52Exactly.
48:53in different mixes.
48:55Yeah, we're all just having a human
48:56experience.
48:57Exactly.
48:57We're all just going day by day.
49:00I think we all need to be a little bit
49:01kinder to each other and just take it
49:04easy on some people.
49:05Yeah, yeah. Cuz we are. We're all We all
49:07have our own struggles and um
49:10I don't know. I'm I'm an empath, so I
49:12like feel for things and I feel for
49:15people and
49:16um yeah. Yeah, and it starts with you.
49:19The the person Yeah, it starts with you.
49:21I thought you meant me. I was like, I
49:22don't know I don't know if I have that
49:23power.
49:25I was like, thank you. No, no, no, I
49:26meant I meant that to to our listeners
49:28like it starts with It starts with
49:29yourself. Like if if you can be kinder
49:32to yourself, chances are you're going to
49:33be I I found that the days I stopped
49:36judging myself, I stopped judging others
49:38because it it changed how I saw
49:41humanity. So.
49:42Uh Kendall, we end every On Purpose
49:44episode with a Final Five, which is a
49:46fast five round. I ask you a question
49:49and you answer it uh with a one word or
49:52one sentence maximum. So it's super
49:53quick and short.
49:54Okay. And we have to whisk you away cuz
49:56you need to you need to go to your next
49:57appointment.
49:58But okay, so the first question is
50:01what's something you're curious about
50:02right now? Ooh,
50:05um
50:05I am super curious about I was saying
50:10how I love um Michael Singer and I think
50:13what I really love I'm reading their
50:15surrender experiment right now and I'm
50:16only in the first couple chapters. So
50:18he's basically This is not a quick
50:19answer. I love it though. Please,
50:21please. He's basically at the first part
50:23of the book where he's talking about how
50:25he was curious about meditation and how
50:28he got into meditation and how he really
50:29just was like on a trip with his friends
50:31and his girlfriend in the woods and like
50:33sat in a corner and or sat at a tree and
50:35was like, I'm going to just really dive
50:36into this and see what happens. That's
50:38what I'm curious about right now. It's
50:39just actually like I meditate, I do a
50:42lot of breathing work, breathing
50:43exercises, and I just really want to tap
50:45in Yeah. like Michael Singer did. I love
50:48that. That's beautiful. That's a great
50:49answer. That's a great answer.
50:51Second question, if there's anything
50:52that you're working on personally right
50:54now, what are you working on on
50:55yourself? Is there any Yes. Um I'm
50:57working on
50:59I'm working on boundaries and I'm
51:01working on not mis-stresser. Like I can
51:05stress about things in my mind and I
51:08overthink and I just so I'm really
51:10working on like calming down and just
51:13letting things flow better and not being
51:16so controlling over things, especially
51:18that I can't control. Love it. Uh
51:20question number three, uh what's your
51:22favorite thing about founding 818? Ooh,
51:26um
51:26an entrepreneur, being a founder.
51:28Probably that. Like I I, you know, was a
51:31model and I worked for people a lot. I
51:34kind of love being my own boss and
51:36really being able to have my own
51:38creative
51:40a place where I can
51:41be creative and just really express my
51:44creativity and have so much fun doing
51:46all of that creative stuff and I've
51:48learned so much and learning about the
51:50culture and learning about the tequila
51:52and everything. Like I've just had the
51:53best time, so. Love that. Question
51:56number four, what's something you used
51:57to value but you don't value anymore?
52:00Validation. Mhm.
52:03Great answer.
52:04care anymore.
52:05Great answer. At least I'm telling
52:07myself that.
52:07Yes, yeah. Well, we have to make it a
52:09thought first. Right. No, but it it's
52:11true. Like I used to care so much more
52:13about validation. I really don't care
52:16anymore. I'm so happy for you to hear
52:17that.
52:18Uh fifth and final question, if you
52:20could create one law that everyone in
52:22the world had to follow, what would it
52:23be?
52:24Ooh, I would do like on like a Sunday
52:28you have to take half the day and like
52:30not look at your phone or something.
52:32I love that. That's a legit law. That's
52:34great. Right. That'd be kind of nice. Or
52:36the full day for being really crazy. I
52:39love that idea. I love that. Kendall
52:41Jenner everyone. This was amazing.
52:43Kendall, this Thank you.
52:44honestly
52:46and I'm excited to catch up afterwards,
52:47too. But this there was just so much
52:49flow and synergy in this whole thing
52:51happening and I couldn't thank you more
52:52for Thank you.
52:53doing this with me here on On Purpose.
52:56And I hope that this is the first of
52:58many times that we do this,
52:59That's not bad. beginning of a beautiful
53:01friendship
53:02and relationship and uh For sure. I want
53:04to Everyone who's been listening or
53:05watching back at home, please let me and
53:08Kendall know, tag us letting us know
53:09what resonated with you, what connected
53:11with you, like what was it that you've
53:13got curious about or what was something
53:15she said that just shifted your
53:17perspective or where you learned
53:18something new. I'd love to hear it. I
53:19know there were tons of moments for me
53:21where
53:22I was listening going, this is amazing.
53:24This is incredible. This is awesome. So
53:25any wisdom nuggets that stuck out to
53:27you, please let us know cuz I love
53:29seeing what made a difference in your
53:31life as well. And a big thank you to
53:34Kendall for opening her heart and
53:36opening up her mind as well.
53:37I'm honored. Thank you so much.
53:39you so much.
53:40Thank you.
53:40That was amazing. If you want even more
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