Katzenbach and Smith: The Wisdom of Teams — Transcript
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- 0:01the wisdom of teams by john katzenbach
- 0:04and douglas smith is a true classic
- 0:07among 20th century business books
- 0:10it uncovers the wisdom of what teams can
- 0:13truly achieve
- 0:15and how can they perform at their
- 0:17absolute best
- 0:26the wisdom of teams creating the high
- 0:28performance organization was first
- 0:30published in 1993
- 0:33and it is a testament not just to the
- 0:35enduring appeal of the topic
- 0:38but of the quality of the research
- 0:40within it
- 0:41that it still remains in print nearly 30
- 0:44years later
- 0:45both authors had been consultants at
- 0:48mckinsey and company and at the time
- 0:50they wrote it katzenbach still was
- 0:52and this gave them access to a wide
- 0:55array of case studies that they could
- 0:57draw on
- 0:58for illustrating their points and for
- 1:00drawing their main conclusions
- 1:02their book is drawn from interviews
- 1:04across 47 organizations in the united
- 1:07states
- 1:08and despite this wealth of knowledge
- 1:10that they drew upon they did recognize
- 1:13that the conclusions in their books are
- 1:15both obvious and subtle obvious
- 1:18in that they contained no great
- 1:20surprises
- 1:22which in itself shouldn't be surprising
- 1:24to us because if there were surprises
- 1:27then what's the value of our experience
- 1:29of working in organizations
- 1:31but the findings were also subtle
- 1:34in that implementing the understanding
- 1:37gained from the book is by no means
- 1:39trivial there are lots of important
- 1:41details to get right
- 1:43and the devil is always in the details
- 1:47so cats and back and smith describe
- 1:49their findings as both common sense and
- 1:51uncommon sense
- 1:53which i suppose is exactly what we
- 1:55should hope for because teams are made
- 1:57of people and when people come together
- 2:00the situations they create are both
- 2:02messy and hard to characterize precisely
- 2:06as a result some commentators have
- 2:08criticized the book both for being
- 2:10obvious and also
- 2:13for being too wordy with all of the case
- 2:15studies that they use to illustrate
- 2:17their points
- 2:18but perhaps the biggest single idea in
- 2:21the wisdom of teams
- 2:22is that there is no single big idea
- 2:25teams are complex and there are lots of
- 2:27smaller ideas that you need to get right
- 2:30to build a powerful high performance
- 2:32team
- 2:34so why do we need teams
- 2:36well the first important idea in the
- 2:38wisdom of teams is the ability of a team
- 2:41to outperform the individuals within it
- 2:44indeed the very first sentence
- 2:47of section one
- 2:49sums it up nicely
- 2:51teams outperform individuals acting
- 2:53alone or in larger organizational
- 2:56groupings
- 2:57especially when performance requires
- 3:00multiple skills
- 3:01judgments and experiences
- 3:04but katzenbach and smith also found that
- 3:07teams offer a number of benefits outside
- 3:10of the performance that they can create
- 3:12these include
- 3:14developing the individuals within the
- 3:16team
- 3:17enhancing the organizational culture
- 3:20around it
- 3:21solving
- 3:22challenging problems
- 3:24and making better more robust decisions
- 3:28so we clearly need a team
- 3:31which raises the question what precisely
- 3:33do we mean by the word team
- 3:35and the definition that katzenbach and
- 3:37smith came up with
- 3:39is probably the most widely used
- 3:41definition of a team in the business and
- 3:44managerial context they said that a team
- 3:47is a small number of people with
- 3:49complementary skills who are committed
- 3:52to a common purpose performance goals
- 3:54and approach
- 3:55for which they hold themselves mutually
- 3:58accountable this encompasses three
- 4:01necessary conditions that katzenbach and
- 4:04smith put forward for what a team needs
- 4:06to have
- 4:08the authors summed this up in a powerful
- 4:10diagram at the start of the book
- 4:13accountability and skills together
- 4:16yield performance results
- 4:18commitment and accountability taken
- 4:20together lead to personal growth
- 4:23and skills and commitment create
- 4:25collective work products
- 4:27there's another iconic illustration in
- 4:29the wisdom of teams and it's at the
- 4:31start of part two
- 4:33it's a team performance curve which
- 4:35shows the evolution of the team
- 4:38in five stages
- 4:40from a simple working group to a high
- 4:42performance team
- 4:44in a working group the main function of
- 4:45the group
- 4:46is to help out individuals to perform
- 4:48well in their
- 4:50own domain of responsibility
- 4:52therefore what the group itself does is
- 4:55share information and ideas and
- 4:57facilitate the making of good decisions
- 5:00and solving problems
- 5:02a pseudo team doesn't necessarily share
- 5:05a common sense of purpose nor does it
- 5:07hold one another accountable
- 5:09they merely act as if they are a team
- 5:12and adopt the label of a team
- 5:14underneath it however each individual is
- 5:17still trying to demonstrate their own
- 5:20strengths
- 5:21and to act in their own best interests
- 5:25a potential team however is trying to
- 5:27improve its performance but it doesn't
- 5:29yet
- 5:30have
- 5:31enough understanding of its shared
- 5:33purpose and nor does it have the
- 5:35mechanisms to hold one another truly
- 5:37accountable
- 5:38and
- 5:39before it can achieve
- 5:41highest performance levels
- 5:43a potential team needs to find new and
- 5:46more effective processes to support
- 5:48collaborative working
- 5:50a real team is a small number of people
- 5:53with complementary skills who are
- 5:55committed to a common purpose
- 5:57performance goals and approach for which
- 5:59they hold themselves mutually
- 6:01accountable
- 6:03so what then
- 6:04is a high performing team
- 6:06a high performing team goes beyond
- 6:09every element of what a real team is its
- 6:12members are committed not just to the
- 6:13growth and success of the team
- 6:15but to the growth and success of each
- 6:17other
- 6:18as a result high performance teams can
- 6:20outperform any other kind of team
- 6:23and can usually achieve more than
- 6:25outside observers would really expect
- 6:28katzenbach and smith devote a large part
- 6:30of the book
- 6:31to giving us ideas for how we can
- 6:34develop and build high performance teams
- 6:37there are lots of ideas in the book so
- 6:39all i can do is extract a few of my
- 6:41favorites and summarize them briefly to
- 6:44give you an indication of what you'll
- 6:45get when you read the book there are
- 6:48four key lessons in chapter one and i'm
- 6:50going to summarize the first two of them
- 6:53together
- 6:55these state that challenge
- 6:57and success are the two biggest
- 7:00motivators for a team
- 7:02the authors find that teams are
- 7:04energized by real challenges
- 7:07and what drives performance is to a
- 7:09greater extent a performance ethic than
- 7:11a team ethic
- 7:12the team takes pride in its achievements
- 7:15the need to perform well
- 7:18can itself
- 7:19drive both the accountability that a
- 7:22team needs
- 7:23and the shared sense of direction
- 7:26so what does all this mean about
- 7:28individuals
- 7:29well you probably heard the expression
- 7:31there's no i in team
- 7:34but there is a me if you look carefully
- 7:38a high performing team is made up of
- 7:41individuals
- 7:43it is the diversity of those individuals
- 7:45that gives the team its strength and
- 7:47power
- 7:48the team needs complementary skills not
- 7:51just clones and if you can harness those
- 7:53skills effectively then you can get to
- 7:56higher levels of performance
- 7:58top teams are particularly problematic
- 8:01cats and back and smith found
- 8:03because at the top of an organization we
- 8:05find teams made up of people who are far
- 8:08more likely to try to assert themselves
- 8:11as individuals
- 8:12rather than to collaborate and hold one
- 8:14another accountable in a true way
- 8:17if you like
- 8:19their shared performance goals are
- 8:21weaker because they are more focused on
- 8:23their individual success
- 8:26katzenbach and smith suggested a number
- 8:28of solutions
- 8:30among them is the need for the ceo to
- 8:32create a collegiate atmosphere
- 8:35to set expectations and demonstrate
- 8:37behaviors
- 8:38that will foster a sense of shared
- 8:40responsibility
- 8:42another approach is to divide the top
- 8:44team into smaller sub teams so there is
- 8:46even greater
- 8:48levels of accountability
- 8:50within those sub teams
- 8:52ultimately you need to find mechanisms
- 8:56to incentivize people to subordinate
- 8:58their self-interest
- 8:59or to harness their self-interest
- 9:01directly to the performance of the team
- 9:04perhaps the most surprising finding that
- 9:07katzenbach and smith offer us
- 9:10is the importance of skills mix
- 9:12compared to that of personalities we are
- 9:15way used to the idea that a high
- 9:17performing team is one with a suitable
- 9:19mix of personalities but cats and back
- 9:22and smith find that skills are more
- 9:24important it's the skill mix that counts
- 9:26not the personality mix
- 9:29which appears to fly in the face of
- 9:31models
- 9:32from people like meredith belbin ammar
- 9:34garrison and mccann
- 9:36that we look at in other videos in this
- 9:39series
- 9:41however it's important to note
- 9:43that both the belding team profiles and
- 9:45the murgaris and mccann model
- 9:47are not actually about personality
- 9:51they're about team role preferences
- 9:54they're about the team behavior skills
- 9:57that we prefer to demonstrate when we're
- 9:59in the team
- 10:00so we can reconcile this together in a
- 10:03complete way
- 10:05as is often the case katzenbach and
- 10:07smith are right
- 10:09and their findings are consistent with
- 10:11all of the best research in the field
- 10:13the wisdom of teams is one of the most
- 10:16important business books that you can
- 10:18read
- 10:19if you are a team leader or a manager or
- 10:22just an organizational leader dependent
- 10:24upon teams for the success of your
- 10:26organization
- 10:28or indeed
- 10:29your own performance
- 10:31then you need to read the wisdom of
- 10:34teams
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