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Kapitel 2 Statusdiagnostik oder Verlaufsdiagnostik — Transcript

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  1. 0:00Hi and hello. Welcome to the second
  2. 0:03part of this lecture series. Today
  3. 0:06we'll look at the question of status
  4. 0:08and progress diagnostics, and which
  5. 0:10diagnostic models we use or are
  6. 0:12generally familiar with. The first
  7. 0:14question is, what is status diagnostics
  8. 0:17, or why do I call it status
  9. 0:19diagnostics? Well, it’s simply about
  10. 0:22a profile, a status at a specific point
  11. 0:24in time. And in most classical
  12. 0:28diagnostic processes, where you go to a
  13. 0:31school psychologist or, in some form,
  14. 0:33want to know everything about this or
  15. 0:35that problem at one measurement point,
  16. 0:37you likely use various test instruments
  17. 0:39to clarify several aspects to decide:
  18. 0:42Is there a need for support, and if so,
  19. 0:44what does it look like? And whenever I
  20. 0:49need a profile, so to speak, where I
  21. 0:52clarify multiple aspects to then decide
  22. 0:54: Yes, this is exactly where support
  23. 0:56should begin or here in. This structure
  24. 1:00should be changed, then I need
  25. 1:01comprehensive knowledge, and whenever I
  26. 1:04need comprehensive knowledge, I also
  27. 1:06need more time, and that's when status
  28. 1:08diagnostics is the answer. On the other
  29. 1:13hand, if I already know it’s about a
  30. 1:15math difficulty, about this or that
  31. 1:17specific area, and I want to reflect on
  32. 1:20support decisions and discuss whether
  33. 1:22the support is working or not, then
  34. 1:24progress diagnostics is the better
  35. 1:26choice. Then it's not about observing
  36. 1:32many things simultaneously, but rather
  37. 1:34the relevant aspects of the support.
  38. 1:39For example, if I want to check
  39. 1:41arithmetic fluency in addition up to
  40. 1:43100, or just determine: can they handle
  41. 1:46the tens transition or not? If I have a
  42. 1:52yes or no question, I can answer it
  43. 1:54easily by giving 20 tasks. And if I see
  44. 1:58they can solve most of them and they
  45. 1:59have the right strategy, then that’s
  46. 2:01wonderful. However, if it involves
  47. 2:08longer-term support—meaning we are
  48. 2:10working on addition up to 100 over a
  49. 2:12longer period, and we’ve considered
  50. 2:14several interventions or actions, and
  51. 2:16only slow progress is visible, which is
  52. 2:19usually the case with learning
  53. 2:20difficulties. Then the idea of a
  54. 2:26learning progress diagnostic graph is
  55. 2:29very good, because then I can see
  56. 2:30exactly which support is working and
  57. 2:32what is slowly improving. Then you can
  58. 2:35perhaps subdivide that, and I basically
  59. 2:38have the idea of testing multiple times
  60. 2:40. So, if you look at the individual
  61. 2:42case examples or the evaluation below,
  62. 2:45you could, for instance, do a pre-, mid
  63. 2:47-, and post-phase. And the idea of
  64. 2:51measuring more frequently is simply
  65. 2:53that I can more clearly determine where
  66. 2:55the true value lies. Because we always
  67. 2:59have various everyday factors and
  68. 3:01unsystematic errors that influence us,
  69. 3:03and on the other hand, we also have
  70. 3:05support or a support phase where we
  71. 3:07want to see—perhaps with a bit of a
  72. 3:09delay, since people need to sleep on it
  73. 3:11—active learning. So just because
  74. 3:16you've briefly explained something
  75. 3:18doesn't mean it’s being implemented
  76. 3:20at the behavioral level, and hopefully,
  77. 3:22we then see a learning achievement, an
  78. 3:24increase, simply a higher number of
  79. 3:26tasks solved. And that is exactly the
  80. 3:29idea behind formative assessment. This
  81. 3:31means that during the support phase, I
  82. 3:33already get results and see whether the
  83. 3:35support is working or not. That is, of
  84. 3:37course, only one aspect when I am
  85. 3:39practicing and providing support. I
  86. 3:41naturally also see how the person
  87. 3:43reacts, how they act, what feedback
  88. 3:45they want, and what strategies they
  89. 3:47choose to solve this or that task. That
  90. 3:52is also a second important aspect of
  91. 3:54support, but here in terms of
  92. 3:55diagnostics, one can simply look at one
  93. 3:58thing, and that is represented by this
  94. 4:00graph. That is the core idea of
  95. 4:03progress monitoring. How does this
  96. 4:05relate to diagnostic models in
  97. 4:07themselves? Here there was, on one hand
  98. 4:10, the classic, traditional idea of
  99. 4:13special education diagnostics, that we
  100. 4:15have a very strong integration of
  101. 4:17diagnostics, support, and evaluation.
  102. 4:20So, classically speaking, there was
  103. 4:22actually only diagnostics, and the
  104. 4:23support was something else entirely and
  105. 4:25sometimes had nothing to do with each
  106. 4:27other. But that was never good. And
  107. 4:30that is why the interplay has always
  108. 4:32been an important aspect, and Mr.
  109. 4:34Heimlich, along with other special
  110. 4:36educators, has captured this in various
  111. 4:38models. And in this process, you simply
  112. 4:42conduct status diagnostics twice—once
  113. 4:44at the beginning and once at the end—
  114. 4:46with an intervention in between. And
  115. 4:50what is important is that the support
  116. 4:52is relatively specifically linked to
  117. 4:54the diagnostics, and the evaluation
  118. 4:56aims at a summative result exactly at
  119. 4:58the end of the support: Did the support
  120. 5:00plan hold up or not? And if that were
  121. 5:06practically implemented, we as
  122. 5:08scientists would be in agreement on
  123. 5:10everything regarding the practical
  124. 5:12progress or the critique of support
  125. 5:13plans, especially in the field of
  126. 5:15special education. If we look at
  127. 5:18various studies from Mose Opz. Then we
  128. 5:21see: status diagnostics are sometimes
  129. 5:24done. Support plans, and especially
  130. 5:26their evaluation, are rather not done,
  131. 5:29or at least they are not
  132. 5:30domain-specific or precise. The goals
  133. 5:33are also not clearly defined, and the
  134. 5:35evaluation does not take place to the
  135. 5:38extent one would wish; rather, it is
  136. 5:40usually based on observations or
  137. 5:42smaller elements. But if you consider
  138. 5:45what success in a pedagogical measure
  139. 5:47actually is, it is simply that I reach
  140. 5:49the goal. So, in terms of
  141. 5:53output-oriented management, I should
  142. 5:55really consider whether I am reaching
  143. 5:57my goal in the end, whether I am
  144. 5:59effective, and see that as the
  145. 6:00essential element of my pedagogy,
  146. 6:02rather than giving special weight to
  147. 6:04any other aspects. The model by Werneu
  148. 6:08is essentially similar and also places
  149. 6:10process diagnostics in the foreground
  150. 6:12here. It also has this three-step
  151. 6:15approach, so it is not different in any
  152. 6:17way. I just spent a long time searching
  153. 6:19to see if I could find any more models
  154. 6:21or people who have formulated it this
  155. 6:23way. And that is where I found the two
  156. 6:24of them. In the meantime, there is a
  157. 6:28third model, the Gritt model, which, as
  158. 6:30far as I have understood it so far,
  159. 6:32focuses primarily on status diagnostics
  160. 6:35and various forms of support, and is
  161. 6:37more of a grid, similar to the grid
  162. 6:39developed by Ms. Lutz, which
  163. 6:41practically covers support planning or
  164. 6:43a support report. But I am sure this
  165. 6:47model will be developed further, and
  166. 6:48then I will include it as well. And if
  167. 6:51you know of any other models, please
  168. 6:52feel free to write them in the comments
  169. 6:54. Many models that are linked to
  170. 6:57diagnostics and support are more
  171. 6:58subject-didactically oriented, meaning
  172. 7:01based on a concrete subject. I have not
  173. 7:04included those here and am therefore
  174. 7:06not currently referring to them. But
  175. 7:08they are just as good, so to speak. As
  176. 7:11a second model or as an extension of
  177. 7:13this previous summative model with a
  178. 7:15beginning and an end, there is the idea
  179. 7:18of learning progress diagnostics. Mr.
  180. 7:22Helbert from Potsdam was the first to
  181. 7:24present it this way. I have expanded it
  182. 7:27a bit, and in case you are wondering
  183. 7:29why on earth it is green. That is
  184. 7:32because a mishap simply occurred during
  185. 7:34the formatting. What is important is
  186. 7:37that you can read it. And the idea is
  187. 7:40now similar to the model before. This
  188. 7:43is practically shown on the left now.
  189. 7:45You have an occasion, you have a status
  190. 7:47diagnosis, you determine the need for
  191. 7:49support, and you set the support goal.
  192. 7:53You probably do that once, or do one
  193. 7:55larger diagnostic at the beginning, but
  194. 7:57then you actually move into a kind of
  195. 7:59classroom-based assessment. You know
  196. 8:03roughly where the support goals are.
  197. 8:06They do not change significantly
  198. 8:08anymore; rather, it is much more
  199. 8:10important to reach the individual
  200. 8:11target areas of the support diagnostics
  201. 8:14. And when you are in the second step,
  202. 8:16it is actually more sensible to proceed
  203. 8:19formatively, because then you already
  204. 8:21know what the support is supposed to
  205. 8:23achieve, and the fundamental question
  206. 8:25is: is the support highly effective?
  207. 8:28That would be desirable, then
  208. 8:30everything works wonderfully. Then you
  209. 8:32can set the next support goal at the
  210. 8:34next level, so to speak. On the other
  211. 8:39hand, if the intervention isn't working
  212. 8:41, I should ideally find out immediately
  213. 8:43, perhaps through progress monitoring
  214. 8:45or formative assessment, because the
  215. 8:47moment it’s formative, I can adjust
  216. 8:49the intervention accordingly during the
  217. 8:52phase. And if we know anything in
  218. 8:56pedagogy, it's that feedback is always
  219. 8:58most effective when it is immediate.
  220. 9:02Most feedback, like when you take a
  221. 9:04test last week and get the results two
  222. 9:07weeks later, simply lacks stringency.
  223. 9:11Then you don't know where to start or
  224. 9:13how to improve the whole thing. So, the
  225. 9:15more immediate the feedback you receive
  226. 9:17and the sooner you can adapt, the
  227. 9:19better the whole process is. And it's
  228. 9:23the same with interventions: when you
  229. 9:25adapt them and say, "Ah yes, after the
  230. 9:27second session, as you plan further
  231. 9:29sessions, I reflect on: What's working,
  232. 9:32what isn't, what should I adjust, what
  233. 9:34other structure do I have, where could
  234. 9:36I tweak things?" These are exactly the
  235. 9:40decisions you need, and you don't want
  236. 9:42to wait until you have a result again
  237. 9:44after half a year. And that is exactly
  238. 9:49what progress monitoring is for—so
  239. 9:51you have immediate decisions—and that
  240. 9:53is becoming easier with computer-based
  241. 9:55diagnostics or certain learning games,
  242. 9:57and I think that’s where the future
  243. 9:59lies. Whether it's Leifumi or other
  244. 10:06things like learning lines or similar
  245. 10:07instruments, or now AI-based systems
  246. 10:09that perhaps also have learning games
  247. 10:11and interventions at the same time,
  248. 10:13regardless, there will always be some
  249. 10:15kind of feedback for the teacher. When
  250. 10:20do I need to make which decision, and
  251. 10:22the more immediate it is, the better it
  252. 10:24is. Now I am on chapter 2.3. This is
  253. 10:27theoretically a small leap back into
  254. 10:30history. Why am I starting again with
  255. 10:32the zone of proximal development? And
  256. 10:34Vygotsky, ultimately, is clear; many
  257. 10:37things in special education are built
  258. 10:39upon these ideas from the
  259. 10:41cultural-historical school. I am
  260. 10:44evaluating this entire script in terms
  261. 10:46of diagnostics, and this idea of the
  262. 10:48zone of proximal development is quite
  263. 10:50interesting because if you imagine
  264. 10:52taking current school achievement tests
  265. 10:54, you do them without help. So you
  266. 10:57don't get any support at all. So all
  267. 11:00ideas of testing, and even identifying
  268. 11:03a disorder, are based on current
  269. 11:05development, even though we as
  270. 11:07educators are more focused on the idea
  271. 11:09of future development, i.e., the zone
  272. 11:11of proximal development. Then the
  273. 11:14question is: is our testing system
  274. 11:16actually completely outdated, since we
  275. 11:18want to move toward development? Why,
  276. 11:21why can't we test in a way that brings
  277. 11:24us much closer to actual development? I
  278. 11:27mean, why must we always only capture
  279. 11:29the current status? That is exactly the
  280. 11:32question that Good and other
  281. 11:34psychologists asked themselves, leading
  282. 11:36them to the conclusion that we really
  283. 11:38need to adapt and change this. And the
  284. 11:44first or simplest idea one might have,
  285. 11:46which is in that sense a so-called
  286. 11:48dynamic testing, is simply to have
  287. 11:50multiple testing intervals. And, above
  288. 11:55all, Marco Hessels discovered that if I
  289. 11:57have an individual with an intellectual
  290. 11:59disability—someone who finds certain
  291. 12:02tasks difficult and for whom
  292. 12:03instructions are not always clear. And
  293. 12:06even though these individuals are
  294. 12:08tested quite frequently with IQ tests,
  295. 12:10it is not at all clear whether they
  296. 12:11actually understand all the
  297. 12:13instructions involved. And the CFT also
  298. 12:15has a few more difficult elements in
  299. 12:17its subtests, as I would describe them.
  300. 12:21And that is when the idea came up. Well
  301. 12:23, one could simply take the first test,
  302. 12:26discard it, and then proceed with the
  303. 12:28second test. And the second test is
  304. 12:32simply much more reliable because they
  305. 12:34have already become accustomed to the
  306. 12:36testing procedure and the environment,
  307. 12:38allowing them to truly reach their
  308. 12:40maximum potential in the test. That
  309. 12:45would be, so to speak, a first step.
  310. 12:49But dynamic testing actually goes much
  311. 12:52further, namely: The idea behind it is
  312. 12:54to truly enter the zone of proximal
  313. 12:56development, much like a teacher or
  314. 12:58mentor who helps one progress to the
  315. 13:00next level with the right guidance and
  316. 13:02helps one understand more difficult
  317. 13:04tasks. One could approach dynamic
  318. 13:13testing in the same way, by focusing
  319. 13:15not on the tasks and their difficulty,
  320. 13:17but rather on the number of prompts the
  321. 13:19person receives to understand the next
  322. 13:21task. And the fewer prompts someone
  323. 13:28needs, the higher their potential, the
  324. 13:30faster that person understands, and the
  325. 13:32faster they can reach the next level.
  326. 13:37And if you now imagine that we might
  327. 13:39have some kind of computer-based
  328. 13:41environment or learning games in the
  329. 13:43future, and in these games—however
  330. 13:45they are designed—they not only have
  331. 13:47current tasks but also provide hints
  332. 13:49and support, then we are already quite
  333. 13:51close to this idea of dynamic testing.
  334. 13:57And that is exactly the reason why I am
  335. 13:59including this in these psychology
  336. 14:01topics, so one simply considers: well,
  337. 14:03there are these current tests with
  338. 14:05their tasks at the current level, and
  339. 14:07there is a kind of competence track or
  340. 14:09learning ladder where I assume a higher
  341. 14:11level and I provide hints. And that is
  342. 14:16precisely where we arrive at this idea
  343. 14:18of the zone of proximal development.
  344. 14:22And the question arises much more about
  345. 14:25which hints or support measures are
  346. 14:27needed, and if so, how many? And those
  347. 14:32can just as easily be evaluated for
  348. 14:34diagnostics. 2.4 is data-based decision
  349. 14:38making. This is ultimately similar to
  350. 14:41the previous models with learning
  351. 14:43progress diagnostics or status
  352. 14:45diagnostics, in that it is about
  353. 14:46collecting information. Only the idea
  354. 14:50here is the question: what is relevant
  355. 14:52information, what is less relevant
  356. 14:54information, what is one-time
  357. 14:56information, and what is process
  358. 14:58information? So it is practically a
  359. 15:03model where I am aware of what
  360. 15:04information I am receiving, which
  361. 15:06information is truly important and
  362. 15:08relevant, and how I collect it further
  363. 15:10and discuss it in my team. And that is
  364. 15:15exactly what we actually need in school
  365. 15:17. That, firstly: everyone must be
  366. 15:19informed about what information is even
  367. 15:22available, what support decisions are
  368. 15:24associated with it, and how do we work
  369. 15:26together? And then you need a recurring
  370. 15:31workflow where I say: I first set a
  371. 15:33goal, then I collect the data and
  372. 15:35analyze it, then I take the measures,
  373. 15:37implement them, and evaluate them. And
  374. 15:41then I apply the evaluation again, and
  375. 15:44that also exists as a research cycle.
  376. 15:46Mr. Cool and I have already written
  377. 15:48papers on this, and many others have
  378. 15:50also contributed many ideas. And this
  379. 15:54is, so to speak, this model that Ms.
  380. 15:56Lutz has illustrated nicely here with a
  381. 15:58very good practical example, where she
  382. 16:01wrote a good article or contribution
  383. 16:03with a lot of practical relevance,
  384. 16:05where it is about the implementation of
  385. 16:07this model, and you can find it here. I
  386. 16:11will not go into detail on this article
  387. 16:13now.

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