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0:04Sorry guys, he left.
0:07>> [gasps]
0:08>> Just kidding. Okay.
0:10If we could put together a warm Seeker
0:13Summit welcome for the one and only
0:17Justin Posey.
0:19>> [cheering]
0:29[cheering]
0:30>> Why don't you have a seat? Hi friend.
0:38Hey JP, how you doing?
0:40I'm doing good.
0:41I'm glad to hear it.
0:42>> It's a good day.
0:43Are you tired yet?
0:45A little bit. A little bit?
0:47That means you guys have a better chance
0:48of getting real clues.
0:50That's what I was hoping for.
0:53Uh we have Howard grabbing us a book
0:56just in case we need it. So, he may just
0:57run up here and hand it to us at any
0:59moment. Is that your water?
1:01It is.
1:02Thank goodness. Okay.
1:05I think that the best part of not the
1:08best part, there's so many best parts,
1:09but one of the most unique and coolest
1:12parts of this event was
1:14the Q&A with the votes.
1:17So now, oh look at that, the delivery
1:19system is here.
1:21Uh so now, we're going to start
1:23with the number one requested question
1:26from everybody here with the most ups,
1:29which means people wanted it.
1:31Has anyone
1:34located or correctly identified
1:37the bride?
1:40I'll answer this, but before I do,
1:41there's
1:43actually somebody I want to wish happy
1:44birthday to. Hayden, if you're out
1:46there, Hayden.
1:50Happy birthday to you.
1:54You sure you don't want to sing?
1:55I mean, I'll stop. I'll pause.
1:56>> people to leave early.
1:58Um
2:00has anyone correctly identified
2:04>> Has anyone located or correctly
2:07identified the bride?
2:14Yes.
2:16Oh man, don't you guys wish you'd added
2:18a little bit to that so I could do a
2:19follow-up?
2:24Here's the follow-up. Who? No, just
2:25kidding. Um
2:28I agreed to not ask follow-ups, but
2:30maybe at the end. You know, he's known
2:31for being a little uncanny.
2:33The second most asked question was, does
2:36timing have anything to do with finding
2:38the treasure? For example,
2:41do you have to be at a specific spot at
2:44a specific time of day during any point
2:48following the poem in order to find the
2:51treasure? 20 people would like to know.
2:54Okay, one more time.
2:56Does timing have anything to do with
2:59finding the treasure?
3:00For example,
3:02do you have to be at a specific spot at
3:05a specific time of day during any point
3:09following the poem in order to find the
3:11treasure?
3:13That's an oddly specific question. It
3:16seems very very specific to me, too.
3:19Uh
3:20what I will say is that um
3:24the the
3:26the element of
3:28time, if it wasn't already obvious
3:30through the Netflix series, is
3:33is important.
3:35That's fair. I mean, I think it makes
3:37sense. You did touch a clock.
3:40Right?
3:41>> of time, there's actually something I
3:42want to clear up.
3:45Oh goodness. I have to get my notes
3:47here. One moment.
3:48>> lose your coin, though. Don't lose your
3:49coin. Thank you. I'll set it right
3:50there. Okay. Okay, speaking of time,
3:56uh in the Netflix series, clearly there
3:59are
4:00some times shown.
4:02And I feel that
4:05there were a few Well, there were a few
4:06times that slipped in that were
4:09not by design. And so, I'm just going to
4:12eliminate those specific times
4:15uh to make things what I hope is
4:17clearer.
4:18I think Jim's going to fall out of his
4:20chair.
4:21>> [laughter]
4:22>> There are two times specifically that
4:26uh don't matter.
4:27And
4:29it's okay if you're off by a minute or
4:30so. I know it's a little hard to tell on
4:32that clock, so
4:34uh at approximately 4:02 p.m.,
4:38that does not matter.
4:41And at approximately
4:445:26 a.m. or p.m.,
4:46uh that does not matter, either.
4:49I hope that helps.
4:51I mean, how could it not, right?
4:54I also have uh some updated statistics
4:58that people may or may not be interested
5:00in.
5:00>> You know I love a good statistic.
5:02So, I think the last time I sent this
5:04out, boy, I don't recall when it was. It
5:06was
5:07pretty early in the hunt. And I I posted
5:10some stats, and I'll read them off here
5:12for a refresher, and we'll talk about
5:14what they're at now.
5:15Uh the number of people that have asked
5:17me to verify their solution
5:20before heading out,
5:22uh that was 24,101
5:25people.
5:27And the updated number as of
5:30last night,
5:32let's see if I can find the note.
5:34Where did I put that note?
5:38On your treasure hunt.
5:41My goodness.
5:44There it is.
5:45Uh it is now at uh 277,428.
5:51Oh my gosh.
5:53Uh the next statistic,
5:55uh the the number of people that have
5:57conveyed to me they are 100% sure
6:02they know where the treasure is.
6:06Um I
6:08to be fair, I I
6:09I appreciate the confidence. That's
6:11That's really cool.
6:12Uh
6:13it was uh 13,388
6:16people.
6:18And as of last night, it is now
6:22119,644.
6:28Half of those people have also told me.
6:32>> [laughter]
6:35>> Uh
6:36the next one was uh bribe attempts. Oh.
6:41That stood at 32.
6:44We are now at
6:471,221.
6:51I appreciate the effort, you guys. I
6:53mean,
6:55a lot of
6:55>> [laughter]
6:56>> a lot of enthusiasm. Um
7:00uh blackmail attempts.
7:02Uh that was at three.
7:05We are now at uh 80.
7:07Oh, wow.
7:09Uh again, valiant effort. Valiant
7:11effort. Uh
7:14tracking attempts. This is a new
7:15category
7:17uh that didn't exist.
7:18Uh that is at 19.
7:21Oh, wow.
7:22Uh search and rescue operations. Uh
7:26unfortunately, people that have required
7:28uh search and rescue assistance,
7:30uh that was at one.
7:32And uh we've grown a little bit since
7:34then. Uh it's at 16.
7:37People.
7:39We We're smarter than this.
7:41Um I think it's exuberance um and I can
7:44relate, so.
7:46Uh anyway, updated stats, there you have
7:48it. There we go.
7:51Well, we're not going to bribe you
7:52today. We're just going to ask nicely.
7:53How about that?
7:55I appreciate the honesty. Uh I'm here
7:57for you.
7:58At which stanza does boots on the ground
8:01become absolutely required? Meaning,
8:04no amount of at-home research or mapping
8:07can substitute for being physically on
8:09site.
8:11We're going to go to the book for this
8:12one.
8:20Sure. He's going to read be reading
8:21that. Let me read to you.
8:23At which stanza does boots on the ground
8:26become absolutely required? Meaning, no
8:30amount of at-home research or mapping
8:33can substitute for being physically on
8:35site.
8:37It's kind of a big one, and it looks
8:38like he might answer it.
8:40This is a very specifically worded
8:43question.
8:49One more time. I want to make sure I get
8:50it right.
8:51>> have it as many times. I'll keep reading
8:52it.
8:53At which stanza
8:56That means paragraph, just so you know.
8:58does boots on the ground become
9:00absolutely required? Meaning, no amount
9:04of at-home research or mapping can
9:07substitute for being physically on site?
9:10Stanza four.
9:13Write that down, Jim.
9:16Hey.
9:18That was huge.
9:19Is checkpoint
9:21is the checkpoint a physical object that
9:24can be moved?
9:28Yeah, I told myself tonight I'm going to
9:30try to not punt on any question. Oh
9:32gosh, I hope
9:35This is um
9:38>> [clears throat]
9:43>> I'll say that it's it's not something
9:45you need to worry about.
9:47Okay, you don't have to worry about it.
9:52But there was somewhere you said you
9:54were going to clarify the checkpoint in
9:56a in a recent interview. I think it was
9:58X marks the spot, wasn't it?
10:01What what specifically was I going to
10:02clarify? Refresh my memory.
10:05You said
10:07Okay, I'll pull it up. Jim, text me.
10:10Okay.
10:12Is the Is the something we find along
10:15the way something you placed there or
10:17something that was already there?
10:24Both.
10:26>> [clears throat]
10:27>> Oh my gosh, I love these answers.
10:30Sure. Is the something you we find along
10:33the way something you placed there or
10:35something that was already there?
10:40Okay.
10:42Are the majority of the hunt items and
10:45locations located in the same state /
10:49county
10:50as the actual treasure location?
10:55You know,
11:00I think about the Forrest Fenn treasure
11:01hunts and pretty much any treasure hunt
11:03and it seems that it's almost like
11:05sports teams form.
11:07I'm team Montana.
11:09I'm team Wyoming. I'm team New Mexico.
11:13Uh I've always found that interesting.
11:15Um they are somewhat arbitrary lines on
11:18a map.
11:19Uh
11:21So I I would just generally be less
11:24concerned about the borders.
11:28I mean it is beyond the map's edge,
11:29right? That sounds like an edge.
11:32Okay, I understand the photographs in
11:35the book reflect your life and therefore
11:37provide general context. My question is
11:41were any of the photographs, not
11:44illustrations, placed to function as
11:46explicit clues, meaning
11:49they contain specific deliberate
11:52information meant to help solve or
11:55interpret the poem?
11:57I think they are useful, yes.
12:00Oh my gosh.
12:04I I can. I hope I'm not reading too
12:06quickly. I'm trying to be very
12:08I'm trying to annunciate a lot for you.
12:10I understand the photographs in the book
12:13reflect your life and therefore provide
12:16general context. My question is were any
12:20of the photographs, not the
12:22illustrations, placed to function as
12:25explicit clues, meaning they contain
12:28specific deliberate information meant to
12:32help solve or interpret the poem?
12:38Okay.
12:40Justin, you said "As hope surges clear
12:43and bright" is the first actionable
12:45clue.
12:46You haven't specified, but what is the
12:48last actionable clue?
12:52Let me check. To the book.
12:58See, I should have just bookmarked that
13:00page.
13:03Does that book have a bookmark in the
13:04front? No?
13:05No. Okay, sorry.
13:08Uh which stanza has the last actionable
13:12clue?
13:13>> clue, but what is the last actionable
13:15clue?
13:26I don't want to cop out answer.
13:28Uh it does somewhat depend and depending
13:31on your interpretation, it's either
13:33stanza
13:34four or five.
13:36Okay.
13:40Okay, I'll behave.
13:42Yeah.
13:43>> [laughter]
13:44>> For the first time in my life. Um you've
13:47said the first Oh, wait, I just read
13:48that. Did you make the container
13:50yourself?
13:54I
13:58It's probably more accurate to say that
13:59I
14:02I made targeted
14:04and deliberate modifications.
14:08My gosh, these answers are so good.
14:11Okay. Is the number 42 relevant to
14:14finding the treasure?
14:16>> [laughter]
14:19>> Um
14:20I I I guess the short answer is yes.
14:23That's a pretty short answer. And I like
14:25it.
14:26Has any searcher or searchers been in
14:29the small kitchen-sized area where the
14:31treasure is hidden?
14:38To my uncertain knowledge, no. Oh, okay.
14:44Has the container been correctly
14:46guessed, but the cipher just has not
14:48been solved correctly?
14:52There have been people who have guessed
14:54what the
14:55container is uh correctly.
14:58Bravo. Not you, Jim.
15:02You knew that was coming.
15:03>> [laughter]
15:05>> Do you have the ability to view
15:06searchers if they are near the treasure?
15:09I am going to punt on that question. Um
15:13I'm sorry. No.
15:18They want
15:19>> Do you have the ability to view
15:22searchers if they are near the treasure?
15:26Punt.
15:27There you go.
15:29The first punt, boys and girls, that's a
15:30lot of questions answered so far.
15:36Does her face belong to the bride?
15:41Does her face belong to the bride?
15:49That sounded like Sandal. It did sound
15:51just like Sandal.
15:59Depending on your interpretation,
16:05yes.
16:06Uh but you know, there are actually two
16:08different ways to interpret this and the
16:11answer depends. So it's a no or yes. I
16:13know that's a strange answer, but that
16:14is correct.
16:16Way to confuse us, JP. Way to confuse
16:18us.
16:19So I What I heard was yes, no, maybe so.
16:22Yeah. Okay.
16:24I work Okay, perfect. So good at
16:26interpreting these words.
16:28Um
16:29Go ahead. Actually, I'm I'm going to
16:31revise I I think it's probably fair to
16:33just say yes there. Yes. Oh goodness,
16:35there you go.
16:37Okay, are the place and the sacred space
16:41the same location?
16:46Not necessarily.
16:48Okay.
16:51Does return her face imply a physical
16:55rotation?
17:02Guys are killing me here.
17:04Don't you wish you didn't say that you
17:06were thinking about not punting earlier?
17:12Repeat it one more time. Okay.
17:17Does return her face imply a physical
17:21rotation?
17:24Boy, that's a semantically challenging
17:26question.
17:28Welcome to treasure hunting.
17:31And people might rake me over the coals
17:33for this one later. Um
17:36but the the
17:38the technically correct answer is yes.
17:41Okay.
17:44Is the cipher contained in a single
17:47section of the book or across multiple
17:51sections?
17:53Who says the cipher's in the book?
18:00It's a good day.
18:03Do you need to move a rock or anything
18:05else to see the container and would a
18:07flashlight be useful during the day?
18:17Gosh, these are tricky questions.
18:20We've gotten a lot better.
18:21>> there's there's technicalities here that
18:23I
18:24uh that are a little I guess
18:26slightly nuanced.
18:29>> [clears throat]
18:31>> I mean I suppose
18:33depending on the conditions,
18:36technically yes, maybe a flashlight
18:39could be helpful.
18:41It's hard to say. I mean
18:44that that's a tough one.
18:46Uh what was the other part?
18:48Do you need to move a rock or anything
18:50else to see the container and would a
18:53flashlight be useful during the day?
18:59Um
19:04Uh something will be need Something will
19:06need to be manipulated in order to see
19:08the treasure.
19:10Oh.
19:13Are transition Are transitions between
19:16clues
19:18meant to represent movement across
19:20meaningful geographic separation
19:24or
19:25are they simply conceptual steps within
19:27the same area?
19:30One more time.
19:31>> I was about to say, should I read that
19:32bad boy again?
19:34Are transitions between clues meant to
19:37represent movement across meaningful
19:39geographic separation or are they simply
19:43conceptual steps within the same area?
19:46This is another one of those questions
19:47that are toughly worded.
19:50That's fair. Hmm, um
19:58Gosh.
20:00I feel like I'm kind of hosed no matter
20:01how I answer this.
20:12I wonder who that was. I can't imagine.
20:16Thank you, cousin Lori.
20:18>> [laughter]
20:19[sighs and gasps]
20:20>> Um
20:21I mean, it's
20:25Each clue
20:27in the poem
20:31is not meant
20:33to convey
20:34great distance.
20:39Oh, wow.
20:41Does the hole referenced in the poem
20:44correspond to a place that actually
20:47includes hole in its name? Ergo, Jackson
20:51Hole or Big Hole River?
20:54That's an on-the-nose question. Um
21:00>> I got to punt that one. I'm so sorry.
21:02Sometimes you got to punt.
21:05How many searchers have sent you a photo
21:08of the correct checkpoint?
21:15Zero.
21:16>> [sighs]
21:18>> Oh my gosh, I want to do follow-ups.
21:20Okay, you mentioned there's another book
21:22that could help you find your treasure.
21:25Is that book your grandfather's memoir?
21:27If so, he speaks a lot about vantage
21:30points overseeing people and places. Did
21:33you incorporate that into your hunt?
21:37Did I incorporate vantage points into my
21:42>> about a question.
21:43What if I read it again? Okay. Let's do
21:45that. Okay, you mentioned there's
21:48another book that could help you find
21:50your treasure.
21:51Is that book your grandfather's memoir?
21:53That's really the first question of the
21:55two here.
22:00That is a little too specific, so Okay,
22:03so then here's the fun follow-up.
22:07I just lost the question. Hold on.
22:09How could I lose a question when it's on
22:10the website?
22:12>> [laughter]
22:13>> Found it.
22:15If so, he speaks a lot about vantage
22:17points overseeing people and places. Did
22:20you incorporate that into your hunt?
22:24Did I incorporate vantage points into my
22:27hunt? Um
22:35That's that's a weird one to answer,
22:36too. I mean
22:41the
22:44There is a I guess you could say a
22:45vantage point involved.
22:49Um
22:50But it's not that any of the clues are
22:52necessarily
22:54talking about that vantage point.
22:56Okay.
22:58I figured out why the question moved.
23:00It's cuz apparently I just upgraded I up
23:02arrowed it. Oh. Like how could it have
23:03moved?
23:04>> You up voted it. I up voted it, so it's
23:06good.
23:07Would a solver make more progress by
23:09searching for hidden thematic or
23:11symbolic rules governing the poem or by
23:14treating it more like Forrest Fenn's
23:16poem where carefully but largely literal
23:19interpretation of each line leads the
23:21way?
23:24Probably roughly both in equal measure.
23:29Okay.
23:35I don't like that look.
23:37If we don't hit 2,000
23:42>> [laughter]
23:42>> I know where this is going.
23:45What are the two states you would have
23:47eliminated?
23:50Thank god he said he's not going to
23:52punt, right?
23:54>> [cheering]
23:56>> Oh, boy. This is a tough moment for your
23:58moment for your friend.
23:59>> I I think better when I pace. It's going
24:01to have to be
24:02>> all the time you need.
24:06>> [cheering]
24:13>> God, I love you people.
24:29>> [cheering]
24:35[cheering]
24:43>> Where are these bribers when we need
24:45them?
24:47Okay,
24:48um
24:53Who was that?
24:56An easy and a hard one.
24:57Uh
24:58>> [laughter]
24:59>> Ah,
25:00all right, let's do this. LET'S DO THIS.
25:03>> [cheering]
25:08>> OKAY,
25:09UH YOU KNOW, I
25:11wasn't prepared for this question.
25:13I really didn't think we're going to
25:14make 2,000. Now it was a kind of a trick
25:16>> He really didn't. He bet against me and
25:18he won and now I've lost and I feel sad
25:20about it, so I don't know what I've lost
25:22yet, but I feel like I'm going to pay.
25:26I'm glad you feel better.
25:28Okay, uh first state.
25:31Uh the the treasure
25:34and the treasure is not in Colorado.
25:40That's big.
25:41>> [cheering]
25:45>> And the second state.
25:48Uh
25:53I was not prepared for this.
25:56But in your gut
25:58there's probably a state
26:00that would really help.
26:04That you'd feel so good tonight when you
26:06went to sleep about.
26:09And so would we. All right, um the
26:11treasure and all associated clues is
26:15not in Oregon.
26:17>> [cheering]
26:25[cheering]
26:32[cheering]
26:38[applause]
26:41>> If he just broke your heart, no he
26:43didn't mean it. I Okay. I feel like it's
26:46time for comic relief, so
26:48um
26:49I'm going to tell a short story.
26:51Thank you.
26:54And you can blame my cousin Lori for
26:57making me
26:58>> you asked me for?
27:00Okay, never mind. I might have a
27:01question later.
27:04We're so excited about the possibility.
27:05>> the story.
27:07Uh
27:09Netflix was coming to film at my house
27:11and it just so happened that within the
27:14prior month or so, as I was out of town,
27:16my sprinkler system died. And it was
27:20very hot. It was in Texas and uh
27:24pretty much everything around my house
27:25perished. Uh
27:27not almost nothing was spared. And
27:31the Netflix crew was still coming and
27:33there was an
27:35very good chance that they were going to
27:36be filming outdoors uh around my house
27:39and it was just kind of embarrassing,
27:41frankly.
27:43I struggled with what to do about this
27:46and I hatched this genius plan.
27:49Um
27:50And that plan consisted of
27:52This actually exists. Uh
27:54um
27:56a biodegradable
27:58grass paint.
28:01I've heard of it.
28:03Uh and so I yeah, I whipped this up and
28:06I thought, well, I'll just go out there
28:07and
28:09I
28:10paint a section of the grass cuz who
28:12does that, right? Uh and so I whipped up
28:14the the um
28:16it's like a pack you wear on your back
28:18and kind of like a weed sprayer. And I
28:20go out there and spray it.
28:21But it was so hot out and so I waited
28:23until like 2:00 in the morning. Plus I
28:25didn't really didn't want the neighbors
28:26seeing I'm painting my grass.
28:29That's the level of my vanity.
28:32And so I embarked on this
28:352-hour expedition to
28:39paint the grass and and it worked,
28:41right? And I had the
28:43flashlight out. I'm looking at this and
28:45I was like, wow, that looks really good.
28:48So I went back in feeling very proud of
28:49myself and I heard a noise and I
28:53realized that
28:54the sprinkler system that was fixed
28:56earlier that day had just turned on.
29:00And so with
29:02no hesitation, I pulled out my phone and
29:04it's one of those Rachio systems. You
29:06can control it, you know, and I hit the
29:07off button and it wasn't working.
29:11And I thought, oh my gosh, this I'm so a
29:13sweaty mess in the middle of the night.
29:15All my
29:16biodegradable paint is washing away. And
29:19so I made a run for it and I mean run.
29:23And I came tearing out the front door
29:26and
29:28Okay, well, I was going to leave that
29:30tidbit out, but
29:31>> was an important point. You should not
29:33have left that out.
29:34>> removed my clothes, so I
29:37I have my boxers on. Um
29:40And so I was in this full bore run and
29:42for whatever reason in that moment, I
29:45completely
29:47forgot
29:49about the large oak tree
29:52branch that was right about head height.
29:56And I hit that thing hard, like face
29:59first, and kind of close pinned myself
30:01and on the ground and
30:03knocked me out for a few seconds,
30:05knocked the wind out of me.
30:07And I woke up and I looked like the
30:08Jolly Green Giant. I was
30:12I was covered in green paint and the
30:14sprinklers were going on me and I crawl
30:17over and turn it off. I'm like, "What
30:18have I done?"
30:21And I came back to the house and I had
30:23this raging black eye. I mean, just I
30:25couldn't even open one eye.
30:27And I'm like, "Oh my gosh, Netflix is
30:29going to be here in 9 hours."
30:34And I recall if Jared is here, I think I
30:36sent a picture to Jared saying, "Would
30:39you mind if we reschedule?"
30:41Uh which uh actually the timing ended up
30:44working out for a number of reasons and
30:46we did end up rescheduling, so it was
30:47okay. Uh but yes, that is the the grass
30:51paint story. So, there you go.
30:57Do you still have that picture?
31:00I I have the picture of my black eye. I
31:04>> I think he should post it on his face or
31:06on his website. I think that'd be fun.
31:09Well, stranger things have happened.
31:11We'll see.
31:12>> [laughter]
31:13>> Back to the fun and unbelievably
31:15uncomfortable questions.
31:17Are national parks ruled out?
31:20Uh I'm not I'm not going to say yes or
31:23no to that, sorry. Okay.
31:27That just got bumped for some reason.
31:28Okay.
31:33The key to one direction lies in
31:34another. Does this relate to the
31:36asimuth?
31:40No.
31:41Oh.
31:43Lucky number 10 on the checkpoint
31:45questions.
31:46Is the checkpoint essentially
31:49to its core
31:51and finally connected related to a
31:54topographic feature?
31:58Wow, read that one again.
31:59>> I figured we were going to go for a
32:00double on that.
32:02Is the checkpoint essentially to its
32:05core and finally connected {slash}
32:09related to a topographic feature?
32:16Let me take a look at that. Good luck.
32:20And finally connected. That's really
32:23tricky wording. I'm not quite sure how
32:24to answer this. Um
32:29I mean, probably the most accurate
32:30answer based on how I interpret that
32:32question is uh
32:35yes, there is there is some implication
32:37there.
32:38Okay.
32:40Can you tell us how you know a searcher
32:43was near the checkpoint? Follow-up.
32:47Does it have to do You want to Oh, I
32:49thought you were going to answer in the
32:50middle. I'm like, "Okay." Does it have
32:51to do with the technology or similar
32:53concept as layer five via personal
32:56confession {slash} contact or something
32:58else?
33:00Shall I read that four more times?
33:02>> Yes, please.
33:02>> Okay, good.
33:04Can you tell I'm going to read the
33:05question and then I'll read the
33:06follow-up. Can you tell us how you know
33:08a searcher was near the checkpoint?
33:15I'm not going to say the exact way, but
33:17there are a number of ways that
33:19people have conveyed to me where they're
33:21searching. Uh that can be through
33:24email, it can be through messenger, it
33:26can be through Discord, I can see it on
33:29a uh a Facebook forum, I can see it uh
33:32in a number of different venues.
33:35And uh some additional avenues beyond
33:39that as well. And so, in one of those
33:43hemispheres or spheres, uh
33:46I have
33:47come to learn that at least or there
33:50have been more than one person that have
33:51been close to the checkpoint.
33:53The follow-up will help with this.
33:56Does it have to do with the technology
33:58or similar concept as layer five via
34:01personal confession {slash} contact or
34:03something else?
34:05It is true to say that layer five has
34:08some bearing on the treasure hunt.
34:11Okay.
34:13How many searchers
34:16Nope, that's what we've already asked
34:17that. It got moved down. Don't down
34:19arrow, guys.
34:20They're messing with you.
34:21>> I know. I'm like, "Don't you know I'm
34:23just trying to read like a big girl?" Um
34:26is there a specific Nope. Is it No, I'm
34:28just messing myself up. Is there a
34:30significant clue visible if the treasure
34:33seeker is standing 15 ft away from where
34:36the treasure container is buried buried
34:38or hidden?
34:40Okay.
34:41Is there a significant clue visible if
34:44the treasure seeker is standing 15 ft
34:46away from where the treasure container
34:48is buried or hidden?
34:51Tricky wording again. Boy.
34:54>> We're becoming known for it.
35:02The most accurate answer is
35:05no.
35:07Okay.
35:09You're going to love this question
35:11primarily because the answer is today to
35:13date, we have sold 1,006
35:17tickets between cash and the website.
35:25If we don't hit 11:11,
35:28what is the scene you would have
35:29eliminated from Golden Greek?
35:33I actually feel like we kind of did this
35:35earlier and that is the
35:38the lawyer's office, Carl's.
35:40Uh that that whole scene
35:42uh no intentional clues at all. That was
35:44just uh
35:46uh something that the crew did, you
35:48know, the Netflix crew, Jared and so
35:49forth, and I was had zero involvement
35:52and zero influence on that whole scene.
35:56Excellent.
35:58I didn't think we were going to get that
36:00one.
36:03His realm. Is he living or was he ever
36:06living?
36:10That depends on your perspective.
36:13Someday we're going to learn how to ask
36:15that question.
36:17When you ruled out a state, does that
36:19mean it's ruled out for clues {slash}
36:22stops along the way and or final
36:24location or would it only pertain to the
36:27only the final location?
36:29That is an excellent question.
36:33I'm going to read it again.
36:34Good job, Rogue.
36:36When you ruled out a state, does that
36:38mean it's ruled out for clues {slash}
36:40stops along the way and or final
36:43location or would it only pertain to
36:45only the final location? Who Who asked
36:48this question?
36:49>> That would be Rogue.
36:51Was it?
36:53Well, wherever you are, Rogue.
36:55>> there. Oh, I see.
36:58Um
36:59I'm glad you asked. And I don't want
37:02this to spin out of control in any way,
37:05so
37:06the when I say eliminate a state, I mean
37:09that
37:10you don't need to worry about it. Like
37:12there are no clues in that state,
37:15there's no treasure in that state.
37:17It's complete elimination.
37:21Oh, that's big.
37:23That's actually a big big big one in my
37:26opinion.
37:27You've mentioned it took multiple trips
37:29to inconspicuously hide the treasure.
37:32Was this achieved in a single day or
37:34multiple days? Summit rules say no
37:37punting.
37:38>> [snorts]
37:39>> Summit rules, huh?
37:41It's like Fight Club.
37:43Fight Club. I mean, who who am I to
37:45break Summit rules and and ask you to
37:47punt when you want to?
37:52The
37:53all of the trips
37:55to hide the
37:57the treasure
38:00were done within a 24-hour time span.
38:04Okay.
38:07Are the clocks part of the cipher?
38:11Are the clocks part of the cipher?
38:13>> Yes.
38:14Are the clocks part of the cipher?
38:19Are the clocks part of the cipher? Yes.
38:25Okay.
38:32I don't like that look.
38:34Was the animal scene one that made you
38:36feel free?
38:40Oh, fear. Sorry, fear.
38:42Was the animal that I saw
38:44>> remember how you talked about in I
38:46recall
38:46>> Sandal's episode. Was the animal scene
38:49on that
38:50one that made you feel fear? I read that
38:53wrong.
38:53>> Yeah. Mm.
38:56Uh no. The animal I did not I did not
38:59get any sense of fear in myself by
39:01seeing the animal, no.
39:05Okay. Oh, and for those that don't know,
39:07uh
39:08I know there's a lot of interviews and
39:09stuff out there. It's hard to keep up on
39:11this stuff, so
39:12>> [clears throat]
39:12>> what I mentioned in the interview
39:14actually with Sandal uh
39:17is that
39:19upon along the way of hiding the
39:21treasure
39:22hiding the treasure, I saw uh
39:25an animal that I had never seen before.
39:28And it was uh
39:30a very surprising experience to me. I
39:32felt uh
39:36I felt
39:37a lot of gratitude to see that. Um
39:40felt to me like almost like a
39:42once-in-a-lifetime thing.
39:44And uh anyway, that's that's the
39:46backstory. And no, I didn't feel any
39:48fear
39:50when I saw it. It was actually quite the
39:51opposite. But did you feel free? No,
39:53just kidding.
39:54Um
39:55during your interview on X Marks the
39:58Pod, a question at
40:0015 minutes and 8 seconds
40:02of possible trinkets that might be found
40:04along the way, you answered in the
40:07context of trinkets, there is something
40:09along the way that will help
40:11significantly. Would you elaborate?
40:16Boy, what else can I say? I mean, that
40:18was pretty valid though. Like, they had
40:19the timestamp, but
40:22Um
40:24wow, how how else to phrase this? Uh
40:30it's it's pivotal.
40:33It's pivotal to your
40:36to your journey.
40:40Are the ancient gates a very obvious
40:42location, or is it possible to locate
40:45the bride without being certain of the
40:47ancient gates' location?
40:50Hm.
40:51I think it would be a little strange
40:54for you to discover
40:57the bride without understanding
41:00the gates.
41:08Is it possible for a searcher who is
41:10actively working on the hunt and boots
41:13on the ground for their solve to be at
41:15the checkpoint location and not
41:18recognize it?
41:21I suppose that depends on how close you
41:23are to the checkpoint.
41:27I I don't mean to be obtuse.
41:30Sorry.
41:31I hear you say no.
41:32>> [laughter]
41:33>> Uh but it is the it is the correct
41:35answer. Yeah.
41:37Do your rules rule out railroad tracks?
41:40Do the rules rule out railroad tracks?
41:46Uh which rule in particular are we
41:48talking about?
41:49>> suspect the man-made part is what
41:50they're going for. I see.
41:53Yeah, [snorts] I mean, I think we I I
41:54talked a little bit about this concept
41:56of it's it's true to say that some
41:59people could interpret one of the clues
42:01as having a man-made implication
42:05uh depending on how you interpret the
42:06poem.
42:07Um but it is it is um
42:11uh I think based on how the rules are
42:13described, uh railroad tracks are are
42:16ruled out.
42:18Yeah.
42:19Do you need to move any rocks?
42:22Do you need to move rocks? Any rocks?
42:25Any rocks?
42:27Uh I'm
42:28I'm going to I'm going to punt on that
42:30one. Oh. Yeah.
42:33What pep talk would you give to a seeker
42:36who is very close to either the
42:38checkpoint or the location? I feel like
42:40I know who asked this question.
42:44Hm. Tell me who you think it is, and
42:45I'll tell you if you're right.
42:50At the risk of sounding cliché,
42:53uh
42:55the night is darkest before the light.
42:58And if you are confident
43:02in the location which you're searching,
43:05I see little reason to stray.
43:08Uh but I suppose it really boils down to
43:11how you built that confidence.
43:16Are there any clues in the Tucker poem?
43:21That's a pointed question. Are there any
43:23clues in the Tucker poem?
43:32Uh I mean, I think a reasonable person
43:34would say
43:37that
43:39that poem is helpful.
43:43You've met Oh, see.
43:51Would the clock in the documentary have
43:53been as equally effective if the numbers
43:56on the face were not Stop up roaring.
44:00Were were not Roman numerals? Was the
44:02using Roman numerals purposeful? I see.
44:05So, just to rephrase to make sure I
44:07understand, uh were the the numbers on
44:10the clock
44:11um
44:12Were the Roman numerals helpful, or did
44:14it matter?
44:18>> It makes no difference whether or not
44:20the clock had Roman numerals or uh
44:23traditional digits in the American
44:25culture.
44:31Are numbers in the poem ever indirectly
44:34encoded? Ergo, word play, homophones, or
44:38hidden within words? And if so,
44:42does this assist either directionally
44:44and or
44:46help with measured paces?
44:50All right, we're going to have to parse
44:50this one. Hold on.
44:51>> Okay. Let's go by Let's go point by
44:53point. Are numbers in the poem ever
44:56indirectly encoded?
44:58Are numbers
45:00in the poem indirectly encoded?
45:04Boy,
45:05uh indirectly, that's a tricky one.
45:08>> you options. Word play, homophones,
45:10Yeah, yeah.
45:11Well, so so Hold on. We're talking about
45:13numbers, but now we're talking about
45:14homophones. Are we talking about a
45:15homophone that represents a number?
45:18I mean, ergo.
45:20It's a tricky question.
45:23I'm not trying to be as too much of a
45:24stickler, but I know I know how this
45:26goes in the sense that afterwards people
45:28will pick this apart and say, "You said
45:30this." You know?
45:31>> [laughter]
45:31>> So, I want to make sure I get it right.
45:33You want to hear the second part again?
45:35Huh? You want to hear the second part
45:36again? So, let me let me just break it
45:38down a little bit, and I'll I'll try and
45:39answer it the best that I know how. Um
45:43Are there numbers indirectly associated
45:47with the poem? Regardless of what the
45:49question is, this is the one I'm
45:50answering. Okay. [laughter]
45:52Uh
45:53and I think
45:54uh the answer is is yes.
45:57And
45:59the other question about homophones and
46:00so on, I'm not going to touch that. But
46:02what was the other part? Okay, the other
46:04part is and if so, does this assist
46:07either directionally
46:09and or help with measured paces {slash}
46:12distance to the final locations while
46:14boots on the ground?
46:15Yeah, I mean, there there there is a a
46:17distance element in terms of following
46:19clues in the poem.
46:21Um
46:22but I'm not going to rule rule out
46:24things like homophones and whatever
46:27whatever else was mentioned.
46:28>> options. It was like word play, hidden
46:30numbers were hidden within words.
46:31>> No, I think I'd like to keep those in
46:33play. Okay.
46:34>> Yeah.
46:35I feel like you answered a big chunk of
46:37this earlier, but there's some
46:38specifics, so I'm going to read it.
46:40There are multiple word and numerical
46:42discrepancies between the book versus
46:44the audio {slash} ebook within specific
46:46sentences. Are these intentional? If so,
46:49can you This is long. If so, can you
46:52explain their significance whether
46:53they're related to the cipher {slash}
46:55container, physical boots on the ground
46:57solve, or part of the armchair solve
46:59prior to the boots on the ground? Here's
47:00your examples.
47:02Big hill mentioned in Idaho book versus
47:05Utah.
47:07Yeah. Doc's death,
47:091940 versus 1949.
47:12Running down the hill, 6 and 1/2 miles
47:14versus 3 miles.
47:16Grandpa Fitzwater's age, 83 versus 86.
47:20So, the
47:22for those [clears throat] that don't
47:23know, I I did publish an errata that's
47:25on the website treasure.quest,
47:28and it is a running tally of the things
47:29that people have found that were
47:32unintentional inaccuracies in the book.
47:34And I the the purpose of that is to make
47:37sure that people don't spend time on
47:38things that don't matter, that were
47:40truly just mistakes.
47:42And so, [snorts]
47:43I'd encourage you to look at that
47:44errata,
47:46and it's possible that people have maybe
47:49emailed me new things that should be
47:50part of the errata that I missed.
47:53Uh so, feel free to re-email those. But
47:56I I heard a couple specific ones here.
47:57There was a question around the
47:58discrepancy in my grandfather's age. Uh
48:01that is that is not intentional. It's If
48:05if it's there, it's a mistake.
48:06And then I think you mentioned something
48:08else around uh
48:09Utah versus Yeah, in the big hill
48:13in the book, it's Idaho, and in the
48:15audio, it's Utah.
48:16>> That was uh surprisingly an an audiobook
48:20uh narrator error.
48:22So, that is not intentional.
48:26Doc's death, 1940 versus 1949. If
48:29there's a discrepancy there that's not
48:31in the errata, it should be. So, it's
48:33not intentional. Last but not least,
48:35running downhill, 6 and 1/2 miles in the
48:37book versus 3 miles in the audio.
48:41Hm, let me take a look at that one.
48:46Uh that's interesting. I actually didn't
48:47know that existed. But if if there is
48:49that discrepancy, it is certainly
48:51unintentional. Not intentional.
48:53Okay.
48:55Does one need to be at the bride to
48:57identify her foot of three or some
48:59distance away?
49:05You
49:08You guys are tricky.
49:21One more time.
49:22Sorry. Does one need to be at the bride
49:25to identify her foot of three or some
49:28distance away?
49:35Uh
49:36>> [sighs]
49:36>> that's a hard to answer. Um
49:41You
49:42Ah, I you know, if if
49:46I guess it does make sense. Let me take
49:48one more look at it. Sorry, guys. I want
49:49to make sure I get this right.
49:51I should have looked at these questions
49:53beforehand.
49:55Yeah, you should have. Does one need to
49:58be at the bride to identify her foot of
50:02three
50:03or some distance away? No.
50:05There you go.
50:10Okay.
50:13When and where
50:16was the first place Brandon joined you
50:18on your boots on the ground search for
50:20Forrest's treasure?
50:22The first time Brandon joined me on
50:25the Forrest Fenn treasure was
50:29in Yellowstone.
50:31And it was at
50:33Iron Springs.
50:37Does the location of the treasure truly
50:38predate any of the locations you
50:40searched for the first Forrest Fenn
50:42treasure?
50:44No, I have not specified. I was thinking
50:47I hadn't heard that one.
50:49Does the location of the treasure Oh,
50:52wait, sorry. It moved again. Is the
50:54checkpoint location visible in Golden
50:56Greed?
50:57Is the checkpoint location visible
51:00in gold and greed?
51:04No.
51:07Okay. Ew,
51:08goodness. Not specifically, no. Is
51:10Shadowed sight from the perspective of
51:13the searcher a location or a concept?
51:17I'm going to have to look at that one.
51:21Is Shadowed sight from the perspective
51:25of the searcher a location or a concept?
51:37Both.
51:43This is so fun.
51:47When you were hiding the treasure, you
51:49said you saw an animal in the wild for
51:51the first time. Which animal class did
51:53it belong to?
51:56Which animal class did it belong to?
52:00Um
52:03It was mammalian.
52:07>> [laughter]
52:09>> I almost said something so bad.
52:11Um okay. What's your favorite story from
52:14your grandfather's book, Where the hell
52:17did you come from?
52:20Golly, there's a lot of good stories in
52:22there.
52:24I like the story about the time that he
52:29uh
52:30confronted a poacher
52:33at a cabin where they were having a
52:35poker game.
52:37And
52:38due to some belligerence, uh he was
52:41forced to bring this individual in and
52:44he started acting up in the car
52:46and they had a little bit of a a
52:48standoff, if you will.
52:50Uh I think just that really encapsulates
52:53my grandfather in the sense that
52:55he was actually small in stature, uh
52:58especially compared to me.
53:00Uh and he was very good-natured
53:03uh until he wasn't. And there was a very
53:06clear line and
53:08you never had to guess which side of the
53:10line you were on.
53:12And uh I I just feel like that that
53:15story kind of personifies
53:17or really
53:18brings that out uh in his character. So,
53:21I I like the story.
53:25If someone locates the checkpoint, is it
53:28still available for others to find or is
53:30it something that can be taken and no
53:32one else can find?
53:35Yeah, I'm going to punt on that one.
53:42I think you might punt on this one, too.
53:46Where exactly is the location of the
53:47treasure?
53:50>> [cheering]
53:56>> Well, that's a question.
53:58I mean, that one seems very dis-
54:01succinct.
54:01>> Can I see that? Sure.
54:04Are you looking at who it is?
54:08Where exactly is the location of the
54:11treasure?
54:13I feel like I got that one out okay.
54:19I mean
54:23I mean, how exact do you want to be?
54:26I mean, it's on Earth.
54:27Uh
54:27>> [laughter]
54:28>> um
54:29I really don't know the right way to
54:31answer this. I'm just
54:32>> a really good video if you want me to
54:33help you.
54:34>> Oh, yeah? The American West. The
54:36American West.
54:44It's certainly not a place that you have
54:46to go many miles to find.
54:48Um
54:49I think what I've seen in the treasure
54:51hunt is
54:53uh
54:55you know, there there are a number of
54:56people that are
54:57are going pretty deep
54:59into the wilderness.
55:01And there are some people that are that
55:04are certainly taking
55:06uh risks.
55:08And this is
55:09really not something that you need to
55:11do. And I I know it's kind of
55:12subjective, like what what defines a
55:14risk.
55:15Uh but I do see people that
55:18uh are
55:19still repelling into caves and
55:22and uh
55:23uh looking on cli- you know,
55:25cliff sides and
55:27uh gosh, you you don't need rope.
55:30If you need rope, then it's the wrong
55:32it's not the right location.
55:35Um
55:38But yeah, I I know that doesn't at all
55:39answer the question, but it's the best I
55:41got.
55:41>> [laughter]
55:42>> I think that was pretty good
55:43considering.
55:51With many seekers in Tucson right now,
55:53some may try to locate your brother's
55:55memorial. How does that make you feel?
56:04When I wrote the book and this Netflix
56:07series came to pass,
56:09I knew that was a risk.
56:11And what I will say is that uh
56:15the area in which my brother's memorial
56:17is located is very rough country.
56:20And
56:21uh I do not suggest that anyone try to
56:25go there. And I think as I've conveyed
56:28before, the treasure is not in the
56:30immediate vicinity
56:32of that memorial.
56:34Um
56:37So, there's
56:38there's in terms of the treasure hunt,
56:40there's really no need to go to it.
56:45Okay. Thank you.
56:52In the poem Beyond the Map's Edge, are
56:55there any references to specific Native
56:58American legends?
57:01I have not specified.
57:03That's true, he hasn't.
57:06When you say you don't need to hike more
57:08than a mile to figure out where the
57:09treasure is at,
57:11is that from start to finish or just
57:13when you're when one is going and
57:15retrieving? What is the approximate
57:18hiking distance from the beginning to
57:20end of the poem?
57:25Uh I think the way that that I
57:26originally phrased it still stands. You
57:29certainly don't need to go more than a
57:30mile to figure out where the treasure's
57:31at. You're not going to be going many
57:33miles into the wilderness. This is meant
57:36to be a
57:38a somewhat kind of curated experience.
57:40Uh so,
57:43you know, I golly, you
57:46I mean, seriously, if you're getting to
57:47a point where you're needing to
57:50you know, drink many bottles of water or
57:52something like that, you're you're going
57:53too far.
57:55So,
57:56um
57:57it's actually, all things considered,
58:00uh the I mean, I I did it with a broken
58:03tibia. So,
58:05uh I mean, I was on the mend, but
58:09uh you you don't need to take any big
58:11risks here. I don't think that
58:12completely answers the question, but
58:14that's the best I got.
58:16Super close. Super close.
58:18What's one mistake you see participants
58:21consistently consistently make when
58:24interpreting clues? What mindset shift
58:27would help them improve?
58:29Uh I think it goes back to what I
58:30mentioned earlier in one of the
58:32sessions, and that is uh
58:35it might behoove people to
58:38uh
58:39take a Matt stance, Matt the editor. And
58:42what Matt mentioned is
58:44I
58:46he took his treasure hat off, right? And
58:49he he read the memoir as as a memoir.
58:52And no, you certainly don't need to read
58:54the memoir to find the treasure.
58:56Uh but for people that are having
58:58trouble and and needing more context and
59:01understanding of me and so on, which I
59:03think some understanding of me is
59:05important. Uh the memoir is helpful, and
59:08I think reading it as
59:10a memoir is useful.
59:13Uh
59:14And certainly there there you can read
59:16beyond that, and there I'm not saying
59:17that um you know, more semantic meaning
59:20of each of the the sentences isn't
59:22important, but uh I think it might be
59:25helpful for people to if you're getting
59:27in deep and you feel like you're going
59:28down many rabbit holes, probably the
59:30best reset is uh
59:33to just read it as a memoir.
59:37I like that.
59:39Is the hole in the poem the hint with
59:42the man-made implication?
59:44Let me take a look at that one. Yeah.
59:48Is the hole in the poem the hint with
59:51the man-made implication?
59:53No.
1:00:01What is your favorite childhood memory
1:00:03with your brother Brandon?
1:00:14Gosh, that's tough.
1:00:23This is going to sound strange.
1:00:25Um
1:00:27we used to build forts.
1:00:29Uh back
1:00:31behind the backyard and uh
1:00:35he was building a fort one day and I was
1:00:39spying.
1:00:40He didn't
1:00:41didn't know that I was watching and
1:00:44he was trying to build a bench
1:00:46and he had set up this
1:00:48kind of rickety ding metal metal thing
1:00:52and he sat on it and it it fell over.
1:00:56And it was the first time I heard him
1:00:58curse
1:00:59as a kid.
1:01:01Uh
1:01:02I won't repeat it here uh
1:01:04but
1:01:06he set that thing up it must have been
1:01:0817 times and sitting on it and falling
1:01:11over cursing and trying again and
1:01:14that replays in my mind.
1:01:19Um
1:01:21and I think it really
1:01:23it boils down to I think the resilience
1:01:26that he had even at a very young age. He
1:01:29was a very
1:01:30stubborn kid. Huh.
1:01:32But that's for whatever reason that one
1:01:35really sticks out to me and it's funny
1:01:37because I really wasn't involved. I was
1:01:38just an observer.
1:01:40Yeah.
1:01:44>> [applause]
1:01:51>> In an interview you were asked if you
1:01:53feel you could have used a different
1:01:56used a different words or phrase in the
1:01:59poem for greater clarification. Is bride
1:02:01one of those words?
1:02:03Let me take a look at that one.
1:02:04>> Yeah, I figured that was coming.
1:02:06In an interview you were asked if you
1:02:07feel you could have used a diff a
1:02:10different words or phrase in the poem
1:02:13for greater clarification. Is bride one
1:02:15of those words?
1:02:17Uh no, I'm I'm pretty pleased with that
1:02:19one.
1:02:24>> [snorts]
1:02:25>> For an optimal solve
1:02:27does the poem need to be read or
1:02:29rearranged in any way other than how
1:02:32it's represented on the website and in
1:02:35the book?
1:02:38Uh I'm not going to rule that out.
1:02:43Oh goodness.
1:02:44You mentioned earlier that the treasure
1:02:46location could be accessed
1:02:4930
1:02:50Oh, this has got to be somebody from
1:02:51another country. March 31st, 2025 at
1:02:538:10 p.m.
1:02:55Would people also have been able to
1:02:57locate the treasure at that time? They
1:02:59did like British time.
1:03:01I'm just going to reread this. Sorry, I
1:03:04I'm just making sure I want to get this
1:03:05right. Uh you mentioned earlier that the
1:03:07treasure location could be accessed
1:03:10March 31st, 2025 at 8:10 p.m.
1:03:14Would people also have been able to
1:03:16locate the treasure at that time?
1:03:19Uh and I think the answer is if you knew
1:03:22if you knew exactly where it was
1:03:25I you you could retrieve it.
1:03:28Um
1:03:29I'm not saying whether or not it would
1:03:32be
1:03:33easy, but it's possible.
1:03:37Is the bride a physical object like a
1:03:40river or mountain?
1:03:44Hm.
1:03:51Uh the bride is something that is
1:03:52visible.
1:03:55What is closer to the treasure, the
1:03:57checkpoint or where you figure out where
1:03:59the treasure is at?
1:04:01Oh my, let me take a look at that.
1:04:02Please do.
1:04:04What is closer to the treasure, the
1:04:06checkpoint or where you figure out where
1:04:09the treasure is at? Wait.
1:04:12That's a
1:04:13not quite sure I understand that
1:04:14question.
1:04:17I think the conjecture is that people
1:04:19think you say the checkpoint is a
1:04:21checkpoint in in one interview which
1:04:23there's a few out there you said
1:04:25that line. You said specifically the
1:04:27line
1:04:28where you figure out where the treasure
1:04:30is at as though the checkpoint wouldn't
1:04:32be that place.
1:04:34Um
1:04:36I'm struggling with how to answer this
1:04:37cuz I I'm not sure I totally understand
1:04:39the entirety of the question. Uh
1:04:42but the you know that the the the
1:04:43checkpoint is really a necessity in
1:04:45terms of finding the treasure. You'd be
1:04:46hard-pressed to
1:04:48uh to
1:04:50to get all the way without the
1:04:52without seeing the checkpoint.
1:04:55Yeah.
1:05:00When discussing the passing of Brandon
1:05:02in the documentary a B-roll clip of Red
1:05:05Mountain in North Phoenix is shown.
1:05:08Brandon was found in the Rincons west of
1:05:10Tucson. Was the Red Mountain clip chosen
1:05:13by the documentary crew as a fill-in or
1:05:16was it chosen specifically for the scene
1:05:18by Justin? That was B-roll that was
1:05:20chosen by the crew. I didn't have any
1:05:23influence or involvement in that.
1:05:26Is the location where you hid your
1:05:28treasure within 75 miles of the place
1:05:30where you searched for the Forrest Fenn
1:05:31chest?
1:05:3675 miles.
1:05:39Not 76.
1:05:44Um
1:05:4775 I searched a lot of places, guys.
1:05:51Uh so yeah, I mean it's it's it's true
1:05:53to say that at some point I had searched
1:05:56for the Fenn treasure within that
1:05:5775-mile
1:05:59radius. Yeah.
1:06:03Interesting.
1:06:07Is the location where you hid your Oops.
1:06:10How many hints clues hints/clues are in
1:06:13the stories in the book and not
1:06:15including the poem?
1:06:17Uh I have to read that.
1:06:19>> [snorts]
1:06:20>> How many hints/clues
1:06:22are in the stories in the book not
1:06:25including the poem?
1:06:27Uh I haven't counted them, but there are
1:06:29there are several.
1:06:31Uh and I also want to make sure that
1:06:33people understand
1:06:35the answer that I gave in the prior
1:06:37question
1:06:38because when I first heard about the
1:06:40Fenn treasure
1:06:42I
1:06:44I had a question for Forrest in terms of
1:06:46he said it was hidden in the Rocky
1:06:48Mountains and my question was is it any
1:06:51Rocky Mountain or is it the official
1:06:53Rocky Mountains?
1:06:54And so
1:06:56that led me down a whole other rabbit
1:06:58hole and thinking that my gosh, it might
1:07:01not actually be in the Rocky Mountains.
1:07:03Uh so
1:07:06I guess what I'm saying is I don't want
1:07:07someone to get the impression that
1:07:09necessarily I've you know eliminated a
1:07:11bunch of states or something like that.
1:07:13So
1:07:14Yeah.
1:07:17>> [snorts]
1:07:17>> Does "I wait for you to cast your pole"
1:07:19refer to a fishing pole?
1:07:21I have not specified.
1:07:25Is the hunt 24/7 accessible year round?
1:07:31Um
1:07:33is the hunt 24/7 accessible year round?
1:07:35I mean I suppose that would depend on
1:07:36your definition of accessibility, but it
1:07:38would be possible.
1:07:41Is double arcs on granitable the clue
1:07:43with the man-made implication?
1:07:46Hm.
1:07:48Uh punt.
1:07:49Yeah.
1:07:51Do you need to get your feet wet to
1:07:52obtain the treasure?
1:07:55You don't have to.
1:08:01I have so many follow-up questions.
1:08:04Is there a time travel element to the
1:08:07hunt?
1:08:08Sorry, time travel?
1:08:11Boy, that would be cool.
1:08:13>> [laughter]
1:08:16>> Uh not to my knowledge. No.
1:08:20Is all footage in the Golden Greedy
1:08:22documentary that you wished to be in the
1:08:25documentary actually in the documentary?
1:08:29Yeah, I'd be hard-pressed to think of a
1:08:30scene that didn't make it. Um there were
1:08:33I got I feel like I got really lucky.
1:08:35The universe was in
1:08:37in my my corner that
1:08:39that day when it came together because
1:08:42uh I everything that I really wanted to
1:08:44be included got included.
1:08:47Not sure how to take this one.
1:08:49The latest bribe
1:08:50a wrinkled $20 bill and I will take a
1:08:52picture with you. 10 square mile area is
1:08:55good enough. Don't want to be greedy.
1:08:59Um okay.
1:09:02>> [laughter]
1:09:04>> Uh
1:09:05I don't know what to
1:09:06what to say [laughter] to that one. I
1:09:09too don't even know what to think about
1:09:11that one.
1:09:13Do the states you've chosen Oh, the
1:09:15people who Do the states you've chosen
1:09:17for the summit event have anything to do
1:09:20with the treasure where the treasure is
1:09:22located?
1:09:23Well, I'm certainly not going to rule
1:09:24them out. Uh there was a lot of things
1:09:26that actually went into choosing this
1:09:28location. For those that are not aware,
1:09:30we were actually looking for a location
1:09:32that had easy access for everybody that
1:09:34was low cost, that had a preferably an
1:09:36international airport. You know, at some
1:09:38point we had looked at
1:09:41I mean, I think even a few people had
1:09:42thrown around places in Utah and even
1:09:45over in New Mexico. And then we also
1:09:48talked to people up in Phoenix. I think
1:09:51we got a quote for $83,000.
1:09:54>> $83,000 what? I think the highest we got
1:09:56was like 162. Yeah. So, not cheap.
1:09:59Venues are surprisingly expensive.
1:10:02And and so, that's how we actually ended
1:10:04up in the Tucson area is because the the
1:10:06price point is still pretty cheap for
1:10:09everybody to come in and accommodations
1:10:11were reasonable. And we were not
1:10:13conflicting with the Gem and Mineral
1:10:14Show, which is a huge huge thing here.
1:10:17And actually, funny story, originally we
1:10:20booked at Old Tucson Studios.
1:10:23And I thought that would have been a
1:10:24really fun venue as well. And uh
1:10:28I feel like we got a little lucky in the
1:10:30sense that we didn't expect this heat
1:10:31wave this early. Yeah. And much of Old
1:10:33Tucson Studios is outdoors.
1:10:35But they actually double-booked. And so,
1:10:38they had to back out. And
1:10:41thankfully, the Expo Center was
1:10:42available and the air conditioning
1:10:43worked out great. So, here we are. I do
1:10:45love it. I love the air conditioning.
1:10:53>> [snorts]
1:10:54>> Would a snorkel be helpful in this
1:10:56treasure hunt?
1:10:58Would a snorkel be helpful? Wow.
1:11:01Sounds dangerous. No.
1:11:03A vehicle snorkel or are we talking
1:11:07a human snorkel? But
1:11:09They did not specify.
1:11:10>> Words matter.
1:11:12I'd say generally no.
1:11:15If you're going snorkeling, please just
1:11:18and looking for the treasure, just
1:11:19don't.
1:11:20>> [laughter]
1:11:21>> Not needed.
1:11:22Has the third stanza of the poem been
1:11:25solved? Let me take a look.
1:11:29I want to make sure I get this right.
1:11:31Third stanza. In Ursa East
1:11:34his realm awaits. His bride stands
1:11:37guarded at ancient gates.
1:11:40Her
1:11:42foot of three at 20° returned her face
1:11:44to find the place. A part of this stanza
1:11:46has been solved.
1:11:49Yeah.
1:11:50At least part.
1:11:52Has anyone figured out where or what the
1:11:54hole is in the poem?
1:11:58Yes.
1:12:01You said that up to halfway of the
1:12:03second stanza of the
1:12:05Pretty much you just answered this. But
1:12:06I'll read it anyway. You said that up to
1:12:07halfway of the second stanza of the poem
1:12:09has been solved. If so, can you say how
1:12:11many more clues have been solved?
1:12:15You know, it's
1:12:16different clues Some different clues
1:12:18have been solved from different people.
1:12:20You know, if I look at the
1:12:22say the the person that I'm aware of in
1:12:24the world that has solved the most
1:12:28of this, I would say that they've solved
1:12:30at least
1:12:35at least six clues.
1:12:38Justin, how exhausting is it to have
1:12:41cryptically cryptically Wait. How
1:12:44exhausting is it to have to cryptically
1:12:45answer question after question about
1:12:47your hunt? Will you miss that or be
1:12:49relieved after the hunt ends?
1:12:52Huh.
1:12:54You know, I
1:12:55these [clears throat] Q&A sessions are
1:12:57are kind of interesting to me cuz I
1:12:59I do like to think on my feet and it's
1:13:02it's it's kind of a fun challenge to
1:13:03make sure that I answer this the best
1:13:05way that I know how.
1:13:06Um
1:13:08But yeah, I mean, I suppose over time it
1:13:09gets a little little taxing at times,
1:13:11but I'm still having a lot of fun with
1:13:13it and I hope you guys are too.
1:13:17>> [applause]
1:13:20>> Have you ever seen a wolverine in the
1:13:22wild?
1:13:24Was that Cynthia?
1:13:26Yes, I have.
1:13:27Yes.
1:13:34Is Shadowed Sight from the perspective
1:13:36of the searcher a location We already
1:13:38have that. They got down arrowed.
1:13:41I guess they didn't like that question.
1:13:45Ooh. Do you have a solution for the
1:13:47harmful effects of data centers? How do
1:13:49we balance technology and nature? Wow.
1:13:53Uh
1:13:55That's different. I like it. Uh so, I
1:13:57actually think data centers are a very
1:13:58temporary problem.
1:14:00And what we're seeing right now is all
1:14:01across the country, there's these land
1:14:03grabs and we're seeing a lot of concern
1:14:05about these big data centers rolling out
1:14:07and all this energy that they're going
1:14:08to be using.
1:14:10And it's true. It's that is concerning,
1:14:12but
1:14:14I maybe have a radical viewpoint on
1:14:15this, but I think within the next 5
1:14:17years we will actually have the world's
1:14:19first data centers in space.
1:14:22And that actually solves our problems in
1:14:25many regards. One is that it's optimal
1:14:27temperatures for data centers. You don't
1:14:29have to worry about the heating problem
1:14:31that we have right now, which is sucking
1:14:32up so much energy.
1:14:34And if you think about it, with the sun,
1:14:35we use less than 1 millionth of a
1:14:37percent of the sun's energy today.
1:14:40And if we are in space
1:14:42with
1:14:44appropriate technology, we can harness
1:14:46much more of what the sun has to offer.
1:14:48And so, we solve the energy problem
1:14:50almost overnight. And then the only
1:14:52thing left in space is how do you
1:14:53transmit the data back to Earth. And it
1:14:56turns out lasers are pretty good at
1:14:57that. And we actually have the
1:14:59technology to do that now. So, I think
1:15:01within the next 5 years it will be a
1:15:02solved problem. I know it's very
1:15:04concerning right now.
1:15:05But I think we're we're right at the
1:15:08inflection point of solving that.
1:15:13>> [applause]
1:15:13>> I love how when you talk tech, you get
1:15:15so enthusiastic.
1:15:18Okay, are there multiple meanings to
1:15:20Castor Pollux?
1:15:24I think people can interpret it in
1:15:26different ways, but there's only one
1:15:27correct interpretation.
1:15:32I heard that.
1:15:34Which one?
1:15:35>> [laughter]
1:15:35>> Sorry. You have said that there are no
1:15:38clues in the legal section. Is it
1:15:39correct then that the Angsar is not a
1:15:41clue?
1:15:45Yeah, so turns out that Angsar is in the
1:15:47legal section, isn't it? Um
1:15:50I
1:15:51I think the fairest answer is that
1:15:53the Angsar itself that appears in the
1:15:55legal section
1:15:57that that particular symbol is you can
1:15:59you can rule out because it's in the
1:16:01legal section. And for those that don't
1:16:03know, at some point somebody asked me to
1:16:05eliminate I think a chapter where um
1:16:08where there are no clues. And so, I
1:16:09mentioned probably the the the best one
1:16:11to eliminate is the legal lowdown.
1:16:13There's no intentional clues that I
1:16:15recall in that chapter and there's a
1:16:17little Angsar symbol that those are
1:16:19familiar with
1:16:20that resides in that chapter. And that
1:16:22very specific symbol is not
1:16:25Yeah, I mean, it's it's okay. You don't
1:16:26have to worry about that.
1:16:28But also pay attention to that chapter.
1:16:31Huh.
1:16:32Yes, please.
1:16:36How long of a period did you go without
1:16:38seeing a person when you were headed to
1:16:40the final location of the treasure?
1:16:44Yeah, so when I went to hide the
1:16:46treasure, it
1:16:47turns out it's actually really hard to
1:16:49be anonymous and private in the US.
1:16:52Even very simple things like driving to
1:16:54the store.
1:16:56It's not easy because you have a license
1:16:57plate and that license plate, there are
1:17:00many different cameras that see you
1:17:02along the way. And so, there is a record
1:17:04that develops.
1:17:06So, anonymous travel is very hard and I
1:17:10really wanted to be seen by the least
1:17:12amount of people possible. And so, my
1:17:14route was convoluted.
1:17:16It was very deliberate and
1:17:19very taxing, you could say.
1:17:21And I did it twice. And the first time
1:17:24was that kind of a dry run to make sure
1:17:26I kind of got the kinks worked out.
1:17:29Um
1:17:31But
1:17:32overall, extremely few people ever
1:17:36saw me along the way.
1:17:38And that's for a multitude of reasons.
1:17:40And in cases where people did see me, I
1:17:43was actually in skies.
1:17:46>> [laughter]
1:17:47>> That helped.
1:17:50Do I need a wizard staff during any part
1:17:52of the hunt?
1:17:54Every journey needs a good walking
1:17:56stick.
1:17:58Before we go on, I want to tell you that
1:18:00it's 7:08.
1:18:01Should we I can't remember what Jam,
1:18:05what was the How long were we supposed
1:18:06to go to?
1:18:087:40?
1:18:0920. So, we have 12 minutes. Okay.
1:18:10>> are troopers. I feel like I'm putting
1:18:12everybody to sleep here.
1:18:16Yeah, they I can't believe this whole
1:18:17first row is not out cold.
1:18:19Um if you've made a tangible progress,
1:18:22is the map in the book still useful or
1:18:24is it most useful in the beginning of
1:18:26the hunt? If you've made tangible
1:18:28progress, is the book and Is the map in
1:18:31the book still useful or is it most
1:18:34useful in the beginning of the hunt?
1:18:37I think it's a good I think it's a good
1:18:39primer.
1:18:41Yeah.
1:18:47What are you willing to elaborate about
1:18:49the structure logic {slash} logic of the
1:18:51poem as it guides you through the clues?
1:18:55There's nothing that I'm aware of that
1:18:57needs clarification right now.
1:19:00Dang. Okay. Thank goodness.
1:19:06>> [gasps]
1:19:07>> Say and answer a question you're shocked
1:19:11no one has asked pertaining to your
1:19:13hunt.
1:19:17And answer.
1:19:21That is a good one.
1:19:25Boy.
1:19:27I mean, I can think of a lot of
1:19:29questions.
1:19:30I'm just trying to decide which one.
1:19:33You're going to love the next question.
1:19:36Huh.
1:19:40I mean, you know, at this point in the
1:19:41in the in the treasure hunt, when I say
1:19:43that you know, I can think of a lot of
1:19:44questions, many people have asked many
1:19:47questions. And so, I'm I'm hard-pressed
1:19:50to say
1:19:51uh
1:19:55Boy, this is a tough one, guys. Hang on.
1:19:57Give me a moment.
1:20:01I need to pace again. I'm sorry.
1:20:08>> [laughter]
1:20:08>> Walk the size of a kitchen.
1:20:13Mhm.
1:20:17Sure, I'm glad to read it.
1:20:20Say and answer a question that you're
1:20:23shocked no one has asked pertaining to
1:20:26your hunt.
1:20:28So, basically, they're asking him to
1:20:30pick a question and answer it, but he
1:20:32hasn't ever had it before.
1:20:35You like that clarification? I I mean, I
1:20:37really like this. And I mean, I can I
1:20:39can think of actually one very specific
1:20:41question that would be extremely useful
1:20:43to ask, but
1:20:45if I pose it to myself
1:20:48uh
1:20:49It's actually something I can't pose to
1:20:51myself. Um
1:20:53but I know somebody actually out there
1:20:55probably already knows the question.
1:20:57Um
1:20:58and I'm keeping an eye out for it. So,
1:21:00we'll we'll stay tuned on that one. But
1:21:02I I uh I can think of a question.
1:21:05I'm sorry, I can't I can't verbalize it,
1:21:07though.
1:21:12Okay.
1:21:14This is Slow Stellar. We've asked you
1:21:17and one other thou- and one and other
1:21:20thousand questions.
1:21:21What are three to four different
1:21:23questions you would ask a seeker of your
1:21:26treasure that could help them understand
1:21:29the journey you've created and have
1:21:32embarked upon? If possible, please ask
1:21:35us at least one question related to
1:21:37boots on the ground, one related to the
1:21:39book, and one related to the poem, and
1:21:43one related to Golden Greed.
1:21:45Holy cow. Let me take a look at this.
1:21:47Slow Stellar. That was neither slow or
1:21:50stellar.
1:21:58What are three to four different
1:21:59questions you would ask a seeker of your
1:22:01treasure that could help them understand
1:22:03the journey you have created and we have
1:22:05embarked on?
1:22:07Um I you know, I
1:22:08I don't know if I'll do three to four,
1:22:10but I'll say that um
1:22:14in any for better or for worse
1:22:17in any treasure hunt, there is I don't
1:22:19like this term, but there is a creator.
1:22:22And
1:22:23every creator has motivations. They have
1:22:27a reason for doing what they do
1:22:30and something that that that drives
1:22:32them. And I think
1:22:34understanding that is important.
1:22:37Um
1:22:38no matter who is hiding a treasure. I
1:22:40mean, if you think about Forrest Fenn
1:22:42uh if you if you believe where the
1:22:45treasure was found at Nine Mile Hole
1:22:48he did it because of significance. And
1:22:50if you read the memoir as a memoir, I
1:22:53think a reasonable person who wasn't
1:22:55even looking for treasure could read
1:22:56that memoir and say, "Ah,
1:22:58you know what? That's a that's a
1:22:59recurring theme. That was important."
1:23:01Um
1:23:02and so, I'd say
1:23:04uh intent and understanding a little bit
1:23:08about the the person that hid it is
1:23:11is part of is part of it. [snorts]
1:23:13Um and I wish I I could say like there's
1:23:15a way to hide a treasure where you have
1:23:16no bias at all uh from your say your
1:23:19upbringing or the experiences you had,
1:23:21but
1:23:22uh I I actually don't know if that's
1:23:23possible. So, I'd say that just
1:23:26generally, it's not really a question
1:23:27you should ask, but um
1:23:29a theme, I guess you could say. I don't
1:23:31know if that helps or not.
1:23:39Fenn specifically mentioned Nine Mile
1:23:41Hole in his book
1:23:43which the clues led to the area. Do you
1:23:46mention the area for the first
1:23:48actionable clue in your book or what? Is
1:23:51your book written as more of a theme or
1:23:54of the general area?
1:23:57Oh, I have sorry, got to look again.
1:23:59I mean, I couldn't read that twice.
1:24:04Do you mention the area? I mean
1:24:07I'm I think probably in the book I at
1:24:09least mention the American West, so it's
1:24:11in the American West. I mean, I you
1:24:13know, it's interpretation here. I'm
1:24:14trying. So, uh I'd say um the the the
1:24:18very specific
1:24:20area is is not mentioned, but
1:24:23there are times in the book where
1:24:26uh descriptions
1:24:28uh pertain to the area where the
1:24:30treasure is hidden.
1:24:34The dedication feels layered and very
1:24:37intentional. Could you walk us through
1:24:40how it came together, when you wrote it,
1:24:42the headspace you were in at the time,
1:24:44what influences shaped it, what you
1:24:46hoped it would convey, and whether it
1:24:48was meant to acknowledge someone or
1:24:50something specific or something more
1:24:52symbolic?
1:24:54Yes. Uh the dedication was actually
1:24:56probably the last thing that I wrote.
1:24:58Actually, that's not true. It was the
1:24:59legal stuff.
1:25:01Uh but the dedication was the most the
1:25:04last meaningful thing that I wrote. And
1:25:06it is layered and it is intentional.
1:25:09Um
1:25:10the headspace that I was in was a a time
1:25:13of reflection and a time of what's to
1:25:17come. I was on the precipice of things
1:25:18really coming together. Uh I was
1:25:21certainly nervous about it, but uh yeah,
1:25:23it was really about reflection. And the
1:25:26influences that shaped it uh and and
1:25:29what I hoped to convey
1:25:31I mean, I think it's pretty clear that I
1:25:33am talking about a
1:25:35a person
1:25:36in that dedication. I
1:25:38I'm not going to say who that that
1:25:40person is, but it is somebody that is
1:25:43uh
1:25:45uh that is very special to me.
1:25:48And
1:25:50important in my life
1:25:52and I felt that it was an injustice not
1:25:54to do so.
1:26:03>> [laughter]
1:26:03>> You sent it back to me at the top. Silly
1:26:06technology.
1:26:07Okay.
1:26:11Okay, I found it. Nice try.
1:26:13Can you tell us more about your first
1:26:15elk hunt?
1:26:17My first elk hunt? Yeah.
1:26:20Uh
1:26:22my my earliest recollection is actually
1:26:24going to the Mogollon Rim in northern
1:26:27Arizona uh actually with my stepdad and
1:26:29my mom uh
1:26:31and we we camped there and I actually
1:26:34didn't um hunt at that time. I
1:26:37I had bow and arrow. I was really
1:26:38terrible at it and I was probably I was
1:26:40definitely too young and weak to even
1:26:42have a compound bow, so it was
1:26:44uh
1:26:46more like just kind of shooting and
1:26:47archery and target practice. Uh but my
1:26:50my stepfather and the whole hunting crew
1:26:52were there and and it was an elk hunt.
1:26:54And that's that's the earliest
1:26:55recollection that I have.
1:26:58Could you talk a bit about the Wyoming
1:27:00map you're holding in Golden Greed and
1:27:02how those circled areas fit in your Fenn
1:27:05solve, especially since they didn't come
1:27:06up come up in your Dal or Dale article?
1:27:10Oh gosh, yeah. I mean I mean, I looked
1:27:12at hundreds of locations for the Forrest
1:27:15Fenn treasure and I'm sure there was
1:27:17some on that map that I had circled that
1:27:19I was I was excited about and uh
1:27:22boy, we'd probably be here all night if
1:27:24we started talking about all the
1:27:25locations that I searched, but uh there
1:27:27were certainly some circled on that map.
1:27:31Are there poem clues that reference or
1:27:33are related to the sport of golf?
1:27:36Uh let me read that one. Sorry.
1:27:38Are there
1:27:40poem clues that reference or relate to
1:27:43the sport of golf?
1:27:45I I haven't specified on that one.
1:27:50Oh, wow.
1:27:51We are in stre- instructed to walk near
1:27:54water silent flight, round the bend,
1:27:56past the hole. If the entire poem is
1:27:59understood, is it intended we walk
1:28:02without driving to the treasure location
1:28:04from where from here, where we are
1:28:06instructed to walk?
1:28:08Yeah, I'm I'm I'm not going to narrow
1:28:10that down, uh but you're not
1:28:14that that should probably be the
1:28:16it's probably the least of your concerns
1:28:18at that point.
1:28:21How deep is the dang hole?
1:28:25Sounds like Forrest.
1:28:27How deep is the dang hole? Uh deep
1:28:29enough.
1:28:33Following the rules of the area, can
1:28:35your dog physically walk the
1:28:37kitchen-size area without breaking them?
1:28:41Can the dog walk the kitchen-size area
1:28:43without
1:28:44>> breaking them? Without breaking them.
1:28:51I'm confused by the question.
1:28:52>> dog physically walk the kitchen-size
1:28:54area without breaking them? That is
1:28:56literally the words.
1:28:57>> without breaking the dog?
1:28:59Gosh, that sounds horrible. Uh dogs
1:29:01would be safe walking the area.
1:29:04Yeah. That's good.
1:29:05>> Oh, without breaking the rules. Oh, I
1:29:07didn't hear rules in there. Did I miss
1:29:08that?
1:29:09>> the rules of the area. Oh, following the
1:29:11rules of the area. See, this is a tricky
1:29:12one. And the reason I'm hesitant to
1:29:14answer these types of questions is
1:29:15because things can change. And if they
1:29:17change, then
1:29:19uh
1:29:20you know, people say, "Well, at this
1:29:21point, you know, you said this. And why
1:29:23did you say that?" And you know, I I I
1:29:25just try and avoid the conspiracy or
1:29:27discrepancies there altogether. And so,
1:29:29that's generally the reason why I'm
1:29:31hesitant about talking about whether or
1:29:32not you have to pay or whether or not
1:29:34you um
1:29:36uh you know, dogs are allowed or
1:29:37whatever rules pertain to that area
1:29:39because uh
1:29:40there's always a possible for change.
1:29:42And it's actually, I think for many
1:29:44types of land, uh
1:29:46more
1:29:47more uh likely than I think some people
1:29:49realize. And so, I'm just I'm generally
1:29:51hesitant to answer those questions.
1:29:53Um
1:29:55but to the best of my knowledge,
1:29:57and this will be the last time that I do
1:29:59this. Uh
1:30:00to the best of my knowledge, based on
1:30:02how the rules and regulations are today,
1:30:05I I am not aware of anything that would
1:30:07preclude you from
1:30:09having your dog with you.
1:30:13This is our last question. And then
1:30:15we're going to have a little hunt.
1:30:19Is East a portion within one Ursa, or is
1:30:23there a West Ursa and an East Ursa?
1:30:26Let me take a quick look. Yep. Is East a
1:30:29portion within one Ursa,
1:30:32or is there a West Ursa and an East
1:30:35Ursa?
1:30:36Huh.
1:30:37I'm
1:30:39You only need to worry about Ursa East.
1:30:43That's that's the simple way to look at
1:30:45that.
1:30:49So, that's our question.
1:30:50>> That's it. Okay.
1:30:52>> [cheering]
1:30:56>> Good job.
1:30:58We did it.

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