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0:05[music]
0:08>> Adventure's calling, treasure awaits.
0:10Join us on a journey, let's open the
0:12gates. Welcome to the pod where the
0:15treasure is found. X marks the pod,
0:17LET'S GATHER AROUND.
0:22>> [music]
0:26>> HEY, welcome to X marks the pod, the
0:28podcast for treasure hunters by treasure
0:30hunters. I'm here, boots on the ground
0:31with Jaws Megan and a very special guest
0:34this week. We have one of the stars of
0:36Netflix Golden Greed and the creator of
0:39Beyond the Map's Edge treasure hunt, the
0:41one, the only Justin M. J Money Posey.
0:46Welcome to X marks the pod, J Money.
0:47Thanks for being here today.
0:49J Money, that's a first.
0:51>> [laughter]
0:51>> Is that Is that good?
0:53Happy to be here.
0:55Well, we appreciate it. So, uh Um let's
0:58get We're just going to jump right into
1:00it. We were very excited to have you
1:01here. We have a lot of questions that
1:03were we've curated through the
1:04community. We've sent a lot of flags up
1:06like, "Hey, we're going to have Justin
1:07on, tell us what you think." So, we have
1:09a lot of good stuff here hopefully. Um
1:12that we want to get going. So, we're
1:13just going to roll right into it. The
1:14the the structure today, we're going to
1:16do about five questions each, kind of a
1:18round robin going through. And then at
1:20the end, if we have some time there, we
1:21want to do some rapid fire, kind of a
1:24yes, no. Hopefully, you'll answer some
1:25questions, maybe not. Um you'll you'll
1:28have that option to just go ahead and
1:29plead no harm, no foul. Or if it's
1:31something you want to address at Secret
1:32Summit, then maybe we'll we'll dive into
1:35or we'll we'll leave that for for that
1:37for Tucson. So, all right, here we go.
1:40Now that BTME is coming up on 1 year,
1:42what has surprised you most about how
1:44the hunt has unfolded?
1:48Oh golly.
1:49Uh I think more than anything just
1:51how much it's grown. I I really had it
1:54in my mind that it was going to be this
1:55niche thing. I mean, when the
1:57documentary first started to air, or
1:59rather when it was first being filmed, I
2:01don't even think there was a buyer. I
2:03never imagined it would be on something
2:04like
2:05uh Netflix.
2:08And even when it was on Netflix, I just
2:09didn't think it was going to be as
2:11popular as it became. So, I think more
2:13than anything it's just the the growth
2:14in the community and and you certainly
2:16see all these uh for lack of a better
2:19term subcommunities that spring up uh
2:22that all kind of have their own uh
2:23unique style and and uh bring their own
2:26fun to the mix. So, it's been it's been
2:28a lot of uh a lot of interesting things
2:30to witness along the way.
2:32Very good. Very good. Megan?
2:34If you uh were a seeker for your
2:38treasure, what question would you ask
2:40yourself as a hunter?
2:43Oh gosh.
2:44Um
2:45knowing what I know?
2:47Mm, knowing what we know.
2:49>> [laughter]
2:52>> Uh I think that'd probably be a
2:54a good question for Secret Summit.
2:57Fair enough.
3:00So, we have the map on the website.
3:03If you had to rate it on a scale of 1 to
3:0510, how important it is to have that map
3:08to find the treasure, what would you
3:10rate it?
3:13Uh I'd have to put some real thought
3:15into like a numerical rating, but I I
3:17would say it's it's it's generally
3:19useful uh for a couple of different
3:21reasons.
3:24You want to talk about those reasons?
3:26>> [laughter]
3:27>> Maybe another time. Okay, fair enough.
3:29Fair enough.
3:30Okay, um we love how much you're engaged
3:32with the community, but do you feel
3:34sometimes that your level of interaction
3:36with the community is unintentionally
3:37made BTME harder or more confusing?
3:42Uh boy.
3:45Yeah, I mean, there are certainly two
3:47kind of
3:48opposite ends of the spectrum in terms
3:49of engagement. There's zero engagement
3:51or maybe more like I've done.
3:55And you know, my intent all along is to
3:57provide additional clarity, but
4:00uh I think the biggest risk are are
4:01situations where I don't have time to
4:05thoughtfully sit down and craft a
4:07response preferably in writing.
4:10And I think in those situations
4:11especially, there's always the
4:12opportunity that
4:15I even though the intent is to provide
4:16clarity, I probably could provide
4:19uh the opposite and kind of muddy the
4:20waters. Um you know, I think about over
4:23the course of the year, coming up on a
4:25year,
4:26all all the different questions that
4:27have been asked in the forums and so
4:29forth and
4:30you know, I'd be hard-pressed to
4:33to think of something where
4:36you know, I provided inaccurate
4:37information. I think it it's all been
4:39been accurate, uh even the off-the-cuff
4:41stuff.
4:42Um but there's likely been at least a
4:44few times where
4:46I probably would have chosen a different
4:50wording or semantics if I were to have
4:52spent more time crafting a real answer
4:54as opposed to something that was off the
4:56cuff, sort of like we're doing here. So,
4:58that's the risky take by indulging in
5:01in listening to me in and the uh various
5:04um forums. Yeah. Okay. Let me let me
5:07follow up on that real quick. Is there
5:08anything that you would want to clarify
5:10from other other interviews or Q&A's or
5:13take back, perhaps?
5:15>> [sighs]
5:16>> No, I don't I don't I don't
5:18think so. And I think even
5:22I think even
5:23just the exercise of trying to clarify
5:25further might make things worse.
5:28I'm not I mean, I don't know if worse is
5:29the right word, but make it more
5:30ambiguous. So, I'm actually pretty
5:33pretty happy with where things stand
5:35there. So, status quo. Okay, fair
5:37enough.
5:39Which part of your personality
5:40influenced the poem the most? The part
5:43of you who is an engineer or the part of
5:45you who's an enthusiastic uh
5:48explorer?
5:51Uh I'd say the part of me
5:54that
5:57embraces childlike wonder the most.
6:03So,
6:04there's a lot of talk about the
6:05checkpoints, so I've got a couple
6:07questions about that for you tonight.
6:09Uh is it something that we are going to
6:11physically see and know that it's the
6:13checkpoint when we get there?
6:16Uh that's a good Secret Summit question.
6:19>> [laughter]
6:21>> Sorry.
6:22No, we we kind of knew that was a risk
6:24that we were taking today by by by
6:26bumping up so close to Secret Summit.
6:27So, we we totally understand. We're
6:28we're and we're we're good. No no hard
6:30feelings, J Money. You're good with us.
6:32So,
6:34Let's talk about modern tools. You know,
6:36obviously we want this to be a more
6:38AI-proof boots on the ground, but do you
6:40feel like tools such as Google Earth,
6:42AI, um etc. are helping people with the
6:46hunt or actually leading further away
6:48from your intended path?
6:51I think it's a bit of both. You know,
6:52I've certainly seen cases where
6:55I mean, using
6:57some of the what we consider basic
6:59technology these days like Google Maps
7:01can be beneficial, but also
7:03uh
7:04you know, I think
7:05some people might have taken that to an
7:07extreme to the point where you see
7:09patterns where there are none.
7:11Uh or I
7:13I mean, I can think of kind of an
7:14extreme example where uh a few people or
7:17more than a few people have actually
7:19sent me emails showing, you know, very
7:21very specific um
7:24foliage
7:26uh shapes that that are
7:28believed to be clues. I mean, clearly
7:31foliage is going to change over the
7:33course of the year uh and you know,
7:35heaven forbid this goes on for more than
7:37you know, years. Uh th those are the
7:40types of things that I think are are
7:41subject to change. So, I would just
7:43caution
7:44uh not to have an over-reliance on that
7:45stuff or to look so deeply that you're
7:48you're seeing uh patterns in the tea
7:50leaves.
7:51>> [laughter]
7:53>> Can I I want I want to ask you why you
7:54said heaven forbid this go on for for
7:56years?
7:58>> [laughter]
7:59>> Well, I I you know, I I've I've had it
8:01in my mind since this began that um
8:05it would be kind of a an accelerated
8:09version of what
8:11Forrest Fenn had done in the sense that
8:13he
8:14you know, his treasure hunt grew
8:15organically over the course of many
8:17years. And you know, if you think about
8:19like even the first five years of the
8:21treasure hunt, it wasn't terribly
8:23popular. It really started to gain
8:25momentum in the latter part.
8:27And and this is kind of like a a
8:30treasure hunt on steroids in the sense
8:31that Netflix has catapulted it into
8:33something where people many people have
8:36dove in headfirst on day one.
8:38And so, it's I you know, in terms of
8:40comparison, if I were to
8:42to force it, you know, I'd say that
8:45today is sort of like
8:47year nine of Fenn hunt.
8:50And so, uh
8:53you know, I can imagine the perspective
8:55that that treasure hunters might be
8:57being like that deep into it from day
8:59one and us coming up on the year mark.
9:01So,
9:02you know, yeah
9:03as I think many people have said,
9:05there's a fine line between, you know,
9:06obsession and and something that may or
9:09may not be more healthy.
9:11>> [snorts]
9:11>> So, I think it's just around um
9:14you know, how long does this go on
9:16before, you know, it becomes something
9:18that um has the potential to
9:21um
9:22well, cause more people a deeper
9:25obsession. I like to think that it's a a
9:27great hobby for people and I think it is
9:29for the vast majority of everybody.
9:32Um I think that's probably the only
9:33lingering worry that I have is that
9:34maybe over time
9:36uh certainly for some personality types,
9:38it could become something more.
9:40Uh and nobody I I don't think anybody
9:42wants that that unhealthiness. So,
9:44that's the only thing that gives me
9:46reservation about it lasting too long.
9:49It makes sense. And Megan, he's talking
9:50about you. People
9:51>> He probably is.
9:52>> [laughter]
9:53>> I do not know.
9:55Just to follow up.
9:56Just a follow-up question about that.
9:58You said it feels like you're going into
10:00like year nine of the Forrest Fenn hunt
10:02on year one. Does that mean that
10:05somebody's getting close to finding this
10:06treasure?
10:11You know, I I think it's I mean if there
10:14there have been
10:16more than at least a few people that
10:19have been
10:21fairly close to finding the treasure.
10:24And so
10:25um
10:28you know, it's hard to quantify. There's
10:30a lot of different sources out there,
10:32but um yeah, I think that's fair to say.
10:37With the Forrest Fenn treasure, he said
10:40he regretted putting the bracelet in the
10:42box. Is there any part of your treasure
10:45that you regret putting in that you
10:47wished you had for yourself? And if not
10:49regret, just something you wish that you
10:52had for yourself, a favorite?
10:56Um I put everything each item into the
10:59treasure container intentionally.
11:01And I did it with a lot of thought. So
11:05there's nothing that I regret
11:07putting in there, but there are things
11:10that I put in there that have a very a
11:12deep meaning to me.
11:14Uh and so, you know, in a way it felt
11:16like
11:17um
11:19kind of like passing on a little piece
11:21of what I felt was important to
11:24whoever finds this. And it's
11:26you know, I mean
11:28those types of things are most of them
11:30are not of of great value. It's more of
11:33uh significance than anything else. But
11:35no, I don't regret putting them in
11:37there.
11:40>> [clears throat]
11:40>> All right, I've got another checkpoint
11:42question. Hopefully it's one that you
11:44can answer and not not wait for Seeker
11:46Summit.
11:47>> [laughter]
11:48>> Um did you place the checkpoint there
11:50yourself or was it something that was
11:52already there?
11:56Oh, uh that's a potential for Seeker
11:58Summit, but
12:00>> [laughter]
12:00>> not until then.
12:01And then just a little follow up to
12:03that. It Are you aware of anyone that
12:05has been to the checkpoint?
12:17I'm I'm at least aware of people that
12:19have been close.
12:21Okay.
12:22Okay.
12:24See, we we've had this conversation
12:25about what the checkpoint could be. And
12:27and I envisioned that you you had made
12:28some billboards up with you and Tucker,
12:30maybe like a a faux Humane Society
12:33advertisement or something like that. So
12:35we're looking for something in there
12:36with your face on it is what we're we're
12:38looking for. So
12:39cuz that's when I will absolutely have
12:41zero doubt if I see your face out there
12:42somewhere on a billboard or something,
12:44I'll have zero doubt. So that's about
12:45the only way I think I'll have zero
12:47doubt.
12:47>> option. It's an option.
12:50We Hey, we got to think about it.
12:51>> this interview there's going to be like
12:53a wall with J Money was here spray
12:55painted on it.
12:56>> [laughter]
12:58>> With the J Money tags. I know, exactly,
13:00exactly.
13:02Um Justin, do you feel like the the
13:03community is overcomplicating
13:06the the the poem or or missing something
13:08very simple
13:10um in the process?
13:13I think that's the
13:15the natural inclination for any puzzle
13:17where you don't understand the solution.
13:20I mean, you look at all different types
13:22of puzzles, both mental and physical.
13:25And you know, if you know the answer, it
13:28seems so simple. And then you look uh
13:31and somebody else looks at it and they
13:32try many different things that you never
13:34even thought to try
13:36uh that are just vastly beyond what it
13:38was what it was meant to be. Um
13:42So yeah, I mean, there's certainly
13:43people out there that have
13:45overcomplicate many things.
13:47Uh and then there are other aspects that
13:49I'm just slightly surprised at in terms
13:52of
13:53uh how how simplistic people have taken
13:55it, you know, at at surface value. So I
13:58think it's probably a little bit of
13:59both, but certainly weighted toward many
14:01people that have taken things uh too
14:03deep or or looked uh looked too far.
14:06Okay. Conversely, have you heard anybody
14:08Have you looked at any solves and went,
14:09"Wow, I haven't really thought about
14:10that. That would be an interesting fit.
14:12That that that could really that could
14:14play well in this."
14:15Actually, yes. There have been several
14:19uh
14:20emails that I've received where
14:23uh it was not at all what I intended, uh
14:26but reading through it, it's like, "Wow,
14:28that's actually
14:30quite poetic or quite fitting." And
14:33I wish I had thought of that, you know.
14:35>> [laughter]
14:36>> Yeah, absolutely.
14:38Well, thank you. Thanks for reading my
14:39emails. Um
14:40>> [laughter]
14:43>> I think that's what Chris didn't say is
14:44he Chris was one of the ones that went
14:47like way over analyzing it is what he
14:48didn't say.
14:51>> [laughter]
14:53>> We we got this question a couple of
14:55times, so it must be important to quite
14:58a few people. Um
15:00Did you intentionally place small
15:02trinkets or any objects to help build
15:04confidence so people knew that they were
15:06on the right path?
15:10Um
15:17I mean, there is something along the way
15:19that will will help significantly.
15:23Is are you Is that the checkpoint?
15:26I have not specified. Interesting. You
15:29You thought a long time about that one.
15:31That one really
15:32>> [laughter]
15:33>> I I
15:33>> next question is would you like to
15:35specify?
15:36>> [laughter]
15:37>> Not at this time.
15:40Well, very good. That's interesting.
15:41Okay, and trinkets off the be looking
15:43for those. All right.
15:45All right. So today there was a
15:48announcement about a new milestone
15:50coming up for Seeker Summit with our 11
15:5311 goal.
15:55Is there a significance to the number 11
15:5811? What made you pick that number?
16:01What made me pick that number? Uh
16:05I was
16:08I had 30 about 38 seconds between two
16:11calls and
16:12>> [laughter]
16:13>> I had to pick a number.
16:15And it just felt right. That was really
16:17the extent of it. Okay. So the people
16:19reading into it and
16:21Yeah, there's people already that are
16:23like it's the the clues at 11 minutes
16:25and 11 seconds of the episode. So don't
16:28read into it too much is what you're
16:29telling us.
16:30>> bother. No, it's it was just the easiest
16:33thing to type.
16:35Well, good question and good
16:36clarification cuz you've stirred a lot
16:38of you kicked the hornets' nest with the
16:4011 11. So you know how that works,
16:41right?
16:41>> Yeah, no matter what number I chose, it
16:43was going to cause something. So yeah.
16:45It didn't matter. It didn't matter.
16:46You're right. You're right. Uh well, we
16:48appreciate you clarifying that so we're
16:49not chasing the 11 11 all day long and
16:51trying to figure out what that means. So
16:53thank you. That's that's that's helpful.
16:55Um Justin, if BT and me were a game of
16:58hot and cold, where would you say the
17:00community is? Are they they still they
17:01still cold or they getting warmer or
17:03they burning up? And would you be
17:05surprised if the treasure isn't found in
17:08the next year?
17:11Yeah, I mean, I suppose it depends on
17:12your your definition of community. Like
17:14there there are many people that are
17:16searching for the treasure that don't
17:18partake in, you know, a lot of the
17:19social media aspects.
17:22Uh and so there there are many
17:24[clears throat] communities that have
17:25formed within the the the BT and me
17:28world, if you will, whether it's
17:29Discord, Facebook, or a combination
17:31thereof.
17:32Um
17:33uh Reddit and and so forth. And so
17:38you know, I I I
17:40I have been busy enough lately with
17:43other things that
17:45uh I wouldn't say that I've lost touch,
17:46but I I don't have the same pulse that I
17:49did, say, a month ago.
17:51Uh but
17:53you know, I think each of those
17:54communities
17:56group think does
17:57tend to rule the day. And
18:01I think sometimes that can be a
18:03detriment.
18:05And so
18:07you know, if I look at each of them
18:10I wouldn't say that there's
18:12to the best of my knowledge any
18:15any community out there that is is like
18:18way off in left field or anything like
18:20that. Um but I wouldn't I would also say
18:22that I'm not aware of any community that
18:25is like
18:26as a group think uber close either. So
18:29somewhere in between.
18:31I don't know if that helps or not.
18:33No, but you make a good point about
18:35group think and I think that's common
18:36pretty much any in in life, but is there
18:38any So do you want to throw anybody a
18:40bone here or is there any group think
18:42ideas out there that you've seen that
18:44you would like to debunk and like get
18:46people to go, "Okay, don't stop looking
18:48at that. It's not worth your time. Let's
18:50move move on." Get them off that that
18:52track. Is there Is there one out there
18:54that's really big that you see and you
18:55go, "Come on, guys. Let's uh you know,
18:57we need to you want to shoot that down."
19:00Yeah, I mean, I probably just
19:02reiterating what's already
19:05um what I hope is clear on the website.
19:07Like you don't need to go to my
19:09the the houses of my friends and family
19:12in order to track down the treasure.
19:14Um
19:16uh Is that happening a lot?
19:18Uh
19:19there have been some some situations,
19:22yeah.
19:22>> Okay. So people can stay the heck away
19:24from your family like you told them
19:26already.
19:27Yeah. Uh yeah, I think more than
19:29anything it just be maybe kind of reread
19:31the rules and the and the and the safety
19:33stuff. But beyond that, um
19:35not nothing that I'd clarify right now.
19:37Okay. Fair enough. And appreciate the
19:39the clarification on the family thing so
19:41people may may get the the clue on that.
19:44Uh during Seeker Summit, uh we have the
19:47opportunity to compete in world record
19:49breaking treasure hunt um that you're
19:51creating. Is there anything that you can
19:54tell us about that
19:56um, or anything about the hunt in
19:57general?
19:59Sure, yeah. Um,
20:03it's actually a little bit of a tricky
20:04situation because the Arizona Attorney
20:06General and the statutes of Arizona uh,
20:09put some rather severe limitations on
20:12us. And so,
20:13this will be a very
20:15uh, curated or constrained experience.
20:19It's not
20:21how I would prefer to design a treasure
20:24hunt. So,
20:25know that going in. Um,
20:28and it will have many guardrails on it.
20:30Uh,
20:31know that going in.
20:32Uh, and so I think it's just one of
20:34those things where you can only do so
20:37much with those constraints. And
20:41I've tried to do the best that I could
20:42given those constraints. So, I think
20:43probably the first one would be is I
20:45hope you guys aren't too disappointed.
20:47>> [laughter]
20:48>> Uh, but it is kind of it is what it is
20:50at this point. Uh, there there certainly
20:52is a physical aspect to it. It's not
20:54like you'll just be you know, standing
20:56in one place. It's not completely mental
20:58like where you know, trying to solve
21:00something on paper.
21:01Uh, there is a mental aspect to it.
21:03There will be a physical component to it
21:05as well. And that's important because
21:08um, the Guinness Book of World Records
21:10has stringent rules in terms of what
21:12constitutes an actual treasure hunt, a
21:14physical treasure hunt. So, uh, people
21:16will be moving around. There'll be no
21:18need to drive anywhere. It's going to be
21:21on site at the Tucson Expo Center.
21:25Everything will be indoors.
21:26And
21:28uh, you really there's not much you
21:31could do in terms of prep work. The the
21:33main things that I'd say just in terms
21:34of Secret Summit in general is if you
21:36have a mobile device, bring it. You
21:38don't need it for the treasure hunt.
21:39It's more around getting access to
21:42submit your questions for the Q&A
21:44efficiently.
21:45And you know, to help with the check-in
21:46process. And then the other piece would
21:48be um, see if you can [clears throat]
21:50recall the email that you used when you
21:53purchased your tickets cuz that'll be
21:54useful in order uh, to get access to the
21:57the site that powers the Q&A.
22:00Uh, in terms of the treasure hunt
22:03beyond that, um,
22:08it might be useful to bring something
22:11that you can uh, write on. You know, I
22:14mean a clipboard or just you know, a
22:15book or something where that's kind of
22:17flat and hard where you
22:18you can actually write on it as you as
22:20you move around. And that'd be that'd be
22:22my only advice so far.
22:24Perfect. Okay.
22:27All right. So, I know you've watched
22:28some of our episodes before.
22:30>> [clears throat and cough]
22:30>> We have one question that we like to ask
22:32every single guest that comes on.
22:34So, do you have an embarrassing or funny
22:38story that happened to you while you
22:40were boots on the ground?
22:42>> [laughter]
22:43>> That's that all of my boots on the
22:44ground?
22:46Oh, jeez.
22:48Um,
22:51boy, I don't even know where to start.
22:56Uh, I've had many embarrassing
22:58experiences.
23:00Um,
23:02>> [laughter]
23:03>> there's one time when I was hiking and I
23:05I I heard a noise
23:08and I thought it was
23:11an animal like rooting around, snorting,
23:14and making noises. And
23:17>> [laughter]
23:18>> I went to investigate said noise and it
23:20was actually a a hiker that had stepped
23:22off the path that was um,
23:25uh, going number two. And
23:28there's a lot of noises associated with
23:29that that I totally mistook for
23:31something else.
23:32And I got way too close before I didn't
23:36I saw the person. And it was just a
23:37really awkward situation. So, that was
23:40pretty embarrassing. Yeah.
23:42Well, luckily you didn't hit him with
23:43some bear spray or something. Here's a
23:45>> [laughter]
23:48>> It's not good. Not good. That would have
23:49been Yeah, that would have been a really
23:50good story.
23:52All right. Justin, we've kind of exhaust
23:54we've gone through our our rapid fire or
23:55not a rapid fire question, our round
23:56robin questions there. Um,
23:58went through a little quicker than I
24:00thought. But we do have a lot of little
24:01rapid fire questions. Again, your your
24:04your no no harm no foul to just punt on
24:06any of these or or tell us you know,
24:08maybe Secret Summit. But if you'd like
24:09to answer them, I'm sure the community
24:11would really enjoy that. So, What is
24:14I'll go ahead. What's that? Oh, I said
24:16I'll do my best. Go right ahead.
24:17>> Well, you well, that's yes, exactly.
24:19What question are you tired of treasure
24:21hunters asking you?
24:24Tired?
24:25Um,
24:29hm.
24:34When you hear it, you're like, not
24:35again. Seriously. Yeah, it's not that
24:38there's a question that I'm tired of.
24:40It's more I think
24:42the one that kind of still gives me a
24:43chuckle to this day is
24:46where people will send emails and
24:50you know, they're really looking for a
24:51hint. And so, they're just you know,
24:54respond if I'm just in the right general
24:56area or respond if uh,
24:58you know, with an emoji if you know, on
25:00this video if you think that and so on.
25:03And
25:04I mean, of course I'm not I'm I'm not
25:06going to indulge in that. But
25:08uh, I the persistence has been very
25:11impressive. There have been a lot of
25:12people that have tried very hard. And I
25:14think the most unique one
25:17uh, and you know who you are. Uh,
25:19the was actually at the book signing
25:21event in Dillon.
25:23And when I received a book to sign, on
25:26the page it said,
25:28"Is the treasure in Montana? If no, sign
25:32on this side. If yes, sign on the other
25:34the other side of the page."
25:35>> [laughter]
25:37>> And I feel you know, it's kind of like
25:38this nonchalant type of thing where
25:39nobody will know. Just pick a page. And
25:42of course I I turned to a totally
25:43different page number and signed. But
25:46>> [laughter]
25:46>> people try. Yeah.
25:48Right. Yeah, I you know, I guess it's
25:50just human nature. We're going to we're
25:51going to try to get what we can out of
25:53you. But yeah, I can understand that
25:54being like you know, like blink twice if
25:56it's in Montana.
25:57>> [laughter]
25:58>> Okay, never mind.
26:00Let me ask you a question about Secret
26:01Summit. Well, aside from the fact that
26:02you're going to eliminate at least one
26:04state
26:05um, right from from BTME depending on
26:08and possibly two if we have a number of
26:10questions. Uh, my I want to know have
26:13you one have you decided what that
26:14state's going to be. Two, if you have,
26:17are we going to go
26:18meh like if you when you say it or are
26:21we going to be like ooh like ooh, I
26:23can't believe he eliminated that state.
26:26Well, frankly, I'm on the fence. And
26:29there are there are two states in my
26:32mind that are on the chopping block.
26:34Um,
26:35now, if in the
26:39uh, Emma, don't kill me for saying this.
26:40But I think the rare chance that we we
26:42hit 2,000, I would I would eliminate
26:45both of those those states that are in
26:47my mind. Uh, but if we don't, I'm still
26:51I'm still debating
26:52which one it's going to be. And I think
26:56you know, each
26:58state elimination would have a very
27:00different impact. And so, I'm still
27:02still mulling it over. I like to keep my
27:04options open. Um, I'm I'm leaning toward
27:06one versus the other. But I haven't made
27:08a solid firm decision yet. Okay. Is it
27:11important to you to get that good
27:12reaction of ooh or just everybody to go
27:16uh?
27:17Uh, you know, Do you do you care?
27:20I do care because um,
27:24you know, I mean, certainly people are
27:26investing their time and and resources
27:29to be at the Secret Summit. And so,
27:31it's important to me that that
27:34well, people enjoy themselves while
27:36they're there. And I think the the state
27:37elimination is is a part of that
27:39experience.
27:40Uh, I mean, certainly it'll be posted on
27:42the website and so on afterward. Uh, so
27:44it's not like you're getting a huge leg
27:46up by by being there necessarily. It's
27:48more just around the the excitement, I
27:50think. And so,
27:52yeah, I mean, I I think that that
27:54portion is is important to me. Yeah.
27:57Okay. Fair good. Fair enough. We're very
27:58excited. There's been a lot debate. We
28:01we talked about that with we were on
28:02M&J's show last week and we had a big
28:04discussion about it. So, hopefully I'm
28:06sure they'll bring it up tomorrow when
28:07they talk to you. Um, so if if we only
28:10eliminate one there,
28:12how would you feel about coming back on
28:14here in a couple months and eliminating
28:16another one with us?
28:18Stranger things have happened, you know.
28:20>> [laughter]
28:21>> That's true.
28:23That's very true. Okay, Justin,
28:25uh, has anybody solved the cipher? And
28:27if not, can we get a hint on the cipher?
28:33To the best of my knowledge, no. No one
28:35has solved the cipher. And
28:39uh, that is actually something I do
28:41plan to
28:44clarify or or provide some some clarity
28:48on it at at the Secret Summit to help
28:51uh, push that one along a bit if you
28:53will.
28:54And you know, I think as I mentioned
28:56before, the
28:58the cipher answer is not
29:02something that will
29:04give you a a huge advantage or anything.
29:06It's more around
29:08helping you understand what the
29:10container is, which I think in some
29:12regard could help.
29:14Um,
29:15but that's the main point of the of the
29:17cipher. And I think there is a sticking
29:20point that I've
29:22I realized uh,
29:24fairly quickly after everything launched
29:27um, that I think there's a many people
29:29that are just a little bit hung up on.
29:31And I think with just a slight amount of
29:33of additional clarity there that will
29:36will get some progress. Okay. We're
29:38overthinking it.
29:40Uh, no. I it's not that people I mean,
29:41some people certainly are. But
29:44um,
29:45I see it as a for lack of a better term
29:48a noise problem.
29:50There is too much there is too much
29:52noise that's been interjected that makes
29:54it difficult to
29:56to filter out to see
29:59what you need to see. And so I need to I
30:01need to rectify that. Okay, a groupthink
30:04problem perhaps.
30:05Well, maybe a little. Maybe.
30:07>> Okay,
30:07fair enough.
30:09Um speaking of hints, can we get a hint
30:10on the clocks?
30:13>> [laughter]
30:15>> Maybe a secret summit.
30:16>> Okay, fair enough. Fair enough.
30:17Um do we need to pay special attention
30:20to the 1652 oak tree shilling? It seems
30:23to be pretty important to you. Some
30:24folks have asked about that.
30:27Yes, so the
30:28I don't know if I've ever mentioned the
30:30backstory on that. Maybe I have, so I
30:32apologize if I repeat myself, but
30:35um
30:37the 1652 oak tree shilling actually
30:41the original one that I
30:43had actually came from my grandfather
30:45and it was from his collection and
30:48it
30:49it was very special to me just because
30:51of how I became how I came to learn
30:53about it and where it came from. And it
30:55turned out that that coin was
30:57counterfeit. And I was just heartbroken
31:01when I found that out and I never had
31:03the heart to tell him
31:05my grandfather that it that it was
31:06counterfeit. And so it it bothered me a
31:10lot over the years and I and I had just
31:12said to myself back then that one day I
31:15if I ever have the means I will
31:17I will get one, but it'll be the real
31:19thing. And I actually really wanted to
31:21do that before my grandfather passed and
31:23it didn't didn't work out, but I did end
31:26up getting it and that's
31:28that's the significance of it. It's kind
31:30of a little bit of the backstory. Oh,
31:32that's awesome. Did you get one to keep
31:33for yourself?
31:36Uh no, that's actually that's the only
31:38one and it it went into the treasure. Um
31:42as far as I know it's it's I think it's
31:44tied for the highest graded Ando edition
31:48oak tree shilling in existence. So it's
31:50it's it's pretty rare.
31:52Okay, very good. Well,
31:54I'll tell you this. I'll if when I find
31:56the treasure, I'm going to I'm going to
31:57give that back to you. So it's
31:59That's that's kind of you to offer, but
32:01No strings attached really. Whoever
32:03finds it it's all yours. It's buddy. You
32:05guys own this. So
32:07Um let's ask about you you you gave when
32:10the when the technical clue was was
32:11discovered, you you let the community
32:13know that that was found. Are you going
32:14to let the community know when the
32:15checkpoint is discovered or if the
32:17checkpoint is discovered?
32:20Um
32:22if I come to learn that the checkpoint
32:24has been discovered,
32:26I would likely announce that it has been
32:29discovered, but I would not divulge what
32:31it is until after the treasure is found.
32:34Fair enough. Okay.
32:36Good answer. Good answer.
32:37Um this is for me. Is a gazebo a
32:40structure or a building?
32:42>> [laughter]
32:44>> You know, that's a funny one. Um
32:50I think based on the formal definition,
32:52a gazebo
32:54would be considered a type of building,
32:57especially as it pertains to things like
32:59building codes, but I could be mistaken
33:01there. I would actually have to check a
33:04uh a dictionary to be absolutely
33:07certain, but I would tend toward it
33:08being a building. I could be off base. I
33:11I'm not concerned what the dictionary
33:12says. I'm concerned what you think a
33:14gazebo is.
33:15>> [laughter]
33:16>> I I would categorize
33:18you know, a building being anything that
33:21has um
33:25uh a shelter from from the elements in
33:28terms of having some sort of overhead
33:29component to it and something that you
33:32can quote unquote step inside. So, you
33:34know, you can step into a gazebo. So
33:36personally, I would consider that to be
33:38a form of a building. Okay, very good.
33:40I'm thank you for answering that. I
33:42appreciate that. Um speaking of the
33:44rules and man-made and things like that.
33:45I I know that you know,
33:47you spent a lot of time in the book
33:48talking about loopholes. Maybe not a lot
33:49of time, but there definitely was some
33:50chapters on loopholes. Are there any
33:52loopholes in the rules that you put
33:54aside? Is there is there going to be an
33:57aha moment where we go, okay, like we
33:59need to look at we need to look at this
34:00from a loophole perspective, not just
34:02what he said about man-made structure or
34:05near gravestones or graveyards like
34:07things like that. Like is there a
34:10is are there any loopholes built into
34:13the rules?
34:20Not none that are are intentional. I
34:23mean, I think there's one that maybe
34:25arguably somebody could quibble about.
34:27Um but beyond that, no. No, the the
34:31rules are really meant to be cut and
34:32dry. Okay.
34:35Interesting. So that that makes me
34:37wonder like why all the loophole talk if
34:38there's no loopholes in the rules. So
34:41but that's okay.
34:42>> [laughter]
34:46>> Is there a poem solver there's more than
34:48one clue with a man-made implication?
34:53Is there a poem solver there's more than
34:55one clue with a man-made implication?
35:00Maybe that's not very clear. That
35:03Yeah, I'm thinking through this.
35:12I want to make sure I answer this
35:13accurately. So I I I'm willing to answer
35:15this just
35:17I want to think a little bit of more
35:19about it before I provide an answer. So
35:21I'll consider it a follow-up. Yeah.
35:23Okay, got it. Got it. Got it.
35:25Okay,
35:26well to kind of a another part of that.
35:29Can a hunt item be displayed on the
35:31outside of a man-made building or
35:33structure?
35:35Maybe not inside a structure, but uh
35:38on the outside.
35:40Uh I don't want to
35:42to limit that. So I I would say it's
35:44it's always a possibility. Got it.
35:47Is the BTME logo a clue?
35:51Um
35:56what I can say is that I I designed the
35:59the logo intentionally.
36:01And um it has it has some meaning.
36:06Okay. Okay.
36:08Um are you too smart for us mortals? Are
36:10you um
36:12I I like to say Justin has confirmation
36:14bias. You know, when you when you talk
36:15when you're giving out answers and
36:17things like that. Like if you know
36:18exactly what the solve is, like it's
36:20easy for you to to um
36:22maybe
36:23not translate in the way that us mere
36:25mortals are able to to understand. We
36:27know you're a super smart guy,
36:29engineering guy, you know, math guy.
36:32Um is this going to be too hard for us?
36:35I'm probably a lot worse at math than
36:37you you might guess. Um
36:40No, you know, so when I designed this, I
36:42really
36:44I think somebody I
36:46Megan, you might ask earlier this this
36:48question about um
36:50you know, what
36:52what I would embrace most is in terms of
36:54designing the treasure hunt and it is
36:56that that childlike wonder. And so
36:59uh at least in my mind, I like to think
37:01that somebody of
37:04you know, even
37:06pretty young age would be able to
37:09to solve this if they put their mind to
37:11it and
37:12and you know, figured out the right
37:14stuff and the right context and so on.
37:16Uh
37:18So
37:20you know, it's nothing that requires any
37:21sort of you know, college degree or
37:25really even any high school diploma or
37:27anything like that. Um
37:29I tried to make it as approachable as as
37:31I could. Okay.
37:34Now having said that, would people that
37:35maybe have a background in fishing or
37:37hunting or hiking or outdoorsy type out
37:40activities, would they have a leg up on
37:43on most folks in this?
37:47You know, I think it's almost impossible
37:48to design
37:50something where
37:53there's zero specialized knowledge in
37:54anything in the world that would, you
37:56know, give somebody a leg up. Uh
38:00So I'm hesitant to say
38:04I'm hesitant to to say that it wouldn't
38:07help. Um
38:09but probably not as much as as people
38:12might think. Okay. Okay, fair enough.
38:15Are you willing to rule out digging and
38:17the the treasure being buried?
38:21Yeah, I I think I think you know,
38:23if if you know where the treasure's at,
38:24it's not going to matter either way. So
38:26I'm it's not something I'm willing to
38:28rule out at this time.
38:30Okay, interesting. Okay.
38:32Um have you ever had to go check on the
38:33box for any any weather conditions?
38:37No, I haven't. Um
38:41at at this stage certainly I'd be
38:43reticent or
38:45very cautious about doing anything like
38:46that. So I have no plans in the future
38:49to
38:50ever return to the exact location of the
38:53treasure. Okay, cuz obviously you're
38:55familiar with Posey Tracker where we
38:57have you we have we have scouts on the
38:58ground following your every move exactly
39:01where you're going at all times, right?
39:02>> You don't know how late you are
39:03actually.
39:04>> [laughter]
39:05>> Oh, am I Sorry, I was being a little I
39:08was being a little facetious, but
39:10I guess it wouldn't surprise me, huh?
39:11Yeah, I mean, there
39:14Yeah, some tricky people out there, you
39:15know. I mean, for instance, you know, I
39:17get packages in the mail and
39:20uh you know, it'll be a gift, but
39:22there'll be something built into the
39:24gift that happens to track location.
39:26Lots of lots of fun little things that
39:28you got to deal with. So there's always
39:30gotchas. Yeah. Interesting. Well, what's
39:32what's the most what's the craziest
39:34thing you've gotten in the in the mail
39:35based on you know, for
39:37that's trying to track you or or what
39:39whatever that that you got. Oh gosh. Um
39:43Um
39:45I think more than anything what the
39:46craziest thing that surprised me was the
39:48sophistication.
39:49Uh
39:51You know, certainly
39:54it's not like somebody went to the dime
39:55store and set this up. It was It was
39:58quite well done.
40:00Um
40:01And it was more just around the compact
40:03form and how it was incorporated
40:04incorporated into a gift that I received
40:07uh that made it rather hard to detect.
40:11And the the gift was very intentional in
40:14the sense that it would be very tempting
40:17for somebody say like me uh to have it
40:19on me at all times because it's it it
40:21it's meant to be an everyday
40:22convenience. So, uh
40:25it was very very well designed. I'll
40:27I'll give the person credit there.
40:29Wow, so do you have something that can
40:30detect that? Like some kind of bug or
40:32scanner or something that detects things
40:34that are you know, help that that are
40:36tracking devices or what I'm fascinated
40:39with that looks like.
40:41>> [laughter]
40:42>> It's a It's actually a a a rather
40:44rigorous system. You know, there's
40:47um
40:49almost nothing can be delivered directly
40:51to my house. And
40:53>> Oh.
40:53um
40:55My mail goes through a a fairly
40:57elaborate system.
40:58And
41:00um
41:01you know, it is never opened at the
41:03house. And
41:05it is thoroughly scanned and vetted
41:08before anything comes to the house.
41:10Uh and so on. So, it's it's a whole
41:13system and I'm sure my family just can't
41:15stand me for it. So
41:17Well,
41:17>> [laughter]
41:17>> it sounds elaborate, but it just it gets
41:19me I mean, I never would have thought
41:20that that would be a thing that you
41:22would have to set up a system for your
41:23mail that that
41:25for things to go through. It makes me
41:27wonder like what other systems do you
41:28have in place in your life that that
41:30normal people don't think about that
41:32you're you're having to deal with now
41:34because you're you know, you're J Money
41:36and everybody wants a a piece of of you
41:38and wants the wants the
41:40to be involved with this. Like Can I If
41:43you don't mind, I mean, do you have
41:43anything else that you you want to share
41:45that you systems that you have to put in
41:47place just to keep your own safety and
41:48sanity?
41:51Yeah, I mean, it's
41:52you know, I went in eyes wide open. So,
41:54I'm not complaining. It's It's more
41:56around
41:58uh I think this is probably just good
41:59advice for people that are looking to do
42:02a large-scale treasure hunt is that
42:04uh in in some respects, it will run your
42:07life if uh well, no matter what you do,
42:11uh especially if you if you try and do
42:13it right.
42:14>> [laughter]
42:15>> And and to uh make sure that it
42:17continues to be fair for everybody.
42:19Uh there there are a lot of things. You
42:21know, I mean
42:23I've I've gosh, I could probably write a
42:25whole book about it.
42:27Uh you know, being in in certain public
42:29places and people putting trackers on
42:31vehicles or
42:33uh
42:34you know, following me from place to
42:35place seeing where I'm going or um
42:39um
42:41uh befriending people that are friends
42:44with me
42:46um
42:47in order to pose what seemed to be
42:49innocuous questions to me uh that are
42:52actually quite the opposite. And so, I
42:54have kind of this constant radar, if you
42:56will.
42:57>> [laughter]
42:57>> So, no matter who it is when they're
42:59asking me questions or talking to me
43:02uh it's it's really a state of constant
43:04vigilance. Interesting.
43:06>> I think that um
43:08I'm I'm okay with it. You know, I I've
43:09I've kind of built it into my lifestyle
43:11and I I feel I feel good about it. But I
43:13can imagine that for many people's
43:16lifestyles, it would be very hard.
43:18And so, I I would say that you know, a
43:20large-scale treasure hunt is not for
43:21everybody.
43:22And you do need to think about those
43:24those types of things before you you
43:27embark on on something like this because
43:29you know, in in in some some respects,
43:31it is a a form of an an obligation, if
43:34you will. But I'm still having a lot of
43:35fun with it. So, again, I'm not
43:37complaining. It's just things that have
43:38happened. Okay. Well, it's interesting
43:40because in Vegas like you
43:42you were so approachable and and so just
43:44just mingling and having a good time and
43:46I didn't see like that you know, kind of
43:48what you're saying like you know, you
43:49had all these treasure hunters in a room
43:51that would have you know, given their
43:53left arm to get some kind of clue or
43:55something out of you. But you were very
43:57but you're very personable, you're very
43:58open, approachable. Um seems a little
44:00bit of a contrast from from what you're
44:02what you're describing. Um I guess my
44:05question would be would you do this
44:06again?
44:09You know, it's it's been a very unique
44:10experience. And and I think I
44:14I feel that I can relate to Forrest Fenn
44:16on a different level than I I could
44:18ever. And it and it was just it was easy
44:20for me to sit back and pontificate and
44:22think, oh, well, this is what it's going
44:23to be like. Uh but it's an entirely
44:26different thing to to experience it
44:28firsthand. And and there are certainly
44:30certainly still you know, family members
44:32that are close to me that
44:35um
44:36you know, there there are times where
44:37they might not realize the gravity of
44:38the situation.
44:40And uh you know, they're
44:42they they will certain actions like
44:45totally unintentional
44:47uh that that can at times exacerbate the
44:50the situation. Um so, no, I I I don't
44:53regret it. Would I do it again?
44:55I think the honest answer is I don't
44:56know yet. Uh I want to follow this
44:58through to completion and see what the
45:01uh the end result is.
45:03You know, I think it's true to say that
45:05many treasure hunts
45:07uh end poorly
45:09after it's found. And so, I think that's
45:11really the real Yeah, that that that is
45:14the the litmus test here to make sure
45:17uh this is all kind of airtight, if you
45:19will. And depending on how that goes, I
45:22I could see a future where
45:25you know, an an additional treasure hunt
45:26could happen. Oh, you got to hear first.
45:29An additional treasure hunt from Justin.
45:31That's what I think you know, Megan has
45:32speculated that there you know, they
45:34talk about the two letters in your in
45:36your in the in the box there. One for
45:37the steward and what's the other? The
45:39bomb show one. So, that's what we're
45:41we're maybe thinking that it might be
45:43part two of of that. So Stranger things
45:47have happened. Yeah. Uh uh
45:49>> [clears throat]
45:49>> okay. Very good. Very good.
45:52Um oh gosh, I had a follow-up there and
45:53I just lost it. But that's all right. I
45:55have other questions for you. Um do the
45:57illustrations in the book have clues in
45:59them?
46:08You know, that that
46:09building building clues into things that
46:11you have to convey to another person is
46:15is a challenging thing. So, a good
46:17example would be the hint that was found
46:19in the song.
46:21Uh the only reason that I was able to do
46:24that is because I had
46:26you know, a
46:27a deep level of of control in the final
46:29product that was produced. Mhm. And you
46:32know, the illustrations
46:35are challenging in that regard because
46:38you know, it's not like you just call up
46:40the illustrator and say, "Hey, I want
46:42all of these very specific aspects built
46:44into an illustration because they're
46:46important." It's kind of a tip-off. Mhm.
46:48And so, um
46:52you know, I I I had a lot of direction
46:54that I gave to the illustrator in terms
46:56of what I wanted. But at the end of the
46:57day, she had the final choice in terms
47:00of how it was rendered.
47:02Um so, I'm not I'm purposely not
47:05answering the question directly. Uh
47:07but what I will say is that uh the
47:10illustrator, she she has no special
47:12knowledge. It's not like you know, I I I
47:14told her very specific things or
47:16anything like that.
47:18Fair enough. Okay, great. I remember my
47:19question. Going back to like the where
47:21you talked about about how how your hunt
47:25wraps up
47:27whenever it comes to fruition. How
47:29important is it for you that people look
47:31at the solve and go, "That makes sense.
47:34I understand it. Logically, I can go
47:36point A, point B, you know, point B, C
47:38all the way through." Not do I like it,
47:40not do I agree with it. But is it
47:42important for you that you know, and you
47:44know, reasonable person is a very loose
47:45definition these days. But a reasonable
47:47person looks at it and goes, "I
47:49understand that. That makes sense to me.
47:50I think I I can see how that that
47:53works."
47:54Is that important to you?
47:56I mean, I I I think within reason. I
47:58mean, it it would be strange to hold a
48:00treasure hunt where
48:02you know, a
48:03a very small minority even understood in
48:06retrospect what it even means. And so
48:09Yeah, I mean, I I think that is
48:10important. And it's like
48:13I Well, a good example would be a Sudoku
48:15puzzle, right? Like once it's solved
48:19I anybody can do it and look at the math
48:21and say, "Well, yeah, it's it's
48:22definitely correct. There's no ifs,
48:24ands, or buts about it." And then at the
48:26opposite end of the spectrum
48:28you know, if you tell somebody to go
48:31uh you know, jump in a lake. And then
48:33it's like, "Well, there's
48:3612 million lakes in the world. Like
48:37which one are you talking about?" Uh
48:40Well, well, I meant that one over in
48:41Norway, right? I mean, that
48:43that's kind of the opposite end of it.
48:44Like how would anybody have ever known
48:46it was Norway?
48:47And so, I think there's somewhere in
48:49there there's a middle ground. And I
48:51like to think that when this is over
48:54uh people will have more understanding.
48:57And the average person would be able to
48:59say
49:01"Okay.
49:02Seems reasonable."
49:03Okay.
49:04Um the only thing I got out of that
49:05whole thing, Justin, was that we need to
49:07go jump in a lake is what I've heard.
49:09>> [laughter]
49:10>> The jump in a lake is it definitely a
49:12clue and we need to jump in a lake. All
49:14right. Can you tell me which lake it is?
49:16Blink twice for Lake Minnetonka.
49:19>> [laughter]
49:19>> You sound like a treasure hunter. Yeah.
49:23Um this is this is more schematic so
49:24people you know, and I I've I've heard
49:26people say this and and I I you know, I
49:28just I I think it might be helpful for
49:30them to hear you say it. A lot of people
49:32when they say um or like content
49:34creators say um people have been within
49:37200 ft of this or that or the other
49:39thing." They they want to argue that,
49:41"Well, well maybe it's just random
49:42people walking around hiking on a trail.
49:44It's not searchers." Can you Can you
49:46clear Can you confirm that when you say
49:48someone is within 200 ft up at the
49:50checkpoint or people are close, you're
49:52talking about actual searchers? That's
49:54just to clarify that. Is that a fair
49:57way to put that? I know people get
49:58wrapped up in the in the wording of that
50:00sometimes. I just wanted to clarify
50:01that.
50:02I mean, it it's true to say that there
50:05there have been at least a few searchers
50:07that have been
50:09uh
50:10quite close.
50:11Uh yeah, quite close. Okay. But, they
50:14are searchers. They're They're not just
50:16random, you know, cuz people will take
50:17that as you're saying 200 They are
50:19searchers. People have been with that.
50:20Okay, perfect. That's just That was just
50:21a clarification point there. Um the
50:24Forrest Fenn hunt required a river
50:26crossing to get to the the treasure box.
50:28Does yours require any kind of river
50:30crossing, wading through water?
50:33I have not specified.
50:35I'm not I'm giving you the opportunity,
50:36Justin. That's what this is all about.
50:38I appreciate the opportunity. Noted.
50:40>> Okay, well okay.
50:41>> [laughter]
50:43>> All right, fine, JMoney. I see you.
50:46Are you concerned that someone not
50:47looking for the treasure is going to
50:49find it?
50:53I think in on the in the broad spectrum
50:56of spectrum of things that are
50:59concerning to me, it's
51:01it's lower on the totem pole.
51:05Okay. How low on the totem pole?
51:07Just kidding. At the bottom? I don't
51:08know. Okay.
51:10These two questions are for me. Did you
51:12ever search for dinosaur in Dinosaur
51:14National Monument for the Forrest Fenn
51:16treasure?
51:17Hm.
51:19Uh for the Forrest Fenn treasure, no.
51:21You didn't.
51:23Okay, well, that's
51:25that's disappointing. That's just me.
51:26Sorry.
51:29And um Megan kind of prompted this
51:31question for me after me telling her
51:34a story about my moose encounter while
51:35searching for for your treasure. Um is a
51:38moose the animal that you're referring
51:39to that you didn't expect to see, but
51:41you saw?
51:44Uh I hate to bust people's bubbles, but
51:45I've seen uh many moose over the years.
51:48So, that is that is not the animal in
51:50question. All right. Do you think if if
51:53someone were to come up with the correct
51:56animal, then they would
51:58be able to fine-tune their solve? Would
52:00they Would that narrow it down if they
52:02figured out what animal you saw?
52:05It certainly wouldn't hurt.
52:08And what animal is that, Justin?
52:10>> [laughter]
52:12>> I'm not going to volunteer yet.
52:14I try. You know, I try. That's right.
52:17We'd be doing my job here, you know,
52:18anyway. So,
52:20uh Justin, hey,
52:21that pretty much wraps up our our
52:23rapid-fire. Um we got a couple minutes
52:25left. Jaws, Megan, any any last
52:27questions that have popped up for you
52:29for Justin? I know we we've had a list
52:30that we wanted to go through.
52:34I think we got everything on the list.
52:36Perfect. Perfect.
52:38Justin, how much do you want to Do you
52:40want to talk at all about Secret Summit,
52:42anything that
52:43coming up that for that that you want to
52:45let us know about or surprises that you
52:49know, you want to give us a bombshell
52:50that we can we can use to boost our
52:52numbers to get up to to 200 viewers
52:54instead of a 100? So,
52:56>> [laughter]
52:57>> Oh, gosh. Uh I mean, I think it's going
52:59to be a great time for everybody and
53:02you know, I I think that the total
53:04attendee count is is a little up in the
53:06air. Uh
53:08You know, I I
53:09my perspective on this is I think we're
53:10going to be right on the edge in terms
53:12of whether or not we can break that
53:13world record. I mean, I think it'd be an
53:16exciting thing for America to be able to
53:18hold the title for the
53:20the the Guinness treasure hunt record.
53:22Um
53:23But, I don't I don't think it's a
53:25prerequisite to having fun there. Uh
53:28You know, I I think Emma's been doing a
53:30fantastic job in terms of drumming up
53:32marketing and so on. And you know, I've
53:34gotten some messages about this. Uh
53:37You know, something to the effect that
53:38it's a um
53:40it seems to be kind of like the the core
53:42focal point of the treasure hunt right
53:44now.
53:45Uh
53:46And I suppose to a certain degree it is
53:48because there are are so many people
53:50that are making travel arrangements and
53:52so on to be there. Uh but, I certainly
53:54haven't lost sight of the
53:56the treasure hunt in general. Uh and I
53:58you know, I think Secret Summit is
53:59actually one of those events that um you
54:01know, Beyond the Map's Edge I I really
54:04think that the concept of treasure
54:05hunting, our modern-day treasure
54:07hunting,
54:08will actually become more popular over
54:10time. And I like to think a venue,
54:13whether it's Treasure Con or Secret
54:15Summit or any of the other ones that
54:16that that pop up, I think are going to
54:18grow.
54:20And so, I like I like kind of being in
54:22on the ground floor of that and seeing
54:24seeing it kind of take off. And that's
54:27the other question that I've got is um
54:30you know, why why are there
54:33why are there commercial aspects to
54:36the treasure hunting convention that's
54:37happening at Secret Summit? And you
54:40know, the answer to that is that
54:42well, we needed funding.
54:44>> [laughter]
54:45>> And you know, I I'd normally be very
54:48concerned around
54:50mixing commercial interests with
54:52something like Beyond the Map's Edge. I
54:53realize how ironic that is given that it
54:55was on Netflix, but uh
54:58you know, I the reason that I I'm
54:59personally okay with this is because it
55:01is uh it's for all treasure hunt
55:04creators. It's not just this Beyond the
55:05Map's Edge thing. And and I think that
55:08there's an opportunity to to pull in the
55:10right sponsors so that the event can be
55:12all that it can all that it should be.
55:15And so, there are some sponsorship
55:17implications to it, but I certainly
55:19don't see it being in a position where
55:20it's overshadowing
55:22uh
55:24you know, the the purity of of treasure
55:26hunting. And And I think if it gets to
55:28that point, then that would be a more
55:30concerning discussion. But, I would love
55:32to hear feedback after this. Um
55:35uh Secret Summit. Mainly because uh not
55:37just because the treasure hunt part
55:38might be disappointing,
55:40but the
55:41uh
55:42but just the honest reaction. I mean, I
55:44think it's something that that is a good
55:45case study and it's something we can
55:47build on in future years. And it's not
55:49something I'm running. It's something
55:50that that Treasure Hunt with us and and
55:52Froggy and and Jenny Kyle and so on are
55:54all all putting together. Uh but, I
55:56think it's something that can grow
55:58uh over the years and become a real
56:00staple of of uh of a hobby.
56:04Excellent. Yes, we're very excited about
56:06it. We had the same discussion last week
56:07about that. We think we are on the kind
56:09of the bleeding edge of the of the
56:10treasure hunt
56:12world. I think that there there might be
56:14some some movement, you know, Mr. Beast
56:15with his
56:16Super Bowl one. You know, people are
56:18going to try to maybe one up your
56:19treasure or or John's treasure. You
56:22know, there's going to be people coming
56:23out of the woodwork to do that stuff.
56:24So, I think you we might be on the the
56:26edge of a phenomenon here. We'll We'll
56:28see. So, I hope so.
56:29Yeah. And just just remember who your
56:32buddies were when it does happen, right?
56:34>> [laughter]
56:35>> Justin, you want to let people know what
56:36you have coming up in the next couple
56:38weeks before in the run-up to Secret
56:40Summit? See, I wish I had a list to do a
56:43rundown. I know that there's an
56:44interview
56:46with the Quarter Hoarder on YouTube
56:48that's coming up.
56:50I'm embarrassed that I don't recall the
56:51date. I think it's the the 19th.
56:55And then
56:56I'll be on Treasure Hunt with us
56:58tomorrow evening.
56:59And then we're also doing a KOLD News 13
57:03Tucson Now
57:05uh um
57:06streaming broadcast while
57:09pretty close to the Secret Summit. I
57:11think it's the day before, maybe a
57:12couple days before. But, I'll I'll post
57:14more info as I get it on the website.
57:17Uh and then yeah, I mean, just for
57:19awareness, like there's going to be
57:20several different
57:23media people at the Secret Summit event.
57:26I know that uh
57:28Outdoor Magazine is doing a a big thing
57:30on it. And then we've got uh
57:33I think the director or producer from
57:35Filthy Fortunes.
57:37Uh and then of course some of the folks
57:40that were involved in the Netflix side.
57:42And there's a few other media folks that
57:44are are coming out as well. So, it'll be
57:47just kind of a a culmination of a lot of
57:49different backgrounds coming together.
57:50So, I think it'll be fun. Excellent.
57:52Sounds like a great time. Justin Posey,
57:54Beyond the Map's Edge. JMoney, we
57:56appreciate you being on X Marks the Pod.
57:59It's been a great time. I I feel like
58:01you've given some really good stuff for
58:02the community. So looking forward to
58:04Secret Summit, having you out there, and
58:06maybe even getting some more nuggets
58:07that you've kind of kind of teased that
58:09we'll get to to experience that at the
58:11Secret Summit. Should be a great time.
58:12Look forward to seeing you shaking your
58:13head out there in the 110° heat in
58:16Tucson. Thanks so much.
58:18>> heat here.
58:19>> [laughter]
58:20>> All right. Thanks, Justin. Thank you,
58:23Justin.
58:24See you.
58:34Adventurous calling, [music] treasure
58:36awaits. Join us on a journey, let's open
58:38the gates. Welcome to the POD WHERE THE
58:41TREASURE is found. X MARKS THE POD,
58:43LET'S GATHER AROUND.

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