JUST IN: Sparks Fly When RFK Jr. Is Pressed On Vaccines, Pandemic Prevention During CNN Interview — Transcript

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1. 0:00You have been placing nearly all the
2. 0:02blame on the COVID pandemic and the way
3. 0:06that the US responded to it squarely
4. 0:08with Dr. Fauci. But of course, he worked
5. 0:11for President Trump. Does President
6. 0:13Trump also deserve some of the blame?
7. 0:16>> Well, you know, President Trump, as you
8. 0:18recall, wasn't into
9. 0:21uh lockdowns. I think the
10. 0:23the thing that did the most damage to
11. 0:25our country was the lockdowns. The
12. 0:27lockdowns that shut down
13. 0:303.5 million businesses in our country
14. 0:33with no due process, no just
15. 0:34compensation. All of our churches
16. 0:37closed, our schools, and our children
17. 0:39are still paying the price for that.
18. 0:42And yet we had the worst outcome of any
19. 0:45country in the world.
20. 0:47>> How so?
21. 0:48>> We had the highest death rate from COVID
22. 0:50of any nation on Earth.
23. 0:51>> Well, let me just let me just say, cuz
24. 0:52I've heard you say that before on the
25. 0:54death rate from COVID, um it's not
26. 0:57accurate because
27. 1:00public health experts say that there is
28. 1:02a combination of factors that went into
29. 1:05that. Higher rates of chronic illnesses,
30. 1:07which I know you would agree with, gaps
31. 1:09to our health care system, and
32. 1:10misinformation about vaccines.
33. 1:12>> you just said what I said was
34. 1:14inaccurate. What I said was accurate. We
35. 1:16had the highest death rate from COVID of
36. 1:18any
37. 1:19>> There there are there are
38. 1:20there are other countries that had
39. 1:22higher but
40. 1:23>> You can argue you
41. 1:25about why we had that.
42. 1:27But um you nobody can tell you I mean we
43. 1:31have as you say we have the highest
44. 1:33chronic disease burden in the world.
45. 1:35And Anthony Fauci was mismanaging the
46. 1:38COVID pandemic and he was doing it under
47. 1:40the Biden administration. President
48. 1:42Trump wanted to end the lockdowns. In a
49. 1:45fact, in
50. 1:46Anthony Fauci's diaries,
51. 1:48he talks about how President Trump is
52. 1:50calling him every day trying to get him
53. 1:53to reopen the country.
54. 1:54>> Yeah. Well, I
55. 1:56the lockdowns were done by governors.
56. 1:58I mean certainly Anthony Fauci and the
57. 2:00president had opinions, but the
58. 2:01lockdowns were done by governors and
59. 2:03largely because and largely because
60. 2:06largely because they were hearing they
61. 2:08were hearing from hospitals saying that
62. 2:11their ICUs were overrun and they needed
63. 2:13some help while that was happening. But
64. 2:15I want I want to
65. 2:15>> just not true. What you're saying is not
66. 2:18true. No, they were doing it because
67. 2:20Anthony Fauci
68. 2:21was telling them from the top you need
69. 2:24to lock down. There were ICUs that were
70. 2:26empty all over the country including in
71. 2:28New York at the height.
72. 2:30>> I I'm asking you
73. 2:32I'm going to go back to what I asked you
74. 2:33at the beginning.
75. 2:34Which is President Trump. And he was the
76. 2:38guy in charge. And he you tweeted back
77. 2:41in 2024 that
78. 2:44he let bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci
79. 2:47shut down the entire country. Um
80. 2:50Again, he the president was in charge.
81. 2:52>> The president was trying to reopen the
82. 2:54country when he left.
83. 2:57The country was day was kept closed for
84. 2:59another year almost a year and a half
85. 3:01after that.
86. 3:02>> Let's talk about how to prevent the next
87. 3:05pandemic um because there's a lot of
88. 3:07litigating and re-litigating that I
89. 3:09don't think uh is really helpful to do
90. 3:11uh with regard to COVID. And the
91. 3:13question is about uh so-called gain of
92. 3:16function.
93. 3:17Which uh
94. 3:18for people who aren't entirely clear
95. 3:20about it, it is it is a highly risky
96. 3:23research process that includes
97. 3:26manipulating a virus to study how it
98. 3:28behaves as it evolves.
99. 3:30Now, what scientists say is that
100. 3:32although it's controversial, it's
101. 3:34necessary to prepare for the next
102. 3:37pandemic to get ahead of it to figure
103. 3:39out what these viruses can do. Um
104. 3:42What you want to end this gain of
105. 3:44function research. Some scientists say
106. 3:47isn't it better just to put better
107. 3:49guardrails around it?
108. 3:52>> People have been trying to put
109. 3:53guardrails around it for generations and
110. 3:56it hasn't worked. And clearly, COVID-19
111. 3:59pandemic and many other global pandemics
112. 4:02that we have have come from, you know,
113. 4:04function research. The RSV
114. 4:07epidemics that we have that is the
115. 4:09biggest killer of kids in this country
116. 4:11today
117. 4:12came from these kind of experiments. The
118. 4:15Lyme disease almost certainly came from
119. 4:17this kind of research.
120. 4:19So, who um
121. 4:21and the scientists who you say are
122. 4:24experts
123. 4:25are making the argument that this is
124. 4:27necessary for pandemic response
125. 4:30cannot point to one instance in history
126. 4:33where research that came out of this
127. 4:35kind of experimentation
128. 4:37has actually provided us something
129. 4:41beneficial.
130. 4:42>> So, how do you prepare then? How do you
131. 4:44prepare for the next pandemic? I mean,
132. 4:46that's literally part of your job now
133. 4:48because experts think it's going to
134. 4:49happen within the next 10 years, again.
135. 4:51>> Yeah, I mean, I think we did virtually
136. 4:53everything wrong the last time.
137. 4:55>> So, but what about now?
138. 4:56>> The principal thing that we need to do
139. 4:58is we need to listen to what's happening
140. 5:00to doctors on the ground.
141. 5:02There are 15 million frontline
142. 5:04physicians around the world.
143. 5:06They're mainly now connected through the
144. 5:09internet.
145. 5:10We can tell on the front lines what's
146. 5:12working and what's not.
147. 5:14If we had listened to those doctors
148. 5:16during the COVID pandemic, we would have
149. 5:18saved potentially millions of lives.
150. 5:21There were therapeutics out there that
151. 5:23were working. There were doctors that
152. 5:25were having no deaths from COVID and
153. 5:27treating in some cases thousands of
154. 5:29patients. And we weren't listening to
155. 5:32them. Instead, we were doing the
156. 5:33opposite.
157. 5:34We were shutting them down. And then,
158. 5:36Dana, the other thing that I would say
159. 5:39is that um we need to protect our
160. 5:41constitutional rights. That that is the
161. 5:44primary obligation of our country.
162. 5:47>> Well, during COVID we completely
163. 5:49dismantled our constitutional rights. We
164. 5:51began censoring people in violation of
165. 5:53the First Amendment.
166. 5:54>> I'm not You're You're saying what not to
167. 5:56do. I'm asking what to do. Um but I but
168. 5:58I want to talk about
169. 5:59>> something to do. That's That is the
170. 6:01number one priority.
171. 6:03We protect the Constitution.
172. 6:05The Constitution was written
173. 6:07>> but you're just you're talking about
174. 6:08rights and I'm asking about a potential
175. 6:11public health crisis
176. 6:13that is that is coming. But I do want to
177. 6:15Let's I
178. 6:15>> And one of the mistakes we made in the
179. 6:17last time
180. 6:19was suppressing those rights so people
181. 6:21weren't being heard.
182. 6:23Doctors who were saying, "You're doing
183. 6:25it wrong."
184. 6:26were being marginalized and vilified and
185. 6:30>> because again, I really want to move on.
186. 6:33But
187. 6:33>> Yeah, but you were part of the problem.
188. 6:35>> Yes, I do
189. 6:37I wasn't part of the problem.
190. 6:38>> absolute press malpractice. You weren't
191. 6:41allowing your
192. 6:42>> Mr. Secretary
193. 6:43>> Your job
194. 6:44>> Your job
195. 6:45>> is a fearless skepticism toward
196. 6:47authority. And you weren't doing that.
197. 6:49You were leading people toward this
198. 6:52insanity.
199. 6:53>> No. Okay, are you going to You want to
200. 6:54sit here and attack me or do you want to
201. 6:56have conversation about public health?
202. 6:58>> me.
203. 6:58>> I'm not attacking you. I'm asking
204. 7:00questions about how to prevent the next
205. 7:01pandemic.
206. 7:02>> I'll tell you.
207. 7:03>> That's what I'm trying to do. But I also
208. 7:05don't want to use this
209. 7:08interview to allow you to say things
210. 7:10that aren't entirely true. You're
211. 7:12talking about therapeutics, fine. It is
212. 7:14also factually true that the COVID
213. 7:17vaccine worked. The COVID vaccine
214. 7:19prevented deaths. There is data upon
215. 7:22data upon data. Let's talk about the
216. 7:24measles, please, because this is
217. 7:26something that is happening as as we
218. 7:28speak. The cases
219. 7:30>> The COVID vaccine protected children?
220. 7:33>> I think that what I have to talk to
221. 7:36scientists and doctors about
222. 7:38>> Can you look Can you show me one study?
223. 7:40>> Yes, I can.
224. 7:41>> That shows that
225. 7:42>> I can.
226. 7:43>> children who are protected by the COVID
227. 7:45vaccine.
228. 7:45>> I I can tell you that there are
229. 7:47>> has more good than harm to children. Can
230. 7:50you show me one study that shows that?
231. 7:52>> I can tell you that when it comes to the
232. 7:54vaccine, there have been studies that
233. 7:56show that because of vaccine
234. 7:58disinformation, disinformation, there
235. 8:01could have been 100 to 200,000 lives in
236. 8:04the US saved. But because people didn't
237. 8:07get the vaccine, that's why I'm not
238. 8:09saying that it entire
239. 8:10>> You are saying nonsense. You are saying
240. 8:13something that you cannot show me a
241. 8:15single study
242. 8:16>> I am not saying nonsense.
243. 8:17>> You are talking with
244. 8:19>> Excuse me.
245. 8:20>> Somebody told you.
246. 8:20>> Excuse me.
247. 8:21>> And you show show me the study. You know
248. 8:24what study?
249. 8:25>> No, what studies are you talking about?
250. 8:26You're talking about studies that
251. 8:28actually don't exist. I want to talk
252. 8:30about
253. 8:30>> Show me the study that you're talking
254. 8:32about. You're saying you're saying the
255. 8:33study. Show me the study.
256. 8:36>> This is not productive. I'm not here to
257. 8:38defend all of the Let me Let me finish.
258. 8:40>> You're talking nonsense. You're making
259. 8:41assertions you can't support. And then
260. 8:43when I call you on it, you're telling me
261. 8:45that I'm arguing
262. 8:46>> do you want to talk about You want to
263. 8:48talk about assertions that you can't
264. 8:49support? I'll get there in a second.
265. 8:51Let me just say, for the record, that I
266. 8:54am not saying that the entire way that
267. 8:56the COVID reaction was accurate. It was
268. 8:59a scary time, and people made mistakes.
269. 9:02Absolutely. Let me
270. 9:03>> scaring people.
271. 9:05>> Why are you saying that?
272. 9:06>> Because that was the job of CNN.
273. 9:08>> Okay.
274. 9:09>> It was the thyroid.
275. 9:09>> Thyroid up.
276. 9:11>> But how many people are talking
277. 9:12>> We were trying to
278. 9:13We were listening to the leaders in this
279. 9:16country, including the president who had
280. 9:18a daily press conference explaining what
281. 9:21was going on and trying to listen.
282. 9:22>> Were you listening to the CDC
283. 9:24facts? Were you reading the CDC facts
284. 9:26yourself?
285. 9:27>> The measles cases in the US just reached
286. 9:29a 35-year high.
287. 9:32The second uh
288. 9:33record-breaking year in a row, 93% of
289. 9:36these cases are among the unvaccinated.
290. 9:39The outbreak is happening on your watch.
291. 9:41And even be before becoming HHS
292. 9:44Secretary, for years you have been one
293. 9:46of the leading voices questioning the
294. 9:48efficacy of vaccines. Do you accept some
295. 9:52responsibility for this measles
296. 9:53outbreak?
297. 9:54>> Absolutely not.
298. 9:57First of all, this is an international
299. 9:58outbreak.
300. 9:59So,
301. 10:01and we're doing better at handling it
302. 10:02than any country in the world. Mexico
303. 10:05has 15 times the amount of measles per
304. 10:08capita than we have.
305. 10:10Canada has four times the amount of
306. 10:12measles.
307. 10:13England has two times the amount of
308. 10:14measles. Did I cause those measles
309. 10:16outbreaks?
310. 10:17>> You're the most famous
311. 10:18>> Did I cause 137,000
312. 10:21cases?
313. 10:21>> You're the most famous vaccine skeptic
314. 10:23on the planet.
315. 10:24>> Let me tell you because actually Anthony
316. 10:26Fauci in his diaries
317. 10:28answers the question about why we're
318. 10:30having a measles outbreak right now.
319. 10:32The reason we're having a measles
320. 10:34outbreak because of the COVID lockdowns,
321. 10:36because people didn't like children
322. 10:38during that period did not get
323. 10:40vaccinated.
324. 10:41And in his diaries he says this is going
325. 10:44to cause massive outbreaks of measles
326. 10:47and more children. He says this are
327. 10:49going to die. Let me finish cuz you
328. 10:51accused me of something. Now, let me
329. 10:53>> No, I didn't. I asked you a question.
330. 10:55>> Yeah, let me give you the answer. He
331. 10:57says in his diaries more children are
332. 10:59going to die from measles because of
333. 11:01these lockdowns than COVID.
334. 11:04So, if you want to know in that age
335. 11:06group that should have got the MMR when
336. 11:09they're 18 months and didn't get it,
337. 11:11they're the ones being infected. The
338. 11:13people in this country, and we have
339. 11:15stopped the outbreaks at record speed in
340. 11:17South Carolina, in Texas, in Utah, in
341. 11:20Virginia.
342. 11:22We've done better than any country in
343. 11:23the world. I dispatch immediately the
344. 11:25epidemic intelligence services
345. 11:27to those states. I get on the phone with
346. 11:29the governor and we stop them in their
347. 11:31tracks. Nobody else has able to do that.
348. 11:33>> You have a bully pulpit.
349. 11:33>> Let me tell you just one one last thing.
350. 11:36>> Go ahead.
351. 11:37>> The
352. 11:37The communities that are suffering
353. 11:40from measles are almost all religious
354. 11:43communities that just don't vaccinate.
355. 11:45The The Mennonites have not vaccinated
356. 11:48since 1796 since Edward Jenner
357. 11:51invented the smallpox vaccine. You It's
358. 11:54hard to blame that. I mean, as much as
359. 11:55you want to blame them.
360. 11:56>> don't want to blame you. I'm asking you
361. 11:58because you have a very powerful voice
362. 12:00on these issues for people who are
363. 12:02skeptical that Let me finish. Let me
364. 12:03finish.
365. 12:04>> never questioned the efficacy of the MMR
366. 12:06vaccine.
367. 12:07>> Okay, let me let me finish.
368. 12:09>> I've questioned
369. 12:09>> What I want you to do is, please, use
370. 12:12your bully pulpit to right now, as we're
371. 12:14getting close to back to school, say,
372. 12:17are you willing to say to parents who
373. 12:20have not vaccinated their kids that they
374. 12:21should vaccinate their kids for measles
375. 12:24because it is safe and it will help them
376. 12:26save their children's lives?
377. 12:28>> I I We tell people on my websites, my
378. 12:31public presentations, I'll say it again
379. 12:33now
380. 12:33>> that people parents should get their
381. 12:35children vaccinated for measles.
382. 12:38A measles vaccine is effective. It It
383. 12:41stops measles in about 97% of the cases.
384. 12:44Uh people should get vaccinated.
385. 12:46>> Can I ask you, the Wall Street Journal
386. 12:48reported that the president is
387. 12:49pressuring you to conduct studies
388. 12:52probing the link between vaccines and
389. 12:53autism. Is that true?
390. 12:56>> Did you say probing the link?
391. 12:58>> The what what the wall I'm just quoting
392. 13:00the Wall Street Journal that they that
393. 13:02the president wants you to go further to
394. 13:05probe the link between autism and
395. 13:07vaccines.
396. 13:08>> He certainly does.
397. 13:09>> Okay. Now,
398. 13:12have you talked to him about medical
399. 13:14research that have studied this for 25
400. 13:16years and found no link between autism
401. 13:19and vaccines? And and and just that this
402. 13:22is my question here cuz I don't want to
403. 13:23litigate that. My question is,
404. 13:26why not, cuz you are HHS secretary now?
405. 13:30Why not study what could cause autism,
406. 13:33which scientists do believe starts with
407. 13:36fetal brain development? Why not do some
408. 13:39studies on that, whether there is an
409. 13:41you're an environmental lawyer, whether
410. 13:42there are environmental factors that go
411. 13:45into contributing to a predisposed
412. 13:47genetic situation?
413. 13:48>> Well, let me say this first.
414. 13:51We're doing all those things and that's
415. 13:52one of the ways that we found Tylenol.
416. 13:54There's 73 studies out there
417. 13:57and link Tylenol exposure during later
418. 13:59pregnancy and during the perinatal
419. 14:01period to on to autism onset.
420. 14:05But
421. 14:06um you are wrong when you say that this
422. 14:09issue has been studied.
423. 14:12It has been studied and you're rolling
424. 14:13your eyes saying but this
425. 14:14>> I am because I I don't want I don't want
426. 14:17to have you use our air to say this.
427. 14:19There have been more than 40 studies
428. 14:20involving 5.6 million people to conclude
429. 14:24there is no link between vaccines and
430. 14:26autism. This is the head of the
431. 14:28committee of infectious diseases for the
432. 14:30American Academy of Pediatrics.
433. 14:32>> let me tell you what the Institute of
434. 14:33Medicine has
435. 14:35says,
436. 14:36which is the National Academy of
437. 14:37Sciences,
438. 14:39which is the ultimate arbiter on vaccine
439. 14:41safety and which it does not have an
440. 14:43interest in this debate.
441. 14:45It says that none of the eight vaccines
442. 14:49that are administered during the first 6
443. 14:51months of life
444. 14:52have ever been [clears throat] studied
445. 14:54for a relationship to autism. It found
446. 14:56two studies, one on the DTP vaccine
447. 15:00that showed that it does cause autism
448. 15:03and one on the hepatitis B vaccine
449. 15:06that again suggests that it does cause
450. 15:08autism.
451. 15:09The Institute of Medicine dismissed
452. 15:11those two studies because they were
453. 15:13based on CDC's database.
454. 15:16The studies that you're referring to are
455. 15:18all from one vaccine, MMR vaccine or one
456. 15:21ingredient, thimerosal.
457. 15:22>> So, so you are using you are actually
458. 15:25looking at you're starting new studies
459. 15:27to try to link autism, but you're also
460. 15:29telling me
461. 15:30>> to link autism to anything. I'm trying
462. 15:32to find out why is autism going up so
463. 15:35fast?
464. 15:35>> to Are you also trying to find out how
465. 15:38it interacts with people's DNA, what's
466. 15:41predisposed to to to have an autistic
467. 15:44child? Are you doing both?
468. 15:46>> Yeah, but but you know, you probably
469. 15:48don't understand this because you're not
470. 15:50a scientist, but genes don't cause
471. 15:52autism.
472. 15:53>> Genes don't cause autism.
473. 15:55>> genes epidemic
474. 15:57>> have a vulnerability,
475. 15:58but you need
476. 15:59environmental
477. 16:00>> that's what I'm asking. Are you studying
478. 16:02the environmental factors?
479. 16:03>> the different environmental exposures,
480. 16:05but
481. 16:06your statement, you have been fooled.
482. 16:09Your statement that this has been
483. 16:10studied is not true. It's categorically
484. 16:13not true for
485. 16:14any of this stuff.
486. 16:15>> It is considered
487. 16:18>> Considered by who?
488. 16:19>> By every scientist who has studied this
489. 16:22>> That is not true. I can give you
490. 16:24hundreds of scientists who have looked
491. 16:26at this and said that
492. 16:27>> you are Do you understand why people
493. 16:28aren't getting
494. 16:29>> of Sciences. What greater authority do
495. 16:32you
496. 16:32>> understand why people are not getting
497. 16:33measles vaccines? Cuz they're hearing
498. 16:35you say that it could cause autism.
499. 16:37>> to change the subject.
500. 16:38>> I'm not. It's very much related.
501. 16:40>> me one of the studies that's been done
502. 16:42on the first eight the vaccines during
503. 16:45the first 6 months of life. You will not
504. 16:47find them.
505. 16:48The National Academy of Sciences
506. 16:49>> If that's the case, then why are you
507. 16:51telling people to get the measles
508. 16:52vaccine?
509. 16:53>> because that is one of the vaccines that
510. 16:55has been studied.
511. 16:58>> Okay.
512. 16:58>> It is the only one that has been
513. 17:00studied.
514. 17:01>> Do you want people to get the the MMR
515. 17:04vaccine?
516. 17:05>> Yeah, I said that already.
517. 17:06>> Okay. So,
518. 17:07>> I know you're flustered now, and it is
519. 17:09it is
520. 17:10flustered because people want an honest
521. 17:13answer.
522. 17:14>> I'm frustrated is because I you are the
523. 17:16HHH
524. 17:18you are the HHS secretary and you are
525. 17:21talking about things that that that lead
526. 17:24to vaccine hesitancy in this country.
527. 17:28And and it is something that causes
528. 17:32problems for people when there is not
529. 17:34anything
530. 17:35>> ask you something. Do you see your job
531. 17:39as an vaccine hesitancy or do you see
532. 17:41your job as telling the truth to the
533. 17:43American people?
534. 17:44>> I see my job as telling the truth and
535. 17:46the truth is that there is is study
536. 17:50after study after study. It's one of the
537. 17:51most studied things out there in science
538. 17:54>> it like a parrot.
539. 17:56You're repeating it like a parrot.
540. 17:58>> So I've actually read the science. Let's
541. 18:01you and I
542. 18:02come back here and debate the science.
543. 18:04I'm not debating this video.
544. 18:05>> Of course you are.
545. 18:06>> No, cuz I'm not debating this
546. 18:07>> to do is repeat things that people told
547. 18:10you and say trust the experts. That's
548. 18:12what you did during COVID.
549. 18:15Now we know that it is Fauci who was the
550. 18:17expert was lying about everything about
551. 18:20mass about social distancing about
552. 18:22natural immunity about the transmission
553. 18:24from the vaccine
554. 18:26about the source of COVID. He was lying
555. 18:29and you were punishing people for not
556. 18:32trusting the experts and now you're
557. 18:33rolling out the experts again to talk
558. 18:36about something that you have no
559. 18:38personal knowledge of.
560. 18:39>> Okay, well, guess what?
561. 18:41That is my job to talk to people
562. 18:43>> Your job is TO TELL THE TRUTH
563. 18:45>> JOB YES, YES, and my job is to get as
564. 18:48much information as I can and what we
565. 18:50are doing What we are doing
566. 18:53What we are doing in COVID and and still
567. 18:58with regard to these vaccines is getting
568. 18:59the best information the best science
569. 19:01that we can and putting it out there.
570. 19:03And sir, you what you are doing is
571. 19:06causing information to be out there that
572. 19:09is not accurate.
573. 19:11>> Who was lying to you?
574. 19:12>> National Academy of Sciences which you
575. 19:13just cited in November
576. 19:16said we support the statement that
577. 19:18vaccines do not cause autism. This is
578. 19:21the National Academy of Sciences that
579. 19:23you just talked about.
580. 19:24>> Look at the National Academy of Sciences
581. 19:27most recent report.
582. 19:28>> Okay.
583. 19:29>> And you'll see
584. 19:30>> I I I I want to ask you one other
585. 19:31question cuz it's something that really
586. 19:33did help Donald Trump get elected and
587. 19:35that is the Maha movement and
588. 19:37specifically the question of processed
589. 19:39foods.
590. 19:40>> Of what?
591. 19:41>> Processed foods and the fact that people
592. 19:45want to feel that their food is safe.
593. 19:47My understanding is that you're pushing
594. 19:48for reforms on food safety and
595. 19:51ultra-processed foods that have been
596. 19:52slowed and in some cases blocked by
597. 19:55people in the administration who are
598. 19:56working on behalf of the industry. Is
599. 19:58that true?
600. 20:01>> No, that is not true.
601. 20:03>> So you feel that you'll be able to get
602. 20:05these reforms done without any problems?
603. 20:07>> I think the grass the two big reforms
604. 20:10that you're probably talking about is
605. 20:12ultra-processed food definition.
606. 20:14>> Mhm. Exactly.
607. 20:15>> And the grass standards and they've both
608. 20:16gone through extensive interagency
609. 20:18process. I'm very confident that we will
610. 20:21get them both out there within probably
611. 20:23a month.
612. 20:24>> Well, I'm sorry that this
613. 20:26that's good news for people who are
614. 20:28burying moms
615. 20:29and I'm one of them who are very worried
616. 20:31about making sure that our kids eat food
617. 20:33and we eat food that is that is healthy.
618. 20:36I'm sorry that this turned into
619. 20:39a very contentious conversation and my
620. 20:43job is
621. 20:44to try to get the best information out
622. 20:46there and it does concern me when
623. 20:50you come in and say things that have I I
624. 20:54>> And you're actually
625. 20:55arguing with me.
626. 20:56>> Yeah, people who have science scientific
627. 20:58backgrounds. And who I know have tried
628. 21:01to talk to you as well. Thank you for
629. 21:03coming in.