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0:00We begin this hour in Utah, where
0:01defendant Kouri Richins is accused of
0:03killing her husband, Eric. Prosecutors
0:05say the motive was millions of dollars
0:07in insurance money. Her defense says
0:09that she's being framed by her in-laws.
0:12As we wait for testimony to resume, we
0:14have some unaired testimony from day
0:17one, including questionable body camera
0:19video of this defendant after hearing
0:22her husband had died.
0:26What's your first name?
0:27What's your first name?
0:29Yeah, let's let me
0:31Let let them do their work in there.
0:35So, what happened today?
0:40He was just fine. We were fine.
0:44Hey, when you say when you say we were
0:45fine, what what what time did you see
0:47him
0:49when he was alert?
0:50>> [snorts]
0:51>> We had a drink together at 9:00 to
0:53celebrate something at work tomorrow.
0:56Okay.
0:59We just fell asleep. I went to bed with
1:01my kids.
1:02He went to BED IN OUR BED. What what
1:04time did you guys go to bed?
1:079:30. 9:30?
1:10Okay. 9:45.
1:12And then what what what alerted you to
1:14him today, right now? Well, I I just
1:18woke up. I don't know why, but I said to
1:20my kids I was
1:21wake up and I go back TO MY OWN BED.
1:23>> MHM. I just crawled over on his side and
1:28And he was laying in bed?
1:30He was on
1:31What what
1:32>> back.
1:33Crawled to the bed and I know
1:36Okay. And he was on you said he was on
1:38his back?
1:41Okay. Where where are your children now?
1:46They just sleep in that room, too.
1:48They're awake with their ear to the
1:50door.
1:51I called 911. Please somebody help them
1:53out. Where are the other two at that are
1:55awake? In the hallway bedroom. And where
1:58is that at? It's there first one to your
2:00left.
2:01Okay.
2:03Is there any family members we can call
2:05right now? Yeah, I need to call him. I
2:07need to call my mom so bad.
2:09I think that I don't know what name it
2:10was on the phone. They make I don't
2:12know. Here. Okay.
2:15I need to call my mom. Yep. I'll give
2:18you a phone right now, okay?
2:20I need to call his dad. He's going to be
2:22okay, RIGHT? LIKE I WOULD I GOT IT BAD.
2:25AND THEN I JUST GOT IT.
2:26>> They're They're doing their best, okay,
2:28ma'am?
2:29Here, you can use my phone.
2:30>> [snorts]
2:35[snorts]
2:43>> Mama?
2:46Mom.
2:49Mom.
2:51Yeah?
2:52He's in my house.
2:56He's in my house.
2:58What's going on? I don't know.
3:00Something's wrong with Eric. Something
3:02like that. I don't know what to do.
3:05Like I don't know what's happening.
3:07He wasn't breathing.
3:08I don't know. I hear
3:11Who?
3:12Eric.
3:14Where is he at?
3:16I DON'T KNOW.
3:18HE'S IN THERE.
3:23I'M ON MY WAY.
3:28I THINK MY PARTNER FOUND YOUR PHONE.
3:31Is this it right here?
3:33Does he have any medical conditions or
3:34anything like that?
3:36He may have Lyme's disease.
3:39Lyme's disease?
3:41>> but
3:43I mean nothing major. Like Okay.
3:46So, no heart problems or anything like
3:48that? No. I mean he just said his chest
3:51was hurting he went to bed. But that's
3:55I mean,
3:56no.
3:57I mean, he doesn't drink enough water,
3:59you know, when he gets on the bike
4:01downstairs. I don't know. It just it
4:03didn't
4:06He didn't have any pain.
4:13I mean, he I mean, he was really tired
4:15because he got his allergy shots
4:18yesterday morning. Okay.
4:22But my son didn't go with me to get a
4:24needle.
4:28And then when did you discover him? What
4:30time?
4:33He got up like I got my phone.
4:37breathing
4:39breathing
4:40About 3:00?
4:42I don't know.
4:43It was about 2:00.
4:45Did you immediately call the 911?
4:48Yeah. Well,
4:50he didn't get up, but
4:51well, as soon as I turned over and he
4:52was cold. Mhm. I just felt like
4:55something WAS WRONG,
4:56BUT I MEAN, I JUST PUT THE BLANKET ON
4:57him cuz I just THOUGHT IT
4:59WAS I MEAN, HE WAS COLD. SO, I just
5:04And then I sat up for a minute and I
5:06just didn't feel like
5:09like breathing or anything. And so, I
5:14I kissed him on the head.
5:15Okay.
5:20All right.
5:21And he just felt so heavy.
5:23Mhm.
5:27Any COVID or anything like that?
5:30We all just got over COVID. Okay.
5:33We all had it.
5:34>> And
5:35and when was that?
5:36A couple weeks ago. Okay, so not
5:39recently.
5:40Last week.
5:41So, it just
5:43Oh, he
5:45just they had like had
5:47test, so I was the last positive thing.
5:50He had it, so we had his last negative
5:52test was
5:55a week ago. Okay.
6:04And ma'am, what's your name?
6:06Corey.
6:07I'm sorry, what was that? Corey. With a
6:10C?
6:11No,
6:12c
6:12o r y.
7:24He ate a gummy sometimes before he goes
7:26to bed.
7:28But, he ate a gummy before he goes to
7:29bed. Mhm.
7:31It It didn't
7:33seem like he did though.
7:36So, like a gummy as in like a THC gummy?
7:40Okay.
7:50And who is his primary care physician?
7:55Her Wesley Crusie. Who? Her Wesley
7:59Crusie.
8:00How do you spell that? How do you W E S
8:02L E Y. L E P L E Y?
8:10When was he last seen?
8:13He just had a physical like in
8:15February.
8:17When was that?
8:20This past February.
8:30Hi.
8:34Oh my god.
8:37Oh my god.
8:38Oh my god.
8:39Oh my Please help
8:42Please help
8:44Please help
8:48Eek.
8:49Family members ARE INCOMING.
8:51JUST DAD.
8:53OKAY.
8:54FAMILY MEMBERS ARE INCOMING.
8:56IN THAT DOOR.
8:59CAN YOU TURN AWAY from that door? Turn
9:01away from that
9:03Yes, she's into the left.
9:06There's plenty more to show you. I mean,
9:08it doesn't get any better than that.
9:10Let's bring in my guest here to discuss
9:12though, attorney and former prosecutor
9:13Randolph Rice. All right, um
9:16what do you make of this, Randolph? What
9:19was your initial thought? She's sitting
9:20cross-legged at this point in time of
9:22the video that goes on and on and on.
9:24She's rocking, she's not really showing
9:25her face. She's wearing that child's
9:28onesie. What do you make of it?
9:31Well, good morning, Matt. Yeah, there's
9:32a lot to unpack here, and I actually
9:34took some notes here. I mean, the first
9:35one was the fact that her kids are right
9:39there and she is not comforting them,
9:42that is a red flag. Why are you you know
9:45two of them are awake, one's still
9:46asleep, why is she not over there taking
9:48care of those kids, comforting those
9:50kids, making sure that they're not
9:51hearing what's going on.
9:53Um she certainly is inserting all these
9:55theories that's gummies and that he had
9:57his allergy shot and that, you know, we
9:59just got off of COVID. So, she's
10:01starting to lay some plant some uh some
10:03seeds that something else caused this.
10:06Well, it's not Kouri the author, it's
10:08Kouri the investigator. She's solving
10:09the case for these investigators that
10:11are there on the scene. Randolph?
10:14I that's what she seems to be doing,
10:16right? She's
10:17it Now, look, we are not body language
10:20experts and I will agree, you know,
10:21there's probably different ways to react
10:24to everything, but this just seems off.
10:26Again,
10:27she keeps referring to him as these are
10:29my kids, not our kids and and that one
10:31is a bit strange because mothers usually
10:33have that instinct to protect their
10:35children. Yeah, and maybe we're using my
10:38because maybe, again, she's clothed with
10:40the presumption of innocence, but maybe
10:44there's going to be a conviction. I
10:45don't know. I don't know. Uh we do have
10:47to uh pause the conversation there.
10:49Coming up more on-air testimony in the
10:51Kouri Richins case. This is Court TV
10:54live, your front row seat to justice.
10:58When you discovered him, was he on the
10:59bed?
11:00>> [snorts]
11:02>> Yes.
11:03He was just laying there like
11:05normal.
11:09I just thought he was cold just cuz
11:12it was cold in there, so I I put the
11:14blanket on him.
11:15Yeah.
11:17His body just felt like
11:19heavy.
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12:05>> [music]
12:11>> Today is day two of testimony in the
12:13Kouri Richins trial, the children's book
12:15author accused of poisoning and killing
12:17her husband, Eric, with fentanyl.
12:20Testimony resumes next hour, but first,
12:22we have some of that un-aired footage
12:24from yesterday, including more of that
12:26body camera video.
12:42Basically, she said went to bed at 9:30.
12:45She slept with the kids, because
12:48she goes to bed when she was in bed.
12:50And around 3:00, moved in her bed, she
12:53said he was cold and heavy.
12:56He has life insurance. He got an allergy
12:59shot yesterday.
13:00He said
13:01he might have taken a gummy.
13:04Because she goes to bed
13:05at night.
13:07So,
13:11that's just why I'm thinking this.
13:14They already have a prescription for the
13:16ambulance.
13:17The ex I think it would be bigger here.
13:20I don't know.
13:22Maybe they don't call this.
13:25>> I didn't say anything.
13:34I told him
13:35to leave cuz I love that
13:37baby. Like he's
13:46Did you talk to him like a human being?
13:51I don't remember.
13:53Okay.
13:54What is your name?
14:00If you want to get there quickly, what's
14:01my case number?
14:11Copy.
14:17Yeah, affirmative.
14:23And the complaint's going to be the
14:24wife. First name is Corey.
14:35Oh my god.
14:38Oh my god.
14:53Did you say that to him?
14:54Did you say that to him?
15:18I can't tell who is
15:19>> lost the sound.
15:21Scott, pause there for minute.
15:23Thank you, sir.
15:26Uh Scott, don't change anything for a
15:27minute, please.
15:29All right, one more time, you're on.
15:30Yeah, don't change anything for a
15:32moment. Let me see if I can fix this
15:33from my end.
15:49Uh Scott, can you go back 5 or 10
15:51seconds and test sound for me?
16:08Perfect. We were just waiting for our
16:09Emmy or me and the our detective show.
16:12Yeah,
16:13I don't know if he had an aneurysm or
16:14something with all the blood.
16:18That's what I mean.
16:19There's a lot of blood for some unknown
16:21reason.
16:23Were you first on scene?
16:24Uh we were second. The
16:26first arriving fire guy was here before
16:27us. And there was blood before we got
16:29here. A little bit coming out as soon as
16:31we started doing compressions with the
16:32Lucas is when the blood came out. So
16:34Okay.
16:36All right.
16:38I don't know. No pulse or anything? No.
16:40No, he was cold. I think he'd been dead
16:43a while. Not a long time, but he'd been
16:45dead a minute.
16:46He was nice and clean the whole time, so
16:49Okay.
16:50All right. Yeah,
16:52but for a young guy
16:54Yeah.
16:56Maybe he took some gummies. Yeah, that's
16:58what she said. That's what she said. And
17:01um then the hydrocodone. I think there
17:02was hydrocodone or something.
17:04It was 96 or something. 2016 2016, yeah.
17:09Pretty old.
17:10Did he take that? We don't know. It was
17:13sitting there, though. It's in the
17:15drawer right there.
17:16>> [clears throat]
17:16>> Is this his bag? There's something right
17:18here. What is this right here? Is that
17:19it? Or is it taking for his lung
17:21disease?
17:22>> Yeah.
17:23I'll check for it. Tornage looked at it
17:25and it was
17:27filled with 216. Yeah, that one.
17:29>> It's on there, isn't it? Mhm.
17:31I think he needs to leave some meds out
17:33of that though.
17:34Which one? I don't know. I think that
17:36might be his. Is it empty?
17:38>> Oh, it is.
17:39Okay. It's empty, right? There's nothing
17:41in it.
17:42And we gave him more cans. That one I
17:44think he used.
17:46And I was searching my bag there. And
17:48then you you arrived, he was already on
17:49the floor, right?
17:50>> Yeah, she had pulled him down to the
17:51floor.
17:52Um
17:55Corey?
17:59Yeah, I need to I'm going to need to ask
18:00you some questions real quick, okay? Has
18:02he ever been in the military?
18:04No. No. Does he use tobacco? No. No.
18:08And what does he do for a living? He
18:10owns a stone masonry company.
18:22And then when when you discovered him,
18:24was he on the bed?
18:25>> [snorts]
18:27>> Yes. He was just laying on his side like
18:30normal. Okay.
18:32I think
18:34I just thought he was cold. Just
18:37It was cold in there, so I I put the
18:39blanket on him. Yeah.
18:42His [snorts] body just felt like
18:44big and like
18:47And which way was he facing? Was he
18:48facing towards
18:50um
18:51No, he was just up. Just facing up. Oh,
18:54so he's laying on his back? Okay.
18:58>> [snorts]
19:00>> And then did you pull him to the ground?
19:02Yeah, that's what the lady on the phone
19:04told me to do was to take the sheet and
19:08and
19:09pull the sheet Okay.
19:12to the ground so I could do CPR. Okay.
19:16What's his highest level of education?
19:19He has a bachelor's degree. Okay.
19:23Any
19:24>> My husband was active. He didn't just
19:25die in his sleep. This is insane.
19:31Any um
19:32mental health conditions?
19:36No? Okay. How about any um
19:39any suicidal history? No? No. Never. No.
19:48Has he been seen by a doctor in the last
19:5030 days?
19:52No.
19:59Has any um
20:02any prescriptions in the last 30 days?
20:05No?
20:10Has he had a history of falling or
20:12anything?
20:13No?
20:17Any uh history of prescription abuse?
20:21No? I mean, no. When he was in high
20:23school and stuff, yeah. Okay. He did
20:26pills, I think.
20:34Or maybe a reaction to his shots
20:35yesterday.
20:38I mean, he didn't say it. He felt good
20:40from then. Like He didn't look good last
20:42night.
20:43He looked pale last night. And I He just
20:47I asked if he were okay and
20:50he said yeah, but
20:51he was saying his chest was hurting, but
20:56Kouri Richins there. Do you believe her?
20:58Let us know on social media. Coming up,
21:01more on-air body camera video of this
21:03defendant, Kouri Richins, moments after
21:05she was told that her husband is dead.
21:07This is Court TV Live, your front row
21:09seat [music] to justice.
21:18>> [music]
21:29>> Eric was one of the most likable people.
21:32I'm sorry, guys.
21:34Okay.
21:36Here are tissues if you'd like.
21:37>> Okay.
21:41So, he was one of
21:44Sorry, I'm trying to talk.
21:49He was one of the most likable people
21:51you've ever met. So, Eric was the kind
21:53of person
21:55that loved everyone. It did not matter
21:57who you were,
21:59where you came from,
22:01where he met you.
22:02Everyone
22:04thought they were his best friend. If
22:05you talked to him, they all said, "I'm
22:07Eric's best friend." Cuz that's the way
22:08Eric made you feel.
22:10Welcome back to Court TV Live. I'm Matt
22:12Johnson in today for Julie Grant. We are
22:14just a half an hour away from more live
22:16testimony in the Kouri Richins murder
22:18trial, the Utah mom accused of killing
22:20her husband, Eric, by poisoning him to
22:23death and then writing a children's
22:25grief book about it. As [snorts] we wait
22:27for court to begin on day two, we are
22:29watching some unaired body camera video
22:32from the night in question.
22:36Has he have any history of illicit drug
22:39use or anything in the No, no, no, no,
22:41no, no, no.
22:42>> Okay.
22:47Do you have the phone number to um Herb,
22:51>> [snorts]
22:52>> his doctor?
22:54I can't.
23:03Um
23:05I don't know the address.
23:06We'll show you the address.
23:09What?
23:10Um
23:12I don't know. It's just like the Hershey
23:14Family Heart AND VASCULAR INSTITUTE.
23:18YEAH, I CAN LOOK IT UP. I'M SORRY. NO,
23:20that's right.
23:22Who told the boys?
23:24Carter said he got up and told me.
23:26Why would you tell a child?
23:28Well, they shouldn't have told him my
23:29address. No,
23:31they all know. They told me. How do they
23:33know? They Carter told me and Gavin told
23:35me.
23:36Well, they had told them?
23:38No, I wouldn't be. We were in there. So
23:42We were maybe fire department?
23:44Oh my freaking god. Oh my god. Oh my
23:47god. Oh my god.
24:07Oh my god.
24:13I got that number just kept ringing this
24:15morning and I thought Yeah, cuz we
24:17couldn't find her phone.
24:19I thought you could Somebody called from
24:20a cell phone and then when you Google it
24:22it says it's a spoof number.
24:25What?
24:26I'm going to go up here with these
24:27people.
24:27>> Oh, when's the door closed my room?
24:30Yes, yes, we we
24:32Is he still alive?
24:34So So
24:35I'll explain to you what the process is
24:37right now. Um
24:38cuz he was in good health and at his age
24:41and everything like that, okay? Our
24:42medical examiner is going to come and do
24:45their investigation real quick and then
24:48also our detective
24:50um just to make sure that every
24:52everything's documented, you know,
24:54correctly. And then from there um
24:56they'll explain to you what's going to
24:59happen. Most likely
25:01what I'm thinking cuz you know, he has
25:03no serious health problems or anything
25:05like that.
25:06His age, most likely they're going to
25:09take his body to the Oh my god. medical
25:12examiner's office just to make sure
25:13that, you know, there wasn't anything
25:16else. Okay.
25:17All right. Do you have
25:19Do you have any questions for me right
25:20now?
25:22No.
25:23He had allergy shots yesterday. Yeah,
25:26and then
25:27and that's what she was saying.
25:29when I was here. What kind of allergy
25:31shots? Do you know? He gets weekly
25:33shots.
25:35He and his boy get weekly shots.
25:37So we both just filled it again. Like in
25:40like seasonal allergies?
25:41>> Yeah. Okay, seasonal. And where was that
25:43at? Park City. Park City. Family
25:46Medical? Uh-huh.
25:48No.
25:49Jeremy Ranch, Granger Medical. Granger,
25:52okay.
25:55I called the doctor.
26:15I did.
26:16They're all watching TV. I said, "You
26:18guys got to go back to sleep. It's 4:00
26:19in the morning."
26:27Mhm.
26:29Cam, Ralph, Cam. Yeah. Um need to go
26:32over there and
26:33tell her to get the keys to get the
26:35van keys. Okay. So
26:38Do this here with you? Yep.
26:53Which one? This one. No, WHERE ARE THEY?
26:56WHERE ARE THEY?
26:58WE DON'T KNOW. WE WENT TO BED.
27:00WHERE ARE my Where are my boys?
27:03Where are my Where are my
27:05He took
27:06Chris. He's here. He's going to kill my
27:09Where are my boys?
27:11So, the kids are in
27:15Where is my brother?
27:17He's in the bathroom. No.
27:19>> [clears throat]
27:20>> Baby, wake up.
27:21Chris, wake up.
27:24Baby.
27:26Don't worry. Chris is here. When we get
27:28to the bridge, um we'll relocate your
27:30boys upstairs. Yeah. Cuz there's going
27:32to be a lot of traffic. Yeah, I'll tell
27:34her now.
27:35Okay.
27:37What?
27:38Baby, wake up.
27:41Come on.
27:42Come on.
27:44See you, too.
27:45Oh, come on.
27:46Come on. Mom, they don't love you.
27:48They love you so much.
27:51Come on, Chris.
27:53I love YOU SO MUCH.
27:55COME ON, SWEETIE.
27:57COME ON.
27:58WE'RE GETTING THERE.
27:59WE'RE GETTING THERE.
28:04BABY, WAKE UP.
28:08I CAN EXPLAIN TO HER IF YOU WANT TO
28:09OKAY. GO. I think I am losing
28:11everything. I am losing everything.
28:14Chris, Chris will do anything.
28:17I miss her for turning things. I miss
28:19everything. Take a deep breath. We don't
28:21have to discuss that kind
28:22Where are the boys? Where are the boys?
28:26Okay.
28:34I am sorry. I am sorry. You are not
28:36thinking
28:37straight. It's all [laughter] going to
28:37be
28:38natural, okay?
28:40Take a deep breath. Take a deep breath.
28:43Okay. OH MY GOD.
28:45I AM SO SORRY.
28:49OKAY.
28:55OKAY.
28:58I WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE. OKAY, OKAY,
28:59OKAY,
29:00I CAN'T BREATHE.
29:01I CAN'T
29:02>> [laughter]
29:03>> BREATHE. OH MY GOD, I CAN'T BREATHE.
29:04I JUST TALKED TO HIM LIKE A COUPLE OF
29:06HOURS AGO.
29:13AND YOU JUST WOKE UP TO HIM NOT
29:15BREATHING?
29:16>> [laughter]
29:18>> I went to bed at 11:30. I went to bed at
29:2011:30.
29:21He was in the nightmare.
29:24So I went back in the room
29:25and he was breathing.
29:29All right, [snorts] BREATHE.
29:30AND I JUST turned over to cuddle him and
29:33his body was just so cold. Okay,
29:36he's gone a while.
29:38So the the only information I know from
29:42what the
29:43medical staff that was here is he was
29:46cold to the touch, okay? And it seemed
29:49like he was down for a while.
29:52So
29:53>> he was breathing
29:54at 9:30. I mean, that's when I went to
29:57the bedroom with Ashton. I mean
30:01So unless he went like I didn't hear
30:03anything. I didn't even yell. He didn't
30:05say anything was wrong. Nothing
30:07happened. Like nothing happened.
30:10Oh my god, this is not real. Nothing
30:12happened.
30:13Like he didn't I didn't hear anything
30:15and right across the room. Like if he
30:17was in pain, why didn't he yell?
30:20And pause it there. Let's bring him back
30:22my guest for this hour here to discuss
30:24former prosecutor Randall Fry. So K, are
30:27we seeing a difference now? Are we
30:28seeing why perhaps this is being played
30:32to this jury in Utah? The difference
30:34between collapsing Katie and appearing
30:36crying Corey?
30:39I do think so. And I think this is also
30:41establishing some things that they're
30:43going to be asking other witnesses
30:44about. For example, I wonder if it's
30:46normal for her to go and sleep in her
30:48children's bedroom at night. Had she
30:50ever done that before? Because if she
30:53hadn't, that is very suspicious. And
30:55obviously this is going to establish
30:56that the fact that she did that that
30:58night. You know, I agree with you and I
31:00want to know the answer to that, but I
31:02also am thinking are these crocodile
31:05tears? Or as Julie Grant would say, the
31:07normal host of this show, pants on fire
31:10for Kouri.
31:12>> [gasps]
31:12>> I It does seem a little bit like
31:14crocodile tears. And you know, Matt,
31:16like you said earlier, you know, she's
31:17cloaked in the presumption of innocence.
31:19But isn't it amazing to think that we
31:21are now watching somebody who is
31:22realizing, potentially realizing that
31:24she murdered her husband. That it
31:26worked, what she tried to do worked. And
31:28now she has to play with the family like
31:30she is sad. And like you said, the
31:32crocodile tears are coming out. Well,
31:33you know, and then also I'm noticing she
31:36keeps inserting herself in the
31:38situation. She's not up with her
31:40children, which is what you brought up.
31:42She's there with the body, interacting
31:44with the body that she said was cold to
31:46touch instead of being with her
31:47children, getting them safe. And then
31:50she inserts herself with collapsing
31:52Katie at the front door.
31:55Yeah, I mean this may be her her
31:57decision to try to keep herself as close
31:59as possible to the body so she can hear
32:01any of the police officers' comments.
32:03When the medical examiner gets there,
32:04maybe she can hear what they have to say
32:06that so that her story is consistent
32:09with their findings at the scene. It's
32:11just a a tragic situation. You see the
32:14brother-in-law carrying the kids
32:16upstairs and
32:18you know,
32:19no matter which way this goes, it's just
32:21a loss for that family. Our hearts go
32:23out to them. Randolph, you're going to
32:25be sticking with us. Coming up, more
32:26body camera video of defendant Kouri
32:29Richens moments after her husband Eric
32:32had passed.
32:41>> This is the story of the Richens. Eric,
32:45a father of three, met an untimely end,
32:48and Kouri, his widow, wrote a children's
32:50book on grief. She's also charged now
32:54with his murder. He was faced with
32:56betrayal and terror. I know her
32:58innocent. Is their story a tragic
33:00romance? Or a twisted tale of greed? The
33:03truth will come out. The grief author
33:05murder trial, live coverage weekday
33:08mornings 8/7 Central on Court TV.
33:17>> [music]
33:23>> Welcome back to Court TV Live. I'm Matt
33:24Johnson. So, live testimony in the
33:26murder trial for Kouri Richens resumes
33:28next hour. The Utah mom is accused of
33:31killing her husband, Eric, back in 2022.
33:33As we wait for the judge to take the
33:35bench there, let's get you caught up on
33:37some body camera video of this
33:38defendant.
33:43It sounds like he wasn't.
33:45I know, but wait. I mean, I'm such a
33:47light sleeper. If I heard anything,
33:49I just couldn't have heard anything. If
33:51he just said,
33:52"Kouri," like I would have known.
33:58He was on the phone.
34:01He was on the phone.
34:06Oh my
34:08God.
34:09I almost called MY BROTHER.
34:15I JUST CAN'T
34:18OH MY GOD.
34:20I CAN'T EVEN TALK TO MY
34:22MOM ON THE PHONE because he knows that
34:27Wait.
34:28You can't even breathe, though.
34:31See?
34:32I don't know how I'm going to get
34:33through this. Help.
34:34Help.
35:21>> What time?
35:26So let me I'm we're just going to
35:27document
35:28some
35:30So there's there's some protocols we
35:31have to document.
35:33Um
35:34Like I explained to them, next thing is
35:36our detective and our medical examiner
35:39is going to respond to the location.
35:41They're going to do their
35:42um investigation and document
35:45everything.
35:46And then most likely because of his age,
35:48you know, his health and everything
35:49else, um
35:52most likely.
35:53Uh but that's their
35:56That is that that's their field, not not
35:58ours.
36:00So for us our thing is now we have to
36:03just secure the scene until they get
36:04here and then once it's released
36:06you know, it's up to them and then
36:09most likely you guys will be able to
36:12you know.
36:18funeral home in Newmarket.
36:20Okay.
36:22Um
36:24And that's something you You talk to our
36:26um medical examiner about
38:049:30 9:25 LIKE
38:09I KNOW.
38:11I KNOW.
38:36>> STILL WITH US MY ATTORNEY guest Randolph
38:38Rice. All right Randolph, so this goes
38:40on for quite some time before this jury
38:42on day one of the trial.
38:45You know, in in a lot of times like the
38:47jury doesn't see the whole thing, right?
38:48Like it's stipulated to this part and
38:50this part.
38:52What sticks out to you? Why is this
38:53being played in in its entirety for this
38:55jury?
38:57Well, I think a lot of what we talked
38:58about earlier which was the crocodile
39:01tears of this strange reaction to this.
39:03But I picked up on something that last
39:05clip we said here when she was talking
39:07to Krichen she said, "I can't talk to
39:10your dad right now." Which is a very
39:12interesting statement that why wouldn't
39:14you be able to speak to your husband's
39:16father? Was there a fear? Was the fact
39:18that she was going to get grilled by him
39:20and maybe this is something that's going
39:21to come out later in the trial. Yeah,
39:24you know, that's a really great point
39:25and that's something to watch for. What
39:27else are you going to be watching for?
39:29Today is only day two. We've been
39:31through some powerful testimony already.
39:34Yeah, I'm assuming at this point we're
39:36probably going to see a couple more
39:37investigating officers that were at the
39:39scene. Then we're going to hear medical
39:41examiner who investigated the the body
39:44there, took the body back. We're going
39:46to hear obviously the testimony from the
39:48autopsy, any type of drug testing that
39:50they did. So, it's going to be a very
39:53interesting interesting next couple of
39:54days for the prosecution. How do you
39:56think this defendant is presenting in
39:57court?
40:00Oh Matt, you know, that's a good
40:01question. You know, she's been very
40:02cold. Here was one observation that I
40:04thought I saw yesterday was that the
40:06father
40:08he seemed to be inconsolable while
40:10watching the video, yet she had no
40:13emotion whatsoever. So, I found that to
40:15be very interesting behavior on her part
40:17that she's not more upset. She's not
40:19more sad about this whole series of
40:21events. Well, maybe she's watching in
40:23jail right now and maybe we'll see some
40:25of those tears. Randolph Rice, we know
40:27that you have to get to court. Thank you
40:28so much for being on the program. Coming
40:29up next, testimony. More testimony
40:32expected next hour in the [music] Kouri
40:33Richins murder trial. You're watching
40:35Court TV live, your front row seat to
40:37justice.
40:56>> [music]
41:02>> Welcome back to Court TV live. I'm Hal
41:04Johnson in today for Julie Grant. Thanks
41:05for being with us. Big big day here at
41:08Court TV. Day two of this big trial in
41:10Utah where defendant Kouri Richins is
41:12accused of killing her husband Eric.
41:15The motive, millions of dollars in
41:17insurance money, according to
41:18prosecutors. The defense says that she
41:20is being framed, however, by her
41:22in-laws. As we wait for testimony to
41:25resume, we have a lot of unaired
41:27testimony from yesterday, day one,
41:29including that body camera footage of
41:31this defendant. Let's watch.
41:58Is there any like animals that sleep in
42:00the bedroom with him?
42:02Yeah, my little dog. Your dog on the bed
42:04with him? Most of the time. He's like a
42:0610-lb
42:08little fluffy. Okay, was he
42:13Was he in the bed when you
42:15um came in?
42:17Was he on the bed when you No, he
42:19uh
42:20no, he wasn't in there when I came in.
42:22Okay.
42:34Is your dad on the way, Katie? I don't
42:36know. I don't know. He called me.
42:39We
42:39and I
42:41like screamed and everyone woke up and
42:44then we're here. I don't think I don't
42:46think he can even function or
42:49I'm trying to find somewhere to go be.
42:52Oh my dad's almost here. Oh my god.
42:55Oh my god, I can't talk, Katie. I can't
42:58I can't do it. I'll do it.
43:00I can't
43:03He was fine.
43:04He was fine.
43:06I'll do it.
43:07I'll do it.
43:09My sister's almost here.
43:13Can you can you just please explain to
43:14them the process Yeah. that they can't
43:17pass the threshold until it's released.
43:21Yeah. Was that what you were doing,
43:22staying on the bed?
43:23Yeah, I thought you were like seeing if
43:26I was going to pass out or something.
43:27>> No, it was I was like my And that too,
43:29you know.
43:30I'm so shaky. I think I'm going to stay
43:33here.
43:33Stay sitting until Oh, I will go.
43:36It
43:37looked like blood and that stuff
43:39on his face. No, it was it was like What
43:41is that?
43:43So, like I said, I'm not a medical
43:46uh personnel person, but
43:49what the the ambulance said was he did
43:52have
43:53blood in his mouth.
43:55>> all the blood. So, you know, they don't
43:57know.
43:58It might have been an aneurysm. They
44:00don't know.
44:01Is that a blood clot? I don't I mean
44:06He had blood and this stuff
44:08looked like
44:09not or something.
44:11>> Yeah, cuz cuz when when
44:13did you CPR?
44:15It gets the blood flowing.
44:17It gets moving.
44:18And if it's not pumping
44:23Oh my god.
44:26Really? Well, when I was trying to just
44:29do the
44:29chest compressions it just
44:56So Corrine, does he have any other
44:58medications except for that? He had a
45:00high cholesterol.
45:02Where would he keep his medications? I
45:04don't know.
45:05I'm sorry for that.
45:07Our house cleaner just cleaned.
45:09I I actually I can't find where she put
45:11anything.
45:13But I he doesn't think
45:16that his Lyme's disease doctor just is
45:19weaning him off of his Lyme's disease
45:20medication so he's just taking vitamins
45:22for that. He gave him something like for
45:25the pain because it causes it to
45:27It just burns his body so he has pain
45:30medicine.
45:32And Is it that green bottle?
45:35>> [snorts]
45:35>> I
45:36I honestly I don't know.
45:38I don't know.
45:40I don't know.
45:42That was the one I found in his bag that
45:44he just took to St. George cuz we just
45:46went to St. George.
45:48I would just assume that's that but it
45:50that looked old to me.
45:53I'm sorry. I don't know.
45:55I'm sorry.
46:17>> All right, so Deputy Winn, I want to
46:18show you a couple other exhibits that'll
46:20pop up on your screen there and we'll
46:21kind of move through them. So, first
46:23we'll do exhibit 1-4
46:26S1.
46:30And let's do 1-4 S2. I'll ask you all
46:33the same questions about these.
46:361-4 S3.
46:411-4 S4.
46:45And 1-4 S5.

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