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0:00tell the truth or at least don't lie
0:03and the reason for that is that that's a
0:05very good starting
0:07position to straighten out your life
0:19why should your right to freedom of
0:21speech trump
0:22a trans person's right not to be
0:25offended i mean look at the conversation
0:26we're having right now
0:28you know like you're certainly willing
0:29to risk offending me in the pursuit of
0:31truth
0:32why should you have the right to do that
0:48welcome mr jordan peterson to from spot
0:51in the success
0:52podcast it's an honor to have you here
0:54thank you very much for the invitation
0:56thank you very much uh how does it feel
0:58to be in sweden
1:00um brief i'm only here till tonight
1:03uh it's beautiful i mean we spent tammy
1:05and i my wife and i spent some time
1:07walking around
1:08this morning we had only half an hour
1:10but it's a
1:11spectacularly beautiful place and it's a
1:13lovely day and
1:14and i'm coming back here twice in the
1:16next month so i'll hope
1:17i hope to be able to see some more of it
1:19but it's great to be here
1:21as far as i'm concerned it's amazing
1:23actually so
1:24and i love european cities they're so
1:26unbelievably beautiful
1:28it's it's always i can never it's quite
1:31staggering to come here
1:32always so when i was doing my research
1:36on you
1:36i actually discovered that you and i
1:40are complete opposite in some ways oh
1:44i only eat plants and you all eat
1:47they're the animals i see i see why mr
1:50peterson do you only eat dead animals
1:52well i seem to have some autoimmune
1:55sensitivities that make it difficult for
1:57me to
1:57eat almost anything and so almost
2:00anything
2:02yes so at the moment i just eat beef and
2:06salt and water and have been doing that
2:08for quite a long time
2:09no vegetables at all no nothing except
2:13those three things all right so
2:16and it's been very helpful to me in a
2:19variety of ways
2:21so that's why not it's not out of choice
2:25well i suppose it is because i chose to
2:27do it rather than
2:28not to but but do you feel better with
2:30this diet
2:32yes much better way better in all sorts
2:34of ways
2:35yeah so and
2:39how come you had this healthy issues
2:43earlier in your life yes yes well it
2:46mostly it was a consequence of
2:48my daughter's struggle with a set of
2:50very serious
2:51autoimmune illnesses which she got under
2:54control by
2:55radically restricting her diet like i
2:58eat the same way she eats
3:00and i had some of the same problems that
3:03she did
3:04and so once she had successfully dealt
3:07with them
3:08in a rather miraculous way she suggested
3:11that i try it and
3:13having seen what it did for her i
3:14thought well
3:16i might as well run the experiment and
3:18so i did and it worked and so
3:21i've continued uh
3:24a very funny thing is for 10 years ago
3:27i got the swedish hamburger record
3:32i ate 20 big macs in one hour
3:36and it was that was sick you switched to
3:39plants
3:39[Laughter]
3:41no it's more or three years ago but
3:44yeah i 20 big mess in one hour so that
3:47was the swedish record
3:48yeah i don't think i think this was 18
3:50before 18. yeah yeah
3:52some freak uh-huh so what what in the
3:54world compelled you to do that
3:56apart from the thrill of attainment um
3:59i was growing up in a city like
4:02uh one hour from here and the other guy
4:04that have
4:05had a swedish record also came from the
4:08same city
4:08i see so and in in that small city
4:12called honda
4:14it's like the only thing that they're
4:16famous for so
4:17so you were going to take top players
4:19when i was growing up there
4:20i was like i want to be like jordan
4:22peterson but in this small city
4:24and i want to be a legend and if you
4:26want to be a legend you have to eat many
4:28hamburgers i see i see
4:29well congratulations on having
4:31achievements has sounded complicated has
4:33someone demolished your record yet
4:35um not yet no not yet so maybe you if
4:38you have some time left
4:40yeah i wouldn't be able to buy much meat
4:42beef
4:43just beef just beef not like pure blood
4:46you drink
4:46pure blood no no no only beef
4:49only beef but you have butter or no some
4:52salt no
4:52salt okay salt okay nice
4:56that seems to work yeah pepper not so
4:58well but
5:00thank you i have read your book 12 rules
5:03for life
5:04which is the best selling book in the
5:06world right now
5:08congrats thank you if you were to choose
5:12one rule from your book which one
5:15would that be and why oh it's probably
5:19uh
5:19tell the truth or at least don't lie
5:23and the reason for that is that that's a
5:25very good starting
5:26position to straighten out your life
5:29it's really helpful
5:31to be careful about what you say and to
5:34not
5:34say things that you know are false it's
5:38never or is it like
5:41never would be best or it would be best
5:43yes
5:44i mean it's not a straightforward thing
5:45to do and that doesn't mean you get to
5:47tell the truth to
5:49as a weapon that's not the truth that's
5:52a partial truth masquerading as truth to
5:54use as a weapon
5:56i mean it you have to be sophisticated
5:59about it
6:00but it's very useful to discipline
6:03yourself
6:04not to use your language in a
6:07manipulative manner it doesn't
6:09work it's a very very bad medium to long
6:12term strategy
6:13and your life will become much simpler
6:17in a good way much less anxiety
6:19provoking
6:20and much more exciting and adventurous
6:22if you
6:23just say what you think or even more
6:27importantly
6:27don't say things you know to be untrue
6:30one one
6:30one suggestion i have for people is that
6:34they listen to what they say and
6:37feel how it makes them feel
6:40physically and what you'll see if you
6:42start to pay attention
6:44is that some things you say make you
6:46feel like you're standing on firm ground
6:48and other things that you say
6:51disconnect you and and produce a feeling
6:53of disunity and weakness
6:55and you might think well that's worth it
6:56because i'm manipulating the world in
6:58some particular way to get what i want
7:00and it'll probably work it's like it's
7:01not worth it
7:02it won't work it will kick back and you
7:05will be punished for it
7:07so one of the things that i've learned
7:09as a clinical psychologist which is
7:10actually quite a terrifying
7:12thing to learn is that it's terrifying
7:15when i think of my
7:16own life um i've never seen anyone get
7:19away with anything ever
7:21okay everything you do that you know to
7:24be wrong will
7:25absolutely come back and haunt you and
7:27usually in a magnified way
7:29and so it's very useful to know that
7:32and to be terrified enough of that so
7:35that
7:35you become careful with what you say
7:38it's
7:39and so that's how is that possible
7:42well i don't know if it's possible
7:44perfectly but
7:45you can always chase an ever receding
7:48goal
7:49i mean you can you can certainly not lie
7:53that's possible i mean the reason i
7:56used that formulation in the rule was
7:58because
7:59well you can't exactly tell the truth
8:01because
8:03you're ignorant there's lots of things
8:04you don't know you have your blind spots
8:06and your biases even if you're trying to
8:08work against them
8:09so telling the truth that presupposes
8:12you know the truth
8:14you can strive towards the truth uh
8:17i don't think you can know it but you
8:19can certainly know when you're about to
8:21say something that's patently untrue
8:23by your own definition and you can
8:25certainly not do that
8:27so and that's an excellent place to
8:29start it will it will
8:30if you do that for a number of years
8:32your life will change
8:34radically and and and positively
8:37cool if you had the power to change one
8:40major thing
8:41in the world what would that one thing
8:44be
8:45oh i think we probably covered that is
8:47that i'm going around
8:49everywhere i can suggesting to people
8:51for example that they
8:53adopt more responsibility and that they
8:55try to develop a vision for their life
8:57and that they try to tell the truth
8:59and of all three of those things the
9:01only
9:02idea really that competes with the truth
9:04as
9:05as in terms of potency is the idea that
9:08you should
9:09strive to be positively predisposed
9:13towards
9:14being towards existence despite its
9:16fragility and suffering so
9:19classically speaking the two highest
9:21virtues are truth and love
9:23and it's difficult to put one of those
9:26ahead of the other love means something
9:29like
9:31hoping for hoping and striving
9:34for for the best for things despite the
9:37fact that they're inadequate and damaged
9:40and
9:40and perverse and often malevolent and
9:43that's part of say love your enemies is
9:45well what do you want
9:46for your enemies well you might say you
9:48want their defeat
9:49maybe you want their violent painful
9:51defeat but
9:52it's better to want their transformation
9:56that's that's it's better in all regards
9:59to want that
10:00and to hope for that and to act towards
10:02them in a manner that might facilitate
10:04that so and that's part of
10:07that courageous attitude towards
10:10existence that would manifest itself
10:12in positive regard for for living things
10:16for especially for people yeah so
10:20truth in the service of love that's
10:22that's the right ethic
10:23and it's hard to talk about those things
10:25especially love because the word has
10:26been weakened by misuse
10:28which is why i offered the definition i
10:30offered it's like
10:32it's a it's an attitude of courage to
10:35want the best
10:37for life because life is very cruel
10:40and harsh and it's easy to become turned
10:42against it and bitter
10:44and and there are reasons for that but
10:47it's not helpful
10:48it's wrong despite the fact that there
10:52are reasons for it
10:53bitterness is of no utility so
10:56even though you know i've met many
10:59people
11:00who've had very very hard lives
11:03and to see them become bitter is not a
11:06surprise
11:07but there's no utility whatsoever in it
11:09all it does is make it worse
11:11so grin and barrett so to speak
11:16and that's part of aiming upward
11:19and it is an attitude of courage a
11:21voluntary attitude of courage
11:23and truth serves that goal best so
11:27how could it be otherwise you know you
11:30can think about
11:30you have an option you can either have
11:32reality on your side or against you
11:35if you if you if you abide by the truth
11:37then you have reality on your side
11:41you have reality against you it's like
11:42you think you're going to come
11:44out ahead in that dispute that's not
11:47that's well you only think that if
11:50you've developed a certain amount of
11:51arrogance which is also another very
11:53dangerous thing
11:54i can get away with it it's like no you
11:56can't
11:57you are so outmatched by reality
12:00that there's no contest so
12:05i want to talk a little bit about
12:08success
12:10you have met many of the most successful
12:12people on the planet
12:14what makes the difference between people
12:16who can succeed
12:18and can't oh there's a lot of
12:20differences i mean
12:21it takes a lot of rare traits
12:24generally speaking to to push you in the
12:27direction of success
12:29it also depends on what you mean by
12:30success so we could do this two ways we
12:32could go after classical success which
12:34is the sort of thing that you're
12:36talking about perhaps not not like only
12:39money it's like success
12:41when you feel happy and uh you have a
12:43good life
12:44well lord then there's lots of people
12:46who can there's lots of people who
12:47attain that
12:48i mean i think you can talk about
12:49success in their career and build
12:51companies and
12:53be a big hawk star whatever yeah well i
12:56mean
12:58often you need a set of gifts right
13:02that are given to you at birth to be
13:05spectacularly successful at something
13:07say like sports
13:09then discipline that's extraordinarily
13:11useful
13:13intelligence that's very useful the
13:15marriage of those two
13:17i mean if you have two people who are
13:18equally intelligent and one works twice
13:20as hard as the other then the one who
13:22works twice as hard is much more likely
13:23to be successful
13:25creativity is another useful attribute
13:29reciprocity the ability to reciprocate
13:31that's unbelievably useful
13:33almost all the people i know who are
13:34successful have
13:36very broad well-functioning social
13:39networks
13:40so even if they don't know how to do
13:41something they know someone who knows
13:43how to do it
13:44and they've maintained their
13:45relationships with those and they've
13:47done it with integrity
13:49so they're trusted so they have a
13:51network of trusted people around them
13:53who are highly competent
13:54and so there's an ethical there's an
13:56ethical aspect to that because you don't
13:58gather a group of highly useful
14:02people around you to trade with unless
14:04they trust you
14:05and so honesty is a huge part of it and
14:07i mean i've seen people
14:09go into companies that were failing very
14:12dramatically competent people
14:15go in and with nothing other than their
14:19competence and their honesty
14:21turn the companies around completely and
14:23that's very interesting to
14:25to watch and i've consulted in
14:26situations where that's been the case
14:29so honesty is an
14:33honesty i think the only real natural
14:35resource
14:36apart from air is honesty
14:39it's the it's the basis for wealth
14:41because if
14:42two people treat each other honestly
14:44they can take each other at their word
14:45and then they can cooperate
14:47otherwise you know like if i can't trust
14:49you god only knows
14:51what you're up to you're so complicated
14:53that
14:54we can't do something simple and
14:56straightforward and and directed
14:58together because
14:59we're going to spend all of our time
15:02trying to figure out
15:03what in the world is going on and and
15:06this is partly why so much poverty in
15:08the world is actually generated by
15:09corruption
15:10rather than an absolute lack of material
15:15well an absolute lack of material
15:18corruption is a
15:19is is a force that produces poverty like
15:23nothing else
15:25so honesty integrity and then all the
15:29things that you can be gifted with
15:30intelligence hard work
15:32uh the ability to control emotional
15:34stability how important is hard work
15:37oh very important especially at the
15:39uppermost
15:40pinnacles of different careers because
15:43as you move up a hierarchy of competence
15:45let's say
15:47you surround yourself by people who are
15:49more and more like you
15:50right they have everything you have
15:52right and so
15:54maybe at the at the utmost pinnacle you
15:57need a combination of
15:5810 rare things and you better be
16:02firing you better be firing on all
16:04cylinders on all 10 dimensions because
16:06otherwise
16:07someone else will obtain the position
16:11so the higher up you go in whatever you
16:15do
16:15the more crucial it is that you do
16:18everything that you're doing right
16:20people get taken out you know you see
16:22people very frequently
16:23entertainers for example very very
16:26talented people
16:27and disciplined even and very social too
16:30social
16:30sure exactly and and they have a
16:32drinking problem for example or
16:34and they're done they're done it takes
16:36them out often when they're 27
16:38like so
16:41those are all but trustworthiness is a
16:45huge part of it
16:45you have to be able to take someone at
16:47their word millions people
16:50see you as a role model what is
16:53your key to success
16:59i think mostly it's it's my
17:02the attempts that i've made to um say
17:05what i
17:05believe to be true i mean i have some
17:08talents
17:09i would say i'm uh i'm a i'm a very
17:12effective reader i'm a very fast reader
17:15okay so i can process information
17:18especially verbal information
17:20extremely rapidly so that's been very
17:22helpful to me and they also remember it
17:25um in a strange way like i don't
17:28there's people organized the way they
17:30learn in very different ways
17:32and i have a large
17:35theory of the world let's say that's
17:39fully articulated not fully well
17:41articulated
17:42and when i learn things i plug i plug it
17:44in i plug the pieces that i learn into
17:46it and then i remember those things
17:48some people i've known professors i've
17:50known great professors
17:52remember far more than i do they
17:54remember
17:55the person the name of the person who
17:56wrote the material they remember the
17:58issue of the journal that it was
18:00was published in they have more of a
18:02library-like
18:03memory i'm not like that i i have a body
18:07of knowledge that i can slot things into
18:10and that's one of the things that
18:11enables me to lecture extemporaneously
18:13because i have this
18:14large structure of knowledge that i can
18:16walk through in different ways and i'm
18:18constantly
18:19rearranging it like a human google well
18:22i suppose
18:24except that it's it's themed it's more
18:26like a musical piece in some sense
18:28because it has a structure and and so
18:30i'm tinkering with different parts of it
18:32and sometimes
18:33there are pieces that are radically
18:35revised but it's more like a computer
18:37file system that might be a way you know
18:38you have your own personal file system
18:41and everything's related in some sense
18:42to everything else and
18:44like i can remember i don't know if this
18:46is common or not but i don't know how
18:48many
18:48files i have in my computer maybe 250
18:52000 i know where every one of them is
18:55okay
18:55so and it's because they're all
18:57thematically related so right
18:59and and it's the same with the body of
19:01knowledge that i've built and so when i
19:02read something i just add to what i
19:04already know and then i know where all
19:05the information is
19:06but i forget lots of what i read lots
19:09lots of
19:10majority of what i read and what are
19:11your weaknesses then
19:13do you have any i'm not very
19:15mathematically intelligent i would say
19:17i mean not too bad i'm above somewhat
19:19above average but i've had students who
19:21are mathematically gifted and they're so
19:23much better
19:24at mathematical reasoning than me that
19:26we're not even in the same conceptual
19:27universe
19:28so that's definitely a weakness um
19:32so that's an intellectual weakness
19:35i have a bit of a temper and that has
19:39its advantages but
19:40but it has its disadvantages i have
19:44suffered more with uh mood control than
19:46might be optimal
19:48so i've had that take me out for
19:51times in my career where i wasn't
19:53functioning as effectively as i could
19:55because my mood wasn't regulated well
19:57you're depressed yeah yeah although that
20:00seems to have been treated quite well by
20:02this diet
20:04so i think it was an inflammatory
20:05condition there's lots of reasons for
20:07depression so i think it was a side
20:08effect of an autoimmune disorder
20:11but that took a very very long time to
20:13figure out and so there were times many
20:15times in my career where i wasn't
20:16operating
20:17with peak efficiency so and
20:20that's made me more irritable and
20:23sometimes prone to
20:27well perhaps prone to anger in ways that
20:30haven't been productive
20:33those are the primary weaknesses let's
20:36say that i've had to contend with
20:38um there's others i mean when i was a
20:40kid i really like to drink
20:41so it took me a while to get that under
20:43control
20:44that again had its advantages
20:46disadvantages but as a long-term
20:48strategy it wasn't a good one
20:53what else i'm i'm prone to
20:56say yes to virtually everything and so
20:59because if something comes along and i'm
21:00interested in it then i want to pursue
21:02it it's a that's a consequence of
21:04do you feel stressed up or is it well if
21:06i'm on top of things it's great because
21:08it's a never-ending vista of opportunity
21:10but if my mood tilts then i have way
21:12way too many things to do and i'm sort
21:14of crushed under the weight of it
21:16so so that that can be a disadvantage
21:19and then um it keeps me
21:23i don't know it's the downside of having
21:24an entrepreneurial temperament
21:26you know people think that creativity is
21:29an untrammeled benefit but it's not
21:31because it tangles you up in things and
21:34those things can fail
21:36and even if they don't you have to keep
21:37them going once you're committed to them
21:39and so i suppose i have a proclivity to
21:40be over committed
21:42now i i've been able to
21:45deal with that because i also play a
21:48game
21:49constantly with myself which is i'm
21:52always trying to figure out how to do
21:53things
21:54in the maximally efficient manner and so
21:56i can usually figure out how to do
21:58multiple things simultaneously in a way
22:00that addresses all of them
22:01can you give some example i'm recording
22:04all my lectures and i'm using them as
22:06the first draft for much of what i'm
22:07writing
22:08and i do a different lecture every night
22:09so that i'm using the lectures
22:12as the grounds for for much of what i'm
22:14going to be writing next
22:16and so that way i and for and for blog
22:18posting and potentially for
22:20newspaper articles and for the book as
22:23well yeah and for the book yeah and
22:25and so and so um
22:28i built this system called the
22:30self-authoring
22:32it's on selfauthoring.com and it's a
22:35series of exercises that
22:37are designed to help people write an
22:39autobiography and to
22:40assess their personality faults and
22:42virtues and to make a plan for the
22:43future and
22:44it really works quite well we've done a
22:46fair bit of empirical research
22:47validating it
22:49and that forced me i built a business
22:52out of that and that forced me to learn
22:54how to do sales and marketing and
22:56customer support
22:57and to to learn to not program software
23:00because i can't program unfortunately
23:02which is another weakness
23:04but to design it and and so that's
23:07that's another example of efficiency i
23:09would say
23:12uh i think we can listen to a short clip
23:15a viral clip
23:16the there you talk about scandinavia oh
23:20oh
23:20oh oh well men and women won't sort
23:22themselves into the same categories if
23:24you leave them alone to do it off their
23:25own accord
23:26i've already seen that in scandinavia
23:28it's 20 to one
23:29female nurses to male something like
23:31that it might not be quite that extreme
23:33and approximately the same
23:35male engineers to female engineers and
23:37that's a consequence of the free choice
23:39of men and women in the societies that
23:41have gone farther than any other
23:43societies
23:43to make gender equality the purpose of
23:46the law those are inerratical
23:48differences
23:48you can eradicate them with tremendous
23:50social pressure and
23:52tyranny but if you leave men and women
23:54to make their own choices you will not
23:55get equal outcome
23:56you said that we in scandinavia has the
23:58most developed gender
24:00equality why do you believe that
24:03ratio of men and women differ here the
24:06most
24:07oh because the the data on that's
24:09crystal clear as
24:10as your societies become more
24:12egalitarian the biological differences
24:14between men and women in temperament and
24:16interest magnify
24:18it's the most perhaps it's not the most
24:20well
24:21validated finding in the social sciences
24:23because that's probably the relationship
24:25between iq and
24:26academic achievement but it's probably
24:29number two or number three
24:31it was being replicated three times in
24:32the last month so and the relationship
24:34is actually extremely large there was a
24:36paper in science that was just
24:38that's the best scientific journal in
24:39the world by the way that was just
24:41published last week showing that
24:43there's a massive positive relationship
24:45between the wealth
24:47and egalitarian nature of a country and
24:49the magnitude of difference in
24:51preference
24:52between men and women so and the reason
24:54for that seems to be that
24:56there are two reasons that men and women
24:59differ let's say
25:00one is cultural and one is biological
25:02and when you flatten out the cultural
25:04differences
25:05the biological differences maximize
25:08so you're not going to make women and
25:10men more alike by making society more
25:12egalitarian you're going to make them
25:14more different
25:15and that's fine as far as i'm concerned
25:17it means because it might be that in
25:19optimally structured society people were
25:21free
25:22to choose what their temperament
25:24inclined them towards
25:26it's conceivable that that would be
25:27better for them and better for everyone
25:29else
25:30you know now we might end up with some
25:32trouble possibly
25:33if we have um occupations that become
25:36entirely dominated by one gender you
25:39know
25:40so but well we'll see how the sorting
25:43takes place
25:44and that that'll occur over the next 30
25:46years something like that
25:48well it'll continue after that but um
25:51we'll solve those problems
25:53hypothetically as they come along
25:55so what are the main difference between
25:59men and women that can never been
26:02changed
26:03well there's morphological differences
26:05like physical differences
26:07that that are part and parcel of our
26:09genetic heritage obviously
26:11genitalia would be one of them secondary
26:13sex characteristics
26:15upper body strength so men on average
26:18are much stronger in their upper body
26:20women have a bit of an edge in stamina
26:22they have a bit of an edge in verbal
26:24ability men seem to have a slight edge
26:27in spatial ability
26:28although that's somewhat debatable but
26:30it looks it looks it looks
26:32relatively solid women
26:35are more enthusiastic men are more
26:37assertive
26:38that's extraversion women are higher in
26:41withdrawal and volatility those are both
26:42aspects of trait neuroticism which is
26:44the proclivity for negative emotion
26:46so women experience more negative
26:48emotion than men that kicks in at
26:50puberty
26:51um and the difference isn't massive but
26:53it's
26:54it's it's large enough to produce about
26:56a threefold difference in the rates of
26:58depression and anxiety
27:00worldwide between men and women men are
27:03less agreeable
27:04which is part of what accounts for the
27:06uh ten to one
27:07ratio of men to women who are
27:09incarcerated because that's the best
27:11personality predictor of
27:13of criminal behavior um
27:16women are more aesthetically oriented
27:17and men are more interested in ideas
27:19that's on the openness side
27:21men are more interested in things on
27:24average and women are more interested in
27:26people and that's actually
27:27the largest psychological difference
27:29that we know of between men and women
27:31and that's a major determinant of
27:33occupational choice
27:34okay and so those are that's that's a
27:37good summary of the differences
27:38iq there's there's not much difference
27:41especially at the average
27:43there's some indication that the iq
27:45distribution for men might be flatter
27:47which means that there would be more men
27:49at the lower end and more men at the
27:50upper end
27:51okay now there's some dispute about that
27:53but i think the bulk of the evidence
27:54suggests that that might be the case
27:56all right so but why is the
27:59west of majority of crimes done by men
28:02men are more aggressive they have more
28:04testosterone is it
28:06no no not necessarily although although
28:08testosterone seems to have something to
28:09do with it testosterone is more
28:11associated with confidence and
28:12competence
28:14they're more aggressive but well high
28:16testosterone guys aren't necessarily
28:18more aggressive
28:19i think it might be that badly
28:21socialized high testosterone guys are
28:23more
28:23aggressive in the anti-social way but
28:26testosterone itself is more associated
28:28with dominance than with aggression but
28:29why
28:30are men more aggressive than women
28:34they're bigger they're stronger those
28:36are things that work
28:39the the advantages to being dominant are
28:41more
28:42potent for men because women tend to
28:44choose men who are higher up in status
28:46hierarchies
28:47so the the well i'll give an example
28:50here i can give you an example
28:51and this is a good example um this was
28:54discovered by psychologists working at
28:56mcmaster university in in canada mc
28:58martin and daley and they were looking
29:01at the relationship between inequality
29:03and crime
29:04so in in geographical areas where
29:08there's a lot of inequality
29:09there's a lot more male criminality and
29:11it's almost all
29:12within race male criminality and it's
29:15almost all a consequence of
29:17dominance dispute so now
29:20women are selected men are selected by
29:23women
29:23in part because of their status and so
29:26men have
29:27a fair bit of motivation to acquire
29:30status
29:31and so here's a way of acquiring status
29:33in a high crime neighborhood high
29:35inequality neighborhood in chicago
29:37have a dominance dispute with someone
29:39from another gang okay you're both armed
29:41one of you dies okay now is it murder
29:45or is it self-defense it's plea bargain
29:47to self-defense
29:48you end up in prison for two years you
29:50get out in less than 18 months
29:52your street credibility goes way up the
29:54net
29:55positive consequence across time is is
29:57the net consequence across
29:59a reasonable span of time not your whole
30:01life is positive
30:03you attain status increase so there's
30:05situations where aggression
30:07even untrammeled aggression puts you
30:09higher up in the
30:10mating hierarchy so that's that's one
30:13reason
30:15so aggression physical aggression
30:18physical competition physically
30:20aggressive competition
30:22among women produces no net positive
30:24improvement
30:25in mating opportunity so
30:30right we do like this we jump into the
30:34last three questions in swedish three
30:37sister frogger what is the best
30:41advice you have ever received in your
30:44life
30:46maybe from your wife well i've received
30:49lots of good advice from my wife
30:51um i think it's possible that it was
30:54advice for my father
30:55and he was very careful to
31:00insist that i didn't um
31:06what's the right word
31:10to keep the arrogance down not to brag
31:15and and and that was very good advice i
31:19would say
31:20so what are the best tips for
31:25get a happier life
31:30decide what that would mean it's not
31:33going to happen randomly
31:35i talked about the future authoring
31:37program so what it does is invite people
31:39okay so here
31:40you want a better life here's a way to
31:41have it well first of all
31:44decide what better means for you
31:47so and so you have to have a discussion
31:49with yourself as if you were someone you
31:51cared about
31:52so now we decide you're taking care of
31:54yourself three years down the road
31:56you get to have what you want but you
31:59have to figure out what it
32:00is okay so do you want an intimate
32:02relationship and if so
32:04what kind of relationship how are you
32:06going to structure it
32:07what about your family you know are you
32:09going to get along with your siblings
32:10and your parents are going to have kids
32:12is that going to be part of your life
32:14what are you going to do for your career
32:16or your job
32:17how are you going to educate yourself
32:18and keep your education updated
32:20how are you going to resist the sort of
32:22temptations that take people down
32:24how are you going to take care of
32:25yourself mentally and physically what
32:27are you gonna do with your time outside
32:28of work that's productive and engaging
32:30imagine you could optimize all that okay
32:33so then you need a vision okay
32:34what would my life be like if i had that
32:37and what would it look like well then
32:38you have to make the right sacrifices to
32:40get there
32:41you need to make a strategy and so you
32:43lay out that strategy and then start to
32:45pursue it
32:46and and progress incrementally right
32:50little better tomorrow than you were
32:52yesterday and compare yourself to
32:54yourself which is rule 4 in my book
32:57that'll work you'll be in way better
33:00shape very very rapidly
33:02so but you can't just wait around for
33:04happiness to appear
33:05i mean unless you define it and pursue
33:08it
33:08i mean things don't happen good things
33:12tend not to happen randomly right things
33:15fall apart
33:15randomly so you need a vision you need a
33:18plan for the future
33:20and you know you don't want to make it
33:22rigid and tyrannical and
33:24you have to do it in negotiation with
33:26yourself
33:27but it's unbelievably effective so
33:31do that that works very good advice
33:35if you could should um
33:38if you could recommend one book to
33:41everybody
33:42and you can't say your own 12 rules for
33:44life
33:45which one would you rec would you man's
33:48search for meaning is pretty good
33:50viktor frankl mount association man
33:52search for meaning
33:53yeah it's good it's it's not very long
33:56it's
33:56pretty accessible it's deep it's
34:00and it's it's fundamentally
34:03accurate i would say it's a it's a
34:05profound book
34:06and every and everyone can read it i
34:08think so
34:10what is it about um the person who wrote
34:13it viktor frankl was a psychiatrist who
34:15spent time in auschwitz
34:17and so it's a discussion about
34:19totalitarianism
34:20and meaning and personal responsibility
34:23and it's
34:24brilliant very profound meaningful
34:28serious uplifting book even though it's
34:31very very dark it's a great book it's
34:33it's been a
34:34it's been a best-selling book for
34:38decades because of that and if somebody
34:42that listened to this podcast wants to
34:44get in contact with you
34:45or follow you which platform do you
34:48recommend twitter
34:49no no twitter no twitter i would say
34:51youtube
34:52youtube yeah or my or my instagram
34:56i do have an instagram account um people
34:59can follow that
35:00i have a facebook account um but if you
35:03want to
35:03know more about what i'm thinking about
35:06let's say
35:07youtube is by far the best however you
35:09could go to my website
35:11which is jordanbpeterson.com and it has
35:13my blog
35:14there so you could read that there's
35:16lots of lecture transcripts there as
35:18well as things that i've written
35:19my podcast is there that's another and i
35:22put
35:22many of my youtube lectures come up as
35:25podcasts
35:25and so if you like podcasts better than
35:27youtube videos then that's a good
35:29platform but the best portal all things
35:31considered is probably the website
35:33but youtube is really where i've mostly
35:36concentrated
35:37and the website is jordan b peterson.com
35:42nice it's an honor to have you here
35:45thank you mr jordan peterson thank you
35:47very much
35:48my pleasure thanks again for the
35:50[Music]
35:54invitation

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