Jordan Peterson: "I'm Not Anti-Feminist" | Q&A — Transcript

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1. 0:00the first thing i would say is that
2. 0:03i'm not anti-feminist per se i mean i
3. 0:06think the idea that
4. 0:08the world would benefit from the
5. 0:11movement of talent from both sexes into
6. 0:13the workplace as rapidly as possible is
7. 0:16something that anyone with any sense
8. 0:17should
9. 0:18share given the rather
10. 0:21the rarity of talent and the necessity
11. 0:23for
12. 0:24for utilizing it
13. 0:26i do stand by my original statement
14. 0:28though that there's a brand of more
15. 0:30radical feminism that that insists that
16. 0:33our culture is best characterized as an
17. 0:35oppressive patriarchy and i think that
18. 0:37first of all that that's an appalling
19. 0:39sociological doctrine and i think it has
20. 0:41very negative psychological effects and
21. 0:43they won't be limited to men because ins
22. 0:46if it's true that there's something
23. 0:48toxic let's say about masculinity per se
24. 0:52what that will inevitably mean is that
25. 0:54as women adopt more masculine roles
26. 0:57traditionally what is that toxicity
27. 0:59somehow going to go away but that's a
28. 1:01straw man because no one says there's
29. 1:02anything toxic about masculinity per se
30. 1:05what do you mean no one says that the
31. 1:06term exists
32. 1:08how is that a strong man but where did
33. 1:13about forms of masculinity that are
34. 1:14harmful to men and women it's not about
35. 1:16masculinity per se you must know that i
36. 1:18read the american psychological
37. 1:19association guidelines for the treatment
38. 1:21of boys and men and i know perfectly
39. 1:22well that this is no strong straw man
40. 1:25and it's not only devoted towards what
41. 1:27you might describe as the more
42. 1:28aggressive ends of masculine behavior
43. 1:30it's aimed at at masculinity in a much
44. 1:33broader in a much broader range of
45. 1:35there's a much broader range of
46. 1:37accusations that are underlying that are
47. 1:39under the surface than that
48. 1:40and so i don't see in what way at all
49. 1:42that it's a stroke okay i'm just going
50. 1:44to pause
51. 1:46catherine mcgregor and catherine i mean
52. 1:48you've you've lived on both sides of the
53. 1:50gender fence
54. 1:51so um what are your thoughts on on these
55. 1:54issues and just go back to the question
56. 1:55i don't know whether that qualifies me
57. 1:57or disqualifies me frankly
58. 1:59sorry guys i ratted on the team but not
59. 2:04not for any sociological reasons
60. 2:05intensely personal i gather we might
61. 2:07address that but
62. 2:08look i i i'm not entirely out of
63. 2:10sympathy with jordan's critique i i
64. 2:14i'm the oldest person on this panel by
65. 2:16you tony and in my lifetime i've
66. 2:19[Laughter]
67. 2:21i've seen uh
68. 2:23you know rolling institutional crises
69. 2:26through the west you know the great
70. 2:28american settlement based on britain
71. 2:30woods and nato and the
72. 2:32united nations and so on is fraying
73. 2:34globally in the area that i can talk
74. 2:36about with some authority we're seeing a
75. 2:38dissolving global order now with the
76. 2:40rise of two
77. 2:42autocratic totalitarian capitalist
78. 2:44states which is replicating the
79. 2:46conditions of the 1930 and i gather
80. 2:48we're not doing the geo strategic stuff
81. 2:50but i think it's very alarming
82. 2:52when robert f kennedy who was my
83. 2:54political hero
84. 2:56was running for the presidency of the
85. 2:57united states in 1968
86. 3:00he addressed disenfranchised americans
87. 3:04who were wearing the backlash from from
88. 3:08many white men who were losing their
89. 3:10jobs or perceiving that they were losing
90. 3:11their jobs
91. 3:13the deindustrialization of the west as
92. 3:16jobs are exported to the developing
93. 3:18world um all of these factors are
94. 3:21bobby kennedy said it wasn't jermaine
95. 3:23greer that said it he said when you
96. 3:24remove from the man the right to stand
97. 3:26before his family as a breadwinner and
98. 3:28people will say that's patriarchy that's
99. 3:30your minute by the way so all right well
100. 3:31i'll shut up but
101. 3:34the
102. 3:34the removal of meaningful work amongst
103. 3:38especially unskilled men has a political
104. 3:40consequence and it's been washing
105. 3:42through the american system since 1980
106. 3:44with the reagan democrats the fraying of
107. 3:46the new deal coalition
108. 3:48i don't entirely agree with jordan's
109. 3:50analysis but the problem can't be
110. 3:52gainsaid
111. 3:53and three million books later in 50
112. 3:55languages or whatever it is i bought
113. 3:58your book by the way and you're out
114. 4:00selling shane warren now that's a
115. 4:01culturally specific reference
116. 4:03that delights me in two ways because in
117. 4:06australian cricket no one has more
118. 4:08bleached blonde hair
119. 4:10or has had more work done than i but one
120. 4:12is a close
121. 4:15we should put that out on twitter