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0:01Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
0:04>> The Joe Rogan Experience.
0:06>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY
0:08NIGHT. All day.
0:12>> How are you?
0:13>> Great. How are you doing, John?
0:14>> Very nice to meet you. [music]
0:15>> Nice to meet you.
0:15>> I've enjoyed your content online.
0:17>> Thank you. [laughter]
0:18>> I the first I got first introduced to
0:20you by a video you did with uh his
0:24channel's Megalithic Marvels. Yes.
0:26>> Yeah. And it was about ancient Chinese
0:28artifacts that don't make any sense.
0:31>> Yes.
0:32>> And uh it was so fascinating. The moment
0:34I saw it, I reached out to my guy. I was
0:36like, I got to talk to her because this
0:37is crazy.
0:38>> So, please explain to people what these
0:41artifacts are and what's so bizarre
0:43about them.
0:44>> I I first saw these artifacts in uh the
0:48British Museum. So, they have an entire
0:50whole wall full of them, and they're
0:53they're made of nefright jade, which is
0:55an extremely hard stone. Um, and they
0:58just look they look machined. They look
1:02way too precise for the the tools that
1:05they say built them. So, I started doing
1:07some research. I haven't been to the
1:09site in China. It's it was built by the
1:11Langju culture, so archaeologists say.
1:14Um, but it the it's a two different
1:18kinds of artifacts that are really
1:20famous. One is called a sung tube, which
1:23is a tall tube that's circular in the
1:26middle and square on the outside and
1:29extremely precise geometry. The other
1:31one are these big round B discs that
1:34almost look like a giant flat doughut
1:36that are perfectly flat on top. You
1:38know, there's the precision versions of
1:40these just like you see all over the
1:42world and there are versions that are uh
1:45much crudder. So, it almost seems like
1:47the civilization had this my my theory
1:50is that these were not unlike the
1:53hardstone vases in Egypt. Um, so it was
1:57something that this culture either was
2:00gifted or found and it turned into a
2:04very cherished object like a grave good
2:06for them. So you find these tombs in
2:10Langghu, China that have literally
2:12thousands of these jade artifacts in
2:13them. Um, and it's not unlike the hard
2:17stone vases that you see in Egypt where
2:19you find those in the grapes as well.
2:21>> So what what's the timeline where these
2:24pieces are attributed to?
2:25>> So these are really old. I mean the the
2:28earthworks and the um
2:32the the community around the lean
2:35culture is securely dated by
2:38archaeologists to like 3,400 BC and then
2:41you know just so it's about the same
2:43actually as the graves that were in
2:46Egypt um with the hardstone bases. So
2:49it's very it's very very old.
2:51>> And the the at the time of this culture,
2:55what were their tools? Like do we know?
2:57>> Well, the the archaeologists say that it
2:59were that it was made with um strings.
3:03So they would take strings with sand or
3:05some sort of an abrasive and they would
3:07cut the jade that way and then they
3:09would uh they would use copper tools,
3:12stone hammers, those kinds of things to
3:14shape it.
3:16So the the explanation with
3:17>> a giant smile on your face.
3:18>> The explanation doesn't make a lot of
3:20sense. And even you know the hole down
3:21the middle of the bisc is a perfect I
3:25mean you can see the drill marks on the
3:27inside of the bis.
3:28>> Can we do we have some images of these
3:29things? Let's take a look at them.
3:31>> Jamie I have um a china
3:33>> folder
3:34>> cuz the images on uh and uh by the way
3:36that channel megalithic marvels Derek's
3:38channel. Excellent. Really fun.
3:40>> So great.
3:40>> Great stuff.
3:41>> Yeah. Derek is the one that got me into
3:42all this.
3:43>> Shout out to Derek. Shout out to Derek.
3:45>> So, this is How do you say it? How do
3:48you pronounce that? B disc. B disc. B I
3:50disc.
3:51>> And um how big is this?
3:53>> So, that thing's about 9 in across.
3:56>> Perfectly perfectly circular, perfectly
3:59flat surface on the top,
4:00>> like measured to to what tolerance,
4:05>> you know? I I don't know the answer to
4:06that. And I don't know that there have
4:08been a lot of deep scientific studies on
4:10the precision of these. Right. Right.
4:12The archaeologists assume that that this
4:14culture made them with bamboo, you know,
4:16bamboo and strings.
4:18>> Okay. [snorts]
4:19>> So, yeah, there there that picture,
4:21Jamie, you can see the inside of the
4:24actual artifact in the bottom right.
4:26That's drilled.
4:28>> Yeah.
4:28>> Right. And the one on the left is an
4:30experiment these archaeologists ran with
4:33a bamboo core down the middle of the
4:35jade. And you can just you can see the
4:38difference between the two. How far did
4:40they get down with the bamboo
4:42experiment? Oh,
4:43>> all all the way through.
4:43>> They got all the way through. How long
4:44did that take?
4:46>> I don't know the answer to that. There
4:47was a an archaeologist that did an
4:50experiment in the 1930s and they used
4:53these strings with the abrasives to cut
4:55off a piece of jade that was the size of
4:57a basketball and it took them a week to
5:00to cut the bamb or cut the string all
5:02the way through that piece of jade.
5:04>> So, it was a long time.
5:05>> The difference in the people that are
5:06listening. So, there's the bamboo
5:08experiment where they drilled into
5:09something with a bamboo and and cord and
5:13some What else was did they use? They
5:15like sand or something.
5:16>> Yes. Abrasives of some sort.
5:18>> Yeah.
5:18>> And so, the difference is if you look at
5:20the lines uh as it's drilling down,
5:23they're thick and they don't look the
5:26same. If you look at the ones in the
5:28actual artifact, they're extremely
5:30tight. They're they're way smaller and
5:33they're they're tighter to each other
5:35and it doesn't make sense. Like you look
5:37at that, you're like that looks like a
5:39machine.
5:40>> It it does. And in this specific
5:42instance, it looks to me like the drill
5:44came from both directions. Like they
5:47flipped it over and drilled from the top
5:49and then flipped it over again and
5:50drilled from the bottom and that's where
5:51it met in the middle.
5:53>> Wow. Um,
5:56so when what is like what's out of all
6:00these uh different artifacts, what's the
6:02most puzzling one to you?
6:04>> The sung tube,
6:05>> which is the one on the left hand side
6:06there.
6:07>> Yep. So that you know that is a it's
6:10larger on top, smaller on the bottom,
6:12perfectly 90° corners. Um, it's got a
6:16round tube in the middle, but the
6:18artifact in general is square. So it's
6:20just a very complex shape to create with
6:23that level of precision. And Nefright
6:26jade is a very a very hard stone. So it
6:28would have taken you know this is a
6:30people in my space talk about the mo
6:32scale of hardness just as a way of
6:34saying diamonds are a 10. You know
6:37different different stone levels the the
6:39um
6:41the hard stone discs like diorite that
6:44would be a six or seven. This is the
6:47same. It's it's that hard. Wow. And
6:52so
6:53is the idea um well I'm just assuming
6:56the idea is that there was a more
6:58sophisticated culture that probably
7:00existed predating that and these are
7:02leftover artifacts.
7:04>> It is only my opinion that that's the
7:07case. I haven't seen a lot of people
7:09talk about these artifacts at all. Um
7:12Jamie, if you go back to the picture you
7:14had just flashed on the screen, [snorts]
7:16the reason I've developed this theory,
7:18so this is an image on the side of the
7:20largest uh sung tube. It's called the
7:23king of jade sung. It's a 15 uh pound
7:27artifact that was found and you can see
7:30the raised stone. So it's the high
7:33relief carvings that were later etched
7:35over. [snorts] That etching is has
7:38become very famous. If you look at
7:40photos of the museum in Liangghu, this
7:44image is everywhere. And I think that
7:46this was an image that was used by uh
7:49the Leangju tribe as like the the image
7:52of the king basically. And so I but I do
7:55believe that it was scratched over the
7:58top of an original very uh interesting
8:02high relief carving that you see in a
8:04lot of other artifacts. Um so I think
8:06that he basically found this. it looks
8:10um it's something that they maybe could
8:12not recreate and then they kind of
8:14stamped their their kingly symbol over
8:17the top of it.
8:18>> So this is um it's common in Egypt as
8:21well that and particularly this theory
8:23among alternative historians because you
8:26look at the complexity of some of the
8:28sarcophaguses and some of the different
8:29things that and then you see the writing
8:31on the outside which looks like crudder.
8:34The the the writing is not as precise.
8:36The cutting is not as precise. There's a
8:38lot of like chips to it. It doesn't look
8:40>> like they use the same materials or the
8:42same uh utensils you or tools.
8:46>> Yeah. And you know the question is if
8:47you had the ability there's the king of
8:50jade sung. So if you had the ability to
8:53make an artifact in that kind of a
8:55shape, why would you not have also
8:58created the scratching over the top in
9:00that high that high quality version? So
9:03why would you create the artifact like
9:05that and then just scratch over the top
9:06of it, right? It doesn't make sense.
9:08>> It's there's always that's always been
9:10the case that
9:12history shows that people who are
9:14controlling a region will take credit
9:16for everything. They'll take credit for
9:17all the ancient stuff, too. They'll put
9:19their name on it. They own everything.
9:21Yeah.
9:21>> You know, and that's famous with
9:23Pharaohs. They they did it with
9:25everything. And this is documented. We
9:27know that they wrote their name on
9:28things that they didn't create.
9:29>> Yeah. Ramsy's I was king Selfie. You
9:32know, he [laughter] he put his cart on
9:34everything.
9:35>> Yeah. Which is I mean, it sounds like
9:38what a dictator does. It sounds like
9:39what a pharaoh would do.
9:40>> Yeah.
9:41>> You know, it doesn't mean that they made
9:42it. And for us to just assume that they
9:44did, knowing that people in great power
9:47behave that way is kind of kind of
9:49crazy. That's our map of history. So,
9:52how did you get down this road where you
9:55started looking at these objects and
9:57looking at the the conventional
10:00historical timeline and saying
10:01something's wrong here
10:03>> specific to the Chinese artifacts?
10:05>> Yeah. Or or were you already on that
10:07path when you found the Chinese
10:08artifacts?
10:09>> I've been on this path for a while and
10:11you know my the name of my channel is
10:13Secrets and Stone and the reason I named
10:16it that is because I believe that the
10:18stones speak to you. they will show you
10:20exactly what the story is, right? Um, so
10:23with these artifacts, just like the hard
10:25stone de or hard stone bases, uh, it
10:28just is out of place, you know, it
10:31doesn't make any sense. And especially
10:32in the British Museum, when you look at
10:34these with your own eyes, um, and then
10:37you read the story of how they believe
10:38that they were made, you know, it's it
10:40just doesn't it doesn't add up. And so
10:43all you have to do, you know, in any of
10:45these places is dig one or two levels
10:47down and you start to start to see a lot
10:49of inconsistencies.
10:51>> One or two levels. So meaning that the
10:53older stuff is the more complex.
10:55>> Yeah. Or um with the way that the
10:59archaeologists have interpreted a lot of
11:01these sites, there's a whole lot of uh
11:05assumptions that are made. You know,
11:07there's there's carbon dating that only
11:09goes partway down. uh you know they
11:12they'll dig partway down, they'll date
11:13it, it matches their story, and they
11:15write the report. They'll take
11:17inscriptions, you know, especially in
11:19Cambodia, places like that, where a king
11:22has written an inscription, and they'll
11:24say, "Yep, well, that king wrote on
11:26this, so this must have been made at
11:28this time." And there's really no no
11:30further investigation. Um, so it's it's
11:33become a theme with my work um where
11:36I'll go somewhere specifically with the
11:38megalithic uh architecture. You can you
11:42can see exactly where the old
11:45architecture was built. Oftentimes it's
11:47the lowest level and then you can see
11:49where other cultures have come later and
11:51built on top of it. And it just looks it
11:54looks like a
11:56just a copy of what's underneath. It's
11:58like they were really trying to make
12:00what they saw, but they just couldn't.
12:02And so once you've kind of trained your
12:04eye for that, you go anywhere in the
12:06world and you see it.
12:08>> How did you start looking at this stuff?
12:10>> Um, I went to Well, I went to Egypt four
12:14years ago and watched Ben Van Kirkwick's
12:16videos. You know, Ben.
12:18>> Sure.
12:18>> Um, he's awesome.
12:19>> So, I watched a couple of his videos on
12:21the way to Egypt. That was my first kind
12:25of introduction to this and then it just
12:27became a bit of a obsession for me. Um I
12:31like to go to the sites around the world
12:33that other people don't really go to. So
12:36um you know I think Egypt and Peru and
12:39Turkey that's it's all in good hands,
12:42right? Ben's Ben's watching over Egypt.
12:44We've got Brian Forester down in Peru
12:46doing amazing work. Um the sites I go to
12:49are the sites that nobody else really
12:51visits. Um, so I just got back from
12:53India a couple weeks ago. I spent a lot
12:56of time in Cambodia. I went to Thailand.
12:59And these are the sites that I think if
13:01you're trying to make a case or at least
13:04a strong enough case that people will
13:06consider, right, that there may be a
13:08different history than what we're being
13:10told. Um, I think you have to have more
13:14than three examples. So if you can start
13:16to to do a lot of research on these
13:18sites all around the world, um you can
13:22have thousands of examples of nubs for
13:25example or megalithic architecture that
13:27looks very similar. These walls that
13:29look very similar all over the world
13:31>> and it just make in my mind it makes a
13:33much stronger case for it than just
13:35continuing to look at the same sites
13:36over and over again. It seems to me so
13:39much more likely that the the timeline
13:43is incorrect than the historians are
13:46right and everyone else is just a
13:47conspiracy theorist weirdo. The the more
13:50you look at it, the more the more
13:52questions I have like that Kyasa temple
13:56in India. Yeah,
13:57>> we've gone over that a few times, but
13:59Jamie pointed out something that they
14:01brought in about was it like an army to
14:03try to destroy it.
14:04>> Mhm.
14:05>> And they barely put a dent in the damn
14:07thing.
14:07>> Yeah.
14:07>> And they they stayed for a long time.
14:09They tried to smash it up and they
14:11couldn't do [ __ ] to it.
14:12>> Yeah.
14:12>> And then you go, "Okay, well, how did
14:14they make this? What did they? And I saw
14:16a a really wild uh YouTube video the
14:19other day where this guy was proposing
14:20that they used lasers and that it was
14:22all laser carved and that they had some
14:25sort of like super sophisticated laser
14:27setup back then. That's why you're not
14:28finding all the stone
14:30>> that was
14:31>> well you know it
14:32>> like what? Wait a minute.
14:34>> Look, I think that's absolutely
14:37possible. It sounds but also so insane
14:40that we're so wrong about the linear
14:42timeline of human history that they had
14:45[ __ ] lasers in India like how many
14:48thousands of years ago
14:49>> that they were using to carve an entire
14:52massive perfect temple out of rock
14:56>> you know I was just down at the Hoala
14:58temples which are in southern India and
15:00they have these lathes lathe turned
15:03pillars the pillars are feet across
15:06they're huge
15:07and you walk up to them and you look at
15:09them closely and you can see the lathe
15:11marks on them and archaeologists concede
15:14that they're lathe turned but they don't
15:16concede that it's machined. So they
15:19basically say well maybe they were
15:21turned on a lathe. We'll give you that
15:22but that was probably humanpowered or
15:24animal powered. Yeah. So these are
15:27>> god
15:27>> these are the statue or the uh lathe
15:30turn pillars in southern India. I was
15:31just looking at these with my own eyes a
15:33couple weeks ago. It's completely
15:36unexplainable. And to think of the size
15:38of the machine that would be required.
15:41You say you turn that pillar sideways,
15:44you [snorts] connect it to a machine on
15:45each side and you start lathing. Um
15:48Jamie, I have a folder in my India
15:52[clears throat] uh pictures that
15:54>> God that's so pretty
15:55>> that has lots of ev So what you can see
15:58at sites like Hampy in India is you can
16:00see the evidence of lathing. So, it
16:03almost looks like the setup that they
16:06would have used to carve these kinds of
16:08pillars. And it's just sitting in kind
16:11of far-flung corners of these sites.
16:14Nobody addresses what they are. Um, and
16:17and so the evidence is everywhere of
16:20this. It's just not, you know, it's
16:22written off. It's like, well, that must
16:24have been an animal powered lathe,
16:27[laughter] you know. So, I I do think we
16:28have strong evidence for machining in
16:31ancient history. And in my mind, it
16:33doesn't have to be machines. You know,
16:35there there could have been other ways
16:36that they were doing this that we don't
16:38even recognize.
16:39>> So, what is this that we're looking at?
16:40>> So, this is in um this is at the museum
16:43in Hampy in southern India. And that to
16:47me looks like the L. So, it looks like
16:50where a pillar might have been placed
16:53and the machine was spinning um you
16:56know, some sort of a lathe machine. So I
16:59I think it's like the you know the other
17:01side of these pillars basically
17:03>> like the the end plates.
17:04>> Yeah. Exactly.
17:05>> Right. Okay. And so these pillars, how
17:09large are they? Can you Jamie, could you
17:11go to that image in the lower right hand
17:12corner, please? That one right there.
17:14That God, I can't get over how pretty
17:16that is.
17:16>> They're so incredible in real life, too.
17:18>> How tall are they?
17:19>> Way tall. I mean, I my head would
17:21probably go halfway up that pillar.
17:23They're twice as tall as me.
17:25>> So immensely heavy. And what kind of
17:27stone is it carved out of?
17:29>> This is a chloritic shist. So it's a
17:32it's called soap stone.
17:34>> So pretty.
17:35>> But there are lathed turn pillars that
17:37are also granite.
17:38>> In in southern India, it's a soap stone.
17:41So when it's uh quarried, it's a little
17:43bit softer and then it hardens once it's
17:45out of the quarry.
17:46>> Has anyone done an analysis of the
17:49geometry in these things? Like how
17:52precise it is and how like I'm I'm
17:55looking at it. If you go to that the one
17:57uh next to it, please. That one. The
17:59Yeah, that one. When I'm looking at the
18:02precision of that and how many different
18:05pieces there are, I I would love to know
18:08how uniform those are because it looks
18:11insane. That looks so beautiful.
18:14>> It's
18:15>> We're looking at uh how do you say that
18:16word? Copeswar.
18:18>> Copwar. Madev. Is that how you say it?
18:20Mahadev.
18:22>> God, that's [clears throat] pretty.
18:23>> It's incredible. And you know, these
18:25sites have crazy energy, too. You walk
18:28into them and you can tell that they
18:29were they were made with a lot of love.
18:32Um, these these pillars, you know, you
18:35can't help but touch them. [laughter]
18:37>> You're allowed to touch them.
18:38>> Yeah, absolutely.
18:40>> Look at that. Like, I would love to know
18:42what the precision of that is.
18:44>> Yeah.
18:45>> Because really, imagine if it's insanely
18:48precise and then you have to explain
18:50that, too. Not just stone chisels and
18:52tools and stuff, but
18:54>> when you can see in the pillars, you can
18:56see where the lathe started at the
18:58bottom and you can see where it stopped
18:59at the top. It's just it's just running.
19:02And you know, a lot of people are like,
19:03"Well, turn it sideways. Is that some
19:06sort of a a soundwave, right? Is it
19:09mimicking? Is it telling us something?"
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19:51I'm glad you point that out. I've seen
19:52that, too. Does that make sense?
19:54>> I think so.
19:55>> Can I say that again, Jamie?
19:56>> Yeah, I was just trying to find out your
19:58question
20:00>> of how precise they are.
20:02>> Oh, here [clears throat] it goes. The
20:03pillars in how do you say it? Suara
20:06Mandap of Copwar Temple are lathe turned
20:09with extremely uniform circular and poly
20:12polygonal profiles
20:14showing high geometric precision and
20:16tight alignment despite being carved
20:18from stone without mortared joints.
20:21>> It says it resembles machine turned
20:23work.
20:24>> Resembles.
20:25>> Yeah,
20:25>> that's cute.
20:26>> Mhm.
20:27>> Isn't it more likely [laughter] that it
20:29was machine turned if it's exactly?
20:32Pillars are laid out with consistent
20:33spacing in the circular hall so that the
20:35open oculus in the ceiling remains
20:37perfectly centered, suggesting careful
20:39radial planning and load distribution.
20:41The temple uses interlocking stone and
20:44gravity rather than mortar. So the
20:46precise fit of the pillars into bases
20:48and beams is critical to stability and
20:50is cited as an example of advanced
20:52medieval Indian stone engineering.
20:55One thing that's interesting when you go
20:56to these temples is you can see where
21:00they have moved these pillars into the
21:02temples. So the core of most of these
21:04temples in my opinion is the original
21:07megalithic part of these temples, the
21:09oldest stuff. But you can see where
21:11these pillars have been moved into new
21:13temples. And so you'll see these crazy
21:16precise dark stones.
21:18>> Says this is a rotating pillar.
21:20>> What?
21:21>> I think it used to rotate. It does not
21:24anymore. I actually saw that pillar.
21:26>> When did it stop? [laughter]
21:27>> I don't know. And maybe that's just a
21:29myth. I have no idea. But you can see
21:32where they they moved these pillars from
21:35original temples or maybe who knows?
21:36Maybe they found a workshop somewhere
21:38with these and they put them in the in
21:40the center of the newer temples. So it's
21:43it's not precise at all. Very crude
21:46stonework above and below them. And then
21:48they have this perfect lathe pillar
21:49right in the middle. What? So what is
21:51the timeline that they attribute to the
21:54construction of these?
21:55>> Oh, you know, 1,200 to,500 AD.
21:58>> And why do they say that?
22:00>> Because the kings that ruled during that
22:02time period wrote inscriptions
22:04>> on the pillars in a lot of instances on
22:07the sides of the temples, things like
22:09that.
22:09>> Yeah.
22:10>> It's it's all inscriptional evidence.
22:13>> I would need more evidence, you know.
22:15>> Right. Well, what's really interesting
22:17I've done a lot
22:17>> That's great. It's graffiti.
22:19>> Yeah. I've [snorts] done a lot of
22:20research in Cambodia and they they date
22:22all of their uh all of their temples
22:25based on inscriptions and when you
22:28actually run these inscriptions through
22:30AI and you translate them, they've all
22:32been translated from Sanskrit to French.
22:34I then translated it from French to
22:36English and when you read what the kings
22:38actually wrote, very seldom do they say,
22:42I king so and so built this. What they
22:44say is I installed a lingum. I brought
22:48a, you know, I brought a a statue to
22:50this temple. And so the archaeologists
22:52make a fairly big jump between what the
22:56kings actually wrote and saying, well,
22:59this king must have built this. So in a
23:01lot of instances, they're actually
23:02putting words into into their mouths.
23:05>> Wow. [snorts] Um, so what is your belief
23:09in terms of the timeline of the
23:11construction of these things?
23:13I mean it in the oldest instances it I I
23:17personally believe that it's pre flood
23:21so you know more than 12,000 years ago.
23:23I think there are some that are probably
23:26older very you know
23:29Peru is I just got back from Peru a
23:31couple of months ago that's fully
23:33unexplainable. You've talked about Peru
23:35on your show many times. Egypt is
23:37incredibly ancient. I actually believe
23:39that India is one of the most ancient
23:41places on earth. Um, and were they were
23:44they different civilizations building
23:46there? What they built suggests that it
23:48probably was. Were they in contact with
23:51each other? I believe they were. You
23:53know, there's enough similarities around
23:55the world that it feels like there was a
23:57communication network between them. But
23:59when you look at the actual building
24:01styles between, take those three
24:03examples, India, Egypt, and Peru,
24:06they're completely different, right? E
24:08Egypt is very just uh just blocks, very
24:12few decorations, especially in places
24:14like the Oyerion. It doesn't it's just
24:17um it almost looks it's like clinical,
24:20you know, but then you're in Peru and
24:22it's playful there. There are these big
24:24pillowy blocks and then you go to India
24:27and there's carvings all over
24:28everything, right? And so I do believe
24:31that there are certain places in this
24:33world that are substantially older and I
24:36believe that for thousands of years
24:39civilizations have been they're
24:41attracted to these places and they build
24:43on top of them and they settle there and
24:45so you just see generation after
24:46generation after generation of building
24:48on top of them.
24:49>> Well, it makes sense when you think
24:50about Kyasa because look how perfect it
24:54is now. And this is thousands of years
24:57after they attribute it to being built
24:59or at least a thousand years.
25:00>> Yeah.
25:01>> And it looks like there's been zero
25:03erosion.
25:04>> Yeah.
25:04>> Now add a few thousand years to that,
25:07it's going to look exactly the same.
25:09>> Yeah.
25:09>> And if you're just generation after
25:11generation like not knowing who built it
25:14and you get a version of uh you know
25:16this king said he did it or this guy
25:18said he did like how add a few thousand
25:21years and it's [ __ ] guesswork.
25:23>> 100%. And to have archaeologists shift
25:26through dirt and find an inscription
25:28somewhere and go, "Oh, we nailed it."
25:30Like,
25:31>> god, that's such a disservice to what
25:33the complexity of the mystery of what
25:35we're looking at is. Yeah.
25:37>> Like just the Kyasa one is. I am
25:39obsessed with that place. I've I've
25:41watched like four or five documentaries
25:42on it and see and we went over it on the
25:46podcast the other day with the CEO of
25:47Perplexity. It's like it's [ __ ]
25:50bananas.
25:51>> Yeah. It's so crazy how precise and one
25:54mistake and you're [ __ ] Y
25:56>> but yet it's all geometrically aligned.
25:59There's they have no idea what they did
26:01with all the stone.
26:02>> Yeah, [laughter]
26:03>> that's the big question, right?
26:04>> That seems so crazy.
26:05>> They removed an entire cliffside
26:08mountain and you know it was it was they
26:10carved it from the top down.
26:11>> Yeah. And put it where would you do it
26:13at all?
26:13>> Good question.
26:14>> That's so much rock. That's not a little
26:16bit of rock. You would think there'd be
26:17some laying around.
26:18>> Yeah. Even after thousands of years,
26:20you'd have like a pile somewhere. Like,
26:22[ __ ] it. Anybody want some free stone?
26:23It's over there. No one's going to take
26:25all the stone. You have [ __ ] millions
26:27and millions of tons of stone. Like,
26:29that's crazy. What' you do with it?
26:31>> You know what I wonder? I wonder I do
26:34feel for archaeologists, right? I mean,
26:36they they go to a site and they're like,
26:38gosh, maybe this feels a little older,
26:39but the only evidence I have are
26:42potshurds that I can date. I can dig
26:45down and I can find cultural layers of
26:47cultures that in my opinion lived there
26:50afterwards. They're dating that and they
26:52see inscriptions and that's the evidence
26:55that they have to make their case. But I
26:57do wonder how many of them are looking
26:59at these sites and saying, "Yeah, this
27:01actually doesn't make a whole lot of
27:02sense."
27:03>> A lot of the young ones,
27:04>> I've talked to them. I've talked to
27:06them. Um I think this the hierarchal the
27:09hierarchal what's the word? hierarchy
27:12the structure of academics and in terms
27:15of these guys that are teaching
27:17university courses and giving out PhDs
27:19and writing books and they have a vast
27:22body of work that's all about the
27:24timeline and all about you know what
27:27they know and they are the gatekeepers
27:29of information
27:30>> and there's a lot of ego involved with
27:32academics I'm sure you know that
27:34>> and they get really shitty with each
27:36other and they're vicious they're
27:37vicious when they attack each other even
27:39if they're wrong like the the whole
27:41Clovis first thing was the best example
27:44of that.
27:45>> The gentleman who proposed this theory
27:47that there were people here older than
27:48the Clovis people was destroyed
27:51>> by by his own peers.
27:53>> And it took years before it was proven
27:56that he was correct. And not only was he
27:57correct, but he was correct by like over
27:5910,000 years. Yeah.
28:01>> Like now they're pushing it past 22,000
28:03years ago because of the footprints they
28:05found in White Sands, New Mexico.
28:06>> Right. The peopleing of the Americas.
28:08>> Yes. Humans have been here a long long
28:11long time. And this is just indicative
28:15of this pattern that happens whenever
28:17anybody comes up with any sort of an
28:18alternative theory that doesn't come
28:20from the gated halls of academia.
28:22They're just dismissed. But but
28:25academics have only been around for a
28:27few hundred years. Like we have to stop
28:29and think about how crazy it is that
28:31we've put the power in these people that
28:33we know are not always accurate nor are
28:35they compromised and they have ego
28:36problems and they have this structure of
28:39the people at the top that are giving
28:43out grants and giving out funding and
28:46giving PhDs and reading people's
28:48dissertations. It's like it's very
28:51social and it's very complex and to
28:54deviate from the narrative is
28:57devastating for your career. Like if if
28:59they can destroy the guy who proposed
29:02that Clovis first was incorrect. That
29:03guy was a an academic. He was
29:06established. Yeah.
29:07>> Imagine if you're a [ __ ] PhD student
29:09and you're like, I think you guys are
29:11wrong. Well, you're [ __ ] forever. You
29:13know, I used to work in corporate
29:14America and there were a lot of things
29:16that I thought that I absolutely never
29:19said. Right? So, if you think about
29:21these young archaeologists, even if they
29:23see something and they think, gosh, I
29:25wish that I could dive into that and
29:27really explore how old this is, they're
29:29going to get shut down immediately and
29:31their self-preservation mechanisms are
29:33going to kick in because they've got a
29:34paycheck. You know, you have to
29:36sympathize with the situation that
29:38they're in.
29:38>> Oh, I do. I completely do. Look, we've
29:40all worked for shitty bosses. It's a
29:42terrible position to be in
29:44>> and especially if your shitty boss is in
29:46charge of the distribution of
29:49>> information about the history of the
29:50human race. That is crazy. That is crazy
29:53to get ego involved in that.
29:54>> I know
29:55>> because when you see like the attacks on
29:57guys like Graham Hancock and all these
29:59people that propose that this data that
30:02we should look at that just like there's
30:04there's a bunch of data that confounds
30:06the timeline like it it [ __ ] it
30:09completely up. Yeah. when Gob Beckley
30:11came along and then everybody was like,
30:13"Okay, we're in a we have a problem. We
30:15have an 11,000 plus year old structure
30:18for sure. It was purposely buried 11,000
30:21plus years ago." So, how old is it? It's
30:24at least 11,000 years old. That doesn't
30:26make any sense cuz timeline of
30:27civilization, it's supposed to be 6,000
30:28years ago. So, now we have immense stone
30:31structures with 3D carvings that are in
30:33concentric circles. That's 5,000 years
30:36older than that. Okay, these are hunter
30:38gatherers. They were just [ __ ] that
30:41in their spare time from killing
30:43antelopes, they decided they were going
30:45to build immense structures on the top
30:47of a hill.
30:48>> Well, and don't you find it interesting
30:49that the dating of Gobeclet has not
30:52opened the door to redating other sites
30:55around the world. So, when you talk
30:56about the stuff in Egypt, nobody's
30:58really open to saying maybe this is
31:0010,000 years old. Should we look again?
31:02>> Right?
31:03>> You know, that that story has been
31:04written. There's been a period on it and
31:06it's been put to bed. Not only that,
31:08there's actual geological evidence. And
31:11this is where Robert Shock came into
31:12play. You know, I have had him on the
31:14podcast before, and I remember watching
31:16that documentary on the mysteries of the
31:18Sphinx, and he proposed that there's
31:21water erosion on the outside of the
31:22Temple of the Sphinx. And he he's taken
31:26photos of that erosion and brought it to
31:28other geologists and said, "What do you
31:30think this is?" And they said, "Well,
31:31that's water erosion." And then he shows
31:33them where it came from. They I don't
31:35want to have nothing to do with this.
31:36>> Yeah.
31:37Just kidding. It's the wind.
31:38>> Crazy. Which is crazy. Imagine the
31:41timeline of human history is so
31:43controversial that you're worried that
31:45it would ruin your career if you spoke
31:47accurately about your field of
31:49expertise, which is erosion and geology
31:52due to rainfall. Thousands of years of
31:55rainfall. Well, thousands of years of
31:56rainfall means at the very least the
31:59Sphinx is 9,000 years old.
32:00>> Yeah.
32:01>> At the very least. But that's probably
32:03way older than that because you have to
32:05have thousands of years of rainfall from
32:06the time that it was constructed
32:08constructed to make these kind of deep
32:10fissures into this stone
32:13>> and it was buried for much of its recent
32:14history which means there was not
32:16erosion taking place the entire time it
32:18was buried.
32:19>> Yeah. It the whole thing's nuts and the
32:21the wind and sand erosion that's an
32:23argument against that right because it
32:24was covered in sand.
32:25>> Yeah. And it, you know, if there was
32:28rain erosion like they're proposing, it
32:30had to have been when there was
32:31rainfall, significant rainfall in the
32:33Nile Valley. And that's way back 9,000
32:36years ago.
32:37>> A long time ago. Yep. And, you know, I
32:39guess it just it breaks my heart a
32:41little bit that this conversation gets
32:43shut down because if you think about
32:46think about 23 and me, right? the the
32:49number of people that have subscriptions
32:51to websites like that because they are
32:54extremely interested in where they came
32:56from and it opens up their world when
32:58they can see four generations back. It
33:01gives them you know people that that
33:03belong to these subscription services
33:05will say I finally have a sense of
33:06belonging. I kind of feel like I know
33:08where I came from. We as a humanity
33:11imagine if we actually knew where we
33:13came from. I think we would feel a lot
33:15less lost. I don't think it's sad. I
33:19think it's funny. I think it's just
33:21another example of just how funny people
33:23are, how we're so weird. We're so full
33:26of [ __ ] and we're we're we're just so
33:28filled with this desire to be correct
33:31and to enforce our narrative that we do
33:34it even with facts that are like
33:36significantly important for the entire
33:37world. And I think it's funny because it
33:40doesn't work because it's only opened
33:42the door to people like you and people
33:44like Derek and people like Graham
33:46Hancock and Ben Van Kirkwick and Jimmy
33:48Corsetti and all these people that Luke
33:50Caverns they just spend enormous amounts
33:52of time making this incredible content.
33:55>> Yeah.
33:55>> Like all the stuff that Luke has done in
33:57the Americas in South America like good
34:00lord there's so many mysteries. Like
34:03explain away Sakai Huan. Explain away
34:07those stones. Help me out. Help me out.
34:10Pe how people with no steel and no heavy
34:13machinery move these things into
34:16position. Move these 20 foot tall
34:19immense stones that are cut like jigsaw
34:21puzzles. It looks like they were melted
34:23into place.
34:24>> Yeah. It looks like a melted marshmallow
34:26stacked on top of a melted marshmallow.
34:28>> It's literally bananas. It makes no
34:31sense. And then you have the weirdness
34:32of these elongated heads that they find
34:35down there. These skulls that are
34:37absolutely real skulls. These are not
34:40hoaxes. They have a 30 20 to 30% larger
34:44brain capacity.
34:45>> Yep.
34:46>> In the skull.
34:47>> I have personally seen elongated skulls
34:49in four different countries.
34:51>> And it's not the same as skulls that
34:54were manipulated to be flattened. That's
34:56what's different. So, what people think
34:58about this, there's a a very well-known
35:01practice where they would take boards
35:03and put them on children's heads to
35:04elongate their heads. The question is
35:06why were they doing that?
35:08And were they trying to emulate
35:10something
35:10>> That's right.
35:11>> that existed, another type of person
35:14that was here. Well, it seems like it.
35:17And it seems like these skulls that they
35:19find, particularly in Peru, the bones
35:22are larger. It's a larger face and they
35:24have a larger brain capacity. And they
35:27don't have that sagittal ridge.
35:29>> Yep. The sagittal suture.
35:31>> Sagittal suture that's down the middle.
35:33>> So, they're literally a different kind
35:35of skull. It's clearly human or some
35:37form of human,
35:39>> but it has more brain volume and it's
35:42built different than us. And everybody's
35:44like,
35:46>> I don't see anything.
35:47>> Nope. They're not like, "Hey, maybe
35:49there was a completely different species
35:52of human that existed along with just
35:54like Dennisovvens, just like Neanderls,
35:56just like all these new ones that they
35:59keep finding fairly recently." Like the
36:02one they found in China, the big-headed
36:03man. What was it? What was that one
36:05called again? Julian's. Homo Julian's.
36:08>> This is like really recent. Like a few
36:10years ago, they found this. Like,
36:11>> okay, we we don't have the picture,
36:13guys. We just don't we don't have the
36:14full We don't have all the data. And
36:16when you have these [ __ ] big skulls
36:19and you're not even bringing that up, it
36:20makes me think like, are you afraid to
36:23look at this? Because then you have to
36:25admit that you really didn't know this
36:27and you were walking around saying
36:29you're an expert in the human timeline.
36:31>> Imagine some of the capabilities of of
36:35these people with that much more brain
36:37volume. Could they speak telepathically?
36:40Could they move stones with their minds,
36:43with sound? Right? We don't know what
36:45they were able to do. If you just unlock
36:48an additional 10% of your brain
36:50capacity, Joe Rogan's brain capacity.
36:52Think of what? Think of all of the
36:55connections you would make. Think about
36:56all of the things you could do that you
36:58can't do now. And now expand your brain
37:00volume by 30%. Exactly like
37:02>> the Bradley Cooper movie. Remember?
37:04>> Yes.
37:04>> Yeah. And he kept the same size head
37:06>> or the movie Lucy with Scarlett
37:08Johansson
37:09just unlocking her full brain. And
37:11suddenly she was moving things
37:13>> with her mind. Right. So, were these
37:16people able to do things that regular
37:18humans couldn't? And that's why they
37:20were emulated throughout history with
37:22cradle headboarding. They were the
37:24elite. They were maybe building some of
37:26these structures. Who knows? And if you
37:28are if you are just an average Joe in
37:31that community, you want to look like
37:33them, right? You all of us do it, right?
37:35>> Especially the elites of the time.
37:38>> Yeah.
37:39>> Especially the humans that you know were
37:41the kings and the pharaohs and all these
37:43different people. They wanted to have
37:44those heads.
37:45>> Mhm. Yep. There were some really
37:47interesting
37:48>> It sounds like we're crazy people,
37:50right? If I just tuned into this, it'd
37:52be like, "Oh, great. Another one of
37:53those [ __ ] Joe Rogan shows where
37:54he's talking to crazy people." But then
37:56you see, Jamie, pull up some of the
37:57images of those skulls. I know we've
37:59shown them a million times.
38:00>> I have a folder with skulls. I can show
38:01you some really interesting ones from
38:03England.
38:04>> Oh.
38:04>> That are on small bodies. So, it they
38:08almost look like fairies. And they have
38:10these giant skulls on these very small
38:12bodies. And it does make you think that
38:14probably had something to do with the
38:16mythology of fairies in in England. This
38:19was at Aberry, which is one of the big
38:20stone circles. When you walk into the
38:22museum there, there are these amazing
38:24anomalous elongated skulls on these very
38:27tiny little bodies.
38:29>> Wow.
38:30>> The other interesting thing about
38:31elongated skulls,
38:32>> are they children?
38:33>> Um, I don't think so. No. There's a
38:36woman named Maria Whitley who writes all
38:38about these skulls that she found that
38:40have been found all over England. Um,
38:43that's Egypt. Yeah, there it is.
38:46>> Yeah. So, this is England.
38:49This is one of the skulls, but this
38:50skull is very small, but if you look at
38:53the shape of it, you know, their their
38:56ears are in a different spot. They have
38:58huge eye sockets. Um, I have another
39:01photo where it's there's one still
39:03attached to a small body. Oh,
39:07look at the size of that head.
39:08>> Isn't [clears throat] that interesting?
39:09>> That's crazy.
39:10>> Now, this one may have been a child. I
39:12don't remember specifically which of
39:13these skulls.
39:14>> Even as a kid, that kid's going to be a
39:15football player. [laughter]
39:16>> He already has a helmet.
39:17>> Kid has a giant head,
39:19>> but it doesn't look right. It doesn't
39:21look right. Even like I have babies,
39:23>> they don't they don't have heads that
39:25big. That's crazy. Even when a baby's
39:26got a big head when they're little and
39:28they're they can barely hold their head
39:29up, it doesn't look like little
39:30bobbleheads.
39:31>> That's crazy. Another really interesting
39:33>> Look how far we I'm sorry, but look how
39:34far it goes behind the spine.
39:36>> And look how flat it is at the bottom in
39:38the back. Yes.
39:39>> I mean, imagine holding that head up.
39:42>> Well, that's the other weird thing about
39:44these um elongated skulls. The the part
39:47of the skull where it connects to the
39:50spine is in a different place.
39:52>> Yes. Which makes sense. Otherwise, you
39:54know, you or I guess you'd probably your
39:57head would fall backwards.
39:58>> Like look at these. Look at these that
40:00don't have that sagittal suture. That
40:02one that's closest to us. That is crazy.
40:05>> Yeah. So, that one's in Peru. I saw that
40:07one a couple months ago. It looks
40:09completely different than the skull
40:10right behind it.
40:11>> Right. It's like a different kind of
40:12person.
40:13>> Yes. Interestingly, in a lot of
40:16>> they have one on the side and they don't
40:18have the one down the middle.
40:20>> Yeah. There's another one that's labeled
40:22Malta and you can see the view of it
40:25from the top and you can see how it
40:26looks completely different than any of
40:28the other. So here's an interesting
40:30thing that I'm not sure you've talked
40:32much about Joe.
40:33>> Brain surgery.
40:34>> The holes in the back of these skulls,
40:35it's trepation. So it was a surgery that
40:38they
40:39>> that they see evidence of in lots and
40:41lots of ancient skulls. And the question
40:44becomes, so if you don't have a sagittal
40:47suture and your brain, you know, we have
40:51the our brain will fuse, right, as we
40:53grow.
40:54>> Sorry, but look at that. What it looks
40:56like, it looks like they used drills.
40:58>> Yeah.
40:59>> Doesn't it?
41:00>> Like they just drilled a circle around
41:01that dude's head.
41:02>> In a lot of instances, these people
41:04survived these surgeries.
41:07[sighs and gasps] The question becomes,
41:08why were they doing it?
41:09>> Whoa, look at that top one. Scoop out
41:11some brain, bro. That's crazy. Maybe
41:14they were trying to relieve pressure.
41:16>> Well, if your brain doesn't have all of
41:18the sutures that ours does and and your
41:22brain is fusing, there are some theories
41:24that suggest that these people were
41:26losing their uh connection with
41:29consciousness. So, they because their
41:31brains were so big, um they, you know, a
41:34lot of telepathy and things like that.
41:36So, if you if you cut a hole in a fused
41:39skull, you still have access, right? It
41:42it allows your allows you I guess more
41:46space in your skull to access what you
41:48use to access.
41:49>> So it's like relieving pressure in some
41:51way. This is the idea why they're doing
41:53this trepation.
41:54>> May I you know I think it's
41:55>> we had a woman on who did trepidation to
41:56herself.
41:57>> Oh my gosh. I've read about her.
41:59>> Yeah. [laughter] Is she still alive?
42:01They were doing labbotoies until pretty
42:03recently. I know like what this is.
42:05[laughter]
42:06>> Yeah. Right. When
42:07>> we knew better.
42:08>> Is she still alive Jamie? I think she
42:10might have passed recently.
42:11>> And and her motivation for that, was it
42:14not for consciousness?
42:16>> Yes.
42:17>> Yeah,
42:17>> she was out there.
42:19>> But isn't it interesting?
42:20>> Lovely lady. Lovely lady, but she was
42:23out there.
42:23>> Yeah.
42:25>> That lady had been on some trips. She
42:27She had been to other dimensions many,
42:29many, many, many times.
42:31>> She passed away about a year ago.
42:32>> Yeah.
42:32>> Yeah. So, a sweet lady, too. She was so
42:34kind.
42:35>> It begs the question, what was the
42:36motivation for doing that in these
42:38ancient She described it in very glowing
42:41terms.
42:42>> The experience of trepation when she did
42:45she did it to herself. So there's a
42:47photo of her. Isn't there like a is
42:48there a video of her doing it?
42:51>> I know there's photos of the actual
42:53procedure of her drilling a hole in her
42:54head. Like yo,
42:57>> it must be quite a sense of relief,
42:59though.
43:00>> I don't know.
43:00>> Your brain's no longer locked in your
43:01skull.
43:02>> I mean, is that really what it is? I
43:03don't want to find out. But I mean, I
43:05know people that have had to have brain
43:07surgery because they had brain bleeding.
43:09Yeah, there it is.
43:09>> Oh my gosh.
43:11>> They just drilled a hole. Looks like
43:12they use a stick. What the hell?
43:14>> Okay. I think she did it.
43:15>> What is she using?
43:17>> Is she doing it to herself?
43:18>> Yes.
43:19>> No,
43:20>> it's the only way. If you really want to
43:22achieve one with chakras or some [ __ ]
43:24[laughter]
43:26>> you're probably not going to get a
43:27doctor to sign up for that.
43:28>> Jamie, can you find uh there's some
43:30images of those elongated skulls.
43:31There's a few really spectacular ones
43:33that we pulled up the other day and one
43:35of them is like the the sagittal suture
43:38is completely missing and it's it's so
43:40big and you're looking at it like,
43:42"Okay, this is a real skull in a
43:43museum." Like, help me out. Help me out,
43:47anatomy experts. Why does it why does it
43:50not have the features of a normal human
43:52skull? And why is it so big? Like,
43:55>> this seems completely insane.
43:57>> The AI told me why, but I don't know if
43:58that's
43:59>> Yeah, shut it AI.
44:01That's a That's a a bunch of [ __ ]
44:04Archaeologists got an AI and wrote
44:06>> I just thought bad articles
44:07>> when I saw that one with the the little
44:08kid or the small thing with the big back
44:11of the dome.
44:12>> Aren't there or could that be explained
44:14by just like a a random
44:15>> anomaly? Yeah, for sure.
44:17>> Yeah, it depends on how many there are.
44:19But go to the images of those uh those
44:21skulls so we could see that crazy one.
44:23>> I don't know why Google just changed and
44:25there's no longer
44:25>> they don't like you anymore.
44:26>> No, like the whole website has changed.
44:27They hate you.
44:28>> I noticed it yesterday. You can't.
44:30>> Oh, yeah. That is weird. You're being
44:31sabotaged.
44:32>> Oh, because they're trying to get you to
44:33use AI.
44:33>> Yeah, it's all gone.
44:34>> Oh, that's so gross. Just write images.
44:39>> Yeah. See, now now they'll show you.
44:40Okay. So, it's the one on the far left
44:43upper corner. It's right below it.
44:45Sorry. There you go. That's it. That's
44:47the one.
44:48>> Look at the eyes.
44:49>> Yeah. The whole thing is nuts. That the
44:51fact that that is a real skull. It
44:53should freak everyone out. That no one
44:56is that this isn't in the front page of
44:57the New York Times. that this isn't
44:59something that everyone's investigating.
45:02Like, this is not a physical anomaly.
45:05This is a completely different skull.
45:07That's not a regular human skull at all.
45:10The capacity is so much larger. You
45:13cannot explain that by headboarding. You
45:15cannot explain the size of the [ __ ]
45:17eye sockets is crazy. You imagine
45:20looking into something. Who's that one
45:21lady that has crazy big eyes? She's an
45:23actress. Do you know what I'm talking
45:25about, Jamie? She's really pretty. No,
45:26but I've seen this big giant eyes pop
45:28out of their head.
45:29>> I I've seen that, too. But but that's
45:31But they're not that big. The point is
45:33like those eyes would be [ __ ]
45:35enormous. Like if that person was in
45:38front of you and they had skin on with
45:40with those eye sockets and that head,
45:42you'd be like, "Yo, [laughter]
45:44>> you know, I want you to meet my friend
45:46Mike." They'd be like, "What the [ __ ]
45:47That is not what it looks like. That
45:48that drawing that drawing is way too
45:51normal.
45:51>> That head's way bigger than that, too,
45:53by the way.
45:53>> And the eyes are nothing
45:55>> nothing like it. They're not even in the
45:56same place. Like those eyes are in a
45:58different place. Like those eyes those
45:59eyes are in a nutty place.
46:01>> I mean that that image on the right, the
46:03the woman that could be what they looked
46:06like if they were cradle head borders.
46:07>> Yes. And her face looks flattened, too.
46:09Like the whole thing looks which is such
46:11a gross thing that they did to try to
46:13emulate these people.
46:14>> Imagine tying a baby up on a board and
46:16telling it to stay.
46:17>> Look at that. Skull was
46:18>> Look at that one. Uh to the left, Jamie.
46:21Left. Right below that. Yeah, that one.
46:23Look at that one. What the hell is that?
46:25with the trepation.
46:26>> Yeah, but help me out. Tell me that's a
46:28person. Help me out. That is not just an
46:32elongated skull. That's crazy. That's
46:35not
46:35>> I wonder if that's a real photo.
46:37>> I know. Well, almost a potential plaster
46:39even
46:41make this stuff.
46:42>> That is true. That is true. People
46:44>> that came out in Sasquatch organization.
46:46>> Well, that's a reputable source.
46:47>> I don't.
46:48>> They are the best Sasquatch
46:49organization.
46:49>> I try not to judge all of those. I'm
46:50just clicking the photo, but
46:52>> they [snorts] have all the real
46:53information. There's a lot of
46:54misinformation in the Sasquatch
46:55community.
46:56>> Oh, yes.
46:57>> Um, but that is the only place that
46:59shows up. [laughter]
47:01>> Um, there's got to be other ones. Well,
47:03that that one in the middle in the top
47:05on the left. Yeah, right there. Click on
47:07that. Look at those three. Like, come
47:09on.
47:09>> That almost Yeah,
47:10>> it's still the same one. Those all the
47:11same one or these
47:12>> from different angles.
47:13>> Well, the one in the middle looks
47:14different than the one on the left.
47:16>> Definitely.
47:17>> Look at the recreation below, though. At
47:19least his eyes are big. He looked
47:20>> like Okay, that's a good one. That's a
47:23good that's a good representation what
47:24those people those people tell me that
47:26dude can't read your mind
47:28>> dude on the left he comes up to you with
47:29those beads on like
47:31>> I'll do whatever you say
47:32>> you're like okay I guess we're
47:34communicating with the mother ship
47:36[laughter]
47:37>> like look at the size of his head please
47:39go back to that image again
47:41>> hair
47:41>> yeah that's is that real
47:43>> yeah and most of the hair on these
47:45elongated skulls is red
47:47>> oh that's so wild that's so crazy um go
47:50back to that last image please where she
47:52you see the dude like that guy. Imagine
47:55running into that guy at a at a Mayan
47:57temple. You'd be like, "Oh, Christ,
47:59they're real."
48:01>> 100%.
48:02>> Like that's a different kind of person.
48:05>> Like that seems the eyes are [ __ ]
48:07massive. That seems like a totally
48:10different kind of person.
48:11>> Yes.
48:12>> You know,
48:12>> who has very different abilities than
48:14the average human.
48:15>> Yes. I mean, if the brain is what
48:19differentiates us from all the other
48:21intelligent animals on this planet, and
48:22a a human, it looks just like a human
48:25but different, has a brain that much
48:27bigger than ours. What is that?
48:30>> That's a real thing, folks. This is
48:31these We're not making this up. These
48:33[ __ ] skulls are real. That's crazy.
48:37>> Yep.
48:37>> That is crazy that there was a person
48:39like that. The only museum I've been to
48:41in the world that has any sign that
48:44indicates it may have been alien is
48:46Malta. When you walk into the museum in
48:48Malta, it actually has a poster that
48:51talks about the the lack of the sagittal
48:53suture. It has a picture of an alien on
48:55it.
48:55>> Really?
48:57>> Wow.
48:57>> And they leave their skulls out. A lot
48:59of these museums, especially the ones in
49:01southern Peru, they've sort of tucked
49:03them away. They've put them in dark
49:04cases so it's harder to take pictures of
49:06them. You can't. They're not out there
49:08in the open where it's easy to pop
49:10around it.
49:11>> They're probably worried about them
49:13getting stolen, too.
49:15>> That this There's an issue that I've
49:16been informed about with uh ancient
49:19artifacts that there's a whole
49:21underground market where really wealthy
49:23people like want to buy like Egyptian
49:26artifacts. And there's a lot of scandals
49:29involved with a lot of these people that
49:31are in charge of these artifacts where
49:33artifacts go missing and people get rich
49:37and you know they sell books that nobody
49:39buys and all a sudden they have a
49:40mansion, you know. [laughter]
49:41>> Yep. Yep.
49:42>> Yeah. And if you're if you're on a
49:44government salary and you can slip one
49:45of these voses away
49:47>> and sell it, you're going to make a lot
49:48more money than you're going to make in
49:49the working for the government.
49:50>> Not just voses, but even skeletons.
49:53There's evidence of skeletons going
49:55missing. Yep. skeletons they found in a
49:57sarcophagus and then all of a sudden
49:59they said, "Nope, there's no skeleton."
50:00And then there's clearly documentation
50:02that they found a skeleton that leads
50:05back decades ago and then today they're
50:07saying, "No, no skeletons." Like,
50:09>> where's the skeleton?
50:11>> Nothing to see here.
50:12>> Yeah. And some of that that's the weird
50:14thing is like some of these these skulls
50:17that they find, if you could find the
50:19entire skeleton, you would imagine that
50:21is a very big person. These are not
50:24normalsized people. Like whatever the
50:27structure that's, unless they have an
50:30enormous head and a little tiny body, if
50:32they have a proportionate head to their
50:34body, you're looking at a seven, eight
50:36foot tall person. This is a huge head.
50:39>> Yeah. And there's giant lore all over
50:40the world in every ancient civilization.
50:42>> And in [clears throat] the [ __ ]
50:43Bible,
50:44>> I don't believe that that's imaginary.
50:46And I don't believe it's myths. I think
50:48that it's remembering.
50:50>> Yeah, I think it is, too. I I think
50:52there's probably a different version of
50:54people that existed.
50:56And uh I think the real problem is we'll
50:59we're dealing with the fossil record.
51:01And the reality of biological life is
51:04neither you nor I is very likely to
51:06leave behind a fossil. Yep.
51:07>> So a thousand years from now, no one's
51:09going to know who you were and no one's
51:11going to know who I was. And they're
51:12they're not going to be able to tell
51:13from our bones. You're not going to find
51:15them. Yeah.
51:16>> They're going to be absorbed by the
51:17ground and that's a wrap. And in order
51:20to get a fossil, a very specific set of
51:23circumstances has to take place.
51:24>> Yeah.
51:25>> And so, you know, we're lucky that we
51:26have some skulls. We're lucky and
51:28there's, you know, a thousand years old,
51:292,000 years old, however old they are.
51:32But you get back to 10, 11, 12,000 years
51:35ago, 15,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago.
51:37Good luck.
51:38>> There's nothing left.
51:39>> Good luck. Unless you're finding it in
51:41the perafrost, like in Alaska, like my
51:44friend John Reeves, he has that place,
51:45the Boneyard in Alaska. He's the best.
51:48That's so cool.
51:49>> Love that. That place is crazy.
51:51>> Have you been?
51:52>> No. He keeps trying to get me to go out
51:53there, and I I will eventually. I
51:54promise. But, um, the spot is absolutely
51:58bananas. He's finding all kinds of
52:00insane things out there, including
52:01animals that aren't even supposed to
52:02have existed in that area. So, they're
52:04rewriting the idea of like what was
52:07alive, like what what animals were
52:09alive, different cats and different
52:10bears.
52:11>> Yeah. [sighs]
52:12[gasps]
52:13>> Like, we don't know that much. We're
52:15we're basing like think about all we
52:17know about the dinosaurs. It's amazing
52:18how much work they've done. It's amazing
52:20how many dinosaurs they've documented.
52:22>> But if you look at the amount of
52:24dinosaurs that actually lived over the
52:28>> hundreds of millions of years, hundreds
52:29of millions of years that dinosaurs roam
52:31the earth, there's a tiny tiny tiny
52:33fraction, a tiny fraction of these
52:36dinosaurs that we find that are
52:38fossilized. Yep.
52:39>> Most of them are gone forever, including
52:41who knows how many species that we're
52:42completely unaware of. we have no
52:44evidence of whatsoever. Now, think about
52:47an intelligent species that probably
52:49buried their dead like we do or maybe
52:51even burned them. You know, we don't
52:53know what they did. Or, you know, maybe
52:54they were even more enlightened. They
52:56did the Tibetan sky funeral where they
52:58let themselves get eaten by vultures.
53:00>> You're not going to find anything,
53:01>> right? No, you're you're absolutely
53:04right. I It feels like people should be
53:08just maybe a little bit more open to our
53:10past.
53:11>> I think people are. I think the problem
53:13is some of these, and I say some, it's
53:15only some of these academics.
53:16>> Yeah.
53:17>> There's a lot of people that are
53:18deviating from that now. And again, it's
53:19a lot of young people,
53:20>> you know, like guys like Michael Button,
53:22do you know who he is? He's great. He
53:24went to school, got a degree, and was
53:26like, I think there's more to this, and
53:28I think I could do a better job doing a
53:30YouTube channel where I just research
53:32these things thoroughly and provide you
53:34with a very balanced perspective on how
53:37crazy all this stuff is and how none of
53:39this really makes sense if you use the
53:41conventional timeline.
53:43>> Yep. And people are hungry for that
53:45information.
53:46>> Yeah, I am. It's I'm obsessed. Thank
53:48goodness that the internet has
53:49democratized it so people people like me
53:52can get on there and put a video on and
53:53just see what people think.
53:55>> And you really learn a lot when you see
53:57people like you get attacked, you know,
53:59and people like you Jimmy Corsetti and
54:01all these people like they go after
54:03people so hard
54:04>> and they always take the same lot. They
54:06always take
54:06>> It's always racism.
54:07>> It's racism. Exactly. That's what I was
54:08going to say. Which is so crazy because
54:09no one's attributing the Indian temples
54:11to anything other than Indians,
54:13>> right?
54:13>> Like it's not racist. It's just saying
54:15I'm saying Indians from like a long ass
54:17time ago. It's the same people. They
54:19>> It's something to be even more proud of.
54:20>> Yes. Yeah. It's It's crazy. Like no one
54:23is saying that the people in Peru,
54:26humans in Peru, didn't make that stuff.
54:27No one No one's saying that, right?
54:29>> That's exactly what we're saying. Yep.
54:30>> We're But what we're saying is probably
54:32the people in Peru were incredibly
54:34sophisticated before the flood.
54:36>> Yeah.
54:36>> That's probably what it was.
54:37>> Egypt, it doesn't make any sense that
54:39they're shutting that down. it to extend
54:41your timeline if you're able to to
54:4320,000 years ago. That's twice as much
54:46to be proud of. [laughter]
54:47>> Right.
54:48>> Right. But it's it's just the academics
54:50who have like firmly stamped 2500 BC.
54:53Bam. This is this is what we know and
54:55we're going to stick with it. Yeah.
54:57>> Despite all the hard evidence, like the
54:59geological evidence disputing that is
55:02really weird
55:03>> because like look guys, rain does a very
55:06specific thing to stone over thousands
55:08of years. This is hard evidence
55:09>> right there.
55:10>> Yeah,
55:10>> that's right there. And you don't really
55:12know when it was built. You're just
55:14guessing. But this isn't really much of
55:16a guess. This is actual evidence.
55:17>> Yeah.
55:18>> And for them to not even consider that
55:20and to just dismiss them and just lucky
55:22that guys like Robert Chuck had tenure.
55:24>> And lucky that also that he wasn't an
55:26archaeologist. He's a geologist. And
55:28what are they going to fault him for his
55:29methods, the way he did it, what he
55:31said? No, you can't really because it's
55:33pretty rock solid. We should be leaning
55:36on these geologists and saying, "What do
55:38you see?" and then informing our
55:40theories based on what they're saying.
55:42>> Yeah.
55:42>> Not the other way around.
55:43>> Ben Van Kirkwick has done amazing work
55:45on some of the erosion that's around uh
55:48some of the the the pyramids and some of
55:51the bases of some of the structures
55:52around the pyramid and that it seems
55:54like there's many levels of construction
55:56and that the oldest oldest stuff has a
55:58preposterous amount of erosion. Like
56:00insane amount of erosion.
56:02>> Absolutely.
56:03>> Yeah.
56:03>> Yep. I mean even in so I've spent a lot
56:06of time researching Cambodia.
56:09If you look at the so there are eight
56:11different pyramids in the immediate
56:13[clears throat] anchor watt area and
56:15these pyramids are massive and when you
56:18when you walk up to them you can see how
56:21incredibly ancient they are and the the
56:24dating on these pyramids are you know
56:26900 AD to 1300 AD. So, not very old the
56:30official dating, but when you stare at
56:33the stones, you can see the same thing
56:34you see in Egypt. You see just ancient
56:37weathering patterns down the sides of
56:38them. You can see how the whole site has
56:41been rebuilt and they don't talk about
56:43it, right? So, the entire history of
56:45Cambodia, nobody nobody is open at all
56:48to exploring that it might be older than
56:50800 AD.
56:51>> Let's look at some photos of Ankor Watt
56:54because it's another incredibly bizarre
56:56place. And um when people use the
56:59conventional timeline to date it, it's
57:02not it's amazing and it's beautiful, but
57:05it's not as crazy when you really if if
57:08if you take into consideration that no
57:11one really knows when it was built and
57:15the possibility that it's actually
57:1611,000 years old, 12,000 years old,
57:19maybe even older,
57:21>> it almost kind of makes sense.
57:24Have you done
57:25>> because it would look just like that?
57:27>> Yeah. And the the temples or the towers
57:30inside the core of Ankorwatt, in my
57:32personal opinion, the core of Anchorwad,
57:35it's got three different layers. The
57:37core, I think, is extremely old. It's
57:39got these five central towers. They look
57:42almost melted. So, you can see the five
57:44in the middle. As you move out by each
57:47layer, all of the iconography in
57:50Anchorwatt changes. So in the center
57:52it's all um deities, it's religious
57:55symbolism. As you move out it becomes
57:57war scenes and elephants and battles,
58:00right? So you can see where each
58:01successive culture has built on to the
58:04outside of Anchorwatt.
58:06But the core of it, it it looks
58:08enormously old.
58:10>> And let's get some photos of the core of
58:12it.
58:13>> Have you ever have you ever discussed
58:16the LAR findings around anchor watt?
58:19>> I have not. [clears throat]
58:20Jamie, I have some photos in my Cambodia
58:23folder.
58:23>> Trying to dance the line of looking at
58:25these before I switch over to your
58:27stuff.
58:27>> God, look how beautiful that is.
58:30>> Look how the the trees roots are growed
58:32all around it.
58:33>> Cambodia is one of the most special
58:35places on this earth.
58:38>> Imagine what that was like during its
58:40prime.
58:40>> Oh,
58:43>> that's the Bon Temple.
58:45>> The temple with 218 faces.
58:48Wow.
58:50>> Enormous faces.
58:51>> So, uh, are those is that like those are
58:54clearly different stones brought in.
58:55>> Yeah, they're individual stones
58:57>> to compare to the other stuff we've seen
58:58where it's not that correct.
59:00>> Yeah. Very different. Very different
59:02kind of construction. Yeah.
59:03>> I'll show you the light.
59:04>> Spectacular, but maybe makes more sense
59:06than like Kyasa.
59:08>> In 2012, that's a great photo, Jamie.
59:10>> In 2012, [clears throat]
59:12they did a LAR survey in Cambodia. And
59:16what they discovered in Cambodia
59:18completely shocked the world. So you can
59:21see Ankorwatt in this photo is right in
59:24the middle of that giant moat. There
59:26were huge moundfields all around
59:30Ankorwatt inside this moat and outside
59:32of Anchorwatt. And then if you go south
59:35of it, you can see these giant spiral
59:37embankments. If you just zoom out a tiny
59:40bit, Jamie, do you see those spirals in
59:42the bottom left side of the screen?
59:44>> Mhm. Those are from one side to the
59:47other. They're a mile long.
59:51>> Yeah. So, these are the geometric
59:52features at Anchor Watt.
59:54>> And these are hidden from the nicot.
59:56>> Yes. They're under the jungle canopy.
59:59Nobody knew that these were there until
1:00:012012 when the LAR results came out.
1:00:04>> Holy [ __ ]
1:00:05>> There are mound fields that are a mile.
1:00:08This particular moundfield is a mile
1:00:10long. It's got it's a 10x10 moundfield.
1:00:13And these mounds are enormous. They're
1:00:15like 30 feet across. And there's no
1:00:18explanation at all for what these are.
1:00:23>> And they didn't even know they existed.
1:00:24>> They didn't even know they existed. So
1:00:27this is Anchorwatt from the air. Very,
1:00:29very interesting. That western beret
1:00:31where you see, that's a man-made, it's
1:00:34the largest hand cut reservoir on Earth.
1:00:37It's 8 kilometers long and 2 km wide. So
1:00:41you can see the old CMRE International
1:00:43Airport just south of it. That's the
1:00:46size of this thing. It is enormous. The
1:00:49official archaeological story of these
1:00:52berets is that they were uh hand dug and
1:00:56that they were used to water rice.
1:00:59[laughter]
1:01:00There's one on the left side. That's a
1:01:02western beret. There's an equally large
1:01:04one on the east side. So there are two
1:01:06of them that are 8 kilometers long on
1:01:09each side. two kilometers wide. Just an
1:01:12enormous volume of dirt would have had
1:01:14to have been removed to create these.
1:01:17And there's no discussion at all about
1:01:19what they were for, how they were made.
1:01:22They're just attributed to different
1:01:23kings based on inscriptions found in the
1:01:25corners of these sites.
1:01:27So, if you want to talk about mysteries,
1:01:31in my humble opinion, Cambodia is one of
1:01:34the most mysterious places on Earth.
1:01:37What did they how old do they think this
1:01:40reservoir is?
1:01:41>> Uh like 900 AD. So not old at all. And
1:01:46there's no explanation for how it was
1:01:48done. Just to excavate the western beret
1:01:51is the equivalent of 53 Giza sized
1:01:54pyramids of dirt moved out of it. So
1:01:58this is it today. You can see there's a
1:02:00temple in the middle of it.
1:02:02>> That's so big. That's so crazy that they
1:02:05they supposedly dug that out by hand.
1:02:07>> You can see this from space. NASA's
1:02:09taking photos of it before.
1:02:12>> There's no explanation for for what they
1:02:14were doing there.
1:02:15>> What is the images of the pyramids up in
1:02:17the corner?
1:02:18>> That's the 50. Yeah, that's the
1:02:20equivalent. So 138 million cubic meters
1:02:22of dirt to dig that out.
1:02:24>> How deep is it?
1:02:25>> It's, you know, five or 10 meters deep.
1:02:29Um, and I I believe that they, you know,
1:02:32they dug out the inside and then they
1:02:33built these large walls, you know,
1:02:35retaining walls on the outside. So, I
1:02:37don't think that there's huge piles of
1:02:38dirt somewhere. I think that's, you
1:02:40know, it was just deepened and then they
1:02:42built the walls around them to retain
1:02:43them. But there's a lot of really uh
1:02:46interesting complex things going on with
1:02:48these berets.
1:02:51>> Uh, this reminds me of I'd had
1:02:53Perplexity dig up something on the Kiosa
1:02:55Temple.
1:02:56>> Yeah.
1:02:57>> Uh, let me find it here. it
1:03:00>> I was it was just going into like um is
1:03:03the ability of what do you know how many
1:03:05people they thought made it I guess I'll
1:03:07ask you that first do you know how they
1:03:09the conventional method they said 250
1:03:12people made it over five and a half
1:03:14years
1:03:15[laughter]
1:03:18>> the problem with that is uh it started
1:03:20to
1:03:20>> I like to hire those dudes [laughter]
1:03:22>> it started to tell me like that's kind
1:03:23of like okay but then it started to get
1:03:26I was like actually the hardest part
1:03:27with this is going to be removing all of
1:03:29that rock.
1:03:30>> Yeah.
1:03:30>> Like where not they couldn't didn't say
1:03:33like where is it but it just was going
1:03:34into the math. This is all the the
1:03:36perplexity did. It's all this math on
1:03:40um
1:03:40>> this is Kyasa.
1:03:41>> Yeah.
1:03:42>> The amount of stone that can be removed
1:03:44every day.
1:03:45>> And it just it [clears throat] would
1:03:46have taken it is even just the 250
1:03:48people is a fourth of the potential uh
1:03:53the number they tried to destroy it with
1:03:55for three years. [laughter]
1:03:58And it has the same tools. I guess they
1:03:59just said it had some sort of metal.
1:04:01This says five and a half years.
1:04:02>> They tried to destroy it for three
1:04:04years. Just quit.
1:04:06>> Really frustrating. Three years.
1:04:07>> A thousand guys tried to destroy it for
1:04:103 years. You imagine that. [laughter]
1:04:13>> That is crazy.
1:04:14>> It was 100 and it's just exaggerated,
1:04:16you know? They couldn't do anything.
1:04:18>> That's really crazy.
1:04:19>> Some you know how mad that king was.
1:04:21He's like, just destroy it. [laughter]
1:04:24>> Imagine what a dick he must have been.
1:04:25>> Oh, yeah. to want to destroy that.
1:04:27[clears throat] That's the problem with
1:04:28kings.
1:04:29>> It's the problem with kings.
1:04:30>> Good lord, that's wild.
1:04:32>> So, yeah, [clears throat] the c Cambodia
1:04:34is incredibly mysterious and nobody
1:04:37talks about Cambodia.
1:04:39>> Would you like some coffee?
1:04:40>> Um, sure. Thank you. You're
1:04:42>> welcome. So, how did you get involved in
1:04:44Cambodia? How did you uh What was the
1:04:47first thing that you looked at?
1:04:48>> I went there for the first time three
1:04:51years ago. Um, it was a quick stopover.
1:04:53We were getting ready to uh hike the
1:04:56Sandong Cave in Vietnam, you know, the
1:04:58largest cave in the world.
1:04:59>> I saw that on 60 Minutes.
1:05:00>> Yeah. So, we we had that trip planned
1:05:02and I said, "Well, Cambodia is right
1:05:03next door. Maybe we should just pop over
1:05:05there for a week." So, we did. And, you
1:05:08know, walking on these sites, it's the
1:05:10same thing I was talking about earlier.
1:05:12You I like to hire local guides just to
1:05:14hear what's the story that that they're
1:05:17telling you, what is the official
1:05:19history? And the story that they told me
1:05:22just it doesn't match what you see with
1:05:24your own eyes. Right? So they say that
1:05:26the earliest civilizations there built
1:05:28in brick and then they built with stone.
1:05:31Over time they developed the ability to
1:05:33build with stone. But all of the brick
1:05:35is on top of the stone. It's on top of
1:05:37these massive pyramids, right? So it
1:05:39doesn't it doesn't make sense that the
1:05:41oldest stuff is at the top. So I started
1:05:44sort of questioning the history of
1:05:46Cambodia. I got into these LAR results
1:05:49which are really fascinating. I mean
1:05:50they discovered entire unknown cities in
1:05:54Cambodia with LAR. So on top of the
1:05:57Cooland Mountains which is the plateau
1:05:59where they uh quarry all of the stone
1:06:02for anchor wad all the sandstone there
1:06:04was an entire massive city on top of
1:06:07that plateau that they had no idea was
1:06:09there. There were pyramids there were uh
1:06:132,000 acre reservoirs. There were mound
1:06:16fields, there were, you know, massive
1:06:19causeways, and it was all just hidden
1:06:21under the uh the trees, the jungle. So,
1:06:25it's, you know, in 2012, sort of the cat
1:06:28was out of the bag in Cambodia. And
1:06:30what's interesting is it should have
1:06:32made international headlines. You know,
1:06:34these spiral embankments that are a mile
1:06:36long on the south side of Ankorwatt,
1:06:38nobody knows what they are. Nobody has a
1:06:41good explanation for what they are.
1:06:42archaeologists say, you know, maybe it
1:06:44was a garden feature, maybe it was
1:06:48fishing. And in my mind, you don't build
1:06:52milelong earthn embankments in a shape
1:06:55of a perfect spiral unless you have a
1:06:57very specific reason for doing that.
1:07:00>> What do you think that reason was?
1:07:02>> I don't know. I, you know, I'm starting
1:07:04to put together a theory about I I think
1:07:07it all had to do with water. They were
1:07:10channeling water down from the Cooland
1:07:12Mountains, which is about 50 miles away
1:07:14from Ankor Watt. They were channeling
1:07:16water down, building 16 kilometer
1:07:19diversion channels, taking the water way
1:07:22out of the way, running them through
1:07:25moundfields into these giant reservoirs.
1:07:28All of these reservoirs have pyramids
1:07:30connected to them.
1:07:32And it's one system after another of
1:07:35reservoirs with temples in the middle,
1:07:36pyramids connected to the outside. It
1:07:39feels like a massive industrial
1:07:42undertaking and I've gone back and
1:07:44forth. Does it have to do with energy?
1:07:47Possibly. I personally think it had
1:07:50something to do with
1:07:52how they were treating the water. Like
1:07:54if they could um if they could get it
1:07:58structured maybe right so that it was
1:08:02better for plants, better for people,
1:08:03better for animals, better for
1:08:04consciousness. There was a massive
1:08:07undertaking happening there that um that
1:08:10just isn't addressed at all by
1:08:11archaeologists. Nobody's tying together
1:08:13these different systems and saying,
1:08:15"Gosh, that was a monumental
1:08:16undertaking. I wonder what they were
1:08:18doing that for. It's all just rice
1:08:20farming is the official story."
1:08:22>> Can you show me that lidar image again?
1:08:24>> I'm looking for There's I'm looking for
1:08:26more. I keep running into just the
1:08:27scientific papers about it.
1:08:29>> They have the LAR images locked away.
1:08:32Yeah, they've done a bunch of studies on
1:08:34this and there's some cool photos, but
1:08:35I'm trying to find like, you know,
1:08:37>> Can you go back to the ones that we were
1:08:38just looking at though that she provided
1:08:40because I want to see the um the the
1:08:43patterns.
1:08:44>> Yeah.
1:08:44>> Yeah. That
1:08:45>> Okay, that perfect. Like, so those
1:08:48features are weird.
1:08:50>> That's really weird.
1:08:51>> They're huge. They're a mile long and
1:08:53half a mile wide. Like that yellow
1:08:55square.
1:08:56>> And they're symmetrical.
1:08:57>> And they're perfectly symmetrical.
1:09:00And this isn't the only place in
1:09:01Cambodia that has these.
1:09:03>> And so we're probably looking at an
1:09:06intensely sophisticated civilization.
1:09:10>> Yes, absolutely. I mean, the the moat
1:09:13you see dug in the middle of that
1:09:15structure that was built built during
1:09:18the Camar period, which is the
1:09:20civilization that all of this is being
1:09:21attributed to. They're the ones that dug
1:09:23that through the middle. So, I don't
1:09:25even think they knew that this was here.
1:09:28It was just completely covered.
1:09:29>> Yeah, they they just dug right through
1:09:31the middle of it.
1:09:32>> And so this is probably really really
1:09:34old. And people have lived in that same
1:09:36place. Look how crazy that looks.
1:09:40>> That's almost crazy.
1:09:42>> Every inch of ancient Cambodia is
1:09:44engineered.
1:09:46There's a there's a site called Karee.
1:09:48It's about 200 miles northeast of
1:09:51Ankorwat.
1:09:52They discovered a 7 kilometer long
1:09:55man-made dam that created a 2,000 acre
1:09:58reservoir.
1:09:59>> Look at that image.
1:10:00>> That's hers.
1:10:01>> Yeah. They they didn't know that this
1:10:03was there.
1:10:04>> That's crazy.
1:10:05>> I was on a tour with Derek Olsen um last
1:10:09last November and we actually took the
1:10:11tour group out to the corner of
1:10:13Ankorwatt and walked those mounds. And
1:10:16what's interesting is when you're out
1:10:17there, you actually can't tell that the
1:10:19mounds are there until you're kind of on
1:10:21top of them. And then you look around
1:10:22and you're like, "Wow, I'm feet above
1:10:24the rest of the landscape." And then you
1:10:26kind of keep walking because these
1:10:27things are 30 feet across. So you keep
1:10:29walking and then suddenly you're at the
1:10:30bottom of the landscape. So I don't
1:10:32think that they knew it was there.
1:10:34>> Wow. It's so big that without light art,
1:10:37you're really not going to get an
1:10:38understanding.
1:10:39>> So what it is that picture um Yeah.
1:10:42Yeah. So, there's a good example of the
1:10:44jungle canopy being kind of stripped
1:10:45away. This is what it looks like from
1:10:47the air.
1:10:47>> Wow.
1:10:48>> Without light.
1:10:49>> Wow. So, there's no way you would know.
1:10:50>> No.
1:10:52>> Wow.
1:10:53>> Entire cities, 7 km long dams, huge
1:10:57reservoirs. They didn't know about any
1:10:59of this until LAR came out.
1:11:03>> That's incredible.
1:11:04>> Also, look how the trees are just
1:11:05growing back in.
1:11:06>> That's so dope.
1:11:07>> Look how awesome those roots look.
1:11:09>> Yeah, that's the Laura Croft Temple.
1:11:11It's called Tapron. Oh, really? Yeah.
1:11:13She filmed. Laura Croft was filmed at
1:11:15this temple. [laughter]
1:11:16>> For real? For real? They actually let
1:11:18her film there. That movie. Yeah.
1:11:19>> Wow.
1:11:20>> Pretty dope.
1:11:21>> Yeah.
1:11:22>> Tourists love it.
1:11:23>> That tree just overcoming the building's
1:11:26amazing.
1:11:27>> They have their hands full in Cambodia
1:11:29with preserving these temples because
1:11:30the jungle's actively tearing it down.
1:11:33>> Yeah. It looks like the jungle's trying
1:11:34to consume it with that tree.
1:11:35>> Absolutely.
1:11:36>> Like eventually it will. Yep.
1:11:37Eventually, if more trees grow like
1:11:39that, it'll break down all the stone
1:11:40underneath it.
1:11:42>> The the structures I believe are older,
1:11:43like the pyramids, they're a little bit
1:11:46more impermeable to these kinds of
1:11:48things. The newer temples, like the one
1:11:49you see on the screen, they just get
1:11:51ripped down. You know, it's it's a
1:11:54little bit inferior construction. So,
1:11:56it's newer. Obviously, I think the Camar
1:11:58actually built those. And so, those just
1:12:00get ripped down immediately by trees.
1:12:02But the really old stuff, the the
1:12:04pyramids, if you see photos when they
1:12:06excavated it in like the 1920s, they
1:12:09were fully intact. You
1:12:10>> you were talking about the center of it
1:12:12that it's different that it looks older.
1:12:14Is there any clear images of like what
1:12:16that looks like?
1:12:18>> Um if you of the pyramids or of Ankor
1:12:21Watt
1:12:21>> Ankor Watt,
1:12:22>> the center
1:12:24>> I don't think I have photos in that
1:12:25folder, but you can um if you
1:12:28>> because you were talking about the
1:12:29difference between the iconography.
1:12:31Yeah, if you search the just the central
1:12:33towers of Anchor Watt, you're probably
1:12:36going to find images of that. The the
1:12:39central it's so it's three layers that
1:12:41get higher and higher as you get toward
1:12:43the middle of Ankorwatt. And in the
1:12:46middle of it, it's very it's just it's
1:12:49carvings that just blow your mind. And
1:12:52they're all um they're all spiritual in
1:12:55nature, which is something you see all
1:12:57over the world. So in India where I just
1:12:59was it was the same thing. The older
1:13:01structures it's spiritual imagery and
1:13:05then as you move out to the newer
1:13:06structures it's all war scenes you know
1:13:09you can see the deevolution of human
1:13:11consciousness. Yeah. So these are from
1:13:13the center of anchor watt. It's deities
1:13:16you know it's it's beautiful 3D
1:13:18carvings. You can stick gum wrappers
1:13:21through these. So they're they're fully
1:13:23enclosed. You can stick a gum wrapper
1:13:25behind these stones.
1:13:27>> Whoa.
1:13:29God, it's so pretty.
1:13:31>> It's so beautiful.
1:13:34>> And this is all this. So, it's that's so
1:13:36interesting that
1:13:39the people that probably built it first
1:13:42had
1:13:43>> no interest in war.
1:13:44>> No interest in war or at least had a
1:13:46very enlightened perspective. It does
1:13:49support, you know, the idea of I know
1:13:52you've talked about the Yuga cycles on
1:13:54this show, but the idea of the of human
1:13:58consciousness having reached its peak
1:13:5912,000 years ago and has just been
1:14:02slowly devolving ever since. You can see
1:14:04that in the imagery in some of these
1:14:06temples, plain as day. So, yeah, there's
1:14:08a lot of images of, you know, war scenes
1:14:11on the outer
1:14:13like all of the outer layers of Ankor
1:14:15Wat, but in the middle it's totally
1:14:17different. Same in India.
1:14:20[sighs]
1:14:21>> Now, does anybody have an an idea like
1:14:24does anybody have a compelling theory as
1:14:26to when these were made
1:14:29that like is backed by any kind of
1:14:31evidence or
1:14:32>> No. No. I mean, you can look at carbon
1:14:36dating um and you can poke holes in the
1:14:40carbon dating all day long. So, they'll
1:14:43carbonate wood samples. You know, these
1:14:45are made of stone. You can't date stone.
1:14:47Mhm.
1:14:47>> There's there's reconstructions that
1:14:50have happened on all these sites that
1:14:51are brick and then there's going to be
1:14:53there's wood um doorways that are put in
1:14:56and they've carbonated the wood and the
1:14:58wood in a lot of instances is coming
1:15:00back older than the accepted date of the
1:15:02temple construction in general which is
1:15:05a little bit problematic. So like
1:15:06there's a a pyramid called Bong which is
1:15:10the oldest accepted pyramid in Cambodia.
1:15:13That one's dated to um like 800 AD. the
1:15:17wood samples in the repaired sections of
1:15:19Bong are from the 600s. And they say,
1:15:23well, that's generally the same, you
1:15:25know, and and so you have to ask
1:15:26yourself if they were reconstructing and
1:15:29rebuilding these sites, say they were
1:15:30doing that during the Cimera times, they
1:15:32were using bricks and they were using
1:15:34wood to repair these sites. They were
1:15:36doing that in 600 AD. So, how old is the
1:15:40pyramid itself that they, you know, they
1:15:42came there and they repaired the
1:15:43pyramid. How old is that core structure?
1:15:46>> Yeah. And to assume that it's the same
1:15:47age is crazy.
1:15:48>> It's crazy.
1:15:49>> Yeah.
1:15:50>> And and it's a bit of a circular
1:15:51argument because they they date a temple
1:15:53based on an inscription and then they
1:15:55look at other temples that don't have
1:15:56inscriptions and they say, "Well, this
1:15:58one looks a lot like this one." So they
1:15:59they place it in the same time period.
1:16:02So it just becomes this big circular
1:16:03logic of all of it fits the story
1:16:05neatly, you know, based on one
1:16:07inscription.
1:16:08>> That seems so silly.
1:16:10>> Yeah,
1:16:11>> it really it just doesn't make sense. It
1:16:12seems much more likely that there's a
1:16:14giant mystery.
1:16:15>> Yes.
1:16:16>> Yeah. And especially when you look at
1:16:17the difference in the artwork and the
1:16:19way it looks. Will you show me, Jamie?
1:16:21>> Uh this they say they had this one took
1:16:23300,000 workers approximately 30 years
1:16:26and they never finished.
1:16:27>> Anchorwatt.
1:16:28>> Yeah.
1:16:29>> Yeah.
1:16:29>> And this says they also started at
1:16:31around 116
1:16:32116 CE.
1:16:34>> Yeah.
1:16:36It doesn't make any sense.
1:16:40So, I was I was recently in India a
1:16:43couple weeks ago and I saw something
1:16:46there that was the most impressive thing
1:16:49I've seen with my own two two eyes. It's
1:16:51called the Bahub Bali statue. I have
1:16:54photos in the India folder. It's a
1:16:57thousand tons.
1:16:58So, it's as big as the biggest destroyed
1:17:02structures or the biggest destroyed um
1:17:05statues in Egypt, but it's still
1:17:07standing. It's in India. It's on top of
1:17:10a mountain. It's made of granite. That's
1:17:12a person.
1:17:13>> Whoa.
1:17:14>> At the bottom of it.
1:17:17>> Holy [ __ ]
1:17:20[snorts]
1:17:22>> It's made of white granite. There's, you
1:17:25know, the jury's out on whether it was
1:17:28moved there, built somewhere else and
1:17:30moved there, or whether this was built
1:17:33at the top of the hill from living
1:17:35stone. But in my mind, this thing is
1:17:38clearly machined.
1:17:40It's absolutely perfect. Those ears are
1:17:44five and a half ft long.
1:17:47>> Wow.
1:17:49Look at the lips and the fingernails and
1:17:51everything. Look how crazy the precision
1:17:54is.
1:17:55>> It's perfect.
1:17:57Look at the head. So, these are all
1:17:59photos I took while I was there. It
1:18:01stands, you know, it's 60 feet tall.
1:18:05It's a thousand tons. So, it's the
1:18:08largest standing statue on Earth
1:18:12from ancient times.
1:18:14>> And where's the stone supposedly coming
1:18:16from?
1:18:16>> Well, you know, this the story is and I
1:18:19actually think I believe it. It the
1:18:21whole mountain is granite. And so, in
1:18:24order for this thing, so that's just it
1:18:26poking out above the temple that's built
1:18:28around it.
1:18:29>> That's mad.
1:18:30>> It's insane. that you know the story is
1:18:33that basically it was
1:18:34>> look at the leaves on his arm
1:18:36>> that they built it out of living stone
1:18:39that it's still connected to the
1:18:40mountain and it kind of looks like that
1:18:42when you walk around it. You can see
1:18:44this rough stone at the bottom but it it
1:18:47looks very different than the stone from
1:18:50the mountain itself. So this is a white
1:18:52granite. Yeah. So you can see how it
1:18:54almost looks like living stone.
1:18:55>> Mhm. And I can't imagine how you could
1:18:58have erected that and moved it to the
1:19:00top of this mountain. Um, so I
1:19:03personally believe that it was it was
1:19:05found, you know, it was built there and
1:19:07a large stone that was there and they
1:19:09just went in and chiseled the statue out
1:19:12of it.
1:19:13>> Yep. It represents Bahubali, which was
1:19:15the it's a Jane statue. Um, and Bahubali
1:19:20was a man who achieved enlightenment by
1:19:23standing still for a full year. So the
1:19:26ant in Cobra Hills at the bottom and
1:19:28then the vines grew up around him.
1:19:31>> Oh.
1:19:32>> So he is the picture of enlightenment.
1:19:35>> Whoa.
1:19:36>> So just just look at that image. It
1:19:41how was that built? I sat in front of
1:19:44this thing for two hours
1:19:47just entranced by it. And the beautiful
1:19:49thing about this the temples in India is
1:19:52they are all living temples. So, they're
1:19:54actively being taken care of by the
1:19:56community. They're active places of
1:19:57worship. They're not off in the jungle
1:20:00breaking down. They're being taken care
1:20:01of. Um, and you know, this looks like it
1:20:04was carved yesterday.
1:20:06>> And what timeline is this attributed to?
1:20:09>> About 980 AD.
1:20:11>> And why do they think that?
1:20:12>> Because of those very unsophisticated
1:20:15inscriptions at the base of it.
1:20:17>> Can I see those inscriptions?
1:20:20>> Yeah. Right there.
1:20:21>> Yeah.
1:20:22>> Yeah. They're not so sophisticated. They
1:20:24look really shitty.
1:20:25>> So, they carved those around the base
1:20:26and they said, "I built this."
1:20:28>> Look how clunky those inscriptions are.
1:20:30>> This paragraph here on this thing I
1:20:32showed you about hangar watt.
1:20:34>> Mhm.
1:20:35>> Shines a little light onto that.
1:20:37>> Yeah.
1:20:37>> Yeah. It says like I'll let you read it.
1:20:40>> Uh, building buildings of temples by the
1:20:42Chimera kings was a means of
1:20:44legitimizing their claim to political
1:20:45office and also to lay claim to the
1:20:47protection and powers of the gods. Hindu
1:20:49temples are not a place of religious
1:20:50congregation. instead their homes of the
1:20:52god. In order for a king to lay claim to
1:20:55his political office, he had to prove
1:20:57that the gods did not support his
1:20:59predecessors or his enemies. To this
1:21:01end, the king had to build the grandest
1:21:03temple palace for the gods, one that
1:21:05proved to be more lavish than any
1:21:07previous temples. In doing so, the king
1:21:09could make his make visible his ability
1:21:11to harness the energy and resources to
1:21:13construct the temple and assert that his
1:21:15temple was the only place that a god
1:21:17would consider residing in on earth.
1:21:20Interestingly, in Cambodia, all of the
1:21:23pyramids were the first structures
1:21:26claimed by the kings.
1:21:29So, the first king built the first
1:21:30pyramid, the second king built the
1:21:32second pyramid. So, what I think they
1:21:34were doing is they were going into this
1:21:35landscape and they were finding these
1:21:37incredibly sophisticated pyramids and
1:21:39just like that paragraph suggests, they
1:21:41said, "Well, this is the coolest thing I
1:21:43can find around." and they wrote their
1:21:44name on it, you know. And then once all
1:21:47the pyramids were taken, then they
1:21:48started claiming the berets. They
1:21:50started claiming the really nice
1:21:51temples. Like there's a temple called
1:21:54Bantier S, which is a red sandstone
1:21:55temple. It's beautiful. It's one of the
1:21:57coolest places I've ever been. You know,
1:21:59they they claimed all of these places
1:22:01first. So all of the coolest stuff in
1:22:03Cambodia is the oldest. And then once
1:22:06everything was claimed, then they
1:22:08started building new ones like that
1:22:10Bayon temple that you saw with the faces
1:22:12and the smaller stones.
1:22:14Um, so that's what I think happened in
1:22:16Cambodia.
1:22:17>> Jamie, can you go back once again to
1:22:18that giant statue and the inscriptions
1:22:21on it?
1:22:23Those inscriptions are weird cuz it's so
1:22:25shitty.
1:22:26>> Yeah.
1:22:26>> Like look how bad the lines are, how
1:22:29squiggly they are and broken up.
1:22:31>> And there's another photo in there of
1:22:32the rest of the inscriptions. They're
1:22:34even worse. I mean, these are actually
1:22:35very nice compared to the ones that are,
1:22:38>> but not when you consider the grandness
1:22:40of the actual statue itself. The statue
1:22:42is so spectacular.
1:22:44>> Yeah. I mean, look how they wrote it.
1:22:45Just up any space that they could find,
1:22:47they they wrote their name there,
1:22:49>> but it looks entirely different than the
1:22:51rest of the statue.
1:22:53>> It looks super clunky.
1:22:54>> Yeah.
1:22:56>> Like, it really does. It It's It's a
1:22:58stark contrast.
1:22:59>> The toe on this statue is 3 feet long.
1:23:02[laughter]
1:23:03>> The ear is larger than most humans.
1:23:05>> That's so crazy. Like, looking at it is
1:23:08so It's so
1:23:08>> Isn't it incredible? Imagine the time
1:23:11that it would take to make something
1:23:13like this with chisels.
1:23:14>> Yes. [snorts] And there was nothing else
1:23:17made like it.
1:23:18>> Not only that, like what are we talking
1:23:19about in terms of metal urgy back then?
1:23:21>> Oh, hammers and chisels.
1:23:23>> Yeah. Well, did they even have iron?
1:23:24>> Yeah, they did.
1:23:25>> They they had iron. So, they had iron
1:23:26chisels.
1:23:28>> And this is again, was it 900?
1:23:30>> 900 AD.
1:23:33>> God.
1:23:33>> And it's almost perfectly symmetrical.
1:23:36>> And you think it looks machined?
1:23:38>> I do. It looks very similar to the
1:23:40Egyptian statues. I have some
1:23:41sideby-side photos in the folder of
1:23:43>> Can you focus on the neck, Jamie? Go
1:23:45back to the neck because one of the
1:23:46things that was crazy about when you saw
1:23:47the image of the neck. Like look at the
1:23:49lines.
1:23:50>> I know.
1:23:50>> Like what is that?
1:23:52>> There's lines similar lines like that on
1:23:54the large statues in Cambodia. And
1:23:56there's similar lines like that on the
1:23:57large statues in Egypt.
1:23:58>> This only reminds me of Mount Rushmore.
1:24:00Didn't we make that by hand or no? I
1:24:02don't know.
1:24:02>> I think they use dynamite.
1:24:04>> I'm just kid that's the only thing in my
1:24:06head I can think of. [snorts] No, that's
1:24:08true. Mount Rushmore is immense.
1:24:10>> And this is white granite. So, this is
1:24:11an extremely hard stone.
1:24:12>> What was Mount Rushmore made?
1:24:13>> I don't I don't have to look. I just was
1:24:15thinking of it. It's like we made that,
1:24:17you know, thousand years later.
1:24:18>> That is true. That is true.
1:24:20>> But we did that with machines. They had
1:24:21machines back then.
1:24:22>> Yeah.
1:24:23>> I mean, they had jackhammers. They had
1:24:24all kinds of stuff back then
1:24:25>> when these were civilizations that were
1:24:27at war, but somehow they found the time
1:24:29to to carve this.
1:24:31>> I just I'm I'm wondering what those
1:24:33lines in the neck are supposed to
1:24:34represent. But the statue is so
1:24:36beautiful.
1:24:37>> Isn't it amazing?
1:24:38>> God, it's so incredible.
1:24:39>> Maybe they were going to make something
1:24:40and stopped.
1:24:41>> You know how dope that would be if that
1:24:42was in your backyard? I'd never get
1:24:44anything done.
1:24:44>> You can see this thing from 50 miles
1:24:45away.
1:24:46>> It's up on top of a mountain and it's at
1:24:50the peak of the mountain. So from 50
1:24:51miles in each direction, you can see
1:24:53this massive statue just staring
1:24:55serenely.
1:24:56>> So if you It's
1:24:58>> It's a
1:25:00Gowara Bali Bali statue of No. So
1:25:03there's a couple of different ones. This
1:25:04one's the best one. So that's the third
1:25:06picture to the right.
1:25:06>> The one in the middle. Yeah.
1:25:08>> So yeah, that's a drone photo of it when
1:25:10I was
1:25:13crazy.
1:25:14>> It's crazy. And it's the largest ancient
1:25:16stat standing statue in the world and
1:25:18very few people talk about this thing.
1:25:20>> I've never even heard of it until today.
1:25:22>> Yep.
1:25:23>> Wow. So that was probably just a big ass
1:25:26rock that was there and they chipped
1:25:28away everything to make that.
1:25:30>> I mean there's two there's two options.
1:25:32One, maybe it was a big rock, but look
1:25:34how much would have had to have been
1:25:36reduced. And look at the stones to the
1:25:38right. You can see how different they
1:25:40look than the statue itself.
1:25:42>> Do you think it's possible that stone
1:25:43was moved there?
1:25:44>> I think it's possible it was moved
1:25:45there. Not with any technology we
1:25:47recognize today. But I think it's
1:25:49absolutely possible. It would have had
1:25:50to have been taken to the top of this
1:25:52mountain, which is like 650 ft high, and
1:25:55stood up. [laughter]
1:25:57But even if it wasn't even if it wasn't
1:26:00even it was a standalone boulder like
1:26:02the ones you see below it
1:26:06>> that's still an extraordinary feat
1:26:09>> to carve that thing in almost perfect
1:26:11symmetry in a way that looks very very
1:26:14machined.
1:26:15>> That is bananas.
1:26:17>> Yeah. So you you climb the mountain.
1:26:19It's like 650 steps. You have to do it
1:26:22barefoot because it's a active temple.
1:26:25On the way down it got real hot.
1:26:28>> Oh, you can't even wear socks.
1:26:29>> You can wear socks, but it's slippery.
1:26:31>> Oh, so
1:26:32>> gotta wear them grippy socks. [laughter]
1:26:35>> I didn't think of that.
1:26:36>> Yeah. Well, like uh for Pilates.
1:26:40[laughter]
1:26:41>> Yeah.
1:26:42>> Wow.
1:26:43>> It's a It's an amazing place. And it's
1:26:46still it the beautiful thing about it is
1:26:48it's still just revered as a holy site.
1:26:50So people the James take pilgrimages
1:26:52there. Every 12 years they have these
1:26:55major ceremonies where they uh they pour
1:26:58milk and honey and things like that over
1:26:59the top of it. They build a big
1:27:00scaffolding. So they'll climb up to its
1:27:03head and pour pour these libations over
1:27:06the top of it. And it's it's just being
1:27:09continuously worshiped. And when you sit
1:27:11up there to get a little bit spiritual
1:27:13for you, you feel different. You feel
1:27:16like you're being healed. Like we had a
1:27:18plane to catch and I didn't want to
1:27:20leave. We sat in front of that. It was
1:27:22my brother and I and we sat in front of
1:27:23it for as many hours as we could before
1:27:26we had to go catch our plane.
1:27:28>> Wow.
1:27:29Wow.
1:27:32What was going on back then? That's
1:27:35>> this is the real big question. Like
1:27:38>> what was the height of sophisticated
1:27:41civilization
1:27:4310,000 12,000 years ago? What was it
1:27:45really like? And how much information
1:27:48did we lose because of the flood?
1:27:50>> Yeah. What what's interesting is if you
1:27:53look at Jane mythology, so they talk
1:27:56about these great half cycles that are
1:27:59an incalculable number of years and
1:28:01they're they're called turf and caras.
1:28:03So they're like the kings the the um
1:28:06they're not kings, they're like the
1:28:07enlightened ones of the period. The
1:28:09first turara was Bali was the son of
1:28:13that uh enlightened being. He was
1:28:16described as being over a mile tall,
1:28:20fully enlightened, right? He was
1:28:22described as millions of years old. And
1:28:25these are their myths that go back to an
1:28:28incalculable amount of time. And that's
1:28:29just in this half cycle. So that they
1:28:31just describe these major cycles of
1:28:34time. And this the images that they're
1:28:36building at the top of these mountains
1:28:38are of these enlightened beings that are
1:28:40part of these like ancient myths.
1:28:43>> Geez.
1:28:47you know, when you go into their ancient
1:28:51uh scriptures and you you read about
1:28:53things like vimmanas, like the flying
1:28:55crafts and
1:28:57>> you know, and
1:28:58>> we were talking the other day about they
1:29:01had some sort of a description that
1:29:03seems to sound like a nuclear bomb
1:29:05>> and you had to use it for very specific
1:29:07reasons and you had to get authority to
1:29:09use it and
1:29:10>> Yeah. Even do you know what a Shiva
1:29:13lingum is? No
1:29:15>> um in my Cambodia f folder there's a
1:29:17some photos of it. So in most of the
1:29:19Indian temples there's a Shiva lingum
1:29:22that's usually described as a uh you
1:29:26know it's a it's a male component inside
1:29:28a female component. So it's meant to
1:29:29represent both sides of the polarities.
1:29:32Um and they're they're at the entrance
1:29:34of most of these temples and they're
1:29:36small. They're maybe like two or three
1:29:37feet long. But in Cambodia there are
1:29:40giant Shiva lingums. There are ones that
1:29:43are you know probably almost 20 feet
1:29:45long and you can you can see those at
1:29:48sites like Karee you can see them at the
1:29:50top of [snorts] Panbach mountain which
1:29:51is right by one of the big berets. Um in
1:29:54India the Shivalinghams are even bigger.
1:29:57If you go to the ancient texts and they
1:29:59talk about these things they describe
1:30:01them as infinite pillars of light and
1:30:03fire.
1:30:05So are these Shivaingum these giant
1:30:07Shivalingums
1:30:09actually they're not? I don't believe
1:30:11that they're what we say they are today.
1:30:13I think that they were extremely
1:30:15powerful.
1:30:18Maybe a maybe a weapon. I don't think
1:30:20so. Maybe an energy device. But if you
1:30:23look at modernday stonework and then you
1:30:25tie it into the old myths, you know, it
1:30:28that's when it becomes really really
1:30:30interesting to me. Yeah. So that
1:30:32shaveingum that the the man is standing
1:30:34on in the top right photo, that's at
1:30:36Hampy in India. Um, these are always
1:30:40surrounded by water. They're always in
1:30:42roofless shrines.
1:30:44This, you know, very megalithic temples.
1:30:46The one in the bottom right, that's not
1:30:48AI. That's a real photo of these
1:30:50chivaling.
1:30:52It's, that one's 40t high originally in
1:30:55a roofless temple
1:30:58by large bodies of water. Were these
1:31:00actually I mean I think that these were
1:31:03all something very different than what
1:31:05we're being told today which is just you
1:31:07know a a spiritual carving.
1:31:12>> So you think this has something to do
1:31:14with energy and that's why they're
1:31:15surrounded by water?
1:31:17>> Yeah. I mean in the ancient texts
1:31:18they're described as an infinite
1:31:21pillar of light and fire. That's what a
1:31:23normal Shiva lingum looks like that you
1:31:25see all over the temples
1:31:27>> right which is just like a beautiful
1:31:28fountain. a very small version of of
1:31:31these monumental ones that you can find
1:31:33in Cambodia and India.
1:31:36>> Very phallic looking.
1:31:37>> Yep.
1:31:38>> Yes.
1:31:39>> Yeah. Um so go back to the big ones.
1:31:45>> An infinite source of light.
1:31:47>> Infinite pillar of fire and light.
1:31:50>> That's what they were described as.
1:31:51>> Yes.
1:31:52>> What the hell is that?
1:31:54>> Like what
1:31:55>> what were they doing with these things?
1:31:56They always face north. They're always
1:31:58in a roofless temple. They always have
1:32:00major water features next to them.
1:32:02>> Is that how they made power? Maybe if
1:32:03powery
1:32:06implying electricity or something
1:32:07>> or something some kind of power.
1:32:09>> The myth suggests that there was
1:32:11something going on there.
1:32:12>> Well, this is the the question that I
1:32:14always have when you know we when we
1:32:16think about technology we always think
1:32:19about in the context of what we
1:32:21understand currently. Yeah. And if you
1:32:23think of human beings, the way we've
1:32:25progressed to get to where we are now is
1:32:28through internal combustion engines and
1:32:30transistors and all these different
1:32:33technologies that we're available that
1:32:35that we that we have right now. We
1:32:38there could have been completely
1:32:40different direction that they went in
1:32:42and achieved similar or more spectacular
1:32:46sophistication in this different
1:32:48direction.
1:32:48>> Yes. And the idea that this is the only
1:32:50way to go is kind of crazy.
1:32:52>> Yeah. It doesn't have to be mechanical,
1:32:53>> especially when this is a fairly sick
1:32:55society in terms of our value system and
1:32:58you know what we you know we're we're a
1:32:59mess like objectively.
1:33:02>> Yes. Mentally, physically we're as sick
1:33:04as we've ever been. It's the only reason
1:33:06our lifespan is increasing is because
1:33:07we've overcome it with technology.
1:33:09>> Yeah.
1:33:10>> Right. Right.
1:33:10>> We're as sick as we've ever been. As
1:33:12unhappy as we've ever been. I think
1:33:14that's part of the reason that
1:33:17the powers that be don't want us talking
1:33:19about golden ages, right? So if if you
1:33:23can convince civilization that if you
1:33:26can convince today's society that we are
1:33:28the best we've ever been, life is as
1:33:30good as it's ever been,
1:33:34that's much more palatable than we are
1:33:35as sick as we've ever been, we're as
1:33:37unhappy as we've ever Do you think that
1:33:38people are actively
1:33:40trying to enforce that narrative because
1:33:42of that or do you think they're just
1:33:44reinforcing their own current beliefs?
1:33:48>> I think a little of both.
1:33:50>> I don't think they know. I I think
1:33:52there's a lot of these people that are
1:33:54these um
1:33:57that are conventional archaeologists,
1:33:59conventional timeline proponents. I
1:34:02don't think they really study at all. I
1:34:05don't think they do. I think they try to
1:34:06discredit some things and they do it
1:34:08very disingenuously. Like some of the
1:34:10people that have gone after Graham
1:34:11Hancock, they the things they say are
1:34:13really kind of crazy, but I don't I
1:34:17think they're doing it because they're
1:34:18trying to reinforce their own closely
1:34:20held beliefs and this gatekeeping of
1:34:23information being the person that's the
1:34:24expert. You know, this appeal to
1:34:27expertise in an area where you have very
1:34:29little data. Yeah.
1:34:30>> It's like you really can't be an expert
1:34:31in something that you, you know,
1:34:33especially like timelines of stone. Like
1:34:36how how do you know? You don't really
1:34:38know, right? You don't know. Okay. So,
1:34:40let's go from there.
1:34:41>> We don't know. That's an okay thing to
1:34:43say. Yeah.
1:34:43>> Or I'm open to the possibilities. I
1:34:46don't think they're trying to promote it
1:34:48because they think that we want to
1:34:49establish that, you know, human beings
1:34:52today are sick and let's let's not pay
1:34:54attention to an enlightened golden age
1:34:56when people were different and they were
1:35:00concentrating much more on the spiritual
1:35:01aspects of human life and they they had
1:35:04deities that were
1:35:06>> spectacular and they had technology that
1:35:08was above and beyond. I think I I think
1:35:10they're just not willing to entertain
1:35:12it, you know. You know, I think and I
1:35:13again I think that's like what they say
1:35:16about science that science moves on and
1:35:18progresses one funeral at a time.
1:35:20>> Yeah.
1:35:21>> Yeah. I think that's the case with
1:35:23archaeology as well. I think there's a
1:35:25lot of these people that just they have
1:35:26to go away.
1:35:27>> And then the new people coming up, a lot
1:35:29of them are watching YouTube, you know,
1:35:31a lot of them are reading these papers.
1:35:33A lot of them are looking at the work of
1:35:34uh Fleo Beyond that's underneath the
1:35:37pyramids and they're going, "Hey,
1:35:40>> explain that."
1:35:41>> Yeah. because you really can't, you
1:35:43know, and they're try to dismiss it so
1:35:46hard, but that technology is like if you
1:35:48are trust the science like you got to
1:35:51trust the science and that technology is
1:35:53proven that not only that they use that
1:35:55technology to accurately get the
1:35:58dimensions of things like that particle
1:36:00collider that's 1.2 kilometers into a
1:36:04mountain.
1:36:04>> Yeah. So if they have that and they can
1:36:07use that on a known specific structure,
1:36:09they know the dimensions of it and then
1:36:10they get a reading that's the exact
1:36:12dimensions of that specific structure.
1:36:13It's because technology works.
1:36:15>> Yeah.
1:36:15>> Right.
1:36:16>> But they don't want to even entertain it
1:36:18because it's too crazy. Like if what
1:36:21he's saying about what's underneath the
1:36:22pyramids is correct, the whole
1:36:24timeline's gone. Like everything's gone.
1:36:25Like it's like, okay.
1:36:27>> Yep.
1:36:28>> We don't know [ __ ]
1:36:28>> You know, he just basically announced
1:36:30that he discovered a second sphinx. And
1:36:34if you if you look at the layout of the
1:36:36Giza plateau, it actually makes sense
1:36:38that a second sphinx would be there. The
1:36:41structures under the pyramid are very
1:36:43difficult to prove out because you have
1:36:45to dig or excavate under the pyramid to
1:36:47do that. The second sphinx is if it's
1:36:50there is simply buried by a pile of
1:36:53sand. So that would be a very easy thing
1:36:55to dig out and to prove yes, Filipo
1:36:58Beyond is his technology is showing
1:37:01something that's actually there. What
1:37:03does the second sphinx look like in the
1:37:05images?
1:37:06>> He just had a a conference in Italy and
1:37:11his translated version of his talk at
1:37:14this conference just came out I think
1:37:16yesterday or the day before and he shows
1:37:18all of these all of these scans that
1:37:20he's done from space. Um, and he he kind
1:37:24of puts them together and shows the
1:37:26shape of the structure that I'm seeing
1:37:28under the ground looks a whole lot a
1:37:31whole lot like the existing Sphinx. And
1:37:33he actually used AI and ran
1:37:35probabilities against his scans. And so
1:37:38he went to Grock and Google Gemini and
1:37:41all of the different AIs and and
1:37:42effectively said, if you look at my
1:37:44data, what do what do you think the odds
1:37:46are of a sphinx being under the sand?
1:37:48and AI came back in almost every
1:37:51instance higher than 80% probability
1:37:53that it is a sphinx based on the data
1:37:56that he's showing.
1:37:58>> Wow,
1:37:59>> that would be incredible.
1:38:00>> That seems easy.
1:38:00>> And like I said, all you have to do is
1:38:03so when they when they excavated the
1:38:05tombs that are right next to where
1:38:07Beyond believes the Sphinx is, they took
1:38:10all of the sand from those and piled it
1:38:12directly on top of the Sphinx, not
1:38:14knowing it was there. And so you just
1:38:16need to move this sand out of the way
1:38:19and dig down and you can prove what he's
1:38:21whether it's there or not.
1:38:23>> Haven't people disputed that though?
1:38:25Like aren't there some photos where that
1:38:27mound didn't exist from like the 1930s
1:38:30or something?
1:38:31>> Yeah. So that's when they excavated
1:38:32those tombs. They took that that sand
1:38:35and they piled it there. So, initially
1:38:37when Beyond talked about this, like on
1:38:39Matt Bell's podcast, when he announced
1:38:41this, people came out immediately and
1:38:43said what he thinks he's seeing is
1:38:45actually a modern pile of of soil. But
1:38:49what he's showing is is below that in
1:38:52his scans. So, I I think it's a big
1:38:55opportunity for the people in Egypt to
1:38:58go out, do a little mission, dig down,
1:39:01see what's there, and you can prove, you
1:39:04know. Yes. So the dream stella it all of
1:39:07these a lot of these different
1:39:08traditions talk about two sphinxes and
1:39:11the geometry from the air you can see
1:39:14where he believes he found the sphinx
1:39:16you know geometrically it looks very
1:39:18similar to where the first sphinx was
1:39:20found in relation to the different
1:39:21pyramids.
1:39:23>> Whoa. [clears throat]
1:39:25>> So yeah. So you know I think it's
1:39:26>> go back to that
1:39:27>> just just talking about it.
1:39:29>> I know but they say it's false. Well,
1:39:30>> I love how they say that viral claims of
1:39:33second buried sphinx at Giza are false.
1:39:35Archaeologists say it was
1:39:37>> Well, how do you know if you didn't dig?
1:39:39>> Yeah.
1:39:39>> How do you know?
1:39:40>> And again,
1:39:40>> also the sphinx was buried. This is like
1:39:42what's really important. Like when
1:39:45Napoleon found it, it was burnt. Buried,
1:39:47>> right?
1:39:47>> So that was what year was that?
1:39:50>> I don't know.
1:39:51>> What year is Napoleon? 17s.
1:39:53>> 1700s.
1:39:55>> Was I could see the head though, right?
1:39:57>> Yeah, that's it. Just the head. Yeah. So
1:40:00if the entire sphinx Yeah. If the entire
1:40:02sphinx is varied, I guess my point is
1:40:04like
1:40:06>> it's very hard to prove his claims of
1:40:08what's under the pyramids because that's
1:40:10a
1:40:10>> look there's a picture of
1:40:11>> that's a real excavation [laughter]
1:40:12>> in color.
1:40:15>> So I mean you could easily see giving uh
1:40:18a different geographic layout, you know,
1:40:21different topographical layout that if
1:40:24the whole body could be covered. Well,
1:40:26if you're in a different place and the
1:40:28sand comes in in a different way and it
1:40:29piles up even higher.
1:40:30>> It's on the west side of the Giza
1:40:32Plateau, the current Sphinx is on the
1:40:34east side and then you have the two
1:40:36pyramids in the middle.
1:40:37>> So, it is possible that sand could have
1:40:40just covered that over thousands and
1:40:42thousands of years.
1:40:43>> Absolutely. And it would be easy to
1:40:45prove that it's there
1:40:46>> or that it's not
1:40:47>> or that it's not
1:40:48>> or that Beyond is full of [ __ ]
1:40:51>> Yeah.
1:40:51>> Or maybe he's not.
1:40:52>> Right. He might not be. Well, they have
1:40:54also found uh chambers inside the Sphinx
1:40:57that they know are real.
1:40:58>> Yeah.
1:40:58>> So, cha chambers that are proven that
1:41:01they know exist, this technology also
1:41:03shows them.
1:41:04>> And in Beyond these new scans, he also
1:41:06shows cavities inside that sphinx
1:41:10>> really
1:41:11>> what he believes are.
1:41:12>> Okay. So, it's it's really exciting and
1:41:15I think, you know, if you think about
1:41:17where this field is going in the next
1:41:20five or 10 years and think about the
1:41:22opportunities with AI and all of this
1:41:24technology, look what was uncovered in
1:41:26Cambodia with LAR. Look what's happening
1:41:28in Egypt with scans from space. If you
1:41:31take AI and you start to compile, you
1:41:34know, I used to work for a mining
1:41:35company and mining companies use lidar
1:41:38or forestry companies or um
1:41:41environmental [clears throat] companies.
1:41:43They all scan the Earth, right, with
1:41:45LAR. If you could use AI to compile all
1:41:48of the scans all over the world, imagine
1:41:52what you could start to identify that
1:41:53nobody's identified before as an ancient
1:41:56structures. Like, I think you could
1:41:58fundamentally change this discussion in
1:42:00the next 5 years just using AI and
1:42:02different kinds of technology that we've
1:42:04never been able to do in human history.
1:42:06We can we can translate untransatable
1:42:08texts.
1:42:10>> Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen what's
1:42:12really fascinating when they do these
1:42:13scans of um scrolls from Pompei. Have
1:42:17you seen that?
1:42:17>> The Vuvius project.
1:42:20>> Amazing. Like they're completely
1:42:22wrapped. Yeah.
1:42:23>> They're and they're covered with ash
1:42:25like and there's like they're super
1:42:27delicate, but they've been able to use
1:42:29scans to actually read the text on those
1:42:31scrolls.
1:42:31>> It's amazing.
1:42:32>> Incredible.
1:42:33>> And there's an incredible amount of
1:42:35ancient texts that have been
1:42:36untransated.
1:42:38What is hidden in there,
1:42:39>> right? you know, not just the languages
1:42:41that we don't know how to translate like
1:42:42Rango Rango script in Easter Island, but
1:42:45translatable script that nobody's paid
1:42:46attention to, the thousands of Sanskrit
1:42:50writings, what's hidden in there,
1:42:52>> right?
1:42:52>> You know, so I I think it's a really
1:42:54exciting time to to do this work. And I
1:42:57personally believe in the next 10 years
1:42:59there are going to be extraordinary
1:43:01discoveries that I think it's going to
1:43:03be very hard to argue that we need to at
1:43:05least reexamine our history.
1:43:07>> Yeah, without a doubt. I I I think
1:43:09that's already the case. I think there's
1:43:11uh thanks to people like you and thanks
1:43:13to people that are making these videos
1:43:14where you could see this
1:43:17just it's just so puzzling. I mean it it
1:43:20doesn't make the timeline doesn't make
1:43:21any sense. It also doesn't make any
1:43:23sense in terms of like a linear timeline
1:43:25of technology. It's like
1:43:26>> what were they using? Like how did they
1:43:28move this stuff? Like
1:43:30>> and why
1:43:31>> why Yeah. Why
1:43:32>> why were they building these things? Why
1:43:34were they building them where they were
1:43:36building them?
1:43:36>> Yeah. You know, if you think of the
1:43:38earth like a a human body, were these
1:43:41sites built on the acupuncture points of
1:43:44earth? They were built in highly
1:43:46energetic places. When you go to these
1:43:48sites, you feel different. People
1:43:50describe spontaneous healings. I have
1:43:53different dreams when I visit these
1:43:55ancient sites. You know, I I do a lot of
1:43:58meditations. And when you meditate on
1:44:00top of a pyramid in Cambodia, you drop
1:44:03in immediately, you know. So you are as
1:44:06a human, you're resonating with these
1:44:08sites in a way that you don't when
1:44:10you're not at them. And so I believe
1:44:12personally that they were building these
1:44:14sites in these places for a reason.
1:44:17>> Well, it makes sense. Uh, and the idea
1:44:20that different places don't have
1:44:22different energy is just one of those
1:44:24things that people like to say that
1:44:25we've got a a clear understanding of
1:44:29what energy is and what you know what
1:44:33what is different about these different
1:44:35places. It's just different geology.
1:44:36It's just there's nothing special.
1:44:38There's nothing but we don't really know
1:44:40that. There's so many things that we
1:44:41can't measure and we definitely don't
1:44:42understand why certain places have a
1:44:44different effect on human beings. I
1:44:47mean, just wilderness has a different
1:44:48effect on human beings. It's it's, you
1:44:50know, like forest bathing, it's a real
1:44:52thing. Like hugging trees actually is
1:44:54good for you. Like [laughter]
1:44:56grounding, walking barefoot on ground is
1:44:59actually good for you. And we don't
1:45:00truly understand why. And there's
1:45:04something that in some way that we're
1:45:06connected to the earth that we don't
1:45:08quite understand.
1:45:10>> Yep. Right after I left my corporate
1:45:12life, I did a basically like a
1:45:15wilderness quest. So, picture of like a
1:45:17Native American vision quest where I
1:45:20spent four days on the side of a
1:45:22mountain with no food, no tent, nothing,
1:45:26just a journal and myself for four days
1:45:28with no food.
1:45:30>> Why did you do that?
1:45:30>> It was it was it was because I needed to
1:45:34heal from the corporate life that I had
1:45:36lived. that I needed to recover. And
1:45:38>> how bad are jobs?
1:45:41>> How bad are jobs that it's better to
1:45:43have no food and be sitting on a
1:45:44mountain for 4 days to get your head
1:45:46straight?
1:45:46>> What I'll say about that experience is I
1:45:49think that humans don't let themselves
1:45:52get completely silent any longer. So
1:45:55what you're saying about nature healing
1:45:56you, you know, over the course of three
1:45:58days, your body gets very weak and the
1:46:01voices get a lot quieter and suddenly
1:46:04really the only thing you hear is your
1:46:07soul or God or whatever word you have
1:46:10for it and you watch the stars pass at
1:46:12night and you're sitting there all day
1:46:14and it's it was one of the most special
1:46:17experiences I've ever had.
1:46:19>> Did you bring water? What did you do?
1:46:21You have basically like you have 3 lers
1:46:25of water per day that you hike into this
1:46:27area and you just sit with the water and
1:46:29that's it. Um the last night of it was
1:46:32really cool because what you're supposed
1:46:34to do it's it's it's meant to be a a
1:46:37healing and kind of rebirth, right? So
1:46:39the last night you you set up rocks in a
1:46:42circle and you at sunset you enter the
1:46:44middle of the circle and you you're
1:46:47keeping an all night vigil. So, you're
1:46:48watching you literally watch the
1:46:50constellations move all night and you're
1:46:54supposed to try I I succeeded but barely
1:46:58to stay awake until the sun comes up.
1:47:00And so, the idea is that you're entering
1:47:02as one person and you're leaving the
1:47:04next morning as another person. And so,
1:47:06the the Native Americans with their
1:47:08vision quests, they're doing it right. I
1:47:11think that we have completely lost uh
1:47:14our connection and ability to tune into
1:47:16ourselves and to tune into the earth and
1:47:18you know quests like that are really
1:47:20amazing.
1:47:21>> Wow. And it's being blunted every day by
1:47:25phones and TVs screens and
1:47:28>> Yeah.
1:47:28>> Yeah.
1:47:29>> flipping through Tik Tok,
1:47:30>> you know, it's it's different than
1:47:32sitting with yourself
1:47:34>> in complete silence.
1:47:35>> What a complete polar opposite to
1:47:37corporate life.
1:47:37>> Yes.
1:47:38>> Yeah.
1:47:38>> Thank God.
1:47:40>> [laughter]
1:47:42>> Corporate life has its place, but Yeah.
1:47:44>> Well, has its place. I'm on an iPhone.
1:47:46>> Yeah.
1:47:46>> Somebody's got to make a laptop.
1:47:47>> Totally. And people need to make a
1:47:49living, right?
1:47:50>> Yeah. It's just there's other ways.
1:47:54[laughter]
1:47:55>> Not for everybody. I mean, we need
1:47:56people to not get it so that they keep
1:47:58working so we have stuff.
1:48:00>> Yep. Exactly. Or, you know, at least to
1:48:02spend a portion of their life doing
1:48:04that. And then
1:48:05>> when you think about ancient
1:48:06civilizations and how much time they
1:48:08spent in ritual and how how important
1:48:11these things were to them and how they
1:48:14had this very strange connection like
1:48:17all a lot of these ancient structures
1:48:18particularly like the Aztec structures
1:48:20and Egyptian structures they mirror the
1:48:22constellations.
1:48:23>> Mhm.
1:48:23>> And so they they had a a understanding
1:48:26of their place in this universe. They
1:48:29they knew how to make these temples so
1:48:31that the pillars, the summer solstice,
1:48:33the sun would part through the middle of
1:48:34the pillars and light these corridors
1:48:36like that. That's incredible
1:48:38sophistication. That's incredible
1:48:40planning. This understanding of when the
1:48:43sun's coming up exactly at a specific
1:48:45time of the year was the longest day of
1:48:47the year to the knowledge that the sun's
1:48:49moving in the sky, but it'll be back on
1:48:51this day and this is where it's got to
1:48:53be. So, this is where we have to build.
1:48:55>> And they encoded that in stone
1:48:56>> and they didn't miss. They didn't get it
1:48:58off by a half a foot or 6 in. No, it's
1:49:01like right there. Sun in the center,
1:49:03right up the middle. Like, how did you
1:49:05do that?
1:49:06>> Yeah.
1:49:07>> How did you do that? You did that while
1:49:08you were hunter gathering. Like, what
1:49:10are you talking about? This is bananas.
1:49:12>> In the spring equinox, the sun rises
1:49:14exactly over the center tower of
1:49:16Ankorwatt.
1:49:17>> Like, perfect.
1:49:20>> They knew. They knew exactly what was
1:49:22happening and they built their
1:49:23structures around it.
1:49:25>> God. Which gets back to the why, right?
1:49:27Like, yes, how did they build this? It's
1:49:29mindblowing, but why did they build it?
1:49:32Why did they build it the way that they
1:49:34did? Why did they build it where they
1:49:35did? Look at that.
1:49:36>> Isn't that incredible?
1:49:37>> That is bananas.
1:49:38>> Look at all the people. Just straight.
1:49:41>> Wow.
1:49:43>> Straight up the east side.
1:49:46>> What are the odds?
1:49:48I mean, the odds are pretty pretty small
1:49:51that you would nail it like that.
1:49:52[laughter]
1:49:55You definitely get fired if you if you
1:49:57were off a little bit.
1:49:58>> That is crazy. It's so crazy. It's so
1:50:01crazy.
1:50:02>> Were really in tune.
1:50:05>> What was it like? I mean, how much time
1:50:06do you spend thinking about what society
1:50:08must have been like then? Like
1:50:11>> a lot almost every day. I wonder what
1:50:14humans are like if we're not on this
1:50:17path that we're on, you know, with uh
1:50:20propaganda and gaslighting and
1:50:22technology and being inundated with just
1:50:25nonsense all the time and wrapped up in
1:50:29materialism and brands and [ __ ] and
1:50:33popularity.
1:50:34>> I think we're in touch with each other.
1:50:36I think we're in touch with the earth. I
1:50:38think we have a deep relationship with
1:50:40God. It's all of the things that people
1:50:43are still searching for today. We just
1:50:45feel fully disconnected from it. And I
1:50:47think that's why these ancient sites are
1:50:49so appealing to people.
1:50:51>> You know, why people travel all over the
1:50:52world to see them. It it creates a sense
1:50:55of wonder and awe in us that very few
1:50:57other things do.
1:50:58>> Yeah.
1:50:59>> You know,
1:51:00>> um I'm really fascinated by the Mayan
1:51:04civilization and the timeline of them
1:51:07because that's another one that's really
1:51:08weird.
1:51:09>> Yeah. Like the the Mayan structures are
1:51:11so strange. I've that's the only place
1:51:13that I've been. The only ancient place
1:51:15I've been is Chichinita. And when you're
1:51:18walking around, you just go, "What were
1:51:20these people like?" Like, "What was it
1:51:23like living here?"
1:51:24>> Were you there when you could still
1:51:25climb it?
1:51:26>> Yes. Me, too.
1:51:27>> Yeah.
1:51:27>> Yeah. We went in the 90s.
1:51:29>> Yeah.
1:51:30>> No, maybe early 2000s. Yeah. Early
1:51:312000s. And uh it was stunning. It's
1:51:35weird. It feels weird. There's a lot of
1:51:38ancient stuff in Mexico. You know, the
1:51:40Memech things are really mysterious. The
1:51:42Mayan structures, their myths, they're,
1:51:45you know, it's it's old in southern
1:51:47Mexico.
1:51:48>> Well, how about the Aztec stuff where
1:51:50they didn't even make those temples.
1:51:52That's what I didn't know. I didn't know
1:51:53that until fairly recently.
1:51:54>> I mean, it's no different than the
1:51:55Chimera in Cambodia.
1:51:57>> Yeah. But at least they said it.
1:51:58>> Yeah.
1:51:59>> They said these are the place where the
1:52:00gods were born. That's how they
1:52:01described it. So, we we attribute those
1:52:04temples to the Aztecs.
1:52:05>> Yeah. Yeah,
1:52:05>> but they they were like, "Nope, they
1:52:07were already here."
1:52:07>> Yep.
1:52:08>> Okay. Well, but then who?
1:52:09>> The Inca say the same thing in Peru. We
1:52:12didn't build these. These were already
1:52:15here.
1:52:16But we don't listen to them. [laughter]
1:52:19>> We're like, "You guys don't know what
1:52:20you're talking about. People wrote
1:52:22myths. Those are just stories.
1:52:23>> Silly people."
1:52:24>> Yeah. Um, one of the things we talked
1:52:26about the other day was that there's a
1:52:28bunch of different cultures that have um
1:52:32a timeline of uh the kings where they
1:52:36they ruled for thousands and thousands
1:52:39of years. Yeah. Like one king ruled for
1:52:41thousands of years and then you have the
1:52:42flood and then you have the ages of
1:52:45these people drops off pretty radically
1:52:47and then becomes a normal age like human
1:52:50beings.
1:52:50>> Yeah. And we look at that and we go,
1:52:52"Oh, that well that's just myth back
1:52:55then." Yeah. Until it's history. And
1:52:57it's the same texts like in the same
1:53:00depictions of these kings. They have
1:53:03accepted dates. You know, the 5,000 year
1:53:05ago, 4,000 year ago kings. Well, yeah,
1:53:08that guy was real.
1:53:09>> Yeah.
1:53:09>> But these other ones that lived for 3600
1:53:12years, no, that's not real.
1:53:14>> Same with the Janes. Like I was talking
1:53:15about earlier, there are 24 tthankaras.
1:53:18All 24 have lived according to the
1:53:20James, but archaeology has only
1:53:22recognized the last two of them because
1:53:25those were the only, you know, the
1:53:26timelines and their lifespans that kind
1:53:29of fits. But when you talk about the way
1:53:30back days, that's just myth.
1:53:32>> What do they say their timelines were?
1:53:35>> Oh, that I mean millions of years.
1:53:37[laughter]
1:53:39And the, you know, the first earth car
1:53:41was over a mile tall.
1:53:42>> Oh my god.
1:53:43>> You know, so that it's just but it's
1:53:45consistent across the world. The James
1:53:48talk about it, the Hindus, the
1:53:49Egyptians, the Sumerianss, all the
1:53:51Bible, all of them talk about very long
1:53:54lifespans, giant statures, you know. Is
1:53:57it is it coincidence that all of our
1:54:00ancient myths talk about the same
1:54:01things,
1:54:02>> right?
1:54:02>> Or might it have been true?
1:54:04>> Yeah. Well, then there's the book of
1:54:06Enoch,
1:54:08which is um Anna Paulina Luna turned me
1:54:11on to that. She's like, "You got to read
1:54:12that." And I I I've read it twice now.
1:54:15I'm like, this is the most bizarre
1:54:17depiction of a human story.
1:54:21>> Yep.
1:54:21>> The watchers came down and mated with
1:54:24the daughters of men and created the
1:54:26Nephilim. Yep.
1:54:27>> Who were giants who destroyed and
1:54:28consumed everything
1:54:30>> and were wiped out by the flood.
1:54:33>> What?
1:54:33>> And the the accepted biblical texts
1:54:36barely hint at that. They still talk
1:54:38about it. Yes. But the extra biblical
1:54:41cannon talks it the stories are much
1:54:43more like the book of Enoch. Yeah. You
1:54:46know it there's a reason I think that
1:54:48those were excluded from the Bible.
1:54:49>> Well, they were excluded by rabbis.
1:54:51>> I know
1:54:52>> because they didn't jive with the Torah,
1:54:53[laughter] which is hilarious. Like you
1:54:56you get to disco and they all were in
1:54:59the same uh caves in Kuman. Like the
1:55:02version of uh the book of Enoch was in
1:55:05the same as the book of Isaiah. They
1:55:06were all in the same scrolls.
1:55:09>> Yeah. I
1:55:09>> was just like, "What?"
1:55:11>> Yep.
1:55:12>> How do you guys leave this out? Like,
1:55:13you imagine if they taught that at
1:55:15church on Sunday. You'd be like, "What
1:55:17are you saying?"
1:55:19>> Yeah. You know, David and Goliath,
1:55:21>> the Watchers.
1:55:22>> It I think it's interesting that you can
1:55:24totally accept that David and Goliath is
1:55:27a real story. And Goliath was a giant in
1:55:29the Bible.
1:55:30>> Yeah. Right.
1:55:31>> How How tall was he supposed to be,
1:55:32though? Couldn't he be like a really big
1:55:33guy from Iceland?
1:55:34>> I think he was described They described
1:55:37the way that the Hebrews described it is
1:55:39that they made them feel like
1:55:40grasshoppers.
1:55:42>> The giants, the Nephilim made them feel,
1:55:45you know, they were like, "We are as if
1:55:46we are grasshoppers." So, I think that
1:55:48they were meant to be very, very large.
1:55:52>> Um, it would be really nice if they
1:55:54found a Bigfoot somewhere.
1:55:55>> Oh my. I love Bigfoot.
1:55:58>> Not a [laughter] Bigfoot, not the
1:55:59animal. I mean, like a giant foot, like
1:56:02a sto Exactly. Yeah. David and Goliath.
1:56:06So he was supposed to be 10 feet tall.
1:56:08Often calculated as roughly nine to 10
1:56:10feet tall. The thing about that is like
1:56:13you know people are full of [ __ ] and
1:56:15they can make up a story. The guy was so
1:56:17big he was 10 feet tall. But meanwhile
1:56:19he could have been like the mountain
1:56:20from Game of Thrones like a real person.
1:56:22Yep.
1:56:23>> Maybe 6 and 1/2 ft tall.
1:56:24>> Any of our basketball players today.
1:56:26>> Who says he was 6 and 1/2 ft tall?
1:56:27Scholars.
1:56:28>> The Dead Sea Scrolls.
1:56:29>> The Dead Sea Scrolls. So six cubits in a
1:56:32span often calculated as roughly 9 to 10
1:56:34feet tall in the ancient Hebrew text.
1:56:37Greek and Dead Sea Scrolls uh texts say
1:56:39four cubits in a span. So that's only 6
1:56:42and 1 half to 7 and 1/2 ft tall
1:56:43depending on how the cubit was defined.
1:56:46So that makes sense. So who knows?
1:56:49>> 9 to 10 is pretty big.
1:56:50>> Yeah, 910 is big. But if the Dead Sea
1:56:52Scrolls are correct, then it's only 6
1:56:54and 1/2 ft. So he's a basketball player.
1:56:55>> Yeah.
1:56:56>> You know, that's
1:56:57>> not even a really tall one.
1:56:58>> Yeah. You know, there's Who's the
1:57:00biggest basketball player now? How tall
1:57:02are they?
1:57:04>> There's there's a kid that's like 14
1:57:06that's almost 8 feet tall.
1:57:07>> What? [laughter]
1:57:09I don't know if it's going to make it to
1:57:09the NBA or anything, but
1:57:12>> just plop it in.
1:57:13>> Oh my god, that's so crazy. That's so
1:57:16big. So, you got to imagine
1:57:21>> But you got to imagine with technology.
1:57:22So, they're working right now on life
1:57:24extension technology and they've already
1:57:26figured out a way to reverse the age of
1:57:28skin cells and they're on their path to
1:57:30being able to stop human aging and maybe
1:57:33potentially even reverse it.
1:57:34>> If that technology becomes implemented,
1:57:36>> this kid's 79 now.
1:57:38>> Jeez,
1:57:39>> 20 years old, though. He's actually
1:57:40playing basketball, but
1:57:41>> jeez, huge.
1:57:43>> So, he's bigger than Goliath by a lot.
1:57:45He [laughter] Goliath would talk [ __ ]
1:57:46about him, write a story about he got
1:57:49his ass kicked by a basketball player.
1:57:52Uh but if you can imagine this
1:57:54technology being implemented in the
1:57:56future and then being refined and then
1:57:58getting to a point where they really
1:57:59have it mastered, you know, like like we
1:58:02have with so many medical interventions
1:58:04that we have today. You you could get to
1:58:06a point where someone could live to a
1:58:07thousand years or several thousand
1:58:08years. And if you're the king, of course
1:58:11you're going to want that technology.
1:58:12And you're also going to be very
1:58:14protected. So you're you don't have to
1:58:15worry about dying in other ways unless
1:58:17somebody usurps you.
1:58:19>> Yeah. So you can like the Samrian kings
1:58:22list and some of these like the Zeppy
1:58:24list. You look at that and you go what
1:58:26what are they saying? Like why why was
1:58:28this guy 6,000 years old? How did he how
1:58:31did he rule the country for 30,000
1:58:33years? That sounds insane. Yeah.
1:58:34>> But it doesn't sound insane if they
1:58:35master biological aging, which is not
1:58:38impossible.
1:58:40>> It's not impossible. Not only is it not
1:58:41impossible, they're actively working on
1:58:44technology that's going to allow that to
1:58:46happen in our lifetime. You think it's
1:58:48going to happen in our lives?
1:58:49>> 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.
1:58:52>> Human quest for immortality.
1:58:54>> Well, I don't think that's going to
1:58:55happen, but I think you're going to
1:58:56extend life. You're going to extend
1:58:58biological life in a significant manner.
1:59:00And maybe
1:59:02for the sake of looking at things
1:59:04through rosecolored glasses. Maybe
1:59:06that's a good thing. Yes.
1:59:07>> Because one of the things about humans
1:59:08is we barely have enough time to figure
1:59:11out how much of life is [ __ ]
1:59:15>> Yeah. while you're wrapped up in it. And
1:59:17then if you have responsibilities, you
1:59:19get married, you have a family, you have
1:59:21a mortgage, you have a bunch of there's
1:59:22no time to recognize how fruitless a lot
1:59:26of your thinking and behavior and how
1:59:28stupid a lot of the things that people
1:59:30concentrate on. But as you get older and
1:59:31older, you get better at it. I'm way
1:59:33better at it now than I was 20 years
1:59:34ago. Way better. Way better at life. I
1:59:38would imagine I'm going to be better
1:59:39still 20 years from now, unless I'm
1:59:41decrepit. So 20 years from now, I could
1:59:43be all worn out and like, you know, my
1:59:45back hurts and get off my lawn. You
1:59:48know, you get stupid.
1:59:49>> Not in my backyard,
1:59:50>> right? You get goofy. You get goofy
1:59:52because you get old and sad and, you
1:59:54know, you're not healthy anymore. But if
1:59:56you were 80 years old and healthy like a
1:59:59healthy 30-year-old,
2:00:00>> you're wise at that point.
2:00:01>> Yeah. Well, then you have immense amount
2:00:03of life experience.
2:00:04>> Totally.
2:00:05>> And then if you live under 100 years on
2:00:08top of that, you Oh my god, I was so
2:00:09stupid when I was 80. Back when I was
2:00:1180, I thought I had it nailed. But now
2:00:13that I'm 180, now I see.
2:00:15>> The question is, if your lifespan is
2:00:17expected to be 200 years, then do you
2:00:19work until you're 160? So, does it just
2:00:22expand the stages that we're all going
2:00:24through now and you just work longer?
2:00:26>> Well, it depends on what work is. So, if
2:00:28work is your love, why not, right? Like,
2:00:31if Yeah, it really depends on what work
2:00:33is. So, if it's hard labor, that doesn't
2:00:35sound fun. I don't want to be an 800y
2:00:36old roofer. That seems like, geez, my
2:00:39hands would be so lived to,200 years,
2:00:41you still got a long retirement.
2:00:43[laughter]
2:00:44>> Well, I think retirement's out the
2:00:45window if you can stay healthy. Cuz the
2:00:47whole idea of retirement is like, why
2:00:48are we retiring? We're retiring because
2:00:50we hate our jobs.
2:00:51>> Okay. Well, maybe if you loved your job,
2:00:53you wouldn't want to retire.
2:00:54>> Totally.
2:00:55>> You know, George Carlin died on the
2:00:56road. He died in a hotel room, I think,
2:00:58in Las Vegas.
2:00:59>> You know, and you hear lots of stories
2:01:01of people working their entire careers,
2:01:03retiring, and then promptly dying.
2:01:05>> Oh, yeah.
2:01:06>> Within six months, they have a heart
2:01:08attack and they die. And they had all
2:01:09these big plans and they just never see
2:01:11them through.
2:01:12>> Yeah. And they just feel like the end is
2:01:14near and that that the the creeping
2:01:16doom, the existential angst in the back
2:01:18of your head is probably contributing to
2:01:20a lot of your decay.
2:01:21>> Yeah.
2:01:21>> Because you've kind of like checked out.
2:01:23You know, that happens a lot with
2:01:24spouses. You know, the husband dies and
2:01:27the wife dies shortly thereafter. My
2:01:28grandparents, my my grandmother died and
2:01:30my grandfather died within a year.
2:01:32>> Yeah. Yep.
2:01:34>> That's what happens when the woman dies
2:01:35first.
2:01:36>> Yeah.
2:01:36>> Yeah. It's so much harder for the man to
2:01:39live without her. [laughter]
2:01:40>> Is it? Is it?
2:01:41>> Yeah, I think so.
2:01:42>> Why is that?
2:01:43>> I mean, if you think of the all the old
2:01:44widows, you know, the women live my
2:01:48grandpa died 15 years ago and my
2:01:50grandma's 93.
2:01:51>> She's still living. She's still going.
2:01:53>> That's interesting.
2:01:54>> You know, she knew how to cook for
2:01:55herself and clean and things like that.
2:01:57But had it been reversed, I'm not sure
2:01:59that he would have lived that long.
2:02:01>> Maybe.
2:02:02>> So,
2:02:03>> depends on the relationship. So, I've
2:02:05see a lot of relationships with older
2:02:07couples where the woman becomes like the
2:02:09caretaker.
2:02:10>> Yeah.
2:02:11>> I think dudes get dumber quicker when
2:02:13they get older. So, [laughter]
2:02:17>> no comment.
2:02:17>> They just worn out by the time they hit
2:02:1980. You know, a lot of times the wife
2:02:22tells them like, "Okay, you got you're
2:02:23right. You're right." And then they just
2:02:24like fall into that role where the wife
2:02:26is in charge of everything.
2:02:28>> Have you seen the stats of um the the
2:02:31expected lifespan of a man that's
2:02:33married versus not married? No,
2:02:35>> I Jamie, I don't know these off the top
2:02:36of my head, but they've done studies
2:02:38that talk about basically the lifespan
2:02:41extension that happens with men when
2:02:42they have a woman in their life.
2:02:44>> Is it longer?
2:02:45>> Yes.
2:02:45>> Interesting.
2:02:46>> Yeah.
2:02:46>> Well, then when there's no woman, then
2:02:48it's filled with cocaine and hookers.
2:02:50So, that takes years off your life
2:02:51>> and lots of burgers and beer, [laughter]
2:02:53you know, you're not eating a salad,
2:02:56>> right? Well, it's it's loneliness is
2:02:58worse than cigarette smoking. They found
2:02:59that.
2:03:00>> Totally.
2:03:00>> Yeah. Loneliness is like one of the
2:03:02worst things that can happen to people.
2:03:03Yep. And it, you know, really the term
2:03:06spirituality is is it's kind of tainted
2:03:09in a lot of ways because there's a lot
2:03:11of goofy people that use that. Like I'm
2:03:13not religious, but I'm spiritual. Like
2:03:15it's
2:03:16>> the term unfortunately has like a stink
2:03:18to it.
2:03:18>> Yeah.
2:03:19>> But there is a connection that we have
2:03:22to each other that's not as simple as we
2:03:27would like to think. Like we need each
2:03:29other. We need each other in very
2:03:31profound ways. And it's it's actually
2:03:34important for our survival.
2:03:36>> Yeah.
2:03:36>> And what that's why the worst thing they
2:03:38could do to you in prison is put you in
2:03:39solitary confinement.
2:03:40>> We are a pack animal.
2:03:41>> Yeah. Yeah. We're we're supposed to be
2:03:44connected to each other
2:03:45>> and it's not a preference thing. That's
2:03:47why when someone says like, "I'm a
2:03:48loner." I'm like, "Okay, well either
2:03:50you're the only one that's like that or
2:03:52you're full of [ __ ] or you like you want
2:03:54to pretend you're mysterious. You like
2:03:55to be alone." Like we like we attribute
2:03:57strength to that. Like oh, he doesn't
2:03:58need anybody. And it's so hard now to to
2:04:01build your tribe. You no longer live
2:04:03where your grandparents and your parents
2:04:04lived. You are out there on your own.
2:04:07You're spending hours on your phone. You
2:04:10have a community that you feel like is a
2:04:12community, but it's not. You don't have
2:04:14you don't have a [snorts] tribe anymore.
2:04:16>> Yeah. And then people find their own
2:04:17tribes and usually they're political.
2:04:19>> Yeah.
2:04:20>> Yeah. They get ideological or religious,
2:04:22you know.
2:04:23>> You want to fit in.
2:04:24>> Yeah.
2:04:25>> Yeah.
2:04:25>> Yeah. And that's what we do. I mean,
2:04:26that's why when you see so many people
2:04:29that are religious devotees, like, why
2:04:30are why are they willing to do that? Why
2:04:32are they willing to wear those clothes?
2:04:33Why are they willing to act that way?
2:04:34Well, it's because everyone's doing it
2:04:36and you want to be a part of it. And
2:04:37there's like some some good feeling of
2:04:39community to where everyone's kneeling
2:04:41at the same time and saying the same
2:04:43things. There's something to that that
2:04:45like is very profound totally with human
2:04:47beings. And if it's directed in the
2:04:49wrong way, it could be incredibly
2:04:51destructive. But if it's directed in the
2:04:53right way, if it w it's if it's real
2:04:57ceremony and real worship and real
2:05:01openness to the cosmos and to to God and
2:05:04to spirituality, like real true
2:05:07understanding, real connection with the
2:05:09universe, then it's probably a lot
2:05:12better than the way we're doing it.
2:05:14>> 10,000%. I think that's why the
2:05:17psychedelics are coming back in such a
2:05:19huge way. It's people It's people
2:05:21accessing that part of themselves that
2:05:23have been shut down their whole lives.
2:05:25>> Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up
2:05:26because I think that's the missing
2:05:27element and I think that's what probably
2:05:28was very prevalent in the ancient times.
2:05:31And um this is the work of Brian Mur
2:05:33Rescue. I'm sure you do you know about
2:05:35his stuff? The immortality key. Did you
2:05:37read that book?
2:05:38>> Yes, I did.
2:05:39>> So he I actually got super fortunate
2:05:41that um my family and I were in Greece
2:05:44when he was going to be in Greece. And
2:05:46so I got a tour of Illusis with him. He
2:05:49took me there
2:05:50>> and he showed me all the different
2:05:51places and it feels so strange. It feels
2:05:54so strange. Like you're you're standing
2:05:57in the place where these people had
2:05:59these Illusinian mystery ceremonies and
2:06:02it just feels weird. Like my family got
2:06:05a little weirded out cuz I was like
2:06:07holding on to I was like standing.
2:06:08>> Did it feel good?
2:06:09>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely good.
2:06:12>> Like like a connection.
2:06:13>> It felt [ __ ] strange. Like I was
2:06:15holding on. I was I had my hand on this
2:06:16wall and my daughter was like, "Are you
2:06:18okay?" I'm like, "I'm fine. I'm fine.
2:06:19I'm fine. I'm just I don't want to talk
2:06:20right now. I just want to like
2:06:21>> Yeah.
2:06:22>> sit here and try to soak this in.
2:06:23>> Like, is daddy upset? Like, no. No, no,
2:06:25no. Not upset. No. Like, cuz your dad's
2:06:28just like holding a [laughter] rock.
2:06:30>> It's a little destabilizing for a
2:06:32child."
2:06:32>> I know. Like, [laughter] is daddy okay?
2:06:34[snorts]
2:06:35They thought it was cool, too. But, you
2:06:37know, it's hard when you're 13 or 12.
2:06:40It's hard to like go, "Oh my god, what a
2:06:43special place." They're like, "Yep, old
2:06:45old stuff. What are we eating?"
2:06:47>> Rocks. Cool. [laughter] Yeah.
2:06:49>> Like we took him to the uh museum in
2:06:51Athens and one of my daughters loves
2:06:54museums. The other ones like couldn't be
2:06:56bothered. She was like bored by it all.
2:06:58But I was like this is crazy. Like these
2:07:00people lived 2,000 years ago and they
2:07:03made this stuff. Like you know how nuts
2:07:04this is? Like how did they do this? Like
2:07:06what were they doing? Like what was this
2:07:07society like? Like this is to be able to
2:07:10just see this the work of people that
2:07:13they've left behind and to just imagine
2:07:16the amount of time that's taken place
2:07:17and then you put yourself back
2:07:19>> into that timeline and like
2:07:22>> we just assume that this way that we are
2:07:25this is how people are because this is
2:07:27how people are today. It's so hard to
2:07:30put your mind into like what it's like
2:07:32and what it must have been like to live
2:07:34back then. If you go to places earlier
2:07:37this year I went to Easter Island and
2:07:39Peru and both of them are described as
2:07:42the [clears throat] navls of the world
2:07:44you know so they have these these origin
2:07:46myths in both of these places and when
2:07:49you're in these places you have
2:07:51different dreams you sleep really well
2:07:54you feel just good you feel like you're
2:07:57on peptides you know you just feel
2:07:59you're like oh my gosh I feel so healthy
2:08:01I feel healed and you it so the The land
2:08:05itself where they built a lot of these
2:08:07ancient places is powerful. You know, I
2:08:10don't I don't think it's a coincidence
2:08:12that we see the Moai and Easter Island
2:08:14built around this absolutely incredible
2:08:17place or Cusco, which is such a
2:08:19beautiful place that you see these stone
2:08:21walls. I think that they built there
2:08:22because of the energy that was there
2:08:24already.
2:08:25>> What do you think was before that?
2:08:27[clears throat]
2:08:28And like what is this timeline? How far
2:08:30does it go back? Like what is the origin
2:08:33of sophisticated civilization? Like what
2:08:35is the year? When does it all start
2:08:38happening?
2:08:39>> I wonder sometimes if the purpose of
2:08:42building structures like that is so
2:08:44people like you ask those questions.
2:08:48>> That's the whole point.
2:08:49>> Well, maybe
2:08:50>> is to is to blow our minds and get us to
2:08:54think about consciousness and the
2:08:58history of our species. The fact that
2:09:00we're sitting there having this
2:09:01conversation is because of the stones
2:09:03that were built who knows how long ago.
2:09:06>> Yeah.
2:09:06>> And maybe that was the point.
2:09:09>> It certainly could have been a part of
2:09:10the point because what we're doing today
2:09:13when we talk about our society being
2:09:15sick and superficial and silly. All of
2:09:19our structures are temporary
2:09:20>> and they're ugly.
2:09:21>> Well, some of them are cool looking. I
2:09:23think some are cool. [laughter]
2:09:25>> Some of them. Yeah,
2:09:26>> they're cool. They they're certainly not
2:09:28anchor watt cool.
2:09:29>> Yeah.
2:09:30>> You know, they're cool, but the the
2:09:32point is like they're all essentially
2:09:35temporary. A thousand years from now,
2:09:37none of them will exist. They will all
2:09:38be absorbed by the earth.
2:09:40>> And that's hard for people to
2:09:41understand. If you're walking through
2:09:42Manhattan, like this will always be
2:09:44here. Nope. Nope. Nope. It won't. It
2:09:47won't. If everybody just left
2:09:49>> and you came back 5,000 years from now,
2:09:51there wouldn't be [ __ ] here. Yeah.
2:09:52>> So then it leads me to this question.
2:09:54the timeline that we're looking at. If
2:09:56you're looking at pre flood timeline,
2:09:58you know, 11 12,000 years ago, things
2:09:59were sophisticated,
2:10:02>> maybe it's way longer than that. Because
2:10:04if if you have a 100,000 years of super
2:10:07sophisticated civilization, what what
2:10:09does that look like? Yep.
2:10:10>> What do people look like then?
2:10:12>> And this is one of the things that
2:10:13people are proposing when they
2:10:15>> look at anatomically modern human
2:10:17beings. So anatomically modern human
2:10:19beings and then not these Peru skulls
2:10:22but whatever just you and I are.
2:10:24>> They've pushed that back now to 1
2:10:26million years.
2:10:28>> So okay, why did it take so long before
2:10:31people just like you and I figured out
2:10:34agriculture, figured out civilization,
2:10:37figured out cities?
2:10:39>> What were we doing that whole time?
2:10:41>> What What was going on? And is it
2:10:43possible that it's just when you go back
2:10:46that far, you don't find anything? Y,
2:10:49>> you don't find anything. That seems more
2:10:52likely to me. And when you look at the
2:10:54immense
2:10:56erosion that uh Ben Van Kirkwick has
2:10:59pointed out to the really the older
2:11:01stones in Egypt where you can clearly
2:11:03see they've built on top of them on the
2:11:05outside and you see this intense erosion
2:11:07like this is tens of thousands of years
2:11:09of erosion. Well, what if it's a hundred
2:11:11thousand? What the [ __ ] is left? What if
2:11:13it's 200,000?
2:11:14>> What's left from a 100,000 years ago?
2:11:18Maybe some stones,
2:11:20myths, and spiritual traditions or
2:11:2310,000 years ago. The that's the only
2:11:25thing that makes it through cataclysms,
2:11:27the human stories, spiritual traditions,
2:11:30and these megalithic stones.
2:11:32>> And a real cataclysm. If you're talking
2:11:34about the destruction of civilization
2:11:37itself,
2:11:38how many of those people even know the
2:11:40stories? How many live? How many
2:11:41scholars survive the apocalypse? How
2:11:44many? I mean, we know that 70,000 years
2:11:48ago, the Toba volcano, the super
2:11:50volcano, wiped people out down to the
2:11:52point of I less than 100,000 people on
2:11:55Earth.
2:11:57>> Just 70,000 years ago,
2:11:58>> right?
2:11:59>> 100,000 people.
2:12:00>> We have been on the brink so many times.
2:12:02>> Can you imagine like one Eagles football
2:12:04game,
2:12:05>> right? Take that crowd. That's the
2:12:07entire population of Earth now.
2:12:09>> Yeah. Right. One packed UT game. That's
2:12:14everybody on Earth. And now we have to
2:12:16branch out and go to China and go to
2:12:18Africa and go everywhere. That's all the
2:12:21people on Earth.
2:12:22>> That just shows how amazing and
2:12:23resilient we are.
2:12:24>> Yeah. And also fragile. Yes. You know,
2:12:27and and also it really
2:12:31it really shines a light on the
2:12:32preposterous nature of the conventional
2:12:35timeline. It really does because it's
2:12:37like look guys, there's so much evidence
2:12:40that there's holes in the story.
2:12:41>> Yeah.
2:12:42>> At what point in time do you stop and
2:12:44say, "Look, there a lot of these people
2:12:47did great work and they made these
2:12:49conclusions based on the understanding
2:12:51that they had at the time. But as time
2:12:54has gone on, there's come a point where
2:12:56we have to reevaluate this. And if you
2:12:58don't reevaluate it, you're going to
2:13:00lose all the respect of the people that
2:13:01are paying attention." Totally. because
2:13:02there's too many people that are looking
2:13:04at this and saying, "Hey, no one's
2:13:07discounting or discrediting your work.
2:13:09No one's saying you're a bad person."
2:13:11You know, no one's saying you're an
2:13:12idiot. It's like this is what we knew
2:13:14back then. But to say that this is all
2:13:16we know and any new information, as
2:13:18profound as it might be, like 1.2
2:13:21kilometer structures underneath the
2:13:23Great Pyramids, like that doesn't mean
2:13:25that you're an idiot. It just means that
2:13:27this is an ongoing thing. It's not done.
2:13:30>> Yep. We haven't figured it out yet and
2:13:33we're not going to for a long ass time.
2:13:35This is a long trek and as LAR improves
2:13:38and as the radio tomography and all
2:13:41these different things that they come up
2:13:42with and then imagine the advances 10,
2:13:4520, 30 years from now in their ability
2:13:47to look like look at subsaharan Africa.
2:13:50Very little expedition's been done there
2:13:52and they're like what?
2:13:53>> Let's light our subsaharan Africa.
2:13:55>> There's whales there.
2:13:56>> I've seen the whales.
2:13:57>> Whales? Yeah. Okay, so
2:13:59>> they're incredible. What the [ __ ] You
2:14:00find whales in the desert. Okay, what
2:14:02else is out there? Is there a city under
2:14:04all that [ __ ] Like, what is that? Like,
2:14:06what what is in there?
2:14:09>> You know what's funny though? You can
2:14:11reveal cities under the jungle and
2:14:13nobody talks about it,
2:14:14>> right?
2:14:15>> You know, they they just did that in
2:14:17Cambodia and it's not headline news
2:14:20around the world that there are entire
2:14:21cities being found in the Amazon jungle
2:14:24or in Cambodia. It just is one quick
2:14:26headline and then everybody ignores it.
2:14:28Well, it's good for us because it it
2:14:30gives us great podcast content.
2:14:32[laughter]
2:14:32>> You know what I mean? It's like it's the
2:14:33only way people could find out about it.
2:14:35And again, it's science. The LAR scans
2:14:38of the Amazon are spectacular.
2:14:41>> Incredible.
2:14:41>> And you you look at it and you go, "Oh
2:14:42my god, there was probably millions of
2:14:44people living here. This is not like a
2:14:47bunch of tribal people that are shooting
2:14:49bows and arrows all the time. No,
2:14:50>> they were engineering the rainforest."
2:14:52>> Oh. Yeah. And it just the fact that more
2:14:57people aren't talking about this is a
2:14:59little stunning to me. But I just think
2:15:00they don't get informed. And then they
2:15:03also assume, you know, you see some
2:15:05YouTube headline that's got big fancy
2:15:08font and you know, people are older than
2:15:10we think. Like, oh, go on. [laughter] I
2:15:12went to Cambridge. [ __ ] off.
2:15:14>> And you have a lot of AI stuff out there
2:15:16that's just complete bogus.
2:15:17>> Yeah.
2:15:18>> You know, so you it's hard to know what
2:15:21uh what the truth is.
2:15:23>> Sure. And then there's a lot of weird
2:15:24stuff like the Sage Wall in Montana.
2:15:28I've watched some videos on that. I'm
2:15:29not convinced. I I think that might be a
2:15:32a weird geological formation.
2:15:35>> Yeah.
2:15:35>> But it doesn't look like it. Parts of it
2:15:38really look like it. Stack stones.
2:15:40>> I think that, you know, during the ice
2:15:42age in North America, it was an
2:15:44extremely harsh time with walls of ice,
2:15:48right? So if if the younger dus happened
2:15:50the way that I believe it happened,
2:15:53North America would have been just
2:15:55almost wiped clean. You know, if so, if
2:15:57there were ancient structures here, they
2:16:00probably didn't survive the way that
2:16:01they did in Egypt and other places like
2:16:03that.
2:16:03>> Certainly not under the glaciers, right?
2:16:05>> Cool. I just found
2:16:06>> what' you find.
2:16:07>> I see the middle of the desert here.
2:16:09>> Yeah.
2:16:09>> I'm going to zoom in. Desert. Desert.
2:16:12Desert. Desert.
2:16:14Desert. Right.
2:16:15>> Right. [clears throat] until
2:16:18>> Whoa.
2:16:20>> An ancient fortress.
2:16:22>> How old is it
2:16:22>> of draw? Why?
2:16:25No one knows what it [laughter] is.
2:16:27>> What?
2:16:28>> Yeah. They don't they they're assuming
2:16:30that maybe uh as a hiding place for Jews
2:16:33when they were being persecuted and and
2:16:34taken out of there. But according to
2:16:36this,
2:16:38no explanation. It's just in the middle
2:16:40of the desert.
2:16:42>> Whoa.
2:16:42>> Sand, straw, and clay.
2:16:44>> Whoa. Oh,
2:16:46>> just like look at the dunes. Imagine if
2:16:48it didn't just I'm blown away.
2:16:50>> Imagine deciding to build there.
2:16:52>> No, nowhere.
2:16:53>> Why did they build
2:16:53>> or what else is around it? You know
2:16:55what's hiding underneath next to it?
2:16:56>> God, what did it look like when it was
2:16:59first built? And what is it made out of?
2:17:01Sand
2:17:02>> stone. What is it made of?
2:17:03>> It said sand and clay.
2:17:05>> Wow.
2:17:05>> Which means it's probably It probably is
2:17:07newer.
2:17:08>> Yeah,
2:17:08>> sure. But I'm at my point is like it's
2:17:10hiding under the desert and then just in
2:17:12the middle of nowhere and no one I've
2:17:14never heard of it being brought up on
2:17:15here by anybody.
2:17:16>> One big sandstorm and that thing's gone,
2:17:17>> right?
2:17:18>> Buried.
2:17:19>> Look at all the sand.
2:17:21>> Well, the crazy thing is think that that
2:17:22sand was all jungle and before that it
2:17:24was ocean.
2:17:25>> I know.
2:17:26>> This it's so insane.
2:17:28>> Seeing the whales in the middle of the
2:17:29desert is a surreal experience.
2:17:31>> Surreal. Have you seen them in person?
2:17:33>> Yeah.
2:17:33>> Oh yeah.
2:17:34>> What is that? Like how close they let
2:17:36you get?
2:17:36>> Oh, you just walk right up to them.
2:17:38There's just like little rocks on the
2:17:40ground outlining the skeletons.
2:17:42>> Yeah.
2:17:43>> Wow.
2:17:44>> But it's, you know, when we were driving
2:17:45out there, they were they had security's
2:17:47concerns. So, we had a security car in
2:17:50front of ours, then ours, and one behind
2:17:51us.
2:17:52>> Look how bonkers that is.
2:17:53>> Yeah. It It looks like dragons.
2:17:56[laughter]
2:17:57It's just otherworldly. It's so neat.
2:18:00>> That's so crazy.
2:18:01>> It's a long drive, though. It's like a
2:18:02whole day.
2:18:03>> Well, the dragons thing is a weird one.
2:18:05Yeah,
2:18:06>> because there's uh this is one of the
2:18:08things that the view made fun of me of.
2:18:09He said he believes in dragons
2:18:11[laughter]
2:18:13was saying that. So I put I changed all
2:18:14of the headings of my social media
2:18:16account. Dragon believer. That's what
2:18:17[laughter]
2:18:19Cuz I'm like that's so funny.
2:18:20>> Yeah. You and millions of other people
2:18:23around the world and almost every
2:18:25ancient civilization
2:18:26>> Yeah.
2:18:26>> believed in dragons.
2:18:28>> It's very odd. It's very odd that they
2:18:30all have this story of these ancient
2:18:31serpents. Uh but but also they were
2:18:35really bad at their depictions of actual
2:18:39things. And um one of the things that I
2:18:41pointed out to Jamie was when I visited
2:18:43Italy a few years ago, I went to this
2:18:46really old church and they had this uh
2:18:50stone mosaic artwork that was of Noah
2:18:53and uh was it Noah and the whale?
2:18:56>> No, Jonah.
2:18:57>> Jonah. Jonah and the whale. I think
2:18:59that's what it was. But this whale does
2:19:01not look like a whale. It looks really
2:19:03weird. It's this really weird looking
2:19:06thing that's supposed to represent a
2:19:07whale. Why? Because they never saw a
2:19:09whale. So like they're they're making
2:19:11their own version of what a whale
2:19:13stories,
2:19:14>> right?
2:19:14>> Yeah.
2:19:15>> See if you can find that. I know it's on
2:19:17my Instagram. Super old. I think it was
2:19:19probably 10 years ago.
2:19:21>> Um but whatever the [ __ ] that is like,
2:19:24okay, that's how they That's it. Like
2:19:26look at that thing. [laughter] Ain't
2:19:27that dope?
2:19:28>> That doesn't look like a whale,
2:19:29>> right? at all. Right.
2:19:30>> But
2:19:31>> looks like a griffin.
2:19:32>> Yeah. It looks like some kind of a
2:19:35monster that lives in the ocean. So this
2:19:37is like their version of describing what
2:19:40a whale looks like. Right.
2:19:42>> So when they're describing dragons, like
2:19:46what are they really describing? Do they
2:19:48actually fly or we or are we talking
2:19:49about like crocodiles? Like what are we
2:19:51talking about? Are we talking about like
2:19:53some sort of extinct dinosaurs that
2:19:55survived and then, you know, they only
2:19:58made it for a few thousand years ago?
2:20:00Because there's things that we know
2:20:01existed during the human timeline that
2:20:04they just don't exist anymore. They went
2:20:05extinct. Yeah. You know, giant sloths,
2:20:07for instance, is a bunch of North
2:20:09American animals. 65% in fact, of all
2:20:12North American megapa didn't make it
2:20:15after the younger dus impact.
2:20:16>> Yep.
2:20:17>> So, what what is what is the serpent?
2:20:20What is the dragon? Like what? Why is
2:20:22why does China have one? Why does Japan
2:20:23have one? Why does Eastern European have
2:20:25one? Why why does so many ancient
2:20:27cultures talk about this one specific
2:20:30thing?
2:20:31>> Yeah.
2:20:31>> And the Bible references it like 34
2:20:34times.
2:20:35>> What's interesting though is in most of
2:20:37the ancient civilizations, the serpents
2:20:40or the dragons are meant to be guardian
2:20:42figures, right? So they were presented
2:20:44in a positive light. They weren't evil,
2:20:46right?
2:20:46>> But in the Bible, the serpent is
2:20:48actually the trickster,
2:20:50>> you know? So it's it's one of the only
2:20:52traditions in [clears throat] the
2:20:54ancient world where the the serpent is s
2:20:57it's suggested that the serpent is evil
2:20:59evil
2:21:00>> in Adam and Eve in that depiction.
2:21:03>> You know he tricked Eve.
2:21:04>> Yeah.
2:21:04>> But in front of all of the temples in
2:21:06Cambodia there are giant naga which is
2:21:08like the seven or nine headed snakes and
2:21:11they guard the liinal space between the
2:21:13outside world and the temples. So that
2:21:16that's their purpose right? They're
2:21:18there. When you see a naga, it means
2:21:20you're entering um you're entering a
2:21:23temple. You're entering the zone of the
2:21:25gods. So, it was always positive except
2:21:28for in ancient Christianity.
2:21:30>> Yes. The King James version is [snorts]
2:21:32the version that says dragon, but it's
2:21:34uh probably a translation issue maybe.
2:21:36>> Ah, interesting. So, sea monster,
2:21:38serpent translated in many modern
2:21:40versions as jackal, sea creature, or
2:21:42monster depending on the context. A
2:21:45dragon often renders Hebrew terms like
2:21:48tanin, which is a sea monster, a
2:21:51serpent, interesting,
2:21:52>> fire breathing reptiles.
2:21:54>> But it's just like what were they? Like
2:21:57why were there so many versions of this?
2:21:59Was that a real thing? And is it a real
2:22:02thing from 11,000 years ago? Is it a
2:22:04real thing from 20,000 years ago, 50,000
2:22:06years ago? And again, when when it comes
2:22:09to the fossil record, like how much
2:22:11evidence would there be of that thing
2:22:12existing,
2:22:13>> right? They didn't even find dinosaurs
2:22:15until like what the 1700s or something,
2:22:18>> right? Yeah.
2:22:19>> Whenever it was. And then there's a lot
2:22:21of people that think dinosaurs are fake,
2:22:22which is fun. [laughter]
2:22:24>> There's all sorts of rabbit holes you
2:22:25can go down.
2:22:26>> It's a flat fun. Well, they have a point
2:22:30in that uh a lot of what you go to see
2:22:32in the museum is not an actual dinosaur
2:22:34skeleton. It's a recreation.
2:22:35>> Totally.
2:22:36>> Yeah. Because the actual skeletons are
2:22:38probably somewhere else. That is a fact.
2:22:40And then it's also the fact that they
2:22:42take like portions of it and then they
2:22:44recreate what's missing and then create
2:22:46a skeleton.
2:22:47>> Make a lot of assumptions.
2:22:48>> Yeah, there's a lot of assumptions.
2:22:49Yeah.
2:22:50>> Well, this is why um in um the the
2:22:53science museum in Bosezeman, Montana, we
2:22:56talked about this before. I went there
2:22:58with my kids once and they have a raptor
2:23:00and on one side of the raptor it's what
2:23:02we think of like from Jurassic Park that
2:23:05it had like scaly skin like a lizard and
2:23:08the other side it's covered in feathers.
2:23:09the bird,
2:23:09>> which is Yeah, this is the alternative
2:23:11perspective.
2:23:12>> This is Gus, the most complete uh
2:23:15dinosaur type T-Rex skeleton. 61%
2:23:18complete and it is for sale right now.
2:23:20>> Oh, how much does that cost?
2:23:22>> You want to guess?
2:23:22>> 20 million.
2:23:23>> Yeah. No, no. More. [laughter] More.
2:23:24>> You're taking It's the bids are going
2:23:26up.
2:23:26>> 80 million.
2:23:27>> Yeah. I mean, that's the I think the
2:23:28expected is somewhere in the 65 to 80
2:23:30million range.
2:23:31>> Whoa. And 60% complete.
2:23:34>> 61%. Yeah.
2:23:35>> So, that means you're getting 39%
2:23:36[ __ ] when you buy it. I don't I
2:23:38think they've just left some of it out.
2:23:40I don't know that they filled it in all.
2:23:42>> Oh, okay. So, that's what's left. That's
2:23:44actually what's So, there's some stuff
2:23:45missing. Doesn't look like
2:23:46>> his little arms.
2:23:48>> He does. They're right there.
2:23:49>> See, there's some
2:23:51>> Okay. Some Some stuff ribs and [ __ ]
2:23:54>> That looks pretty
2:23:55>> I don't know. It looks pretty complete.
2:23:56[laughter] That looks pretty complete.
2:23:58That's sick. There was a house that I
2:24:00looked at that was for sale in uh Malibu
2:24:03once and um in the house they it came
2:24:06with a dinosaur. If you paid an extra
2:24:08million dollars, you get to keep the
2:24:09dinosaur.
2:24:10>> Really?
2:24:10>> Yeah. They had a raptor skeleton.
2:24:12>> That seems expensive.
2:24:13>> It was a little high. A little high.
2:24:15[laughter] Well, the house was a little
2:24:16high. It was It's probably worth 50
2:24:18bucks now. Nobody wants to live there.
2:24:20>> I think a lot of times about what it
2:24:21would feel like to be hunted from the
2:24:23sky,
2:24:24>> right? The pterodactyls. Sometimes
2:24:26you'll be hiking in the desert and
2:24:27you'll see a, you know, a hawk will fly
2:24:28over you and you'll get that shadow.
2:24:30>> Yeah.
2:24:31>> And just imagine if it's just this
2:24:32massive hunter just coming for you.
2:24:35There's nothing you can do,
2:24:36>> right? When did those die off, too?
2:24:39>> Gus has some bite marks on his ribs.
2:24:41>> Whoa,
2:24:43that's crazy. I wonder if that's
2:24:45postmortem.
2:24:46>> Fossilized bite marks.
2:24:48>> Yeah, that could have been somebody
2:24:49scavenging them.
2:24:50>> Yeah, could have been. So, Trinity. So
2:24:53the So uh it's valued between 20 million
2:24:56and 30 million. The highest pre-sale
2:24:58estimate ever placed on a dinosaur at
2:25:00auction.
2:25:01>> Yeah. I think there's already some
2:25:02higher bids than that though currently.
2:25:04>> I bet there's a lot of dorks out there
2:25:05with a lot of money. [laughter] Want
2:25:07that [ __ ] in their house next week.
2:25:09>> People love to touch history.
2:25:10>> Yeah. Elon's probably going to have that
2:25:12[ __ ] at SpaceX.
2:25:14>> Oh, do you do you want to touch some
2:25:16history?
2:25:16>> Yeah, sure. Yeah.
2:25:18>> Okay. I brought you a little show and
2:25:21tell.
2:25:22>> Okay.
2:25:22Oo, exciting.
2:25:25>> So, I grew up in western Nebraska on a
2:25:28giant corn farm.
2:25:31This is called a Jimmy Allen point.
2:25:35This is 9,500 years old.
2:25:38>> Wow.
2:25:39>> It's a spear point. So, it was being
2:25:41chipped basically when Gobeclet was at
2:25:44the height of its building.
2:25:48>> Wow.
2:25:48>> 8,500 to 9,500 years old.
2:25:51My grandpa had a load of rock delivered
2:25:54to his house and that was in it. So they
2:25:57would dredge this this river rock from
2:26:00the rivers, the Plat River, and deliver
2:26:02it to your house. And he found that in
2:26:04his yard.
2:26:05>> Holy [ __ ]
2:26:07>> Isn't that an incredible experience?
2:26:09>> That's amazing.
2:26:10>> To touch it.
2:26:11>> That's amazing. I don't know how old
2:26:13this one is, but this is from here.
2:26:17>> Oh, yes.
2:26:19That's a pretty good one. This is
2:26:20actually better. This one's really good.
2:26:23>> That one's substantially older than
2:26:24this.
2:26:25>> Yeah,
2:26:25>> I bet this is 2,000 years old. That
2:26:28one's almost 10.
2:26:29>> That's crazy.
2:26:30>> So, I'm going to show you something
2:26:31else. It's just a part of one, but this
2:26:34is part of a fulsome point.
2:26:37>> Which is 12,700 years old. So, that was
2:26:41>> definitely
2:26:43created to hunt something that's
2:26:44extinct. Now [laughter]
2:26:47>> you can see the flute up the middle and
2:26:49the look at the work on the sides of it.
2:26:51>> Wow.
2:26:54That's crazy.
2:26:56>> It's the most incredible stone work. And
2:26:59you see that over time it went from
2:27:01Clovis to Fulsome and then down the line
2:27:03to to points like this and it just, you
2:27:06know, became Yeah. So th those are This
2:27:09would have looked like that if it was
2:27:11full.
2:27:11>> Wow. You're seeing the central flute on
2:27:14this one. But both of these were found
2:27:17out on my farm.
2:27:18>> That's pretty amazing.
2:27:19>> Yeah. I saw you talking to Taylor
2:27:21Sheridan about arrowheads and I thought
2:27:23to myself, I wonder if Joe would like to
2:27:25hold a 9,500y old spear point.
2:27:28>> I did love it. Thank you. Thank
2:27:29[laughter] you for letting me hold that.
2:27:30That's pretty dope. It's pretty
2:27:32incredible too when you think about the
2:27:33history of North America that when
2:27:37Europe and China and all these other
2:27:39parts of the world had developed
2:27:41sophisticated
2:27:43civilizations and machines and all these
2:27:46different things. And these people were
2:27:47living a very nomadic hunter gatherer
2:27:51life
2:27:52>> like essentially in the stone age all
2:27:54the way up to the 16 1700s until
2:27:58>> except for some of the mounts. So some
2:28:00of the mound structures like in
2:28:02Louisiana, I think those are about 9,000
2:28:05years old. Really,
2:28:06>> I believe. And those are massive
2:28:07platforms, right? Like earthworks that
2:28:10are almost at least unexplainable for
2:28:12why they would have built them.
2:28:14>> Do you think flood?
2:28:16>> I don't I don't think any of them have
2:28:17been dated to pre flood.
2:28:19>> So this is post flood, whoever was here.
2:28:23>> So if people lived here, so the White
2:28:26Sands, New Mexico footprints are all pre
2:28:28flood. That's
2:28:29>> 23,000. Yep.
2:28:30>> Um, one thing that's interesting is
2:28:32those people were barefoot, right? So,
2:28:35the question is like what was
2:28:38sophisticated civilization like in North
2:28:41America then? Because it seems like
2:28:42North America in particular because of
2:28:45the fact that up until 11,000 years ago
2:28:48was covered in ice. Most of North
2:28:50America was covered in like a mile high
2:28:52of ice. It's so hard for us to think.
2:28:55>> Chicago gone.
2:28:56>> Can you imagine?
2:28:57>> Yeah. Gone. Montana gone. Yeah.
2:29:00Everything's gone. Colorado gone.
2:29:02Everything's completely covered in a
2:29:05mile of ice.
2:29:06>> And then 11,000 years ago, it all goes
2:29:08away real quick.
2:29:09>> And then you have the Great Lakes.
2:29:11>> Yeah. Which is so strange. And then if
2:29:14you look at Randall Carlson's done an
2:29:16amazing job of like sort of illuminating
2:29:19like what kind of a mass of water it
2:29:23would have sent rushing through the
2:29:26entire country.
2:29:27>> Yeah. at the time that these things were
2:29:29almost instantaneously melted. Like how
2:29:31insane that must have been if huge
2:29:34asteroidal impacts slammed into these
2:29:37ice caps.
2:29:38>> Here's what two miles of ice looks like
2:29:39next to a city.
2:29:40>> Oh my god, [laughter]
2:29:45[gasps]
2:29:46that's so crazy that that everything
2:29:50that we see when you drive through
2:29:51Kansas and Nebraska and Iowa, all that
2:29:54was under all that.
2:29:55>> Yeah. My husband's from North Idaho and
2:29:57you can see the all of the ancient
2:29:59remains of these lakes, you know, these
2:30:01ice dams that burst.
2:30:02>> Yeah.
2:30:03>> Just float over the landscape. And I
2:30:05think Randall Carlson is especially
2:30:07gifted in describing these events. Yeah.
2:30:10>> Making it real for us.
2:30:11>> Well, he's obsessed and he spent so much
2:30:14when I met him. I met him in Georgia. I
2:30:17did a show in Atlanta and I met him like
2:30:192005 or something like that and he was
2:30:20explaining it to me back then and I and
2:30:23I had never heard that before. I was
2:30:24like, "What?" Like that was my first
2:30:26introduction to the younger d impact
2:30:29theory and that's when it started
2:30:30putting all the pieces together. Okay,
2:30:32well that's what ended civilization.
2:30:34That's and that and now that we know
2:30:37that that's a real event because of core
2:30:40samples because the you know they've
2:30:42been find they find layers of vidium
2:30:44which is very common in space very rare
2:30:46on earth and these microdiamonds that
2:30:48appear when you have impacts
2:30:50>> the black mat.
2:30:51>> Yeah.
2:30:52>> They know that it happened. So, some big
2:30:54events happened. I think they think
2:30:5711,800 years ago, and they think again
2:30:59like 10,000 years ago. They think it
2:31:01happened more than once.
2:31:02>> Yeah.
2:31:02>> Would kind of make sense that it took so
2:31:03long for civilization to reemerge?
2:31:06>> Yeah. And the question is, did that
2:31:09civilization that was alive at the time
2:31:11know that it was coming?
2:31:12>> Right.
2:31:13>> And what did they do to prepare?
2:31:15>> Right. Or could they have even?
2:31:17>> And did they know that probably the only
2:31:19thing that was going to be left after
2:31:21that is stone? M.
2:31:23>> So what is encoded in that stone for us
2:31:25to read today?
2:31:28>> Yeah, that's the weirdness of um things
2:31:30like Egypt when you look at the pyramids
2:31:33and the dimensions and how the
2:31:35dimensions align with the
2:31:37>> you know the the dimensions of earth and
2:31:39the distances to the moon and yeah it's
2:31:41all the whole thing is very weird.
2:31:44>> It's very weird.
2:31:45>> It doesn't seem like coincidence.
2:31:46>> No,
2:31:47>> it seems like they knew exactly what
2:31:49they were doing. And what is the you
2:31:51know the one language that's going to
2:31:53survive? Geometry, math, right?
2:31:56Astrology,
2:31:57>> right? It's universal
2:31:58>> stones are the things that are going to
2:31:59survive. Myths,
2:32:01right? So that it's a it's messages
2:32:04being passed down to us today and now
2:32:07people are looking and paying attention
2:32:08and it just it's it's a complete
2:32:11obsession for me. I don't know how
2:32:13anybody thinks of anything else besides
2:32:15ancient history. [laughter]
2:32:17>> Once I get into it, I feel the same way.
2:32:19>> Amazing. Yeah, I mean
2:32:20>> it's too amazing. It
2:32:22>> It's certainly a puzzle and uh if it
2:32:24wasn't for people like you and other
2:32:26people that are doing similar things,
2:32:28most people would be very blissfully
2:32:30unaware of how nuts the the actual
2:32:33physical history of the earth is.
2:32:35>> Yeah. Yep. And you know, until recently,
2:32:40a lot of this, first of all, people
2:32:41couldn't travel around the world. They
2:32:43couldn't
2:32:45they couldn't read scripts that weren't
2:32:47in their language. Archaeologists were
2:32:49exploring sites and their papers were
2:32:51going to the universities. And so we
2:32:53didn't have the opportunity to see these
2:32:56global patterns the way that we do now.
2:32:58To to link, okay, I see the same thing
2:33:00in Egypt that I see in India. Like this
2:33:03thousand ton statue is in India and it's
2:33:06also in Egypt. What about these walls?
2:33:08They're the same. I don't think it was
2:33:10as easy to do that back in the day. you
2:33:12know, even the people that were deep
2:33:13into the research in Egypt in the 1800s,
2:33:16they weren't traveling to Peru. So, we
2:33:19are at a very unique time in history
2:33:21where we can look across all of it,
2:33:23especially in the next 10 years when
2:33:25we're leveraging AI and other
2:33:27technologies from space-based scanning
2:33:29or whatever. I I think it's going to
2:33:31fundamentally change the way that we
2:33:33view the history of the world.
2:33:35>> I think so, too. And so, thank you.
2:33:37Thank you for being here. Thank you for
2:33:39your channel. And uh thank you for all
2:33:41your interest in this because it's uh
2:33:43absolutely fascinating.
2:33:44>> Thank you for having me on. This was so
2:33:45fun.
2:33:46>> My pleasure. Let's do it again.
2:33:47>> Okay. Love that.
2:33:48>> All right. Thank you. Bye everybody.
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