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0:03three two one stir it up Nick we're live
0:09hello everyone hello everyone put the
0:13ear cups on and cheers sir oh man thank
0:16you Joe thanks for being here ma'am yeah
0:17thank you for bringing me out here man I
0:19know we meant to do this before but I
0:21hope now with all this good energy
0:23between us we can do this properly for
0:25ya
0:26yeah for sure listen man to say that
0:29you've had a crazy experience in this
0:31life is one of the most understated
0:35things a person could ever say I mean
0:38where do we begin right let's tell
0:41everybody your story so you were
0:43wrongfully committed of murder you spent
0:4622 years on death row before you were
0:50exonerated by DNA evidence hello
0:55everyone my name is Nick Harris and I
0:58was eggs Joe said convicted and
1:01sentenced to die for a rape and murder I
1:04didn't commit at the age of 21 in 1981 a
1:07woman named mrs. Craig was murdered in
1:12Delaware I had never met the woman I was
1:15in prison on unrelated charges
1:17and I stupidly made up a story to try
1:19and get out of those charges the police
1:22soon feel realized that I was a liar and
1:24they fabricated the charges around me
1:27then so it's ironic then in a few days
1:30you're going up or Darby Pennsylvania
1:31and yeah that's where the murder
1:34happened really basically and Linda Mae
1:37Craig was leaving her job at 4:05 p.m.
1:39on December 15 1981 she's going home she
1:43gets abducted I don't know any of this
1:45but I tried in desperation to get out of
1:47a lie that this officer put on me frog I
1:49got pulled over in a stolen car the cop
1:52beats me up he puts charges on me I'm
1:54facing life imprisonment and I'm a
1:56junkie because all of my life I was
1:59destroyed by what happened to me at the
2:00age of seven I had my head beaten him by
2:03a man with a rock in his hand after he
2:06sexually assaulted me and I did all the
2:09stupid things that people can do in the
2:11aftermath I kept it a secret
2:13I let it foster all their anger and me I
2:15became very aggressive as a child and I
2:17ended up in trouble all the time and
2:20when I was in prison on these unrelated
2:23charges to the murder
2:24I stupidly fell into that mindset of
2:27desperation of trying to get out of it
2:29so the police put a prisoner in the cell
2:31next to me he said I confessed to him I
2:34was given a three-day trial I was
2:37sentenced to death and put on death row
2:39and then stupidly I escaped from prison
2:43in 1985 and end up on the FBI's most
2:45wanted list I have to get out I was
2:49being transported to court and the
2:52sheriff's were being cool with me at
2:53first they were talking about what was
2:56going on in Philly they were two nice
2:58guys like 60s 68 67 and we drove five
3:04hours from one of the hardest prisons in
3:06America called Huntington and I left
3:08there after spending two years of my
3:11first two years in silence so if you
3:13opened your mouth they would come in and
3:15beat your head in so I was so glad to
3:18get in the car cuz my mom was waiting in
3:19my lawyer's office because they were
3:21gonna give me a review of my trial
3:24because they withheld so much evidence
3:26so I was eager to go to court and it was
3:28the coldest day of 1985 February 15th we
3:33stopped at a gas station in in Exton
3:36Pennsylvania and as I got out of the car
3:39the officer driving pulled past the
3:41cubicles now we all got out of the car
3:44and ran over to the cubicle together and
3:46I went in and started peeing and
3:48officers holding the door for me and my
3:51eyeglasses start fogging up you know
3:53what I mean because you go from the
3:55freezing cold to the warm to the cold
3:57your eyeglasses so all I know is I turn
3:59around and I come out and he has the
4:01door like that and I put my head down go
4:04under his arm and I turned left and go
4:06back to the car and the dude smoke a
4:08cigarette doesn't know that his partner
4:10went a cubicle to piss and as I'm
4:13running back to the dude he pulls his
4:15pistol out and point-blank shoots at me
4:17Joe like oh and as it went past my face
4:20I was like oh [ __ ] I hit the ground I
4:23ran
4:24and he's found me with the gun I could
4:26feel it like I'm like I was waiting from
4:28the blast me you know cuz he thought
4:30that overpowered his partner he doesn't
4:34know his testimony at trial was I turn
4:36around Nick's running at me and my
4:38partner's down are gone I pulled my gun
4:40and he runs and I I wasn't gonna let a
4:42death-row prisoner run so I've tried to
4:44stop on my shot so I run around the
4:47corner I hit the ground I ripped all the
4:49skin off my hands I've run around the
4:51corner and I fly towards this restaurant
4:54and there's all these people innocently
4:55eating dinner and I'm running right
4:58towards the plate-glass window cuz he
4:59ain't gonna blast me you know and I ran
5:01like I knew he couldn't shoot and and I
5:03shot around the corner and I ran down to
5:05a gas station I tried to steal car that
5:08didn't work then I ran for like 400
5:10yards 400 yards 400 yards and I hid
5:13behind the car I just escaped from and I
5:16was laying in the weeds behind the gas
5:17station about 50 yards from him whatever
5:19screaming who was the bigger idiot for
5:21letting this happen and I was thinking
5:23oh my god like what am i doing what do i
5:25do Joe what like how do I just jump up
5:27and say wait a minute it was a mistake
5:29you know they already tried to shoot me
5:30in the face so I go hide behind the
5:33police station and next four hours oh my
5:35god I'm Jane pate chased by a helicopter
5:38and he chases me and he pins me and he
5:41chases me and I was so fit that I ran
5:45for four hours through the woods would I
5:46care what the branches did to my face or
5:48nothing man
5:49I blew out both quads I did my my
5:52hamstrings I ripped my feet open I ran
5:55so hard in terror that I didn't care man
5:57and I got away and III made it all the
6:00way to Florida and I was going to lead
6:01the country in all this and I said I got
6:04to go back how did you get to Florida I
6:05stole the dude's wallet New York and I
6:07got on an airplane and I went down to
6:09Florida and I tried to rob a drug dealer
6:11and I tried to just go sitting there so
6:14angry I was gonna kill myself I was on
6:17I'll never forget this day I didn't want
6:22my folks to see me in prison handcuffs
6:23no more you know so I was gonna buy a
6:26raft and I was gonna go out the ocean
6:27and I was gonna have one last party but
6:29all the foods that I loved then I was
6:31gonna stab the raft wait for the Sharks
6:34after I cut my wrists you know and then
6:36I was going to cap myself and go
6:38then I said no I'm going back so I
6:40turned myself back in they put me on
6:42death row in Florida and I went back and
6:45I faced it you know say beat me for four
6:48minutes and they broke my face broke my
6:51back crushed me man tortured me and I
6:56thought I'm gonna get you back you know
6:59for all the days you made me go in a
7:00cage and beat some other prisoner while
7:03you stood there with a club laughing I'm
7:05gonna get you back I'm gonna make sure I
7:07start being a loving person again so I'm
7:11sitting there in 1985 1986 with a
7:14hundred and five years plus a death
7:16penalty and I decided [ __ ] this gonna be
7:20a nice guy so I started to learn okay
7:26I suffer from aphasia I had my head
7:29beaten in with a rock so that what is
7:30aphasia aphasia can be identified simply
7:33in people who have stuttering disorder
7:35their brain and they're for the
7:38vernacular abilities are distorted by a
7:41disruption in their brain either their
7:43brain is functioning too fast or their
7:45mouth is functioning too fast there's a
7:47combination of a misfiring and aphasia
7:51can be through trauma or through
7:54genetics an aphasia affected my life so
7:57much as a young person I never had the
7:58respect to listen to people because I
8:00couldn't function
8:01I couldn't articulate I couldn't speak
8:03when I was at trial people spoke words
8:05that I didn't understand and it
8:08frustrated me and when I tried to speak
8:10and I stutter people would be like dad
8:12come on [ __ ] what he got to say so
8:15after that beaten where they beat me for
8:18four minutes and he broke the face I
8:21began practicing speaking to myself
8:25every day I learned new words and I
8:29taught myself how to correctly
8:31articulate that word into a sentence
8:33beautifully for my own self in my cell
8:37every day and then I became very very
8:42good at writing I began helping other
8:46prisoners I became the most dangerous
8:48prisoner that they held because I
8:51heard about other men I wrote to their
8:52mothers I wrote letters to their lawyers
8:54I gave up opportunities for people to
8:57write books about me so I could help
8:58another innocent man I did all those
9:00things because that's how I got back at
9:02him for they did to me so in 1988 I'm
9:07sitting in my cell and I read about DNA
9:09and I knew right then I could prove my
9:12innocence so I was the first man in
9:14America in February of 1988 to ask for
9:17DNA testing to prove my innocence
9:19and they threw away all at autopsy
9:22material and when I discovered new
9:24evidence they destroyed that and this
9:26woman who came to meet me and start
9:28visiting me fell in love with me and she
9:30believed in me so she stood by me and
9:32told me that she would be with me either
9:36to the gallows walk or to the moment I
9:38proved medicines and for nine years she
9:41stood by me you know and finally we
9:45found some evidence that was testable in
9:471995 what is what was the evidence it
9:50was sperm from the rape and it was being
9:53sent out here to California to dr.
9:55Deborah Blake and it broke open and
9:58transport and spilled so Jackie left me
10:03had nothing left and then they put me in
10:06a special unit and he started torturing
10:09me I keep this part quiet I never told
10:12the story it would ruin what happened in
10:14fear of 13 it's now out on Netflix but
10:18they finally closed down the old prison
10:21I was in for 12 years where the average
10:24rate of survival is only 5 and I was one
10:27hard as Jews there and I made it they
10:30closed the prison down and open up Green
10:32County Supermax and the courts ordered
10:34that every prisoner in Pennsylvania be
10:36allowed out of their cell for 8 hours
10:37the administration looked at each
10:40other's had [ __ ] that not too crazy
10:42cannibals and not the serial killers not
10:44the dudes that have been assault and
10:46raping each other so they picked 48 F of
10:49us out and they put us in Pittsburgh and
10:50a special penitentiary setting in which
10:53we were in a sealed unit and they put
10:56all these guards in there they weren't
10:58allowed to touch other prisoners because
10:59they were so violent and told him there
11:01were giving you the craziest of the
11:02crazy you know buff
11:05low Bill from Silence of the lamb was a
11:07real man right his name was Gary Hyde
11:09Nick he abducted black women in
11:11Philadelphia and put him in a pit under
11:12his house and fed one of them to the
11:14other survivors because he was building
11:15a master race he was my neighbor man
11:18like so they started torturing us and
11:21doing all this psychological crazy
11:22should do is where they were feeding us
11:24to each other like wolves so I kept it
11:27all quiet until this year when once
11:30again misfortune fell in my life and I
11:32released monsters am Edmund a new book
11:34that I was going to give you today and I
11:36thought you know I gotta tell that story
11:38you know but it's been so hard to come
11:41back from these moments Joe it's just
11:43like I look at what they did to me and
11:46how I went to that moment where the DNA
11:48is gone Jackie leaves me and so I find
11:53out I'm dying from hepatitis C that they
11:56did when they infected me of it when
11:59they broke my teeth when they beat me so
12:03I asked to be executed I said I studied
12:08all the world's religions I read over
12:109000 books I did everything in piety my
12:13mother asked me to do us in prison died
12:18like Dale Carter did with the cards
12:22coming to his cell and taunting them you
12:24know teasing him and listen to a man
12:27screaming agony cuz the bio and his
12:29belly's killing him so I wrote to the
12:32courts and I asked to be executed I say
12:34[ __ ] it man I want to die as a man I
12:39love who can respect himself the court
12:44intervened and ordered the DNA testing
12:46that was going to be done on evidence is
12:48spelled in July of 2003 the DNA CH has
12:54come back and he proved me innocent
12:55how did so the the the evidence spilled
12:58and they just captured it once it
13:00spilled it was in a box with all this
13:03evidence and dr. Edward Blake who did Oh
13:06Jay Simpson trial DNA said that there
13:08would be challenges to it if he did the
13:10DNA in 1999 1998 in 2003 they had
13:14advanced mitochondrial DNA separation so
13:17well that he felt confident
13:18and his results so the federal court got
13:21involved and said look I don't want to
13:23have this man executed I want the DNA
13:25done so they did that and it was amazing
13:28that on the day that I called her
13:31lawyers they revealed a truth to me
13:33I called his lawyer and I'm like what's
13:36go he goes Nick we got DNA from three
13:39separate sources that prove you innocent
13:41I said that's amazing Mike I I'm really
13:47grateful because you know we used to
13:49tell people you're crazy that we never
13:51believed in you I'm really sorry for
13:53that man really you want to take my joy
13:59now man so I was really down cast at the
14:03day I called my mother my brother Mike
14:05he was having a seizure at her feet
14:06because he was an alcoholic at the
14:08default roof and he died shortly after
14:10so it just went [ __ ] crazy from there
14:14they take me off death row
14:16and they put me in a psychological cell
14:19and they tell me they can't trust me
14:22that no human being who has had done to
14:26them what we've done to you cannot be
14:28angry if we opened this door up and we
14:31let you out you're gonna get us so we're
14:34gonna leave you until the day they let
14:35you out we're gonna leave you in this
14:37cell because we don't trust you miss not
14:39to kill us for what we did to you what
14:41did they do to you the heesu have a
14:46thing called gladiator day said the
14:49lieutenant will be off on a Sunday and
14:52the guards who started to come from the
14:56Philadelphia area were black and they
14:57didn't like the guards up in the
14:59hillbillies beaten on black prisoners so
15:01a weird thing happened where this
15:03lieutenant came up with a idea we'll
15:05look let's let the prisoners get this
15:07frustration out of you guys by you pick
15:09out the biggest guy and you pick out
15:11this guy so one day I'm sitting there
15:14minding my own business and they open up
15:15my cell and there's four of them with
15:17clubs you're up so I got to go in the
15:20cage and I got to go and hurt somebody
15:21why do you stand outside and if you
15:23don't fight they're gonna come in and
15:25they're gonna beat you worst and you can
15:26beat a man or get beaten by one man
15:31so they did that all this for their
15:33entertainment were they ever punished
15:36for this not until after the riot when
15:40one of them testified against the others
15:42for the murder and stuff I watched the
15:4711 people commit suicide I've been
15:50stabbed strangled beaten senseless the
15:54cards used to talk because I was a
15:56accused of a psychological murder of
15:59going out the stalking this poor woman
16:01because she looked like my girlfriend
16:02they said so I was never treated like a
16:04prisoner I was treated with deference
16:06the worst word I know in the English
16:08dictionary the way I was treated was so
16:11harsh that it was cruel beyond cruel and
16:14yet all I wanted to do was have enough
16:19within me to learn that beautifully
16:21speaks at it on a date it they executed
16:23me I could tell them how much I cared
16:26about myself I was more important to me
16:31than living because somehow when you
16:35suffer like I have suffered your head
16:39cracks open and you have a typers
16:41sensitivity to life so that when you
16:45touch the human beings you never forget
16:47the 14 years no one was allowed to touch
16:50you you know what [ __ ] this I ain't
16:53crying about it I know what job I
17:00I do because I feel bad for this [ __ ]
17:02you shouldn't know because I look in
17:03your arms and in your eyes and I see the
17:06hurt that I'm causing you no no no don't
17:08worry about that man all right was this
17:10is what I'm doing is trying to imagine
17:13what your life has been like don't you
17:15worry about me at all
17:17I'm harder than life and I'm kinder than
17:19love secretly I'm a saint
17:22I never hurt no one I tried my best to
17:26be played every day and I've had
17:28misfortune and I returned and I'm very
17:33sorry that I sit in this chair today
17:36after it came about you see I believe in
17:42good I believe good is gonna win
17:44Joe and uh I believe that I had good
17:49again almost three years again one few
17:51years ago when I met my wife current
17:54wife Laura see I had a woman in my life
17:58before that who used me and left me here
18:01in Los Angeles I ended up homeless on
18:02streets here I was actually living up in
18:06this area on the streets because my good
18:08friend Noah lives around here him and
18:10Jason took good care of me and my bad
18:12times I call it so I go back to England
18:16I meet this woman fall in love we have a
18:19baby and she's born on your birthday and
18:21I start to believe in hope again I go do
18:24a podcast in England with my good friend
18:27Brian from true Geordie and I start to
18:30spread my message again and I want to
18:31get all these young kids to believe in
18:33themselves then one day I put the baby
18:37down for a nap
18:38and I get Laura to lay in my arms cuz
18:41she's sick
18:41and we get up 20 minutes later and the
18:44baby's dead and I'm coming down the
18:45steps with the bed baby and I'm getting
18:48you know all [ __ ] up again and then
18:51people are so cruel dat in the village
18:53they started me you know maybe the baby
18:56was killed by the guy on death row in
18:58all this [ __ ] and I have a stalker
19:00ex-wife Karen who just won't leave me
19:03alone
19:03contacts the police and tells him that I
19:05put out a tweet that night and it only
19:08happened because my good friend Anthony
19:10Sam and Don he was in the green room
19:12told me today before my daughter died
19:15about a close friend of his they lost a
19:18baby that day and so when our baby died
19:21I put out a tweet just saying you know I
19:24appreciate the people in your life
19:26because they're so precious and the
19:28police came to our house and humiliated
19:30me and wanted to know how I could tweet
19:32about something because my clock was 9
19:34hours off because I was living on the
19:37streets of Los Angeles and my time was
19:38still on la time because Anthony and I
19:40are developing a major motion picture
19:43about my life and I told the police are
19:47you crazy
19:47like why would I so I can't even get a
19:51break on the death of my daughter
19:53like the that was the moment that the
19:55director of the film fear of 13 decided
19:57to rip me off
19:58my rights to the film he decided to rip
20:01you off how he owed me 50,000 pounds
20:04from doing the film fear after he
20:06decided to rip you off because he
20:07thought you killed your baby you know he
20:08decided to rip me off then not pay me my
20:11money when I asked him I needed money to
20:12bury my daughter so I end up in a
20:15shouting match with author demoulas the
20:17billionaire from Boston I promise to get
20:20on his plane and come kick his ass over
20:22the money Roark and over cuz I begged I
20:25it was crazy I ended up I'm still
20:28confused
20:28what so your child dies is it my child
20:31dies and everything goes badly on
20:33syndrome yes and everybody that I
20:37counted on to have my back including
20:39director David sinked and who promised
20:42to pay me for my participation in the
20:44film all then tell me oh no I'm not
20:46paying you I'm like how can you do this
20:49when I need this money to bury my baby
20:51why do you say wasn't paying because he
20:53said he didn't owe it to me and all this
20:54I said why are you crazy you you have a
20:56written contract so it's the same thing
20:59you know how that entertainment business
21:01is once they get what they get out of
21:03you that's it so he just said he wasn't
21:06gonna pay yes what the contract side
21:08right so author demoulas invested in the
21:11film and he owns most of it so I write
21:13to author I call my said Arthur David's
21:16not paying me my money can you help me
21:18because he owned most of the film by
21:20that point so author gets all annoyed at
21:23me I said look man my daughter just died
21:25I blew up at him I told him send me your
21:28private jet I'll come to Boston we can
21:29have a fist fight you love the fight you
21:31know all that [ __ ] I lose control and
21:33then author out of his gray sends me
21:36some money so we could bury the baby but
21:39it went through all this terrible [ __ ]
21:40so I started I said now I'm going back
21:42to America
21:43so I leave England I come over here I
21:47got two daughters with Laura we're over
21:49here now and the Oregon and Anthony my
21:53god I meet this amazing man only because
21:56of Muhammad Ali dying and now he's going
21:58to help me make a major motion picture
22:00about my life so I get away from all
22:02that drama of losing the baby and being
22:04humiliated by people thinking I would do
22:06some [ __ ] to a little girl and I go back
22:08and I rebuild everything and then I try
22:11to go to can
22:12and he won't let me in that's crazy so I
22:15can't go do my job there I lose all
22:17don't let you in because you were on
22:18death row for 22 years yeah I know
22:20you're innocent not only that I just
22:22came from speaking before the United
22:24Nations sitting next to the president
22:25and current former presidents of
22:28Switzerland and I have a security
22:30clearance from that I worked in a
22:31high-profile job in England going around
22:34speaking all over to governments but
22:36Canada holds it against me because I
22:38escaped from death row so I can't enter
22:41the campus the country of Canada Robin
22:44Sharma tried to have me come up there
22:46and speak for him with his conference
22:48and I had to humiliatingly do it from my
22:50home via Skype it's like I'll never stop
22:53being punished for what happened do you
22:55know what I mean but I don't care about
22:57that what really bothered me it was that
22:59all those things started to fall me and
23:01I started losing hope again so I go and
23:05I even tried recently just to have a
23:07normal job and give up everything I'm a
23:09beautiful speaker in schools and I go
23:11around and try and help people with the
23:13education right so I was trying to do
23:16that the last year with a friend of mine
23:19named Wayne Sharpe from New Zealand he
23:20has a company called my verse and he
23:22wants to help children find the correct
23:24path education so important we can't get
23:28that going I can't I decide I'm gonna
23:30give up everything and just go get a
23:32normal job but that doesn't work so I'm
23:35sitting there and it's Jamie's birthday
23:37I'm angry like what the [ __ ] how could I
23:42fall apart again so didn't you contact
23:45me after I tweeted and it all starts
23:48again and I'm back to believe in debt it
23:52doesn't matter how I got in his chair or
23:54it doesn't matter that the man preceding
23:56me has everything and I had nothing I
23:59still believe in good it's called yudice
24:02time and I told you that mess I sent you
24:05yes it [ __ ] l.joe you're gonna change
24:07my life doing this man you didn't have
24:09to do this you're gonna have to be nice
24:11to me you are and for that man I'm
24:16willing to keep going
24:20I can't I mean I don't think anybody can
24:24imagine what it's like to spend 22 years
24:28on death row for something you didn't do
24:30I want you to go back to the night that
24:34you got arrested and tell us cuz youyou
24:36kind of there's some tissue right beside
24:39you if you wanted yeah I'm good I'm
24:40daughter crying go ahead brother it's
24:45just the the night you were how old are
24:48you were 20 21 21 21 21 before he
24:53sentenced me to death I'm 20 years old
24:56I'm a Philly kid and I'm high on meth
24:59and the music's blast and driving
25:02through Chester Pennsylvania in a stolen
25:04car yeah everything in my life is just
25:08chaos I'm fighting with my two brothers
25:12all the time and no one has respect for
25:15me I was ugly and it's 2 o'clock in the
25:19morning I just came from a bar I go
25:23through a stop sign and the next thing I
25:25know I saw the lights I pull over and
25:27the beating of my head's out of control
25:29and I'm sitting there gripped with fear
25:33I took a beat in Philly and December 4th
25:37of that same year in which they ripped
25:39all my teeth up with a blackjack so I
25:43was really scared you know as I don't
25:45move don't run don't do nothing stupid
25:48you took a beating from cops earlier
25:50yeah you know Philly cops put me in my
25:52place because I ran my mouth so there I
25:57am sitting there and the next thing I
25:59know BAM on the window baman he rips
26:02open the door and a track from Bad
26:05Company was playing really loud and like
26:09I can't hear and or make focus of what
26:11he's saying you know and then next thing
26:13I know boom right up out of the car and
26:16he's got me on the Carn and his name's
26:18Benny right and he's six foot four and
26:20he's got me pressed against the top of
26:22the car and he's holding me down and I
26:24can't breathe so I start resisting I
26:26popped his arm off and the adrenaline
26:28goes boom here comes the beast out of me
26:30because it's six two and that age I was
26:33crazy tough man
26:34I was like off-the-charts and so I
26:36pushed him back I remember that and he
26:38couldn't believe it he pulled out his
26:39stick and raised it up and I just
26:41snatched it out of his hand and chucked
26:43it away I was looking I'm like I was
26:45like that zombie guy and he went furious
26:48man he pulled out the pistol and I seen
26:49it coming I grabbed his hand and I
26:51pushed down and I had my arms
26:53outstretched in the Gunma boom down into
26:56the ground like that I looked at him and
26:58he put the gun up there and he said ma
27:00[ __ ] you must ain't puts me in the car
27:02I'm sitting in the backseat I'm freaking
27:05out you know he gets in the car and he's
27:07like jumping back and forth from the
27:09front seat then he waits and he looks at
27:11me in the mirror and he grabs the mic
27:13and he's going like shots fired officer
27:15says shots fired he looks at me one last
27:17time he goes help help help
27:19like it's still going on and like I'm
27:22I'm like what what what's going on dude
27:26tells him when they get there the backup
27:28officers get there he's like he tried to
27:30kill me he's got my gun and I got it
27:32back from him I'm like no this is going
27:36south they jacked me up take me out of
27:38the car beat me down take me to jail now
27:41I'm charged with attempted murder and
27:42kidnapping of a police officer I'm 20
27:45years old and I meet skip DiMaggio the
27:47public defender who didn't tells me I'm
27:50facing life imprisonment and that's it
27:52and they're gonna put me in the security
27:54wing because my bail is gonna be so high
27:55I looked at him I said what do you mean
27:58man I was just driving home I'm in a
28:00stolen car like he said no man you ain't
28:02never going home so I broke down and I
28:07went through detox with no no help you
28:09know so three days I'm in a cell with
28:12nothing but this news paper and it's the
28:15headline on the newspaper mrs. Craig's
28:17murder and it starts taunting me men
28:19taunting me it's hot
28:22somehow in my head I came up with this
28:25crazy mantra if I knew something about
28:27something that big update let me go
28:30about this lie I didn't try to kill
28:32nobody
28:33I was sitting on my bed and the guard
28:38was walking by and he goes what's wrong
28:40with you and I started telling him what
28:44was going through my head the whole
28:46story
28:47and that was hecho oh my god he ran down
28:50the block he went to the sergeant's
28:52office they got me to the warden
28:54the wardens now been told you say you're
28:56telling them what's going on your head
28:57so hey you had you had a plan to tell
29:01him a story to tell him a lie and when
29:04that officer responded because he heard
29:06the story I didn't have any idea with
29:08the impact that my words were oh so
29:10stupid well you're also going through
29:15detox yeah and so they take me to the
29:17warden's office and he starts praising
29:19me they take me out of solitary to
29:21freezing you how tell me I'm doing a
29:23great job what did you tell him I told
29:25him that a man that I knew in the area
29:29had told me he had done the crime and
29:31that if they let me out I would tell
29:33them all about it and he told me I was
29:35helping the community they were taking
29:37me out of solitary confinement all that
29:39they've told me that they spoke to
29:42officer right and he was going to
29:44retract his charges and only charged me
29:46resisting arrest and they were going to
29:48drop the rest of the charges and
29:49everything was going to be good and then
29:52three days later they came back and said
29:54dude you lied and the only reason you
29:57lied is because you want to tell us that
29:58you did this they put me in a room and
30:01start doing all this how'd they find out
30:03that you lied to dude that I made the
30:04story up was no longer a drug addict and
30:07he had an alibi so you just tried to pin
30:11the story on some other drug addict they
30:14do derive me a rolled me up in a rug and
30:16tried to kill me with a 357 Magnum so I
30:19figured I heard the story that he was
30:21dead and figure they won't even find him
30:24anyway you know but a 20 year old
30:26doesn't have any concept of you know
30:28complex stuff like this especially in
30:30the eighties right dude they came right
30:32back to me and they had me in a delaware
30:34county district attorney's office and
30:36this detective Martin told me no certain
30:39terms I was gonna tell him why I killed
30:41that woman I wasn't leaving that room so
30:45for 13 hours they tortured me Matt
30:47started bringing up my childhood and all
30:49that [ __ ] I told him man I just wanted
30:53to blow up my whole world like an ASA oh
30:55that's good so this is my confession
30:58consists of
30:59I not kill anyone I never meant to kill
31:02anyone that's good that's good you never
31:05meant to kill her what are you talking
31:07about so I went to trial and I was given
31:12a three-day trial for the murder of mrs.
31:15Craig after the jury found me not guilty
31:18of all my original charges so I was
31:20really frustrated that a jury heard the
31:22testimony of officer Wright he would
31:25later be fired from the force being
31:28caught up in a drug gang in Chester he
31:30was dirty but they didn't know it at the
31:33time but a jury found me not guilty that
31:35prosecutor went mental when that
31:38happened and he decided to seek the
31:40death penalty
31:40so a month after I was found guilty not
31:43guilty of all my original charges that I
31:45made the stupid story up I they gave me
31:48a three-day murder trial that in essence
31:51was a joke and what they did was they
31:54preyed upon the poor jury and showed
31:56them pictures of the victim and stuff
31:58like that man and he had an inmate who
32:01burglarized the prosecutors home and was
32:04facing 20 years come into court and say
32:05I confessed them that was it
32:07so the inmate said that you confessed to
32:10him Charles II had Alena they got a got
32:12to do that you know so I'm sitting there
32:16and they dropped the bomb on me I know
32:19it's coming
32:19the jury was so crass that they went out
32:22to the wagon wheel restaurant and put
32:24their dessert order on hold while they
32:26found me guilty and then doing the
32:29sentencing phase they had their dessert
32:31I was 20 years old man I'm like this
32:36isn't real man like I never killed a
32:39rape this woman how can this happen you
32:40know and then the only mistake I truly
32:44think I made was that I told the judges
32:46go to hell when he sentence me to death
32:47because he couldn't look me in the face
32:49why do you think that's a mistake
32:51because he decided to send me to
32:53Huntington prison the hardest prison in
32:55America what was he gonna do before that
32:57I don't know but he made sure I went to
33:00the place that they broke you see
33:02Huntington was designed as the prison if
33:03he raped another inmate they sent you
33:05there it was the first shoe program in
33:07America it was the first really what a
33:09shoe program a special housing unit or
33:12security housing unit word level five
33:15Supermax you know like Pelican Bay and
33:17uh your punishment was that you weren't
33:21allowed to speak in yourself and if you
33:23got caught speaking in yourself they
33:25came in with a nurse and they after they
33:28beat you down she jabbed you asked with
33:30Thorazine and they knocked you out for a
33:32week and you lost your mind
33:33so it was horrible like I told you the
33:36first two years of my sentence every day
33:39I kept my mouth shut I didn't care what
33:41was done around me you know you weren't
33:43allowed to say a goddamn word and a
33:47meant it and you know allowed to talk to
33:49other inmates nothing I dare you to sing
33:51happy birthday to yourself like I did I
33:54paid for that one they [ __ ] me up Joe
34:01but I don't care about that look I
34:05realized I was in a race I had to kill
34:11off the person that I was the person
34:14that I initially was upon entering
34:17prison was a deceitful lying coward
34:20but no fortitude because no self-respect
34:23resided within me and in utter
34:26humbleness I took everything that they
34:28did to me and I paid for every window I
34:31broke everything I stole reliable and
34:34then I started to love myself I figured
34:38ain't get nothing out of this but misery
34:40so I'm going out like the dude I must
34:44stand up and I must speak beautifully on
34:47the day they execute me i'ma walk to
34:50that walk man i'ma do dis I didn't kill
34:53that woman but I damn sure ain't no
34:55coward I'm gonna find out everything I
34:59can about life and then I'm gonna face
35:02my death i'ma do it was shot a V man
35:06like I had this beautiful beautiful
35:09speech ready for him to I was gonna lay
35:12it out and just be at peace because I
35:14realized there was nothing else to do I
35:17couldn't fight I couldn't argue it
35:20didn't matter because gods in control my
35:22life and I really believed that I had
35:24choice either be a bitter pill and gets
35:27sucked dry by all the misery around me
35:30or get my [ __ ] right and start loving
35:32myself so I taught myself how to speak
35:36and overcome this aphasia that affected
35:40me my whole life and I found out that I
35:44was giving myself neuroplasticity
35:45healing and I became very graceful and
35:48calm in prison I was so serene and so
35:52powerful how'd you find out you were
35:54giving yourself neuroplasticity healing
35:56I found that out from Robin Sharma Robin
35:59Sharma is the foremost authority on
36:01speaking about neuroplasticity healing
36:03and when he found about what I speak
36:06about he said I am the living embodiment
36:08of his teachings that through grace and
36:12dignity and kindness I developed my own
36:15charisma that carries me with confidence
36:17and that is the description of what he
36:19teaches professionals beginners everyone
36:22to explain neuroplasticity for people
36:24the neuroplasticity is a reward system
36:26within your brain where in your
36:28interactions especially with other human
36:30beings heals you so people who suffer
36:34from PTSD people who have had trauma in
36:37their lives can actually heal themselves
36:40by being meticulously polite and I began
36:45all of this when I was released my
36:48mother sat me down and she said Nikki
36:51listen to me for you to get out of
36:54prison and not be a nice man is a waste
36:57of everyone's time every prayer every
37:00time someone called me the mother of a
37:02monster every time a woman spit in my
37:04face every thing that I went through is
37:08a waste of time for you not to be a nice
37:11man so I want you to promise me one
37:13thing every day I want you to go out say
37:17yes ma'am
37:18yes sir and thank you because I want you
37:22to show respect for who you are in that
37:23way they hurt this family badly so
37:27anything I ask
37:27I didn't notice she handed me the tool
37:29to healing because neuroplasticity is
37:33the self contrived act of rewarding
37:37yourself for being
37:38a nice person and my gift over the last
37:4114 years is that I made myself so
37:45amazingly pliable and gifted at helping
37:48others find the good within them that's
37:52the reason I'm truly here today the
37:55thing that I've been able to accomplish
37:57through my writing and through my
37:59efforts is to show people that you take
38:02things personally in life
38:03you'd be then a fool because what you've
38:06done is you've taken all the hurts and
38:09you've made them to justify reason why
38:11you have to be an [ __ ] to somebody
38:13whereas you keep forgetting that you've
38:16been given a break over and over just to
38:18be here man dude I've been shot stabbed
38:21strangled run over by a car hung myself
38:23in prison to drug overdoses and I had
38:26accountable trying to murder me for two
38:27solid years I know that I could fall at
38:32any moment from my own hand but God
38:36blessed me I believe so much in my
38:38purpose in life that I won't kill myself
38:40I won't give up and it's only because
38:43I've been tested that I know that it has
38:47to be for a reason I had dreams about
38:50all this while I was in death row I had
38:54the most amazing intense dreams because
38:56of my suffering and they play out now so
39:00what happened did I manage to touch
39:03something we're all chasing or am I in a
39:06delusional world because I what do you
39:08mean I told people last last year I told
39:13everybody on Facebook something was
39:16going bad was gonna happen and it did
39:18when my daughter broke her elbow so I
39:21told everybody before it happened two
39:24years ago I told my wife Laura I was
39:26coming back here to meet Anthony Sam and
39:28Danny and go on the good news network
39:30and do a thing with Mamie Ali who's a
39:33good friend of mine and I told him how
39:37the things would happen and sure enough
39:39every time it's played out why did you
39:43think something was gonna bad was gonna
39:45happen well you said something bad was
39:47gonna happen your daughter broke her arm
39:48dude I'm in a meeting with a guy named
39:50Kevin and John
39:51I look at them and I say I have to go
39:53and I'm on Melrose Boulevard
39:55my daughter is playing in the playground
39:58a few blocks away and I'm in this
40:00meeting with these men about my film I
40:03stand up at the table and I say to him I
40:05have to go right now I run outside and I
40:09asked my wife Laura is she okay
40:11my daughter fell and broke her elbow and
40:14had to have six pins put into it in
40:16cedars-sinai we have a sixty three
40:19thousand dollar bill that it is stuck us
40:21with but I knew was gonna happen before
40:23it did and I even told people it was
40:25gonna happen how can I have that touch
40:28did you knew that was gonna happen
40:30specifically I saw the event but not in
40:33real time so I could make sense of it
40:36but I saw the greenery at the park when
40:39we pulled up it was the same and I had
40:42the flash last night when I met Stedman
40:44Graham I had all these moments that
40:46woman last night pinned a thing on my
40:48collar and she looked just like my
40:50mother and I had this dream because my
40:52mom died on September 9th and ten years
40:55ago I was actually on a flight September
40:5711 for her funeral and it's all crazy
41:00how I saw all these things in my dreams
41:04on death row and they play out and it
41:06keeps happening with witnesses to my
41:09life that are recognizing it with me so
41:11I can't make it up do you don't I mean I
41:14wish my friend Jason was here he's he's
41:17been able to help me just put this in
41:19context and I'm doing this badly but I
41:21just think there's some how I went
41:23through an experience so intense that it
41:26is truly cracked open something that has
41:29given me a hypersensitivity to things I
41:32think that it has allowed me truly to be
41:36humble enough to really give my life for
41:38a purpose and not be ego driven like I
41:41have nothing at this moment where we sit
41:43here but I am so proud of the fact that
41:46that doesn't never stop me from
41:47believing and good and you could beat me
41:51all day you could put in a cage you
41:53could do whatever you want to me but
41:54it's up to me didn't make it misery I'm
41:58choosing not to men I don't care how
42:01much I got a struggle from this point on
42:03or what grace is on Grand
42:05I just want one thing to stay true in my
42:07life that I don't lose Who I am I fought
42:10so hard to be this man through a
42:13childhood of a feeling so inadequate
42:16because another man raped me to the
42:18feelings that I was so low of being cast
42:21aside as a condemned human being that
42:24then rise up and go and speak before
42:27governments to the point that Kofi Annan
42:29told me that I was one of the finest
42:31speakers in the world to then go and
42:34follow that and stand at the base of the
42:36Coliseum where human beings were put to
42:38death for entertainment and blow twenty
42:40thousand people away and have it
42:42flawlessly done and to recognize that I
42:46had it all within me to do because of
42:48one thing that neuroplasticity came a
42:51charisma the kind of charisma you exude
42:54so I don't know where it is that you hit
42:57that point where you decided to really
42:59believe in yourself but like you said
43:01you didn't listen to that [ __ ] that
43:03people were telling you and once you did
43:05that you started to contrive all this
43:07beautiful charisma because I didn't even
43:09watch the fight Saturday when you were
43:11talking I listened to you and I thought
43:13he's so flawless it's not even thought
43:16of but people would never grant you that
43:19you dad to do something in your heart
43:21something within you made you believe in
43:24this guy man listen I have not had much
43:27resistance at all I'm gonna be honest
43:28with you like what you're saying about
43:31me is very kind I really appreciate it
43:33but really haven't had much resistance
43:35yeah but what it is about you it makes
43:38you believe in yourself bo what happened
43:41where'd you hit that point well I'm
43:43pretty sure it came from martial arts
43:46from martial arts competition when I was
43:47very young pretty sure from the first
43:51beat another first win neither neither
43:53just just how difficult it was just
43:59doing it from 15 to before I was 22 I
44:05stopped somewhere around 22 but there's
44:08just the fact that it was so difficult
44:10that it it taught me hard work taught me
44:15focus and
44:16and I didn't have anything for that
44:18before that I thought it was a loser
44:20like a really thought it was a loser I
44:22don't know my father my stepdads a very
44:25nice guy
44:26but there's something about growing up
44:28without a father that is still alive
44:31that doesn't talk to you and you know my
44:34mom worked all day my stepdad worked all
44:36day there was no one around you know I
44:39just and we moved a lot and how many
44:42friends so I just I just I never felt
44:46like I was worthwhile that's what I
44:49wasn't anything like what you
44:50experienced no nothing but it was enough
44:52within you that it was the point where I
44:56needed to prove myself that's what I
44:58need I wanted to show I there was
45:00something inside me that I needed to
45:02show that I wasn't useless and the only
45:04way I could show that it wasn't useless
45:05was by being good at things and
45:07initially it was art and then after our
45:10it became martial arts and the martial
45:12arts thing was more important than art
45:13because the martial arts tested me like
45:16art was beautiful because I could draw
45:18things and people would love them and
45:20then it made me feel good that people
45:21liked my work
45:22but it was there's a big difference
45:24between that and the martial arts the
45:26martial arts was so difficult to do and
45:29to compete at a you know a national
45:31level it was every time I did it I was
45:35terrified but after it was over I felt
45:38better about myself and I understood
45:39that I could actually be good at things
45:41so was the first thing that I ever did
45:42that gave me a feeling of value so it
45:45went from being a loser to being an
45:48extreme winner
45:49that's brilliant but it was just it is
45:52but your point though but you're saying
45:54that people like held me back and that's
45:56not really the case it wasn't you know I
45:59mean I'm sure people judged me one way
46:02or another because a fear factor or some
46:04of the other things but the thing about
46:06going through the martial arts
46:08competition and everything when I was
46:09young I don't I don't give a [ __ ] how
46:11other people view me I don't I just do
46:15what I like I do what I like and I try
46:17to be nice but that's where your
46:18charisma comes from and where you got
46:20that from it's still yours man I admired
46:23it a lot of people don't have the
46:24confidence to do that to shut it off
46:26that noise
46:27that thing that makes us
46:29react to everyone else's opinion well I
46:32react to it I mean I most certainly feel
46:34it but I just don't don't I don't let it
46:36change the way I I go through life and I
46:41I think because of the lessons that I've
46:44learned I try to express that as much as
46:46possible for people that haven't gone
46:48through those same lessons so I can I
46:51can I can express that information and
46:55maybe people can absorb some of it
46:57without having to go through what I went
46:58through I think what you went through is
47:01infinitely more difficult more trying
47:05and I think that your message and your
47:10story can show people that in the worst
47:13possible scenario the beginning of your
47:17life as a man you're wrongfully
47:20committed to life in prison
47:23you are gonna spend the rest of your
47:26life until they execute you on death row
47:29and all the horrors that you've gone
47:31through to come out of that and to come
47:34out of that with a purpose of being a
47:36nice person and learning how to speak
47:39and learning how to speak clearly and
47:41confidently like there's a lesson in
47:42that that said it I mean I mean this is
47:46almost like at a out of religious level
47:50I mean you talk about someone who's
47:53created a diamond from pressure and
47:56that's what you've done well you've done
47:58is you've you've figured out a way to
48:00despite all this raging hurricane of
48:03emotion that goes through your mind
48:04that's causes you to cry when you think
48:06about these things you can express
48:09yourself in a very clear way that lets
48:13people it just at least peer through the
48:15window into what you've experienced in
48:19your life and it can give people a
48:23perspective that they're just is very
48:26very rare that someone gets [ __ ] over
48:29in life as bad as you did very very rare
48:32and it's even more rare to come through
48:35at the end with a sense of purpose every
48:37day of my life someone writes me and
48:39tells me they didn't kill themselves
48:40today
48:41every day man did his stop drugs there's
48:46a young man living in my house named
48:48Zack hers is really good friend of mine
48:50he really changed his whole life since
48:53meeting me even my close friends have
48:57told me that I've changed their life and
49:01I appreciate it because I recognize a
49:05lot of times it's the good within then
49:07that's resonating and I'm proud of the
49:10fact that I have sat and listened to the
49:15words I kind of deserve for what I've
49:18tried
49:18now I'm gonna learn in the future to
49:21accept the graces that you just did for
49:22me because in the past I always tried to
49:25as you see diminish it I have worked
49:29very hard I have worked very hard to
49:31craft my work into writing and like your
49:35drawings I was so proud of having a
49:38number one best seller in my first book
49:41and I was so proud of using my talent as
49:44a writer to then articulate what it's
49:47like to lose a baby and my journey
49:48through her eyes or to use this last
49:51effort in monsters a madman to to tell
49:54people it's okay to have a bigger secret
49:56than the one that people know you by and
49:58still live with it and then when it's
50:00right you can share it where I've made a
50:02point that I'm done writing because I've
50:05accomplished all my work as a writer and
50:07now I want to do one thing well I want
50:09to help young students around the world
50:11take themselves seriously with their
50:13education I did over 500 of them in
50:16schools over England and Europe and
50:18stuff I loved it man I got all these
50:21young lads and lasses to come back to me
50:24and show me degrees that they got when I
50:26showed him how important her education
50:28was and I I'm I really thrive in that
50:31environment because I think that's where
50:34everything still is for me somehow like
50:39I'm that kid you know who won't let go
50:41of needing to still chase the good in my
50:46life and I know there's bad things in
50:49the woods and I know there's brilliant
50:51things in the woods I'm still willing to
50:54walk that
50:55and find something meaningful and that's
50:57what I came here to really say is that I
50:59want to make an impact with my words but
51:04not overdo it so I don't want to do any
51:08other podcast after this one except for
51:11my friend Brian's but I want to do the
51:14meaningful thing without it having to be
51:17attached to the social media draw that
51:22has hurt my life so much social media
51:24draw that has hurt your life how does it
51:26hurt your life well when my daughter
51:28broke her arm and we put up a GoFundMe
51:30page I was viciously attacked because
51:32people expect me to have funds but they
51:34don't know you know things effectively
51:36have funds because the movie in the book
51:38yeah and I'm not I have nothing I
51:40borrowed money to get here like people
51:43don't know that I'm wearing a shirt my
51:45friend because he funded me to be here
51:48you know so I'd have food was here it's
51:50like that real no so people don't want
51:53me to not succeed like I hurt their
51:57image of me if I don't have wealth in
51:59addition to being this person before
52:01then I just think people just they don't
52:04understand you know the people see
52:06someone else's life and they like to
52:08assume the worst and they like to
52:10criticize you whenever they have an
52:12opportunity so if they see any
52:13vulnerability they pounce and you know
52:17what you've gone through is the opposite
52:19of what most people go through people
52:22have difficult times in their life but
52:23more than difficult times you know what
52:25they have they have long periods where
52:29they don't have anything happen where
52:31life is boring and life is just a dull
52:35gray and life is just work and coming
52:39home from work and the trials and
52:40tribulations of that and traffic and the
52:43kind of insane experiences that you have
52:48being wrongly convicted and spending
52:50twenty two years confined in a cage
52:54forced to fight because of vicious
52:58psychopath guards that those kind of
53:02experiences are the experiences that
53:04allowed you to come out of it
53:05this
53:07very kind very open-minded person who's
53:12trying to better yourself and wants to
53:15see the best in other people the people
53:17that go through their life in this dull
53:19state of jealousy and bitterness and
53:23resentment and just constantly focused
53:28on themselves a self obsessive culture
53:31that we have and one of the things about
53:33social media that's most [ __ ] up is
53:35you're looking at all these other
53:36people's lives and [ __ ] on them and
53:39comparing yourself to them and finding
53:42faults and them and attacking them in
53:44the comment section and attacking what
53:47and the people that are doing that
53:49they're all doing that because they're
53:50in there in agony they're in a different
53:52kind of agony than you but it's an agony
53:54of nothing I know and I looked at it and
53:58I thought I try to craft a beautiful
54:01message on the social medias so that I
54:03don't get caught up into arguments and I
54:05always try to show the good in the world
54:06and that's why I love like the good news
54:09network I'll trying to liberally stay
54:10away from things that poison my mind
54:13because I don't want to contribute I
54:14don't want to get caught up in the Trump
54:16error argument or the previous argument
54:18or the new argument I want to post
54:20meaningful messages of good because
54:22that's my overall message so I thought
54:24recently maybe I can contrive three
54:27beautiful messages for Twitter Facebook
54:29and Instagram and I could leave out this
54:31wonderful message and then I can go
54:33about my business of going back into
54:35schools and talking to students because
54:37it gets too chaotic in addition to all
54:41the lovely messages of the wonderful
54:44human beings that listen to me speak or
54:48they saw the film fear of 13 read one of
54:50my books there's also a lot of women out
54:53there men and they've been harassing me
54:55and bothering me and it's put a lot of
54:57conflict in my life and I don't want
55:00that harassing you in bothering you how
55:02a lot of women fall in love because of
55:04the film the film made me look very
55:06attractive yeah what is it about women
55:08and men that are on death row - the sad
55:10one - yeah I know said yeah they'll
55:12contact me and tell me about their
55:14inmate I'm not a name
55:15I'm not a death-row prisoner I was on
55:17death row that is a strange obsession
55:19because women have yeah and it goes to a
55:22psychological feature of women who can
55:26fix things with their lung so they want
55:29me to deceive my wife to be with them
55:32but not be deceitful they want me to
55:34ignore all the social chaos I could
55:36cause to go and leave a family to be
55:38with them but they still want to harass
55:40me and it was so bad recently even on my
55:42anniversary I had to cut off people who
55:44were bothering me I have a an active
55:47stalker in my life
55:48it's all kind of crazy I've gone through
55:51a lot of experiences where the social
55:53media has really tested me so I thought
55:55I'm gonna try and be like the dude all
55:57right so they're gonna execute me said
55:58that twice yeah the dude is the guide it
56:01knows all right so this is my last scene
56:03you don't mean like from The Big
56:04Lebowski kind of like the dude man like
56:06the dude so seriously Jeff Bridges one
56:10of my heroes what a moment you know
56:12Chris Pine Jeff Bridges Ben Foster being
56:15interviewed about Hell in high water and
56:16they asked Chris Pine what are you
56:18watching he goes oh my god I got to tell
56:21you about fear of 13 I got to tell you
56:23about Nicki iris madness dude is the
56:25[ __ ] you don't I mean and my phone goes
56:27yeah I had dinner with him he's a really
56:29really cool dude man Wow
56:32you need to have Chris on he's a very
56:34cool dude he's really introspective and
56:36he's deep like he's a real good
56:38conversationalist
56:39all right so time what else has he been
56:42in he's immature
56:44oh dude he just he just did the one with
56:48Oprah too and he did the one before that
56:50with the Star Trek oh that guy yeah
56:54Chris Wonder Woman yeah sounds great I'm
56:58telling you man what have any a to
57:00invite me to dinner and hang out one and
57:02even Harvey Weinstein pops in for a
57:04minute
57:05holla I'm like no and he's like Harvey
57:09you just produced that documentary about
57:10the dude that was in jail or everything
57:12hit the fan yeah this is four things
57:14went tits up I know yeah no I had this
57:17real great blessing so alejandro
57:19Monteverde who did the little boy with
57:22Kevin James he has an amazing life story
57:25himself I mean as his family was
57:28abducted
57:28kidnappers and executed this is real
57:31drama the day I meet this man I'm at a
57:35red-carpet event in LA and he goes home
57:37and watches fear of thirteen and he
57:39comes back and he tells me I'm gonna
57:43make your movie I'm gonna help you I
57:45don't know how but God told me there's
57:47certain movies I have to make and he's
57:49making one right now with Tim Ballard
57:50from the CIA about rescuing children
57:54from the sex trades and stuff so he's
57:55doing really serious work he said he
57:57wants to make a feature films that are
57:59gonna make a feature film about me
58:00called conviction right now it might be
58:02changed but I got the script and it's
58:04[ __ ] hard man to read but we have all
58:07these a-list actors and my dream of
58:08course is Chris Pine because I think
58:10he's one of the best right but I have no
58:12say but I get this amazing chance to
58:15come out here and meet all these people
58:16for the film being made and I realized
58:20it's all meant to be man like all this
58:22crazy stuff so maybe if I craft my
58:25message right I can step back and let
58:28people appreciate the message I had
58:30without distorting it because I don't
58:32want to ruin it I don't want to go too
58:34far and end up making a fool of myself
58:38when I thought the right thing to do was
58:39teach people about neuroplasticity and
58:41how to make yourself a really badass
58:44outside the ring by being a kind man and
58:46how to rarely make yourself a really
58:49nice person to the family and loved ones
58:50by having the self respect about
58:52yourself to be patient in life and
58:54things like that you know and don't ruin
58:57it so that's what I keep saying don't
58:59ruin it you know when you're talking
59:01about social media I think one thing to
59:03take into consideration is when you do
59:04something like a GoFundMe or any anytime
59:07there's anything controversial those are
59:10magnets for hate and you might think
59:12that everyone hates you but what you're
59:14dealing with is a very small amount of
59:17people from a very large amount of
59:19people I know that's a if you're
59:21thinking about the whole planet right
59:22all the english-speaking people you're
59:24dealing with hundreds and hundreds of
59:26millions of people that believe so much
59:28in what you said that's why I'm here now
59:30because on my website Nikki RS org we
59:33organized so today's listeners can go
59:35there and download copies of my book I
59:37can get out of destitute times I can get
59:40my life together we did everything we
59:42could
59:42knowing that this podcast has reached a
59:44million people so you're right I do I
59:46mean even you like your social media
59:47what I mean is just that the thing is to
59:49not get caught up in the numbers that
59:52come out you that are negative because
59:54it's just a sheer matter of volume all
59:57right if you're reaching people through
59:58the internet you're reaching who knows
1:00:01how many human beings I think one out of
1:00:04a hundred is gonna be the type of person
1:00:07that wants to send a hateful message
1:00:08because it's easy because they don't
1:00:10have to look you in the eyes when they
1:00:12do it they don't have to feel any social
1:00:15consequences they don't have to feel
1:00:17your pain when they insult you or or you
1:00:20know say awful things about you or your
1:00:22family they're doing it because they
1:00:24want to affect you because they're
1:00:25hurting and they're hurting for a very
1:00:27different reason than the way you're
1:00:29hurting but this is what's wrong with
1:00:31social media is because human beings are
1:00:34not meant to communicate that way we
1:00:36lose our humanity in this very shallow
1:00:39form of interaction because all those
1:00:43parts what's what's important about
1:00:45people's looking them in the eyes
1:00:46talking to them hugging them shaking
1:00:49their hand communicating honestly and
1:00:51anytime you you're missing any of those
1:00:54pieces when you communicate dishonestly
1:00:56when you don't want to shake someone's
1:00:58hand when you don't want to look them in
1:00:59the eye when you don't want to enter in
1:01:00your interact with them when you don't
1:01:02care about them as a person all those
1:01:04things leave you feeling like [ __ ] and
1:01:07all those that's true you're right the
1:01:09the social media is the worst form of it
1:01:12because it's just text you have to
1:01:14interpret it yourself you don't know
1:01:15what the [ __ ] is going on there life you
1:01:17don't know who they are but you read
1:01:19that text and you absorb it personally
1:01:22you absorb it personally you take it in
1:01:24the worst possible form and you you feel
1:01:27that critique in your chest you feel it
1:01:30you feel it in your head I know I guess
1:01:32I got caught up in this notion that I
1:01:34could just go be a normal guy and I have
1:01:37a normal job and people would leave me
1:01:38alone
1:01:39well they would if you weren't on social
1:01:42media and then I've already entered that
1:01:45form so well you don't have to stay in
1:01:47that form but that's true but here's the
1:01:48thing even if you do use that form you
1:01:50know what you can do you just don't
1:01:52interact you know that's the thing
1:01:55that's what I said I was going to
1:01:56it's it's hard for people to understand
1:01:58that are on the outside like will you
1:02:00[ __ ] I love you I want you to
1:02:02interact with me because I love you you
1:02:04know and I want you to recognize that
1:02:05I'm recognizing you and I appreciate
1:02:08that for people but they have to
1:02:09understand the volume of people that
1:02:11someone like you is dealing with that's
1:02:12what I tried to convey and I try it very
1:02:14sincerely never to be ignorant to people
1:02:16and you know it's it's [ __ ]
1:02:18mind-blowing joke because I had my mind
1:02:20made up and now I've realized that I do
1:02:23and it all goes back to a conversation
1:02:26what little boy Jason daily me and him
1:02:29we're driving along the 405 one day and
1:02:31film4 at fear of 13s about to come out
1:02:33and I told him I didn't wanted to come
1:02:35out and he said you don't own that film
1:02:39every kid that's ever had a shitty
1:02:41childhood owns that film everybody who's
1:02:44got a broken marriage or a shitty life
1:02:46or his really struggling owns that film
1:02:48if you [ __ ] this up I'll never be your
1:02:50friend again man and he was right I
1:02:53don't own the fear of 13 and I don't own
1:02:56really anything of it but it's message
1:02:59is so beautiful I did what I could to
1:03:01tell my story because we're all living
1:03:04our life as an experience but we can
1:03:06only convey it as a memory and I did
1:03:08beautifully for myself I'm so proud of
1:03:10the effort I made I don't care that the
1:03:12director Rob me I'll make my way I don't
1:03:15care what I went through to this moment
1:03:16because I truly appreciate the person
1:03:19who wrote me last night and said two
1:03:21weeks ago I was released from a mental
1:03:23hospital after trying to kill myself and
1:03:25my mom sat me down and made me watch
1:03:27film mmm now in the last two weeks I've
1:03:31been going to therapy and I'm getting my
1:03:32[ __ ] together
1:03:33I don't film Jo and I don't own my
1:03:36message I guess my message is taken one
1:03:39by the people who love me or not you're
1:03:41right I'm not going to be bothered by
1:03:43the negatives I had a terrible
1:03:45experience with a stalker for 12 years
1:03:47who won't leave me alone and it cost me
1:03:48my daughter and a divorce is all kind of
1:03:52crazy stuff so it was really affecting
1:03:54me and my current wife and I didn't like
1:03:55it but I think I'm gonna actually beat a
1:03:58dude and just hang around for a little
1:03:59bit longer and make you proud of me for
1:04:01what I do from here on well don't worry
1:04:03about me man
1:04:04now everyone that I love though to
1:04:06always be on that list
1:04:08I really that's what you use for
1:04:10motivation yeah that's that's great and
1:04:12there's nothing wrong with that but I
1:04:15think that what you can do and what you
1:04:18are doing is show that you can you can
1:04:22overcome things you can overcome
1:04:24horrible things some of the most
1:04:25horrible experiences a person could ever
1:04:27face you can overcome them and you have
1:04:30and those messages they give people
1:04:33inspiration and inspiration is one of
1:04:35the greatest things you can give a
1:04:36person and you're inspiring me today I
1:04:39told you since this man ever since we
1:04:41started communicating I told you I mean
1:04:43this I even went out of my way today to
1:04:45Matt Matt rang me your producer and I
1:04:49wanted to make a point right away I said
1:04:51dude I know a lot of people climb right
1:04:53past you to go to Joe but I wanted to
1:04:55tell you thank you for helping me and my
1:04:57family thing thank you for helping
1:04:59organize I made sure that Jamie got my
1:05:01love when I came in the room because he
1:05:03organized my trip it was so cool while
1:05:05he got me into the writer airport and
1:05:07everything right because I know that is
1:05:09so important to that man because a lot
1:05:12of people won't make that effort Joe and
1:05:14I don't want to be a guy to misses my
1:05:15chance so I must say thank you and yes
1:05:18ma'am and yes sir to everyone like my
1:05:20mom asked me and make sure never to
1:05:22overlook people because that's truly my
1:05:24message my kindness makes me able to
1:05:27come back my good heart is made better
1:05:30by the fact that I've won a believe in
1:05:31good and it's crazy how it's come back
1:05:34to reward me in so many ways like do you
1:05:37remember when Muhammad Ali died you know
1:05:40yeah well I didn't know Anthony Salman
1:05:43Donnie I didn't know his story but one
1:05:46day I get contacted by a man who's seen
1:05:49the fair of 13 and I learned that he
1:05:51went to university out here and he
1:05:52became a lawyer cause a little promise
1:05:54to his mother to be a good person he
1:05:56goes to the mosque every Friday and
1:05:58becomes close friends with Muhammad and
1:06:00they go to dinner every night with
1:06:01maymay on Fridays you know and he become
1:06:03real close and he tells me the story how
1:06:05at a young age Muhammad looks him in the
1:06:07face and says you're going to be one of
1:06:10the men who carries my message in life
1:06:11and he's like I'm 22 what could I
1:06:15possibly have to offer anyone
1:06:17so he goes to this experience and on the
1:06:21day that Muhammad Ali had approval from
1:06:23the government Patent Office for this
1:06:25bracelet that says within good there is
1:06:27God he called me in England where I was
1:06:31at the time and he says I have a
1:06:33question for you I saw your film learned
1:06:36a lot about you since then why aren't
1:06:40you bitter ma'am why are you still
1:06:41willing to believe and I said my mother
1:06:45never prayed for anything but good she
1:06:46always told me the only good there was
1:06:48was in bliss within God he said are you
1:06:53kidding me hold on and he starts sending
1:06:55me to stuff I didn't know that earlier
1:06:57that day Muhammad Ali's bracelet would
1:06:59be you know approved by the patent I
1:07:02didn't know any of that but it was those
1:07:04words you see what I mean about the
1:07:06synchronicity of all this craziness in
1:07:07my life the next thing you know I'm and
1:07:09in Los Angeles
1:07:10I'm meeting alejandro he wants to help
1:07:13me make the movie I meet all these
1:07:15wonderful people like Adam Kalinin from
1:07:17bottle keeper he's such a sweet guide
1:07:19they came up with this company on the
1:07:21beach couple years ago and now it's
1:07:23doing very well for keeping drinks cold
1:07:24and he stood wonders for me and my wife
1:07:27this man is such a lovely guy that I
1:07:30wouldn't be in this chair without him or
1:07:32Anthony or any of these people right and
1:07:34then Anthony sets up mamie Ali and he
1:07:38brings me out and we have a podcast and
1:07:43he doesn't tell her a word about me
1:07:45before him
1:07:47now what's crazy was I'm doing this
1:07:51interview right behind where I used to
1:07:53sleep on the street and I think I kept
1:07:55all that quiet did some my best work
1:07:57when I was homeless and I do this thing
1:08:00and may may looks at me and says no
1:08:02disrespect to my father Muhammad Ali but
1:08:05you're one of the most influential men I
1:08:06ever met my life and within five minutes
1:08:09of meeting you I'm already changing
1:08:11things about my life I decided right
1:08:14then okay then I have to own that man I
1:08:17have to live it for her man like I could
1:08:20never go back I can't go back and be an
1:08:24average [ __ ] mindless angry person I
1:08:28can't be caught up in the drama of
1:08:29everyday stupid
1:08:31[ __ ] like I gotta oh it to that girl you
1:08:33know and I have ever since I met her
1:08:36she's wanted the nicest people in my
1:08:38life man I have some amazing friends Joe
1:08:41I really mean it man and there's so many
1:08:44connections to your life you wouldn't
1:08:45even know like dude when people found
1:08:48out I was coming to meet you every one
1:08:51of them said the same pretty much the
1:08:53same thing
1:08:53Joe's such a nice Duty so intelligent I
1:08:57love listening to him I work with
1:08:59educators on a platform code necklace
1:09:02they love your stem Pro cast
1:09:04I know people up in Waterbury
1:09:06Connecticut to teach out of the
1:09:08self-defense class called practical
1:09:10self-defense third right now going crazy
1:09:12because you know they know Joe
1:09:14Jesse Kazakov skis on the first bellator
1:09:17card you know these guys are really
1:09:19crazy like Alex Cortes and all them dick
1:09:22they're like Joe is so next-level I'm
1:09:25saying so are you it's like Joe showing
1:09:29you to believe in yourself because he
1:09:30didn't get there because he had like
1:09:33been handed this [ __ ] like I remember
1:09:36reading stories about you go into the
1:09:37MMA and just doing it so you could drink
1:09:39money man like the get free tickets and
1:09:41go in right yeah that's true ain't it
1:09:44yeah when I first started working for
1:09:45the UFC I did the first not for money
1:09:47right I did the first 15 shows for free
1:09:49for free yeah see what I mean well it
1:09:53was probably foolish financially my
1:09:55manager didn't think was a good idea I
1:09:57just didn't care I just I was enjoying
1:09:59it that's what I love that guy it's what
1:10:02I want to do man I want to be - dude man
1:10:04was also a struggling company that I
1:10:06believed in I wanted to help them but
1:10:08what you're saying is interesting
1:10:10because you the one theme that you keep
1:10:13repeating that you want to do things for
1:10:15other people you keep saying that like
1:10:17you wanted to do that from maymay you
1:10:20wanted to make me proud yeah this is a
1:10:22constant theme that you you want you
1:10:26want to do good for other people that's
1:10:28an amazing amazing mindset for someone
1:10:32who's been through everything that
1:10:33you've been through that that sentiment
1:10:35that that and then your gratitude that's
1:10:38another very very powerful thing
1:10:40gratitude love and gratitude or two of
1:10:43the most in
1:10:44incredible expressions and some of the
1:10:47most influential because when you show
1:10:49true gratitude to people and true love
1:10:51to people they feel that it that affects
1:10:54the way they interact with the rest of
1:10:56the people that they're gonna experience
1:10:57like if they run into a new person just
1:11:00moments after meeting you they will be
1:11:02nicer and they will feel that gratitude
1:11:05and feel that love that's real and
1:11:07that's one thing that we all can do you
1:11:09know this thought that we're all a
1:11:10powerless and helpless it's one of the
1:11:13problems with this this society is that
1:11:16the society is so overwhelming we have
1:11:19so much information coming at us and the
1:11:21message is that what's important is you
1:11:24know beautiful girls with short skirts
1:11:26and fast shiny cars and big giant houses
1:11:30and private jets and diamond rings and
1:11:33expensive watches and all this horseshit
1:11:37and this is what people seek they seek
1:11:40that instead of seeking love and
1:11:41gratitude because it doesn't seem that
1:11:44that's important but that's way more
1:11:46important it's everything because that
1:11:48literally changes the world it changes
1:11:50the it side you know I always thought
1:11:52that expression the wings of the
1:11:53butterfly eventually become a hurricane
1:11:55that's [ __ ] stupid because that
1:11:56doesn't work that way a butterfly it
1:11:58just generates a very small amount of
1:11:59wind and they're small and it doesn't
1:12:01really work that way but the idea behind
1:12:03it what would it would what it
1:12:05represents as a metaphor is that you
1:12:10literally buy your one person that lives
1:12:14amongst 300 plus million people in this
1:12:17country one person with love and
1:12:20gratitude and inspiration especially the
1:12:23way you can express yourself that
1:12:26affects people you come in contact with
1:12:28and that in turn affects they people
1:12:31they come in contact with and that
1:12:33literally can change the world it
1:12:35actually could change the world there's
1:12:36a real plasticity man that's what I'm
1:12:38good at I know it I've helped so many
1:12:41people heal their lives when I've
1:12:42interacted with them and tense time I've
1:12:45made it let me stop you because this is
1:12:47one thing that you said to me before the
1:12:49podcast you said it again during the
1:12:50podcast do you only want to do this one
1:12:53podcast you don't want to say anymore
1:12:55and I want to ask you why
1:12:57because if you have this powerful
1:12:59message the more people you reach and
1:13:01the more you express yourself with this
1:13:03message you're not gonna cheapen your
1:13:04message what you're gonna do is you're
1:13:06gonna get it out to more and more people
1:13:08and the more people that you can get out
1:13:10your words and the way you express
1:13:12yourself that's gonna affect people it's
1:13:15gonna affect people in a very very
1:13:17positive way okay but the other side of
1:13:21that that no one can appreciate is that
1:13:23I'm failed I haven't been able to get
1:13:26anything going I tried to start a pond
1:13:27no no no no I had let me let me stop you
1:13:29let me stop you you're not failed first
1:13:32of all you've only been out of jail for
1:13:3313 years that's [ __ ] crazy you were
1:13:36in jail for 22 years on death row
1:13:39there's not a whole lot of people get
1:13:40through that experience and can tie
1:13:42their own [ __ ] shoes after they're
1:13:44done you know you you're you have every
1:13:46right in the world to be shell-shocked
1:13:49and incapacitated you're not it's hard
1:13:52to get things going
1:13:53the world does not open its doors for
1:13:56you and success does not come easy it
1:13:58doesn't work that way so for you say you
1:14:00failed you haven't failed you've already
1:14:01written books you've already have a
1:14:03documentary made about you you're in the
1:14:06process of making a feature-length film
1:14:08about your life that's not a failure no
1:14:10I I just failed in getting the platforms
1:14:12together that I need it's and I guess
1:14:14I'm failing it's just it doesn't always
1:14:16work out right the first time it's not
1:14:19it's not a fail you're not a failure
1:14:21okay then here's the deal for you sir
1:14:23prove your words right to me and come on
1:14:25when I get my [ __ ] together you come on
1:14:28to my podcast and we finish the
1:14:29conversation later on I would do that
1:14:32but even if I didn't doesn't matter all
1:14:34right you can do anything but I just
1:14:36want to show you you yourself this idea
1:14:39that your you've failed is crazy it's
1:14:42you you have not failed if you've done
1:14:44things look first of all everyone does
1:14:48things that don't succeed and then you
1:14:50recalibrate and you adjust you try again
1:14:52no one succeeds and wins the world
1:14:55championship in their first fight no one
1:14:57writes a book without learning English
1:15:00and without practicing essays that
1:15:03becomes the greatest book the world's
1:15:05ever read read
1:15:06written whatever you you you you take
1:15:09time and you learn this is what life is
1:15:13about
1:15:13life is about this process and through
1:15:16that process you find yourself through
1:15:18the difficult tasks that you undertake
1:15:22maybe adjust and you become better you
1:15:27said you started a podcast you fit well
1:15:29how long did you do it for I didn't
1:15:30never cut off the crown no one believes
1:15:32in me
1:15:34I know I'm just saying first of all the
1:15:36podcasts are easy man with that phone
1:15:38you have right there I'm sure that phone
1:15:40has a audio recorder I've done by 11 my
1:15:44eleven dollar phone probably does oh
1:15:46they all do yeah every phone does that's
1:15:48not eleven all right - a regular Android
1:15:50phone right yeah no sighted phone it's
1:15:53finished one of these wafer these mean
1:15:57look if you had this phone [ __ ] ten
1:16:00years ago people think you were a wizard
1:16:01yeah man if you're in the fifth century
1:16:03of course yeah well that fart so sure
1:16:06has Joe you know you're kicking me into
1:16:08this right and I'm gonna have to respond
1:16:10because of the way I've always been
1:16:12wired I'm gonna do this then I do
1:16:15anything I am just no listen I am
1:16:17alright you need never again encourage
1:16:19me sir okay if I go around doing that
1:16:22for now I have been rough on myself
1:16:24because I thought I'd have a platform
1:16:25and accomplish the things that I wanted
1:16:27to and I felt really shitty that I
1:16:29wasn't able to take care and provide for
1:16:30my family and that's the heart of it
1:16:32really there's the struggle on that side
1:16:34I wouldn't give a [ __ ] about Fame I've
1:16:36had the most amazing experiences my life
1:16:38man while my first interviews was the
1:16:40Village Voice and the woman learns me at
1:16:42the end Jennifer Connor man she says man
1:16:44you know you're living one of the
1:16:46greatest stories ever told man this
1:16:48ain't no joke and every time she's told
1:16:50me that words in my head I realized
1:16:53comes with a hell of a ride in a price
1:16:56so if I gonna own it I gotta own all of
1:16:59it I keep telling people to own it when
1:17:00you do well so maybe I needed to bounce
1:17:03back and this is the - step forward and
1:17:05start kicking ass again and maybe that
1:17:07will get me out of those cheerful days
1:17:09that I've had to go through well you
1:17:10have every right to have a struggle I
1:17:13mean if anybody has any right to have
1:17:16difficult it's
1:17:17emotions and a difficulty expressing
1:17:20those emotions it's you I and I
1:17:23understand how you could dwell on things
1:17:25not succeeding the way you anticipated
1:17:28wanted them to but you just gotta keep
1:17:30going man you know I'm such an honest
1:17:32person I could never come on here and
1:17:33fake it you know I could never do that
1:17:35for you man I thought that would be so
1:17:37insincere so I just came in here and I
1:17:40decided let's pour it out honestly we
1:17:42did and I feel like the best thing about
1:17:45it is I chose like you're so like me in
1:17:48so many ways on the on the down low like
1:17:50you just you just want good like you
1:17:53just want to have a purposeful message
1:17:55that you want to share and that's what I
1:17:57thought was really cool I had a really
1:17:59cool experience last year I went to East
1:18:01Germany to speak before a company and I
1:18:04met all these Lebanese refugees after
1:18:06meeting Navy SEALs the dudes on the
1:18:09plane loved me man I built them up for
1:18:12being part of her military system I made
1:18:14them really respect and honor themselves
1:18:17then I was on the streets at Berlin
1:18:19hanging out with these Lebanese refugees
1:18:21and I made them feel so good about the
1:18:24fact that they still believed in each
1:18:25other so I have some magical ability to
1:18:29go around and touch different groups and
1:18:31and my message resonates with people
1:18:34who've been in the military or been
1:18:35through trauma or not been through
1:18:37trauma and I have a gift I know it and
1:18:40I've spoken in some of the most
1:18:42prestigious places and one of them is
1:18:44still to this day one of the highest
1:18:46honors I spoke at Saint John's Church in
1:18:49London where a ticket on the Vietnamese
1:18:51monk who marched with Martin Luther King
1:18:55in Selma Alabama spoke and he used to be
1:18:58my pen pal on death row he was the first
1:19:01man that gave me respect when I was on
1:19:03death row and he questioned why I didn't
1:19:05have respect a lot like you're doing for
1:19:07me today
1:19:08and he taught me to look at myself
1:19:10differently so I went through a whole
1:19:13one-year period of my experiences before
1:19:16I could speak at that church and when I
1:19:18did I was absolutely flawless because I
1:19:21knew it my friend was there and he was
1:19:23guiding me and somewhere within me I
1:19:26have some magical ability I don't know
1:19:28where
1:19:28comes from but I have an orator skill
1:19:32and once I'm past these dark days I'm
1:19:35sure I can lay it down well so that I
1:19:37can carry a message beautifully to
1:19:39educational fields purposefully into the
1:19:43corporate fields or wherever I want to
1:19:45go and I love it that I do have a
1:19:48winning hand and I have a gift behind it
1:19:50that was earned
1:19:51now you can taught yourself how to do
1:19:53this I mean think about what you were
1:19:54saying earlier about learning how to
1:19:56speak so that you could speak at your
1:19:57own execution that's why it's a powerful
1:20:00motivating force yes sir
1:20:02and to learn all of the world's
1:20:04religions so that you understood what it
1:20:06means to speak do you know in the
1:20:09Sanskrit religion a lot of the words are
1:20:11used as descriptive forms of things so
1:20:13chairs and the object it's the feeling
1:20:16of sitting so you have a responsibility
1:20:19and not only in the words that you
1:20:21choose to speak but in the manner that
1:20:23you deliver them and the vibrations
1:20:26within you that you caringly share with
1:20:28another person because there is a
1:20:31receptor within us all to the truth and
1:20:34it resonates and it rises within us and
1:20:37so I found that powerful ability to talk
1:20:40to myself in that manner so that I could
1:20:43love myself and I would stand in the
1:20:46window of my cell and talk to myself or
1:20:50quote beautiful text and I loved reading
1:20:53the Prophet by Kahlil Gibran I read it
1:20:55over 20 times because I thought his
1:20:58message was so powerful because he lost
1:21:00his entire family while he wrote this
1:21:02book over a three-year journey and
1:21:04although I might have come back from the
1:21:06ashes like peachy carnahan and the man
1:21:09who beat would be king from Roger
1:21:11Kipling I still feel like I have a valid
1:21:16message motivating me to go forward and
1:21:18my idea from this morning on is I want
1:21:22to go home to Laura and the kids and
1:21:24regroup get myself together and I know a
1:21:27lot of people are going to contact me
1:21:29because of your grace to having me on
1:21:30your show and what I plan to do over the
1:21:34next couple years Joe is I want to show
1:21:38myself not just use
1:21:40that I'm right being a kind man being a
1:21:44good-hearted man being meticulously
1:21:47polite doesn't mean you're a loser
1:21:49doesn't mean you're a fool and if people
1:21:51take advantage of you it's down to you
1:21:53to take as insult or rise the [ __ ] up
1:21:56about the insult and just move past it
1:21:58the reason I'm not bitter is because I
1:22:02didn't take it personal when they broke
1:22:03my teeth and put me in death row and
1:22:05tortured me I didn't take it personal
1:22:08because right now there are two million
1:22:11people incarcerated in this country I
1:22:13didn't take it personal because 150
1:22:16other men got off of death row that's
1:22:20why I'm able to function because I don't
1:22:21take life personally but I take love
1:22:24personally I take it so personally that
1:22:26I'm willing love myself a lot of people
1:22:28can't do that do you know how hard it is
1:22:31to get a woman to look at herself
1:22:32without looking at a fall they can't
1:22:34stand it
1:22:35do you how hard it is to get a man to be
1:22:37honest with his emotions thinking that
1:22:39he's weak if he does I would rather have
1:22:42tears on my face walking down the street
1:22:44in frustration than just rip on somebody
1:22:47and hurt somebody that's the kind of
1:22:49caliber of level of humanity I want to
1:22:52find him myself and I think we all do I
1:22:54think the message like you said has been
1:22:56distorted by the social media so badly
1:22:59that we need more talking and I would
1:23:02have a dream of having a late-night talk
1:23:04show and play some of my coolest music
1:23:07and talk to people just average people
1:23:09and just open it up like I want to just
1:23:13share what's good about me because my
1:23:15mother was right wouldn't have just been
1:23:18a terrible waste of time if I got out of
1:23:20jail and I was just another [ __ ] on
1:23:22the street they would you know one of
1:23:25the things that keeps coming up is your
1:23:28longing for community and this is
1:23:32something I've been thinking about a lot
1:23:33lately because I think one of the things
1:23:35that people are constantly searching for
1:23:37in this world is happiness right so one
1:23:41thing that people don't have that they
1:23:43wish they had that comes up over and
1:23:45over again it's a reoccurring theme and
1:23:48one of the things that's also a big part
1:23:52of this life that we are
1:23:53living right now is this very recent
1:23:56disconnect between our neighbors our
1:24:01friends by commuting to work and being
1:24:05stuck in this stuffy environment where
1:24:08you can express yourself normally and
1:24:10this is the majority of your life the
1:24:12majority your time and then we wonder
1:24:14why we're sad and we don't spend enough
1:24:16time together with friends here's here's
1:24:18when you aren't sad when you're having
1:24:21fun with your friends because that's
1:24:23what human beings are meant to do
1:24:25there's they're meant to work together
1:24:27to do something together like something
1:24:29meaningful core of your healing its met
1:24:31were meant to have community we're meant
1:24:33to have friends and we're meant to laugh
1:24:34we're meant to share experiences we're
1:24:37meant to care for each other and when
1:24:39that's not happening in your life you
1:24:42feel like [ __ ] what you're doing is
1:24:44spreading the fingers of your community
1:24:47you're spreading the branches of your
1:24:48community by by expressing yourself in
1:24:51helping other people by expressing
1:24:52yourself in inspiring other people by
1:24:54sending your message out there this is a
1:24:57type of community for people that are
1:24:59longing for community you're connecting
1:25:01with people people that are longing to
1:25:03feel a connection and this is something
1:25:06that's missing this is something that's
1:25:08greatly missing in our society and you
1:25:11you understand it more than most because
1:25:16your time that they forced you to be
1:25:20separate from community that they did
1:25:22they gave you the opposite of community
1:25:24if you communicated they beat you up
1:25:25they gave you the opposite of the
1:25:27community they locked you in a cage
1:25:28didn't let you mingle with other people
1:25:30and then the people that were around you
1:25:32you didn't want to mingle with them
1:25:34horrific people that are just the worst
1:25:37examples of a life gone wrong and you're
1:25:40surrounded with him he's still emerged
1:25:42and that just out alone gives people
1:25:45hope and that hope is something that
1:25:46everybody needs I was a good person on
1:25:48death row to the point that a man named
1:25:51Tom Lowenstein wanted to write a book
1:25:52about me
1:25:53and I turned him on to Walter Oh Grod
1:25:56who still sit on death row and I asked
1:25:58him to write the book about Walter
1:26:00and then CNN death row stories wanted to
1:26:02contact me and have Susan's friend and
1:26:04narrate my story two and a half
1:26:06years ago I told him again Walters still
1:26:09on death row man do it for him I what's
1:26:12Walter Store the Walter Walter Oh Grod
1:26:15was convicted of killing a little girl
1:26:17and put her in a TV box but he didn't do
1:26:19it and he had the misfortune of having
1:26:22his brother attacked in his house and
1:26:24nearly murdered and being brought in for
1:26:26that investigation and then simply asked
1:26:28by a detective hey there's a girl killed
1:26:30on your street did you know anything
1:26:31about it he goes yeah I know about it
1:26:34next thing you know he's facing death
1:26:37row so a jury finds him not guilty but
1:26:39for the sabotage of one juror he ends up
1:26:42on death row
1:26:43well they said sabotage you're wondering
1:26:45he voted not guilty and then he drops
1:26:47out during the vault dear I lied I lied
1:26:48he's guilty
1:26:49so they declare a mistrial get the guy
1:26:52they called a Monsignor to come in and
1:26:53say that now he confessed to him they
1:26:56have a second trial
1:26:57so they put Walter on death row and I
1:26:59meet him and everybody's abusing the
1:27:01[ __ ] out of him so I did the unnatural
1:27:06thing I stood up for him for all the
1:27:09bullies and I told the two men that were
1:27:11abusing him if they put their hands on
1:27:12him again I was going to get involved
1:27:14and I started helping Walter with his
1:27:16lawyers and ever since I got out of
1:27:18prison I kept my word to stick by him
1:27:20and fight for him so I gave up
1:27:22opportunities could have changed my life
1:27:24and now death row stories is back and
1:27:27they're gonna do my story and Walters
1:27:29still on death row right now yeah and
1:27:30he's innocent and what can be done to
1:27:32help Walter contact Tom wolf and ask him
1:27:34why the innocence projects and the
1:27:37integrity unions won't take up his case
1:27:40there's no evidence and it was clearly I
1:27:43mean when you see the show on death row
1:27:45story it's just laid out so clear I was
1:27:48a little disappointed they didn't
1:27:49mention me that I turned him on to
1:27:51Walter my selfless act was overlooked
1:27:53but that was just my ego but I always am
1:27:56like that and that's what I love I know
1:27:59that they were despicable Joe and the
1:28:01axe that a lot of men did were
1:28:03despicable but if I let that stop me
1:28:06from loving any of them then I was going
1:28:08to be nothing so yeah a lot of them were
1:28:11really messed up man but the ones that
1:28:13needed it I set aside everything and
1:28:16still cared about men so it's a spell on
1:28:18Walters name
1:28:19G ro D Oh crud Walter Oh Grod was
1:28:24convicted of putting a little girl in a
1:28:26box and Philadelphia we need to get Kim
1:28:28Kardashian on the case
1:28:29yeah man cuz this is she's getting
1:28:32people released from pre-kindergarten
1:28:35it's Walter this man has suffered
1:28:38enormous ly prison is he in he's in
1:28:41Greene County Supermax and in pencil
1:28:43pencil vein I fought for my other friend
1:28:46Walt Ernie Simmons he got out the trials
1:28:50of Walter Oh Grod
1:28:51yeah the shocking murder so-called
1:28:53confessions in notorious snitch to sent
1:28:55a man to death row tom Lowenstein came
1:28:57to me while I was still on death row in
1:28:592002 and he said Nick my god your story
1:29:03I want to write a book about you
1:29:04and I said yeah that's brilliant but how
1:29:07about the guy sitting next to me it
1:29:08doesn't have lawyers or DNA or anybody
1:29:10to help him how about helping him
1:29:12because are you crazy you're giving up
1:29:14an opportunity I said dude it ain't like
1:29:17that I love this man he has no lawyers
1:29:20like I do so that's the parrot that's
1:29:23who I am so I didn't take credit for it
1:29:27but I really did try to help another man
1:29:29because I felt like I would be so
1:29:31disappointing if I just took and took
1:29:33and took for myself and you know I'm
1:29:36actually grateful I didn't go on your
1:29:38podcast two years ago I was a homeless
1:29:41person without a family and now I got
1:29:44the two amazing girls Zara and Bethany
1:29:47and my wife Laura these two English
1:29:50girls get the dream life change they get
1:29:53to move from Somerset England out here
1:29:54to organ and my little girl gets on a
1:29:57yellow school bus Joe she goes to bus
1:29:59every day she's in school they they like
1:30:03I'm in the community I got all these
1:30:04wonderful friends up in Oregon like
1:30:06Donny Hobbs and these guys that are my
1:30:08personal friends now I built my
1:30:10community again like I got all these
1:30:12cool people up there that love me I got
1:30:15my wife's right now in Salem with her
1:30:16friend Carly and they're opening up a
1:30:18new shop up there and all this stuff so
1:30:21I I really did it despite not having
1:30:24anything I did exactly what you said I
1:30:26went and overcame the deprivation and
1:30:29found community and built my tribe
1:30:32I know a lot of people struggle to have
1:30:35people in their life that aren't causing
1:30:36conflict it's you is allowing it man go
1:30:39out and find new people to be around
1:30:41because a lot of people want you if
1:30:42you're a nice person it's just hard for
1:30:44people to find those people sometimes
1:30:46and that's where they lose hope you know
1:30:48people they don't and one of the things
1:30:51they don't know where to get started
1:30:52right they don't know how to how to get
1:30:55their life going how to get moving how
1:30:57to feel good how to get success there's
1:31:00so many different things and to those
1:31:02people I say just do something the more
1:31:05things you do the more things you can do
1:31:07do something do anything whether it's
1:31:09commit to walking around the block ten
1:31:11times a night with whatever whether it's
1:31:14committing to writing your your life
1:31:17story and you know it stops a lot of
1:31:19people as their self imagery right
1:31:20mm-hmm
1:31:21I I was convicted of a rape and murder
1:31:25and in everyone's eyes I was a
1:31:27psychologically deranged person I had to
1:31:30live with that stigma every day right
1:31:32then when I got out everybody thought I
1:31:34must be crazy as [ __ ] because I spent
1:31:36eight thousand and fifty seven days in
1:31:38solitary confinement being tortured so
1:31:40there's no way I could be saying right
1:31:44their perspective had no effect on me
1:31:48because by that time I had given myself
1:31:50enough education to know the difference
1:31:53between what was done to me
1:31:55and who I am and this is the problem
1:31:57with a lot of people they fail to stop
1:32:00doing this thing where I am this or I am
1:32:03that and this is the problem so I really
1:32:08have never cared about the perspective
1:32:11of anyone in the negative except for
1:32:15when they got it wrong from my intent to
1:32:18do good with them and then it just
1:32:20became about all my own ego so I
1:32:22realized that the truth is as long as I
1:32:25know I'm doing right and I'm doing good
1:32:27it isn't going to matter about their
1:32:29perspective because the same person who
1:32:30thought I was a rapist scumbag murderer
1:32:32now thinks I'm one of the most eloquent
1:32:34speakers they met in her life their
1:32:36perspective about me changed but mine
1:32:38surely shouldn't but it did and that's
1:32:41where a lot of people suffer from they
1:32:43let that negative comment make them feel
1:32:45like they have to
1:32:46overcome it or have to live with it and
1:32:48I'll tell you what Joe I really never
1:32:50expected this but for the first time in
1:32:52my life from conducting the interview
1:32:54throughout the whole process I've been
1:32:56re-evaluating Who I am and what I'm
1:32:58saying
1:32:58it's like a [ __ ] slap in the face man
1:33:01like I came in here but draggled with my
1:33:04emotions carrying him on my sleeves and
1:33:06all the stress I haven't slept well for
1:33:08days I haven't taken care of my so
1:33:09that's [ __ ]
1:33:10I didn't do well in articulating and you
1:33:15gave me a wake-up call that I've never
1:33:17had before in any experience you can go
1:33:19back and look through the history of the
1:33:21many experiences of a head of interviews
1:33:23and I've done some outstanding ones I've
1:33:26never had a personal experience where
1:33:28throughout the course of speaking to
1:33:30another man I started to reevaluate
1:33:31everything I held firmly to and I
1:33:35promise you I'm gonna go and think a
1:33:37whole lot about this and get my [ __ ]
1:33:39together because I do owe it to a lot of
1:33:40people to be one badass [ __ ]
1:33:42what a hell of a message you're to
1:33:44yourself damn straight man I'm gonna do
1:33:48that I really am man so if you want me
1:33:51to come and speak before your corporate
1:33:53functions or a high school or university
1:33:55I'd do that better than anyone
1:33:58in fact I'm fine one of the finest
1:34:00speakers on the planet and I learned it
1:34:02because I watched Bruce Springsteen you
1:34:05remember that speech he gave at the
1:34:06Oscars for Philadelphia no I never
1:34:09watched the Oscars to get that up oh my
1:34:11god Bruce Springsteen is one of the
1:34:13finest speakers for you - yeah yeah no
1:34:16but just an image but dude gave one of
1:34:18the most profound speeches I'd waste the
1:34:23Ferger he made the nexus point between
1:34:25music and imagery so poignant that I was
1:34:29blown away by it
1:34:31so much so that when we made the
1:34:33documentary fear of 13 that's all I'd
1:34:36kept imagining when I spoke was the
1:34:38imagery we would be lended and I loved
1:34:41the fact that I worked very hard to
1:34:44bring the whole audience into my cell
1:34:47one time to spend with me my story in a
1:34:51way that no one ever did before I
1:34:53[ __ ] rocked it that's awesome
1:34:56yeah I like that I like the fact that I
1:34:59know I have talent in that field I don't
1:35:01want to boast but I have a gift and it
1:35:04came light years ahead of me when I
1:35:06watched I had 400 students in Ealing
1:35:11enraptured at a conference my friend an
1:35:15educator named Edmund Dobson set this
1:35:16whole thing up go there you could hear a
1:35:20pin drop because all along somewhere
1:35:25along the way an energy clicks in and I
1:35:29can hold the room in palm of my hand
1:35:31I've had some amazing experiences with
1:35:34it I don't know how to say it but that
1:35:40cult of personality lore of being on the
1:35:43stage and talking to people is powerful
1:35:46man and I can see why Tony Robbins and
1:35:49everybody gets up in no Nate do that I'm
1:35:51not a life coach I can't coach no one's
1:35:53life but I can tell you about your life
1:35:56in many ways that would make you really
1:36:00invigorated to want to make a better
1:36:02life for yourself but no one could truly
1:36:04be your life coach you got to do that
1:36:06[ __ ] yourself and I love it I love it
1:36:09that I understood those moments because
1:36:11one of the coolest things was I used to
1:36:14go to the Globe Theater anybody that
1:36:17understands Shakespeare understands the
1:36:19Globe Theatre is the center of the world
1:36:21for Shakespeare they would perform Titus
1:36:24Andronicus and then after which
1:36:26Cleopatra would come out on stage and
1:36:30introduce me to the Caryl now I had
1:36:32eight minutes ten minutes tops to do
1:36:35this thing and in eight to ten minutes I
1:36:38had a crowd who had been standing for
1:36:40three hours long play crying put money
1:36:43in a bucket for what I said to them and
1:36:45did it flawlessly every time and I did
1:36:48it for a whole summer in London it was
1:36:50the most amazing experience to stand
1:36:52there and look out over this Vista of
1:36:55London after you did this amazing thing
1:36:57where people never expected you and you
1:37:00are nothing to do with the theater you
1:37:02are just a human rights charity chosen
1:37:04by the theatre to come out and speak and
1:37:06I realized at that moment I had
1:37:09if I could get people who had been
1:37:11standing for three hours watching a play
1:37:13to have wet tears in her eyes putting
1:37:15money shoving it into a bucket for me
1:37:17then I knew I had some ability to
1:37:20finally speak I was no longer in aphasia
1:37:24affected destroyed distorted mind addled
1:37:28by drugs and used beyond belief to
1:37:30distortions of like I was so screwed up
1:37:34to come back to do that I knew I was do
1:37:38you know I wrote this whole book in only
1:37:39three days
1:37:40200 and I have a gift Joe like seriously
1:37:43like I wrote and I have witnesses I
1:37:46wrote the whole book in two and a half
1:37:48days man because it was in me this story
1:37:53monsters madman was so powerful that
1:37:56when I met Laura my wife I told her I
1:37:58said you know what I'm gonna finally do
1:38:00it man I'm gonna get this out and it it
1:38:03just came out for two and a half days I
1:38:06barely slept eight did anything all I
1:38:09did was make love to my wife on a break
1:38:11or right and I mean poured it out and I
1:38:14poured out the whole book and I've
1:38:16realized that was needed to move on and
1:38:18it's what it's the best book I ever
1:38:21wrote my life and I'm so proud that it's
1:38:24my last one cuz I don't have to worry
1:38:25about no more stories I did the thing
1:38:27that was great all right so this one
1:38:29changed this is really fear of 13 my
1:38:32countdown to execution it went through
1:38:34hell it got cancelled it's now a fear of
1:38:3713 then I wrote the kindness approach I
1:38:39did one called my journey through her
1:38:41eyes I didn't bring a copy and you wait
1:38:44a minute do you not want to write like
1:38:46why why do you say that ah because uh
1:38:48because I crafted my series of books
1:38:51that create and captivate my whole
1:38:53entire message right and I want to leave
1:38:56it pure I don't want to then go on and
1:38:59make up falsifications of things that
1:39:03didn't happen so all these are
1:39:05nonfiction all these are nonfiction all
1:39:07these events are true and poignant sin
1:39:09my life and I think that's the best
1:39:11thing to do stay true to who I am I was
1:39:13going to tell one story called that's
1:39:15enough for me as a fictionalized writer
1:39:18just to show everybody my talent because
1:39:21people in the past has said
1:39:22while you can write anything so I was
1:39:24going to do that but I've held back
1:39:26because I thought I want to leave a cool
1:39:28I want to leave it like this is my
1:39:30series of work my work is I wrote to
1:39:33prison books and I wrote two books that
1:39:36will guide people in life how not to be
1:39:39screwed up or bitter and I want to leave
1:39:42that as my message I want to go into
1:39:44other things but those are my books and
1:39:46I'm proud of the work I did I got it out
1:39:48of my system I'm a published author
1:39:50I can go down in history as that right
1:39:52I'm cool with that I don't really want
1:39:55to then push it and think that I can
1:39:57then lure people into reading more works
1:39:59that I can try because that's not really
1:40:01fair to them didn't I mean I want to
1:40:04keep it that way I think that's one of
1:40:06the things I want to try and stay true
1:40:07to now speaking that's my love no Nick
1:40:12if someone wanted to hire you to speak
1:40:14where would they go Nick Harris org so
1:40:17it's really simple everyone on the
1:40:19podcast can easily find me on the other
1:40:21social medias but I have like I said my
1:40:24really close friends Adam Callahan and
1:40:26his wife just had a baby so they're
1:40:28running my website Nick Harris org and a
1:40:31lot of people can reach me for functions
1:40:33like that but I really love the fact
1:40:35that I have a chance also with this my
1:40:37verse com to go ahead and go into
1:40:40schools and there's a really cool thing
1:40:42you know this X generation times three
1:40:44men they're like so computer savvy right
1:40:47so much so did you actually are starting
1:40:50a trend there's no longer 15 minutes of
1:40:53fame there's the five-second video clip
1:40:55of Fame now and it's been reduced it's
1:40:59just like everything's five seconds you
1:41:00know I mean it's no longer so everything
1:41:02in the education field is coming hours
1:41:04or faster and faster so we need to use
1:41:06the analytics of something like my verse
1:41:08to go ahead and get a child to figure
1:41:09out who they can go and be in their
1:41:12careers and then follow that correct
1:41:14path you can't just throw it against the
1:41:16wall anymore Joe you have to really work
1:41:18hard to get children to feel good about
1:41:20being a taxi driver a painter you know
1:41:24it's not no shame to be a person who
1:41:27goes out and does a simple manual job if
1:41:29that makes you happy as a human being
1:41:32you should be able to do that without
1:41:33the stigma right
1:41:34but the school's not going to tell you
1:41:36that you know they're gonna tell you
1:41:39could be anything but why wouldn't you
1:41:41want to find out what would make you
1:41:43happy in life and be that right that
1:41:46makes sense to me
1:41:47so I'm not gonna learn that from school
1:41:49now learn that from people yeah enough
1:41:51from people and you learn that from from
1:41:53online more than anything today and
1:41:55that's why I want to be involved in the
1:41:57educational field I think that's my
1:41:59greatest gift is someone who went to
1:42:00prison who hadn't ever read a book who
1:42:04accomplished the things that he did then
1:42:06can share how the purpose of my
1:42:08education was so that I was able to
1:42:11process life enough to handle it
1:42:13to give myself enough separation to
1:42:15realize who I was as a human being is
1:42:17not the sum total of my misery and that
1:42:20I could then help others structure their
1:42:23lives through politeness to go and get a
1:42:25good education and I love that fact that
1:42:28I worked so hard through all these
1:42:30different things to not lose that
1:42:33message man and it really does work for
1:42:36a lot of young people they find that
1:42:37their self restrict respect really does
1:42:40grow when someone gives them just a
1:42:43small little bit of a break man they're
1:42:47so honest I love I love it I'll never
1:42:49tire of it in that one regards I've
1:42:51touched so many young people's lives men
1:42:53that's beautiful Nick that's a great
1:42:55message and thanks for being here man I
1:42:58really appreciate this yeah me too I
1:43:01really do can I give a quick shot all
1:43:02right so I got some good friends of mine
1:43:05I I really messed up on Alex Ortiz and I
1:43:08like these young dudes these fighters
1:43:10joke they're all mad about you and it I
1:43:12like it what do you think about the
1:43:14Bellator anyway love it yeah yeah I
1:43:18think doing a great job yeah Jesse
1:43:20Kasich asked he's gonna fight this
1:43:22[ __ ] and I like the fact that
1:43:24his father teaches that kun towel with
1:43:26that prison style of martial arts well
1:43:30it's the old style it's like it isn't
1:43:33like the martial arts that most people
1:43:36would know because it's derived from the
1:43:39Filipino prison systems it's like really
1:43:41pure styles of quick attacks and stuff
1:43:44like that so it's nothing to boxing but
1:43:45no III like it that like dudes like Mike
1:43:48born all these guys been really
1:43:49supportive to me and everyone like I
1:43:52said that knew I was coming on air I
1:43:54just want to tell them if I forgot who
1:43:56you are thank you all for being so
1:43:58supportive and I really want to say
1:44:00thank you to my wife for being so there
1:44:03for me lately and I'm really grateful
1:44:05that we've learned in this wonderful
1:44:06lesson that I might belong to you
1:44:09sweetheart but I also have some good
1:44:11left to do and I'm gonna try and do both
1:44:13well and I'm very grateful to everyone
1:44:15listening especially to you mr. Rogan
1:44:18you're really nice young man thanks man
1:44:20I'm grateful to you as well no I mean
1:44:22that Joe and I know you're gonna wish
1:44:24you said I'm a nice young man like
1:44:25you're my grandma you're a nice young
1:44:27man hey even better I'm your sexy
1:44:29granddad give you some love boy thank
1:44:32you go and have a good day everyone I
1:44:33love you around the world bye bye bye
1:44:35moochy man bye bye bye bye everybody
1:44:44[Applause]
1:44:46[Music]

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