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0:12Please rise for the verdict.
0:43Please be seated. The record will show
0:44the presence of the jury, the defendant,
0:47and all counsel. Ms. Arias, you are
0:49still under oath, do you understand?
0:51Yes.
0:51Mr. Martinez, you may cross-examine the
0:53witness.
0:58Ma'am, take a look at exhibit 413.
1:03You recognize that exhibit, correct?
1:05Yes.
1:06And that's a picture of you, correct?
1:08Right here.
1:09And the other one is a picture of your
1:12dumb sister, Angela, correct?
1:17That's my sister. She's not dumb.
1:19Well, do you remember having a
1:20conversation with Travis Alexander back
1:22on May 10th of 2008?
1:25Yes.
1:26And do you remember that you tape
1:27recorded that conversation?
1:29Yes.
1:30And during that conversation, isn't it
1:31true that you said,
1:36"But I honestly think"
1:38talking about Angela,
1:40"she's a little bit dumb." You said
1:42that, right?
1:43Yes, I called her dumb and stupid.
1:46Did I ask you whether or not you called
1:47her stupid, ma'am?
1:48No.
1:49I asked you whether or not you called
1:50her dumb, right?
1:51Yes.
1:57Ma'am, take a look at uh exhibit 452.
2:11Do you recognize the two people there?
2:13Yes.
2:15And this photograph was taken by your
2:18camera, correct?
2:20It looks like it.
2:22Well,
2:23when you say it looks like it, isn't it
2:24part of the same photographs that are
2:26involved in exhibit 413?
2:30Um I think it is.
2:32Well, exhibit number 413, that was taken
2:35on
2:36May 10th. We'll bring it in.
2:39of 2008, right?
2:41Yes.
2:46And this photograph here,
2:49exhibit number 413, features the color
2:52of your hair, doesn't it?
2:53Yes.
2:54Exhibit 452 also features the color of
2:57your hair, doesn't it?
2:58Yes, a different part of my hair.
3:00And this was taken
3:02sometime in May of 2008, correct?
3:04This exhibit?
3:05No, exhibit number 452.
3:07I only remember it was the spring, I
3:08think.
3:09Of 2008?
3:10Yes.
3:12I move for the admission of exhibit 452.
3:15Objection, lack of foundation.
3:18Counsel, approach.
4:33452 is admitted.
4:48May I take a look at
4:50the back of exhibit 452? It contains a
4:52date on there.
4:57Does that date refresh your recollection
4:59as to when this photograph was taken?
5:01Yes.
5:02And what date was this photograph taken?
5:045 days later, the 15th of May, 2008.
5:09And with regard to this photograph,
5:14it also
5:16features
5:18you.
5:22And it also features your sister, the
5:24one that you
5:25also said was stupid, correct?
5:28Yes.
5:29Now, with regard to this name-calling,
5:33one of the things that
5:35we heard through a text message was that
5:37you were upset at some point because Mr.
5:39Alexander said that you were going to
5:43turn out like your mother, or you you
5:45acting like your mother. Do you remember
5:46that text message, ma'am?
5:47Yes.
5:48And in that text message, there was this
5:50indication that somehow he was saying
5:52something bad about your mother, right?
5:55Yes.
5:56And when you testified, you seemed to
5:57get pretty upset about that, right?
6:01I remember getting emotional.
6:03And you indicated that you loved your
6:05mother, right?
6:07I do love my mother, yes.
6:09Did you or did you not indicate that you
6:11loved your mother? I'm not asking you if
6:12you love your mother. I'm asking you if
6:13you indicated it.
6:15I don't remember.
6:17Do you have problems with your memory,
6:18ma'am?
6:19Sometimes.
6:20So, you can tell us, for example, what
6:22kind of coffee you brought at Starbucks
6:25back on June 3rd of 2008, but you can't
6:27tell us what you said yesterday or the
6:29day before?
6:30I always got the same drink at
6:31Starbucks.
6:32And you can tell us, for example, what
6:34type of sex you had with Mr. Alexander
6:36many years ago, but you're having
6:38trouble telling us what you said a
6:40couple of days ago?
6:42When I'm under stress, yeah, it affects
6:44my memory.
6:45I thought you said the relationship Mr.
6:47Alexander was very stressful.
6:49Some of the sex wasn't.
6:50Pardon?
6:51Some of the sex wasn't.
6:52So, you did enjoy the sex then, is that
6:54what you're telling me?
6:54At times I did.
7:11But you did indicate at some point that
7:18as part of your examination, also that
7:21Mr. Alexander at some point said
7:22something about your grandparents also.
7:24Do you remember telling us that?
7:26My grandfather.
7:26Right. Did he make some pejorative
7:28comment or some bad comment about him,
7:29right?
7:30Yes, his name.
7:31Right. And some of the
7:33one of the things that seems to be
7:35coming out here is that you seem to have
7:36a double standard here with regard to
7:38making comments about people, don't you?
7:40Yes, I do.
7:44I do.
7:45And in fact, it's okay for you to make
7:48comments about, for example, Angela and
7:50call her dumb and stupid, right?
7:52No.
7:53Well, but it's
7:55You said it, right?
7:56I did.
7:57And we heard on the telephone
7:58conversation that you were laughing when
8:00you said that, right?
8:02Yeah, it was sentimental kind of.
8:04You were laughing. You weren't upset
8:06when you said it, were you?
8:08No.
8:10And then, when Mr. Alexander says
8:12something like, "You're going to be like
8:14your mother," that's when you get
8:15emotional and upset, right?
8:21I did.
8:22And that's when you And you get upset
8:25when he says something about your
8:26grandfather, right?
8:29That night I was upset.
8:31And well, you did get upset, yes or no?
8:34Um no, because I was already upset.
8:36Well, you didn't get upset on the
8:37witness stand when you told us about
8:39that.
8:39the witness stand, certainly.
8:41And so, it just seems that it's okay
8:44unless it's Mr. It's okay to say these
8:46things unless it's Mr. Alexander that's
8:48saying them, right? So, you're applying
8:50a different standard to Mr. Alexander,
8:52correct? Yes or no?
8:53No.
8:54And ma'am, one of the other things that
8:56we know with regard to this standard
8:59applying and that sort of thing is
9:01back yesterday, as a matter of fact, you
9:03told us that
9:04back in August of 2007,
9:07you went over to Mr. Alexander's house.
9:08Do you remember telling us that?
9:10Yes.
9:11And you remember telling us that that
9:13that time you were broken up with Mr.
9:15Alexander, right?
9:17Yes, I had broken up with him.
9:19Well, you broken up with him or he
9:21broken up with you, one of the two,
9:22right?
9:23I broke up with him about a month later.
9:25he And he broke up with him on June 29th
9:27of 2007, right?
9:28Yes.
9:29But you felt that it was okay for you to
9:33go over to his house in August of 2007,
9:35didn't you?
9:36After he told me, yes.
9:37Yes or no, did you feel it was okay to
9:40go over to his house?
9:41I said yes.
9:42And when you went over to his house, you
9:44indicated that you knocked or you did
9:45something
9:47and that nobody came to the door, right?
9:51I don't I went to his house a lot in
9:53August, so it depends on the incident
9:54that happened.
9:55the incident that you told us about
9:56yesterday. Do you remember the one that
9:58you related that involved the killing?
10:00Do you remember telling us about that?
10:01I did not knock.
10:03And you did go over there and at some
10:05point you started to peep in to the
10:08house, didn't you?
10:09Yes.
10:10So, that means that you don't know if
10:12you knocked, though, right?
10:13I did not knock. I know I did not.
10:15So, you went around the back then to
10:16look, right?
10:18I went around the back to get in.
10:19You went around the back then, right?
10:21Yes.
10:22And when you went around the back,
10:23you're telling us you went around the
10:25back to get in, right?
10:26Yes.
10:27But when you got to the back to get in,
10:30you started to look at what was going
10:31on, right?
10:33I glanced in as I was walking to the
10:35sliding glass door.
10:36You did walk in and you were looking at
10:37what was going on, right?
10:39not walk in.
10:41Then you were from outside looking in,
10:43right?
10:43Yes.
10:44Never went in, right?
10:45No, I ran out of the backyard.
10:47You never went in, yes or no?
10:49I said no.
10:50And when you went and looked, you saw
10:52something that upset you, right?
10:54Yes.
10:55You saw Mr. Alexander, right?
10:59I didn't know it was him at first, but
11:00yes.
11:00did you see him during that encounter?
11:02Yes, she's she's answering the question.
11:04I don't know what you're talking
11:07Answer the question.
11:08I did. I said no.
11:10Pardon?
11:10I didn't know it was him at first.
11:12You didn't see him when you were there
11:13that night?
11:14I did afterwards, yes.
11:15That night, ma'am. Listen to my
11:17question. That night, did you see Mr.
11:19Alexander inside that house, yes or no?
11:21Yes.
11:22And inside that house, there was a
11:24female, right?
11:25Yes.
11:26What's the name of the female?
11:30He didn't tell me her name.
11:31I've asked that. did I ask you if he
11:33told you the name?
11:36No.
11:37So, did you recognize her?
11:40No, I did not.
11:42And he was there with the female though.
11:44You were able to see her face though,
11:45right?
11:46Yes, sort of.
11:48Well, yes or sort of means two different
11:50things. Yes or no, were you able to see
11:52her face or not?
11:53Part of it was shadowed from the TV
11:55behind her, so I saw part of it.
11:57Judge, she's not answering my question
11:58if you could instruct her.
12:00Witness, listen carefully to the
12:01question and answer only the question
12:03you are asked.
12:04Okay.
12:04You may continue.
12:06Could you see her face, yes or no?
12:09Part of it.
12:11And but you were able to see that they
12:13were making out, right?
12:15Oh, yeah, they were.
12:16And so, is that a yes?
12:18They were making out, right?
12:19Mhm.
12:20Is that a yes?
12:20Yes.
12:21And part of what you also saw was that
12:23her brassiere was off, right?
12:27I did not see that. I just saw her
12:28re-hook her bra.
12:29Pardon?
12:30I didn't see it all the way off. I just
12:31saw it.
12:32You indicated that you saw her
12:33re-hooking the brassiere back on, right?
12:35You told us that yesterday, yes?
12:36She was re-hooking it, yes.
12:38So, you did tell us that yesterday,
12:39right?
12:39Yes.
12:40So, that means that at least at the her
12:42bra was unhooked, right?
12:43It was unhooked.
12:44And you stood there and they stood up in
12:47reaction to something that you did. Is
12:48that what you're telling us?
12:49No.
12:50They didn't see you.
12:51They didn't see me.
12:52But you saw you So, the So, what
12:55happened then is you actually were
12:56watching what they were doing then,
12:57right?
12:58Briefly, yes.
13:00Did I ask you for how long, ma'am?
13:01No.
13:03I asked you if you stood there and
13:04watched them, right?
13:05No.
13:06You You didn't stand there and watch
13:08them?
13:08I didn't stand there. I saw it and then
13:10I turned and ran out of the backyard.
13:11But you saw enough to know that they
13:13were kissing, right?
13:15Um yes.
13:17You used the term making out, didn't you
13:18yesterday?
13:19Yes.
13:20You You were there long enough to see
13:21that one of the individuals was Mr.
13:23Alexander, not his roommate, right?
13:25Yes.
13:26You were able to see that it was a
13:27female, right?
13:29Yes.
13:29You were able to see that the bra was
13:31unhooked, right?
13:33Yes.
13:33And there weren't The lights weren't on,
13:36right?
13:37There was a light.
13:38Well, didn't you indicate that it was
13:39like a TV kind of light that was
13:41That light. Yes.
13:42Right? So, there wasn't a light, there
13:44was a television that was on, right?
13:46That's light.
13:47Ma'am,
13:49was it a light or was it a television
13:51that was on?
13:52It was light from a television screen.
13:54So, are you saying that it was a
13:55television that was on then?
13:57Yes.
13:58And from that light, you were able to
13:59make all of this out, correct?
14:02Yes.
14:03No other light was on, right?
14:06Not that I recall.
14:08And then you decided to leave, right?
14:10Yes.
14:11And this was at the point that you were
14:12living very close to Mr. Alexander,
14:14right?
14:15No.
14:16Well, you were living within 10 miles of
14:19him, weren't you?
14:20Um I was living by Greenfield and
14:21Broadway. I don't know the length.
14:23How long would it take you to drive
14:25there?
14:25About 15 minutes, depending on traffic.
14:28And
14:30after you saw this, one of the things
14:31that you did was that you took off,
14:33right?
14:34Yes.
14:35And
14:36then you thought about it, right?
14:39Of course.
14:41And you felt strongly enough about this
14:44that the next day you called your
14:46father, right?
14:48I called my parents' house and my dad
14:49Yes yes or no, you spoke to your father.
14:51I did speak to him.
14:52And you were crying, right?
14:54Yes.
14:55And you were upset
14:56about this, right?
14:57Yes.
14:57And you told him why you were upset,
14:59right?
14:59Yes.
15:00I thought you said before that you
15:01didn't discuss these issues involving
15:03you and Mr. Alexander.
15:04Not typically.
15:06Not typically. You said you didn't that
15:07yesterday and all the days before. You
15:10remember telling us that?
15:12The violence, yes.
15:13Oh, I see. So, but you did discuss the
15:15fact that you saw him kissing with
15:17somebody else with your father, right?
15:18Yes.
15:19And as a result of that, you decided to
15:22go talk to Mr. Alexander about it,
15:24right?
15:24Yes.
15:25What in the world
15:27gave you the right to go talk to an
15:30ex-boyfriend
15:32with who, according to you, you'd broken
15:34up with? What right do you have to do
15:36that?
15:36Objection, Your Honor. Sorry to
15:37interrupt.
15:38Sustained.
15:40Ma'am,
15:42did you feel
15:44that you could go and talk to him about
15:45that?
15:46Of course.
15:47Why? Weren't you broken up?
15:49Yes.
15:50You were being territorial about him,
15:52weren't you?
15:52No.
15:54Oh, you weren't? Then why in the world
15:56did you would you even care what he was
15:57doing?
15:59Because he was trying to court me back.
16:02That's you telling us that he was trying
16:04to court you back. If he's trying to
16:05court you back, you could have just
16:06walked away at that point, couldn't you?
16:09Yeah, I could have at any time, I guess.
16:11Well, you at that point you could have
16:13walked away, right?
16:14Yes.
16:15You didn't need him for his paycheck,
16:16right? Cuz he wasn't giving you money,
16:18right?
16:18He was giving me money.
16:19Well, that was for some work, but you
16:21could have gotten other work, right?
16:23I guess I could have looked.
16:24You guess?
16:25You worked at other places. You know you
16:27could have gotten other work, couldn't
16:28you?
16:28Not in August. It's very slow season for
16:30restaurants.
16:31So, you're saying that you were
16:33restricted in only getting work at
16:35restaurants, that there's no other kind
16:36of work that you could get?
16:39Restaurants is
16:40Yes or no?
16:42I guess that would be no, but I hadn't
16:43thought about it.
16:44So, then in addition to that, you were
16:47living in your own place, right?
16:50No.
16:51Well, you were living with Mr.
16:52Alexander?
16:53No.
16:54You were living elsewhere, weren't you?
16:56Yes.
16:56You were living in another place, right?
16:58Yes.
16:59Where you were paying rent, right?
17:01No.
17:02You weren't paying any rent at all?
17:03Not with Rachel.
17:04So, in other words, it was even better
17:06for you. You didn't even have to worry
17:07about having to pay the rent, right?
17:09Yes.
17:10And so,
17:12you could have just let that situation
17:14alone, but you decided to confront him
17:16anyway, right?
17:18Of course.
17:19And the reason that you did it is
17:21because you were jealous, right?
17:23No.
17:25And then you did talk to him about this
17:27issue, correct?
17:28Yes.
17:29And he got upset with you, right?
17:32No.
17:33He didn't get upset and scream and run
17:34upstairs, isn't that what you told us
17:36yesterday?
17:36Yes, he did.
17:39So,
17:40ma'am, to go back to this issue
17:42involving the text messages, one of the
17:45things that you told us was that there
17:46was a text message that you sent to
17:48somebody by the name of Steve, Steve
17:49Carroll, right?
17:51Yes.
17:51And that it was a two-part text message,
17:54right?
17:55Yes.
17:56And this two-part text message, one part
18:00ended up going to Mr. Alexander, right?
18:03Yes.
18:04And that he got upset about it, right?
18:08Very yes.
18:09And after he got upset about it, one of
18:12the things that he wanted was to see the
18:13second part of this text message, right?
18:15Yes.
18:16And so you lied to him at that point,
18:18right?
18:20No.
18:20Well, you fabricated a second text
18:23message, didn't you?
18:24After that point, yes.
18:25So,
18:27do you Are you telling me that
18:28fabricating a text message is not a lie?
18:31No, I'm not saying that.
18:33So, you did lie to him,
18:35Mr. Alexander, right?
18:36you and asked you and asked you.
18:40Um
18:42yes and no.
18:43So, you think that
18:45sending him
18:47that text message
18:49and telling him, "This is the second
18:51part of the text message," that that's
18:52not a lie even though you fabricated it.
18:54That part was the lie.
18:56And so,
18:59you then were asked the question, "Well,
19:01how did that make you feel?"
19:03when Mr. Alexander was sending you these
19:06text messages as involving Mr. Carroll.
19:09Do you remember those that line of
19:10questioning?
19:12Yes.
19:16We're applying a different standard
19:17here, then, right?
19:19Objection, argumentative.
19:21Sustained.
19:22With regard to this
19:24issue of how you feel,
19:28isn't that the same way that you felt
19:32when you were peeping in his window
19:35in August of 2007? Isn't that the same
19:37kind of feeling that you were having?
19:39The same as what?
19:40As the one involving Steve Carroll.
19:45I don't know.
19:46You were mad at Mr. Alexander both
19:47times, weren't you?
19:49I wasn't mad at Alexander.
19:51You weren't mad at him, or you were
19:52upset with him then, right?
19:54At what time?
19:56Either time.
19:58Steve Carroll, no. The girl from
20:00Phoenix, yes.
20:02And
20:03so it just seems that it's okay for you
20:06to lie to him about a guy,
20:08but when it comes to him
20:11being with some other girl,
20:13you decide to confront him, right?
20:17Yes.
20:18And one of the other things that you
20:19told us yesterday was that you were
20:21monogamous with Mr. Alexander, right?
20:24Sexually monogamous, yes.
20:26Ma'am, you
20:27you told us you were monogamous, and
20:29that's what monogamous means, sexually,
20:30doesn't it?
20:35I think it means more than that,
20:36sometimes.
20:37Well, in this case, monogamous means
20:39sexually, doesn't it?
20:40Objection, mischaracterizes the
20:41testimony.
20:43Re-state your question.
20:45When you say monogamous, it means
20:46sexually, doesn't it?
20:50Which time?
20:51What we're talking The time that we're
20:52talking about right now.
20:54Involving Mr. Alexander, no other time.
20:56Our relationship evolved, so
20:58I'm not asking you if it evolved. At the
21:00end, right when you killed him, you
21:01indicated that you were monogamous with
21:03him, right?
21:04Yes.
21:05And at that time, you then left
21:08the
21:10killing scene, if you will, and you went
21:11up to Utah, right?
21:12Yes.
21:13And when you went up to Utah, ma'am, you
21:15ended up with somebody by the name of
21:16Ryan Burns, right?
21:18Yes.
21:18And you ended up in his bed, right?
21:22I think it was a love sack.
21:23Okay. And with regard to that at that
21:25point, according to you, Mr. Alexander
21:28still wasn't dead, was he?
21:32It wasn't discussed.
21:33Well, did I ask you whether or not you
21:35discussed it with Mr. Burns?
21:37I didn't, did I?
21:39I wasn't talking about Mr. Burns.
21:41I'm asking you at that time, didn't you
21:43tell us yesterday at the time that you
21:45went up to Utah, you weren't sure if he
21:47was dead. Do you remember telling us
21:48that?
21:52Not in Utah, from the Hoover Dam or
21:54right before the checkpoint.
21:56So, when did you know that he was dead?
21:58Tell me that.
22:04Well, I got confirmation of it on June
22:0610th, but
22:07So, okay, if you got confirmation on
22:09June 10th, you you met with Mr. Burns
22:11what? Before June 10th, didn't you?
22:13Yes.
22:14You met him on the 5th, right?
22:16Yes.
22:17And so, at that point, you didn't know,
22:19according to your own story, that Mr.
22:21Alexander was dead, right?
22:25I guess I knew
22:29I didn't wasn't accepting it.
22:31You either knew or you didn't. Which one
22:33is it, ma'am? Make up your mind, please.
22:35Objection, ask and answered.
22:38Ask another question.
22:40Did you know he was dead when you and
22:42Mr. Burns
22:45and he were kissing?
22:46Objection, ask and answered. Same
22:48question.
22:48Overruled.
22:50Um
22:51yeah, I think I did.
22:53You think you did, but you're not sure
22:54at that point.
22:58I don't It wasn't really in my own mind.
23:00I was out of my mind, sort of.
23:01So, if you didn't think he was dead, if
23:04that portion of you didn't think he was
23:05dead, then it's okay for you, at that
23:08point, if you didn't think he was dead,
23:10to sort of roll around with Mr.
23:12Alexander then, and with Mr. Byrd.
23:16And that was okay, right?
23:19I'm single.
23:21Right?
23:22Just like he was on August 7th of 2000
23:24and on August 8th of 2000 and August of
23:262007, right?
23:28Yes.
23:29So, it's okay for you, then it should be
23:30okay for him, right?
23:32It was okay.
23:33Then why did you confront him the next
23:34day if it was okay?
23:36Cuz he was still courting me. I wanted
23:37to know where I stood.
23:38And so, because of he was still
23:40your definition, courting you, you felt
23:42that you deserved an explanation, right?
23:44Yes.
23:45Didn't Didn't you just have intercourse
23:47with Mr. Alexander on the 4th of June?
23:50Yes.
23:51And if he was still alive, he would have
23:53deserved an explanation then for you
23:54being with Mr. Byrd, right?
23:56No.
23:57Well, no, is it Aren't we That's You're
23:59applying a different standard here,
24:00aren't you?
24:01No.
24:02You're saying one it's okay for you to
24:04confront him about the situation, but
24:06not okay for Mr. Alexander to confront
24:08you, right?
24:10If he wanted to confront me, it would
24:11have been okay.
24:12Ma'am, with regard to the exhibit number
24:154
24:1652
24:18it does show you, right?
24:21Correct?
24:21Yes.
24:22And it shows again
24:23Angela, correct?
24:25Yes.
24:25Show something else on there, though,
24:27doesn't it? Doesn't it show your hand?
24:29Yes.
24:30And in fact, let me show you another
24:32close-up of that hand.
24:54Here we're going objecting the
24:55foundation.
24:59Please approach.
25:43Now, take a look at exhibit number 453
25:46and then also take a look at exhibit
25:47452.
25:56Exhibit 453 is a close-up of your hand,
25:58right?
25:58Yes.
25:59And it's And then you would have also
26:01seen the jewelry around your sister's
26:02neck.
26:03Yes.
26:03Exhibit 453, correct?
26:05Yes.
26:07And you previously have I've told us
26:10about exhibit 452 and when it was taken
26:12and who's in that photograph, correct?
26:14Yes.
26:14I move for the admission of exhibit 453.
26:16No objection.
26:36And ma'am, this was also taken,
26:38according to your testimony, on May
26:3915th. Let's take a look at that.
26:41Of 2008.
26:47That's a picture of your left hand,
26:49isn't it?
26:49Yes.
26:50And that shows your ring finger, right?
26:52Yes.
26:52Do you remember that you testified that
26:54on January 22nd of 2008, you and Mr.
26:58Alexander were involved in some sort of
27:00violent encounter. Do you remember
27:01telling us about that?
27:02Yes.
27:03And you told us that during that
27:04encounter, he threw you down. Do you
27:06remember that?
27:07Yes.
27:08And while you were down, that he kicked
27:09you, right?
27:10Yes.
27:11And when he kicked you, ma'am, one of
27:12the things that happened was that you
27:14put up your left hand. Do you remember
27:15telling us that?
27:17Yes, both hands.
27:18Well, you told us specifically about
27:20your left hand, right?
27:21Yes.
27:22And when you went to put up your left
27:24hand, according to you, he kicked you
27:27and he damaged your
27:29ring finger on the left hand, correct?
27:30Yes.
27:31And in fact, you even held it up for us,
27:33didn't you?
27:34Yes.
27:34And it was crooked when you showed it to
27:36us, wasn't it?
27:38It's bent. Yes.
27:39It's bent. Show us how bent it is again,
27:41ma'am.
27:44Higher, so we can see it sideways.
27:47Ma'am,
27:48if he caused that damage
27:52on January
27:5322nd of 2008, that would have been
27:56before this picture that we have here,
27:58which is exhibit number
28:00453. It would have been about
28:025 months before that, right?
28:04It was before that.
28:065 months, right?
28:08Four.
28:09Four months then, right?
28:10Yes.
28:11You don't have a bent finger here in
28:13exhibit 453, do you?
28:15My finger is bent there.
28:17You're saying that your finger is bent
28:18there.
28:19Yes. Just the
28:20your finger again.
28:22Sideways, so we can also see it.
28:24But my fingers are straightened. This
28:26one stays
28:26And that's what it looks like, your
28:27finger.
28:28And you're saying that's what happened
28:30on January 22nd of 2008, right?
28:32Yes.
28:33Ma'am, one of the other things involving
28:35this particular finger, it seems to have
28:37had its run, if you will, of bad things
28:41happen to it, right?
28:43This finger?
28:44Yes, the left ring finger.
28:49I don't know.
28:50Well, you talked to Ryan Burns about it,
28:53didn't you?
28:53Yes.
28:54And you told him that that finger, the
28:57left ring finger, had been damaged,
29:00right? Injured, didn't you?
29:04I don't know if it was the left.
29:07You don't remember telling him it was
29:08the left ring finger, ma'am?
29:09No.
29:11Do you Again, do you have a problem with
29:13memory?
29:14Occasionally.
29:16And so, some of the things that you told
29:18us, for example, then about
29:20other things in the past,
29:23you may have also had problems with your
29:24memory then, right?
29:26Yes.
29:27And so, whatever you told us in the past
29:30is somewhat suspect then because your
29:32memory may be lacking.
29:33Objection, argumentative.
29:36I only told things I remember clearly
29:38that are crystallized in my mind.
29:40With regard to Mr. Burns,
29:42you do remember who he was, right?
29:44Yes.
29:45And you do remember that you went over
29:47to West Jordan to meet him, right?
29:49Yes.
29:50And you do remember that you did meet
29:51him that Thursday, and it was sometime
29:53around 11:00 in the morning, right?
29:56I think so, yes.
29:58And when you met him, you guys decided
30:00to go somewhere to a restaurant for some
30:01sort of business meeting, right?
30:03Yes.
30:04And during that time, didn't you have a
30:06bandage on your finger?
30:08Yes.
30:09And it was your left finger, wasn't it?
30:12No.
30:13It was your right finger then, right?
30:15Is that what you're saying, it was your
30:16right finger?
30:17It was two right fingers.
30:18So, it was your right finger then,
30:19right?
30:21Um
30:22Are you sure that it was your right
30:24finger?
30:25It was two.
30:26Pardon?
30:27Two right fingers.
30:28Do you remember then that you had a
30:29conversation with Detective Flores about
30:32this issue involving the finger?
30:33Yes.
30:34And do you remember that that was on
30:35July 16th of 2008?
30:37Yes.
30:38And did you remember that you told him
30:41that on June 4th
30:44you had been over at Mr. Alexander's
30:46home, right?
30:47Yes.
30:48And you told him that you were over at
30:50Mr. Alexander's home and that some guy
30:53and some girl had come in, right?
30:55Yes.
30:56And during whatever happened on June
30:584th, you told Detective Flores that it
31:01was your left finger
31:04that had been damaged. Do you remember
31:05that?
31:06Yes.
31:07So, you did tell that to the detective
31:10that it happened on June 4th, right?
31:13Yes.
31:14Does that then
31:15Does that then refresh your
31:16recollection? And we'll play it so that
31:18we know what we're talking about.
31:23Okay.
31:25Objection. She's already admitted to
31:28I'm moving it in not for impeachment
31:29purposes, just for limited state versus
31:31Apple.
31:33Approach from counsel.
34:34Mhm.
35:13454 is admitted.
36:10Did you get hurt, though?
36:11You said you were fighting with her.
36:13Yeah.
36:14What happened to you?
36:16Um, she got me.
36:17Where?
36:18My hand.
36:19Let me see. Where at?
36:21You can't really see it. You can't see
36:22it. If you look at um
36:24My finger isn't the same, though.
36:26I was
36:28I was just
36:29Which Where's Where did I get cut?
36:32It was kind of It was conveniently it
36:34was right on the crease.
36:35Right there on the crease?
36:37Can you see?
36:38Well, it's kind of a purple-y color, I
36:40guess.
36:41And then there's this
36:42Yeah, right on the crease.
36:44Well, there's a vein on this one, maybe.
36:46I don't know.
36:47Is this one here?
36:49Yeah.
36:50It's a little slice there.
36:51Yeah.
36:52Just a small one?
36:54Um
36:55Was it pretty deep?
36:56I don't know how deep it was, but my
36:57finger hurt for a long for a while.
37:00Okay. So, like right in that crease that
37:02you
37:03Right. It crossed both of them?
37:05Uh not my middle finger. It cut this one
37:08a little, but not as much. This is where
37:09it really went in. I don't know how it
37:11happened that all these other fingers
37:13were missed, but this one Maybe that. I
37:15don't know.
37:16This one. Like I still can't close this
37:18finger all the way. This is close as it
37:20goes. Whereas this one goes like that.
37:22Mhm.
37:22Also, my CTR ring used to fit both
37:24fingers, and I can't get it on this
37:25finger anymore.
37:26So, it cut pretty deep then?
37:28I guess. If you feel it, squeeze it. It
37:30just feels like bone. Like there's
37:31nothing abnormal there.
37:33Mhm.
37:34But again, like my CTR ring slides right
37:36on this finger. It used to slide right
37:38on this finger, and I just can't fit a
37:40ring on here.
37:40Okay.
37:41It's a bigger size now.
37:44What about this here? What's that from?
37:46That's my cat.
37:48Okay.
37:48I'm pretty sure she scratches me a lot.
37:52That tape or that video tape, right?
37:55Yes.
37:56And that's you having the conversation
37:57discussing the left ring finger, right?
38:00Yes.
38:00And you demonstrated to Detective Flores
38:02that left ring finger, right?
38:05Yes.
38:05And you told him that this woman during
38:08this attack on June 4th of 2008 cut you
38:11right there, didn't you?
38:12Yes.
38:12And you showed him and the finger, if we
38:15look at it there,
38:16had the same aspect or had the same
38:19angle to it that your finger does now,
38:21doesn't it?
38:22Yes.
38:25Ma'am, the injury to your finger
38:28happened on June 4th, 2008, not January
38:3222nd of 2008, did it?
38:35That's not correct.
38:38Ma'am,
38:39with regard to the story involving this
38:41particular
38:42uh issue,
38:51you
38:53told us that it happened on January 22nd
38:57of 2008, right?
38:59Which issue?
39:01The left ring finger.
39:02Yes.
39:03You then
39:04discussed it or there was a this issue
39:07with Ryan Burns, right?
39:10Which issue?
39:12The cut finger.
39:13The cut finger, yes.
39:15And then
39:15fingers.
39:17on July 16th of 2008, you discussed it
39:21with Detective Flores, right?
39:22Yes.
39:23One of the things that you told
39:25Mr. Burns was that you cut it at
39:27Margaritaville while you were working
39:29there, right?
39:30No, I did not say that.
39:30You never told him that then, right?
39:32I said at work.
39:34So, you never told him at Margaritaville
39:36then, right?
39:37No, he said that.
39:39Right, but you never told him that you
39:41cut it at Margaritaville, right?
39:43No.
39:44You told him that you cut it at work
39:46then, right?
39:47Yes.
39:48And then, when you spoke to Detective
39:50Flores, you gave him a different story.
39:51You didn't say that it was cut at work.
39:53You told him that it was cut some other
39:54way, right?
39:55Yes.
39:57And then, you testified about it in this
39:59court, right?
40:00Yes.
40:01And you gave us
40:03another story of how this happened,
40:05right?
40:05No.
40:06Well, do you remember that you testified
40:08that you were at Mr. Alexander's home on
40:10June 4th of 2008 at the sink? Do you
40:12remember telling us that?
40:13Yes.
40:14And do you remember telling us that that
40:16you dropped the glass in Mr. Alexander's
40:18house.
40:20June 4th.
40:22Whatever date you were there at Mr.
40:23Alexander's house.
40:26I broke more than one glass at his
40:27house.
40:28Ma'am, do you remember testifying
40:30yesterday about how you suffered this
40:32injury to your finger? Yes or no?
40:35Not this finger.
40:37No? Do you remember testifying that
40:40involving your finger, your left ring
40:42finger yesterday as a matter of fact,
40:44that
40:46that was cut
40:48when you dropped the glass when you were
40:49at Mr. Alexander's house
40:52on the day that you killed him.
40:54I did not indicate my left finger. I
40:56said my
40:56you were saying it was your right finger
40:58that you cut at Mr. Alexander's house
41:00then, right?
41:00It was my right finger, yes.
41:02So,
41:03throughout this whole thing,
41:05Mr. Burns, when he indicated what finger
41:07it was, he was mistaken Well, not he was
41:09mistaken. You're saying you never told
41:10Mr. Burns that it was the right finger
41:12that you cut, right?
41:16We didn't discuss which hand.
41:18Okay. So, you you're you never indicated
41:20to him in any way, shape, or form that
41:22it was the right finger.
41:24She actually asked me that.
41:26Mistake.
41:34Ma'am, this issue of the
41:3822nd of January 22nd
41:41when you injured when you say that you
41:43were injured.
41:44Um you kept a journal, didn't you?
41:49You You kept a journal, didn't you?
41:50Yes, I did.
41:51And you didn't write in it all the time,
41:54but you wrote in it some of the time,
41:55right?
41:56Frequently, yes.
41:57Frequently. And you were writing about
41:59what was going on in your life back in
42:01January of
42:032008, right?
42:04Yes.
42:05And you would write about things that
42:06were significant to you.
42:10Some things.
42:12Right. And in fact with regard to
42:14um
42:15this particular journal you knew that
42:17you could almost write anything that you
42:19wanted in it because it was going to
42:21stay private, right?
42:22No.
42:23Well,
42:24well, let me show you
42:27or let me mark that
42:28as an exhibit.
43:33Take a look at exhibit 242.001.
43:39Do you recognize it?
43:41Yes, I do.
43:42And that's your journal, right?
43:45Sure is.
43:51Take a look at
43:54the entry, just read it to yourself,
43:57on Sunday, August 26th of '07.
44:05The whole entry?
44:06Just read the
44:07first five lines.
44:12Six lines.
44:22Yes.
44:23You wrote that, right?
44:24Yes.
44:25Take a look at exhibit number 455.
44:28Is this a true and accurate copy of
44:30those
44:32five or six lines?
44:37Yes.
44:38And you wrote that back on August 26th
44:40of '07, right?
44:41Yes.
44:42Can I have that back, please?
44:52Move for the admission of exhibit number
44:54455.
46:17I don't
46:17You may.
51:29455 is admitted.
53:44Shh. this one entry?
53:46Yes, just that one entry of August 26th
53:49of '07.
53:49Okay.
53:50I know you have two entries, but the
53:51first entry is the one we're talking
53:52about.
53:53Yeah, it looks like I have three on that
53:54day.
53:56But have you read the first entry that
53:58involves this particular snippet?
53:59Yes.
54:00Thank you.
54:03Mr. Alexander, please read all entries
54:05before answering the questions for my
54:07position.
54:11Overall.
54:33This journal and your journals were
54:35meant to be private, right?
54:37Yes.
54:38And that's what it says there. Well, I
54:39guess it's a good thing that nobody else
54:41reads this because I write right now
54:44that I love Travis Victor Alexander so
54:46completely
54:47that I don't know any other way to be,
54:49correct? That's what it says.
54:50Yes.
54:51Do you remember when we started talking
54:53this morning that we talked about uh an
54:56incident where you went over to his
54:57house?
54:59Yes.
54:59And this was the incident that you
55:01referenced
55:02uh involving the killing, right? That it
55:04went through your head, right?
55:07Um you talking about the incident in
55:09August 2007?
55:10Right, exactly.
55:12And that incident in August of 2007
55:15where you went over and peeped inside of
55:17his house happened before this entry
55:19here of Sunday, August 26th of '07,
55:21right?
55:23Peep.
55:25What was the last thing you said?
55:26He said by saying peep.
55:29Re-state your question.
55:30When you looked inside the house.
55:34Yes, it did happen before this entry.
55:36Right. And so really the reason why you
55:39confronted Mr. Alexander was not because
55:41he owed you an explanation or anything
55:43like that. The reason you confronted him
55:46back in August of 2007
55:49was because you were in love with him
55:51and you didn't want to let him go,
55:52I'm not sure if that's argumentative.
55:55I don't know what to do.
55:57That's not right.
56:00But I was in love with him.
56:01Yes, you did write this though, didn't
56:03you?
56:03Yes.
56:05Now,
56:07you you kept more than one journal, you
56:09kept a number of journals, right?
56:13Um I kept one journal at a time.
56:16Okay.
56:17Let's uh take a look at the other
56:18journal.
56:56You definitely wrote this.
56:57Yes.
58:20You recognize it, right?
58:22Yes.
58:22Would you open it up and look through
58:23it?
58:35That's your writing in throughout that
58:37whole journal, right?
58:38Yes.
58:47There is an entry for
58:50Thursday, January 24th, 2008, right?
58:54Yes.
58:55Just take a look at it.
59:00See that?
59:01Yes.
59:02Let me mark another exhibit for you.
59:20Take a look at exhibit 456.
59:32The whole the exhibit that you have in
59:35front of you, that's the whole entry for
59:38January 24th
59:402008, correct?
59:44I don't believe it is for this single
59:46one, yes.
59:47There are other entries, but that's the
59:48complete entry for that one, correct?
59:50Because it's written in blue ink, right?
59:53Yes.
59:53And the other ones are are written in
59:54black, right?
59:55Um yes, the one following.
59:57Okay.
1:00:07We move to the admission of exhibit
1:00:08number 456.
1:01:38Where are you from?
1:01:39Vietnam.
1:02:54And then can I take a look at
1:02:56this exhibit number 242-002?
1:03:00We talked about the entry of January
1:03:0324th of 2008.
1:03:05Take a look
1:03:07this journal.
1:03:09And isn't it true that the previous
1:03:13in terms of chronological time
1:03:16that the previous entry
1:03:18is on January 20th
1:03:21of 2008.
1:03:22Yes.
1:03:23So, there's a gap of
1:03:264 days between the time you wrote on
1:03:28January 20th and on January 24th of
1:03:312008, right?
1:03:32Yes.
1:03:32Nothing in between, correct?
1:03:35Not in the journal.
1:03:36I'm not I'm asking about the journal,
1:03:38ma'am.
1:03:39That's correct.
1:03:39anything else in front of you?
1:03:40Asked and answered, Your Honor, and I'm
1:03:42arguing that
1:03:43Sustained.
1:03:44In the journal, ma'am, there are no
1:03:46other entries between January
1:03:4920th 20th of 2008 and January 24th of
1:03:522008, right?
1:03:53Yes.
1:03:54If we then take a look at exhibit 456,
1:03:57let's see what you wrote
1:03:59on Thursday, January 24th of 2008.
1:04:06You wrote,
1:04:08"I haven't written because there has
1:04:10been nothing noteworthy to report."
1:04:13Correct?
1:04:13Yes.
1:04:14Didn't you tell us involving the finger
1:04:18that
1:04:19this injury to your left finger when Mr.
1:04:22Alexander went to kick you, that that
1:04:24happened on January 22nd of 2008?
1:04:27Yes, it did.
1:04:28And yet you write here that nothing
1:04:31noteworthy has happened, right?
1:04:34Yes.
1:04:35And then you also write that you turned
1:04:38down four offers for a date
1:04:40on Friday night, right?
1:04:42Yes.
1:04:43You were free to date and so was he,
1:04:44right?
1:04:45Yes.
1:04:47And
1:04:49then you finish it up by talking about
1:04:52going up to the snow, right?
1:04:55See that?
1:04:57Yes.
1:04:58You're going to go up there skiing, you
1:04:59crossed it out, and you just are going
1:05:00to go up to the snow, right?
1:05:02Yes.
1:05:03Did you go skiing?
1:05:04No, I don't ski.
1:05:05Pardon?
1:05:06I don't ski. No, I didn't go.
1:05:08All right.
1:05:26The entry of January 20th of 2008.
1:05:31Take a look at exhibit number
1:05:33242.02.
1:05:35Count the pages, please.
1:05:40The pages between the two?
1:05:43No, just the your entry of Sunday,
1:05:44January 20th of 2008.
1:05:47Do you want me to show you where it is
1:05:48here?
1:05:48I have it.
1:05:56Um, it's four and a few lines.
1:05:58And it starts on the lower left-hand
1:06:00corner with three lines in the calendar
1:06:03day,
1:06:04indicating January 20th January 20th of
1:06:062008, right?
1:06:07Yes, I'm sorry, misspoke. It's five
1:06:09pages and a few lines.
1:06:11And in it is one of the things that you
1:06:13talk about
1:06:15is this issue involving Lonnie's
1:06:17baptism, right?
1:06:19I haven't read it. Can I read it?
1:06:20Sure, go ahead.
1:08:54I moved away from Lonnie, so if you want
1:08:55me to finish it, if you're going to ask
1:08:56me about the rest of the entry, I can
1:08:58read that.
1:08:58I'm asking you about reading the whole
1:09:00entry of Sunday, June 20th, 2008. Go
1:09:02ahead and finish it.
1:10:11Yes.
1:10:14It does talk about Lonnie's baptism,
1:10:16right?
1:10:17Yes.
1:10:17And previously when you testified, you
1:10:19indicated that the reason you missed
1:10:21Lonnie's baptism is because you and Mr.
1:10:24Alexander were involved in a sexual
1:10:26liaison, right?
1:10:27Yes.
1:10:28And you And this was the sexual liaison
1:10:30where the Pop Rocks and the Tootsie Pops
1:10:34were involved, right?
1:10:36That's what you said, right?
1:10:37I'd have to reference dates.
1:10:39Well, why don't I show you a copy of the
1:10:41transcript then and see if that
1:10:42refreshes your recollection as to what
1:10:45you told us
1:10:50on February 12th.
1:10:52I would appreciate that.
1:10:53All right, I will.
1:11:19Starting on page five.
1:11:22Read that.
1:11:26Would you like me to read it out loud?
1:11:27To yourself.
1:11:35Just the highlighted portion?
1:11:37Nope, just keep reading it.
1:11:38Okay.
1:11:39Starting at the bottom, right?
1:11:41Right.
1:13:24You know, we would have answered any
1:13:25questions on the basis of the entire
1:13:27transcript.
1:13:34That's not legal.
1:13:35I can respond if you want. It's not a
1:13:37legal basis.
1:13:38Approach. Approach.
1:16:44Oh.
1:19:28Have you read the entire transcript that
1:19:30deals with the
1:19:32sexual encounter involving me
1:19:34uh
1:19:35Pop Rocks and Tootsie Pops?
1:19:38Yes, I started where you highlighted and
1:19:40finished it.
1:19:40Read Read it above it. Does that That
1:19:42have anything to do with the Tootsie
1:19:43Pops or the Rock Pops?
1:20:27Okay.
1:20:27Does the upper portion have anything to
1:20:28do with it or not?
1:20:29Yes.
1:20:30I want you to read the previous page
1:20:31just to make sure that we covered
1:20:32everything
1:20:34involving that particular encounter.
1:20:39Does she have any objection to dealing
1:20:41with the entire transcript?
1:20:46Granted.
1:21:12There's nothing about the Pop Rocks on
1:21:13this page.
1:21:14There is nothing before that, correct?
1:21:16Yes.
1:21:16Yes, Judge, I'm going to address the
1:21:17question of the entire transcript. I
1:21:19don't believe she has at this point.
1:21:21Read the entire transcript.
1:21:31I think that's the entire transcript.
1:21:33Granted.
1:21:34Irrespective of the date that we're
1:21:37talking about, whether it was January
1:21:4020th or January 21st or January 22nd,
1:21:44you do reference
1:21:46the Pop Rocks and Top Tootsie Pops
1:21:49sexual incident
1:21:51by reference to Lonnie's baptism, right?
1:21:54Yes.
1:22:24The journal entry of January 20th of
1:22:262008 also references
1:22:29Lonnie's
1:22:30baptism, doesn't it? Take a look at
1:22:32exhibit 458.
1:22:35This is 458.
1:23:04Yes.
1:23:05And that's a true and accurate copy in
1:23:07front of you
1:23:08the excerpt of what's in your journal
1:23:11involving Lonnie's
1:23:13uh baptism
1:23:14and this sexual encounter, isn't it?
1:23:19Yeah, let me make sure I'm just
1:23:20referring to the same day in my journal.
1:23:21Well, let's take a look at it.
1:23:27Let me have that.
1:23:30The
1:23:31first entry is identical on the first
1:23:33page that indicates Sunday, January
1:23:3520th, 2008, correct?
1:23:36Yes, that's when I wrote the entry.
1:23:38Okay.
1:23:39Then, as we continue on
1:23:43there is the entry
1:23:45involving
1:23:47the baptism, right?
1:23:57Do you see that? Let's start that
1:24:00that entry is there involving Lonnie's
1:24:02baptism?
1:24:03Yes, I just don't know if I'm
1:24:03referencing the 20th on that part of the
1:24:06entry.
1:24:06Ma'am, is there any other intervening
1:24:08date between the January 20th of 2008
1:24:12where we started
1:24:15and the very end where you put J A? Is
1:24:18there any other date in there?
1:24:20In that day there
1:24:21Yes or no?
1:24:22There might be. I haven't
1:24:23Well, why don't you take a look? Let's
1:24:24take a look at the first page. First
1:24:26page starts Sunday, January 20th, 2008,
1:24:28doesn't it?
1:24:30When I wrote it, yes.
1:24:32Does it start out saying Sunday, January
1:24:3420th, 2008, yes or no?
1:24:36Yes.
1:24:37And isn't it true that it starts out in
1:24:38black ink, right?
1:24:40Yes.
1:24:40And then it continues on in blue ink,
1:24:42right?
1:24:43Yes.
1:24:44And it flows, doesn't it?
1:24:47Says it.
1:24:48The words flow from what's at the bottom
1:24:51there to the next page, don't they?
1:24:53Yes.
1:24:54So, then we go to the bottom of it. The
1:24:56next page is also in blue ink, right?
1:24:58In the next page, there is no other date
1:25:01reference, is there?
1:25:03Objection, she says she needs to review
1:25:05it before she can answer the question.
1:25:07at it.
1:25:07Overruled.
1:25:09May I
1:25:09Thank you.
1:25:15No, no, ma'am. Don't turn the page. I
1:25:17just want you to look at that next page
1:25:19to see if you see a date.
1:25:21Objection, your honor. She says she
1:25:22needs to review it.
1:25:24Oh, that's not the question. Overruled.
1:25:28I didn't write a date.
1:25:29No, there is no date on there, is there?
1:25:32No.
1:25:33Okay, let's turn the page.
1:25:36And that page is also in blue ink,
1:25:38right?
1:25:39Yes.
1:25:40And there is no date on that next page,
1:25:43is there?
1:25:44Yes, that's correct.
1:25:46Then let's look at the page following
1:25:48that. That page, where you have your
1:25:50left hand on, that's also in blue ink.
1:25:53No, no, no, you turned the page. Go
1:25:54back. That's also in blue ink, correct?
1:25:56Yes.
1:25:57And there is no date on there, either,
1:26:00is there?
1:26:01That's correct.
1:26:03Let's turn the page.
1:26:07And then on the next page
1:26:11that's also in blue ink, correct?
1:26:13Yes.
1:26:14And there's no date on that, either,
1:26:15right?
1:26:17That is correct.
1:26:18The next page after that contains the
1:26:21initials J.A., right?
1:26:22Yes.
1:26:23That's for Jodi Arias, correct?
1:26:25Yes.
1:26:26And that's also in blue ink, correct?
1:26:29Yes.
1:26:30And there's no date in that one, is
1:26:32there?
1:26:32There is not.
1:26:33And if you turn the page, go ahead.
1:26:37There's an entry for January 24th of
1:26:392008, right?
1:26:41Yes.
1:26:41We can then go back, turn the page once.
1:26:45We're looking at the entry that says
1:26:47J.A. on it, right?
1:26:48Yes.
1:26:49We go to the previous page, the one that
1:26:51you're pointing to.
1:26:53It does start
1:26:58If I may have it back?
1:27:00with a word that's in quotations, right?
1:27:04Yes.
1:27:05Exhibit number
1:27:07458 includes
1:27:11that particular portion
1:27:14of the entry in quotations, right?
1:27:17Yes.
1:27:18And if we go to the previous page,
1:27:23at the bottom of the page,
1:27:31it's also in blue ink, right?
1:27:32Yes.
1:27:34The entry that I'm showing you now
1:27:36includes that last paragraph, right?
1:27:40Second to last.
1:27:41Second to last paragraph.
1:27:43Well, if you take a look at the bottom,
1:27:46you see that there's a word that
1:27:47You're You're correct.
1:27:49Okay.
1:27:50So, in essence, what we're talking about
1:27:52is that
1:27:53the one with the word that's crossed out
1:27:55then travels onto the next page,
1:27:57and that's what's included in this
1:27:59entry, correct? We in exhibit 4
1:28:0258, right?
1:28:03Yes.
1:28:04Along with the first page that includes
1:28:06the date, right?
1:28:07Yes.
1:28:08And the
1:28:10entry or exhibit 458 references Lonnie's
1:28:14baptism, right?
1:28:15Yes.
1:28:19Move for the admission of exhibit 458.
1:28:37Are you going to need some additional
1:28:38time? All right, ladies and gentlemen,
1:28:39we are going to take the noon recess at
1:28:41this time. Please be back in the jury
1:28:43room at 1:25.
1:28:46Remember the admonition. Have a nice
1:28:48lunch. You are excused.
1:28:50All right.
1:29:25The record will show the jury has left
1:29:27the courtroom in recess. You may step
1:29:28down. Mr. Nurmi, do you need some
1:29:30additional time?
1:29:32You may be seated in the back of the
1:29:33courtroom.
1:29:37Do you need some additional time?
1:29:39Yes, Judge. This is several pages and
1:29:41and
1:29:42excerpts have been removed.
1:29:44Pick it up at 1:25.
1:29:48We're at recess.
1:30:12Mhm.

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