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0:21Okay.
0:22So, today is now
0:26I just want to make sure that our
0:27recordings are on. Just give me 1
0:28second.
0:31Good to go?
0:35So, today's the 9th of November
0:382010.
0:40It's now
0:41on my watch 2:44
0:44a.m.
0:46Um
0:48you're in a room right now that's uh
0:51video being video and audio recorded.
0:54This is a digital audio recorder. And
0:56the reason I have that there is um
0:58it's more of a fail-safe that if
1:00something was to happen to the video
1:01system and recording that I have another
1:03it may not be a video, but I have a
1:05digital audio recording of what we're
1:07we're going to speak to speak about.
1:09Um we're again we're at 5 District. I
1:12want to go through a form with you. It
1:13may seem kind of you know why you're
1:16doing this, but
1:17um this is a it's it's like you're
1:20you're swearing to tell the truth about
1:22what you're going to talk to me about.
1:24And it's also going to explain to you
1:26the
1:27um
1:27the penalties for not telling the truth.
1:30I don't expect you uh to help me,
1:33but
1:34for a homicide investigation anyone
1:37who's very close to the investigation we
1:40do this with. Okay? So, this isn't
1:42suspecting that you're not going to tell
1:44the truth. This is more of a feature
1:46that you understand the importance of
1:48telling the complete truth. As much as I
1:51can remember. That's all I ask for, but
1:53so this form
1:55please don't take it personal. Okay? But
1:58it's something we go through with
1:59everyone.
2:01Okay? If you have any questions about
2:02the form so I'm going to read this form
2:04to you.
2:05Then someone's going to come in here
2:07with either a Bible or affirm whatever
2:09your choice is that whatever you tell
2:11will be the truth. Okay? And then from
2:13that point I'm going to go on and we're
2:14going to ask questions. Okay?
2:16So,
2:21first off I want you to uh identify
2:23identify yourself. Speak loudly. There
2:25are there are mics in here. I just now
2:27with the this is a new room for me. I
2:29don't know where they are, but I need to
2:31hear a nice clear voice.
2:34So, if you can identify yourself for me.
2:36My name is Jennifer Pan. Can you spell
2:38your last name, Jennifer? P A N Pan.
2:41Pan.
2:42Okay, do you understand that everything
2:44um that is being said in this room is
2:46being videotaped, audio recorded,
2:48digitally audio recorded? Yes.
2:54I would like um I asked you to introduce
2:56yourself which you already have and that
2:58you consent to this uh tape being made.
3:02Uh my name is Randy Slate. I introduced
3:04myself to you at the hospital. My badge
3:06number is 531 and I'm a member of the
3:08York Regional Police Homicide Unit.
3:10Uh monitoring this statement right right
3:13here in the next room, okay, is Trevor
3:16Byard. His badge number is 1446.
3:19As I indicated when this tape started
3:21that it today is Tuesday the 9th day of
3:23November 2010.
3:26And the time when I started was 2:44
3:29in the morning. We're presently at 5
3:31District in the town of Markham in the
3:33Regional Municipality of York.
3:36Um is there anything um is there
3:38anything I need to know in order to
3:39understand your statement? And that
3:41means is is there do you have do you
3:42suffer from any physical or mental
3:43condition, use of alcohol, drugs, or
3:46anything of any concerns that would
3:47influence your ability to give me a
3:49statement?
3:51No.
3:55Um we are investigating a murder.
3:59Okay? And you're aware that of who it
4:01is. It's um the murder of your mom and
4:05can you can you tell me what your mom's
4:06name is?
4:08My mother's name is Bik Ha Pan. Bik Ha
4:11Pan. As a part of our investigation into
4:14the offense, I would like to interview
4:16on videotape and under oath or solemn
4:18affirmation or solemn
4:20declaration.
4:22It is my obligation to advise you of
4:24certain information before we commence
4:26this statement. You may be a witness in
4:29the court concerning the events you're
4:30about to describe in your statement. If
4:32at any time you change your statement or
4:34claim not to remember the events, the
4:36content of this video statement you now
4:38give may be used as evidence in court.
4:40Do you understand? Yes, I do.
4:46I'm going to get you some Kleenex in a
4:47second, okay?
4:50You you have nothing to apologize to me
4:53for, Jennifer. I
4:56I uh
4:57I I it's going to be tough,
4:59but you know the importance of this
5:00statement. Okay? But don't you have
5:02nothing to apologize to me about. I'm
5:05here to help you. Okay?
5:08Um it is also my obligation to advise
5:10you that fabricating evidence this stuff
5:12is the penalties for lying as I
5:14explained to you earlier. Fabricating
5:16evidence with the intent to mislead is
5:17an offense under Section 137 of the
5:19Criminal Code. If you give a false
5:21statement under oath, you may be charged
5:23with fabricating evidence. If convicted
5:25of fabricating fabricating evidence, you
5:28may be sentenced up to 14 years in jail.
5:31It is also an offense under Section 139
5:33of the Criminal Code to obstruct by
5:35willfully attempting to obstruct,
5:36pervert, or defeat the course of
5:37justice.
5:39You may be charged if you obstruct just
5:41it obstruct justice.
5:43If convicted of obstructing justice, you
5:45could be sentenced up to 10 years in
5:46jail.
5:47It is also an offense under Section 140
5:50of the Criminal Code to commit public
5:51mischief by causing a police officer to
5:53start or continue an investigation by
5:55making a false statement that accuses
5:57some other person of committing an
5:59offense.
6:00And you may be charged if you commit
6:01public mischief. If convicted of public
6:03mischief, you could be sentenced up to 5
6:05years. If you are charged with one or
6:07more of these offenses, this statement
6:09may be used in court against you. Do you
6:11understand the criminal sanctions of
6:13what I have explained to you? Yes.
6:17Do you understand the criminal
6:18consequences of making a false
6:20statement?
6:20Yes.
6:22Do you understand that it is your choice
6:24whether or not to give a statement?
6:27Yes.
6:31Do you understand the importance of
6:32telling the truth? Yes, I do. With
6:34respect to this investigation?
6:38If you have spoken to any police officer
6:40or person in authority in connection
6:42with the investigation, I want it
6:43clearly understood that I do not want it
6:46to influence you in making
6:48making a statement. Do you understand?
6:50Yes.
6:51Do you have any questions?
6:54So, basically um just
6:56start anew right now.
6:59So, what
7:00what I've just explained to you is
7:03you're here voluntarily to help us.
7:07That you don't have to talk to us if you
7:09don't want to, but the importance of
7:10talking to us and if you're talking to
7:12us the importance of telling the truth.
7:14And if you don't tell the truth, there's
7:15criminal consequences for not telling
7:17the truth. That's all that all that
7:19stuff had to deal with. Okay. Okay?
7:22You can't point the finger at someone
7:24else. You can't tell us to go off in a
7:25different direction. You just got to
7:27tell us the truth.
7:28Exactly. Exactly. And do you have any
7:31questions with respect to what I've just
7:33told you? I'm just just
7:35like sitting sometimes like parts come
7:37back that I didn't remember when I spoke
7:39to
7:39No one is
7:40and that's the process. This is going to
7:42be a long process. This is an initial
7:44statement from you. We may you know as
7:46you remember other things you may be
7:48asked you may want to come in and tell
7:49us things.
7:50Okay?
7:51No one is going to tell you how to give
7:53us a give a perfect statement. You just
7:55do what the best you can given that
7:57given what you're dealing with. Okay?
8:00Any other questions?
8:05Are you prepared to give a statement
8:06under oath or solemn application
8:08affirmation or declaration? Yes.
8:13Okay, so I'm going to get I'm going to
8:15get there's a commissioner of oaths
8:16who's going to come in and deal with
8:17this right now with you.
8:19Just it's just a filling out of this
8:20last portion
8:22right here. And I'm going to get you
8:23some Kleenex too while while she's
8:25talking to you. Okay?
9:34Okay.
9:37I'm going to ask you to spell your first
9:39and last name for me.
9:41J
9:42e n n
9:44i f e r
9:47Mhm. Pan p a n
9:51Hello, my name is Andrea Lesperance. I'm
9:53a commissioner of oaths with York
9:54Regional Police.
9:56I'm here so you can give a truthful
9:57statement either by solemn affirmation
9:59or swearing on the Bible. Which do you
10:02prefer? Swearing on the Bible. Okay,
10:03just put your hand on the Bible.
10:09Do you, Jennifer Pan, swear that the
10:11evidence you shall give on this
10:13investigation shall be the truth, the
10:15whole truth, and nothing but the truth,
10:16so help you God? I do.
10:37Okay.
10:38Just sign right there for me, okay?
10:58Just close that door for me.
11:08Okay.
11:12So, we're through the forms. Um
11:14[Music]
11:15that just that's the
11:18administrative process about this.
11:22Now, I want you to
11:23sort of take yourself back to earlier on
11:26today.
11:27About yesterday, meaning uh the 8th of
11:29November.
11:31And um
11:32tell me about your day.
11:33Okay, start at any point in time.
11:36Where wherever you feel comfortable.
11:38And then then we're going to move we're
11:39going to move forward, okay?
11:42Um
11:45yesterday, probably around 9:00 in the
11:48morning.
11:499:30.
11:51Um my mother
11:53she woke me up and she told me that she
11:55was going to going to visit my
11:57grandfather
11:58who was ill.
11:59And that she was going to go over and
12:01pick up my aunt to go.
12:03Um
12:04once we stepped out of the house, there
12:06were
12:07um few police officers blocking
12:10barricading the driveway.
12:12And so she called me down and when I
12:13came down, the officers just said that
12:15there was like a gas leak in the area.
12:18And uh they were just as precaution
12:20evacuating.
12:21And before we could walk over to a safer
12:23place, they said that that um
12:26the evacuation had been moved to
12:28somewhere else. That it was safe to go
12:30back home.
12:32With that, my mom decided for me to stay
12:34home
12:35uh and cuz I have some
12:38piano history stuff that I'm working on.
12:41So, I was
12:42doing that on the computer, played a
12:44little piano.
12:46I don't forget what time my mom comes
12:47came home, probably around like 3:00,
12:503:30.
12:52Um my father came home later than usual.
12:55He said that he had forgot to
12:57lock a toolbox and had to turn back, but
13:00I'm not exactly sure.
13:03He just was home later than usual. Okay.
13:06Um
13:07and once he came home, he um phoned up
13:09my uncle and asked him to go to buy a
13:13USB pen, I think. Just to go shopping
13:15with him cuz my my uncle doesn't drive.
13:19Uh they left, so my mom had prepared
13:21dinner cuz she was heading to go dancing
13:23that night uh line dancing. She does it
13:26every Monday. And so, her and I sat down
13:28for dinner first.
13:30And then um well, after my father came
13:32home, he did that and then a friend of
13:34mine came over. We do TV night every
13:37every so often.
13:39So, um my dad, I guess, went up on the
13:42computer as he always does and I was
13:44downstairs with my friend watching
13:45movies.
13:46And then my mom was out uh dancing. Um
13:49my friend left around 9:00, I believe.
13:52Mhm.
13:57And then my I
13:59upstairs in my room
14:01called it a night
14:02with the TV on um talking on the phone
14:04with a friend of mine.
14:07And then uh
14:09shortly after my mom came home, I
14:11believe that was around 9:30 or so. She
14:14was rummaging downstairs. I didn't
14:16think anything of it.
14:19And then
14:21suddenly, I just heard my mom calling
14:23for my dad to come down.
14:25And that's when I lowered the volume on
14:27my TV.
14:28And I could hear the voices weren't any
14:31voices I was very familiar with.
14:35And so I was scared and I couldn't move.
14:38I just sat in my room for a while.
14:42And then
14:43I thought I heard them all like leave
14:45the top floor and I peered out of my
14:47bedroom door.
14:48And a guy was there and he came at me
14:50and had string in his hands and tied my
14:53arms back and said I have a gun behind
14:55your back.
14:56Do what I say. If you do what I say,
14:58then no one will get hurt. Where is the
15:00money? Show me where your money is.
15:11I am
15:12I have still a few
15:14a bit of money put aside from when I was
15:16waitressing, cash.
15:19So, I showed him where it was and he
15:21took it and put put it in his pocket, I
15:23think.
15:24And then
15:27that's where they they pushed me to my
15:29parents' room
15:31and asked me where the money was there
15:33and I didn't really know.
15:35So, they kind of like one was right
15:38beside me blocking my way to the door
15:40while the other ones turned over the bed
15:43to find some more cash in my mom's
15:45bedside table.
15:52In which then they dragged me down the
15:53stairs.
15:55And then made me kneel at the bottom
15:57telling me to face down on the floor
15:59while the other guy had a gun behind my
16:00head.
16:02And asked my mom where her purse was.
16:07My mom kept trying to get up and they
16:09kept telling her sit down. And so, I
16:12didn't want her to get hurt. I told her,
16:13"Mom, sit down."
16:16They were trying to find her wallet, but
16:17she her English isn't good, so she kept
16:20saying purse.
16:21They kept pushing her down onto the
16:23chair.
16:24Okay.
16:26Take your time.
16:28Take your time.
16:30All this is very important, so take your
16:32time.
16:36They kept all the lights off
16:38on the main floor.
16:41The only time there was light
16:43was when they opened the fridge door
16:46to see if they could find where my mom's
16:47purse was.
16:50I didn't
16:51at that point, I saw three
16:53figures of men.
16:57One with a hoodie. Like the one I could
16:59see the most clearly, he had a hoodie on
17:01and I believe he had
17:04a bandana of some sort covering from
17:08like his lower under his eyes down.
17:15And then for some reason, I think one of
17:17the the gentlemen asked my father if he
17:20had money in his wallet and where his
17:21wallet was. So, they took me cuz I was
17:24next to the stairs or well, they took me
17:26up the stairs to
17:27show them where my father's wallet was,
17:29but I'm
17:30I didn't know. They had turned the room
17:32upside down. I didn't know where his
17:34pants were at that time.
17:39And then
17:40after they had gotten that
17:43they had taken me and they tied me to
17:45the top of the banister.
17:47Just with one string, I could still
17:49move.
17:50But
17:51I was afraid to because the one guy just
17:52had that gun just
18:00Next thing I know I think I hear my
18:02parents going down the stairs and my mom
18:04was asking them for me to come with
18:05them.
18:07They wouldn't let me come with them.
18:11And
18:12after it's the last things I heard them
18:15say was
18:18You lied. You lied to us.
18:21You lied to us.
18:24And then I heard two pops.
18:27My mom screamed.
18:30I yelled out for her.
18:33And a couple more pops.
18:42Take your time.
18:43Take your time.
18:51And I think I heard my mom saying moan
18:54or
18:55something and then they did one more
18:56before they left and then one of the
18:58guys
18:59said, "We have to go now. It's been too
19:01long."
19:04And then they ran out the door.
19:06And I think
19:08once they were out the door
19:10I heard my dad call downstairs and at
19:12that point, I had my phone in my in my
19:16on me, behind me.
19:18And then I had hidden there that they
19:19didn't know about.
19:21So, when I when I when they I thought
19:24they had heard them all leave and my dad
19:26ran up the stairs, I whipped out the
19:28phone and I called 911.
19:31But I I still hadn't heard anything from
19:33my mom and all I could hear was my dad
19:34running on the street just
19:37moaning and
19:38sounds.
19:49And that's pretty much
19:52uh what I have So, what happens?
19:54Continue on from from now
19:57to the point that the police arrive.
20:00I was just on the phone with the
20:02secretary or the operator. I begged her
20:05not to leave me alone and that my dad
20:07was outside. I was yelling to him, but
20:09he wouldn't come in. I don't know if he
20:11didn't hear me, didn't come in. I think
20:13he went to look for help.
20:17And I didn't get to see my dad at all
20:18until before I left the hospital just
20:21now.
20:22How did you get free?
20:25The cop came and he snipped the two
20:29the two strings off for me. I was I was
20:32asking them for so long and
20:36and they said they couldn't untie me
20:38until they knew how to properly untie
20:41the string.
20:42Okay.
20:43So,
20:44we've gone through we've gone through a
20:47very tough portion and now
20:50I'm just going to go back clinically,
20:52you know, try and I want you to put
20:54yourself now as a as a figure looking
20:57down at what you see. Okay?
21:00Um
21:01so, you
21:02go back you're up in your room at 9:30.
21:06Correct?
21:07Like 9:00, 9:30, right? You're you're on
21:09the phone. Who are you on the phone
21:10with?
21:10With a friend of mine, an old coworker.
21:12An old coworker. Are you on the phone
21:15with that person when you hear these
21:17voices that you don't recognize? Yes.
21:20And um
21:23do you remain on the phone with this
21:24person or when does that conversation
21:26end? It ended when I heard my mother
21:28asking my father to come down the
21:30stairs. And normally they
21:33they
21:34they don't get a they don't communicate
21:37very well sometimes.
21:39So, what I did was I told my friend,
21:41I'll call you back and I hung up.
21:43Stuck the phone in the back pocket and
21:46started to go out the door.
21:48And that's when I noticed that there
21:49were
21:50men running around. Okay. So,
21:53let's back up again.
21:55When you hear your mom come Do you hear
21:57your mom
21:58in the house? She was in the house. I
22:01had gone down the stairs. Did you hear
22:04So, before this this is when when did
22:06you hear your mom for the first time in
22:08the house? When she came home.
22:10And what time was that?
22:129:15
22:14[Music]
22:16Is there a time period
22:18So, and where is your father at that
22:19time?
22:20He had He's just finishing on the
22:22computer, I think, and he was heading to
22:25bed.
22:26So, did you physically see your mom?
22:29Yes.
22:30And at that time there was no one
22:32strange in the house? No, I went She was
22:34on the downstairs sofa. She was watching
22:37TV when I last saw her.
22:39Okay.
22:41Where is the
22:42So,
22:43between that time that you see her and
22:46you leave her on the sofa
22:48until you hear the noises the strange
22:50the voices that as you describe them.
22:52How long is that?
22:54Maybe a half hour.
22:56A half an hour?
23:00Um
23:01where is it your mom was before here?
23:04She goes dancing every Monday at
23:08Saint
23:12I'd like to say Saint Paul, but I'm
23:16not 100% sure.
23:18And where is Saint Paul's?
23:21Cuz I don't know if she's moved
23:23locations from the last time she does
23:24lessons. Yeah. Um the last one I
23:27remember she said that there was one on
23:29Birchmount and
23:32Finch.
23:35Yeah, Birchmount and Finch on the
23:37southwest corner.
23:39At Birchmount and Finch? Yeah.
23:42I know the area. Okay.
23:44She used to dance there, but but I'm not
23:47100% sure whether she moved to a
23:49different
23:50with somebody else.
23:52She does dance She does goes dancing
23:54with a few relatives as well. Okay.
23:58Would she Would she have been there with
24:00a few relatives tonight? Is that the
24:01normal thing?
24:03Um the one night I forgot to ask.
24:06Normally um
24:08the normal is that she goes with one or
24:10two friends, one from across the street
24:12and one relative just on the other side
24:15of the 407. What are their names?
24:19Um
24:21I call
24:23I only know their names by what I call
24:25them. Okay. Um I call one Buckmui.
24:29And then the other one is my cousin.
24:33And her name is Vuong.
24:35And the one who lives on your street,
24:37what number?
24:38The neighbor who lives on that she
24:40usually goes with. Uh
24:42across the street about two houses down.
24:45I don't know the exact number,
24:46unfortunately. Okay. We'll find that
24:48out.
24:49Um and so, she's been going there for
24:51how many how long?
24:54She's been dancing for
24:57a long while. A long time? A long maybe
25:00more than a year. Okay.
25:02Um
25:04what does your mom do What What does she
25:06do for a living?
25:07She used to work for Magna. Okay. But
25:10with due to the job cutback
25:15I'm sorry. Um due to the job cutback,
25:17she was unemployed, but could not find
25:19employment. Okay. And
25:22so, she's been at home looking for a job
25:24and
25:24recently I think her pension's done.
25:27How long is How long has she been out of
25:29work with Magna?
25:34I'd say at least a year and a half.
25:37Okay.
25:38And what about your father? What does he
25:40do for a living?
25:41He also works for the car company.
25:44Col-
25:46I think they just changed their names.
25:48Something Colben Colbell and Amstel.
25:52What does he do?
25:53I
25:54He does He wears many hats. He's like
25:56assembly line worker, but I think his
25:58title is tool and die operator. Okay.
26:02So,
26:039:15 you see your mom down on the
26:06downstairs couch and you see your dad
26:09he's at the
26:10And where is the computer located?
26:11Upstairs right beside right beside his
26:13room. It's in a separate room beside his
26:15room. Okay.
26:17And you're going to bed. You're going up
26:19to your room to to watch TV and and tune
26:21turn down for the night.
26:22Yeah.
26:23Um
26:24and then approximately again how long
26:26later that you hear these voices?
26:31My mom had to be home for maybe
26:3420 minutes.
26:36Don't really have that window.
26:39Think around like maybe 9:00
26:4140.
26:439:40?
26:44Okay. Estimates is fine. Yeah, I'm not
26:47expecting to hold you down to times
26:48because we can probably get that from
26:50who you were speaking to, right? Cuz how
26:53long after you end the conversation with
26:56the person does this do you hear the
26:58voices?
27:00They're already in the house. So, you
27:02end the conversation because you hear
27:03the voices. You'll call the person back.
27:06I yeah, because I heard my dad and then
27:08I heard some strange voices is when I
27:10was like, I'll call you back. And who
27:12was it that you were speaking to? A
27:13coworker of mine.
27:14And what's what's that name? Edward.
27:16Edward? Edward, do you know Edward's
27:17last name?
27:18Pacificador. Okay.
27:21So,
27:22what is it that you hear that causes
27:24your father to go downstairs? My mother
27:26calling for him.
27:27And what Is he Is she speaking in
27:29English or is she speaking in another
27:30language?
27:31She was speaking in English, which which
27:32is why it also caught my attention. What
27:34language does she normally speak? Uh at
27:36home we speak a mix of like Vietnamese
27:39is most fluent, but we do throw some
27:42Chinese words here and there. Okay. Or
27:45English words here and there.
27:45But the vast majority of it is
27:47Vietnamese?
27:48Vietnamese.
27:50What is the first When you hear these
27:52this Can you hear them talking
27:54downstairs the unknown voices?
27:57It's all a mumble.
27:58It's a mumble? Because I had the TV on.
28:00It was just all a mumble.
28:02When's the first time that you actually
28:04can hear one of them talking?
28:08When he was upstairs
28:11and I thought he had left upstairs
28:13because I was frozen in my room for a
28:15while. Yeah. Trying to listen in, but I
28:17couldn't hear over my TV and I didn't
28:20want to
28:21startle
28:23startle them by turning it off or
28:25like diminishing the volume. So, I was
28:27kind of pressed up against my door for a
28:29while trying to hear it.
28:32And I thought that all the people
28:34upstairs had gone down, so I opened up
28:36my door quietly and tried to peer out
28:38and he saw me.
28:40And that's when he came.
28:42Can you Did you have lights on in your
28:44room at that time? My lights were off. I
28:45only had the reflection off my TV, which
28:47is
28:49lower to the What do you see of this
28:51guy?
28:52And I'm calling him a guy because you
28:54said you you thought they were all
28:55males.
28:55they were all three males. Okay. So,
28:57tell me about this guy.
28:59Uh he was
29:02medium build. Okay.
29:05I didn't I don't remember any of his
29:07clothing, unfortunately.
29:09The only thing I can remember with him
29:10was he had dreadlocks. He had
29:12dreadlocks. So, are you Can you describe
29:14his race to me? He was black. Did it Was
29:17his head covered? Was his face covered?
29:20Do you remember anything about that?
29:21Just that his dreadlocks were
29:23like
29:24kind of like flopping all over the
29:26place. I couldn't really
29:27see his face and they kept the lights
29:30dark as much as
29:32as much as possible. How long How long
29:35were the dreadlocks? Was it Were they,
29:37you know, like when you say they're
29:38dreadlocks and they were flopping all
29:39over his face?
29:42It's hard I I
29:44don't want to remember 100%.
29:47I think some of them were like around
29:49his face were a little shorter Mhm.
29:51and then in the back there were there
29:53were longer ones. Okay.
29:55Now, his complexion um there was various
29:58degrees of of of
30:00of dark
30:01dark to medium dark to to actually light
30:04uh I'd say he was
30:06he I wouldn't say he was the darkest
30:08person I've seen, but he was on the
30:10darker side.
30:12Any facial hair?
30:22I'd like to say maybe
30:27Say only what you can think. Just Just
30:29say what you what you think. I don't
30:30want you to say what you're
30:31But I don't want to say something wrong.
30:33Exactly. So, you if you don't know, then
30:35it's okay to say. It's okay to say that.
30:37Okay, so
30:40can you give an age approximation for
30:41this guy?
30:46When I when the other officer asked me,
30:48I was
30:50leaning along the ages of 28
30:53to 33.
30:55So,
30:56and someone who's established in life.
30:59I would have assumed so. Like not
31:01established meaning world meaning that
31:02he's been around been around. So,
31:05uh a 20-year-old talks completely
31:07different than a 30-year-old. As you
31:09know.
31:09He seemed to be the one in charge. He
31:11seemed to be running the show? He's the
31:13one that
31:14had me. Like he pretty much did not let
31:17me go.
31:19He was in charge of me.
31:21And all the money I showed him he
31:23pocketed.
31:24Okay. Did he have a gun?
31:26Yes. Did you see the gun?
31:28I only saw the top part of the gun. What
31:30did it look like?
31:31Um
31:33kind of
31:34it was black. Yeah. And
31:37it kind of
31:39not triangular, but it was slightly
31:41wider at the end
31:43than it was
31:45closer. Do you know the difference
31:47between what a pistol and a revolver is?
31:50Yes. Okay. Do you know if it was a
31:53pistol or a revolve revolve?
31:55That particular one that he was holding
31:57I believe should have been a pistol. A
31:59pistol.
32:00Okay.
32:00Cuz the difference is the the round
32:02part, right?
32:03So, you tell me what's a pistol and
32:04what's a revolver. Which one has the
32:05round part? I would think that the
32:07revolver has the the ones that the
32:09bullets go around. Okay.
32:12And it didn't look like that. It looked
32:13like more like a handgun. So, it looked
32:15more like a pistol. Yes. What you're
32:17saying, not a revolver. No.
32:19The other gentleman though We'll go
32:21We'll go to the other gentleman. We'll
32:22go this in stages so that we're not
32:24doing We'll call this guy number one
32:26because you're saying that he seemed to
32:28be running the show as you're running he
32:30was in control. From my perspective,
32:32yes. He was in control of you. Yes.
32:35Is this the gentleman Is this the guy
32:36who tied you up? Yes. Okay. I want you
32:40to
32:40But my he he was the one that tied my
32:42wrists together. He wasn't the one that
32:44tied me to the banister. Okay. So, where
32:46did he get the shoelaces or whatever the
32:49laces were or whatever it was that tied
32:50you up? I'm not sure. It might have been
32:52from my mother's room or the study room
32:55or
32:56cuz my mom has a sewing table next to
32:58her bed bed. So, when you open the door,
33:00where is this guy?
33:03He was just stepping out of my brother's
33:06well, what formula would be my brother's
33:09room.
33:09So, he's already on the upstairs. Yeah.
33:11Do you know where the other guys
33:13involved in this are?
33:15I know one stayed with my parents
33:17downstairs. Okay.
33:19Um the other one
33:21I'm not at that point in time I
33:24was more focused on him like he was
33:27seeing me and he was coming after me.
33:30So, you're saying there's three for
33:31sure. Yes. That's all you saw a total of
33:33three at one time you saw three people
33:35together? Yes, when I went downstairs, I
33:37saw three shadows.
33:39Okay, so
33:41um
33:42this number one guy and we're calling
33:43him number one because he was he was the
33:45one who tied you up and he's the first
33:46one that you actually are confronted by.
33:49Um and he comes out of your brother's
33:51room, what was formerly your brother's
33:53room.
33:54And he comes into your comes into your
33:56room?
33:57Mhm. And what happens in there?
33:58me to sit down. And he's Is he
34:00And he shows me his gun. So, it's not
34:02pointing at you, but you see it and
34:04where is it? It's like
34:06in a holster almost. Okay.
34:10And then he showed it to me.
34:12And he's like, "Don't move."
34:15And then someone else brought him the
34:16shoelace.
34:18Okay, can you describe the other person
34:19who brings the shoelace? I would He was
34:22the second person and the only other
34:24person that I encountered with.
34:26Okay. Um I only saw the third guy, but I
34:28he didn't encounter with me at all.
34:30Okay.
34:31Uh he had a hood he had a hoodie and uh
34:35like a
34:36bandana over his face. Yeah.
34:39He's his complexion
34:41then it was really dark, but I could
34:43tell that he was darker than
34:46the first guy. So, he's a male black as
34:48well. But thinner built. But thinner
34:51built. So, we got a medium build, thin
34:53build. And what about the height? Where
34:54you know, like where are we in height
34:56scales?
34:57How tall are you?
34:585'7". So, where are they in comparison
35:00to you?
35:18I'd say one was pretty much right around
35:20my height level. And which guy is that?
35:23The
35:24the medium build. The first guy. First
35:26guy you encounter who shows you the gun.
35:28Yes. And tie eventually ties your wrists
35:30together.
35:31He's he's about your height. So, he's
35:33somewhere in the area 5' 6' to 5'8".
35:365'7". 5'6" to 7'.
35:377' I'd say. Okay. And the other guy I'd
35:40say around 5'8".
35:43Maybe smidget higher lower than me.
35:46taller than you, but not much.
35:47Not much. Okay.
35:49Now, the first guy who spoke to you,
35:50what kind of did he have any accent?
35:53None that I could make out. Was it clear
35:55English?
35:56English. Unbroken?
35:58Unbroken. No accent?
36:01From the terms he used I didn't get to
36:02pick up an accent, no. He used short
36:04phrases.
36:05He sounded He sounded Canadian.
36:08I would say yes, he was born here. He
36:10was born here.
36:11Okay. So, number two guy you see with
36:14the bandana and he's got a darker
36:15complexion and he's he's thinner. Yes.
36:18And he's about 5'8". With hoodie. With a
36:20hoodie.
36:21Is it black hoodie or what color is it?
36:23It
36:24again it was all really dark, so I'm
36:26assuming he was wearing black. What
36:28about the bandana? Can you see a color
36:30on the bandana? It was very dark as
36:31well. Okay.
36:33Anything distinguishing about his eyes?
36:36I didn't look straight into his eyes,
36:38no. No?
36:39Any other portions of clothing that you
36:40recognized?
36:43No, unfortunately. Okay, how about this
36:45guy's um language? What did How was he
36:48Did he speak to you?
36:49speak at all. Nothing? He just nodded.
36:51He nodded.
36:53Who seemed to be giving the directions?
36:55Number one. He the guy first guy you
36:57encountered seemed to be telling
36:58everyone what to do?
37:01From what you you can tell.
37:02Okay. So, now they're both upstairs with
37:05you. Where are your parents? They're in
37:08the living room. They're in the living
37:09room.
37:10And now what happens?
37:14They take me downstairs. Are they Have
37:16they tied you now? They Yeah, the number
37:18one has tied me and now they're taking
37:20me down the stairs. Describe first how
37:21he's tied you. He told he grabbed my arm
37:24and he pulled it to the back and said,
37:25"Give me your other arm as well."
37:27Okay. And then I was trying to make a
37:30wide X so that
37:33I could later loosen if I needed it to,
37:36but he had pulled really really tight.
37:38And I guess he felt my flinch.
37:41And that's when he quickly tied the
37:43second knot.
37:44I think I don't like we know all I know
37:46is like I flinched and then it got
37:47tighter.
37:48So, you were tied you were bound behind
37:50you.
37:51Behind me, yes. Okay.
37:53Um
37:54and then you're taken downstairs.
37:56Tell me what happens down there. Um they
37:58sit me right at the bottom of the stairs
38:00like um
38:01slightly out not exactly directly at the
38:04bottom of the stairwell, but just
38:06slightly over a little.
38:08And um
38:10the third guy who I didn't encounter,
38:11but he was there. He was like, "Where's
38:13your money?" Well, be straight with us.
38:16And you And then my mom's like, "You
38:17know, yelling and don't hurt us." And
38:19you know, "My money's in my wallet. Just
38:21please leave my paperwork."
38:24This person this third guy who you're
38:25now describing, do you see him ever?
38:29Only as a shadow?
38:31Cuz he was There's a
38:33a wall Okay.
38:34partial wall and he was like right in
38:36that vision
38:38over my father, but
38:40harshly in that vision.
38:42And
38:43describe his voice to you to me.
38:46It had a slight
38:48just a very very slight accent. Do you
38:51recognize the accent?
38:54I can't definitively say which accent it
38:57was. It was more like a Guyanese or
39:01Jamaican accent. Okay. So, it's an
39:03island accent. It's not what you'd call
39:05It's not an Asian accent. No. It's not
39:07like a Western European German or or
39:10anything like this. This is something
39:12you recognize as being
39:14South Asian Caribbean. Caribbean, yeah.
39:16Caribbean.
39:17Okay.
39:19Um
39:21When the guy upstairs number one guy who
39:23who you're we described as our number
39:25one guy with the dreadlocks or with the
39:28yeah, the dreadlocks, right?
39:30When he shows you
39:32the gun
39:32do you see anything on his hands?
39:34Gloves. He's wearing gloves?
39:37Number one was wearing gloves. What
39:38about anyone else? The other guy, the
39:40second guy.
39:42I don't remember. I'm He must have been,
39:45but I can't 100% say. All I saw was that
39:49number one had gloves in his hands. Do
39:51you recognize or can you describe the
39:52type of gloves he had in his hands?
39:55Leather gloves. Leather gloves?
39:57Okay, so they're not They're not like
39:58surgical gloves. They're not surgical
40:01gloves. They weren't like our skating
40:03gloves or like wool gloves.
40:06I'm pretty sure they were leather
40:08gloves. Leather gloves?
40:10Okay.
40:12So, now you're downstairs. You're
40:14sitting on the stairs? They They told me
40:16to sit at the bottom of the stairs. Are
40:18you on the floor or on the On the floor?
40:20Your parents are in the living room?
40:22Yes.
40:23How many people are with you and how
40:24many people are with your parents? One
40:26with me, the guy in the corner with my
40:28parents, and the third guy
40:31kind of
40:32going between
40:33going between the "Where's the purse?
40:34Sit down. Where's the purse? Sit down."
40:37He's the guy who you describe as the
40:39thinner build medium young man, and he
40:40was upstairs with you.
40:43Okay. Um
40:47Where do you go? What happens from this
40:49point? Now, you're down on the stairs,
40:50and there's a guy going between. There's
40:52two Obviously, your parents in the
40:53living room. You're on the floor.
40:55my mother's wallet.
40:57But she can't She's
41:09Take a deep breath.
41:14Best way to do this The best way for you
41:16to to on this on these parts in here
41:19is to pull yourself out and be like
41:21you're a You're an observer in this,
41:24okay? It's not going to help you through
41:26or heal you through, but it's going to
41:28help you try and remember components,
41:30and it neutralizes what your mom said.
41:33You just are now hearing You're echoing
41:35what your mom is saying to these people,
41:36okay?
41:39After a bit, she had realized that
41:41she didn't carry a purse. She had just
41:44gone home from dancing, so her wallet
41:47would be in the bag, and that's where
41:49the money would be.
41:52And while that guy's searching for her
41:54and telling her to sit back down, with
41:55the the one behind the wall was asking
41:58my father if he had money in his wallet.
42:02And my dad said, "Yes."
42:04And they asked how much I
42:06I think I heard my dad say $60.
42:10And they
42:11Then the one that was with me was
42:13signaled, and he said, "Come here. Go
42:15show us where it is."
42:17He had a lower
42:19lower tone. Who's that? Who
42:21Number one. Number one. A lower voice?
42:23Yeah. Okay. And this is
42:25Um and you say the reason 28 to 30-ish
42:2833 is is um
42:31is why. Why do you hear that as being
42:34the age of this person that you're
42:35dealing with? That he's
42:37It's just the way he
42:40like his muscular tone.
42:42I don't know how exactly to say this,
42:44but he wasn't He wasn't like built like
42:47muscular like a young man.
42:49What about the second guy you hear? When
42:51you What do you How would How would How
42:52old do you think he would be in?
42:56I
42:56I didn't hear his voice. I didn't get to
42:58see much of his face. Okay.
43:00So, you don't know. But if I had to
43:02guess, I'd say younger than that number
43:04one, though. Okay.
43:06So,
43:07they take you You're You're down there,
43:09and they're wanting to go to this
43:11wallet. Yes. So, they're now telling me
43:13like dragging me by my my sweater, "Get
43:16up. Get up.
43:17Show us where it is."
43:20Okay. And one kept me at the door while
43:22one was inside looking.
43:25When you looked inside that bedroom,
43:27had it been You said it was tossed. Had
43:29it already been tossed?
43:31So,
43:35they were in So, the room had been
43:37tossed prior to you opening the door to
43:39see
43:39Yes. Okay.
43:41Um Cuz that's when I figured out what
43:43was happening, and I kind of froze.
43:45So, I heard them
43:46moving stuff around.
43:48How long do you think that they were in
43:51that you heard between the time I guess
43:53it's tough in the in the freeze time,
43:54but how long do you do you hear it and
43:57then moving around before you're
43:59confronted by one of them?
44:02Less than 5. Less than 5 minutes?
44:06Okay. I
44:07then it just all
44:09Time Time is Time's all over the place.
44:11I understand that. It's your estimation.
44:13It's about 5 minutes, maybe.
44:15Um
44:17Okay. So, you're now upstairs, and he's
44:20in Who's inside the room looking for
44:22this wallet?
44:24In In
44:25Your dad's your I'm guessing number two
44:27because
44:28by the time I was found, number two
44:31wasn't on the first floor.
44:32He had gone back down.
44:34Oh, no, no, no. I mean, when you're back
44:36up Sorry. When you're now back upstairs,
44:38and they're looking for your dad's
44:38wallet.
44:39Mhm.
44:40Who's with you, and who's turning the
44:41room?
44:42Number one has me. Okay.
44:43And number two is the one looking and
44:45flipping and
44:46"Where is it? Here? Is it over there?"
44:48And number one keeps saying, "Time.
44:51We're running out of time.
44:52Faster. It's taking too long."
44:54Okay.
44:56How long is he in that room for?
45:00Maybe just a few minutes, few moments.
45:02Not that long. Do they find what they're
45:04looking for?
45:05I don't remember. Okay.
45:09What happens next?
45:11He decides to tie me down to the
45:13banister. Okay. That he didn't want to
45:16take me downstairs anymore.
45:17So, you're now tied to the banister?
45:19Yep. He calls for Cuzzie.
45:22So,
45:22He's like, "Get Cuzzie to give me that
45:24string I just gave him."
45:26And who is he talking to? Number two.
45:29So, he says to number two,
45:31"Tell Cuzzie to get me that string."
45:35Do you hear any other names during this
45:36whole time?
45:38Cuzzie. Just Cuzzie.
45:40Cuzzie.
45:42Okay.
45:43So, now what happens?
45:45They tied my arm to the banister.
45:47Did number two go downstairs? Yes. He
45:49followed the directions? Yes.
45:51And he comes back upstairs with the
45:53string? Yes.
45:54And you get tied to the banister? Yes.
45:57Okay. Continue.
45:59And the next thing I can hear are them
46:00telling my parents to move to the
46:02basement.
46:03Okay.
46:04And I'm asking them, "Why? Where are you
46:06going?" And my mom's yelling to me,
46:08"I want my daughter. I want my daughter
46:10come, too.
46:11I want my daughter."
46:16Who goes down to the basement? Do you
46:17Can you see that from where you're
46:19sitting?
46:20is towards the wall. Do you hear anyone
46:22else in the main level?
46:25Where Where your parents were?
46:27Like you can hear if people are trucking
46:29down the stairs. You hear your parents
46:30going down the stairs.
46:32Do you hear
46:33like five sets of foot strengths foot
46:36footsteps going down there, or can't you
46:38hear that?
46:39I was just such a distress.
46:41I don't exactly know how many people
46:43went down. Okay. Did you ever see a gun
46:46on anyone else?
46:48On
46:51Cuz number two and number three, as
46:53we'll call them, Number three is the
46:54unknown guy who you just hear who we who
46:56we hear as Cuzzie, and you hear him with
47:00a slight island Caribbean accent, okay?
47:03Um One of those two
47:05Like they They dressed very similar,
47:08like very thin build.
47:10You saw number three? You can describe
47:13briefly, like through the the reflection
47:16from the lamp post on the street,
47:18through my
47:20through the
47:21the sheer
47:23curtains. Yeah.
47:25just saw briefly. He was quite thin
47:27build. Another thin build guy?
47:29Yeah. Similar to number two? Yes. And
47:32And what about the gun? Did you see
47:33another gun? I saw the tip of his gun
47:35cuz he had pointed it out at my father.
47:38And that one was
47:39was a revolver. Like it had the
47:41the rotating
47:43You saw the cylinder.
47:45Yeah. The rotating cylinder portion of
47:47the gun. Yeah. You saw that. Yeah.
47:50Okay.
47:51And what color was the gun?
47:55I was quite a bit away. Okay. And how
47:58did you see the How did you see this?
48:00Did you see it as a silhouette, or did
48:01you actually physically see the gun?
48:03I was on the floor kneeling when he was
48:05asking my father for his wallet. Yes. He
48:07had pointed it out. And I Like I Like I
48:10was told to keep my head down, but I
48:11kind of
48:12looked up
48:13looked up like peripheral here.
48:15And then I saw that.
48:18So, what portion of the gun are you
48:19seeing? If you're seeing Are you seeing
48:21him holding the with the handle and the
48:23revolver? Cuz the cylinder portion
48:25sticks right
48:26Yeah, like right close by here.
48:28see him wearing gloves, or can you see
48:29him Honestly, the lights were all out on
48:32that side of the house. Okay.
48:35But you In your estimation, it's a
48:37revolver because of what you I I saw
48:39Like I saw like what it looked like, the
48:43Okay. You see nothing else about his
48:45clothing or anything else he's wearing?
48:46Unfortunately, I wish I could have, but
48:48That's all I We just have to make sure
48:50that
48:51uh that we understand. So, you're Now,
48:53you when um
48:55when you're tied to the banister, right?
48:57And your parents are now going down to
48:59the basement.
49:00Do you hear or see anyone else upstairs
49:03while that's happening? No one came back
49:05upstairs for me. No one came back
49:07upstairs for you.
49:09Okay. Can you Can you hear the voices
49:11down Other than your parents, can you
49:13hear their voices down there?
49:15I All I could hear was, "This is taking
49:18too long." Who's saying that?
49:20Whose voice is that? You hear all three
49:22voices.
49:23You can distinguish them. Whose do you
49:25hear saying, "This is taking too long"?
49:28I mean, Because it was said to you
49:29upstairs, right?
49:31Who said that to you upstairs? Who was
49:33saying that upstairs, "This is taking
49:34too long"? Number one.
49:36Is that the same voice that you hear
49:38saying it downstairs? Yes. The on- only
49:42two of them voiced. Number three and
49:44number one voiced up. Voices the voiced
49:47up?
49:47Yeah.
49:48Who do you hear yelling you lie to us or
49:51to that extent?
49:53Number three.
49:54To my I'm assuming it's to my father.
49:57Because he was the one asking for the
49:58wallet.
50:02Now, your mom's your mom with her her
50:05wallet. Would your mom Do you know if
50:07your mom had gone to the bank after
50:09after her dance class or after she had
50:12finished? She just
50:14went to the bank a few days ago. Okay.
50:17Is there What type of car does your mom
50:19drive?
50:21And first off, did your mom drive
50:22tonight?
50:24What type of car does your mom drive? A
50:26Lexus. A Lexus?
50:28The S300.
50:29And she drove tonight?
50:32Okay.
50:34So, now you hear this commotion
50:37downstairs. You said you heard two pops.
50:41And you heard who scream?
50:43My mom.
50:44Your mom.
50:46And what was she screaming?
50:47Do you remember?
50:48get out. It was kind of like a cry cry
50:51yells. It was just
50:54Okay.
50:55It Are Are they still talking? Do you
50:57hear them talking?
51:01I was focused on my mom and
51:02No, I understand. I'm only going to ask
51:04questions that I can try and tweak your
51:06memory for, okay? So, you hear the two
51:09pop noise, you hear your mom screaming
51:11or crying or screaming or yelling.
51:14And then you hear some more.
51:16I hear you. Do you know how many more
51:18you heard?
51:29There was a set.
51:31But I don't
51:36Like I don't want to say this wrong. Say
51:38it what you think and what you what you
51:40believe. So, you're not Whatever you say
51:42isn't going to be wrong.
51:43Something for sure is I don't know if it
51:44was one
51:46and then what I'm going to tell you and
51:48then one Yeah.
51:49or if it was two and then what they said
51:51I'm going to tell you and then another
51:53one.
51:54Basically,
51:55they had made the first round or pop pop
51:59and
52:00they had they had said, "Okay, that's
52:02enough.
52:04Let's go." Who said that? Whose voice is
52:06that?
52:06Number one. Okay. And then I heard one
52:09more after that. And they're like,
52:11"That's enough. Let's go."
52:13Okay. And again, that's number one.
52:16Yes.
52:18Do you hear three's voice at all?
52:20Not at that After he had pretty much
52:24said, "You
52:30After he said
52:32that you lied to us, you lied to us.
52:35You just had to cooperate."
52:39And then they shot him and that's the
52:40last time I heard of three.
52:43Okay.
52:44So, how many shots, not putting it in
52:47sequence, how many shots do you think
52:48you hear in total?
52:52Five. Five?
52:56Then what happens?
52:59And then Talk about them first.
53:03Okay.
53:03scrambling.
53:04Can you see the front door from where
53:06you are?
53:07No?
53:08Okay.
53:09Did you ever hear
53:11how they got into the house?
53:14Doorbell ring? No. Kick door?
53:17Nothing like that?
53:20I don't remember how they got in. I
53:21don't even know how they got in. Okay.
53:24Um
53:27you uh
53:29you hear scrambling noises.
53:32Are you talking about right now? Right
53:33at this point in time. So, we're back to
53:35the time they're leaving, okay?
53:37Or they're you hear the scrambling noise
53:39and I'm only assuming they leave cuz
53:40they're not there when we get there.
53:42Um do you know which way they go out?
53:47You can't hear that.
53:48I'm
53:49I'm pretty sure it was the front door.
53:51Yeah. But I'm not
53:53100%. I didn't get to see anything.
53:56Like my arms were behind my back and I
53:59was against the banister. Yeah. And the
54:01banister is twisted, so I can't see the
54:03front door.
54:06Now you hear your dad.
54:09Yeah. Right? And what's going on? So,
54:11what do you hear next after you hear the
54:13scrambling? They're gone.
54:15Cuz you're hearing no more. I gather
54:17that's how you assume they're gone is
54:18cuz you don't hear it. Then you hear
54:19your dad. I I reached for my phone at
54:21that point.
54:22And you call 911.
54:24Okay. And then you What happens after
54:26you're on
54:28Uh
54:30I just I I heard my dad go out.
54:33And I don't know if they damaged his
54:36throat or what. How did you hear your
54:38dad So, what I This is the kind of
54:39importance because if you he Did he go
54:41out the front door?
54:42How did you How did you know he went out
54:44the front door? Cuz I heard him open the
54:46door.
54:47Did you hear that door open when these
54:49guys were scrambling to leave?
54:52There was just so much studying and
54:54Is your house got an alarm system? Yes.
54:57Do you know the alarm system when the
54:58front door goes off and there's that
54:59chirping
55:00We don't have that chirping. No? No. Is
55:03your house alarmed at night when you
55:05guys go to bed? Before the last person
55:07goes up to bed, they will alarm it. But
55:09prior to that, it doesn't get alarmed.
55:11Okay.
55:13So,
55:14you hear your from your when your father
55:16exits, you hear the door open because
55:18you hear your dad and then you see
55:19I can hear like the outside noises.
55:22Okay. Like the wind coming in and I just
55:26hear my dad
55:27I think he
55:32You think that he sustained some kind of
55:34injury cuz he's not You can't understand
55:35what he's saying.
55:37Okay. What about Do you Do you Can you
55:40hear your mom?
55:42Okay.
55:44Where does your dad go? Do you know
55:45where You never see your dad again until
55:47when we're at the hospital. I think
55:49that's what you said, right? I saw him
55:51when he was on the gurney, but the
55:53officers
55:54walked me around. So, I really didn't
55:58Okay, so now you're upstairs and you're
56:00on the phone with the 911 operator.
56:03Okay.
56:04You remained on the phone until the
56:06police arrived.
56:08And the officer is the one who cuts gets
56:11you free.
56:12He He first had to secure the place.
56:15Yes.
56:15It took me a while to get somebody
56:17upstairs. Okay.
56:20And
56:21kept screaming.
56:23Okay. And um
56:26I guess they went to my bedroom and I
56:27have a pair of scissors that I cut my
56:28hair with. Yes. And they said that they
56:31cut it for me, but
56:33it was still a while longer until after
56:35they cut the
56:36the strings so that I could be free. Do
56:37you understand that they of the
56:39importance to clear the what they were
56:41doing? It wasn't to leave you in any
56:42kind of trauma or anything like that.
56:44I I understand. It's just
56:46Did
56:48from what it's a very tough question
56:50considering all the things that you've
56:51gone through tonight, Jennifer, is
56:54any of the tying up, any of the binding,
56:56any of the things Were you sexually
56:58assaulted in any way?
57:00It wasn't that. This was strictly they
57:03were after money.
57:04From what I saw, they were after money.
57:07They wanted it now.
57:09How much money did you turn over to
57:10them?
57:14From my personal, I had about
57:17two 2,500. 2,500? And where was that?
57:22And where was that? In my nightstand
57:24underneath the TV. Okay. And that was
57:27from work that you had done? Yeah. What
57:29do you do for a living now? What are you
57:30doing right now? I heard you saying
57:31about piano. Are you in school? I'm I've
57:34recently I lost all my students in
57:36piano. I had a few Yes.
57:38for a while.
57:39But uh they've gone on to university.
57:41That's why as of September, I didn't
57:42have any more students. So, you were a
57:44piano instructor. Yes, out of my home.
57:46Okay.
57:47Just for family friends
57:49here and there.
57:51Um also, my family needed me home for a
57:53while.
57:55And I was doing some piano classes with
57:57a very good teacher of mine. Okay.
58:01And I'm going back to school in January.
58:03To
58:04to study biotechnology engineering.
58:07Okay.
58:09Um
58:11your parents,
58:13are they known to keep large quantities
58:14of cash in their house?
58:17Do they have
58:19a large quantity of cash in their in
58:21their bank?
58:23I wouldn't say that it was
58:26large enough to raise flags. It's enough
58:30to pay bills. Okay.
58:33My mom's very
58:35diligent on making sure just just
58:37enough. Just enough. So, she wouldn't
58:39carry around a lot of cash is what
58:41you're saying.
58:42The only we
58:44We did just come back from vacation. So,
58:46we did have
58:48not a large sum, but a
58:50sum that we could we didn't spend over
58:52the over in the States. And when when
58:54did you go away on vacation?
58:59It was the weekend. My cousin got
59:01married on 10 10 10.
59:03Okay. And where did you go? We went over
59:05to Buffalo.
59:08That's where you the wedding was in
59:10Buffalo? Well, just within Buffalo.
59:12Within the area of Buffalo.
59:14And when you say that that you came back
59:16with a quantity of cash, how much money
59:18are we talking about? At least 1,100 in
59:21US funds that my mom was going to go to
59:23the bank and put it in immediately, but
59:26um
59:28family circumstances
59:30that we've been dealing with when we got
59:31back.
59:33So, what are those family circumstances
59:34that you were dealing with when you came
59:35back?
59:37Well, my mom's sister was in town for
59:39the wedding.
59:40And then, my mom the weekend after that
59:43wedding, we took her to Montreal
59:46for like one last visit before she went
59:48home to the UK to her son. Okay. And
59:51then, honestly, I think probably like a
59:52day or two after that,
59:55um
59:56my grandfather fell really ill and he
59:59went to the hospital.
1:00:00And my mom and I were the two main
1:00:03people cuz my uncle doesn't drive. So,
1:00:06we were the ones driving in and out all
1:00:08the time. So, is this your mom's father?
1:00:11Okay.
1:00:12Um
1:00:15So, that $1,100, did it get taken
1:00:17tonight?
1:00:18I believe so. And where would that where
1:00:20would that have been?
1:00:21In my mom's bedside table.
1:00:23And you said you saw them Did they go
1:00:25into that bedside table?
1:00:29Um and it was that the second time that
1:00:31you when they were upstairs and they
1:00:32were looking for your father's wallet?
1:00:33While they're looking for my father's
1:00:35wallet, they flipped the
1:00:37flipped the bed off and they're like,
1:00:38"Oh, you didn't you miss that drawer."
1:00:41Like number one told number two, "You
1:00:43missed the drawer." So, he number one
1:00:45was the one that leaned over and pulled
1:00:46it open.
1:00:48Okay. You guys are inside the bedroom?
1:00:50I was just at the doorway of the
1:00:52bedroom. Okay. So, the and where in
1:00:54relation to this bedroom and where is
1:00:56this this Very tight. Very tight space.
1:00:59Okay. So, he he could stay with you and
1:01:01still reach around and grab this and
1:01:02open this drawer and that's where they
1:01:04found
1:01:04of pulled me with one hand closer Yeah.
1:01:07as he leaned over, but it was close
1:01:08enough that you could
1:01:11maneuver.
1:01:13Okay.
1:01:14And um so, they grabbed that that
1:01:17American money? Yes. You see it go?
1:01:20I saw him fold it and put it in his
1:01:22pocket. Okay.
1:01:24And
1:01:26did that seem to agitate them? Did you
1:01:28see any change in behavior after after
1:01:31that?
1:01:32They're like, "There has to be more."
1:01:37Who's saying that? Number one. Who's
1:01:39saying there has to be more?
1:01:44Do they look anywhere else? Are they
1:01:46looking anywhere else?
1:01:48Not besides my mother's wallet still in
1:01:51my dad's wallet. I don't even know if
1:01:52they got it. But uh those two things
1:01:54that they wanted to see.
1:01:56Whatever happened down in the basement,
1:01:58I think I tried to hear as much as I
1:02:00could, but it was too many people
1:02:03and we have really creaky floors, so
1:02:04it's
1:02:05When you're when they're in that room in
1:02:08inside the bedroom and now
1:02:10um is it lit any better?
1:02:12No, so it's still all in darkness?
1:02:16So, you still can't see if number two
1:02:18has got gloves on or not. No, they they
1:02:21had
1:02:22like something blind me. Like they
1:02:24number one when when we first got in the
1:02:26room, the light was on.
1:02:28And he's like, "Hold on." And he grabbed
1:02:30I don't remember what he grabbed, jacket
1:02:32or sleeve or something and he kind of
1:02:34like shell shielded me with it. And
1:02:37that's when he took my glasses and he
1:02:38like tossed them.
1:02:41So, he took your glasses off?
1:02:44Okay. How did you get your glasses back?
1:02:46I asked the officer.
1:02:48Okay.
1:02:49And how bad are your eyes with your
1:02:50glasses off?
1:02:52Degree wise, I'm about
1:02:55high four, I think 475 and 525. Okay.
1:02:58So, you have with your glasses off, it's
1:03:01difficult for you to see things, right?
1:03:03I can see shapes, but no definition. But
1:03:06prior to all of this,
1:03:09you had your glasses on. Yes.
1:03:11So, when you describe the gun and you
1:03:12describe the dreadlocks, you describe
1:03:14number two,
1:03:16what about when you saw the revolver?
1:03:17What did you have your glasses on at
1:03:18that point in time? So, all of these
1:03:20observations are made with your glasses.
1:03:22It's not until you're tied upstairs,
1:03:24you're you know, they're Right before
1:03:25they tied me to the banister.
1:03:27Like when we went the stairs second
1:03:30time. Okay. And who ties you to the
1:03:31banister?
1:03:33Um
1:03:34I'm not sure if number two held number
1:03:35one, but it was behind me. I'm not sure
1:03:38who did the tying. But number two goes
1:03:40downstairs to get the string to tie tie
1:03:44you up.
1:03:44And brings it up. And brings it up.
1:03:46From this cuz cuz And you're sure it's
1:03:49cuz like cousin cuz I'm assuming It's a
1:03:52No, I'm not saying that that's what it
1:03:54is, but it's on that line of cuz.
1:03:56Yes, go tell cuz.
1:03:58Okay.
1:04:00And again, that's number one who's
1:04:01saying this.
1:04:04Have
1:04:06Is there any reason
1:04:08to suspect or anything that's happened
1:04:10in the recent weeks leading up
1:04:14that would
1:04:15have you guys be
1:04:17a target of some type of incident like
1:04:19this?
1:04:21We live a straightforward kind of almost
1:04:24routine life. Where is your brother
1:04:26right now? He's in Well, he's right now,
1:04:29he's here.
1:04:30But does he live with you guys? He In
1:04:32the summertime, he goes back in
1:04:34September, normally end of August.
1:04:37Goes back to school. Okay.
1:04:39Moves out there.
1:04:40What school is he at?
1:04:42McMaster's.
1:04:43And
1:04:45um what year is he in?
1:04:46Uh
1:04:48third year, I believe.
1:04:49Third year of what type of program?
1:04:50Engineering. Engineering.
1:04:53Um
1:04:54so
1:04:55there's nothing
1:04:58There's no it's it's cuz of it's
1:05:01important, you know, like there are
1:05:02places where there's a legal gambling
1:05:04going on where people think there's
1:05:05large quantities of money.
1:05:07What in your opinion would cause people
1:05:10to target your house to think there was
1:05:12a large quantity of money?
1:05:15I'm not sure.
1:05:17Now, you say your mom drives a Lexus.
1:05:20It could be because of the aesthetics,
1:05:22yes. What about your dad? He drives a
1:05:24Mercedes and he loves that baby. Is that
1:05:26right? So, your mom drives a Lexus, your
1:05:29dad drives a Mercedes.
1:05:31Um
1:05:32the area you live in,
1:05:34you know, what's the square footage of
1:05:35your house? Do you have any idea?
1:05:392,100? 2,100.
1:05:42Um
1:05:44and the only thing that happened tonight
1:05:46that happens every Monday night
1:05:48is your mom goes to dance. Yeah. And you
1:05:51think it's at St. Paul's?
1:05:54And that would have been in the
1:05:55Birchmount and Finch area? Yes.
1:05:57Southwest corner.
1:05:58Yes.
1:06:00She goes there at what time?
1:06:02She leaves the house at 7:00, picks up
1:06:05her friend on like right off of Kennedy.
1:06:08Yes.
1:06:09And I believe she starts at 7:30
1:06:12to about 9:00.
1:06:14And then she she she's usually home
1:06:16around 9:30. Usually home around 9:30.
1:06:18And so, nothing was any different
1:06:20tonight other than the fact that she may
1:06:22have been home a little bit earlier than
1:06:23that. Is that right? I think you said
1:06:249:15.
1:06:25father after work. That was the only
1:06:29difference. Your father being late
1:06:31because of coming home after work. And
1:06:33what time did he arrive home?
1:06:36I'm sorry, we still haven't updated all
1:06:37our clocks on the daylight savings, but
1:06:40I think around 4:30 or so.
1:06:43Normally, he'll be home by
1:06:4410:00 to 4:00. Okay. So, 4:30 is And
1:06:47does he leave? Does he go out for the
1:06:48rest of the night or is he in? Well, he
1:06:50came home and then
1:06:52Oh, he went with his My uncle. Yeah, he
1:06:54went with my uncle. I don't know where
1:06:56they went. Um all I know is that he came
1:06:58back with a heat
1:07:02vent. I don't know. He bought something
1:07:04for the heat.
1:07:05Okay.
1:07:06He said his he doesn't like how the
1:07:07draft comes up. He likes it to be
1:07:09focused
1:07:10Oh, so it's like a heat deflector. Yeah.
1:07:12Okay.
1:07:12For like the For the for the floor
1:07:14heating the heating elements on the
1:07:15floor, okay. The registers, yes.
1:07:18Okay. So, and what time does he get
1:07:20back?
1:07:22I had finished eating.
1:07:25Uh he probably got back around
1:07:286:00, 6:15. 6:00 or 6:15. Does he go out
1:07:31again? No. Is he on the computer for the
1:07:34for After dinner.
1:07:36What is What does he dinner. He ate
1:07:37dinner first. What does he do on the
1:07:38computer?
1:07:39He reads uh Vietnamese news Okay.
1:07:42and Vietnamese uh
1:07:44soaps, I guess.
1:07:46And your mother, do you believe comes
1:07:48home at 9:30 like normal?
1:07:50Around that time, more or less. There's
1:07:51nothing unusual about her time of coming
1:07:53home. And
1:07:56it's
1:07:5710 to 15 minutes later that you hear the
1:07:59noises?
1:08:00You hear the different voices?
1:08:03I'd say.
1:08:04Maybe a little later. It could be if
1:08:06closer to
1:08:11It could have been 45. Is there any way
1:08:14of finding out for sure where your mom
1:08:16where you where this place was that they
1:08:18did dancing tonight?
1:08:20Um I believe my
1:08:22cousin might have gone with her. Okay.
1:08:26Might be very important for us to find
1:08:27out exactly where she was, where this
1:08:29was tonight. Okay. Okay.
1:08:32Um
1:08:35You just sit tight for a minute, okay?
1:08:37And think think about anything else that
1:08:38you can that might help us in this. You
1:08:40we've gone through a lot of the details
1:08:42and um
1:08:44um I just want to talk I just want to
1:08:47talk to the the the officer who's
1:08:49monitoring it and I also want to talk to
1:08:51the lead investigator just to see if
1:08:52there's anything else I need to ask you
1:08:54about. You've explained the scissors
1:08:56which were found upstairs in the area
1:08:58they were used that you had cut your
1:08:59hair, but an officer came and brought
1:09:01them to you to cut you free.
1:09:03Okay. Is that correct?
1:09:05Okay.
1:09:08Did you ever go down into the basement?
1:09:10No. And where did you go once
1:09:12to the basement earlier in the night
1:09:14when I was with my friend watching
1:09:15movies. No, no, no. I mean uh During
1:09:17that? During the time. And who was over
1:09:19watching movies with you? What's her
1:09:20name? Oh, his name Adrian.
1:09:22Adrian and Adrian's last name?
1:09:23Dinkovitz. Dinkovitz at Tenkovitz. And
1:09:25where does Adrian live? He lives on
1:09:28Birchmount, no.
1:09:30Sorry, Brimley. Brimley and Finch.
1:09:33Brimley and Finch.
1:09:34Okay, and how long have you known Adrian
1:09:35for? Uh more than 10, 15 years. So, this
1:09:39is a kind of a regular occurrence for
1:09:40you guys? Yeah. We meet up once a week,
1:09:43if not once a month, depending on how
1:09:44busy our lives are. Yeah. And we sit and
1:09:46we watch our usual shows. Okay.
1:09:49And so, that that was uh that's what
1:09:51happened tonight. Mhm. And what time did
1:09:52Adrian leave at? 9:00. At 9:00? 10 to
1:09:559:00, 9:00. Okay.
1:09:58And Edward is who you were on the phone
1:10:00with? Yes. Okay, until you got off the
1:10:02phone because of the noises. Did you
1:10:04tell Edward what was going on? No, I
1:10:06just I basically just told him, "I got
1:10:08to go. Call you later."
1:10:10Okay.
1:10:11Do you know what show you were watching
1:10:12when this was going on?
1:10:14What you had on the TV?
1:10:15Sorry, multitasking. I was watching
1:10:17Gossip Girl.
1:10:19And then I was watching uh Kate Plus 8.
1:10:21Kate Plus 8. It's just the time what
1:10:22we're doing is to time stamp things,
1:10:24right now on the way to the phone and
1:10:25and whatever else.
1:10:27Now, as part of um
1:10:29the investigation, we have your cell
1:10:30phone right now. Mhm. Um
1:10:33we're going to ask you if you would
1:10:34consent to um to your phone records to
1:10:37help us on the investigation, and that
1:10:39will again that's part of the time
1:10:41stamping of things, you know, of who you
1:10:42were on the phone with, who you were
1:10:43talking to, and when this happened.
1:10:45I just don't
1:10:46like I talked to people on the phone,
1:10:48but I don't really want them to know
1:10:49what's happening with my
1:10:51Unfortunately, the unfortunate thing is
1:10:53what probably Edward
1:10:55and Adrian are people who were probably
1:10:58going to be interviewed because they
1:10:59were in the house and in the and and
1:11:01they were on the phone with you. So,
1:11:03as much and I'm telling you that you and
1:11:05and the media is going to be
1:11:07um
1:11:08around this case.
1:11:10And and um
1:11:12that's that you know, like we have no
1:11:14control over what they say and what they
1:11:16do. My only advice to you is don't read
1:11:18the papers and turn the TVs off.
1:11:21Right? Um they may not they may come and
1:11:24go and very quietly disappear because
1:11:26something else pops onto their radar.
1:11:28But
1:11:30you know, a home invasion type robbery
1:11:32where someone is murdered can become
1:11:35very big news and people
1:11:37wear this stuff, you know, they they
1:11:38hang on it.
1:11:40So,
1:11:41for the next little next
1:11:435 to 7 days, I would say that tell your
1:11:45friends and you your well, your family,
1:11:48it's it's of no value for you to be
1:11:49listening to the news or reading about
1:11:51this stuff.
1:11:52Okay?
1:11:54Because it's just going to upset you
1:11:55even more than what you have than what
1:11:57you feel right now.
1:11:58So, just bear with me for a minute,
1:12:00okay? I'm going to go and it may be a
1:12:01little bit longer than a minute. I'm
1:12:03just going to go and talk to
1:12:05the officer who's monitoring it to see
1:12:06if there's any clarifica- clarification
1:12:08questions and and also the guy who's
1:12:10investigating it, if there's something
1:12:12else when I brief him if there's
1:12:13something else I should be asking you
1:12:15about, okay?
1:12:17And we're close to being we're very
1:12:18close to being done. Okay.
1:28:04No.
1:32:52Okay, sorry. Have a seat. We got just a
1:32:56couple more questions. We're going to
1:32:58give your phone back to you.
1:33:00Okay?
1:33:01And your brother is just being
1:33:03interviewed next door. Oh, yeah, they
1:33:05had an interview, too. Yeah, well, just
1:33:06because you never know, right? Any other
1:33:08fringe stuff that comes up. It's just
1:33:10more of an administration, but
1:33:13obviously, the relevant people to be
1:33:15interviewed, in my opinion,
1:33:18right now, are who your mom was with
1:33:21right after like when she went to this
1:33:24line dancing or this dancing.
1:33:26So, we can clarify where it was.
1:33:29And, you know,
1:33:31I think I'm 90% sure that it's there.
1:33:33Okay. It It doesn't take a rocket
1:33:35scientist to figure out that could she
1:33:38have
1:33:39drawn them here from where she was
1:33:41because of the type of car she's driving
1:33:44and where she's driving to. It's It's
1:33:46very possible. It's something that we
1:33:47obviously have to explore. So, how am I
1:33:49going to find out who she was with
1:33:51tonight?
1:33:53I don't have her number
1:33:56at home. Um Is there a way on your phone
1:34:00Can you use your phone to find that the
1:34:02find out who the people she was with
1:34:03tonight?
1:34:05I could ask one of my uncles and ask
1:34:08them for that girl's number. Okay. One
1:34:11of his nieces.
1:34:13We're going to need I'm going to ask you
1:34:14to do that, okay? If you can do that for
1:34:16us.
1:34:17Um who who are you with? What phone
1:34:19service are you with? Rogers.
1:34:20With Rogers?
1:34:21Okay. We're going to prepare a consent
1:34:24for you for the phone records.
1:34:26And then um I'm going to uh
1:34:30uh
1:34:30give your phone back. I'm going to ask
1:34:32you to call
1:34:34what this uncle Okay. uh so that we can
1:34:36find out where where she went, who she
1:34:39was with, and where she went tonight.
1:34:40Mhm.
1:34:42Because we need to obviously find out
1:34:45confirm where it was
1:34:47and confirm who she was where and if
1:34:49there was any problems.
1:34:51Okay?
1:34:52Um
1:34:54the the cars, how many cars?
1:34:57Yes?
1:35:01Oh, thank you.
1:35:02Thanks.
1:35:06You want to check to make sure that's
1:35:07your phone? Yeah.
1:35:12Are you the Are you the owner of that
1:35:14phone? Are you the on on the plan is it
1:35:16under your name?
1:35:18Okay.
1:35:21I just asked them to put a two initials
1:35:23on cuz I just
1:35:25um
1:35:26like caller ID when I call in, it's not
1:35:29my name.
1:35:29It's not your name, but it's still your
1:35:30phone and you use this, right?
1:35:32it and Okay, what's your cellular phone
1:35:34number?
1:35:35Uh
1:35:38647
1:35:41965211
1:36:15Because these things come in
1:36:17in um
1:36:21in batches, I'm just going to extend the
1:36:23time period.
1:36:41Just because it I I give it a from the
1:36:431st to the 9th because they have they
1:36:45may even give us more time. It's just
1:36:46the way that the the the information
1:36:48comes off of their reading, okay? But
1:36:50I'll explain that to you.
1:36:57I'm sorry, your mom's first name?
1:37:00B I C H, separate word, H.
1:37:02B I C H. H, separate word. H A H A? Pan?
1:37:37So,
1:37:38um
1:37:59My question is how far deep into this
1:38:02will they look for my phone? Just like
1:38:05comment like regular phone calls to
1:38:07people and stuff like that?
1:38:09Really, it's just the time stamping of
1:38:11of the
1:38:12you know, we we're putting 9 days down
1:38:15because it may come back to you that
1:38:17oh, I spoke to him and it may be able
1:38:19for us to be able to identify people
1:38:21that we may need to go back and
1:38:22interview.
1:38:23The The interest of us is obviously
1:38:25tonight between
1:38:289 and 10,
1:38:30right?
1:38:31Um but we're just asking for this to
1:38:33We're not asking for months and months
1:38:34and months. It's 9 days that we're
1:38:36asking for and generally it's because we
1:38:38may come back to you and say, "Okay, we
1:38:41want to interview
1:38:43um this person." And you go,
1:38:46"I don't know where they live."
1:38:48But I spoke to them.
1:38:49Or we got the phone records. Is this the
1:38:51same person? And we'll have their
1:38:52address, at least what is registered to
1:38:54their phone. So, it's the only reason
1:38:56we're asking for a 9-day period. Okay.
1:38:58There's no Investigatively, it's it's
1:39:01it's not of no real significant value
1:39:03other than
1:39:04today, right?
1:39:07It's only because sometimes I phone, you
1:39:08know, teachers and stuff like that. No,
1:39:10we're not going to go back and interview
1:39:11all those people. That's not our
1:39:13intention, right? Um
1:39:15So,
1:39:17I need you to fill out
1:39:19this portion for me.
1:39:21So, owner,
1:39:23subscriber,
1:39:24it's the same person
1:39:26as this. So, it's you and you.
1:39:29Your address,
1:39:31the telephone number,
1:39:33and um
1:39:34and today's date, and then your
1:39:36signature.
1:39:37And what it is is before we go into it,
1:39:39it's all This is all being recorded
1:39:41again. So, it's just that you consent to
1:39:43giving us the records for cell phone
1:39:45number 647-965-2118.
1:39:49Um
1:39:50and you consent to allow the York
1:39:51Regional Police to access the phone
1:39:53records. The said cellular phone company
1:39:55authorize Rogers
1:40:03for the following: billing records,
1:40:05incoming and outgoing numbers dialed,
1:40:07registered owner information including
1:40:09credit and payment history. This is
1:40:10really how we link phones to people, how
1:40:12we confirm that it's your phone.
1:40:14And the tower site location, if
1:40:16requested, for the above-mentioned times
1:40:18and dates. And towers now become uh
1:40:21I just dropped that. Towers become
1:40:23relevant in this case because of where
1:40:24you are when the phone call comes in on
1:40:26the on today's date, right? Is that it
1:40:29firms your story to saying that I was in
1:40:31my room when I made that when the calls
1:40:33came in.
1:40:35And um that will show up on the tower
1:40:38site information. That's the relevance
1:40:40of the tower site information. It also
1:40:41may turn out that maybe during this time
1:40:44period you were targeted.
1:40:47And you were in an area, and this
1:40:50enables us to go back and try and look
1:40:51for cameras and other things through the
1:40:54towers. Not saying it's going to happen
1:40:56in your case, but it's why we ask for
1:40:57tower sites, right? Tower sites always
1:41:00show when you're on the phone, they show
1:41:01you where you're where you are when
1:41:02you're on the phone making calls.
1:41:04Um
1:41:06and that the above-mentioned records are
1:41:07to be released for the York region to
1:41:09the York Regional Police for the
1:41:10purposes of investigation of murder of
1:41:12your mom, and for the time period as
1:41:15stated November 1st to November 9th.
1:41:18This is the part of the consent. I am
1:41:21voluntarily giving consent, and I know
1:41:23that I you don't have to. You don't have
1:41:24to do this. This is your This is you
1:41:26volunteering to do this. You may
1:41:28withdraw your consent at any time.
1:41:31I understand that these records may be
1:41:32used as evidence against against me and
1:41:34may become any part of a criminal
1:41:35proceeding. Now, if you were lying on
1:41:37this, you know, as a part of this whole
1:41:39process that I explained, telling us
1:41:41fictitious information, it comes back.
1:41:43Now, the records can also be used
1:41:45against you. If you're telling the
1:41:46truth,
1:41:48really point three it means nothing,
1:41:50okay? Um but we have to let you know by
1:41:53law that we could use these against you
1:41:54if you're lying to us.
1:41:56And in consideration for Rogers uh
1:41:59dis wireless
1:42:03disclosing the records of the identified
1:42:05person above, I hereby release and
1:42:06discharge Rogers
1:42:12and its employees from any liability
1:42:14whatsoever in regard to this disclosure.
1:42:15So, this is what the phone companies
1:42:17have asked us to say that because we're
1:42:19giving you this thing, you can't use you
1:42:22can't the people who we got it from
1:42:24can't come and sue us.
1:42:25So, it's it's a preamble, legal
1:42:27preamble.
1:42:29Um
1:42:30and by doing this, by
1:42:34Okay, the owner subscriber, you're
1:42:36putting your name, you sign here, you
1:42:37print your name, your address,
1:42:39uh your subscriber number and the date,
1:42:41and I sign with the witnesses to state
1:42:43that I witness this.
1:42:44And then um
1:42:46I'm going to ask you
1:42:48after this to try and contact that
1:42:50cousin to get us the name of the people
1:42:51who were with your mom tonight.
1:43:22Do you need the full address?
1:43:23Yeah, Markham. Yeah, you Markham,
1:43:25Ontario just the state.
1:43:50Today is now the 9th of November.
1:44:00And I'm going to sign to witness it.
1:44:04So, will you will we be in will I be
1:44:07informed of who of my
1:44:09if anybody is contacted on that?
1:44:11Um
1:44:14the chances are if you're going to be
1:44:16So, you you can almost guarantee that
1:44:17Adrian and Edward are going to be we're
1:44:19going to need to speak to them.
1:44:20Right?
1:44:21Because Adrian was in your house.
1:44:23Remember um
1:44:25if they're doing forensic testing in
1:44:27your house to try and get DNA and
1:44:29anything else in there, they're also
1:44:30going to need stuff to eliminate people.
1:44:32Right? So, Adrian was in your house.
1:44:34Yes, he was.
1:44:35Um so, we need to try and if you when
1:44:38when we shut this down, I'm going to
1:44:40because it doesn't need to be disclosed
1:44:42on video about their personal
1:44:43information, I need to get Adrian's
1:44:46contact information. I need to get
1:44:47Edward's contact information. I don't
1:44:50know if we're going to contact them to
1:44:51tonight or this morning, but sometime
1:44:53today they're going to be spoken to.
1:44:55Okay?
1:44:56Um
1:44:58our priority is who is with your mom.
1:45:00That's our priority right now. Okay.
1:45:02Okay? Um but I
1:45:05just tweak me back. How many cars do
1:45:06your do your Does your family own?
1:45:09The Mercedes and Alexis. And where do
1:45:11your parents park these cars? My dad
1:45:13always parks it on the right, and my mom
1:45:15always parks on the left. Inside the
1:45:17garage?
1:45:19And when they Where do they enter the
1:45:20house when they're when they park in the
1:45:22garage? Is there an entrance through the
1:45:23garage?
1:45:24Okay. So, that's the normal course is
1:45:26they park. Unless we we plan on going
1:45:29out somewhere, we leave the car in the
1:45:32driveway instead of having to
1:45:34through the garage. When you left today
1:45:36left tonight after this incident had
1:45:38happened, did you see the cars in the
1:45:40garage?
1:45:41I did not, but I believe that one of the
1:45:44officers went and checked and said that
1:45:46the cars were still in the garage. The
1:45:48garage door was were closed?
1:45:49Yes.
1:45:50Okay.
1:45:51Um
1:45:54is there any video equipment, video
1:45:56cameras, or any video system on in your
1:45:58house? To record? No?
1:46:01No.
1:46:02Okay.
1:46:03Is there anything else that you can
1:46:04think of that might help us right now
1:46:06in this investigation?
1:46:14Not off the top of my head.
1:46:16Okay, so I'm going to
1:46:19Okay. So, you know what you told us has
1:46:21been under oath. Um
1:46:23I'm just making sure Did Did you swear
1:46:25on a Bible? Yes. It was under oath.
1:46:27Um is there anything you want to change?
1:46:30No.
1:46:33Is there anything else I should know to
1:46:35fully understand your statement?
1:46:38Suffer from
1:46:39This is one of those things that people
1:46:41say, "Well, I'm
1:46:42I'm schizophrenic. I just didn't tell
1:46:44you." Or I suffer from mental illness
1:46:46and or delusions or uh I'm actually an
1:46:48alcoholic and I
1:46:50None of these things affect you?
1:46:52that you said.
1:46:53You're competent, and this was
1:46:54completely voluntary, and you've told us
1:46:56everything you need to the best of your
1:46:58ability. Best as I can.
1:47:02Okay.
1:47:04So, what I'm going to get I'm going to
1:47:06It is now 4:30 in the morning. I'm going
1:47:08to shut everything off. And then we're
1:47:10going to have you try and find those
1:47:11that that information for us, okay? So,
1:47:14the recordings now
1:47:15are turned off.
1:47:18I'm going to make sure that um
1:47:20that next door the recording's off. May
1:47:22I use the washroom? Of course you can
1:47:24use the washroom.

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