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0:01of all time today an Inside Edition
0:04world exclusive Jeffrey Dahmer talks
0:06about his obsession to kill and why he
0:09got away with it for so long
0:11[Music]
0:29the world watched in horror as the
0:31savagery of Serial murderer Jeffrey
0:34Dahmer unfolded it was almost addictive
0:37almost
0:40a surge of energy the nation was stunned
0:44by the magnitude of the crime no one had
0:47a clue as to what was happening for for
0:49over a decade how could this shy child
0:52grow into a modern day monster I started
0:55having these obsessive thoughts when I
0:58was about 15 and 16 and they got worse
1:02and worse today another Inside Edition
1:04world exclusive Nancy Glass talks to
1:07serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer if you were
1:10out on the street now
1:12would you still be committing the cause
1:14probably if this hadn't happened there's
1:17no doubt I probably would be
1:19[Music]
1:28hello I'm Bill O'Reilly thanks for
1:29watching this very special Inside
1:31Edition How could a normal looking man
1:33with normal parents and a normal job
1:35commit some of the most brutal crimes
1:38the world has ever seen Jeffrey Dahmer
1:40has never talked publicly about killing
1:4217 people until now Nancy Glass is here
1:46with a very chilling interview Nancy
1:48first set the scene for us what
1:50impression does Dahmer give when you
1:51first meet him well Bill surprisingly he
1:54is very articulate and when he is
1:56talking you can see how he was able to
1:59manipulate his victims and how he was
2:01able to get away with it for so long he
2:04also talks about his horrendous crimes
2:06in great detail but in a very clinical
2:09Manner and you realize that none of it
2:11has touched him cold matter of fact yes
2:14and Nancy will be back in just a few
2:16moments with the first part of her
2:18interview
2:19it was almost addictive a surge of
2:22energy we wouldn't have to worry about
2:26any of their needs or anything I just
2:29had complete control of the situation
2:33he is 32 years old and he is pure evil
2:37but you'd never know it by looking at
2:38him but when you hear him that's another
2:40story his killing field was Milwaukee
2:43and he got away with murder for more
2:45than a decade but how could any of this
2:47happen for the first time ever Nancy
2:49Glass is here inside the world of
2:51Jeffrey Dahmer bill when I sat down
2:53opposite Jeffrey Dahmer for this
2:55interview I wondered what he would tell
2:57me how hard it would be to get him to
2:59discuss his horrific crimes what I found
3:02was that he was very forthcoming he
3:04volunteered details that may be
3:06difficult to hear I began by asking what
3:09he wanted from the men he picked up
3:12they had these obsessive desires and and
3:16Thoughts wanting to control them
3:19to uh
3:23I don't know how to put it uh
3:25possess them permanently and that's why
3:27you killed them right
3:29right not because I was angry with them
3:31not because they hated them but because
3:34I wanted to keep them with me
3:37and as my obsession grew
3:43I was saving body parts such as skulls
3:48and uh skeletons Jeffrey Dahmer is
3:51recalling his monstrous past almost two
3:54years ago in this little apartment in
3:56Milwaukee Police discovered the grisly
3:59remnants of one of the most horrible
4:01crime sprees in American history Jeffrey
4:04Dahmer an unassuming chocolate factory
4:06worker would eventually confess that he
4:09had seduced murdered and dismembered 17
4:12young men he even ate some of his
4:15victims body parts
4:17he instantly became the center of
4:19worldwide media attention a serial
4:22killer unmasked
4:25there were protests and press
4:27conferences in Milwaukee as people tried
4:29to understand how this could have
4:31happened in their midst how did Jeffrey
4:34Dahmer get away with murder after murder
4:36for 13 years how did a boy born into a
4:40hard-working middle-class family turn
4:43into the worst kind of monster
4:45imaginable in this exclusive interview
4:47we put those questions to Jeffrey Dahmer
4:50himself we met with him at the Maximum
4:53Security Prison where he is serving his
4:55sentence of 999 years for the first time
4:59he talks about his crimes and gives us a
5:02chilling look inside the mind of a
5:05serial killer
5:07it's a process it doesn't happen
5:08overnight
5:10when you
5:12de-personalize another person and view
5:15them as just an object
5:18an object for pleasure instead of a
5:20living breathing human being
5:25it it
5:27seems to make it easier
5:32do things you shouldn't do the reason
5:34why Jeffrey Dahmer was able to get away
5:36with his crimes was because of just what
5:39you are seeing here Jeffrey Dahmer is
5:42intelligent and articulate that is what
5:44makes him so frightening but if you
5:46listen carefully to his words throughout
5:49this interview you realize it is a thin
5:52disguise you do sound though like the
5:55kind of person who could have said to
5:56himself
5:57is wrong I must stop
6:01I always knew that that it was wrong but
6:04uh
6:06after the the first
6:10the first uh killing was not planned
6:13I was uh
6:15coming back from the shopping mall back
6:17in 78
6:19I had had uh fantasies about picking up
6:22a hitchhiker
6:24and uh taking him back to the house and
6:28having complete control and dominance
6:30over him The Hitchhiker's name was
6:33Stephen Hicks he was just 18. Jeffrey
6:37Dahmer took him to his parents house
6:39there he strangled him with a barbell he
6:42dismembered the body and hid it in a
6:43drain pipe it was Jeffrey Dahmer who
6:46gave those details to the police in his
6:49confession
6:50no one no one had a clue as to what was
6:53happening for for over a decade during
6:56that time Jeffrey Dahmer joined the army
6:58and was sent to Germany he was
7:00eventually discharged for a drinking
7:02problem and returned to Ohio nine years
7:05after Stephen Hicks murder The Killing
7:08began again what happened to you in the
7:11nine years in between that you were able
7:13to stop
7:14that you were able to control yourself
7:16it just wasn't an opportunity
7:19to uh
7:20fully Express what I wanted to to do
7:24they're just not the physical
7:25opportunity to do it then
7:27and I started
7:30when I moved to Milwaukee in 81
7:33uh
7:35I started
7:36reading pornography going to the
7:38bookstores
7:41um eventually that led to
7:46frequenting the gay bars and then I
7:51one time I brought this young man back
7:54to the hotel room the Ambassador Hotel
7:57I was just planning on drugging him and
8:00spending the night with him
8:02had no intention of hurting him when I
8:04woke up in the morning he had a broken
8:07rib here it was heavily bruised
8:10apparently I had beaten him to death
8:13with my fists and you have no memory no
8:16memory of it but that's what started the
8:18whole spree all over again Dahmer says
8:21he snuck the corpse of his victim
8:23Stephen Toomey out of his hotel room in
8:25a suitcase then he took it to his
8:28grandmother's house where he cut up the
8:30body and put it in plastic garbage bags
8:32when you killed these men
8:35afterwards or you repulsed were you
8:38upset no it at the time uh it was it was
8:43almost addictive it was almost uh
8:48a surge of energy uh I wouldn't have to
8:52uh
8:54worry about
8:56um
8:57any of their needs or anything I just
8:59had complete control of the situation
9:01but Jeffrey Dahmer was out of control
9:03the urge to kill had overpowered him as
9:06police later learned he wasn't satisfied
9:08with his victim's death he wanted more
9:11why did you photograph them
9:14it was my way of remembering uh their
9:18appearance their physical Beauty
9:22uh
9:23I also wanted to keep
9:27some if I couldn't keep them there with
9:30me whole I at least I felt that I could
9:32keep their skeletons
9:35and I even went so far as planning on
9:39setting up an altar with the uh
9:4410 different skulls and skeletons and
9:47what was the purpose of the altar going
9:49to be uh
9:51as a sort of Memorial
9:56a point where I could
9:59I don't know it's it's so bizarre and
10:02strange it's hard to describe a place
10:05where I could collect my thoughts
10:08um
10:09and feed my obsession when the bodies
10:12were still in your apartment
10:15there was no time when you would
10:18see them and say this is grotesque what
10:22have I done
10:23there were times there were times but a
10:26compulsive obsession with uh
10:31doing what I was doing overpowered any
10:33feelings of revulsion
10:35man with a quiet almost shy demeanor
10:37became a master manipulator who was able
10:40to or strangers he met at gay bars to
10:42his apartment he was even able to con
10:45the police into returning a 14 year old
10:47boy to him after neighbors called 9-1-1
10:50upset that the child was in the street
10:53naked and bleeding Dahmer convinced the
10:55police that he and the boy were Simply
10:57Having a lover's quarrel
10:59[Music]
11:01boyfriend of another boyfriend
11:05how old was the child it wasn't a child
11:08after the police left Jeffrey Dahmer
11:10murdered that boy conorak's into some
11:13phone this man says he had a near-fatal
11:17encounter with Jeffrey Dahmer you want
11:19to take some picture of my back he hit
11:21me with a rubber hammer on my neck he
11:24was lucky to escape because by then the
11:27killing had become almost routine before
11:29you went out to pick up a man
11:32was there any kind of ritual you went
11:34through I go to the nightclubs drink
11:38watch the uh the strip tea shows
11:43and if I didn't meet anyone at the bars
11:46I'd go to the bath clubs and meet meet
11:50someone there offer them money
11:53and we'd go back to the apartment
11:57have a few drinks I'd have the uh
12:01the sleeping pill mixture already
12:04prepared
12:06person would drink it to fall asleep
12:09and uh
12:10that's when they would be strangled
12:13watching the movie Exorcist 3 was also
12:16part of his ritual it put him in the
12:18mood for murder I felt so hopelessly
12:23evil and perverted that uh
12:29that I I actually derives a sort of
12:32pleasure from watching that tape did you
12:35like feeling evil no no I didn't but uh
12:40I tried to
12:42overcome the thoughts and it worked for
12:45a while but eventually I gave in while
12:48Jeffrey Dahmer may say things today that
12:51make it seem like he understands what
12:53went on in his mind he does not all he
12:56can do is tell you what happened but he
12:59cannot stop whatever it is that drove
13:01him to kill in the first place do you
13:04still feel those same urges do you still
13:07feel that compulsion that Obsession uh I
13:11wish I could say that it just left
13:14completely but
13:15no there are times when I still do
13:18still do have the old compulsions
13:23and coming next as we continue Dahmer
13:25talks about how his obsessions became
13:27more and more out of control I was dead
13:31set on on going with this compulsion it
13:34was the only thing that gave me any uh
13:39any satisfaction
13:41[Music]
13:45to interview Bill Jeffrey Dahmer says as
13:48time went on his mind became more and
13:50more warped and yet he was clever enough
13:52to continue to elude police and lure
13:55young men to his apartment we should
13:57warn you the details are very graphic I
14:00started having these obsessive thoughts
14:03I was about 15 and 16 and they got worse
14:08and worse what were your fantasies about
14:10uh
14:12they were sexual fantasies of control
14:14Power
14:16of complete dominance they became
14:19reality it was there pleasure in that
14:21fantasy there was excitement uh
14:25fear pleasure all mixed together Jeffrey
14:28Dahmer fulfilled his fantasies by
14:30murdering and dismembering 17 young men
14:33in time his desires became more extreme
14:36his deeds more grotesque listen to him
14:40talk about the most unnatural things in
14:42the most matter-of-fact of ways that's
14:45when you realize that none of it has
14:47touched him I was branching out that's
14:50when the cannibalism started
14:53eating of the heart
14:54and the arm muscle is was a way of
14:59making me feel that they were a part of
15:03me
15:05for at first it was just curiosity and
15:08then it became compulsive then I tried
15:11to uh
15:13keeps the person alive by inducing a
15:17zombie-like state
15:19um
15:22by injecting uh
15:26first dilute acid solution into their
15:29brain
15:30or hot water
15:32and it never did completely work could
15:36someone like you be stopped could you be
15:39helped no I I was
15:42I was dead set on on going with this
15:46compulsion it was the only thing that
15:48gave me any
15:49uh
15:51uh any satisfaction he became so warped
15:54by his evil impulses that he even took a
15:57victim's head with him to work at the
15:59Ambrosia Chocolate Factory I kept the uh
16:04a mummified head and skull of one of the
16:08victims in a carrying case in my locker
16:12at work were you almost flaunting it yes
16:15but that's how strong the compulsion was
16:18that's how the bizarre the desire was I
16:21wanted to keep something of of the
16:24person with me Jeffrey Dahmer exhibited
16:26some Disturbing Behavior early on he
16:29began drinking heavily as a teenager
16:31dropped out of college was arrested for
16:34indecent exposure disorderly conduct and
16:37fondling a 13 year old boy tragically
16:40one of his murder victims would be that
16:42boy's brother you know what started it
16:44was there any kind of incident that you
16:46can remember to this day I don't know
16:48what started it
16:49and uh the person to blame is sitting
16:52right across from you that's the only
16:54person
16:55not parents not Society not pornography
16:58I mean those are just excuses is macabre
17:0213-year crime spray finally ended when
17:05this man Tracy Edwards brought the
17:07police to the infamous apartment like
17:09the others he had gone there with the
17:11promise of money he was listening to my
17:14heart because at a point he told me he
17:15was gonna eat my heart at that point I
17:17hit him I and I ran what was the turning
17:20point for you that made you suddenly
17:22realize that you had done something
17:24terribly wrong something you should be
17:26sorry for it was the night of the arrest
17:29they have no memory of what happened
17:33uh during the six hours before uh the
17:37last victim ran out of the apartment I
17:40heard a knock on the door and the police
17:42were there
17:44with with the last victim
17:48they asked me where the key was to the
17:51handcuffs I
17:53was my mind was in a haze I sort of
17:56pointed to the bedroom and that's where
17:59they found the pictures and they they
18:02yelled cuff them I was handcuffed
18:05and
18:06it was just the realization that there
18:10was no point in trying to hide hide my
18:15actions anymore the best route was to
18:18help help the police identify all the
18:21victims and just make a complete
18:24confession when it was revealed that
18:27most of the victims were black or
18:28homosexual people in Milwaukee were
18:31incensed many felt that was why he went
18:33after them and why the police didn't
18:36seem to care when their families
18:37reported them missing 10 of your 17
18:40victims were black were they racially
18:43motivated it was not racially motivated
18:45but was not a sexual preference it was
18:48just to find
18:50an obsession with the best looking young
18:54man I could find well you just heard him
18:57say that his sexual preference had
18:59nothing to do with the killings no he
19:00has not come to terms with his
19:02homosexuality never understood it there
19:05was no use trying to fight it because I
19:07I couldn't rid myself of it it was
19:09it was too powerful and persistent do
19:12you dislike it yes it's caused a lot of
19:15problems
19:17for me live conflicts and unanswered
19:21questions the conflicts remain with him
19:23and so do his compulsions but in prison
19:26he finally cannot act on his Savage
19:29desires if you were out on the street
19:31now
19:32would you still be committing the crimes
19:34probably if this hadn't happened there's
19:37no doubt I probably would be I can't
19:39think of anything that would have
19:41stopped me
19:42boy does he come across as cold-blooded
19:45did you see any remorse well he says
19:46he's so
19:48he's so sure he knows what that means
19:50tomorrow he talks about how he
19:52disassociated himself from his crimes
19:54and what lengths he went to to hide them
19:56we will see you tomorrow Nancy thanks
19:58for that report
20:00and Inside Edition we'll be right back
20:06tomorrow more of Nancy glass's interview
20:08with Jeffrey Dahmer
20:10what do you want to say to the families
20:12of the victims I had no intention of of
20:15hurting them I was extremely selfish I
20:18was only thinking of myself
20:21[Music]
20:32it's the interview the nation is talking
20:34about serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer
20:37speaking for the first time well that's
20:39it so easy though for you to hide it all
20:41I bought security systems uh installed
20:44them myself in the apartment I had
20:47video camera in the corner of the room
20:49today Nancy Glass continues her
20:52remarkable interview with serial killer
20:54Jeffrey Dahmer
20:55[Music]
21:03he was home alone when an intruder
21:05turned her evening into a night of
21:07Terror
21:09she reached for the phone in a desperate
21:12call for help but it was too late or was
21:15it the phone was off the hook we were
21:18able to record almost the entire
21:20conversation let's go
21:22[Music]
21:28foreign
21:31Edition today what would you do if a
21:34thug broke into your house could you
21:36hold wide it is one thing to read about
21:38his crimes quite another to hear how
21:40dispassionately this killer talks about
21:42his grisly Deeds Nancy Glass joins us
21:45now to continue her exclusive interview
21:46with Dahmer Nancy so Jeffrey Dahmer is
21:49now in jail serving 15 consecutive life
21:52terms for his terrible crimes Wisconsin
21:55does not have the death penalty in
21:57prison he is getting therapy but he says
21:59it hasn't helped him he spends his time
22:01reading the Bible and volumes of mail I
22:04asked him if he was afraid of what might
22:06happen in prison and he said no what
22:09difference does it make if someone comes
22:10after him because he doesn't care if he
22:12lives or dies
22:17gay bars picking up men to seduce and
22:21murder Jeffrey Dahmer says his desire to
22:24control and possess his victims drove
22:26him to inhuman acts on the living and
22:29the dead he was a killing machine out of
22:31control
22:33how should you be punished well there's
22:36no question I that I deserve the death
22:38penalty if
22:40I've wondered myself why
22:42I
22:44I don't have the death penalty
22:47that that's what I deserve I deserve
22:50debt what do you think happens after you
22:52die
22:54right that's the big unknown
22:57I've thought of uh I've had thoughts of
22:59of suicide uh
23:02but I just uh
23:04haven't been able to uh carry them
23:07through
23:10I don't know what the future will hold
23:11in the past Jeffrey Dahmer was very sure
23:14of what he wanted and how to get it 17
23:17young men would die at his hands later
23:20when he made this confession to the
23:22police he included crimes to grotesque
23:25to repeat on television too gruesome to
23:28be believed dismemberment cannibalism
23:30and worse and he was cunning enough to
23:32get away with it for 13 years why was it
23:36so easy though for you to hide it all I
23:38desensitized myself to it I
23:41I uh
23:47I don't know I went to Great Lengths I I
23:49bought security systems uh installed
23:52them myself in the apartment I had
23:55a video camera in the corner of the room
23:57uh installed locks on the doors
24:03sirens and stuff in case anyone broke
24:05into the apartment and although his
24:07victim's body parts were in the
24:09apartment when his father and stepmother
24:11came to visit they detected nothing they
24:15said it was absolutely clean perfect
24:17right had to hide from them everything
24:20was locked up
24:22either in the freezer or in the
24:27file chest
24:29and so there was no evidence laying in
24:31the in the open
24:34there's nothing abnormal about the look
24:36of the apartment and he almost got
24:38caught after a 14 year old victim
24:40escaped into the street naked and
24:43bleeding when neighbors called 9-1-1
24:46Dahmer managed to talk his way out of
24:48trouble during the incident where the
24:50police were called
24:52and the young boy was returned to you
24:55that didn't wake you up at all the
24:57police on your doorstep they were they
25:00were in the apartment they were actually
25:03in the apartment and there was a a dead
25:06young man in the bedroom
25:08on the floor I couldn't believe it when
25:11uh
25:13when it turned out that they they
25:15didn't see anything I just I couldn't
25:17believe it and yes it did shock me but
25:20not enough to quit That's How Strong the
25:22compulsion was Jeffrey Dahmer describes
25:24the Unspeakable with no emotion it is as
25:28if he sees his victims as objects not
25:30people in fact when he confessed he
25:33remembered every horrific detail of what
25:35he did to them but he couldn't remember
25:38their names do you ever think about your
25:40victims
25:44uh I've often wondered why I haven't had
25:48uh more more dreams or nightmares about
25:52what I've done for some reason it's like
25:56it's it's blocked off from part of my
25:58mind
25:58if I dwelled on the subject all the time
26:00I would
26:04I wouldn't be able to function Jeffrey
26:06Dahmer prefers to hide from the
26:08difficult truth about himself that has
26:10always been his pattern even during his
26:13trial he found a way to tune out you
26:16were in glasses now right you didn't
26:19during the trial
26:21why not I
26:23didn't want to I felt uncomfortable
26:26looking anyone in the face I didn't want
26:28to
26:29uh
26:30see anyone's face clearly it helped me
26:33disassociate myself from what was
26:34happening
26:38one woman in particular really got angry
26:43what did you think when she was doing
26:44that I couldn't blame her a bit
26:47I'm surprised there wasn't more of that
26:49what do you want to say to the families
26:51of the victims I had no intention of of
26:54hurting them
26:56I was I
26:59I was extremely selfish I was only
27:01thinking of myself my own pleasure my
27:04own
27:06uh
27:08perverted desires you know the families
27:10are the victims
27:12don't believe in your conversion or your
27:16sorrow Oh right and uh
27:19if if I if I was on the on their end of
27:23the table
27:24I wouldn't either ultimately I am
27:27accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ he
27:31he'll be my final judge can your sins be
27:34forgiven the Lord Jesus Christ shed
27:36blood is powerful enough to you to wipe
27:40out even my sins when he had to deal
27:42with some of the terrible realities of
27:44his life Jeffrey Dahmer's conversation
27:46would Veer off into scripture like many
27:49other criminals he claims he has found
27:51God in prison and his daily routine
27:54reflects his need to shut out the world
27:57I usually wake up at 6 30 in the morning
28:01go eat breakfast
28:03and then
28:05sleep until noon wake up for lunch
28:10and sleep until about four o'clock in
28:13the afternoon eat dinner and then spend
28:16the Greer portion of the night watching
28:18TV he is up all night because he cannot
28:21face the daylight and the Monstrous
28:23crimes that put him behind bars I try
28:27not to think too
28:29too deeply about anything because then I
28:31get depressed
28:33uh
28:34uh I try to figure out why this happened
28:36what what started these thoughts in my
28:38head at such a young age
28:42whether this has any
28:45any meaning to it or whether this is all
28:47just a horrible coincidence you know all
28:49the events in my life I feel that I'm
28:52better off here
28:55than I than than I was on the outside
28:57doing what I was doing you're glad
28:58you're in prison
29:00I think it's best for everyone right
29:03and you heard Jeffrey Dahmer say he
29:05wants to be punished the victim's
29:07families agree they voice their opinions
29:09tomorrow and Jeffrey Dahmer talks about
29:12his early years and his family life and
29:14finally an expert on serial killers will
29:16tell us how this could have happened
29:19still good report Nancy thank you and
29:21we'll see you tomorrow
29:22it's their reaction on Inside Edition
29:24unique insight into the mind of a
29:27monster I'm against capital punishment
29:29but I still think that he's not
29:31suffering enough today the victim's
29:33relatives speak out I would like to ask
29:36him why he's on a suicide watch and from
29:39day one he's never tried to commit
29:41suicide so I mean get you know get a
29:44clue he likes living just like my
29:47brother didn't like him
29:51for the past two nights we have heard
29:52serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer explain why
29:55he did what he did Dahmer makes no
29:57excuses he feels he should be executed
29:59but what about the families of his
30:01victims what are they going through and
30:03what is their reaction to the words of
30:05Dahmer Nancy Glass continues her
30:07exclusive interview Nancy Bill the
30:09building where Jeffrey Dahmer's crimes
30:11were discovered has been torn down the
30:13grisly details of his Killing Spree have
30:15been revealed he will be in prison for
30:17the rest of his life All That Remains is
30:20the question why did this happen at
30:23normal friendships in high school but
30:25after that
30:27I started in with the alcohol drinking a
30:29lot of solitary drinking
30:31and uh
30:33really never had any close friendships
30:35after that After High School
30:38just to sort of lived in my own thought
30:41life fantasy world what created those
30:44Twisted fantasies is a question many are
30:47asking According to some experts Jeffrey
30:50Dahmer does not fit the profile of a
30:52ritual murderer the typical serial
30:54killer
30:55kills for the thrill for the excitement
30:58he wants to hear the victim Scream and
31:00Shout
31:01and try to get away Northeastern
31:04University Professor Jack Levin is a
31:06sociologist and criminologist who has
31:09studied hundreds of serial killers he
31:11says what he saw in our interview
31:13surprised him I think the very fact that
31:16he sedated his victims before he
31:18strangled them which is the last thing
31:20that most serial killers would do gives
31:23us an indication that he may actually
31:25have felt guilty and that he did care to
31:27at least to some extent about his
31:29victims he's a little bit different in a
31:31number of ways and the Very fact that he
31:34necrophiled his victims is is is a clue
31:38that he felt extremely rejected
31:40abandoned and he couldn't even have sex
31:44with his victims while they were alive
31:47in most cases he had to kill him first
31:49were you molested never
31:52ever in your childhood you have any
31:55memories of anything that you would
31:57associate with what you became no that's
32:00the that's the strange thing I can't
32:02pinpoint any anything so there was
32:04nothing in your childhood no no abuse no
32:08physical abuse no verbal abuse it was a
32:10normal childhood in a good home
32:13something went awry in my thought life I
32:18I don't know why he grew up on this
32:20quiet tree-lined street in bath Ohio
32:23friends say the young Jeffrey Dahmer
32:25exhibited some unusual interests were
32:28you obsessed with dead animals is that
32:30true I was interested in taxidermy
32:34in high school and experimented with
32:37preserving the bones of dogs and things
32:40like that
32:41and uh
32:44whether that had anything to do with
32:46with the escalation of the crimes I
32:49don't know but by all accounts his
32:51terrible crimes are far removed from his
32:54ordinary Beginnings his father Lionel is
32:56a chemist who taught his son how to play
32:58tennis his mother Joyce was a housewife
33:01the family split apart when Jeffrey
33:03Dahmer turned 18 a court order kept his
33:06father away from the house his mother
33:08who had been hospitalized for mental
33:10problems left too it was when he was
33:13alone in the house that Jeffrey Dahmer
33:15committed his first murder let me put
33:18this in perspective there are millions
33:19of people who get divorced there are
33:21millions of people who have stepparents
33:23and what does it do to them well it
33:27doesn't make them kill it doesn't make
33:28them cannibalize
33:30um I think we've got to understand that
33:32we might be able to explain part of this
33:34but we're not able to predict who's
33:36going to turn out to be a serial killer
33:39Jeffrey Dahmer's father and stepmother
33:41Sherry say when he was in trouble in the
33:43past they tried to get him help they
33:46were as shocked as everyone else to hear
33:48about his secret life the king is
33:51watching the families have having to sit
33:53there and listen to the Gory details and
33:58yet what do we say to these
33:59families out there who don't even have
34:01the child
34:03to bury in many cases
34:07such a tragic waste
34:10and we can't do anything about it
34:14they say around them Jeffrey Dahmer
34:16acted as if nothing was wrong how did
34:18you live that double life how did you go
34:20to work how did you have a normal
34:23relationship with your family when you
34:25try to keep a terrible secret like I was
34:27it warps every other aspect of your life
34:31but I managed to uh
34:33I managed to go to work
34:36conduct myself just like anyone else
34:38would Jeffrey Dahmer is determined to
34:41try to explain his hideous crime but why
34:44would he take the mask off now Jack
34:47Levin says he thinks he knows you know
34:49it's very hard to feel sympathy for
34:52someone who has
34:54killed 17 people and is cannibalized the
34:57remains I think he wanted a chance
35:01to let people know
35:04that he did care
35:06that he was a remorseful human being now
35:09I'm not sure that came through
35:11but I think that was his intention the
35:14families of his victims disagreed they
35:16gathered to watch What Jeffrey Dahmer
35:18had to say they sat in stunned silence
35:21as they heard him describe the terrible
35:23end to the lives of their sons and
35:25brothers
35:27he's on a suicide watch and so
35:31he's never tried to commit suicide so I
35:33mean get you know get a clue he likes
35:37living just like my brother did like
35:39that's right him saying sorry to me
35:41because I bring back my brothers who
35:42does not bring back 17 men I'm against
35:45capital punishment but I still think
35:47that he's not suffering enough we may
35:49never know what demons drove this
35:51maniacal killer Jeffrey Dahmer himself
35:54talks about the need to overpower and
35:56possess his victims but Jack Levin says
35:59the serial murderer cannot face his own
36:01rage there was this side where he
36:04actually wanted to possess his victims
36:07but the other side was that he hated
36:09them he was very angry with humanity and
36:12this is kind of his way of getting even
36:14it would be easier to understand what
36:16happened if he came across as the
36:18glassy-eyed monster we expect him to be
36:21instead he's able to appear normal which
36:24is what once made him so dangerous most
36:27serial killers know the difference
36:29between right and wrong they know what
36:31they do is wrong and they simply don't
36:33care Jeffrey Dahmer cared perhaps but
36:37not enough to stop himself
36:40and finally I've been covering this
36:42story since it first broke it has been
36:44very difficult at times to deal with the
36:46gruesome details a lot of which we chose
36:49not to put on television but I thought
36:51this was an important story to tell

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