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0:00And we're in that kind of thing.
0:15>> So feel free.
0:21>> I guess
0:25not.
0:26So, I'm just saying because we got two
0:28lines for like pretty much the same
0:29thing. They're both
0:32you like show signage and markers and
0:36and then also flag repairs and
0:39maintenance. Like, wouldn't it fall
0:40under the same thing?
0:42Just questions.
0:44I guess I was being
0:52ready
1:04to republic for it stands one nation
1:08under God indivisible with liberty and
1:11justice for all. D, you want to lead?
1:15>> Dear heavenly father, we thank you for
1:16this time to come forward and serve our
1:19community and and try to work to make it
1:21a better place for all. We thank you for
1:23this fully impanled commission now for
1:26the people that are here serving. We ask
1:28that you help guide us and keep us safe
1:30in the days to come and all you do for
1:33us each and every day. Jesus name I
1:34pray. Amen.
1:35>> Amen.
1:43Chief, uh, just before we start, this is
1:46Doug McM.
2:13or something.
2:13>> I mean, it's from another
2:16government.
2:17>> It's from another government. So, I
2:19think that's
2:22>> all right. Commissioner Meadows
2:26>> Jones
2:26>> present.
2:28>> Commissioner Jones
2:30>> present.
2:31>> Commissioner Brown present.
2:33>> Commissioner Perry
2:34>> present.
2:38All right.
2:40Do we have any
2:43uh anybody signed up to speak?
2:48>> I'd like if I can.
2:51>> I'm Andrew Pearson. I'm got an accepted
2:54offer at the building across the street
2:57and I'm interested in potentially
2:59starting a brewery.
3:02>> A brewery.
3:04Um, but I would like some time to maybe
3:08address uh some of the stipulations
3:11for serving alcohol in town. Um,
3:16I couldn't print anything off. I
3:17couldn't get into that. U, but I talked
3:19to Kevin um about it. He said there's a
3:22stipulation that um 75% of the sales of
3:26the establishment has to be food instead
3:28of alcohol.
3:30>> It depends on what license you're
3:32seeking. So there's a myriad of
3:34different licenses, each with their own
3:36requirements. So you know, you don't
3:39have to serve food to serve alcohol. If,
3:42like, for instance, our gas station,
3:44they don't serve hot food, but they have
3:46beer. So
3:49it's not necessarily a food only
3:52enterprise that you have to have there.
3:54So
3:55>> I'm not sure if it just say Kentucky
3:59State statute.
4:00>> Yes. Right. Right.
4:04>> Okay. Thank you.
4:05>> Yeah. I'm not sure where where where the
4:07city here stands in regards to a
4:09brewery. I mean, it's not a very large
4:11space and we'd like to manufacture beer
4:13and and do that and just have a tap room
4:15for the most part, but that space does
4:17not allow us to to put any kind of a
4:20food service. Mr. Kidwell reached out to
4:23me and told me he I guess he talked to
4:26you, but he said he'd be off at 6:15
4:27ahead of his way. If you want to stick
4:29around, we can circle back to this while
4:31he's here.
4:31>> Okay.
4:32>> An attorney and
4:33>> talk about it. It'd be great to make a
4:35spot for it. I guess I I'd feel better
4:37if he was at least here. He did say he
4:39was coming. He was just didn't get off
4:40work till 6.
4:41>> Okay. Yeah. We are excited to see
4:43interest in another business coming to
4:45town, though. Yeah.
4:45>> I look forward to just Thank you.
4:47>> Thank you.
4:49>> Do we have anybody else?
4:51>> No.
4:54>> All right.
4:54>> Are you with people? you if you want to
4:57speak now, you can if you just wanted
4:59because you wanted to introduce
5:00yourself.
5:01>> Oh, sure.
5:02>> Yeah, come on up.
5:05>> You know, you can just Oh, okay. So, I'm
5:08Michaela. I'm the new branch manager of
5:11People's Bank right down the road at
5:13right there next to Clark's public shop
5:15and they're building the public. So, um,
5:17I spoke with Megan the other day, just
5:19kind of introduce myself and seeing what
5:21ways I can help the the city and improve
5:24businesses, anything like that. Um, kind
5:26of actually grew up right down the road.
5:28So, awesome. This is cool for me. I've
5:30never been to one of these. So,
5:32yeah. Anything I do to help offer any
5:34advice or just like I said,
5:37>> we're we're new to Peoples, right?
5:39>> Yes. So, we actually do have a city of
5:41state grounds. So that's another reason
5:43I kind of wanted to introduce myself as
5:46just kind of going to be a resource in
5:47that way.
5:47>> We do need to make sure that we get Ken
5:50off of if he was on our accounts.
5:52>> Okay.
5:54>> Our commissioner that recently resigned.
5:58>> Yeah, that would be probably something.
6:01>> We do.
6:02>> Yeah. Well, um yeah, we can figure
6:04something out in contract that that
6:07works.
6:08>> Did you ever get to talk to Nick? Didn't
6:10Nick like explain anything about
6:12>> I I talked with him but he didn't have
6:15much. He said he remembered talking with
6:17you all but I didn't get too.
6:20>> So do you know if that's still a thing
6:21like if we were to do events as people
6:24was willing to
6:24>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I' I'd be fully on board
6:27with that.
6:28>> No. Is it the same amount?
6:31>> Uh if that was an agreed upon amount
6:34then I can make that work.
6:36>> I was going to say I'm not 100%
6:38positive. Was it was there a specific
6:40amount agreed upon?
6:41>> We we should probably talk to them. I
6:43don't know. Ken has
6:45>> I don't either
6:46>> arrange.
6:47>> Okay.
6:48>> Yeah. I mean, whatever if it if it's the
6:49same amount or if you'll have something
6:51different in mind,
6:52>> but we do appreciate it. So,
6:54>> very much
6:57awesome. Yeah. So, just get in contact
6:59and go from there, I guess.
7:01>> Awesome. Nice to meet you.
7:02>> Nice to meet you.
7:03>> Nice to meet you.
7:06>> Okay. Has everybody had a chance to look
7:08at the minutes from June 23rd, July 9th,
7:11and July 20th?
7:13>> Yeah.
7:18>> Um,
7:20we we put the 23rd off, I guess, because
7:23>> I missed one and I don't remember.
7:25>> I think I think it was 23rd.
7:28>> Can you can you Michelle
7:31it was the night? Was it the night?
7:33>> Was it
7:35[ __ ] It wasn't the
7:36>> We didn't approve one because we were in
7:38a special meeting or something like
7:40that.
7:40>> It was the ninth that you missed.
7:41>> I missed the ninth. Okay.
7:45>> I don't know which one not to vote on.
7:48>> Well, I was going to say if she missed
7:49the ninth and Ken wasn't here, that was
7:51just us three and we said we didn't have
7:53enough time to review or
7:57>> um I'll make a motion to accept June
7:5923rd 26 minutes.
8:02>> Second. I'll second. All those in favor?
8:07>> What about July 9th?
8:08>> Did you see it?
8:10>> Three or nothing or three or
8:13>> he should
8:17>> Were you voting gay or
8:19>> you voted?
8:22>> Yeah. No.
8:26>> All right. What about July 9th?
8:28>> That was the uh
8:30>> special. No,
8:30>> no, July.
8:31>> July 20th special.
8:32>> Regular meeting.
8:35Well, I'll make a motion to accept June
8:389th, 2016.
8:39>> July
8:39>> or July.
8:41>> I'll second.
8:44>> All those in favor?
8:48>> One refusal.
8:49>> One refusal.
8:50>> I refusing on that one, too.
8:52>> I'm going to recuse from that one as
8:53well.
8:54>> Two refusals.
8:55>> I wasn't on that meeting.
9:04And then the July 20th, I'll make a
9:06motion to accept that. That was our
9:07special meeting to appoint.
9:12>> You got a second.
9:14>> Second.
9:15>> Okay. You have a second.
9:17>> All those in favor.
9:22>> All right.
9:26Police department.
9:39We don't have a whole lot
9:45calls for service. We had since the last
9:48meeting, we've had 27 calls. Um
9:5212 traffic stops. Had a burger.
9:55Um
9:57the last storm Not last night, but the
9:59storm before. I came out and came down
10:03and spotted for that.
10:07Had one fire call out on Galloway Road.
10:11Guys hate calling fires.
10:14Other than that, uh I've been trying to
10:17get in touch with Natalia. I reference
10:19the moving speed sign. I've not heard
10:22back from her.
10:25made two attempts to contact CNR asphalt
10:29parking lot and I want to back him
10:32basically that's pretty much all I have
10:36>> cameras would be well you want to talk
10:39about do we want to try to install those
10:42or do we want to have somebody
10:44like pop or something
10:46>> which cameras
10:47>> I bought 10 cameras uh solar powered
10:51cameras
10:52>> and a Wi-Fi extender
10:54put on the back of the building. So, we
10:56should be able to put cameras
10:59pretty much in eight different locations
11:01outside. There'll be one for in here and
11:03one for in the evidence room downstairs
11:06and they'll all operate by Wi-Fi and we
11:10can do away with safe and sound
11:14>> which will save money.
11:17Um, I mean, do we
11:19>> because I think what here's the thing. I
11:21was talking to John. I I'm more than
11:23welcome to help come down here and help
11:24him, but some of these are going to
11:26require some pretty high up ladder.
11:29>> Yeah.
11:29>> Um, application.
11:32>> I don't know. I don't know how
11:34>> I would do a contractor that has
11:35liability insurance coverage on his own.
11:39>> I mean,
11:40>> because it'd be hard. It'd be hard if
11:41something does happen. You first go to
11:42workers comp say he was on a ladder for
11:44the thing. You know, I always had your
11:45job duties and
11:48>> I understand that sounds perfectly.
11:50>> I appreciate knowing you would kind of
11:52like to do it, but
11:53>> Well, and I think Stephen and Bob's
11:56already probably got that most.
11:58>> He does. He has a million.
12:00>> I'd probably reach out if you would
12:01maybe quote
12:05>> all that after that.
12:09>> It's I mean, it's a solar panel and you
12:12have a solar panel and a camera. We can
12:14look at it
12:15>> several different locations.
12:16>> But maybe we just have to do the high
12:17ones and we do the ones. I don't know.
12:21We can look at and see. First thing we
12:23have to do is get the Wi-Fi.
12:27>> How how high.
12:29It just depends on the best.
12:32>> You can put one on the corner in the um
12:36at the top of the pavilion down there to
12:38kind of be able to see into this parking
12:40lot and the flag pole and potentially up
12:43cuz they're you rotate them 270 degrees.
12:46So they're motion activated.
12:49So
12:51that's what 16.
12:54>> Okay.
12:56I mean you're willing to help too. Well,
12:58I mean,
12:59>> we'll get her knocked out. I just
13:00>> How many did you say we have? 10.
13:02>> 10. Eight cameras for outside and two
13:04for inside.
13:06>> Okay.
13:06>> Well, yeah. I guess we just take a look
13:08and see what uh
13:10>> see what it is.
13:11>> It might be worth just to see how much
13:12Steven charge, too. And it's a decent
13:15amount.
13:23>> He said something earlier about a tree,
13:25too.
13:26>> Yeah.
13:26>> Do you know where it's at?
13:28The big tree in the middle of the book
13:29was where the big one.
13:31>> A third of it now. The
13:34>> rest have to be cut up. I think it's the
13:36end of
13:38Okay. It's the big one.
13:40>> Yeah.
13:42>> He had quoted us 800 previously to take
13:45down the whole thing.
13:46>> Okay.
13:46>> So, for this he
13:48>> 300 was on the ground. 800 tree
13:53>> which I think we did put some tree trim
13:54in there or did we cut it out? I'm not
13:56sure.
13:58>> So, you want us to you do we want him to
14:01go ahead and reach out to pop and see
14:02how much he would charge or
14:04>> it's totally up to you.
14:12I don't think it would hurt to reach out
14:13to pop and just see how much and if it's
14:15going to be astronomical then we can
14:18>> Yeah, that's I can't imagine why it
14:21would be all that expensive.
14:24solar panel and plug it into the back of
14:25a camera that you mount.
14:34>> We might
14:41then that's plan B. How about that?
14:42>> Sounds good to me.
14:43>> All right.
14:44>> Thank you.
14:44>> Fire department.
14:48>> How much on the ground?
14:50>> 300. I'm just making a note for myself.
14:53>> Here's what I saw.
14:56>> Good evening, Mayor and Council
14:59Commission, excuse me. We are um
15:04operating per normal. I do not have the
15:08statistics with me tonight. Um due to
15:11parson being out of town for most of the
15:14last two weeks, but also
15:18uh we are changing over to entirely new
15:21record system
15:23that will be much more consistent
15:27uh across
15:29the county. City of the county have
15:31already gone to the system and it also
15:33has to do with the dispatching and so
15:35on. So, we're learning that process.
15:39The u the records are are there, but
15:43they're not
15:46presentable at this moment. So, I I do
15:49know that the uh the crews have been
15:50busy probably I would say on the order
15:53of six or seven runs in the last week or
15:57perhaps a little longer than that.
16:00And that is
16:03is good and no No problems there. The um
16:09apparatus will continue to
16:14await any news from the US Department of
16:18Agriculture on the grant. I talked to
16:21Greg last when I was in Boston and he
16:26still heard nothing
16:28on. And are you familiar with with that
16:31process?
16:32>> Not yet. Um, we were granted $300,000
16:38toward the purchase of a fire apparatus
16:40by the US Department of Agriculture
16:44through a separate process that they
16:46have from the fire act and other things
16:50that are specific toward the fire
16:51service. Um, it also requires us to come
16:55up with the remainder of what will be
16:58probably about 420,000
17:03something like that, more or less, a
17:06couple thousand one way or the other.
17:09Um,
17:11we've applied to do our uh to secure our
17:16portion of that through the fire
17:18commission. Our commission has a 3%
17:21grant that is payable back over
17:26I think they changed the years on it. Is
17:29it 12 or 15?
17:32>> I think it increased. I think it went
17:34up. Yeah, 15 years.
17:35>> I think it's 15 years.
17:39So that had to be in before August and
17:43we'll get that all in with all the
17:47necessary information.
17:50Um and they should meet at the Kentucky
17:54Firefighters Association meeting in
17:56Ashlin
17:58uh the first week of August to hopefully
18:01approve that. That shouldn't shouldn't
18:03be any problem. 12 within their scope.
18:07What they normally do
18:12that's that's probably the biggest thing
18:14on our plate right now. We got
18:18evaluation coming up coming up
18:22for a couple of years and we're just
18:25notified last week that they'll be
18:27coming to town in September.
18:34They have they tell us when they're
18:36coming because they have to do a broad
18:40spectrum of them. One person has to do
18:42that across several cities in Kentucky.
18:47So we just have to be ready for that and
18:49we that's
18:52no problem there.
18:53>> Do they do just cities or they do the
18:55whole county or is it just like just
18:57>> You got word.
18:59>> No, I'm just I'm just curious. I'm just
19:02curious. the the insurance services
19:04office is uh a broad spectrum insurer.
19:10um they don't do the insuring themselves
19:13but they work with insurance companies
19:16to rate
19:18all the things about government but
19:20among those are particularly the fire
19:24experience, the water supply, the
19:27communication system, the training, all
19:30the thing that goes into having a fire
19:33department in our case
19:36and they give you a rating of
19:39through 10 and there are some subsets of
19:43that. Um
19:46we are presently I believe a class four.
19:50We hope to go to a class three.
19:52Specifically the county as you may
19:54recall in a previous discussion we
19:57talked about that is down to a two and
19:59the city of Georgetown is now class one
20:02which is exceptional. There's not It
20:06used to be very rare to even have that
20:08in
20:09>> Lex in Louisville,
20:11>> but they were the only ones and and now
20:15as cities are getting bigger in in
20:17Kentucky, they're getting more resources
20:19and able to expend more money and and
20:22better meet the needs of the communities
20:24that they serve.
20:26Anyway, the ISO is a pretty important
20:28rating and we will be ready for that
20:31again to
20:33display our
20:35pump tests and training records and all
20:38the things that we have to show them.
20:42the assessment,
20:45their time with us probably only takes
20:48less than a day, just a few hours of one
20:51day, but that be issued in subsequent to
20:56that, probably a month or two after they
20:59make their appearance,
21:01but we don't expect any surprises until
21:04we work with them for many years.
21:07Um,
21:10our kitchen is coming along.
21:13It's been somewhat through donations,
21:16but a little bit of expenditure from our
21:18budget, but very little the uh
21:22most of the components of it have been
21:24donated or significantly reduced in
21:27price from either vendors. We've even
21:30gotten some
21:32the cabinets were sourced from a
21:35previously used kitchen set. So, it's
21:40it's starting to look really good. So,
21:42we're hopeful that's going to be
21:44complete soon.
21:48Much more attractive place with a a nice
21:50kitchen in place. Our apartments don't
21:53necessarily operate on their stomach,
21:55but it's a really good thing to to have
21:59around for a variety of reasons.
22:07We got engine
22:1022
22:12uh back up and running. It was had an
22:16electrical system problem. It is
22:19remember if you do remember 87
22:23model.
22:25It's not one that we'd like to use front
22:29line, but we certainly can. And in its
22:33day, it would it would outpump anything
22:35in the county.
22:38>> Yeah. back truck with
22:42Detroit diesel and
22:46was a great apparatus in its day and
22:50still has great characteristics. A very
22:53collectible as as well. There will be
22:56people who will will like to have that
22:57when they see it.
23:01Um any questions
23:04our service?
23:08We've had several applicants across the
23:10summer uh some of whom have already been
23:13cleared of backgrounds and we'll are or
23:18will join us shortly and
23:22we'll present those as we
23:26process them.
23:27>> Yeah. Then you all had your sign up.
23:30always
23:37sir.
23:38>> I have a question since we're here at
23:39this point. We really didn't talk about
23:41um positioning with the new oncoming
23:44commissioners. And those you know me,
23:47you know it's going be hard for me to
23:48say, but that's going to be a long
23:50process with that truck. It's going to
23:52require site visits going looking at it.
23:54um a lot of talks between chief and with
23:57Doug coming on I'd like to offer to step
24:00out of the fire commissioner if he want
24:01to take it because I know we know he's a
24:03shoe he's going to be here two years and
24:04so it's going to be about a year and a
24:05half process so Doug would be here with
24:08that he'd be a breast of it now working
24:10into the the period of it and there's
24:12there's another reason too with the
24:14whole thing dealing with Zach and the
24:15water company you know I was one there
24:17in the talks with it so I can work with
24:19Zach on that working that and honestly
24:21I'd also like to plant some bulbs I'd
24:23like to do some beautifification things
24:24in the city, but I think for the fire
24:26department's benefit, knowing Doug will
24:28be on here no matter what for two more
24:30years, that's going to be a long process
24:32and they really need a commissioner can
24:33be dedicated and it needs to go. Where's
24:36it being produced, sir? The truck
24:42>> I'm not sure where the factory,
24:47Kentucky.
24:48>> So, chiefs needed somebody to go down
24:51and look at specs, look at the building,
24:52the truck and making two things are
24:54being followed. He really needs a
24:55dedicated commissioner over the next
24:56couple years that can follow that. And
24:58you know, it's hard for me to say how
25:00perfect.
25:01>> Yeah.
25:01>> But I've really been thinking about it
25:03that I want to leave him in a good spot
25:04me leaving the commission knowing
25:05they've got a commissioner that can
25:07follow and make sure it gets done and we
25:10get it in the city and it's entirely
25:12heer. He may prefer public works and and
25:15parks, but I would be more than happy to
25:19go
25:20>> if it's okay.
25:21>> More than happy. Anybody else have an
25:23issue with that?
25:26>> So I'll move over to parks and public
25:28works helping to
25:32wait a minute wait let me that's
25:36closed in the month.
25:37>> So it closes at the end of the month and
25:39I talked to um Ken and he was going to
25:42help me.
25:44>> So I'll work in conjunction and help
25:45Megan get it done on that part. But if
25:48you're okay with that, him moving in the
25:49fire commissioner.
25:51>> I don't I don't see any problem with
25:52that.
25:53>> Chief, you're okay with that? That that
25:54way you got somebody for two years
25:55that's going to know from the beginning
25:57of this process. Yeah. Two or six
25:59months. Yeah.
26:01>> Absolutely. As long as you're willing to
26:03share a lot of what you know. You've
26:05been
26:07help as much as you want me to. Yeah,
26:10definitely. Definitely.
26:10>> And this will give him something to do
26:12on Monday nights as well.
26:13>> There you go.
26:14>> Wonderful.
26:15>> Oh, remember there's there's no law
26:17against the commission commissioner
26:19being a member of the volunteer fire
26:20department
26:21>> except the beard might have to go.
26:25>> You do not you do not have to attend
26:26much
26:28>> that right there.
26:31>> Just be cautious. Their beer says water
26:33on it.
26:35>> Yes. Yeah. It's not really be
26:38>> but yeah. No, I have no problem with
26:40that.
26:42>> Second, does that take a motion since we
26:43have a motion to approve in the
26:44beginning?
26:45>> I think it would look good on the
26:46record.
26:48So Dale, would you like to make that
26:49motion?
26:50>> I'd like to make a motion. Well, first
26:51you put um Doug Jones in as fire
26:55commission.
26:57>> I'll second. All those in favor
27:00>> and then I don't think that's a motion
27:02for myself parks.
27:04>> Uh I'll make a motion to move Dale from
27:07fire commissioner.
27:08>> I'll second
27:09>> to
27:10>> public
27:11>> public works. Yeah.
27:12>> Uh commissioner.
27:14>> You want to second that? I'll
27:15>> second. You want to second that. All
27:16those in favor.
27:19>> All right.
27:29>> Kevin, if you want to circle back to
27:31that.
27:34>> I just got a response from CNR as
27:38Thursday.
27:38>> Thursday.
27:39>> So, we're going to just the heads up.
27:42I'm gonna try to let the businesses know
27:45they're going to shut down all day,
27:46right?
27:50>> Can I one thing about the fire
27:52department real quick? Um, chief. Oh,
27:54sorry. Wait, I'll wait. Is it us?
28:00>> Um, so I just like to ask that um,
28:02Chief, if you get Andrew to put him on
28:04the active 911 just so he can stay a
28:06breast of the activity fire department.
28:08Um it's approp that they put on your
28:11phone and that way you can see that way
28:12if a citizen calls and
28:14>> fuss about something you said we didn't
28:15have it. So
28:17>> and Jennifer can explain you the
28:19>> Yeah.
28:20>> talk inside track on that.
28:24>> Thank you.
28:33So
28:35Kevin, we uh kind of deferred because I
28:38knew you were coming, but um we had uh I
28:42guess Andy, what's your
28:44>> Pearson? Um he's looking at buying the
28:47property.
28:48>> This is Kevin Pidwell. Um he's our ABC
28:52officer, our only one right now.
28:55But they're talking about putting in a
28:56micro brewery and there were some
28:58questions. Um, Zach has stated basically
29:02depending on the license and the statue
29:04of the if you want to recycle you. So
29:07don't get it wrong.
29:08>> Yeah. It just depends on exactly what
29:10you're trying to do there, what the use
29:11is going to be, you know, what types of
29:15beverages you're going to be serving and
29:16what packaging. And then from there,
29:18we'll just look at the regulations and
29:20determine what license you need. And
29:22then you know there are certain type of
29:24licenses that that have quotas but um so
29:29we'll have to look into that but you
29:30know if that's not one you're seeking
29:32then it should be you know pretty cut
29:34and dry like black and white. So
29:37>> I'm not for sure or familiar with what
29:39you're trying to license you're trying
29:40to see.
29:42>> Yeah. And honestly you know we weren't
29:44really diving in terribly deep in the
29:47beginning. I mean that building needs a
29:49lot of remodel and you know obviously
29:51there's you know TTP licensing
29:54qualifications there. I mean
29:58it is looking at it at from a micro
30:00standpoint you know probably in the two
30:03to three barrel type system. Um you're
30:07probably looking at 10 or 12 taps of of
30:10beer. Um but at the same time you got to
30:12have flexibility. So it would be a
30:14functional bar right? I mean there would
30:16be availability for wine and mixed
30:17drinks and whatnot. Um there would for
30:22the most part primarily um just local
30:25tap room make it put it on tab just do
30:27it right there. But from a marketing
30:29standpoint there could be some cutting
30:31going on that could be distributed to
30:33other facilities as well just to get the
30:35name out there. Um there would be some
30:38packaging but but just localized. I
30:40have, you know, not going to put a
30:42canning line in and try to sell at
30:44Kroger or anything like that. It would
30:45just maybe be crawlers that are in
30:47house, you know, to go. I mean, that's
30:50essentially what we're looking at. I
30:52just don't want to be able have to make
30:53a commitment to to serve food. So, if if
30:57food is mandated, I know I know that
30:59that's what they have in Georgetown. Um,
31:02>> we have a 50% food sales requirement,
31:04too, in our section,
31:05>> right? and and that just not functional
31:07for for us, you know, being this small
31:10um and not having the space to do that.
31:12So, I would need to to have that changed
31:15or waved or something along those lines
31:18to just allow the commitment of making
31:20beer and serving beer without the
31:22commitment of food. And if we can't do
31:24that, then then we'll probably back out
31:27on purchasing the property.
31:28>> Okay. Um just just real up front we're
31:30here. Um
31:33probably the best thing would be to talk
31:34to our ABC administrator. A lot of
31:36people don't realize when they come down
31:37here we're independent of the county.
31:39Like when we sell business licenses,
31:41people buy business license from county
31:42and think it includes strength.
31:44The state law allowed us to actually
31:46have our own alcohol beverage control
31:48administrator and that's the gentleman
31:49behind you. Um, probably the best thing
31:52if the commission does or doesn't ask
31:54you all, but would be to talk to Kevin
31:56first to know what you're looking at
31:58doing and he can come to us because if
32:00we were to change an ABC law or modify
32:03it or amend it, we're doing that
32:05historically by recommendation of our
32:07ABC administrator because he's the one
32:09charged with knowing how statutes are,
32:10how they fall in place. So, that's
32:12probably the best step to start with
32:13him.
32:13>> And we have spoken,
32:15>> right? and he suggests to come to you if
32:16he enforces laws that you guys put in
32:19place or restrictions. So, an adjustment
32:22would have to be made here and then he
32:23would enforce
32:24>> and and again well again he had to make
32:26a recommendation of what how what we're
32:28going to amend because right now looking
32:30at section four talks about 50% of all
32:34group sales and actually it doesn't even
32:36include a brewery in here. It includes a
32:38distiller and so that might need to be
32:40modified to where we add brewer on that
32:42too. So that would definitely be a
32:43recommendation for our ABC administrator
32:45because he deals with those statutes and
32:47all.
32:48>> I think that's why they wanted to to
32:51kind of talk when
32:52>> Kevin, right?
32:54>> Yeah.
32:55>> Yeah.
32:55>> Oh, okay.
32:56>> Yeah.
32:56>> And if you want to come up here and
32:58restate your stuff so Kevin can kind of
33:00hear a clear picture of what's going on.
33:08>> And obviously I guess we'll
33:12attorney,
33:14ABC officer, he's going to be the one
33:17that points us in the direction
33:20with you.
33:21>> Yeah. I mean, ultimately, it's up to you
33:23guys to figure out what exactly your
33:25lane is going to be, what license you
33:27want to apply for. You come talk to us
33:30and say, "We want an NQ4." And we look
33:34at the requirements and it says, "This
33:36is what you need."
33:38>> Then you're good to go. Um, I'm still
33:41hung up on the 50% food thing. I don't
33:43know what section that's in or what
33:46that's referring to because we have
33:47people who have licenses to sell
33:51beer who do not sell
33:53>> food too, right? The gas station.
33:56This one's in house. They're not
33:58drinking there. Right. Right. So, that's
34:01where that stipulation comes in. The tap
34:03room where you're actually sleeping be
34:05drinking.
34:06>> That's where that requirement comes.
34:07>> Okay. This one falls under
34:10section
34:1311402
34:14and you go down to section four which is
34:16nonquota type two retail drink licenses
34:19in order to it talks about hotels or
34:21sellers but in order to
34:24uh issue this license
34:27must have the food and drink sales are
34:29from the sale of food which should be
34:3150% and it talks about a restaurant must
34:34maintain 50% of its gross food and drink
34:36sales from and sale of foods and it
34:39talks about airports, distillers, river
34:42boats and businesses located within
34:44adjacent to or entertainment
34:46destinations. It's quota type two retail
34:49drink
34:50that's where it mentions the food.
34:52>> So something that we need to amend the
34:53ordinances that
34:54>> sounds like it. Yeah,
34:56>> I would I would gather
34:59what I was trying to do my personal
35:01opinion license for give with Kevin.
35:04Kevin could say if you want to do this
35:06your recommendation is it's all of our
35:07vote. It's not just one of us. It's all
35:10of us and we can move forward either
35:12mending it or not mending it or even
35:16being able to do it. Now that government
35:17moves slow we meet every two weeks. So
35:22the quickest we could do this is two
35:23weeks from now. And that's what I'm
35:25hoping that's that was the point that
35:26was coming in to just try and have this
35:29kind of sorted out at the next meeting
35:30and and make sure that we're either work
35:33together on this or not.
35:34>> Yeah.
35:34>> That gives me time to decide whether I'm
35:36closing on that problem.
35:38>> So you're doing
35:40>> just small group.
35:41>> Yep.
35:41>> Craft.
35:43>> You just want to have a small social
35:45setting for
35:46>> Yep. Yeah. gathering place. That's
35:49essentially what it is. You know, you
35:50could label it a pub or whatever you
35:52like. I mean, it's just going to be a
35:53beer company. You know, redo that back a
35:56little bit. So, we got a little patio
35:57space and just, you know, nice little
35:59gathering as well.
36:00>> Are you planning on only having yours
36:01there or other?
36:03>> Um, you know, that's that's a debate. It
36:05depends, you know, what what the price
36:07is and, you know, where that goes. I
36:10mean, I don't do a lot of, you know,
36:12traditional American loggers. There
36:14could be bottles of whatever in a beer
36:16cooler in there, you know, whether it's
36:18a high life or quarters or something
36:19along those lines, you know. What's the
36:22name?
36:23>> The name of
36:24>> of your brewer.
36:24>> I haven't decided yet.
36:26>> Okay. So, brand new.
36:27>> I'm leaning towards Stamping Ground Beer
36:29Company.
36:29>> So, you don't have a pre-existing
36:31somewhere that you're working on.
36:33>> No, this is all new.
36:35>> And definitely it's something you need
36:36flesh out with ABC because I think a
36:38while ago, I may be wrong. I think you
36:39mentioned selling kegs. We do have keg
36:41registration laws here too in state
36:43ground. So, you need to find out through
36:45him what you need to do for those
36:46loopholes and jump through those suits,
36:48too.
36:50Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'll go through
36:52this. We'll be in contact and and
36:54hopefully we can dive deeper and get
36:56this sorted out next week.
36:58>> I think it sounds great, but as long as
37:00we can get in a man where we need to and
37:02figure out how to get it.
37:05>> How many different uh alcohol licenses?
37:09>> Off the top of my head, I don't know,
37:11but probably 10 or more
37:13>> for what?
37:14>> Oh, for here.
37:16>> I think we're six. Five. Yeah. We have
37:1921.
37:20>> Oh, you mean how many
37:22>> how many sell or how many?
37:26>> Is that what you got there?
37:27>> Yeah. Like 21 different types of lights.
37:30That's why it's hard to figure out what
37:31it fits.
37:32>> Okay.
37:34>> And there's actually some that were in
37:35the state law I think we didn't adopt.
37:37Maybe.
37:38>> Yeah. But they're stamping grounds. And
37:40how many do we have?
37:41>> 20 some What Dale said? They're they're
37:44the pilot there. I think if I understood
37:48from our conversation earlier, what he's
37:50looking for is to set up a micro brewery
37:53and then he wants to sell by the drink,
37:57which is separate than selling by the
37:59package.
38:00>> Yeah.
38:01>> As
38:02every place here except for a restaurant
38:05does.
38:06>> Okay. But if you wanted to sell like
38:07what do they call the big bottles?
38:10>> Growers.
38:10>> Growers.
38:11>> Would that be something different to
38:12you?
38:13>> That would be package.
38:14>> That would be package. So he would need
38:16both.
38:17>> Well, he'd need he'd need the bottling
38:18license, which we have, which is license
38:2013, and license 14, which is micro
38:22brewery license. He need license 15,
38:24which malt beverage distri distributors
38:27license, and then the Q4 if you're going
38:28to distribute drinks on them. It's a lot
38:30of licenses.
38:31>> Well, some of them, some of them you
38:32just buy one to get the rest of them.
38:34>> No, they're all individual.
38:36>> Any of those individual ones have to
38:38deal with food specifically?
38:40>> I don't think so. I think in your old
38:43one I know of by the journal.
38:46>> That's the non
38:48>> and that's the one
38:51>> that's kind of hanging him up. If y'all
38:53want to know how it works, the way that
38:55ordinance read is there's a certain
38:57percent of their gross income has to
39:00come from for food that's prepared on
39:03site.
39:04>> Yeah.
39:04>> That way
39:06like at the restaurant. So you're
39:08sitting there eating, drinking a beer,
39:11burger, whatever. That's okay because
39:13the bulk of their income comes from the
39:16sale of food
39:18>> versus a bar per second,
39:20>> right?
39:21>> And you know, it's not really, we're not
39:23really talking about a difficult thing.
39:24Kevin could go to Georgetown that has
39:27the micro breweries in there. We could
39:29do like we did last time. We could just
39:30not reinvent the wheel. just bring in
39:32their ordinance, apply it to stamping
39:34ground, let make sure our attorney
39:36approves it and get it passed.
39:38>> I think they have similar laws there too
39:40where there has to be food.
39:41>> Oh, they do. They do.
39:43>> Yeah.
39:44>> And a lot of ours we have now like the
39:45last bunch we just did, Kevin got from
39:47other municipalities and we just
39:49attorneys convert them over to standing
39:50ground. It's pretty quick process.
39:53>> Yeah. Let me read through this and and
39:55highlight some things. We'll talk about
39:56it and circle back.
39:59>> Wonderful.
40:02Appreciate it.
40:02>> Thank you.
40:02>> I just I'm sorry to keep you. I knew he
40:04was on his way.
40:08>> All right. Thank you guys.
40:10>> All right.
40:11>> You want to do what's
40:14>> We can Melissa, you want to go ahead and
40:16so you don't have to stay.
40:20>> I know you printed one off.
40:22>> I'm Melissa Bear.
40:25Nice to meet you.
40:28>> Thank you.
40:34It's difficult.
40:39This is something I'm working with the
40:40clerks on. It's just a draft. I'm going
40:43to give you guys time to look at it and
40:46give us some feedback on it. I thought
40:57>> Yeah, that's what it looks like. I don't
40:58know how you got that first.
41:02>> He was sitting over here and I thought
41:04that like I thought that this was like
41:07because he just came on as a
41:08commissioner.
41:09>> Oh, this
41:14>> I just wanted to come tonight to
41:15introduce myself, give you a little
41:16background. Also introduce my
41:18granddaughter Mavis.
41:21>> Mavis.
41:23>> Beautiful name.
41:23>> Thank you. Yeah, I know you went to
41:25school with Matt, but my daughter Becca,
41:27that's her.
41:28>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
41:28>> Oh, yeah.
41:29>> And I was showing her Stamping Ground
41:30Elementary and said that's where your
41:31mommy went to school and so we've been
41:33having a good time visiting home. So, I
41:36I don't live here now, but I lived here
41:39for 27 years and my both my children
41:42went to Stamping Green Elementary in
41:43Scott County. So, I feel like I'm still
41:46part of the family. But I've been a CPA
41:48here for my goodness, a while now.
41:51Probably 10.
41:53Well, 201
41:57and uh my husband was with the fire
41:59department here and um they were needing
42:02some help getting their books together
42:03and so we've been working on that for
42:04about 10 years and the comm we now have
42:07some really good clerks. So what this is
42:09is I thought it'd be a good way to
42:10introduce you to my responsibilities and
42:13your responsibilities when it comes to
42:14financial reporting.
42:15>> Okay.
42:16>> And so I thought as I started working on
42:17this, it wouldn't be bad for you guys to
42:20have like an onboarding package. Okay,
42:23good. So, you can add to this. So, think
42:25about other things besides the work that
42:28I do that would be good to add to this.
42:31So, as new commissioners come on, they
42:33kind of have this on boarding. And I
42:34know there's a lot in here. I tried to
42:35cut it down. There's still 34 pages just
42:37for the financial, but that is a big big
42:39role for what you're here as a
42:41commissioner that I think people don't
42:43realize. So, I'm just going to hit a few
42:46big things. But what I'm asking you to
42:48do is to take this, read through it, and
42:51provide me some comments, some things
42:53that may be missing that we'd like to
42:55add, you know, that you think you would
42:57have liked to have known being a new
42:58commissioner, and this can be something
43:00that as new commissioners come and go.
43:02Or then once a year, this time of the
43:04year, we reook at it because a lot of it
43:06does have to do with budgeting.
43:07Budgeting is a big part of that. And I
43:10do want to bring that up tonight because
43:11I did hear that we got the big check
43:13that is more than we thought. So, we do
43:15need to amend the budget to record that
43:17even though it's a it's an income versus
43:19expenditure.
43:21>> I know we got
43:22>> Oh, sorry.
43:23>> Sorry. I guess I guess that I should
43:24have lived with that. Sorry.
43:28>> What was the
43:29>> exactly 300
43:30>> 300? Yeah.
43:32>> So, we current numbers
43:36>> it should be it should match the the
43:37proposal.
43:39So basically just kind of the welcoming
43:42understanding our structure because I
43:44think it what's different between
43:47accounting for personal or even for your
43:50own business city is very different
43:53governmental accounting is very
43:54different totally different standards
43:57everything is very different so this
43:59kind of goes into talking about the
44:00structure of our city what class it is
44:04just like fire department and their reg
44:06requirements financial requirements are
44:08different based upon the size of the
44:09city, how much money they bring in.
44:11Everything that's required of us is
44:13based on that. So, I thought that'd be
44:14good to kind of introduce what kind of
44:16city we are and how we do it. Our
44:19physical year is not January to
44:21December. It runs July 1st to June 30th.
44:24So, that's also kind of a difference in
44:26personal what people are used to. We
44:27have to do a lot of our reportings and
44:29things like that based upon that
44:31calendar. So, you can kind of see that.
44:34We do also at 2.3 something called fund
44:36accounting. So fund accounting that's
44:38the hardest one to get your head around
44:41but it kind of each of you have your own
44:43kind of fund and we keep the money
44:45separate and we keep the accounting
44:47board separate and that way you know I
44:49start out the year with this much money
44:51we do the budget which says you're going
44:53to get this much money we either from
44:55your own revenue like or from grants or
44:58from the city like from our big check we
45:01distribute that out as inter company or
45:03inter fund transfers but you'll get that
45:05money and then you're uh you come with
45:07your here's what I think I want to spend
45:10and they have to approve it and that's
45:12really the biggest thing. It's not just
45:14a best-in-class. It's a law. So once you
45:17sing that ordinance and we just
45:19published the ordinance, you're saying
45:21here's what we plan to do. So when we
45:23change that, we have to amend the budget
45:26to say no, we we had big expense all of
45:29a sudden. It's not dollars and you know
45:31every single category underneath it.
45:33It's kind of your total. But let's say
45:35that all of a sudden we approved 50,000
45:37for the chief here and he found a fire
45:40truck and he needs 100,000. Well, that's
45:42when we'd have to come together. You
45:44can't just do that. You have to get
45:45together and revote on it. And it is a
45:47vote of everybody. So the budget's own
45:49by all the commissioners, but each of
45:50you kind of come with here's what I
45:52think I want to do, here's what I plan
45:54to do, here's how much it's going to
45:55cost, and then we approve that budget.
45:57So that budget guides us the rest of
45:59this fiscal year. So we're putting the
46:01budget. Do you remember last year we
46:03were able to show you budget versus
46:04actual that's also a requirement. So you
46:07will get those reports which I think
46:08she's got June which will show the full
46:10year but starting in July we'll have the
46:12new budget in there. One thing we might
46:14want to talk about tonight is how
46:15quickly we do want to amend it for that
46:17and and because we got the extra
46:20probably next time if there is anything
46:22that we put off that you guys want to
46:24add or do we just want to say no we're
46:25just going to have it as we'll have more
46:27money left at the end of the year than
46:28we bought because we got more money
46:30coming in. So that's up to you guys, but
46:32I would think about that probably for
46:34the next meeting and then we can end the
46:36budget. Then
46:38>> I have a question.
46:39>> Yes.
46:41>> The hardest thing is sitting up here as
46:42commissioner is knowing what funds that
46:44we had left over.
46:46>> Yeah.
46:46>> So is that the carry forward?
46:48>> That was the estimate when we published
46:50the ordinance.
46:51>> So 166 is what we were estimating
46:53carrying.
46:54>> Yes.
46:54>> So we have 166 at the time of this being
46:57posted moving forward.
47:00without the budget. Now, is that money
47:02already put back into the budget to keep
47:04the city afloat? Because one of the
47:06biggest things I have is these
47:07departments look at you and go, "Well, I
47:10had $20,000 in my budget. Where'd it
47:12go?"
47:14I don't know how to answer that. Is it
47:16still there or did we roll that back
47:19into their 85,000 that we reissued them
47:23and so now they only have 85,000 or is
47:26it an additional 20 on top of that? You
47:28understand what I'm saying? I don't know
47:29how to answer their question.
47:34>> So,
47:36every month you should get the budget
47:38versus actual report,
47:40>> right?
47:40>> And it shows you what you spent and what
47:42you spend it on,
47:43>> right?
47:44>> And it says that in here. Your
47:45responsibility is to really know that
47:48stuff. That's not my responsibility.
47:50That's not her responsibility. That is
47:51your responsibility is to really say,
47:54"Here's where every single penny went
47:56and I know about it." Then all of you,
47:58you know, you should be aware. There
47:59shouldn't be anything that pop up and
48:00you're like, "Why? Why do we spend
48:01that?" You know, that's
48:02>> what I'm asking is this $166,000
48:05was it rolled back over into this
48:06current budget
48:08>> that as part of our total?
48:10>> No. So, you're you're confusing budget
48:12with funds.
48:13>> Okay.
48:13>> Okay. Unbalanced is how much money you
48:17have in the bank,
48:18>> right?
48:18>> Okay.
48:19>> Budget says
48:20>> this says $166,000 in the bank, right?
48:23>> Whether it's CDs, whether it's
48:24>> Yes. Everything.
48:26cash.
48:27>> Yes, that is how much funds you have in
48:29the bank. Each fund has their own
48:32balance. That's what fund accounting is.
48:34You have your own starting and ending
48:35funds. And then your budget, what is
48:39important is how much you said you're
48:41going to bring in and how much you said
48:43you're going to spend and that's what
48:44you have to look at every month. The
48:47balance will change all the time, but
48:49you hope at the end of the year that you
48:51at least our goal this year, we ended
48:53with a surplus was to have more money in
48:55the bank than we started. So that was
48:57kind of the strategy goal when we did
48:59the budget. That's where we ended up.
49:00>> So what was our surplus, you know, for
49:02that month that we passed the budget?
49:04>> It was around 50, I think,
49:06>> 50,000.
49:08>> So now we know of at least one actual.
49:10So again, budget versus actual. Budget
49:13is what we think, right? We don't know.
49:15Some of those numbers are estimates.
49:16Some of those numbers are we hope we get
49:18the grant. We hope we get state funds.
49:20We hope we get this
49:21>> based on last year's
49:22>> based on last year. We looked at actuals
49:24and say, you know, okay, we're going to
49:26be and we're conservative. I think we
49:27were good job this year being very
49:28conservative. Say, no, we're not going
49:30to put 300,000 in there. We only put
49:31250.
49:32>> So with that or 275, I can't remember.
49:35But with that, now we do have more.
49:37That's that's what you think about when
49:39the actual come in. That's when you
49:40revisit the budget and you say, "Okay,
49:42great. We got 300,000 instead of 275.
49:45>> So that 50,000.
49:46>> Mhm.
49:47>> Is that 40,000 over the CD?
49:50>> It can be.
49:51>> No, I mean is it current?
49:52>> Currently we have Well, the surplus
49:56means I'm taking in more money than I'm
49:59spending.
49:59>> So we have
50:01>> So we have Oh yeah, we had almost
50:03200,000 that we started with,
50:04>> right?
50:05>> And we're saying we're taking in this
50:07much, we're spending this much. So, we
50:09should be able to make we should at the
50:11end of the year have 250,000. Okay,
50:13>> that's kind of what the what
50:14>> I was just making sure that that wasn't
50:16included as a CD. That was just liquid
50:18that was in the bank.
50:19>> I mean, we have some CDs. We have
50:21savings accounts.
50:22>> So, it's not exactly We don't have I
50:24think he's saying liquid like if we went
50:25to the bank today, we 250,000. We don't
50:27have that. So,
50:30>> well, it is liquid assets. It's just you
50:32might have to pay a penalty if you pull
50:34it out of a CD, but it's a liquid asset.
50:36You could. But we have we have that one
50:38CD.
50:39>> The rest of that is money remaining in
50:40the accounts. But those accounts are
50:42budgeted funds. So we don't have that
50:45liquid. We we'd be in the debt and in
50:47the hope if we go take that 250,000 out.
50:49We still have bills. We still have bills
50:51and stuff. Yes.
50:52>> But you're saying we have a surplus of
50:5350, not counting the CDs is what I'm
50:56asking. So what I'm asking is do I take
50:58the $50,000 and put it in the CD?
51:01>> You see what I'm asking? What am I
51:02supposed to do with that surplus? Is
51:03that how do I know what the number is?
51:07I think he wants to know,
51:08>> do we have the ordinance?
51:10>> How do you know what the total
51:12overarching amount is? That's the
51:14hardest.
51:15>> The big number, not just the budget
51:17number, the
51:19>> number carry forward plus the number we
51:21budgeted plus any CDs we have plus
51:25>> actual dollar amounts in the bank, not
51:27the CDs.
51:29>> I think that's what he's wanting.
51:30>> Yeah, we have. So, in your ordinance,
51:32that's exactly what the ordinance tell.
51:34>> Yeah, I read it. You start with this is
51:35how much money you have in the bank per
51:37fund. I just I want to show the steel.
51:39>> So this is what got published for the
51:41budget. So each fund
51:43>> has a starting point. Then we add okay
51:46for next year we think we're going to
51:47bring in this much money and we've all
51:50agreed to spend this much money. And so
51:53at the end
51:55we had
52:00so we were going to bring in 728,000.
52:04We spent 720. So really our surplus was
52:06only7,000
52:08>> and we probably changed some things from
52:10the 50 when I was here. So So what we're
52:12saying is at the end of the year you're
52:15going to spend $7,000 less than what
52:18you're taking in. That's what you
52:19estimate. which means you'll add that to
52:22whichever account, whichever fund makes
52:25that happen.
52:26>> So, let's stop there
52:29>> just so that I understand
52:31>> we are going to have a surplus $7,000. I
52:33understand that that's what this budget
52:35is reflecting.
52:36>> Yeah.
52:36>> The surplus that we had from the
52:38previous year, was that allocated into
52:41this budget to cover means?
52:43>> Yeah.
52:43>> So, that 50,000
52:46surplus at the end of 25
52:50or whatever.
52:51>> 50,000.
52:52>> We did not have
52:53>> Okay. So, that's what I'm asking. What
52:54was that dollar amount?
52:56>> I didn't.
52:57>> No, 7,000 is the end of this year.
53:00>> 7,000 is what we anticipate to have at
53:03the end of June 30th.
53:05>> I'm asking this because this man sits
53:07over here and he asked me, I have
53:08$70,000 that I was budgeted for. I did
53:11not spend. Thank goodness.
53:12>> That does not roll forward.
53:13>> That does not roll forward. But where
53:14did that money go?
53:15>> It It wasn't money.
53:17>> It wasn't actualized. He wasn't talking
53:20Dale.
53:20>> He didn't spend it. And
53:22>> so so where does that allocate? Where
53:24does it just stay in general funds?
53:26>> It was never money. It was never
53:28realized money. It's like you like
53:30you've got $50 in the bank and you come
53:33and tell your wife, I'm going to bring
53:34in $1,000 this month and we're going to
53:36spend $500. And she expects you to have
53:39500 left, right, at the end of the
53:40month. So you're going to have $550 in
53:42the bank,
53:43>> right? you end up only spending $5. So
53:49you have 900 in there. So if you if he
53:53brought in if we got in the same
53:54revenue, we should have more money in
53:56the bank if he did not spend his whole
53:57budget.
53:59>> That's what I'm trying to
54:00>> You should but it'll be a general fund
54:01because he doesn't he's not a revenue
54:03producer,
54:03>> right? So you don't have that money
54:05until he needs it. Right.
54:06>> And it's not his money,
54:07>> right? It's general fun.
54:08>> It's the city's money. It's the taxpayer
54:10money. So that's why you have to think
54:12about this, not his money. This is the
54:14fun.
54:15>> The city's money. There should have been
54:16a surplus of money. Now due to
54:18overspending or whatever it may have
54:20been, we may not have had that,
54:21>> right? It might not be 7,000. It may
54:24have been 50.
54:24>> We should be able to see that with your
54:26June statements
54:28>> at the end.
54:28>> Yeah. What that number was should be in
54:30your
54:30>> We don't print them out email.
54:32>> Well, and I'll look at that and I'll
54:34give you that number.
54:35>> I'm just It's so hard for me to wrap my
54:37when John asked me that, you know.
54:40How how can I respond that way?
54:42>> If you don't This is the answer.
54:43>> I'm not over the
54:45>> budget. If you don't spend it, you lose
54:47it.
54:48>> Yeah,
54:48>> that's so it gets put into this year's
54:50budget.
54:51>> No, no.
54:52>> It's just we start all over.
54:53>> It goes back into general fund.
54:55>> It doesn't go anywhere. It just
54:58>> It never comes out of general.
55:00>> Yes. He never got that money transferred
55:01out of general fund because he didn't
55:03spend it.
55:04>> Okay. That's right. So in other words,
55:06the like the the parking lot that we
55:08didn't budget for Yes. was technically
55:1020,000. That could have gone towards his
55:1270,000 if you needed.
55:15And that's what I'm trying to wrap my
55:16head around. But to me that we didn't
55:18spend that fire department didn't spend
55:2023. We got a bunch of departments.
55:23Either we did a really bad job of
55:25managing money
55:26>> because these departments had that money
55:28allocated. If there if there been
55:29another police officer, would we have
55:31been upside down for the master? Here's
55:34here's one thing I think a lot of people
55:35miss when they come in. We make the
55:37budget, just say a flat number,
55:39$500,000. That doesn't mean on July 1st
55:41we have $5,000 to pay that budget out.
55:43We haven't got our property tax in. We
55:45haven't got our our grants and our funds
55:47and it's not there. I mean, day one if
55:50the police department comes to us and
55:52says, "I want $90,000." It's not there.
55:54>> And the thing you have to think about is
55:56the revenue side of it. So, let's say
55:58that last year's budget we thought we
56:00were going to get 300,000 and we only
56:01got 250 for the big check. That could
56:04have happened as well and then that
56:06would have been I think what I'm asking
56:08is,
56:08>> okay, we had $100,000 that we didn't
56:10spend or they had it allocated. They
56:13didn't spend it. We may have spent it
56:14anywhere else, but in their eyes they
56:16have $70,000, $25,000, whatever. That
56:19$100,000 that's allegedly out there,
56:22that is the city's money that we
56:23budgeted for. that money at the end of
56:26the year when we start our new budget,
56:28do we include that $100,000 that we
56:30didn't spend into the new going into our
56:33new budget?
56:34>> Not as part of their budget,
56:36>> not as part of their starting point. So
56:38that first line on the budget, it's part
56:41of the fund balance.
56:42>> It's part of the fund balance. So yes,
56:45if it's realized, so realized means we
56:47got the revenue we thought we were going
56:49to get in and we didn't spend, like she
56:51said, the money somewhere else. If it's
56:53a true realize that we didn't spend what
56:55we thought we're going to spend and we
56:56got all the money in we thought it will
56:58show up on that top line as carry
57:00forward. So that's true that'll be on
57:03the top line. Then you add what's coming
57:05in, what's going out and this is what we
57:07plan at the end of the car.
57:08>> So the carry forward is also utilized
57:10into the city's current.
57:12>> It's just not there's no carry forward
57:14of budget. It's a carry forward of
57:16funds, right?
57:17>> And then you rethink about those funds
57:19because your strategy could change. All
57:20of a sudden you're like, "Oh, we're
57:21going to build a big park building or
57:23something." So you don't, it doesn't go
57:25to him or him. It's the cities to then
57:27reallocate in the budget.
57:29>> You got it.
57:30>> So we didn't have any extra other than
57:34the $7,000 that estimated.
57:36>> No, the 7,000 is nothing to do with last
57:38year, right?
57:39>> 7,000 it just says you as a commissioner
57:42made a a conscience effort to balance
57:46your budget. You know how the government
57:48never balances their budget, right? You
57:49did. You said we got this much coming
57:52in. We're going to spend this much and
57:53the difference was 7,000.
57:55>> So, we don't have any we don't have any
57:56need to put in savings is what I'm
57:57saying from last year.
57:59>> Well, if we should if we look at the
58:01June financials, you should be able to
58:03see how much we had.
58:06>> And if you don't see that, I'll I'll
58:09>> trying to figure out like, okay, let's
58:11say we had $50,000 with savings. I I did
58:15you know that?
58:16>> Did you that see what I'm saying? like
58:19that that's missing. We're missing that
58:21on the commission side.
58:22>> Well, it should be
58:23>> maybe Dale's getting we'll make sure the
58:26budget versus actual report. You should
58:28be able to see that,
58:29>> right?
58:30>> So, how much budget versus actual, how
58:32much you got in versus the budget and
58:34how much you spent versus the budget.
58:35And then there is a total line at the
58:37end and that should give you the number
58:39that you're talking about whether it's a
58:41plus or minus. I don't know the exact
58:42number because like she said, we might
58:44have spent it that we didn't and we
58:46might have not got in what we thought we
58:48>> Well, she said the perfect thing, not
58:49just the the parking lot. We did not
58:52budget for a second person sent to the
58:54clerk's desk. I mean, there's a lot of
58:56things that we did not have in the
58:57budget that ain't that figure out.
58:59>> We also took $83,000 extra money,
59:02>> huh? 80 or 73.
59:04>> What I do as your CPA is my job to to
59:08look at those numbers and make sure they
59:09make sense. That's what I'm in my mind.
59:11I'm going, okay, we had a lot of extra
59:13money last year. Obviously, we didn't
59:15have an officer. Like, I just where's
59:18what am I supposed to I'm like I want to
59:21put money up for future commissions.
59:23>> All right. Well, I will I'll
59:24>> or allocate it to signs or what, you
59:27know, whatever. The commission decides
59:30>> I'll come to the next meeting. I didn't
59:32know this was your question. Well,
59:33>> so send me a question earlier and I
59:35could have brought all this with me. But
59:37I would come to the next meeting looking
59:39at fiscal year last year.
59:41>> Yeah.
59:41>> And answering all your questions
59:43>> and then you guys can make that
59:44decision. If we had that, you might say,
59:46"Hey, let's open up a CV. We have that
59:48money if we need to." Or
59:49>> that's all I'm asking.
59:50>> We can do that. And as we do that, then
59:52we'll look forward to and say, "Okay,
59:54what are we doing with the extra 50,
59:56which is the 300,000 versus what we
59:58budgeted?" So think of that. We say,
1:00:00"Nope, we're not going to change any of
1:00:02our expenditures. We're just going to
1:00:03note and amend the budget to say we got
1:00:05in more money and we'll publish that so
1:00:07people know and then it'll show that
1:00:09carrying forward is going to be 200 and
1:00:11something thousand,
1:00:12>> right?
1:00:12>> And that'll be our that's our target.
1:00:14>> Can we like consolidate what options we
1:00:18have to choose from on the budget like
1:00:21what our line items are? Okay. Uh, the
1:00:24reason I ask is I I was talking to
1:00:26Michelle and I had like KU flashers and
1:00:29a different street sign, but then I have
1:00:31somewhere else it was two different
1:00:32types of lights as well, and it looks
1:00:34like I over spent like $1,000, but we
1:00:37didn't budget for it at all. But
1:00:39technically, where I budgeted was down
1:00:41here on this line, and that's coming out
1:00:43up here. Can we like just so that it
1:00:45doesn't look like we're spending money
1:00:48if there's actually a place like can we
1:00:50get rid of two that we don't need so
1:00:53that like whenever we
1:00:54>> this gets print out every month and
1:00:56that's the only one we can choose from.
1:00:58Yes.
1:00:58>> So what I would recommend we went to
1:01:00that in level year before the last.
1:01:03Yeah.
1:01:03>> Because we needed to know where all the
1:01:05money was gone.
1:01:06>> This year when we did the budget we did
1:01:08pull it up some. So you'll see in this
1:01:11year the account that is going to your
1:01:14budget you're new for July. So this is
1:01:16the year you'll see July and then that's
1:01:18what they need to do is when we book it
1:01:21you book it to that account. You don't
1:01:23book it to the nth grade. And if it
1:01:24comes up then we need to talk to you and
1:01:26say okay before I book this is this
1:01:28really this line and not this line.
1:01:30>> That's a big thing. The commissioner
1:01:32used to say this needs come up.
1:01:33>> Yes. And that's your job in looking at.
1:01:35So when you get that doesn't mean you
1:01:36did anything wrong. That's the feedback
1:01:38she needs. Say, "Oh, that wasn't that
1:01:40should not have been here. It should be
1:01:41up here." She'll make that change and
1:01:43then that won't show us negative.
1:01:44>> Right. Which was what her and I were
1:01:46talking about cuz it it honestly it it
1:01:48changes my overage
1:01:51>> from like almost $1,000 to like 400.
1:01:54>> So like it looks a lot better. Like I
1:01:58manage my money better than just not
1:02:01budgeting for street lights that I know
1:02:03it's going to come out.
1:02:04>> Yeah. I think it's hard when you go to
1:02:06that in level. So, it's better to have
1:02:08it higher, but there was a need for it
1:02:09at that time. And I think now that we've
1:02:12got a a better budgeting process, we can
1:02:14kind of look at that. But that's again
1:02:16just she just needs to know where to
1:02:18book it to and then then we'll know
1:02:19which budget it's hitting. And it's good
1:02:22to have, you know, it's good to have
1:02:24those every once in a while and that way
1:02:25you guys can see it and say, "Did we
1:02:27budget for this or not?" And we can go
1:02:29back and look at what we discussed and
1:02:31say, "Oh, we talked about this, but we
1:02:33didn't talk about that." I mean, that's
1:02:34the role. That's your role. That's what
1:02:35it says in here. Your role is to
1:02:37challenge. Doesn't mean anything's
1:02:39wrong. Counting we counting people make
1:02:41mistakes all the time. We got a million
1:02:43accounts out there. She does the best
1:02:45she can, but she can put it in the wrong
1:02:47account. That's not a bad thing. It's
1:02:49your job to tell her that and say,
1:02:50"Nope, I spent that for that. It really
1:02:52goes against this budget and that's
1:02:54where it goes." And she can make those
1:02:55correction.
1:02:55>> And that's why I stressed a couple of
1:02:57months ago, we were just getting
1:02:58individual reports. You know, all five
1:03:00eye all five pairs of eyes need looking
1:03:01at this just because we might catch
1:03:03something. Somebody may catch something
1:03:04in my department. I didn't even have a
1:03:05clue was there. And so I think that's
1:03:07why we should.
1:03:08>> Well, let's look, let me bring that.
1:03:10I'll bring what you wanted, which is
1:03:11kind of a look back at last year and
1:03:13then we'll do the budget report for this
1:03:16period. And whatever you guys want to
1:03:18change, we can change. That is your
1:03:20report. You say, I want to see it this
1:03:22way. I don't want to see this. I want to
1:03:23see one that's total. You tell us what
1:03:26you need. My thing is we might have cut
1:03:28things out that
1:03:29>> we may not have really wanted to cut out
1:03:31what we did to make the budget balance,
1:03:33>> right?
1:03:33>> And you know, cut a radio out. We could
1:03:35could have paid off the truck.
1:03:36>> Well, that's why you go back. So, that's
1:03:38what I'm asking you to do. You go back
1:03:39and look at our priorities list cuz we
1:03:41did the budget really well. You go back
1:03:42and look at the priorities list and you
1:03:44say, "Oh, we didn't do that. We now have
1:03:46this extra money. Do we want to do
1:03:48that?" And then somebody make a motion.
1:03:50>> Please. I I would blow that.
1:03:52>> I'm sorry. I didn't I may lost trans,
1:03:55you know. I I don't know if I really
1:03:57expressed it to you that well
1:04:00>> actually
1:04:02got a question.
1:04:03>> When you bring that stuff, could you
1:04:05>> Ashley's got a question?
1:04:06>> Take her first.
1:04:08>> Has the final amended budget for 2526
1:04:12been published? Wouldn't that answer the
1:04:14question that Cody's asking about what
1:04:16the final over under?
1:04:18>> We did not amend the budget for last
1:04:20year. We
1:04:22>> Well, not a final. I don't guess it's
1:04:24been amended since your second.
1:04:26>> We published one, didn't we? We
1:04:27published an amended.
1:04:28>> Oh, since the end since the Jan June
1:04:3030th. No, we haven't done
1:04:33question was also when you bring that
1:04:34stuff. Could you bring because Cody's
1:04:36right when you decided about this and I
1:04:38think just my opinion, you need to start
1:04:40being saved because
1:04:42>> could you bring what one month of bills
1:04:44cost for city and then what a quarter
1:04:46cost? Because I think this commission
1:04:47needs to realize if anything were happen
1:04:49at one time, something failed to come in
1:04:51or something happened, we need to have
1:04:53money in reserve to pay our day-to-day
1:04:55bills. And I don't think the
1:04:56commission's ever thought about that in
1:04:58that sense to have money back behind.
1:05:01>> Yeah. Well, I think it's, you know, it's
1:05:02like being a contractor and, you know,
1:05:04not having a weekly paycheck. You know
1:05:07that you only get big checks every once
1:05:09in a while, so you have to budget your
1:05:11bills based upon your big checks. Same
1:05:13thing for here. the the big money that
1:05:15comes in for the city is the
1:05:16intergovernmental check that we just got
1:05:18in. So that's a 300,000 we're talking
1:05:20about. It's not guaranteed. It it was
1:05:23what was it last year? Was it
1:05:24>> 323?
1:05:24>> Yeah. So we got less than we got last
1:05:26year. But Cody was very adamant. He's
1:05:28like I'm not budgeting for it because
1:05:29not guaranteed.
1:05:30>> We only got 250.
1:05:32>> Yeah. So we budgeted a lot less because
1:05:34you're not guaranteed that. None is
1:05:36guaranteed. The only thing that's Well,
1:05:37none I mean t people don't pay their
1:05:39taxes. Property values go down. That's
1:05:41the thing with government. It's not it's
1:05:43very fluid like you're saying. So in
1:05:46income and expenditures vary. So you may
1:05:49have a really big expenditure month
1:05:51which I think is what you're saying with
1:05:52zero income coming in. So you've got to
1:05:54have money in the bank.
1:05:56>> The the over the last 10 years we
1:05:58started with a lot of money in the bank.
1:06:01And the commissioner when they would do
1:06:03their budget honestly just didn't plan
1:06:04anything.
1:06:06>> They didn't plan to improve the park.
1:06:08>> They didn't plan to improve the streets.
1:06:10They didn't plan to do anything. They
1:06:12planned to add money to the savings
1:06:14account. And honestly, as a citizen at
1:06:17that time and the CPA, I'm like, and
1:06:19you'll read that in here. You are
1:06:21stewards of that money. That is your
1:06:24job. That is not your money. That's not
1:06:26fun money. It is the city taxpayers's
1:06:29money. It is the citizens money. So, as
1:06:31a steward, you're supposed just like you
1:06:33do for the Lord, you spend it the right
1:06:35way. And so what I was saying, adding it
1:06:38to some rich vice president bank account
1:06:41is not the right way to spend the
1:06:43citizens money. So they started planning
1:06:45things and you have all the new things
1:06:47that have happened over the last 10
1:06:49years. And they did a couple times we
1:06:51and they had so much money. They got
1:06:53used to having an unbalanced budget. But
1:06:56that's okay. There's nothing wrong with
1:06:58that. They're like, why put 500,000 in
1:07:00the bank? Let's spend 200 of it and have
1:07:03250 in the bank.
1:07:04>> I love that. No problem. that well
1:07:06that's the that's what they had but they
1:07:08at least did do some things with the
1:07:10money thing about balancing some savings
1:07:12is when we have a project comes up we
1:07:14have some savings hey we don't have to
1:07:16find we've got money here we could do
1:07:18this big project but right now we
1:07:19couldn't you know we couldn't fund
1:07:22$10,000 project
1:07:25>> because it's this time of year
1:07:26>> so until you get your big check just
1:07:28just like if you were a contractor and
1:07:29you got paid one time a year I bet you
1:07:32money until that big check comes in you
1:07:33are borrowing from Peter to pay a little
1:07:35bit. So that's normal. There's nothing
1:07:37wrong with that. That's doesn't mean the
1:07:39city's done anything wrong. That is what
1:07:42governmental accounting is. That's why
1:07:43you hear it all over the news and stuff.
1:07:46It's it's it's hard because nothing is
1:07:48guaranteed. But your job is to be a
1:07:51steward of it and to do the budget,
1:07:52which you did did a great job with the
1:07:54budget this year. So now it's time to
1:07:56look at things as they come become
1:07:58actual. So I'll bring back July and
1:08:01we'll look at the actual for the month
1:08:02of July. Where did every penny go? Was
1:08:05it a lot more than what we thought it
1:08:07was going to be? Was it a lot less? We
1:08:09got in 50 grand more. So, do we want to
1:08:12amend the budget to use that money and
1:08:14one of our priorities that we did not
1:08:16do? That's really the discussion that we
1:08:18need to we should have regular
1:08:20discussions like that. And I'll try to I
1:08:22can come down more to be here to kind of
1:08:24do those discussions.
1:08:25>> I would love that. I just hate the
1:08:27track.
1:08:27>> Oh, it's before it was just because I
1:08:30worked all the time now. I do still work
1:08:32on the time, but it's a better work. I I
1:08:34didn't try to put it down here.
1:08:35>> Love that. You just kind of like show
1:08:37us, okay, this is what we have. Yeah.
1:08:39>> Everything else is accounted for. This
1:08:41is not extra money, but this is
1:08:43potential savings.
1:08:44>> Yeah.
1:08:45>> We'll lend this for whatever. I would
1:08:47love it.
1:08:47>> Okay. Oh, I can do that. And yeah, go
1:08:50ahead.
1:08:52>> So, I love this.
1:08:53>> Good.
1:08:54>> I love you had the in there.
1:08:55>> Yeah. Um, and what I'm getting ready to
1:08:57ask, I have a source, the KLC has a vote
1:09:00to get these out, but can we also add
1:09:01like the cliff fund? Can we add the fire
1:09:03incentive? Can we add the LGA house bill
1:09:06413? So, new because that's the biggest
1:09:08thing when we get that budget, a new
1:09:09principle
1:09:12sentence because I think sometimes what
1:09:15gets in their minds is that's money we
1:09:17can spend and we can't. Those are
1:09:18regulated to specific areas and I think
1:09:21it'd be good to have something like
1:09:23>> funds.
1:09:24>> Yeah. just the ones we know we get like
1:09:26like I said the municipal road aid um
1:09:29because one I was looking I was like oh
1:09:30she got that in there MRA it wasn't it
1:09:32was your accounting thing but um but
1:09:35yeah just and I can send you the
1:09:36screenshots from the KC I'm sure when
1:09:39you just take their definitions out of
1:09:40there and just add it to here because KC
1:09:43is like 700 pages this is wonderful
1:09:46>> for a new commissioner and for you to
1:09:48have those individual ones we know we
1:09:49deal with they can look at and go oh
1:09:51that's what that's used for or
1:09:53especially streets she was What does it
1:09:55mean for roating?
1:09:56>> Yeah, that's that's a very good point
1:09:57because that is the difference in
1:09:59governmental accounting and personal and
1:10:00business accounting. If we have funds
1:10:03that are called restricted funds, it
1:10:04means they can only be used for that
1:10:06purpose. So, street gets a certain aid
1:10:09that can only be used for certain types
1:10:11of street expenditures. So, she was very
1:10:14adamant this year. I want to really see
1:10:16my accounting for that. So, we work to
1:10:18make that accounting separate. This
1:10:20commission was real good with the police
1:10:22funds and with the fire past commission
1:10:24I was on. They thought they could take
1:10:26the fire department's $11,000 and say
1:10:28that's part of the budget. We'll spend
1:10:29it on this and we're like no here's a
1:10:30piece of paper says you can only spend
1:10:32on these things.
1:10:33>> I think that would help a new
1:10:35commissioner especially if you're over
1:10:36that department.
1:10:37>> I think I think that's good. It also
1:10:38help with the clerks too and that's
1:10:40something we're
1:10:42the one thing just let you know there's
1:10:43some timelines in here. We are behind on
1:10:46the audit. Okay. We do have an
1:10:49extension. So, it's not like we're
1:10:50they're yelling at us. They all know
1:10:52they all approved to it. And the reason
1:10:54we did that, there was just so much
1:10:55change in the commission this year and
1:10:58we had to focus on that. We had to focus
1:10:59on budget. We had to focus on several
1:11:01things, but we're almost done with both
1:11:03of those things. I'm doing and I told
1:11:06the LG, I said I'm going to give them
1:11:08together and that'll be how I like to do
1:11:10it. The UER and the audit go together.
1:11:12So, they pay me to do an audit. So, I
1:11:14truly do an audit. I look at every
1:11:16invoice, not every but the material
1:11:18invoices across every account. I look at
1:11:21the QuickBooks accounts and how they're
1:11:22accounting. I give advice and you'll see
1:11:24in here the MRA letter. So at the end
1:11:26the when I issue the audit, you're going
1:11:28to get in that audit a letter that says,
1:11:30I think you should do X, Y, and Z. Your
1:11:33job is to respond to me to say, yep, we
1:11:35agree and we're going to do it or no, we
1:11:38don't agree and we're not going to do
1:11:39it. That's part of the audit as well.
1:11:41And that's why I mentioned already a
1:11:42second go. Is there any way you can
1:11:44compile your if it's a lot say no your
1:11:47past 10 years because I think look the
1:11:49ones I've known about and I've read it
1:11:50just always kind of offends my mind that
1:11:53we're paying you good bit of money and
1:11:56using your expertise specialism and the
1:11:58lack of the commissions following your
1:12:00advice.
1:12:00>> Yeah.
1:12:01>> And things we've never done.
1:12:02>> I think we followed it pretty good last
1:12:03year.
1:12:04>> Last year we done good but there's
1:12:06there's she has some other things.
1:12:09>> You know what I think it is? I think
1:12:10it's this onboarding.
1:12:13>> You know, it's very odd, which I still
1:12:16don't understand government accounting,
1:12:18but um the commissions come in right in
1:12:22the middle of a budget. You got all new
1:12:25people had no idea what you guys talked
1:12:27about, what and it makes it so difficult
1:12:30to really catch up. And that's why I
1:12:32think this onboarding would really help
1:12:34with that. And then I think every time
1:12:37we do have a change in the commission or
1:12:39the mayor, then we redo we look at the
1:12:42budget again. I mean, we redo finances.
1:12:44We look at it again. That way you know
1:12:46exactly what was discussed, what
1:12:48priorities fell off, what priorities we
1:12:50thought we were going to do because you
1:12:52might have the same ideas. You're like,
1:12:53"Oh, I would have voted for that."
1:12:54Because that's what we did. We brought
1:12:56in all of our wish lists and then we
1:12:57voted on it and kind of not a vote like
1:13:01commission vote, but just I put my money
1:13:02here. I'd rather have this. I'd rather
1:13:04have that. and then how many that rose
1:13:06to the top. That's kind of what we did
1:13:08for the budget, which is a really good
1:13:09way to do it.
1:13:10>> And the reason why I asked that is
1:13:11because the last commission I was on, I
1:13:13tried to bring up doing municipal orders
1:13:15and you would have thought I asked them
1:13:16to sell the first child. This commission
1:13:18has been good with municipal orders.
1:13:20They're like, "Yeah, that makes sense
1:13:21because your policies you recommend in
1:13:22the past that they haven't followed your
1:13:24policies can be done by municipal order
1:13:26because it's in house. It's for
1:13:27financial purposes." So, I think if you
1:13:29bring those that list, there might be
1:13:31something
1:13:31>> and you'll see this is not my document.
1:13:33This is your document. I'm just helping
1:13:36them. This is their document. So, I'm
1:13:38just helping them as a expertise
1:13:40consultant as to what from a financial
1:13:43perspective what I think goes in here.
1:13:44But I do think there should be other
1:13:46things that you add for sure. This was
1:13:48just kind of my first draft. Get it in
1:13:50front of you and and it'll help you too
1:13:52because we talked about these things,
1:13:54but we didn't you didn't read it.
1:13:56>> So, I think this as you read it, you're
1:13:57going to go, "What the heck is that?"
1:13:59And I want those questions. So shoot me
1:14:01an email say this section I really want
1:14:03to talk about when you come and listen
1:14:04that way I'll be prepared to to answer
1:14:06those questions really well because it
1:14:08is I I I perused it pretty pretty
1:14:10thoroughly and it's got some good things
1:14:12in it but I did take some things out
1:14:13because it was getting so big but so I
1:14:16don't want to scared you with the book
1:14:17but it's good. It's it's really um it's
1:14:20a good way to introduce I think people
1:14:21to the responsibilities and financial
1:14:23responsibility is the number one here.
1:14:25It really is. I do appreciate it and I
1:14:27don't like reading and there's no
1:14:29pictures in here, but I'll give it a
1:14:31go.
1:14:32>> I know. No pictures takes too too much
1:14:34room when you put pictures in. But it
1:14:36it's it's not as as hard as you think
1:14:39once you get through because it's broken
1:14:40up kind of full.
1:14:42>> I always see numbers and stuff. It's
1:14:44just
1:14:46>> Well, I only put the budget one in there
1:14:47because I would like to do this. Yes. at
1:14:50every budget cycle
1:14:51>> and you guys can change it every year,
1:14:54you know, and say, "Well, one thing I
1:14:55learned this year that I think would
1:14:56have been good to have in the package is
1:14:57what something like you said." So,
1:15:01>> thank you so much.
1:15:02>> Thank you, Melissa. You're welcome.
1:15:03>> Thank you. Thank you.
1:15:04>> You're welcome.
1:15:05>> And thank you for persevering.
1:15:08>> It's been so good.
1:15:11>> Okay. Uh, public works department. Oh, I
1:15:16have nothing except for I'm going to
1:15:17follow with Megan about where we are
1:15:19with the bricks.
1:15:21I think
1:15:21>> yeah, it ends this weekend and then I'll
1:15:24reach out to Ken as far as um getting
1:15:27them ordered and then moving forward
1:15:30with getting them put out there. Um and
1:15:33also, has the awning been put on yet?
1:15:36Okay, they said that they were going to
1:15:38be here at least the last week. So, I
1:15:39can give them a call tomorrow just to
1:15:41see what the holdup is and when they're
1:15:43coming.
1:15:44And I don't know. I don't Whenever I had
1:15:48talked to Ken about the the repairs, he
1:15:50said that you all had the quote. So, are
1:15:54we going with that quote? And if so,
1:15:58I guess can he know
1:16:00>> who it is? So, you can call him and ask
1:16:02about if
1:16:02>> I recall. That's
1:16:08about right.
1:16:10Um, so that way we can move forward with
1:16:13getting
1:16:14the that repair done.
1:16:16>> It was correct
1:16:17>> for the repair down there.
1:16:18>> Yes.
1:16:19>> Okay.
1:16:21um
1:16:23trying to think. I still haven't
1:16:25received anything for the uh land and
1:16:27water grant, but I do think that it
1:16:29would be the best grant to use if um
1:16:33like apply for and and try to get uh
1:16:36it's a 50/50 split, but it's like 25,000
1:16:41up to I think a million uh is what the
1:16:46grant like you can possibly get. But it
1:16:49helps with parks and anything around. So
1:16:51I think that I mean if we could apply
1:16:54for it getting like the fans, new
1:16:56benches, new grill
1:16:58>> um anything that needed to happen with
1:17:00this spring. Um only catch with that one
1:17:03is uh is that that would have to remain
1:17:06a park.
1:17:06>> Well, we can put in the if it's not
1:17:08already in the deed.
1:17:10>> I I think it is
1:17:12cuz I told I told her that I wasn't 100%
1:17:15positive. I didn't see it changing, but
1:17:18I mean that I would ask you all, but I
1:17:20mean I think that I mean cuz if we could
1:17:23get $50,000 worth of stuff for $25,000,
1:17:25I think that'd be
1:17:27>> I mean we could make that look great
1:17:29over there that would we would cover
1:17:30staining it
1:17:31>> and keeping it's taking care of it.
1:17:35>> I mean, depending on how much we budget
1:17:36for, how much they are willing to give
1:17:38us, we could probably update some of the
1:17:40the stuff out there for the kids,
1:17:43>> especially because you mentioned
1:17:44staining. I mentioned that a couple
1:17:46years ago I forgot something came up to
1:17:48me and the store said, "Well, when's the
1:17:50last time you felted the roof?" I'm
1:17:52like, "Oh, about that metal roofs." You
1:17:53know, you have to change those felts
1:17:55every so often, like 10 years. That
1:17:57thing's like 30 years old.
1:17:59>> So, I don't know last time ever done.
1:18:02Question, did we approve to pay for this
1:18:04already? I think that's what you were
1:18:05asking.
1:18:06>> Well, um, Cody said we I think we put it
1:18:09in the budget. I'm pretty sure that we
1:18:10approved to have Okay.
1:18:12>> that done. My next question, have you
1:18:13seen this? Because it's got exclusions,
1:18:15limitations, and warranty on the back.
1:18:18>> I'll send it to you so you can read
1:18:20through it.
1:18:20>> Yeah.
1:18:20>> Before we just page.
1:18:22>> Yeah. Yeah. That's what surprised me.
1:18:23Yeah.
1:18:24>> I have not seen that.
1:18:26>> Okay.
1:18:27>> I don't think we've signed a contract
1:18:28either.
1:18:29>> Yeah.
1:18:30>> I was going to say we might want to
1:18:32reach out to them because I know
1:18:33contracts are normally only good for so
1:18:35long. And if we let that lapse
1:18:37>> Yeah, this one's already lapsed.
1:18:38>> Oh, this will be what 30 days. Yeah, we
1:18:41got this in May. So, I'll reach out to
1:18:43him, see if he can send update. I
1:18:45>> say just let them know that we as time
1:18:48>> like we had a commissioner fall off like
1:18:49please don't up the price
1:18:54>> for the public works. Yeah,
1:18:56>> I'll just say something about public
1:18:58works. I met with Chase about the water
1:19:00tower. Um, and we had a really good
1:19:03meeting. He gave me all the
1:19:04documentation and uh chronological
1:19:07order. I did run it by him. I floated
1:19:10the idea of whether or not they would be
1:19:12interested in buying out our
1:19:15>> remainder.
1:19:15>> Yeah. He said probably that's not going
1:19:18to happen.
1:19:19>> He said he doesn't even think he would
1:19:21bring it up to the board. So, um I guess
1:19:25one thing I need to know is
1:19:28he has told me that that that they are
1:19:30not getting any money other than the
1:19:33maintenance agreement that they had. So
1:19:35if we're not giving money in off that
1:19:39lease, then nobody is and it's just all
1:19:41that gear is just up there for free. And
1:19:44if that's been the case for years, you
1:19:46know, we might be entitled to a decent
1:19:48chunk of money.
1:19:50>> And at minimum, we could say you're not
1:19:53keep that stuff up there if you're not
1:19:54paying us.
1:19:56Um,
1:19:58yes, there were some other things said
1:20:00that we talked about in executive
1:20:01session. I don't know if I should
1:20:02mention out here, but since it's dealt
1:20:04with all that, um,
1:20:07they're I can tell you what they're
1:20:08going to say. They're going to say,
1:20:09"Well, we are in the contract with
1:20:10Georgetown Water to represent themselves
1:20:12as the rightful person to lease anything
1:20:14on that tower." Yeah.
1:20:16>> And they weren't because, you know, we
1:20:18got 50ear,
1:20:19>> right?
1:20:21>> So,
1:20:21>> I mean, is there at any point that we
1:20:23can say, "Okay, well, that's they gave
1:20:25you something that wasn't theirs to
1:20:26give." So, like you make a contract with
1:20:28us or through them and this is what gets
1:20:30paid. Yeah.
1:20:31>> So ultimately Chase told me that
1:20:36if we wanted to go that route, he would
1:20:38he would make the recommendation to
1:20:39their board that they just give us that
1:20:41money.
1:20:42>> That's what I think.
1:20:43>> And you know that's that is a decision
1:20:46that we would have to make about how
1:20:48>> yeah how strict we want to be on the
1:20:52language. I think it would be worth
1:20:55looking into whether we've been getting
1:20:57any money from it because you know
1:20:59>> and you know if anything we need to be a
1:21:01party to the contract.
1:21:03>> Absolutely.
1:21:04>> Not left out all together like we are.
1:21:05>> Yeah. Well, and you know, that's
1:21:07something going forward, but also if
1:21:09those things have been up there for, you
1:21:11know, a long time and they've not been
1:21:12paying anybody, then
1:21:14>> yeah, I just wonder what the statute
1:21:15would be on that for because we've known
1:21:18now for a couple of years before this
1:21:20commission that we weren't getting that
1:21:24>> come get you stuff.
1:21:26>> Actually, we've known for 10 over 10
1:21:27years. Well, even if even if we don't
1:21:30end up going back and we're covering
1:21:32what was owed, getting what is owed
1:21:34going forward forward. Yeah.
1:21:37>> And you know, along that if they're not
1:21:39interested in buying it out, there are
1:21:40companies, I brought this up last year,
1:21:42there are companies that will actually
1:21:43broker those sites and find us people
1:21:46around get revenue stream coming in.
1:21:50>> I think what's we got 25 more years or
1:21:52something like that. I mean,
1:21:54>> yeah,
1:21:55>> you know, that's a good chunk of time to
1:21:57get somebody in there to release it and
1:22:00>> make it, you know, it's just sitting up
1:22:02there data center on joking.
1:22:05>> Joking.
1:22:06>> Um, so anyway, that's an update on that
1:22:09that Yeah. Um, and I guess we can just
1:22:12keep trying to move that ball forward.
1:22:15Chase did say that to file an open
1:22:17records request, you know, as part of
1:22:19the plan. file an open records request
1:22:21and ask for any documentation of money
1:22:24they've received as payment for
1:22:26basically for rent and he would answer
1:22:28it back we haven't had any. So you know
1:22:30at that point we could go to the company
1:22:32and say
1:22:34nobody's been getting paid on this
1:22:37>> yeah if we do that we also need to over
1:22:39request for any agreements between them
1:22:41and any individual using the tower
1:22:44because we need proof to show that we
1:22:46should have been part of that.
1:22:47>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy to me to
1:22:49think that we were let
1:22:51>> that stuff's up there. Nobody's making
1:22:53any payments.
1:22:54>> I understand it because water towers are
1:22:56actually I think it's a federal license
1:22:58where they actually there's a number for
1:22:59water towers anywhere in United States
1:23:01and so probably the company well
1:23:03actually bought from SH but probably
1:23:04they looked oh Georgetown water owns
1:23:06this and didn't even think about us
1:23:08because our contracts not nobody
1:23:10anywhere in that ownership.
1:23:14question. Did I don't know if it was you
1:23:16or Peggy here last time, but you all did
1:23:18call um Georgetown or you know you were
1:23:21going to tell him about our rate
1:23:22increase.
1:23:23>> Oh yes, I think they handled that.
1:23:25>> Yeah, I sent her an email and she has
1:23:27verified the the timeline because um
1:23:30like July, the check that we get in July
1:23:32pays for the payments for June. Yeah.
1:23:35>> Uh so that it won't actually show up
1:23:37till
1:23:38>> is it September?
1:23:40>> Oh, or August.
1:23:42That means we'll take a month hit on
1:23:43Rumpky for the increase that they're
1:23:45going to charge us. Thanks.
1:23:55>> Cool. Thank you.
1:23:57>> Before I forget, since you've already
1:23:58fixed the public works email,
1:24:01>> I guess now you have to fix fire.
1:24:03>> Oh, yeah.
1:24:04>> Well, you have to fix both.
1:24:06>> Yeah. I guess I guess you need to give
1:24:07the paper to him.
1:24:10the public works one.
1:24:12>> Okay,
1:24:15>> you could go
1:24:18>> if you could go into the fire.
1:24:20>> Oh, yeah.
1:24:21>> And try to get your password recovery
1:24:23email.
1:24:24>> I'll set a new password temporary and
1:24:26send you and
1:24:27>> Well, I can I can reset the password
1:24:29without a problem. It's I can't go in
1:24:32and get all your personal information
1:24:35off of there like you know your phone
1:24:37numbers so that it doesn't I don't have
1:24:39any. I I'll look and see, but I don't
1:24:41think I put any of my personal
1:24:42information
1:24:43>> because that makes it attachable for
1:24:44open record request.
1:24:46>> I don't think I put any of that on
1:24:47there.
1:24:48>> Well, I know it'll ask ask for like a
1:24:50recovery email and stuff, but yeah, just
1:24:52see if you've got to get
1:24:52>> Well, that comes to you. That comes
1:24:54because we we had to reset time. It
1:24:56comes to you because I couldn't reset
1:24:57it.
1:25:01>> So, you'll have to reset that one.
1:25:07>> Okay. streets.
1:25:10>> Um,
1:25:11>> give me um Well, I'm going out of town.
1:25:14Can I have till next week to transfer
1:25:16the things that deal with the water
1:25:18tower over to my email
1:25:20to send a copy of it? Okay. Thank you.
1:25:25>> Um, Locust Fork and Main Street sign is
1:25:29up. I think we're still missing um the
1:25:32locus fork on mulberries and I didn't
1:25:35get a chance to drive down to to
1:25:37Commonwealth. They had come out last
1:25:39week and we're going to do it. We were
1:25:40missing some of the attachments required
1:25:43to be able to attach this.
1:25:44>> Huh.
1:25:45>> Yesterday, but stop signing
1:25:53some of the tree roots have grown
1:25:54through the holes on the sign. They
1:25:56can't get the sign out.
1:25:59even
1:26:07what they're going to address.
1:26:12>> I say I know that he told me that they
1:26:15move they were trying to move the square
1:26:18post but like I guess the ground is too
1:26:20tough to to really move it around.
1:26:24>> Did they you know if they did common
1:26:25mouth in May?
1:26:26>> They did do com. So Comos is good and
1:26:28then Locust Locust and Maine is good.
1:26:30We're just missing the one side.
1:26:32>> If they do do concrete, it's in the
1:26:34right way to state. It has to be on a
1:26:35breakaway.
1:26:37>> When they were setting the post, they
1:26:40ran into concrete.
1:26:41>> Oh, the original setting concrete. Oh my
1:26:43god.
1:26:43>> So I don't know. No, I mean when they
1:26:46were driving the the post into the
1:26:48ground because they moved the stop sign
1:26:50closer to Main Street so you have a
1:26:52little bit more visibility coming out.
1:26:53tree.
1:26:54>> They hit concrete about
1:27:02they just put it back up there where it
1:27:04was for now.
1:27:05>> Maybe they can mount the breakaway stuff
1:27:06on the concrete.
1:27:10>> There's a
1:27:12I guess it's part of the sewer
1:27:16water.
1:27:19They probably put it on that.
1:27:23That's not going to make it easier for
1:27:26visibility.
1:27:27>> No,
1:27:32>> your hand.
1:27:33>> No, I'll talk to him. Um, I did hear
1:27:35back from the state
1:27:37that they are taking responsibility for
1:27:40the ditch.
1:27:40>> Nice.
1:27:41>> So, they said that they will take care
1:27:43of it whenever they come out here again.
1:27:46But that will be something that we can
1:27:49talk about because I know we budgeted
1:27:50quite a bit of money. That's all
1:27:52>> for that. So, um
1:27:56>> are they going to trench it and then
1:27:58rock and everything?
1:27:59>> Yeah.
1:28:00>> But I wish they're going to do the cover
1:28:01part.
1:28:02>> Well, so okay. Well, and that's that's
1:28:04up for discussion again. Like I had
1:28:07gotten a quote from Hamilton and Hinkle
1:28:10and it was like six grand just to mill
1:28:12it and we black top it. Um right now the
1:28:16cover's not the problem. You're talking
1:28:19about just black ting over the co that
1:28:21space there. Jeez.
1:28:23>> Yeah, because they would have to like re
1:28:25like mill it out and then re black top
1:28:28that whole like section cuz it's tore
1:28:30up. I mean the whole end piece is is
1:28:33torn up. But um
1:28:36>> when with everybody even even Mike from
1:28:38Hamilton said that the he doesn't think
1:28:41that the pipe is the problem. He thinks
1:28:43that like it got um it's been jacked up
1:28:47by I don't know who did
1:28:50>> I
1:28:51>> but it was enough to like kind of bend
1:28:53the pipe back up. Um but it's only like
1:28:56you only had like a a foot from the pipe
1:28:59coming out to like where the ground was
1:29:02completely level with the pipe. So the
1:29:04water had nowhere to go. So, everyone
1:29:06believes that if we just dig that ditch,
1:29:09>> alleviate it,
1:29:09>> it will take care of the problem and we
1:29:12can do the cover later. I mean,
1:29:16hopefully we can budget more money to
1:29:18actually do it with like a concrete
1:29:20collar because right now I we were gonna
1:29:25I was going to have whoever like saws
1:29:27off the piece of pipe that's sticking
1:29:29out just saw like back to the actual
1:29:32road
1:29:33>> so that way people can't I mean it's not
1:29:36sticking out to drive on when people
1:29:37make that turn.
1:29:38>> Yeah. It's a tractor trailer,
1:29:40>> right? So, I figure if we can get it, I
1:29:44don't know if you've seen the culvert,
1:29:45but the pipe sticks out like I don't
1:29:47know yay far or whatever from the edge
1:29:49of the black top. So, when they take the
1:29:51wide turns, the tires are hitting that
1:29:53pipe. It's crushing it down.
1:29:55>> But me and Cody and Jer need to bend it
1:29:58the last time we had to be grind.
1:30:00>> Yeah.
1:30:01>> I don't know if I
1:30:04believe if you cut it back too far next
1:30:06to the road though, it may erode
1:30:09>> erode even more. Uh
1:30:12maybe
1:30:14if we can find some type of u a
1:30:17temporary plate, steel plate
1:30:19>> put over top of it right there that we
1:30:22could secure.
1:30:24Uh somehow it may
1:30:29survive a little bit longer until
1:30:31>> with concrete concrete
1:30:33>> cuz the one side the right side's got
1:30:35the concrete. It looks really nice. It's
1:30:37just this left side
1:30:38>> like an after
1:30:39>> that. Yeah, like that didn't get any
1:30:41protection on it. So, whatever you all
1:30:43think. I just I know that the state's
1:30:45going to take care of the dish. So, we
1:30:46>> probably the first step, let them do
1:30:48their work and then see what we got from
1:30:50there.
1:30:50>> They make a galvanized head ball. You
1:30:53could use it probably cheaper than
1:30:55concrete.
1:30:57>> Just wrap around that
1:31:00extended piece of pipe.
1:31:03>> That might work.
1:31:07>> Yeah, we can look into it. The last I've
1:31:09got is uh for the snow removal. I didn't
1:31:12realize when we um voted to have Shane
1:31:14do the snow removal last year that it
1:31:16was only one year. So, I'd asked him to
1:31:18go ahead and give me another contract
1:31:21um or like a bid for what it would be if
1:31:24we did like there's another year, two
1:31:25years, three years.
1:31:27Um, I don't know if we're we need to put
1:31:31it out to have others bid
1:31:34or if you all are okay with this and we
1:31:36continue letting him do the snow removal
1:31:41>> per removal or is it how how does it
1:31:43get?
1:31:44>> Yeah. So, it's like if he comes out and
1:31:46just salts, that's how much um he
1:31:49charges
1:31:50>> for that one pass or for that one event.
1:31:59Does
1:31:59>> that include include the cost of sauce
1:32:02or salt?
1:32:02>> Well, he so No. No.
1:32:05>> That's his
1:32:06>> because what he charged is like his rate
1:32:10because he gets it he gets the salt from
1:32:12the city
1:32:14>> and then at the end of this like the
1:32:16salting season we got a bill from the
1:32:19city for the salt.
1:32:22So it was like a couple hundred bucks or
1:32:24whatever from the city for the salt that
1:32:27we used.
1:32:28>> So we're we're purchasing the salt
1:32:31separate
1:32:32>> separate from from his services.
1:32:34>> Mhm.
1:32:36>> And
1:32:38it says here November 1st through uh
1:32:4126th through March 31st and it comes out
1:32:44snow removal salt roadways
1:32:48bad 515. Mhm.
1:32:50>> That covers that entire period.
1:32:53>> Well, I mean, it's like per time that he
1:32:55comes in.
1:32:55>> So, it's 515 per time that comes out.
1:32:57>> Yeah.
1:32:59>> Yeah. We've budgeted, I think, with 15
1:33:02for it last year and then with all of
1:33:03the snow that we got, we still came in
1:33:05thousands under.
1:33:10>> Couple things. one,
1:33:13I understand why he's saying that snow
1:33:15season, but I almost feel like that
1:33:17should just be this budget year, the
1:33:20next budget year, the next budget year
1:33:21because what if it, you know, snows
1:33:24significant enough on April the 3, he's
1:33:26going to say it's outside period and the
1:33:28price may change. I mean, I don't think
1:33:29you would. But I I like the idea of
1:33:32putting it out bid again. Do I think
1:33:33other people bid? No, because what kind
1:33:36of concerns me is the retainer fee. We
1:33:39had a past person snowplow and not only
1:33:42he charged a retainer fee but he also
1:33:45charged for us to fix his truck but the
1:33:48retainer fee in the past if they did pay
1:33:50it was for to buy bulk salt this is to
1:33:52keep people on standby so he's going to
1:33:54pay them an hourly rate to be on standby
1:33:56to come down here I don't understand
1:33:57that that and covering dedicated
1:34:00equipment that's not our job as a
1:34:01contractor he needs to cover his own
1:34:03equipment I mean that's part of getting
1:34:05a contract
1:34:07>> kind of like we talked about with Zach
1:34:08with some of the things that he was
1:34:09asking I And that's part of doing
1:34:12business. Why would we give a retainer
1:34:13to keep his equipment dedicated?
1:34:16>> Um, when we did it last year, when we
1:34:19voted on it, was there a retainer fee?
1:34:24>> I don't recall it being on there.
1:34:26>> I mean, I can send him a message and
1:34:28just ask him like if that's new and why
1:34:30and then um have him change the dates to
1:34:34July 1st to June 3rd. And I would have
1:34:37thought, you know, it says ensure
1:34:39priority service during snow events. You
1:34:42know, I don't know if y'all used the one
1:34:43we used before, but it said that we
1:34:45should be number one or two on this
1:34:46contractor's list. And and we're not
1:34:48we're not McDonald's. We're a government
1:34:50agency needing roadways for safety. So,
1:34:53>> we should have to pay
1:34:55>> by going off of actually experiencing
1:34:59him, we were a priority.
1:35:00>> Yeah.
1:35:01>> Yeah. But he's saying in this $25 to
1:35:04$300 insurance were priority.
1:35:07>> Do I think he did a great job? He did
1:35:08the best job we've had here in 20 years.
1:35:10>> Megan, how satisfied were you with this
1:35:12job? Did
1:35:13>> I was really satisfied anytime that I
1:35:15called him? Uh there was a couple of
1:35:17times that he came out and didn't charge
1:35:18us anything because like they got plowed
1:35:21um and snow got piled up in front of
1:35:23neighbors out here and he came out with
1:35:26his own uh what the mini
1:35:29>> skid steer.
1:35:29>> Yeah. that and
1:35:31>> he did a fantastic job. I would I would
1:35:34question
1:35:35>> I would question that and I would
1:35:36question the dates up here like are are
1:35:39we hardcore on these dates or
1:35:41>> Yeah. Go right back.
1:35:44>> Or is this just like because it's that's
1:35:46the snow season.
1:35:48>> Could he leave the Could he leave the
1:35:51ending date open?
1:35:52>> Yeah,
1:35:52>> I'm sure. I don't I I mean
1:35:54>> I mean if he wasn't okay
1:35:55>> he actually he when he texted me he he
1:35:58told me to let him know if it was okay
1:36:00or we you know what like what our
1:36:02thoughts were. So I'll text him whenever
1:36:04we leave and tell him like
1:36:06>> you know obviously we don't expect it to
1:36:08snow in June but you know who knows.
1:36:10>> One thing I like to point out is you got
1:36:13snow removal for for sidewalks and steps
1:36:15then you have snow removal for roadways.
1:36:17I think that he should bid the job as
1:36:19everything that he knows from the city.
1:36:21>> Yeah.
1:36:22>> What you're going What is it? What is
1:36:23it? And it's going to be this much every
1:36:25time I come out. It's not It shouldn't
1:36:26be separate that you're going to do
1:36:28sidewalking steps.
1:36:29>> I think it should be I think it'd be
1:36:31easier just to hey, it's going to be
1:36:33$1,200 every time I come out.
1:36:34>> And that's how they used to do it. They
1:36:36used to say, "Here's the road you got to
1:36:37do and the sidewalks you got to do in
1:36:39the parking lots." Right.
1:36:40>> Have we used him? Two years now.
1:36:43>> And I I agree with all of you. I thought
1:36:45he did an exceptional job and he went
1:36:47out of his way to do a lot of different
1:36:49things and probably wasn't rewarded for
1:36:51that. But
1:36:51>> how much did we Does anybody know how
1:36:53much we ended up spending on him last
1:36:55year?
1:36:55>> Total
1:36:56>> 12, was it?
1:36:59>> Like we budgeted 15, but we didn't hit
1:37:0115
1:37:02>> because I think that we came in even
1:37:04under the 10 that we budgeted this year,
1:37:07but it was cutting it because we
1:37:09budgeted 10. Like we're cutting it close
1:37:11in case for some reason it snows even
1:37:13worse.
1:37:16And my thing is is I don't like the fact
1:37:18that he's 10 inches. It costs more.
1:37:20Yeah, that that's
1:37:21>> and this may just be because he's
1:37:22getting busier. This may be a new
1:37:25>> Well, no. I mean that was the one to
1:37:27five, the six to one and the 10 plus was
1:37:29that was in it last year.
1:37:30>> Exactly.
1:37:31>> And that's because 10 plus inches is
1:37:34harder to push.
1:37:35>> Yeah, but the thing about on 10 in
1:37:36you're going to come down here before it
1:37:38gets to 10 in.
1:37:39>> Correct. And he So he won't charge 10
1:37:40inches. And that's what like so he him
1:37:43and I were in constant contact and he
1:37:44would ask, "Do you want me to come now?
1:37:46Do you want me to salt now? Do you want
1:37:47me?" Like
1:37:48>> that's his availability too, though.
1:37:50>> Well,
1:37:51>> well, I mean, he still comes out.
1:37:52>> But I mean, so if we say come out and he
1:37:55gets down here and it's dropping 3 in an
1:37:57hour and it takes two hours to get down
1:37:59here. We just we just went to 6 in like
1:38:02that.
1:38:04>> And that's the thing because that's
1:38:05variable. I mean, you could get a
1:38:06significant snow problem in that says,
1:38:08"Hey, in 5 hours you're going to have
1:38:10six inches." But it might be over 10
1:38:11hours, which that's be better for us. If
1:38:14it takes him 10 hours, he got me down
1:38:15working.
1:38:15>> I like what he did. I just
1:38:17>> I will tell you also the retainer is
1:38:19delicate. The way that he's buying salt.
1:38:21I love it. Before we They were buying
1:38:23bag salt. We had no way of keeping track
1:38:24of it. They got
1:38:26>> I hated that.
1:38:26>> I hated it too. So I like that he's
1:38:28buying salt from there. That's great.
1:38:30>> I just I think this could I think he
1:38:33could
1:38:35I don't know. I don't know what what it
1:38:36means, but I like it as a as hey, how
1:38:39much is it going to cost you to do my
1:38:41city if I call you out?
1:38:42>> Now, I tell you,
1:38:43>> well, but the only Okay, so think about
1:38:45this like whenever we had that one big
1:38:48snow, like I will say he was texting me
1:38:50before the snow came,
1:38:51>> right?
1:38:52>> So, he wanted to know if we wanted
1:38:53pre-salt
1:38:54>> and he will tell me if I he thinks that
1:38:56it's worth it.
1:38:57>> Well, he didn't even put pres.
1:38:58>> Well, I mean, put salt in the road. So
1:39:00like if you he came out.
1:39:03>> Yeah, he's very
1:39:04>> but he will also like because of that
1:39:07like okay like he's watching the radar
1:39:09and he tells me we we're expecting like
1:39:11this much. What do you want me to do?
1:39:13Like do you want me out there? And so I
1:39:16mean I
1:39:17>> it's a hard thing for a commissioner to
1:39:18decide too.
1:39:20>> Yeah,
1:39:20>> I understand that. Now with the retainer
1:39:24type of retainer I wouldn't have a
1:39:26problem with is if you tell me it's a
1:39:27retainer that is going to be a workoff
1:39:29retainer as he does one job 515 comes
1:39:31off to 2500 the next job 515 but telling
1:39:34me I'm I'm doing it to keep your labor
1:39:36ready to go and your equipment that's
1:39:38just
1:39:40>> I don't know just strikes me odd.
1:39:43>> Yeah. No, I do text.
1:39:45>> Would he be willing to do that type of
1:39:46retainer?
1:39:49>> Uh like a I mean maybe that's a a good
1:39:51question to ask him if he would be able
1:39:53to do a retainer of that like a work off
1:39:56retainer.
1:40:03>> I don't know if we put over bid we might
1:40:05get three other bids that say they do
1:40:06the exact same practice and then we got
1:40:08an answer there that that's kind of
1:40:09general practice of
1:40:11>> this type of job.
1:40:13So, I mean, I guess first things first,
1:40:15do I mean, we need to put it out. We
1:40:18need to put out that
1:40:19>> I think since it was just a one year,
1:40:22it's unfortunate. I think he did a great
1:40:23job, but there are other people that
1:40:25were doing that job and they should have
1:40:28an opportunity, too, since we didn't
1:40:29sign a three-year.
1:40:30>> And, you know, if you if you average the
1:40:32past three years, that's probably about
1:40:3516,000 a year. So, that to me says big
1:40:38because we know it's going to be expense
1:40:40over 5,000. I mean,
1:40:44No time. So, I mean, do I you want me to
1:40:47post on the the Facebook page and KFC
1:40:49post that we're looking for somebody?
1:40:51>> Yeah, I do Facebook, however you did it
1:40:53the last time. And I would put a time
1:40:55frame.
1:40:55>> That was a year ago. I don't know.
1:40:58>> You've gotten a lot better since then.
1:41:00>> I think that's what you did. I know you
1:41:02put it on I know you put it on Facebook.
1:41:04>> My thing is is I did a RFP for you,
1:41:06didn't I?
1:41:06>> I think you did. I think you already had
1:41:08one of them. So you can probably find
1:41:10that just
1:41:11>> I think the
1:41:12>> I need to go to the KC if I did if you
1:41:14do an RFP.
1:41:15>> Oh, you can just send him the
1:41:16documentation.
1:41:17>> They'll put it on
1:41:18>> and they'll put it on.
1:41:19>> Okay.
1:41:19>> I think the good news is too though,
1:41:21we're all saying we love his job. I
1:41:23mean, if we get somebody that's $10,000
1:41:25cheaper, we still
1:41:27get the contract. I mean, because we
1:41:28know his labor, we know he does a good
1:41:30job.
1:41:31>> And maybe he has some things he wants to
1:41:33address that we have concerns with.
1:41:35>> He might have reasons behind that. Yeah.
1:41:36Um, but so I'm going to ask if about the
1:41:39retainer if he's willing to do a work
1:41:41off for the retainer and then if we
1:41:43could change the dates. Was there
1:41:44something else that you all want me to
1:41:45ask?
1:41:46>> I think that was it.
1:41:48>> Sounds good.
1:41:49>> Okay, that's all.
1:41:51>> What about
1:41:53I don't know if that's how we've been in
1:41:55the past. I wasn't present for that, but
1:41:57I just
1:41:59it's a job. Hey, you have eight streets,
1:42:03six sidewalks, two churches, whatever we
1:42:06decide. I don't know.
1:42:07>> It's a known job.
1:42:09>> The same street the next time. So,
1:42:12>> yeah. I don't I'd rather have a fixed
1:42:14number than a fluctuating number.
1:42:15>> I don't know. I can't remember. But I
1:42:17feel like most of them do it this way.
1:42:20Do you remember?
1:42:21>> And it might be I
1:42:24>> I was going to say as far as I know,
1:42:25he's just like this is what I charge,
1:42:27right? Like this is how much it will be.
1:42:29voiceed the same thing.
1:42:34>> I don't remember.
1:42:36>> I think we just to clarify.
1:42:38>> What do you think, new commissioner?
1:42:42>> Uh, well, definitely
1:42:45put out. Okay. More than one. We
1:42:47definitely need more than one. That's
1:42:49it. It's one person. So, if we get
1:42:52multiple, that's fine. U
1:42:57but
1:42:59Snow is snow and it's hard to predict.
1:43:02>> It is very hard to predict, but I mean
1:43:05>> I was going to say it was my first year
1:43:07doing it dropped.
1:43:08>> Yeah. If he's going going off
1:43:121 to five, 1 to six, 10 plus. I mean,
1:43:16depends. Once again, depends if we got
1:43:18ice snow. Do we have a wet snow? Do we
1:43:21have a
1:43:22>> dry snow? There's all kinds of stuff. Uh
1:43:26I am Here's how we did it last time.
1:43:29>> Oh, yeah. I can see that.
1:43:30>> And we had every We had every street
1:43:32listed the RSP. I remember putting the
1:43:35streets and everything and steps and
1:43:38sidewalks.
1:43:39>> Aologize.
1:43:44>> I think we do a uh
1:43:48>> the ad that we posted.
1:43:51>> I think we do a two meeting cycle.
1:43:55basically give people two meetings to
1:43:58put their bid in.
1:43:59>> Oh yeah.
1:44:00>> So basically at the end of the week
1:44:01>> Well, yeah, that's perfectly fine. But
1:44:03that's why I wanted to start talking
1:44:04about it now because last time I'm
1:44:06trying to
1:44:07>> last time we wait till the snow was
1:44:09forecast. So thank you for doing this in
1:44:11September on the last one. So
1:44:13>> So we're a couple months ahead of
1:44:15schedule which is good actually.
1:44:18We don't know is it going to be El Nino
1:44:20or
1:44:21>> it might not snow at all.
1:44:25>> Elino or El Nino. We don't know which
1:44:27one we're going to get.
1:44:28>> Jesus. Are you
1:44:30>> But so we'll need to do a work off for
1:44:32the retainer. Can if you can change the
1:44:34dates to reflect the fiscal year and
1:44:37then if we can have a set price for when
1:44:39he salts.
1:44:40>> Yes.
1:44:41>> A set price because obviously salting
1:44:43the roads includes salting the
1:44:44sidewalks.
1:44:45>> Okay.
1:44:46Good deal. Sounds great. Good.
1:44:49>> Economic development.
1:44:51>> Well, you heard about the big one today.
1:44:53What's that?
1:44:54>> The brewery. Um I found out just as well
1:44:57as about everybody in Scott County did.
1:44:59Um that was just kind of announced on to
1:45:02us, which is great.
1:45:04>> So, um
1:45:04>> tell us some backtory here.
1:45:06>> I I don't have any. That's what I'm
1:45:07trying to say.
1:45:08>> I mean, how how Scott County you think
1:45:09they're all watching?
1:45:10>> It was on Facebook.
1:45:11>> Yeah, it was on Facebook.
1:45:12>> That's how I found out. And I actually
1:45:13sent it to Zack. I didn't Somebody just
1:45:17sent me a picture.
1:45:18>> The one that we just Yes.
1:45:19>> talked to earlier.
1:45:20>> Yeah. There was no pre-planning or
1:45:21nothing like that. And of course,
1:45:24>> um getting around talking to him. He got
1:45:26a whole lot of contact with Zach or
1:45:28Kevin.
1:45:29>> Are you talking about that?
1:45:30>> Yeah.
1:45:30>> Cuz somebody sent that to me while ago.
1:45:32>> I saw it this morning. That's how I
1:45:33found out about it. Um
1:45:35>> he wasn't.
1:45:37>> I like it.
1:45:38>> I I love Ideal. I just hope we can help
1:45:40him.
1:45:41>> Yeah. Well, that's
1:45:44>> so that that being said, that's why I
1:45:46wanted to know how many different being
1:45:48my first meeting, I want to know how
1:45:49many different licenses they go through.
1:45:51If there's a if there was an easier way
1:45:53to step through currently, I think
1:45:56there's only five businesses that obtain
1:45:58ABC licenses in stand.
1:46:01Now, those all are all vast. Dollar
1:46:03store, liquor store, restaurant, grocery
1:46:06store, and I think somebody has a I
1:46:08don't
1:46:10>> sampling license.
1:46:11>> Sampling. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
1:46:14>> Doug, it's very convoluted and there's
1:46:16very tons of different license types and
1:46:20>> the verbiage.
1:46:21>> Yeah. It depends on if you're a
1:46:22restaurant or if you're selling malt
1:46:24liquor, beer versus
1:46:26>> a a sampling license.
1:46:28>> Yes.
1:46:29>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's all kinds of Is
1:46:31there is there a
1:46:32>> fee a set amount that they're allowed to
1:46:36sample or what is it?
1:46:37>> There's regulations.
1:46:39>> Yep. All kinds.
1:46:40>> It usually doesn't charge them anything
1:46:42to do it.
1:46:42>> There's also various types of licenses
1:46:45that restrict how many licenses you can
1:46:47have in the city limits. So like those
1:46:50are called licenses. You can only have a
1:46:52certain amount of stores that have those
1:46:55licenses and that's based on your
1:46:57overarching population of the city. And
1:47:00that might be something we have to dig
1:47:01into,
1:47:02>> right?
1:47:02>> Like he was saying about the bar and
1:47:05like serving liquor drinks and it's like
1:47:07if we have a bar that might be a no no
1:47:10because of the quota. So
1:47:12>> you know
1:47:12>> I want if he sticks to I mean
1:47:15>> I want to help him as much.
1:47:16>> Yeah. I would love to see it come down
1:47:18here but I mean if if that's a a
1:47:20sticking point that maybe we need to
1:47:21tell him okay this is
1:47:24>> you want to have a brewery. Just
1:47:26remember it it is what he's stating
1:47:29Kentucky that it when we don't have it
1:47:31on our ordinance, we defer to them. So,
1:47:33we can go back and change our ordinance
1:47:36if it's requested to to help him. Now,
1:47:38that's the commission's decision.
1:47:40>> Yes. Right.
1:47:41>> But, but then that we can't invent a new
1:47:43license. We only do that's limit.
1:47:47>> Yeah.
1:47:47>> I was just Yeah. I mean, if if if he
1:47:51would come in and say, "Hey, I'm going
1:47:52to
1:47:55uh we're going to brew. We're going to
1:47:56have a tap room." We're not going to do
1:48:00>> uh any uh
1:48:04like better raising hard or anything
1:48:06like that,
1:48:06>> right?
1:48:07>> Uh that's a totally different.
1:48:08>> Yeah, it's a different,
1:48:11>> you know, maybe that would
1:48:13>> I'd love to see it come in here.
1:48:14>> Where you going, deputy ABC officer? To
1:48:16be honest,
1:48:18>> to be honest, we could we could make it
1:48:20work. I mean, we could make it work. And
1:48:23Kevin can recognize us what he needs for
1:48:25what he describes to Kevin. We didn't
1:48:26even heard of be getting buildings
1:48:28inspection to pass a micro brewery in a
1:48:30building like that that's in the shape
1:48:32it's in. They rehab it. I mean,
1:48:34>> I think he wants confirmation electrical
1:48:36power
1:48:37>> that we can help him and because he's
1:48:40going to have to dump a lot of money.
1:48:41>> Yeah.
1:48:41>> Yeah. I mean, if if Bourbon 30 at one
1:48:45point in time could put their right
1:48:48distillery when it was down in water
1:48:50street and Georgetown one building then
1:48:54>> he can anything could happen down.
1:48:56>> Yeah.
1:48:57>> And you go through water and sewer. I
1:48:58mean they don't have problem
1:49:01but down here
1:49:01>> I think Kevin will do his job and he's
1:49:03going to bring us something and we can
1:49:06help him or we can.
1:49:07>> Yep. Um, second thing is, uh, the clerks
1:49:11all had training last week. How did that
1:49:12go? It
1:49:13>> was great. It
1:49:14>> was awesome.
1:49:14>> Believe it was a bit of an overflow,
1:49:17Miss Peggy. But it definitely is the
1:49:18first year and it was it was really good
1:49:20though.
1:49:20>> So, the bad news is your third year.
1:49:24>> She has to go back.
1:49:26>> Yeah. I just wanted to bring everybody
1:49:28who's aware. She's like short like eight
1:49:29hours. I have to go back for
1:49:32>> I guess there's people that they let
1:49:34them slide on an hour or two hours but
1:49:36the seven hours.
1:49:38>> So
1:49:40>> that's just so everybody knows where is
1:49:42that once you
1:49:45train
1:49:46>> KMCAC
1:49:47Kentucky Municipal Association
1:49:50um they have it in a hotel in Lexington
1:49:53and they switch hotels every three
1:49:54years. So it's kind of somewhere in
1:49:57>> it's going to help them become
1:50:00>> it is an overview of pretty much
1:50:04anything especially in that three years.
1:50:06It is an overview of pretty much
1:50:08anything that a clerk in Kentucky might
1:50:10encounter. Like even one of the
1:50:12presentations I had my first year which
1:50:14was one of the most intriguing was about
1:50:16a cemetery around a cemetery. Well
1:50:18obviously we don't have one but
1:50:20>> well we don't
1:50:23close.
1:50:24Yeah,
1:50:25>> challenge accepted.
1:50:28>> But I I wanted to point out and tell you
1:50:30all thank you all for doing that. I know
1:50:31the city hall was closed and I didn't
1:50:33really hear any
1:50:35>> negative,
1:50:36>> but I had a couple people that were I
1:50:39communicated, but they were very
1:50:40patient.
1:50:41>> I know you're all going to get behind.
1:50:42And one reason I bring that up is that
1:50:44they were supposed to have their
1:50:45training for the new um system for the
1:50:49businesses license and everything that
1:50:51has now been pushed to this Friday. Um,
1:50:54if anybody would like to attend or see
1:50:56how this new eye works, she can get you
1:50:58information just to see how it works.
1:51:01Um, I think it is a Zoom.
1:51:02>> Yes.
1:51:03>> If y'all more than welcome to join in.
1:51:05It's going to make us a better ran
1:51:08organization when it comes to licensing
1:51:10and everything else. I would that's what
1:51:12they sold me on. Um,
1:51:15other than that, that's all I got.
1:51:18Business is business.
1:51:21Finance and administration 2026 June
1:51:24June 2026 finance
1:51:29>> finance administration
1:51:31>> I I do have a question I mean because
1:51:33it's what you and I have talked about
1:51:35like if I mean because I was okay with
1:51:38everything else I just like are you
1:51:42going to be able to change that or am I
1:51:44going to have to just know that that
1:51:46went somewhere else and it looks worse
1:51:48than it is? I'm hoping after a quick
1:51:50phone call to Melissa in the next day or
1:51:52two, she will just tell me how to go in
1:51:54and change the the budgeted line and
1:51:57move that and then I can reset it.
1:52:01For right now, you have to just know,
1:52:04but it can be fixed.
1:52:07>> If for some reason it can't be fixed, is
1:52:09there like some way that you can add a
1:52:11note on that month as to why I wasn't so
1:52:13negative?
1:52:14>> I owe you $20.
1:52:16Well, like because I mean we think about
1:52:19like I know why and where that money
1:52:21went for this month and why it was so
1:52:24unbalanced, but if I look at it 6 months
1:52:26down the road, I'm not going to be able
1:52:28to tell you again why.
1:52:30>> I just won't remember.
1:52:31>> Understood.
1:52:33Yeah, I'm sure the check or the details
1:52:36and you really get down into it is kind
1:52:38of
1:52:42>> I haven't fully experienced putting in a
1:52:45journal entry, but a journal entry
1:52:47basically is to say, hey, like we didn't
1:52:50actually move this or do this, but it's
1:52:53just kind of a notation on what we did.
1:52:55>> Yeah.
1:52:55>> So, that's a possibility if the first
1:52:59one can't be done. But after talking to
1:53:02Melissa a little bit, it shouldn't be an
1:53:03issue.
1:53:04>> Okay.
1:53:07>> You want to wait on that?
1:53:10>> I mean that I'm just telling you all
1:53:13that it looks
1:53:14>> I'm asking would you motion? Would you
1:53:18because if you would motion I want I
1:53:20want motion to admit because you think
1:53:22that there's a problem but I wanted to
1:53:24address.
1:53:24>> It's not that I think that there's a
1:53:26problem. It just there's a line for like
1:53:29I was talking about the street lights.
1:53:30My budget is showing on this line, but
1:53:33it shows that the money came from a line
1:53:35up here and so it looks like I didn't
1:53:38use what we budgeted for and then we
1:53:39spent eight n what however much money it
1:53:41was.
1:53:42>> My personal if you're willing to to
1:53:46want this to be moved then we should
1:53:48motion it.
1:53:49>> I think it should be done and then we
1:53:50>> should we table it.
1:53:51>> Table it. I mean, we tabled it last
1:53:53time, but
1:53:54>> when you table it again,
1:53:56>> but I mean, how many times can you table
1:53:57it before you get past?
1:53:58>> What is it again?
1:53:59>> Uh, so if you on the streets, it shows
1:54:03like my like KU flashers and street
1:54:05lights, whatever. But like I technically
1:54:07have like four lines
1:54:08>> that are like for street lights. And so
1:54:11one of the lines,
1:54:14>> it has where all that money got
1:54:15budgeted, but then the money actually
1:54:17came from two lines up here. So, it
1:54:19looks like I didn't spend the budgeted
1:54:20money and it came out of somewhere else.
1:54:23>> Just table.
1:54:24>> Yeah.
1:54:24>> Oh, table. Send the list to bring back
1:54:26the next.
1:54:26>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:54:27>> What we
1:54:28>> Yeah.
1:54:29>> I mean, we tabled it once, but let's
1:54:30table it again.
1:54:31>> Michelle thinks that she can get it
1:54:32cleared up in the next couple of days
1:54:34>> because it's just going to continue.
1:54:35Keep going on there.
1:54:37>> And we'll table it until they fix it.
1:54:40>> All right. Tabled again. Sorry.
1:54:42>> No. Sorry, Jennifer. Before we move on,
1:54:45um, Miss Peggy wanted me to let you all
1:54:47know that we did actually she found a
1:54:50uh, shredding company for $95, no
1:54:54contract, come in here one day and shred
1:54:56everything. So, it's a little a lot
1:54:57cheaper than
1:54:58>> we initially told you guys. Um, and then
1:55:02I did receive the paperwork. I believe
1:55:04the property tax rate has to be set and
1:55:07turned in by midepptember. I definitely
1:55:10need to start that date.
1:55:11>> You're supposed to Did you get it yet?
1:55:13Yes, I do have the paperwork to fill out
1:55:15to send back to the county and um
1:55:18>> because it's a state.
1:55:20>> Yeah, but did the guy his name B? I
1:55:23think
1:55:24>> he send you all the information that we
1:55:26needed to adjust the rate.
1:55:29>> Don't think I have
1:55:30>> Okay. Um could probably send you a lot
1:55:33of that stuff too for the
1:55:34>> Yeah, I'm going to have to talk I'm
1:55:35going to work in conjunction with Joe on
1:55:37that. He told I already talked to him
1:55:39and he said he'll help me. So,
1:55:42>> and they normally PPA normally has that
1:55:45hourong meeting. U
1:55:48if you guys are okay with that let Miss
1:55:50Peggy go this year. I mean
1:55:54that way it works.
1:55:58>> She likes to take
1:56:01>> she share knowledge.
1:56:02>> She likes to
1:56:03>> not to sidetrack. Did you talk to Joe or
1:56:06anything about this parking lot right
1:56:07here? Uh, I talked to him a couple weeks
1:56:10ago. He's definitely going to finish
1:56:12doing it. It just I don't know if he has
1:56:14progress, but
1:56:16>> is it something that we need to like
1:56:18address like put it time frame?
1:56:22>> It needs to get done.
1:56:23>> Yeah, I will talk to him next time.
1:56:25>> I'm not I'm not trying. I mean, it just
1:56:27he's on retire time. Well, if we don't
1:56:29force it,
1:56:31>> he told me he planned on getting it
1:56:33done. So,
1:56:34>> well,
1:56:38Miss Peggy found a bunch of stuff. I was
1:56:40just looking.
1:56:41>> I have not talked to him since she sent
1:56:42him that stuff.
1:56:44>> But I'll follow up with him.
1:56:46>> Okay. Anything else?
1:56:47>> That's all.
1:56:50>> Uh, you already talked about the awning.
1:56:52>> The AC was the u the bids for month or
1:56:56yearly.
1:57:00>> I thought we approved that, right? I
1:57:02don't think we approved you, do we?
1:57:05>> I don't think we made a motion.
1:57:07>> I don't remember making a motion. I
1:57:09think that you all said that this person
1:57:10is the cheapest, so you all were going
1:57:12to go with him. I don't know ever
1:57:14motioned on it though.
1:57:14>> I thought we were waiting on another one
1:57:16or something.
1:57:17>> I know. Zach went in. I think what
1:57:19Family Tree HBAC did, too. And then
1:57:21there was We had three, right?
1:57:23>> And then somebody was going to do it for
1:57:25like $160 a year or whatever. And you
1:57:27all were saying you wanted to go with
1:57:28that person.
1:57:29>> Well, that really wouldn't require a
1:57:30motion. just public works going to
1:57:32approve it. I mean, it's under $500.
1:57:34>> Yeah.
1:57:34>> I never saw Zach.
1:57:37>> Did you saw what?
1:57:39>> Zach sent one.
1:57:40>> Oh, I didn't know he sent one.
1:57:41>> Yeah.
1:57:41>> I didn't know it either.
1:57:43>> But I mean, in all honesty, like I know
1:57:45that his covered it was like it would be
1:57:47$50. Like every time that he came out,
1:57:49he would do the um the the maintenance
1:57:52on here at the fire department or
1:57:54whatever. But like also that he was
1:57:57willing to do like handyman stuff for
1:57:59you as well.
1:58:03>> You need somebody to put cameras up.
1:58:08>> I don't
1:58:10>> I don't know. It's whatever y'all.
1:58:15>> So who who was the
1:58:17>> I just never saw Zach. Can we table
1:58:19that?
1:58:20>> Yeah.
1:58:20>> Yeah.
1:58:21>> Can we get Zachs? How about we have all
1:58:23three of them for the next
1:58:25>> meeting?
1:58:25>> Meeting.
1:58:25>> I like it.
1:58:26>> And
1:58:27>> could you just scan them and send them
1:58:28to each other so we can look at for you
1:58:30know it?
1:58:33>> All right. Waterproof.
1:58:35>> That's
1:58:37okay.
1:58:38>> I'll call.
1:58:39>> All right. So, all of that stuff is
1:58:41correct. Uh
1:58:44code enforcement stuff. I think that
1:58:46we're tableing that too. Is that right?
1:58:50>> Do we have an application? They had
1:58:55>> I I know you just got a phone call just
1:58:58as well as I did that somebody stated
1:59:00that we already have one.
1:59:02>> She sat down.
1:59:03>> Nope.
1:59:04>> No, that apparently there's already
1:59:06another one
1:59:06>> swore in and everything
1:59:08>> this knew about.
1:59:10>> Yeah. Who
1:59:12>> uh back prior to mission I think his
1:59:14name is is it David? I don't
1:59:19>> the
1:59:21>> I thought he stepped down.
1:59:22>> Not that I'm aware of it.
1:59:24>> Well, why haven't been going meetings?
1:59:26>> Nobody's contacted.
1:59:27>> Yeah, apparently
1:59:28>> a magistrate reached out to me about it.
1:59:31>> He was appointed when I was here. That's
1:59:34that's passes five years.
1:59:35>> I I was told that. So, we need to
1:59:37investigate that.
1:59:38>> Yeah.
1:59:38>> I think it was a 5year period for code.
1:59:41>> I don't know if there's a time frame on
1:59:42them. I I don't know these things. Like
1:59:44I I don't
1:59:46>> So we need to find out more information
1:59:47about that.
1:59:49>> Well, if so, that's good.
1:59:51>> Yeah.
1:59:52>> I said you're going to color a hole in
1:59:53the table.
1:59:54>> Um so, one, we don't have anybody else.
1:59:58And two,
2:00:00>> we don't know if we have anybody.
2:00:02>> Yeah.
2:00:03>> So, we're going to table that.
2:00:05>> I think we should probably put it back
2:00:06up on Facebook.
2:00:08>> Yeah.
2:00:09>> Yeah. We never have.
2:00:10>> Well, we did it once. We didn't get no
2:00:12fights.
2:00:13>> Yeah,
2:00:14>> keep trying. I think it needs to be put
2:00:16back up. I I'll work on that on with
2:00:18about the parking for Thursday for the
2:00:20businesses.
2:00:21>> Okay.
2:00:21>> Pavilion fans.
2:00:23>> I don't know why this is on here.
2:00:25>> I don't either. I don't know if this was
2:00:27just brought on here so that we kept it.
2:00:29>> Well, I know there was a temporary fix
2:00:32and I didn't know if you all were
2:00:34discussing.
2:00:34>> We'll turn it over to Dale.
2:00:36>> Dale, the fans are yours now.
2:00:38>> They don't work.
2:00:39>> They don't work.
2:00:39>> Oh, I thought they got work. I thought
2:00:41they found a switch.
2:00:42>> No, it's not the switch.
2:00:43>> It's not the switch. The fans
2:00:45themselves.
2:00:46>> Oh, they're dead.
2:00:46>> They don't work.
2:00:47>> I'm not surprised. I mean, the fans,
2:00:50>> they're pretty bad.
2:00:50>> Well, I was going to say John's not
2:00:52here, but he brought he brought up like
2:00:54a type of fan that honestly I think
2:00:55would be a good idea like if it sits on
2:00:57the inside and on the sides and can
2:00:59circulate air versus the ones that are
2:01:01coming.
2:01:02>> They're metal.
2:01:03>> Yeah. Like because it actually has like
2:01:05a cover on the front of it. So, I mean,
2:01:07you don't have to worry about balloons
2:01:08and stuff. in their way up.
2:01:10>> Well, they sit up high though, so nobody
2:01:12could put that on the punch list to
2:01:15contact.
2:01:16>> We might have to get an electrician
2:01:17involved, too, if we do that. That's
2:01:19something to think about.
2:01:21>> But I mean, I think it would be worth it
2:01:23because the way that the fans sit right
2:01:24now, they're a liability
2:01:27>> on poles and off of it, right? Or are
2:01:31you talking about the Eve fans? It was
2:01:34like kind of like the Eve fans like he
2:01:36it was just up and on the like the side
2:01:38inside of it.
2:01:40>> And we got new information over that
2:01:42department
2:01:44was over
2:01:45>> it keeps saying one big fan
2:01:50up there.
2:01:51>> Yeah.
2:01:51>> Yeah. And they all look like the you
2:02:00>> Yeah, that's what I said. Like in your
2:02:02house like your living room.
2:02:04>> But at Buffalo,
2:02:06>> that's why I brought up big ass, right?
2:02:08But you still have to worry about the
2:02:10police.
2:02:11>> I'm going let explain this because I was
2:02:13not part of that commission. I don't
2:02:14know if you were either.
2:02:16>> The topic is moved on to the Buffalo
2:02:18Days, the poverty.
2:02:20>> Yes.
2:02:21>> Peggy has found a bunch of these and
2:02:22want to know if we can sell them at
2:02:25Buffalo Days. Is that correct?
2:02:26>> So the city sell them and not Buffalo
2:02:28Days Committee sell them because she
2:02:29said Buffalo Days Committee. So, which
2:02:31one is it?
2:02:32>> I guess the city. The city.
2:02:33>> Reason I ask is I've reached out to
2:02:36Veronica Litrol. She was with the
2:02:37washes. The last group that did Buffalo
2:02:39Days when they gave us all the
2:02:41barricades, the signs, everything that
2:02:43was in this building down here. They
2:02:44told us at that time there was a bunch
2:02:46of pottery they bought, too. And we
2:02:47couldn't find it. So, I don't know where
2:02:49this was found, but I messaged her to
2:02:52see if she can tell me if that's what it
2:02:54is. Because if it is, it's the stuff she
2:02:56told us to get to start with 15 years
2:02:58ago that we couldn't find.
2:03:00>> Um, But if not, then somebody could sell
2:03:01them. Yeah. But they were they had
2:03:03bought them the Buffalo Dashes and Baron
2:03:06Literal bought them to sell money paid
2:03:08for Buffalo
2:03:09>> and he's disappeared when we came down
2:03:11looking for everything.
2:03:13>> So I'm waiting for her to answer me
2:03:14back. So if you we can table it so I can
2:03:16get an answer from her. That's what
2:03:18>> good.
2:03:19Uh reorganized city hall layout.
2:03:22>> Looks great so far.
2:03:23>> Looks good. or
2:03:25>> well she is focused on the museum corner
2:03:29now and um I know Cody I discussed with
2:03:32you
2:03:34>> looking at
2:03:35>> dusty
2:03:36>> rearranging all that
2:03:38>> what is it redoing our museum
2:03:40>> nice
2:03:41>> the thing that she's wanting to do is
2:03:44get rid of display cases
2:03:46>> nicer
2:03:47>> um I don't know necessarily
2:03:52you know if we consolidate
2:03:53Because some of them are
2:03:56pretty empty on the inside. They're big
2:03:58for what they are.
2:04:00>> Well, and I think what she's saying is
2:04:02that you you can put things on top.
2:04:04>> Yeah.
2:04:04>> But then you've got this whole big old
2:04:05thing instead of a bunch of them.
2:04:07>> So
2:04:08>> kind of waste space there.
2:04:09>> I have a question. You all doing a great
2:04:11job with these shelves. Why can't we
2:04:14move the museum back here and utilize
2:04:15these shelves? Get some stuff out of
2:04:17these boxes. Get rid of some of these
2:04:19cabinets. But then you don't have people
2:04:21come in right there where the main
2:04:22workload's going standing around up
2:04:24there doing all that. But I mean, we
2:04:27could get probably every bit of that in
2:04:29those and just have one of those little
2:04:31museum
2:04:32>> really valuable stuff.
2:04:33>> Display cases.
2:04:34>> Yeah. Really valuable standard display.
2:04:36I I don't know where the display cases
2:04:38come from. And
2:04:39>> some of some of those at least a couple
2:04:41one or two of those display cases
2:04:43themselves I think are really old.
2:04:46>> I I I don't know the history and that's
2:04:47why I'm scared to talk about it. gas
2:04:49chains. I think one or two of them may
2:04:52came from the museum. They gave it to us
2:04:53at one time.
2:04:54>> And I think that Miss Peggy is even
2:04:56reached out. It's like, "Hey, if we
2:04:58clean these out, would you want these
2:04:59back or something like that?" And I I
2:05:01told her I said, "We need to talk about
2:05:03before we do any of that."
2:05:04>> Yeah, I think we probably need and I
2:05:06think that's probably a bigger talk than
2:05:08just a couple people.
2:05:11I don't want to disrupt anything
2:05:14>> that's going to upset anybody because
2:05:16that is the only small
2:05:18>> Yeah.
2:05:19>> I think you have a lot of people in
2:05:21Stamping Ground that have a a pretty big
2:05:23connection to to that very small corner.
2:05:27>> Um
2:05:28>> and I
2:05:30am I wrong?
2:05:31>> No, no, I agree. I tell you one thing
2:05:32that I wish we would pursue. It's been
2:05:34talked about a lot of people in the
2:05:35past.
2:05:37>> Oh, doctor's office. Make it a true
2:05:39museum. Well, you got to clean that out.
2:05:42>> Clean it out. Get all this stuff in
2:05:43there. You can put electric lock in it
2:05:45and put a sign. If somebody during the
2:05:46day wants to see it, they come here and
2:05:47the clerk can log in on the phone to
2:05:49unlock it
2:05:50>> and have a camera in there so you can
2:05:52view everything.
2:05:53>> But it'd be cute to have a museum, a
2:05:55true museum, and take it out of the
2:05:57professional space.
2:05:58>> I disagree.
2:05:59>> What about the um fire department
2:06:01building or
2:06:02>> I I thought we put a glass door
2:06:03>> that's going to need a roofer. So I
2:06:05thought we put a glass door garage door
2:06:06so they can light up the fire truck
2:06:08since it won't move
2:06:11>> and then the jail becomes
2:06:13>> museum. But you know that's grants.
2:06:16That's
2:06:17>> Hey, you're over that now.
2:06:19>> Yeah.
2:06:19>> Well, the little doctor's office, it's
2:06:21ready to go on it,
2:06:23>> which like I said, it's full of junk. We
2:06:25used it for
2:06:26>> Yeah, we need to have a surplus too.
2:06:28>> Yeah,
2:06:29>> we we probably did need to focus on that
2:06:32eventually. I mean, in all honesty, it
2:06:34wouldn't it wouldn't hurt if we I mean,
2:06:37we're not discussing anything, but if we
2:06:39went out there and went through it and
2:06:40organized it because I know that the box
2:06:42has gotten organized, but since then,
2:06:43it's just been stuff shoved in there.
2:06:45>> And I mean, like I said, I opened a box
2:06:50the other day and had a brown clue.
2:06:53>> Hard no for me.
2:06:55>> And that just tells you we got too much
2:06:56stuff in it. They've got a place to live
2:06:58and breathe. I think maybe we should by
2:07:01ordinance put in something an exact
2:07:03right where we go by September 12th
2:07:05every year you are to put your surplus
2:07:10out for sale.
2:07:12So that makes every commission from here
2:07:14on out have to to do that
2:07:16>> and that's actually a function of the
2:07:18city that can be misal.
2:07:19>> Yeah.
2:07:21>> It's just an opinion. That way we have
2:07:23to address it going forward. So people
2:07:25just can't put stuff down there and then
2:07:26go no longer on commission. Not my
2:07:28problem.
2:07:29>> Yeah.
2:07:31>> You should have a yearly surplus.
2:07:34>> Yes. Now when maybe we should do that
2:07:36around July. I don't know when when that
2:07:38day is. I don't know
2:07:40>> because our budget starts over then too
2:07:42like you know out with the old in with
2:07:44the new.
2:07:47>> It's just the topic. We don't have to
2:07:49decide today.
2:07:50>> Yeah. You could you could uh
2:07:54put it out in June that it's going on in
2:07:57the first July and then you have
2:07:59>> your bids all your bids all in by July
2:08:03whatever one
2:08:05>> and then uh
2:08:06>> come get your stuff. Well, one of the
2:08:07issues that we've got is all of the
2:08:09documents that are in there. And I know
2:08:10that Joe said that he wants to take a
2:08:12look at them, but the longer that we
2:08:13wait, the longer that they sit there.
2:08:15>> Joe and I had on the calendar to be here
2:08:18this Saturday on the two days ago to be
2:08:24here and I texted him on Saturday
2:08:25morning.
2:08:26>> Does anybody else not have a problem
2:08:27with that?
2:08:28>> Which way?
2:08:29>> Joe coming down here looking through
2:08:31documents.
2:08:33>> I think it's been here. My thing is and
2:08:36what catches me off guard is that he's
2:08:38been doing it for 30 years and never
2:08:40volunteered one day before that and now
2:08:44he's no longer on here and he wants to
2:08:46go through it. I
2:08:49>> you missed the whole thing of what he
2:08:50just said. There you go.
2:08:53>> Yeah. I I just find it weird to me.
2:08:56>> I think I don't think that he's got
2:08:59I think he's his motives are to help me.
2:09:03>> That's fine. I think he wants to have
2:09:05fun.
2:09:05>> But I mean, but I mean, even if like you
2:09:08started going through it yourself and
2:09:10you could just like you could decide. I
2:09:12need you to like and maybe take it to
2:09:14him.
2:09:15>> I'm just trying to think because it's
2:09:17like we've been we've been talking about
2:09:18this and there's like there's honestly
2:09:20no room in there.
2:09:21>> It it's trying to move around like
2:09:23you're tripping over boxes and then you
2:09:25get it organized and then something else
2:09:27like comes in. And I know part of it has
2:09:29been me with like posts and street
2:09:31signs. There's a bunch of U channel
2:09:33posts that we didn't return whenever I
2:09:36we decided to go with the square post
2:09:38because we going to try to utilize them
2:09:40in other areas, but there's nowhere else
2:09:42for the stuff to go and and where those
2:09:45could lay somewhere else like they have
2:09:48to kind of lay sticking out
2:09:52>> because the everything on the metal
2:09:54racks is taking the
2:09:56>> solution to that is talking about
2:09:58auction surpluses always a surplus. You
2:10:01always see the short containers and
2:10:04we've got property up there behind the
2:10:05training center, a pulloff area that
2:10:07nothing's in it. We could put a short
2:10:09container up there and hard stuff like
2:10:11that like signs and things like that we
2:10:12could store up there.
2:10:14>> I thought you were going to say put
2:10:15those documents. I was like that.
2:10:16>> No. Well, I mean
2:10:19it just being out of sight, out of mind
2:10:20though.
2:10:21>> Yeah. No, I was just talking about the
2:10:22hard things to get.
2:10:22>> I think eventually Yeah. I think it'd be
2:10:25out of sight and out of the mind and
2:10:26it's going to get build up again unless
2:10:28we put an orbit out.
2:10:31I do like Joe, Zack, somebody who been
2:10:34there because there's a lot of things
2:10:35that can be historical that
2:10:37>> they need for future litigation or
2:10:39things like look the whole thing about
2:10:41here luckily found a magic letter that
2:10:43we never knew existed. I mean
2:10:44>> he just he's also he's not
2:10:48>> necessarily on the city's payroll
2:10:49anymore. That's
2:10:51>> he's still
2:10:53think he's got some things he's got to
2:10:54clean up.
2:10:55>> Well, that's but
2:10:58>> I don't know. I to me it seems like he's
2:11:02fully fully intend on doing it. I'll
2:11:04have to follow up with him and make
2:11:06sure. But I mean I asked him
2:11:08specifically that question at dinner was
2:11:10is this back lot something that you feel
2:11:12comfortable finishing and he was like
2:11:14yeah. So
2:11:15>> okay cuz
2:11:16>> So what happened on Saturday?
2:11:18>> I don't know.
2:11:20>> So you he never answered you?
2:11:21>> No, he answered. He just said he had
2:11:22forgotten.
2:11:23>> I said are we are we supposed to be down
2:11:25are we going to be down there at 10
2:11:26a.m.? He was like, I had forgotten about
2:11:28that. So,
2:11:30>> I mean, I can get it back on the
2:11:31schedule. I mean,
2:11:34>> let me ask you this.
2:11:36>> I don't think it's like should be there
2:11:39when they
2:11:41>> No, I I I don't know what the correct
2:11:44answer is. It just catches me off guard.
2:11:46It's just a
2:11:47>> It doesn't me because Joe's on the
2:11:49museum board of Midway. I mean, he he
2:11:51likes history. He likes
2:11:54>> um making sure things are preserved. I
2:11:56mean, as long as that's
2:11:59>> Yeah. And Zach's going to be there. He's
2:12:00not going to walk off with anything.
2:12:03>> Oh, well, I was going to say, but I
2:12:04mean, my
2:12:06my thing is just getting actually.
2:12:10>> Yeah. Like one one foot in front of the
2:12:12other, like at least get it started,
2:12:15>> whether it be like Peggy is going
2:12:17through it because I mean, she has all
2:12:19of the the account receivables or
2:12:20whatever that could be shredded. really
2:12:22kind of think we need to get through
2:12:23that storage room so that if we want to
2:12:26throw a permanent files knife in it or
2:12:27whatever, we can kind of get that part
2:12:29organized so that if there is anything
2:12:32down there that needs to come out here,
2:12:33we have somewhere close.
2:12:34>> Maybe instead of doing the the the
2:12:36corner, as much as I'd like to see it
2:12:38done, and I'm not opposed to Dale, like
2:12:40what Dale said, put it up on the shelves
2:12:42and maybe realize that we don't need two
2:12:44of these out here. that might be a huge
2:12:47improvement, but also that back room you
2:12:50bring up a valid point.
2:12:53>> I I'm not I'm not saying that I don't
2:12:55want Joe to do it. It's just it just
2:12:57seems catches me oddly and and you know,
2:13:01he may be in the history. I don't know,
2:13:03Joe. And that's that's fine. As long as
2:13:06I I just think somebody from the city,
2:13:09whether it be somebody we trust as Zach
2:13:11or Peggy or Michelle or whoever.
2:13:14>> There's there's kind of one thing about
2:13:16this vein of talk. We've already agreed
2:13:18to keep him on as a consultant and do
2:13:19extra work. So, we don't
2:13:20>> trust him or do trust him.
2:13:22>> We did not approve that.
2:13:23>> We cut that out of the budget.
2:13:25>> Yes, we did.
2:13:26>> I thought we still asked him if he would
2:13:28come do things if we needed and he said
2:13:29yes.
2:13:30>> Yeah. He told us to take him off of the
2:13:32table.
2:13:33>> Yeah, he's on table.
2:13:35It's uh kind of like we all vote.
2:13:37>> I don't think he was expecting to get
2:13:39paid to do the cleaning out the
2:13:43>> No, I don't think so for what he's
2:13:45saying. He said take
2:13:48>> to me if they want to go through it and
2:13:50break it down into like here's a stack
2:13:53of 100 legal documents. Now you and Joe
2:13:56go through those
2:13:57>> that's fine. I mean,
2:13:59>> it's all packed boxes of PS.
2:14:01>> I got
2:14:03stuff that we are the record keeper of.
2:14:05>> I guess the question I have is
2:14:09if it's really there might be stuff out
2:14:10there clerk needs in here, why did it go
2:14:12out there? Because when we had the guy
2:14:14come start spraying, we took everything
2:14:16out of there except for the women's club
2:14:18cabinet. So, why is stuff still being
2:14:20shoved out there without knowing you're
2:14:22shoving good stuff out there or bad
2:14:24stuff or important? It should never go
2:14:26out of this room until it's verified.
2:14:28It's not needed in this room.
2:14:30>> But who would know the answer to that
2:14:31question?
2:14:32>> Clerks.
2:14:34>> Now we're hearing there might be some
2:14:36out there. Shouldn't everyone out here?
2:14:37>> There are desktop computers. There's at
2:14:39least two out there.
2:14:41>> There's there's things that were put out
2:14:43there before. Rita
2:14:44>> printer.
2:14:45>> Um,
2:14:45>> and here's here's another thing. If
2:14:47printers and desktops, they shouldn't
2:14:48have gone out there. We should have
2:14:49surplus before they went out this
2:14:50building. especially with car got all
2:14:53the information
2:14:55um about three years ago but we don't
2:14:58usually have a lot of stuff because like
2:15:00the printers there was a surplus I think
2:15:02if it's beyond its usual life then you
2:15:04can just throw it away right so a lot of
2:15:06things like that we shouldn't be packing
2:15:08it out the building if that's part of it
2:15:09we should throw it away
2:15:12the trash can
2:15:15I'm not opposed of what you just stated
2:15:18maybe separate legal two payables maybe
2:15:20when it cools off outside
2:15:23>> cuz there's no heat and air out there
2:15:25>> after it's been sprayed again.
2:15:26>> Yeah, maybe after it sprays again, cool
2:15:28off a little bit cuz I that's the last
2:15:30thing I want you all out there doing is
2:15:33>> being a good workers comp clean
2:15:40my P. It's hot.
2:15:47>> I will recognize city layout though. It
2:15:49looks good. Looks awesome.
2:15:54>> What is the commission's ruling on that?
2:15:57Because I know Peggy's gonna ask
2:16:00>> what shall we do with
2:16:02>> She also wanted me to ask you all about
2:16:04the bench. I know it was mentioned to
2:16:06possibly put it in the pavilion, but she
2:16:09wanted me to ask.
2:16:10>> I thought that's what we said to do with
2:16:12it.
2:16:12>> No, we didn't.
2:16:13>> Did all doors open on the pavilion?
2:16:17>> I mean, for now, maybe just a quick You
2:16:20put out the fire on the back side. It's
2:16:22to dry back there on the back side.
2:16:26>> Why does it need to leave?
2:16:27>> Is there an apron?
2:16:28>> That's what my question. It's been asked
2:16:30three times.
2:16:31>> It's perfect for overflow seating. And
2:16:33>> I I do like it there.
2:16:34>> I like it there.
2:16:35>> It does hit the door when you open it.
2:16:37>> I don't think the bench needs to go
2:16:38anywhere.
2:16:39>> Maybe we can move move that one case
2:16:42down and move it over so it doesn't hit
2:16:43the door when you open it. But other
2:16:44than that,
2:16:45>> I think it's good.
2:16:46>> I agree with you, Jim. I think it's good
2:16:48seating and I think it is um it's
2:16:50historical.
2:16:52>> I don't think it needs to go anywhere.
2:16:54>> Second.
2:16:57>> Anybody want to make a ruling on what
2:16:58cabinets we keep?
2:16:59>> Thank you, Chief.
2:17:00>> I think we keep the historical ones for
2:17:02now.
2:17:03>> Well, that's hard to say in my opinion.
2:17:05I don't
2:17:05>> I don't I don't think that this is just
2:17:08my personal opinion. I think that that I
2:17:11think that that that corner over there
2:17:12is a real touchy subject to a whole lot
2:17:14of people in this town. And I think that
2:17:17probably
2:17:18>> if we were to just like you all were
2:17:19saying a second ago and move some of the
2:17:21stuff like none of it goes away.
2:17:23>> Yeah.
2:17:23>> But if if we like you all said
2:17:25consolidate it maybe this one that
2:17:27sticks out. You know what I'm saying? Or
2:17:29just one of them we can trade out and
2:17:31then it pretty much lines the wall but
2:17:33still creates a barrier for Peggy's
2:17:34death.
2:17:35>> Yeah.
2:17:36>> I mean I like I think that that would
2:17:37just that
2:17:39>> one going would open the room up.
2:17:42>> Yeah. Well, and I think, you know, it it
2:17:44kind of got started with you and her
2:17:45talking about opening up the room and
2:17:47and things like that. And she I really
2:17:48think that's the main goal she is. She
2:17:51is. If I were
2:17:52>> the one closest to here is that's not
2:17:54his story.
2:17:55>> No.
2:17:56>> If I were going to get rid of one, I
2:17:57would probably get rid of that one.
2:17:59>> Absolutely. and try to condense the
2:18:00stuff that's in that one into
2:18:06>> as far as like basically
2:18:08>> she can go ahead and start cleaning that
2:18:10one out and then we'll kind of
2:18:11consolidate it. Yes,
2:18:13>> I guess. Yeah.
2:18:14>> And
2:18:14>> but I would not get rid of
2:18:17>> Yeah. No,
2:18:19>> make that clear.
2:18:21>> I would not get rid of anything. I'm
2:18:23being Michelle. I'm being serious. I
2:18:25would make it abundantly clear that is
2:18:27going to be a sensitive subject to so
2:18:29many people in this town. I would not
2:18:31get rid of anything.
2:18:32>> Do not shred the display cabinet.
2:18:34>> Do not shred Do not shred the display
2:18:37cabinet or anything in it.
2:18:39>> And we might be able to pull that other
2:18:40one out and put it more over here. And
2:18:43her desk's got
2:18:45>> possibly. Yeah.
2:18:45>> You know, she has that display cabinet
2:18:48as her backside of the
2:18:49>> If we're talking layout though, um
2:18:52>> what do you know about? Well, I know a
2:18:54lot of fun.
2:18:55>> What you doing? Go ahead and tell us. I
2:18:57can't wait. I can't wait to hear this.
2:18:59>> These tables right here that we're
2:19:01sitting at currently.
2:19:02>> Yeah.
2:19:03>> Is that considered part of your land?
2:19:05>> Yes.
2:19:06>> All right. Then we got to do something.
2:19:08We got to do something cuz every time
2:19:10somebody down there talks, I'm staring
2:19:12directly into Megan's ear.
2:19:14>> Well, we don't have the way.
2:19:17>> We don't have a We don't have a U-shaped
2:19:19table.
2:19:19>> Well, then we need to figure out
2:19:21something. We could this I think this
2:19:23made by KCI. We could see if they could
2:19:25make something to put these two like
2:19:27Doug in.
2:19:28>> Well, no. I mean if I don't really want
2:19:31to look at you.
2:19:31>> Well, you're going to
2:19:34such.
2:19:35>> Your ear is not as clean.
2:19:38>> Hey, I showered before I got here today.
2:19:41But no, I mean I understand
2:19:44>> it does make it makes it a little more
2:19:46difficult and and and
2:19:49>> it's easier for
2:19:50>> this is not fiscal horror
2:19:51>> all of us to get involved in what's
2:19:53going on if we can actually see what's
2:19:56going on. Oh yeah. If you're going to
2:19:58say no, I want you to look me in the eye
2:19:59and say no.
2:20:02I mean, what if we shifted that down and
2:20:04this
2:20:06so that like it just kind of flows like
2:20:09you all would be sitting up just a
2:20:10little bit further.
2:20:13>> I don't know. I would
2:20:14>> We're trying to keep
2:20:15>> see like right now I'm trying to sit as
2:20:17I
2:20:18>> know. I just want to respectfully say I
2:20:20liked where I was and I don't like this.
2:20:23This is not funuating for me.
2:20:25>> Yeah, I understand.
2:20:26>> No, but I kind of want you to have
2:20:28>> like we got all these comput talk to
2:20:30you, but it's it is there's a lot going
2:20:32on here.
2:20:33>> Well, I mean,
2:20:34>> I don't know. Maybe it's this this is
2:20:37messing the funu.
2:20:40I mean, we'll make it work.
2:20:42>> I don't know.
2:20:45my first
2:20:49>> I mean there's enough
2:20:54>> I mean there's like a to see and be part
2:20:59of it and
2:21:02>> yeah and this is
2:21:03>> talking about it
2:21:04>> so I'm going to
2:21:05>> you know JR
2:21:06>> I got two and a half years this I'm
2:21:07going to drive my
2:21:08>> you know JR supposedly he's got a bunch
2:21:10of surplus
2:21:11>> he
2:21:12>> oh is not But I thought I think I
2:21:15thought the problem that we were having
2:21:16though is that we didn't want to get rid
2:21:18of this desk because it
2:21:20>> it was just
2:21:22>> because of the story.
2:21:23>> Yeah. And that's why it sits there.
2:21:25>> I I don't know. I don't know much about
2:21:27that desk.
2:21:28>> Come out of the bank supposedly. I guess
2:21:30>> I like it that desk better than the
2:21:33press woods thing that sit there for the
2:21:34past year and a half.
2:21:36>> I I agree.
2:21:38I can't get my feet under.
2:21:41>> Yeah. I wonder if it was on risers or
2:21:42legs cuz it it's kind of a awkward
2:21:45height.
2:21:45>> There's this one little spot right here
2:21:47>> that you can fit
2:21:48>> where you can put your feet under.
2:21:50>> That's weird.
2:21:51>> But it's got all
2:21:51>> I bet it used to
2:21:53>> Yeah, I bet you're right. I bet
2:22:00>> I also want to point out that I had made
2:22:03this suggestion that Peggy needs to move
2:22:05her screens to the other side.
2:22:08for information or get glares where you
2:22:10can't
2:22:10>> and if that happens then we can utilize
2:22:13either the Michelle or
2:22:15>> well yeah I mean I could sit over
2:22:16>> being at that desk or and you can have
2:22:18this whole desk to yourself
2:22:19>> or I'll just sit over there just
2:22:22too
2:22:24>> and I'll tell you another reason maybe
2:22:26to just think about bringing the museum
2:22:28here and that back there whoever's
2:22:30sitting here next year I mean the people
2:22:33that were sitting there I couldn't see
2:22:34them that means they couldn't see the
2:22:35commissioner So whoever's here in that
2:22:37audience is not seeing whoever's going
2:22:39to be here next year. I mean
2:22:40>> I like it. I like the I like what is
2:22:44happening.
2:22:45>> Just the fun is not there yet
2:22:48to sit there.
2:22:49>> Yeah. And she's still working on I know
2:22:50that. And you know when we hired her
2:22:52that's one of the big things we need
2:22:53this place cleaned up and by God she's
2:22:55holding true to it. So
2:22:58about the about the stuff over here is
2:23:01and this is just a question. Okay, but
2:23:03can we condense some of the stuff on the
2:23:07shelves?
2:23:09>> Like my head down
2:23:11>> like
2:23:12>> Yeah,
2:23:12>> there's a lot of empty shelves.
2:23:13>> Tons of empty shelves.
2:23:14>> So I mean I don't know if you have plans
2:23:17for these empty shelves, but can we can
2:23:20we condense
2:23:22some of the shelving?
2:23:25her her desk is over there. I do want to
2:23:27keep a couple of those. I know she's got
2:23:29some of her desk stuff on the on the
2:23:31shelves. You can use that, you know. So,
2:23:33>> okay. But no, I don't
2:23:35>> but I mean, we don't need a lot of the
2:23:37empty shelves. What I'm saying is like
2:23:39there's a whole lot of emptiness over
2:23:41there and can
2:23:43be planning to put some of that over
2:23:46here.
2:23:46>> We don't need chachki everywhere though
2:23:48is what I'm saying. So, like instead of
2:23:50having chachkis everywhere, can we can
2:23:53we
2:23:54>> absorb some of that stuff down here? And
2:23:56maybe maybe we don't need so many
2:23:58shelves everywhere.
2:23:59>> Something like that.
2:24:00>> Maybe we don't need so so many shelves
2:24:02everywhere. And then maybe we have more
2:24:03wall space.
2:24:04>> Yep.
2:24:05>> And then maybe we don't need like a
2:24:07U-shape of
2:24:10>> You see what I'm saying? So maybe then
2:24:12we have more wall more wall space.
2:24:15>> It's just a thought. I also think that
2:24:17this current scenario over there with
2:24:19that desk looks pretty bad.
2:24:21>> I think you're going to come down one
2:24:23day really really soon and help me move
2:24:25that if I don't get too hard to do it
2:24:27myself.
2:24:28>> Move which one?
2:24:29>> Because I hate how my desk
2:24:31>> Yeah.
2:24:32>> My thing was
2:24:34>> You didn't buy it. Peggy bought that
2:24:36one. I mean, you know, we put Peggy up
2:24:38front to learn it and now she's sitting
2:24:41back here.
2:24:41>> Yeah. Why?
2:24:43>> Well, you know what?
2:24:44>> What? Why she sit back here? that before
2:24:47I was on the commission, I was at a
2:24:48meeting and it was determined by the
2:24:50commission that they needed to be
2:24:52>> separated.
2:24:53>> Separated.
2:24:53>> Yeah, I like that. I do like that.
2:24:56>> Um,
2:24:57>> so what you're saying about the shelves,
2:25:01and I don't think you all do, but I hate
2:25:02seeing things like this because people
2:25:03roll their eyes, but as somebody that
2:25:05has to use a wheelchair 50% of the time,
2:25:08>> it's already enough to try and get in
2:25:09that door. If I came in, I would love to
2:25:11see the museum, but I'm not going to try
2:25:13to get a wheelchair back.
2:25:13>> Well, that's Yeah. here. I could come
2:25:15down through here and I can go down
2:25:17through there and I would have to worry
2:25:18about there's two or three people with
2:25:19me. They're in there and I can't get in
2:25:20there as a handicap person.
2:25:22>> Do we move the shelving down?
2:25:23>> That's
2:25:24>> Oh, I don't know. It's bolted in the
2:25:26wall, I think.
2:25:26>> Well, I mean, takes crews out and move
2:25:29it down. That's That's not a big deal.
2:25:30>> Literally, it would fit. Yeah, it's cut
2:25:33out for the windows.
2:25:35>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Perfectly.
2:25:37>> Well, I mean,
2:25:39>> I think that you could get a lot more on
2:25:42those shelves than you have in those
2:25:44Because if you move that shelf in, it's
2:25:45going to open up 20 square feet just for
2:25:48the shelf.
2:25:49>> Yeah.
2:25:52>> And then she can push her desk back even
2:25:53farther. Another foot.
2:25:55>> Mhm.
2:25:56>> Well, I think that's one of our main
2:25:57goals, too, is to say, "Hey, those
2:26:00shelves in that corner, that's that's
2:26:02free for the public to go through
2:26:04>> and make sure that it's not intermingled
2:26:06with any
2:26:08>> business." Yeah.
2:26:09>> Yes.
2:26:10>> Yes.
2:26:10>> At all. one side one side business and
2:26:13the other side public can walk how they
2:26:15want. Yeah.
2:26:16>> And I think if you leave the shelf back
2:26:18here they might attempt or antagonize
2:26:21people to come back here and get behind
2:26:23you.
2:26:24>> So maybe that one becomes
2:26:27office things and we're going to do that
2:26:29how we need to.
2:26:30>> I think we need to maybe this one. I
2:26:32think you can move this right here down
2:26:35to there
2:26:36>> down to there
2:26:36>> and you can take that
2:26:41>> you can move those over here. I mean you
2:26:43can you can see the where it's screwed
2:26:45into. It's not like it's going to be a
2:26:48>> rebuild, you know, the Taj Mahal or
2:26:50anything.
2:26:52>> I think that'd be great. Well, I don't
2:26:54know if we need to remove them all.
2:26:56>> Well, no, you don't have to remove them
2:26:57all, but I mean you can see it's two
2:26:58separate units right there.
2:26:59>> Right. What I'm saying is that literally
2:27:02that one over there is the same as this
2:27:03one over here.
2:27:04>> Yeah.
2:27:05>> So really you would just move on.
2:27:07>> Yeah.
2:27:07>> Well, the only difference is it's cut
2:27:09out.
2:27:10>> Yeah. That one's just a smaller cut.
2:27:13>> I I'm I'm overthinking it. I just I
2:27:16believe you are.
2:27:17>> I like it. I like what she's doing. Keep
2:27:19up the hard work. I know it's
2:27:22I don't know if everybody else
2:27:23appreciates it, but I
2:27:24>> No, I appreciate it. I appreciate it a
2:27:27lot.
2:27:30Yeah, if she has any questions, call.
2:27:34>> Okay,
2:27:35>> I appreciate that. I don't know if you
2:27:36all tell the way I breathe.
2:27:39It's so much better. I don't feel like
2:27:41I'm getting choked by dust when I walk
2:27:43in here. I don't know if that's just
2:27:44from cleaning the shelves or what, but
2:27:47>> I think if we get extra money, we need
2:27:50to look at a a better desk and get rid
2:27:52of that stuff up there.
2:27:53>> Yes.
2:27:54>> Something that is quality,
2:27:56>> something well built, going to last. I
2:27:58know.
2:27:59>> I mean, yeah, I agree.
2:28:01>> But we end up reimbursing for that,
2:28:02right? You really get it, right?
2:28:06>> Yes.
2:28:07>> But
2:28:08>> yeah,
2:28:09>> I I think we need to address that. And
2:28:13that's unfortunate that it's like that
2:28:15right now, but it is what it is.
2:28:17>> I'm sorry for work like that.
2:28:19>> Well, I I'm going to get it fixed. It's
2:28:21where it's
2:28:23>> I told her I said I told her I said why
2:28:25would you block your point to get to the
2:28:27files
2:28:30>> honestly the true layout I like I think
2:28:32it was Jennifer that said it start with
2:28:35true layout I like is forward facing
2:28:37clerks with a dividing wall for their
2:28:39safety and security
2:28:41>> and put all the that way they don't come
2:28:43back here at all the public goes up
2:28:45there but your clerks are protected here
2:28:47it's got a wall between them and whoever
2:28:49comes in the for cuz we know there's
2:28:51been instances of people coming in here
2:28:53and harassing the clerks.
2:28:55>> So I don't think he does anymore. Does
2:28:56he Michelle?
2:28:58>> Good. I want to say if we move her back
2:29:00here though. You talk about
2:29:01>> No, not back here. Just put a wall. Put
2:29:03them facing the wall up there kind of
2:29:05like
2:29:07the clerk.
2:29:11>> He's got the window.
2:29:12>> I like him being separate though. I
2:29:14think he
2:29:18>> just got to punctuate.
2:29:21Motion to
2:29:22>> second.
2:29:23>> Third.
2:29:24>> All those in favor?
2:29:27>> First.
2:29:29>> All right.
2:29:34>> Yours
2:29:37>> that was sitting at my
2:29:40>> bunch of parking stuff. So
2:29:44to it. He said he had looked at it was
2:29:46like the
2:29:48over the steel last
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