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0:00There is a call, there is a need to
0:01stand for what's true, good, just, and
0:03righteous. And then it's not about
0:05hating Muslims. It's actually addressing
0:07the truth and dealing with Islam for
0:09what it is.
0:14>> Now, our next topic, and this is in
0:16classic Think Summit form, we're moving
0:18from play to Islam.
0:21Okay?
0:23And
0:24what I love is learning from you what
0:26your thoughts are about particular
0:27topics right now as you come into the
0:29room. And one of the questions we ask
0:31you was this, what is your predominant
0:32feeling that you have about the growing
0:35Muslim population in the US? And you can
0:37see what your thoughts were. 11% of you
0:39are composed, 58% concerned, 31% of you
0:43are indifferent.
0:45You know, we want to address this topic
0:47because when you look at it now, Muslims
0:49now account for 25.6%
0:51of the global population. It's growing
0:53fast due to younger average ages and
0:55higher birth rates. But check this out,
0:58this rate, it's called the rate of a
1:00session or entrance rate into Islam in
1:03the US.
1:041/5 of Muslim Americans say they were
1:06raised outside of Islam. Most of them
1:09say they were raised as Christians, 13%
1:11of them.
1:12And they've converted to Islam. And so
1:14Islam is something we hear about the
1:16news headlines, we hear some of the fear
1:18about what's happening in the UK and and
1:20the ways in which Islam is moving into
1:22cultures, but we want to be smart, we
1:23want to understand. And so we went and
1:25got the expert on Islam.
1:28Raymond Ibrahim, he's the author of the
1:30book The Two Swords of Christ. But he's
1:32one of today's most outspoken
1:34authorities in Islamic history,
1:35doctrine, and conflict. He's a fellow at
1:37the Danube Institute, and for nearly 25
1:40years his scholarship and his commentary
1:42have challenged mainstream narratives
1:44and exposed different truths about Islam
1:46and the West that very few dare to speak
1:49of. And so I want you to join me in
1:51welcoming to the Think Stage Raymond
1:53Ibrahim.
1:55>> [applause]
1:58>> Thanks a lot.
1:59Thank you.
2:01Well, hello everyone. This is quite the
2:02august assembly. Uh
2:05thanks for having me. And as you heard
2:06Gabe say uh
2:08we're talking about that fun topic,
2:09Islam.
2:11And I'm trying to uh digest it very
2:13quickly cuz this is a 14th century old
2:16topic. And and so I've decided to try to
2:18give you the actual most important um
2:21most helpful aspects for you to
2:23understand it uh both in general as
2:26Americans and in particular as
2:28Christians.
2:30And I actually, as I was listening to
2:31Gabe, the THINK acronym is really very
2:34helpful in this particular case. And so
2:37I'm going to uh follow it closely, and I
2:39think it'll be very helpful. So we'll
2:41start off with theology.
2:43Bear in mind though, we're not talking
2:44about your God's theology, but Allah's
2:47theology, because this is what we need
2:48to understand to understand this
2:50particular religion, as it's called,
2:52Islam.
2:54And rather than try to detail the entire
2:56religion for you, obviously this is uh
2:58beyond the purview of this um particular
3:00talk,
3:01due to time constraints. I'm going to
3:03try to first off digest and and explain
3:06to you what makes it problematic. I'm
3:08going to adopt the most liberal point of
3:10view, which is live and let live, okay?
3:12Muslims, they believe what they believe,
3:13they live in their countries, they do
3:15what they want to do.
3:16Let's say that's fine. So what's the
3:18problem? Well, the problem is when they
3:20have something in store for the other,
3:22the infidel, you, okay? Including
3:25Christians. So I'm going to try to
3:27really look at that. And a long time
3:29ago,
3:31I basically uh determined that there
3:33were three intertwined doctrines within
3:36Islam that really make it a problem for
3:38the non-Muslim world, okay?
3:41And they are um and before I actually
3:43get into it, uh and so you understand
3:45how this came about, we have to talk a
3:47little bit about Muhammad, the prophet
3:49of Islam, um in the 7th century.
3:52So what I always say is the genius, for
3:55lack of a better term, of Muhammad is
3:57that he managed to um
3:59rearticulate tribalism, which is exactly
4:02what his society was all about. 7th
4:04century Arabia, you can look at the
4:06Middle East and Arabia today, it's
4:08tribal. So, you can imagine 14 centuries
4:10ago just how tribal it was. But, he took
4:12tribalism and essentially rearticulated
4:15it through a theological paradigm. And
4:17it's from this paradigm that you get the
4:19three doctrines that I'm talking about.
4:21And the first one is um it's in Arabic,
4:23it's called al-wala' wal-bara', which uh
4:26uh literally means love and hate. And it
4:28teaches Okay, so this is tribalism. What
4:30is tribalism? Tribalism, it's we the
4:32people, we the tribe, we the we the
4:35whoever. I haven't gone into Islam yet,
4:37but this is tribalism. It's us against
4:39them.
4:40Them is everyone outside the tribe, and
4:42historically, one tribe preys on the
4:44other. It kills, it subjugates, rapes,
4:46enslaves, plunders, etc. Okay, so that's
4:50the first thing. So, he basically took
4:52that mentality, and it was no longer
4:54about blood kinship, it was about the
4:56ummah, the Muslims, the Muslim community
4:59as it's known, or the nation. So, if
5:00you're a Muslim, you are part of one
5:02tribe, and everyone else is part of the
5:04other tribes. This is even uh this this
5:07dichotomy is codified in the Islamic
5:09worldview. There's something called dar
5:11al-harb, which means the realm of war,
5:14where Muslims go and fight and kill mus-
5:16infidels, and dar al-Islam, this is the
5:18land of Islam. Okay? So, it's a purely
5:21tribalistic thing.
5:22But, within it is also hatred. Okay, so
5:25in the Quran, for example, Quran 64, it
5:28basically says Ibrahim,
5:31not me, but Abraham the prophet
5:33patriarch, because his name is
5:35transliterated as Ibrahim, that he
5:37basically when he left his people, he
5:38told them, "Hatred and enmity shall
5:40forever reign between us until you
5:42believe in Allah alone." And this is a
5:44very pivotal doctrine, and there's
5:46others that supplement it in the Quran
5:48and in the Hadith, the sayings of
5:50Muhammad.
5:51>> [snorts]
5:51>> Long story short, it calls on Muslims to
5:54have enmity and hatred for non-Muslims.
5:56Okay, and to at the very least disavow
5:58them, have nothing to do with them,
6:00except if you need them, if you're
6:02weaker than them, and then based on
6:03circumstance, yes, you can cooperate
6:05cooperate with them, but it's not
6:07sincere. That's a whole different um
6:10uh particular doctrine. But so now, this
6:12hatred manifests itself in a more
6:15familiar doctrine, jihad. Okay, so if I
6:18am part of this Islamic tribe, and
6:20everyone that is an outsider, and uh how
6:23do I manifest this hatred for the other
6:26while also showing loyalty and love for
6:28my tribe? Well, it's through jihad. And
6:31jihad historically meant holy war.
6:33That's all that could That's all Muslims
6:35could do. They Because nobody was going
6:36to just give in to them, unlike today.
6:39Uh so, to do jihad meant you had to go
6:42and fight and conquer and expand. And um
6:46and give the non-Muslims choices. You
6:48can convert, or you can you can be a
6:51willing subject, pay an extra tax, and
6:54live in humiliated conditions, according
6:56to Quran 9:29, which says, "Fight the
6:59people of the book," which is
7:00interpreted as meaning Christians and
7:02Jews,
7:03"until they pay tribute and feel
7:04themselves subdued and etc." Or you
7:06fight to the death. Okay, this has been
7:08the classical doctrine based on the the
7:11jihad. And then the third one is the
7:13aftermath. Once Islam is successful in
7:16whatever region it's conquered, the
7:18aftermath is a this is now a society
7:20where non-Muslims are not in any way,
7:22shape, or form equal. There's actual
7:24teachings about how they have to be You
7:26have to make them feel degraded. They
7:28don't have the same rights. In a court
7:30of law, a Christian can't uh his his
7:33testimony against a Muslim is null.
7:35Okay, so all sorts of things. So now,
7:36these three
7:38particular doctrines, and there's so
7:39many worse ones, of course, we can get
7:41into. Islam
7:43calls for the death of the apostate, any
7:45Muslim who's born into Islam who wants
7:46to be a Christian, for example, and this
7:48happens
7:49>> [clears throat]
7:49>> very frequently, but I I like I said,
7:51I'm trying to distill it into the most
7:53um
7:54obvious problem with non-Muslims, okay?
7:57Now, one other point that makes it
7:58especially dangerous, Islam from a
8:01Christian point of view,
8:02is that many people don't understand, in
8:03fact, uh let me backtrack, most people
8:06will try to tell you that uh
8:08Muslims well, there's a bridge between
8:10Christians and Muslims because Muslims
8:11love Jesus, and uh he's a prophet, and
8:14they believe he was born of a virgin,
8:16etc., and he's going to come in the last
8:18days, and Christians are encouraged to
8:20treat this as some sort of bridge.
8:22Um I I I see it the opposite because
8:25when it comes to the actual cardinal
8:26most important teachings of
8:27Christianity, Islam categorically
8:30rejects it. The Quran says that Jesus
8:33was not even crucified,
8:35by which uh which means he wasn't
8:37resurrected, and it vehemently condemns
8:39the idea of a trinity, or that Jesus is
8:42in any way, shape, or form the son of
8:43God, or part of a trinity. These are all
8:46anathema to Islam, and in fact, uh
8:49and so and there's many Quranic verses
8:51that make that point. So, I think I I've
8:53always found it interesting that
8:55you have an entire religion that by name
8:57attacks Christians. This doesn't happen
8:59with other Hindus don't do that,
9:00Buddhists don't do that, okay? Uh so,
9:03this is the irony. We're often told that
9:05religions that are closer to us we can
9:07actually make a bridge. It's actually
9:08usually the opposite because uh a
9:10completely foreign uh religion,
9:12Hinduism, and a Christian, okay, we know
9:15we don't get along, we don't say the
9:16same things, but we're not attacking
9:18each other by name, but when it comes to
9:20Islam, it literally is attacking
9:22Christianity based on its teachings, its
9:24more core teachings. Now,
9:27so, and what's interesting if you're if
9:29you want to look at it again from a
9:30Christian point of view,
9:32is uh
9:33St. John in the Gospel on numerous, at
9:35least two occasions, basically says he
9:37who denies Christ as the son of God or
9:39who was crucified and resurrected is the
9:41spirit of Antichrist. And this is in the
9:44Quran. It vehemently denies this. Okay,
9:47now this is the theology and again, I'm
9:49just giving you a blitz kind of
9:51sampling of the main problems. Now,
9:53let's look at the history, right? And
9:55the history is one long manifestation of
9:58this doctrine that I told you, okay? Um
10:01and to just really try to underscore it
10:04and remember ISIS, the Islamic State in
10:06Iraq and Syria and
10:08emanated elsewhere. It's still prominent
10:10in Africa. If you recall when it came on
10:12the scene, the sorts of atrocities they
10:14committed, right? The the sex slaves,
10:17uh burning churches, crucifying people,
10:19burning them alive, beheading them and
10:22constantly we were told this is not
10:23Islam. Well, if you look at it from a
10:25historical point of view, that's exactly
10:27what happened about it was ISIS on
10:29steroids because it wasn't just a small
10:32group of terrorists. It was the entire
10:34caliphates and the sultanates. Okay, the
10:37the literal leaders of the Islamic
10:39world, the ulama, the scholars, the
10:41sheikh. They all taught the same sorts
10:43of thing about you have to attack, you
10:45have to conquer the infidel, etc., etc.
10:48Long story short and here's the part
10:50most people, including Christians, don't
10:52know
10:53is that just in the first century after
10:55Muhammad dies, from 632 is when he dies,
10:58to 732, Islam had conquered 2/3 of the
11:02Christian world permanently. The older,
11:05more sophisticated, more advanced, more
11:07progressive
11:09uh part of Christendom. That would be
11:11what today we call the the Muslim world.
11:13North Africa, from Egypt all the way to
11:15Morocco and the Middle East. All those
11:18Middle Eastern countries, Syria, Iraq,
11:20Israel, Jordan, Iraq,
11:23um and and Asia Minor, Turkey. Later,
11:26that was also These were the bastions of
11:28Christianity. Wasn't So, when you think
11:29of Christendom today, we think of
11:30Europe. Actually, Europe is what was
11:32left over from that after it got
11:35truncated by these massive Islamic
11:37Jihadist conquests. And I mentioned ISIS
11:41because if you look at the sources as I
11:43have and you look at the primary sources
11:46from the written in Arabic and in
11:47Turkish and in Latin and in Greek,
11:50they describe what ISIS did. This wasn't
11:53just a secular war. They came and they
11:55targeted churches and they destroyed
11:57them and they desecrated them and they
11:59broke the cross like ISIS would say and
12:02they turned some in mosques and they
12:03mass enslaved Europeans, millions over
12:07the years. And that's all the sorts of
12:09things that we were told ISIS does and
12:11is not Islamic was constantly on display
12:14for well over a millennium, okay? And
12:17and this went against the the the
12:19non-Christian world, too, but to make it
12:21more succinct, I'm focusing on the
12:23Christian world which like I said was
12:24North Africa, the Middle East and
12:25Europe. Spain was conquered for about
12:28eight centuries.
12:29Later on the Balkans,
12:31you had the Turks who came in and
12:33conquered. All right? By 1683, now we're
12:36talking almost a thousand years after
12:38Muhammad, you had Muslims in Vienna and
12:40they almost conquered it.
12:42Okay? And even people forget other
12:44epochs like Russia which was Christian,
12:47Orthodox Russia, it was conquered. We
12:48know about the Mongols, maybe the Tatar
12:50yoke. Well, they were Muslims and it was
12:53the same sort of thing. You had all
12:54those the same Islamic ideology,
12:56restrictions on churches, enslavement of
12:59Russians and so on and so forth.
13:02So, that went on and then on stop and
13:04what's interesting to me is if you look
13:06at it, there were there's different
13:07emanations of the Jihad as it's known.
13:10It starts off with the Arabs, but then
13:12you have the Moors or the Berbers in
13:14Spain and the West and later you have
13:16the Turks and then later you have the
13:17Tatars. Now, when you read a historic a
13:20history book today written by a
13:21historian, a secondary history as
13:23they're known,
13:24these books will never talk about
13:26religion. They'll talk about Arab
13:27conquest, Turkish conquest. They'll
13:29present it as a secular thing. If you
13:31dig into the sources as I have, you're
13:33going to see actually all of these
13:35groups were guided by the same ideology
13:39that I just listed, hatred for the
13:41infidel, a jihad, conquering them and
13:43then praying on them essentially and
13:45keeping them as a subjugated class.
13:48There was a you know, mass slave raids
13:50that went as far as Iceland. Okay, think
13:52about that. Muslims from Africa went as
13:55far as Iceland in the 16th century and
13:57hauled slaves and they sold them back
14:00in the Islamic world. The slavery thing,
14:02you know, you know about the
14:03transatlantic slave trade. You don't
14:04know about what Muslims did which is
14:06actually makes the former pale in
14:07comparison. We're talking many millions
14:09of Europeans and Christians who were not
14:12just enslaved, but habitually and very
14:14cruelly and sadistically tortured again
14:16because of the hatred that Muslims are
14:18supposed to feel for the Christian. I
14:20translated a video of a Muslim cleric
14:22basically saying based on this doctrine,
14:24you can marry a Christian woman or a Jew
14:26because that is legal in Islam, but you
14:28have to hate her. And he basically says
14:30you can copulate with her and enjoy her,
14:32but you have to show her you hate her
14:34because that's the that's what our
14:36religion does. So, these are aspects
14:38that people are completely
14:40missing.
14:41And um
14:42so why I find it interesting again and
14:45the tribal thing it goes back to I
14:46mentioned all these different peoples,
14:48the Turks and the Tatars. They were
14:49tribal people because again, I told you
14:51Islam is a is tribalism in the guise of
14:55theology.
14:56But this sort of thing goes on to the
14:58point that America's very first war as a
15:01nation following independence from
15:03Britain was with Muslims who were
15:04quoting the Quran and saying
15:07jihad, you're an infidel, etc. Okay, so
15:10I will read to you a quick quote from
15:12Thomas Jefferson. If you know about the
15:13Barbary War, the first Barbary War,
15:15there were two, but it was basically
15:17Muslims from North Africa ransacking
15:19American vessels and enslaving of
15:21sailors.
15:23So, Thomas Jefferson met with the
15:24ambassador and he wrote the following
15:27letter which was read to Congress in
15:281786 and we still have the letter. And
15:31here's what
15:32um
15:33here's what Jefferson said.
15:35And now we've come to the inquiry point
15:37by the way. So, he wrote, "We took the
15:39liberty to make some inquiries
15:41concerning the grounds of their, the
15:43Muslims, pretensions to make war upon
15:46nations who had done them no injury
15:48and observed that we considered all
15:50mankind as our friends who had done us
15:51no wrong or had given us any
15:53provocation." The ambassador answered us
15:55that it was founded on the laws of their
15:57prophet that it was written in their
15:59Quran that all nations who should not
16:01have acknowledged their authority were
16:02sinners, that it was their right and
16:05duty to make war upon them wherever they
16:07could be found and to make slaves of all
16:09they could take as prisoners and that
16:11every Muslim who should be slain in
16:13battle was sure to go to paradise. Is
16:15that not ISIS for you? Okay, this is now
16:18um
16:19this is 1786
16:21uh and this great paragon of
16:22enlightenment to Jefferson of course
16:24doesn't know much about Islam so he's a
16:26little shocked at this. But what they
16:27were doing is actually paraphrasing the
16:29Quran.
16:30So, now we come to the big question.
16:32What Why don't we know this and why has
16:34this been so jettisoned? Because uh
16:36there are so many lies in the modern
16:37era. Honestly, history has been
16:39completely reversed and in a way that
16:42should be familiar to you and um the
16:44equation is basically Christianity bad,
16:46violent, intolerant, Islam and everyone
16:49else good, tolerant and we can learn
16:52from. This is what I call fake history.
16:54It's very dangerous. It's worse than
16:55fake news because it creates overarching
16:58paradigms by which people sift reality
17:00through. And if you think Christians
17:02were always the bad guys, medieval
17:04benighted Christians, intolerant
17:05Muslims, that's always going to color
17:07your the way you understand the world.
17:09And I'll leave you with a quote by John
17:11Esposito. Now, this was a professor at
17:13Georgetown when I was there
17:15and he was the editor of the
17:17Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic
17:18World. And here's what he said, just to
17:20give you an idea. Now, mind you, right
17:22before the first Crusade, which we hear
17:23about, there was another emanation of
17:25Islamic atrocities. 30,000 churches were
17:28destroyed. The Holy Sepulchre in
17:30Jerusalem was razed to the ground.
17:32Pilgrims were being raped and abducted
17:34and killed in Armenia. This is in the
17:36decades before the First Crusade. Tens
17:39of thousands of Christians were being
17:40killed, burned alive, their churches
17:42systematically destroyed. So, that's the
17:44context. He writes, um, here's his
17:47quote. Five centuries of peaceful
17:49coexistence between Muslims and
17:51Christians elapsed before political
17:53events and an imperial papal power play
17:56led to centuries-long series of
17:58so-called holy wars that pitted
17:59Christendom against Islam, and it left
18:01an enduring legacy of misunderstanding
18:03and distrust.
18:05So, those five centuries, when Islam
18:06conquered three quarters of the
18:08Christian world and engaged in atrocity
18:10after atrocity, he likens to five
18:12centuries of peaceful coexistence until
18:15the First Crusade, because that's where
18:16it all starts. Well, the First Crusade
18:18was actually meant to redress these
18:20abuses. It was a war of defense meant to
18:23help fellow Christians, okay? Now,
18:25here's a a quick nuance, some an
18:27objection. You're going to say You're
18:29going to say to me, "Well, what about
18:30the Muslim I know in 7-Eleven? He's a
18:31good guy." And, what you need to
18:33understand
18:35is, I don't discount that at all. Yes,
18:38there are many good Muslims. I'm talking
18:40about Islam, and I'm going to explain it
18:42to you the best way through an analogy,
18:44okay? Oskar Schindler was a ranking Nazi
18:46member. I think all of us can say Nazism
18:49is a bad ideology, but he did good
18:51things, right? He saved Jews at no small
18:53risk to himself. But, nobody comes in
18:56says, "See, Oskar Schindler's an example
18:58of moderate Nazism. You can't condemn
19:00all of Nazism." We understand that he
19:02was a member of it, it taught what it
19:04did, but he actually rejected and rose
19:06above it when it came to that particular
19:08idea of hating Jews or any other
19:10undesirable. But, we never say, "Okay,
19:13Nazism's okay." So I submit to you it's
19:15the same thing with Islam. There are
19:16good Muslims and moderates, okay? But
19:19they represent themselves. They are They
19:20are not a reflection of Islam, which
19:22teaches and has done the sorts of things
19:25that I just got done telling you.
19:26So, in closing, I think the most
19:28important thing is that we
19:30embrace the facts, and the truth shall
19:32set you free, as Jesus Christ said. This
19:35is not about hating Muslims. In fact,
19:37the more truth we know, the more we can
19:39help Muslims. Muslims are often the very
19:41first victims of what's going on,
19:43because they had no choice. They're born
19:44into it. If they try to leave it, they
19:46can get killed. And the final point is,
19:48remember, Islam is making a comeback not
19:50because it's powerful or strong. It's
19:52actually much weaker than it's been
19:54historically, but because the West has
19:56become very weak spiritually. Um you
19:59okay? Because if the West was actually
20:01strong and confident, what you're seeing
20:02would not happen. And I call this and I
20:05blame it on what's called doormat
20:06Christianity. This idea that
20:08Christianity begins and ends with being
20:10nice and accommodating and never
20:12challenging anyone. And I'm arguing we
20:15need to get another form, an older form
20:17of Christianity, which actually spoke
20:20for the truth, which was very bold, and
20:22which is much more reminiscent of Jesus
20:24Christ
20:25cleansing the temple, making a whip,
20:27driving people out, and standing for the
20:29truth, because that's also part of being
20:31Christianity. That's what he did. But
20:33for some reason, that part we don't talk
20:35about. We've ignored it. There is a
20:36call, there is a need to stand for
20:38what's true, good, just, and righteous.
20:40And it's not about hating Muslims. It's
20:42actually addressing the truth and
20:44dealing with Islam for what it is, in in
20:47order to help the world and Muslims at
20:50large. Thank you.
20:53>> [applause]
20:54>> Bring back
20:56the fire.
20:58Bring back the
21:01Bring back
21:02the fire
21:04and the
21:06righteousness.

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