Is The New Kill Team Box Worth It? — Transcript

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1. 0:00Kill Team Terror on Devlan
2. 0:02is here now.
3. 0:04>> [music]
4. 0:14>> The day has finally come for Victor and
5. 0:17I to talk about the Terror on Devlan
6. 0:18Kill Team release.
7. 0:20Um, we have a lot to say. We're not
8. 0:22going to go on and on and on and on and
9. 0:24on and on and on, but we are going to go
10. 0:26a little bit on.
11. 0:27>> We are not putting out a traditional
12. 0:29battle report of this. We thought
13. 0:30because this is kind of narrativy,
14. 0:32because there's a Joy Toy focus, it
15. 0:33would be a lot of fun to do it as a
16. 0:35stream. So, one day next week, we are
17. 0:37going to stream one of the scenarios
18. 0:39from the narrative pack Tyranids versus
19. 0:41Specter Squad.
20. 0:43It'll be a lot of fun. And so, if you'd
21. 0:44like to see that, make sure you join our
22. 0:46Discord. It's free and all the
23. 0:47notifications happen there, so you'll
24. 0:49see when we go live. Also, if you can't
25. 0:51catch the live stream, we'll leave it up
26. 0:52so you can watch it just as any old
27. 0:54battle report. Okay, first up, Specter
28. 0:56Squad. What do we think? We're not going
29. 0:59to do a full rules deep dive. The rules
30. 1:01are already on the app. They've been on
31. 1:02the app, the Kill Team app for like days
32. 1:05now. They don't usually put them out
33. 1:07this early, but they're out. So, you can
34. 1:09read through the rules at your own pace.
35. 1:11We're not going to do that here, but
36. 1:13what are your thoughts on this team? So,
37. 1:14first of all, I think
38. 1:17we've been talking a lot lately about
39. 1:18like complexity creep and all that
40. 1:20stuff. I think this team has kind of
41. 1:23like
42. 1:24ups and downs to me. The faction rules,
43. 1:27of which there are two, one team-wide
44. 1:29camel cloaks, simple, love it. The other
45. 1:32one is this whole thing about like
46. 1:34interrupting your opponent's
47. 1:35activations. It is kind of complicated
48. 1:38and also I don't really love this kind
49. 1:41of rule in the first place. Like, it's
50. 1:43very similar to Rattlings. Well, except
51. 1:46for like Rattlings don't stop you from
52. 1:48like you can't interrupt and shoot
53. 1:51someone with Rattlings.
54. 1:53>> Sure. You know? Yeah. It's kind of like
55. 1:54you get some amount of guards, but it
56. 1:57you can do more than just shooting, you
57. 1:58know? Um I I just think this kind of
58. 2:01stuff slows down the game because your
59. 2:02opponent's going to be taking their turn
60. 2:03and they've thought out their whole, you
61. 2:04know, they've taken time to think about
62. 2:06what they're going to do, and then
63. 2:08you're like, "Actually, no." So, then it
64. 2:09just is like more delaying stuff. I feel
65. 2:12like it slows down the game. It like
66. 2:14interrupts the flow. Um and I always
67. 2:17just find rules like this
68. 2:19kind of feels bad to play as and feels
69. 2:22bad to play against. They just like I
70. 2:24don't find it too fun. Yeah, same. And
71. 2:26like I don't think this is indicative of
72. 2:29the complexity creep that we've talked
73. 2:31about, but it is definitely a part of
74. 2:33the like gotcha creep in the game, you
75. 2:36know? Like it feels like uh the faction
76. 2:38rule for this team is very much a like
77. 2:42surprise your opponent and kill their
78. 2:44stuff when they're not expecting it. Or
79. 2:46whatever, stop their plans before they
80. 2:48happen. And that's not a bad thing. I
81. 2:49also think it's like that, but also talk
82. 2:53about analysis paralysis.
83. 2:54>> totally. Like it took you 20 years to
84. 2:56take a turn before, but now every turn
85. 2:58you got to think about, well, what if
86. 2:59they interrupt me with any of their guys
87. 3:01that can, like half their team or
88. 3:03whatever at that particular point, cuz
89. 3:05it's not everybody, but um yeah. So, I
90. 3:08don't love that faction rule, but the
91. 3:10other faction rule I really like, it's
92. 3:12very simple. It's just like elegant.
93. 3:13This is what it does. You don't have to
94. 3:15think about it too much. Um and all the
95. 3:17operatives are fairly simple. So, I
96. 3:20think if you can get past the one
97. 3:21faction rule, I think this is a pretty
98. 3:23simple team, actually. Um with the one
99. 3:26big caveat. The models are cool. Yep. Um
100. 3:30but they're just like more guard. I feel
101. 3:31like this has been talked about to death
102. 3:33already, but like they're fine. They're
103. 3:36not like super crazy to me. If you like
104. 3:38them, you like them. If you don't, you
105. 3:39don't. We don't have to tell you if you
106. 3:41think they're cool or not, right? You
107. 3:42can see them. Yeah, I think that um in
108. 3:45terms of the models, like
109. 3:46uh guard isn't not
110. 3:49my bag, typically. Uh these ones I like
111. 3:53more than like Cadian, I think they're
112. 3:55more interesting than that. I like them
113. 3:57more than Death Korps. I think they're
114. 3:59they've got like a cool kind of like
115. 4:01indoor vibe uh that I think is neat and
116. 4:05I think there's like a lot of different
117. 4:07ways you could take it from a hobby
118. 4:08perspective. Uh
119. 4:10however, like yeah, it's they're like 10
120. 4:13humans with guns and they but
121. 4:16>> you know, you got to you got to feed the
122. 4:18meat grinder somehow.
123. 4:19>> Yeah. I would rate these as a like a mid
124. 4:21excitement level Yeah. for this team.
125. 4:23You agree? Yeah. All right.
126. 4:25Okay, next up we're talking about the
127. 4:26Tyranid part of this box, which is the
128. 4:28Red Terror. Comes with a bunch of Gaunts
129. 4:31and also um all like the narrative rules
130. 4:33and the scenarios and the lore and all
131. 4:36that stuff. Why don't you like you can
132. 4:37take this a bit.
133. 4:38>> Sure. So, uh the Gaunts are like
134. 4:41whatever. These are models that already
135. 4:42exist that
136. 4:44uh you know,
137. 4:45if you need them and you can get them
138. 4:47this way, great. Obviously, the main
139. 4:48like draw of the Tyranid half of this
140. 4:50box is the Red Terror. This is a great
141. 4:52model. It was a blast to paint. It was a
142. 4:55bit of a pain in the ass to put
143. 4:56together, but all Tyranids are, frankly,
144. 4:59uh especially modern Tyranids. Uh but
145. 5:01yeah, I think it's a very cool model. I
146. 5:02mean, what what could you possibly say?
147. 5:04It's like a giant snake bug with talons.
148. 5:07Very cool, very fun to paint. Uh
149. 5:10the like lore section in the book, which
150. 5:13admittedly, I don't always read. I did
151. 5:15this time because we were writing that
152. 5:17article for it. And the model like
153. 5:19really reflects that. You know, I think
154. 5:21it's a cool
155. 5:22uh it like it really carries through.
156. 5:24It's very cool. It's a very good model.
157. 5:26And it's got awesome rules. A, they're
158. 5:29very thematic. It all makes sense with
159. 5:31like how it acts in the lore. Uh that's
160. 5:34all very cool. It's pretty complicated
161. 5:37for a joint ops thing for my taste. Like
162. 5:40there's two data cards.
163. 5:42Uh you're constantly going to be
164. 5:43managing like what profile is currently
165. 5:46up right now. All of it is like pretty
166. 5:48simple in and of itself. Like it's a
167. 5:50it's like they're all simple rules, but
168. 5:52it's like 25 simple rules to keep track
169. 5:54of, you know?
170. 5:56Uh so, I wish that it was maybe a little
171. 6:00bit less. Like I think my ideal version
172. 6:03of it would just be like a massively
173. 6:05juiced up Ravener that had the same sort
174. 6:08of caveat of it never being
175. 6:10incapacitated fully like this one has. I
176. 6:12think that's very cool. But, the way
177. 6:14they get up there is like a full page of
178. 6:16text and two big data cards. And that's
179. 6:18like that's a bit much for me. Um
180. 6:21however, I think it all like works. It
181. 6:23all makes sense. The good thing is is
182. 6:25this isn't intended as like a matched
183. 6:27play balanced thing. And so, like
184. 6:30whether or not it's strong doesn't
185. 6:32matter because you're playing against
186. 6:34this in like a joint ops narrative
187. 6:36capacity. Doesn't matter if you win or
188. 6:39lose because like the act of playing the
189. 6:41game is the victory more so than the you
190. 6:44know, the victory of the mission. So, I
191. 6:46think it's cool. I wish it was like a
192. 6:48little bit less to keep track of, but I
193. 6:50think it still works. My take on this is
194. 6:52I was really looking forward to all the
195. 6:54boss battle stuff when they started
196. 6:55teasing this like new wave of kill team
197. 6:57releases. I was really looking forward
198. 6:59to the Nemesis Ops book, which at first
199. 7:02I thought might come as part of this
200. 7:03box. It does not, and we have not seen
201. 7:05it yet. So, I cannot comment on that,
202. 7:08but I'm really excited to like take any
203. 7:11big thing out of my 40K collection and
204. 7:14just use it as a boss battle, you know?
205. 7:16It says in the description of the book
206. 7:18that there's rules for certain models
207. 7:21and then also like a custom thing where
208. 7:23you can like build your own. So, I think
209. 7:25they said, you know, there's like
210. 7:26Sentinels from the Guard range. There's
211. 7:28some like battle suits I think from the
212. 7:30Tower range, some dreadnoughts that come
213. 7:32with like their whole boss battle rules
214. 7:35and everything. But, then it says that
215. 7:37there's a custom way to do things. I was
216. 7:38really excited for all that flexibility.
217. 7:41That's not in this box. Um that being
218. 7:43said,
219. 7:44fighting this Red Terror does seem cool
220. 7:46still, um but I'm more excited for like
221. 7:49the creative juices to be flowing from
222. 7:51the other book. Yeah, absolutely. And if
223. 7:54the Red Terror's profile and like rule
224. 7:57set is indicative of what the rest of
225. 7:59the big bosses are like, it's like
226. 8:01I'm slightly less excited about it, to
227. 8:04be honest.
228. 8:04>> a bit heavy.
229. 8:05>> It's a bit heavy for Joint Ops for me.
230. 8:07But
231. 8:08you know, if like Brad said, there's
232. 8:10like good guidance on creating your own,
233. 8:12then it's all optional anyway. And so I
234. 8:14think that's very cool. Uh quickly,
235. 8:16what's cool about the Joint Ops bit of
236. 8:18this book is that there are nine
237. 8:20missions that you can play through
238. 8:21sequentially, and your outcome of each
239. 8:24mission determines where you go in that
240. 8:26path and what your like final end is. So
241. 8:29I think it's cool cuz there are like
242. 8:30there are some stakes in your games,
243. 8:32which I think has always been something
244. 8:34that's kind of lacked for me in the
245. 8:36Joint Ops stuff. Like you're actually
246. 8:37playing for something. There's a reason
247. 8:39to try to win, or there's like, you
248. 8:41know, some stakes for when you lose. And
249. 8:44I think that that is very successful.
250. 8:46Another bit of it that I really, really
251. 8:47like is each of the missions makes use
252. 8:49of the NPO activation deck. And so the
253. 8:51way this works is there's a deck of 13
254. 8:54cards, and at each NPO activation, you
255. 8:56draw one, and then that number tells you
256. 8:59like what NPO to activate, basically.
257. 9:01Each mission has a different set of
258. 9:03parameters.
259. 9:04I think that's really cool.
260. 9:06Dick on a motorcycle needs his muffler
261. 9:08tuned.
262. 9:10I think that's very cool. One of the
263. 9:11problems with Joint Ops that I've had in
264. 9:13the past is uh like analysis paralysis,
265. 9:16I guess, is kind of one way to look at
266. 9:18it, but just like trying to make a good
267. 9:19faith decision about what the NPOs are
268. 9:23doing, which NPO to activate, that sort
269. 9:25of thing. You know, like how am I really
270. 9:27playing this as hard as I can? And then
271. 9:28you think like, well, am I walking into
272. 9:30my own traps that I've set? Yeah.
273. 9:31Whatever. This kind of takes another
274. 9:33step of it out of your hand, adds a bit
275. 9:35more randomness. Uh what's cool is that
276. 9:37a lot of the missions could have the Red
277. 9:39Terror activate like three or four times
278. 9:40in a row depending on what you draw. So,
279. 9:42it's going to be really swingy and it's
280. 9:44going to be really fun. Also, it's just
281. 9:46a 13-card deck, which means if you use
282. 9:48Ace through King of like a normal deck
283. 9:50of cards, that works. And so, that's all
284. 9:53you need. You don't need to buy the box
285. 9:54to use it and I think that's a very,
286. 9:56very cool thing.
287. 9:56>> That is cool. All right. So, who do we
288. 9:59think this box is for? Is it a good
289. 10:01starter set for if you're getting into
290. 10:03Kill Team? I've seen a lot of people
291. 10:04asking this online. Is this a good way
292. 10:06to get into Kill Team if I have no Kill
293. 10:09Team purchases under my belt yet? The
294. 10:11answer is probably not.
295. 10:13>> Yeah. Because yes, it gives you one team
296. 10:15and you can play against the MPOs, which
297. 10:16if that's what you're looking to get out
298. 10:18of Kill Team is cool. But you don't have
299. 10:20the core rules.
300. 10:21And you don't have terrain. And you
301. 10:24know, there's other stuff you need,
302. 10:25tokens and blah blah blah. So, if you
303. 10:28buy this box, can you even really play
304. 10:30Kill Team? Yes. Well, kind of. Not by
305. 10:33yourself. But if you buy this box, what
306. 10:35you'll get out of it is one proper Kill
307. 10:37Team and like the toys that go with
308. 10:40them. What you won't get is everything
309. 10:43else for a game of Kill Team. So, if
310. 10:44you've got like a Kill Team crowd that
311. 10:46you want to join, this box can help get
312. 10:49you there. But so can purchasing any
313. 10:51team by itself. Is this box for
314. 10:53competitive players?
315. 10:54Probably not unless you really, really,
316. 10:56really want to play Specter Squad and
317. 10:59can't wait until it becomes out as a
318. 11:01solo release. Is this box for casual
319. 11:04players that just want to sit around and
320. 11:05have a beer and pretzels night?
321. 11:07Probably. Honestly, maybe. But it
322. 11:09depends what your definition of beer and
323. 11:10pretzels is because if you're like, you
324. 11:12know, heavy on the beer and lighter on
325. 11:14the pretzels, you might just like your
326. 11:16eyes might glaze over when you look at
327. 11:17some of these rules even though it's
328. 11:18Joint Ops. Would you agree? It's
329. 11:20definitely a bit crunchy for a narrative
330. 11:22box. But if what you're after is like a
331. 11:24good gaming experience, but not
332. 11:26necessarily just like playing uh you
333. 11:28know, Monopoly with your family, this
334. 11:30could be a great box for you, I think.
335. 11:32Yeah, I think the whole box is like very
336. 11:34thematic, too. I love like the story of
337. 11:37the mission of like you're doomed, but
338. 11:39just like, you know, do your best on
339. 11:41your way out the door. If you're a
340. 11:43tiered competitive 40K player, it seems
341. 11:44like a great box. Unless you already
342. 11:46have like a hundred gaunts, which
343. 11:47probably you do, but maybe you don't.
344. 11:49There you go. Keep an eye on the channel
345. 11:50for the next couple days. We've got a
346. 11:52video in which we paint all this
347. 11:53nonsense. And like I said, we will be
348. 11:55streaming a battle, which we are very,
349. 11:57very excited about. Always fun to stream
350. 11:59and hang out with the folks in chat. Uh
351. 12:02thank you to Games Workshop for sending
352. 12:03us this a few weeks early. Uh it's given
353. 12:05us an opportunity to kind of get our
354. 12:07life together and figure out what all
355. 12:09this means and what all of it does. So
356. 12:11>> Yeah. Thanks also to our WHP gangsters
357. 12:13and mountain goats. And thanks for
358. 12:15watching this video. We'll have more
359. 12:16battle reports coming soon.
360. 12:18Uh like Victor said, painting video
361. 12:19coming soon. And check us out for that
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365. 12:34now.
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