Is Kill Team Still Made For Us? — Transcript

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1. 0:00Kill Team is kind of weird right now,
2. 0:02and we have a lot to say about it.
3. 0:07>> [music]
4. 0:15>> So, in the last year and a half, uh Kill
5. 0:17Team has undergone a pretty significant
6. 0:18transition from the point it was in when
7. 0:20we got into the game. Uh obviously, a
8. 0:22new edition came in, which is a good
9. 0:24thing. Uh a couple different game modes,
10. 0:27the real streamlining of matched play
11. 0:29and how that looks, a few new kill
12. 0:31zones, and a lot of new kill teams. And
13. 0:33it's left us feeling sometimes the
14. 0:35design direction of this game is
15. 0:37targeted less at folks like us and more
16. 0:40at like a specifically competitive
17. 0:42crowd. And that's not necessarily a bad
18. 0:45thing, but we want to just talk a little
19. 0:46bit about some of the things in Kill
20. 0:48Team that we currently find a bit
21. 0:49frustrating, and talk a little bit about
22. 0:51the future of Kill Team, and how, you
23. 0:53know, we think we can make our own fun
24. 0:55with it.
25. 0:56I also want to say before we get too far
26. 0:58into this, if you just watch like the
27. 1:00first 2 minutes of this video and click
28. 1:02off, I do have points advocating for the
29. 1:06opposite side of this. So, don't just
30. 1:08like watch the first 2 minutes and say
31. 1:10that we are hating on the game because
32. 1:12we're also going to talk about why we
33. 1:13love the game and why we're very
34. 1:15optimistic. So, it might look at the
35. 1:18beginning, like the first half of this
36. 1:19video might be negative. There is
37. 1:20positive also, so watch the whole thing
38. 1:23before you hate us. Definitely. And
39. 1:26like, yeah, I think two important things
40. 1:27to remember through this is that we love
41. 1:28Kill Team. You know, this is This is our
42. 1:31main game. This is our favorite game.
43. 1:33Currently, we're a bit frustrated with
44. 1:34some things. And the second thing to
45. 1:36keep in mind is yes, we do receive early
46. 1:39copies of stuff from Games Workshop.
47. 1:41None of this
48. 1:42is like informed by some future release
49. 1:45that we have that you don't know. Like,
50. 1:47we know nothing. Uh this is just like
51. 1:50two two nerds wish listing.
52. 1:52Um but all right, let's get started. So,
53. 1:54what are the some of the things
54. 1:56that currently frustrate I'll I'll
55. 1:58start. So, one thing that I find right
56. 2:00now with Kill Team, so the current state
57. 2:02of approved ops,
58. 2:04um I find that
59. 2:06I'm never surprised by a game. You know,
60. 2:09like
61. 2:10a team will play against another team
62. 2:13and you will have a mission and you're
63. 2:16pretty sure you know how the team is
64. 2:18going to be played against you and how
65. 2:21the best way to play your team is. It's
66. 2:23been a while since I've played a game
67. 2:25like a matched play game of Kill Team
68. 2:27and been like surprised by a tactic or
69. 2:30been surprised by an outcome. It's all
70. 2:33felt a little bit predictable and
71. 2:36one thing I loved in the last edition
72. 2:38was
73. 2:39uh teams having faction tac ops that
74. 2:41were specific just to them. Um I thought
75. 2:44that it just it created so many more
76. 2:46different interactions and uh that's
77. 2:49something I kind of miss with everyone
78. 2:51shooting for the same
79. 2:53you know, I technically 12 tac ops, but
80. 2:55it's more accurately it's like you play
81. 2:57against the same like four or five, you
82. 2:58know, no matter what. Uh cuz there's I
83. 3:00think a bunch that people ignore. And so
84. 3:02that's something that I kind of miss
85. 3:04from the old days. Mhm. Yeah, for me one
86. 3:07thing
87. 3:08that I've noticed a lot more of in the
88. 3:10last
89. 3:12couple of years
90. 3:13is that tendency for teams to have a lot
91. 3:15of anti-fun rules, as we call them. And
92. 3:18let me be clear, we're just two guys.
93. 3:20Just because
94. 3:21Yeah, we are having a good time. Just
95. 3:23because we make YouTube videos does not
96. 3:25mean our opinion holds any more weight
97. 3:27than anybody else. So, this is totally
98. 3:29just our opinion and I recognize that
99. 3:33some people might like this kind of
100. 3:35thing. Some people might like these kind
101. 3:36of rules. They see it as a puzzle to
102. 3:39overcome. But to me, things like stun
103. 3:41grenades, things like razor wire, things
104. 3:44like I don't know, time slow mines, you
105. 3:47know, where you get stuck in a mine and
106. 3:49your movement is
107. 3:51lowered or whatever. Stuff like this
108. 3:53makes it hard
109. 3:56for your opponent to do all their fun
110. 3:58stuff. And when I play game like this, I
111. 4:00want as much fun stuff happening as
112. 4:02possible. And maybe from your
113. 4:04perspective, doing a slowing mine is a
114. 4:06fun thing, but I think it just slows the
115. 4:09game down, makes it less exciting, and
116. 4:12prevents, you know, half of the models
117. 4:14on the board from doing more fun, cool
118. 4:16things, getting into fights, you know,
119. 4:18getting into position to shoot. Um lots
120. 4:20of rules are like this, you know, rules
121. 4:23that, you know, auras of no rerolls,
122. 4:25auras of um turning off whatever rule
123. 4:28that you have, you know? So, that's one
124. 4:30direction they've taken the design space
125. 4:33lately. I'm not sure I'm in love with.
126. 4:35It's my opinion. Maybe a lots of people
127. 4:37disagree. I don't know. I'd be really
128. 4:38interested actually to
129. 4:40um hear your thoughts in the comments.
130. 4:42Yeah. For me, uh that represents a bit
131. 4:45of an accessibility issue as well. And I
132. 4:46don't I don't mean accessibility in
133. 4:48terms of like the game being available
134. 4:50to everyone. I mean accessibility in
135. 4:52terms of like getting started in the
136. 4:53game because I feel like so much of what
137. 4:56makes a good Kill Team player now is
138. 4:58just being someone who has studied all
139. 5:01of the team's rules and like knows what
140. 5:03all of the other team's gotchas are
141. 5:05going to be going into it. And I think
142. 5:08that that is a bit of a shame because
143. 5:09it's like I mean I see
144. 5:12a post on Reddit every day it feels like
145. 5:15where someone says like, you know, I
146. 5:17like I'm just so sick of going and
147. 5:19getting dummy'd at my local game store
148. 5:22because like someone will show up with a
149. 5:24team I've never played and they just
150. 5:25like
151. 5:26dominate me because I don't know their
152. 5:28tricks, you know? Yeah. It almost feels
153. 5:30like and this is frankly Victor's point
154. 5:32that he's said to me a lot of times, you
155. 5:34know, unless you're like actually trying
156. 5:36to be a competitive tournament player,
157. 5:38it feels impossible
158. 5:40Yeah. to like know all the team's rules
159. 5:42well enough that you can reasonably play
160. 5:44around their stuff. Yeah, totally. I
161. 5:46mean like I think we are like among the
162. 5:49most invested Kill Team players out
163. 5:51there. We have played as or against
164. 5:54every single team, right? Because we
165. 5:55have them all between the two of us.
166. 5:57And I still feel like when I go into a
167. 5:59game against most teams, it's like, "Oh,
168. 6:01what is their again? Like what What
169. 6:04are you going to do to me? Just remind
170. 6:05me." Yeah. Um Now, I wanted to say it
171. 6:08certain and truthfully, but I want to
172. 6:09say maybe this is a problem that doesn't
173. 6:12really exist in the wild. Maybe it only
174. 6:14exists for us because we're playing so
175. 6:16many teams on camera and we've gone to
176. 6:19like leagues and tournaments. Maybe the
177. 6:21average Joe is just, you know, they have
178. 6:24one team, their friend has one team, and
179. 6:27they just both know each other's teams,
180. 6:28and that's all they're playing. You
181. 6:30know, maybe their pool of teams they
182. 6:31actually play against in the real world
183. 6:34is very small and this isn't a real
184. 6:36problem. Yeah. So, maybe that's like a
185. 6:37problem that only we see or only a
186. 6:40select few amount of people see.
187. 6:41Absolutely. Worth noting that, I think.
188. 6:44>> Yeah.
189. 6:45Here's another counterpoint that I want
190. 6:46to bring up. I
191. 6:48think that the online discourse
192. 6:51sometimes can do a great disservice to
193. 6:54how people feel, right? I think that's
194. 6:57not a secret. Everybody knows like
195. 7:00the internet can be a toxic place
196. 7:01sometimes, but I think
197. 7:04um
198. 7:05you know,
199. 7:06so many of the content creators and also
200. 7:10so much of like Reddit discussion, etc.
201. 7:13about this game
202. 7:15comes at it from a competitive point of
203. 7:16view.
204. 7:18I'm not sure why that is because I
205. 7:21am pretty confident that the vast
206. 7:23majority of players who play Kill Team
207. 7:25don't play it competitively, but it
208. 7:27seems to dominate online discourse. At
209. 7:30times, we have been a part of that. I
210. 7:32think recently we've been trying to get
211. 7:34away from the competitive side of
212. 7:36things. Um but I wonder
213. 7:40and I've I've asked this question to
214. 7:42Victor.
215. 7:44How would we view the game differently
216. 7:47if we had never read anything about it
217. 7:49online? If we just, you know, came into
218. 7:51it completely fresh, got the box, opened
219. 7:53it up, read the rules, and looked at
220. 7:55what's inside? Because
221. 7:57they have been putting like narrative
222. 8:00type stuff in boxes lately. You know,
223. 8:02there was a whole campaign system inside
224. 8:05the box with the stealth suits and the
225. 8:08Space Wolf Scouts.
226. 8:11There have been like, you know,
227. 8:13a bunch of Necrons and a whole like
228. 8:15campaign with the Tomb World release.
229. 8:19Lots of other things in the boxes. And I
230. 8:23wonder if everyone just defaults to
231. 8:25approved ops
232. 8:27just because they feel like that's what
233. 8:31people do. But I wonder if that thought
234. 8:33only exists because of the online
235. 8:35discourse. You know what I mean?
236. 8:36>> Yeah, I do. But I think like it's
237. 8:39hard to play like a narrative game using
238. 8:43like the weird stuff. Like with a
239. 8:45stranger at the local game store, you
240. 8:47know? Whereas if you're like just a
241. 8:49person with a kill team and you want to
242. 8:51play and you go play a pick up game,
243. 8:53like matched play is the easiest way to
244. 8:55just like start a game with someone. You
245. 8:57know what I mean? I do think too like
246. 9:00that doesn't really account for the
247. 9:01rules density. Like it's
248. 9:03>> 100%. That's what I mean. It's like and
249. 9:05that's why it's a shame that matched
250. 9:06play is what it is. Is what I mean, you
251. 9:07know? Like it's hard to just go and play
252. 9:09a nice game. Yeah, and I
253. 9:12have been thinking a lot about
254. 9:14other games that we like playing,
255. 9:15especially skirmish games. I think a lot
256. 9:16about Warcry. Warcry is not a perfect
257. 9:19game to me. There are lots of things
258. 9:20that aren't my favorite about it. But I
259. 9:22really really really like Warcry. And
260. 9:26there's a couple things Warcry has that
261. 9:28Kill Team lacks. If you don't play
262. 9:30Warcry,
263. 9:31one of those things is really really
264. 9:34really compelling list builders.
265. 9:35>> Oh, it's the best, yeah. I really miss
266. 9:37in Kill Team um there's basically no
267. 9:41list building. I mean, some teams have
268. 9:43some very limited list building, but
269. 9:45really no, there's not list building.
270. 9:49The The list building in Warcry is so
271. 9:50fun because not only is it just a
272. 9:53points-based system where you can like
273. 9:55mix and match any of the operatives from
274. 9:58the same faction,
275. 10:00but you got the stuff from like bespoke
276. 10:04warbands, you got the stuff from the
277. 10:06huge huge compendium, and then also
278. 10:10there's the four grand alliances in Age
279. 10:12of Sigmar, Order, uh Chaos, Destruction,
280. 10:14and Death, right? And you can ally in
281. 10:17hero models from other factions if
282. 10:20they're under the same umbrella of big
283. 10:22alliance. So, you know, there's so many
284. 10:25opportunities for interesting like
285. 10:27narrative warbands and theming your
286. 10:30warbands. Like, I had my Wildercore
287. 10:32Hunters and I painted up Sylvaneth Yeah.
288. 10:35>> with them because it was like the forest
289. 10:37rangers and then they had actual trees
290. 10:39helping them. It was so cool. I loved
291. 10:41that. Kill Team doesn't have any of
292. 10:43that, really. I mean, you can proxy.
293. 10:44People do amazing things with proxies
294. 10:47and conversions, and that's still all
295. 10:49there, but it's not the same. No, and
296. 10:51like the difference is that like yeah,
297. 10:53you can do like a cool Stormcast proxy
298. 10:55of Raveners, for instance, which you
299. 10:58know, I've That's just one I've seen
300. 10:59online recently and thought like, yeah,
301. 11:00that's cool as hell.
302. 11:02Um
303. 11:02but you're still like the rules of the
304. 11:04team are the same, whereas with Warcry
305. 11:07and the list building, like there's a
306. 11:09mechanical way for you to have like your
307. 11:12team with your lord, you know, where
308. 11:14it's like So, Brad's Cities of Sigmar
309. 11:17guys have Sylvaneth allies, and that's
310. 11:19not just like using different models to
311. 11:21represent it. It's like that's There's
312. 11:23mechanics in the game. Yeah. Um that
313. 11:26make use of that. I think like that's
314. 11:28That's just one of the things that's so
315. 11:30strong about Warcry. Yeah, another thing
316. 11:32is that the rules are so much simpler.
317. 11:35Yeah. Um
318. 11:37you know, if you're coming in to a game
319. 11:39of Warcry and you have no idea about
320. 11:41your opponent's team, yeah, you can just
321. 11:43look and see like six abilities,
322. 11:47like two sentences each. You can read it
323. 11:49over in a couple of minutes
324. 11:52and you're not going to get gotcha'd. It
325. 11:53just it doesn't really exist in this
326. 11:55game. Well, and so much of the game is
327. 11:59determined by randomness
328. 12:01that you often, if you're going to get
329. 12:04got, you're getting got by the game
330. 12:08instead of your opponent.
331. 12:09>> I Another thing, too, this kind of goes
332. 12:10back to the list building, but I feel
333. 12:12like
334. 12:14I don't know if we've talked about this
335. 12:15on the channel, but I think a lot of
336. 12:16people watching this might have heard of
337. 12:18like the three archetypes of player.
338. 12:21There's like what, Timmy and
339. 12:23>> Timmy, Johnny, and Spike. Yeah, so I
340. 12:25think Johnny is the comp guy, right?
341. 12:27>> No, Spike is.
342. 12:28>> Spike is the competitive guy? I feel
343. 12:30like the other two archetypes aren't so
344. 12:33supported in Kill Team. Like Warcry, you
345. 12:36can go and try like crazy weird combo
346. 12:39lists that are probably bad, but like
347. 12:42you might pull off something crazy and
348. 12:44it's like wild to try it out. You know,
349. 12:46like one in six games you might pull off
350. 12:48a crazy combo. Yeah.
351. 12:50I feel like Kill Team just doesn't
352. 12:52really have that. Or and so that's like
353. 12:54the Johnny thing. And then similarly
354. 12:57with Warcry, you could also bring five
355. 13:00goblins and a gargant just to like smash
356. 13:04with a giant
357. 13:05>> Yeah, and I feel like even like the
358. 13:06smashy teams in Kill Team aren't like
359. 13:09they're still complicated. Like what
360. 13:11would that be? Lizardmen. Reka crew,
361. 13:13Angels of Death, Deathwatch, like
362. 13:16they're they're still pretty
363. 13:17complicated. And I feel like the game
364. 13:21kind of incentivizes like you have to
365. 13:23play carefully. Like it it so punishes
366. 13:26going for just like a fun, I just want
367. 13:28to smash you then you just get wrecked
368. 13:30but if like your opponent wants to wreck
369. 13:32you and knows what they're doing. Yeah.
370. 13:33>> You know, um but maybe that's just
371. 13:37an us problem. Like I don't really know.
372. 13:39It seems like it's not but maybe it is.
373. 13:42Maybe it's just like we've been
374. 13:45like exposed to the competitive approved
375. 13:48ops mindset for so long that we've just
376. 13:51like
377. 13:52we've done it to ourselves and it's hard
378. 13:54to say. Also going back to a point you
379. 13:55made earlier about like the online
380. 13:57discourse being part of this. There's
381. 13:59been a few times where we have received
382. 14:01boxes early obviously
383. 14:03and we've played the battle report
384. 14:04between the two teams before everyone
385. 14:07else releases their thoughts on the game
386. 14:09because you know if we are all releasing
387. 14:12our stuff at the same time we filmed the
388. 14:13battle report two weeks before and so we
389. 14:16have existed in our own bubble during
390. 14:18that time and you know like the team
391. 14:21that everyone thought was like broken
392. 14:24has lost to the team that everyone
393. 14:27thought was going to be bad because
394. 14:29we're just like two guys reading the
395. 14:32rules and interpreting them how we do
396. 14:33right? It's like in the example I always
397. 14:34think of is
398. 14:37uh you know stealth suits beat wolf
399. 14:38scouts in our first game. I think that
400. 14:41if we had had to go through two weeks of
401. 14:44everyone analyzing the minutia of every
402. 14:47like piece of punctuation in the rules
403. 14:49beforehand we probably would have played
404. 14:50it differently and it probably would
405. 14:52have been a more samey result like
406. 14:54everyone else's you know? And I think it
407. 14:56was like
408. 14:57it was a perfect example of how these
409. 14:59games can exist in a much happier space
410. 15:02in an unplugged world. Here's one okay
411. 15:04just to bring it back. I you know stick
412. 15:07with me because some of you might be
413. 15:09rolling your eyes. I'm getting old okay
414. 15:11but back in my day
415. 15:13can't believe I'm uttering those words
416. 15:14on the internet and I'm only 31 but
417. 15:16already I'm saying back in my day
418. 15:19I used to play video games a lot when I
419. 15:22was a kid, right? I would play I was
420. 15:24Okay, I was big into MMOs. I played a
421. 15:27lot of RuneScape back in the day. I
422. 15:29played World of Warcraft and some other
423. 15:31games, but the thing was, I'm getting to
424. 15:33the point.
425. 15:35Back in the day, people would just,
426. 15:37you know, it was the game was full of
427. 15:40people just running around not knowing
428. 15:42what they're doing, you know? People
429. 15:44would have jank builds. People wouldn't
430. 15:47be like trying to level up as fast as
431. 15:49possible. People would just be like, you
432. 15:51know, enjoying the game for what it was.
433. 15:54And it seems like at some point in the
434. 15:582010s,
435. 16:00society or like at least gaming society,
436. 16:02and I count this as mostly video games,
437. 16:05but also clearly tabletop games,
438. 16:09society has started to optimize the fun
439. 16:12Yeah.
440. 16:12>> out of the games. And it's like
441. 16:14everyone's obsessed with like
442. 16:16optimizing,
443. 16:18having the best build, you know, being
444. 16:20as efficient as possible. I'm saying
445. 16:22everyone, it's not everybody, but I feel
446. 16:24like there's this tendency now to just
447. 16:25optimize the fun out of everything. And
448. 16:29I just miss when people were just
449. 16:30messing around. Yeah. I think that I had
450. 16:35that experience a lot later, because so,
451. 16:38I don't know if you know this, I didn't
452. 16:39have a Reddit account until we started
453. 16:41this channel. Did you go on Reddit and
454. 16:43just as a guest? No.
455. 16:44>> I didn't. Because I I've like never been
456. 16:46interested in hearing how other people
457. 16:48play the games that I play. Yeah. Um but
458. 16:51an example of this is they re-released
459. 16:53Tony Hawk Pro Skater uh a couple years
460. 16:55ago, and my brother and I were like,
461. 16:57"Oh, man, that's sick. We love Tony Hawk
462. 16:59Pro Skater." And we like downloaded it,
463. 17:01hopped into a lobby, and there were like
464. 17:03Pro Skater min-maxers. And it's like,
465. 17:05"What the hell? That's not how you play
466. 17:07this game."
467. 17:08>> that's gross. And yeah, and so it's all
468. 17:10just the same pile of dog Um and
469. 17:13capitalism has probably caused this.
470. 17:16Let's talk about why we're excited
471. 17:19for some upcoming Kill Team.
472. 17:20>> Yeah, okay. Well, first of all, I just
473. 17:21want to say like all that to say, all
474. 17:23the first like whatever 10 20 minutes of
475. 17:25this video, however long it's been, all
476. 17:26that to say, one, are they still making
477. 17:29this game for us? Is it now just for
478. 17:31competitive players and it's not for us
479. 17:32anymore? Or are we inflicting that upon
480. 17:35ourselves? Can we approach the game
481. 17:36differently? Is that putting a square
482. 17:38hole in a round peg?
483. 17:40Or
484. 17:42is that actually just on us, you know?
485. 17:44Do you know what I'm saying? I don't
486. 17:46know if that's clear. Hopefully that
487. 17:46makes sense. But what are we looking
488. 17:48forward to? I'm really looking forward
489. 17:50to the new narrative box, Taron Devlin,
490. 17:53I think it's called, and um the Nemesis
491. 17:56Ops book. Absolutely. I think we are
492. 17:59going to just like do video after video
493. 18:01of fighting bosses and some of them
494. 18:04don't even seem like huge like mega
495. 18:06bosses, but like the two models they
496. 18:09showed off, the Zoat and what's the
497. 18:11other thing called? Oh, yeah.
498. 18:12>> the thing with the bugs on it? Yeah. The
499. 18:14blue guy? I don't know what it's called.
500. 18:16>> Yeah. Like they're like not mega bosses,
501. 18:19they're like medium, you know?
502. 18:21>> And one thing that I absolutely
503. 18:25love about it, uh leave it in, is that
504. 18:28they are Warhammer 40,000 models that
505. 18:31people already have. That was such a
506. 18:33strength of old Kill Team where you're
507. 18:35trying to get someone into the game
508. 18:37that's already like invested in
509. 18:38Warhammer and you could say like, "Yeah,
510. 18:39yeah, if you play Eldar, you can just
511. 18:41like bring that squad of Storm Guardians
512. 18:43to play, you know?" As opposed to like
513. 18:45go to the store and buy a Kill Team
514. 18:47thing that you normally would have
515. 18:48walked past. It's like a much harder
516. 18:49sell. But to like introduce a way back
517. 18:52into the game of like, "Oh, yeah, we can
518. 18:53play Kill Team. Bring your Dreadnought."
519. 18:55Like that's cool, you know?
520. 18:56>> Yeah. Um and I think that that is such
521. 18:59an important uh accessibility piece for
522. 19:01the growth of the game. I'm so excited
523. 19:04about that box and the Nemesis Ops
524. 19:06stuff.
525. 19:07Um like Brad said, we're going to we're
526. 19:09going to jump headfirst into that stuff.
527. 19:11>> Yeah. Um I think also like we've been
528. 19:15doing our own weird stuff. You know,
529. 19:17we've been adding weird rules
530. 19:20to our Kill Team games. We did that
531. 19:22game. We were on the exploding gantries
532. 19:25with all like the Yeah, love that.
533. 19:27>> What was it like um geysers exploding?
534. 19:29>> Yeah. We've done streams where there's
535. 19:33like rogue score pack destroyers like
536. 19:36being activated by chat going around and
537. 19:38merking both of our sides. Yeah. What
538. 19:40else? What other weird rules have we
539. 19:42done? We've done the Angron boss battle.
540. 19:43Yep. Um we've done There's lots of weird
541. 19:46stuff.
542. 19:47>> terrain, weird rules.
543. 19:48>> Yeah. Um so I'm excited to more of that
544. 19:51stuff. I'd love to hear
545. 19:53how you are feeling because I don't
546. 19:55think that our community, our like
547. 19:57Mountain Side Tabletop people,
548. 20:00are necessarily the like competitive
549. 20:03Reddit community exclusively.
550. 20:04>> Can I tell a quick side story, too? We
551. 20:07have I'm not going to name names, of
552. 20:09course, but we have There's someone we
553. 20:11know in our community, a friend of ours,
554. 20:12and
555. 20:13they
556. 20:15got into Kill Team, started casually,
557. 20:18got into the competitive side, got
558. 20:20really into the competitive side, so
559. 20:22much so they won a golden ticket to go
560. 20:24to Worlds. They went to Worlds, competed
561. 20:28in the world championship of Kill Team
562. 20:30last year, and Victor, you said
563. 20:32something like they said, "Man, I'm done
564. 20:34with this because everyone just plays
565. 20:35the same three teams and it's so
566. 20:36tryhard." Yeah. And they're over it.
567. 20:39Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what
568. 20:41that really says, but I thought it was
569. 20:43funny. Yeah, I think there's probably a
570. 20:44high burnout rate in competitive gaming.
571. 20:47This is like probably been our most
572. 20:48negative video, and we've like really
573. 20:50tried to stay away from this sort of
574. 20:52thing in the past, and I don't want this
575. 20:53to come across as like I hate Kill Team.
576. 20:55And we don't. And like elites are
577. 20:57ruining the game. I don't I don't care
578. 20:58about balance. I do not care about the
579. 21:01balance of Kill Team.
580. 21:03Uh because I don't play my teams
581. 21:06to their maximum strength. And so,
582. 21:08balance doesn't matter. Balance is more
583. 21:10between me and the person I'm playing
584. 21:12with than our teams. I can lose with
585. 21:14Deathwatch. Is Deathwatch even a good
586. 21:15team anymore? I don't know. Yeah, I
587. 21:17would just I would love to come into a
588. 21:18game of Kill Team and not feel like I
589. 21:23was going to be like mentally exhausted
590. 21:25by the end of it, you know? Yeah, or go
591. 21:27into a game of Kill Team excited to see
592. 21:29how the person pilots them and think
593. 21:31like, "Oh, I've never thought of
594. 21:34building a team like that before."
595. 21:35>> Yeah, I don't know. I I doubt this is
596. 21:38going to happen. I would love for the
597. 21:39next edition of Kill Team to like expand
598. 21:42the list building possibilities. I don't
599. 21:45get the impression that's going to
600. 21:45happen, but it would be nice because
601. 21:47yeah, that's another interesting thing
602. 21:49about other games with list building.
603. 21:50You get to play against someone's weird
604. 21:52list and it's just a interesting to see
605. 21:55what they've got going on. But, you
606. 21:57know, how many times have you played
607. 21:58against the exact same loadout of, you
608. 22:01know, whatever team, Deathwatch. So.
609. 22:03Plus or minus. And that's one of the
610. 22:05more flexible teams. All right, anyway,
611. 22:07I think we're done here. We do not hate
612. 22:08Kill Team. I actually really love Kill
613. 22:10Team. We just got to figure out how to
614. 22:13make it fun for us again. Yeah, make
615. 22:15Kill Team great again. Jesus. All right,
616. 22:18uh we'll see you soon. We are going to
617. 22:19do a lot of stuff with the new box and
618. 22:22some stuff before the new box. See you
619. 22:23in the next one.
620. 22:24>> definitely let us know in the bottom in
621. 22:26the comments what your thoughts are all
622. 22:28about this. Thanks to our 1HP gangsters
623. 22:29and mountain goats.
624. 22:31Um
625. 22:33go check out our painting videos that we
626. 22:35posted. I thought they were good videos,
627. 22:36but like No one watched them.
628. 22:37>> No one watched them. Yeah. Yeah, they're
629. 22:39they're fun.
630. 22:40All right. See you.
631. 22:41>> Goodbye.
632. 22:43>> [snorts]
633. 22:45[music]
634. 22:51[music]
635. 23:03[music]
636. 23:12>> Mhm.