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Is Feminism Truly for Gender Equality? PART 2 | Fred Hayward | Outtakes from "The Red Pill" — Transcript

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0:05[Music]
0:14there was the case the Serpico case you
0:19might be too young to the movie Serpico
0:21Adele you know there's about a New York
0:23City undercover cop and he exposes
0:25police corruption and gets shot at the
0:30end of the movie it's a really good
0:32movie with help it you know if he gets
0:33shot at the end of the movie and retires
0:35from the police force and he was a real
0:37man Frank Serpico a woman after the
0:40movie after this was made decided she
0:43wanted to become a single mother and
0:44tricked him into fathering a child and
0:46the court accepted that because she told
0:49her friends she was going to trick them
0:51and they testified and the court said
0:52yes you were tricked into it and still
0:55awarded her over 90 percent of his
0:58police pension so everything that he
0:59goes through in this movie took two you
1:02know including getting shot to earn his
1:04pension she won by sleeping with him one
1:06night and when this became a legal issue
1:10I remember one fan I think she was the
1:14president of the New York Chapter of now
1:16this this case was in New York so they
1:18went to her for a quote and she said if
1:22he didn't want to be a parent he
1:25shouldn't have sex which is exactly the
1:28pro-life argument you know if you say
1:30that so what do we need a portion for if
1:32you don't want to be parent don't have
1:33sets well that option is not that's not
1:35a good alternative for women but for men
1:38that's perfectly okay and all the
1:39arguments against men having the same
1:41kind of choices are just rewording zuv
1:44the pro-life movement and all the
1:46arguments against joint custody are just
1:48rewarding zuv the arguments that we use
1:51to keep women from careers so what do
1:54you think the solution is for male
1:57reproductive rights I've you know you
2:01have to again we there's then we have to
2:04have this discussion what's best for
2:06people and personally I am pro-choice
2:09you know personally I feel that
2:12the whole argument for a paternity suit
2:15is that hey you got a pregnant it's not
2:18fair to leave you her stuck with the
2:20problem and that argument has been
2:22updated ever since Rafi way because you
2:25didn't leave her stuck with the argument
2:27you left her with a choice a decision
2:28and if she makes the decision you know I
2:32don't care what your views are on this I
2:34want to have a child as she has that
2:36power to say I want to be a parent then
2:39she needs to take the responsibility of
2:41taking care of it she can't stick
2:42somebody else she can't you know we
2:44can't have that we can't say it's it's
2:46too much of a burden for a woman to have
2:48nine months of parental care into and
2:50then give the child up for adoption she
2:52should be able to get out of it even
2:54before nine months but a man should be
2:56stuck for eighteen years and have an you
2:58know note no control over it he should
3:00be able to and and this is you know
3:02privately a lot of feminists agree with
3:04with this logic but publicly they're
3:06just getting too much traction with it
3:08but there are some feminists who did
3:11Karen de Crowe who was a national
3:14president of the National Organization
3:15for Women became Serpico's attorney so
3:19they're you know there are people who
3:21recognize that there are there are
3:24people who feel the egalitarianism is a
3:27principle and feminism is a principle
3:29but most of the feminist leaders do not
3:32really subscribe to the principle they
3:35use the principle as part of an argument
3:36but they'll rationalize their way out of
3:38it you know at a moment's notice and
3:41when I look at the political landscape I
3:43really think the most sexist entity in
3:48the political spectrum or feminist
3:50leaders they're the most blatantly
3:52sexist of any of the leaders you know
3:55they're the ones who are saying we
3:58should allocate health care according
4:00you know the health care dollars
4:01according to gender as long as women get
4:03more of it we should have health
4:08agencies you know just for women but not
4:11for men we should vote you should
4:14consider gender when you vote for a
4:15candidate as long as you're voting for a
4:17woman but don't vote against a woman
4:19that would be sexist
4:21you know it don't vote for a man because
4:22he's a man but you can't vote for a
4:24woman because she's a woman they're you
4:26know they're they're so blatant about it
4:28hey I guess the argument I'm trying to
4:33think of what would be the argument
4:34against them I guess the argument
4:36against it would be saying that well
4:38women have suffered for so many years
4:40that they're trying to catch up
4:42basically so what would you say to that
4:44that it's not true because we've been
4:46left out of that discussion then men
4:48have also suffered for many we have a
4:51long list of issues that would be the
4:54number one priority of the Equal Rights
4:55Movement if they affected women as
4:57directly as they affected men one of
5:00them that were now talking about is is
5:03abortion that the total lack of choice
5:05that men have we have far fewer choices
5:07than women had even before abortion was
5:10legalized another one was the draft that
5:13I mentioned healthcare there's another
5:16one is if the male life expectancy four
5:21or six years whatever it is now before
5:24men instead of six years after man that
5:26would be the number one health issue of
5:28our time that would be on the news every
5:29gender genocide would be in the news
5:31every night but as it is if you googled
5:35low male life expectancy I haven't done
5:38this lately but you know I'm sure if you
5:41did it from say the period of 1970 to
5:432005 anyway I bet 95 percent of the time
5:48you read the article of whatever comes
5:51up and it's about how low male life
5:55expectancy hurts women you know that the
5:57poverty rate for widows the low there
6:00aren't enough eligible men women are
6:02elderly women are lonely because there
6:04aren't enough men around you know things
6:05like that
6:06we can't even die and get credit for
6:08having problems but it's a true I mean
6:14it's like dying is one more thing men do
6:16to make life tough on women conspiracy
6:21get it together so women don't suffer so
6:23much so I want to come back to the draft
6:26because I've brought this topic up to a
6:29couple people while talking about this
6:31documentary and
6:32like immense rights what do they need
6:33rights for and so there were a list of
6:35things that I found really fascinating
6:36it like the male reproductive rights
6:39that they they virtually don't really
6:40have any and then the draft and whenever
6:43I bring up the draft people say well
6:46that's not an effect anymore the draft
6:47isn't sitting around anymore
6:48and then I say but still at 18 years old
6:51men have to register for the draft what
6:55would you say to that argument that well
6:57the draft doesn't really count anymore
6:58because it's not around okay well one
7:01thing is that even if if the president
7:04using that example you know said we
7:06might need daycares more daycare centers
7:11and preschools and so just in case I
7:13want all women to register their bodies
7:15for the you know that that would be
7:19horrendous that and it's it's signing
7:24over control when you register for the
7:26draft you sign over sovereignty of your
7:29body I taught a course I was telling you
7:32before that I had no game plan when I
7:34started this and so one of the things I
7:36did was teach the probably the first
7:39college-level course on men's issues
7:41what Tufts University and that those are
7:44smart students you know Tufts is a good
7:46school and I did it really because I
7:48wanted there was research I needed to
7:51sign it you have for class full of free
7:55researchers and it worked out to be good
7:58because then suddenly I became you know
8:00a visiting lecturer at Tufts University
8:01that added more credibility to what I
8:03was saying and I didn't even think of
8:05that that I just wanted some research
8:06done but I started out one of the
8:09classes by saying I don't understand
8:12this fuss women are making about
8:14rape I mean it's over so fast a lot its
8:16I know women who you know fantasize
8:19about it and like what's the big deal
8:22and people gave me all the you know
8:28those arguments against what the
8:30ridiculous thing that I just said and
8:32they were talking about how but you lose
8:33control over your body you're forced to
8:36do things against your will you're
8:37afraid you know you think you might die
8:39even if you don't you know they just
8:41went on and on with all the things that
8:42I said okay
8:44today's taught today's class is actually
8:47not about rape today's class is about
8:49the draft everything you said about rape
8:51is what the draft is that's what it does
8:53to your body you know you're the
8:56government decides what your body will
8:58do what your body will wear and where
9:00it's going to do it your body if the
9:02government decides to can send you into
9:03danger it can have you killed you can be
9:06scared you know and traumatic
9:08traumatized for the rest of your life
9:10the government decides all of these
9:12things and you have no control over it
9:17and when feminism started the draft was
9:22very very real the Vietnam was war was
9:25going on men were being drafted you know
9:27so eighteen year old women were
9:30protesting the streets talking about you
9:32know the lack of decision over there
9:35their themselves lack of control over my
9:37body myself and Menken to anything and
9:39their peers were being forced into the
9:42Ananta fight for their lives so do you
9:47think you kind of
10:00so I wouldn't bring something else's a
10:03little bit tangent from what we've been
10:05talking about so I do want to come back
10:06to what I've been talking about but this
10:09just came to mind and I wanted to see
10:11your take on this so are you ready good
10:15so all these arguments for not arguments
10:19but all these men's issues that you
10:22bring up that are really important that
10:23that people should be passing that are
10:26less legislation for and all these
10:28things they're all you know valid
10:31arguments that don't that are
10:32underreported in the media these men's
10:36issues and the progress that feminism
10:39has made it you said you're a pro-choice
10:41I mean it's great progress for women so
10:44so you're not necessarily putting down
10:46women and feminism and what they've done
10:48for women you're just saying that
10:51there's another side to the coin is that
10:54what you're saying or or do you think
10:55that feminism has made bad progress it's
11:01it's it has made a lot of mistakes there
11:03are a lot of policies that are mistaken
11:05and it's it's also been fighting against
11:11you know not just being silent about
11:14men's issues but fighting against them
11:17like joint custody you know they're
11:19lobbying vigorously against it when they
11:22should be Karen de crow the former
11:25president of now that I mentioned she's
11:27she said we should be jamming it down
11:29men's throat so we shouldn't be fighting
11:31against it because women will never
11:33compete as equals with men on the job
11:35market as long as they have the extra
11:37burden of child care they need just to
11:39share it and and the men's rights all
11:42the men's rights people that I know of
11:45are supportive of women's issues one of
11:50the big I'm going to get back to this in
11:51a second one of the major differences
11:54between what I would call the
11:56egalitarianism and what feminism is that
12:00is is doing is that
12:03feminists look at men and women as
12:05basically competitors were basically
12:07opposites we feel powerless so you must
12:09feel powerful you know we if if we help
12:14you
12:15you're hurting us you know we have to
12:17catch up as the way you put it and I
12:21think that's a fundamental mistake I
12:23think the basic relationship between men
12:26and women is not one of competition it's
12:30one of interdependence and so by
12:33opposing work on men's issues
12:37there's no way women well you know we
12:39can't we we have to do this together and
12:42and men's rights people that I know of
12:45understand that so even if women didn't
12:49want to equally we would be insisting on
12:52it we don't want that extra burden we we
12:55recognize that's an extra burden for us
12:57if if if you and I are in a relationship
13:00and you can only make 77% of what I can
13:04make then it makes sense when we have
13:06children make sense for you to stay home
13:08and for me to work twice as many hours I
13:10don't want that's not the option that I
13:13want you know I want I want to be able
13:15to have the option of saying well let's
13:16both you know share this joy of raising
13:19children and then if the relationships
13:21breaks down you get custody now I have
13:25two households to support because of
13:27this so-called advantage you know so we
13:29don't see that as an advantage but
13:31feminism too much you know when FEM ms
13:35magazine had an article I remember about
13:38joint custody and my women should oppose
13:41it and what they said was that children
13:45are a bargaining chip was the phrase
13:47they use in in a divorce for a better or
13:50better financial settlement you know
13:54they they don't see that okay we're in
13:58this together we we need for feminism by
14:03putting down mens ish issues and trying
14:05to work towards equality it's it's like
14:08you you
14:10nailing your right foot to the ground
14:12and then trying to walk to the other
14:14side of the room you can't you you have
14:16to walk together you can't do it it's
14:19very good point never really thought
14:20about it like that that men want women
14:22to succeed so because if you're a
14:25relationship that's you're together in
14:27it now you're a team
14:29I guess feminists would say that and
14:33that and that's why you know some of the
14:35statistics really on on equal pay to are
14:42not really you if you want to measure
14:45someone standard of living you don't
14:46measure what they earn you measure what
14:48they consume and because men and women
14:50are in relationships woman's rate of
14:53consumption equals or surpasses men's
14:56rate of consumption you know if you look
14:57at health care dollars at entertainment
15:01personal products that you know if
15:06you're not if if you're not making any
15:10money and you were still living in the
15:12same house you know it's not like
15:14black-white relation you know if the
15:17average white is work is earning more
15:19than the average black that that does
15:21say something a lot more direct about
15:24what a black standard of living is but
15:26not for men and women we're in this
15:27together
15:28and that's why when I was talking about
15:30the rewards that women get from raising
15:33children it's um if we're it if we're in
15:37a marriage you're getting the same
15:39financial reward and I want that option
15:43I guess one of I just thought of
15:51something
15:56because I mentioned affirmative action
15:58before and I one of the ways that I like
16:01to challenge people with whether they
16:03believe in a principle or not do you
16:05really believe in the principle of
16:07affirmative action as I'll say raising
16:10children is a legit legitimate work
16:12doesn't it's not only legitimate and
16:14important I mean the women who were
16:15staying home raising they're not
16:16deadbeats are they there they're
16:17performing you know yeah that's
16:19legitimate work there is a documented
16:25history of discrimination against men in
16:28this work right because the custody used
16:31we used to have the tender years
16:33doctrine women would mothers would
16:34automatically get custody unless they
16:36were proven unfit that's that's
16:38documented history yeah
16:41statistically this still persists right
16:44women are still getting custody nineteen
16:46eighty five ninety percent of the time
16:48yeah okay those are the three things you
16:50need for to kick in an affirmative
16:52action program we have a career we have
16:55a documented history of discrimination
16:57and statistically the pattern can
16:59persists are you prepared to take
17:01affirmative action to increase the
17:03number of men raising children are you
17:05prepared to tell judges you know to
17:08favor fathers until things equal out and
17:11don't say I can't find enough fathers
17:13who are qualified you have to train them
17:15the way affirmative action works and you
17:18know 95 percent of people who say
17:20they're in favor of affirmative action
17:22suddenly say well no this is it's not
17:24not here you know this is too important
17:27Oh more important like brain surgery
17:28where we have affirmative action to get
17:31women in those schools more important
17:32you know it's it's most people really do
17:35not subscribe to the principles most
17:37most of the people who are calling
17:39themselves feminists and calling the
17:40shots or really have a have another
17:43agenda that's non equality and that's
17:46that's the problem that's why we haven't
17:48really solved there are a lot of
17:50feminists like Karen de Crowe who do
17:51believe in the principle but there are
17:53too many who don't and they they're in
17:55position of power
17:57you
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