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0:00When Netanyahu was the UN ambassador, a
0:03famous rabbi named Rabbi Minelson.
0:06So he said to Netanyahu, "What are you
0:08doing [music] to prepare the world? What
0:09are you doing to bring about the
0:10Messiah? Because there's only a few
0:12hours left."
0:19And Netanyahu, he referenced Purim. I
0:21mean, the attack on Iran was just before
0:23the holiday. So he's making that
0:25connection. He's making that connection.
0:26and the leadership in Iran, anyone who
0:28opposes the modern state of Israel uh is
0:31a Malachite and they're fair game when
0:33he said remember what Amalecch has done
0:35to you. So they already have the
0:37blueprints of the third temple.
0:39>> There's no reason why the miracle of the
0:41reestablishment of the temple on the
0:43temple mount is not possible.
0:44>> The sacrifice of the red heer was a
0:46necessary condition. [music]
0:47>> And you're saying it's taken place
0:48already?
0:49>> It's already happened. Yeah,
0:50>> it's already happened.
0:51>> Yeah, it's already happened. They
0:52sacrificed one. They said it was a test
0:54run, but I don't know if I really
0:56believe that it was a test run. It
0:59doesn't make sense to me. I don't find
1:00that very convincing.
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1:45In today's episode, we'll be unpacking
1:47the religious symbolism shaping the
1:49conflict in the world today. As the
1:52crisis unfolds between Iran and Israel,
1:54we examine how ancient scripture and end
1:57times prophecy are influencing the
1:59scenes we are witnessing today. Dr.
2:01Aliatai is a scholar of biblical
2:04hermeneutics whose work sits at the
2:06intersection of sacred languages,
2:08comparative theology and comparative
2:10literature at Zetuna College. He has
2:13guided students through Arabic, creed or
2:15the cre credo theology, comparative
2:17theology, the sciences of the Quran,
2:20introduction to the Quran, and seminal
2:21ancient texts, helping bridge classical
2:24traditions with contemporary questions.
2:26He completed his MA in biblical studies
2:28at the Pacific School of Religion in
2:302011 before before going on to earn his
2:33PhD in cultural and historical studies
2:35in religion from the Graduate
2:37Theological Union in 2016. And something
2:41that you may not know about Dr. Ali is
2:43that he's also a native Iranian speaking
2:47Persian, Greek, Arabic, and Hebrew. Dr.
2:51Ali, it's an absolute honor to have you
2:53on. We're so thrilled and happy to see
2:56you. How is everything?
3:01Everything is well. Thank you for having
3:02me.
3:04>> Dr. Ali, we've been watching your
3:06videos. We've learned so much from them.
3:08Um, again, it really is an honor to have
3:10have you here. How is your Ramadan?
3:12Let's How is your Ramadan going so far?
3:14>> Alhamdulillah, everything's going well.
3:16Ramadan's a blessed time. It's a welcome
3:18interruption to the routine of life, you
3:20know, to kind of reset, refocus on
3:23what's really important. So, mah,
3:24everything's going well.
3:26>> Mashallah.
3:26>> M. I would have to say that for me, it's
3:29personally an honor to have someone from
3:31your background join this podcast. You
3:33know, often we're joined by people who
3:34are wellversed in the Islamic tradition,
3:36but then to have someone who's also
3:38wellversed in the Christian tradition,
3:40the Jewish tradition, and also someone
3:42who's fluent in the languages. Um, I
3:44believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but
3:46you can read Aramaic.
3:49>> Yeah, we can read and write and and
3:52write. This is like a great privilege
3:54and a great honor to have someone from
3:56the Muslim background
3:57>> explore this world and also convey it to
3:59us. So, for joining us, Great.
4:03>> Alhamdulillah. Thank you for having me.
4:04It's an honor for me to be here.
4:05>> Alhamdulillah. Dr. Ali, I think it's
4:08important that we start at what's
4:10happening right now in the world.
4:12>> We're seeing a lot of biblical symbolism
4:16being evoked in regards to the recent
4:18crisis unfolding in Iran and between
4:22Iran and Israel. Sorry. We heard that um
4:25Netanyahu himself, he referenced the
4:28holiday of Purin, if I'm correct, and
4:31the Amalcch in regards to the recent
4:34attacks on Iran like they were somehow
4:37meant to be synonymous with the dates.
4:40Is this correct? And and why is such
4:42symbolism being evoked?
4:45>> Yeah.
4:50So, fur is is a is a holiday in Judaism
4:54um that really celebrates the rescue of
4:58um the Jews in ancient Persia. So, the
5:03story of Podium is detailed in the book
5:04of Esther which is in the Hebrew Bible.
5:06Now, most historians don't believe the
5:08book of Esther is actually uh uh
5:11historical. Uh they consider it a
5:14historical novella which is to say it's
5:15it's it's fiction. Uh there's no
5:17evidence that Xerxes, you know, had a
5:20Jewish wife named Esther. Heroditus
5:22doesn't mention anything like that. Uh
5:24but nonetheless, they believe that it's
5:25that it's historically accurate. Uh and
5:28so um Esther is the wife of Xerxes, the
5:31king of Persia, the fifth century B.C.E.
5:34Uh and then uh Xerxes has a minister
5:37named Hmon or Hammon, right? And Hammon,
5:41we're told, is an Agite. So what is an A
5:45>> Yes. about to ask my next question.
5:47[laughter]
5:48>> Yeah. So, an Agite apparently is a
5:51descendant of Agag and Agag was the king
5:55of the Amalachites or the king of
5:57Amalcch. So, this goes all the way back
5:59to the time of Saul, the first king of
6:02Israel, uh who was commanded by God as
6:06it were, uh I believe through the
6:08prophet Samuel to massacre all of the
6:10Amalachites. So, the Amalachites were
6:12the first group. Um, and it's a little
6:15bit uh ambiguous who exactly they are,
6:18but apparently there was a group who
6:19attacked the Israelites while they were
6:21in Sinai uh during um their time in the
6:25Sinai, their wanderings in the
6:26wilderness. Uh, and so God commanded
6:29them to um make war against the
6:31Amalachites and kill them. So, at one
6:32point Saul was told to kill all of them.
6:34For some reason, he spares a gag, the
6:37king of the Amalachites. Now later on
6:39he's killed but we're told somehow that
6:43Hmon who's a minister of Xerxes in the
6:45fifth century BCE in ancient Persia is
6:47somehow a descendant of a gag. Uh and so
6:51uh this is why you know uh the um the
6:55the Persian um uh powers as it were as
6:59it were want to wipe out all of the all
7:01of the Israelites in in Persia. And so
7:04uh Esther is able to persuade Xerxes
7:08with another man named Mori uh not to
7:11kill all the Jews of ancient Persia. And
7:14then this is celebrated uh through a
7:16festival called Purim. And so yeah,
7:18Netanyahu he he he mentioned uh he
7:22referenced Purim. I mean the I think the
7:24attack on Iran was just before the
7:27holiday. Yeah.
7:28>> I think Purim was on March 2nd or
7:30something like that. Just a few a couple
7:32of days ago. uh actually. So he's making
7:34that connection. He's making that
7:36connection. The leadership in Iran,
7:37anyone who opposes the modern state of
7:40Israel uh is a Malikite and their fair
7:42game. Anyone who uh agrees with the
7:45regime is critical of the modern state
7:47of Israel. So that's a dog whistle. A
7:49lot of people are waking up to that dog
7:50whistle. I mean, he he did the same
7:52thing uh October 29th, 2023,
7:56uh when he said, "Remember what Amalecch
7:58has done to you." Mhm.
7:59>> Uh and so for the uninitiated, they're
8:02thinking, well, just some weird sort of
8:04vague biblical reference, you know,
8:06whatever that means. Uh but we know that
8:08this is actually a call to genocide to
8:10kill me men, women, and children
8:12>> uh who disagree with um what he
8:16considers to be, you know, his
8:17understanding of of of Israel. Um
8:21>> so it's quite disturbing, I would say.
8:23So he's made reference to to Amalcch
8:25twice. finds in October of 2023 and once
8:28and and another time just recently.
8:30>> Uh Dr. Alia, I wanted to ask you on that
8:32topic like we've recently heard that
8:34Netanyahu himself is an irreligious
8:36person, someone who doesn't necessarily
8:38practice Judaism. I think Tucker Carlson
8:40mentioned that in a recent podcast and
8:42it wasn't debated. This man is not
8:44religious. So why is he um you know
8:48quoting scripture um referencing
8:50scripture in the name of um conducting
8:53some of the most demonic acts we've ever
8:55seen? They literally just bombed a
8:57school in Iran, killing 160 school girls
8:59and staff.
9:00>> Why would they be quoting scripture?
9:03>> Yeah, he's probably an atheist, but he
9:05has a religious base that he's trying to
9:07plate. And so you have, you know, this
9:10lood party. They're kahanists. They go
9:12back to this radical uh rabbi who was
9:16assassinated, Mayor Kahana. Uh so
9:19Kahanism has infiltrated Netanyahu's own
9:22party. So that's his sort of religious
9:23base. I think he's trying to plate his
9:25religious base even though he's not uh
9:27religious. So um Mayor Kahana, so for
9:30example, um uh Ben Gavir, right, who's
9:33in his, you know, close circle, um he's
9:36a kahanist. He has he used to actually
9:38have a a portrait in his office of of
9:41Baroo Goldstein. I don't know if you're
9:43familiar with Baroo Goldstein, but he
9:45was um an Israeli Zionist terrorist who
9:48murdered 29 Muslims worshiping at uh
9:52Masid Ibrahim Alisam. Uh it's called the
9:54the cave of the patriarchs massacre. He
9:57opened fire.
9:57>> Opened fire. Yes.
9:58>> In 1994. That's Baruk Goldstein. And he
10:01he injured hundreds more. And itir
10:04Bengavir used to have a portrait of him
10:06in his office. And Ben Gave right now uh
10:09is in the cabinet of Benjamin Netanyahu
10:11whose real name by the way is
10:13Milikowski. I mean these they're not
10:15really Jew they're not really Seemitic.
10:17I mean
10:18>> I would I'm willing to wager that if you
10:20did a DNA if he did a DNA test you you
10:22wouldn't find any Seemitic blood. And he
10:24doesn't believe in God either. So what's
10:26he doing in historical Palestine? He's a
10:29European uh colonist. Um but yeah, he
10:33changed his name to Netanyahu, which
10:35means given by God to, you know, sort of
10:37present himself as someone who's um I
10:40don't know, religious or something like
10:42that, someone that his base will uh will
10:44will accept. Um but that's I think
10:47that's the reason why he's doing it.
10:48Also, who knows? I mean, if if the war
10:51ends, he might be, you know, put under
10:53trial or something like that for for
10:55whatever if he's under investigation. So
10:57he actually benefits from a prolonged
10:59conflict
11:00>> uh right now. Uh but definitely there
11:03are people that are in his cabinet that
11:05are close to him uh that see this as a
11:08as a huge religious war and he's
11:11benefiting from that. It's keeping him
11:12in power. So So for example, one of the
11:15passages that they'll quote to is
11:17Ezekiel 38 and39. Right? This is a big
11:20topic right now uh among uh Zionist Jews
11:24as well as Zionist Christians. So,
11:26Ezekiel 38:39
11:28uh basically detail a future battle
11:30often called the war of Gog and Magog uh
11:33where a powerful enemy named Gog of Mog
11:37leads a coalition of nations uh to
11:40invade Israel and and God supernaturally
11:44uh intervenes and defeats Gog um you
11:48know demonstrating his power and
11:50sovereignty and the event is prophesized
11:52to occur in the latter days and of
11:54course the coalition against Israel
11:55according to those passages in Ezekiel
11:5838 and 39 includes Persia
12:00>> and so they're seeing uh Persia there as
12:03a fulfillment of what's happening right
12:04now uh with this conflict
12:08>> would that be the correlation uh goal to
12:10Jud Maj that we
12:13>> George Maj that we hear so would that be
12:15the is there correlation there
12:19>> yeah I think so I think it's the same I
12:21think it's the same uh Gog and Magog is
12:24Jew and Majj
12:25Um and there's actually um if you read
12:28those passages in 38 chapter 3839 of
12:31Ezekiel
12:32um there there's some correlation with
12:35uh with some of what we're told about
12:38Gog and Magog in the Quran uh as well as
12:41uh in the hadith. Um but uh if you read
12:46the context of those chap if you read
12:47those chapters very closely, it's not
12:49talking about current Persia. is talking
12:51about um some sort of uh Persia of the
12:55future.
12:56>> Um and we're told also in the hadith
12:58that that uh that an army of the
13:02antichrist will come from Persia. Um so
13:05it seems it seems like the the current
13:08regime in Iran will fall um and they'll
13:11be replaced by a regime that is much
13:13more congenial towards the whole Zionist
13:16project. M
13:17>> uh and then from there the army of the
13:19dhal will uh will basically be raised
13:22from our perspective.
13:24>> Well, I think we're going to come back
13:26to that conversation. But as Kamal was
13:28mentioning about Netanyahu, one thing
13:30that we also hear in a lot of this
13:32rhetoric that comes out is the phrase of
13:34greater Israel. Um that gets used in
13:37public debate quite quite often. uh
13:39sometimes, you know, meaning the West
13:42Bank, Gaza, perhaps the golden heights
13:44as well, and sometimes meaning a much
13:46larger map spanning uh Palestine,
13:48Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and
13:52Saudi Arabia. I wanted to ask you, Dr.
13:54Ali, how many how mainstream is the idea
13:56of the greater Israel idea within
13:59Judaism? Or is it a nationalistic
14:02radical nationalistic view?
14:05No, I mean greater Israel, that's
14:07something that's found um in Genesis
14:09chapter 15. I mean, what is it's called
14:12um isma,
14:15which literally means like the fullness
14:17of Israel or something like that. Um and
14:20and so what we have in terms of between
14:23the river and the sea, that's just the
14:25tip of the iceberg. Greater Israel
14:27according to Genesis chapter 15, and
14:29this is something that the Orthodox
14:30tradition take very seriously, Christian
14:32Zionism takes very seriously. Mhm.
14:34>> Uh is the all of the land between two
14:36rivers. And um I mean there's there's a
14:40a theory that the Israeli flag
14:42represents because there's two blue
14:43lines right at the top and the bottom.
14:45And then you have the six uh the star of
14:48David in the middle.
14:49>> So there's a theory that those two blue
14:51lines represent the two rivers. These
14:53two rivers of the Nile and Euphrates.
14:56Okay. So then Israel proper uh is half
15:00of Egypt and then most of the Levant um
15:05including Palestine obviously even half
15:07of Iraq is is uh is greater Israel. Uh
15:12so I mean 10 years ago if we if we
15:15mentioned you know the greater Israel
15:17project and things like that the Yinon
15:18plan and things like that I mean these
15:20some of these documents are are public
15:22but if we mention these things in public
15:23they say oh you're you're a
15:25>> you're a conspiracy theorist and you
15:27know this is all this is just uh you
15:29know uh wearing a tinfoil hat but now
15:32you have uh Israeli establishment and
15:36and authority like Netanyahu talking
15:38about these things very openly. Mhm.
15:41>> So in the Yinon plan in 1982, O did
15:43Yinon who was part of the Israeli
15:45establishment administration, he says
15:47that a way in which we can gain greater
15:49Israel uh is to sew seeds of corruption
15:52amongst the surrounding Muslim nations
15:54that kind of destabilize the region uh
15:57and so that Israel with its superior
15:59military force can eventually sort of
16:02just take over the region. Um and so
16:04we've seen that happen. Of course, we've
16:06heard um Wesley Clark, who was a
16:09general, retired now, but he was a
16:12general in America, General Wesley
16:14Clark, uh during uh right during the
16:189/11 uh attack. And he said a few a few
16:21days after the attack, he actually saw a
16:24memo uh while he was in the Pentagon, a
16:27memo from a senior Pentagon official
16:29that said, "We need to take out, you
16:31know, seven countries in 5 years." Wow.
16:34>> Uh and the first country on that list uh
16:37was Iraq, right? Uh and then other
16:40countries as well, Syria, Somalia, uh
16:43Sudan, all of those countries, every
16:45single one of them except for the
16:46seventh country has gone through regime
16:48change. And of course, the seventh
16:50country on that list is Iran. So Iran's
16:53been on the plan for a long time. It
16:54took them longer than 5 years, but it
16:56seems like they're actually going to do
16:57this uh in 2026. Um but yeah, the
17:01Greater Israel Project, this is
17:03something that so they believe all of
17:04that land was promised to them that God
17:07promised Abraham, his his chosen seed.
17:10Um
17:12uh uh but the thing that they
17:14conveniently sort of leave out is that
17:16if you read the Bible, the Old
17:17Testament, it's mentioned many many
17:19times that God gave the land on
17:22condition. It's a conditional promise.
17:24>> It's not unconditional. is a two-way
17:26street that if they uh don't uphold the
17:29covenant of God and follow the Torah,
17:31then the land will thrust them out. And
17:34this is mentioned many many times and in
17:36fact you read places like in Jeremiah 11
17:38that the house of Judah, the house of
17:40Israel has uh has abandoned has broken
17:44my covenant. And so traditional
17:47traditional Orthodox Judaism uh okay
17:50what what are known as heredi uh Jews or
17:53we might just say traditional Orthodox
17:54Jews for hundreds and hundreds and
17:56hundreds of years almost 2,000 years
17:58believed that their exile uh was
18:01divinely decreed and they're not allowed
18:03to actually go back uh to the holy land
18:07and try to seize the land and set up a
18:09Jewish sovereignty.
18:10>> They're actually forbidden to do that.
18:12They have to wait until the coming of
18:13the Messiah. But of course the Zionists
18:16were able to kind of work their way
18:17around that understanding. Uh and that's
18:20what we have today.
18:22>> Early if we could perhaps frame this in
18:24some context
18:26greater Israel is that framed something
18:29that needs to be established before the
18:31coming of the Messiah or only after? And
18:34is it something that you know we've seen
18:36as you stated is kind of being
18:37orchestrated quite uh quickly to hasten
18:40the merge of the Messiah. Is this
18:41something that needs to be established
18:43before the arrival of the Messiah or
18:44after?
18:45>> That's the traditional understanding is
18:47that you have to wait for the Messiah. I
18:48mean, Jews can certainly live in that
18:50region, but they can't move their own
18:52mass and they can't attempt to set up
18:54any type of Jewish state or sovereignty.
18:56That's a traditional understanding for
18:58almost 2,000 years with uh Zionism. And
19:01this um you know, you can trace these
19:03things back to Ra Rabbi um Abraham Isaac
19:07Cook uh who was early 20th century. He
19:10was the he was the first Ashkanazi
19:13>> uh chief rabbi of of Palestine under
19:15British mandate. Uh so he had this idea
19:18that no we can actually take steps uh to
19:23prepare the way of the messiah. So this
19:26he he called it something like paving
19:28the way for the messiah or um taking
19:30steps for our redemption our messianic
19:32redemption. So in other words, we can
19:34actually start the work of the Messiah
19:36because they believe the when the
19:38Messiah will come, he will he will
19:39actually take control of that entire
19:41land. Um and uh and seize the land and
19:45set up his kingdom. Um but apparently he
19:48was taking too long. And so um with the
19:51onset of World War II and then you have
19:52the Holocaust, many European rabbis uh
19:55they just didn't want to wait anymore.
19:57And so a lot of them bought into Kuk's
19:59kind of revisionist [clears throat]
20:00ideas of we can actually go back on mass
20:03and set up a Jewish sovereignty for our
20:06protection and then we can sort of you
20:08know do get the ball rolling here and
20:11sort of force the hand of the Messiah
20:13because we're doing his job. He needs to
20:15show up at any time and eventually or
20:17soon he will show up and he'll complete
20:19the job.
20:21>> Uh and so yeah.
20:23>> No, no, continue. Continue. So that's
20:25yeah that's that's that would that's
20:27basically the idea is that it's it's
20:30basically a bida for them to um to re
20:34return to the land on mass and set up a
20:36Jewish Jewish sovereignty without the
20:38messiah. They have to wait for the
20:40Messiah. And there's different um
20:43there's there's different scripture
20:44verses that uh anti-ionists
20:47uh traditional Jews use um to
20:51demonstrate their point that that Jews
20:53must stay in exile uh and wait patiently
20:57for the Messiah. For example, I believe
20:58in Numbers chapter 14, some of the men
21:01around Moses, they said, "We're not
21:03going to wait any longer. We're going to
21:04go to the promised land." And Moses said
21:07to them, "If you do that, you're going
21:08to go against the word of the Lord." And
21:10this will never ever be successful. It's
21:13never ever a good idea to break the
21:16exile and um and uh go against uh God
21:22and Moses uh on mass into the promised
21:25land. It's not going to work out for
21:26you.
21:26>> Dr. Ali, I think last year we saw like
21:29the trend of the red hea go around the
21:31world. People were speaking about, oh,
21:33this sacrifice is going to take place.
21:35Was that another one of the actions that
21:37was being used to usher in the arrival
21:38of the Messiah to haste his arrival?
21:41>> It's actually more important than than
21:43[clears throat] we think. And I I
21:45actually mentioned the red heer
21:47uh in a hutbah
21:50in December of 2022.
21:52>> And uh I I got a lot of heat for it.
21:55People were calling me like, you know,
21:57you're crazy. This is all conspiracy
21:59stuff and nobody takes these things
22:00seriously.
22:02And I said, "Okay, but you know, it's um
22:04they have five of them." Yeah. So, they
22:07were actually um five red heers were
22:10they're probably genetically engineered,
22:11but they have to be perfect,
22:13>> right?
22:15>> Yeah. They they raised in Texas. Yeah.
22:17Of all places. Um I mean, that kind of
22:19makes sense. John Hegy is is based out
22:21of San Antonio, the biggest Christian
22:22Zionist in the world, and his
22:24organization Kufi, uh which is really
22:26Kufur, but anyway. [laughter]
22:29So, so they have to have in the namesake
22:32of
22:38right a bakar that is perfect, no
22:40blemishes, right? Uh so a perfectly red
22:44bak no white or black hairs between the
22:46age 2 to three between age 2 to three
22:48has to be sacrificed. Why does it have
22:50to be sacrificed? Well, according to the
22:52Torah,
22:54um in order for the temple to return,
22:57okay, the ashes of a perfect
23:01um u hepher bakar which is called a para
23:05aduma in Hebrew. The ashes have to be
23:08used to purify the vessels in the temple
23:13uh and the water for the purification
23:15ritual of the priests.
23:17>> Um so so that has that that's a
23:19necessary condition. It has to be there.
23:21Uh or else you can't have a temple and
23:23you can't have a priesthood. Uh my
23:26monity says that uh nine uh perfectly
23:30perfect blemishfree red heers were
23:32sacrificed in the history of of of
23:35Israel. Uh and um there hasn't been one
23:38in 2,000 years. Uh and the ashes of a
23:40single red heer can last for hundreds
23:42and hundreds of years. Just a single red
23:44heer. and his opinion is that the 10th
23:47red heer would be sacrificed by the king
23:49Messiah himself. Um but there's
23:52difference of opinion. Uh other rabbis
23:53say no it doesn't have to be the
23:55Messiah. It can be sort of um a group of
23:57righteous uh Jews um who can do that. Uh
24:02and so there were five perfectly uh
24:05perfect red heers just a couple of uh
24:08just a short time ago. Uh and then I
24:10think it dwindled down to two or three
24:13or something like that. And and then
24:15they actually they sacrificed one of
24:16them a few months ago, I believe. Um I
24:19mean I have to I kept checking with the
24:21Temple Institute in Jerusalem for
24:23updates, but they did sacrifice one of
24:25them a few months ago. Uh and but they
24:28said it was kind of a test run. It
24:29wasn't for real. I don't know if I
24:31really supposed to believe that.
24:33>> Yeah, you're not going to waste a
24:35perfectly good a perfect red heer,
24:38right? Um, and so they probably did that
24:40already, which means that they would
24:43take that basically as a sign of Tofi or
24:46providence or permission from God that
24:48they can move forward uh with the
24:51construction of of the third temple
24:54>> uh and to bring back the priesthood and
24:56things like that. Um, and so they
24:58already have the, you know, the the
25:00blueprints of the third temple. And they
25:02have actually they have a group of young
25:04men in their in their teens. Uh, they're
25:06from the Levites. They're considered to
25:08be kohanim or priests. They're really to
25:10kind of move all of this into place uh
25:12right now. So yeah, the the sacrifice of
25:14the red heer was a necessary condition
25:18uh to bring back the temple and the
25:19priesthood and all of that.
25:20>> And you're saying it's taken place
25:22already?
25:23>> It's already it's already happened.
25:24Yeah,
25:24>> it's already happened.
25:25>> Yeah, it's already happened. They
25:27sacrificed one. They said it was a test
25:28run, but I don't know if I really
25:31believe that it was a test run. That
25:33doesn't make sense to me. I don't find
25:34that very convincing.
25:36>> Dr. Ali, let's get very concrete here.
25:38In classical Jewish Messiahism, why is
25:43building the temple such a central
25:46milestone?
25:48It's a very good question. Um, so let me
25:51give you a little bit of of history
25:52here. I think it's important for us to
25:54understand the history of Messianism in
25:56in Jewish tradition. So when the
25:59Israelites were uh in Babylon in
26:02captivity, so here we're looking at the
26:046th century before the common era, this
26:06called the exilic period during this
26:09time. So they were taken. So the the
26:11southern kingdom of Judah was attacked
26:13in 586 B.C.E. by the Babylonians,
26:16Nebuchadnezzar.
26:18And so you have um the Israelites
26:20sitting in in Babylon in captivity.
26:23During this time, Jewish uh prophets,
26:26Israelite prophets and seers, they began
26:29predicting that um a Davidic ruler, a
26:34Davidic king would arise and that he
26:38would uh somehow rebuild or restore or
26:42uh purify, rededicate the temple.
26:46Because remember now Nebuchadnezzar and
26:48his forces they destroyed the first
26:49temple the temple of Solomon
26:51>> which was built around 930 before the
26:54common era that temple was destroyed by
26:56by Nebuchadnezzar in the 6th century
26:59BCE.
27:00>> Okay. So this this this Davidic king
27:03this Davidic ruler he's called Hamel
27:06Mashiach ben Davided which is to say the
27:09Davidic king Messiah the king Messiah
27:12son of David or just simply the Messiah.
27:15Okay. And so you have passages in the
27:17book of Ezekiel, for example, Ezekiel
27:1940-48, Jeremiah 23, Zechariah chapter 6,
27:24which seem to describe this Davidic
27:26Messiah who's going to come uh in the
27:28future and restore or uh purify,
27:32rededicate or rebuild the temple. Now,
27:35the second temple was built by a man
27:38named Zerubabel. Okay, Zerubabel around
27:41520 BCE. And this was after a decree
27:45from Cyrus. Uh Cyrus um I think is
27:50probably Dorneain
27:52um the Persian king Cyrus who was a
27:54monotheist
27:55uh and who defeated the Babylonians and
27:58and allowed the Israelites to go back to
28:01Palestine to re rebuild their city. But
28:04the thing is Zerubabel um I mean he led
28:07the construction. This is according to 1
28:08Chronicles chapter 3 and he was a
28:10descendant of David. So he's a Davidic
28:13uh builder of the temple. Um he was born
28:16in in Babylon.
28:18Uh his name actually means born in
28:20Babylon. He was a grandson of a Jewish
28:22king named Jeaniah. And Jeconiah was the
28:26penultimate king of Judah just before
28:28Zedekiah who was the the last Davidic
28:31king. But the thing about Zerubbabel was
28:33that he he was never a king or a ruler.
28:36>> He was a he was a Persian appointed
28:39governor. Uh so I mean the land
28:42continued to be ruled by Persia. Uh
28:44Cyrus was really the king of Palestine
28:47at the time and he's also called the
28:49Messiah in in Isaiah 45:1. The Lord said
28:52to his Messiah, his Messiah Cyrus. So so
28:56the Jews did not see Zerubable as being
28:58the fulfillment of this great Davidic
29:01king Messiah. He didn't exactly fit the
29:03description. Uh and so if we fast
29:05forward a little bit um uh eventually uh
29:09Palestine fell out of Persian hands. The
29:12the Greeks uh conquered uh the region by
29:16under Alexander in 332 before the common
29:19era. And so um and then after that uh
29:23there was a um there was a revolt by a
29:25group of Jews called the Hasmonians, the
29:27Makabian revolt in 164 B.CE. And so
29:31during this time the Israelites actually
29:32had control of Palestine. Uh but they
29:35did not re uh they did not um they did
29:40not bring back the Davidic king. And the
29:42reason is because the Hasmonians were
29:44not Davidic. They were Levites. They
29:45were descendants of Aaron. Uh and then
29:48eventually the Hasmonians they the
29:50Makabians in other words they they had
29:52internal fitna and things like that. And
29:54so they called in a Roman general Pompy
29:57to be an arbitrator, which was a bad
29:58idea because when when the general Pompy
30:01came into Palestine, he decided he's
30:03going to basically uh rule the land
30:05himself. And so in 63 B.CE, uh Palestine
30:09became uh a a Roman occupied land. So
30:13now we're in the first century. The
30:16Pharisees who are the religious
30:17establishment at the time of Isaam
30:20um and the rest of the Jews were still
30:22expecting this Davidic king Messiah.
30:25Okay. Uh and they expected this Messiah
30:29uh to restore to purify to cleanse to
30:33rededicate the temple in some way. The
30:36second temple that that was still
30:38standing. This is similar to an Old
30:41Testament king mentioned by Isaiah named
30:43Hezekiah. Hezekiah
30:46who was a Davidic king Messiah during
30:48the Assyrian period. Uh he didn't
30:51rebuild the temple from nothing. He
30:53rededicated the temple. He cleansed the
30:55temple. Uh he purified uh the temple. In
30:58fact, there are some Telmudic rabbis who
31:01consider Zedekiah to be the Messiah.
31:04like Rabbi Hel he's quoted in the Talmud
31:07as as taking that position and so Isaam
31:12he cleanses the temple in all four
31:14gospels you know so he fulfills this he
31:17he is the Davidic king Messiah and it's
31:20really interesting because if if you
31:22read the four gospels in the New
31:23Testament and you read the letters of
31:24Paul there's one thing that Jesus does
31:27that's sort of just out of character you
31:30know the the Pauline uh christologology
31:33um
31:34>> the uh the description of Jesus in the
31:37four gospels in which is highly
31:40influenced by Paul, you know, Jesus is
31:42kind of meek and he goes willingly to
31:45his death and he says, "Turn the other
31:46cheek. Resist not evil." Um you know um
31:51uh this this type of ethic um you know a
31:55gentle a a gentle lamb led to the
31:57slaughter. He opened not his mouth.
31:59Things like that. But suddenly you have
32:01this event where he comes into Jerusalem
32:02and he makes a whip and he starts
32:04whipping people and throwing them out of
32:06the temple precincts and turning over
32:08their tables and and saying you know
32:10this is this is a house
32:12>> this yeah this is a house of of worship.
32:14You've turned it into a den of thieves.
32:16So this passes what's known as the
32:18historical criterion of embarrassment.
32:20This is so out of character for the
32:22Pauline Jesus to do that most historians
32:25believe that this is actually what he
32:26did that this is historical and it's
32:28mentioned in all four gospels and it's
32:30actually mentioned twice in the gospel
32:31of John. So in my mind is Alisam
32:35probably did do something like that and
32:37this is a clear claim to be this
32:39Messiah. However, the religious
32:42establishment at that time in Palestine,
32:45they sought to kill Isaam probably
32:47because he was stressing spiritual
32:51liberation over political liberation and
32:55and he criticized the Pharisees. That
32:57doesn't mean that he wouldn't liberate
32:58them politically, but he was taking care
33:01of uh his own people beforehand. So you
33:05have this famous passage in Matthew 23,
33:07the seven woes, where he says, "Woe unto
33:09you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites,
33:12brood of vipers. You've overlooked the
33:14weightier demands of the law, justice,
33:17mercy, good faith. You're hypocrites.
33:20You know, you're like whited supplers.
33:21On the outside you are clean, but on the
33:23inside uh you weak of death, hypocrites,
33:26brood, vipers." So he's attacking the
33:28religious establishment of his day. And
33:31so the Pharisees, I think they just kind
33:33of lost patience with that with with
33:34him. And so they probably attempted to
33:37force his hand like they're doing now.
33:39The Zionists are trying to force the
33:41hand of the Messiah by going back on
33:43mass to to to historical Palestine to
33:46historical Israel uh and and starting
33:48the work of the Messiah. So I think what
33:50the what the Pharisees did with Isaam is
33:53that they put him in trouble with the
33:55Romans
33:56>> uh because they knew that the Romans
33:57would have zero I mean the Romans
33:59generally were very tolerant of
34:01different religions. But you know they
34:03had zero tolerance for any type of
34:05political sedition or insurrection or
34:08anything like that. And they would
34:09crucify so many Jews, so many zealots
34:11that Josephus said they actually ran out
34:13of lumber. They ran out of trees uh in
34:16Palestine. Uh so so they put him in a
34:19conflict I think with the Romans
34:20expecting Isaam to say okay you forced
34:23me now and and he would fight fight the
34:25Romans. Uh in fact some some scholars
34:29believe that that Judas right the man
34:31who betrayed uh Jesus uh that was his
34:33intention to kind of force Jesus to act
34:36as a political messiah but that was that
34:39didn't happen was saved by Allah
34:41subhanahu wa ta'ala Allah subhanana
34:43waala Allah subhana wa tala took him up
34:45to the sah and and delayed Jesus's
34:49kingly role uh until after the coming of
34:52the universal messenger the prophet
34:54Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam and
34:56as a punishment really God uh destroyed
34:58the temple. He allowed the temple to be
35:00destroyed. Um which is essentially a
35:02sign that God was angry with the Bunni
35:04Israel and he scattered them uh among
35:07the nations and now they have to wait uh
35:10for the Messiah. Uh so when the second
35:12temple was destroyed in 70 CE, it's then
35:16when we get all of this explicit third
35:18temple language. Okay, all this third
35:22temple talk is all post70 of the common
35:25era because the Israelites at the time
35:27were saying, "Oh, you know, God must
35:29have been talking about a third temple
35:31uh in those prophecies and you know,
35:33Jeremiah and Ezekiel and so on and so
35:35forth. This is all post 70 CE, the idea
35:38of a third temple. Uh and so until this
35:42day uh the majority of Jews, I mean uh
35:45the Jews basically as a as a as a group
35:48continue to wait for this king who will
35:50build a third temple. In reality, the
35:54prophets during the exilic period uh
35:56were predicting a second temple, not a
35:58third temple, which came true. The
36:00second temple was built and they also
36:02predicted a Davidic ruler, right? A a
36:05messiah, a messiah would be born in
36:07Bethlehem. um Micah 5:2 Issa Alisam was
36:11born in Bethlehem in the New Testament.
36:12There's also a hadith in our tradition
36:14that he was born in Bethlam. Uh and this
36:17Messiah would cleanse or purify the
36:19temple uh and then rule from Jerusalem.
36:22So this this Messiah was Isaam
36:25>> whom they rejected and slandered and so
36:27God removed him, destroyed the second
36:29temple and postponed his messianic role
36:32as political ruler until much later. Um,
36:35so his first coming is really as a
36:37prophet Messiah. There's different type
36:38I know it's kind of technical and I'll
36:40and I'll and I'll end my spiel in a
36:42minute, I promise you. Uh, but there's
36:44different types of mashim or messiahs
36:46that are in the Old Testament in the
36:47Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible. Yes, there are
36:49king messiahs. There are also prophet
36:51messiahs. And so his first coming was as
36:54a prophet Messiah. Okay? And a prophet
36:57Messiah essentially is the is the true
36:59interpreter of the Torah. And that's
37:01what Isaam did in his first coming. He
37:04gave them the true interpretation uh of
37:06the Torah. Uh and he gave them the injil
37:09which is a type of tesia
37:12um uh spiritual training for the bani is
37:15and he also gave them good glad tidings
37:17of the coming of the final prophet the
37:19prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi
37:20wasallam. Uh so there's a reason for
37:22Jews today to believe in him because he
37:24was a true messenger and he was a
37:26prophet Messiah. Uh and then he'll he'll
37:28return towards the end of time.
37:30>> Wow. I I think like based off of your
37:33understanding, the Messiah, the awaited
37:35Messiah was Isaam, but he's obviously
37:37being rejected. So who exactly are the
37:40Jews currently waiting for? And is that
37:42the in Islamic doctrine?
37:45Yeah, it seems likely that's that's
37:47what's happening here. Um so the Djal
37:50there's indications in our tradition
37:52that in the Islamic tradition that the
37:54the Jal, you know, will come from the
37:56east. So he's not Arab. All right. Um he
38:00and there's indications that he's from
38:01Bani is because there was a a young
38:03Jewish boy in Medina named Sad that many
38:06of the Sahaba believed it was the Djal
38:09um uh and so they wouldn't believe that
38:11um uh if they didn't have a reason to.
38:14So they're indications that he himself
38:16is from a Jewish background. Certainly
38:18his army, the 70,000 coming from Isvahan
38:22uh they're from Israel as well. So yeah,
38:25so the the Jewish world will not accept
38:29any Messiah unless he's Jewish, right?
38:33So that's that's a that's a a synanon.
38:35That's like a a really um important
38:39necessary condition of the Messiah in
38:41Jewish tradition for him to be uh for
38:44him to be from Bani is. Um, and so
38:48another interesting aspect of of Jewish
38:50messianism that a lot of people don't
38:52know is that that Jews are actually in
38:54the Orthodox tradition are actually
38:56waiting for two messiahs. There are two
38:58endtime messiahs. Okay? So there's the
39:02Messiah Ben Ysef, the the Messiah, the
39:04son of Joseph. So this is an end time
39:07messiah who is a descendant of Ysef
39:11Alisam from his son Ephraim. So his
39:13father is from Ephraim, the tribe of
39:15Ephraim, which is Joseph essentially.
39:17And he will come to the earth first and
39:20he will actually be defeated by his
39:22enemies. And so this is stated in the
39:25Talmud. This is stated in the Midrashim.
39:27This is part of Orthodox traditional
39:29Judaism. And there's some indications of
39:31him like in Zechariah 12 that Orthodox
39:34authorities claim or descriptions of
39:36him. So, so the the the Josephite
39:39Messiah, he will fight Gog and Magog uh
39:43and they will kill him. He'll die. He'll
39:46he'll be martyed by Gog and Magog. Um
39:49what's really interesting
39:52uh I just um perhaps I can I can read
39:55this. There's a short passage in a book
39:57that I recommend called Zionism, a brief
40:00history by Michael Brener. It's it's a
40:02short paragraph. I'll just read it real
40:04fast. is published in n uh 2003. So he
40:07says that in semand at Serbia Yehuda al-
40:11Kalai a rabbi born in Sievo wrote a
40:14series of uh treatises for the Jews to
40:17return to Palestine. At the same time in
40:19West Prussia, Thorne, Rabbi Si Kalisher
40:23was citing biblical and rebbitical texts
40:25in his uh Dishhat Zion seeking Zion 1862
40:29to demonstrate that the salvation of the
40:31Jews would result from human efforts and
40:34would not depend simply on divine
40:36providence in the messianic age. So this
40:38is this idea again um Rabbi Cook would
40:41pick up on these ideas in the early 20th
40:43century uh that we can get the ball
40:45rolling for the Messiah. we can um we
40:49can start moving back to Palestine and
40:51doing the work of the Messiah,
40:53cleansing, you know, the land and things
40:54like that and then he'll come. So he
40:56continues and would not depend simply on
40:58divine prophet. I read I read that part.
41:00Khalisher contended that the
41:01colonization of Palestine could begin at
41:03once. That's the bid right there. It is
41:05noteworthy that both rabbis, one
41:07Sphartic Alkali was a Spanish Portuguese
41:09descendant, and the other Ashkanazi
41:11Kalisher's origins were in Pausnan,
41:14which is Polish, who who thought and
41:16argued so traditionally were profoundly
41:18affected by current political
41:20developments. Al Kalai regarded the
41:22traditional Jewish idea of the first
41:24temporary Messiah from the house of
41:27Joseph not as an individual,
41:30>> but as a kind of Jewish national
41:33collective. end quote. Okay, so there's
41:36a strong opinion now that the Joseph the
41:39Josephite Messiah is actually the
41:42current state of Israel. [clears throat]
41:44>> Uh and Rabbi to Tovia Singer takes this
41:47position and that what happened on
41:49October 7th is actually the death that's
41:52considered the death of the Josephite
41:54Messiah. So now the door is open for the
41:58more important Messiah, the Davidic
42:00Messiah, uh to arrive on the scene. And
42:04in Jewish esquetology, the Davidic
42:06Messiah is not defeated by his enemies.
42:08There's a few things that he'll do. One
42:10of the things that he'll do is that he
42:13will rebuild the the temple, the third
42:16temple. As I said, I don't think there's
42:18any indication in the Hebrew Bible of
42:20the third temple. Everything in Ezekiel,
42:22Jeremiah, etc. is describing the second
42:24temple. Why would they skip the second
42:26temple and go straight to the third
42:28temple? So I think that's a little bit
42:30of um uh you know kind of interpretive
42:34>> yeah distortion um and kind of ad hoc
42:37exesus
42:38>> uh to kind of contend with you know the
42:40destruction of the second temple which
42:41they did not see coming. Uh so oh it
42:44must have been talking about a third
42:45temple. Uh the Messiah will also
42:48basically fight something called the
42:49milat adonai which is basically like
42:52big-time wars uh malahim right uh he'll
42:56purify uh the um the greater Israel uh
43:00Israel proper uh he'll institute
43:04uh the Torah as the the law of the
43:07entire uh planet and he'll basically
43:09basically be the king of the whole
43:11world. Uh okay. And then he'll usher in
43:14a um a an era of peace. Um so from our
43:21perspective, the Djal
43:24right initially, you know, he's going to
43:25he's going to claim to be a prophet and
43:27he's going to claim to be the Messiah.
43:30And I think a lot of what he'll do will
43:32be very convincing for many Jews around
43:35the world. uh but when he claims to be
43:39Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala I think he'll
43:41lose a lot of support and in fact it
43:44seems likely that many Jews will
43:46actually defect from his ranks and
43:49believe in Isaam as the true Messiah and
43:52I think a lot of Christians as well so
43:53he'll Isaam will rectify the
43:57and the Quran says
44:06uh um I don't know if I quoted that
44:08right
44:13that there that there will be none of
44:14the people the book uh left except that
44:17they believe in Isaam right so the
44:20commentators of this ayah they say the
44:21meaning is that yeah initially there's
44:23going to be some tension and resistance
44:26to Isaam uh but he'll show convincing
44:29proofs that he's the Messiah and
44:31Especially when the Antichrist claims to
44:33be God. I mean, that's that's just a
44:35that's a a non-negotiable for at least
44:38>> Could it be too late by then after
44:40you've given him so much support and
44:42you've believed in every one of his
44:43miracles and everything? It could very
44:45well be too late for them to
44:47>> be. Yeah. I mean, they could be um
44:49convinced that he is because he's going
44:51to do certain things. Whether he has
44:52supernatural abilities like real
44:54supernatural abilities given to him as a
44:56fitna by Allah subhana wa ta'ala or it's
44:58kind of smoke and mirrors, right? It's
45:00just kind of or or it's a sorry it's a
45:02type of like you know kind of slight of
45:04hand maybe just technology. It seems
45:06like he has access to some incredible
45:08technology that's going to fool a lot of
45:11people. Um but but the majority of
45:15Zionists by the way um who identify as
45:17Jewish are not religious. So I don't I
45:19don't think they're going to care if he
45:20claims to be God at all.
45:22>> You know the the the de Jal, he has
45:24control over resources. you know, he has
45:27control over the skies and the crops and
45:30uh the seas and things like that. Uh so
45:33I [snorts] think for the majority of
45:34them, they just won't care what kind of
45:36supernatural claims he's making.
45:38>> Dr. Ali, you've made um in some of your
45:40previous talks, you mentioned something
45:42regarding the Jewish year 6,000 and the
45:45arrival of the Messiah. Could you
45:47perhaps walk us through that?
45:49Yeah. So this is an interest this is
45:51found all over the the the traditional
45:54uh understanding of of the Messiah. Um
45:58is very prevalent uh teaching is that
46:01you know this um that this creation uh
46:05is you know 5787
46:09something years old. Um uh and so uh the
46:14year 6000 represents what's known as the
46:16coming of the day of the Lord or the
46:18Sabbath of the Lord. So many many
46:22traditional authorities consider that to
46:23be sort of the cut off day of the
46:25Messiah, like the deadline of the
46:27Messiah. He has to come before the year
46:296000. I think there's something like 215
46:32years until we get to the year 6,000.
46:34But he has to come well before that
46:36because he has to do everything.
46:38uh you know he has to fulfill all of the
46:40conditions. Um and so yeah, this is a
46:43very very prevalent tradition, the year
46:456000,
46:46what's known as the uh the Sabbath, the
46:49Sabbath of the Lord. And so there's
46:51there's a uh there's a famous
46:52interaction uh I actually found this on
46:54YouTube recently. I think people can
46:56find it. There's a famous interaction
46:58between uh a famous rabbi named um Rabbi
47:02Minah Mendel Schmeersen uh who is
47:05actually believed by many um Kabad
47:08Lavure Hassidic Jews to be the Messiah.
47:12Um, and if that's kind of a side note,
47:14but when Netanyahu was the UN
47:17ambassador,
47:19um, uh, in 1994,
47:22I believe, something like that, he
47:24actually met with this rabbi and the
47:27rabbi, they're speaking in Hebrew, and
47:29the rabbi says to him, you know, you
47:31know, there's only a few hours left in
47:33the day. So, you know, what does that
47:35mean? Few hours. Yeah, the few hours
47:38left in the day. That means on this on
47:40this day, you know, uh on this the sixth
47:43day, you know, it's it's like it's like
47:46offser time, right? So the day starts at
47:48Mb. So when Mb hits hits, that's the
47:50seventh day, right? And that's
47:52considered the sort of olam hab, the
47:54world to come and the end of the world
47:55as we know it. So he said to Netanyahu,
47:58"What are you doing to prepare the
47:59world? What are you doing to bring about
48:00the Messiah?" Because there's only a few
48:02hours left, right? Which is very
48:05interesting. um you know uh and so you
48:10know that's that's that that's their
48:11belief that the Messiah will come before
48:13the before the seventh day before the
48:15year 6000.
48:16>> Dr. Ali, you also mentioned just uh
48:18before that about the dja being followed
48:20by 70,000 of uh of the Jewish population
48:24of uh in Isra.
48:26>> Uh some narrations say that they'll be
48:29wearing dressed in robes of green or
48:31colored satin Persian uh shaws. What's
48:34the significance of this hadith of uh
48:36the number 70,000? Because today
48:38approximately in the country right now
48:41there's around 9,000 to 10,000 Jews in
48:44Iran. There isn't a significant amount
48:46of Jewish adherence there. So what's the
48:49significance of this hadith in the scale
48:52of what we're seeing today for example?
48:54>> Yeah. Theith is
49:02Yeah. And then another version. Yeah,
49:04wearing Persian shaws. Yeah, I always
49:06thought about this hadith. You know, I
49:08for years I've been thinking about this
49:09hadith and I'm like 70,000 from Isvahan.
49:12It just doesn't seem likely. Um, you
49:15know, how is that even going to be
49:16possible?
49:17>> But we see like with what's happening
49:19right now uh with the current conflict
49:21if there's regime change in Iran. I
49:24mean, this guy who's waiting in the
49:25wings, this Bahni character,
49:28you know, he's he's gone he's he's been
49:30public about, you know, if you know, if
49:32I should go back to Iran, and I don't
49:33know how he put it, paraphrasing, if I'm
49:36placed back into power, the first thing
49:38that Iran will do,
49:40>> recognize Israel,
49:41>> recognize uh Israel. And so, Zionism has
49:45um uh been steadily growing, I think, in
49:48Iran, even under the the current regime.
49:51Um
49:53uh and so uh I mean you have groups of
49:57Iranians that go and they they cluster
50:00around the grave of of Cyrus. They
50:03consider Cyrus to be like this kind of
50:05archetypal Zionist cuz he allowed the uh
50:08the the Jews, Israelites to go back to
50:11to Palestine. um which I think is uh a a
50:16a big mischaracterization of Cyrus
50:19because he didn't give them autonomy in
50:20Palestine. Uh Palestine was still under
50:22Persian rule. Uh Palestine was still a a
50:26Persian uh satre at the time. Uh and he
50:30did not allow them to rule Palestine. Um
50:33but anyway, and he might have even the
50:34Persians might have even commissioned
50:36the the um the compilation of the Torah
50:40as we know it. uh the five books of
50:43Moses, it was probably done by a
50:45committee that was patronized by by
50:47Persia, but that's a different story. Uh
50:50but if we if we imagine what's going to
50:52happen in the future, uh Iran kind of
50:55changing its political landscape and
50:57becoming very uh congenial towards the
51:00Zionist project, we can see how
51:02thousands upon thousands uh of of
51:05Iranians will embrace uh Zionism,
51:09>> right?
51:10uh and then you know obviously at some
51:12point follow this this impostor messiah.
51:16>> I wanted to ask you I know it's a bit of
51:18a subnote and I know it's kind of an
51:20oxymoron but Christian Zionism. We've
51:24seen recently uh there have been reports
51:27that emerged of US military commanders
51:29have actually told the troops that a
51:31potential war with Iran is actually
51:33anointed by Jesus and is kind of part of
51:36this larger Armageddon prophecy.
51:39um what why would that be? I know
51:41there's a commander there who's has his
51:43own kind of like breeding club about
51:45these kind of texts but um if you could
51:48just walk us through that like this use
51:51of you know that this is an appointed
51:53war by Jesus himself what we're seeing.
51:56>> Yeah. So, this all goes back to a
51:58scripture verse, Genesis 12:3, right?
52:00So, there's a senator in Texas named Ted
52:03Cruz, uh, who did an interview recently
52:06with Tucker Carlson, um, well, a few
52:08months ago, I think maybe a year ago,
52:10something like that, where he he quoted
52:12this verse as, um, basically being his
52:15justification for being a Christian
52:16Zionist. Um, and he didn't even know
52:18where the where the verse was in the
52:20Bible.
52:21>> He couldn't quote it. Yeah. So, Genesis
52:2312:3. Um and so he said it it says
52:26something like if you bless Israel, God
52:28will bless you. If you curse Israel, God
52:30will curse you. Uh so it's a misquote.
52:33First of all, the text does not say
52:35Israel in in Hebrew. Uh God is speaking
52:38to Abraham Ibrahimam who's called Abram
52:40at the time. So if you bless Abram, God
52:43will bless you. And if you curse Abram
52:45or Abraham Ibrahim, then God will God
52:47will curse you. So that's the first
52:49thing. The second thing, so he misqued
52:51it. Second thing is that uh he's
52:53partially correct in the sense that you
52:55know it's implied in the text that God
52:57is talking about the descendants of
52:58Abraham some descendants of of Abraham
53:01or followers of Abraham in some sense um
53:04uh and and so um so biblical
53:07commentators would say yeah he's talking
53:09about Israel as a people not as some
53:12nation and certainly not as you know
53:15this ethnostate that was founded by
53:19uh Ashkanazi atheists
53:21that are currently committing a
53:22genocide. I don't think that's what uh
53:25what God had in mind when he spoke those
53:27words to Abraham. Um uh so he's talking
53:30about Israel as a people, you know,
53:32descendants of Jacob. Um
53:36uh but even if it were true, I always
53:38make this point, even if it were true,
53:39let's say, yeah, that's what that's what
53:41God is saying. He's saying bless the
53:44current state of Israel founded by uh
53:48you know, founded in 1948.
53:50um etc etc. Let's say that's what God is
53:52talking about. That verse Genesis 12:3
53:56uh is countenanced by New Testament
53:58writers, especially Paul in the book of
54:00Galatians.
54:02>> Uh and Paul is supposed to be a I mean
54:05he is the basically the the principal
54:08writer of the New Testament. Now we not
54:10we may not agree with a lot of what Paul
54:12says as Muslims and that's fine. But
54:14Christians who profess Christianity and
54:18profess to believe in the New Testament,
54:19they have to make a good faith effort
54:21>> to understand what the New Testament is
54:24actually teaching. Uh and stop making
54:26basically making tak of their leaders
54:29>> that are probably being paid by God
54:32knows who uh to support the modern state
54:35of Israel. Uh but Paul says in Galatians
54:38that what God what God meant when he
54:41spoke those words to Abraham was that he
54:44was talking about Jesus and he was
54:46talking about those who believe in Jesus
54:48as the Messiah. Right? Those are the
54:51ones that that we should be blessing.
54:53And so in the New Testament it's very
54:55very clear the chosen people are
54:58Christians who believe in Christ. Now
55:00that might include some ethnic Jews. I
55:02mean, many Christians are ethnic Jews,
55:05but disbelieving in Jesus and still
55:07considering yourself chosen by God, this
55:10is absolutely antithetical to the New
55:12Testament, antithetical to all or the
55:15early church fathers. Nobody took this
55:17position. This is this is a later uh
55:20this is a later development. Again, a
55:21bida, this is a theological anathema.
55:25This is just um it's it's it's a total
55:28misreading of the New Testament. Jesus
55:31is the third temple in the New
55:33Testament. It's very very clear. Jesus
55:35is the new temple. Um now I know I might
55:38not necessarily believe that. Uh but
55:40that's the teaching of the New
55:41Testament. Uh Jesus is the ultimate uh
55:44sacrifice for sin. I definitely don't
55:47believe that. But that's the teaching of
55:48the New Read Hebrews, read Paul uh and
55:51he's the ultimate high priest. Ultimate
55:53means the last the last high priest, the
55:55last sacrifice and the ultimate temple.
55:57So, Christian Zionists who support
56:00Israel, the modern state of Israel, who
56:02want to bring back the temple and bring
56:04back the whole sacrificial system and
56:06bring back the the priesthood, they're
56:07actually throwing Jesus away, their
56:10Jesus, the New Testament Jesus.
56:12>> And it's it's completely antithetical to
56:14to to the to traditional Christianity.
56:17And it's just it's mindboggling how that
56:20happened. But um I mean it's a long
56:22story but John Nelson Darby we'd have to
56:24look at you know what happened with the
56:26PL the Plymouth Brethren in in UK John
56:29Nelson Darby he was probably the first
56:31one to come up with this idea that
56:33there's two there's two covenants it's
56:35called dual covenant theology um that
56:38two simultaneous covenants. So the
56:40Mosaic covenant was never superseded
56:43uh by the Christian covenant. That's his
56:46idea. And so the Jews are still chosen
56:48by God irrespective of their of their
56:51rejection uh of Isaam.
56:54Um so that that comes from him and this
56:58was adopted
56:59by many many Christians and of course
57:01the Scoffield study Bible there's a lot
57:03a long long history about how that Bible
57:06um which is not really a translation. I
57:08mean Scullfield, he took the King James
57:11version translation and just added a few
57:12notes. But those notes turned out to be
57:15very very influential
57:17>> and gave rise to this whole idea that
57:19the Mosaic covenant is still open. it
57:21was never superseded uh by what Jesus
57:24did by the New Testament and that the
57:26Jews are still the chosen people and
57:28that Christians uh they have to support
57:31um uh the modern state of Israel founded
57:34by uh founded by Jews um irrespective of
57:38their disbelief in Jesus irrespective of
57:40their disbelief in God.
57:43>> I call it the con job of the millennium.
57:45It's it's really it's a total it's a
57:48total grift. M I know this is a big
57:50question Dr. Ali so please answer within
57:53whatever capacity you have. The Israel
57:55that's mentioned as you were saying in
57:56in the Bible and and in the Jewish
57:58scriptures is that necessarily the same
58:01Israel that exists today. I know you
58:04talked about it roughly but
58:06>> it's definitely not the same. Um
58:09>> I mean
58:12people forget that
58:14that again the the land was given on a
58:16condition. This is this is very apparent
58:19when we read the Hebrew Bible. For
58:21example, if we look at Exodus chapter 9,
58:24chapter 19 verse 5, right? Uh this is
58:29just just before what's known as the
58:31covenant code was revealed to the
58:33Israelites, right? And it says, "If you
58:36obey my voice and keep my covenant, then
58:39you'll be a treasure to me above all
58:41people." So on and so forth. Um so
58:44that's called a conditional statement.
58:46And many many times we find in the
58:48Hebrew Bible uh that God warns them that
58:52if you go against my covenant then this
58:54land will thrust you out. Okay. Uh and
58:58so um Israel as a nation uh must be
59:03founded uh upon upholding the covenant
59:06of God.
59:07>> Okay. The current state of Israel was
59:09not founded uh by such elements. It was
59:12founded by uh Ashkanazi which are
59:15probably not Semites atheists. Um and uh
59:20it was you know founded on blood and
59:23genocide and all of these
59:24>> occupation
59:25>> all of these horrible events planned
59:26dallet that are mentioned in books like
59:28the ethnic cleansing of of Palestine. Uh
59:31and so they call themselves Israel.
59:34>> Uh but that's just sort of hijacking the
59:37name. From our perspective, uh, Israel
59:39is the name of Israel is the name of
59:42Yakisam.
59:44And it doesn't mean wrestles with God.
59:45That's what that's what Genesis chapter
59:4832 mentions. They make up this fake
59:50eeology, the story of Jacob wrestling.
59:53It says wrestling the Lord. He wrestles
59:56the Lord. He wrestles God and he's able
59:58to beat God uh in a wrestling match,
1:00:00which is very strange. Um, really
1:00:03strange incident in Genesis chapter 32.
1:00:06Uh, and then the angel, um, some say
1:00:09it's an angel, uh, but it says, you
1:00:12know, you've wrestled, you've struggled
1:00:13with man and God, and therefore you're
1:00:15no longer known as Jacob, but known as
1:00:17Israel. Most historians believe Israel
1:00:20or Israel means God prevails. It doesn't
1:00:23mean wrestles with God. U so this this
1:00:26story appears to be a fake ideology.
1:00:28It's because the Israelites at the time
1:00:29were trying to grapple with why God is
1:00:32punishing them quite often. you know,
1:00:34why is God fighting or grappling with us
1:00:36so much? And it's because they they slip
1:00:39into idolatry, you know, they they uh
1:00:42they violate the covenant that God made
1:00:44with them. Um, so Israel today has has
1:00:48no bearing on biblical Israel uh
1:00:51whatsoever. Um, you know, you're just
1:00:54kind of hijacking the name. Uh, and it's
1:00:57very very clear from the Old Testament
1:01:00Jewish tradition, thousands of years,
1:01:012,000 years of Jewish tradition, that
1:01:03Jews are to remain in exile and await
1:01:07the coming of the Messiah. Uh, and then
1:01:10the Messiah will gather them back uh
1:01:13into the land and and and reconstitute
1:01:15the kingdom.
1:01:16>> But they've already done that. They've
1:01:17already done that.
1:01:18>> They've already done that. Yeah. So,
1:01:20yeah, they forced his hand. They tried
1:01:22to do that with Isaam
1:01:24as well.
1:01:25>> Wanted to ask you Dr. Ali um it's kind
1:01:28of hard in today's kind of climate to
1:01:30see perhaps the link between Judaism and
1:01:33Islam or any significant figures but
1:01:35Moses Mymonades in particular. What
1:01:38could you tell us about Moses Mymonades
1:01:40and his connection uh to the Islamic
1:01:42world?
1:01:45>> Mymonades probably the most the greatest
1:01:47philosopher and theologian uh in Jewish
1:01:50history. He's uh initially he was a bit
1:01:52controversial for some of his uh
1:01:54principles. He wrote this very famous
1:01:56the very famous 13 principles of Jewish
1:01:58faith that he articulates in his Mishna
1:02:00Torah. He also read the wrote the
1:02:04guide for for the perplexed. Uh he
1:02:07actually wrote that in Judeo Arabic. So
1:02:08he wrote everything in Arabic with
1:02:09Hebrew letters. Um so he was highly
1:02:13influenced I think by Islamic uh
1:02:15theology, Islamic philosophy and a lot
1:02:17of his 13 principles that he considers
1:02:19to be absolutely foundational and
1:02:22fundamental for every Jew to believe in.
1:02:24I think a lot of those things were a lot
1:02:26of his principles were influenced by
1:02:28Islamic theology. Um for example, he
1:02:30says things like you know any prophet
1:02:32who comes after Moses who says that the
1:02:35Torah has been abregated or brings a new
1:02:37law that's a false prophet and things
1:02:38like that. So he's kind of responding to
1:02:40these Islamic talking points and he also
1:02:42mentions uh that the true Messiah will
1:02:45build the third temple and again I don't
1:02:47think any I don't think any Jews in the
1:02:49first century the time of Isaam knew or
1:02:51expected that the second temple was
1:02:53going to be destroyed. That's a later
1:02:55development. Um
1:02:57uh but um and so yeah, he's he he
1:03:02initially he was a bit controversial uh
1:03:04for some of his principles, but uh
1:03:06eventually um most most Jews at least in
1:03:09the Orthodox tradition, they they accept
1:03:11him as as an authority in in in Orthodox
1:03:13Judaism. And so he has these detailed
1:03:16principles, as I said, and one of the
1:03:17most detailed ones is his his um
1:03:20description of the coming of the
1:03:21Messiah. And it's some of the things I
1:03:23mentioned earlier. He's going to rebuild
1:03:24the temple. who's going to fight the
1:03:25wars of the Lord. He's going to be from
1:03:27the the seed of David. But that's the
1:03:29other thing is that's very strange is
1:03:32when the second temple was destroyed in
1:03:3470 of the common era by the Romans, the
1:03:37temple also housed the genealogical
1:03:39archives uh of of the Jews. Um and so
1:03:44when the temple was destroyed,
1:03:46[clears throat] those archives, those
1:03:48those genealogies were also destroyed.
1:03:50In other words, there there's no way any
1:03:52Jew today can establish that he's from
1:03:55David's line. The only tribe that kept
1:03:58their records to a certain degree are
1:04:00the Levites, right? The priests. And
1:04:02that's why they have, you know, in in
1:04:04so-called Israel today, they have a
1:04:05group of young men that that are ready
1:04:07to become the new priests at the third
1:04:09temple. But there's no way for a a
1:04:12Jewish man to establish that he's from
1:04:14David. I don't know how my monities
1:04:16actually deals with that. uh maybe you
1:04:18just have to sort of trust this person
1:04:20based on other things that he'll do that
1:04:23he's from David's line but it but it's
1:04:25just very strange there's no way for a
1:04:27Jew today to to actually to prove that
1:04:30but the most important thing for
1:04:31Ammonades is the building of the third
1:04:33temple right so there was a there was a
1:04:35Jewish leader
1:04:37named Simon Barokba in the middle of the
1:04:39second century uh who was endorsed as
1:04:42the messiah
1:04:43>> um this is after the second temple had
1:04:45been destroyed and he actually defeated
1:04:47the Roman Romans at Fort Antonia in
1:04:49Jerusalem actually seized control of
1:04:51Jerusalem was starting to bring back the
1:04:54priesthood was minting coins and had
1:04:57plans to rebuild the temple but then he
1:04:59was crushed by the emperor Hadrien uh
1:05:02and so uh they rejected him as the mess
1:05:04he was a good candidate for the messiah
1:05:06but eventually uh they didn't they
1:05:08didn't accept him uh to be the messiah
1:05:11so the third temple is is extremely
1:05:13important uh in in Orthodox Judaism and
1:05:16the Christians inherited that uh in the
1:05:18book of second Thessalonians which is
1:05:20written by pseudo Paul most historians
1:05:23don't believe Paul wrote second
1:05:24Thessalonians they think it's
1:05:25pseudonymous in other words someone
1:05:27claiming to be Paul in other words it's
1:05:30a forgery in Paul's name but okay let's
1:05:32just say Paul wrote it uh Paul says that
1:05:35the man of lawlessness will be will sit
1:05:37in the temple of God okay the man of
1:05:40lawlessness which is taken to mean the
1:05:42antichrist although it doesn't say
1:05:43antichrist uh in 2 Thessalonians it says
1:05:46the man of lawlessness which is taken by
1:05:48Christian exits and early church fathers
1:05:50to be the antichrist. It says he'll sit
1:05:52in the temple of God. But you know if
1:05:55Paul wrote that Paul was killed
1:05:56according to Christian tradition in 67
1:05:59of the common era the second temple was
1:06:02standing until 70 of the common era. So
1:06:05that's the second temple that Paul is
1:06:07talking about. The temple was still
1:06:08standing. It's amazing. You'll have
1:06:10Christians read that and say you see
1:06:12this is evidence of a third temple. But
1:06:13you believe Paul wrote this. If Paul
1:06:15wrote this, he's writing before
1:06:17>> the destruction of the second temple. I
1:06:19mean, maybe it's the third temple, but
1:06:21there's no reason to jump to a third
1:06:22temple when the second temple is is
1:06:24already standing. Yeah. So, that doesn't
1:06:27make a lot of sense there.
1:06:29>> Um, the only time the word antichrist is
1:06:31used in the New Testament is in the the
1:06:34first epistle of John. The first epistle
1:06:36of John is the only time, not even the
1:06:38book of Revelation uses antichrist. It
1:06:40says the theionon which means the beast,
1:06:42the beast of the sea, the beast of the
1:06:44earth which Christians take to mean the
1:06:46antichrist whose number is 666 etc. But
1:06:50in in first the first epistle of John is
1:06:53the only time we find the the word
1:06:54antichrist and it says something very
1:06:57interesting about the antichrist. So the
1:07:00uh the community that authored first
1:07:03John, the Johannan community, um they
1:07:06were [clears throat] dealing with
1:07:06different sort of Christian schismatics,
1:07:09Christians that they considered to be
1:07:11heretics and also Jews that didn't
1:07:13believe in Jesus. So there were
1:07:15Christians called the dose who actually
1:07:17believed that Jesus was uh God uh but he
1:07:20didn't actually have a a physical body.
1:07:24He was immaterial. He was like a
1:07:25fantasm, right? So there were Christians
1:07:27who believed that. So he didn't he
1:07:29didn't really die, right? And there of
1:07:31course there were Jews who rejected
1:07:32Jesus. So the the author of the first
1:07:34epistle of John, he says, "Whoever says
1:07:36that Jesus did not come in the flesh, he
1:07:39is an antichrist."
1:07:41>> Okay. So the dose are considered
1:07:43antichrist. Those who said that Jesus
1:07:45was sort of just like this ghost or a
1:07:47fantasm. And then he says, "Whoever
1:07:49doesn't believe that Jesus is the Christ
1:07:51is an antichrist."
1:07:53Which is very interesting.
1:07:54>> So if you don't if Yeah. If you don't
1:07:57believe Jesus is the Messiah, you are an
1:08:00antichrist according to the New
1:08:01Testament. That's the New Testament.
1:08:05>> Uh Dr. Ali, [cough and clears throat] um
1:08:07obviously you've very well verssed in
1:08:10the esquetology of Judaism, esquetology
1:08:13of Christianity and also esquetology of
1:08:15Islam. Now many people are saying we're
1:08:18like in endgame. It's like the end of
1:08:20days. The emergence of AI has lit
1:08:23literally like thrown us into the
1:08:24stratosphere when it comes to
1:08:25technology. So how close are we in your
1:08:30reading in your like speculation? How
1:08:33close are we to like the emergence of
1:08:35the antichrist
1:08:38>> and no one knows of course.
1:08:40>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean certainly
1:08:42>> one can argue that all of the minor
1:08:44signs are fulfilled. You know the the
1:08:47major signs are left. I mean the first
1:08:49major sign is the coming of the ultimate
1:08:52prophet the prophet sallallahu alaihi
1:08:53wasallam. That's the first that's the
1:08:55first major sign and he said
1:08:58and he put up his his two fingers like
1:09:00that. So it's I mean if you look at the
1:09:02whole spectrum of human civilization you
1:09:04know the last 1400 years is just a drop
1:09:06in the bucket uh
1:09:09um when you compare it to how long homo
1:09:10sapiens if you want to use that term
1:09:12have been on this earth whatever if it's
1:09:15100,000 or 200,000 now they're saying a
1:09:17million years. So it's it's it's always
1:09:19been close right the sah has always been
1:09:21close and really our our death is our
1:09:23sah
1:09:24>> right and that that's something that we
1:09:26should always you know rather than
1:09:28because you know the prophet sallallahu
1:09:29alaihi wasallam he said if the end of
1:09:30time should come upon you and you're
1:09:32planting a seed finish planting the seed
1:09:34even though you'll never see the fruits
1:09:35of that tree that's not the point we
1:09:37just have to do what we believe is right
1:09:40and our priority is always on the a but
1:09:44certainly when we look around the world
1:09:45it does seem like you know it seems like
1:09:47It's it's drawing very close. The whole
1:09:51idea of, you know, like I said, the last
1:09:53like just 10 years ago, talking about
1:09:55greater Israel is just taboo and you're
1:09:58crazy and you're anti-semitic and things
1:10:00like that. I mean, they still say you're
1:10:01anti anti-semitic if you talk about
1:10:03greater Israel. Uh but it's becoming
1:10:05much much more mainstream and then
1:10:07what's happening with uh you know these
1:10:09conflicts in that region and and so
1:10:12certainly something is drawing uh is
1:10:14drawing close. Um but you know Allah um
1:10:20you know may Allah help us you know it's
1:10:21it's
1:10:23the worst fitna the prophet sallallahu
1:10:25alaihi wasallam he said it's the worst
1:10:27fitna uh to come and so you know we
1:10:30really don't want to be you know around
1:10:33during that time uh because it's it's
1:10:36going to be a very very difficult time
1:10:38and yeah the rise of technology that's I
1:10:40mean dal the word dejal literally means
1:10:43the deceiver
1:10:44>> deceiver Yes.
1:10:45>> Yeah. He He's going to deceive. I mean,
1:10:47you know, he'll issue a command to the
1:10:49sky. It will rain. Issue a command to
1:10:50the crops. It will grow crops. He has an
1:10:52arm that reaches the bottom of the
1:10:54ocean, you know. Um he'll he'll cut a
1:10:57man in half and put him back together
1:10:59again. Uh you know, you know what is
1:11:02that about? Is it is it this type of
1:11:03sort of uh you know, deep fake or is it
1:11:06some sort of transhumanist, you know,
1:11:08technology or something like that? Is he
1:11:11asking the jin, you know, to take on the
1:11:13appearance of dead people, to fool
1:11:15people? Is it more sort of like or
1:11:17supernatural or is he using technology?
1:11:20Uh, I mean, even right now, I mean,
1:11:21there was a there was a um a open AI,
1:11:24they released this app called Sora, and
1:11:27somebody sent me a video and I thought
1:11:29it was real and it's just like
1:11:31>> we can't we don't even know it's real
1:11:32anymore. And so you know there's a
1:11:35beautiful dua of the prophet sallallahu
1:11:36alaihi wasallam you know what's really
1:11:38apt for our time you know
1:11:44right that show us the truth as truth
1:11:47and give us the ability to follow it and
1:11:50then show us the
1:11:53and show us the the falsehood as
1:11:55falsehood uh and give us the ability to
1:11:58to shun it. Um but when we we look
1:12:02around the world I mean yeah it's just
1:12:03incredible what you know like the
1:12:05prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam he
1:12:06said that um you know between the eyes
1:12:09of the antichrist is written kaf
1:12:12you know and uh every every believer
1:12:15will be able to read it um whether
1:12:18they're literate or illiterate and it's
1:12:20just amazing in the last 20 years
1:12:24a very popular type of tattoo has
1:12:26emerged where people get caffir Yeah.
1:12:29>> Yeah. One of the US ministers actually
1:12:32has a tattoo.
1:12:33>> The Department of War minister.
1:12:36>> Yeah. He has it on his arm. He has um
1:12:39Deos Vault, which was the cry of the um
1:12:42the battle cry of the crusaders. God
1:12:44wills it. God wills it for us to go and
1:12:47and kill these Muslims. And then Cather,
1:12:50it it's so strange. They even have like
1:12:52patches now on their uniform. Kafir. I
1:12:55was I was in my parents' city um a few
1:12:58years ago and I was behind a van and the
1:13:00van had a bumper sticker that said kafir
1:13:02mah
1:13:04armed cafir and it didn't even it didn't
1:13:07even translate it. It's just in Arabic.
1:13:10So, it's becoming, you know, like um
1:13:12>> I hate to use this example, but I guess
1:13:14it's a it's an okay example because
1:13:16we're talking about Kufur, but you know,
1:13:18like the golden arches of McDonald's,
1:13:20>> you know, you know, in McDonald's
1:13:22commercials, they don't even they don't
1:13:23even need to say McDonald's. They just
1:13:25flash the golden arches and you know
1:13:26exactly that it's a McDonald's
1:13:28commercial. So, it's now like you just
1:13:30see the word cathart and everyone knows
1:13:32what it means.
1:13:34>> It's just it's just incredible. And then
1:13:36the one eye symbolism is everywhere. M
1:13:40you know just if you Google celebrities
1:13:42one eye the iconography it's everywhere
1:13:47the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam
1:13:48he said I'm going to tell you something
1:13:49about the antichrist that no other
1:13:51prophet told his people he's oneeyed and
1:13:53there's different ways of looking at
1:13:54that he's literally one eyed because
1:13:57he's you know m like he's he's
1:14:00transfigur he's uh he's um uh deformed
1:14:05right so like one of his eyes is like
1:14:07it's wiped away it's deformed
1:14:09Right. Uh but having one eye being
1:14:12myopic like you know if you have one eye
1:14:14you can't tell how far away things are
1:14:16perception
1:14:17>> you lose your Yeah. So if you're a
1:14:19fighter and you know like if you're an
1:14:21MMA fighter and the referee sees that
1:14:22one of your eyes is closed. He has to
1:14:24stop the fight because you can't see the
1:14:26punches coming. So for the djal
1:14:28everything is here and now. There's
1:14:29nothing off. There's no a everything is
1:14:32here and every it's just hedenism right?
1:14:34So that's one interpretation but
1:14:35literally he has one eye. We have a
1:14:37description of him in our tradition.
1:14:39He's short. He's stocky. He's muscular.
1:14:42He has really thick j like curly hair,
1:14:45right? One of his eyes is is blind. The
1:14:48other one looks like a floating grape.
1:14:50Uh he's most likely from he comes from
1:14:53the east, right? Um we so we have we
1:14:57have his descriptions. Uh but it's just
1:15:00amazing that the one eye symbolism. Uh
1:15:02so
1:15:04you know the prophet the prophet
1:15:05sallallahu alaihi wasallam he gave us
1:15:06these things so that we don't lose hope
1:15:08because a lot of people they're going to
1:15:10become depressed they're going there's a
1:15:12lot of shouhat that's the other thing
1:15:13that a jal does he's an expert at
1:15:15raising shouhat according to the hadith
1:15:17a shupa is a pseudo verarity in other
1:15:20words he's an expert at causing
1:15:21confusion and giving you halftruths
1:15:24right um
1:15:27uh and so um we have to stay vigilant
1:15:30and so like in the hadith Jabrel, you
1:15:33know, Jirelam, he didn't stop at three
1:15:36questions. A lot of people think, oh, he
1:15:37asked him about Islam and iman. He asked
1:15:40him five questions, you know, tell me
1:15:43about the
1:15:46one big question knows no more than a
1:15:48questioner. Then tell me about its
1:15:49signs, its port tense. That's the fifth
1:15:51question. What's the point of those
1:15:53signs and port tense? So that Muslims at
1:15:54the end of time when they're seeing all
1:15:56of these and types of things, these very
1:15:59disturbing things, you know, a genocide
1:16:01happening uh under our noses and we
1:16:03can't do anything about it and people
1:16:05are justifying it, you know, things like
1:16:07we see all this and all this crazy
1:16:10technology
1:16:11>> epineph.
1:16:14Exactly. Exactly. That that we see. Oh,
1:16:18he told us about this. He told us about
1:16:20this. Yeah. The the Epstein thing. Yeah.
1:16:23Yeah, that's the other thing is like
1:16:24again if we talk about these things that
1:16:26there's like a Jewish cabal that
1:16:28believes that the right that the
1:16:30the Gentiles are here to serve them. I
1:16:32mean it's written in the Talmud. I mean
1:16:33not every rabbi takes this position but
1:16:35it is something that's part of their
1:16:37tradition and Judah Halevi says and as
1:16:39Kab it's called um Huzari the book of
1:16:42Huzari that Jews have two souls. They
1:16:45have a divine soul and a beastly soul
1:16:46but Gentiles only have a beastly soul
1:16:49and that they're a lesser kind of human
1:16:51being. It's not a qualitative
1:16:52difference. It's a difference in
1:16:53species. I mean, you find these writings
1:16:56uh and we and we find this in the
1:16:58Epstein files. I mean, right, the Quran
1:17:00says they're not all the same. They're
1:17:02not all the same.
1:17:06And from the people of Moses are those
1:17:08that guide to the truth and they're just
1:17:11But there are also
1:17:13they're also Jews who say,
1:17:16"We're not going to be held accountable
1:17:18for exploiting these. We can do whatever
1:17:20we want with them. They're our slaves
1:17:22and we can herd them up and rule over
1:17:24them. And
1:17:24>> you you find us
1:17:26>> sending Americans to die for their wars,
1:17:28to die for their goals. It's crazy.
1:17:31>> I I think just as a disclaimer, cuz I'm
1:17:33sure there'll be people that will come
1:17:34after us for this podcast, but like is
1:17:36anything that we said anti-semitic?
1:17:40>> And no, of course not. Anti-Semitic? I
1:17:42mean, Arabs are see, right? I
1:17:44[clears throat] I can't be an
1:17:45anti-Semitic. because because I love
1:17:48Israelite and Muslim pro I love
1:17:50Israelite and Ishelite prophets
1:17:53>> right it's it's it's part of our faith
1:17:55it's a it's a it's a requisite it's a
1:17:57foundation principle in our faith to
1:18:00love Musam
1:18:02>> to love Harunam to love
1:18:06to love is Ali we we pray upon the
1:18:09family of Ibraim we send blessings upon
1:18:12his family
1:18:14>> yeah and exactly and that's just not the
1:18:16Ishraelites. Those are the Israelites as
1:18:19well from his from from his progeny. Uh
1:18:23so uh you know this it's just a uh it's
1:18:26a thoughts stopper. It's a way to stifle
1:18:28discussion. It's an ad hominemum attack
1:18:30and it just it doesn't hold any water.
1:18:32You know there are there are Jews sat
1:18:35the satar hassidic community that are
1:18:38vehemently anti-ionist and they're Jews.
1:18:42>> Okay. Are they anti-semitic? you know,
1:18:44is Rabbi Joel Tidlebomb is he
1:18:47anti-Semitic? He has a huge community in
1:18:49New York that uh that um condemn Zionism
1:18:53uh and accuse Zionists of hijacking uh
1:18:57the religion of Judaism. Um is he
1:18:59anti-semitic? Are the Notoriarta, right?
1:19:02Uh another group of Orthodox Jews, are
1:19:05they anti-Semitic? Voice, Jewish voices
1:19:07for peace, are they anti-Semitic?
1:19:09>> It just it's just a label they want to
1:19:11throw out. uh that just you know um it's
1:19:15I think it's a desperation tactic is
1:19:17they can't engage with the argument so
1:19:19you're going to use an ad hominemum
1:19:20attack which is the the worst kind of
1:19:22argument.
1:19:23>> I have one last question for [laughter]
1:19:24myself and I'll leave it with Malik to
1:19:26close. Um, doctor, I've seen you before
1:19:29go through the Quran and like pick out
1:19:31references that would otherwise go over
1:19:33the top of Muslims heads, even Muslim
1:19:36scholars heads, just through your
1:19:38ability to point out is Iliat or like
1:19:41verses from the Bible or verses from the
1:19:43Torah. Um you mentioned once um the
1:19:46Queen of Sheba how she raised her um she
1:19:49exposed her shin and you said that was a
1:19:51reference to a biblical story that many
1:19:53Muslims may not be aware of or or if I'm
1:19:56correct I I wanted to ask you
1:20:00the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam
1:20:02he said this was the antidote this was
1:20:03the remedy this is your protection from
1:20:05the dal is there anything inah that the
1:20:08Muslim may not be aware of
1:20:12wellam this uh idea of
1:20:17protecting yourself against antichristic
1:20:20ideas. That's something that we have to
1:20:22think about. You know, the Quran says
1:20:25this is not this isn't but the lesson is
1:20:29is apt.
1:20:39You're going to hear a lot a lot from
1:20:43the people of the book, Jews and
1:20:44Christians, people of the Bible. Kab
1:20:47Bible means kab maybe we can translate
1:20:49kab here as Bible. The people of the
1:20:51Bible and those who associate with go
1:20:53with God a lot of harm a lot of
1:20:57disturbing depressing things but if you
1:21:00uh are patient soar patience
1:21:04perseverance self-control discipline
1:21:07that's all part of patience.
1:21:10And you protect yourself from tawa to
1:21:14protect yourself. How do you protect
1:21:16yourself from hearing all of this white
1:21:18noise coming from and from the mushik is
1:21:22that you just don't engage with things?
1:21:24So I always tell Muslims we have to
1:21:26limit our engagement uh with social
1:21:29media. You know doom scrolling going
1:21:31down YouTube rabbit holes unless they're
1:21:33good content obviously but you know
1:21:35>> religial one path.
1:21:37>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the but that's the
1:21:39thing is the algorithm it gets you. It
1:21:41throws something in. It's it's kind of
1:21:43titillating and people quote on it and
1:21:44they quote click on it and then they go
1:21:47down this this rabbit hole of shouhat
1:21:49and and they're just exposing their
1:21:51hearts to all of these all of these
1:21:53confusing things that that different
1:21:55types of people are raising about our
1:21:57tradition about the prophetam about the
1:21:58Quran and then they wonder why am I so
1:22:00anxious why am I depressed why can't I
1:22:02sleep why can't I wake up with fudger
1:22:04>> so to just to protect yourself to have
1:22:06that balance and so you have the youth
1:22:08that betook themselves to the cave a
1:22:11type of isolation
1:22:12right? a type of kalwa. Uh and that's
1:22:15something that we have to think about as
1:22:18you know as the time of the djal draws
1:22:21close we have to think about just
1:22:23protecting our hearts and maybe taking a
1:22:25more isolationist approach to things.
1:22:28>> Just Dr. Alask mentioned you know we
1:22:32we're trying to utilize as much as we
1:22:34can. So he has some questions. I've got
1:22:35one question that kind of uh uh I know
1:22:39you've done a talk on this beforehand
1:22:40and I know it could be a big answer but
1:22:42again in the capacity that you have. You
1:22:44just mentioned recently um you were just
1:22:46saying that we won't be the adherence
1:22:48would be saying we will not be accounted
1:22:51for our actions. So I want that led me
1:22:53to a question in Judaism and I know this
1:22:56could vary. What is the concept of the
1:22:58afterlife? Do they believe in heaven or
1:23:01hell? because I recall you having a
1:23:03conversation with one of your professors
1:23:05before perhaps you could mention that to
1:23:07us
1:23:08>> also your time we're conscious of your
1:23:10time
1:23:10>> that's the last question for us
1:23:11>> okay yeah that's inshallah I'll answer
1:23:14the question thank you so much um so
1:23:17this a very good question actually there
1:23:19is nothing in the entire Tanakh by
1:23:22Tanakh I mean the old testament
1:23:25Christians call it the old testament
1:23:28Jews call it the Tanakh Tanakh is an
1:23:29acronym for Torah nabbim ketubim those
1:23:3239 books that start at Genesis and go to
1:23:34Malachi, there's really nothing
1:23:37explicitly about an afterlife
1:23:40in the whole of the Tanakh. Okay? Not
1:23:42even in the Psalms really there's
1:23:44anything about an afterlife which is a
1:23:46bit strange. Uh so um there are many
1:23:49Jews who don't believe in an afterlife
1:23:51because there are many Jews who don't
1:23:53put a lot of stock in the Talmud because
1:23:55the afterlife talk actually comes in the
1:23:57Talmud. the Mishna and Gomorrah, right,
1:24:00which is more traditional orthodoxy. So,
1:24:03I would say probably the majority of
1:24:04Jews in the world today uh that are even
1:24:08religious Jews don't believe in an
1:24:10afterlife because the Orthodox community
1:24:11is only about 10%
1:24:14uh of the Jewish community, the
1:24:15religious Jewish community. We're
1:24:16talking traditional Orthodox and modern
1:24:18orthodoxy. Uh so many reformed and
1:24:21conservative Jews do not believe in an
1:24:22afterlife. I asked one of my teachers uh
1:24:24when I was an undergraduate uh he was a
1:24:26conservative rabbi and I said, "Do you
1:24:28believe in an afterlife?" And he said,
1:24:29"Me." He just went or something like
1:24:32that. Uh and so there's there's there's
1:24:35nothing really there. Um and so the the
1:24:39understanding of many Jews who do not
1:24:41believe in an afterlife is that
1:24:42everything happens in this world,
1:24:44>> right? Rewards and punishments are in
1:24:46this world. uh and so if you're doing
1:24:49well in this world and you're prosperous
1:24:50and uh you know you have wealth and you
1:24:53have influence and you have power then
1:24:54this is a sign that God loves you and
1:24:56God is blessing you. So they really
1:24:58don't have this idea okay maybe that's
1:25:00maybe that's a type of fitna and God is
1:25:02testing me with these things you know so
1:25:04that that becomes dangerous that becomes
1:25:05kind of a prosperity gospel type of
1:25:07understanding which is a lot of a lot of
1:25:08Christians they buy into this idea
1:25:10>> is that why it says in the Quran
1:25:14they wish to live for a thousand years
1:25:17>> yeah and and a lot of these AI guys
1:25:20these tech guys I mean they come from a
1:25:22Jewish background and they're and
1:25:23they're really involved in this
1:25:24transhumanism they're trying to get to a
1:25:27point where they and upload their
1:25:28consciousness into clouds and then
1:25:30download them into these robotic avatars
1:25:33so that they can basically become
1:25:35immortal. I mean Ray Kerszswwell uh who
1:25:38did a TED talk um you know he was asked
1:25:40do you believe in God and he said not
1:25:42yet uh you know so with their technology
1:25:45they're trying to play God um you know
1:25:48so
1:25:50but I will say this mymonities does
1:25:52consider it a pillar to believe in an
1:25:54afterlife. Okay. So, Mymones again
1:25:56[clears throat] who's considered uh one
1:25:59of the greatest if not the greatest
1:26:00theologian and philosopher. He says it
1:26:02is a a pillar of Jewish faith to believe
1:26:04in an afterlife. So, that's the
1:26:06traditional orthodox uh position. Uh but
1:26:09it's not clear because not all Jews
1:26:11believe in the Talmud. Uh and um there's
1:26:15a lot of different opinions about an
1:26:16afterlife, what actually happens in an
1:26:18afterlife. like my monities position. So
1:26:20even rabbis that do believe in an
1:26:22afterlife, they have they have a
1:26:23difference of a position as to what
1:26:24actually happens. Mymonities believes
1:26:26that those who lived unrighteous lives,
1:26:29they're never resurrected. They just
1:26:30stay dead and God takes them out of
1:26:32existence. It's called kadith in in in
1:26:34Hebrew, annihilation. And only and only
1:26:37righteous people are resurrected. Uh you
1:26:40know those who are Jewish and those who
1:26:42follow the Noah laws, right? The seven
1:26:44laws that were given to Noah. We would
1:26:45we would be considered Noah Noah heights
1:26:47by the way according so we would be
1:26:49resurrected but then we have different
1:26:50stations the in the afterlife right um
1:26:53Sadia Gayon another very influential
1:26:5610th century of the common era um rabbi
1:27:01uh his position is more similar to ours
1:27:04probably influenced by us know that
1:27:06everyone is resurrected and there's
1:27:08heaven which is eternal and there's hell
1:27:09which is eternal or um for everlasting I
1:27:12should say not necessarily eternal
1:27:14they're both everlasting Fasting
1:27:15>> Dr. Ali it's been a very profound
1:27:18profoundly interesting conversation I
1:27:20know as we're talking you know people
1:27:21are going through heightened anxieties
1:27:24but as you me as you just recalled from
1:27:26the pro if the hour should come keep
1:27:28planting that seed to plant that tree
1:27:30and I think that's a message we should
1:27:32all take uh you know to heart and
1:27:34especially in the times that we're
1:27:35living in Dr. Ali, thank you so much for
1:27:38the conversation. We've learned so much.
1:27:40And again, Camal and myself, we've been
1:27:42trying to been thinking to get on for so
1:27:43long. And we do apologize that it's
1:27:45taken us this long to get you on, but
1:27:47inshallah, this is not the last. And for
1:27:49those who are viewing this at home,
1:27:51please let us know if you like to see
1:27:52Dr. Ali uh more often on the channel,
1:27:54myself and Kamal, we're already
1:27:56committed to the next one. We'd love to
1:27:57see you again. Thank you so much.
1:28:00Absolute honor, Dr. Ali.
1:28:02>> Thank you so much. The honor is mine.
1:28:04Thank you so much.
1:28:04>> Thank you so much. and forgive us for
1:28:05asking so many questions, but you are
1:28:07like an encyclopedia to knowledge. It's
1:28:10it's it's amazing to have your company
1:28:12for you to just answer and unpack these
1:28:14very difficult questions. So, thank you
1:28:16so much. Thank you so much, brothers.
1:28:18We'll see you soon. Ramadan today.

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