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Inside Chelsea FC with Commercial Director Zarah Al-Kudcy | S1 EP 21 | We Are Chelsea Podcast — Transcript

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  1. 0:00we had said to them the ti will turn
  2. 0:01come January with Manu and it did and
  3. 0:04then Real Madrid and then Arsenal and we
  4. 0:06got there and I think that built a lot
  5. 0:08of trust along the way as well so you
  6. 0:10know I Haven bought a half and half
  7. 0:11scarf for the Barcelona game because you
  8. 0:13can never take that game away from us
  9. 0:18now hello and welcome to we are Chelsea
  10. 0:22the official podcast of Chelsea women
  11. 0:23brought to you in association with scod
  12. 0:26the official car partner of Chelsea
  13. 0:27women and proud supporters of women
  14. 0:30sport I'm kores and today we're delving
  15. 0:33into the business side of the club I'm
  16. 0:35joined by Zara Aly who is the commercial
  17. 0:39director at Chelsea women FC she's here
  18. 0:41to give us a fascinating insight into
  19. 0:44the work she does how she negotiates
  20. 0:46sponsorship deals for the players and
  21. 0:47the growth of the women's game welcome
  22. 0:50to we are Chelsea well hello Zara
  23. 0:53welcome to we are Chelsea thanks for
  24. 0:55speaking to me how are you I'm good
  25. 0:57thank you and you can see that we're in
  26. 0:59mid Euro with my top we can see that mid
  27. 1:03Euros yeah the guys are playing tonight
  28. 1:06nice to see that you're supporting them
  29. 1:09I wanted to ask you a little bit for
  30. 1:12those who don't know about your role at
  31. 1:15the club and what it entails CU we've
  32. 1:17had a lot of players and we have had
  33. 1:19someone from the commercial team but it
  34. 1:21was Karly tord so I feel like lots of
  35. 1:23people might know can you tell us Zara
  36. 1:26exactly what you do at the club and what
  37. 1:27your role is yeah you know I don't even
  38. 1:29feel like I warrant an episode on the
  39. 1:31podcast cuz kly so kly and I joke about
  40. 1:34when we go into pitches I always ask if
  41. 1:36I can introduce myself first because I
  42. 1:38can't back it up with when I played for
  43. 1:40England and I played for Chelsea by the
  44. 1:41way um so I joined the club to I mean
  45. 1:45it's pretty much does what it says in
  46. 1:46the Tim which is build the business out
  47. 1:48around the women's team so super
  48. 1:50successful on the pitch but the new
  49. 1:52owners you know the women's team's very
  50. 1:54much part of their um their plans and
  51. 1:56they made that very clear when I met
  52. 1:58with them the early last year year and
  53. 2:00they said come in build the business out
  54. 2:03um put some commercial growth in
  55. 2:04primarily around sponsorship and match
  56. 2:06day they're the two focuses and that is
  57. 2:08in General on women's football that's
  58. 2:10where the growth area is right now um
  59. 2:12and that's what we've been focusing on
  60. 2:14so that is why we're also here so this
  61. 2:16is such a great example of what my remit
  62. 2:19was was to identify ways that one we can
  63. 2:22um you know better showcase our player
  64. 2:25stories and I think podcasts are a great
  65. 2:27format to do that in because it gives
  66. 2:29them the to talk about themselves and
  67. 2:31you know I think you've done a fantastic
  68. 2:33job as the presenter in pulling that out
  69. 2:35from them um but then in return it's
  70. 2:37also given scoda a great partnership
  71. 2:40asset as well which they absolutely love
  72. 2:43I do think the podcast every time I
  73. 2:46speak to someone I'm so riveted by their
  74. 2:48stories that I feel like a broken record
  75. 2:50because I'm like I could talk to you all
  76. 2:51day but I genuinely could talk to them
  77. 2:54all day and they're such different
  78. 2:56personalities which makes it so
  79. 2:58interesting and even I know you said
  80. 3:00that you don't warrant an episode but
  81. 3:02even speaking to someone who isn't a
  82. 3:04player but
  83. 3:05works at the club Behind the Scenes it's
  84. 3:08so important because so many of us love
  85. 3:11football and we'd love to be players but
  86. 3:14if you can't be a player the nearest
  87. 3:16thing is working at a club or working
  88. 3:17within the industry or working within
  89. 3:19football so it's really nice to hear the
  90. 3:22different kind of jobs that you that you
  91. 3:25can
  92. 3:26do still within your passion right mhm
  93. 3:30yeah no I'd agree and I think the nicest
  94. 3:32thing also is when I hear the players
  95. 3:34talk to you it sounds like anyway that
  96. 3:36they genuinely are enjoying it as well
  97. 3:39um and I think that's because they you
  98. 3:41know it is a comfortable space to talk
  99. 3:43about yourself and and I also feel like
  100. 3:45you know they sound like they probably
  101. 3:46could have gone on for a little bit
  102. 3:48longer with you as well as you say that
  103. 3:50you could have talked to them all day
  104. 3:51some of them definitely sound like they
  105. 3:52could have talked to you all day as well
  106. 3:55well I hope so because I'm always like
  107. 3:57get back on the podcast I think I've had
  108. 3:59Erin on a couple of times and I'm always
  109. 4:00like Come Again Come
  110. 4:03Again what does a typical day look like
  111. 4:07for you when you come in at
  112. 4:08Chelsea um that's probably where you
  113. 4:11know the business side and the playing
  114. 4:12side is a little bit more different that
  115. 4:14in that there is no typical day um and I
  116. 4:17mean sort of I'll wake up do a workout
  117. 4:20bit of duelingo like Hannah I'm also
  118. 4:22learning Italian oh are you yes and I
  119. 4:26suspect she's probably already much
  120. 4:28better than I am um and then uh and then
  121. 4:31right now you know we're in the midst of
  122. 4:33tour planning so New York and DC looking
  123. 4:36ahead to
  124. 4:372425 planning you know whether it's sort
  125. 4:40of scheduling for a match day ticket
  126. 4:42pricing um experiences then I guess the
  127. 4:45only consistent piece is probably
  128. 4:47sponsorship so we will always be looking
  129. 4:50at our partner portfolio um servicing
  130. 4:53our current Partners finding ways for
  131. 4:55them maybe to do more as was the case
  132. 4:57with scod in this podcast um so that's
  133. 4:59probably the consistent piece but that's
  134. 5:01why I mean I've worked in sport for 20
  135. 5:03years that's what I love about sport is
  136. 5:04that no day is ever even in your diary
  137. 5:07you can see what you've got and
  138. 5:08something will just happen throughout
  139. 5:09the day a complete U-turn but it's a
  140. 5:12real privilege to be able to work in
  141. 5:13something that's a passion and I love
  142. 5:16that you said that no day is the same
  143. 5:17because I think sometimes people assume
  144. 5:20an an office job is syy because we
  145. 5:23assume that office jobs are the typical
  146. 5:26office jobs but it's great cuz when
  147. 5:27you're at a club it's exactly what you
  148. 5:29say it's completely different today
  149. 5:31you're recording a podcast tomorrow
  150. 5:32you're pitching an idea next week you're
  151. 5:34at a game maybe entertaining commercial
  152. 5:36Partners like it's it can be so verified
  153. 5:39so anyone who would like to work at a
  154. 5:42football club maybe this is a way for
  155. 5:46them how many people are in your team
  156. 5:49and how much I guess investment is there
  157. 5:52in the Staffing around women's football
  158. 5:55currently because I imagine that's gone
  159. 5:58up quite a lot so I have three people
  160. 6:01directly you've mentioned one being
  161. 6:03Carly um but there is dedicated resource
  162. 6:06across the business where there's a sort
  163. 6:08of dotted line for once of a better
  164. 6:10description um across marketing coms
  165. 6:13content and we will have weekly meetings
  166. 6:16collectively specifically on you know
  167. 6:18during the season it tends to be more
  168. 6:20focused on Match day um and out of
  169. 6:23season we're now obviously in tour but
  170. 6:25there is definitely an increase in
  171. 6:27resource across departments and I think
  172. 6:29in light of the news that you know the
  173. 6:31fans may have read a few weeks ago that
  174. 6:33this s of again as a club structure
  175. 6:35we're making sure that the women's team
  176. 6:36sits alongside and equal to our men's
  177. 6:38team when it comes to financial
  178. 6:40reporting the business structure and
  179. 6:43with that that will come with an
  180. 6:44increase in resource and dedicated
  181. 6:46support to the women's team so they are
  182. 6:48very much their own business and and you
  183. 6:51you know you said it yourself that it's
  184. 6:53reflecting the growth in general at
  185. 6:54Women's Football I sort of I just came
  186. 6:57back from can lion which is a big
  187. 6:59advertising conference um it sounds like
  188. 7:01sounds terrible doesn't it I was in the
  189. 7:03south of France for a few days um and
  190. 7:05there's a really nice sort of parallel
  191. 7:06story in that when I first went there
  192. 7:08five years ago for the job that I was in
  193. 7:11at the time um the Women's World Cup was
  194. 7:13also on and sports panel so for anyone
  195. 7:16that's not done can line it's
  196. 7:17essentially a massive conference on the
  197. 7:19beach so there's loads of different
  198. 7:21places like Google will have something
  199. 7:23you know Yahoo um ad agencies Brands so
  200. 7:27everyone goes there and it tends to be
  201. 7:29about um advertising and media um and 5
  202. 7:33years ago sport wasn't really on the
  203. 7:35agenda someone arranged for some of us
  204. 7:36to go and watch England Japan at um in
  205. 7:39Ni it happens that Karie was actually in
  206. 7:41that Squad I don't think she played in
  207. 7:42that game but she was in the squad um
  208. 7:45and you know it was half full Stadium we
  209. 7:48sort of had to be shipped out to go and
  210. 7:49watch it and I think five years on and
  211. 7:52sport was very much at the heart of can
  212. 7:54lion this year so there was a lot of
  213. 7:56dedicated space there was a women's
  214. 7:58sports house um where they every single
  215. 8:01session for four days was dedicated to
  216. 8:03the conversation around women's sport
  217. 8:05you know you had Mary hers Gemma boner
  218. 8:07Alesia Russo all on panels and there was
  219. 8:10a great moment where I could see Samy
  220. 8:11hippia so you know Liverpool Legends
  221. 8:14trying queuing to get into sports beach
  222. 8:17house where Gemma boner was sat in the
  223. 8:19VIP area because she was actually about
  224. 8:21to go on stage so um it was a really
  225. 8:23good indication of where how far women's
  226. 8:25football's come in that cycle yeah and
  227. 8:28another great benefit to your job
  228. 8:30getting to go to N I promise it is hard
  229. 8:34work it is hard
  230. 8:36work um let's talk about the impact of
  231. 8:39what you've achieved this season because
  232. 8:4339,380
  233. 8:50how big was that and how proud was you
  234. 8:54and your team of that number um you know
  235. 8:57I think proud gets overused which is why
  236. 8:59I try not to use it too much but in that
  237. 9:01instance I was massively proud um
  238. 9:04because it had been a really long
  239. 9:06journey um you know for the fans the
  240. 9:08players and I think particularly for the
  241. 9:09team here um at Stanford bridge on the
  242. 9:12business side Arsenal are ahead of us
  243. 9:15you know they did a great job after
  244. 9:16Euro's 2022 they had their first
  245. 9:19Emirates match then and they' built a
  246. 9:20massive database and they've built in
  247. 9:22that year on year but there always seems
  248. 9:24to be this narrative in women's sport
  249. 9:26that there's only room for one to
  250. 9:28succeed and I I think sort of this
  251. 9:30narrative also carried on throughout the
  252. 9:31season you know partly some fan
  253. 9:34narrative some media narrative around
  254. 9:36the fact that you know continually
  255. 9:38comparing us to Arsenal um and we knew
  256. 9:41that we were behind but it can be it's a
  257. 9:43really visual way sort of to be held to
  258. 9:45account um so I was really pleased for
  259. 9:48as I say the fans the players and the
  260. 9:50team here that they got that moment not
  261. 9:52just the Barcelona game I actually think
  262. 9:54the Arsenal game at Stanford Bridge was
  263. 9:56the big turning point for us um the
  264. 9:58atmosphere that was you mentioned
  265. 10:00earlier like that atmosphere that night
  266. 10:02is probably the closest I will ever ever
  267. 10:05get to feeling what it feels like to be
  268. 10:07a player on the pitch at Stanford Bridge
  269. 10:10because you know you feel like you've
  270. 10:11actually you're part of why it feels
  271. 10:13like that um and so I kind of that that
  272. 10:17was a huge thing for us and right quite
  273. 10:19early on you know Emma actually said to
  274. 10:21me that we should be honest and go and
  275. 10:23tell the players what the plans are
  276. 10:24because we came from you know our
  277. 10:27opening game against uh Spurs back in
  278. 10:30October I felt sick coming to Stanford
  279. 10:33Bridge like I did not want to come to
  280. 10:34the game because I knew that we only had
  281. 10:3619,000 fans um or tickets sold and um it
  282. 10:41was a really challenging day in the fact
  283. 10:43that it was the first time we and
  284. 10:45arsenal were at home in our main stadium
  285. 10:47um Arsenal got the lunchtime kickoff and
  286. 10:49so we'd had a lot of feedback from
  287. 10:50families saying they'll go and watch
  288. 10:52Arsenal and then they'll go home watch
  289. 10:53us on TV so we got a great TV audience
  290. 10:56but then we got picked apart with our
  291. 10:58Stadium on that day um and we then knew
  292. 11:01that we had Liverpool where we had a
  293. 11:03slightly lower attendance we have to
  294. 11:05play our Champions League group games at
  295. 11:07Stanford bridge for regulation purposes
  296. 11:10but we know that we would only get to
  297. 11:11about three or 4 thousand at the moment
  298. 11:13on the Champions League side of stuff
  299. 11:15which that's a great atmosphere at Kings
  300. 11:17Meadow that's close to a sellout um but
  301. 11:19putting three or 4 thousand people in
  302. 11:21Stanford bridge is it's heartbreaking um
  303. 11:25and Emma just said go and talk the team
  304. 11:27through the plans and explain to them
  305. 11:29um which we did quite possibly one of
  306. 11:32the hardest meetings I've ever had to go
  307. 11:34and be part of yeah how did they react
  308. 11:37uh I mean actually a number of them just
  309. 11:39said they really appreciated the honesty
  310. 11:41because I think sometimes we you know we
  311. 11:43can all be guilty of not wanting to to
  312. 11:45give honest feedback and we try and
  313. 11:48dress it up with something else yes um
  314. 11:50and then actually it's sort of you're
  315. 11:52not managing people's expectations but
  316. 11:54we had said them the Tye will turn come
  317. 11:56January with Manu and it did um and then
  318. 11:59Real Madrid and then Arsenal um and and
  319. 12:02we got there and I think that built a
  320. 12:03lot of trust along the way as well so
  321. 12:06you know there were a lot of factors in
  322. 12:07all of it but I think that Arsenal and
  323. 12:10the barcel game are just you know I hav
  324. 12:12bought a half and half scarf for the
  325. 12:13Barcelona game because you can never
  326. 12:15take that game away from us now yeah I
  327. 12:18mean it's really good that that I guess
  328. 12:20Emma said keep it transparent and
  329. 12:22explain it to the players because there
  330. 12:24is a real partnership that needs to
  331. 12:27happen because commercially you can only
  332. 12:29succeed if they're on board and they
  333. 12:31need to be on board if they trust what
  334. 12:33you're doing commercially so I can
  335. 12:36totally see why they would appreciate
  336. 12:39that and how that would help I guess my
  337. 12:41next question would be what kind of work
  338. 12:44behind the scenes helps you reach that
  339. 12:47goal and what kind of audiences are you
  340. 12:49trying to attract because there are so
  341. 12:51many within the game there's the
  342. 12:52hardcore Chelsea fans there's the
  343. 12:54Lioness fans there's just the general
  344. 12:57football fan the London event go
  345. 13:00so um there's a couple things one is
  346. 13:02actually understanding the fan
  347. 13:04demographics you know you're 100% right
  348. 13:06that's what we need to do and and that's
  349. 13:08where um yeah we're all still learning
  350. 13:10on that front because actually there's a
  351. 13:11lot of new fans coming into women's
  352. 13:13football so no one knows who they are um
  353. 13:16and the league have actually just done
  354. 13:17some fan demographic work which they've
  355. 13:19taken um our CMO CLA Cronin through and
  356. 13:22our marketing team and made it a lot
  357. 13:24more simple that it's effectively three
  358. 13:26groups you've got your core fan and they
  359. 13:29tend to be predominantly female fans and
  360. 13:31super passionate about the game you know
  361. 13:33from a Chelsea point of view they've
  362. 13:34probably been with us since we're at
  363. 13:35stains um and they're definitely Kings
  364. 13:37Meadow people and and they they play a
  365. 13:40huge influence on not only bringing new
  366. 13:42fans in but also when they come they
  367. 13:44sort of that experience and environment
  368. 13:46piece then you have the free fan and
  369. 13:49that is probably the biggest growth area
  370. 13:50they're the new fans that kind of didn't
  371. 13:52really feel like the men's game served
  372. 13:54anything for them historically or they
  373. 13:56may have played when they were younger
  374. 13:57and then there wasn't a women product
  375. 13:59for them to follow and they've come in
  376. 14:01mainly through the euros and the World
  377. 14:03Cup or or through the lesses essentially
  378. 14:06and UEFA you know they talk a lot about
  379. 14:08the fact they had some data that said
  380. 14:0930% of new fans to women's football are
  381. 14:13new fans to football um period um and
  382. 14:16then you have the secondary fans who are
  383. 14:18the men's you know the men's football
  384. 14:19fans and that's that that will always be
  385. 14:21their priority and we sort of started to
  386. 14:23see it because we've had more games now
  387. 14:25we can look at that data so you know
  388. 14:27only five six% of our ticket purchases
  389. 14:30for the nine games we held at Stanford
  390. 14:32bridge last year were men's season
  391. 14:34ticket holders so we sort of have to
  392. 14:36start to dispel some of the you know
  393. 14:38myths around just get the men's fans in
  394. 14:40they you know they'll want to come and
  395. 14:42it's like actually we're different
  396. 14:43products um yeah you know I think it's
  397. 14:45the more we the more we get people
  398. 14:46coming the more we understand that um
  399. 14:48and then I think I would also add just
  400. 14:49to build on your point around the
  401. 14:51players that's where Carly's role has
  402. 14:53been really important um you know when I
  403. 14:56Emma introduced me to Kari last year and
  404. 14:58she didn't want to do coaching and said
  405. 15:00that she wanted to do marketing or
  406. 15:02commercial she wasn't really sure so I
  407. 15:04said well come in let's do a bit of test
  408. 15:06and learning um I think you'd be great
  409. 15:08in commercial because um she is one of
  410. 15:11the most naturally gifted salespeople
  411. 15:13I've ever met and that's just she is I
  412. 15:16remember being on the podcast with her
  413. 15:17and I was like I will buy anything
  414. 15:18you're selling she is because she but
  415. 15:21she believes in it like there's no
  416. 15:22better thing for a salesperson she
  417. 15:24doesn't know she's selling half the time
  418. 15:27because she's just you know she just
  419. 15:28loves it and she can talk from the heart
  420. 15:30because she's only just retired she's
  421. 15:32still so well connected to the game and
  422. 15:34and to this squad in particular um and
  423. 15:37so she's been great because she actually
  424. 15:40holds us as a business to account on
  425. 15:42behalf of the players again without
  426. 15:44realizing that she's doing it but you
  427. 15:45know I also just love the sort of her
  428. 15:47business naivity because we'll sit in
  429. 15:49meetings and she'll say to me like why
  430. 15:51do we do that and I think I don't know
  431. 15:53actually it's just how we've always done
  432. 15:54it um and so it's just been great having
  433. 15:57her player vision in the room and I
  434. 16:00think you know we've got a lot of fans
  435. 16:02of the club in the club and so making
  436. 16:04sure the fans are at the heart of our
  437. 16:05decision making often comes as second
  438. 16:08nature but making sure the players are
  439. 16:10also at the heart of what we do is very
  440. 16:12much where Cari comes in you know with a
  441. 16:15very unique skill set yeah she was she
  442. 16:17was using I think it was neif as an
  443. 16:19example with scod and she sort of said
  444. 16:22it just was so natural because she
  445. 16:23genuinely loves scoda her whole family
  446. 16:26do and I guess that's where Maybe um
  447. 16:29Kari knowing the girls knowing these
  448. 16:31things knowing genuinely that her dad
  449. 16:34has a scoda cuz if you work with the
  450. 16:36players and you see their car every day
  451. 16:38you might see that she drives one you
  452. 16:39might not know that her dad her mom her
  453. 16:42sister and everyone else has one um so
  454. 16:45it's good that she just is walking
  455. 16:47Encyclopedia of the of the team and I I
  456. 16:51also want to know is that the Target now
  457. 16:54for next season selling out Stanford
  458. 16:56bridge on a regular basis from a
  459. 16:58commercial perspective um I think from a
  460. 17:01commercial and a fan perspective you
  461. 17:03know we had four League games and five
  462. 17:06Champions League games this year um I
  463. 17:09think we will probably land on something
  464. 17:11very similar well I'm presuming we make
  465. 17:13quarterfinals and semi-finals again but
  466. 17:15you know we will probably have something
  467. 17:16very similar in terms of the league and
  468. 17:19group games and I think there you know
  469. 17:21there's a real danger because obviously
  470. 17:23arsenal we come back to the comparison
  471. 17:24Point um set the Benchmark of announcing
  472. 17:27eight League games and three champions
  473. 17:29league if they qualify um and so the the
  474. 17:33question automatically came to us is
  475. 17:34well will we do more League games and um
  476. 17:37and we said no actually we'd rather
  477. 17:39maintain what we've had this year but
  478. 17:41make sure that the audience and
  479. 17:42attendance keeps increasing because to
  480. 17:45have three or four sellouts um or as
  481. 17:48close to sellouts as you can get with
  482. 17:50the WSL games is so much more impactful
  483. 17:52from a fan and a player atmosphere and
  484. 17:55environment um and just a perception
  485. 17:57point of view when you come and see sold
  486. 17:59out St Ridge versus going yeah let's
  487. 18:01keep up with them and let's say we're
  488. 18:02going to do six and then we''ll be
  489. 18:04having that conversation again with the
  490. 18:05players of well we you know we had
  491. 18:07Ambitions and we pushed um beyond what
  492. 18:10we did before so you know I think we're
  493. 18:12really confident having seen how the
  494. 18:14season ended with the Barcelona game the
  495. 18:16lessons that we've learned the more data
  496. 18:17that we've got um the team structure
  497. 18:20that's now in place there a a really
  498. 18:21great team you know cla's marketing team
  499. 18:24is of filled in all the right roles um
  500. 18:27to make sure that that you've got that
  501. 18:28source and I have to say the team
  502. 18:31themselves there some of the best people
  503. 18:33I've worked with because they absolutely
  504. 18:34love it but they also learn from outside
  505. 18:36you know they'll go and look at what the
  506. 18:37WNBA is doing or um the Barcelona
  507. 18:40women's team are doing so that they kind
  508. 18:42of they're open to seeing what everyone
  509. 18:44else is doing as well this podcast is
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  525. 19:23we talked a little bit about um not
  526. 19:25comparing to Arsenal um which I just did
  527. 19:28yeah but you said you know you don't
  528. 19:30want to compare to them so you don't
  529. 19:31want to do more matches at Stanford
  530. 19:33bridge but is the long-term goal to
  531. 19:36eventually move out of King's Meadow
  532. 19:38fulltime and be at Stanford bridge is
  533. 19:41that what you guys are maybe thinking in
  534. 19:43in 5 years
  535. 19:45time I um if I take a step back I think
  536. 19:50as women's football fans all of us we
  537. 19:52would love to see main stadiums being
  538. 19:54sold out across the league for majority
  539. 19:56of games um and if that is where the
  540. 19:58growth goes then ultimately the fans
  541. 20:01will dictate it if if the um attendance
  542. 20:04keeps growing to the point that actually
  543. 20:06it makes sense for us to have more and
  544. 20:07more games in Stanford bridge then
  545. 20:10that's what we will do but I I don't
  546. 20:12think you know I I don't think we should
  547. 20:15or I wouldn't want to say at this point
  548. 20:16yes in 10 years time the aim is to play
  549. 20:18every single game at Stanford Bridge of
  550. 20:20course it is but we also have to be
  551. 20:22dictated by actually what's happening
  552. 20:24season on season so um it's also
  553. 20:26Bittersweet isn't it because as much as
  554. 20:28in my head I'm like oh it's brilliant
  555. 20:30when you go and watch Stanford Bridge
  556. 20:32there is something so special about
  557. 20:34King's meow you I've got so much fomo
  558. 20:36listening to all your episodes of
  559. 20:37everyone talking about that Bristol game
  560. 20:39because I was on holiday and I couldn't
  561. 20:41come and every single player you've
  562. 20:42spoken to so far has said how amazing
  563. 20:44the atmosphere was at that game and you
  564. 20:46know and I I I agree I think Kings
  565. 20:48Meadow is such a great and whenever I've
  566. 20:50taken people down there to watch it and
  567. 20:52they tend to be men's football fans
  568. 20:54honestly they come about raving about it
  569. 20:56they're like to be this close to this
  570. 20:58quality of football yeah um and be
  571. 21:01amongst it they just you know they're
  572. 21:03like it's really unique so that that's
  573. 21:05where I mean that's where I think it can
  574. 21:06be dangerous to make a big bold
  575. 21:07statement of yes by 2030 because that
  576. 21:10seems to be the Year everyone leans
  577. 21:12towards um you know we'll have
  578. 21:13everything out because that is also a
  579. 21:15special place for us because I do think
  580. 21:18there is lots of Bittersweet moments
  581. 21:20with the women's game because as it's
  582. 21:21growing it's fantastic and we all want
  583. 21:23it to grow but at the same time you're
  584. 21:26losing I guess the proximity to the
  585. 21:28player is is one they don't have time
  586. 21:30now to be getting cold speaking to every
  587. 21:34single fan because there are so many of
  588. 21:37us now which is great CU that's what we
  589. 21:39want but equally we don't want them to
  590. 21:41get injured because the most important
  591. 21:42thing is we want them to be playing well
  592. 21:44and winning um they can't be signing as
  593. 21:46many autographs so it there's always
  594. 21:49these kind of Bittersweet moments so I
  595. 21:51totally understand I loved watching the
  596. 21:53games that I've watched at Stanford
  597. 21:55bridge and it was Electric but I did
  598. 21:59feel like a different kind of emotion
  599. 22:03when I was at Kings Meadow I guess more
  600. 22:05um not nostalgic because you're still
  601. 22:08there but it felt just more like a
  602. 22:11home-cooked meal if that makes sense do
  603. 22:13you know what I mean it just like no I
  604. 22:15know what you mean I think it's just I
  605. 22:17think we'll get to the point that
  606. 22:19there'll be different payoffs um so if I
  607. 22:22look at our two so as an example this
  608. 22:24year we had 300 fans go to the man city
  609. 22:27game for our opening our first away game
  610. 22:29of the season and 300 is a doable number
  611. 22:32that in theory the whole Squad probably
  612. 22:34could have got around to every single
  613. 22:35person in the away end and sign
  614. 22:36something if if that was um you know if
  615. 22:39that was what was needed and then we had
  616. 22:413,000 fans at Old Trafford for the last
  617. 22:43game of the season now there's no way
  618. 22:45the squad can get around 3,000 players
  619. 22:48but you think about what that felt like
  620. 22:49as a fan to be part of a group of 3,000
  621. 22:53people um and be part of that moment
  622. 22:55it's a very different so yes they may
  623. 22:57not have that oneon-one in that moment
  624. 22:59um but they had that I was there and I
  625. 23:02think there's a real piece about being
  626. 23:04part of a bigger Community as well so um
  627. 23:07I hear you and I think it's something
  628. 23:08that everyone's very conscious about
  629. 23:09it's think that even we've recognized
  630. 23:11you know that's actually where there's
  631. 23:12partner opportunities about how can some
  632. 23:14of our partners make some of their um
  633. 23:17assets like open training sessions or
  634. 23:19signed merch available to fans um so
  635. 23:22actually there is still that connection
  636. 23:24back and that must have been another
  637. 23:27proud moment I know you said you don't
  638. 23:29like to use the word proud but knowing
  639. 23:31300 and you're ending on 3,000 you're
  640. 23:34doing something right um yeah I mean I
  641. 23:37think it was and it was just it again
  642. 23:39it's just I think a really good
  643. 23:40indication of the growth um of the this
  644. 23:44the team um and the work that's been
  645. 23:46done particularly by the content and the
  646. 23:48marketing team you know I would I'd
  647. 23:50probably go as far to say this podcast
  648. 23:52has helped with that as well it's one of
  649. 23:53the reasons that we've done it um I said
  650. 23:56to I mean honestly the idea this came I
  651. 23:58said to
  652. 23:59if I could take um what you sort of what
  653. 24:02the Insight you show me of every single
  654. 24:04player and if I could take that to the
  655. 24:06masses we'd have something amazing
  656. 24:07because I'm like I just love the stories
  657. 24:09that you tell me about them um or even
  658. 24:11if you know I pop down to training and
  659. 24:13just be around it and so that's what
  660. 24:16this was meant to do and I think it's
  661. 24:18you know there's not one thing that
  662. 24:19drove the 3,000 people but it is
  663. 24:21probably the podcast the social media um
  664. 24:24coming to one of the games at Stanford
  665. 24:26Bridge maybe coming to King's Meadow
  666. 24:27it's all of bit builds up um and it was
  667. 24:30it was it was a phenomenal and and also
  668. 24:32just the way that season ended you know
  669. 24:34to have gone from that Liverpool game um
  670. 24:37yes and then to have turned it around
  671. 24:39the way that it went it was that was
  672. 24:41that was a really special way to end the
  673. 24:43season it was a real Chelsea Emma ending
  674. 24:48it was just when you thought oh oh gosh
  675. 24:51we've been given a Lifeline here okay
  676. 24:53how are we going to how are we going to
  677. 24:55handle this Lifeline because it what
  678. 24:56everyone was so it's gone it's it's
  679. 24:59ending on a low and it just ended on the
  680. 25:02most incredible high and it is you know
  681. 25:05when you're a Chelsea fan you always or
  682. 25:08any fan of any team you always want your
  683. 25:11team to win well in advance just because
  684. 25:12you're like safe we' won but when you
  685. 25:16know that they're going to in hindsight
  686. 25:18when you know that you can win on the
  687. 25:20last game of the season you just take
  688. 25:23that thrill any day because it was it's
  689. 25:25just amazing it's just the risk going
  690. 25:27into it you just feel the nerves are
  691. 25:29just at an all-time high but the girls
  692. 25:32were absolutely incredible so it was
  693. 25:34brilliant shame for me because I
  694. 25:37couldn't I couldn't actually get to
  695. 25:39speak to them until a few days later cuz
  696. 25:41I was like they're all going to be
  697. 25:42celebrating they're all going to be
  698. 25:43doing this no one's going to be wanting
  699. 25:44to one of my highlights actually from
  700. 25:46that game is we were traveling back on
  701. 25:48the Sunday and we happened to stop at
  702. 25:50the service station um with where there
  703. 25:53were some West Ham men's fans that were
  704. 25:55on their way up to Manchester to play
  705. 25:57their last game against City and um we
  706. 25:59were all waiting to get back on the bus
  707. 26:01and like they were proper you know
  708. 26:03proper West Ham fans the only way I can
  709. 26:05describe it it was 10:30 in the morning
  710. 26:06and they had bacon buy and a beer okay
  711. 26:09and um and I heard a group of them
  712. 26:12because I was I was sat next to them
  713. 26:13before we were boarding saying and all
  714. 26:15the players were sort just standing
  715. 26:16around as well and he looked over and he
  716. 26:17went oh that's Sam Kerr over there um
  717. 26:20and he goes she's got a rating of 96 on
  718. 26:22FIFA and then his mate goes yeah they
  719. 26:24won yesterday they just won the league
  720. 26:26um you know they won six nil and I just
  721. 26:29thought it's phenomenal that they've had
  722. 26:31that that yeah it was just a
  723. 26:32conversation piece and that for me
  724. 26:34that's a really good example of you know
  725. 26:36they they are I I'd put them in the
  726. 26:38women's football fans now because
  727. 26:39they're aware of it they may never come
  728. 26:41and watch but actually that's how
  729. 26:43women's football's growth is consuming
  730. 26:45the broader um football demographic and
  731. 26:48not just about people that just come and
  732. 26:50watch absolutely and also I think people
  733. 26:53will sometimes be flicking over and they
  734. 26:56catch a women's game and they won't
  735. 26:58naturally go oh it's women's football
  736. 27:00not men's they'll keep it on it's good
  737. 27:02quality football I know who some of
  738. 27:04these players are I know what they're
  739. 27:05doing and it grows from there the more
  740. 27:08you watch it the more you go oh this is
  741. 27:11brilliant I was about to swear them this
  742. 27:13is this is very
  743. 27:16brilliant tell us about some of the
  744. 27:18Partnerships that you've worked on this
  745. 27:20season we of course know about scod
  746. 27:22because they're the official car partner
  747. 27:23of this podcast um but what are some of
  748. 27:25the other Partnerships that you've been
  749. 27:26working on um so lindel our Swedish KAG
  750. 27:30I don't know if I'm going to say that
  751. 27:31right so you have to maybe check with
  752. 27:32cheer next time but um our Swedish
  753. 27:35yogurt and I I probably take actually
  754. 27:38before jumping in on each of them one of
  755. 27:40the things that K and I have talked
  756. 27:41about with any of our partners is making
  757. 27:42sure that there's a purpose to any of
  758. 27:45the partners that join Chelsea women so
  759. 27:47they have to either serve a purpose for
  760. 27:48the fan the player or the community and
  761. 27:51with lindel it was about supporting the
  762. 27:54fan Away Travel um and so they you know
  763. 27:56they've supplemented that throughout the
  764. 27:58season um Cornerstone are our e-learning
  765. 28:02employee platform so they actually help
  766. 28:04the whole business um because it extends
  767. 28:06actually Beyond just those that work on
  768. 28:07the women's team um in terms of their HR
  769. 28:10and their performance um scoda we've
  770. 28:13talked about I mean there are so many
  771. 28:14things I love about that partnership one
  772. 28:16needs love for it but also um this the
  773. 28:20fact that they provide cars for Academy
  774. 28:22players to be able to use to be able to
  775. 28:24access cbum to hopefully you know make
  776. 28:26that a little bit more accessible if
  777. 28:27needed
  778. 28:28um and then Lego you know right at the
  779. 28:30start of the season they did a great um
  780. 28:34day at down in cbum and with Sam C there
  781. 28:37bit of an irony to this actually because
  782. 28:38the whole thing was around resilience
  783. 28:41and build back ability so how you come
  784. 28:43back from something difficult that
  785. 28:45you've had to deal with okay um so it
  786. 28:47was just I think for all of them it's
  787. 28:49it's being able to see how they
  788. 28:50contribute yes money is important but
  789. 28:53actually they've all contributed in a
  790. 28:54broader way um of growing sort of our
  791. 28:57our women's team and how much interest
  792. 29:00has there been in the women's game from
  793. 29:02Brands and Commercial Partnerships at
  794. 29:05this moment in time and what sort of
  795. 29:06brands are looking to work with Chelsea
  796. 29:09ac across I guess the men's and the
  797. 29:11women's team but it's we always hear
  798. 29:13about the interest in men's team when
  799. 29:16they're doing really well and you know
  800. 29:18in general because of the TV numbers but
  801. 29:21how much growth have you seen in the
  802. 29:23interest for the women's game too oh
  803. 29:26honestly the interest is it's been huge
  804. 29:28um I think the the challenge actually
  805. 29:29allot the time is K and like getting
  806. 29:31through all of it while also doing um a
  807. 29:33broader job so it's you know it can come
  808. 29:36from anywhere I think lindle and scod
  809. 29:38are really good examples of Lyles don't
  810. 29:40do any other sponsorship um scod also
  811. 29:42work in cycling but and they're already
  812. 29:44doing a little bit more um I think this
  813. 29:46is their first football partnership in
  814. 29:48the UK um so there's a lot of brands
  815. 29:51that actually haven't done a lot of
  816. 29:52sponsorship that see women's football as
  817. 29:54something they want to get involved in
  818. 29:56um I think there's it it's more your
  819. 29:59your big blue chip brands um there's
  820. 30:01quite a lot in the financial sector so
  821. 30:03obviously Barkley's are the league
  822. 30:04partner um but in general in women's
  823. 30:07sport you'll see all sorts of Brands AMX
  824. 30:09Chase
  825. 30:11HSBC um you know revolute whoever that
  826. 30:14just looking at how they can tell a
  827. 30:16women's sports story so finance and tech
  828. 30:19seem to be quite heavy because there's a
  829. 30:20lot of parallel story to storytelling
  830. 30:23for both of them in their Industries
  831. 30:25because they tend to be male Le industry
  832. 30:28so they like having a um a very similar
  833. 30:32story to tell but honestly I mean you
  834. 30:33nameing a brand we've probably spoken to
  835. 30:35them at some point this year it's been a
  836. 30:36real eclectic mix um and it's been Lov
  837. 30:39to see but we've also been very clear
  838. 30:41that our team has a value um you know
  839. 30:43women's sport is not a freebie add-on
  840. 30:46anymore um and that I think is the big
  841. 30:49line that we've held um as to who gets
  842. 30:51to partner with us and also making sure
  843. 30:53and again that's where kly is such a
  844. 30:55great Cent check there'll be sometimes
  845. 30:57some Brands and I at her and she'd be
  846. 30:58like oh I don't know you might need to
  847. 31:00check with the girls about that one um
  848. 31:03okay so you know I think it's it's it's
  849. 31:05brands that want to do proper purpose
  850. 31:08partnership I mean I'm going to say I've
  851. 31:10said it earlier and I'm going to say it
  852. 31:12again I'm running out of time I could
  853. 31:13speak to you and I really don't want you
  854. 31:15to um end on a she kept me there all day
  855. 31:19so I'm going to try I've got so many
  856. 31:21questions left but I'm going to try and
  857. 31:23um Whittle through them as much as I can
  858. 31:26uh you guys won the Ws title it was
  859. 31:29amazing last day of the season from a
  860. 31:31staff and a fan point of view how
  861. 31:34incredible was that end of season within
  862. 31:38the
  863. 31:38club I mean it was just it was just huge
  864. 31:41I I think it's one of those in a way I
  865. 31:44mean this has been you know my first
  866. 31:46season here and I think the club has got
  867. 31:47used to winning trophies every year you
  868. 31:50know this was fifth league title back to
  869. 31:53back but the way that they won it this
  870. 31:55year um and then the added story line of
  871. 31:58Emma leaving I think really added to
  872. 32:00that moment um and I think that's also
  873. 32:02where whether it's my team or those
  874. 32:05working on the women's side in other
  875. 32:06departments have become real ambassadors
  876. 32:08within the club for the women's team as
  877. 32:10well so it's sort of it's just generally
  878. 32:13I don't know any different but for me it
  879. 32:14felt like think that everyone celebrated
  880. 32:16um and I just also love that we try new
  881. 32:19things you'll have seen the Champions
  882. 32:20t-shirts and the Caps that we had you
  883. 32:22know that's the first time that we've
  884. 32:24done something like that where we've
  885. 32:25actually rolled out specific merch to
  886. 32:28celebrate that moment um so again it's a
  887. 32:31really good example of just testing and
  888. 32:32learning how Stuff runs and I I think I
  889. 32:34was right in saying that it sort of the
  890. 32:36first run that came out within 24 hours
  891. 32:38actually sold out so they then had to
  892. 32:40get more stock um so it was yeah it was
  893. 32:43a huge buzz and if anything you know I'm
  894. 32:45just really delighted for Emma um she's
  895. 32:47a big reason why I came to the club um
  896. 32:49and I was really worried I said to Karly
  897. 32:51at one point I hope I don't I hope I'm
  898. 32:53not the Jinx that this is the first
  899. 32:54season that she doesn't win anything
  900. 32:56since I think it was 19 um and so I'm
  901. 32:59just delighted she also got that moment
  902. 33:01as well yeah yeah I think we all can
  903. 33:03agree on that she definitely deserved
  904. 33:06leaving on a high and I and talking
  905. 33:09about Emma how excited are you for next
  906. 33:11season can you give us any sneak
  907. 33:14previews into what we can expect to see
  908. 33:16from the club um the main thing I'm
  909. 33:20excited about is I just feel like
  910. 33:21there's a really solid foundation now um
  911. 33:24as I said we've learned a lot from this
  912. 33:26year we've learned from day we've
  913. 33:28learned from things that have worked
  914. 33:29really well like the DJ um at Stanford
  915. 33:31bridge and I think he'll make a regular
  916. 33:33appearance now there's been a lot
  917. 33:34learned and that's not going to just be
  918. 33:36sort of Forgotten for next season so I
  919. 33:39feel like we're in a much better
  920. 33:40foundational position then I think the
  921. 33:42announcement that the club has made
  922. 33:44around actually the prominence and the
  923. 33:46reporting side of the Women's Business
  924. 33:48and adding resource to it and you know
  925. 33:50making it even stronger is also super
  926. 33:53exciting to see how that will grow um
  927. 33:55and then you know there's a change in
  928. 33:57the leag itself so there'll be a new
  929. 33:59body running um the WSL used to be run
  930. 34:02by the fa there's now an new
  931. 34:04organization running it and I think
  932. 34:05collectively that would be really um
  933. 34:07positive for all the clubs involved in
  934. 34:09terms of how that's commercialized
  935. 34:11moving forward and working with the
  936. 34:13clubs on that piece so no specifics I
  937. 34:15just and on tour actually I probably
  938. 34:17should start with that I am super
  939. 34:18excited for tour um I think the fact
  940. 34:21that we're going to New York and DC you
  941. 34:23know it's WSL versus nwsl Champions um
  942. 34:27in New New Jersey and then we'll have a
  943. 34:29couple days in New York and I have to
  944. 34:31promise not to like reveal too much
  945. 34:32stuff but that will be great um and then
  946. 34:34playing Arsenal in DC I just I think
  947. 34:37it's such a great way for one to start
  948. 34:39the Sonia era um so to give her that
  949. 34:42moment um also to to build on what we've
  950. 34:45started to do this season I kind of
  951. 34:48again putting players and fans at the
  952. 34:50heart of it who doesn't want to go to
  953. 34:51New York um so making sure they both
  954. 34:54have great times as well and set us up
  955. 34:56for The Following season and so there's
  956. 34:58a couple of announcements coming out in
  957. 35:00the following few weeks which I think
  958. 35:01you'll see um back up the sort of the
  959. 35:04focus and strength to strength that the
  960. 35:05women's team is going in oh so exciting
  961. 35:09yes New York and Chelsea Arsenal game I
  962. 35:12mean it's just brilliant it's what every
  963. 35:15fan wants to go and see and you get to
  964. 35:17hang out in New York and exactly what
  965. 35:19you said about Sonia because I think
  966. 35:21that announcement we were all hoping but
  967. 35:24it's really difficult to replace Emma
  968. 35:26and it's just like she's part of the
  969. 35:28furniture she's done so much and then
  970. 35:30when they announced Sonia it was like
  971. 35:32okay I think I think personally I felt
  972. 35:34relieved cuz I thought it's so difficult
  973. 35:38to replace him and I don't think she'll
  974. 35:39ever be really replaced in that way but
  975. 35:42you want an a new era that will be just
  976. 35:45as great and they found Sonia and it's I
  977. 35:48was like yes yeah I think and I also
  978. 35:51think you know Paul Green is Mr a
  979. 35:53continuity so it's not like there's a
  980. 35:55totally new era starting you've got
  981. 35:57someone that's been there for the last
  982. 35:5812 years as well that's very much at the
  983. 36:01Forefront of the decision- making and
  984. 36:02and Paul's been Fab so I think there's a
  985. 36:05there's it's it's a good combination of
  986. 36:07you still have that continuity but you
  987. 36:09know Sonia sounds phenomenal um and you
  988. 36:13know new players hopefully as well a
  989. 36:16couple maybe um so I think it's yeah
  990. 36:19it's it's a fantastic time a Zara thank
  991. 36:22you so much for speaking to me I still
  992. 36:24had like about five or six questions I
  993. 36:26wanted to ask you but I know that you're
  994. 36:28a very busy woman so thank you so much
  995. 36:30for coming on the podcast hopefully
  996. 36:31you've enjoyed yourself and if I ask you
  997. 36:33to come on again next season maybe you
  998. 36:35will I'd love
  999. 36:38to thank you so
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